June 13, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew react to Adam Silver's explanation for the NBA ratings being down. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to talk about the NBA Finals and all of the off-season storylines in the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio App. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in m mmmmmmmm. So,
I there's been a lot of discussion about the NBA
Finals and NBA ratings in general, and I don't know.
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I actually think when I've listened to our Fox Sports
Radio and Fox Sports One shows, there's been a wide
variance of it in terms of how it's been portrayed.
Raid uh. But I again, I actually think Adam Silver
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says a lot of interesting stuff. I don't know if
that stuff is substantive in terms of the state of
the NBA. Even if a lot of his stuff does,
like multiple things can be true. So I'm gonna play
for you what Adam Silver said, and then we're gonna
discuss it as we get ready for Game four NBA
Finals tonight in Indianapolis. Pacers up two games to one.
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Here was Adam Silver in an interview with ESPN. He's
asked about the NBA Finals ratings.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So we have two markets we've all been around for
the last week in Oklahoma City Indianapolis, that are completely
captured by the finals. I mean, every store you go to,
the signage, everyone look at this concourse here, everybody on
the streets is wearing the team colors. I mean, and
I think I've been doing this for a long time.
I don't remember being in two markets where it feels
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like so dominant to these games.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Then on, as a.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Media matter, it's interesting people compare us to twenty years ago.
But for these games one and two so far are
the highest rated programs in May and June so far
on television, and if something beats us, it'll be another
sports program. Back twenty years ago, we often didn't win
the night when the finals were on.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, So the argument is, basically, hey, here's the deal.
You guys are looking at today's ratings through a lens
of yesterday. And the point he's making is it's not
necessarily about what the number is. It's about winning the night.
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Because fewer and fewer people watch traditional TV, So the ratings,
especially in midweek, are going to reflect as much. Now, again,
does he make a case that I would agree with
in terms of if you've been to Oklahoma and obviously
most of you guys know I spent a ton of
time in Oklahoma. Yeah, the entire state is completely all windows, doors,
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street lights, whatever. Everything is Oklahoma City thunder And the
same is in Indiana. But you get that because you're
in smaller markets, right, So the idea that, Okay, maybe
it's better because they actually carry here. Look, if you
had in New York, it wouldn't be the same, but
there'd be way more people that cared to wait a
lot more same thing in Boston, bigger markets. The argument
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he's making about about ratings is an interesting one. He
also talked about how it's been kind of politicized in
terms of ratings, and I don't know if that's why
people watch Jay Stu. What are your thoughts on Silver's
comments on the ratings?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
All right, so I'm gonna throw this out here to
the three of you or maybe listeners. I want to
I want to know if streaming number are factored into
these little ratings. I have a feeling they are if
they're not by now, that's pretty nonsensical. So I want
to know that, and then as we effort that. I
think that him saying that the concourse here in Indianapolis
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is full, so it definitely speaks to how excited people
are that that was a complete nothing burn.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Him saying that it's tough to compare the ratings to
twenty years ago because we would go nights where we
wouldn't even win nights twenty years ago and we're winning
nights this time around. Okay, that's cool. That sounds like
a lot of word salad, and it sounds like and
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we just had an election season, so I'm just gonna
make this as a reference. This isn't a political stance.
During the election season, one side of the political aisle
wanted us to believe the crime was down and that
prices were down our day to day the eye test
told us different. So don't lie to us, Adam Silver.
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I wake up every morning and go through NBA content,
and I see how other shows stack their shows and
how they treat NBA Finals content. There just hasn't been
a whole lot of buzz. I don't think any of
the four of us could disagree with that. So it's
like you're telling me something that the ratings are actually
good and that your sport is being watched and as popular,
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but the eye test tells us differently.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I agree with a lot of that. I agree with
a lot of that. I would say, if we're going
to go politics, there were lies coming from both sides
which were blatantly and patently falls And it's like you said, well,
let's follow up. Did anybody follow up to see did
they actually not win nights when they were in the
NBA finals. I'm guessing he's talking about post Michael Jordan,
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not during the Michael Jordan era.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I do think go ahead, and to answer Jason's question
from the information that I've gathered, yes, streaming numbers are included. Yeah,
in those in those numbers.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Why do you guys think less a smaller percentage of
people watch the NBA than used to watch the NBA
as there's no there's no right or wrong answer, buyer,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
The NBA as a whole? Are we talking about the playoffs?
Because part of my reason why I think like regular
season ratings are down is because we make the playoffs
and the finals everything.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, well, but the finals numbers are playoff numbers are
not what they used to be there.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And I think that your point about the markets like
just of like, obviously, if the Lakers made it or
the Knicks made it, you're you're just you're going to
have a bigger number. That is. That is obvious.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And if the Lakers were in the NBA Finals, it
would be a gigantic thing in the city of Los Angeles, right. Yes,
maybe not as all encompassing as in Oklahoma City, but
the Lakers are kind of big in l a kind
of sort of so that that argument he makes, the
concourse argument the city arguments is is it's not worlds
where it's solid. It's like, yeah, okay, it's a red herring.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It already existed, correct, Yeah. I just think the product
as a whole. I just don't think that that people
are buying in. I think it's the season is extremely long.
I've told you that. I think that the NBA is tiresome,
it's draining, and it's funny. I had seen a clip
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on TikTok and I forgot who it was. But then
just in how we're like digesting this this finals and
digesting these games, not everything is an indictment on legacy.
And I've felt that same point as well, like if
you just take the game for what it is and
what it is, but it's either a legacy play or
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it's a no play, and I don't think I feel
that's good for the game. But I ultimately I just
think that following the NBA is exhausting.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Sam, Why do you think less people watch the NBA?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Thinking of four kind of reasons, And it's taught me
if any of them kind of don't make sense you.
But I do think that post mj that's the reason.
And that's like twenty five years of posts Michael Jordan,
the continuing rise of the NFL, even though it was huge.
Obviously it was huge back thirty years ago, but it's
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it's even bigger now. Somehow maybe rule changes making it
so that offenses just have more freedom and you can't,
you know, mug guys like you used to. And yeah,
maybe in politics maybe plays a role.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I don't really sense the political vibe this year so much,
or guys making you know, political statements or stands or gestures.
And there's a lot going on in the world, but
those are the four reasons NFL steal some attention post
MJ Maybe some rule changes, maybe some politics.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Okay, I think the politics thing is just confirmation bias.
I think if you didn't like the NBA, you don't
like those guys. I do think that there is an element.
I actually really agree with Dan on two different fronts. One,
we do make it all about the postseason. And then
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I think you combined with the fact that more regular
season games are on national TV now that have ever
been on before, and it's too much. The games don't matter,
Nobody focuses on them, and there's more there's more of
them on than ever, and it's just it just tiresome.
