April 25, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug refutes Ryan Clark as he goes to the race card again while discussing the criticism Shedeur Sanders has received. Doug tells a story of why character and interview skills count. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
You enjoyed last night's NFL Draft Round one, rounds two
and three get underway in what is it, three and
a half hours when we're told the rain's gonna stop
at about an hour and a.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Half, So people got the rain slickers.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
They're coming in from the rain to get in some
wings the beer, getting looped up and watch their favorite
team select guys that they've probably never seen before and
just taken somebody's word for him, go like, oh, I
love that guy or I hate that guy, but I.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I gotta say this.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's this is like a fascinating social experiment, right, And
I do wonder when we're going to get to the
part where people just kind of admit it, right, that
apple trees do make apples. And when you start with
the idea and the admittance that Dion Sanders is arguably
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or maybe inarguably the greatest cover corner in the history
of the sport. We okay saying that, buyer, do you
have any problem, Like, we're not we're not football guys.
But but but if I said, hey, there's never been
a greater cover corner in the history of the sport
than Deon Sanders, would I sound like.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
An idiot for saying that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, so he's a great player, he's a gigantic personality,
and he did He's done a very good job turning
around Colorado football program after building up Jacksons States football program. Okay,
these two things can be true. You can be an
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all time great player, you can be a really good
force of nature head coach, and you can be a
colossal pain the ass as a parent to a potential
draftee in the.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Apple trees make apples? Can we just be honest that?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And psychologists love this because what I'm gonna say is true.
You're You're not only part of their gene pool. There's
a nurture, not just a nature to how you've been raised. Right,
most of my friends, okay, we all kind of grew
up the same, lower middle class whatever. I can't remember
going out to eat as a kid, but if we did,
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we went to like Shaky's Pizza.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
We went to.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You go out with a team after a game and
they throw up the game on one of those projection
big screens.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You guys remember those.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
They had like three color lights for them, and you
play football.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I played.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It was Junior American football for the Orange teams. And
we go to Shakey's Pizza and there's one of those
big screen TVs. It wasn't really clear, but you'd watch
the football game. All the kids would getting a bunch
of quarters. You'd play in the arcade and then you'd
have a bunch of pizza. Right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That was the extent of going out to dinner.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But some people are raised where they went out to
dinners as kids, and so their expectations of eating out
is different.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I think one of the reasons that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I mean, maybe Dan you experienced this when you have
a kid and you always clean off their plate, right
as Brodie's age, and you start to go out and
you're like, you know, you put on that extra weight
because you're eating part of because we.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Were raised where you clean off your plate. And if
you didn't, at least in my household, if you didn't
clean your plate when.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You ate dinner, you had it for breakfast. That's a
legit thing. I don't know if I've ever told you
guys this. When I was a kid, not so shocking.
I would talk too much at the dinner table. I
talk too much. So my mom put one of those
you know those kitchen timers where you'd spin it and
it actually makes it the thinking stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
My mom would put a timer, yeah, something like that
next to me, and if the buzzer went off while
there was still food on my plate, I had to
eat it for breakfast. Have you when was I don't
know when the last time you guys have eaten with me.
But I eat crazy fast. Now like crazy fast, We're like,
oh my god, I didn't even get I didn't even
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get through like.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
The first part of my entree and you're done.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm like, yeah, that's because my parents were like, you
talk too much, eat your food.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Or you're gonna eat it for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Who we are is a product of our jan our jeans,
but also how we were raised.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I kind of think that's inarguable.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So if we're gonna sit here and we're gonna act
like Shadoor Sanders, we should only judge him based upon
his success at quarterback and not hold Dion as part
of the guide for what he's going to be like
or how he's going to be to coach. I think
that's we're just denying reality. He is a chip off
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the old block. He carries the arrogance of a Dion Sanders,
he carries the money, the financial.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Backing of a Dion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
He's only been coached in college by Dion Sanders, and
Dion has never held him accountable. So if you think
that we're being unfair to Shodoor Sanders. I think the
easiest parallel is Josh Rosen. Right, Josh Rosen his last
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regular season football game was against usc at the college season.
See it, and if you watch Josh Rosen and Sam
Donald play, you'd be like, one guy looks like a
first round the other guy looks like a guy who's
just running around for his dear life. And the guy
running around was Sam Donald. And Sam Donald is still
in the league, granted failed in his first couple stops,
but had a great year last year and now he's
gonna be the starter for your Seahawks stamp, whereas Josh
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Rosen long gone, never to be heard from before. And
when Josh Rosen was getting drafted in the NFL draft,
people in the NFL were like, hey, you know both
of his parents are college educated and I think his
mom's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And the fear was one, Josh hasn't love football and.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
If there's any sort of head injury, Josh Rosen is
not going to play because he doesn't need it. He
comes from affluence, his parents are well educated.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
He doesn't need the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then last part was Josh's personality was one where
remember he had the hot tub in his dorm room
when he was at UCLA, and I had a GM
tell me that there wasn't one guy who was like,
you know who we love? I love Josh Roseen. That's
what the position is. And so when you factor in that,
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Chador has been raised as silver Spoon's hand. Shador has
been treated with kid gloves when he's at Colorado, Shador's
driven a Lamborghini.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Shador has his own logo.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Shure has his legendary room at his house for being drafted.
Shador's dad is Deon Sanders. He carries himself with an
arrogance of a Dion Sanders. He's not the greatest cover
corner ever, his dad is. It paints a picture which
is an accurate tale of what NFL teams can expect.
And then you factor in that there's questions about him
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holding the ball, taking sacks, and did he take sacks
to protect his completion percentage?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Right, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Like people don't question whether or not he can find
receivers and get rid of it, but why did he
hold on the football Because he completed seventy percent of
his passes and he wanted to hold onto that number.
And when you take a sack that doesn't go down
against you, that goes down against your offensive line, again
getting away from accountability. I think all these are an
accurate picture, and we're making about things that it's not about.
