Mark Willard & Ephraim Salaam React to Shedeur's Plummet, Lakers Falling Behind & More!

Mark Willard and former NFL offensive tackle Ephraim Salaam (in for Alex and Carmen) open the show reacting to Shedeur Sanders plummeting all the way to the fifth round of the NFL draft! Is the outrage surrounding his fall justified? Ephraim shares some insight from his own experience as a Day 3 NFL draft pick. Later, the guys get into some NBA Playoff talk, reacting to the Timberwolves going up 2-1 on the Lakers, discussing the Thunder's dominance, Jimmy Butler's injury and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, spend quite a day in Cleveland, hasn't it. I mean,
isn't it. It was the Army that used to say,
we do more before nine am than most people do
all day. Let's switch it. It's now Cleveland that does
more before at least nine am our time out here
in the West than anyone does all day. But let's
spend part of the day together, shall We were live

(00:26):
in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Datsy from Salam. I'm
Mark Willard. Good afternoon to you and.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
And hello e from a day ahead of when we.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Used to we usually get to sit and chat. We'll
do it again tomorrow night. But how are we doing?
I'm doing good. I'm glad we got this extra day
in this week.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, there's just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
To talk about it. I don't want to waste anymore time.
What's your take? What's you take? So for those of
you who maybe you've been out and about. In fact,
it happened to me earlier today. You guys started being
like beeping to beat beat beep.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, like what I'm coaching?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Like, Bro, we're in the second inning and we're up
five nothing down at the park.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
You gotta tell me what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, Shad Door Sanders goes to the Cleveland Browns and
obviously the pick itself.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Is far and away not the entire stories.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
One hundred and forty fourth pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
What's your take on how this has all played out
over the last forty eight hours?

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Now, first of all, someone with his talent and it's universal.
It wasn't like he wasn't talented. We've never seen anyone
who was rated this high going into the combine and
everything fall to the fifth round at the quarterback position. Now,

(01:47):
a lot of things have transpired. There's a lot of
stuff out there on why this happened, whether it be cockiness, arrogance,
whatever that may be, but based on talent and some
of the quarterbacks that were drafted before him, Now that

(02:07):
I think that's the most insulting part. Some of those
guys that were drafted before him, like the thirty year
old seven year college kid out of Louisville who's had
four season ending.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Surgery.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Is that shuck got We gotta figure out how to pronounce. Yeah,
I think it's shucked. I think it's how it's show
me show.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Me what you're working with. Anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
But you know, when you start looking at things like that,
and and Dylan Gabriel, who now is you know, teammate
and we'll have to compete, I wonder who's gonna win
that battle. I mean, it's a situation where obviously there
are some things said and felt about Shedua Sanders outside

(03:00):
of football that had this young man drop to the
fifth round. I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm happy
and I'm proud of him that he got drafted. A
lot of people was like, oh, he's humbled now, and
what this young man has done nothing wrong. He's never

(03:20):
had an issue off the field. He's never been a
guy who caused problems anywhere he's been. He's been a leader.
He took an HBCU Jackson State to undefeated season. He
took a program that was worse and Division one college

(03:40):
football and made them viable. They were one game away
from a possible playoff, one went away from a possible
playoff last year. And as a leader, he's rallied his team.
And that guy who has the DNA and the lineage

(04:03):
of greatness, that guy falls to the fifth round, fifth round,
fifth sound so, And I don't want to get too political,
but well, you know what.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
The first thing that reminded me of I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I bet I do. I don't, but I bet I do.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Well let me I'm no no, no, no, no, it's
not but look, I want to say this and then
I'll get to the other.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
The first thing it reminded.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Me of is a long, long, long long time ago,
long before you and I and well, uh, well before us,
right around the country was being founded and and things
like that. They would they would bring people over who
didn't necessarily want to be here, and after they got

(04:55):
off that ship, they would pick the biggest, the strongest,
and the loudest one and they would humble on it.
They would humble him. They will break him down in
front of everybody. And that was how they taught people
how to act like they wanted him to act.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
It was called buck breaking.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
And they would say no, no, Now, nobody wanted to talk,
nobody wanted to be big, nobody wanted to be strong,
nobody wanted to be confident. They would everybody was going
to be subservient. And so if that's what you're looking
for in your quarterback, it reminded me of of that

(05:43):
which which which is infuriating at this day and age.
But what pick was Johnny manziel.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Uh the twenty something in the first round? First round?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, you mean money Menzel who was high and drunk
at the combine, who had failed his drug test. That
that guy gets drafted in the first round.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Sure did, and was a bus that you could see coming.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
It's so, I mean he had a bit of an
ego on him.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Didn't he just a little bit, just a little bet.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
He didn't interview particularly well.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Did he. I mean, I have no idea, but I
wouldn't think so.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
And so when you look, he did run into issues
at at school, didn't he absolutely in fractions broke broke
some laws under investigation perhaps, And so not even the
third as talented as Shoulder didn't have a third of

(06:55):
the leadership ability as should Dour And so it just
biggs to question the pundits like mel Kuyper. I thought
he would just gonna flip over the desk and leave. Yeah,
I thought he was done. I thought he was gonna
be like f the NFL, I'm out of here, like
he was that he's still mad.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, you know what, you said that, I think is
really key to this conversation. And I bring this up
almost as a question more than a statement, because you
didn't say, if when you're talking about kind of taking
somebody's attitude away from them, we want them to be subservient.

(07:36):
You didn't say, do we want our football players this way?
You said do we want our quarterbacks this way? And
I think this is a really, really key point because
I can sit here right now on one hand and go,
please stop with this idea that the NFL is racist
and doesn't want loud, brashlo commend in the league.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Good God, look.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Around are My mo was like, Wow, you know the
whole draft.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Is people, does Tyreek Hill not play in this league? Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
But is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Because if you do look around the league at the
quarterback position.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
They don't want that.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I don't think you could find they don't want it
a camp, at least to the perception. I've never met
Shador Sanders, and I'm not bothered by people who have
massive personalities.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Well remember that those Cam Newton when he came out.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Okay, that's probably as close as we've gotten. And I
know everybody in the world is just fighting like hell
to not use the name Colin Kaepernick right now because,
as you said that, I don't. I don't think this
is political. Actually don't really. I didn't like it when
that was called political. It was made political the same

