April 29, 2025 • 40 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, physicality finally shines in the NBA Playoffs. Derek Carr opens up about his shoulder injury in church for some reason. Why sports were better back in the day and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Tuesday edition, we're gonna catch up with
Pete Prisco, the red Ass himself, to talk about his draft,
Who won, who lost, et cetera, et cetera. Speaking of
red asses, Brandon Bean calls into a Buffalo radio show.
He's not happy about the criticism of their draft. We're
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gonna talk about the latest drama involving Bill Belichick. Yes,
you heard it, Bill Belichick and apparently the Boss is there.
Chapel Hill are not happy. We're gonna look back on
a classic NBA playoff game, and we say classic because
the basketball wasn't great, but the physicality was. We'll get
into that for you. Plus, we've got in case you
missed it, and we've also got Leed's leftovers. It's all yours.
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
My g Leavarrington?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh god? What is there a lighter in here? I
don't know somebody up in here?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Oh you missed it yesterday. There's a roll of toilet
paper sitting there for some reason. Yeah, just randomly.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So there.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, let's go far yeah, right, okay, or he's back.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hell yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But so I don know anything about it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'll just say this. I could watch the Warriors and
the Rockets play each other for the rest of the
playoffs and be.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Content a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's not even like that could have basketball, Like, neither
one of those teams has got a shot in hell
against OKAC. But it is borderline violence. I wouldn't say
that the first half. The Rockets are a really good team.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's Greatlee was freaking dealing. I'm saying, you said, they
don't have a chance against Okac, Like they're playing really well.
But if Jimmy Butler can get healthy, like he's still
you can tell he's tender. Yeah he didn't. He didn't
look himself last night so sore. So he's sure, Yeah,
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I mean he you know, he was in there. He
powered through. But if he can get healthy and play
at at his top level, they they can get through.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, see they can they.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I was actually shocked they were able to win last night.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I mean just because we've talked about this before, right, Yeah,
it's it's tough. It's tough for them to be able
to win without Jimmy Butler. I mean, he didn't play,
didn't play Game three. Houston's the better team. They have more,
they have more pieces, they have more parts. But but
they're not down. Yeah, they just don't know how to
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play against this. This the leadership and what what Steph
Curry brings and what what Draymond brings to the table
is It's just it's different.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You got to be able to handle that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There there has to be a level of of I
don't know, I don't know what it is. I don't
want to say level of maturity because I think that
you know, Van Vliet and those guys. I think there's enough,
there's enough guys that are old enough to understand it.
I just don't think that they're seasoned enough to be
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and and the record proves that they're like four and
oh against Houston and in playoff series. So it's it's
kind of historic. And now granted, these kids, these these
guys are too young to have been a part of
all of those, you know, those those times they lost.
But Houston has not had great success against the Warriors
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in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I just think that these guys are out classing them,
they're outwitting them because they're not they're not more athletic,
and they're not better like on paper, they're not better
than the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So you know, I mean, it's not the first time
that we've broken this game down, or this series down.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Rather as far as how it was going to go.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Let's take a listen, and all of a sudden, we've
got a series because Jimmy Butler's gotta get an MRI
because he's got a pelvit contusion.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
They're calling it. That's a rap. They don't got a series.
That's that. That was a quick turn. That that party.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
If you're a Golden State Warriors fan, that party died
out quick.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Geez.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
They can't do it without without Jimmy Buckets, man, I
can't do it. It was gonna be a good series
in terms of it would be competitive, but Golden State
I felt like would outclassed them, and having two scores
of the caliber of of Curry and Butler would be
too much for for a really really talented Rockets team.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But now, yeah, the tables turn.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
It's only one game, right, It's one one still, you know,
you never know. I mean this, This Golden State team
has rallied sometimes with Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Having help them and not, so I'm not counting them out.
It only takes one.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Steph Curry in Fuego shooting night that to get them
right back in this.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So I wasn't on.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Thirty six points in Game three, by the way, I
wasn't on air like since he since they like that game.
I hadn't been on air. But I didn't know jim
I thought Jimmy might be out due to that injury. Like,
I mean what I said the statement, The statement was correct, and.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
They I mean he missed Game three and they won.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
All I'm saying is it was going to be a
rap if Jimmy Butler did not come back in and play,
it was going to be a rap.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's why they won the game three.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So what So that's why they're up.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Three to one.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like I said, they barely won last night. Yeah with
Jimmy Butler, they barely won Game three. What Jimmy Butler,
he didn't Butler? I know they didn't blow them out. Yeah,
they took it, Yeah they did. What was the score?
I don't even remember game game three? I mean you
mean Game two?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Step Career dropped thirty six.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And I don't think they blewed him out. They haven't
blown him out once.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
One O four ninety three.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's a blowout. I guess it could be considered that. Yeah,
one eleven. I stand by it. I still stand by it,
trust me. Yeah, I still stand by that. ILL stand by.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Dylan Brooks is trying everything he possibly can Jimmy Butler
to swing on him.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
He's trying everything he can. He's trying to get He's
trying to get all of them. He's like a He's
like a poor man's version of Draymond.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I love him. I know people like to bury him
because they, well, you know, he's just out there. He's
not even playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
He's a one scoring Yeah, and at the beginning of
the game yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I mean he's out there at all their critical moments,
he's on the floor. He's he's trying as much as
he possibly can. He's limited on offense, but trying everything
he can do. Like he's a throwback player, Like this
is a throwback series, which is why it's that so entertaining.
And I was actually kind of surprised that the TNT
crew when they went to halftime was complaining about the
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style of basketball. It was right, because it like that
that's kind of their style of basketball. That's what they've
been calling for, especially when you watch that awful Calves
heat game and whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
The hell that that's a blowout. That was a blowout.
That's what I would call a blow that's total dumb.
I mean, they didn't even have to put Donovan Mitchell
back in. I don't even know why they put him
back in the game.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Miami almost lost my sixty.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I don't even know that they showed up to
the arena. Those are fill in.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
How does that happen? I'm like, how do you like
imagine having you know, clee imagine having Miami plus fifty
and being like, yeah, of course I'll take that bet
and still losing wild But there it is the you know,
the Cleveland Cavaliers are on their way to the next round.
