April 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug explains what a NARP is as he defends previous criticism of Caitlin Clark and the reaction to JJ Redick cussing out his team. Doug welcomes Athletes First CEO Brian Murphy to talk about what it's like to be a player agent during the draft, how to negotiate a player contract and much more. Plus, Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy joins Doug to talk about the draft being in Green Bay.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday three to five,
twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local
station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio
dot Com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching app as car Booming Up America.
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio coming to you live
(00:22):
from green Bay, Wisconsin. My good friend Jess Miller's places
at the bar on Holmegren which is on Homegren Way,
named after Mike Holmgren, who is the head coach of
the Green Bay Packers. When they last won a Super Bowl,
they won thirteen titles. And of course we are in
the shadows Rambo Field, which is not only home of
the Packers, it's home to the next three nights. On tonight,
(00:46):
next three nights, the NFL Draft will be in green Bay, Wisconsin.
And things you did not think would happen Draft and
Green Bay, Wisconsin at the same time, especially in April, right,
and it's a it's a weird one buyer you can
speak to this having being Wisconsin, which is like April
is this is classic spring, right, You don't know if
(01:07):
you're gonna get up and it's gonna rain. You don't
know if it's gonna get up and be sunny. You
don't know if it's gonna be windy. And if you
don't like how it is, as everyone in the Midwest says,
you don't like the weather, wait fifteen minutes, it will change.
It is that that I don't want to say Russian roulette,
but it is that weather roulette of of what was
what was the expression from forrestco Lava Lago box a chilcoose.
(01:31):
You never know what you're gonna get, right, You do
not know what you're gonna get weatherwise. Fair.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, it could be in the seventies, could rain. Golf
courses are open. You can't play every day. I gotta
do your tornado warning drills and the schools, the whole deal. Yeah,
it's all over the map.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
By the way, we have both of We have two
of those today or actually three of them. Golf courses
are open. It rained this morning, it's supposed to be
seventy this afternoon. You're welcome. That's northeast Wisconsin weather. Although
if you try and go play golf, you're gonna get
it's gonna be a long round because you're not going
to get much role on that one at one at all.
(02:06):
We're going to talk about the Lakers and and JJ's
tirade last night in their win over the Minnesota Timberwolves.
But I was thinking of something because I was on
with Dan Patrick earlier today and Dan and the Danets
were cool enough to come by last night we had
a big event in town raising money for my basketball program,
but they're also broadcasting her live from the bar, and
(02:29):
Dan was very caught up on the fact that I
said that Caitlin Clark had a flaw in her shot,
and again we went through the tweet. It was like
May first, I got the job May fifteenth. But I'm
struggling with why I'm supposed to not point out that
here one of the like the most discussed player in
(02:52):
the history of women's basketball and the landscape of sports.
I would say she's one of the five most discussed
athletes in all of sports. As somebody that has a
deep background in the sport of basketball, why I'm not
supposed to say, hey, she and she's fixed her form.
Since I had developed quite the habit, especially off the
(03:14):
dribble of shooting the ball, starting it on the left
side of her face, which by my estimation was because
she was shooting from further out she needed it for
added strength, and she was kind of slinging the ball
a little bit, which caused her three point percentages to
go down. And of course they reworked it, and now
I heard shots, not Klay Thompson or Steph Curry. But
it's a lot more pure. So I guess here's here's
(03:36):
a little bit of exchange earlier today on the Dan
Patrick Show. If I couldn't physically shoot a basketball, I've
been wouldn't have been recruited by the number of schools
that was recruited by The shooting issues didn't stop us
from winning. And oh yeah, by the way, they didn't
actually occur in terms of fundamental flaws.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But look, if if out there that's my job, oh
it doesn't not as the head coach.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It wasn't as the head coach. That was when I'm
just a radio host and basketball analyst. Go check the
time stamp on it. Give me the time stamp on
the Okay, that was? That was. That was before I
became the head basketball coach of Green Bay, and since
I've become the head basketball coach, we talk about the
same thing we talked about. Do we do we fix
a guy's shot and change his form, which you have
(04:19):
to strip it back down and then build it back
up or make adjustment to it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I think may first, what day.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Did I get the job?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Thank you? So? What was my job at the time
that I made the tweet?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Your job was to be a radio host.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And college basketball analyst? And oh yeah, by the way,
like this is the amazing thing about me. Whether I
like it or don't like it, the reality is that
I do have this unique ability to draw reaction, to
draw reaction. You do okay? You do so?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I just I stand by my analysis I shot so.
I guess here's the question, Jase doo okay, because again
you search for the opposite whatever BS is. Okay. Do
you think it's a bad idea to make a comment
on social media about somebody's jump shot?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Nope, not at all. I think that I listened to
that exchange. I think where Dan came up short in
that exchange and he didn't press you on the Adam
schefter one. Either. You and I have talked about this
on and off the air. It's not necessarily that you
questioned Schefter for the sax State thing. It was that
you questioned his professional wizard. It's not that you questioned
Caitlin Clark on her jump shot. Your re wording was
(05:35):
this needs to be fixed. When do you fix it?
There was an assumption that it needs to be fixed.
I think the wording is what got you in trouble
in both cases.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Why wouldn't it need to be fixed. Her shooting numbers
are three point percentages were going down, and that was
what anyone would look at and go, hey, this will
allow you to shoot the ball better, especially going to
your right where she shot the ball for the most part,
going to her left, because that's where she picked up
the basketball. Again, here's my thing this is, and this
(06:04):
is the point that you know, as I think a
lot of people this year have gotten a chance to
listen to my radio show, somehow that becomes controversial when
the rea I just think that's actually talking about sports.
So many shows are hosted by people who don't know
anything about sports at all. They have no clue, And
(06:26):
there's plenty of people on television talking about sports that
they've never played, that they have no understanding or noah,
and that it does not mean you can't talk about it.
But that's an actual discussion about sports, right, It's it's
a real thing, like do you fix her form? And
you could say, well, fix is a trigger word and
it means that it's broken, like okay, it's not where
(06:47):
it needs to be. Do you adjust? Like, I don't
think I need to change the wording, because that's how
real sports people talk. And honestly, it it does segue
into we'll get to the Lakers discussion, like this is
how real people talk. And the issue with narps. Do
(07:08):
you know what a narpis fired? Do you know what
a narpist?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm gonna guess it's something like never actually really played
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's actually pretty good. It's a non athletic regular person. Okay,
that's what the college athletes call the regular students. They're
a NARP. Right. So what happens is when you have
people that haven't been on a sideline, haven't been in
a locker room, haven't been in a film room, haven't
actually been kind of in the theater of battle, if
(07:42):
you will, and they start talking about that and they
hear criticism and.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like, oh my god, I can't believe you're critical of
Kaylin Clark.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
She's the greatest thing ever. She can be great. She
shot the ball last year when she went into the
WNBA from the left side of her head, and her
numbers were substantially lower. And as she will fix it,
she will shoot a higher percentage from three. Like that's
a real basketball conversation that people actually have. Just like
when do we have the audio? Just like when a
(08:14):
JJ Reddick got onto his team last night, Take a listen,
this is JJ Reddick. He's coaching the la. Oh, we
can't play it on the air because it's cursing. Right,
He's like laying into his team during the game. Are
you blinking kidding me? You know he does mention the
Lord and Savior's name in vain. Okay, he does all
(08:36):
the things, And you'll have people clutching their pearls saying like,
I can't believe JJ Reddick would ever do such a thing.