(09:07):
way Covid was. It didn't need to be that way.
But anyway, let's put that aside. Is that essentially what
we're talking about here. Have we arrived at this not
because of the way she do or is or his
family is, but because of the position he plays.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with it.
If he's a receiver or a linebacker or a defensive
end or something like that, they're like, Hey, that's what
we want.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
We want that energy come be it crazy.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yeah, we want him to be better. We want him
to think he's better than everyone else. If I'm running
a team, I want every player at every position to
believe they're the best at that position.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I know what that feels like in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
I know what it feels like to go into camp
and you're drafted later than you expected. In what mentality
you have to have to build out a thirteen year
career with one hundred and twenty nine starts. I know
what that is. I know the confidence and arrogance you
have to have in order to do that. People don't

(10:14):
understand how hard it is not only to make the NFL,
but to stay in the NFL. If you don't have
borderline narcissistic views of yourself. This is this is real.
This is the one hundred percent. That's why everybody can't
do it. That's right, It almost got to be. Well,

(10:37):
they're well, it is, you are crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Well, you're an odds buster at such an unbelievably high
level that I agree you have to. You have to
have kind of a screwers to to get that.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Far and and and to have.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
That kind of success when the odds are that highly
stacked against you. And that's just to make it, and
then there's stay and then there's be a star.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
These are completely different. This is why I was laugh
like crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Somebody scores a touchdown and dudes on a couch, Well,
act like you've been there before. Calm down, young man,
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people
have been there before? It's like twelve It's essentially in
the history of the world. And there's a million people
watching and you want everyone to stay calm. I reject
all of that stuff. Boy, I got all kinds of

(11:33):
questions though, what we get to do what we do
because A I don't think that there is really kind
of like, there isn't a camp for this.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And think about think about what.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
We consider normalcy when a defensive back like his dad
is drafted, and then ask yourself, would you still like
that if a quarterback did it. Think of all those
draft calls that we get to hear on social media,
and what do they say. They all say the exact
same thing. Coach, you got a dog, coach. Coach, I'm

(12:13):
so fine, you got a dog. Coach, Coach, I'm gonna
practically bark right here on the phone.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
What would we do if Jackson Dart did that? How
would you feel?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
How would you feel if if the quarterback, if if
cam Ward, if cam Ward had walked up there for
that press conference and just started saying you got a dog,
it would stun people. I would bet so. Part one
of this for me is your observation. Again, not saying right,

(12:52):
wrong or otherwise, but I think this has a lot
to do with the position that he plays more than
who he.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Is yeah, of course, the fact that he's a quarterback
and we only want our quarterback. Got to remember, I mean,
it wasn't that long ago. We were alive when they
said black people couldn't black athletes couldn't be quarterback.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Wow. I think it was only like a year ago.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Cowhard suggested the quarterbacks shouldn't even have a backwards hat.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
You can't wear a backwards hat and in this phrase
quarterback and what the what does that mean? Right? Like
when you start using all these buzzwords and in all
of these well, I was, you know, the face of
the franchise. I don't want him to wear a backwards hat.
I don't I want him to be quarterbacking. I want

(13:43):
him to be able. I don't want him to have
a personality. I don't want him to be confident and arrogant.
You know who was one of the most confident and
arrogant players on the planet Earth. They called him the Goat.
The first thing Tom Brady said when he got to

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New England after he got drafted is the best decision
you've ever made.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
For your franchise.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
That's pretty pretty cocky for a six round draft pick,
how dare he?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I'm pretty sure, but what if he didn't.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Walk in there with that level of.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
Confidence, wouldn't have succeeded. You see what I'm saying. There's
a direct correlation with that. When you bet on yourself,
when you have the abilities and the talent, and you're
all in on you, that's when greatness happens.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
And so.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
All of this, Oh, well, you know, I don't want
my quarterback to I don't want my They got on
Lamar Jackson. Well he needs an agent. How dare he
do his own deal? Oh no, he said, what it's weird,
seems odd. Seems odd to me.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Okay, a lot more to get to and coming up next,
you're gonna want to hear some of the things that
we've compiled from those in the know. I think you'll
find it interesting what Todd McShay shared about this situation,
because it is also I think at least a fair

(15:24):
question to ask is, do teams, no matter what the
perception is, no matter what people's draft board said, no
matter what anybody's last name is, do they have the
right to hire whoever the hell they want to hire
when when it comes to a situation like this, And

(15:45):
I think that there are some things that, for instance,
Todd had to say that might add to the conversation
at least from one angle. So we'll play that and
continue to discuss it coming up next. You better, I'll
tell you what though. You better thank Shador Sanders. You
better personally thank Shador Sanders, or else this whole damn

(16:06):
two hours would have been about your Lakers.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Are we talking football or basketball? Oka are doing?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I mean, we will, we will get there, we do.
I do want to hear what you think about what
happened last night in Minnesota, So all of that is
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Speaker 2 (17:05):
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Speaker 3 (17:14):
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does does this feel eye opening? Does this feel relevant?
Irrelevant or anywhere in between? Longtime draft analyst Todd McShay,

(17:49):
this was now prior to all of the rounds that
have unfolded. It was not prior to the first I
think it was prior to the second and third round.
So maybe this is prior to what happened yesterday in
the evening.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
But listen to what.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Draft analyst Todd McShay shared about the Shador Sanders situation.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Was there any breaking news? Nothing breaking?

Speaker 7 (18:15):
But I'm starting I read a couple of people are, like,
you know, Shador is in play at number three.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Shad Door's not in play at three.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Chaud Door's not in play with the New York Giants.
As far as I'm told, Chador didn't have a great
interview with Brian Dabole in a private, private visit. An
install package came in the preparation wasn't there for it
got called out on it.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Didn't like that. Brian didn't appreciate him not liking it.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
I've said this before, and it started at the combine
and a couple of days after the combine. We I
don't like saying report like we don't report anything I shared.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I shared in that I got that.

Speaker 7 (19:01):
I know if I'm getting it that information people that
are in this business that are really great at their
job and talking to a lot of same people I'm
talking to, and probably more I know more. I was
surprised it wasn't being talked about that Shador Sanders. I
told you if you've been following the show from the beginning,

(19:22):
I told you there were two personnel people that I
spoke to who were in the room during interviews, which
means they were their key parts of the organization.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Let's leave it at that.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
Two teams drafting in the top ten with quarterback needs
where the interviews did not go well, not disrespectful, nothing harsh,
just felt like the phrase I've been using and I
think it aptly.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Describes it sharedoor didn't.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
We didn't get the sense that Shador cared all that
much about what we thought of him.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
How does that grab you, hey, from does that provide.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't know anything an angle to this? What do
you think?

