April 25, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug explains what is on the pie chart of reasons Shedeur Sanders did not get drafted on night one. Doug welcomes former Bucs General Manager Mark Dominik on to break down the first round of the NFL draft. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I GOT DIBBS".
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We're live in Green Bay, Wisconsin, where the NFL Draft
will continue on a little bit later on tonight. Alright,
but what a night it was for Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Welcome into the crew. We got Dan Byer and Jason
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Stewart and Iowa Sam all back in Los Angeles. I'm
here in Green Bay at the Bar, which has hosted
has hosted both My show and Dan Patrick Show as well.
So look, let's get started. There's a lot to talk about.
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There was some NBA games last night. Crazy comeback by
the Oaklhom City Thunder, absolutely insane comeback.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
The Clippers dominate the.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Nuggets, the Knicks end up holding off the Pistons.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There is some NBA to discuss.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And yeah, the first round of the draft took place
in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and the Packers, for the first
time since two thousand and two, took a wide receiver
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But the.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Entire draft coverage has been taken over by one guy
who was not drafted, and I just I think it's
worthy of that being now only the lead. But that's
kind of the show because what happens is and this
has happened before, it'll probably happen again, is everybody takes
it to mean something it probably doesn't mean or doesn't
(02:02):
mean in full scale. But the level of kind of
craziness with with how with how people react to.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It is really remarkable.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
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does does the TV narrative fit how America actually feels?
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And are we that easy to be manipulated to listen
to TV and make make the assumptions made on TV,
which by the way, are not not necessarily all in fact?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right, are we that easy to manipulate?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Like what's happening here is no different than what I
said has happened with the President, no different than what
I've said what's happened with Lebron James. Either you're all
in or you're out right. Because what you're hearing from
Lewis Riddick, what you're hearing from mel kiper Junior, what
you're hearing from Ryan Clark, what you're hearing from Joel
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Klatt is so based upon emotion and not based upon fact.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It just really is. You know, it truly is, because
there is it.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
There hasn't been one of those guys who've come out
and said, how could you? Lewis Reddick went on Dan Patrick,
he was on the ESPN broadcast last night. Lewis who
he hasn't been a GM, but he has been in
scouting in the.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Nation Football League.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He projected that Shador Sanders could have a Tom Brady
like career or a Drew Brees like career. Now, if
we're honest with ourselves, Tom Brady was a six round pick.
Drew Brees was a second round pick. So we act
like it's blasphemy. A guy doesn't get picked in the
first thirty two picks, it is not. It doesn't mean
you're not gonna be in the NFL. It means you're
not gonna be a first round draft pick in the NFL.
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And it's about fifty to fifty in terms of first
round draft pick quarterbacks. And I mean, look, we're gonna
watch the San Francisco forty nine ers. You have Brock
Purty sixty million dollars a year and he was mister irrelevant.
But the lack of actual football talk or lack of reality, like,
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who are these people saying that Shador Sanders is arrogant?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Wait? Wait, wait?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Does anybody not think Shador Sanders carries himself in a
manner that's not arrogant and entitled? Like, we're not making assumptions,
we're not taking unnamed sources. These are pretty easy things
to follow. And I don't think it's just one thing.
I don't think that Dion's's dad, or the threats of
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holding him out if he was picked by a team
they didn't want to be picked up. I don't think
that's the reason he falls. I don't think it's solely
because you know, of the ego and the active entitlement
or the flash flashing of the watch.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think those things don't help.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I also think something that hasn't been discussed is not
a bunch of teams need quarterbacks. They just don't go
through the teams and figure out who needs Because if
you're the Saints, and look, I don't think Derek Carr
is good enough to get to the playoffs with right.
The Raiders couldn't stand him. The Saints didn't really like
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him either, Right, But it's pretty obvious the Saints have
decided that we have a better shot of turning this
thing around with the money we have spent and then
using that draft pick towards a player. Then we do
drafting Shador Sanders, which means we have to start shoud
or Standers at some point this year, likely.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
After free agency.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You can count on one hand a team that doesn't
have a quarterback plan, right, Like, tell me the team
that's I can't believe the Packers. The Packers have a
bunch of money in Jordan Love. The Niners are gonna
put a bunch of money on Rock Purty. The Rams
have Matt Stafford. The Seahawks went and got Sam darm
like go through it, and again I don't like the
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Colts plan at quarterback in Anthony Richardson, but they're trying
to see a first round draft pick through and see
if he can turn it in year three after an
injury plagued year one.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Or year two. Hasn't been discussed.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
No one says, hey, you know, there's not a ton
of teams that currently need a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The next part to it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Is has anyone discussed the fact that he doesn't throw
the ball downfield? It gets passed over. We lead through
notes there's some questions about his arm strength. Remember they're
playing in altitude in Boulder, so your ball has more life,
and I'm sure there's.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Concerns about it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
The other part is people make the assumption that he's
an athletic quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
He's son of Dean Sanders, who's one of the greatest
football players ever, an incredible athlete. But there's two sets
of the gene pool and pretty obvious that some genes
are stronger than others, and those genes don't necessarily make
you fast.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And then you get to the big part of it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think actual football talent is huge, but if we
go back to when Josh Rosen was drafted. Remember, Josh
Rosen was projected early on to be the number one
pick and he slid to ten. Started half of one
year with the Cardinals, then was released. They signed Kyler
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Murray draft him number one overall the next year. But
the stories behind Josh Rosen were this. This is an
actual GM told me this. He said, I went to
his high school, Saint John Bosco. I went to UCLA,
and there wasn't anyone we brought in that we interviewed
that said, you know who the best guy I ever
played with was?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You know who my dog is? You know what? Boys?
You know who's got my back? Josh Rosen. Did they
respect his talent? Yeah? Is he a bright dude? Yeah?
Does he bother?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And I'm sure Shador is the same way like Schnor
is probably a great dude to be around. But in
terms of do you want to go to war with
this dude? Is he always going to have his back?
Shador standards strikes me as a younger, unproven version of
Lebron James, where when things go wrong, everybody around Lebron
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points to somebody else. Don't believe me it happened last
week right where his agent said, Hey, it wasn't really
a big three in Miami. Chris Bosh wasn't a big three?
What does that mean? That's when we lost. Chris Bosh
was the problem. Remember these guys who scout in the NFL,
they don't miss anything. It's their job not to miss anything.
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And when Colorado played in Nebraska early this year and
Shadoor Sanders was removed from the game mostly because he
was taking a beating because his offensive line, by their estimation,
wasn't doing a good enough job. And then the blame
of last year and even some of the blame of
the losses this year fell on other people other than
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It tells you all you need to know.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But again, like guys, you're watching these broadcasts and full disclosure,
I watched the first pick.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It was an unbelievable scene.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And then I watched some of the other picks from
the Legacy Hotel and the bar up on the sixth floor,
and then I went home to watch the Packers pick.
There's just a sea of humanity there and I needed
a little bit of a break, right, But the whole
draft has been taken over by why didn't Shador Sanders
get drafted and these false reasons why it's about his dad,
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it's about the color skin, it's about the nil than
the Lamborghini and the watch, like, yeah, that plays a part,
but the fact is that he's not viewed as that
great a prospect And it doesn't even matter how good
a prospect you are if you're not a guy that
people can get behind. It lead and nothing about his
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presentation up until last night, and even last night you're like,
how could you possibly think Shadoor Sanders could be viewed
as arrogant entitled?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Then they flashed at Shadoor Sanders house and he's.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Got legendary or whatever it was everywhere, Like he's not
exactly doing his due diligence to eliminate that as as
an overall narrative of who he is. Bayer, do you
think it's a crime against humanity that Shador Sanders was
not drafted in the first round last night?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
No, not at all. And I think it's it's a
long tail in the NFL of everything is included with everything,
and that you know, we've talked about this with a
variety of different players. When it comes down to it.