And anybody who's ever been in the theater, ever played
basketball at a high levels like okay, like he played
for Coach K. Do people understand how Coach K talked
to his team and his players. It's not for the
fant of heart. You don't say please, pretty please, will you?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
When you get a chance, can you go set a
screen for Lebron? Hey? Thanks, great effort there. You know
what the most important thing was. You tried like, that's
not how it works. It's not how it works right now, Look,
there's a way. You have to have the equity with
the players. You can't just lambase them with mfs and
all the different names and words, especially in the NBA
(09:20):
where you deal with growth men that make ten times
the money that you make, that they're way more accomplished
and they don't want to hear it from you. Right,
You have to have the equity with the group. But again,
this is I actually think those two discussions fit together
well because my background is my dad was a coach,
my brother's a coach. This is how we talk about sports.
(09:41):
This is how real people talk about sports. And if
you're bothered by the fact that she had and again
in the totality of the tweet she had, I said,
the amount of work it takes to overcome such a flaw,
which is a compliment and it's real. Just like Reggie Miller,
no one would ever tell you to shoot a basketball
(10:04):
the way that Reggie Miller shoots a basketball, except for
the fact that he made it a lot right, But
no one would say, Hey, what she should do is
shoot the ball with two hands and point him back
towards the basket and have a follow through like so like,
no one teaches that, but he had done it so
much that he could shoot through the flaw through pure
(10:24):
old fashioned work ethic and confidence. So yeah, I just
I think that's I think that's where people are missing
on things more than more than anything.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
from Green Bay, Wisconsin, sight of the NFL Draft. For
over forty years, Tyrak has been helping customer find the
right tires for how, what and where they drive. Ship
fast and free back by Free Road has protection with
convenient installation options like mobile tire installation, tire rackt the
(11:09):
way tire buying should be. Yeah, so this is kind
of cool, right, Uh. The best part of NFL drafts
super Bowl. Whatever is everyone who's kind of in our orbit.
And if you don't know Jay Stew's background, right, Jason
Stewart is our producer. But he's been a booker for
(11:32):
local radio in LA, also for Fox Sports and Fox
Sports One, and previous to that, he was a long
time producer both on air and off air, talent with
with the Jim Rome Show, and he's done lots of
other things as well. But when you when you've when
you've booked as a high level and run his high
level of radio shows and TV shows as he's run
(11:52):
like he knows. Tom Pelsero, who I saw last night
Ian Rappaport, right, and uh, there's this bar the sixth
floor of the Legacy Hotel where we were last night,
and I ran into Palisero and he it's funny. We
were kind of talking about this and I saw him
write it. So here's what it says. NFL Networks Tom
Palisero spoke to a number of coaches and executives ahead
(12:14):
of the draft, asking them to evaluate the top quarterback
prospects available. The most damning quote came from a quote
longtime NFL assistant coach who ripped Shudor Sanders' attitude, body language,
and performance. During his team's formal interview, one longtime NFL
assistant said his time with Sanders was quote the worst
formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's
(12:38):
so entitled, He takes unnecessary sacks, he never plays on time,
he has horrible body language. He blames teammates. But the
biggest thing is he's not that good. Who outside of that,
missus Lincoln? How is the show fifee? And it's really rare.
(13:00):
The Shadoor Sanders thing is going to be a fascinating
thing to watch. Fascinating thing to watch. And you're like,
he's why would you say he's entitled? Okay, look, can
you make some sort of judgment based upon the fact
that you know he drives to Lamborghini, he flashes jewelry
(13:22):
after a game, and some of the things he's been
quoted as saying, like yeah course, I mean, look, he
got his number retired when he was quarterback of a
team and they were one game over five hundred and
two years of work, Like what are we actually doing here? Uh?
But the doesn't play on time, takes unnecessary sacks, has
(13:45):
horrible body language, blames teammates and is not that good again,
I don't know where he goes. It's one of those
things where you're like, well, you gotta take a quarterback
or do you? And my issue And there's been a
(14:05):
lot of people like, well, you're hating on Dion. No,
I'm not. The things Dion says are great, they're about
the right things. The problem is that Dion's own son
just acted so arrogant. Not as much as Shiloh, but
pretty close. Of course, he's a much better player than
his brother. Byer, what do you think happens to Shuder
(14:29):
Sanders Like, that's the He's the guy that we're going
to have to pay most attention to tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I think he falls, and I think that some
team will pick him up later first round, so that's
after sixteen and more of a value pick. I don't
think there's any chance he goes in the top five,
even with Derek Carr's questions. I told you I think
the Saints want to tank for arch Manning in twenty
twenty six, and then you start looking at teams in
(14:57):
the middle that really aren't don't need a quarterback at
that point, so then you start to fall into the twenties,
and so if the Rams are sitting there looking for
an air apparent to Shador Sanders, maybe that's a bit
of a surprise. Maybe it is Pittsburgh. But ultimately I
don't think that they pulled the trigger. But I think
that he definitely falls into the twenties. I don't think
(15:18):
we're going to hear his name called by Roger Goodell,
but we talked about but not called in the first
two hours of that draft.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, it's really interesting, how do I think Dion
only wants to help his son, just like Lebron only
wants to help his son, of course, but the idea
that Dion could ultimately coach his son also hurt Shador
Like I don't think that's the reason the Giants won't
(15:48):
draft him, right, they signed two much more veteran quarterbacks.
Russell Wilson, whatever his flaws, probably gives you a better
chance to win this year than Shador Sanders does this year.
And when you're a coach on the hot seat, you
take the guy who's going to help you win this
year and you don't worry about the future. But there
has to at least be in the back of somebody
back of your head if you're a head coach, Like, yeah,
(16:10):
if I draft Shador Sanders and I'm on the hot seat,
the last thing I want to do is draft Shador
Sanders because if it doesn't go well, Dion's going to
ride in on the white horse and take my job.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's interesting. I thought that there'd be more backlash if
it didn't work out in that they the Sanders camp
has a lot of power and influence not to get
d on the job, but to pit it on the
team that didn't make it work out.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think that's another one. And then it's another one.
I think if it doesn't work, it won't be Chador's
fault and you'll take the fall for it, and Dion's
team will make sure you know that, no question, no question.
There's all sorts of red flags. This is like in dating.
(16:57):
You know in dating that the red flags like, oh wait,
the dad was the college coach. He only played for
the dad in two different colleges. Yeah, the dad doesn't
necessarily want to be a head coach in the pros.
But once it has said, I don't want to be
a coach of the Pros, but I'll coach my son.
(17:18):
Oh entitlement. I mean driving a Lamborghini when you're in
college and flashing a diamond encrusted watch after games. Is
in time? No? No, you know, blaming your offensive line
for not having time like, all of those things, those
are warning signs. Those are red flags as ladies. Ladies
(17:40):
do the red flag thing. Oh well, you hear how
he talked to his mom. Oh my gosh, cannot David.
He's got dad issues, got mom issues. So all the
red flags are there. Is he competitive? Yeah? Will he
stand in there and take a hit and still deliver
the football? Yes? Right, but he is. I just there's
(18:03):
a lot of risk there.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, in a draft. And this is the other crazy
part about it, Doug, is because I do think that
he will fall. It's not even a strong draft, and
he still could fall. Yeah, where Like it would be
worth the risk for a team to take him, because
who knows who you're going to get at thirteen or
in fifteen in that territory, And if a team wanted
(18:26):
to trade up, you cou'd be like, well, we had
a second round grade on everybody else that was left.
We only had eleven first round grades in this draft.