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Well, yeah, I had heard rumblings that, you know, the
interviews weren't going well, are you know? He you know,
came off as arrogant, and yeah, all of those things.
Now all of that plays apart into this. That's true,

(20:28):
It all plays apart. I understand the New York angle.
Everything they do these these last three days is going
to have a real adverse effect on whether they have
jobs next year this time.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's a good point.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
So they can't make a mistake, Brian day Ball, the GM,
they can't make a mistake. The world has seen how
an up they are at what they're supposed to be
great at. So for the New York Giants thing, if

(21:16):
you're not all in on a guy, then you can't
roll the dice there.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
You can't.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
And so I understand why they're doing what I knew
they were gonna get Abdul Carter, because that's a that's
a lot, that's like an edge Rusher.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Right, we.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
One of the best athletes, could be one of the
best players, second best player in the draft. They hit there,
I made a great move, came up, drafted Jackson Dart.
So now they got a quarterback to go with the

(21:59):
you know, the veteran quarterback, and you know he can
learn behind Russell Wilson. But they cannot make mistakes, and
so they have been hyper focused on making the right
picks because this year in a division where they're clearly

(22:20):
the worst team in the division, in a division that
has the Super Bowl champion, in a division that has
the next bright shining star at quarterback, and the commanders
you have to be perfect.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
So I get that from them. I understand that.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I think where we're heading. Two.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I mean, there is a conversation and I know that
this is boy, it doesn't work in today's social media age.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
But we got here, Shador in the fifth round.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
We got here because of the actions of multiple people,
not one. This is not one thing. This is not
the league and the owners hate black quarterbacks. This is
not They hate brash, arrogant behavior. There are pieces of that.
Shador got himself here too. Yes, yes, okay, yes, right,

(23:27):
more on Matt in a second. Let's let's find out
what's trending. Let's get Martin. Weis in here and we'll
keep going.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Martin, Well, you guys mentioned the news of today.

Speaker 8 (23:36):
In the NFL draft, Shador Sanders drafted one hundred and
forty fourth overall in the fifth round, the second quarterback
not off the board, but the second quarterback taken by
the Cleveland Browns also drafted Oregon quarterback Dylan Gabriel. Cleveland
traded up to get Shador Sanders with Seattle. Seattle also
traded quarterback Sam Howell to the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Today.

Speaker 8 (23:59):
Vikings rated a fifth round pick to the Seattle for
a Sam Howel and a fifth round pick.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
They traded picks there.

Speaker 8 (24:06):
Seattle drafted Allen We have a quarterback Jlen Milroe in
the third round, So clearing the decks a bit there
and the NBA right now.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
With two minutes left in.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
The first half, the Grizzlies have a two point lead
over the thunder fifty five to fifty three. John Morant
not playing in this one, Jay Gilders Alexander with sixteen points.
Fanti Aldama from Memphis with twelve points. In the earlier
in the NBA, the Cavaliers smacked the Heat It's a
three to zero series lead. This one was almost a
forty point margin, one twenty four to eighty seven. Dared

(24:39):
Allen with a twenty two point ten rebound double double.
Donovan Mitchell was sixteen points but as you know, didn't
really need much more than that. In the NHL, the
Golden Knights and the Wild tied one apiece with six fifteen.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Left in the first period.

Speaker 8 (24:52):
Earlier in the Lightning got back into the series with
the Panthers, they were down too well. They end up
winning five to one today to go ahead and cut
that margin and half. In Major League Baseball, the top
of the eighth inning, the Twins have a five to
one lead over the Angels. Bottom of the seventh, the
Cardinals with a five to three lead over the Brewers.
Bottom of the fifth, Reds, Rockies tied three apiece, Nationals

(25:12):
and Mets just getting started to still scoreless there they've
played two are in the bottom of the second inning
rather Phillies in the Cubs scoreless. Texas with a one
run lead over the Giants one and nothing. Bottom of
the second on Fox, the White Sox with a four
nothing lead, over the Athletics top of the second inning,
and the Tigers beat the Orioles four.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
To three in game one of a doubleheader. They're getting
ready to start Game two.

Speaker 8 (25:35):
Their guardians beat the Red Sox five to four, and
the Yankees and Blue Jays postponed due to weather. Make
a date tomorrow, Ephram remark back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
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(26:08):
dot com slash Draft. All right, Like I'm interested in
every bullet point on this. So, okay, what have we
sort of gotten out of our first half hour here?
I do think that a lot of this is because
chadur is a quarterback, and so teams are, Yes, are teams.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Scared of brash, arrogant behavior in the NFL?

Speaker 7 (26:30):
No?

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Are they scared of it at their at the quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, probably, and certain guys are going to play this
really cool, calm and collected and conservative because their jobs.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Are on the line.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
You just detailed that the other I think that there's
no escaping this, and I have no problem saying it.
If Chadour Sanders and again I wasn't in the room,
but I trust Todd McShay. If Shadoor Sanders is walking
into meet with teams that need a quarterback and they're

(27:04):
putting a game plan in front of him to study
and he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Study it, there's a problem.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And then they call him out on it and he
doesn't want to be called out on it.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
That's a problem.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Come on, So that it's a piece of it.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I mean I had heard that there were man maybe
more than half the league that flat out took him
off of their board. And maybe some of that is
because we're not looking for a quarterback at all.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
But well, the thing about this year's draft, there were
only a handful of teams that actually were in the
market for quarterback. So what happens when you get to
the fifth round. You everybody's looking for a quarterback in

(27:53):
the fifth round, because it doesn't matter who you have
starting that's a backup. Everybody's drafting for their second of
their quarterback in the fifth round. Everyone, I think Kansas
City took a quarterback. Are they in the market for
a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (28:11):
But in the fifth round, yeah you take one?

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah? Why not? You may end up with an unbelievable asset,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
And so it was no big stretch for Cleveland to
take Shadeur. They moved up to get them, but it
was no big stretch for Cleveland to take Shadeur in
the fifth round. But what it does is now their
quarterback room is pretty full.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Oh well, it's full.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
And I know that you said you're drafting your second
or third quarterback. I don't know if Cleveland has anything
but second or third quarter.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
That's all they have.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
That's so problem.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Currently they have Kenny Pickett, okay, Joe Flacko, Deshaun Watson, uh,
Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
And should your sounders correct?

