Jason Fitz & Buck Reising Talk NBA Finals Insanity, Shemar Stewart's Holdout & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. I don't get it.
I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I feel like every single time we talk about the
NBA Finals, all we talk about is why Oklahoma City's
gonna run away with it? And then all Indiana does
is find a way to make it a series. And
now after one game, suddenly the sky is falling.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Did I miss something?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
We are sitting in the middle of an epic final
between two teams that look wildly evenly matched. We're at
two games each, and people are trying to tell me
it's over. I'm not buying any of that. It is
just getting started. Is a Fox Sports Saturday. He's Buck Rising.
I'm Jason Fitz's Bucking Fits doing a takeover coming at

(00:45):
you live from the Fox Sports Radio studio, and I'm
gonna be a.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Beacon of Lake. I'm gonna be a beacon of hope.
I Am going to be the pastor, the pastor of
all things hopeful for one Buck Rising, because Buck, sitting
across from me is wearing a sad boy radio hat
ind a fan not feeling good about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Buck needs a hugging. I'm here to give you one,
because Buck, this is the thing that bothers me.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Everybody keeps telling me, well, now that Oklahoma City won
this game, oh, it's gotta be over. I mean, you
can't go in and win. Two out of the next
three are gonna be in Oklahoma City?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Did I miss something? Indiana already won a game in
Oklahoma City. What the hell are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
This series at this point should be officially called unpredictable.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
And that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Everybody telling you they think they know what's gonna play
out in the in the next three games is basing
that on everything that got us to the opinions we
had before Game one, which was this is going to
be a slaughter.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It hasn't been that at any stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So I don't understand why the world is just grasping
to give up on the Pacers.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
A couple of things.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
If you try to hug me, we can fighty.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
You got no street credit that if you beat me
in a fight, no street credit.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Now I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
I just understand trust and no hear the seriousness in
my voice. If you try to hug me to console
me after my basketball team last night lost in terrible fashion.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Because I love mathin and.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Thirty points off the bench is wonderful, and I can't
celebrate him for one thing and then rip him for
missing free throws at the end of the game that
was infinitely winnable last night.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
But I'm gonna do it anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Understand and know that I am going to mourn this
basketball team losing, even though the series is tied to
too Fitzy, if you'd have told me to to two
going back to OKC, I'd.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Have been thrilled. I would have been a post coital.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I'd need to smoke a cigarette and celebration after the fact.
Absolutely in any other circumstance except the way that they
lost that basketball game last night. It's just disheartening to
lose it at the end. I give yourself every opportunity
and then to squander set opportunities in infinitely correctible moments
free throws is such a terrible way to lose a

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basketball game, and it drives me insane. I do feel
good about the Indiana Pacers. I feel like most people
who are watching this series and not just trafficking in
the narratives that OKAC was coming in with and understanding
that this would listen. If the Pacers end up winning
the series and winning this NBA Finals. It's gonna be
one of the biggest upset upsets in NBA history, especially

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when you looked at how overwhelming the money was on
OKAC basically the whole way through, but certainly at the
start of the Finals when the matchup was set. I
reserve the right to more in my basketball team today.
You don't get to make me feel good. If I
don't want to feel good about this, I refuse.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, look a couple of things here.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Number one, if anybody walks up to you right now
and tells you what Vegas thinks of this series, you
have by permission to slap them in the face like
bugs bunny for a duel. Because every single time, oh Man,
Oklahoma City is a big favorite. After Game one, all right,
and then Indiana windsay game well, according to Vegas, Oklahoma
City is still going to roll in this thing.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Now we get to another win in the series, so
it doesn't really matter. Vegas tells us, Oh, I get it.
I get the Vegas things.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oklahoma City is better than Indiana, But have we actually seen.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That throughout the course of this series. I keep hearing.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Smart minds saying, well, I'm just waiting for Oklahoma City
to be who we know Oklahoma City can be. And
I'm thinking maybe it's time for us to take the
opposite approach. Maybe it's time to admit that Indiana is
disruptive enough that it's not usually the version of OKAC
that we're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And to your point, while this series sits at two, too.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
This was in, as you just said, incredibly winnable game
right Like, I was watching that game with about five
minutes left and I was thinking, Man, Indiana might win
this whole series in five at this point like this
is remarkable.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I cannot believe what we're seeing now.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Obviously a herculean effort by Shay Gilgess, Alexander should not
be overlooked in Oklahoma City. Well, do you just hate
the mid range jumper or.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Do you just hate? I hate?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I hate all of it.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Now, I'm very jealous that they have a player like that.
That's really that's the only discernible way that Oklahoma City
is better than Indiana is that they have the best
player on the floor. Anyway, I didn't mean it to
go ahead. I don't they do have the best Off
my chest, it's been roiling in my body for about
eighteen hours now.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, and last night, look, refs make good calls, refs
make bad calls. I never blame officials, but that being said,
I'm about to blame an official.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Like the number of times like the foul late in
the game was I thought a little who And then
there were.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
A couple of times that I felt like they were
playing target practice with some of the Indiana guys.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
And just throwing them off the court, and there were
no calls on this. So I look back at this
game and say, man, it could have gone either way.
And if you're telling me that we.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Have a series tied to two to two and now
we've had what two or three of those games that
could have gone out of the four, at least.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Three of those games could have gone either way. I
cannot make a.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Proclamation of dominance towards one team over the other when
we've had three of the four games.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Be anybody's guests on who's gonna win?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
And I just think like, we got to stop playing
Solitaire and start watch to the games.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
That was a dig. We got to make sure that
we're actually paying.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Attention to what we see in this series and not
what we thought we were gonna see. That's one of
the things I say all the time about our job.
When you host radio or you talk about sports for
a living, it is essentially your job to give a
book report. Where at the end of every chapter you've
got to give a book report. And what does that mean.
That means sometimes the information has changed so much that
you may have loved the book after the first chapter,

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but by the fifth chapter it sucks, right, So.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
You have to be willing to let your opinions evolve.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I thought, okay, See was a better team, a much
better team coming into this series. I did not think
it would be the matchup nightmare it has been. But
what have we seen over the course of this series
that every single game there's ebbs and flows, there's little leads,
Indiana finds a way to chip their way back, and
then we come down to the last three or four
minutes of a basketball game. I cannot make a declaration
that the Pacers are dead when the fact is, in

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every one of these games but one, it has come
down to the wire where none of us knew who
was going to win.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
It turns out they just need to be down twenty
at any given point to be able to win.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
These games comfortably. Here's the problem with this.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I'm not going to be able to do this analysis
as an objective observer. I've got I've got too much fitcy.
The only thing in my life that I care about
still as a fan, the only thing that still touches
my cold black sports heart is Indiana basketball, the Fever,
the Pacers, and the Indiana Hoosiers, who are the worst
basketball team of the state and ironically enough, my favorite.
But I guess when it comes down to all the

(07:26):
things that you're describing and and looking kind of by
the way, is it a dig if you get I don't.
I know, we're not doing pole questions or anything like
that tonight, maybe we do. Is it a dig if
you have to go out and point point out that
it is a dig when you're taking shots of people
about watching Sarah Solitaire or playing Solitaire during the address

(07:47):
in the game the course of the game that NBA. Okay,
I just I wanted to make sure. I just wanted
to make sure we're all on the same page.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Here.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
My my issue with the way that this game is
being or this series has been talked about, and the
way that these games are being broken down. Is that
you're just looking, at least in my view of the coverage,
as somebody who cannot be objective here. It's just like
they're they're they're looking for reasons to talk about Oklahoma

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City at any given turn, and what's going on with
Oklahoma City and what's wrong with Oklahoma City. And this
is not new to sports coverage. It's it's typically the case,
especially when it comes down to small market teams like these,
in the way that they're discussed, and how much of
the NBA NYL is going to be viewed if it's
Oklahoma City and the Indiana Pacers and things like that,
and there are you know, quantifiable metrics to show us

(08:37):
that the country may not be as interested in this
despite it being excellent, excellent basketball. I'm just I'm as
a basketball fan, I'm in love with watching these two teams.
As an Indiana Pacers fan, I'm in hell because every
every turn, I can't help but feel, even though I
know I'm wrong in a couple of these situations, that

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the coverage is biased against my team and it makes
me insane.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I can't I can't watch it.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
I had I lost my mind I made a public
scene in a bar in downtown Nashville last night in Germantown.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
I apologize to everybody who.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Was in the vicinity of me as I was drinking
a gallon of tequila soda, watching my basketball team lose
on free throws, and then ripping heaters after the fact,
because it made me today.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
I an mad. I just I can't control this part
of me, and.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
I don't know that I'm going to be able to
get through three hours of serious analysis that way.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
This is amazing. He's buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
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(09:52):
you were?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So that was your worst moment you've had your worst.
My worst moment was not.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
In public the Tuck rule game. I was luckily in public.
I was at an ex's house that knew it wasn't
going to work out because her parents were super quiet,
religious and didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Really like sports. And I watched the tuck roll happen
sitting in their basement and they didn't allow swearing in
their house.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So, and you know me, I.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Swear like a sailor. And so I'm just sitting there
and I have to watch this thing go down. And
at the end of it, while I'm sitting silently trying
to compose myself, sitting next to her mom, her mom
just looks.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
At me and says, what's a big deal. It's just
a game. That just that was it. That was the
end of my relationship with their Melt.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
The hell down on that woman. Respectfully, I'm sure she's lovely.
I'm sure that they're there, their priorities are alive.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
She was, No, she wasn't. There's nothing lovely about that woman.
I'd just say nothing lovely.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
But my best moment uh the a few years ago
when the Raiders beat the Chargers to go to the playoffs.
She may remember that was right around the college football playoff.
I was there covering the college football playoff for ESPN
and we had no team access. So the night be
the night of the game, everybody went to the hotel
bar in Indy. Actually ironically that's connected to the stadium.

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We were all in the hotel bar, and you ended
up with everybody. I knew it, like all the SEC
Network people, ESPN people, and the whole bar was channing
my name at the end. Because the Raiders won the
game in overtime to go to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
It was electric.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's first time in my life I've ever looked and
I literally looked at the bartender and I bought the
entire bar around the shots at Tequila. That's the first
time in.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
My life I've ever had a bar tab that was
over a thousand dollars. And you know what it was worth,
every penny of a great moment. So see, like sometimes.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
In public, you can if you'd have won last night,
you'd have bought the whole Germantown bar around a shot nice.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
It's true. I went from Happy Shots. I was fully
prepared to buy Happy Shots, and then I went very
quickly to have it. Now the benefit of this was
there were sad shots being bought for me because people
felt so badly for me for how publicly I melted down.
I had a couple of listeners to the local show
come up to me and be like, you are you okay?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Are you going to make it?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
They're like, who had been watching me out of the
corner of their eye just screaming at Ben matherin the
entire time he's missing those free throws at the end
of the game. My best public moment would probably be
that Indiana upset of Kentucky Anthony.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Davis a couple of years ago. That would have been
my freshman year of college.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
That's that's as close to that's as close to heaven
as I'm gonna get at this point in my life.
I I SND it into the rafters of Assembly Holland.
You know, Fortunately for me, I was also surrounded by
Indiana fans to also appreciate that moment, So it was
it was less It was less about me in that
moment as it was about the collective experience. Never have
I had somebody start to chant my name in a bar, though,

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that has to be special.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, Well, that also speaks to just how much it
sucks to.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Be a Raiders fan, and for being honest. We'll get
to the rest of the crew's thoughts on best and
worst public moments. It's a funny thing tweet us too.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
You can tweet us your best or worst public moment
watching your favorite team at Jason Fitz at Buck Rising
at Fox Sports Radio have a little bit of fun
with that.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Over the course of it.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Buck just mentioned something about the coverage of this particular
series that I do think is questionable, and I think
there's plenty of people failing the NBA more than the
NBA is failing us. I'll explain what we meet, what
we mean. Coming up, He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz.
It's a Bucket Fitz Takeover on Fox Sports Saturday on
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Speaker 5 (13:28):
Sometimes you gotta admit when you have blind spots like
FITZI Fitzy's got to know that he's probably eating sweet
treats that are mostly made for teething toddlers as opposed
to the world's elite. For me, it's consuming the coverage
of the NBA Finals, where the Indiana Pacers fell last

(13:50):
night in tragic fashion because I'm an Indiana Pacers fan.
Welcome back to Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
He's Jason Fitz.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
I'm Buck Rising, hanging out here with you for the
next couple of hours. Pacers lose to the Oklahoma City
Thunder in Game four in Indianapolis one eleven, one oh
four shake Gilgis Alexander was excellent, and if it was
just that that I lost to, it would be fine.
But it's this nagging feeling that I can't help experience

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as a fan of a team that the coverage is
biased against my team. And FITZI you were remarking on
that or that peaked your interest in hearing me talk
about that. Because I'm a rational, reasonable in most situations
sports media professional I have been for the past decade
of my life. I am very easily able to be

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objective in almost any other situation, except when it comes
to the coverage of my team. And even though I
know some of these slights are imagined in my own head,
I wonder what your experience is like watching this series,
which is a great basketball series objectively, even if me
being in this two to two situation, going back to

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OKC for Game five has put me in the seventh
circle of hell.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So I feel like the broadcast partners of the NBA
have failed the NBA pretty substantially throughout the course of
this Finals. And to me, when I think about the NFL,
you are in Nashville with the Titans. You know the
Titans incredibly well. We all know that the Titans don't
really move the needle. That being said, if the Titans
this year were to start the season twelve and zero,

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would ESBN, Fox, NFL network, Would they be devoting hours
and hours and hours and hours of coverage to an
undefeated Titans team, Yes, they would maybe by the time
they got to that.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Even you, who has seeing the metrics on these things,
knows damn well that the Tennessee Titans would be very
quickly talked about and then very quickly shuffled to the
side stop.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
That if the Titans were headed to the super Bowl,
everybody would be talking about it like they would by
the time the Titans got to Super Bowl, they would
be a sexy story.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's what That's what we do like as.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
A media, we figure out how to blow up the
guys that are just you know, this team might not
might not have been on everybody's list coming in, but
now they are, everybody will focus on them. I just
feel like, what happens here, And you know, if we're
being honest, I've told you before, I don't think most
people covering the NBA number one have been watching Indiana
for months, right, So when we get into the playoffs,

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that's when people start to learn about Indiana because realistically,
if we're being transparent, nobody's sitting there saying, oh, November,
I really got to talk about the Pacers game tomorrow.
So that on top of the fact that watch the
way the sport is talked about in general, when you're
watching an NBA show, how often do you actually see

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a Ryan Clark slash Dan Orlovsky play breakdown of what happened,
why it happened, with this person gonna move here?

