April 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Mel Kiper embarrassed himself with how he handled the Shedeur Sanders slide in the Draft. The Ravens seemingly drafted the replacement for Justin Tucker. Plus, Bill Belichick and his gf go viral for a dumb interview and Lee’s Leftovers.
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That'll be Uh, that'll be a fun Noway, let me
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if Jimmy Butler comes back tonight and they lose, would
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if Butler comes back and they lose with him, wouldn't
that equally kind of prove that, I don't know, maybe
he's he's not the best to have him back if
he's not one hundred percent or whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Maybe yeah, because he was trying to point out that
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of Jimmy Butler. And you can make an argument, in fact,
we will make the argument that if they lose tonight,
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be that.
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It's gonna be Golden State winning without Jimmy Butler playing
Golden State using with Jimmy Butler plays.
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but we're hoping that Golden State does one of the
one of those two things. That's what we're hoping for.
If we want to have fun tomorrow morning, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That'll be a fun discussion to have with Lebarro when
it comes back. Hopefully he takes it well. It is
two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. And somebody who that's probably a smart play,
somebody who you know didn't have a great weekend. The
one and only mel Kiper Junior, who was outraged at
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the drop of Shadoor Sanders. He had him number twenty
on his big board, and as should or, Sanders ended
up going number one forty four. So based on his
projections and where he went, he missed by just to
smidge over one hundred and twenty spots for Shador Sanders,
and so mel Kiper, who was having meltdowns throughout the
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first two days of the draft because he couldn't believe
that shid Or Sanders had slipped. When he finally did
get drafted on Saturday at pick number one forty four,
mel Kiper on ESPN wanted to point out the real
issue when it comes to drafting quarterbacks in the NFL.
The NFL has been flueless for fifty years when.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It comes to evaluating quarterback, clueless all that no idea
what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's proof, there's proof of that. How many we know
exactly what we're talking about with quarterback? They don't. So
there's NFL scout and GM and a quarterback evaluator and
coach mel Kiper Junior breaking down the issues with quarterback
playing the NFL and evaluations.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
So let me just say this, because he became he
went viral, it became very polarizing where people were either
on mel Kiper's side of this and how they see this,
or or people tend to decide with Rhys Davis. So
I think kind of took almost a stance against him
a bit, even Lewis Riddick for that matter, who obviously
has been in NFL front offices. And so let me
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just try to paint the full picture here. So for
those who don't know who mel Kuiper is, which I
would say, he to me is synonymous with the NFL draft. Yes,
whether that's right, wrong, or indifferent, Okay, Like I know
that at no point in his life has he ever
played professional football coached professional football not even for college
for that matter, at either one of those or worked
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in an NFL front office. None of it, right, which
is largely what most like TV networks look for when
they're trying to build a case for credibility, because they
feel like viewers at home, okay, want to be able
to hear from someone who's been in those shoes, who's
been there, done that, right, That's kind of how it works.
Like look at who calls games for the most part. Now,
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there's there's a few exceptions to that. I mean, Tony
Romas never played the Super Bowl. He's called super bowls,
So there's an example of that. Like there's other examples
of that too, I think that have played it itself out,
But it's beside the point. Mel Kiper's inn an unbelievable
job of positioning himself at a time where the draft
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was really just starting to kind of gain momentum. I mean,
he's a guy who at a young age created mel
Kiper Enterprises while he was in college. It's specifically to
evaluate college football players this which is kind of nuts
when you think about it, but also incredible to think
he was able to do that. And I believe he
joined ESPN as a draft analyst back in nineteen eighty four,
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you know, doing extensive research and scouting and evaluation. So
you know, guys like Earnie A. Corsi, who has a
lot of credibility within the NFL NFL circles, they they
kind of said like, hey, this guy is someone that
you guys should bring on, some of you guys should
listen to. And so he's had some polarizing moments. Do
we want to play that polarizing moment nowly? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Bill Tobin Colts GM mel Kuiper nineteen ninety four, Take
it away, Bill.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
You know, we got a guy up there, who in
the hell is mel Kuiper in a way, I mean,
here's a guy that criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He's
got the answers to who you should take and who
you shouldn't take. In my knowledge of him, he's never
ever put on a jockstrap. He's never been a coach,
he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator,
and all of a sudden he's an expert. He's in
our papers two days ago telling us who we have
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to take. We don't have to take anybody that mel
Kuiper says, we have to take mel Kuiper has no
more credentials to do what he's doing than my neighbor.
And my neighbor's a postman, and he doesn't even have
season tickets to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Kiper, Well, Tobin obviously not going out to dinner tonight. Well, Chris,
I'll tell you I'm secure in my position.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Obviously, Bill Tobin is not very secure in his position.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
To me, it's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
You cannot go with Jim Harriball and pass up Trent Tilford,
forget it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's why the Colts are things not of the You're in.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And you're out.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So there you go. That's one snippet really where mel
Kuiper started to gain kind of some momentum. But I mean,
say what you want in regards to his lack of experience.
He's a fixture and what is it made for TV
event And so whether or not you like him or
don't or respect him or it doesn't matter. He's he's
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part of the NFL draft evaluation process. He has been,
always will be. So you know he's up there defending
and trying to provide some insight as to what he
thinks or where he thinks a player like Shador Sanders
should go. That's part of the TV. It's part of
the reality TV that we talk about. Here's why I
think he's wrong. Okay, it's not that NFL franchises always
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get the evaluation of the player wrong. I don't think
that that's the case. They do their research, they do
their due diligence. They are in many cases leaving no
stone unturned. It's not what happens to quarterbacks from the
college level as far as the mis evaluating them. It's
what happens once they get there. What happens once they
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get there is NFL teams who make the selection of
these quarterbacks do not provide them with the environment they
need to actually help them excel. In many cases, teams
will draft a player, and this is by and large,
this is not just quarterbacks, due this is most players.
Bad organizations will draft a player, they'll plug him in.
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They'll be like, all right, let's throw them in the
deep end. Let's see if you can swim and look.
Maybe maybe some people feel like, well, that's how it
should be. But most players need a degree of development.
Some are faster learners than others. Some aren't. Some are
late bloomers, some are so I would say, by and large,
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it's not so much the misevaluation by NFL franchises. To me,
it's the lack of so many things that go into
making a player, even a quarterback, good stability, consistency. I
always tell people, it's hard when you have to learn
a new offense every other year. It's it's hard to
do that. It's hard when teams can't stick with a
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player through adversity and allow him not only to build
from that adversity too, instead of kicking him out or
throwing them on the bench and saying them like, yeah,
you can't go out there and make mistakes. We can't
afford that. Okay, well, if I can't do that, then
I can't play in a manner that's aggressive because I'm
always gonna be worried about making a mistake. You know.
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They can't see through sometimes injuries that take place and
see what's on the other side because there's no patience.
So more often than not, it's not the misdiagnosis or
analysis of what a player is. It's the fumbling of
that player once they get him because they don't have
the type of situation and circumstance within that organization to
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provide with any sort of stability or consistency with that
scheme offensively or defensively. A coaching staff and people who
are advocates for that player. Some of the worst teams
always have the most turnover at the front office and
coaching positions. It's one of the and usually that comes
from a top because the owner doesn't have thick skin
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and they can't take the fact that like, hey, you
made the decision to hire these guys, Now give them
three four years to get through it and see what
you can make make them out to be. On the
other side, now they fire them after a year, they
fire them after two years. The team's riddled with injuries,
so they have a bad season, and all of a sudden,
that doesn't factor into the evaluation of what happened to
give that coach give that team another year. Happens all
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the time. So that's where to me, he got this wrong.