Speaker 5 (29:01):
So they have five quarterbacks at a franchise who hasn't
been able to get the quarterback position right now.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
To their credit, they're like, we're gonna get it right
this time.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Somebody coming out of here and it's going to be
a viable starter, and look, competition.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Competition breeds greatness.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
So if you're if you come into camp with five quarterbacks,
de Shine's off the table because he won't be ready.
Joe Flacco's really just a placeholder. It's not his team.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
But wouldn't you argue if I had to put my
chip in one of those five slots for who starts
week one.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Joe Flacco?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Don't you think?

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Well, it depends on how this camp goes. Sure, because
they don't want Joe fla go to start week one.
I can promise you that they don't want that.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Who do they want Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
They want one of these young quarterbacks to step up.
That's where the competition aspect comes from. They don't want
Joe Flacco. They want Joe Flacco to be there. If
it's not going well, then we can yes, they don't
want him to be QB one. I can promise you
that you don't get to save your job having Joe

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Flack goles QB one. You don't get to continue coaching
having Joe Flack goes QB one. You do if you've
drafted a young quarterback who can come in at a discount,
what third round yesterday, fifth round today. If one of

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those two surface as a starter, then you've bought yourself
some time and the end of their viable starr.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
They got to get even got a lot of they
got a lot of talent, they got.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
A lot of play, they got a lot of players.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
So I'm saying, if the going in in mini camps
and training camp, everybody's going to be watching because now
they're a quarterback hub. Someone someone's gonna get traded, someone's
gonna be available if something doesn't work out for other teams.

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But I will say, who would you put your money
on out of those five? Just on what you know.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Who would I put my money on.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Well, let's let's go. Let's go.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Let's take Joe Flacco and and and se DeShawn out
of it. Yes, and so you got Kenny Pickett, Dylan
Gabriel and and Shador Saunders.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I need to pick one to do what.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
To start opening day?

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I mean the door Sanders is easily the most talented.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Of the group.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
This is easily the most talented of the group. I
don't know. I don't know what he's going to do now,
though I don't. I don't you know what I mean,
I don't know what he's going to look like. Did
this experience where people are out in the public saying, dude,
you blew off draft meetings, You've got in a fight

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with Brian Dayball and like, you know what I mean,
if you are you gonna now come in to camp
with a little bit more of like I really want
to work hard and well and good you walk in
there like I think That's the thing that's really been
bothering me about what they've said about.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
This young man, okay, is what nothing he's shown alludes
to him not working hard. That's the problem the story.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
We just heard Todd mc shaye tell that that's work
like if you didn't work for the interview, if you
if you were given an assignment.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
And we don't know what the context of that is.
We don't now, and I'm not going to make excuses
for him.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
But nothing he's shown on the field at whatever program
he's been at shows that he's lazy. That's fair, right,
does not taking it serious, that's fair, not a good leader.
So this whole notion of oh he's not a hard
worker's completely fun. You think you can be a lazy,

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entitled and you're the son of Deon Sanders. You think
you remember we watched Shadueur.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
That's not my perception.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
We watched Sedure raised on TV.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
They had a reality show when he was doing Pop
Warner and all of that.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
We've seen how hard he works, yep, and.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
So this notion all of a sudden he's not a
hard worker is ridiculous to me, and it's unfair to him.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
All Right, much more to say on this.

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Speaker 4 (35:02):
What you got sounth gun right there?

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Oh? Yes it is.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
But I just you know, the best pick in the
draft Branson Taylor, pick one.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Offensive tackle from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Why is that the best pick in the draft?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Because that's the number of.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
When I was draft Oh I thought you liked the
kid or something. I mean, like like you're like I
do now any of the one hundred and ninety nine
picks in the draft.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
People don't understand just how hard it is to be
that pick and become something.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Right.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
I went in a training camp so far down on
the depth chart you couldn't see me, and a few
six weeks later I was one of the eleven walking
out opening day. That's impossible.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That's special.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know what you should do coming up here in
ten minutes because I don't want to jam it into it.
You know, a small space. I'd love to hear where
you were. How you found that time? Yeah, story time?
How small was that signing bonus?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I'll give it all to you, I'll give you, I'll
give it all to you, how small was my salary?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Huh uh huh.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
So tune in top of the next hour story time.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Okay, Okay, a couple of things that I do think
have happened here, and I don't I haven't heard anyone
talk about this, and I wonder my bet would be
that Shadeur doesn't give a crop about this. But from
the moment that Dion got the job at Colorado, and

(37:10):
from the moment the most of the world I know,
Shador had already been playing, But that's when he became
a household name.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
That's when the average.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Joe sports fan got to see Chador for the first
time and immediately and we all know, damn why. And
this is where I do believe that it's just kind
of all racism or kind of like cultural the moment

(37:39):
he became this controversial figure for no good reason at all,
where there were a lot of people rooting against him
for no good reason at all, just because Dad is
who he is, and just because they made a lot
of noise and they walk with.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
A big thump and all of that.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
From that moment forward, I don't think Shador Sanders has
ever been a sympathetic figure.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Today, he is m So that's that's something that is
new to this entire story, I think, And again I
bet Schador doesn't care, but maybe he does.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I've never met him. Like you're now.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
A fifth round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns and
the second quarterback taken by that team in this draft,
and there are going to be more people now rooting
for him than maybe there would have been otherwise.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Yeah, either way, whether we root form or not, I
think this young man's on a mission. You got to
remember people hated Deon Sanders, Other coaches, the community hated
Deon Sanders for what he was trying to do with Colorado.
Remember we were talking about it. Oh heed this and
he's that. What has he done there? He's taken when

(39:07):
he's taken a school and a program that was an
afterthought and made him viable in a year. Yep, He's
changed the economy in the whole city in two years.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
He is, he is underpaid.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Where is the problem? Is what I want to know.
And I asked the same thing about Shador. Where is
the problem? Why would you.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Tear someone down?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
They?

Speaker 4 (39:40):
I mean, they.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Hated that Dion is doing what he's doing, but he
changed the landscape.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Of college like the way that he did it. Hum hmm, yeah, weird,
it's not it's not weird. It's unfortunate, but it's it's
it's not weird.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I can't wait to hear your draft day story. We'll
do that coming up next.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
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Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, it's a big day and it's all unfolding as
we speak. You heard Martin talk about it. The NBA
playoffs have taken yet another chapter and thrown it.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Out there for us to read.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Cavaliers taking control three to zero emphatically earlier today. Will
the Grizzlies be playing basketball for more than another hour
and a half or so, we'll find out about all
of that. Mark Willardy from Salam and of course the
news of the day, the draft starting to wind down
and come to a close, and Shedor Sanders has been
picked fifth round by the Cleveland Browns. But we promised it,

(40:44):
we wanted What was your draft story, man, pick number one?