I do think that the inside the NBA and the
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old head the heads that cover it and talking about
how they don't like the new NBA or how it's played,
I don't think that helps. That's just that's not You
don't have to dot your eyes with hearts, but there
just isn't. That just isn't a good way to sell
the fringe on. You should watch, Hey, you should watch
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this thing, even though it used to be way better.
They shoot too many threes, They take games off right
like they just pointing out the bad parts is not
a good thing. It's not a good thing. And then
you know, I just think they lead themselves up for
criticism with so much of the drama and the trade
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demands and too many podcasts. Just like too much drama.
It's like, it's one thing if you have a season
that last what is it, like nine months? It plots? Okay,
it's one, let's say nine. It's one thing. If you
have a season that last nine months, it's something. You
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have a season that last nine months where guys are
making gargantua and contracts and nobody appears to be happy, right,
So so many of the current players don't appear to
be happy, the foreign player, the past players aren't happy
with the new players being unhappy or how they play,
And so fans are like, like, so I'm supposed to
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buy into this stuff. Yet yet kids love it. There's
still a huge number of basketball fans internationally. Of our
exports sports, I would say it's the most popular. I
don't think it's particularly close. And yet it's kind of
stalled out here and we're creeping up on the post
Lebron's Steph era and the league is going to really
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really struggle to find that next star, Super super Super
Superstar just just we had to wait how long after
Jordan retired before we got Lebron And look, Kobe was great,
but Kobe wasn't beloved. He just wasn't. He was really
hard to deal with for a really long time. He
didn't like his own teammates, his own coaches. Even when
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he won. He was hard for people love. And he's
more beloved now because the last two titles, but also
look because he kind of evolved as a human and
then he died way too early. But there was a
massive gap, a huge fall off when Jordan left the game.
And I think we're getting ready for one of those.
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And then you factor in that the NBA has just
lost a pr battle. I don't think it's a you know,
and I've kind of won jay Stu over with this thing.
I'd like it to baseball. It's way better than anybody's
perception of it is. The NBA is way better than
even the NFL playoffs and the NFL as Jay, I
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don't think it's as bad as Jay Stu makes it,
but the product oftentimes is not great. And yet he
watch why it's easy to gamble on why because it's
only on three days a week, whereas the NBA is
on all the time. People are always talking about it.
It's kind of heavy. No one ever appears to be happy.
People who played in it, cover it, coached it. Everybody
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bitches all the time, and at some point you're just like, yeah,
I'm kind of good and I as despite the fact
this is a super competitive series, it has zero buzz none.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
In a way, it's counterproductive because the people that aren't
gonna watch aren't gonna watch even if there are more games,
and then the people who are gonna watch aren't gonna
watch as much because there are more games.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Can I also say that do we consider the playing game?
The playing game is the start of the playoffs like
the playing games. The NBA doesn't, but I do, Okay,
So they started the playing games was April fifteenth. I
know we love the NBA playoffs and we kind of
put the spotlight on it more than the regular season,
but the playoffs are really long, two months to get
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halfway through the finals.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I've done the math on this. I said this on
the network. If this was an NFL schedule, the NBA
Playoffs would last from Week one to the beginning of
week eleven. In the NFL, it's more than half of
the regular season. If you were to like to spread
it out and be like, okay, this was week one
of the season, Week two, Week three, and the NBA
Draft two night a fair now starting in less than
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two weeks the twenty fifth. Then you have a free
agency in summer league after that, So you're in mid July,
still kind of talking about the NBA in training camps
start in September. Now that mid October is the start
of the season. So Doug, when you say nine months,
August is the only month that there isn't something NBA
related going on. I mean NBA Media Days happened on
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like September twentieth. It's like week two of the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's long, it's crazy, and you know, then summer basketball
is a thing. Last year was the Olympics as well. Yeah,
it's a lot. And then the off season, whatever the
off season is, there's so many trades and so much
player movement that I think it does feed into the
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narrative of unhappiness and it just constantly, constantly being a
part of the of what's going on in sports. And
people tire of it.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
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Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. We'll get
an update from Oakmont with Dan Byer in probably about
ten minutes or so. In the meantime, let's continue the
NBA discussion. Mark stein joins us longtime NBA writer and
insider publishes a substack called the Steinlin Mark. We were
talking about NBA ratings, and again full disclosure, I think
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the quality of play in the NBA playoffs share has
been really good. It's a bit of a narrative and
perception problem, not just with the market size obviously it's
going to be down, but just overall in the NBA.
What's your sense of why the sport that we both
love twenty five years ago was king of the world
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and now it's it's fighting a ratings decline.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Battle because it's not and people just want to make
it into a headline. It's like, yes, the ratings are
down dramatically from twenty five years, but if the NBA
Finals is the number one program on the night that
tells you everything in television is facing a massive ratings decline.
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And it's just, I know it's a fun topic. I
know it's a popular topic, and I know that the
NBA's zillions of critics love to seize upon ratings talk.
But like I just there are a few topics in
our sphere that just I couldn't have less interest in.
Because the other thing here is if ratings, if traditional
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ratings were a concern or an issue, how did the
NBA just set up an eleven year, seventy six billion
dollar deal with all these new partners that any league
except the NFL would love to have. The NFL is
the NFL and a separate entity, and nobody can touch
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the NFL. And you know, if you're going to compare
the NBA to the NFL, then yeah, it is way way, way,
way way.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
In the distance.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
But the ratings problem, it's it's it's for headlines and
top show debates. It doesn't really mean anything. And like again,
we thought, I thought, I thought Adam Silver made a
good point about this, I think at his press conference
before the finals. Like Netflix, everybody uses Netflix. How does
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that even factor into the ratings anymore. Like, it's just
it's such a different world than it was twenty five
years ago. If the NBA was having major trouble with
its media rights partners or its media rights deal was
going way down, you know, then we could say, okay,
ratings is a problem, and look, in eleven years, ratings
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might be a problem, because who knows what the landscape
will look like in eleven years.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
But I just.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
You said it, if you like basketball, why are you
not watching this series? Like if you if you like basketball,
you should be watching? Like who cares where the teams
are from?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
What do you think happened to the Thunder in the
fourth quarter Game three?
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I I think they just wilted against the Pacers pace, which,
on one hand, you say, wait a minute, the Thunder
are the youngest team in the league, they had two
full days.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Off, what is going on?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
But I think Mark Dagnolt, Now he didn't say it
as clear cut as you might have liked.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Him to say it to make.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
It easier for us to seize upon this, but he.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
Basically said something to the effect of the Pacers play
it different than any team in the league, and we're
not used to seeing it. He basically acknowledged that that
even three games into this series with all the press.