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But last night the star of that of that game
was the start of the night in the NBA playoffs
was Rockets Warriors. And I'm really hoping the game it
goes seven so we can get as many games possible.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
But it feels like this is gonna be over quick.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Why can't we get this style of basketball for the
other eighty two in the regular season?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Too much, too much, too much basketball to be played.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
It didn't used to be.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It didn't use to me.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's and it's so funny we said this style of
basketball last night, like that's how the old NBA used
to be.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like people used to beat each other up.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was telling my son because he's so on this
Lebron train and I was telling him. I was like, dude,
I was like, I was like, I don't know what
type of career Steph Curry would have had or Lebron
would have had in that early those early days. It's
like Lebron has had longevity. He's I had a run
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for a really long time of being dominant. I said,
he doesn't get beat up on like these other guys.
So he asked me, He asked me the question. He
poses the question. He said, who do you think is better?
Since we're always talking about Lebron and Mike. He is like,
he's like, who you think is better? Jo Kic or Bird?
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And he's like looking at it like this is like
like a redundant question or like a rhetorical question. I
was like, dude, if I got to be honest, I'm
going with Bird. And it's not because I'm older than you.
It's not that I'm taking a shot at the younger
generation and what they're I said, skill wise, skill I said,
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it's not even close how much more skilled players are
these days because of how specialized the training is.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But you had to endure.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Like you had to endure a season back when those
guys played. Oh, if you want to look it up,
Jokic has three league MVPs. You know how many Bird
has three and did them all back to back to back.
He did it three times in a row. Jokicch took
a year off. You know, in terms of amounts of
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NBA first teams, Bird kills it. He's got two more
championships than Jokic.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And he was like, yeah, but you're talking about the team.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're talking about team.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I said, well, those accolades are connected to him as well.
And so for what it's worth, because I had the
conversation about the Paul Pierce, what Paul Pierce brought up,
if some way, somehow Steph Curry ends up, let's just say,
for the sake of said, Steph Curry ends up winning
the NBA World title this year, he will effectively be
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in pole position, perfect position to be considered the player
of this era. And how do you how do you
make sense of it? If he has more championships then
Lebron James and the Lebron James era of time, and
we're having the conversation about him being the goat, Well, he.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Already does have more titles than him, because Lebron's got
three and a half and Steph Curry's got four.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Well, uh, what I would actually actually.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Got a half ring and it's actually the it's tied together.
It's got n ninety five fabric on the back end
to tie it together.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I would already give him the benefit of the doubt,
though at least as far as like the most recent
only because of the impact he's had on the game,
like Steph Curry's impact. And it's one of the reasons
why Kaitlyn Clark I think has been so attractive for
so many you know, female basketball players, is just their
ability to do something that you know anyone can do.
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Lebron is such a specimen and an Adonis that no
one's gonna be born like that with with the physical
gift and athleticism to dunk, to fly through the air,
to play the way he's playing at forty. There's just
there's not many people who are built to be able
to do that. But everyone can relate to shooting a
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three shoot, you know, hitting a shot, you know, a
shot from the logo. And that's where I think there's
that attraction to how Steph Cray plays. I just I
go back to us talking about like the style of
basketball and enduring it to me, the strategy behind it,
because you saw Minnesota doing it with Lebron what two
nights ago now, and you see what Houston kind of does,
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or at least you know Dylan Brooks is trying to do.
And you can be as skilled as you want. I
think this is what like younger generations don't seem to understand,
is you can be as talented and skilled as you want.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
But once you get punched in the mouth, then it
changes the time.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, and that's the thing is and hear me out,
So this is going to go on a long, long
little trail here.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
No, kids don't fight anymore, like like when they grow up.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
It's not the same as what it used to be,
where you know, you wouldn't be able to just say
whatever you want on social media or say whatever you
want on the playground.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You get popped in the face.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Yea, And that actually was like a real life lesson
and you didn't get tumble, well.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Exactly most times most times you got you got away
with it. But it's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Was you didn't snitch right, like like you knew that.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Like if Johnny hits you, Johnny stare at you in class,
He's like, oh yeah, did I hit you in the face?
Did you fall and you're like, oh, I fell, but
like that, that's the that's the reality of what like
people grew up with in the older generations was there
are consequences for your actions and you had to be
responsible and accountable for those actions. And nowadays you look
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at you know, and just and this even applies to
the draft and the prank call all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
What just happened. This applies to a.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Lot of things, but it applies to I think the
game the way it's played, because now you look at
how they're trying to neutralize a lot of skill and
talent with getting in their heads playing that with that
sort of physicality, and some guys are like, what do
I do?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I don't like this. They look to the reps like
do something.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
It's like, no, man, this is this is what like
grade school one oh one. You got to figure out
a solution on your own, and you have to be tough.
You have to endure, as you guys said, and kind
of work through this. But that's one of the reasons
why I go back to saying, like, why can't we
get this in the other eighty two games during the
regular season. I wish we had a team that wanted
to embody with the Detroit Pistons used to be like
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I wish someone took that approach for eighty two games.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean, the new Pistons kind of tried like they
were in a bunch of skirmishes. They were in a
bunch of like them and the Rockets are probably the
most physical teams in the NBA as far as you
know to wanting to play that style of basketball. And
they're both really talented but still probably a couple of
years away from being legitimate contenders in either common But
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even looking at how their style of play has been
in the playoffs, that doesn't even like the old Pistons, Like.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Like you gotta understand, like the way they fouled was
just different. It's different than how guys get fouled anymore,
did you see? So when like that technical on Draymond,
like for his like hitting them in the hit with
his leg and stuff like that, Like some of these calls,
it's like they're so TICKI tech called like dudes were
literally I told my son, I said, could you imagine
(16:37):
Robert Parris turning around at seven foot and cold cocking
you in the face, like punching you in the face.
A cheme to dream seven footer, turn around, open hand, bitch,
slap you.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
The Draymond that felt like that was because it was
Draymond that that's why he got he got the.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Technical for it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Jimmy Butler when he chased down Dylan Brooks, I was
actually happy that they didn't call a tech on that
like that that was or they didn't call a flagrant
on that. Why would they exactly because Brooks threw himself
on the ground and they just looked at it and said,
let him play on. And then there was another time
where he shoved Dylan Brooks down when they were talking
to each other on the foul line and they just
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let it play.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I was like, okay for.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All the criticism that officials get and deservedly, so those
were a couple of moments where they're like, no, no, no,
it's the play.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I mean even the other night with an And and
lebron right, it's like he got up in his chest.
How many times are you ever going to see that?
Like you understand, MJ and them had to handle that.