Why not go up and get value. But even that's
not being discussed.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Sure, it's the gott Leeb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And look, one of the things we try and do
for you here is, let's not just do the one
sided perspective of the radio host or of the analysts. Instead,
there is a different side, not just player side or
coach's side, but also agent side. Brian Murphy is our guest.
(18:58):
He's the CEO of Athletes First. He co hosts the
Athletes First Family podcast. You can find it on the
iHeartRadio app wherever you get your podcast into your queue.
For people who don't know Athletes First is, you know,
it's synonymous with all the elite quarterbacks for many of
the elite quarterbacks in the Nation Football League, justin Herbert,
Dak Prescott and others. Brian, thanks so much for taking time.
(19:21):
What are these days like or this day like when
you're leading up to tomorrow's NFL Draft here in Green Bay? Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, thanks, it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Today's pretty awesome.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I think the analogy I E wound us is like,
you know, Christmas Eve, right for Christmas and hopefully most
of your Christmas shopping is done, and you know I
have to go out to the stores and whatnot, and
you're kind of sitting home and just getting ready. They
grabbing the presents and whatnot. So, I mean, all of
our players are pretty much where they're going to be
for tomorrow, whether that's in Green Bay or at their homes,
and we've got everything set up for him, and we've
(19:55):
talked to all the teams, got all the information we
could possibly get. Now we're just kind of hitting back
and making some last second calls and just get ready
for the show.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Like I address of you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, there's so much made about the quarterback contracts
and having to have one dollar more than the guy before, right,
And for example, we're waiting on brock Purty to sign
his new deal with the San Francisco forty nine ersp
But I would make the case that, I know, I
don't think brock Perry's a client of yours, but I
(20:28):
would make the case that, like, while you want him
to remain as a quarterback of the Niners, do you
really need to spend sixty million dollars for brock Party
When you're doing these deals, how much of it is about, Hey,
this is common practice. I have to get a dollar
more than the guy or then the agent or then
the player who signed the last big contract gout.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Yeah, well when you say dollar more, assume as a
metaphorical right, Like so like we did Dax steal, we
got five million dollars more. So, uh, it's certainly not
you're not shoot for a dollar more. But I do
think your point being like when you're an elite quarterback,
when you're a top top quarterback, uh, kind of the
same we have is that you know, the next up
is you you know, often become the highest paid, right,
(21:13):
And but I think to get to that level, you
have to be considered, you know, e leaite quarterback by
all three two teams, and you know, every team is
a different situation. But I think we've certainly done some
quarterbacks for deals for starting quarterbacks where you know, they
didn't they weren't the next step. They didn't become the
highest aid because they weren't necessarily considered you know, uh
in that status here. So I think you have to
(21:35):
you know, be a level one quarterback. But then if
you're a level one quarterback in your next up, I
think it's you know, supplying the man pretty much tick
takes that you know, hopefully you become the highest baid
and then you know, all the quarterbacks kind of work together,
like you know, like you said, we did to his
deal and Jordan loves Deal, and Herbert Steel and Dax
Steel and we just you know, we're all kind of
(21:56):
piled upont of each other. So the next person up
could then get the hit share, so that the quarterback
Tonopole conversation, Toto Pole is kind of rising, just like
the salary cap is, just like the rest of the
NFL revenues. And I do think it's pretty important that
you get that you know, extra dollar quote unquote, so
you keep the market going.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Upwards in the all time greatest upsets can you believe,
especially from where you sit maybe the most powerful agency
in all the nash Football League. You believed Tom Brady
and what they what they did not and look pull disclosure.
I know you know this. Tom Brady was never poor,
was never broke, and they would work things into signing
(22:34):
bonuses or whatever and kick the taxcan down the road.
But the fact that I still think, all these years later,
the true story of the Patriots was that guy was
almost ever the top paid quarterback in the league is
the stuff that will likely never happen again. Is that fair?
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, I think I think it's I think it's fair.
I mean, I think it's in some ways it is
happening again. But like, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know,
we didn't represent Tom. I don't really know Tom very well,
but what I can say is, like, I think Tom
got exactly what Tom wanted to out of those negotiations
and for whatever reason, you know, being the highest paid
quarterback was never important to Tom, and you know the
(23:12):
Seven Rings were important to Tom. And I think you
can do both. But yeah, I think the Patriots and
growing up near Fox for like, the Patriots had a
huge huge advantage not having to spend cap or cash
on making him the highest paid quarterback, and that certainly
helped them get to all those rings and keep that time.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I know, you know, quarterbacks are all the sexy talk.
Running backs were the talk of not this passed off
Stagon a little bit with a lot of them changing
place but two years ago, you know, not getting the
type of extensions that they felt like they deserved. And
then you know you have guys change places like a
sai Quon Barkley and go out and have great years.
(23:52):
What what do you think the state of the running
back market is, like, not just in this year, but in.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
The in the in the years the yeah, absolutely, and
it's it's I'm always fascinated to I'm a nerd, Like
I love studying trends and looking where the market's going.
And I couldn't tell you anything about the stock market,
but the the NFL position marketing you know pretty well.
And you know, I think it's it's really just a factor.
Like we just said, like if we do the next quarterback, like, yeah,
you want to make him highest page and that's because
(24:19):
if you don't make him the highest paid, then that's
going to become a trend, right, Like, so he did
get out, and then the next quarterback is going to
maybe go down a little more.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I think got a little board.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I think that's what you saw on the running back market.
And you had some big, big deals done and then
all of a sudden, you had some elite running backs
you know, not find that market for whatever reason, and
so they started coming down, and then so the running
back stocks started coming down. And so it was gonna
come down until someone had the opportunity was in the
situation to correct it. And that was obviously you know,
(24:47):
uh sae Quan did a great job with that. Now
he had he had to you know, play for the
franchise ad, which is difficult, but he did a great
job with that, and then he backed up his contract
without just unbelievable play. And I think now you're going
to see you know, people like it like that Jamior
Gives and those type of elite running backs. It's now
incumbent upon them to keep that stock going upwards, right
because as soon as it comes down, you know, it's
(25:09):
hard to reburset a trend. So I think it is
a great couple of years now to be an LLeague
running back and I think that their their stock will
coep going up.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And Brian Murphy Brian Murphy's our guest. He's the CEO
of Athletes First. He co hosts the Athletes First Family
podcast you can find in your iHeartRadio app or wherever
you download your pods. The one thing the NFL contracts
seem to there is an ability to be sort of creative,
Like Mahomes contract is creative. There's others that are creative
in terms of the ability to kind of re up
(25:39):
a mid midway through, but not the level of creativity
we saw with the Dodgers and show hey Otani and
trying to avoid the tax. Uh what within this CBA?
What what are the next wave of contracts look like?
Not not maybe necesary dollar amounts, but are there any
interesting changes or things that are evolving within those NFL contracts.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Well, I think one trend that we've definitely you know,
we can talk about as our podcasts were definitely try
to do this with our quarterbacks. And I mean I
think that you know, our first deal, you know, twenty
years ago for two buds, so it was a ten
year deal and we probably be fired if we did
a ten year deal now. So I mean, the one
trend that you're seeing these elite league players like trying
to get a shorter deals as possible, trying to get
a three year extension or four year extension just because
(26:24):
we know where the salary CAP's going and to tie
yourself up for ten and twelve years is really doing
your client to service. So but I think we're there
now most of the lead players are trying to get
those shorter deals. But I think the next, the next
trend and next thing that we really need to pushes
you know, we need to try to get grab some
of that enterprise value. We try need to grab some
of that value of the shield. We need to tire
our elite quarterbacks to the other players to like increases
(26:46):
in salary cap. And that's never been done before. It's
not prohibited by the CBA. We're gonna have a tough
time doing like tax strategies just because of thirty two
teams in the cities wanting to get capture those texts.