I mean, first of all, they they completely loaded up
on SGA with ball pressure and that was you know,
that took its toll in a way we really haven't
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seen him.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
And did they flipped the script?
Speaker 8 (19:41):
Really? Haliburton's the one who the Thunders defense has given
him just so many problems, not just in these finals,
but you know, historically the thunder have guarded him as
well as anyone, and the Pacers just changed their approach
and it really worked.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
And I was surprised.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
And that's what makes tonight so fascinating because this is
the shortest turnaround in the series. Now, I mean, this
is just a one night off thing. You know, well,
you know it'll be it'll be back to two days off,
two days off between the rest of the rest of
the games in the series because the league instituted the
extra day off when you have.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
To switch cities.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
But like OKC is facing a must win game tonight
on the shortest rest, it will have probably had an
these playoffs. So it's going to be really interesting to
see how they bounce back from it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I agree. I also, I think the adjustments are interesting.
I thought, I thought, you know, Shay looked inexperienced in
terms of championship closing things out where he took two
really bad fadeaways where they forced him probably a yard
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further out than he was really comfortable doing. And then
you know you have Dort and and Chet in the game,
and you know Dort only makes shots at home right,
and Chet can't make a shot, and so they didn't
guard Dort, so it's playing five on four with defense,
and Chet missed a gigantic three as well. I think,
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I don't know, it's it's hard when Aaron Wiggins gives
you such a great game Game two, it distorts your
your look at what they're going to look like moving forward.
But they gotta find ways to have more space for
Sga because they are, like you said, loading up on him.
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (21:32):
And look, you said something very important there. The experience
is a big factor because the thunder it is different
on the final stage than it is any other round
of the playoffs or any other basketball environment.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It just it just is.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
And Okay, now we're four games into it, they need
to be more used to it. But the reality is
the thunder came into this series with Caruso is their
only real rotation player who has been to the finals,
and that was the Bubble and this now it's not
like the Pacers have tons of finals experience because Tiakam
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is really their only rotation player.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Who's been on the stage.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
But you know who has been on the stage, Rick
Carlisle and Mark Dagnold hasn't. And I think the game
that Carlisle coached in Game three will go down as
one of one of his masterpieces. Now, they probably need
to win the series to make it endure. But this
is a Thunder team that went twenty nine to one
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against the East, the one and two in the East
in this series. I mean, it's like for the Pacers.
I think the Pacers have led this series for ten
percent of the minutes and they have a two to
one lead.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I mean, it is that's insane.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
It's but it's happened. And that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Mark Stein. All right, let's get to some
of the off the court. Blaver, what are you hearing
on Yannis.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Look, there's really nothing happening with Yannis until the Bucks
have always operated that we are not We won't even
entertain the notion of trading Yanis unless he asks us.
And Yana Santeta Koupa, by all accounts to this point
of the offseason, has not asked for a trade. He
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has not asked to be moved. And so all these
teams that we're hoping and honestly lusting for the chance
to make a trade offer for Jana Santetakoupo, they've started
to look at other things and are somewhat resigned. I
wouldn't say all the way resigned, because it's still early
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in the summer, but they're looking at other things. I mean,
you don't hear the Yannis chatter like.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
We did right after the season ended.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
But the Bucks haven't played a game since April twenty ninth.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I mean we're in mid June now.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
So to this point, the Bucks appear to still have
Yiannis's support and desire to be there, which is which
is what they want. They you know, now, the Bucks
are to keep it and to make sure nothing changes.
The Bucks are trying to sell him on this idea
that just give us a year to fix the roster.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Fix the books.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Basically reorient ourselves and by twenty twenty six, twenty seven, we'll.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Be ready to compete again.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
You know, is Yani's going to be okay with that?
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Because the I mean, it just.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Blows my mind every time somebody brings it up. Yan
is thirty, Janice is thirty. He's been in the league
twelve years.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Like that, that's crazy. It goes fast man, Okay, then Durant,
that feels like something's going to happen. Yes, yes, most
likely destinations.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
It's too soon to give you destinations. I mean, look,
is he Momentum is certainly building toward a trade. The
Suns are operating like they want to have this done
by the draft, which is June twenty fifth. What's interesting
here is Kevin Durant is basically entering the final year
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of his contract fifty five million. In February, all the
talk was, whoever trades for Durant, it'll be just like
Jimmy Butler in Golden State. He'll get it to year extension.
That talk has changed to where you now hear about
teams like Toronto that might be willing to just trade
for KD with no assurance they could keep him so
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basically roll the dice that the one year they have
him will go well and he'll like it, but not
with the promise of an extension on top of the trade,
and so.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Well, we're going to have to see.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
If you know, it's pretty common knowledge that you know,
the houstudents, the San Antonio's, those are the presumed desired
destination if it's up to KD. But are the Sons
just going to trade him to the team that makes
the best offer and not worry about what KD wants here?
And you know that's an answer we're still waiting on.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Okay, what are the Lakers going to do?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
The Lakers, they don't have the They just don't have flexibility.
I mean, the reality is Lebron James is almost certainly
going to opt into his contracts and so that you know,
they have in the short term, have very limited optionality.
You know, teams will try to convince them to part
with Austin Reeves. I don't think they want to. So
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can they manufacture everybody knows they need a frontline center,
they need a rim running center. Can they manufacture a
trade to get one without having to involve Austin Reeves?
Not an easy assignment, but you know, the player option
if longs to Lebron. So I don't see Lebron walking
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away from a player option in excess of fifty million.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
I think he won.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
I really struggled to imagine him playing anywhere besides LA
at this point.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
So to challenging summer for the Lakers for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Okay, Celtics, what do they do?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
It's interesting because the assumption now is that the Celtics
are you know, everyone knows they need to shed payroll
to reduce their luxury tax bill. But you know, they
also won championships with these guys, so it's not that
easy for them emotionally to just discard a Christops for
Zingis or traded Drew Holliday. But also you know, finding
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the right trades financially.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
I mean, the expectation is that.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
They're you know, they're going to trade at least one
of those players. But and Porzingis would be easier theoretically
because he's on an expiring whereas Drew Holliday has three.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Years left on his deal.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
But it's another one where yeah, I mean, like there's
there's a lot of talk about the Celtics, but we're
gonna need more time to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It is the Doug Gottliebe Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
You know, Cooper Cooper Flags can be the number one
overall pick. Is there any chance that anybody makes that
trades with Dallas or that Dallas trade.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
No, no, no, no chance Cooper Flag will be a Maverick.
He's actually coming to town next Tuesday for his first
visit with the franchise. I mean, this is the you know,
after three months of fan dismay, unlike any I've ever
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seen in the NBA. I mean, this is a reprieve
of you know, I don't even have the words for it.