And I know that's kind of straying away from the
Shador Sanders conversation, which is why we've even talking about
melkiper Junior in the first place. But that's the one
thing I'll take exception to it, and unfortunately for Shador
Again we talked about this earlier. He's going to a
place where I have no idea what Cleveland's doing at
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the quarterbacksop outside of basically throwing a bunch of hooks
in the water and saying one of them's got a bite. Yeah,
like like one of these has to We're gonna catch
a fitch with with one of these, right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's the deadliest catch in Cleveland. You know, just throw
a giant crate in there and see if you can
get a bunch of crab. Why not, you know, throw
it out there and see who wins at the end
of the year. Like my the issue I have with
and to your point, respect to mel kiper Junior, who's
been doing it for a long ass time and to
do it for as long as he's done it on
television and to really attach himself to that, to have
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the foresight to go that's that's something I want to
be a part of. Listen, he's been successful, he's been
there for a really long time for a reason and
generally does a pretty good job. But like it's called
a mock draft for a reason, it's not real. Anybody
could do a mock draft. You did one. I did
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a bottom ten mock draft. Anybody could do a mock draft.
It's all a crap shoot. Nobody saw Jack's and Bill
trading up to two, and Cleveland trading back and then
taking Mason Graham and Jacksonville ending up with with Travis
Hunt like nobody saw that. And apparently that deal had
been in the works for a week or so and
they had kind of the parameters of the deal, but
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nobody really saw it. Like nobody had that on their board.
It's a mock draft. For him to be as outraged
as he was. And then, first, dude, relax, You're gonna
get stuff wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. It's okay
to just acknowledge, Hey, I screwed up. I got that wrong,
and you move on with your life. Nobody's gonna hold
it against you. But there's also the to your point
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calling out the NFL that you don't know this and
and you've missed it for this many years, et cetera,
et cetera. When you and I first started doing shows together,
I remember the first call, which, by the way, when
I got paired up with you, one of the real
low points in my career, Like, I got to be
honest with you, but really.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, when you do it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
When you and I got together.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You're doing overnights when I met, Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
For first of all, that's morning drive and bah and
you know that. But when you and I got together,
one of the first things I told you was, Hey,
just see you know, like, when it comes to football,
I'm never going to pretend or talk to you as
if I know more than you, because I don't. I
can I can have analysis on stuff, I can have
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commentary on stuff. I can have you know, information on stuff.
I haven't been in the meeting rooms at the college
level or the NFL level A level. I played high
school football. I was terrible and we sucked out loud.
I don't know how we made the playoffs. We made
it was it was awful. But I've never been in
a college meeting room. I've never been in an NFL
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meeting room. I've never talked with coaches and scouts and
had that. Unless you've done that, you don't have the
ability to understand it the way you guys do. And
it's disrespectful for people on the outside to try and
sit there and talk in a way that would say
I know more than you. You guys are always screwing
it up. You don't and I've told you this before.
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The people in the media get really sensitive when they
haven't played the game. When an athlete drops the well,
you never play the game. And the reason they get
sensitive to it is because it's true. There's a certain
amount of knowledge that you have that we will never have.
And I think when mel Kiper takes the approach that
they've been screwing this up for fifty years, they've been okay.
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So Kyle Shanahan doesn't know how to handle quarterbacks, Sean
mcvayh doesn't know how to handle quarterbacks. Andy Reid has
no experience with quarterbacks. But you're the one who's going
to tell everybody how they got it right and how
they got it wrong. That's the part that bothered me,
is him trying to speak on the outside about how
you should do things when he's never had any experience
inside the building. It just doesn't add up to me.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
No, And again I can give that perspective too, because
there's people out there who watch it, and maybe they
watch because they like to watch and disagree with mel Kiper.
Are they like to try to have a differing opinion
of mel Kuiper. It felt like, again we're talking about
the opportunity to go play football as a professional athlete.
I mean, you can have an impassioned take for a
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player and feel like, hey, he was robbed based on
his talent. And I'll be honest with you again, I
don't have the research and I don't have the insight
as to the interviews outside of what's reported. Okay, so
when I hear stuff like, for example, you brought up
earlier the report from Todd McShay saying that Shade or
Sanders went into Brian Dables meetings and they had gave
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him an install packet beforehand. And just so people understand
how this works. When you go in for a meeting
with a team, they're gonna test you mentally in a
few different ways. And I have played for Brian Dable
in two different stops. Brian Dables a very smart coach
and he wants you to know the offense like the
back of your hand. He taught He taught me a
lot about football and full disclosure, I love Brian Dable.
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He's gonna be hard on you, though mentally specifically as
a quarterback to make sure you are prepared. And what
he does with his system is he equips you with
a toolbox. And I've honestly like applied this to life.
Whereas when you go out, you have answers to fix
something if it's wrong out there in the field, but
if you're not prepared and if you don't know the offense,
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you can't use those tools. Okay, So what most likely happened,
and this probably happened in two different ways, they sent
him a packet beforehand to look at an install packet,
And what they're trying to test in this case is
how fast you can get down an offense to be
able to then regurgitate that. And again, the reason why
the Giants are doing this and then obviously they felt
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more comfortable Jackson Dart is because Jackson Darts probably gonna
start in play. And so they have to test you
on how fast you could take an install and go
out there and then apply it onto the field, because
as an NFL quarterback, you're asked to do that. You
get an install on Wednesday, you go out, you're practicing
it right away, and you're going up against the looks
you're going to see, and some of the stuff could
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be completely new to you. It might be a new
concept that you've never installed an OTA's mini camp or
training camp. So you have to be able to have
that in the back of your mind what you're doing now,
be able to regurgitate that, have full command of the
offense when you go out there on the field to
go practice it, and eventually that day coming up in
the game and they're testing you on that. So if
Shador Sanders got this packet and he didn't study it
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and he didn't really care to learn it know about it,
and when he was testing on it, he didn't show
any effort whatsoever to do it, or it didn't look
like he had studied it, I could see Brian Dabele
getting on him because every other quarterback that they brought
in for workouts and for visits that they did that with,
I'm sure it came prepared and I'm sure it took
a different approach to it. I mean I remember being
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on dry race of board, dry race board sessions when
Brian Dable first got to Cleveland, and he would test
us because we had so many shifts, so many emotions.
That was one category because what you're trying to do
is you're trying to learn the offense. So it's almost
like they're a teacher and they're trying to, you know,
basically segue a segment into you, like how you're going
to learn the offense. So you have like a single
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man Roue combination, two man Rau combinations, three man ral combinations,
and you have you know, all five eligible receiver concepts,
and so you would have to memorize every single one
of those within the offense and then list them off.
Then you'd have shifts, motions, formations. You have to lift
list every single one of those off, and we would
literally be sitting Then this is upon like immediate like
trying to you know, do the install learn the offense
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and saying how fast who could be the fastest and
listen them all off, or have a certain amount of
time like sixty seconds to go right as many as
you could have all of it. And because that's what
it's testing you on, they're putting pressure on you. They're
saying how you compete, They're saying how you memorize and
then can reapply all this stuff. So when you get
out there on the field, you're not thinking you're just playing,
and that's one way in which they test quarterbacks. And
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if the reports are true that he wasn't giving effort,
he wasn't prepared, he wasn't well. All right, how's it
going to take it once he's on a team, then,
I mean, this is an interview process. You should be nervous,
you should be anxious. You should feel like I don't
have enough time to do this on your best behavior, right, like, right,
Like that's how you should be. I remember being at
the combine dressing up for interviews with teams and guys
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be like, why are you dressing up? I'm like, dude,
this is an interview, Like, like I want to look
I want to look professional, look presentable. Like you could
do the same thing, there's no difference between us, Like
you could have done the same thing too, but you
decided to wear sweats and you decided to you know,
maybe in some cases wear headphones. Right, that was one
of the things that came out. Or he took a
FaceTime you know, video or turning an interview like we
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had cell phones back then. You didn't dare bring it
at any point in time ever into a meeting, let
alone answer it. So Is there a chance that because
he rubbed so many teams the wrong way with the
way he interviewed and the way he conducted himself, that
he dropped. Yeah yeah, maybe maybe that's real because when
I watched the tape, I don't view him as a
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fifth round pick or fifth round talent. I know other
people will argue, hey, he doesn't have the arm strength
or whatever else. You don't have to have the strongest
arm of play in the NFL. He can layer throws,
He's an accurate passer. Does he hold onto the ball
too long? Sure? You know, does he take off and
run when he probably should or could he work on
that part of his game?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But I don't see him as a fifth round talent.