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It's about Shador, it's about who he is. It's about
what it would be like to coach him and how
hard it would be. And that's why he wasn't drafted
last night. Go ahead, Dad, and I can see you it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You can to get in.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I was waiting. I was waiting. I don't even think
we need to go to any other quarterback. I think
we need to look at this draft. If if Dion
was the enormous problem, or if race was the problem,
or if there was something else, why did Travis Hunter
go number two? Because by all accounts, Travis Hunter and
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Dion Sanders had a father son like relationship. Heck, it
seems that Shador and Travis are BFFs. They're best of friends.
There's everything with it. Travis Hunter's draft stock was not hurt.
He went second overall, probably would have gone first overall
if the NFL wasn't obsessed with the core back position,
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forcing the Titans to take cam Ward at number one. Otherwise,
Travis Hunter is probably the first overall pick in the draft.
Yet the Jaguars said we'll sacrifice our future because we
want Travis Hunter so bad. And that's and we're also
Doug talking about again a league that loves the quarterback position,
and you cannot survive without a quarterback in the NFL.
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Yet teams aren't taking a flyer or even a chance.
I think that tells you everything you need to know
about should or Sanders and how he's thought about throughout
the league.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I got to tweet here from a jess Scott Jessica
by the way, to tweet the show at Gottlieb Show.
Love the show, but it is about race. I'll turn
your show back on next week. Okay, here's my question,
and it's always been my question. It goes back to
the Eric b enemy. Should Eric BN to be be hired?
Is the league races because they want to hire Eric
b enemy? Okay, this is Ryan Clark of ESPN bringing
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race into the equation.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
My biggest problem with it is obviously the anonymity of
all of the comments and all of the quotes and
all of the things that we have had reported. Whether
it was Josina Anderson around the combine, you know recently
with this quote from an offensive coach who says he's entitled,
who says he puts to blame. I watched Sador Sanders
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get damn near killed for two years at Colorado, and
I never saw him breat alignment on the sideline. I
never saw him cuss or scream at a coach. And
you're hearing these things like entitled and these little pieces
of the characteristics of his personality.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
When we had a number one overall.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Draft pick get arrested for being orderly and drunk, and
we had more people coming out and saying, Okay, here's
who the real Baker Mayfield is. Don't watch this video.
Don't believe that what you saw of him is who
he is. He's a good person, he's a good leader,
He's this. We had more anonymous people saying those things.
Shador Sanders never been arrested. Shaduur Sanders has never been
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in trouble. Shadure Sanders has never misused his names to
the point of taking advantage of people. You have Johnny Manziel,
who missed the first game of his last year against
Rice for Texas A and m because he was suspended.
You have Johnny Manziel, who ended up getting a whole
documentary about how fed up he was away from the field,
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But there was.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
No anonymous talk about him.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
There was no one coming out and saying Johnny Manziel
isn't a good person. Johnny Manziel is entitled. Johnny Manziel
has an alcohol issue. And so to me, the way
that Shaduur Sanders has been covered seems purposeful.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, so Ryan Clark's doing Ryan Clark does he's making
about race because he only mentioned white quarterbacks who he
feels like, who he feels like got to pass. By
the way, Johnny Manziel flamed out of the NFL, right
like you're using a guy who maybe they didn't do
enough background research. And oh yeah, by the way, if
we go back, Johnny Manziel was falling in that draft
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only to have to clean the Browns jump up and
draft him in surprising fashion because the owner wanted to
do you know who the actual GM wanted to draft.
Do you remember that draft Dan Byer, who the Cleveland
Browns hired an analytics company and they had him do
all the numbers on who they should draft.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It was Teddy Bridgewater, right, Teddy Bridgewater was supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The guy, right, And when Teddy Bridgewater was the guy,
then the owner walked in and the story goes that
a that a homeless person stopped him on the way
into the draft room. Is like, you should draft Johnny
manzil He'll fill up the stadium. And that's why they
drafted Johnny Manziel. I didn't hear him bring up JaMarcus Russell.
There wasn't background on JaMarcus Russell. DeMarcus Russell's background or
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getting hooked on scissor up. You know that it's called
purple drank, right, which led to him being out of
the NFL. Nothing, none of that. We've had flame out
quarter a black, famous quarterbacks are white. We've had good
quarterbacks that are black. We have a good quarterbacks are white. Hey,
I remember, do you remember when Geno Smith was getting
ready to be drafted and what happened?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Then they better remember this.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Twenty thirteen, twenty.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Thirteen, there's a guy named Nolan Norocky. Okay, and Nolan
Norocky all he does is sit down and do these
He did these big draft write ups, right, big draft
right ups.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And he went through and.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
His write up on Geno Smith was simply based upon
He's not that, not that athletic, not that accurate. There's
these things that he doesn't do, his personality whatever. And
no one has ever said, hey, Nolan, who you nailed it?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No one.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Nolan Norocky was roasted over the coals because he put
his name on a scouting report that, by his sources
inside West Virginia's program and by all scout was accurate.