I mean, fans to win the number one pick. Also,
when you factor in the Mavericks just terrible history in
the draft lottery of never moving up, the excitement already locally,
the business rebound that the Mavericks have enjoyed just by
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winning the lottery, There is no way they trade him.
Cooper Flag will be He will be in Dallas on Tuesday,
and eight days later he will be officially a Maverick.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Listen, I know you don't do predictions and picks, and
neither do I, but this series is like you said
ten percent of the game roughly right. It was zero
point three seconds in Game one, and you know they
don't really lead until late in the fourth quarter in
Game three that they've led. I assume you came in
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the series thinking that Thunder would win the series. I did.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
I did make a pick. I picked Thunder in six
and I did sit. You know, most people I think
said five. I said six because I had that much
respect for Indiana. But I just wonder, now, like I said,
the circumstances going into tonight, like the Thunder, this is
a must win game for the Thunder. The rest situation
(30:14):
is working against them.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
They've completely gone away from the two.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Bigs, and I don't know that that's serving them well.
So are we need to see dag Nault go back
to Hartenstein and Holme Grin as a duo and see
Obviously you know why he's afraid to do it, because
the Facers play so fast and small as it is.
But I just you have to wonder, did the Pacers
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if they find something in game three that can that
they can replicate. I mean, I mean, imagine, just imagine
them winning tonight and going up three one. I mean,
is it is one of the Cinderella runs of.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
NBA history to this point.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
I mean, it's just.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Nobody coming into the season, said the Indiana Pacers could
win the championship.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I mean nobody can, Nobody going, Nobody going in the
playoffs said that.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
Yeah. I mean it's it's it's just so.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Mark Stein longtime NBA reporter insider. He publishes a substack.
It's called the Steinlein. I implore you, I implore you
to read it. Mark, great stuff. Thanks thanks so much
for joining us.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
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I've been teasing this for two hours, mostly because I
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Speaker 3 (32:46):
I don't know who's going to win, but I know
there won't be a repeat winner at Oakmont for the
US Open when it comes to the player that previously
won the US Open at Oakmont, Dustin Johnson. Plus ten
on the raw side of the cut line, which currently
sits at seven over par. That's going to be kind
of where we're going to toggle. Scotty Scheffler going to
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make the weekend at plus four, John Rahm at plus
four as well. So's Colin Morikawa. Brooks Keepka was in
contention after day one. Still is is at plus two
after a seventy four today, justin Thomas, he's on the
wrong side of it. He's at plus twelve. He is
not going to make the cut back to back. Seventy
six is but your leader right now. JJ Spawn remains
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atop of the leader board at four under par. Sam
Burns is the story of the day. A round of
sixty five. He's now at three under only Lauren Roberts,
who shot sixty four and nineteen ninety four, and Johnny
Miller's infamous sixty three and seventy three in the final
round were the two lowest rounds lower than what Sam
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Burns shot today at Oakmont for a US Open.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Okay, here's the question. More likely that Spawn finishes, he
wins it, or he's outside of the top ten.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Outside of the top ten.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Agreed, really interesting to see my podcast yesterday. I agree
you didn't hear my podcast yesterday. But what I said
was the guy who leads the relative unknown, that leads
a major after the first day or two is like
the guy who the first character you see in a
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horror movie they never survive.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, and he got a head start by getting that
four under par round of sixty six. Today, he currently
has the lead by himself at four under par. He
lost the players in a playoff with Rory McIlroy. However,
I just think that at some point you're gonna pull
back and maybe today's the day that he shoots seventy.
(34:48):
But there's gonna be a seventy two, there's gonna be
a seventy four, and will others may not shoot sixty five,
like Sam Burns, I think they're gonna have their opportunity.
I will say this though, to to at least being
in the top ten, he would have to drop six
shots off of his pace right now, because plus one
gets you in the top ten. But yeah, I still
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think it's I think it's going to be a tough
weekend for him, the likes of a Victor Hovelind Holland's
is at shot sixty eight today, but like if anybody
were to shoot sixty five on this course, I thought
it was Hobland. But at times he could go and
shoot seventy nine as well. Sure, but it'll make it,
it'll make it interesting. Jordan Speith is at plus five.
(35:30):
He's going to make the weekend. But right now that
cut line we're watching with Rory McElroy and Ludvig Goldberg
currently at seven over par pricing to Shamba just got
out to five under par. Rory just bogied, so he's
back to plus eight. But some of the names Phil
Mickelson right now at plus five, so he would play
the weekend if things continue. Indiana a fever guard. Caitlin
Clark's going to return from her quad strain and play
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against the New York Liberty on Saturday. Fever went two
and three in the five games she missed because of
that injury.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, two and three. We don't have to do the
first take segment of whether or not the fever better
without Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do we have time for the Josh Hart Jalen Brunson.
I don't have the audio in front of me, Sam
does Do we have the Knicks stars talking about their
former the first time? Yeah? All right.
Speaker 10 (36:18):
The team, the organization obviously has changed obviously with with
Tis being gone. And first, you know, we want to
give a shout out to Tis Man, you know, especially
you know, for myself, he helped, you know, make me
into the player I am. I had a lot of
instability and the you know, early part of my career,
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and he kind of gave me that stability and that
opportunity to flourish, as you know, a player in the league,
a starter in the league. So I'm always gonna be
forever great perform.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I praise for his now former coach.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, I mean they obviously liked him, and this feels
like one that was done by the own owner and
doesn't mean they won't play for another coach. But man,
you got to get that thing right.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I don't think he needed a preference and that he
was going to give him a shout out. I think
all the nice things that he said afterwards, shout we're
sufficient enough. I don't know what we need to like
I'm about to thank you like that's I don't think
that we, uh we needed that. The Indianapolis Colts will
induct late owner Jim Ersay into the team's Ring of
Honor prior to their Week one UH season opener. I
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don't know what the Colt's ring of honor is. I
know the organization going through tough times, but they're going
to uh put him on the ring of honor as
he rightly deserves. And Doug that is the press.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
Get out there and pressed that was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I do wonder if they'll put it right next to
that wild card appearance banner that.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
They took it down, Dog, they took it down.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I know who wins Tonight Buyer, the Thunder. I think
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Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio App. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in m mmmmmmmm. So,
I there's been a lot of discussion about the NBA
Finals and NBA ratings in general, and I don't know.
(00:47):
I actually think when I've listened to our Fox Sports
Radio and Fox Sports One shows, there's been a wide
variance of it in terms of how it's been portrayed.