Now I don't know know I saw him as a
first round talent either, but that was maybe for a
lot of the quarterbacks in this draft. So again, for
mel Kiper, it takes such a strong stance. It felt
like there was more behind it than just defending his
mock or defending his opinion. It's almost like he was
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motivated to somebody. I mean, look, it made for great TV,
but I do think he's misdiagnosing where NFL teams, or
they do it wrong, not get it wrong. Where they
do it wrong, it's not their evaluation. They evaluate, you know,
people in personnel, they understand it better than anyone else,
or they misses how they then get those guys and
develop them. There's not enough time spent on that, and
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that's where teams mess it up.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like and we've talked to Pete Prisco about this as
well too, and we would ask this during the course
of the season, like, you know, Pete, which which pick
did you make that you were on the right side
of it, it didn't go well, which is a more elaborate,
more elaborate way of saying, my pick was wrong, but
it's not my fault. They screwed up. It's like, no,
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you screwed up. It's not them, it's you. And I
do it as well too, but I acknowledge, Yeah, I'm
being a little bit of a wise ass. It's like
man like, no, like not everybody. It's not like four
or five teams passed on him. Everybody passed on him,
including the Browns, and took another quarterback over him. There's
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got to be something to it, Like, it's not like
when that many it's like the Deshaun Watson accusations like really,
they're they're all lying, like all of them got it
like no, you it would point to your evaluation was
wrong and you to get his worked up and hot
and bothered about it. I don't know if he had
money on it. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
But christ Man, relax, I know, I know, and you know,
to go in if he had had, you know, and
done what maybe John Gruden had done with someone, which
I did. Did John Gruden do a quarterback thing? What
should do? I don't think so, which is odd, right,
Like so many other quarterbacks did Jackson Dart did. I
don't know that Cam Warred did, quin Youwers did, Quinn
Yours did? Will Howard did? I mean, there's a number
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Riley Leonard did, and that's you know. I guess you
could say it it's a risk to do it, but
I gotta be honest with you. I feel like it's
not a risk at all in the sense of I
think John Gruden builds a lot of those guys up,
and a lot of what you see that comes out
on social media, comes out on TV is positive more
than anything else. So I don't really understand the risk
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of that. And there's a number of players that dropped
in this draft who decided not to work out in
any capacity or not run a forty like Will Johnson,
the outstaying quarterback out of Michigan, end up going to
what the second round. Yeah, and he's a player that
was like that dude right there, that's a that's a
first round talent player like that guy can be a
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lockdown cornerback. Now, I don't know that he did everything,
and some people say it was injury related. Some people
there's other players that it wasn't. They just chose not to.
And this was a Marvin Harrison junior thing that started
where you know, you weren't gonna do everything because the
tape was so good. What else you need to evaluate on? Well, okay,
that's fine, But then don't get upset if you drop
in the draft when your competition is doing everything, when
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they go to these formal interviews and everything else that
you're a part of. Like when I slid in the
draft and you know, the Dolphins are at nine, it's
kind of where we thought we're gonna end up, and
we've talked about kind of that scenario. But you know,
I went down to the Senior Bowl just for a day,
just to say hi and meet people, because I knew
at that time I wasn't going to plan I wasn't
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physically able to with my knee from our bowl game.
You know, I went to the Combine. I did everything
that I could do at the Combine during my time there,
and when I was done, you know, headed out, I
was I was going to try to throw at the
Pro Day, try to give myself another week to heal
up so my knee felt better, a little more stable,
and then I eventually was going to test for everyone
a month later, which I still wasn't one hundred percent,
but it was like as good as I was going
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to be before the draft. So that's all you really
could do. That's why it was abnormal for us to
have the two prote's we did that year. We basically
had two, and that was why. But we just didn't advertise.
I didn't want people to know that I hurt my knee.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I was.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I was worried about the perception of that. So you know,
you there's there's a bunch of different reasons why guys
do or don't do things, but more often than not,
it's like agents getting in their ear telling and like, oh,
you don't need to you're solidified in this or you're
doing that. It's like, no, it's a competition, it's an interview.
I mean, if you can do all you can to
put your best foot forward. And I just I don't
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know that that was the case with Shador Sanders, and
people will say, well, like oh, they just don't like
it as confidence and the don't know how it carries himself.
I'm like, okay, but stops. There's other players and guys too,
who are confident, how they carry themselves, how they talkt
Camboard is one of the most you know, confident young
men you'll be around. You can see it, and how
he plays, you can see how it could you know,
carries himself. But he's all about ball. He keeps the
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main thing the main thing. And I don't know that
people have concerns about that with Shador, like is football
everything to him? If it is, it feels like when
you're trying to launch a brand legendary during the NFL
Draft that like it's not as much of a priority
for you in that sense.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, did you see Will Campbell, Like that was
a guy if anybody was criticized and judged for physical
deficiencies before the draft. They basically said to people, he
was a t Rex going into the draft. He gets
drafted and this is a big ass top offensive lineman
in the draft who played at a high level throughout
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his career, and he was weeping on stage because he
was so happy. Like that's a guy you look at
and go, all right, that really meant a lot to him.
And so I just think there is something like Cam
skataboove like when he finally got drafted, like there's there
is something to that. And you know, I think you
had mentioned Jay Glazer pointed that out, that that's one
of the other things, you know, the off field traits
(26:00):
that people look at. You know, do you love football?
And it's a fair question to ask. And so now
he's gonna be in Cleveland with your brownies in a
in a jam pack quarterback room. By the way, that's
a reality show. Somebody hit a gameraund that quarterback room.
I know.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I just I'm really curious to see how they divide
up reps. Like I just I've said this all along.
You're not preparing anyone. If you're trying to prepare four
guys to see who the starter is gonna be, and
they go in and do it. It's just I've never
been a fan of it. It's a recipe for disaster.
You need to have one voice. I mean, it's one
of the reasons why the Giants took Jackson Dart trade
(26:38):
up in the first round and they announced that Russell
Wilson's our starter. Like there, it's a clear communication. It's
clear to every in the locker room, this is our
guy until we tell you he's not. And that that
could happen during the course of the season, could happen
through injury, it can happen a bunch of different ways.
But until he's not, Russell Wilson's the starter. Jackson Dart
is the future. Jameis Winston will come if there's injuries
(27:00):
and else needs to take place. He's very capable. That
organization is it's much more clear cut what they're playing
as a quarterback than the Cleveland Browns right now. Yea,
And that sets you up when there's lack of clarity
for a disastrous season. Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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made a late round selection Tyler Loop. He's a placekicker
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out of Arizona and in the sixth round they decided
to draft him, which is interesting because they haven't done
that before. And when you have somebody who's projected to
potentially be a Hall of Famer in Justin Tucker, why
would you be drafting a placekicker even though he had
(28:52):
a little bit of a rough year. Oh, that's right,
because there's still that investigation that's going on with all
the accusations of shenanigans at massage and massage places and
spas and grab labs or whatever you want to call
it in the Baltimore area. This does feel like the
Ravens are expecting that after this investigation, maybe they're gonna
(29:15):
have to part ways with Justin Tucker.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it looks like it's heading in
that direction. You know, draft capital is so valued for
so many teams, and I've always said, you know, hey,
if you can find Tom Brady in the sixth round,
you know why you drafting a kicker, why you're drafting
a pun or why you're drafting you know, one of
those guys. If you can find a guy that eventually
(29:38):
became the greatest of all time, and you know, you
better make them earn it as a free agent and
there's not as much of a financial tie to them
in spending some of that draft capital on it. But
that's not the case here. I mean they've done something
they've never done before. They target a player they feel
like can come in and be the guy to replace
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what's going to be a All of Famer. I don't
think there's any question about it. Justin Tucker is one
of the greatest kickers to ever come through the NFL,
and he will be a Hall of Famer when that happens.
I have no idea, but I don't think you can.
I mean, I don't think you can even challenge that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Do you think he'll still be a Hall of Famer
with this stuff hanging over his head?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I mean, it obviously depends on how things work itself out,
But just looking at his resume on the field, how
about that he's putting up all right? When when you
were how many times? Is five time All Pro and
First Team All Pro? I should say, you know, probably
eight a time First Team. We've made a ton of
Pro Bowls, and I think we all we all viewed
(30:40):
him as the standard to at some point, Oh, you know,
as far as like if the game was on the line,
you knew Justin Tucker would be able to make that kick.