Not trying to be vague in this whole thing, but
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it's just you are what you are. And if there
are concerns, say there are motivational concerns, or they feel
that he's too cocky or too arrogant, or whatever the
case is, if his play was to the level that
it needed to be, that wouldn't matter. A team would
take him. And I just I if that plays it
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roll in it, which I think that it does, the
arrogance portion of it. It's because the level of his play,
which is the point I think that you're getting to
and have laid out, isn't there. And so now if
anybody's sitting on the fence of shore Sanders, I think
that then they would probably side to the or lean
to the side of Okay, we're just not going to
have that around here. It's just not our thing. And
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I think everything matters through this thing. It's why you
get asked the dumb questions through these you know, through
this process. You know what's your you know, what would
you know if you were an animal, what would you be?
All of those things. Everything matters in all of this,
and so I think with shud or Sanders, everything matters,
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and I feel that for some reason, when people look
at him, they're not taking everything into accounts.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, yes, I want I agree with you. All those
little little things become big things. I little things become
big things. And I understand that people say, because the
reality of Dion Sanders is if he's a crazy parent,
Like get in line. They're all crazy parents and they
just are. You know, Lebron James perfect example of it.
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You know, people question his son's validity in the NBA
and so you know he had cost stephen A. You know,
in the middle of a Laker game, he tweets at
me for no reason at all. Right, all my my
high school coach became a great junior college coach, and
he tells me all the time, like, hey, just remember
when you talk to the parents, they're blinded by.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Love and everyone is.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Anyone who's ever been in love knows what it's like
to be blinded by love. Imagine if that's your son, right,
Imagine if that's your son. So the fact that that
Dion truly believes his son is one of the two
best players in America is not surprising to anybody who's
ever coached youth sports ever before. It doesn't matter how
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talented the dad is or how little the dad knows.
How much the dad knows, they love their kids and
they think of their kids on a greater level than
anybody else. The difference is the difference is that Dion
has the reality show. The difference is he's a had
football coach. The differences Dion is on TV all the
time and whatever. And you know the idea of having
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a guy that you have to look over your shoulder,
whether or not he wants to coach with my team,
whether he thinks he knows better. I just I think
it all does matter. Is Dion the reason that he
wasn't draft the first round? No but a little bit?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Is the holding up the watch to celebrate the reason
that he was and drafted No but a little bit. Look,
the biggest thing is I think most people are like,
he's not that good.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He's just not. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And if there's one lesson that GMS have learned is
don't reach for a need at quarterback, especially in the
first round. If you do, you have to play that guy.
And if you play that guy and he stinks, you
are going to get fired.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Period. Stop. If you draft a wide receiver and he stinks.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You can survive. If you draft a left tackle and
he stinks, you can survive. If you draft a quarterback
and he can't play at that level, or he's not
a leader, or he's whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It doesn't you are getting fired because you have to
play that guy.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And if you don't play that guy, then he's got
a ball cap in he's setting in signals and you're like,
oh right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Look, it happened to Steve Kaime.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Steve Kime draft Josh Rosen does work, gets rid of
Josh Rosen drafts, drafts to Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray's pretty good, right,
They still fire her. Now there's other stuff that goes
into a winner, but still fire. If you draft a
quarterback in the first round that can't play, you're gonna
get fired, period.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Stop. So you better know for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And and if you think that leadership and if you
think that arrogance works, if you think that you can
have that, I give you Jay Cutler. Jake Culer is
the perfect example. He was hated by his Bears teammates,
hated they put him in a different locker room than
his teammates. Jay Cutler had all the talent in the world.
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He's super bright, he had a great arm, and yet
he couldn't stay as a starting quarterback long in the NFL,
and he could never be a backup because people didn't
like him. And just like life is a popularity contest,
so is the NFL. You gotta be a guy that
everybody likes. It actually is no different than being a
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head coach. We talked about this with Eric Bieneby. When
you start to be polarizing in a position where you
gotta be liked, not not only like, loved by everybody,
it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work unless you're
so talented. Even then, it doesn't work. It really doesn't.
And I would love to say Shador is gonna be
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humbled by not being drafted, But when you have all
these people on TV acting like these thirty two teams
are all idiots for not drafting him, that doesn't humble people.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
Welcome, It's Doug Gottlieb Show Live from the Bar here
in Rainy green Bay, Wisconsin. It is interesting, right, everybody's
concern was over the weather, and if you go back
to you know, the draft is yesterday. Wednesday afternoon was like,
oh my gosh, the weather's gonna be unbelievable. And then
yesterday it was cold and crisp, but it didn't seem
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to matter because everybody was hammered over watching the draft
at Lambeau today. Guys, it it's been soggy all day.
I'm not gonna lie to you. Not exactly. A Chamber
of commerce grabbed the stick s date. Now it's supposed
to clear up right before the draft, so's it should
be interesting what the weather's like. I think the tornado
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will still be great, but a fascinating night to watch
the Green Bay community come and get behind this thing.
And then I don't know, watching Mark Murphy being up
there for his final draft and he's considered the man
responsible for bringing the draft to Green Bay and then
having him read on the card first time since two
thousand and two, the Packers draft wide receiver. I thought
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that kind of made the night. After that, no one
knows what happened because nobody, nobody cares. All anybody who
seemed to care about was cam Ward going one who
went twenty third? And then I guess apparently Shadoor Sanders
not getting not getting drafted. That that that's the night
in a in a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
The part that I found most disingenuous was did did
you guys see Ryan Clark's post earlier today Dan Bayer?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Did you did you listen to his?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, you know, he went down the typical Ryan Clark
rabbit hole, uh in regards to Shador Sanders and how
he's being evaluated and maybe held in his mind accountable
because of the color of his skin. I know this
is a shocker, but Ryan Clark believes that one of
the reasons shad Or Sander wasn't drafted was because he's black,
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which is hysterical considering the number one overall pick is
a quarterback who just so happens to be black as well.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
In a cam word, right, does like does anyone else
feel that?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And he acts like this is the first quarterback to
have his personality and game picked apart, like we made
a big deal about Baker Mayfield grabbing his junk before
they played Kansas. Right, people accurately predicted that Josh Rosen
wouldn't last in the NFL because of his personality, right,
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So I do not really, I don't really understand why.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I guess I do. It's worked for him. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
If playing the race card has taken Ryan Clark from
being a tremendous football player to being a good analyst,
and now play the race card in the last five
years and you're on inside the NFL and you're on
everything across the board, I guess you keep playing that
race card. I just don't understand how that fits this narrative.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
It was interesting too, because he'd be calling out his
former team. I did see a clip where he was emotional,
not emotional, but just when the Steelers did not pick
Shoud or Sanders, he had a different reaction to that pick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, let's welcome in a guy who's actually made
these selections before. It's Mark Dominic He's joined us throughout
the year. He's former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers.
He joined the on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Mark, first, thoughts that come to your mind
on last night's first round of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, I think by the lack of moves shows you
how this draft class maybe wasn't as sexy as some
people thought. I think there's a lot of good talent here,
but I thought that. I think the big thing I
took away from it is I was just about as
excited with the last picks in the draft as I
was with the first picks in the draft, meaning the
Josh simm and what we saw at the end of
the first round, to me, were just as exciting players
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some of the guys we saw at at the top
of the draft.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Cam Ward, what's your evol on him as a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I look, I like cam Ward. I think he has
some accuracy that he's going to continue to improve upon.