Isaiah Thomas, you name it, Charles Barkley, they had to
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handle that. Even Kobe I said, now you gotta go.
You got damn too. So anyway, shouts out the cove.
I just think that when you think about it, And
I was telling him, I said, it's like that in
football too.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's like that. In football.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
The physicality of the game was being legislated out, like
towards the end of Tom Brady's career, being legislated out.
So when I look at guys now, I don't necessarily
measure and weigh them almost the same exact way I
would when you were especially quarterbacks, especially quarterbacks, And then
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I would throw receivers in there on a second, Like
there was a time I'll never forget the Super Bowl
where Ty Law was sitting Hall of Fame, which Ty
Hall of Fame. Ty Law was sitting Marvin Harrison down
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on the bench. He was jamming that man up so
serious on the ball that he was driving him all
the way to the bench and sat him down on
the bench.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And you know what the.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
League did, get these cast fave yards we can't had at.
We can't had at. Then you start now, then the
concussions epidemic hits. Now you gotta contend with that. It's
just it's not the same game. You had to survive
in a different time. In both the NBA and the NFL,
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it's not survival now.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's also the NHL because while we celebrate Ovechkin for
breaking the record, Gretzky's era completely different, Like he was
getting mugged, so him being able to do what he
did at that time, Like now it's everything's opened up,
you know, after the lockout or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
They you know, they got rid.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Of the two line pass and all that stuff, so
they opened up the offense. But yeah, it does feel
like it's different. Every sport has now realized we've got
to figure out a way to cater towards the offensive.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And scoring is the key. That's the bottom line. Scoring
is the key. And in some situations, well not some,
in most situations, the star is the star, and and
football that's that's that's the quarterback and somewhat the receiver,
and then basketball it's the face. Whatever the face of
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that team is, that guy is going to be protected.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
So you got to blame TV, then, a guess.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Ultimately there's two things, TV and fantasy because ultimately, rating
show people.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Don't like watching low scoring games. They just don't.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
There's examples of it I'm sure you can find in
big games because everyone's watching, but we kind of hell,
it can only blame ourselves to a degree if that's
the case. And the reason I'm saying again, people feel
like they don't they don't appreciate watching defensive sports. It
could be basketball, it could be hockey, it could be anything.
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So some people talk about, like, hey, why do you
like soccer? They don't score enough. That's one of the
biggest scripes. It's like, well, you can't appreciate like all
the opportunities that lead to that that one opportunity that scores,
or maybe it was just that one opportunity that you score,
you know, saying like it's it's partially TV's fault that
if that's how you're looking at it, because ratings have
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a direct correlation with scoring.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You know who else should be upset? Are these these athletes?
They should be upset because they run the risk of
never being like if you think about it, these athletes
are not as as defined and as legitimized as athletes
in the past. You don't have the type of like
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you had way more established brands in the NBA back
in the day. You had way more established brands in
terms of players in the NFL back in the day.
And you know why because in football you had to
be a warrior, whether you were a receiver. I could
give you four other receivers outside of Jerry Rice, Andre Reid,
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Tim Brown, who else?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Michael Irving, Art Monk Art monk.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, you had brands like you had established Webster Slaughter. Well,
come on, and he ain't even like a Parstelants, But
you don't remember the name because.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Bb dond baby off top Rady.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All I'm saying is you had to have brands because
they had to survive.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I respected a dude.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Getting hit and flipped and landing on his head and
getting back up and playing like nothing happened, by.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The way, and that was part of the highlight package.
Guy looked like he got paralyzed. Don bbe lamb his head.
They're like, hey, throw that in.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Just to bring this back to basketball for a second.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Do you kind of feel like Adam Silver just doesn't
seem like the type of guy that wants.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
That wants that heat.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
No, he's too I'm gonna look at your like he
probably doesn't want to physicality too much.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Complaining.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Man, you've already you've already. They should feel that way
all the time. Yeah, they should feel like it should
be a more physical game more like that.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
But he does look like forget about physicality.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
He's like, I gotta wash my handle, touch me.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What do you think is from them? From them? He
looked like from the Adams family.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Tell me I'm wrong. Just look at in conductions.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But that dude looks like he's from the Adams family.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
To Howie, Howie, what's his name, Howe.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, he looked like you know, I met him in
person and didn't know about his germaphoe ways. I went
to like shake his hand, he was like, oh, you
don't know, honey, like put his fist out. I was like,
at your fists, man, my face, damn give me one
a million dollar boxes.
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Buying should be Derek Carr interesting place to do this,
but he decided, you know what, I'm just gonna go
ahead and I'm gonna speak my mind. And so Derek
Carr was doing a guest sermon at Church LV in
(26:06):
Las Vegas, and he responded to some of the reports
about his shoulder issues.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Yes, I have a shoulder injury, despite what ESPN says.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And what some lady on the podcast might think. Okay,
I have.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
An MRI report to prove it. The team knows about it.
We've been in constant communication. There's nothing wrong. We're figuring
it out and we're going to go forward with that.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Is that, okay.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
And I've been dealing with this, and I've been dealing
with people lying about me, and I've been dealing with
them saying this and this and that, and I'm like, Lord,
why do I have to continue to deal with this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Ah, do so keep that's technical difficulty. That was definitely Jesus,
that's the problem was Hey, you try it? Hey, now
(27:06):
pod listen, want you to say anything on this? I
was about to question Derek Carr's comments, but now I'm
not sure. If I want to live, I might go
out to my truck and hurt. My truck might get
struck with lightning on the way home from work. Don't
you talk about I would like to say this all
(27:30):
respect to Derek Carr. He's he's and uh, you know,
he's all about faith and it's awesome and from everything
I've I've ever heard, great guy, heard nothing but nothing
different than that. I would like to say this count
me as one of the people who questions, uh, the
timing of the injury, and when the news came out,
(27:50):
I apologize, Lord, forgive me, please, but it just doesn't
make a whole hell of a lot of sense that
the injury happened last year and then all of a
sudden around this time in the same offseason that they
had all sorts of issues with him maybe wanting to
be traded, and then we got to redo his deal
(28:11):
and then we've got like all that stuff comes out,
and then all of a sudden, just miraculously in April,
his shoulder injury pops up and he may have to
miss the entire year. I'm sorry, it just seems a
little fishy, Am I wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I mean, things happen, okay, And listen, he was making
sure that he gave his public account in front of
Jesus Christ's Lord and Savior and the congregation that he
was delivering his testimony to. So on a more serious note, again,
everybody has their you know, their things they have to
(28:45):
get through, their challenges that they have to get through.