But if we can somehow push the players so that
the star star players can be tied to the value
of the league, the value of the Shield, and and
(27:07):
you know right now we sure finding groose revenue, but
really being you know, as a franchise, franchises go up
in value, like if we if we can link into
that somehow some way, and then you know we.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Don't, so you'd have sway, so you'd have like a
stock equity for quarterbacks like they right, the.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
First step, first step would be just tying our tying
our talent, talering our deal to our incentives, our base salaries,
our ross boses to the increase in salary cap. So
if we do a deal and salid cap goes up
twelve percent, then our deal goes up twelve percent, and
so like you can, you can tie it to the
salary cap. We try to do in the past hasn't
been done. And another thing that we just need to
(27:47):
continue to push for. Obviously we got done with the
Shaul Watson, but uh, we need we need to get
to one hundred percent guaranteed contracts, and to get to
the hundredsent guarantee contracts, we need to get rid of
the funding rule, and the funding rule of antiquated shouldn't
really exist anymore. We're getting culture and culture right. I mean,
the deal we just did for Jerald Singer Junior was
basically ninety eight percent guaranteed. But we get a hundred
(28:08):
sent guaranteed, then the players can go out to some
different financial things off you know.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, I mean, but when the first ever fully guaranteed
quarterback contractor is to Shaun Watson, and if we're honest
with ourselves, it's been an abject disaster of a deal
for the Cleveland Browns. Right. They obviously knew it well
signing the deal, right, both sides have to agree to
get a deal. Are we are we actually closer to
(28:32):
that place with quarterbacks, considering Deshaun signed the first of
its kind.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
I think I think we're closer to that with with
all elite players. I think we're I don't think we're
too far away. And I mean, you know this because
you're you know, you're you're in the basketball world. Like
I've seen a lot of one hundreds of guarantee contracts
in baseball and basketball, complete disasters, right and again, like
you know you gotta take the risks.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
We take the risk.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
But I don't think I don't think that what's happening
with this and again you haven't given up on deshawnath
Stson come back and play great. And I think Cleven
did a good job with insurance company. But you know,
what happened with that contract should not prevent other quarterbacks
and other earleague players getting.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
I think it's I think it's the right thing to do,
and the other school other leagues have done it, and
there's a good reason to do it, And the only
reason teams don't do it right now is because they
can hide behind the funding rules saying, well, if we guarantee,
take guarantee it that we got to put money in
the fund and that will shouldn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, I got to put it in real quick. I
know you got to go, what's the likely that Aaron
Rodgers plays in the NFL next season? Oh?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Man, you have that daring that I mean, I'm obviously
we represent Aaron. I'm a huge Aaron Rodgers fan, so
I would love to see him play. You know, I
can't imagine the league without him, But that's only Aaron
knows that answer.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Hey, Brian, let's ign know. Tomorrow is a big day
for you guys, but every day is a big day
when you wrap all these big names in the NFL.
Thanks much for be your guests and look forward to
listening to the podcast.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Mark Thanks, Doug, big fan of yours, appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
S Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Tirek. For over
forty years, the Tyrak has been helping customers find the
right tires for how, what and where they drive, ship
fast and free and back by free road house protection
with convenience stallation options like mobile tire installation tyrek dot Com.
The way tire buying should be. I just walked outside.
We're in the heart of Green Bay, Wisconsin' in the
(30:28):
title town district, and I mean it is glorious. It
is sunny. It is a Chamber of Commerce day, That's
what it is. And he's not the mayor, but he
damn well could be at any point that he'd like.
He's the outgoing president and CEO of the Green Bay Packers.
(30:49):
He's Mark Murphy's kind of to spend a couple moments
with us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Mark, You're you're the guys single handedly getting
the the responsibility for bringing the draft to Green Bay.
How did this all happen? How was the How was
the draft able to get to lambeau Field.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well, first of all, it was a total team effort.
It was everybody within the organization. We all knew how
much it would mean, not only to the packer organization
but to the entire community. But it really goes back
to when they started taking the draft on the road
in twenty fifteen. We kind of raised our hand and said,
(31:34):
you know, we'd love to host host the draft in
Green Bay, and you know, we ended up going to
other cities and really kind of wondered sometimes whether it
would truly work out. But you mentioned I think a
little A couple of things were really crucial. Obviously lambeau
Field and the history and tradition of the Packers, but
(31:54):
the Titletown development. I don't think we would have the
draft or it not for that. And then the resh XBO.
Obviously you're familiar with the ret Center and the res
x BO. That whole area has really really kind of
put us over the top in terms of being able
to post the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Did you did you personally design the weather to roll
in and suddenly be sunny and beautiful today? Was that?
I know you're a powerful man, Mark. I didn't know
you're that powerful.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
No, I don't have that you control actually, uh, And
you know we ended up we had like a thunderstorm
and we had to shut things down for a while,
but it was kind of a slow time, so worked up.
I really have been on the Titletown field with Special
Olympics athletes and other other youth football players, which was
really positive.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
What what is give me something that's come up that
you cannot believe. It's something that you guys have had
to kind of figure out how to deal with, whether
it's this week or the week's leading up to it.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Oh boy, you know, I have to admit. I mean,
it's the leagues events, and you know they obviously they've
done this multiple times and they have it down to
a but seeing the size of the stage, it's unbelievable
how they put it together. Uh yeah, I guess. I
(33:16):
guess it's just the magnitude of U and I I've
described that. I just encourage all of our fans, everybody
out there and you got to come to this. It's unbelievable.
I mean, it's like Disney World for football fans. Yeah,
for everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, no, it's it's really it's really interesting. How do
you get an accurate crowd size count? Right? That's that's
the whole thing, because you get people who said, well,
four hundred thousand people that have two hundred and fifty
thousand people there tomorrow they have Is there is there
a specialist? Is there somebody who hire who does the
crowd size count?
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And that's a great question. I think there's some double
and triple counting there. But well, uh, you know, they
do have a there is a they do for the
three days of the draft. Each day they start over,
so you know, if somebody's coming two or three times,
they'll be counted. But uh, yeah, no, we you know,
(34:16):
we're we're aftimating that we would have two hundred and
fifty thousand. I think in Detroit last year it was
like over seven hundred thousand, so obviously, yeah, you know,
that's a little bit larger city than Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, last thing, Mark, I know everybody asks you this.
As president of the Green Bad Packers, will the Packers
select a wide receiver in the first round of the
draft for.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
The first time since two thousand and two. We'll see
if that receiver is the best player available.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
We will do it a percentage of times stat gets
asked to you in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
On a very regular basis. That's the most amazing any
thing other than we will take the best player available.
It's unlushly decided to trade down or to trade to
him traded up before. It's really an amazing process. Doug.
You know, when I was a player, I always wondered,
you know, what goes on in the draft room. And
(35:17):
you know the last seventeen years being a part of that.
It's it's not quite on the draft day, but there
there's some truth.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
In that when when life imitates art imitates life. Mark Murphy,
president's CEO of the Green Bay Packers. Mark, obviously, this
is an incredible achievement. You guys have been able to
get green Bay here. Thanks so much for being our
guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah. Thanks, though again it's it's really exciting just to
see the impact that is going to have and the
excitement that it's generated in the community.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
No question about it. That's Mark Murphy, the outgoing president
of the Green Bay Packers. This is the Gotlib Show
here live at the Bar at home Gren just in
the shadows of lambeau Field. Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday three to five,
twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local
station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio
dot Com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching app as car Booming Up America.