I do like his toughness. Is competitiveness absolutely show up
on tape, and you got to appreciate that. I understand
the Titans. Look, you've got to do something. You can't
go with Will Levis. He was clearly and I think
across the board everybody saw him as the best quarterback
in the draft class. And so you've got is it
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compared to last year's class. No, it's a different group
of guys, But you're dealt with whatever hand you get.
The year that you have the number one pick, and
so I like cam Ward. I may not be in
love with him where I feel like I'm that much
more confident than other players. But I also don't sit
there and say if he were picked last year and
he was picked instead of Michael Pennix, I'd be like, Okay,
I think cam Ward's got a shot. I think the
big thing for the Titans is the offensive line is right,
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and that's huge for cam Ward because I think they
did a good job begetting Dan Moore. They get to
move lay them over. I think that offensive line is
tremendously improved. They just got to get a tight end
for this quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
is our guest, of course, former general manager of the
tamp Bay Buccaneers. Mark, let me ask you, shardor Sanders
doesn't get drafted in the first round. If you had
to do the pie chart in two reasons, why what
are the slices and which slices are bigger than others?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
So I would say Number one. Something I think I
talked with you about was all the sacks he took
are a big concern for clubs, for coaches, for you know,
front offices. It's just it's hard to take a lot
of sacks. And sometimes when you take a sack because
you don't want to have an incompletion, that shows up
and you realize that when you break him down, that
that was real and you don't want him doing that
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at the next level. You know, he's got to be
able to, you know, move if it's second and eight,
it doesn't need to be third and twelve. It needs
to be third and eight and throw the ball away.
And that's something I think some people did and and
I think that's a big piece of that pie. But Doug,
I think you're also realizing that the thing that I
struggled with was Dion knows the business he ran, he
talks about to be the business, and yet they did
not run this process like a business. They ran it
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like entertainment. And I think they messed themselves up by
the way they handled the media, by the way they
handled you know, cameras following them around, By the way
that Dion would call him when he's doing zoom meetings
with NFL clubs or in meetings of NFL clubs, his
dad would call and say, let me see what you're talking
to show and turn the phone around, and they just
they didn't they didn't respect the process, I think, And
I think that hurt him too, And I think maybe
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there's a little bit of that that's part of the
I think sixty percent of the again, not taking not
you know, taking too many stacks, not throwing the ball away,
and the whole package what you're getting, I think, or
at least fifty percent of that pie.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's a real thing, right, that,
that's a real thing. Who is Dad? Is how he
handles it? You know what happens if you're not successful,
how that can become ugly. All that is, all that
is is all part of the whole package, is it not?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
It is? And people would be like, well you just
take them anyway, and well you've got to decide, but
you get one shot. Usually I got to draft a
quarterback in the first round. Some people have had more
luck than I have in terms of that, some people haven't.
You get one shot at a quarterback, and if you're wrong,
you're out right. That's usually the way it is, certainly
for head coach and generally for general managers. And I
think in the case it should do or you know,
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Hunter is a lot of the reason why he was
such a good player, And you've got to understand that
Travis Hunter is a big piece of that uz and
maybe it's not just a quarterback, but it might be
the guy that he's throwing the ball to. And I
think that that's what obviously the jacksonvill Jaguars self, and
so that's another piece of it all that you're looking
at the Hunter and what he was able to accomplish,
and it kind of takes away maybe a little bit
more of what should do or it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
What did you think of the Giants trading up to
draft Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I wasn't surprised. I've kind of got a sense that
they kind of like Jackson Dart in a couple of
weeks back, and that's where I've said I thought he
was going in the first round, and I think it
was good value for the Giants. You know, look, Jackson
didn't have his best year last year, but if you
just break down trade wise, there's a lot to like
and he's a better athlete than I think people probably
give him credit for. And I think that's going to
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be something that's going to show up a little bit.
So I think it's a risk that they had to do.
I didn't think they were going to go through the
season with James Winston as the starting quarterback or anything
like that. I think it's a risk reward. They both
know we're gonna have to we have to show big
growth next year to keep our jobs. I think everybody
understands that in the organization. And I like what the
Giants did. I love taking Abdul Carter. It's not a
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hard pick, but you know, and then obviously go get
the quarterback. I think the Giants are sneaky better than
people realize.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Now, why draft him in the first round? Why trade
up for the first round? I mean I have again,
yeah again this is and this is a layman and outsider.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've been told by so many people.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hey, as a player, it's not actually that bad to
get drafted in the second round because there is no
fifth year option. Is there any of that with the Giants?
Where yeah, maybe they wait and he falls to him
in the second round. Obviously you want to get ahead
of Cleveland because maybe Cleveland takes him. But is there
something to Hey, it's actually better off for the team
drafting him in the first round because you get that
fifth year option if you end up wanting.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
To keep him.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Yeah, I think that's part of it. And I think
the fifth year option is always a nice thing. We've
seen most quarterbacks, no matter what their dealers, get their
deal done after your three if they can actually play.
But it still gives you that leverage point and also
means that you don't have to play in this year.
You've still got an extra year that you're not feeling
the pressure of, like what do I have to do
with it. I think the reason why they went and
got him was I think they were worried about like
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Cleveland with two twos, you know, you know, the first
pick in the draft and also the thirty six pick
in this draft. That's an easy team that could go
do something real quick before the end of the first round,
and I think they were very scared of the Cleveland Browns.
I think that's why they went and made this move
to make sure that they were in position to be
able to get the quarterback they wanted instead of letting
Cleveland possibly sneak back into the first I think they
were competing against Cleveland to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Mark domins our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Mark was a former jail manager
of the Tampay Buccaneers. He joins us throughout the season
as he breaks down games and prospects, and now he's
helping us break down last night's first round of the
NFL Draft. Maybe the most surprising thing is the fact
that the Green Bay Packers did something they have not
done since two thousand and two, and they draft a
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wide receiver in Matthew Golden with the twenty third pick.
I went, you're sitting there watching in Tampa. You've been
in the league this long. What was your reaction when
they went with Golden at twenty three.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I truly wasn't surprised. I had a chance to be
around Matt Golden through the draft process. He's unbelievably smart.
He might be the best route runner in this draft
class in terms of pure route running. And I think
that you heard it, you know, from the horse's mouth.
They were looking for number one, and I know Romeo
Dobbs didn't take it well, Jayden Reed, got is heearted
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Don don Kavi, which wanted out of there. So when
they took Matt Golden, I was like, well, that they
want wide receiver one. They're still looking for it. They
feel like they got wide receiver two's up and down
the roster, but they don't have wide receiver one. And
I think again, they want to score points in Green Bay.
You got the two tight ends, You've got these receiving rooms,
you got Josh Jacobs. It's just more firepower. And I
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like where their roster is set. I think they'll go
back over to the defensive side in this next run
here for a little bit more, probably at the cornerback position.
But I like what they did because again they told us,
even though Jordan Loved said they're looking for wide receiver one.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Who is the pick in the first round? That left
you scratch your head the most.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Uh, In terms of that, I didn't love. I would
have probably, you know, for for I don't know if
it's tamp or not, but it's just you know, I
know that, you know they've got older receivers. I know
Chris Dodd, I wouldn't call hold, but uh, you know,
Buka was just a little surprise that Tampa went there
instead of maybe something on the defensive line or more
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passers or even on the offensive line. Didn't hate to say,
because I liked the player. I just thought the fit
was a little bit different and than what I expected
them to do. You know, maybe uh, you know, I
wasn't a time Josh Connolly juniors as maybe some other
people were. I like the idea of.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Moving you know, uh, you know, one of the guys inside.