And the you know, I guess in the Christian world,
you say, unless you have a testimony, you don't really
have something to lean into, to feed from, to offer
other people. You know, if you've never had struggles. I
mean Jesus historically in the Bible had struggles like he
(29:07):
had to overcome being in the wilderness. You know, he
was hungry, he was tempted to eat all kinds of
different things, and and so listening to Derek Carr here
and in this particular moment, his affliction, uh, you know,
his shoulder in this scenario is something that he has
(29:28):
to get. He has to get through this.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Whether the timing of it was was.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
On point or whether it was off the reality of
it is is that this is where he is, and
his shoulder is in and I guess it's not perfect
imperfect health.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And and so.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You know, I the him bringing it up the way
that he did, and I'm sure there was a rhyme
and a reason for him doing it, uh, And it
was probably part of his I guess if he was
delivering sermon. He has always been known to be a
very very you know, religious and spiritually driven person. So
(30:08):
you know, so when that's the type of background you have,
those are the forums that you choose to unload. Like
they don't unload, you know, in the public forums in
terms of on media or different things like that. They
generally do it, you know, to encourage and tell people
that you know, they can make it through as well,
(30:30):
if he can make it through this, that the people
in that congregation they can make it through whatever it
is they're going through as well.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
How many people you think were showed up to church
and we're like looking down, going where's that on today's scripture?
I don't know, Oh, are we are? We?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Is it right there in the Ten Commandments, thou shall
not lie, and he he clearly felt like some people
was lying on him.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But this is the problem. It is fair to question
what the story that we're being told, which is, well, yeah,
you know, it happened sometime during the last year.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It happened.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Okay, the season's been over for months, and just now,
maybe next season will be in jeopardy. Like just all
of a sudden, April pops up and Derek Carr season
next year might be in jeopardy the same offseason that
all the other things were happening. I'm sorry, I'm not
trying to to piss anybody off above all respect Tang,
(31:36):
but damn man, Like, it just doesn't add up. It
doesn't add up. If you knew that there was an
injury or some issue last year, why wasn't it addressed
right after the season, so everything would have been ready.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And there's always the possibility that they wanted to give
it time to see if it could kind of find
its way back to health without anything kind of medically
being done. I mean, there's always there's always reasons as
to why something like if you're taking an educated guess
or risk, as it applies to you know the severity
(32:12):
of the injury. Because nobody wants to unnecessarily go under
the knife. I will say that like one hundred percent.
I do not if you're saying give it six months
versus let's just go ahead and do the surgery now,
and you're telling me there's a possibility that I could,
you know, get to a good place health wise in
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that six months time, I'm not going under the knife.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know, for all the times that you have to
to do things to get surgically repaired, if there's a
time where you don't have to do it, then try
not to do it. So I can understand if the
circumstances of him being in contact to me, that's what
it says to me, him saying that I've been in
constant contact with the with the organization, We've talked through this.
(33:04):
They're they're on the same page as to what's going
on with him. If you came to the conclusion after
the amount of time that has elapsed that this is
the right decision to make, which is to get surgery
or whatever it may be that's going to keep him
out of the season, then as long as they're on
the same page. I don't have a problem with it,
(33:25):
and I'm not going to say it's peculiar the timing
of it. I'm just going to say if it didn't
work out on the positive side, where it's like okay,
Like take Abdul Carter's situation for for an example, who's
that he finds out he.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Was just newly drafted and to the New York Giants and.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Was turned down to wherety six and now he's got
to pick a different number. But you know, you find
out and you find out in the combine medical exams
that he's got this this deal with his foot that
could possibly require surgery or you give it time to
(34:03):
heal and he has, you know, the opportunity of just
going back to regular health. It's a great example. Like
he didn't do any type of activities, he didn't run,
he didn't do any drills, he did nothing, and that
could have been an issue, but it was clearly communicated
(34:23):
and his talent outweighed the risk. So to me, I
feel like it's the same exact situation here. Does Derek
Carr's talent at this point in his career does it
outweigh the risk or is it a situation where listen,
the man is medically unable to perform and do what
(34:44):
he needs to do. Our team has medically has has
been unable to perform.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
The entire team, damn, the entire organization.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Has been unable to perform.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
And so what do you do from there?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Some would say Alvin Kamara performs great in elevator elevators,
I mean small spaces.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Smaller spaces, all right, Well, listen, got to be able
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Speaker 9 (37:19):
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Speaker 1 (37:26):
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Speaker 2 (37:29):
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Speaker 1 (37:31):
Guys, in case you missed it.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
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your brethren out there. KFC responded to sdur Sanders slide, saying, uh,
this is what they had to say on social media.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
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Speaker 9 (37:48):
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Sometimes all of Sanders needs is a little time to cook.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Congratstor all right, I think we've h It's very corny,
but I get I get it.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Jumped the shark the shore. Sanders coverage has been crazy
a lot. It's been a lot, I mean, and I'm
I will stand on it here. I think he fell
because of race.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's why.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That's what I'm so glad I missed yesterday. I was
not planned in terms of based off of anything other
than what what my travels had had created. And so
I'm so over. I'm so over having to talk about
I'm sure he's over it too, you know, I'm family
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is over it.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
On Saturday, you and I were right in the the cyclone,
like right in the eye of the storm when it
was happening. We had no choice but to talk about it.
By the time my show was over, I'm like, I'm
done with this. I don't want to I don't want
to hear about it. I don't want to talk about it.
We spent the whole first hour talking about Oh yeah,
you couldn't like listen, like play the hits. It was
(39:04):
the biggest story, and the fact that it was the
biggest story in the way it was covered was just wild.
And I told you this yesterday when we talked. I
would have given anything to be in the room while
somebody was recording a podcast or giving a take on
how he fell because of race. Right as Jalen Milroe
was getting drafted. I would have done anything, anything to
(39:26):
be there for that because we heard everything from race
to they don't like his dad, to interviews.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Too a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Look, man, it's a lot. Melk Heiper lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Mel Kiper melted down.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I don't see anything like it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I mean, mel Kiper put it all on the line now.