Geno fell to the second round end up starting with
the Jets and flamed out early, and only ten years
later has resurrected his career as he's learned from his
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mistakes and he's matured into a likable dude that's made
an incredible career in the NFL. Like the idea that
somehow there's a racial bias to this is so far
from reality. Again, it's the same thing I said about
Eric the enemy. NFL teams are about one thing. They
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have one agenda. There's only one thing that matters, and
that's if you win football games. If you win football games,
both the starting quarterbacks in this year's game.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
We're black men.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay, No one's carrying this like Oh my god, we
got to hold him to a different standard. You're bringing
you're doing the what about isms?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Ryan Clark curiously omits the fact that there were several
times he threw his offensive line under the bus in
press conferences over the past two years. Ryan Clark curiously
omits the fact that he didn't play late in the
Nebraska game because he was taking a beating.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
One reason he's taking a.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Beating is he won't get rid of the damn ball
and he won't get rid of the ball because he
selfishly wanted to protect the fact that he was leading
the country in completion percentage. Like can you prove racial
bias when the number one overall pick was a quarterback
and he's black, Like, it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And I think the biggest issue with people who are
who who claim racism is they do so without any
sort of proof other than arbitrary arguments which aren't like
Baker Mayfield was discussed a ton and oh yeah, by
the way, I think Baker Mayfield was held to an
incredibly high standard being the number one overall pick and
was ushered out of town for Deshaun Watson In right,
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Deshaun Watson, Deshaun Watson, who had was it forty people
who charged him with sexual assault?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Right? Accused him of the sexual assault like forty people.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And by the way, Deshaun Watson's black nobody cared in Cleveland.
You know why because they thought Deshaun Watson could win
them football games.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Can your production outweigh your problems?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what everybody like we say, can you is the
is the juice worth the squeeze? Right? And what thirty
two teams said last night was not as the first
round pick. So Ryan Clark's job is to analyze show
us on tape?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Why show us based upon your sources?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But the idea that anonymous sources like dude Nolan o'rocky
have you seen him on any have you seen him
on any of these broadcasts. Matt Miller's now working at ESPN.
And by the way, Matt Miller got his start working
on My show twenty years ago. He was a young
guy and Jappulin, Missouri just grinding and he finally made it.
But Matt Miller never put his name on anything negative
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towards a quarterback, so this didn't happen to him, because
that's what happens when you put your name on it,
regardless of whether or it's accurate or inaccurate.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
If you want to tell me that Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Doesn't act or carry himself in a way in which
is entitled, then you're gonna have to show me some proof,
just like you're gonna have to show me some proof
that there's somehow race comes into this. Half of the
star quarterbacks in the NFL are black men. It's such
a dated argument. If it was fifty years ago, you'd
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have a good argument it was forty years ago. Maybe
you'd have an argument thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But we're making it about what it's not about, right,
It's about the whole package. Can you stand in front
of fifty two other dudes on a Sunday and get
them to play for you? Get them to play for you?
And oh yeah, by the way, how many jobs are
really out there available? Remember some of this is Dion
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and Chad are doing it to themselves. They didn't want
to play in Cleveland. Okay, you don't play fighting, We'll
move on down the road.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Not a problem. Right.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What you're doing is you're limiting the number of teams
that can draft you right, Seattle doesn't need one. San
Francisco doesn't need one, Rams don't need one, Chargers don't
need one. Right, just kind of keep going through. Raiders
just signed Geno Smith. I don't need a young they
don't need a first round draft pick quarterback. They might
not need a second, all right, Commanders don't need one.
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Giants steed one. But the Giants signed two veterans. They
signed Jameis Winston, who, Yeah, by the way, like again,
if we're holding black quarterbacks to a higher standard than
white quarterbacks, and why why did Jameis Winston go number
one overall? Jameis Winston had had a sexual assault case
that was dropped against him, wasn't he We're not holding
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a guy to a higher stand. It's such a bull
crap argument and everybody's just tired of it. Stop going
with the argument if you want to make the argument
that his dad is too big, or coaches are scared
of having him his sign his quarterback because maybe he
wants to take his job.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right, I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Maybe that's the case with the Giants, not sure, but
going to the race argument is just tired.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It lacks validity.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And doing the what aboutism is one of the biggest
turn offs in the media. One of the biggest turn
offs by the way the Jags draft Travis Hunter. We
got to talk about them trading up for Travis Hunter
and the irony to be people being critical of it
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when the guy who's the GM comes from the Rams.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
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Heck, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think Lamar Jackson dropped in the draft, not just
because of his lack of accuracy in college, but you know.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
His mom was his rep.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I had teams tell me they tried to get
him in for a workout, but they couldn't get a
hold of his mom. Right, couldn't get a hold of her,
and he didn't want to work out for certain teams. Now,
the whole draft, including the Ravens, past on him. He goes,
they trade up, they trade him last pick of the
first round, and he's turned out to be a multi
time MVP, one of the greatest, probably the greatest running
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quarterback in the history of the sport. So they do miss,
but sometimes you representation is a reason. Sometimes your presentation
is a reason. Sometimes who you are is the reason.
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I understand if you're an idiot and you want to
make the correlation. Look, you have one enough games like whatever, fine,
But the number one question that I actually ask recruits.
So we've had four players signed so far in the
transport portal and we're trying to find out Actually it's
two things.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
One do you want to be here? Is this a
place you want to be? Want to be?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And two will you allow yourself to be coached. Right,
will you allow yourself to be coached? Because our job
as coaches is to put you in the best position
to succeed. So when you succeed, we succeed, we all win. Right,
do you allow yourself to be coached? And like, I
think you have to at least factor in.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
If I'm not mistaken, Dion coach Shador in high school
and in college, Like when you've only played for your dad,
And look, my dad.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Was harder on me than anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I would not wish playing for your dad if he
was my dad, because my dad was like, hey, I
got to hold you to a higher standard because everyone's
already gonna think I'm playing you only because you're my son.
And maybe that's the case with Dion, But the do
you do you want to be coached by somebody other
than your dad? And again you can think the interviews
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mean nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
He'd be again. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
A former player of mine, right, is out in the
workforce here in Green Bay, and they did a cognitive critical.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Thinking test and he didn't score particularly well.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And one of the guys who's going to hire him
called me, this is the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox
Sports Radio Live from Green Bay, Wisconsin, Sight of the
NFL Draft. One of the guys that was getting ready
to hire him or wanted to hire him, called me.
He's like, hey, and I tell you this, but this kid,
he didn't score well in our exam. It's like a
critical thinking exam. Well, we use it to try and
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place guys in the right jobs. You know, lots of
corporate America has this, some professional sports teams happened. He's like,
did you like him? I said, Look, here's the deal.