Speaker 7 (16:53):
Like?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
How often are they going to the teleprompter on any
of these shows to really break down the who, the why,
the what.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
The when the how of any of it? They don't, right,
So what they want to do is they want to
focus on the stars, and the problem that you have
in this series when it comes to talking about it
is there are only two stars, right, Like you've got
one on each team. Now, I would argue that if
this were football, by the time we got to the
NBA Finals, they would have made somebody like Siakam such

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a story. Everybody would have told Siakam story over and
over and over again. We'd be exhausted by it. We'd
just be like, shut up about Siakam, just show us
the damn game. They don't really do that.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like, even right now, when we go into next week's
coverage from the network partner that airs these games, from ESPN,
how much time are they going to spend on get
up actually talking about anybody not named Sga or Tyrese Halibert,
And the answer is basically none. And then they'll wing
right over to the Cowboys and Aaron Rodgers, right Like
that's just what happens. So part of the reason that

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I think you feel like the coverage is being is
being shifted more towards Oklahoma City is that they have
the MVP. And so it's like when the narrative on
one guy is he's the MVP and the only other
person that has a narrative in this series that any
casual fan even knows is that he is overrated.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
What the hell do you do with that?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Like, I don't think that's a fair narrative, And I
think there's a real opportunity for smart basketball people to
go on TV and tell.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Us great stories about what makes.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Some of these guys click and why it's working so
well in the playoffs. Like you are an Indiana fan,
tell me a single show on any network that you
have watched at all throughout the course of the playoffs
that has given you a here's why you should love
this Indiana team and the way they're playing other than
the name Tyre's Halibert.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
And the answer is none of them.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Not on national television.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
No.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
I would give a shout out to Ryan Roussillo and
his podcast for The Ringer. They do an excellent job
covering smart basketball, right, and Ryan has provid Ryan always
provides good coverage about the NBA playoffs and the NBA.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Regular season, but he watches games of the regular season. Right.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
That's the kind of example that you're talking about, And
whether you consider that to be relegated to the world
of podcast obviously, he Rasillo is doing very very well
for himself, so it's not like he's had anything like that.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
To your point, diehards, that's why diehard NBA fans don't
watch mainstream media. Diehard NBA fans go to pods because
Bill Simmons and The Ringer and Ryan Rossilla like, there's
a bunch of guys out there the low Post, like
a bunch of guys that have done really good podcasts
for years that are deep dives. NBA fans go there.
Championships are not for diehards. Championships are for casuals. So
in this moment, casuals need some sort of a reason

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to fall in love with these teams, and I just
don't think that ESPN or TNT, frankly, throughout their course
of the coverage, did a good job at all of
making casual fans fall in love with either of these teams.
So now we feel like, hey, it's a boring final
because that's what's been shoved down our throats. All we
hear is the ratings conversation.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
There's been no good storytelling about anybody else.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, and that part is particularly exhausting for me, and
again speaking from the fan, for scon I've got my
sad boy radio hat on today because I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Wearing all black. I'm mourning my team that lost last.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Night like it's a damn funeral, Okay, because this means
something very very deeply to me. So I'm invested by
default making the rest of the country fall in love
or be invested in the success or the failure of
the Oklahoma City Thunder or the Indiana Pacers. Beyond the
MVP conversation is it is a tough sell, right, I

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completely acknowledge that. So it's not an easy situation necessarily
whether or not the network broadcast partners have.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Done it sufficiently.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
I just think that there are good stories, good basketball
stories everywhere and for some reason, and you know, I
don't want to pin this on the audience because that
seems a bit unfair, But the networks are just doing
where they're seeing the most engagement, right, So they're following
the breadcrumbs that the audience is leaving for them. They're
being reactive instead of proactive and setting the narrative as

(20:58):
a result. For me, it's really bothersome because that's been
what the NBA coverage has been for for years. At
this point, it's so much more about the drama and
the tmzenus of the league as it is about the
actual basketball that if you want the actual basketball analysis,
you have to go elsewhere. And it's not like podcasts
are not mainstream media in today's day and age, where

(21:21):
the media environment has never been more fractured, and you
can find this stuff, right, But the fact that I
got to go out of my way to find the actual,
actually great basketball analysis for me to understand at a
deeper level what's happening in any given series or what's
going on, why Jalen Williams is so effective in these moments,
why Alex Caruso is such a great role player for

(21:43):
the Thunder. All the different things, the metrics, all the
stuff that I want as a fan because I want
to be more informed.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
About what's going on in the game.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
I got to go elsewhere to find it because otherwise
it's just going to be about overrated or underrated. Even
though Halliburton, for the way that he's performed, I don't
even know this. You can have the overrated conversation around
him at this point in time and.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't know. It's I don't know how to fix
the problem.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Because they're just reacting to what the audience wants, and
it just creates this never ending cycle of nonsense where
it's not real basketball conversation being had.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
And two solid examples. Tim Legler has always done a
great job of deep dive breakdowns. ESPN started using him
less when I was like Flegs, and I remember distinctly
when Jay Williams was on the Morning show after I
was on the morning show at ESPN and he was
doing some deep dive stuff. The bosses actually came to
him and said, stop, nobody knows what you're talking about,
like keep it, keep it surface. And so you're right,

(22:36):
part of this is the audience, but part of it
is just it's got to be the storytelling. With that
being said, there's a specific example of what's happening right
now in the way the NBA is structured. We'll get
to that in a second, but first, Steve Disager, get
us caught up on what is going on in the.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
World of sports. Hello, gentlemen.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
Sam Burns leads the US Open by one stroke. Adam
Scott is tied for second place at Oakmond, Pennsylvania. Have
Victor Hoblin is three back game five of The Stanley
Cup Final is underway and scoreless in the early minutes.
Florida at Edmonton series tied at two. In the WNBA today,
Caitlin Clark returned for missing five games with a string

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quad had twenty five points just in the first half.
Indiana eventually beat New York one oh two eighty eight.
New York had been nine to zero. Clark finished with
thirty two points. Minnesota is ten to one after beating
LA one oh one seventy eight. The NBA Finals continue Monday.
Indiana at Oklahoma City series tied at two. The Rockets
reportedly gave center Steven Adams a three year extension. At

(23:33):
College Baseball's World Series. Number three Arkansas getting shut out
three not thing vice number six seed LSU. That's a
first round matchup tonight. Top of the fifth inning. UCLA
took its tournament opener today six to four over Murray
State to Major League Baseball on Fox TV for most
of the country from Boston. The Red Sox lead the
Yankees two to nothing in the top of the fifth.

(23:55):
At Arizona, it's Diamondbacks over the Padres three to one.
In the bottom of the fifth, the padreser two back
of the leaders in the NLS. The Giants and Dodgers
are tied for first in that division. Giants beat him
in La last night. They'll rematch tonight in the late
game ten pm Eastern time. Clayton Kershaw on the mound
for the Dodgers. The other late game, just over an

(24:15):
hour from now, will have Cleveland at Seattle Atlanta be
Colorado four to one. The Rockies record thirteen and fifty six.
Their offense had four hits, four for thirty two at
the plate with nineteen strikeouts, and the winning pitcher, Spencer Strider,
who had been great before injury, was zero to five
this year era of about five and a half, but

(24:36):
against the Rockies, thirteen strikeouts in six innings and no
runs allowed. The A's won four to nothing. At Kansas City,
five straight losses for the Royals, their offense went four
for thirty one with twelve K's Saint Louis won eight
to five at Milwaukee in the ninth. Brothers Wilson and
William Contreras each hit solo homers, one for Saint Louis,

(24:58):
one for Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
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Speaker 1 (25:28):
I one more, just quick button and bow. I want
to put on the conversation we were just having.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
The funny thing is metrics matter, So Buck to your point, mainstream,
like the way basketball is consumed I think by Diehard
is typically on podcasts and YouTube. There's no doubt about that, right,
we all know that. I've talked about that before. But
what's interesting is then we do get these numbers on
TV ratings for the finals, and everybody loses their minds.

(25:56):
And the problem is they haven't figured out an aggregate way.
And this is a little inside baseball, but I'll give
you an example of this. When Pat McAfee joined ESPN.
Instead of giving people a traditional TV rating for Pat
in the beginning because it might not have been the strongest.
They instead of giving that, they gave a combined rating
for the first time ever of minutes spent watching that
included YouTube, and that was their way of giving you

(26:18):
a better example of how many people are actually watching
pat But it also changed some of the narrative around it.
The NBA's got to find a way to do that,
because otherwise the conversation is constantly on the declining TV
ratings without acknowledging that NBA fans are finding other ways
to watch this content because they're just not happy with
the way their game is covered. That's the bow I

(26:39):
will put on it. And a good example of that
is what we're dealing with right now. Where what's sexier
than a two to two NBA Finals series where we've
had three of the four games come down to the wire.
Kevin Durant like, this is crazy. It is wild to
me that we are in the middle of this actual
series and brother, we got like, once this series is done,

(27:02):
we have all of July and part of August with
nothing to talk about it in sports talk radio.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
We have months to.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Talk about Kevin Durant, But instead it's the obsession right now.
And this is what's wild to me, Like the NBA's
got to find a way to get out of their
own way. They've got to find a way to change
their calendar so that player movement can't even be a
conversation until after the finals, because you end up with
the situation where news of KD being shopped around becomes

(27:31):
more significant than news of a finals that's currently two two.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
It's not like we have this problem in the NFL,
right I mean, the Rogers situation ongoing is always going
to be a conversation now that he's finally landed in Pittsburgh,
and we'll talk about that later on in the.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Broadcast this evening.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
But I can't think of a league that struggles with
that as much as the NBA does.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
But think about it, Fitzie, Like what's.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
The most popular level of NBA discourse? Like year round,
it's transactions. The transactions are far more compelling, it seems,
to the vast majority of the sports consuming audience than
the actual basketball. Specific to the regular season, this postseason
has been a lot of fun, right And whether it's

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whether it's the Nicks petering out and maybe you'd like
to get them a little more run out of them
just for the sake of larger interest, or the Lakers
not falling short against the Timberwolves early on after trading
for Lucas, so you end up with OKC and Indiana,
and that kind of changes the way that the coverage
of your sport is going to be. And you're still
trying to squeeze as many metrics out of this as

(28:39):
humanly possible if you're both the league and the networks.
So you defer to what's more interesting than two team
two small market teams who do have two stars, but
really one of them just arrived in Haliburt, like really
arrived on the national stage basically in that Knick series.
And SGA, who is an MVP rightfully so he's an

(29:01):
excellent player, very very high level individual. But Kevin Durant
supersedes both of those if you're talking about household name
brand equity and not just household name brand equity of
a star, but where's the where's he going to land in?
If we could hear from Sham Sharania speaking of Pat McAfee,
Scham's was on the Pat mcaffee show earlier this week

(29:22):
talking about all the different landing spots that might be
possible for Kevin Durant from the Suns.

Speaker 10 (29:27):
There's not going to be a Giannis Kevin Durant intermingling
trade going on. You said a week. I think it
could be even sooner than that. I think there's some
motivation with some teams. Potentially even sooner than seven days.
You know, maybe in the next few days we can
get some Kevin Durant trade action. There is some serious
traction on conversations on trade scenarios with the Suns. They've
had about six to eight teams reach out. There's been interests,

(29:51):
there's been some offers, there's been some negotiations, but really
in the last twenty four to forty eight hours, I'm
told the focus of the Suns conversation has been on
a few of the teams, and here they are the
Houston Rockets.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
The Miami Heat, and the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 10 (30:04):
I'm told those are the three teams right now where
a lot of the focus for Durant lies.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
There's some motivations do you want to go there soon?
In the later so.