I mean, I don't even know. I guess you know
the way stephen A talks about Walt Disney. I guess
them dudes feel like they untouchable because they just say
anything these days.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Bruh.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
He came out his next. Stephen A came out his
next saying some wild ass. Mel Kiper was on stage
melting down, like just saying some wild ass out there
next man, Like, you do know you have a job
because of these people. You crashing out on us.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
We cover them, they don't cover us.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's crazy, man, mel Kiper, I don't know what you
was thinking. You you getting old? I guess because you
crashed all the way out.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Bro scure, damp cherry bread, no popping
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
My g Leavarrington?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh god? What is there a lighter in here? I
don't know somebody up in here?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Oh you missed it yesterday. There's a roll of toilet
paper sitting there for some reason. Yeah, just randomly.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So there.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, let's go far yeah, right, okay, or he's back.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hell yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But so I don know anything about it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'll just say this. I could watch the Warriors and
the Rockets play each other for the rest of the
playoffs and be.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Content a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's not even like that could have basketball, Like, neither
one of those teams has got a shot in hell
against OKAC. But it is borderline violence. I wouldn't say
that the first half. The Rockets are a really good team.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's Greatlee was freaking dealing. I'm saying, you said, they
don't have a chance against Okac, Like they're playing really well.
But if Jimmy Butler can get healthy, like he's still
you can tell he's tender. Yeah he didn't. He didn't
look himself last night so sore. So he's sure, Yeah,
(02:59):
I mean he you know, he was in there. He
powered through. But if he can get healthy and play
at at his top level, they they can get through.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, see they can they.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I was actually shocked they were able to win last night.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I mean just because we've talked about this before, right, Yeah,
it's it's tough. It's tough for them to be able
to win without Jimmy Butler. I mean, he didn't play,
didn't play Game three. Houston's the better team. They have more,
they have more pieces, they have more parts. But but
they're not down. Yeah, they just don't know how to
(03:39):
play against this. This the leadership and what what Steph
Curry brings and what what Draymond brings to the table
is It's just it's different.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You got to be able to handle that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There there has to be a level of of I
don't know, I don't know what it is. I don't
want to say level of maturity because I think that
you know, Van Vliet and those guys. I think there's enough,
there's enough guys that are old enough to understand it.
I just don't think that they're seasoned enough to be
(04:12):
and and the record proves that they're like four and
oh against Houston and in playoff series. So it's it's
kind of historic. And now granted, these kids, these these
guys are too young to have been a part of
all of those, you know, those those times they lost.
But Houston has not had great success against the Warriors
(04:33):
in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I just think that these guys are out classing them,
they're outwitting them because they're not they're not more athletic,
and they're not better like on paper, they're not better
than the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So you know, I mean, it's not the first time
that we've broken this game down, or this series down.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Rather as far as how it was going to go.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Let's take a listen, and all of a sudden, we've
got a series because Jimmy Butler's gotta get an MRI
because he's got a pelvit contusion.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
They're calling it. That's a rap. They don't got a series.
That's that. That was a quick turn. That that party.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
If you're a Golden State Warriors fan, that party died
out quick.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Geez.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
They can't do it without without Jimmy Buckets, man, I
can't do it. It was gonna be a good series
in terms of it would be competitive, but Golden State
I felt like would outclassed them, and having two scores
of the caliber of of Curry and Butler would be
too much for for a really really talented Rockets team.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But now, yeah, the tables turn.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
It's only one game, right, It's one one still, you know,
you never know. I mean this, This Golden State team
has rallied sometimes with Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Having help them and not, so I'm not counting them out.
It only takes one.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Steph Curry in Fuego shooting night that to get them
right back in this.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So I wasn't on.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Thirty six points in Game three, by the way, I
wasn't on air like since he since they like that game.
I hadn't been on air. But I didn't know jim
I thought Jimmy might be out due to that injury. Like,
I mean what I said the statement, The statement was correct, and.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
They I mean he missed Game three and they won.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
All I'm saying is it was going to be a
rap if Jimmy Butler did not come back in and play,
it was going to be a rap.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's why they won the game three.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So what So that's why they're up.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Three to one.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like I said, they barely won last night. Yeah with
Jimmy Butler, they barely won Game three. What Jimmy Butler,
he didn't Butler? I know they didn't blow them out. Yeah,
they took it, Yeah they did. What was the score?
I don't even remember game game three? I mean you
mean Game two?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Step Career dropped thirty six.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And I don't think they blewed him out. They haven't
blown him out once.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
One O four ninety three.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's a blowout. I guess it could be considered that. Yeah,
one eleven. I stand by it. I still stand by it,
trust me. Yeah, I still stand by that. ILL stand by.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Dylan Brooks is trying everything he possibly can Jimmy Butler
to swing on him.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
He's trying everything he can. He's trying to get He's
trying to get all of them. He's like a He's
like a poor man's version of Draymond.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I love him. I know people like to bury him
because they, well, you know, he's just out there. He's
not even playing basketball.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
He's a one scoring Yeah, and at the beginning of
the game yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I mean he's out there at all their critical moments,
he's on the floor. He's he's trying as much as
he possibly can. He's limited on offense, but trying everything
he can do. Like he's a throwback player, Like this
is a throwback series, which is why it's that so entertaining.
And I was actually kind of surprised that the TNT
crew when they went to halftime was complaining about the
(08:08):
style of basketball. It was right, because it like that
that's kind of their style of basketball. That's what they've
been calling for, especially when you watch that awful Calves
heat game and whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
The hell that that's a blowout. That was a blowout.
That's what I would call a blow that's total dumb.
I mean, they didn't even have to put Donovan Mitchell
back in. I don't even know why they put him
back in the game.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Miami almost lost my sixty.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I don't even know that they showed up to
the arena. Those are fill in.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
How does that happen? I'm like, how do you like
imagine having you know, clee imagine having Miami plus fifty
and being like, yeah, of course I'll take that bet
and still losing wild But there it is the you know,
the Cleveland Cavaliers are on their way to the next round.
(09:03):
But last night the star of that of that game
was the start of the night in the NBA playoffs
was Rockets Warriors. And I'm really hoping the game it
goes seven so we can get as many games possible.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
But it feels like this is gonna be over quick.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Why can't we get this style of basketball for the
other eighty two in the regular season?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Too much, too much, too much basketball to be played.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
It didn't used to be.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It didn't use to me.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's and it's so funny we said this style of
basketball last night, like that's how the old NBA used
to be.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like people used to beat each other up.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was telling my son because he's so on this
Lebron train and I was telling him. I was like, dude,
I was like, I was like, I don't know what
type of career Steph Curry would have had or Lebron
would have had in that early those early days. It's
like Lebron has had longevity. He's I had a run
(10:01):
for a really long time of being dominant. I said,
he doesn't get beat up on like these other guys.