I think that's gonna be important to them to be
able to do that. But Coleman, who I think played
really well out there, but I think they'll move him inside,
which makes office if I'm better, But I liked Joshin
as much better. I would have taken the risk on
Joshins certainly as soon as than the Chiefs. I felt
like the Chiefs and really, like I.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Said, the Buffalo builds with Harrison Campbell for the Eagles
and Simmons for the Chiefs. That's a rare bottom of
the first round picks.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
To me, Yeah, I love the I mean, I'm a
Charger guy as well as you know Amary and Hampton.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I just love right.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I mean, the Chargers have gone through running back after
running back because of injury last year. But you have
to get one that fits this system, and it's a
power running system, and he's a powerful, six foot two
twenty back in terms of like Harball one oh one
and Greg Roman one on one.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I think Hampton fits that. I really like that pick,
do you.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I do too. I got a chance to meet him too.
And you're gonna love him as a kid too. That's
all great thing like, this is a tough kid, really
good running back, has body, bounced control, catches the ball
well out of the back, so he does it all
in agrees. Last year they tried to put toute it
with a bunch of Ravens that are always hurt when
they were at the Ravens. So I think that's something
they needed to kind of say, hey, look we've got
running back number one. I think it's a huge pick
for them. I think it was really critically important for
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them to have that person around justin to allow just
to have that running game. I think he's been dying for.
I think it's I think it's a great pick, and
I don't mind taking running back the first round. I
think it's great to take running back in the first round.
You get him for five years plus and they're an
instant impact. There. You're talking about a guy that have
fifteen hundred yards for your football team and his rookie year,
and not a lot of players you can say you're
gonna have that kind of an impact in the rookie season.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Browns and Bears have two picks, both early in the
second round. If you're in either of those front offices,
what do you think who's who's the one or two
guys we should most pay attention to early in the
second round.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I think Jayden
Higgins is a guy wide receiver. I think he's going
to be coming off the board. It depends on where
you are with Luther Burden and his character. If you're
good with that, he's going to peel off the board
really quick. If if he keeps dropping, that means that
there's a problem that that you know, that's what's having
him drop. And I think they'll have to get running
back to you know, guys that are very interesting to meet.
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So I'm looking at you know, wide receiver and running
backs at Ohio States could be an early run. You know,
times effected. You know, everybody's thinking about Shador Sanders right now.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Mark, great stuff. Man, I wish you were here, but
said I know you're here in spirit. You've been watching
this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
We'll talk with you next week and get a complete recap.
Thanks for our guest.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (31:54):
Hey there Dan, What you got Bud?
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Doug?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The game today on this Friday is all right? I
got DIBs? Where we just blurt out our answer and
that's who we've got subject number one NFL teams that
you think shaudor Sanders will go to. Who do you
got DIBs on shoudor Sanders future employer?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I got DIBs on the Cleveland Browns. Browns, Well, they
got two picks early in the second round.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
They need a quarterback and they're not over extending themselves
by the Browns. He doesn't want to go to Cleveland,
and right now he doesn't have a choice.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Are the Saints?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Do they have a pick tonight?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They have the fortieth pick of the fortieth pick, which
is behind both of the Browns picks.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But the Bears have too, and they could probably trade
up to, you know, to move up.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
I got DIBs on the Saints.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Let's go off the board.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
I got dims on the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Dolphins, Yeah, the protection in case two it gets hurt? Sure, Actually,
can we change that a little protection for when Tua
gets hurting.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I got dims on the Raiders. I think maybe since
mine Gino you can see that. Yeah, I mean we
kind of had the Raiders floating around Shaduur's name before
the draft, So why not?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
All right? Question number two? What round do you think
should or will go in?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I got DIBs on the second round.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Second, I got DIBs on third. I have seen a
mock that has him in the third round.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
I got DIBs on not getting droughted. At all, because
that's that's exactly what I really hope for.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'll go somewhere in the middle. I got DIBs on
the fourth round.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Fourth round, all right, Saturday pick. Now, that would be
something that would not be would be there, that would
be humbling.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Did you see the memes last night of when Colorado
retired number two they met the second round?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's funny. I did see this.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I did see this. I I legendary does start with
an L.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I thought the two on his logo was for the
second round, but we're not not even sure about that.
Again from the draft last night? Favorite pick from last evening?
What was your favorite selection made last night?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I got DIBs on Matthew Golden.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I mean, just the it literally is the only thing
that Packer fans cared about is are you finally going
to take a wide receiver? And it did get to
the point you're like, they're just not taking a wide
receiver out of spite, they're just tired of everybody. I mean,
maybe they just took one so everybody stopped asking. But
that would be my favorite.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
I got DIBs on O'maran Hampton. I was excited that
that Harbaugh drafted a running back and then my good
friend Casey Shine, who's a football coach at Chapman University,
says overrated. Both Ohio State running backs are better, Oklahoma
State running back is better. ASU running back is better.
That's a reach for the first round. So he really
he really kind of watered my excitement there.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
He was popular. I think people thought he was going
to go to Denver, maybe at a number twenty overall.
I think that's when Denver picked. That did not happen.
Denver went defense instead, But I think it was I
like the pick, actually, I think, and I looked at
it from a fantasy football perspective. Mike Harmon and I
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do the I Want Your Flex Fantasy podcast and at
the end of the year we do a draft and
our producer Ian Roddy. We all know Ian here in
the building. I know the listener may not, but Ian
and our draft took Omary and Hampton in our top
sixty draft, and I actually think he will be a
high draft pick. He and Gen D. I think Jen
d will still go first on name value, but I
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think Hampton is shooting up boards just because he's on
a team that loves to run the football.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I got dibbs on Maxwell Hairston out of Kentucky going
to the Bills, only because I loved his interview. I
thought he was very outspoken guy with a lot of personality,
very joyful. So he seems like a good locker room guy.
I'm gonna gonna really help the team there.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I will take the Seahawks pick of Gray Zabel that
needed to draft the lineman, interior lineman. I feel like
we drafted a thirty eight year old guy, like even
the way his name. He's got this mustache. He almost
looks thirty eight if there was a little bit of
gray in that mustache. But he's a great pick. A
lot of mocks had him to Seattle, so I was
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happy that he ended up lasting.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I saw that pick and I looked at the head
coach of the Seahawks and I couldn't place who it was.
And I just keep forgetting, I keep forgetting. What's the name?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Uh, Mike McDonald, Yes, Mike McDonald. Finally, what NBA playoff
series do you guys think is over?
Speaker 7 (36:50):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Oh, Cloba City, Memphis? I got DIBs. I mean, did
you guys watch that at all?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Memphis?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Had like seventy five at the half, they're up like already,
they're like seventy five and a half. You're like, I'm
going back to the draft click and then all of
a sudden you're looking at the ticker and you're like, wait, wait,
Okama says.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
The lead Yeah what that he well, Jahn Morant left
after taking a fall, and I made a tweet about
it that no one responded to. Literally, it doesn't have
any likes, that doesn't have any zero engagement, no one
responded to. But it was it was a wacky fall
because Lou Dork kind of slipped and then Jamarant left.