I mean, he's kicked a sixty six yarder before, so
he's state disclaim on the field for what he's been
as a kicker. But I think between how how poorly
(31:00):
he kicked last year and then on top of everything
else that's going on off the field, you know, all
that's gotten to the point where maybe it just feels
like it's time and it's unfortunate. But you know, with
everything else going on, it seems like it's all headed
in that direction.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, there's uh, I mean because there has been some
speculation maybe that's why Robert Kraft is uh, you know,
hasn't gotten into the Hall of Fame yet. That there's
you know, his little issue that he had happened in
Down of Florida, that movie.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's about Bobby Orchids. Yeah, that is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, maybe, uh, maybe old Bobby. Oh you know that
that that I think he went there twice once before
an AFC title game. That his visits down there to
Organs of Asia, you know, may have may be part
of the reason why he's not in the Hall of
Fame at this point in time, He's got all the credentials,
I mean, Jerry Jones in the Hall of Fames and
he's doubled them up in Super Bowls and and for
(31:56):
some reason he's still not there. So so that could
be some of that. By the way, did you have
to see the Bill Belichick sit down interview on CBS's Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
My first question was why. I don't know why, Like
what was odd about it and what became interesting about
the sit down was just how many things that they
didn't want to talk about. It's like, well, then why
do you agree to the interview in the first place.
Do not have any idea what they were going to
ask about or that you the personal life might come up,
since that's one of the more interesting things about Bill
(32:28):
Belichick at this point in time.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
The guy who was interviewing him pointed out, He's like, yeah,
there's one, you know, there's some video. There's some pictures
on social media. One where you're dressed up as a
fisherman and she's a mermaid on the sand, just the
way he's describing, and Belichick's Belichick's sitting there and a
navy sweatshirt with holes in it. He's just being pulled
it out of a car. Yeah, he's the guy's describing
(32:54):
Belichick doing role play on the beach somewhere for Instagram
where he's a fisherman and she's a mermaid. And then
when they asked, he was so, how'd you guys meet?
She's in the background going, we're not talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
This, which which has gone viral because most people now
are speculating how they meet. And again, I think Bill
Belichick would have would have been better off answering that
question than her because her immediately shutting that down as
compared to Belichick shutting that down because that's what he's
(33:25):
always done. I mean, when he doesn't want to talk
about something, he hasn't talked about something. But now since
she's entering the limelight and she's entering the picture and
she's answering for him, there's people speculating like, oh okay,
because in different parts of the country they don't want
to talk about it for certain reasons, you know, like
that that's just the reality of it. So that actually
(33:46):
is the thing that went most viral, got the biggest
response purely because everyone has suspectually now about how they met.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
How do you think they met? What's your theory?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Do you think it's like, you know, that's unfair? Lorena, Okay,
what that's unfair? I guess was escort. Yeah, that's unfair.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think that's most people's speculation, which is it's upsetting.
That was normal People do it all the time. Oh well,
I'm not gonna say that's normalized, but I'm going to
say that why can't love exists between two people who
are like fifty years apart on us? You know, like
that's that's what hurts me, is like, this could be
an incredible love story. You know, maybe it was raining
(34:29):
outside and she was going to cross the street and
wasn't paying attention, trying to block the rain from her eyes,
and there happened to be a puddle. Yeah, and maybe
Bill Belichick having to be walking by. I was like,
oh my goodness, this beautiful young woman is going to
step in her beautiful stiletto heel in a puddle. And
(34:49):
he laid down his coat or laid down some newspaper
that it just happened to be carrying with him to
make sure that she didn't step in the puddle. And
then it kind of started from there. The chivalrous act
ended up leading to a conversation that you know, really
intrigued her and piqued her interest with their love for
football and all the deep knowledge that he has, and
they come to find a lot of commonalities and maybe
(35:11):
they like the same foods and obviously doing fun stuff
on the beach together.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
She could have been busting tables at that Chick fil
A in Atlanta after he interviewed for the Falcons job.
We don't know. Listen, I met my wife at a
chili cookoff. There's like, there's no judgment here, really, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
How did she hang with you? I mean, your stumma
can't handle anything, But you went through a chili cookoff
and you resisted farting in front of her and just
dusting her away from you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh I didn't need the chili, No, no, no, I
knew better. Okay, I knew better. Yeah. I was going
there to uh you know, it's like a carnival going
I was going there to take home a prize and
I did and I did.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
But yeah, so wait, you you went to a chili
cookoff to pick up chicks?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, yeah, why else did you go for the food?
You're going to have in me.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I've never heard that before ever.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right, Yeah, that's how it works. Plus it was too expensive.
I was broke, so it was just easier to not eat.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
At that point, you got problem. But you just think
about that, You're going to a chili cookoff with other
chicks who's probably out of chili. And so if you
if there's any thought, what your ever, whatsoever in your head,
this is gonna get intimate. At some point, you're now
running the risk of eating whatever is coming out of them.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, keep drinking, just lay whatever, ignore, ignore what's going on,
you know.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Just keep on gas out.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Oh yeah, that's that's fine. But after seventeen beers, everything's fine.
Chili cook off to pick up chicks, Yeah, it worked.
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Please might smell a little fun case, How does that
sounds incredible?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
But they're still good.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Time to find out what's lack?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's Lee's lap, Joe, all.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Right, the lap? What do we got?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Well, something that's developing right now I'm reading about is
big power outages over the countries of Spain and Portugal.
So unfortunately those are trying to listen to us on
certain medium mediums won't be able to But at least
they have the iHeartRadio app so if they have that,
they could still listen to us live on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean they're in Spain, Portugal, that's I mean, that's
what's important, not about food going bad or people suffering.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Hospitals power plants, subways, traffic lights, and the whole infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Is down with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
So you got to just hunker in place, you know,
be safe, look after each other, and put on some
two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
You are a class act. You get your priorities though.
That's important though, Yeah, absolutely so. I hope not that
they can hear us, but hope everybody out there, you know,
is safe and sound.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Yeah, speaking of letting people know, traffic nightmare. Today in La,
we've got the Dodgers playing Miami. We've got Beyonce at
Sofi Stadium, some guy named Raoul Alejandro at Intoit Dome.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Where would you rather be if you had to pick
between the three?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Not there? Not anywhere there?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Nope, okay, So the options are Raoul Bonez into It,
Beyonce at Sofi, and what's the other one? Dodgers and
Miami Dodgers. Come on, man, Yeah, Caulse, you love the Dodgers.
I'm just don't like the other two. Not that I
(39:02):
don't like him, I'm just not a fan. I do
want to check out into it. I haven't seen into
it thmm yet. Oh, so you'd rather go there? Than
go see Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You're a liar, That's yeah, that's true. Welly, I was
going to say, like, did you going there just to
see the venue even though it doesn't matter it's performing.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, I mean I am going to pick Beyonce.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Thanks to pick Beyonce, all right, what else we do?
I also picked Beyonce. Guys, fun fact I learned. You know,
I love these things like hair of the dogs. What
about shot of whiskey?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Did you know?
Speaker 5 (39:30):
It comes from the old Westerns where uh, a cartridge
of a forty five for a six gun was twelve
cents same shot, same price as a thimble of whiskey.
Hence now we call it a shot of whiskey. Really Yeah,
old Westerns, if they didn't have the money, they would
exchange a cartridge at the at the bar to the
bartender and he'd give him a shot.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Of whiskey in a thimble. Yeah, it was just it's
tiny shot glass. Wow, I know, I.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Throw out of the bullets, right, you open yourself up
to get absolutely taken out. Hold fashioned shootout.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
You know what's law? Some of you had a shot
of whiskey.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, I got let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's all have a shot of whiskey right now, twenty
four hours late.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
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Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. No LaVar Arrington,
he's gone. No LaVar Arrington, he's not here for today. Yeah,
for the He'll be back tomorrow to answer for his
awful take on the Golden State Warriors. Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That'll be Uh, that'll be a fun Noway, let me
ask this though, you guys to weigh in on this. So,
if Jimmy Butler comes back tonight and they lose, would
that make us take even worse? I mean, obviously, if
they win without Jimmy Butler and go up three to
one in this series, that only proves the point that
he was absolutely dead wrong. Yeah, dead ass wrong. But
(01:18):
if Butler comes back and they lose with him, wouldn't
that equally kind of prove that, I don't know, maybe
he's he's not the best to have him back if
he's not one hundred percent or whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Maybe yeah, because he was trying to point out that
he was really the lynchpin to their success, like he
was the guy like he like they were if they
were going to go anywhere, it was going to because
of Jimmy Butler. And you can make an argument, in fact,
we will make the argument that if they lose tonight,
they were better off without Jimmy Butler, right, Like that'll
be that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Would that would be rour listeners out there who love
when we rip on LeVar. That would be one or
two things has to happen for us to have fun Tomorrow.