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Oh my god, So coming out of San Diego State
in ninety eight, I spent a lot of time with
the scout. I can't remember his name, but he spent
a lot of time with me, and I thought I
was gonna be a Jet, and I thought I was.
Back then, the draft was two days, right Saturday, it

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was first through third rounds and Sunday was fourth through seven.
That's just what it was. And so I thought I
was going to be a first day draft pick. And
my teammate and line mate Kyle Turley was the first.

(41:31):
He was a seventh pick in the draft for the Saints.
He played right tackle in college. I played left tackle.
We had a pretty good offensive line to stay the least.
We both made All Rookie Team. By the way, that
in our rookie year in NFL. Just shout out to
Ed White, our offensive line coach, who played himself thirteen fourteen.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Years in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
But I was called by the Jets right starting the
third round.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Scout reached out to me, like, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Been working out? You ready to go? We're gonna take
a tackle. So I'm excited. Had a little draft party
going on, and that pick came and it was the
New York Jets take Jason for Beanie, who was a tackle,
good tackle too. I had a good career.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
And that was that.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
That was the third round, third round. So second day
starts I'm there. Fourth round goals, fifth round goals, sixth
round goal. And I'm like and then I started getting
phone calls. Hey, being a free agent is not a
bad thing. You get to pick where you want. And
I'm just like, are you kidding me? Are you serious?

(42:52):
And so I just I just left my brother and
I got in a car. He was like, you know what,
let's go to the movies. So I was in the
car on my way to the movies in San Diego
and I get a phone call. I was like, hey, Ephraim,
this is this is art Shell.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Art Shell.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Yeah, and I'm like, I've been getting these phone calls
to tell me that I should go there in free agency.
I see, and so I'm like yeah, and he was like, hey,
I'm just calling to tell you that we're gonna draft you.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
And I was like oh. He was like.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I was like, well, what round is it and what pick?
And he said you're not watching the draft? I said no,
I turned it off. And he said, well, it's the
one hundred and ninety ninth pick in the seventh round
and he said you sound upset.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I said, well I am. He said why.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
I said, well, I feel like I'm I'm better than
one hundred and ninety nine pick. He said, good, because
what you're gonna do is you're gonna come here and
you're gonna show us and everybody else while they made
a mistake. And he said, I'm gonna give you an
opportunity to compete?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (44:18):
And I said, That's all I want. And that was
my mindset going into the training camp. In mini camp
and in training camp, I knew I could play at
that level. Now, you gotta remember I was six seven
and a half two hundred and eighty five pounds two.

(44:40):
I think I was like eighty to eighty nine at
the combine, not very big for a tackle that's like.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
A tight end. Uh. And so.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
It just fueled me to the point where when I
get First of all, I learned to playbook really fast,
which allowed me to continue to.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Move up the depth.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
So I was the fourth string left tackle when I
got to camp. Bob Woodfield was the perennial left tackle.
He wasn't no, it wasn't no competing with him. But
they had brought in Cory Lucci, a five year guy
from Buffalo, to play right tackle, and Corey was about

(45:30):
six eight three thirty. He was a massive man, and
early in camp he pulled his groin. So we come
into the meeting room. Art called all the young tackles
up to the board and he started calling out plays

(45:51):
and I would draw up the whole play, including wideouts
and what everybody did, and he was like wow. So
he gave me about six seven plays. I drew them
all up, pass plays and plays. He said, all right,
you're going to be second string right tackle. They moved
a second string right tackle up to the starter while
Corey was out. Then I played second string right tackle,

(46:14):
got some games in at during the preseason, and in
the final preseason game, Art came to me.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Corey was back.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Now.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Art came to me and said, hey, Corey is going
to start this fourth preseason game. You'll play the second quarter.
Corey will play the third, and you'll play the fourth,
and whoever wins, whoever plays better, will be our starting
right tackle next week.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Opening that's a lot on the line.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
So Corey took it as an insult, because no veteran
players want to play in the fourth preseason game, let
alone compete with a rookie seventh round draft pick. I
took it as this is exactly what I've been looking for,

(47:09):
an actual opportunity chance. Yes, and so I just I
relished it. I stood there the whole first quarter with
my helmet on and the chin strap buckled, and I
went out there and I put it all out there
on the line.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
And that next day they cut Corey and I was
the starting right tackle.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Oh they cut him.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Cut him? Oh, cut him.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
I saw him that morning when I was going down
to the breakfast. I said, what's up, Corey, and he
just walked right by me, and I was like, oh, okay. Well,
and then you know, I got in the meeting and
they were like, yeah, they just cut Corey.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Man.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Was that because you outplayed him or because of his
attitude or both?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Oh it was a combination of both. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Man, I went out there, and I mean, I'm I
end up, you know, starting all nineteen games, including the
Super Bowl. I was the youngest player to ever start
in the Super Bowl, and I made the All Rookie
team from a seventh nine draft pick. That's how you
start your career. It doesn't matter where you get drafted.
I promise you, if you have an opportunity to compete,

(48:20):
then just go do that, right you can't. My dad
told me a long time ago. You can't control when,
how long, and where. All you can control is how
can't control when you play, where you play, and how

(48:41):
long you play. The only thing you can control is
how you play, So focus on that. So I went
in there with a huge chip on my shoulder, and
that chip got me to thirteen years in the NFL
and one hundred and twenty nine starts and one hundred
and fifty six games.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
About seventh round draft pick, I love.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It, And maybe maybe she Jordan now brings the uh,
maybe he brings the same chip.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Maybe he already had it.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Now he's got a little bit more money than I
started with.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Yeah, my signing bonus was twenty six thousand dollars nineteen
after taxes.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
And my guess what I made that year? My total?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Sound gosh, your seventh round pick? And what year was this?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
This was ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Good lord, I bet you made. I mean you two
hundred and seventy eight thousand.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Dollars one hundred and seventy six thousand dollars before taxes.
Oh gosh, to start nineteen games including the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
I mean, it's a nice salary of nineteen ninety That
is not a nice salary.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Nice salary for it's a job for a lawyer. I mad,
only your job was only four months long. It's a
great salary.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
What the person next to me was making three million
dollars a year?