But yeah, it was over for the Grizzlies despite being
up twenty seven at the time of the Jamarant injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
We're live in Green Bay, Wisconsin, where the NFL Draft
will continue on a little bit later on tonight. Alright,
but what a night it was for Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Welcome into the crew. We got Dan Byer and Jason
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Stewart and Iowa Sam all back in Los Angeles. I'm
here in Green Bay at the Bar, which has hosted
has hosted both My show and Dan Patrick Show as well.
So look, let's get started. There's a lot to talk about.
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There was some NBA games last night. Crazy comeback by
the Oaklhom City Thunder, absolutely insane comeback.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
The Clippers dominate the.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Nuggets, the Knicks end up holding off the Pistons.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There is some NBA to discuss.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And yeah, the first round of the draft took place
in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and the Packers, for the first
time since two thousand and two, took a wide receiver
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But the.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Entire draft coverage has been taken over by one guy
who was not drafted, and I just I think it's
worthy of that being now only the lead. But that's
kind of the show because what happens is and this
has happened before, it'll probably happen again, is everybody takes
it to mean something it probably doesn't mean or doesn't
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mean in full scale. But the level of kind of
craziness with with how with how people react to.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It is really remarkable.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
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does does the TV narrative fit how America actually feels?
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And are we that easy to be manipulated to listen
to TV and make make the assumptions made on TV,
which by the way, are not not necessarily all in fact?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right, are we that easy to manipulate?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Like what's happening here is no different than what I
said has happened with the President, no different than what
I've said what's happened with Lebron James. Either you're all
in or you're out right. Because what you're hearing from
Lewis Riddick, what you're hearing from mel kiper Junior, what
you're hearing from Ryan Clark, what you're hearing from Joel
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Klatt is so based upon emotion and not based upon fact.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It just really is. You know, it truly is, because
there is it.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
There hasn't been one of those guys who've come out
and said, how could you? Lewis Reddick went on Dan Patrick,
he was on the ESPN broadcast last night. Lewis who
he hasn't been a GM, but he has been in
scouting in the.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Nation Football League.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He projected that Shador Sanders could have a Tom Brady
like career or a Drew Brees like career. Now, if
we're honest with ourselves, Tom Brady was a six round pick.
Drew Brees was a second round pick. So we act
like it's blasphemy. A guy doesn't get picked in the
first thirty two picks, it is not. It doesn't mean
you're not gonna be in the NFL. It means you're
not gonna be a first round draft pick in the NFL.
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And it's about fifty to fifty in terms of first
round draft pick quarterbacks. And I mean, look, we're gonna
watch the San Francisco forty nine ers. You have Brock
Purty sixty million dollars a year and he was mister irrelevant.
But the lack of actual football talk or lack of reality, like,
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who are these people saying that Shador Sanders is arrogant?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Wait? Wait, wait?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Does anybody not think Shador Sanders carries himself in a
manner that's not arrogant and entitled? Like, we're not making assumptions,
we're not taking unnamed sources. These are pretty easy things
to follow. And I don't think it's just one thing.
I don't think that Dion's's dad, or the threats of
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holding him out if he was picked by a team
they didn't want to be picked up. I don't think
that's the reason he falls. I don't think it's solely
because you know, of the ego and the active entitlement
or the flash flashing of the watch.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think those things don't help.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I also think something that hasn't been discussed is not
a bunch of teams need quarterbacks. They just don't go
through the teams and figure out who needs Because if
you're the Saints, and look, I don't think Derek Carr
is good enough to get to the playoffs with right.
The Raiders couldn't stand him. The Saints didn't really like
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him either, Right, But it's pretty obvious the Saints have
decided that we have a better shot of turning this
thing around with the money we have spent and then
using that draft pick towards a player. Then we do
drafting Shador Sanders, which means we have to start shoud
or Standers at some point this year, likely.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
After free agency.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You can count on one hand a team that doesn't
have a quarterback plan, right, Like, tell me the team
that's I can't believe the Packers. The Packers have a
bunch of money in Jordan Love. The Niners are gonna
put a bunch of money on Rock Purty. The Rams
have Matt Stafford. The Seahawks went and got Sam darm
like go through it, and again I don't like the
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Colts plan at quarterback in Anthony Richardson, but they're trying
to see a first round draft pick through and see
if he can turn it in year three after an
injury plagued year one.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Or year two. Hasn't been discussed.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
No one says, hey, you know, there's not a ton
of teams that currently need a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The next part to it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Is has anyone discussed the fact that he doesn't throw
the ball downfield? It gets passed over. We lead through
notes there's some questions about his arm strength. Remember they're
playing in altitude in Boulder, so your ball has more life,
and I'm sure there's.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Concerns about it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
The other part is people make the assumption that he's
an athletic quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
He's son of Dean Sanders, who's one of the greatest
football players ever, an incredible athlete. But there's two sets
of the gene pool and pretty obvious that some genes
are stronger than others, and those genes don't necessarily make
you fast.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And then you get to the big part of it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think actual football talent is huge, but if we
go back to when Josh Rosen was drafted. Remember, Josh
Rosen was projected early on to be the number one
pick and he slid to ten. Started half of one
year with the Cardinals, then was released. They signed Kyler
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Murray draft him number one overall the next year. But
the stories behind Josh Rosen were this. This is an
actual GM told me this. He said, I went to
his high school, Saint John Bosco. I went to UCLA,
and there wasn't anyone we brought in that we interviewed
that said, you know who the best guy I ever
played with was?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You know who my dog is? You know what? Boys?
You know who's got my back? Josh Rosen. Did they
respect his talent? Yeah? Is he a bright dude? Yeah?
Does he bother?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And I'm sure Shador is the same way like Schnor
is probably a great dude to be around. But in
terms of do you want to go to war with
this dude? Is he always going to have his back?
Shador standards strikes me as a younger, unproven version of
Lebron James, where when things go wrong, everybody around Lebron
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points to somebody else. Don't believe me it happened last
week right where his agent said, Hey, it wasn't really
a big three in Miami. Chris Bosh wasn't a big three?
What does that mean? That's when we lost. Chris Bosh
was the problem. Remember these guys who scout in the NFL,
they don't miss anything. It's their job not to miss anything.
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And when Colorado played in Nebraska early this year and
Shadoor Sanders was removed from the game mostly because he
was taking a beating because his offensive line, by their estimation,
wasn't doing a good enough job. And then the blame
of last year and even some of the blame of
the losses this year fell on other people other than
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It tells you all you need to know.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But again, like guys, you're watching these broadcasts and full disclosure,
I watched the first pick.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It was an unbelievable scene.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And then I watched some of the other picks from
the Legacy Hotel and the bar up on the sixth floor,
and then I went home to watch the Packers pick.
There's just a sea of humanity there and I needed
a little bit of a break, right, But the whole
draft has been taken over by why didn't Shador Sanders
get drafted and these false reasons why it's about his dad,
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it's about the color skin, it's about the nil than
the Lamborghini and the watch, like, yeah, that plays a part,
but the fact is that he's not viewed as that
great a prospect And it doesn't even matter how good
a prospect you are if you're not a guy that
people can get behind. It lead and nothing about his
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presentation up until last night, and even last night you're like,
how could you possibly think Shadoor Sanders could be viewed
as arrogant entitled?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Then they flashed at Shadoor Sanders house and he's.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Got legendary or whatever it was everywhere, Like he's not
exactly doing his due diligence to eliminate that as as
an overall narrative of who he is. Bayer, do you
think it's a crime against humanity that Shador Sanders was
not drafted in the first round last night?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
No, not at all. And I think it's it's a
long tail in the NFL of everything is included with everything,
and that you know, we've talked about this with a
variety of different players. When it comes down to it.