So he asked me, He asked me the question. He
poses the question. He said, who do you think is better?
Since we're always talking about Lebron and Mike. He is like,
he's like, who you think is better? Jo Kic or Bird?
(10:24):
And he's like looking at it like this is like
like a redundant question or like a rhetorical question. I
was like, dude, if I got to be honest, I'm
going with Bird. And it's not because I'm older than you.
It's not that I'm taking a shot at the younger
generation and what they're I said, skill wise, skill I said,
(10:47):
it's not even close how much more skilled players are
these days because of how specialized the training is.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But you had to endure.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Like you had to endure a season back when those
guys played. Oh, if you want to look it up,
Jokic has three league MVPs. You know how many Bird
has three and did them all back to back to back.
He did it three times in a row. Jokicch took
a year off. You know, in terms of amounts of
(11:22):
NBA first teams, Bird kills it. He's got two more
championships than Jokic.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And he was like, yeah, but you're talking about the team.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're talking about team.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I said, well, those accolades are connected to him as well.
And so for what it's worth, because I had the
conversation about the Paul Pierce, what Paul Pierce brought up,
if some way, somehow Steph Curry ends up, let's just say,
for the sake of said, Steph Curry ends up winning
the NBA World title this year, he will effectively be
(11:57):
in pole position, perfect position to be considered the player
of this era. And how do you how do you
make sense of it? If he has more championships then
Lebron James and the Lebron James era of time, and
we're having the conversation about him being the goat, Well, he.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Already does have more titles than him, because Lebron's got
three and a half and Steph Curry's got four.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Well, uh, what I would actually actually.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Got a half ring and it's actually the it's tied together.
It's got n ninety five fabric on the back end
to tie it together.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I would already give him the benefit of the doubt,
though at least as far as like the most recent
only because of the impact he's had on the game,
like Steph Curry's impact. And it's one of the reasons
why Kaitlyn Clark I think has been so attractive for
so many you know, female basketball players, is just their
ability to do something that you know anyone can do.
(13:02):
Lebron is such a specimen and an Adonis that no
one's gonna be born like that with with the physical
gift and athleticism to dunk, to fly through the air,
to play the way he's playing at forty. There's just
there's not many people who are built to be able
to do that. But everyone can relate to shooting a
(13:23):
three shoot, you know, hitting a shot, you know, a
shot from the logo. And that's where I think there's
that attraction to how Steph Cray plays. I just I
go back to us talking about like the style of
basketball and enduring it to me, the strategy behind it,
because you saw Minnesota doing it with Lebron what two
nights ago now, and you see what Houston kind of does,
(13:44):
or at least you know Dylan Brooks is trying to do.
And you can be as skilled as you want. I
think this is what like younger generations don't seem to understand,
is you can be as talented and skilled as you want.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
But once you get punched in the mouth, then it
changes the time.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, and that's the thing is and hear me out,
So this is going to go on a long, long
little trail here.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
No, kids don't fight anymore, like like when they grow up.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
It's not the same as what it used to be,
where you know, you wouldn't be able to just say
whatever you want on social media or say whatever you
want on the playground.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You get popped in the face.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Yea, And that actually was like a real life lesson
and you didn't get tumble, well.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Exactly most times most times you got you got away
with it. But it's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Was you didn't snitch right, like like you knew that.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Like if Johnny hits you, Johnny stare at you in class,
He's like, oh yeah, did I hit you in the face?
Did you fall and you're like, oh, I fell, but
like that, that's the that's the reality of what like
people grew up with in the older generations was there
are consequences for your actions and you had to be
responsible and accountable for those actions. And nowadays you look
(14:55):
at you know, and just and this even applies to
the draft and the prank call all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
What just happened. This applies to a.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Lot of things, but it applies to I think the
game the way it's played, because now you look at
how they're trying to neutralize a lot of skill and
talent with getting in their heads playing that with that
sort of physicality, and some guys are like, what do
I do?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I don't like this. They look to the reps like
do something.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
It's like, no, man, this is this is what like
grade school one oh one. You got to figure out
a solution on your own, and you have to be tough.
You have to endure, as you guys said, and kind
of work through this. But that's one of the reasons
why I go back to saying, like, why can't we
get this in the other eighty two games during the
regular season. I wish we had a team that wanted
to embody with the Detroit Pistons used to be like
(15:41):
I wish someone took that approach for eighty two games.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean, the new Pistons kind of tried like they
were in a bunch of skirmishes. They were in a
bunch of like them and the Rockets are probably the
most physical teams in the NBA as far as you
know to wanting to play that style of basketball. And
they're both really talented but still probably a couple of
years away from being legitimate contenders in either common But
(16:06):
even looking at how their style of play has been
in the playoffs, that doesn't even like the old Pistons, Like.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Like you gotta understand, like the way they fouled was
just different. It's different than how guys get fouled anymore,
did you see? So when like that technical on Draymond,
like for his like hitting them in the hit with
his leg and stuff like that, Like some of these calls,
it's like they're so TICKI tech called like dudes were
literally I told my son, I said, could you imagine
(16:37):
Robert Parris turning around at seven foot and cold cocking
you in the face, like punching you in the face.
A cheme to dream seven footer, turn around, open hand, bitch,
slap you.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
The Draymond that felt like that was because it was
Draymond that that's why he got he got the.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Technical for it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Jimmy Butler when he chased down Dylan Brooks, I was
actually happy that they didn't call a tech on that
like that that was or they didn't call a flagrant
on that. Why would they exactly because Brooks threw himself
on the ground and they just looked at it and said,
let him play on. And then there was another time
where he shoved Dylan Brooks down when they were talking
to each other on the foul line and they just
(17:21):
let it play.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I was like, okay for.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All the criticism that officials get and deservedly, so those
were a couple of moments where they're like, no, no, no,
it's the play.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I mean even the other night with an And and
lebron right, it's like he got up in his chest.
How many times are you ever going to see that?
Like you understand, MJ and them had to handle that.
Isaiah Thomas, you name it, Charles Barkley, they had to
(17:49):
handle that. Even Kobe I said, now you gotta go.
You got damn too. So anyway, shouts out the cove.