Speaker 10 (30:12):
That is it's a great question you ask Aja, because
he's on expiring contract about fifty four million dollars and
so that could also come up as an issue here
where if there's a team that for sure wants his
extension or will there be a team We saw what
happened with Kawhi Leonard in twenty nineteen where or actually
twenty eighteen, and then he won the championship in twenty
nineteen with the Toronto Raptors where they just literally had

(30:33):
no idea whether he wanted to be there, probably didn't
want to be there, and they trade from they won
a championship, then he leaves anyway. So will there be
a team, whether it's in this mix or wildcard team
that just takes a swing and just banks on themselves
and hope that they can potentially make a deep run
and keep them there.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
But that's going to be the big question.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
So that's Sean Sharania on the Pat McAfee show talking
about that. But like, think about all the different injury right,
the kind of teams that were named.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
He worked Yanna Us into the analysis.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
And it's easy to get caught up in all of
that because these are two of the biggest stars and
this is going to be a very transaction heavy NBA offseason.
That way, where you see a lot of teams I
think respond to some of the signings that teams initially make,
so they start making these kind of trades, right. It's
a whole domino effect thing, and it's hard not to
get captivated by that if you're somebody who is a

(31:22):
casual fan, not necessarily invested in OKC or Indiana. So
it just kind of sweeps you up in it and
undermines the league itself, which I think you know is
a frustration for me as somebody who just wants to
talk about their basketball team.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Look, this is simple. We got to take a break.
Here's what I would say. Nobody should care where Katie
is headed. I'll tell you why after the break. Nobody
should care. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz break it
down for you on a Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's Buck Rising. Jason Fitz already said that, but I'll
say it again.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Kevin Durant likely
on the move. I don't care, and you shouldn't either.
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. Spucking fits on a
Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Why. I mean, I gotta.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Explain why, like everybody else is gonna tell you it's
a big deal, and like, I gotta explain to you
that it's just it's not.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
We're live at the Fox Sports Arena. Stud just let
me ask you this, Bud. Look at it.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
The NBA's doing something really well right now. We talked
about it the last time we were together. A new
champion every year, right, like just a rotating group of champions.
So you mentioned the way we cover player transactions in
the league. Let's be honest, Kawhi going to the Clippers
was covered more than Kawhi winning a championship for Toronto?

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And what did that end up with?

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Like?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
What have the Clippers gotten out of that Diddley book?

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
They've gotten absolutely nothing. Right, they got a box of
frozen grapes and a new arena. That's all they got. Okay,
when's the last time we saw a superstar on the
move that actually resulted in a championship? And I don't
understand why because sports are copycat.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
So give me the bubble.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
You want to give me Lebron in the bubble, Okay,
if we want to accept Lebron in the bubble as
the one here, But.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
I don't I don't count the bubble, the bubble Dodgers,
the bubble Lakers, all things bubble LA.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
I'm sorry to to those of.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Us listening in the Los Angeles market, but though those
do not count. To steal a line from from Stutatt's right,
it's a personal record book, no Moss.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So I count the championship, but I don't think you
can you can mirror it to make future championship plans.
So wow, I said that way more articulately than I
thought I would. So to me in a copycat world.
And this is what we see in the NFL. Right,
once one team does something, everybody does it. We see
that in most sports. Once one team does something, everybody
does it. Well, the methodology right now to building a

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championship caliber team in the NBA is to figure it
out with their home grown stars, to stick with them
for a minute, to try and find the right combination
of perfect pieces to go around what you've brought in
that's homegrown. Now, if you want to hit me with KD,
going to the Timberwolves will change the way we feel
about the Timberwolves. Maybe, But like this concept that we

(34:17):
fall in love with it every time. It's Charlie Brown
going to kick a football. Oh my god, this superstar
is gonna move in the NBA. Who gives a damn
It doesn't actually result in championships, Like last time I checked,
jokicch was not some superstar that was acquired. Last time
I checked, Halliburton and SGA, while they were acquired, were
not acquired as superstars do it?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Like, there wasn't a moment where it was, oh my god,
we're getting Yiannis and that's how we're gonna win a chip.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Like that's just that hasn't been the method.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
We sat here and begged not we, you and I,
but people sat here and begged the Celtics to rip
apart their superstars because they couldn't win the big one.
Then they won a championship last year.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Like, at some.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Point we have to acknowledge that the way to do
this is to draft your start and to bring everything
along with your superstar, slow and low, like barbecue, until
you get the right combination of pieces they can help
you win a championship, and then you hope that you
get that one magical year. That's the method in the NBA.
It's not trading for KD.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
You know, just because he's back in the news for
reasons that I'm sure he doesn't want to be in
the news. We were talking about this with the Marcus
Cousins going to the Warriors on the on the local show.
What I guess that would have been yesterday? And have
you seen this to Marcus Cousins story out of Puerto
Rico by the way, No, no, maybe maybe Ian, I
don't know how we worked that.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
INTI maybe maybe save yourself the time and don't don't
look into it.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
No, I would one hundred percent looking to it into it.
It's delightful on a variety of different fronts, of course,
because no one was hurt, and Boogey Cousins could have
probably hurt somebody had he not slipped and fallen. But
I don't want to, you know, leave leave too much
nebulousness out there.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
We can talk about the story later if we have time.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
It is it is such a good point made by
you because we think about that in the NFL. That's
the way that we are conditioned to think about things,
and it is the correct way to think about things. Right.
You draft, you develop your talent, and then you retain
your talent, and that is the most successful way to
realize your championship aspirations, or to get as close as
humanly possible. Right, you may not ultimately end up winning

(36:16):
a ring just because you've done all these things the
right way, because you know for twenty years Tom Brady
is standing in your way, or now Patrick Mahomes or
Lamar Jackson or Joe like Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and
Josh Allen are dealing with this currently in the AFC. Right,
you can draft, develop, and retain your own talent, get
as close as humanly possible, closer than anybody else could,
and still be met with the guy that's inevitable at

(36:36):
the end of the day, who was also drafted organically
by his organization. In the NBA, I wonder if it's
not something about the way that one player can so
much more individually impact the results that it makes us
think in our heads, all right, if X player, even
if they're on the decline. And there's no question that

(36:57):
Kevin Durant is not the Kevin Durant of old, we
can all admit that he may.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Get bothered by that.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
On social media, he may take pot shots at people
on social media as he's wont to do, but I
think even he would acknowledge that he's not at the
peak of his powers in an honest moment.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Basketball is so much more willing or prone to letting
an individual player affect the team's results. It's about as
individual a sport as a team sport could be. That
way to wear in our heads, it makes sense, Okay,
if you plug this one piece who I know and
who I know has been good across their career, and

(37:35):
you put it with a lot of really good other pieces,
then that should give you the best possible equation to
realize a championship solution. And to your point, it just
doesn't nearly happen as often as we think it should.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Part of this, too, is who were those players that
had that direct result? And you're talking about Lebron in
his prime, You're talking about KD in his prime. Like
you're talking about two all time greats in their prime
going to teams stacked with other good players and winning championships.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Okay, Like that's.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Fine, but that's not what we're talking about for Katie now,
as you just acknowledged, right like, also, there just has
to be some point where we look at it and
it's like holding every quarterback or every NFL team to
the same standard that we held Tom Brady and the Patriots.
Like it's much different to do roster development when you
are the Kansas City Chiefs and you have Patrick Mahomes,

(38:31):
then it is if you are the Indianapolis Colts and
you have Anthony Richardson, Like, the rules are different. I
just think that we have to accept it. The rules
are different right now in this NBA. Then just go
out and get a big star. Go out and get
a big.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Name, guys.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
I wonder if it's like a depth thing, like you
have to trade away all of your depth to acquire
a superstar like that, so then you're left with not
much else on your roster. Like if you were able
to theoretically acquire someone like Durant and then still retain
all these great role players who can come off the
bench and hit some threes for you when Durant needs
a breather, then you know there might still be something
to say about it.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You're right, but it's like everything else in sports, there
are not typically.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Quick, easy fixes.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
We'll keep breaking it down. Plus historic final with historic
low ratings. Why but we're not talking about the NBA.
Tell you what we mean next, you're listening to Fox
Sports Radio. When I was a kid, my dad used
to always ask that question. If a tree falls in
the forest and no one's there to hear, it doesn't
make a sound, and I'm not smart enough to figure
that out.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I'm not gonna lie. I'm not smart enough to figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
But it's a puzzle, and it has me thinking, what
about the puzzle of a final that is absolutely epic
but nobody's watching it? And I'm not talking about the NBA.
He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz It's Bucking fits. We're
taking over Fox Sports Saturday. And look, I'll be the
first to admit I'm a hockey guy.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I'm one of the rare ones. I'm a hockey guy.
When I was a little kid in Vegas, very little kid,
we didn't have cable, couldn't afford it. And that was
back when Wayne Gretzky was in Edmonton. That's how old
I am.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Buck and my dad used to have a buddy film
the Stanley Cup playoffs on VHS tapes and then they'd
send him to the house and we would get this
big box of tapes and my dad and I would
sit down and we would just watch the oiler because
like back then, you didn't get to see that stuff
any other way. And my dad was like, you gotta
watch this. The best player you'll ever see in your life.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So when Wayne Gretzky was traded to the Kings and
the Kings traded off to Silver and Black, like I
was in Vegas at the time, that was a big deal.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I have a puck sitting behind me on this shelf
that came from the first ten thousand people that ever
sat in Bridgestone Arena to watch a Pred's game. I
went to the very first Nashville Predators game, like I
covered that team as you know, and we were together
there for their Stanley Cup Final run there.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I have been a hockey guy my entire life, so
I know that I am the biased one in this,
But I am sitting here watching a Stanley Cup final
between Edmonton and Florida that you just hearned Steve seger
tell Us is two nothing after one. I sat in
a bar the other night to watch that game all
the way into overtime, because three of the four games
have gone to overtime. One in fact, a double overtime.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Two of the endings have been two of the latest
goals in Stanley Cup Final history. We are watching the
most even Stanley Cup Final series, maybe the most even
playoff series I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
In my life. Between two teams that went seven games
last year and two million people watch the last game,
two million nobody cares. Which nobody cares just.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Criminal, truly, because that I mean, I don't know that
there's a more electrifying March madness has a case to
be stated here, but the level of skill in the
NHL versus college basketball, for example, is so much greater
relative to their respective sports that to me, the hockey
postseason is the most entertaining just as an objective fan.

(41:57):
So I don't know what the nahill does about this,
because for me, you know, I mean, FITZI, I'm in Nashville,
you know this.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
I work in a hockey market.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Even though the hockey team it's been eight years, by
the way since that's Stanley Cup run for the Nashville Predators,
and that was Maybe it feels even longer because there
was a COVID pandemic in the middle of that. That
makes everything feel like it was one hundred years ago.
But it's just crazy to think about how long it's
been since they've had relevant hockey here in Middle Tennessee,
which is, you know, another crazy statement to say about

(42:26):
relevant hockey here in Middle Tennessee. But we got Florida
competing against Canada in the Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's in a rematch.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
So, because I'm more inclined to watch hockey, and we're
sports professionals, right like, we're paying attention to what games
are on, whether it be the College World Series or
the Stanley Cup, the NBA or things that other people
may consider ancillary. I would have thought, at least based
off the betting, that there would be more than two
million people watching this, Like that's the thing that you

(42:53):
can almost rely on to a tea anymore. When it
comes to leagues or teams in games that you're going
to question how much the interest would actually draw.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
At least the.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Gambling people will be there to be in on that,
and even they are turning their nose up. Maybe hockey
is more different. I would not bet my money on
a hockey game. It's way too many different variables for me.
So perhaps I've answered my own question there, But for
you to tell me that two million people watched that
last game, that game four as absolutely electrifying as it

(43:25):
was top to bottom. I'm kind of in disbelief. I
had no idea the number until you just said it
out loud.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I just think it's hard to make people give a
damn about pretty much anything, and quality doesn't matter like this.
This is just a great overall. I don't remembers me now,
true quality doesn't matter. Like I remember when we were
in the studio working on one of the records that
we put out, and we were having this great argument

(43:53):
about a drum sound, like did it sound? And you know,
so you're in a recording studio in Nashville and they're
speakers everywhere listening at this volume that's just absolutely gonna
shake your floor right your feet are vibrating, and we're
arguing about the tone of this one little thing. And
I remember looking at everybody and being like, you know,
you realize people just can listen to this on their phone, right,
Like should we really care that much? And now you've

(44:16):
got like Timberland, the producer, has just opened up the
first all AI music company. The artist is AI manufactured,
the songs are AI manufactured, and All of the music
is essentially AI manufactured, and there are certainly purists.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
That are like, oh, that'll never work. It's like that
will because at the end of the day, people don't
really give it namn like. But the funny thing is,
to me, even if.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
It's just we don't care about quality, I'll buy that
if quality is boring, this is electric. Like the best
player in the world is in the Stanley Cup Final,
and the most clutch player we've ever seen in Stanley
Cup playoff history is in this final.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Dry title has at this.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Point four overtime winning game a game winning goals in
this run. That's the most ever in a single playoff.
Like you want to talk about clutch, you got your
Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and and it's for a historic
franchise that people that you have ever been around hockey
understand or know for a country that hasn't won a
Cup since ninety three. Right, So if you're looking at Edmonton, boy,

(45:16):
there's a million stories. And in the meantime, Florida's trying
to go back to back, like they're trying to go
back to back. How does it Florida? How does it
get any better than this. If you were hockey, you like.
The good news is hockey fans and hockey as a
sport has learned it's cool to just be who they
are and that I think that maybe that's the biggest
difference between the NBA. Like NBA haters want to just

(45:37):
take every opportunity to just, you know, puke all over
the ratings and NBA fans want to take every opportunity
to puke over all over people that are puking over
the ratings. At least hockey guy has learned, like, Hey,
I love my sport. I don't really care if you
love my sports like loving an indie rock band. They're
good with it. Maybe that's why there's peace in this,
but damn it, people will more people should care about this.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Uh.