Raid uh. But I again, I actually think Adam Silver
(01:08):
says a lot of interesting stuff. I don't know if
that stuff is substantive in terms of the state of
the NBA. Even if a lot of his stuff does,
like multiple things can be true. So I'm gonna play
for you what Adam Silver said, and then we're gonna
discuss it as we get ready for Game four NBA
Finals tonight in Indianapolis. Pacers up two games to one.
(01:32):
Here was Adam Silver in an interview with ESPN. He's
asked about the NBA Finals ratings.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So we have two markets we've all been around for
the last week in Oklahoma City Indianapolis, that are completely
captured by the finals. I mean, every store you go to,
the signage, everyone look at this concourse here, everybody on
the streets is wearing the team colors. I mean, and
I think I've been doing this for a long time.
I don't remember being in two markets where it feels
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like so dominant to these games.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Then on, as a.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Media matter, it's interesting people compare us to twenty years ago.
But for these games one and two so far are
the highest rated programs in May and June so far
on television, and if something beats us, it'll be another
sports program. Back twenty years ago, we often didn't win
the night when the finals were on.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, So the argument is, basically, hey, here's the deal.
You guys are looking at today's ratings through a lens
of yesterday. And the point he's making is it's not
necessarily about what the number is. It's about winning the night.
(02:45):
Because fewer and fewer people watch traditional TV, So the ratings,
especially in midweek, are going to reflect as much. Now, again,
does he make a case that I would agree with
in terms of if you've been to Oklahoma and obviously
most of you guys know I spent a ton of
time in Oklahoma. Yeah, the entire state is completely all windows, doors,
(03:09):
street lights, whatever. Everything is Oklahoma City thunder And the
same is in Indiana. But you get that because you're
in smaller markets, right, So the idea that, Okay, maybe
it's better because they actually carry here. Look, if you
had in New York, it wouldn't be the same, but
there'd be way more people that cared to wait a
lot more same thing in Boston, bigger markets. The argument
(03:32):
he's making about about ratings is an interesting one. He
also talked about how it's been kind of politicized in
terms of ratings, and I don't know if that's why
people watch Jay Stu. What are your thoughts on Silver's
comments on the ratings?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
All right, so I'm gonna throw this out here to
the three of you or maybe listeners. I want to
I want to know if streaming number are factored into
these little ratings. I have a feeling they are if
they're not by now, that's pretty nonsensical. So I want
to know that, and then as we effort that. I
think that him saying that the concourse here in Indianapolis
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is full, so it definitely speaks to how excited people
are that that was a complete nothing burn.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Him saying that it's tough to compare the ratings to
twenty years ago because we would go nights where we
wouldn't even win nights twenty years ago and we're winning
nights this time around. Okay, that's cool. That sounds like
a lot of word salad, and it sounds like and
(04:44):
we just had an election season, so I'm just gonna
make this as a reference. This isn't a political stance.
During the election season, one side of the political aisle
wanted us to believe the crime was down and that
prices were down our day to day the eye test
told us different. So don't lie to us, Adam Silver.
(05:05):
I wake up every morning and go through NBA content,
and I see how other shows stack their shows and
how they treat NBA Finals content. There just hasn't been
a whole lot of buzz. I don't think any of
the four of us could disagree with that. So it's
like you're telling me something that the ratings are actually
good and that your sport is being watched and as popular,
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but the eye test tells us differently.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I agree with a lot of that. I agree with
a lot of that. I would say, if we're going
to go politics, there were lies coming from both sides
which were blatantly and patently falls And it's like you said, well,
let's follow up. Did anybody follow up to see did
they actually not win nights when they were in the
NBA finals. I'm guessing he's talking about post Michael Jordan,
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not during the Michael Jordan era.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I do think go ahead, and to answer Jason's question
from the information that I've gathered, yes, streaming numbers are included. Yeah,
in those in those numbers.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Why do you guys think less a smaller percentage of
people watch the NBA than used to watch the NBA
as there's no there's no right or wrong answer, buyer,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
The NBA as a whole? Are we talking about the playoffs?
Because part of my reason why I think like regular
season ratings are down is because we make the playoffs
and the finals everything.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, well, but the finals numbers are playoff numbers are
not what they used to be there.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And I think that your point about the markets like
just of like, obviously, if the Lakers made it or
the Knicks made it, you're you're just you're going to
have a bigger number. That is. That is obvious.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And if the Lakers were in the NBA Finals, it
would be a gigantic thing in the city of Los Angeles, right. Yes,
maybe not as all encompassing as in Oklahoma City, but
the Lakers are kind of big in l a kind
of sort of so that that argument he makes, the
concourse argument the city arguments is is it's not worlds
where it's solid. It's like, yeah, okay, it's a red herring.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It already existed, correct, Yeah. I just think the product
as a whole. I just don't think that that people
are buying in. I think it's the season is extremely long.
I've told you that. I think that the NBA is tiresome,
it's draining, and it's funny. I had seen a clip
(07:46):
on TikTok and I forgot who it was. But then
just in how we're like digesting this this finals and
digesting these games, not everything is an indictment on legacy.
And I've felt that same point as well, like if
you just take the game for what it is and
what it is, but it's either a legacy play or
(08:07):
it's a no play, and I don't think I feel
that's good for the game. But I ultimately I just
think that following the NBA is exhausting.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Sam, Why do you think less people watch the NBA?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Thinking of four kind of reasons, And it's taught me
if any of them kind of don't make sense you.
But I do think that post mj that's the reason.
And that's like twenty five years of posts Michael Jordan,
the continuing rise of the NFL, even though it was huge.
Obviously it was huge back thirty years ago, but it's
(08:41):
it's even bigger now. Somehow maybe rule changes making it
so that offenses just have more freedom and you can't,
you know, mug guys like you used to. And yeah,
maybe in politics maybe plays a role.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I don't really sense the political vibe this year so much,
or guys making you know, political statements or stands or gestures.
And there's a lot going on in the world, but
those are the four reasons NFL steal some attention post
MJ Maybe some rule changes, maybe some politics.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Okay, I think the politics thing is just confirmation bias.
I think if you didn't like the NBA, you don't
like those guys. I do think that there is an element.
I actually really agree with Dan on two different fronts. One,
we do make it all about the postseason. And then
(09:37):
I think you combined with the fact that more regular
season games are on national TV now that have ever
been on before, and it's too much. The games don't matter,
Nobody focuses on them, and there's more there's more of
them on than ever, and it's just it just tiresome.
I do think that the inside the NBA and the
(09:58):
old head the heads that cover it and talking about
how they don't like the new NBA or how it's played,
I don't think that helps. That's just that's not You
don't have to dot your eyes with hearts, but there
just isn't. That just isn't a good way to sell
the fringe on. You should watch, Hey, you should watch
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this thing, even though it used to be way better.