I just think that when you think about it, And
I was telling him, I said, it's like that in
football too.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's like that. In football.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
The physicality of the game was being legislated out, like
towards the end of Tom Brady's career, being legislated out.
So when I look at guys now, I don't necessarily
measure and weigh them almost the same exact way I
would when you were especially quarterbacks, especially quarterbacks, And then
(18:31):
I would throw receivers in there on a second, Like
there was a time I'll never forget the Super Bowl
where Ty Law was sitting Hall of Fame, which Ty
Hall of Fame. Ty Law was sitting Marvin Harrison down
(18:52):
on the bench. He was jamming that man up so
serious on the ball that he was driving him all
the way to the bench and sat him down on
the bench.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And you know what the.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
League did, get these cast fave yards we can't had at.
We can't had at. Then you start now, then the
concussions epidemic hits. Now you gotta contend with that. It's
just it's not the same game. You had to survive
in a different time. In both the NBA and the NFL,
(19:31):
it's not survival now.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's also the NHL because while we celebrate Ovechkin for
breaking the record, Gretzky's era completely different, Like he was
getting mugged, so him being able to do what he
did at that time, Like now it's everything's opened up,
you know, after the lockout or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
They you know, they got rid.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Of the two line pass and all that stuff, so
they opened up the offense. But yeah, it does feel
like it's different. Every sport has now realized we've got
to figure out a way to cater towards the offensive.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And scoring is the key. That's the bottom line. Scoring
is the key. And in some situations, well not some,
in most situations, the star is the star, and and
football that's that's that's the quarterback and somewhat the receiver,
and then basketball it's the face. Whatever the face of
(20:22):
that team is, that guy is going to be protected.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
So you got to blame TV, then, a guess.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Ultimately there's two things, TV and fantasy because ultimately, rating
show people.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Don't like watching low scoring games. They just don't.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
There's examples of it I'm sure you can find in
big games because everyone's watching, but we kind of hell,
it can only blame ourselves to a degree if that's
the case. And the reason I'm saying again, people feel
like they don't they don't appreciate watching defensive sports. It
could be basketball, it could be hockey, it could be anything.
(21:00):
So some people talk about, like, hey, why do you
like soccer? They don't score enough. That's one of the
biggest scripes. It's like, well, you can't appreciate like all
the opportunities that lead to that that one opportunity that scores,
or maybe it was just that one opportunity that you score,
you know, saying like it's it's partially TV's fault that
if that's how you're looking at it, because ratings have
(21:20):
a direct correlation with scoring.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You know who else should be upset? Are these these athletes?
They should be upset because they run the risk of
never being like if you think about it, these athletes
are not as as defined and as legitimized as athletes
in the past. You don't have the type of like
(21:46):
you had way more established brands in the NBA back
in the day. You had way more established brands in
terms of players in the NFL back in the day.
And you know why because in football you had to
be a warrior, whether you were a receiver. I could
give you four other receivers outside of Jerry Rice, Andre Reid,
(22:09):
Tim Brown, who else?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Michael Irving, Art Monk Art monk.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, you had brands like you had established Webster Slaughter. Well,
come on, and he ain't even like a Parstelants, But
you don't remember the name because.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Bb dond baby off top Rady.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All I'm saying is you had to have brands because
they had to survive.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I respected a dude.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Getting hit and flipped and landing on his head and
getting back up and playing like nothing happened, by.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The way, and that was part of the highlight package.
Guy looked like he got paralyzed. Don bbe lamb his head.
They're like, hey, throw that in.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Just to bring this back to basketball for a second.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Do you kind of feel like Adam Silver just doesn't
seem like the type of guy that wants.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
That wants that heat.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
No, he's too I'm gonna look at your like he
probably doesn't want to physicality too much.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Complaining.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Man, you've already you've already. They should feel that way
all the time. Yeah, they should feel like it should
be a more physical game more like that.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
But he does look like forget about physicality.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
He's like, I gotta wash my handle, touch me.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What do you think is from them? From them? He
looked like from the Adams family.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Tell me I'm wrong. Just look at in conductions.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But that dude looks like he's from the Adams family.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
To Howie, Howie, what's his name, Howe.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, he looked like you know, I met him in
person and didn't know about his germaphoe ways. I went
to like shake his hand, he was like, oh, you
don't know, honey, like put his fist out. I was like,
at your fists, man, my face, damn give me one
a million dollar boxes.
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Buying should be Derek Carr interesting place to do this,
but he decided, you know what, I'm just gonna go
ahead and I'm gonna speak my mind. And so Derek
Carr was doing a guest sermon at Church LV in
(26:06):
Las Vegas, and he responded to some of the reports
about his shoulder issues.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Yes, I have a shoulder injury, despite what ESPN says.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And what some lady on the podcast might think. Okay,
I have.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
An MRI report to prove it. The team knows about it.
We've been in constant communication. There's nothing wrong. We're figuring
it out and we're going to go forward with that.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Is that, okay.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
And I've been dealing with this, and I've been dealing
with people lying about me, and I've been dealing with
them saying this and this and that, and I'm like, Lord,
why do I have to continue to deal with this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Ah, do so keep that's technical difficulty. That was definitely Jesus,
that's the problem was Hey, you try it? Hey, now
(27:06):
pod listen, want you to say anything on this? I
was about to question Derek Carr's comments, but now I'm
not sure. If I want to live, I might go
out to my truck and hurt. My truck might get
struck with lightning on the way home from work. Don't
you talk about I would like to say this all
(27:30):
respect to Derek Carr. He's he's and uh, you know,
he's all about faith and it's awesome and from everything
I've I've ever heard, great guy, heard nothing but nothing
different than that. I would like to say this count
me as one of the people who questions, uh, the
timing of the injury, and when the news came out,
(27:50):
I apologize, Lord, forgive me, please, but it just doesn't
make a whole hell of a lot of sense that
the injury happened last year and then all of a
sudden around this time in the same offseason that they
had all sorts of issues with him maybe wanting to
be traded, and then we got to redo his deal
(28:11):
and then we've got like all that stuff comes out,
and then all of a sudden, just miraculously in April,
his shoulder injury pops up and he may have to
miss the entire year. I'm sorry, it just seems a
little fishy, Am I wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I mean, things happen, okay, And listen, he was making
sure that he gave his public account in front of
Jesus Christ's Lord and Savior and the congregation that he
was delivering his testimony to. So on a more serious note, again,
everybody has their you know, their things they have to
(28:45):
get through, their challenges that they have to get through.