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Speaker 4 (46:36):
And I wonder if there's not some level of peace
in that.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Of course, I'm sure the NHL executives want the best
number possible because at the end of the day, they're
in the business of monetizing their product and selling that
product to television networks to try and get the largest
dollar figure to get that investment back into the league
that they want to continue to grow, and on all
of these different things, there does seem to be some

(47:01):
peace from that. In hockey fans, they're like, we don't
care if you're not watching. We're watching and it's a
great time. If you're not watching this, you're missing out.
That's boo on you. And then when a casual you know,
maybe they've got these games on in a bar somewhere
and you just happen to look up and it's a
double overtime game or a team scores three goals in
the first period, and then the opposing team comes back
and throws scores three goals in the second period, and

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things like that, and it's completely stimulus overload to where
you can't look away. But you have to have that
thing on in the first place to first attract your attention.
The NBA just continues to have this inferiority complex, or
at least they seem like they do, right. I'm sure
they would never admit in a public moment that they
do have this inferiority complex. But Adam Silver appearing on

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every television show and every radio show under the sun
trying to sell you on oksee at Indiana makes me
think that they feeling a little bit of that imposter
syndrome too. As we talk about a finals in the
NBA that people might not necessarily gravitate towards a final
in the Stanley Cup that I thought would be must
see for America, given that these two teams were just

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in the final a year ago.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
That it's a rematch.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Philadelphia and Kansas City was a rematch, and you got
some of the tired board narratives, Oh it's just Kansas
City again, Oh it's the Eagles again, this, that, and
the other, and it ended up being not a compelling game,
but it was a compelling game just to see the
way that the Eagles were able to turn the tide.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
And dominate Kansas City that way.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
It's a different result, even though you got the same
two teams competing against one another. I am invested in
the Stanley Cup Final for exactly that reason.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
I want to see if.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
The nation of Canada can steal back their national sport
from South Florida. It's insanely it has to make the
Canadians absolutely mad. And so that alone to me, and
also combined with the level of skill and talent and
star power in the Stanley Cup Final that we're getting
it ready to witness, and what the results have been

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so far, which has been absolutely captivating television. I'm just
kind of in the opinion now that I'm gonna take
the same position as the hockey people, which is, if
you don't want to watch this stuff, that's on you,
like you're just depriving yourself of sports greatness. And if
you want to live that way and then you want
to just dismiss hockey after the fact, that's fine. That's
that's your perspective. I will judge you for it, absolutely,

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I will judge you for it. I will think less
of you because of it, and all these different things.
I just you know, straight up, I'm gonna tell you
that on the front end. But if you want to
deprive yourself of that sports joy, the reason why we
all gravitate towards the stuff in the first place, star power,
electric electric performance on the field or on the ice,
or on the court, whatever the case may be, and

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just the different narratives that come associated with this that
do have legitimate drama to them.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
I mean, then get out of here. I'll watch the
hockey myself, I don't care.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
I'll talk about it with FITZI and we'll mutter, you know,
things about dry Sidle and Conny McDavid in the dark
corners where nobody else can hear us except on Spock
Sports Radio where we are nationally broadcast.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
And I'll enjoy that myself.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
But if I've got to sell you on this Stanley
Cup Final at this point, you're a lost cause.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I also think there's a part of this where you know,
we're not the audience. America is just not the audience.
Like every time I've been up in Canada, I'm amazed
by how much it means, which only it becomes so
much more ironic in the sense that, like I said,
I covered the Pretz Stanley Cup Final run, I flew
out and went to Stanley Cup Final matches games for Vegas,

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I flew out and went to the parade when the
Golden Knights won the Stanley Cup Final, like my city
that birthed to me. Absolutely, winning a championship was everything.
So we're the problem. Florida gets some championships.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
It's Miami. They got other things to do. Vegas gets
some time.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
You didn't even care to see how sad that parade
was for them last year.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I know it was raining a little bit, but still, I.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Mean, come on, like a hockey parade in the middle
of summer in Miami, Like, what.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Could go wrong? I just I think we can understand
all that.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
By the way, we've asked you on Twitter, speaking of parades,
we've asked you for some of your best and worst
moments that you've lived in public. In honor of Buck
Rising sitting in a bar in Nashville and having to
live through his Indiana Pacers losing last night getting a
ton of response. You can tweet us at Buck Rising,
at Fox Sports Radio at Jason fitz and I did
love this, Moro said, you mean, like my Pat's coming

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back from a twenty eight three deficit to trounce.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
The Falcons in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I cannot imagine how different that moment was for each
collective fan base and how insufferable.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Each side was. That's all I'm saying, Buck, each side
had to be the worst in the bar.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
I don't think Arthur Blank has had a worse public
moment than that than being down on the sidelines, you know,
prematurely and dancing around. I think it was him and
his wife, the owner of the Atlanta Falcons, when they
were carrying that twenty eight to three.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Lead, and then his things started to be chipped away
at it.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
It was getting more and more obvious that Tom Brady
was going to snatch their hearts.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Out of their chest Collie Mass style. Right.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
It's this, It's this very very unique experience that you know,
whether it's three to one in a series and a
team comes back to win, or that twenty eight to three,
which is unlike anything.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I've ever seen in my football lifetime.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
I unbearable Patriots fans, you know, the city of Boston,
I think embraces this.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
So I'm not telling them anything that they don't know already.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
But like Boston sports fans generally unbearable, so you go
in with that. But the misery of Falcons fans is
an entirely different kind of just dark, bloomy cloud that
hangs over everything that they do. At this point, I
think it's a great submission. There's a couple more here.
Matt Funk says the worst public moment for him was

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the Raiders losing to the Buccaneers in the Super Bowl,
and the best was his Capitals winning the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
On the opposite side of that, Danny.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Smith in Vegas is outstanding outside of T Mobile Arena.
Watching the Capitals clinch the Cup in Vegas was his
worst public moment. I imagine there were quite some, quite
a few people in the city of Las Vegas that
melted down that day.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well, I mean I watched the Pittsburgh Penguins win the
Cup in Bridgestone, and I sat there and just watched
them skate around with it. It's weird when you watch
somebody else win the Cup in your home Home arena.
All right, keep tweeting us, give us some more of
your thoughts on it. Look, the Falcons don't know anything
about winning a Super Bowl. Neither do the Bengals, and

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you gotta wonder if they're gonna get any closer based
on controversy right now. That's happening before we've even hit
the season. We'll tell you about it. We'll break down
a really complicated issue for Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Pittsburgh, hanging out with
you on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Leverage. It's a tricky thing.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
You're trying to maximize your own position, You're trying to
take care of yourself, You're trying to take care of
your family. Sometimes you might overplay your hand. That seems
to be the situation that we are trying to discern
between first round rookie Shamar Stewart and the team that
drafted him about a month and a half ago, the
Cincinnati Bengals. Welcome back to five Sports Radio. On this

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Fox Sports Saturday. He's Jason Fitz I'm Buck Rising, and
to be honest with you, FITZI I am very very
late to the party on this entire ordeal for those
who are not familiar. I'm in Nashville, Fitzi's in Connecticut.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
My whole deal here locally is.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
That I cover the Tennessee Titans for a living and
have been documenting number one overall pitcam Ord and everything
that's been going on in Titans rookie Minicamp or excuse me,
mandatory Minicamp all week long. So I check back in
when I pull myself out of my own situation, and
I see this circumstance with Shamar Stewart where he is
now skipping out on the final day of mandatory mini

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camp after sounding off on his lingering contract dispute earlier
this week in ways that are very public and very
messy with one of the most famous or famously cheap
organizations in the NFL that is not only dealing with
the Shamar Stewart situation, but it is also dealing with
a contract negotiation, if you want to still call it

(55:02):
a negotiation with their other past rusher, Trey Hendrickson, who
is very publicly displeased about the way that the organization
has handled this deal. So I asked you, Jason Fitz,
with the details that we are getting ready to work
through and they are complicated details here. How are you
feeling about Shamar Stewart's holdout, a rookie holdout with the

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Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Are you team Chamar or are you team sincey here.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I'm team Chamar, and I think a couple of things
we have to understand. One, Schamar has an agent, right,
and so the reason you have an agent is so
that you can figure out what industry standard is. I
have an agent now for what I do in sports broadcasting, right,
because I need to know what industry standard is. I
had an agent when I was in music because you
got to know what industry standard is. So Chamar is

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not just coming in and he and his me ma
are working on a contract with the Bengals. Let's let's
be very clear about that. They as an agent that
reps other players as well. And so the hard part
about this is Twitter wants to make everything black or
white right, wants to make everything.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Somebody's right, somebody's wrong.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
When you break down some of this, it gets really
complicated because the issue here is.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
That the Bengals want to put some language in.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
His contract that means that if he is suspended for
any reason, whether it's something that happens off the field,
something that happens on the field. If he suspended even
for a game because of an illegal leading with the
helmet hit, for example, they want it in his contract
that it would nullify the rest of his deal, not
just that year, but it could nullify the entirety of
the contract. Now, there are some other players selected in

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the first round this year for other teams that have
similar logic and their similar wording in their contract, but
the Bengals haven't done this the last couple of years
with some of their players. That's where this gets really weird.
The other part of how this gets weird is that
the Bengals, historically and in this instance as well, are
not paying their guarantees the same way other teams pay
it wildly in the weeds, but some team. Most teams

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pay you all of your guaranteed money upfront and it
gets put in escrow. All of these different things that
Happenngals like to pay their guarantees over time. Well, according
to the language in this contract, it could be a technicality,
but if it's voided, whatever guarantees he hasn't been paid
would also be voided. So this is a very complicated situation.
Shamar Stewart is looking at this complicated situation and saying,

(57:17):
I'm not going to let you find a way to
not pay me. Should you choose to want to if
I'm suspended for a game for any reason, Like, that's
just not the way he's choosing to do business. So
the Bengals are trying to stand on something that is
difficult to stand on and Shamar doesn't need to give
it damn about any of it, Like shamalz just needs
to worry about him, right, So if you're the Bengals,
I think part of the complication here is you haven't

(57:38):
paid Trey and part of the reason you drafted shamars
you might not want to pay Tray. Well, now what
are you going to do if you don't get either
of them in camp? Let's hear from Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
This was his media availability before he skipped out on
the final day of Bengals mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
No business is business in football is football. But have
the veterans said anything? Has there been any reaction at
all with your your situation.

Speaker 11 (58:01):
It's made it very easy when the people in her
locker room say you're doing the right things, especially the
star players.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I mean, he's not wrong number one.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Also, you know this better than anybody because you're in
a locker room all the time. I've worked with a
lot of players that play in the league. How often
do you hear people say, man, business is business. Like you,
You've got veteran players who are going to look around
and be like, no, get yours, especially from this organization.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
This particular because what Katie Blackburn I believe is the
name of the Bengals executive that really stepped in it
at owners meetings talking about Trey Hendrickson's situation. And I'm
paraphrasing here. I don't have the exact quote in front
of me, but she said something to the effect of.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Well, maybe he should just be happy with what.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
We're offering him, you know, which is a wild public
stance to take in the middle of a negotiation with
a guy who's leading the league in sacks on a
regular basis.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That's a wild state. I don't care what. I don't
care if you make widgets.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
If you go into your boss and you're like, I
feel like I deserve a raise, I'm making more widgets
than everybody else, and your boss's response is maybe you
should just be happy that you have a job. Like
what's the first thing you do when you get home
from that meeting? You go out online, you start looking
for new jobs, right, Like there is just this element
And Schamar's got to feel some kind of way because
he also made the statement that he's on hundred percent correct,

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and he's he's said the organization is just worried about
being right. Like he's loudly speaking out against a team
that in theory he should want to play for it
for the next ten years. Like this is such a
terrible way to start your working relationship between a team
and a player. I mean, money fixes everything, but man,
this leaves a taste in your mouth. You know that
everybody knows that this leaves a lingering something in the

(59:44):
back of your head. Like if the next time you
go to contract negotiations they're cheap on the first offer,
you're gonna be like, here we go again.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I'm gonna play somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
And I know we're gonna go to Steve de Seger
to get us updated on everything else that's happening around
the world here in just a second. But I'll tell you, Fitzise,
these sports executives who try and just win the negotiation
for the sake of winning the negotiation, because they are
also competitors in what they do. They're trying to get
the best team deal for their team, even if they
make some missteps along the way. The last time I

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saw somebody played chicken with the train this way was
John Robinson, the former Titans general manager, and AJ Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
And AJ Brown is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Going to Super Bowls and winning Super Bowls with the
Philadelphia Eagles now, and John Robinson has not gotten a
job back in football and is trying to pub his
podcast on Good Morning Football because he can't get back
into the league. I would think at a certain point
that these executives would look around at these cautionary tales
that exist everywhere and understand that the talent is more
important than they are, and they are the things that

(01:00:40):
are going to help you win championships, which should, at
the at the end of the day, be the ultimate goal.
The Cincinnati Bengals have been unseerious about this the entire
way through, and that's a part of their DNA. Unfortunately
for Bengals fans, they're just going to have to deal
with it. But let's get to Steve to Sega and
figure out what else is going on in the sports World.