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio coming to you live
(00:22):
from green Bay, Wisconsin. My good friend Jess Miller's places
at the bar on Holmegren which is on Homegren Way,
named after Mike Holmgren, who is the head coach of
the Green Bay Packers. When they last won a Super Bowl,
they won thirteen titles. And of course we are in
the shadows Rambo Field, which is not only home of
the Packers, it's home to the next three nights. On tonight,
(00:46):
next three nights, the NFL Draft will be in green Bay, Wisconsin.
And things you did not think would happen Draft and
Green Bay, Wisconsin at the same time, especially in April, right,
and it's a it's a weird one buyer you can
speak to this having being Wisconsin, which is like April
is this is classic spring, right, You don't know if
(01:07):
you're gonna get up and it's gonna rain. You don't
know if it's gonna get up and be sunny. You
don't know if it's gonna be windy. And if you
don't like how it is, as everyone in the Midwest says,
you don't like the weather, wait fifteen minutes, it will change.
It is that that I don't want to say Russian roulette,
but it is that weather roulette of of what was
what was the expression from forrestco Lava Lago box a chilcoose.
(01:31):
You never know what you're gonna get, right, You do
not know what you're gonna get weatherwise. Fair.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, it could be in the seventies, could rain. Golf
courses are open. You can't play every day. I gotta
do your tornado warning drills and the schools, the whole deal. Yeah,
it's all over the map.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
By the way, we have both of We have two
of those today or actually three of them. Golf courses
are open. It rained this morning, it's supposed to be
seventy this afternoon. You're welcome. That's northeast Wisconsin weather. Although
if you try and go play golf, you're gonna get
it's gonna be a long round because you're not going
to get much role on that one at one at all.
(02:06):
We're going to talk about the Lakers and and JJ's
tirade last night in their win over the Minnesota Timberwolves.
But I was thinking of something because I was on
with Dan Patrick earlier today and Dan and the Danets
were cool enough to come by last night we had
a big event in town raising money for my basketball program,
but they're also broadcasting her live from the bar, and
(02:29):
Dan was very caught up on the fact that I
said that Caitlin Clark had a flaw in her shot,
and again we went through the tweet. It was like
May first, I got the job May fifteenth. But I'm
struggling with why I'm supposed to not point out that
here one of the like the most discussed player in
(02:52):
the history of women's basketball and the landscape of sports.
I would say she's one of the five most discussed
athletes in all of sports. As somebody that has a
deep background in the sport of basketball, why I'm not
supposed to say, hey, she and she's fixed her form.
Since I had developed quite the habit, especially off the
(03:14):
dribble of shooting the ball, starting it on the left
side of her face, which by my estimation was because
she was shooting from further out she needed it for
added strength, and she was kind of slinging the ball
a little bit, which caused her three point percentages to
go down. And of course they reworked it, and now
I heard shots, not Klay Thompson or Steph Curry. But
it's a lot more pure. So I guess here's here's
(03:36):
a little bit of exchange earlier today on the Dan
Patrick Show. If I couldn't physically shoot a basketball, I've
been wouldn't have been recruited by the number of schools
that was recruited by The shooting issues didn't stop us
from winning. And oh yeah, by the way, they didn't
actually occur in terms of fundamental flaws.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But look, if if out there that's my job, oh
it doesn't not as the head coach.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It wasn't as the head coach. That was when I'm
just a radio host and basketball analyst. Go check the
time stamp on it. Give me the time stamp on
the Okay, that was? That was. That was before I
became the head basketball coach of Green Bay, and since
I've become the head basketball coach, we talk about the
same thing we talked about. Do we do we fix
a guy's shot and change his form, which you have
(04:19):
to strip it back down and then build it back
up or make adjustment to it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I think may first, what day.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Did I get the job?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Thank you? So? What was my job at the time
that I made the tweet?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Your job was to be a radio host.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And college basketball analyst? And oh yeah, by the way,
like this is the amazing thing about me. Whether I
like it or don't like it, the reality is that
I do have this unique ability to draw reaction, to
draw reaction. You do okay? You do so?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I just I stand by my analysis I shot so.
I guess here's the question, Jase doo okay, because again
you search for the opposite whatever BS is. Okay. Do
you think it's a bad idea to make a comment
on social media about somebody's jump shot?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Nope, not at all. I think that I listened to
that exchange. I think where Dan came up short in
that exchange and he didn't press you on the Adam
schefter one. Either. You and I have talked about this
on and off the air. It's not necessarily that you
questioned Schefter for the sax State thing. It was that
you questioned his professional wizard. It's not that you questioned
Caitlin Clark on her jump shot. Your re wording was
(05:35):
this needs to be fixed. When do you fix it?
There was an assumption that it needs to be fixed.
I think the wording is what got you in trouble
in both cases.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Why wouldn't it need to be fixed. Her shooting numbers
are three point percentages were going down, and that was
what anyone would look at and go, hey, this will
allow you to shoot the ball better, especially going to
your right where she shot the ball for the most part,
going to her left, because that's where she picked up
the basketball. Again, here's my thing this is, and this
(06:04):
is the point that you know, as I think a
lot of people this year have gotten a chance to
listen to my radio show, somehow that becomes controversial when
the rea I just think that's actually talking about sports.
So many shows are hosted by people who don't know
anything about sports at all. They have no clue, And
(06:26):
there's plenty of people on television talking about sports that
they've never played, that they have no understanding or noah,
and that it does not mean you can't talk about it.
But that's an actual discussion about sports, right, It's it's
a real thing, like do you fix her form? And
you could say, well, fix is a trigger word and
it means that it's broken, like okay, it's not where
(06:47):
it needs to be. Do you adjust? Like, I don't
think I need to change the wording, because that's how
real sports people talk. And honestly, it it does segue
into we'll get to the Lakers discussion, like this is
how real people talk. And the issue with narps. Do
(07:08):
you know what a narpis fired? Do you know what
a narpist?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm gonna guess it's something like never actually really played
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's actually pretty good. It's a non athletic regular person. Okay,
that's what the college athletes call the regular students. They're
a NARP. Right. So what happens is when you have
people that haven't been on a sideline, haven't been in
a locker room, haven't been in a film room, haven't
actually been kind of in the theater of battle, if
(07:42):
you will, and they start talking about that and they
hear criticism and.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like, oh my god, I can't believe you're critical of
Kaylin Clark.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
She's the greatest thing ever. She can be great. She
shot the ball last year when she went into the
WNBA from the left side of her head, and her
numbers were substantially lower. And as she will fix it,
she will shoot a higher percentage from three. Like that's
a real basketball conversation that people actually have. Just like
when do we have the audio? Just like when a
(08:14):
JJ Reddick got onto his team last night, Take a listen,
this is JJ Reddick. He's coaching the la. Oh, we
can't play it on the air because it's cursing. Right,
He's like laying into his team during the game. Are
you blinking kidding me? You know he does mention the
Lord and Savior's name in vain. Okay, he does all
(08:36):
the things, And you'll have people clutching their pearls saying like,
I can't believe JJ Reddick would ever do such a thing.