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yep, yep, Yeah, that's not a nice salary.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
And this is but you had January through July where you.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Could you know, I ran out of money, stock shelves,
I ran out of money. I bought ten thousand dollars
from my sister to get me back to to to
the next season.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I hear you, man, we've all been there.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
I ran out of money, gone, and so.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
That that is my I didn't make it.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
I didn't make any money for four years because back then,
you know, they had your rights for four years, and
they weren't.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
You know, still they still kind of do.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, but that's why brock Perdy's only made Yeah, but
nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
He's had three years of starting. So now he's.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Also got the Toyota contract.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Right, we didn't have any of that, right you did.
But you know what his minimum is seven hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I'm like, what right? Right?

Speaker 4 (51:19):
The veteran minimum is a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I know, but have you seen the price of eggs.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
It's different a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
But you could have get you getting eggs for buck
ninety nine back then.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Man, I tell you what I take being a rookie.
The minimum salary, I believe is eight hundred and fifty
thousand dollars for a rookie. Now, so these guys were
watching in these draft this draft room.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I'm gonna look it up right now. I'm bad, are
you No?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
No, I mean they got to go make the team.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Though they do have to go make the team.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Yeah, they gotta make the team. I mean that's the
easy part. And in terms of you're here to do
one thing, right if you're a football and I don't
want to say it's easy, but it was easy for
me because I'm like, I'm here, Like in my mind,
I'm like, I'm here to play.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I got eight hundred and forty thousand.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Dollars minimum salary today. Oh my god, it just went up.
It just went up forty five thousand dollars from last year.
Used to be seven hundred ninety five.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Good lord, man.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Now, it's eight hundred and forty unbelievable, which.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Means in twenty thirty, when we do that our next
show in twenty thirty, it will be a million dollars.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Now, that's the rookie minimum. What's the veteran minimum. The
veteran minimum.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Veteran minimum is veteran minimum. Salary starts at nine hundred
and fifteen thousand dollars for players with one year of service.
It increases based on the number of years they've played.
If you've played seven plus years, the minimum is one

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point two one million.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Dollars period period.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
There you go, Yes, that not one hundred and sixty
seven thousand, and.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
They've already announced that by next season twenty twenty six,
the veteran minimum will be over a million dollars.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Yep, but it'll only count as the rookie minimum counts
in terms of against the cap. That's how they did it,
because guys teams were getting rid of veteran guys for
younger guys, and they the.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
NFLPA came in and put a kebas to that.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Two more NFL items to toss out there before we
get over all NFL, before we get to some NBA
all and.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
It's an NFL show what you talking about before?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
It's called Fox Sports Saturday. And the NBA is a sport,
so anyway. But but there are two more NFL things.
First of all, how did the Browns arrive at this?
I want to know when you think they started thinking
about this, because no way in hell this was the plan.
There's no way in hell they sat there Thursday and
they're like, we can get a quarterback and then we
could get shitdor on Saturday. There's no way they thought

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that was the possibility. And the Steelers, who did finally
pick a QB. His name is will Howard. Many of
you have heard of him. That's Ohio State's quarterback. They
did finally grab him today in the sixth round. But
the Browns division mates the Steelers, what are they doing

(54:39):
and who are they waiting for? So we get to
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and the iHeartRadio app. So we were tossing this around
during one of the breaks short time ago, Ephraim, and
that is where do you think that this pick came from?

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Should say the fifth round? And here's what I mean
by that.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
The general manager of the Browns had an interesting press
conference just yesterday. Three rounds are in. He has not
been picked. They have picked a different quarterback. And in
talking through that with the media, there were two quotes
that stood out. One was as far as sha door
is concerned. Sometimes things do come down to a fit.

(56:28):
He used the word fit, which makes you think that
the Browns didn't think, for whatever reason, that shaduur fit.
On the next hand, he said, I want to remind
everybody there are four more rounds to go. There are
four more rounds to go. And then they didn't just
take him in the fifth round. They trade it up
to get him. And I don't know if this is fair.

(56:52):
Viral video going around right now of the war room
with the Cleveland Browns, and this is the way the
Browns do it.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Once a pick is made.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
They got everybody there just kind of sitting there clapping
like all right, we've made our pick. And my god,
they look robotic and bored, like as all get.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Out, not a lot of excitement in them.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
No, I didn't see a high five or anything.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
But it is round five as well, and you've got
seventy eight other quarterbacks in your room.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
So I don't did ownership do this.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Do you think that this came from ownership or do
you believe that the Browns football people were like, hey,
there's an opportunity, because my god, he's still available in
round five.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
I think, well, Like I said, I think this was
a situation where.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
You're not necessarily drafting.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
For a starter in round five at quarterback, so essentially
you're playing with house money now. And I felt that
that they knew he was going to come off the
board pretty soon, and so stepping in and picking him
gives you an opportunity to bolster that quarterback room that's

(58:16):
already packed, but it also adds gives you an opportunity
to add a level of competition there. So if Shadward thinks,
if he ends up being who he thinks he is,
that's the best thing that ever could have happened to
the Browns, right, that's the upside with no risk. They

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minimize the risk by drafting him in the fifth round.
A lot of fifth round draft picks don't even make teams,
let alone start right, especially at the quarterback position. So
it's a situation where it's a win win for them.

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The jersey's gonna sail, and if he turns out to
be who he thinks he is, they may have solved
their quarterback issue.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
So what's the downside?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
None, There's none. There's none, There's none.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
And I think that was the sentiment there.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Like you know you you hear people and and and
we brought it up earlier where I know some people
thought that this started to feel like the Kaepernick situation
where owners are sitting there going, look, this is not
worth the distraction. That was the word they always wanted
to bring out, because it was going to bring just
media trucks and everything is going to be coming to

(59:52):
your building.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Like, I don't feel any of that here, No, because.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
This is this is gonna get to be honest with you, Yeah,
there will always be attention on his name because he's
a big celebrity, but I honestly feel like when like
it's Saturday, when we get to Monday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
This is over.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
This is gone. There's nothing to say or see here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
A guy got picked, by the way, you want to
know who did look really happy when the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Selection was made, Shadure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I don't know if everybody has seen this clip of
him and Shiloh dancing together yep and putting a hat
on as soon as the pick was made, which is
very different than the story. For instance, you shared about
yourself right where you're like, you know, you can imagine
how the world would react if this pick finally got

(01:00:43):
made and Shadeur had left and he was at the movies.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Yeah, and this is a guy who was on everyone's
all the prognosticators.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
He was one to two on their board in terms
of quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
The only guy rated ahead of him on most boards
was Cam Moreton.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
So he's excited to be drafted, be in the NFL,
and so now he has an opportunity to to go
prove why.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
He ends up being the one two, three, four, five
six quarterback taken.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
And that's the problem I'm having.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Yeah, well, and I I'll back you on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
That's crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Come on, did you see Dylan gabriel man in the
rough Man?