Speaker 9 (01:00:59):
Game five, with the Stanley Cup Final going on at Edmonton,
it is the Panthers in the lead two nothing over
the Oilers, twelve minutes to go in the second period.

Speaker 7 (01:01:08):
Series tied at two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Game six will.

Speaker 9 (01:01:10):
Be in Florida on Tuesday, and we had a first
period tally for Brad Marshawn his fifth in this series
with Florida. In the twenty eleven Stanley Cup Final with Boston,
he had five goals in that series. Marshan the first
player in NHL history to score at least five goals
in a single Cup final with two different teams. Three

(01:01:30):
WNBA games, including an Indiana win today over New York,
which was nine to zero one oh two eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
The final.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
Caitlin Clark thirty two points twenty five in the first half.
She had missed five games with a string quad. The
NBA Finals continue Monday. The Rockets reportedly gave center Steven
Adams a three year extension. He would have become an
unrestricted free agent. Sam Burns leads the US Open by
one stroke. Adam Scott has tied for second place. Rory
McElroy shot a third round seventy four. After barely making

(01:01:59):
the Cup, He's now ten over par at College Baseball's
World Series, number six seed LSU still in the lead
against number three Arkansas four to one LSU in the
bottom of the eighth. UCLA won its opener today six
to four over Murray State. To Major League Baseball. For
most of the country on Fox TV, it's the game
at Boston. The Red Sox lead for to two over

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the Yankees in the top of the eighth. For some,
it's the Padres, who now lead at Arizona five to
three in the top of the eighth. San Diego got
four runs in the top of the seventh to take
the advantage, Fernando Tatis Junior a two run single, Manny
Machado a two run double. Earlier, Atlanta handed Colorado another defeat,
four to won the final. The Rockies record is thirteen

(01:02:43):
and fifty seven, the worst overall record after seventy games
since nineteen oh one. Houston won its fourth game in
a row, three to two over Minnesota thanks to a
run in the bottom of the ninth. Twins offense went
three to thirty with seventeen strikeouts Philadelphia on a solo
home bottom of the eighth edge, Toronto three to two.
Max Kepler the hero. Tampa Bay won in New York

(01:03:05):
against the Mets again eight to four, Cubs two to
one over Pittsburgh. Today, Dansby Swanson a solo homer Miami
sent Washington to a seventh straight loss four to three.
Cincinnati hit four home runs and got an eleven to
one win at Detroit. The Tigers record now forty six
and twenty six. The late game tonight will have the
Giants at the Dodgers. Those two tied for first in

(01:03:28):
the NL West. The padres right now, two back back
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
He's Buck Rising on Jason fitzpucking fits taking over Fox
Sports Saturday. Coming at your Live from the Fox Sports
Saturday Studios, Fox Sports Studios. I should say, let me
just go back to the Bengals for a second, because
here's the most frustrating part.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
It's not Schamar, it's not Trey, it's not the holdouts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It's the fact that the Bengals have the most important
thing that you absolutely must have if you want to
win a Super Bowl, and that's a quarterback that can
compete with Patrick Mahomes, and they are wasting it every
single damn year. It is so frustrating to me to
just watch this ta and I'm frustrated for Bengals fans

(01:04:13):
like my yelling and screaming about this book is because
I look at the Bengals and I say, there is
absolutely no reason that every year you weren't winning twelve
or thirteen games and putting yourself straight into the AFC
Championship game. The Bengals should be as consistently in the
championship conversation right now as the Buffalo Bills and Kansas
City Chiefs and Baltimore Ravens are, and they aren't because organizationally,

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they just screw it up. And when you screw up
year after year at Joe Burrow, it's disgusting to me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
It's hard not to be disgusted by it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
Because there's sobering moments in your sports fan hood timeline
right across the course of your life where you think,
at a certain age in your naivete that your team
is trying to win a championship each and every year.
And then you get to a certain point where you
start to pay attention to transactions, You start to read

(01:05:08):
more about the principal parties who were involved in the
running of these teams, and you start to see and
we'll just make it Bengals examples, specifically stories like Jonathan
Joseph explaining that players couldn't take gatorade home and had
to share hotel rooms on road trips and doing all
these things, or team that the team doesn't gather at
a local hotel the night before home games, allowing players

(01:05:30):
to stay out all night and show up for work
hungover or still drunk in certain situations, as Jonathan Joseph
has talked about publicly before a former Cincinnati Bengals player.
You get to these points and the Pacers. The Pacers
are in the NBA Finals finally, thank god, and playing
at a high level with this series tied to too.
But there was years where I would look at the

(01:05:52):
way that the Pacers were making transactions as a Pacers
fan myself for those of you who are just now
joining us on Fox Sports Radio, where they were trading
players for like cash, exemptions and stuff like that, and
I'm just looking around.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
And being like, are we not trying to win?

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
What is the disconnect here that I, as a fan
am missing? Where I am pouring my time, my effort,
my energy, and in sometimes finances into the support of
this team. But this team is doing things in a
way that would indicate that they're not actively trying to
win each and every time. Now, when you get older,
you understand that that's not realistic and that there are

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certain steps that have to be taken to realize the
ultimate goal, and that it can be a part of
a longer term play than just go out there and
try and win a chip each and every season. But
if you're a Bengals fan looking at the fact that
you have one of these things that's impossible to find.
You have a fire breathing dragon at quarterback, You've got
the best wide receiver in the NFL. And despite them
putting up ungodly statistics last year, arguably I would argue

(01:06:55):
that Joe Burrole played the quarterback position as at hot
as at as high of a level as anybody in
the NFL last year. And they finished with a winning
record because they're good enough. But they missed the playoffs
because they're in a track meet with Baltimore and you
can't you can't get Lamar off the field because your
defense is so bad So the thing that you're gonna,

(01:07:17):
obviously do is get get into a pissing match with
Trey Hendrickson and then do things that would cause your
first round pick so much discomfort that he is leaving
his first mandatory mini camp on the final day because
you have put language into his contract that the previous
first round pick didn't even have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
To deal with.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
It's insanity to me that the Bengals and franchises across
sports like the Bengals are allowed to operate this way.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
It is a complete and total disservice to fans.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Here's what I don't understand. What I don't understand is
why any fan in the world in these situations ever
takes the side of a team. And let me be clear,
Like I am, as everybody knows, I'm such a Raiders fan.
I mean, my god, I've got a Raider's tattoo. Okay, So,
like we understand fandom here, and I understand my team sucks.

(01:08:10):
So I'm not throwing you know, glasshouse rocks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
I'm not throwing that. But let's be honest for a
second here, I just googled it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
According to Forbes, Mike Brown's networth, the owner of the
family that owns the Bengals is three point nine billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Three point nine billion dollars, right, And so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
You start thinking about what that means, and you start
thinking about what is out there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Like to me, why do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Why is there a single fan in the world worry
about Mike Brown saving a few million dollars, Like I
don't care Mark Davis if he spends every dollar he
has and just all this money goes out to contracts
and it's bad and it's bad and it's bad. And
he's got to fire every coach and pay every coach,
and he's got to turn around and fire every player
and pay every player.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Guess what, like y'all, they can afford it. They can
find the salary cap room. They can afford it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
We are talking about language in a contract to protect
the team in case of sucks, so that if that
player gets suspended and there's an issue with that player,
they can simply get out of paying them. Why in
God's green earth would I want when I'm in the
middle of what should be a Super Bowl window, I
don't care about it. Look, if my team is going
to win two games this year, then fine, got the

(01:09:17):
whole thing. Just come out to a press conference and
be like, hey, guys, we're gonna save the money this
year because we're gonna suck. I would actually respect that.
But when you're in a Super Bowl window and you're
talking about minutia in a contract to get a rookie in,
just sign the damn deal. I just just your three
point nine billion dollars in year. Just sign the damn deal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
What's got to be the most disheartening part of all
of this, And it's taken me a couple of hours
after kind of diving into this story as much as
humanly possible before the show tonight to realize this. But FITZI,
it's it's not about money necessarily. It doesn't seem to
be really about money at the end of the day.
It's not about winning games, obviously, because if it was,

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they would have these transactions done in dusted. They wouldn't
have waited as long as they did the pay Jamar Chase,
for God's sakes. But it's about control, and it's about
showing the players who's in control. And that pisses me
off because they're more important than you as an organization.
I understand that they play for your organization, and you
want them to take some level of pride in playing

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for your organization and winning for your organization and representing
your organization, all these different things.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
But you don't win without them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
They are the most important component of your organization.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
You do not win.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
You do not compete in football games without high level
football players. And you have managed, in some way, shape
or form to piss off the high level football players
all up and down your roster to the point where
the rookie who's just arrived in the NFL is receiving
guidance from his own locker room that he's in the
right and even publicly comfortable offering up the opinion. Well,

(01:10:55):
even Trey Hendrickson is at least one percent wrong because
he's still under contract.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I'm one hundred per sent right here.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
The fact that this young kid who's just been drafted
into this organization has more wherewithal and more awareness than
the team that is trying to play chicken with him,
it makes me insane to no end. And it makes
me insane because these owners and these executives, they exist
everywhere in professional sports.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
And if say, and I know we.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Have to go to break here, but say Shamar Stewart
decides that he's just going to opt out of the
season entirely, as Mike Florio pointed out that he would
be able to do. He would be able to sit
out this entire season, redeclare for the NFL Draft and
get drafted by another team, basically any other team but
the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Who's going to.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Get hurt if he does that. It's probably going to
be the player because the but hurt. NFL executives are
going to look around and say, well, is he going
to do this with our organization? No one person is
bigger than the team. I don't know, man, sometimes they are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Also, we're dealing with the new era of college athlete
that comes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Into the NFL Draft. In many situations, with millions of
dollars in the bank from nil, they are no longer
is desperate to take whatever somebody will give them. They
are more willing to stand on their own two feet,
and they're more willing to stand on principle. That's just
part of the modern NFL. That being said, if you
have a quarterback, you have a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
We all know that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Culture is also created by quarterbacks, and one quarterback is
speaking out in a way they could create culture, but
seems polarizing. We'll tell you about it next these Buck Rising,
I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging out with you on a
Fox Sports Saturday. I think the coverage of quarterbacks is
one of the most interesting things about sports.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Where we love swagger, where we don't, and by we,
I don't mean Buck Rising and myself Jason Fits hanging
out with you on Fox Sports Saturday. It just feels
like there's a moving goalpost of where confidence is and
where cockiness lies. And I don't understand all the time
what the expectation should be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
And Buck, you know this better than anybody because you
are covering I would argue the most forgotten first overall
pick in NFL history, and I genuinely mean that, like
I genuinely believe that cam Ward is the most forgotten
first overall pick we have ever seen in league history,
especially at quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Maybe you can make an argument for like Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Fisher whatever, like officly Ago, Yeah, yeah, I guess Trayvon
Walker's might be a good one too, Like Trayvon Walker
to the Jazzy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
South, Send him on down here, you'll forget all about him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
But but you grate on a curve though, when we
include quarterback, that's why, Like you know, so, this is
not Cam Ward, the fullback that was drafted first overall.
This is Cam Woard, the quarterback drafted first overall in
the NFL, and we forget about him. And it's hard
to forget about him though right now where you are
because confidence, that's just say, Confidence has been a little

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bit of a conversation point with him, specifically in Whether
or Not You Can Mess.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
With Him book.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
It has been fascinating to watch the dialogue around the
number one overall pick, and it's been a while since
the Titans have had the number one overall pick. The
last time they had it, they traded it to the
Rams and it became Jared Goff, and of course, famously
things played out the way that they did from there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
So when an infinitely forgettable.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Franchise drafts a player at the position that is supposed
to be the most important is definitively the most important,
and that player is not enough to make that franchise
relevant just by nature of him getting drafted there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
The coverage of this.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Of this guy is going to be fascinating on a
local level, obviously, it's and I'm here in Nashville. For
those of you who are just now jumping in with
us on Fox Sports Radio. I cover the Titans day
to day. I got every practice to the I cover
the draft, I go to press conferences. That cam Ward's
career is going to be my entire life for the
next you know, however long cam Ward lasts in Tennessee,

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provided that they don't fire me here, and cam Ward
does nothing but get out there and bust his butt
and make all of these professional athletes and coaches and
executives here in Nashville fall in love with the kind
of player he is, not just because he's a consensus

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number one overall pick, but because he's just about the work.
He's no frills, and so when he bears his teeth
at you a little bit or shows you a little
bit of what gives him the supreme confidence to go
out there and execute as a player at the most
important position, and you don't necessarily like the way that
he sounds when he's doing it. It creates this interesting

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conversation between even him and his new fan base, who
were conflicted about the level of confidence that cam Ward
is comfortable showing publicly, let's hear from cam Ward. This
was his media availability after the final day of Titan's
mandatory mini camp on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Has it been the last three days for many camp.