And the you know, I guess in the Christian world,
you say, unless you have a testimony, you don't really
have something to lean into, to feed from, to offer
other people. You know, if you've never had struggles. I
mean Jesus historically in the Bible had struggles like he
(29:07):
had to overcome being in the wilderness. You know, he
was hungry, he was tempted to eat all kinds of
different things, and and so listening to Derek Carr here
and in this particular moment, his affliction, uh, you know,
his shoulder in this scenario is something that he has
(29:28):
to get. He has to get through this.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Whether the timing of it was was.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
On point or whether it was off the reality of
it is is that this is where he is, and
his shoulder is in and I guess it's not perfect
imperfect health.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And and so.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You know, I the him bringing it up the way
that he did, and I'm sure there was a rhyme
and a reason for him doing it, uh, And it
was probably part of his I guess if he was
delivering sermon. He has always been known to be a
very very you know, religious and spiritually driven person. So
(30:08):
you know, so when that's the type of background you have,
those are the forums that you choose to unload. Like
they don't unload, you know, in the public forums in
terms of on media or different things like that. They
generally do it, you know, to encourage and tell people
that you know, they can make it through as well,
(30:30):
if he can make it through this, that the people
in that congregation they can make it through whatever it
is they're going through as well.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
How many people you think were showed up to church
and we're like looking down, going where's that on today's scripture?
I don't know, Oh, are we are? We?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Well?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Is it right there in the Ten Commandments, thou shall
not lie, and he he clearly felt like some people
was lying on him.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But this is the problem. It is fair to question
what the story that we're being told, which is, well, yeah,
you know, it happened sometime during the last year.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It happened.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Okay, the season's been over for months, and just now,
maybe next season will be in jeopardy. Like just all
of a sudden, April pops up and Derek Carr season
next year might be in jeopardy the same offseason that
all the other things were happening. I'm sorry, I'm not
trying to to piss anybody off above all respect Tang,
(31:36):
but damn man, Like, it just doesn't add up. It
doesn't add up. If you knew that there was an
injury or some issue last year, why wasn't it addressed
right after the season, so everything would have been ready.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And there's always the possibility that they wanted to give
it time to see if it could kind of find
its way back to health without anything kind of medically
being done. I mean, there's always there's always reasons as
to why something like if you're taking an educated guess
or risk, as it applies to you know the severity
(32:12):
of the injury. Because nobody wants to unnecessarily go under
the knife. I will say that like one hundred percent.
I do not if you're saying give it six months
versus let's just go ahead and do the surgery now,
and you're telling me there's a possibility that I could,
you know, get to a good place health wise in
(32:32):
that six months time, I'm not going under the knife.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know, for all the times that you have to
to do things to get surgically repaired, if there's a
time where you don't have to do it, then try
not to do it. So I can understand if the
circumstances of him being in contact to me, that's what
it says to me, him saying that I've been in
constant contact with the with the organization, We've talked through this.
(33:04):
They're they're on the same page as to what's going
on with him. If you came to the conclusion after
the amount of time that has elapsed that this is
the right decision to make, which is to get surgery
or whatever it may be that's going to keep him
out of the season, then as long as they're on
the same page. I don't have a problem with it,
(33:25):
and I'm not going to say it's peculiar the timing
of it. I'm just going to say if it didn't
work out on the positive side, where it's like okay,
Like take Abdul Carter's situation for for an example, who's
that he finds out he.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Was just newly drafted and to the New York Giants and.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Was turned down to wherety six and now he's got
to pick a different number. But you know, you find
out and you find out in the combine medical exams
that he's got this this deal with his foot that
could possibly require surgery or you give it time to
(34:03):
heal and he has, you know, the opportunity of just
going back to regular health. It's a great example. Like
he didn't do any type of activities, he didn't run,
he didn't do any drills, he did nothing, and that
could have been an issue, but it was clearly communicated
(34:23):
and his talent outweighed the risk. So to me, I
feel like it's the same exact situation here. Does Derek
Carr's talent at this point in his career does it
outweigh the risk or is it a situation where listen,
the man is medically unable to perform and do what
(34:44):
he needs to do. Our team has medically has has
been unable to perform.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
The entire team, damn, the entire organization.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Has been unable to perform.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
And so what do you do from there?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Some would say Alvin Kamara performs great in elevator elevators,
I mean small spaces.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Smaller spaces, all right, Well, listen, got to be able
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Speaker 9 (37:19):
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Congratstor all right, I think we've h It's very corny,
but I get I get it.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Jumped the shark the shore. Sanders coverage has been crazy
a lot. It's been a lot, I mean, and I'm
I will stand on it here. I think he fell
because of race.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's why.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That's what I'm so glad I missed yesterday. I was
not planned in terms of based off of anything other
than what what my travels had had created. And so
I'm so over. I'm so over having to talk about
I'm sure he's over it too, you know, I'm family
(38:40):
is over it.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
On Saturday, you and I were right in the the cyclone,
like right in the eye of the storm when it
was happening. We had no choice but to talk about it.
By the time my show was over, I'm like, I'm
done with this. I don't want to I don't want
to hear about it. I don't want to talk about it.
We spent the whole first hour talking about Oh yeah,
you couldn't like listen, like play the hits. It was
(39:04):
the biggest story, and the fact that it was the
biggest story in the way it was covered was just wild.
And I told you this yesterday when we talked. I
would have given anything to be in the room while
somebody was recording a podcast or giving a take on
how he fell because of race. Right as Jalen Milroe
was getting drafted. I would have done anything, anything to
(39:26):
be there for that because we heard everything from race
to they don't like his dad, to interviews.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Too a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Look, man, it's a lot. Melk Heiper lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Mel Kiper melted down.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I don't see anything like it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I mean, mel Kiper put it all on the line now.
I mean, I don't even know. I guess you know
the way stephen A talks about Walt Disney. I guess
them dudes feel like they untouchable because they just say
anything these days.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Bruh.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
He came out his next. Stephen A came out his
next saying some wild ass. Mel Kiper was on stage
melting down, like just saying some wild ass out there
next man, Like, you do know you have a job
because of these people. You crashing out on us.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
We cover them, they don't cover us.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's crazy, man, mel Kiper, I don't know what you
was thinking. You you getting old? I guess because you
crashed all the way out.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Bro scure, damp cherry bread, no popping
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