It's gonna be Golden State winning without Jimmy Butler playing
Golden State using with Jimmy Butler plays.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh, we've really hedged our bets here. We can't lose. No,
we can't great.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Oh I don't know about that. I mean, we can lose,
but we're hoping that Golden State does one of the
one of those two things. That's what we're hoping for.
If we want to have fun tomorrow morning, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That'll be a fun discussion to have with Lebarro when
it comes back. Hopefully he takes it well. It is
two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. And somebody who that's probably a smart play,
somebody who you know didn't have a great weekend. The
one and only mel Kiper Junior, who was outraged at
(02:41):
the drop of Shadoor Sanders. He had him number twenty
on his big board, and as should or, Sanders ended
up going number one forty four. So based on his
projections and where he went, he missed by just to
smidge over one hundred and twenty spots for Shador Sanders,
and so mel Kiper, who was having meltdowns throughout the
(03:03):
first two days of the draft because he couldn't believe
that shid Or Sanders had slipped. When he finally did
get drafted on Saturday at pick number one forty four,
mel Kiper on ESPN wanted to point out the real
issue when it comes to drafting quarterbacks in the NFL.
The NFL has been flueless for fifty years when.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It comes to evaluating quarterback, clueless all that no idea
what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's proof, there's proof of that. How many we know
exactly what we're talking about with quarterback? They don't. So
there's NFL scout and GM and a quarterback evaluator and
coach mel Kiper Junior breaking down the issues with quarterback
playing the NFL and evaluations.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
So let me just say this, because he became he
went viral, it became very polarizing where people were either
on mel Kiper's side of this and how they see this,
or or people tend to decide with Rhys Davis. So
I think kind of took almost a stance against him
a bit, even Lewis Riddick for that matter, who obviously
has been in NFL front offices. And so let me
(04:11):
just try to paint the full picture here. So for
those who don't know who mel Kuiper is, which I
would say, he to me is synonymous with the NFL draft. Yes,
whether that's right, wrong, or indifferent, Okay, Like I know
that at no point in his life has he ever
played professional football coached professional football not even for college
for that matter, at either one of those or worked
(04:34):
in an NFL front office. None of it, right, which
is largely what most like TV networks look for when
they're trying to build a case for credibility, because they
feel like viewers at home, okay, want to be able
to hear from someone who's been in those shoes, who's
been there, done that, right, That's kind of how it works.
Like look at who calls games for the most part. Now,
(04:55):
there's there's a few exceptions to that. I mean, Tony
Romas never played the Super Bowl. He's called super bowls,
So there's an example of that. Like there's other examples
of that too, I think that have played it itself out,
But it's beside the point. Mel Kiper's inn an unbelievable
job of positioning himself at a time where the draft
(05:17):
was really just starting to kind of gain momentum. I mean,
he's a guy who at a young age created mel
Kiper Enterprises while he was in college. It's specifically to
evaluate college football players this which is kind of nuts
when you think about it, but also incredible to think
he was able to do that. And I believe he
joined ESPN as a draft analyst back in nineteen eighty four,
(05:41):
you know, doing extensive research and scouting and evaluation. So
you know, guys like Earnie A. Corsi, who has a
lot of credibility within the NFL NFL circles, they they
kind of said like, hey, this guy is someone that
you guys should bring on, some of you guys should
listen to. And so he's had some polarizing moments. Do
we want to play that polarizing moment nowly? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Bill Tobin Colts GM mel Kuiper nineteen ninety four, Take
it away, Bill.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
You know, we got a guy up there, who in
the hell is mel Kuiper in a way, I mean,
here's a guy that criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He's
got the answers to who you should take and who
you shouldn't take. In my knowledge of him, he's never
ever put on a jockstrap. He's never been a coach,
he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator,
and all of a sudden he's an expert. He's in
our papers two days ago telling us who we have
(06:31):
to take. We don't have to take anybody that mel
Kuiper says, we have to take mel Kuiper has no
more credentials to do what he's doing than my neighbor.
And my neighbor's a postman, and he doesn't even have
season tickets to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Kiper, Well, Tobin obviously not going out to dinner tonight. Well, Chris,
I'll tell you I'm secure in my position.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Obviously, Bill Tobin is not very secure in his position.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
To me, it's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
You cannot go with Jim Harriball and pass up Trent Tilford,
forget it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's why the Colts are things not of the You're in.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And you're out.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So there you go. That's one snippet really where mel
Kuiper started to gain kind of some momentum. But I mean,
say what you want in regards to his lack of experience.
He's a fixture and what is it made for TV
event And so whether or not you like him or
don't or respect him or it doesn't matter. He's he's
(07:23):
part of the NFL draft evaluation process. He has been,
always will be. So you know he's up there defending
and trying to provide some insight as to what he
thinks or where he thinks a player like Shador Sanders
should go. That's part of the TV. It's part of
the reality TV that we talk about. Here's why I
think he's wrong. Okay, it's not that NFL franchises always
(07:46):
get the evaluation of the player wrong. I don't think
that that's the case. They do their research, they do
their due diligence. They are in many cases leaving no
stone unturned. It's not what happens to quarterbacks from the
college level as far as the mis evaluating them. It's
what happens once they get there. What happens once they
(08:08):
get there is NFL teams who make the selection of
these quarterbacks do not provide them with the environment they
need to actually help them excel. In many cases, teams
will draft a player, and this is by and large,
this is not just quarterbacks, due this is most players.
Bad organizations will draft a player, they'll plug him in.
(08:30):
They'll be like, all right, let's throw them in the
deep end. Let's see if you can swim and look.
Maybe maybe some people feel like, well, that's how it
should be. But most players need a degree of development.
Some are faster learners than others. Some aren't. Some are
late bloomers, some are so I would say, by and large,
(08:50):
it's not so much the misevaluation by NFL franchises. To me,
it's the lack of so many things that go into
making a player, even a quarterback, good stability, consistency. I
always tell people, it's hard when you have to learn
a new offense every other year. It's it's hard to
do that. It's hard when teams can't stick with a
(09:13):
player through adversity and allow him not only to build
from that adversity too, instead of kicking him out or
throwing them on the bench and saying them like, yeah,
you can't go out there and make mistakes. We can't
afford that. Okay, well, if I can't do that, then
I can't play in a manner that's aggressive because I'm
always gonna be worried about making a mistake. You know.
(09:35):
They can't see through sometimes injuries that take place and
see what's on the other side because there's no patience.
So more often than not, it's not the misdiagnosis or
analysis of what a player is. It's the fumbling of
that player once they get him because they don't have
the type of situation and circumstance within that organization to
(09:55):
provide with any sort of stability or consistency with that
scheme offensively or defensively. A coaching staff and people who
are advocates for that player. Some of the worst teams
always have the most turnover at the front office and
coaching positions. It's one of the and usually that comes
from a top because the owner doesn't have thick skin
(10:17):
and they can't take the fact that like, hey, you
made the decision to hire these guys, Now give them
three four years to get through it and see what
you can make make them out to be. On the
other side, now they fire them after a year, they
fire them after two years. The team's riddled with injuries,
so they have a bad season, and all of a sudden,
that doesn't factor into the evaluation of what happened to
give that coach give that team another year. Happens all
(10:38):
the time. So that's where to me, he got this wrong.