Not trying to be vague in this whole thing, but
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it's just you are what you are. And if there
are concerns, say there are motivational concerns, or they feel
that he's too cocky or too arrogant, or whatever the
case is, if his play was to the level that
it needed to be, that wouldn't matter. A team would
take him. And I just I if that plays it
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roll in it, which I think that it does, the
arrogance portion of it. It's because the level of his play,
which is the point I think that you're getting to
and have laid out, isn't there. And so now if
anybody's sitting on the fence of shore Sanders, I think
that then they would probably side to the or lean
to the side of Okay, we're just not going to
have that around here. It's just not our thing. And
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I think everything matters through this thing. It's why you
get asked the dumb questions through these you know, through
this process. You know what's your you know, what would
you know if you were an animal, what would you be?
All of those things. Everything matters in all of this,
and so I think with shud or Sanders, everything matters,
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and I feel that for some reason, when people look
at him, they're not taking everything into accounts.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, yes, I want I agree with you. All those
little little things become big things. I little things become
big things. And I understand that people say, because the
reality of Dion Sanders is if he's a crazy parent,
Like get in line. They're all crazy parents and they
just are. You know, Lebron James perfect example of it.
(12:40):
You know, people question his son's validity in the NBA
and so you know he had cost stephen A. You know,
in the middle of a Laker game, he tweets at
me for no reason at all. Right, all my my
high school coach became a great junior college coach, and
he tells me all the time, like, hey, just remember
when you talk to the parents, they're blinded by.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Love and everyone is.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Anyone who's ever been in love knows what it's like
to be blinded by love. Imagine if that's your son, right,
Imagine if that's your son. So the fact that that
Dion truly believes his son is one of the two
best players in America is not surprising to anybody who's
ever coached youth sports ever before. It doesn't matter how
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talented the dad is or how little the dad knows.
How much the dad knows, they love their kids and
they think of their kids on a greater level than
anybody else. The difference is the difference is that Dion
has the reality show. The difference is he's a had
football coach. The differences Dion is on TV all the
time and whatever. And you know the idea of having
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a guy that you have to look over your shoulder,
whether or not he wants to coach with my team,
whether he thinks he knows better. I just I think
it all does matter. Is Dion the reason that he
wasn't draft the first round? No but a little bit?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Is the holding up the watch to celebrate the reason
that he was and drafted No but a little bit. Look,
the biggest thing is I think most people are like,
he's not that good.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He's just not. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And if there's one lesson that GMS have learned is
don't reach for a need at quarterback, especially in the
first round. If you do, you have to play that guy.
And if you play that guy and he stinks, you
are going to get fired.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Period. Stop. If you draft a wide receiver and he stinks.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You can survive. If you draft a left tackle and
he stinks, you can survive. If you draft a quarterback
and he can't play at that level, or he's not
a leader, or he's whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It doesn't you are getting fired because you have to
play that guy.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And if you don't play that guy, then he's got
a ball cap in he's setting in signals and you're like,
oh right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Look, it happened to Steve Kaime.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Steve Kime draft Josh Rosen does work, gets rid of
Josh Rosen drafts, drafts to Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray's pretty good, right,
They still fire her. Now there's other stuff that goes
into a winner, but still fire. If you draft a
quarterback in the first round that can't play, you're gonna
get fired, period.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Stop. So you better know for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And and if you think that leadership and if you
think that arrogance works, if you think that you can
have that, I give you Jay Cutler. Jake Culer is
the perfect example. He was hated by his Bears teammates,
hated they put him in a different locker room than
his teammates. Jay Cutler had all the talent in the world.
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He's super bright, he had a great arm, and yet
he couldn't stay as a starting quarterback long in the NFL,
and he could never be a backup because people didn't
like him. And just like life is a popularity contest,
so is the NFL. You gotta be a guy that
everybody likes. It actually is no different than being a
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head coach. We talked about this with Eric Bieneby. When
you start to be polarizing in a position where you
gotta be liked, not not only like, loved by everybody,
it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work unless you're
so talented. Even then, it doesn't work. It really doesn't.
And I would love to say Shador is gonna be
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humbled by not being drafted, But when you have all
these people on TV acting like these thirty two teams
are all idiots for not drafting him, that doesn't humble people.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
Welcome, It's Doug Gottlieb Show Live from the Bar here
in Rainy green Bay, Wisconsin. It is interesting, right, everybody's
concern was over the weather, and if you go back
to you know, the draft is yesterday. Wednesday afternoon was like,
oh my gosh, the weather's gonna be unbelievable. And then
yesterday it was cold and crisp, but it didn't seem
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to matter because everybody was hammered over watching the draft
at Lambeau today. Guys, it it's been soggy all day.
I'm not gonna lie to you. Not exactly. A Chamber
of commerce grabbed the stick s date. Now it's supposed
to clear up right before the draft, so's it should
be interesting what the weather's like. I think the tornado
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will still be great, but a fascinating night to watch
the Green Bay community come and get behind this thing.
And then I don't know, watching Mark Murphy being up
there for his final draft and he's considered the man
responsible for bringing the draft to Green Bay and then
having him read on the card first time since two
thousand and two, the Packers draft wide receiver. I thought
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that kind of made the night. After that, no one
knows what happened because nobody, nobody cares. All anybody who
seemed to care about was cam Ward going one who
went twenty third? And then I guess apparently Shadoor Sanders
not getting not getting drafted. That that that's the night
in a in a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
The part that I found most disingenuous was did did
you guys see Ryan Clark's post earlier today Dan Bayer?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Did you did you listen to his?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, you know, he went down the typical Ryan Clark
rabbit hole, uh in regards to Shador Sanders and how
he's being evaluated and maybe held in his mind accountable
because of the color of his skin. I know this
is a shocker, but Ryan Clark believes that one of
the reasons shad Or Sander wasn't drafted was because he's black,
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which is hysterical considering the number one overall pick is
a quarterback who just so happens to be black as well.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
In a cam word, right, does like does anyone else
feel that?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And he acts like this is the first quarterback to
have his personality and game picked apart, like we made
a big deal about Baker Mayfield grabbing his junk before
they played Kansas. Right, people accurately predicted that Josh Rosen
wouldn't last in the NFL because of his personality, right,
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So I do not really, I don't really understand why.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I guess I do. It's worked for him. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
If playing the race card has taken Ryan Clark from
being a tremendous football player to being a good analyst,
and now play the race card in the last five
years and you're on inside the NFL and you're on
everything across the board, I guess you keep playing that
race card. I just don't understand how that fits this narrative.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
It was interesting too, because he'd be calling out his
former team. I did see a clip where he was emotional,
not emotional, but just when the Steelers did not pick
Shoud or Sanders, he had a different reaction to that pick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, let's welcome in a guy who's actually made
these selections before. It's Mark Dominic He's joined us throughout
the year. He's former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers.
He joined the on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Mark, first, thoughts that come to your mind
on last night's first round of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, I think by the lack of moves shows you
how this draft class maybe wasn't as sexy as some
people thought. I think there's a lot of good talent here,
but I thought that. I think the big thing I
took away from it is I was just about as
excited with the last picks in the draft as I
was with the first picks in the draft, meaning the
Josh simm and what we saw at the end of
the first round, to me, were just as exciting players
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some of the guys we saw at at the top
of the draft.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Cam Ward, what's your evol on him as a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I look, I like cam Ward. I think he has
some accuracy that he's going to continue to improve upon.