Speaker 11 (01:15:56):
He's been good for growing learning, especially being with the
Vets getting our timing down.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
So I'm excited for the summer.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
What you're playing.

Speaker 12 (01:16:05):
For the next five to six weeks before you report
the camp and when you gather with your receivers and
some of the other quarterbacks and go over the things,
just to kind of refresh everybody.

Speaker 11 (01:16:16):
Uh, just worked out standing playbook and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Got the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
So let's say good back and forth with you and Jeffrey.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I guess by his first day back, what's that been like,
and what's it been like? Kind of exchange and try
to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
With the defense.

Speaker 11 (01:16:29):
He's been good. I need somebody like that, especially somebody
like jeff Wh're gonna let you know he there every time.
He's one of the best defensive tackles in the league,
if not the best. I'm glad he's on my team.
I'm glad he's not one of the ones who gets
a chance to get a free shot at me. But
I mean I'm happy I'm playing with him. I know,
I know he's you know, excited about my future, but
you know, I can't wait to get on the field
with him on Sundays.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
It's really good.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
One said yesterday that he had to ask you if
it was okay to put a play call when you're
still talking with Jeff. How are you able to focus
and kind of duel like that And how much does
the trash tack kind of you up or lock you in.

Speaker 11 (01:17:03):
I'm always locked in. The trash talk will never mean
nothing to me. It won't get to me in some
type of where I'm just somebody who likes doing it.
And so what's the point of playing something that you
love you can't have fun with it? So you know
that's where it comes from. But I mean, I love
the game is so any chance I'll get, you know,
to let somebody know that they can't do me. It
really doesn't matter the authentic.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
He's talking about Jeffrey Simmons there, one of you know,
Jeff's not the best defensive tackle in the league, but
he's a really good player, and many people nationally may
not know that. But this, this dude, Fitzy, I couldn't
believe the level of blowback that I got on a
local level when cam Ward just dropped an F bomb,
a couple of f bombs in the middle of that,
because quarterbacks aren't supposed to talk that way. Quarterbacks are

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supposed to carry themselves differently. Who do you want this
dude to be? Do you want him to be a
cold blooded killer? Do you want him to be a
pacifist who's just trying to keep the level. I'm very
confused by the reaction to cam Ward, at least here
in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah, I'm confused by the reaction of cam Ward in
every possible sense. We've spent so much time talking about
what he isn't because of last year's quarterback draft class
that at some point we have to acknowledge who he
is today, And to your point, who he needs to
be is that guy you've got to change the culture
of a bad organization. You don't do that by coming
in and being soft. You come in and you have

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to be aggressive. I think this is a landmark portion
of why cam Ward was drafted first.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Overall.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I think it's part of why he's going to be
wildly successful. I think it's why he has a shot
in this league. We'll keep breaking down cam Ward. Plus
we'll get you updated on what's going on right now
in that Stanley Cup playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Next, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
After two games in three days at an absolutely frantic
pace to what we've seen in the NBA Finals, we
now get a couple of days, a couple of days
to reset, and a couple of days before one fan
base decides that this guy is falling and the series
is as good as done.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
But I'm not willing to buy into any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I think this might be not just one of the best,
but by far one of the most unpredictable NBA Finals
series we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
It's to Bucking Fits Takeover on Fox Sports Saturday on
Fox Sports Radio, coming at you live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios, and admittedly Buck a big Pacers fan.
We started the show with a long distance hug as
I try to get you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
I don't want your hug. Yeah, get away from me.
I don't want your virtual hug. I don't want your
person hung out. I want your hugs. Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I am I am such a you know damn well,
I'm a great hugger, all right, you know you want it,
you know you need it, Okay, you know that, Like
at the end of the day, I'd walk up to
you in a bar and you'd say, get away from me,
get away from me, and I would do I would
do two things.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
I would I would walk up to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
You, I would present you with two very very very
chilled shots at tequila and then I would say, but
I gotta get a hug, And then I get the hug.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
You know this, like you take the shots, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I'd make you take both shots and then get you
a little looped up and bammed before you know it,
long embrace and in the middle of a bar in Nashville.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Listen to me, the only thing that those two tequila
shots would invite is violence upon you, especially if you
were trying to hug me in the midst of me
having I mean, a meltdown is probably too strong a word.
But the words that I lobbed at Matherin as he
was missing those free throws at the end of the game,
or probably not. I mean, I know they're not saying

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for FCC safe Aaron. I take them back respectfully because
he's been a good player and has helped keep the
Indiana Pacers in this series.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
But you, I mean we should again.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
These are the kind of questions that we should put
on a pole if we were doing poles. And by
the way, you can send us your worst public moments
while watching your sports team at Buck Rising at Jason
Fitz at Fox Sports Radios. We're hanging out here with
you on a Fox Sports Saturday. But like, you can't
be a good hugger if you only come up to
about nipple height on me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Like, I don't think there's enough.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
There's not enough of you to satisfy the requirements for
me of a good hug.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Okay, first of all, I don't know that the world
wanted the image of me and your nipples.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
But number two and this is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Four to put you Okay, Look, look, I just went
to the doctor the other day and I got measured
in and I actually asked them to take a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
They wouldn't because we were in a medical facility. Like, nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
About hippo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Five nine in a quarter? All right, I am five
nine in a quarter, y'all. Make it sound like I'm
five five. I am five nine in a quarter. And
if i'd spiked my hair up, might have made it
to five nine and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
It's five nine in a quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
And you're making it sound like, hey, you are not
Andre the Giant, so I don't think I'm quite nipple
height and b I'm not you know, I'm not Shakira.
So I'm just I just want to point out that,
like I am a normal sized human being. I cannot
help it that you're like, you know, six two are
you six two six?

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
I'm six two six two and six three and heels
depending on the deck. Ian Mary Prince around awfully awfully
defensive for somebody who has to justify, especially when you
start to use fractions around your height, like nobody believes
in me.

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
I can't say anything. I'm five for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Oh, I mean, I'm thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:22:09):
I'm five eleven, which is like one of the worst
heights he can be because like you always see those
memes where it's the difference, but you know, like five
eleven six foot and it's like you know, it'll show,
you know, a vertically challenge individual versus like Yao ming.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
I'm just working around the hobits And I didn't realize them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Okay, we are not gonna be pc enough on the
show to say vertically challenged. We're just gonna say short,
all right. And I just want to admit, like I
was normal sized in high school, by the way, Like
I just want to point out like I was normal sized.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
I don't know what has happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Like I was at a Rivals event last year with
a bunch of high school juniors and seniors that are
all five stars for a five star camp, and I
was standing next to Mac Jones, the quarterback because we
were in Jacksonville, and even Mack looked around and he's like, man,
they didn't make them this size when I was in high.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
School, which wasn't that long ago. Like what is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I don't know what's happening to everybody that everybody's becoming huge.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I was normal sized. I refuse to admit that I
am now short, five nine, five nines.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Look, I wear a nine and a half shoe, like
the most average sized shoe in America. I'm five nine,
that's about average for hike. Come on, like all of
these things are average.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
He's just he's just like a little He's just like
a little baby.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
With his tiny little shoes and his you know, his
spiked up hair, giving him an extra inshirt.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
It's so cute.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
So if you tried to hug me, what I would
immediately turn around and do to you is like just
pinch you on the cheek as if you were a
small child and send you on your way.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
Get out of him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Hey, if he's literally baby right, I will take my
frozen grapes and I will enjoy my frozen grapes.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
A power grapes.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
Now, baby, talk to me about my losing basketball team.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Try if you try and pat me on the head,
I will absolutely but your nipples.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
So, now that we've made America uncomfortable, he's buck rising
on Jason Fitz. I'm sorry, I don't know how that happened. Well,
you know, the things are getting weird on a Saturday night.
That's what happens when we had out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Uh. There is this element of I'm just gonna be
the caution guy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Okay, because there's this series right now is tied to
to and here, what's gonna happen if Indiana wins the
next game and goes up three to two, what's everybody
gonna say, Well, you better take care of him now
because you don't want to get Oklahoma City in a
game seven. All right, that's what that the entire narrative
is gonna be. You don't want to get Oklahoma City
in a game seven. If Indiana loses, it's gonna be

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this series is basically wrapped up. Indiana's got Indiana's done now,
Like it is wild to me how how hard we
are working to bury the Pacers when all the Pacers
have done is gotten to two to two in this series.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I just at some point we have to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Step back and start acknowledging that I don't care what
their seating was coming into the playoffs. I heard the
guys be before us talking about the fact that you know,
a one seed versus a four seed feels like it's Look,
I don't care about the seating because regular season basketball
doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
So let's just.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Kind of admit here that whatever we thought this the
series would be should only be shaped by what we've
seen in the playoffs. And what we've seen in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Stop me if you've heard this before, is two teams
with incredible depth, two teams with stars against stand up,
two teams that find a way to win games, even
when you think they're out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I just I refuse to admit that the Pacers are
left for dead no matter what the outcome of the
next game is.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
I agree with you, and it's not just because I'm
biased here and I can't give you objective analysis about
one of my favorite teams. And I am standing for
the Indiana Pacers. And I do have my sad boy
radio hat on today as I mourn the loss yes
last night, and I be and I take it very,
very emotionally, and I behave as if I'm a you know,
a high school child at this point, throwing a fit

(01:25:45):
all day and then wallowing in my misery after the fact.
The Indiana Pacers are not left for dead. But it's tough,
and we talked about this in the first hour fits
he It's tough for me as a fan to kind
of reconcile, allright, tw two, Going back to OKC, if
you gave me that scenario in any other world, I
would feel confident as hell. I think the Pacers are

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about as cocky a four seed, by the way, and
not cocky, but as confident as sure of themselves as
a four seed has been in recent memory two to two.
Going back to OKC, I would feel on top of
the world. I'm like, they've got a shot. They were
nine and a half point underdogs in Game one. If
they pull off the upset of this NBA Finals series,

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it would be one of the biggest upsets in the
history of the NBA Finals. And I know OKAC to
have a truly better basketball player than anybody on Indiana
is SGA is a legitimate star. Halliburton is building his
lore throughout the course of the playoffs and has given
star power to the Indiana Pacers. He is now a

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name brand commodity at this point, but it's just been
until recently, and it took beating the Knicks right for
him to really get put on that kind of pedestal
for lack of a better term, as opposed to just
being the most overrated player as voted on bias Peers,
the Pacers are not left for dead, but they are
suspect only because they don't have a player on that

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roster that's as good as SGA. And at the end
of the day, even though this is one of the
most unpredictable NBA Finals series that you could probably come
up with and I would agree with you in that sentiment.
I'm still going to take the most talented team over
the team that has better dynamics and really really good
role players like what they're getting across the board from

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guys like Nemhard and TJ.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
McConnell and all.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
The other play Matherin even though he came up short
last night in the final moments that were frustrating. Right
to lose that game on free throws when you know
it's infinitely winnable. That's the thing that's stuck in my
crawl about the way that last night's game went because.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
I could have been up three to one. It was
a very winnable game.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
And I say this me but Pacers, they could have
been up three to one, the series at that point would.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Have essentially been over. No matter how much.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
OKC would push them to potentially a game seven. There's
reason to believe that they would because they are the
best team in the NBA this year. It's the frustration
of how they lost that game that it was there
in their grasp that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
They had the Fitzy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
They had the biggest lead in that game of any
game this series, and they found ways to squander it
down the stretch and OKC made up that gap right
They started to hit, They started to hit their shots
more regularly. It was it was better defense down the
stretch from OKC as well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Indiana.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Fundamentally, things like free throws, they're going to kill you
at the end, especially when you're playing a guy like
SGA who can get to the line as frequently as
he does, even if the free throws weren't a huge
part of his game last night.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
It's that in your grasp and.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
In fact comfortable lead, seeing that slip away and knowing
that you're going back on the road to OKAC when
you had the ability to shut them down at home.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
That's the thing that drives me crazy. Despite being two
to two.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
It does all of that. I understand why it drives
you crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
I just would I would beg people to think about
five guys in double digits, five different guys in double
digits on Indiana and the mark of this series. I
feel like every time of the broadcast they tell us
that I think it was the last game where early
on it was, oh my god, you can't practice for
the level of a defensive intensity that you get from
Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
That was the narrative early on in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
You also can't practice for the way Indiana wears everybody down,
and at some point it's part of your DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
At some point it is not luck. It is just
part of how you're wired.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
And I feel like Indiana's depth, which we talk a
lot about okay See's depth, but Indiana's depth is capable
of pushing teams longer into the game. And while it's
a cliche that belongs in Disney movies in high school
basketball of we're gonna run harder than everybody, I understand
that that's a cliche, it does feel like that is
what Indiana is capable of doing. Now, it didn't happen