And anybody who's ever been in the theater, ever played
basketball at a high levels like okay, like he played
for Coach K. Do people understand how Coach K talked
to his team and his players. It's not for the
fant of heart. You don't say please, pretty please, will you?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
When you get a chance, can you go set a
screen for Lebron? Hey? Thanks, great effort there. You know
what the most important thing was. You tried like, that's
not how it works. It's not how it works right now, Look,
there's a way. You have to have the equity with
the players. You can't just lambase them with mfs and
all the different names and words, especially in the NBA
(09:20):
where you deal with growth men that make ten times
the money that you make, that they're way more accomplished
and they don't want to hear it from you. Right,
You have to have the equity with the group. But again,
this is I actually think those two discussions fit together
well because my background is my dad was a coach,
my brother's a coach. This is how we talk about sports.
(09:41):
This is how real people talk about sports. And if
you're bothered by the fact that she had and again
in the totality of the tweet she had, I said,
the amount of work it takes to overcome such a flaw,
which is a compliment and it's real. Just like Reggie Miller,
no one would ever tell you to shoot a basketball
(10:04):
the way that Reggie Miller shoots a basketball, except for
the fact that he made it a lot right, But
no one would say, Hey, what she should do is
shoot the ball with two hands and point him back
towards the basket and have a follow through like so like,
no one teaches that, but he had done it so
much that he could shoot through the flaw through pure
(10:24):
old fashioned work ethic and confidence. So yeah, I just
I think that's I think that's where people are missing
on things more than more than anything.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
from Green Bay, Wisconsin, sight of the NFL Draft. For
over forty years, Tyrak has been helping customer find the
right tires for how, what and where they drive. Ship
fast and free back by Free Road has protection with
convenient installation options like mobile tire installation, tire rackt the
(11:09):
way tire buying should be. Yeah, so this is kind
of cool, right, Uh. The best part of NFL drafts
super Bowl. Whatever is everyone who's kind of in our orbit.
And if you don't know Jay Stew's background, right, Jason
Stewart is our producer. But he's been a booker for
(11:32):
local radio in LA, also for Fox Sports and Fox
Sports One, and previous to that, he was a long
time producer both on air and off air, talent with
with the Jim Rome Show, and he's done lots of
other things as well. But when you when you've when
you've booked as a high level and run his high
level of radio shows and TV shows as he's run
(11:52):
like he knows. Tom Pelsero, who I saw last night
Ian Rappaport, right, and uh, there's this bar the sixth
floor of the Legacy Hotel where we were last night,
and I ran into Palisero and he it's funny. We
were kind of talking about this and I saw him
write it. So here's what it says. NFL Networks Tom
Palisero spoke to a number of coaches and executives ahead
(12:14):
of the draft, asking them to evaluate the top quarterback
prospects available. The most damning quote came from a quote
longtime NFL assistant coach who ripped Shudor Sanders' attitude, body language,
and performance. During his team's formal interview, one longtime NFL
assistant said his time with Sanders was quote the worst
formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's
(12:38):
so entitled, He takes unnecessary sacks, he never plays on time,
he has horrible body language. He blames teammates. But the
biggest thing is he's not that good. Who outside of that,
missus Lincoln? How is the show fifee? And it's really rare.
(13:00):
The Shadoor Sanders thing is going to be a fascinating
thing to watch. Fascinating thing to watch. And you're like,
he's why would you say he's entitled? Okay, look, can
you make some sort of judgment based upon the fact
that you know he drives to Lamborghini, he flashes jewelry
(13:22):
after a game, and some of the things he's been
quoted as saying, like yeah course, I mean, look, he
got his number retired when he was quarterback of a
team and they were one game over five hundred and
two years of work, Like what are we actually doing here? Uh?
But the doesn't play on time, takes unnecessary sacks, has
(13:45):
horrible body language, blames teammates and is not that good again,
I don't know where he goes. It's one of those
things where you're like, well, you gotta take a quarterback
or do you? And my issue And there's been a
(14:05):
lot of people like, well, you're hating on Dion. No,
I'm not. The things Dion says are great, they're about
the right things. The problem is that Dion's own son
just acted so arrogant. Not as much as Shiloh, but
pretty close. Of course, he's a much better player than
his brother. Byer, what do you think happens to Shuder
(14:29):
Sanders Like, that's the He's the guy that we're going
to have to pay most attention to tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I think he falls, and I think that some
team will pick him up later first round, so that's
after sixteen and more of a value pick. I don't
think there's any chance he goes in the top five,
even with Derek Carr's questions. I told you I think
the Saints want to tank for arch Manning in twenty
twenty six, and then you start looking at teams in
(14:57):
the middle that really aren't don't need a quarterback at
that point, so then you start to fall into the twenties,
and so if the Rams are sitting there looking for
an air apparent to Shador Sanders, maybe that's a bit
of a surprise. Maybe it is Pittsburgh. But ultimately I
don't think that they pulled the trigger. But I think
that he definitely falls into the twenties. I don't think
(15:18):
we're going to hear his name called by Roger Goodell,
but we talked about but not called in the first
two hours of that draft.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, it's really interesting, how do I think Dion
only wants to help his son, just like Lebron only
wants to help his son, of course, but the idea
that Dion could ultimately coach his son also hurt Shador
Like I don't think that's the reason the Giants won't
(15:48):
draft him, right, they signed two much more veteran quarterbacks.
Russell Wilson, whatever his flaws, probably gives you a better
chance to win this year than Shador Sanders does this year.
And when you're a coach on the hot seat, you
take the guy who's going to help you win this
year and you don't worry about the future. But there
has to at least be in the back of somebody
back of your head if you're a head coach, Like, yeah,
(16:10):
if I draft Shador Sanders and I'm on the hot seat,
the last thing I want to do is draft Shador
Sanders because if it doesn't go well, Dion's going to
ride in on the white horse and take my job.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's interesting. I thought that there'd be more backlash if
it didn't work out in that they the Sanders camp
has a lot of power and influence not to get
d on the job, but to pit it on the
team that didn't make it work out.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think that's another one. And then it's another one.
I think if it doesn't work, it won't be Chador's
fault and you'll take the fall for it, and Dion's
team will make sure you know that, no question, no question.
There's all sorts of red flags. This is like in dating.
(16:57):
You know in dating that the red flags like, oh wait,
the dad was the college coach. He only played for
the dad in two different colleges. Yeah, the dad doesn't
necessarily want to be a head coach in the pros.
But once it has said, I don't want to be
a coach of the Pros, but I'll coach my son.
(17:18):
Oh entitlement. I mean driving a Lamborghini when you're in
college and flashing a diamond encrusted watch after games. Is
in time? No? No, you know, blaming your offensive line
for not having time like, all of those things, those
are warning signs. Those are red flags as ladies. Ladies
(17:40):
do the red flag thing. Oh well, you hear how
he talked to his mom. Oh my gosh, cannot David.
He's got dad issues, got mom issues. So all the
red flags are there. Is he competitive? Yeah? Will he
stand in there and take a hit and still deliver
the football? Yes? Right, but he is. I just there's
(18:03):
a lot of risk there.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, in a draft. And this is the other crazy
part about it, Doug, is because I do think that
he will fall. It's not even a strong draft, and
he still could fall. Yeah, where Like it would be
worth the risk for a team to take him, because
who knows who you're going to get at thirteen or
in fifteen in that territory, And if a team wanted
(18:26):
to trade up, you cou'd be like, well, we had
a second round grade on everybody else that was left.
We only had eleven first round grades in this draft.
Why not go up and get value. But even that's
not being discussed.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Sure, it's the gott Leeb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And look, one of the things we try and do
for you here is, let's not just do the one
sided perspective of the radio host or of the analysts. Instead,
there is a different side, not just player side or
coach's side, but also agent side. Brian Murphy is our guest.