Bring him in, sit with him, interview him, talk with him.
I would be done if you didn't want him to
date your daughter. And so the same kid goes for
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an interview with this guy's bosses and what was supposed
to be a fifteen to thirty minute interview goes an
hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
They're gonna hire him.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's gonna make one and a half x to two
x what we thought he would make anyway, because the
interviews matter. That we brush off these interviews like they
don't matter, Like, dude, that's everything. That's everything. We can
design robots to throw football, but your ability to look
your teammate in the eye, like yo, dude, I need
you your ability to motivate those guys to make them
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believe in you. That's everything at point guard, at quarterback, everything.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Like it has so much less to do about talent
than people would know it really does.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And it's just stunning to me on how this narrative
has become about all these other things. And we're like, yeah,
we did an interview, well but no, no, no. There were
multiple teams that said it was the worst interview they'd
ever had.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
He acted like he didn't want to be there. He
blew him off.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And first, you not only cross off, that team crosses
you off. But everybody talks to everybody, right, everybody talks
to everybody. Like anyone in the NFL has a friend
that works for a different franchise, Like, hey, what was
he like for you? Like, dude, you should have seen this.
That guy was on his phone, he didn't care. So
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of course you carry in that bias when it's on
the board.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Should we take.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Him acting like these things don't matter. Is especially when
you have people who are successful, right, Nick Saban, unbelievable
is successful.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Ryan Clark was super successful.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I'm sure Ryan Clark one of the reasons he originally
got his job at ESPN was in person. He's an
amazing dude, super bright, super charming. There's lots of former
players that could talk to talk, but Ryan Clark could take.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Over a room.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
But like we're making it about things, it's not about
stuck out live show here on Fox Sports Radio. Did
you see the sad news from the Price is Right?
Bob Barker dead at the age of ninety nine. Bob
Barker dead at the age of ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
This happened a while ago, it did?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yes, Damn, I'm bad. How long ago?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Probably a year or two ago?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Really? Yeah? Yeah, I just saw pop of my timeline.
I'm that guy. We'll clean that up and edit. Isn't
that your line? Jason will clean up?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
And somebody sent to me you see Bob Barker and
I was like that, I thought he was already I
did think he was already dead, but who knew?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Did you like the nice guys getting drafted last night,
Dan Byer? I?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, I did, And I think that that's what the
draft's about. And I think that there's a little something
to that with how things play out with Shador a
little bit like this is a I thought Schador's speech.
I know it's a difficult spot, and you put a
young person in the early twenties. I don't know how
I would react in that situation. I'm sure i'd probably
be bitter. I don't know how professional I would become.
(27:16):
So I don't want to hold Shdor to that because
I don't think that his speech was bad by any means.
But what I what did like really resonate is just
how emotional it is for so many players and how
each different player reacts. Like Will Campbell of the New
England Patriots draft coming out of LSU, drafted by the
Patriots at fourth overall, Like, I thought that his exchange
(27:39):
was absolutely amazing with the NFL network, and like, if
I'm a Patriots fan, I'm totally jacked.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
This was Will Campbell in that exchange.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Well you are, mister Louisiana, but you just got a
love letter from the New England Patriots. You haven't stopped
smiling since you heard your name. What's behind that smile?
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Man?
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Just all the hard work, Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I've wrote you.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That's our life to be up here, to be able
to get my name called by a franchise like knowing
how to meets everything.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
To me, we can feel that, we absolutely can feel that. Well,
you are brought to New England to protect Drake May.
What kind of tone are you going to set on
this offensive line?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I'm a fighting uh to protect them with everything all.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Got congratulations, will appreciate it. That's going fight and die.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's the one with the short arms, right, he was
the one that people made a big dealers his arm length.
I mean it was impossible not to watch him walk
up and see who's wearing pinstriped to.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Go like, arms do look short? Right?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It becomes confirmation by us when you watch a guy
walk up, be like, see you have short arms. I
thought the whole setup was cool, you know, for people
who don't know the layout, that's the Brown County expos Center,
which is so the stage is on the street that
faces Lambeau Field and the parking lot and the stairs
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that lead up to Lambeau is where everybody's standing. Well
behind the stage is the Brown County expos Center, which
is this They made it into this gigantic green room
and then they have a tunnel that leads from the
Brown County to the stage, and that's that tunnel that
they're all running down and they had the hat check.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't know if you do this, Dan, I'm big.
When those guys don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
How to wear a hat, they're like, bro, you gotta
you don't know how to wear a hat.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Clearly not a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I like the few good stories better than how
many years ago was it when Trey Wingo was hosting
and everything was a death story? You know he had
a grandma who died early on that motivated him. You
know we had everything was death. Yesterday was everything was
a feel good, everything was feel good.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
There was another one. There's Maxwell Harrison.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You have hugged every single prospect that has been called
before you tonight, now it is your moment. How does
it feel to trade Kentucky Blue and for Buffalo Blue?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Man?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I can't believe it's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I got also thankful.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
I'm so pleased man, I'm so happy to hear my
name cause truly a dream.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Kochu.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I give all thanks to.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
God and your family.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
You love them so much that you are wearing them
with your heart and soul. Tonight show us your jack everywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They with me everywhere I go.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I love my family man, my biggest support system.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Congratulations and Western New York's gonna love you.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Let's get to work Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Pretty good.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
The pure joy of it is, I mean, it's it's
cliche to say, but it's what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's truly what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
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That's because Humble Bragg I live on the bay here
in Green Bay, so it's this has really been a
very cool week. You know, Lambeau is already a tourist
attraction that anytime your team pops up as Hey, you
get to play the packers you come up. But now
just the excuse for other football fans to come in,
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especially this time of year. So Rain I believe is ending,
which means it'll be a kind of soggy but cloudy
second d of the draft tomorrow. It's gonna beautiful for
the final rounds of the draft. Before we get you
to that and get you ready for rounds two and three.