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Come on, bro?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
But they got them both.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
What's the kid? And in Louisville kid, what's his name?

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Tyler Shuck? Tyler Shuck, Tyler Shuck. Tyler Shuck is twenty
seven years old. Well, you've been a kind of seven years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
They're never gonna have to pay him one of those
second contracts because he'll retire.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
It'll be in a kind of seven years. It's real.
I'm not making that up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
I got friends who did that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
He played for seven years.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, what I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
It's not a great Do you draft that guy over
Shad's enders?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
It's not a great quarterback draft?

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
And we know that going into Yes, we did, we
absolutely did.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
We did what Shuder was one of the bright spots
in a mediocre class.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Ooh, speaking of bright spots, Martin Weiss a bright spot
on the show as it brings us what's trending right now?

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Martin speaking of on the show.

Speaker 8 (01:02:51):
That's how Tyler Shuck's name should be pronounced Tyler's show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
Who was born in nineteen ninety nine. He's going to
be the last player ever drafted for the nineteen ninety
born in the nineteen hundreds. He was high school rivals
with Brock Purdy. I don't know who had the best
of that, Like, who was better than the Brock Purty
was his high school rival.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
And there's a.

Speaker 8 (01:03:16):
Tweet out there from two thoy and nineteen in which
Tyler Shuck came in for relief of Justin Herbert after
Justin Herbert was twenty one for twenty six and some
game in November of twenty and nineteen, and he was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
In the same class coming out of high school as
Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
I mean, we've been in the league five years. When
you close your eyes and think about it, E f
froman just.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
This year, seven year starter, four season ending injuries, twenty
five years old. Can't miss prospector right, can't miss the
Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
I'm sorry, I'm a SATs fan. I just looked at that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:53):
I tried, like for minutes, that's little ten minutes, ridiculous
to come up with a tank, and I just all
I could I think, was what a joke? Like, what
a joke of an organization? Who just anyway? I mean, yes,
I was to the news. The Cleveland Browns traded up
with the Seattle Seahawks to select Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
With the one hundred and forty fourth overall pick in
the fifth round.

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
The Browns also drafted quarterback Dylan Gabriel in the third round,
so Chador was the second quarterback drafted by his own
team after a lot of prognosticators expect him to be
the second quarterback drafted in general. The Seahawks have traded
quarterback Sam Howel to the Vikings. Vikings got a fifth
round pick from this. I'm sorry, Vikings traded a fifth
round pick to Seattle in exchange for Sam Howell and

(01:04:40):
a fifth rounder back. About thirty spots later, the Pittsburgh
Steelers did draft a quarterback, Ohio State's Will Howard in
the sixth round, and also, of course, going with that
Sam Howell news, the Seattle Seahawks drafted quarterback Jaln Milroe
out of Alabama in the third round in the NBA.
Looks like there might be just a quarter left for

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the Memphis Grizzlies, as O Case leads the series three
games to none in the first round of the Western
Conference playoffs. Here, but the Thunder lead this game right
now three by three points, eighty eight to eighty five,
say Gulgas Alexander with thirty one points and six assists.
Again nearing the start of the fourth quarter of their
Cavaliers beat the heat one, twenty four to eighty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
They lead the series three to nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:05:25):
If there was ever an argument for y series need
to go best to five again, that's one of them.
The Wild are leading the Golden Knights two to one,
six point thirty six left in the second period.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Earlier today, the Lightning beat.

Speaker 8 (01:05:37):
The Panthers five to one, get back into that series.
Florida still leads it, though two to one. Major League
Baseball excuse me. Top of the ninth inning, the Reds
have a four to three lead over the Rockies. Top
of the second inning, Mets and National still scoreless. Phillies
with a six nothing lead over the Cubs. Bottom of
the fifth on Fox. Also on Fox, Rangers and the

(01:05:57):
Giants tied to a piece. Also bottom of the fifth
and near in the bottom of the sixth inning, the
White Sox have a six or lead on the A's
seven to one.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
But five minutes left and and probably a pure pain
for you e from salam No where you at? No, no, no,
genuinely where you're at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Look, the Warriors could be in the same position here
in a few hours. But I, like we talked last Sunday,
the Lakers needed a response.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
They got it. But now you go lose Game three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
The analytics will tell you when the series is tied
one to one, whoever wins Game three, that's like almost
an eighty percent chance that they're going to win the series.
I think it's funny though, that people always call game
three in game five pivotal, like they're all big, but
the other team can just go win the next game

(01:07:46):
and even it right back up. Like to me, the
even numbered games are bigger because that's where you can
create some space.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
That's just me. I want to know where you're at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
After the Timberwolves had a good performance last night and
took a two to one lead on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
La okay, so I was disappointed in the effort.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Ye wait a minute, hold on, hold on now, Lebron
James clearly came out on a mission. He turned back
the clock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
He was crazy. He was crazy that second half go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Now, this is the problem I had, now, Luca, although
under the weather, yep, he wasn't under the weather the
right way. How does that mean as an athlete? And
I've been there, A lot of athletes have been there.

(01:08:54):
You don't let being under the weather effect the outcome
your effort.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
You can't use it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
So most athletes are hyper focused on not using it
as an excuse, So they tap into something that allows
them to compartmentalize how they're feeling and keep it separate
from the output. He did a lot of walking around,

(01:09:30):
not getting back on defense, like and I get it.
There's been plenty of athletes who didn't feel well who
went out and had tremendous games. But just watching him
walk up and down shot six for sixteen, two for eight, uninterested.