I do like his toughness. Is competitiveness absolutely show up
on tape, and you got to appreciate that. I understand
the Titans. Look, you've got to do something. You can't
go with Will Levis. He was clearly and I think
across the board everybody saw him as the best quarterback
in the draft class. And so you've got is it
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compared to last year's class. No, it's a different group
of guys, But you're dealt with whatever hand you get.
The year that you have the number one pick, and
so I like cam Ward. I may not be in
love with him where I feel like I'm that much
more confident than other players. But I also don't sit
there and say if he were picked last year and
he was picked instead of Michael Pennix, I'd be like, Okay,
I think cam Ward's got a shot. I think the
big thing for the Titans is the offensive line is right,
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and that's huge for cam Ward because I think they
did a good job begetting Dan Moore. They get to
move lay them over. I think that offensive line is
tremendously improved. They just got to get a tight end
for this quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
is our guest, of course, former general manager of the
tamp Bay Buccaneers. Mark, let me ask you, shardor Sanders
doesn't get drafted in the first round. If you had
to do the pie chart in two reasons, why what
are the slices and which slices are bigger than others?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
So I would say Number one. Something I think I
talked with you about was all the sacks he took
are a big concern for clubs, for coaches, for you know,
front offices. It's just it's hard to take a lot
of sacks. And sometimes when you take a sack because
you don't want to have an incompletion, that shows up
and you realize that when you break him down, that
that was real and you don't want him doing that
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at the next level. You know, he's got to be
able to, you know, move if it's second and eight,
it doesn't need to be third and twelve. It needs
to be third and eight and throw the ball away.
And that's something I think some people did and and
I think that's a big piece of that pie. But Doug,
I think you're also realizing that the thing that I
struggled with was Dion knows the business he ran, he
talks about to be the business, and yet they did
not run this process like a business. They ran it
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like entertainment. And I think they messed themselves up by
the way they handled the media, by the way they
handled you know, cameras following them around, By the way
that Dion would call him when he's doing zoom meetings
with NFL clubs or in meetings of NFL clubs, his
dad would call and say, let me see what you're talking
to show and turn the phone around, and they just
they didn't they didn't respect the process, I think, And
I think that hurt him too, And I think maybe
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there's a little bit of that that's part of the
I think sixty percent of the again, not taking not
you know, taking too many stacks, not throwing the ball away,
and the whole package what you're getting, I think, or
at least fifty percent of that pie.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's a real thing, right, that,
that's a real thing. Who is Dad? Is how he
handles it? You know what happens if you're not successful,
how that can become ugly. All that is, all that
is is all part of the whole package, is it not?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
It is? And people would be like, well you just
take them anyway, and well you've got to decide, but
you get one shot. Usually I got to draft a
quarterback in the first round. Some people have had more
luck than I have in terms of that, some people haven't.
You get one shot at a quarterback, and if you're wrong,
you're out right. That's usually the way it is, certainly
for head coach and generally for general managers. And I
think in the case it should do or you know,
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Hunter is a lot of the reason why he was
such a good player, And you've got to understand that
Travis Hunter is a big piece of that uz and
maybe it's not just a quarterback, but it might be
the guy that he's throwing the ball to. And I
think that that's what obviously the jacksonvill Jaguars self, and
so that's another piece of it all that you're looking
at the Hunter and what he was able to accomplish,
and it kind of takes away maybe a little bit
more of what should do or it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
What did you think of the Giants trading up to
draft Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I wasn't surprised. I've kind of got a sense that
they kind of like Jackson Dart in a couple of
weeks back, and that's where I've said I thought he
was going in the first round, and I think it
was good value for the Giants. You know, look, Jackson
didn't have his best year last year, but if you
just break down trade wise, there's a lot to like
and he's a better athlete than I think people probably
give him credit for. And I think that's going to
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be something that's going to show up a little bit.
So I think it's a risk that they had to do.
I didn't think they were going to go through the
season with James Winston as the starting quarterback or anything
like that. I think it's a risk reward. They both
know we're gonna have to we have to show big
growth next year to keep our jobs. I think everybody
understands that in the organization. And I like what the
Giants did. I love taking Abdul Carter. It's not a
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hard pick, but you know, and then obviously go get
the quarterback. I think the Giants are sneaky better than
people realize.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Now, why draft him in the first round? Why trade
up for the first round? I mean I have again,
yeah again this is and this is a layman and outsider.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've been told by so many people.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hey, as a player, it's not actually that bad to
get drafted in the second round because there is no
fifth year option. Is there any of that with the Giants?
Where yeah, maybe they wait and he falls to him
in the second round. Obviously you want to get ahead
of Cleveland because maybe Cleveland takes him. But is there
something to Hey, it's actually better off for the team
drafting him in the first round because you get that
fifth year option if you end up wanting.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
To keep him.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Yeah, I think that's part of it. And I think
the fifth year option is always a nice thing. We've
seen most quarterbacks, no matter what their dealers, get their
deal done after your three if they can actually play.
But it still gives you that leverage point and also
means that you don't have to play in this year.
You've still got an extra year that you're not feeling
the pressure of, like what do I have to do
with it. I think the reason why they went and
got him was I think they were worried about like
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Cleveland with two twos, you know, you know, the first
pick in the draft and also the thirty six pick
in this draft. That's an easy team that could go
do something real quick before the end of the first round,
and I think they were very scared of the Cleveland Browns.
I think that's why they went and made this move
to make sure that they were in position to be
able to get the quarterback they wanted instead of letting
Cleveland possibly sneak back into the first I think they
were competing against Cleveland to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Mark domins our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Mark was a former jail manager
of the Tampay Buccaneers. He joins us throughout the season
as he breaks down games and prospects, and now he's
helping us break down last night's first round of the
NFL Draft. Maybe the most surprising thing is the fact
that the Green Bay Packers did something they have not
done since two thousand and two, and they draft a
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wide receiver in Matthew Golden with the twenty third pick.
I went, you're sitting there watching in Tampa. You've been
in the league this long. What was your reaction when
they went with Golden at twenty three.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I truly wasn't surprised. I had a chance to be
around Matt Golden through the draft process. He's unbelievably smart.
He might be the best route runner in this draft
class in terms of pure route running. And I think
that you heard it, you know, from the horse's mouth.
They were looking for number one, and I know Romeo
Dobbs didn't take it well, Jayden Reed, got is heearted
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Don don Kavi, which wanted out of there. So when
they took Matt Golden, I was like, well, that they
want wide receiver one. They're still looking for it. They
feel like they got wide receiver two's up and down
the roster, but they don't have wide receiver one. And
I think again, they want to score points in Green Bay.
You got the two tight ends, You've got these receiving rooms,
you got Josh Jacobs. It's just more firepower. And I
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like where their roster is set. I think they'll go
back over to the defensive side in this next run
here for a little bit more, probably at the cornerback position.
But I like what they did because again they told us,
even though Jordan Loved said they're looking for wide receiver one.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Who is the pick in the first round? That left
you scratch your head the most.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Uh, In terms of that, I didn't love. I would
have probably, you know, for for I don't know if
it's tamp or not, but it's just you know, I
know that, you know they've got older receivers. I know
Chris Dodd, I wouldn't call hold, but uh, you know,
Buka was just a little surprise that Tampa went there
instead of maybe something on the defensive line or more
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passers or even on the offensive line. Didn't hate to say,
because I liked the player. I just thought the fit
was a little bit different and than what I expected
them to do. You know, maybe uh, you know, I
wasn't a time Josh Connolly juniors as maybe some other
people were. I like the idea of.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Moving you know, uh, you know, one of the guys inside.