Let's get you Dan Bayer and get to the press,
the press, Wisconsin's own Dan Byer.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Thank you very much, Doug.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I am intrigued not only with these second and third rounds,
but intrigued by comments made by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell
earlier today. The commissioner, in speaking with the Pat McAfee Show,
said that he felt last night that there was something
off with the draft and that maybe, just maybe they're
(32:37):
going to look to shorten the time of first round picks.
His suggestion was going down from ten to about seven,
and then if a team needed an extra couple of
minutes that they could put in that request. But Roger
Goodell laying the groundwork to have the NFL Draft move
along even quicker.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
Yeah yeah, pick it up right to today, Junior today,
it was definitely it definitely took a long time in
between picks.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I know what else, You had a different You had
a different experience because you were there for some of
it and then watch some of it. But I was
solely from home. I've watched the draft for thirty years.
It was a better television product when it was for
a football consumer, when you had fifteen minutes for a pick.
(33:31):
And the reason I say that is because now with
social media, last night couldn't get my phone from stopping
with the alerts. They were two picks behind at times
on picks being in and insiders tweeting the picks out
where maybe number ten is on the screen and we
already know who eleven and twelve are. And I actually
(33:53):
feel that some of that is because of the quickness
of the draft. You guys talked about the criticism of
Espana believe cut off cam Ward's deal to talk about
sure Sanders, Like when you had fifteen minutes previously, you
had all the time in the world for all this breakdown,
for these highlight packages what he does well and what
(34:14):
he doesn't, and now it's just a completely different animal.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I don't know, no, I agree, it's you can always
you can always adjust, and I like to picking it up.
But I'm with you, Dan, like, there's no reason you
can't have player that analysis, you know, and then even
analysis up potential picks before the next one. In person,
it's a long time. It feels a lot longer peron
(34:38):
because remember it's not a TV show in person.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
It's home run Derby. When I would tell anybody that
goes to a home run derby for a Major League
Baseball All Star Game, it is such a made for
TV event that when you're there, there's so many dead spots.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And yeah, it was, it was yep, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
It wasn't a great watch last night because there wasn't
any pace to it.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I get it prime time. They want to fit in
that window.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
But anyway, Roger Goodall also said that the triple header
on Christmas Day is likely to be a permanent thing
moving forward. Said that the Chiefs had asked to be
a host of it on a permanent basis, but they
were denied that.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Request, of course, is a permanent thing. Do you guys
like making more money?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yes? Do you want to continue making more money? Yes?
What's the question?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Bad news to the NBA, although it has the NBA
has got their new contract because the NFL took over
Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Well, in the NFL figured out how to do Wednesday right.
They figured out a way to do it that makes
it work for their teams and having games at a
certain spot. So now you know, every six or seven
years and maybe even bigger gaps, so there's a leap year,
they're going to figure out a way to do it
on Wednesday. But that from Roger Goodell earlier today. Also
(35:53):
could see a slight changing kickoff times for the Thanksgiving
Day games with something that he mentioned, all right, Doug.
In other news, John Morant out for tomorrow's Game four
for the Memphis Grizzlies against the Thunder because of that
hip injury suffered late in the first half last night.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And that's the end of the Grizzlies season.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
How about the comeback last night from Oklahoma City though, yes,
down thirty at a half and they come back and
win the game.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Helps when John Morant isn't there. And in some good
news did pass along? It did the family of five
star USC recruit Elijah Arena says that the eighteen year
old is out of his induced coma following a car
accident on early Thursday. While Arenas remains innovated, in a statement,
the family says he has shown significant signs of progress
within the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Listen, I'm happy that he's going to be okay, that's great.
Would like to know why he was driving at five
point fifteen in the morning in his cyber truck and
hit a tree.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Just hey, maybe that's me that when you're.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Eighteen, that that sounds like one of two things, one
fell asleep to something else.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I think they're all fair questions, just maybe not at
you know, too soon.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Maybe maybe at some point that.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Looked so right soon as as soon as he's out,
you're like, all right, now, what happened?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
And that's the press?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Press?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Was the press?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
All right? Real quick? Dan? Does she do get drafted
in the second round?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yes? Yes, I don't think it's gonna be in the
first ten picks though. I don't think anybody trades up
to him. It trades up for him.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's gonna be fascinating.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm gonna vote yes. I don't know who I'm gonna vote. Yes, Uh, Boston, Orlando, Lakers, Minnesota, Tonight, Indie, Milwaukee.
I don't think Milwaukee could look any worse. I think
they gotta they gotta win tonight, extend that series. Littler
did not look sharp. I do think that that Orlando
(37:57):
can win a game, especially if per Zingis doesn't play
because he took that elbow to his head. But I
think Lakers in Minnesota, what an interesting game.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's going to be.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Right because Lebron and Luca they do get called so
usually that hurts you from winning on the road. I
still like the matchup from Minnesota. Now they have home
court advantage. All right, have a great weekend. My thanks
to everybody at the bar for hosting us all week long.
This is the Dog Gottlieb Show Live from the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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from Green Bay, Wisconsin, sight of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
Tell me boy sent you. I hope you're having a
great day.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You enjoyed last night's NFL Draft Round one, rounds two
and three get underway in what is it, three and
a half hours when we're told the rain's gonna stop
at about an hour and a.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Half, So people got the rain slickers.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
They're coming in from the rain to get in some
wings the beer, getting looped up and watch their favorite
team select guys that they've probably never seen before and
just taken somebody's word for him, go like, oh, I
love that guy or I hate that guy, but I.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I gotta say this.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's this is like a fascinating social experiment, right, And
I do wonder when we're going to get to the
part where people just kind of admit it, right, that
apple trees do make apples. And when you start with
the idea and the admittance that Dion Sanders is arguably
(01:33):
or maybe inarguably the greatest cover corner in the history
of the sport. We okay saying that, buyer, do you
have any problem, Like, we're not we're not football guys.