They shoot too many threes, They take games off right
like they just pointing out the bad parts is not
a good thing. It's not a good thing. And then
you know, I just think they lead themselves up for
criticism with so much of the drama and the trade
(10:41):
demands and too many podcasts. Just like too much drama.
It's like, it's one thing if you have a season
that last what is it, like nine months? It plots? Okay,
it's one, let's say nine. It's one thing. If you
have a season that last nine months, it's something. You
(11:02):
have a season that last nine months where guys are
making gargantua and contracts and nobody appears to be happy, right,
So so many of the current players don't appear to
be happy, the foreign player, the past players aren't happy
with the new players being unhappy or how they play,
And so fans are like, like, so I'm supposed to
(11:22):
buy into this stuff. Yet yet kids love it. There's
still a huge number of basketball fans internationally. Of our
exports sports, I would say it's the most popular. I
don't think it's particularly close. And yet it's kind of
stalled out here and we're creeping up on the post
Lebron's Steph era and the league is going to really
(11:46):
really struggle to find that next star, Super super Super
Superstar just just we had to wait how long after
Jordan retired before we got Lebron And look, Kobe was great,
but Kobe wasn't beloved. He just wasn't. He was really
hard to deal with for a really long time. He
didn't like his own teammates, his own coaches. Even when
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he won. He was hard for people love. And he's
more beloved now because the last two titles, but also
look because he kind of evolved as a human and
then he died way too early. But there was a
massive gap, a huge fall off when Jordan left the game.
And I think we're getting ready for one of those.
(12:28):
And then you factor in that the NBA has just
lost a pr battle. I don't think it's a you know,
and I've kind of won jay Stu over with this thing.
I'd like it to baseball. It's way better than anybody's
perception of it is. The NBA is way better than
even the NFL playoffs and the NFL as Jay, I
(12:51):
don't think it's as bad as Jay Stu makes it,
but the product oftentimes is not great. And yet he
watch why it's easy to gamble on why because it's
only on three days a week, whereas the NBA is
on all the time. People are always talking about it.
It's kind of heavy. No one ever appears to be happy.
People who played in it, cover it, coached it. Everybody
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bitches all the time, and at some point you're just like, yeah,
I'm kind of good and I as despite the fact
this is a super competitive series, it has zero buzz none.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
In a way, it's counterproductive because the people that aren't
gonna watch aren't gonna watch even if there are more games,
and then the people who are gonna watch aren't gonna
watch as much because there are more games.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Can I also say that do we consider the playing game?
The playing game is the start of the playoffs like
the playing games. The NBA doesn't, but I do, Okay,
So they started the playing games was April fifteenth. I
know we love the NBA playoffs and we kind of
put the spotlight on it more than the regular season,
but the playoffs are really long, two months to get
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halfway through the finals.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I've done the math on this. I said this on
the network. If this was an NFL schedule, the NBA
Playoffs would last from Week one to the beginning of
week eleven. In the NFL, it's more than half of
the regular season. If you were to like to spread
it out and be like, okay, this was week one
of the season, Week two, Week three, and the NBA
Draft two night a fair now starting in less than
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two weeks the twenty fifth. Then you have a free
agency in summer league after that, So you're in mid July,
still kind of talking about the NBA in training camps
start in September. Now that mid October is the start
of the season. So Doug, when you say nine months,
August is the only month that there isn't something NBA
related going on. I mean NBA Media Days happened on
(14:41):
like September twentieth. It's like week two of the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's long, it's crazy, and you know, then summer basketball
is a thing. Last year was the Olympics as well. Yeah,
it's a lot. And then the off season, whatever the
off season is, there's so many trades and so much
player movement that I think it does feed into the
(15:06):
narrative of unhappiness and it just constantly, constantly being a
part of the of what's going on in sports. And
people tire of it.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
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Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. We'll get
an update from Oakmont with Dan Byer in probably about
ten minutes or so. In the meantime, let's continue the
NBA discussion. Mark stein joins us longtime NBA writer and
insider publishes a substack called the Steinlin Mark. We were
talking about NBA ratings, and again full disclosure, I think
(15:52):
the quality of play in the NBA playoffs share has
been really good. It's a bit of a narrative and
perception problem, not just with the market size obviously it's
going to be down, but just overall in the NBA.
What's your sense of why the sport that we both
love twenty five years ago was king of the world
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and now it's it's fighting a ratings decline.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Battle because it's not and people just want to make
it into a headline. It's like, yes, the ratings are
down dramatically from twenty five years, but if the NBA
Finals is the number one program on the night that
tells you everything in television is facing a massive ratings decline.
(16:42):
And it's just, I know it's a fun topic. I
know it's a popular topic, and I know that the
NBA's zillions of critics love to seize upon ratings talk.
But like I just there are a few topics in
our sphere that just I couldn't have less interest in.
Because the other thing here is if ratings, if traditional
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ratings were a concern or an issue, how did the
NBA just set up an eleven year, seventy six billion
dollar deal with all these new partners that any league
except the NFL would love to have. The NFL is
the NFL and a separate entity, and nobody can touch
(17:26):
the NFL. And you know, if you're going to compare
the NBA to the NFL, then yeah, it is way way, way,
way way.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
In the distance.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
But the ratings problem, it's it's it's for headlines and
top show debates. It doesn't really mean anything. And like again,
we thought, I thought, I thought Adam Silver made a
good point about this, I think at his press conference
before the finals. Like Netflix, everybody uses Netflix. How does
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that even factor into the ratings anymore. Like, it's just
it's such a different world than it was twenty five
years ago. If the NBA was having major trouble with
its media rights partners or its media rights deal was
going way down, you know, then we could say, okay,
ratings is a problem, and look, in eleven years, ratings
(18:18):
might be a problem, because who knows what the landscape
will look like in eleven years.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
But I just.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
You said it, if you like basketball, why are you
not watching this series? Like if you if you like basketball,
you should be watching? Like who cares where the teams
are from?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
What do you think happened to the Thunder in the
fourth quarter Game three?
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I I think they just wilted against the Pacers pace, which,
on one hand, you say, wait a minute, the Thunder
are the youngest team in the league, they had two
full days.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Off, what is going on?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
But I think Mark Dagnolt, Now he didn't say it
as clear cut as you might have liked.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Him to say it to make.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
It easier for us to seize upon this, but he.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
Basically said something to the effect of the Pacers play
it different than any team in the league, and we're
not used to seeing it. He basically acknowledged that that
even three games into this series with all the press.
I mean, first of all, they they completely loaded up
on SGA with ball pressure and that was you know,
that took its toll in a way we really haven't
(19:39):
seen him.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
And did they flipped the script?