I think that's gonna be important to them to be
able to do that. But Coleman, who I think played
really well out there, but I think they'll move him inside,
which makes office if I'm better, But I liked Joshin
as much better. I would have taken the risk on
Joshins certainly as soon as than the Chiefs. I felt
like the Chiefs and really, like I.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Said, the Buffalo builds with Harrison Campbell for the Eagles
and Simmons for the Chiefs. That's a rare bottom of
the first round picks.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
To me, Yeah, I love the I mean, I'm a
Charger guy as well as you know Amary and Hampton.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I just love right.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I mean, the Chargers have gone through running back after
running back because of injury last year. But you have
to get one that fits this system, and it's a
power running system, and he's a powerful, six foot two
twenty back in terms of like Harball one oh one
and Greg Roman one on one.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I think Hampton fits that. I really like that pick,
do you.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I do too. I got a chance to meet him too.
And you're gonna love him as a kid too. That's
all great thing like, this is a tough kid, really
good running back, has body, bounced control, catches the ball
well out of the back, so he does it all
in agrees. Last year they tried to put toute it
with a bunch of Ravens that are always hurt when
they were at the Ravens. So I think that's something
they needed to kind of say, hey, look we've got
running back number one. I think it's a huge pick
for them. I think it was really critically important for
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them to have that person around justin to allow just
to have that running game. I think he's been dying for.
I think it's I think it's a great pick, and
I don't mind taking running back the first round. I
think it's great to take running back in the first round.
You get him for five years plus and they're an
instant impact. There. You're talking about a guy that have
fifteen hundred yards for your football team and his rookie year,
and not a lot of players you can say you're
gonna have that kind of an impact in the rookie season.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Browns and Bears have two picks, both early in the
second round. If you're in either of those front offices,
what do you think who's who's the one or two
guys we should most pay attention to early in the
second round.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I think Jayden
Higgins is a guy wide receiver. I think he's going
to be coming off the board. It depends on where
you are with Luther Burden and his character. If you're
good with that, he's going to peel off the board
really quick. If if he keeps dropping, that means that
there's a problem that that you know, that's what's having
him drop. And I think they'll have to get running
back to you know, guys that are very interesting to meet.
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So I'm looking at you know, wide receiver and running
backs at Ohio States could be an early run. You know,
times effected. You know, everybody's thinking about Shador Sanders right now.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Mark, great stuff. Man, I wish you were here, but
said I know you're here in spirit. You've been watching
this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
We'll talk with you next week and get a complete recap.
Thanks for our guest.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
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Speaker 1 (31:24):
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Speaker 2 (31:45):
We play a game.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Hey there Dan, What you got Bud?
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Doug?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The game today on this Friday is all right? I
got DIBs? Where we just blurt out our answer and
that's who we've got subject number one NFL teams that
you think shaudor Sanders will go to. Who do you
got DIBs on shoudor Sanders future employer?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I got DIBs on the Cleveland Browns. Browns, Well, they
got two picks early in the second round.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
They need a quarterback and they're not over extending themselves
by the Browns. He doesn't want to go to Cleveland,
and right now he doesn't have a choice.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Are the Saints?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Do they have a pick tonight?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They have the fortieth pick of the fortieth pick, which
is behind both of the Browns picks.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But the Bears have too, and they could probably trade
up to, you know, to move up.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
I got DIBs on the Saints.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Let's go off the board.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
I got dims on the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Dolphins, Yeah, the protection in case two it gets hurt? Sure, Actually,
can we change that a little protection for when Tua
gets hurting.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I got dims on the Raiders. I think maybe since
mine Gino you can see that. Yeah, I mean we
kind of had the Raiders floating around Shaduur's name before
the draft, So why not?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
All right? Question number two? What round do you think
should or will go in?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I got DIBs on the second round.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Second, I got DIBs on third. I have seen a
mock that has him in the third round.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
I got DIBs on not getting droughted. At all, because
that's that's exactly what I really hope for.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'll go somewhere in the middle. I got DIBs on
the fourth round.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Fourth round, all right, Saturday pick. Now, that would be
something that would not be would be there, that would
be humbling.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Did you see the memes last night of when Colorado
retired number two they met the second round?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's funny. I did see this.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I did see this. I I legendary does start with
an L.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I thought the two on his logo was for the
second round, but we're not not even sure about that.
Again from the draft last night? Favorite pick from last evening?
What was your favorite selection made last night?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I got DIBs on Matthew Golden.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I mean, just the it literally is the only thing
that Packer fans cared about is are you finally going
to take a wide receiver? And it did get to
the point you're like, they're just not taking a wide
receiver out of spite, they're just tired of everybody. I mean,
maybe they just took one so everybody stopped asking. But
that would be my favorite.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
I got DIBs on O'maran Hampton. I was excited that
that Harbaugh drafted a running back and then my good
friend Casey Shine, who's a football coach at Chapman University,
says overrated. Both Ohio State running backs are better, Oklahoma
State running back is better. ASU running back is better.
That's a reach for the first round. So he really
he really kind of watered my excitement there.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
He was popular. I think people thought he was going
to go to Denver, maybe at a number twenty overall.
I think that's when Denver picked. That did not happen.
Denver went defense instead, But I think it was I
like the pick, actually, I think, and I looked at
it from a fantasy football perspective. Mike Harmon and I
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do the I Want Your Flex Fantasy podcast and at
the end of the year we do a draft and
our producer Ian Roddy. We all know Ian here in
the building. I know the listener may not, but Ian
and our draft took Omary and Hampton in our top
sixty draft, and I actually think he will be a
high draft pick. He and Gen D. I think Jen
d will still go first on name value, but I
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think Hampton is shooting up boards just because he's on
a team that loves to run the football.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I got dibbs on Maxwell Hairston out of Kentucky going
to the Bills, only because I loved his interview. I
thought he was very outspoken guy with a lot of personality,
very joyful. So he seems like a good locker room guy.
I'm gonna gonna really help the team there.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I will take the Seahawks pick of Gray Zabel that
needed to draft the lineman, interior lineman. I feel like
we drafted a thirty eight year old guy, like even
the way his name. He's got this mustache. He almost
looks thirty eight if there was a little bit of
gray in that mustache. But he's a great pick. A
lot of mocks had him to Seattle, so I was
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happy that he ended up lasting.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I saw that pick and I looked at the head
coach of the Seahawks and I couldn't place who it was.
And I just keep forgetting, I keep forgetting. What's the name?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Uh, Mike McDonald, Yes, Mike McDonald. Finally, what NBA playoff
series do you guys think is over?
Speaker 7 (36:50):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Oh, Cloba City, Memphis? I got DIBs. I mean, did
you guys watch that at all?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Memphis?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Had like seventy five at the half, they're up like already,
they're like seventy five and a half. You're like, I'm
going back to the draft click and then all of
a sudden you're looking at the ticker and you're like, wait, wait,
Okama says.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
The lead Yeah what that he well, Jahn Morant left
after taking a fall, and I made a tweet about
it that no one responded to. Literally, it doesn't have
any likes, that doesn't have any zero engagement, no one
responded to. But it was it was a wacky fall
because Lou Dork kind of slipped and then Jamarant left.
But yeah, it was over for the Grizzlies despite being
up twenty seven at the time of the Jamarant injury.
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And that's his game time Doug
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