But but but if I said, hey, there's never been
a greater cover corner in the history of the sport
than Deon Sanders, would I sound like.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
An idiot for saying that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, so he's a great player, he's a gigantic personality,
and he did He's done a very good job turning
around Colorado football program after building up Jacksons States football program. Okay,
these two things can be true. You can be an
(02:10):
all time great player, you can be a really good
force of nature head coach, and you can be a
colossal pain the ass as a parent to a potential
draftee in the.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Apple trees make apples? Can we just be honest that?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And psychologists love this because what I'm gonna say is true.
You're You're not only part of their gene pool. There's
a nurture, not just a nature to how you've been raised. Right,
most of my friends, okay, we all kind of grew
up the same, lower middle class whatever. I can't remember
going out to eat as a kid, but if we did,
(02:49):
we went to like Shaky's Pizza.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
We went to.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You go out with a team after a game and
they throw up the game on one of those projection
big screens.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You guys remember those.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
They had like three color lights for them, and you
play football.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I played.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It was Junior American football for the Orange teams. And
we go to Shakey's Pizza and there's one of those
big screen TVs. It wasn't really clear, but you'd watch
the football game. All the kids would getting a bunch
of quarters. You'd play in the arcade and then you'd
have a bunch of pizza. Right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That was the extent of going out to dinner.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But some people are raised where they went out to
dinners as kids, and so their expectations of eating out
is different.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I think one of the reasons that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I mean, maybe Dan you experienced this when you have
a kid and you always clean off their plate, right
as Brodie's age, and you start to go out and
you're like, you know, you put on that extra weight
because you're eating part of because we.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Were raised where you clean off your plate. And if
you didn't, at least in my household, if you didn't
clean your plate when.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You ate dinner, you had it for breakfast. That's a
legit thing. I don't know if I've ever told you
guys this. When I was a kid, not so shocking.
I would talk too much at the dinner table. I
talk too much. So my mom put one of those
you know those kitchen timers where you'd spin it and
it actually makes it the thinking stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
My mom would put a timer, yeah, something like that
next to me, and if the buzzer went off while
there was still food on my plate, I had to
eat it for breakfast. Have you when was I don't
know when the last time you guys have eaten with me.
But I eat crazy fast. Now like crazy fast, We're like,
oh my god, I didn't even get I didn't even
(04:40):
get through like.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
The first part of my entree and you're done.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm like, yeah, that's because my parents were like, you
talk too much, eat your food.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Or you're gonna eat it for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Who we are is a product of our jan our jeans,
but also how we were raised.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I kind of think that's inarguable.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So if we're gonna sit here and we're gonna act
like Shadoor Sanders, we should only judge him based upon
his success at quarterback and not hold Dion as part
of the guide for what he's going to be like
or how he's going to be to coach. I think
that's we're just denying reality. He is a chip off
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the old block. He carries the arrogance of a Dion Sanders,
he carries the money, the financial.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Backing of a Dion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
He's only been coached in college by Dion Sanders, and
Dion has never held him accountable. So if you think
that we're being unfair to Shodoor Sanders. I think the
easiest parallel is Josh Rosen. Right, Josh Rosen his last
(05:51):
regular season football game was against usc at the college season.
See it, and if you watch Josh Rosen and Sam
Donald play, you'd be like, one guy looks like a
first round the other guy looks like a guy who's
just running around for his dear life. And the guy
running around was Sam Donald. And Sam Donald is still
in the league, granted failed in his first couple stops,
but had a great year last year and now he's
gonna be the starter for your Seahawks stamp, whereas Josh
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Rosen long gone, never to be heard from before. And
when Josh Rosen was getting drafted in the NFL draft,
people in the NFL were like, hey, you know both
of his parents are college educated and I think his
mom's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And the fear was one, Josh hasn't love football and.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
If there's any sort of head injury, Josh Rosen is
not going to play because he doesn't need it. He
comes from affluence, his parents are well educated.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
He doesn't need the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then last part was Josh's personality was one where
remember he had the hot tub in his dorm room
when he was at UCLA, and I had a GM
tell me that there wasn't one guy who was like,
you know who we love? I love Josh Roseen. That's
what the position is. And so when you factor in that,
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Chador has been raised as silver Spoon's hand. Shador has
been treated with kid gloves when he's at Colorado, Shador's
driven a Lamborghini.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Shador has his own logo.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Shure has his legendary room at his house for being drafted.
Shador's dad is Deon Sanders. He carries himself with an
arrogance of a Dion Sanders. He's not the greatest cover
corner ever, his dad is. It paints a picture which
is an accurate tale of what NFL teams can expect.
And then you factor in that there's questions about him
(07:37):
holding the ball, taking sacks, and did he take sacks
to protect his completion percentage?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Right, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Like people don't question whether or not he can find
receivers and get rid of it, but why did he
hold on the football Because he completed seventy percent of
his passes and he wanted to hold onto that number.
And when you take a sack that doesn't go down
against you, that goes down against your offensive line, again
getting away from accountability. I think all these are an
accurate picture, and we're making about things that it's not about.
(08:06):
It's about Shador, it's about who he is. It's about
what it would be like to coach him and how
hard it would be. And that's why he wasn't drafted
last night. Go ahead, Dad, and I can see you it.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You can to get in.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I was waiting. I was waiting. I don't even think
we need to go to any other quarterback. I think
we need to look at this draft. If if Dion
was the enormous problem, or if race was the problem,
or if there was something else, why did Travis Hunter
go number two? Because by all accounts, Travis Hunter and
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Dion Sanders had a father son like relationship. Heck, it
seems that Shador and Travis are BFFs. They're best of friends.