Speaker 8 (19:41):
Really? Haliburton's the one who the Thunders defense has given
him just so many problems, not just in these finals,
but you know, historically the thunder have guarded him as
well as anyone, and the Pacers just changed their approach
and it really worked.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
And I was surprised.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
And that's what makes tonight so fascinating because this is
the shortest turnaround in the series. Now, I mean, this
is just a one night off thing. You know, well,
you know it'll be it'll be back to two days off,
two days off between the rest of the rest of
the games in the series because the league instituted the
extra day off when you have.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
To switch cities.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
But like OKC is facing a must win game tonight
on the shortest rest, it will have probably had an
these playoffs. So it's going to be really interesting to
see how they bounce back from it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I agree. I also, I think the adjustments are interesting.
I thought, I thought, you know, Shay looked inexperienced in
terms of championship closing things out where he took two
really bad fadeaways where they forced him probably a yard
(20:54):
further out than he was really comfortable doing. And then
you know you have Dort and and Chet in the game,
and you know Dort only makes shots at home right,
and Chet can't make a shot, and so they didn't
guard Dort, so it's playing five on four with defense,
and Chet missed a gigantic three as well. I think,
(21:16):
I don't know, it's it's hard when Aaron Wiggins gives
you such a great game Game two, it distorts your
your look at what they're going to look like moving forward.
But they gotta find ways to have more space for
Sga because they are, like you said, loading up on him.
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (21:32):
And look, you said something very important there. The experience
is a big factor because the thunder it is different
on the final stage than it is any other round
of the playoffs or any other basketball environment.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It just it just is.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
And Okay, now we're four games into it, they need
to be more used to it. But the reality is
the thunder came into this series with Caruso is their
only real rotation player who has been to the finals,
and that was the Bubble and this now it's not
like the Pacers have tons of finals experience because Tiakam
(22:09):
is really their only rotation player.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Who's been on the stage.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
But you know who has been on the stage, Rick
Carlisle and Mark Dagnold hasn't. And I think the game
that Carlisle coached in Game three will go down as
one of one of his masterpieces. Now, they probably need
to win the series to make it endure. But this
is a Thunder team that went twenty nine to one
(22:34):
against the East, the one and two in the East
in this series. I mean, it's like for the Pacers.
I think the Pacers have led this series for ten
percent of the minutes and they have a two to
one lead.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I mean, it is that's insane.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
It's but it's happened. And that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Mark Stein. All right, let's get to some
of the off the court. Blaver, what are you hearing
on Yannis.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Look, there's really nothing happening with Yannis until the Bucks
have always operated that we are not We won't even
entertain the notion of trading Yanis unless he asks us.
And Yana Santeta Koupa, by all accounts to this point
of the offseason, has not asked for a trade. He
(23:24):
has not asked to be moved. And so all these
teams that we're hoping and honestly lusting for the chance
to make a trade offer for Jana Santetakoupo, they've started
to look at other things and are somewhat resigned. I
wouldn't say all the way resigned, because it's still early
(23:45):
in the summer, but they're looking at other things. I mean,
you don't hear the Yannis chatter like.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
We did right after the season ended.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
But the Bucks haven't played a game since April twenty ninth.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I mean we're in mid June now.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
So to this point, the Bucks appear to still have
Yiannis's support and desire to be there, which is which
is what they want. They you know, now, the Bucks
are to keep it and to make sure nothing changes.
The Bucks are trying to sell him on this idea
that just give us a year to fix the roster.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Fix the books.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Basically reorient ourselves and by twenty twenty six, twenty seven, we'll.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Be ready to compete again.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
You know, is Yani's going to be okay with that?
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Because the I mean, it just.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Blows my mind every time somebody brings it up. Yan
is thirty, Janice is thirty. He's been in the league
twelve years.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Like that, that's crazy. It goes fast man, Okay, then Durant,
that feels like something's going to happen. Yes, yes, most
likely destinations.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
It's too soon to give you destinations. I mean, look,
is he Momentum is certainly building toward a trade. The
Suns are operating like they want to have this done
by the draft, which is June twenty fifth. What's interesting
here is Kevin Durant is basically entering the final year
(25:12):
of his contract fifty five million. In February, all the
talk was, whoever trades for Durant, it'll be just like
Jimmy Butler in Golden State. He'll get it to year extension.
That talk has changed to where you now hear about
teams like Toronto that might be willing to just trade
for KD with no assurance they could keep him so
(25:36):
basically roll the dice that the one year they have
him will go well and he'll like it, but not
with the promise of an extension on top of the trade,
and so.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Well, we're going to have to see.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
If you know, it's pretty common knowledge that you know,
the houstudents, the San Antonio's, those are the presumed desired
destination if it's up to KD. But are the Sons
just going to trade him to the team that makes
the best offer and not worry about what KD wants here?
And you know that's an answer we're still waiting on.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Okay, what are the Lakers going to do?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
The Lakers, they don't have the They just don't have flexibility.
I mean, the reality is Lebron James is almost certainly
going to opt into his contracts and so that you know,
they have in the short term, have very limited optionality.
You know, teams will try to convince them to part
with Austin Reeves. I don't think they want to. So
(26:43):
can they manufacture everybody knows they need a frontline center,
they need a rim running center. Can they manufacture a
trade to get one without having to involve Austin Reeves?
Not an easy assignment, but you know, the player option
if longs to Lebron. So I don't see Lebron walking
(27:04):
away from a player option in excess of fifty million.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
I think he won.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
I really struggled to imagine him playing anywhere besides LA
at this point.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
So to challenging summer for the Lakers for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Okay, Celtics, what do they do?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
It's interesting because the assumption now is that the Celtics
are you know, everyone knows they need to shed payroll
to reduce their luxury tax bill. But you know, they
also won championships with these guys, so it's not that
easy for them emotionally to just discard a Christops for
Zingis or traded Drew Holliday. But also you know, finding
(27:48):
the right trades financially.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
I mean, the expectation is that.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
They're you know, they're going to trade at least one
of those players. But and Porzingis would be easier theoretically
because he's on an expiring whereas Drew Holliday has three.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Years left on his deal.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
But it's another one where yeah, I mean, like there's
there's a lot of talk about the Celtics, but we're
gonna need more time to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It is the Doug Gottliebe Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
You know, Cooper Cooper Flags can be the number one
overall pick. Is there any chance that anybody makes that
trades with Dallas or that Dallas trade.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
No, no, no, no chance Cooper Flag will be a Maverick.
He's actually coming to town next Tuesday for his first
visit with the franchise. I mean, this is the you know,
after three months of fan dismay, unlike any I've ever
(28:55):
seen in the NBA. I mean, this is a reprieve
of you know, I don't even have the words for it.