And I know that's kind of straying away from the
Shador Sanders conversation, which is why we've even talking about
melkiper Junior in the first place. But that's the one
thing I'll take exception to it, and unfortunately for Shador
Again we talked about this earlier. He's going to a
place where I have no idea what Cleveland's doing at
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the quarterbacksop outside of basically throwing a bunch of hooks
in the water and saying one of them's got a bite. Yeah,
like like one of these has to We're gonna catch
a fitch with with one of these, right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's the deadliest catch in Cleveland. You know, just throw
a giant crate in there and see if you can
get a bunch of crab. Why not, you know, throw
it out there and see who wins at the end
of the year. Like my the issue I have with
and to your point, respect to mel kiper Junior, who's
been doing it for a long ass time and to
do it for as long as he's done it on
television and to really attach himself to that, to have
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the foresight to go that's that's something I want to
be a part of. Listen, he's been successful, he's been
there for a really long time for a reason and
generally does a pretty good job. But like it's called
a mock draft for a reason, it's not real. Anybody
could do a mock draft. You did one. I did
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a bottom ten mock draft. Anybody could do a mock draft.
It's all a crap shoot. Nobody saw Jack's and Bill
trading up to two, and Cleveland trading back and then
taking Mason Graham and Jacksonville ending up with with Travis
Hunt like nobody saw that. And apparently that deal had
been in the works for a week or so and
they had kind of the parameters of the deal, but
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nobody really saw it. Like nobody had that on their board.
It's a mock draft. For him to be as outraged
as he was. And then, first, dude, relax, You're gonna
get stuff wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. It's okay
to just acknowledge, Hey, I screwed up. I got that wrong,
and you move on with your life. Nobody's gonna hold
it against you. But there's also the to your point
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calling out the NFL that you don't know this and
and you've missed it for this many years, et cetera,
et cetera. When you and I first started doing shows together,
I remember the first call, which, by the way, when
I got paired up with you, one of the real
low points in my career, Like, I got to be
honest with you, but really.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, when you do it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
When you and I got together.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You're doing overnights when I met, Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
For first of all, that's morning drive and bah and
you know that. But when you and I got together,
one of the first things I told you was, Hey,
just see you know, like, when it comes to football,
I'm never going to pretend or talk to you as
if I know more than you, because I don't. I
can I can have analysis on stuff, I can have
(13:18):
commentary on stuff. I can have you know, information on stuff.
I haven't been in the meeting rooms at the college
level or the NFL level A level. I played high
school football. I was terrible and we sucked out loud.
I don't know how we made the playoffs. We made
it was it was awful. But I've never been in
a college meeting room. I've never been in an NFL
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meeting room. I've never talked with coaches and scouts and
had that. Unless you've done that, you don't have the
ability to understand it the way you guys do. And
it's disrespectful for people on the outside to try and
sit there and talk in a way that would say
I know more than you. You guys are always screwing
it up. You don't and I've told you this before.
(14:02):
The people in the media get really sensitive when they
haven't played the game. When an athlete drops the well,
you never play the game. And the reason they get
sensitive to it is because it's true. There's a certain
amount of knowledge that you have that we will never have.
And I think when mel Kiper takes the approach that
they've been screwing this up for fifty years, they've been okay.
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So Kyle Shanahan doesn't know how to handle quarterbacks, Sean
mcvayh doesn't know how to handle quarterbacks. Andy Reid has
no experience with quarterbacks. But you're the one who's going
to tell everybody how they got it right and how
they got it wrong. That's the part that bothered me,
is him trying to speak on the outside about how
you should do things when he's never had any experience
inside the building. It just doesn't add up to me.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
No, And again I can give that perspective too, because
there's people out there who watch it, and maybe they
watch because they like to watch and disagree with mel Kiper.
Are they like to try to have a differing opinion
of mel Kuiper. It felt like, again we're talking about
the opportunity to go play football as a professional athlete.
I mean, you can have an impassioned take for a
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player and feel like, hey, he was robbed based on
his talent. And I'll be honest with you again, I
don't have the research and I don't have the insight
as to the interviews outside of what's reported. Okay, so
when I hear stuff like, for example, you brought up
earlier the report from Todd McShay saying that Shade or
Sanders went into Brian Dables meetings and they had gave
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him an install packet beforehand. And just so people understand
how this works. When you go in for a meeting
with a team, they're gonna test you mentally in a
few different ways. And I have played for Brian Dable
in two different stops. Brian Dables a very smart coach
and he wants you to know the offense like the
back of your hand. He taught He taught me a
lot about football and full disclosure, I love Brian Dable.
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He's gonna be hard on you, though mentally specifically as
a quarterback to make sure you are prepared. And what
he does with his system is he equips you with
a toolbox. And I've honestly like applied this to life.
Whereas when you go out, you have answers to fix
something if it's wrong out there in the field, but
if you're not prepared and if you don't know the offense,
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you can't use those tools. Okay, So what most likely happened,
and this probably happened in two different ways, they sent
him a packet beforehand to look at an install packet,
And what they're trying to test in this case is
how fast you can get down an offense to be
able to then regurgitate that. And again, the reason why
the Giants are doing this and then obviously they felt
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more comfortable Jackson Dart is because Jackson Darts probably gonna
start in play. And so they have to test you
on how fast you could take an install and go
out there and then apply it onto the field, because
as an NFL quarterback, you're asked to do that. You
get an install on Wednesday, you go out, you're practicing
it right away, and you're going up against the looks
you're going to see, and some of the stuff could
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be completely new to you. It might be a new
concept that you've never installed an OTA's mini camp or
training camp. So you have to be able to have
that in the back of your mind what you're doing now,
be able to regurgitate that, have full command of the
offense when you go out there on the field to
go practice it, and eventually that day coming up in
the game and they're testing you on that. So if
Shador Sanders got this packet and he didn't study it
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and he didn't really care to learn it know about it,
and when he was testing on it, he didn't show
any effort whatsoever to do it, or it didn't look
like he had studied it, I could see Brian Dabele
getting on him because every other quarterback that they brought
in for workouts and for visits that they did that with,
I'm sure it came prepared and I'm sure it took
a different approach to it. I mean I remember being
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on dry race of board, dry race board sessions when
Brian Dable first got to Cleveland, and he would test
us because we had so many shifts, so many emotions.
That was one category because what you're trying to do
is you're trying to learn the offense. So it's almost
like they're a teacher and they're trying to, you know,
basically segue a segment into you, like how you're going
to learn the offense. So you have like a single
(18:03):
man Roue combination, two man Rau combinations, three man ral combinations,
and you have you know, all five eligible receiver concepts,
and so you would have to memorize every single one
of those within the offense and then list them off.
Then you'd have shifts, motions, formations. You have to lift
list every single one of those off, and we would
literally be sitting Then this is upon like immediate like
trying to you know, do the install learn the offense
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and saying how fast who could be the fastest and
listen them all off, or have a certain amount of
time like sixty seconds to go right as many as
you could have all of it. And because that's what
it's testing you on, they're putting pressure on you. They're
saying how you compete, They're saying how you memorize and
then can reapply all this stuff. So when you get
out there on the field, you're not thinking you're just playing,
and that's one way in which they test quarterbacks. And
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if the reports are true that he wasn't giving effort,
he wasn't prepared, he wasn't well. All right, how's it
going to take it once he's on a team, then,
I mean, this is an interview process. You should be nervous,
you should be anxious. You should feel like I don't
have enough time to do this on your best behavior, right, like, right,
Like that's how you should be. I remember being at
the combine dressing up for interviews with teams and guys
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be like, why are you dressing up? I'm like, dude,
this is an interview, Like, like I want to look
I want to look professional, look presentable. Like you could
do the same thing, there's no difference between us, Like
you could have done the same thing too, but you
decided to wear sweats and you decided to you know,
maybe in some cases wear headphones. Right, that was one
of the things that came out. Or he took a
FaceTime you know, video or turning an interview like we
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had cell phones back then. You didn't dare bring it
at any point in time ever into a meeting, let
alone answer it. So Is there a chance that because
he rubbed so many teams the wrong way with the
way he interviewed and the way he conducted himself, that
he dropped. Yeah yeah, maybe maybe that's real because when
I watched the tape, I don't view him as a
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fifth round pick or fifth round talent. I know other
people will argue, hey, he doesn't have the arm strength
or whatever else. You don't have to have the strongest
arm of play in the NFL. He can layer throws,
He's an accurate passer. Does he hold onto the ball
too long? Sure? You know, does he take off and
run when he probably should or could he work on
that part of his game?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But I don't see him as a fifth round talent.