(18:58):
He's the CEO of Athletes First. He co hosts the
Athletes First Family podcast. You can find it on the
iHeartRadio app wherever you get your podcast into your queue.
For people who don't know Athletes First is, you know,
it's synonymous with all the elite quarterbacks for many of
the elite quarterbacks in the Nation Football League, justin Herbert,
Dak Prescott and others. Brian, thanks so much for taking time.
(19:21):
What are these days like or this day like when
you're leading up to tomorrow's NFL Draft here in Green Bay? Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, thanks, it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Today's pretty awesome.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I think the analogy I E wound us is like,
you know, Christmas Eve, right for Christmas and hopefully most
of your Christmas shopping is done, and you know I
have to go out to the stores and whatnot, and
you're kind of sitting home and just getting ready. They
grabbing the presents and whatnot. So, I mean, all of
our players are pretty much where they're going to be
for tomorrow, whether that's in Green Bay or at their homes,
and we've got everything set up for him, and we've
(19:55):
talked to all the teams, got all the information we
could possibly get. Now we're just kind of hitting back
and making some last second calls and just get ready
for the show.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Like I address of you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, there's so much made about the quarterback contracts
and having to have one dollar more than the guy before, right,
And for example, we're waiting on brock Purty to sign
his new deal with the San Francisco forty nine ersp
But I would make the case that, I know, I
don't think brock Perry's a client of yours, but I
(20:28):
would make the case that, like, while you want him
to remain as a quarterback of the Niners, do you
really need to spend sixty million dollars for brock Party
When you're doing these deals, how much of it is about, Hey,
this is common practice. I have to get a dollar
more than the guy or then the agent or then
the player who signed the last big contract gout.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Yeah, well when you say dollar more, assume as a
metaphorical right, Like so like we did Dax steal, we
got five million dollars more. So, uh, it's certainly not
you're not shoot for a dollar more. But I do
think your point being like when you're an elite quarterback,
when you're a top top quarterback, uh, kind of the
same we have is that you know, the next up
is you you know, often become the highest paid, right,
(21:13):
And but I think to get to that level, you
have to be considered, you know, e leaite quarterback by
all three two teams, and you know, every team is
a different situation. But I think we've certainly done some
quarterbacks for deals for starting quarterbacks where you know, they
didn't they weren't the next step. They didn't become the
highest aid because they weren't necessarily considered you know, uh
in that status here. So I think you have to
(21:35):
you know, be a level one quarterback. But then if
you're a level one quarterback in your next up, I
think it's you know, supplying the man pretty much tick
takes that you know, hopefully you become the highest baid
and then you know, all the quarterbacks kind of work together,
like you know, like you said, we did to his
deal and Jordan loves Deal, and Herbert Steel and Dax
Steel and we just you know, we're all kind of
(21:56):
piled upont of each other. So the next person up
could then get the hit share, so that the quarterback
Tonopole conversation, Toto Pole is kind of rising, just like
the salary cap is, just like the rest of the
NFL revenues. And I do think it's pretty important that
you get that you know, extra dollar quote unquote, so
you keep the market going.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Upwards in the all time greatest upsets can you believe,
especially from where you sit maybe the most powerful agency
in all the nash Football League. You believed Tom Brady
and what they what they did not and look pull disclosure.
I know you know this. Tom Brady was never poor,
was never broke, and they would work things into signing
(22:34):
bonuses or whatever and kick the taxcan down the road.
But the fact that I still think, all these years later,
the true story of the Patriots was that guy was
almost ever the top paid quarterback in the league is
the stuff that will likely never happen again. Is that fair?
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, I think I think it's I think it's fair.
I mean, I think it's in some ways it is
happening again. But like, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know,
we didn't represent Tom. I don't really know Tom very well,
but what I can say is, like, I think Tom
got exactly what Tom wanted to out of those negotiations
and for whatever reason, you know, being the highest paid
quarterback was never important to Tom, and you know the
(23:12):
Seven Rings were important to Tom. And I think you
can do both. But yeah, I think the Patriots and
growing up near Fox for like, the Patriots had a
huge huge advantage not having to spend cap or cash
on making him the highest paid quarterback, and that certainly
helped them get to all those rings and keep that time.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I know, you know, quarterbacks are all the sexy talk.
Running backs were the talk of not this passed off
Stagon a little bit with a lot of them changing
place but two years ago, you know, not getting the
type of extensions that they felt like they deserved. And
then you know you have guys change places like a
sai Quon Barkley and go out and have great years.
(23:52):
What what do you think the state of the running
back market is, like, not just in this year, but in.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
The in the in the years the yeah, absolutely, and
it's it's I'm always fascinated to I'm a nerd, Like
I love studying trends and looking where the market's going.
And I couldn't tell you anything about the stock market,
but the the NFL position marketing you know pretty well.
And you know, I think it's it's really just a factor.
Like we just said, like if we do the next quarterback, like, yeah,
you want to make him highest page and that's because
(24:19):
if you don't make him the highest paid, then that's
going to become a trend, right, Like, so he did
get out, and then the next quarterback is going to
maybe go down a little more.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I think got a little board.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I think that's what you saw on the running back market.
And you had some big, big deals done and then
all of a sudden, you had some elite running backs
you know, not find that market for whatever reason, and
so they started coming down, and then so the running
back stocks started coming down. And so it was gonna
come down until someone had the opportunity was in the
situation to correct it. And that was obviously you know,
(24:47):
uh sae Quan did a great job with that. Now
he had he had to you know, play for the
franchise ad, which is difficult, but he did a great
job with that, and then he backed up his contract
without just unbelievable play. And I think now you're going
to see you know, people like it like that Jamior
Gives and those type of elite running backs. It's now
incumbent upon them to keep that stock going upwards, right
because as soon as it comes down, you know, it's
(25:09):
hard to reburset a trend. So I think it is
a great couple of years now to be an LLeague
running back and I think that their their stock will
coep going up.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And Brian Murphy Brian Murphy's our guest. He's the CEO
of Athletes First. He co hosts the Athletes First Family
podcast you can find in your iHeartRadio app or wherever
you download your pods. The one thing the NFL contracts
seem to there is an ability to be sort of creative,
Like Mahomes contract is creative. There's others that are creative
in terms of the ability to kind of re up
(25:39):
a mid midway through, but not the level of creativity
we saw with the Dodgers and show hey Otani and
trying to avoid the tax. Uh what within this CBA?
What what are the next wave of contracts look like?
Not not maybe necesary dollar amounts, but are there any
interesting changes or things that are evolving within those NFL contracts.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Well, I think one trend that we've definitely you know,
we can talk about as our podcasts were definitely try
to do this with our quarterbacks. And I mean I
think that you know, our first deal, you know, twenty
years ago for two buds, so it was a ten
year deal and we probably be fired if we did
a ten year deal now. So I mean, the one
trend that you're seeing these elite league players like trying
to get a shorter deals as possible, trying to get
a three year extension or four year extension just because
(26:24):
we know where the salary CAP's going and to tie
yourself up for ten and twelve years is really doing
your client to service. So but I think we're there
now most of the lead players are trying to get
those shorter deals. But I think the next, the next
trend and next thing that we really need to pushes
you know, we need to try to get grab some
of that enterprise value. We try need to grab some
of that value of the shield. We need to tire
our elite quarterbacks to the other players to like increases
(26:46):
in salary cap. And that's never been done before. It's
not prohibited by the CBA. We're gonna have a tough
time doing like tax strategies just because of thirty two
teams in the cities wanting to get capture those texts.