I mean, fans to win the number one pick. Also,
when you factor in the Mavericks just terrible history in
the draft lottery of never moving up, the excitement already locally,
the business rebound that the Mavericks have enjoyed just by
(29:18):
winning the lottery, There is no way they trade him.
Cooper Flag will be He will be in Dallas on Tuesday,
and eight days later he will be officially a Maverick.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Listen, I know you don't do predictions and picks, and
neither do I, but this series is like you said
ten percent of the game roughly right. It was zero
point three seconds in Game one, and you know they
don't really lead until late in the fourth quarter in
Game three that they've led. I assume you came in
(29:49):
the series thinking that Thunder would win the series. I did.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
I did make a pick. I picked Thunder in six
and I did sit. You know, most people I think
said five. I said six because I had that much
respect for Indiana. But I just wonder, now, like I said,
the circumstances going into tonight, like the Thunder, this is
a must win game for the Thunder. The rest situation
(30:14):
is working against them.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
They've completely gone away from the two.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Bigs, and I don't know that that's serving them well.
So are we need to see dag Nault go back
to Hartenstein and Holme Grin as a duo and see
Obviously you know why he's afraid to do it, because
the Facers play so fast and small as it is.
But I just you have to wonder, did the Pacers
(30:41):
if they find something in game three that can that
they can replicate. I mean, I mean, imagine, just imagine
them winning tonight and going up three one. I mean,
is it is one of the Cinderella runs of.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
NBA history to this point.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
I mean, it's just.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Nobody coming into the season, said the Indiana Pacers could
win the championship.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I mean nobody can, Nobody going, Nobody going in the
playoffs said that.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
Yeah. I mean it's it's it's just so.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Mark Stein longtime NBA reporter insider. He publishes a substack.
It's called the Steinlein. I implore you, I implore you
to read it. Mark, great stuff. Thanks thanks so much
for joining us.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Okay, guys, be good.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
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(32:12):
I've been teasing this for two hours, mostly because I
want to know. Let's find out everything we need to
know about Oakmond. Part of the press the press. Quick
reminder you can stream this and all of our Fox
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(32:35):
like your radio preset in your car. You got presets
for Fox Sports Radio on your iHeartRadio app. It always
pop up top of your screen. Dan Byer Doug.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I don't know who's going to win, but I know
there won't be a repeat winner at Oakmont for the
US Open when it comes to the player that previously
won the US Open at Oakmont, Dustin Johnson. Plus ten
on the raw side of the cut line, which currently
sits at seven over par. That's going to be kind
of where we're going to toggle. Scotty Scheffler going to
(33:06):
make the weekend at plus four, John Rahm at plus
four as well. So's Colin Morikawa. Brooks Keepka was in
contention after day one. Still is is at plus two
after a seventy four today, justin Thomas, he's on the
wrong side of it. He's at plus twelve. He is
not going to make the cut back to back. Seventy
six is but your leader right now. JJ Spawn remains
(33:27):
atop of the leader board at four under par. Sam
Burns is the story of the day. A round of
sixty five. He's now at three under only Lauren Roberts,
who shot sixty four and nineteen ninety four, and Johnny
Miller's infamous sixty three and seventy three in the final
round were the two lowest rounds lower than what Sam
(33:49):
Burns shot today at Oakmont for a US Open.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Okay, here's the question. More likely that Spawn finishes, he
wins it, or he's outside of the top ten.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Outside of the top ten.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Agreed, really interesting to see my podcast yesterday. I agree
you didn't hear my podcast yesterday. But what I said
was the guy who leads the relative unknown, that leads
a major after the first day or two is like
the guy who the first character you see in a
(34:23):
horror movie they never survive.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, and he got a head start by getting that
four under par round of sixty six. Today, he currently
has the lead by himself at four under par. He
lost the players in a playoff with Rory McIlroy. However,
I just think that at some point you're gonna pull
back and maybe today's the day that he shoots seventy.
(34:48):
But there's gonna be a seventy two, there's gonna be
a seventy four, and will others may not shoot sixty five,
like Sam Burns, I think they're gonna have their opportunity.
I will say this though, to to at least being
in the top ten, he would have to drop six
shots off of his pace right now, because plus one
gets you in the top ten. But yeah, I still
(35:09):
think it's I think it's going to be a tough
weekend for him, the likes of a Victor Hovelind Holland's
is at shot sixty eight today, but like if anybody
were to shoot sixty five on this course, I thought
it was Hobland. But at times he could go and
shoot seventy nine as well. Sure, but it'll make it,
it'll make it interesting. Jordan Speith is at plus five.
(35:30):
He's going to make the weekend. But right now that
cut line we're watching with Rory McElroy and Ludvig Goldberg
currently at seven over par pricing to Shamba just got
out to five under par. Rory just bogied, so he's
back to plus eight. But some of the names Phil
Mickelson right now at plus five, so he would play
the weekend if things continue. Indiana a fever guard. Caitlin
Clark's going to return from her quad strain and play
(35:52):
against the New York Liberty on Saturday. Fever went two
and three in the five games she missed because of
that injury.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, two and three. We don't have to do the
first take segment of whether or not the fever better
without Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do we have time for the Josh Hart Jalen Brunson.
I don't have the audio in front of me, Sam
does Do we have the Knicks stars talking about their
former the first time? Yeah? All right.
Speaker 10 (36:18):
The team, the organization obviously has changed obviously with with
Tis being gone. And first, you know, we want to
give a shout out to Tis Man, you know, especially
you know, for myself, he helped, you know, make me
into the player I am. I had a lot of
instability and the you know, early part of my career,
(36:39):
and he kind of gave me that stability and that
opportunity to flourish, as you know, a player in the league,
a starter in the league. So I'm always gonna be
forever great perform.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I praise for his now former coach.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, I mean they obviously liked him, and this feels
like one that was done by the own owner and
doesn't mean they won't play for another coach. But man,
you got to get that thing right.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I don't think he needed a preference and that he
was going to give him a shout out. I think
all the nice things that he said afterwards, shout we're
sufficient enough. I don't know what we need to like
I'm about to thank you like that's I don't think
that we, uh we needed that. The Indianapolis Colts will
induct late owner Jim Ersay into the team's Ring of
Honor prior to their Week one UH season opener. I
(37:27):
don't know what the Colt's ring of honor is. I
know the organization going through tough times, but they're going
to uh put him on the ring of honor as
he rightly deserves. And Doug that is the press.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
Get out there and pressed that was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I do wonder if they'll put it right next to
that wild card appearance banner that.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
They took it down, Dog, they took it down.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I know who wins Tonight Buyer, the Thunder. I think
Indiana wins. Doug Otliphow, Fox Sports Radio,
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