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in the last game, and it's the first game so
far in this series where it felt like, come down
the stretch, Indiana was the one that sort of fell
off the path a little bit. Indiana ran out of
gas a little bit, Oklahoma City started hitting more shots,
SGA got some good looks than that mid range stuff,
and Scott Foster had some regrettable calls. I think all
of these things together created part of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
But now we end up with the series.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
That's to two, and as much as we want to
just talk about the box score, I think the way
the games have played out to me gives me more faith.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
I have more faith today.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
In Indiana being able to win this series than I
did before Game one, and that's because of the way
these games have actually played out. That being said, I
just mentioned Scott Foster. It's one of the most polarizing
things in this entire series, not about either team, but
about the guy who's officiating game. And at some point,
as much as we want to blame Scott, I'll blame

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the NBA and I'll tell you about it. Why next,
he's buck Rising Up, Jason Fitz We're hanging out with you.
It's Bucking Fits on a Fox Sports Saturday takeover on
Fox Sports Radio. The chance to go up to Gillette
and see Post Malone and Jelly Roll and my buddy
Derek Wells. If d Well's a big shout out, is
the musical director for Post Malone.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
He's also an incredible guitarist, producer that's all over a
bunch of albums.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
If you've heard anything out of Nashville in the last
ten years, you've consumed Derek Well's music and guy's.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Like a brother to me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
He is the musical director for Post Malone show, so
I've had the chance to see it a couple of times,
and I wanted to see the stadium show.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
It was everything I hoped it would be. Post was
absolutely incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
But I went into that show nervously excited to see
jelly Roll, somebody that from a distance I'm a big
fan of, but I've never seen him live, and it
might I walked away from that thinking that it might
be the best country show I've ever seen in my life.
I don't know that I've ever seen a more connective performer,
a more just authentic dude on stage his band. I

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mean there were like eleven people up there, twelve people
up there including the back of singers and whole thing.
And one of his backup singers was just I mean,
I don't know, like she was a straight conduit from
the audience to God, like she was bringing it. But
just the way that Jelly Roll approached that entire show.
Like we talk about snarky. I don't pay for tickets

(01:32:16):
to concerts, usually give them my background. It's just not
something like if I don't have great seats that somebody
gives me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I don't usually go the first to admit that I
would pay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I would pay whatever it took to see a Jelly
Roll show again, Like that was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
I was surreal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
So I got to give Jelly a shout out for
just being I mean, I still get goosebumps thinking about it,
and I haven't stopped listening to the music since this
all life.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Well, you know, he's my boy, that's my guy down here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
You know, you know famous people.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
You spent enough time in a city like Nashville, you
probably go it's just cool. And I agree wholeheartedly with
everything that you said about him. And we'll get back
to sports here on a Fox Sports Saturday here in
just a second.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
But Jelly's also die hard.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
I mean they're both Post and Jelly Roll, both die
hard Sorts fans. And Jelly's actually a listener to the
local show. And he invited me to that Music City
rodeo show the night before he played that show with
Post at Gillette that I know you saw, and you
know this, this should be a finable offense. We do
make it a finable offense for me. When I start
to name drop or talk about people in my rolodex,

(01:33:19):
on the local show, so perhaps we come up with
a fine system too when I do it nationally. But
he called into the show the day of the rodeo
and invited me to come down and hang out and
you know, do a little backstage stuff where ironically enough,
Vince McMahon was hanging out. I was stunned. It was
like seeing a ghost. I was confused. I had not

(01:33:40):
seen Vince McMahon obviously in person ever in my life.
But other than that Netflix documentary that came out that
was not a very good look for Vince McMahon. That's
the first time I've seen him appear anywhere publicly or privately.
So that was an interesting experience for sure. But FITZI,
he's the first one of my friends to I mean,
you both would fit this category, even though he's doing

(01:34:00):
things differently and you were obviously in a different role
during your time in the music industry.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
You guys are my friends that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Like made it, you know, like you see so many
starving artist types come to Nashville, when in reality, Nashville
is where you come once you've made it anymore in
the music business, as opposed to starting your or scratching
out a living here and then making your way up
so to see Jelly do it as as a hometown
hero here in Nashville, Tennessee, where I'm broadcasting from tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
I know you're up in Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
To see him be embraced by the country the way
that he has been in this pivot from rapper who
was selling mixtapes outside of tin roof across the street
from where I'm doing a show right now, to you know,
headlining a European concert tour with Post Malone and being
American Idols artist and residence. It's just it's a very
I'm like a proud stage mom when I go to

(01:34:50):
see his shows and stuff like that anytime he's in town,
and you know, I'm glad that we got the opportunity
to shout our boy out because he's making the city
that I live in and I love in a city
I know that's near and dear to your heart here
in Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Very very proud. So now let's talk about some basketball.

Speaker 7 (01:35:08):
Wait, Buck, what do you what do you even? What
do you call Jelly Roll? You want a first name,
bade you call it? I just looked it up. His
first name is Jason do you call him Jason or
Jelly Jelly.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
So we played in this pseudo celebrity softball That's it's
funny because my mom has recently discovered Jelly Roll because
he's mainstream now, which is wild to me.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
But he was.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
She was asking me about about Jelly's wife. Her name
is Bunny, and she's like, well, my mom was asking it.
So it's her last name, Bunny Roll DeFord, because that's
Jelly's last name is government name. By the way, recently
got a pardon so that he can do this international
tour as a convicted felon in his background. One of
the craziest stories of all time. But yeah, anytime, anytime

(01:35:51):
I'm around him, it's Jelly uh Ian. And so it's
a funny story. How we met. We were playing in
this minor league baseball pseudo celebrity softball game a couple
of years ago. This was he was, you know, notable,
but he hadn't hit it big yet. He was still
opening respectfully to Shindown. He was still opening for an
act like Shinedown, and now you know, couldn't really hold

(01:36:11):
his job.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
At this point.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
And no, no disrespect to Shindown is an act Terry
Bradshaw was our coach in that game because his bourbon
his bourbon company was sponsoring it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
So Jelly had me ripping.

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
Hot cosamigas tequila shots in the dugout while Terry Bradshaw
was barking out, Hey, donut hole, go run some routes
for me and throwing passes to Jelly roll during the game.
It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in
my life. And if this was the local show, I
would have been fined like seventeen times for all the
different names I just dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
No, no, no fines for dropping names. I can't help
the fact that we have famous friends. That's just the
way it goes by the way. I made it in
a way that I paid my bills and got to
see the world. Jelly made it in the way that
he gets to write private jets.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Student.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
That's a much different version of made it famous for
Also shout out to my buddy Chris Young. While we're
not dropping names. It was his birthday the other day,
so I know, see why listen.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
That's gratuitous. Find him? Do we have it nottuitous?

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
That's completely unrelated to the conversation I want to find show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
You said famous friends. I'm not. Look, I make no
bones about it, Lott.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Now it's just evolved.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
In who's the most famous person on your phone that
we can FaceTime, which we should honestly play sometime. O.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
God, I don't you know that's such a that's a
difficult question. That is a difficult question because I got
so many famous people in my phone. He's buck rising
on Jason Fitz. I hate myself right now the way
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Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
You'll see today's show posted right after we get off
the air.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
I've got plenty to say about Scott Foster, but it's
not his fault.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
It's a it's a long conversation. Let's bring in Steve Early.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
We're gonna get Steve to Seger to come in, get
us caught up on what's going on in the world.
Of Sports, so we can explain to you why it's
not Scott's fault.

Speaker 9 (01:38:05):
Steve, what do you got a couple notable baseball items
in a moment, but we've got scoring more of it.
In Game five of the Stanley Cup Final, it is
Florida leading four to one at Edmonton with about ten
minutes to go in the third series for the moment
tied at two. Brad Marshan with two more goals tonight.
That's ten in this postseason. Sam Bennett with his fifteenth

(01:38:26):
Sam Reinhart has scored tonight as well. Florida looking to
go up three games to two, and Florida would host
Game six on Tuesday. The NBA Finals continue Monday. WNBA
Indiana beat New York Caitlin Clark thirty two points. Sam
Burns leads the US Open by one stroke. Now to
Major League Baseball, Arizona has just scored five runs in

(01:38:47):
the bottom of the ninth to beat the Padres eight
to seven. They beat the closer with the most saves
in the Majors this year. Robert Suarez takes the loss.
He has twenty one saves. His ERA was one point
seven eight. He gave us up five in the ninth.
Arizona has won five in a row. The Diamondbacks were
facing a San Diego team that was only two games

(01:39:08):
back in the division to start the evening. The Giants
and Dodgers are tied for first in the NL West.
At Dodger Stadium, sho heeo Tani has hit a leadoff
homer as twenty fourth round tripper of the year. It
is now Dodgers one nothing in the bottom of the
second against rival San Francisco. The other late games at Seattle,
Mariners two nothing over Cleveland in the top of the third.

(01:39:29):
Boston beat the Yankees on Fox TV four to three.
It was a four to nothing lead after six innings.
Yankees DH gen Carlos Stan could be activated next week.
Atlanta four to one over Colorado. The Rockies record now
thirteen and fifty seven. The As sent Kansas City to
a fifth straight loss for nothing. Saint Louis won eight
to five at Milwaukee. Houston with a run bottom of

(01:39:50):
the ninth beat Minnesota three to two. That's four straight
victories for Houston. Baltimore held on six' five over The.
Angels Mike trout did hit a two run homer in
the first he's betting two six for The halos this.
Year texas won in eleven innings five to four over
The White. Sox philadelphia Edge toronto thanks to a solo
homer bottom of the eighth By Max, kepler three to
two over The Blue. Jays Tampa bay beat The mets

(01:40:12):
In New york again eight to. Four wins For, cincinnati The,
cubs And, miami which won four to three At. Washington
The nationals have lost seven in a. Row in, fact
The NAT's got two runs bottom of the ninth on
a wild pitch and an, error but left base is
loaded and lost.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Again back to, you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
He's buck rising On Jason Fitz's Bucking fits On Fox Sports.
Saturday On Fox Sports, Radio Scott, foster THE nba, ref
was in the news yesterday because, well he officiated last night's.
Game and what do you, know last night's game had
a bunch of, fowls and you had some misted fowls
along the way and some just just gratuos.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Moments of the.

Speaker 13 (01:40:52):
Replays Assault, now inconsistency is my biggest issue With, scott
where it feels like One, scott LIKE i know, him
but you, know it feels like one minute he's calling it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Tight in the next, minute he's letting him, play AND
i don't understand what's. Happening But, buck here's my. Thing
it's not his fault. Anymore he is who he is
as an. Official is the NBA's fault for putting him
on a. Game AND i don't care if he grades
out at a level that should allow him to get
AN Nba finals.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Assignment at some point you have to understand the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Reality and the reality Is twitter shouldn't be all a
buzz about a ref in a. Game and long before
this game even tipped, off what Was TWITTER x talking, About,
Oh Scott foster's on the.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Game we all know what that. Means the league's gonna
get third.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Way all of these conspiracy theories are so real at
this point THAT i feel like you cannot bury your
head in the. Sand it's not worth the conversation that
takes away from the game from having him be on the.
Sidelines to, me at some, point if You're Adam, silver
you got to look around and, SAY i don't want
anything to distract from two great teams in two great
cities with two great. Players so even if he deserves the,

(01:41:58):
ASSIGNMENT i, simply we wouldn't Put Scott foster on a
game because it's not worth what it does to devalue
the overall.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
Product let me ask you, This, so as A raiders,
fan do you check who the officials are before Every raiders?

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
Game?

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
No BUT i know a lot of For RAIDER fanci
do many.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
REFS i you, Know i'm not somebody who does this
like throughout the course of the regular. Season but playoff
games are different for obvious. Reasons AND i will go
and see who the official assignments are for the upcoming,
games especially when we get to THE Nba. Finals And
i'm telling, you WHEN i Saw Scott foster was one
of the three officials For game four of THE Nba
finals last, NIGHT i JUST i started.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
To get a little.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
QUEASY i he has become have you heard Of do
you know his?

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
Nickname?

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
No, they at least in some circles call him the,
extender all, Right, because whether it's real or whether it's,
imagined some of these questionable calls that affect out to
playoff series and may or may not ultimately end up
extending the series with lead fans like. Me And i'm

(01:43:08):
An Indiana pacers fan for those of you who haven't
been listening with us throughout the course of the show
or every time That fitzie AND i jump On Fox Sports.
Radio BUT i am A pacers fan And i'm miserable
today because there are.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
A couple of calls in that game that it would be,
very very easy for me.