There's everything with it. Travis Hunter's draft stock was not hurt.
He went second overall, probably would have gone first overall
if the NFL wasn't obsessed with the core back position,
(09:01):
forcing the Titans to take cam Ward at number one. Otherwise,
Travis Hunter is probably the first overall pick in the draft.
Yet the Jaguars said we'll sacrifice our future because we
want Travis Hunter so bad. And that's and we're also
Doug talking about again a league that loves the quarterback position,
and you cannot survive without a quarterback in the NFL.
(09:23):
Yet teams aren't taking a flyer or even a chance.
I think that tells you everything you need to know
about should or Sanders and how he's thought about throughout
the league.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I got to tweet here from a jess Scott Jessica
by the way, to tweet the show at Gottlieb Show.
Love the show, but it is about race. I'll turn
your show back on next week. Okay, here's my question,
and it's always been my question. It goes back to
the Eric b enemy. Should Eric BN to be be hired?
Is the league races because they want to hire Eric
b enemy? Okay, this is Ryan Clark of ESPN bringing
(09:57):
race into the equation.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
My biggest problem with it is obviously the anonymity of
all of the comments and all of the quotes and
all of the things that we have had reported. Whether
it was Josina Anderson around the combine, you know recently
with this quote from an offensive coach who says he's entitled,
who says he puts to blame. I watched Sador Sanders
(10:21):
get damn near killed for two years at Colorado, and
I never saw him breat alignment on the sideline. I
never saw him cuss or scream at a coach. And
you're hearing these things like entitled and these little pieces
of the characteristics of his personality.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
When we had a number one overall.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Draft pick get arrested for being orderly and drunk, and
we had more people coming out and saying, Okay, here's
who the real Baker Mayfield is. Don't watch this video.
Don't believe that what you saw of him is who
he is. He's a good person, he's a good leader,
He's this. We had more anonymous people saying those things.
Shador Sanders never been arrested. Shaduur Sanders has never been
(11:01):
in trouble. Shadure Sanders has never misused his names to
the point of taking advantage of people. You have Johnny Manziel,
who missed the first game of his last year against
Rice for Texas A and m because he was suspended.
You have Johnny Manziel, who ended up getting a whole
documentary about how fed up he was away from the field,
(11:23):
But there was.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
No anonymous talk about him.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
There was no one coming out and saying Johnny Manziel
isn't a good person. Johnny Manziel is entitled. Johnny Manziel
has an alcohol issue. And so to me, the way
that Shaduur Sanders has been covered seems purposeful.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, so Ryan Clark's doing Ryan Clark does he's making
about race because he only mentioned white quarterbacks who he
feels like, who he feels like got to pass. By
the way, Johnny Manziel flamed out of the NFL, right
like you're using a guy who maybe they didn't do
enough background research. And oh yeah, by the way, if
we go back, Johnny Manziel was falling in that draft
(12:04):
only to have to clean the Browns jump up and
draft him in surprising fashion because the owner wanted to
do you know who the actual GM wanted to draft.
Do you remember that draft Dan Byer, who the Cleveland
Browns hired an analytics company and they had him do
all the numbers on who they should draft.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It was Teddy Bridgewater, right, Teddy Bridgewater was supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
The guy, right, And when Teddy Bridgewater was the guy,
then the owner walked in and the story goes that
a that a homeless person stopped him on the way
into the draft room. Is like, you should draft Johnny
manzil He'll fill up the stadium. And that's why they
drafted Johnny Manziel. I didn't hear him bring up JaMarcus Russell.
There wasn't background on JaMarcus Russell. DeMarcus Russell's background or
(12:52):
getting hooked on scissor up. You know that it's called
purple drank, right, which led to him being out of
the NFL. Nothing, none of that. We've had flame out
quarter a black, famous quarterbacks are white. We've had good
quarterbacks that are black. We have a good quarterbacks are white. Hey,
I remember, do you remember when Geno Smith was getting
ready to be drafted and what happened?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Then they better remember this.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Twenty thirteen, twenty.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Thirteen, there's a guy named Nolan Norocky. Okay, and Nolan
Norocky all he does is sit down and do these
He did these big draft write ups, right, big draft
right ups.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And he went through and.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
His write up on Geno Smith was simply based upon
He's not that, not that athletic, not that accurate. There's
these things that he doesn't do, his personality whatever. And
no one has ever said, hey, Nolan, who you nailed it?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No one.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Nolan Norocky was roasted over the coals because he put
his name on a scouting report that, by his sources
inside West Virginia's program and by all scout was accurate.
Geno fell to the second round end up starting with
the Jets and flamed out early, and only ten years
later has resurrected his career as he's learned from his
(14:11):
mistakes and he's matured into a likable dude that's made
an incredible career in the NFL. Like the idea that
somehow there's a racial bias to this is so far
from reality. Again, it's the same thing I said about
Eric the enemy. NFL teams are about one thing. They
(14:33):
have one agenda. There's only one thing that matters, and
that's if you win football games. If you win football games,
both the starting quarterbacks in this year's game.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
We're black men.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay, No one's carrying this like Oh my god, we
got to hold him to a different standard. You're bringing
you're doing the what about isms?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Ryan Clark curiously omits the fact that there were several
times he threw his offensive line under the bus in
press conferences over the past two years. Ryan Clark curiously
omits the fact that he didn't play late in the
Nebraska game because he was taking a beating.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
One reason he's taking a.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Beating is he won't get rid of the damn ball
and he won't get rid of the ball because he
selfishly wanted to protect the fact that he was leading
the country in completion percentage. Like can you prove racial
bias when the number one overall pick was a quarterback
and he's black, Like, it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And I think the biggest issue with people who are
who who claim racism is they do so without any
sort of proof other than arbitrary arguments which aren't like
Baker Mayfield was discussed a ton and oh yeah, by
the way, I think Baker Mayfield was held to an
incredibly high standard being the number one overall pick and
was ushered out of town for Deshaun Watson In right,
(16:03):
Deshaun Watson, Deshaun Watson, who had was it forty people
who charged him with sexual assault?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Right? Accused him of the sexual assault like forty people.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And by the way, Deshaun Watson's black nobody cared in Cleveland.