Now I don't know know I saw him as a
first round talent either, but that was maybe for a
lot of the quarterbacks in this draft. So again, for
mel Kiper, it takes such a strong stance. It felt
like there was more behind it than just defending his
mock or defending his opinion. It's almost like he was
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motivated to somebody. I mean, look, it made for great TV,
but I do think he's misdiagnosing where NFL teams, or
they do it wrong, not get it wrong. Where they
do it wrong, it's not their evaluation. They evaluate, you know,
people in personnel, they understand it better than anyone else,
or they misses how they then get those guys and
develop them. There's not enough time spent on that, and
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that's where teams mess it up.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like and we've talked to Pete Prisco about this as
well too, and we would ask this during the course
of the season, like, you know, Pete, which which pick
did you make that you were on the right side
of it, it didn't go well, which is a more elaborate,
more elaborate way of saying, my pick was wrong, but
it's not my fault. They screwed up. It's like, no,
(21:17):
you screwed up. It's not them, it's you. And I
do it as well too, but I acknowledge, Yeah, I'm
being a little bit of a wise ass. It's like
man like, no, like not everybody. It's not like four
or five teams passed on him. Everybody passed on him,
including the Browns, and took another quarterback over him. There's
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got to be something to it, Like, it's not like
when that many it's like the Deshaun Watson accusations like really,
they're they're all lying, like all of them got it
like no, you it would point to your evaluation was
wrong and you to get his worked up and hot
and bothered about it. I don't know if he had
money on it. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
But christ Man, relax, I know, I know, and you know,
to go in if he had had, you know, and
done what maybe John Gruden had done with someone, which
I did. Did John Gruden do a quarterback thing? What
should do? I don't think so, which is odd, right,
Like so many other quarterbacks did Jackson Dart did. I
don't know that Cam Warred did, quin Youwers did, Quinn
Yours did? Will Howard did? I mean, there's a number
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Riley Leonard did, and that's you know. I guess you
could say it it's a risk to do it, but
I gotta be honest with you. I feel like it's
not a risk at all in the sense of I
think John Gruden builds a lot of those guys up,
and a lot of what you see that comes out
on social media, comes out on TV is positive more
than anything else. So I don't really understand the risk
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of that. And there's a number of players that dropped
in this draft who decided not to work out in
any capacity or not run a forty like Will Johnson,
the outstaying quarterback out of Michigan, end up going to
what the second round. Yeah, and he's a player that
was like that dude right there, that's a that's a
first round talent player like that guy can be a
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lockdown cornerback. Now, I don't know that he did everything,
and some people say it was injury related. Some people
there's other players that it wasn't. They just chose not to.
And this was a Marvin Harrison junior thing that started
where you know, you weren't gonna do everything because the
tape was so good. What else you need to evaluate on? Well, okay,
that's fine, But then don't get upset if you drop
in the draft when your competition is doing everything, when
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they go to these formal interviews and everything else that
you're a part of. Like when I slid in the
draft and you know, the Dolphins are at nine, it's
kind of where we thought we're gonna end up, and
we've talked about kind of that scenario. But you know,
I went down to the Senior Bowl just for a day,
just to say hi and meet people, because I knew
at that time I wasn't going to plan I wasn't
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physically able to with my knee from our bowl game.
You know, I went to the Combine. I did everything
that I could do at the Combine during my time there,
and when I was done, you know, headed out, I
was I was going to try to throw at the
Pro Day, try to give myself another week to heal
up so my knee felt better, a little more stable,
and then I eventually was going to test for everyone
a month later, which I still wasn't one hundred percent,
but it was like as good as I was going
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to be before the draft. So that's all you really
could do. That's why it was abnormal for us to
have the two prote's we did that year. We basically
had two, and that was why. But we just didn't advertise.
I didn't want people to know that I hurt my knee.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I was.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I was worried about the perception of that. So you know,
you there's there's a bunch of different reasons why guys
do or don't do things, but more often than not,
it's like agents getting in their ear telling and like, oh,
you don't need to you're solidified in this or you're
doing that. It's like, no, it's a competition, it's an interview.
I mean, if you can do all you can to
put your best foot forward. And I just I don't
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know that that was the case with Shador Sanders, and
people will say, well, like oh, they just don't like
it as confidence and the don't know how it carries himself.
I'm like, okay, but stops. There's other players and guys too,
who are confident, how they carry themselves, how they talkt
Camboard is one of the most you know, confident young
men you'll be around. You can see it, and how
he plays, you can see how it could you know,
carries himself. But he's all about ball. He keeps the
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main thing the main thing. And I don't know that
people have concerns about that with Shador, like is football
everything to him? If it is, it feels like when
you're trying to launch a brand legendary during the NFL
Draft that like it's not as much of a priority
for you in that sense.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, did you see Will Campbell, Like that was
a guy if anybody was criticized and judged for physical
deficiencies before the draft. They basically said to people, he
was a t Rex going into the draft. He gets
drafted and this is a big ass top offensive lineman
in the draft who played at a high level throughout
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his career, and he was weeping on stage because he
was so happy. Like that's a guy you look at
and go, all right, that really meant a lot to him.
And so I just think there is something like Cam
skataboove like when he finally got drafted, like there's there
is something to that. And you know, I think you
had mentioned Jay Glazer pointed that out, that that's one
of the other things, you know, the off field traits
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that people look at. You know, do you love football?
And it's a fair question to ask. And so now
he's gonna be in Cleveland with your brownies in a
in a jam pack quarterback room. By the way, that's
a reality show. Somebody hit a gameraund that quarterback room.
I know.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I just I'm really curious to see how they divide
up reps. Like I just I've said this all along.
You're not preparing anyone. If you're trying to prepare four
guys to see who the starter is gonna be, and
they go in and do it. It's just I've never
been a fan of it. It's a recipe for disaster.
You need to have one voice. I mean, it's one
of the reasons why the Giants took Jackson Dart trade
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up in the first round and they announced that Russell
Wilson's our starter. Like there, it's a clear communication. It's
clear to every in the locker room, this is our
guy until we tell you he's not. And that that
could happen during the course of the season, could happen
through injury, it can happen a bunch of different ways.
But until he's not, Russell Wilson's the starter. Jackson Dart
is the future. Jameis Winston will come if there's injuries
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and else needs to take place. He's very capable. That
organization is it's much more clear cut what they're playing
as a quarterback than the Cleveland Browns right now. Yea,
And that sets you up when there's lack of clarity
for a disastrous season. Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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made a late round selection Tyler Loop. He's a placekicker
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out of Arizona and in the sixth round they decided
to draft him, which is interesting because they haven't done
that before. And when you have somebody who's projected to
potentially be a Hall of Famer in Justin Tucker, why
would you be drafting a placekicker even though he had
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a little bit of a rough year. Oh, that's right,
because there's still that investigation that's going on with all
the accusations of shenanigans at massage and massage places and
spas and grab labs or whatever you want to call
it in the Baltimore area. This does feel like the
Ravens are expecting that after this investigation, maybe they're gonna
(29:15):
have to part ways with Justin Tucker.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it looks like it's heading in
that direction. You know, draft capital is so valued for
so many teams, and I've always said, you know, hey,
if you can find Tom Brady in the sixth round,
you know why you drafting a kicker, why you're drafting
a pun or why you're drafting you know, one of
those guys. If you can find a guy that eventually
(29:38):
became the greatest of all time, and you know, you
better make them earn it as a free agent and
there's not as much of a financial tie to them
in spending some of that draft capital on it. But
that's not the case here. I mean they've done something
they've never done before. They target a player they feel
like can come in and be the guy to replace
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what's going to be a All of Famer. I don't
think there's any question about it. Justin Tucker is one
of the greatest kickers to ever come through the NFL,
and he will be a Hall of Famer when that happens.
I have no idea, but I don't think you can.