Speaker 5 (01:43:23):
To make the case felt like it was going against
the home team in ways that would allow it to
extend the, series including a, blatant blatant miss. Trapped, listen
let me take nothing away FROM. Sga Shay Giljess alexander
has been. Excellent he's THE mvp of The National Basketball.
Association he is an absolute. Stud so IF i have

(01:43:44):
to lose TO, sga that's, fine but let it be
BECAUSE sga was, great and it not Because Scott foster
misses a blatant travel before drilling an absolute key jump
shot that GAVE okac that late lead ONE o, four
ONE oho. Three Because indiana after THAT vici never led.
Again so it will send the conspiracy theorist fans like

(01:44:08):
myself when it comes to egregious things committed against our team,
again real or, imagined it will send me into a.
Spiral and it was one of the. Things, yes, correct it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Is it is The.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Extender we could do a whole series of conspiracy theories
on The.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Extender i'm Sure Chris paul would like.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
To weigh in on the long and storied history Of
Scott foster as The. Extender it's just where my head.
GOES i wish THAT i wasn't like. THAT i Know
i'm supposed to not be like that because we are
sports media, professionals and at some point you have to
be able to apply that own objectivity to your favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
Teams BUT i couldn't last. NIGHT i. Couldn't and maybe
it was the.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
Tequila maybe's the cigarettes afterwards THAT i was trying to
use to calm my.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Rage but it was just an, awful awful.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
Performance By Scott foster on top of everything else that
the Pay us did unto themselves to lose that game
fair and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Square, YEAH i don't think we're pinning the loss On Scott,
foster but you're, right egregious. Travel there was an egregious push,
off and then there were a couple of, times two times.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
THAT i can.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
REMEMBER i can't remember exactly who was, pushed BUT i
felt LIKE i was watching LIKE nba, jam LIKE i
got one of THOSE nba jam cabinets where you you, know,
downstairs you can just play the old game and if
you can't make a, play you just tackle the. Guy
there were a couple of times THAT i watched guys
just get absolutely housed coming off with the ball that were,
pacers and it's it's hard to. Watch And i've had

(01:45:35):
the tremendous fortune With yahoo over the last couple of
years to work with a couple of guys that recently
played in the, league AND i asked both of them
the same thing when we were covering college basketball over
the last two. Years do you believe that THE nba fixes? Outcomes?
Essentially do you believe that they push? Outcomes and one
answer THAT i got BECAUSE i.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
DON'T i don't believe that THE nba, calls you, know
anybody and, says, HEY i want to make sure that
this game gets. Extended and the answer THAT i got
from one player THAT i thought was really, interesting you,
know when we were just, chatting was, NO i don't
believe that THE nba calls. People BUT i do believe
that THE nba rewards officials that understand what's what's for

(01:46:13):
the greater good of the. Game and that's. Gross that
just stuck in my.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Head it's just like because that was a player that
was less than a year away from his LAST nba
game saying that he does believe that the officials that
understand a you, know it would be good for the
league if this game goes six or, seven this series
goes six or seven. Games like to your point of the,
extender these are the things that you just you can't,
undo and right or wrong with these conspiracy, theories and

(01:46:42):
right or wrong with the way officials are. Judged you
cannot change the popular perception that exists Around Scott. Foster
so at some point don't you have a responsibility to
just not allow the conversation to even? Start and it
just comes back to, that you, know perceptionist reality. Concept

(01:47:03):
AND i think you do have to be keenly where
in today's, world particularly because social, media slow, motion instant,
replay the way that we watch these clips over and
over and over. AGAIN a miss call twenty years ago
was a conversation for a. MINUTE a miss call now
By Scott foster is part of a montage that will
be played every single day for the next year on social.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Media Like that's WHY i just think all of this
could have been. Avoided if you're THE, nba just why
even put them on the. Floor what is the game
you get for the conversation that's.

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
Created it's it's tough when you when you see other
fan bases or other people of note and sports media.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Or things like.

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
That for, EXAMPLE i Saw Bill simmons tweet last. Night
Obviously Bill simmons a Diehard celtics fan and somebody who's
been on THE nba coverage FOR espn and now doing
his own thing with a very very reputable network OF
nba analysts on the. Ringer WHEN i See Bill, simmons
When i'm already in my feels about the way That
Scott foster is officiating a, game AND i see a

(01:48:09):
tweet from somebody Like Bill simmons that, Says i'm glad
to be here for the Most Scott fostery game. Ever
it is going to send me into a. Spiral and
then when you combine that with AND i don't want
TO i don't want to bungle what you just said
or articulated in terms of refs being rewarded by the
league when they understand when they're doing things that they

(01:48:30):
think are in the best interest of the, league THAT
i articulate that, correctly that that's.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
Articulated really, well, yes what what?

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Is how how DO i apply that? Sensibility?

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
Like how DO i watch last night and find any
way in my? Head even If i'm objective And i'm,
NOT i completely understand That i'm emotional and very upset
that my basketball team lost last, night And i'm as
upset at The pacers as i am At Scott, foster
Though Scott foster being a fixture in this makes me
even more. Upset how AM i supposed to understand or
compute what about those calls lends itself to good of the,

(01:49:03):
game or What Scott foster does in general that lends
itself to.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
The good of the game that would put him.

Speaker 5 (01:49:08):
In a position to be able to call games Like
game four of THE Nba.

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
Finals it's nonsense to, me absolute.

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
Nonsense and the fact that even if it's something that
is you, know not not pen and, paper, right not
not documented for people to find the unwritten rules of
how THE nba assigns league officials to various games and
things like, that even if that is something that has
given real life in dark corners of THE nba offices
that we don't talk. About that makes me sick to
my stomach because there's NOTHING i can do about. That

(01:49:36):
there's nothing that my basketball team can do about that
other than, just you, know let go and let basketball
gods and throw my hands up in the air and
complain About Scott foster batching games or botching calls like
you did with that. Job that travel makes. Me i'm
so mad having to think about that travel.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
AGAIN i feel like it's weird too for a league
that does have a two minute report that is so
trans parent about the calls that they, miss to put
themselves in this. Situation just the number of Times Adam,
silver WHO i, SAW i think perk was the one
that's the best commissioner in all the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Sports AND.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
I laughed at that moment Because Adam silver is reactionary in.
EVERYTHING i want the best commissioners in all of sports
to be. PROACTIVE i want the best commissioners to anticipate,
problems to anticipate, growth to anticipate, opportunity to anticipate ways
to improve the. GAME i don't want the best commissioners
to wait Until Steven a yells about what the All

(01:50:35):
star game format should, be and then make. CHANGES i
don't want the best commissioners to sit there and just
look at the books and, say, well here's the score
and here's the, number and the fair way is to.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Give Scott foster this. GAME i want the best commissioners
to look at the good of the, game the growth
of the, game and the spirit of every, conversation and
anticipate what we're gonna yell about to make sure that
we can't yell.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
About it is easily And Adam silver just doesn't do,
that and as a, Result Scott foster in these. Games
my only hope is that he doesn't end up in
another game in this, series because that is a nightmare
none of us. Need as that series goes down to the,
Wire he's buck rising, Up Jason fitz coming. Up it's
time for the best game show in all of? Sports
would you? Rather we'll do it? NEXT i said, IT

(01:51:16):
i said it, Loud the best game? Show would you?

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Rather coming up? Next On Fox Sports?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Radio he's buck rising, Up Jason fitz bucking fits On
Fox Sports, Saturday hanging out with, you coming at your
live from The Fox Sports radio. Studios all, right if
you listen to bucket ey ad. All you know that
we end every single show the same, way and it's

(01:51:43):
usually really clunky to start. With but we're gonna do
it this. Time, buck all, right we're gonna do. It
you are not gonna say this, together and it's gonna
be so good even though we're in two different cities
and there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Little delay sometimes we're about to do. This are you?
Ready are you? Ready we're ready to try, This? Buck, No,
okay here we. Go it's time for. Wood.

Speaker 7 (01:52:03):
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get worse at it every.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Week shut up him in my.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
EAR i time it out, correctly if it's. If if
if the delay is throwing us, off that's collusion against.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Us then you need to account for the. Delay. Right
how do we count a?

Speaker 7 (01:52:24):
Right for the seconds after it looks Like fitzy's mouth
starts moving then you start, Talking you know?

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
What maybe a good time, to by the, way say
shout out to Producer ian for doing great. Work maybe
next time you could help us do, That like you
could produce this up a little, bit help us through
it instead of just leaving us out here to.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Die on the. Vine.

Speaker 7 (01:52:43):
Ian, Yeah, yeah that's. TRUE i could do, that but
you know this is more.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Fun, yeah that's probably. Fair what do you Go you're
gonna read? Us or would you? Rather we'll figure out
which one we? Got what do you got?

Speaker 11 (01:52:52):
For?

Speaker 7 (01:52:52):
Yeah well we have the big shiny bright wheelback in
studio to help pick a would you rather? Question so
let's go ahead and get a spin. Wheel, Okay so
would you rather always have cheeto dust on your fingers
or always feel like you have a popcorn kernel stuck

(01:53:13):
in your?

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
Teeth? Oh cheeto.

Speaker 5 (01:53:15):
Dust there is nothing LIKE i love, popcorn BUT i
swear To GOD i won't eat it because it makes
me insane when it gets caught in the roof of
my mouth or like behind a tooth or something like.
That there is nothing more irritating to, me even though you,
know to go.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Through life with cheeto dust on your hands is. Disgusting
the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
With that is, that, like, LOOK i get it's annoying
to have the popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Kernel you're right about, That but what about like it's
A saturday, night what about like maybe you're at the,
bar Maybe Buck rising is getting ready to do the
hibbity dibity taking a lady home and you got cheeto
dust all over your.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Fingers that's a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Breaker she's gonna look at the fingers and don't give
me like it's gonna get sexy because it's, not because
it's always.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
There like the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Minute she tries to hibitty and help, you like it's
it's gonna be back on the, Fingers you're Never you're
never going to get the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Sex so Like i'm. OUT i want the popcorn. KERNEL
i want the popcorn kernel and the cheeto. Dust i'll
JUST i. DON'T i can't have to think about.

Speaker 7 (01:54:11):
It the popcorn kernel is going to give you a cavity.

Speaker 5 (01:54:13):
Eventually well would you would you rather have a cavity
or would you rather never get laid?

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
AGAIN i think that's the question.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
That we're all. Having hit me all the. Cavities i'll
take all the.

Speaker 7 (01:54:21):
Cavities there would be like it would just be, known
like everywhere you've, been it's, like oh there's, orange there's
orange stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Everywhere you're like a like a. Criminal, yeah it doesn't.
Worry she's not even gonna let you help her take
any of the clothes off. Either but she's gonna be
LIKE i got it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
As long as it's cheeto dust and not like wing,
sauce BECAUSE i know people have made that mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
Before that's. All that's a hospital. Trip all, right.

Speaker 7 (01:54:48):
Let's go ahead and spin the wheel. Again, okay this
is a good. One would you rather have to wear
clown shoes to every form event you go to or
a tuxedo to every casual hangout you go?

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
To, OH i think the tuxedo to every casual, event
because then you can just be. Ironic but if you
continually wear clown shoes to formal, events eventually like you're
just YOU'RE i don't, KNOW i feel like you're a
bit of an idiot, there, Book SO i will go
a tuxedo to the casual event because then you're, like you,
know the guys on the sidelines wearing dumb and dummer.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
STUFF i already do. That, Awkward that's that's. Fair sorry
in the, wheel wasn't ready for.

Speaker 7 (01:55:34):
It all, right pretty straightforward one, here AND i actually
would venture to GUESS i know what both of you
are going to, say But i'll ask it. Anyway would
you rather only be able to whisper for the rest
of your life or only be able to shout.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
For the rest of your? Life, WELL i feel.

Speaker 5 (01:55:52):
Like it's a bit of a Dead do you have
a way to ask two professional loud mouths what they
would rather? DO i honestly, THOUGH i THINK i would
whisper BECAUSE i don't like the sound of my own
voice and the amount of times THAT i get told
to quiet down by friends and loved ones is deeply
annoying to. Me but It's i'm probably lying to myself
to make myself feel better about.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
It But i'd probably go with the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
WHISPER i gotta go with the shout because anything you
whisper becomes immediately. Creepy like IF i IF i see
you in a, bar like your hair, cut, like everything's,
Fine but IF i walk up to, You i'm, LIKE
i love your. Haircut now all of a, sudden, boy
dust on your. Hands, no IF i walk up to,
like IF i walk up to you, say oh my,

(01:56:35):
god CAN i bet your?

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
Dog? Fine IF i walk in and, go oh my,
god CAN i bet your? Dog? No, no the answer is, NO.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
I take it. Back are all answers?

Speaker 7 (01:56:44):
Final, yep it's. Fine no taking it back to.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Like can you get one more in? Quick?

Speaker 7 (01:56:49):
Yeah we spin the, wheel, quick, quick, quick? Quick oh
good one all. Right would you rather have a pet
sloth that moved super slowly but follows you everywhere you,
go or a parrot that aggressively narrates everything that happens
in your?

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Life an aggressive narrating, parrot BECAUSE i don't want to
have to wait for the.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
Sloth it'll just piss me.

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
Off Cosan i've Always i've always had the narrative in my.
Head why not make an animal do?

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
It thanks To, Ian thanks To mary Mac thanks To Steve,
Disager he's buck rising.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Up Jason, fitz thank you for hanging out

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