But if we can somehow push the players so that
the star star players can be tied to the value
of the league, the value of the Shield, and and
(27:07):
you know right now we sure finding groose revenue, but
really being you know, as a franchise, franchises go up
in value, like if we if we can link into
that somehow some way, and then you know we.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Don't, so you'd have sway, so you'd have like a
stock equity for quarterbacks like they right, the.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
First step, first step would be just tying our tying
our talent, talering our deal to our incentives, our base salaries,
our ross boses to the increase in salary cap. So
if we do a deal and salid cap goes up
twelve percent, then our deal goes up twelve percent, and
so like you can, you can tie it to the
salary cap. We try to do in the past hasn't
been done. And another thing that we just need to
(27:47):
continue to push for. Obviously we got done with the
Shaul Watson, but uh, we need we need to get
to one hundred percent guaranteed contracts, and to get to
the hundredsent guarantee contracts, we need to get rid of
the funding rule, and the funding rule of antiquated shouldn't
really exist anymore. We're getting culture and culture right. I mean,
the deal we just did for Jerald Singer Junior was
basically ninety eight percent guaranteed. But we get a hundred
(28:08):
sent guaranteed, then the players can go out to some
different financial things off you know.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, I mean, but when the first ever fully guaranteed
quarterback contractor is to Shaun Watson, and if we're honest
with ourselves, it's been an abject disaster of a deal
for the Cleveland Browns. Right. They obviously knew it well
signing the deal, right, both sides have to agree to
get a deal. Are we are we actually closer to
(28:32):
that place with quarterbacks, considering Deshaun signed the first of
its kind.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
I think I think we're closer to that with with
all elite players. I think we're I don't think we're
too far away. And I mean, you know this because
you're you know, you're you're in the basketball world. Like
I've seen a lot of one hundreds of guarantee contracts
in baseball and basketball, complete disasters, right and again, like
you know you gotta take the risks.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
We take the risk.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
But I don't think I don't think that what's happening
with this and again you haven't given up on deshawnath
Stson come back and play great. And I think Cleven
did a good job with insurance company. But you know,
what happened with that contract should not prevent other quarterbacks
and other earleague players getting.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
I think it's I think it's the right thing to do,
and the other school other leagues have done it, and
there's a good reason to do it, And the only
reason teams don't do it right now is because they
can hide behind the funding rules saying, well, if we guarantee,
take guarantee it that we got to put money in
the fund and that will shouldn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, I got to put it in real quick. I
know you got to go, what's the likely that Aaron
Rodgers plays in the NFL next season? Oh?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Man, you have that daring that I mean, I'm obviously
we represent Aaron. I'm a huge Aaron Rodgers fan, so
I would love to see him play. You know, I
can't imagine the league without him, But that's only Aaron
knows that answer.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Hey, Brian, let's ign know. Tomorrow is a big day
for you guys, but every day is a big day
when you wrap all these big names in the NFL.
Thanks much for be your guests and look forward to
listening to the podcast.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Mark Thanks, Doug, big fan of yours, appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
S Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Tirek. For over
forty years, the Tyrak has been helping customers find the
right tires for how, what and where they drive, ship
fast and free and back by free road house protection
with convenience stallation options like mobile tire installation tyrek dot Com.
The way tire buying should be. I just walked outside.
We're in the heart of Green Bay, Wisconsin' in the
(30:28):
title town district, and I mean it is glorious. It
is sunny. It is a Chamber of Commerce day, That's
what it is. And he's not the mayor, but he
damn well could be at any point that he'd like.
He's the outgoing president and CEO of the Green Bay Packers.
(30:49):
He's Mark Murphy's kind of to spend a couple moments
with us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Mark, You're you're the guys single handedly getting
the the responsibility for bringing the draft to Green Bay.
How did this all happen? How was the How was
the draft able to get to lambeau Field.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well, first of all, it was a total team effort.
It was everybody within the organization. We all knew how
much it would mean, not only to the packer organization
but to the entire community. But it really goes back
to when they started taking the draft on the road
in twenty fifteen. We kind of raised our hand and said,
(31:34):
you know, we'd love to host host the draft in
Green Bay, and you know, we ended up going to
other cities and really kind of wondered sometimes whether it
would truly work out. But you mentioned I think a
little A couple of things were really crucial. Obviously lambeau
Field and the history and tradition of the Packers, but
(31:54):
the Titletown development. I don't think we would have the
draft or it not for that. And then the resh XBO.
Obviously you're familiar with the ret Center and the res
x BO. That whole area has really really kind of
put us over the top in terms of being able
to post the draft.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Did you did you personally design the weather to roll
in and suddenly be sunny and beautiful today? Was that?
I know you're a powerful man, Mark. I didn't know
you're that powerful.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
No, I don't have that you control actually, uh, And
you know we ended up we had like a thunderstorm
and we had to shut things down for a while,
but it was kind of a slow time, so worked up.
I really have been on the Titletown field with Special
Olympics athletes and other other youth football players, which was
really positive.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
What what is give me something that's come up that
you cannot believe. It's something that you guys have had
to kind of figure out how to deal with, whether
it's this week or the week's leading up to it.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Oh boy, you know, I have to admit. I mean,
it's the leagues events, and you know they obviously they've
done this multiple times and they have it down to
a but seeing the size of the stage, it's unbelievable
how they put it together. Uh yeah, I guess. I
(33:16):
guess it's just the magnitude of U and I I've
described that. I just encourage all of our fans, everybody
out there and you got to come to this. It's unbelievable.
I mean, it's like Disney World for football fans. Yeah,
for everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, no, it's it's really it's really interesting. How do
you get an accurate crowd size count? Right? That's that's
the whole thing, because you get people who said, well,
four hundred thousand people that have two hundred and fifty
thousand people there tomorrow they have Is there is there
a specialist? Is there somebody who hire who does the
crowd size count?
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And that's a great question. I think there's some double
and triple counting there. But well, uh, you know, they
do have a there is a they do for the
three days of the draft. Each day they start over,
so you know, if somebody's coming two or three times,
they'll be counted. But uh, yeah, no, we you know,
(34:16):
we're we're aftimating that we would have two hundred and
fifty thousand. I think in Detroit last year it was
like over seven hundred thousand, so obviously, yeah, you know,
that's a little bit larger city than Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, last thing, Mark, I know everybody asks you this.
As president of the Green Bad Packers, will the Packers
select a wide receiver in the first round of the
draft for.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
The first time since two thousand and two. We'll see
if that receiver is the best player available.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
We will do it a percentage of times stat gets
asked to you in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
On a very regular basis. That's the most amazing any
thing other than we will take the best player available.
It's unlushly decided to trade down or to trade to
him traded up before. It's really an amazing process. Doug.
You know, when I was a player, I always wondered,
you know, what goes on in the draft room. And
(35:17):
you know the last seventeen years being a part of that.
It's it's not quite on the draft day, but there
there's some truth.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
In that when when life imitates art imitates life. Mark Murphy,
president's CEO of the Green Bay Packers. Mark, obviously, this
is an incredible achievement. You guys have been able to
get green Bay here. Thanks so much for being our
guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah. Thanks, though again it's it's really exciting just to
see the impact that is going to have and the
excitement that it's generated in the community.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
No question about it. That's Mark Murphy, the outgoing president
of the Green Bay Packers. This is the Gotlib Show
here live at the Bar at home Gren just in
the shadows of lambeau Field. Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.