(01:09:51):
That is the part that bothered me. When you had
a forty year old flying around doing everything, trying to
do everything, and you're supposed to be there to take
that pressure off of it. So that's the problem that

(01:10:11):
bothered me is the number one of the turnovers. Can't
win the games. If you turn the ball over like
that like that, it's got to stop. That's one of
my biggest pet peeves, turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I didn't look at the what was the box score
number on that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Let me see here, sixteen sixteen only eight for the
timber Wolves. There you go, yeah against sixteen sixteen. I
five from Luca. Yeah, yeah, my number. For whatever reason,
it's just my number. Thirteen and a half. You play
under thirteen and a half, you had a great chance

(01:10:48):
to win a basketball game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
You go north to that, you're flirting with disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
And if you look at these playoff games and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Go to that alone, if you want to box score,
dive that stat alone, and you will probably find the
winner of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
That's it, I'm telling you. And these goal and when
they're when they're met, does it even match? These two
teams are evenly met?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
They are? It is. It's a hell of a watch.
It's a really yes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Although although that's less evenly matched, I would argue. I
know that the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Games were unbelievably close in Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I don't think that they're I think it's going to
be not that close again today the Clippers are better.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
The Clippers are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Better, they are and they're more on the same page Denver.
I don't know exactly what all this is. Coach fired,
young guy playing, old guy playing. People are barking at
each other. I'm not sure what's going on. But they're
not on the same page Denver Nuggets.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
So it's hmmm, we'll see, man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, how do you feel right now? I you think
they're going to rally?

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Yeah, I think they're rally. I think they're gonna have
a big game tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Better get that one. Gotta have it, gotta have it,
just like, yeah, you know what the Luca thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
You watch the interviews that he recently finally did where
he talked about Dallas. You remember that the way he
teared up and cried when they went back to Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yep, I'm just throwing something out there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
But how badly do you think he really really like
wants to be where he is in this moment. I
don't think he's working against the Lakers. I mean, you
are where you are, you play hard. I get it,
but you're gonna get a different level of player if

(01:13:02):
you're if there's a comfort level with who you are,
where you are, what you're doing, your teammates, all of that. Like,
I just watched all of that, and it was very
clear that he never ever, ever wanted this to happen.
And I wonder how it affects a night like last
night the way you're talking about it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
Well, I think the fact that he wasn't feeling well
and he wasn't able to tap into that next level
that you need to tap into a lot of that
is part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
You start feeling sorry for yourself opposed to making the
other team feel sorry. And that's the problem I had,
Like you you got to tap in, man. You got
Lebron James at forty forty years old flying up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
And down there. He had one turnover. Dude, he is
shooting three, he was on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
He's shooting threes from Mars and he was not even
hitting the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Rim and you feeling some alright for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I did not get the greatest feeling in my belly
when I watched those interviews, because it was like, did
you did you think you were going to retire in Dallas.
He's like, that's the easiest question ever, of course, and
then he's like no. They're like are you are you?
Do you want to be here now? Do you want
to retire here? And he's like, yes, Oh I didn't

(01:14:26):
feel that one the same way. I didn't feel that
one the same way that I felt the first one. Sure, yeah, okay, anyway,
let's get let's get to this though. Coming up next,
let's bring all the series into play. Has the league
have the refs lost control? Let's let's get into this.

(01:14:48):
We'll do it next in the Fox Sports Radio studios.
That's coming up next. That's e from Salama Mark whether
it's Fox Sports Radio all right, these are the Fox
Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Steve Hartman and Olden Polonies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Are gonna jump in here next as Fox Sports Saturday continues.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Look, man, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
If you're an NBA fan, you almost kind of want
to treat all of these games the same way you
might treat your kids.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
When they're really really like really really really.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Not listening, and you just want to go out there
and be like, fine, I'm going to call everything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
If this is the way you're all gonna play basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
If you're all just gonna beat the living hell out
of each other, then I'm gonna call everything, but they can't.
This is something that I think rarely happens in the
world of fans and sports media. I'd like to, for
a minute kind of have the refs back only a
little bit, but I think they're job in these playoffs

(01:16:01):
is really hard. I don't know what they're supposed to do.
There's a foul on every play on the ball, off
the ball. The only thing I would sort of look
for is stuff that looks targeted and specific and strategic.
I get that people are battling and pushing and shoving,

(01:16:24):
but there are certain stars. It looked to me like
Orlando is trying to do specific things to Jalen Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
And Jason Tatum.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
It looks to me like Houston has been told just
arm bar Steph Curry, just grab the waist everywhere he goes,
whether he's got the ball or not. It looks to
me like those things have been taught and strategized. And
if that's the case, then more whistles need to blow.
But at the same time, I don't really know exactly

(01:16:56):
what to do here because the playoffs are always physical.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
But I don't know, man, this does this look the
same to you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
It takes me back to the old days. Yeah, and
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
You're okay with it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I'm okay with the physicality in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
It's a fine line though, isn't it. I'm okay with physicality.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
What I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Okay with is just people getting away with stuff all
over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Games.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Well, I'm okay with the because it should be more
physical in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Of course it will be. That's natural.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
And so I'm okay with the refs allowing these guys
to be physical with each other, allowing these guys to
compete a little bit, you know, more aggressive when it
comes to uh these games. If you're playing the same
team over and over again, the only thing that you

(01:18:01):
can do is change your level of intensity. So instead
of you know, oh well we got to get more
threes up or we gotta know. I think the physical
like the what JJ Reddick said after the end of
the first game, huh their physicality surprised. Don't be surprised, right, No,

(01:18:25):
it should be like that. Julius Randall is a bull
in a china shop.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
And I don't mind that. I don't mind that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, but we've had we've had two players and the
cardinal rule of basketball, and I know sometimes you end
up there accidentally.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
I can remember this happened to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
In high school, where you're like, I didn't mean to
upend that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
But if somebody's up in the air.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
We've had two players go flying to the ground totally
upended while they were mid air. And and not John
Moran out essentially out for the season. Yeah, knocked him
out for the season because I don't know if they're
going to win today or not, right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
And and Jimmy Butler I think might play tonight. But dude, like,
you can't do that in basketball. You can't have it.
It's it's it's a known, unwritten, written whatever, it's a
known thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
You just don't upend people out like that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
And the one on Jimmy, I don't think that was.
I don't think that was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
I don't think it was dirty either. I really thought
it was. It was. He did not mean to end
up there, No, But at the same time, he did.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
He did, he did, he did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
And we're only like two three games in on these series, right,
And didn't. Good Lord, all right, you know what's really
fun about this, uh mister Aram salamis get I get
to see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Tomorrow I will do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Tomorrow we'll have more looking back at the draft and
the NBA playoffs as well. Until then, have a good day.