I mean, I don't think you can even challenge that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Do you think he'll still be a Hall of Famer
with this stuff hanging over his head?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I mean, it obviously depends on how things work itself out,
But just looking at his resume on the field, how
about that he's putting up all right? When when you
were how many times? Is five time All Pro and
First Team All Pro? I should say, you know, probably
eight a time First Team. We've made a ton of
Pro Bowls, and I think we all we all viewed
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him as the standard to at some point, Oh, you know,
as far as like if the game was on the line,
you knew Justin Tucker would be able to make that kick.
I mean, he's kicked a sixty six yarder before, so
he's state disclaim on the field for what he's been
as a kicker. But I think between how how poorly
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he kicked last year and then on top of everything
else that's going on off the field, you know, all
that's gotten to the point where maybe it just feels
like it's time and it's unfortunate. But you know, with
everything else going on, it seems like it's all headed
in that direction.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, there's uh, I mean because there has been some
speculation maybe that's why Robert Kraft is uh, you know,
hasn't gotten into the Hall of Fame yet. That there's
you know, his little issue that he had happened in
Down of Florida, that movie.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's about Bobby Orchids. Yeah, that is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, maybe, uh, maybe old Bobby. Oh you know that
that that I think he went there twice once before
an AFC title game. That his visits down there to
Organs of Asia, you know, may have may be part
of the reason why he's not in the Hall of
Fame at this point in time, He's got all the credentials,
I mean, Jerry Jones in the Hall of Fames and
he's doubled them up in Super Bowls and and for
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some reason he's still not there. So so that could
be some of that. By the way, did you have
to see the Bill Belichick sit down interview on CBS's Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
My first question was why. I don't know why, Like
what was odd about it and what became interesting about
the sit down was just how many things that they
didn't want to talk about. It's like, well, then why
do you agree to the interview in the first place.
Do not have any idea what they were going to
ask about or that you the personal life might come up,
since that's one of the more interesting things about Bill
(32:28):
Belichick at this point in time.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
The guy who was interviewing him pointed out, He's like, yeah,
there's one, you know, there's some video. There's some pictures
on social media. One where you're dressed up as a
fisherman and she's a mermaid on the sand, just the
way he's describing, and Belichick's Belichick's sitting there and a
navy sweatshirt with holes in it. He's just being pulled
it out of a car. Yeah, he's the guy's describing
(32:54):
Belichick doing role play on the beach somewhere for Instagram
where he's a fisherman and she's a mermaid. And then
when they asked, he was so, how'd you guys meet?
She's in the background going, we're not talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
This, which which has gone viral because most people now
are speculating how they meet. And again, I think Bill
Belichick would have would have been better off answering that
question than her because her immediately shutting that down as
compared to Belichick shutting that down because that's what he's
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always done. I mean, when he doesn't want to talk
about something, he hasn't talked about something. But now since
she's entering the limelight and she's entering the picture and
she's answering for him, there's people speculating like, oh okay,
because in different parts of the country they don't want
to talk about it for certain reasons, you know, like
that that's just the reality of it. So that actually
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is the thing that went most viral, got the biggest
response purely because everyone has suspectually now about how they met.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
How do you think they met? What's your theory?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Do you think it's like, you know, that's unfair? Lorena, Okay,
what that's unfair? I guess was escort. Yeah, that's unfair.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think that's most people's speculation, which is it's upsetting.
That was normal People do it all the time. Oh well,
I'm not gonna say that's normalized, but I'm going to
say that why can't love exists between two people who
are like fifty years apart on us? You know, like
that's that's what hurts me, is like, this could be
an incredible love story. You know, maybe it was raining
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outside and she was going to cross the street and
wasn't paying attention, trying to block the rain from her eyes,
and there happened to be a puddle. Yeah, and maybe
Bill Belichick having to be walking by. I was like,
oh my goodness, this beautiful young woman is going to
step in her beautiful stiletto heel in a puddle. And
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he laid down his coat or laid down some newspaper
that it just happened to be carrying with him to
make sure that she didn't step in the puddle. And
then it kind of started from there. The chivalrous act
ended up leading to a conversation that you know, really
intrigued her and piqued her interest with their love for
football and all the deep knowledge that he has, and
they come to find a lot of commonalities and maybe
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they like the same foods and obviously doing fun stuff
on the beach together.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
She could have been busting tables at that Chick fil
A in Atlanta after he interviewed for the Falcons job.
We don't know. Listen, I met my wife at a
chili cookoff. There's like, there's no judgment here, really, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
How did she hang with you? I mean, your stumma
can't handle anything, But you went through a chili cookoff
and you resisted farting in front of her and just
dusting her away from you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh I didn't need the chili, No, no, no, I
knew better. Okay, I knew better. Yeah. I was going
there to uh you know, it's like a carnival going
I was going there to take home a prize and
I did and I did.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
But yeah, so wait, you you went to a chili
cookoff to pick up chicks?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, yeah, why else did you go for the food?
You're going to have in me.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I've never heard that before ever.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right, Yeah, that's how it works. Plus it was too expensive.
I was broke, so it was just easier to not eat.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
At that point, you got problem. But you just think
about that, You're going to a chili cookoff with other
chicks who's probably out of chili. And so if you
if there's any thought, what your ever, whatsoever in your head,
this is gonna get intimate. At some point, you're now
running the risk of eating whatever is coming out of them.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, keep drinking, just lay whatever, ignore, ignore what's going on,
you know.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Just keep on gas out.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Oh yeah, that's that's fine. But after seventeen beers, everything's fine.
Chili cook off to pick up chicks, Yeah, it worked.
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Speaker 2 (37:26):
Please might smell a little fun case, How does that
sounds incredible?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
But they're still good.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Time to find out what's lack?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's Lee's lap, Joe, all.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Right, the lap? What do we got?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Well, something that's developing right now I'm reading about is
big power outages over the countries of Spain and Portugal.
So unfortunately those are trying to listen to us on
certain medium mediums won't be able to But at least
they have the iHeartRadio app so if they have that,
they could still listen to us live on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean they're in Spain, Portugal, that's I mean, that's
what's important, not about food going bad or people suffering.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Hospitals power plants, subways, traffic lights, and the whole infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Is down with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
So you got to just hunker in place, you know,
be safe, look after each other, and put on some
two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
You are a class act. You get your priorities though.
That's important though, Yeah, absolutely so. I hope not that
they can hear us, but hope everybody out there, you know,
is safe and sound.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Yeah, speaking of letting people know, traffic nightmare. Today in La,
we've got the Dodgers playing Miami. We've got Beyonce at
Sofi Stadium, some guy named Raoul Alejandro at Intoit Dome.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Where would you rather be if you had to pick
between the three?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Not there? Not anywhere there?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Nope, okay, So the options are Raoul Bonez into It,
Beyonce at Sofi, and what's the other one? Dodgers and
Miami Dodgers. Come on, man, Yeah, Caulse, you love the Dodgers.
I'm just don't like the other two. Not that I
(39:02):
don't like him, I'm just not a fan. I do
want to check out into it. I haven't seen into
it thmm yet. Oh, so you'd rather go there? Than
go see Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You're a liar, That's yeah, that's true. Welly, I was
going to say, like, did you going there just to
see the venue even though it doesn't matter it's performing.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, I mean I am going to pick Beyonce.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Thanks to pick Beyonce, all right, what else we do?
I also picked Beyonce. Guys, fun fact I learned. You know,
I love these things like hair of the dogs. What
about shot of whiskey?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Did you know?
Speaker 5 (39:30):
It comes from the old Westerns where uh, a cartridge
of a forty five for a six gun was twelve
cents same shot, same price as a thimble of whiskey.
Hence now we call it a shot of whiskey. Really Yeah,
old Westerns, if they didn't have the money, they would
exchange a cartridge at the at the bar to the
bartender and he'd give him a shot.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Of whiskey in a thimble. Yeah, it was just it's
tiny shot glass. Wow, I know, I.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Throw out of the bullets, right, you open yourself up
to get absolutely taken out. Hold fashioned shootout.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
You know what's law? Some of you had a shot
of whiskey.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, I got let's do it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's all have a shot of whiskey right now, twenty
four hours late.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
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