You know why because they thought Deshaun Watson could win
them football games.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Can your production outweigh your problems?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what everybody like we say, can you is the
is the juice worth the squeeze? Right? And what thirty
two teams said last night was not as the first
round pick. So Ryan Clark's job is to analyze show
us on tape?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Why show us based upon your sources?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But the idea that anonymous sources like dude Nolan o'rocky
have you seen him on any have you seen him
on any of these broadcasts. Matt Miller's now working at ESPN.
And by the way, Matt Miller got his start working
on My show twenty years ago. He was a young
guy and Jappulin, Missouri just grinding and he finally made it.
But Matt Miller never put his name on anything negative
(17:14):
towards a quarterback, so this didn't happen to him, because
that's what happens when you put your name on it,
regardless of whether or it's accurate or inaccurate.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
If you want to tell me that Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Doesn't act or carry himself in a way in which
is entitled, then you're gonna have to show me some proof,
just like you're gonna have to show me some proof
that there's somehow race comes into this. Half of the
star quarterbacks in the NFL are black men. It's such
a dated argument. If it was fifty years ago, you'd
(17:52):
have a good argument it was forty years ago. Maybe
you'd have an argument thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But we're making it about what it's not about, right,
It's about the whole package. Can you stand in front
of fifty two other dudes on a Sunday and get
them to play for you? Get them to play for you?
And oh yeah, by the way, how many jobs are
really out there available? Remember some of this is Dion
(18:22):
and Chad are doing it to themselves. They didn't want
to play in Cleveland. Okay, you don't play fighting, We'll
move on down the road.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Not a problem. Right.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What you're doing is you're limiting the number of teams
that can draft you right, Seattle doesn't need one. San
Francisco doesn't need one, Rams don't need one, Chargers don't
need one. Right, just kind of keep going through. Raiders
just signed Geno Smith. I don't need a young they
don't need a first round draft pick quarterback. They might
not need a second, all right, Commanders don't need one.
(18:53):
Giants steed one. But the Giants signed two veterans. They
signed Jameis Winston, who, Yeah, by the way, like again,
if we're holding black quarterbacks to a higher standard than
white quarterbacks, and why why did Jameis Winston go number
one overall? Jameis Winston had had a sexual assault case
that was dropped against him, wasn't he We're not holding
(19:13):
a guy to a higher stand. It's such a bull
crap argument and everybody's just tired of it. Stop going
with the argument if you want to make the argument
that his dad is too big, or coaches are scared
of having him his sign his quarterback because maybe he
wants to take his job.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right, I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Maybe that's the case with the Giants, not sure, but
going to the race argument is just tired.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It lacks validity.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And doing the what aboutism is one of the biggest
turn offs in the media. One of the biggest turn
offs by the way the Jags draft Travis Hunter. We
got to talk about them trading up for Travis Hunter
and the irony to be people being critical of it
(20:05):
when the guy who's the GM comes from the Rams.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
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Speaker 2 (20:21):
Heck, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think Lamar Jackson dropped in the draft, not just
because of his lack of accuracy in college, but you know.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
His mom was his rep.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I had teams tell me they tried to get
him in for a workout, but they couldn't get a
hold of his mom. Right, couldn't get a hold of her,
and he didn't want to work out for certain teams. Now,
the whole draft, including the Ravens, past on him. He goes,
they trade up, they trade him last pick of the
first round, and he's turned out to be a multi
time MVP, one of the greatest, probably the greatest running
(20:53):
quarterback in the history of the sport. So they do miss,
but sometimes you representation is a reason. Sometimes your presentation
is a reason. Sometimes who you are is the reason.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
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(21:40):
I understand if you're an idiot and you want to
make the correlation. Look, you have one enough games like whatever, fine,
But the number one question that I actually ask recruits.
So we've had four players signed so far in the
transport portal and we're trying to find out Actually it's
two things.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
One do you want to be here? Is this a
place you want to be? Want to be?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And two will you allow yourself to be coached. Right,
will you allow yourself to be coached? Because our job
as coaches is to put you in the best position
to succeed. So when you succeed, we succeed, we all win. Right,
do you allow yourself to be coached? And like, I
think you have to at least factor in.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
If I'm not mistaken, Dion coach Shador in high school
and in college, Like when you've only played for your dad,
And look, my dad.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Was harder on me than anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I would not wish playing for your dad if he
was my dad, because my dad was like, hey, I
got to hold you to a higher standard because everyone's
already gonna think I'm playing you only because you're my son.
And maybe that's the case with Dion, But the do
you do you want to be coached by somebody other
than your dad? And again you can think the interviews
(23:07):
mean nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
He'd be again. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
A former player of mine, right, is out in the
workforce here in Green Bay, and they did a cognitive critical.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Thinking test and he didn't score particularly well.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And one of the guys who's going to hire him
called me, this is the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox
Sports Radio Live from Green Bay, Wisconsin, Sight of the
NFL Draft. One of the guys that was getting ready
to hire him or wanted to hire him, called me.
He's like, hey, and I tell you this, but this kid,
he didn't score well in our exam. It's like a
critical thinking exam. Well, we use it to try and
(23:46):
place guys in the right jobs. You know, lots of
corporate America has this, some professional sports teams happened. He's like,
did you like him? I said, Look, here's the deal.
Bring him in, sit with him, interview him, talk with him.
I would be done if you didn't want him to
date your daughter. And so the same kid goes for
(24:08):
an interview with this guy's bosses and what was supposed
to be a fifteen to thirty minute interview goes an
hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
They're gonna hire him.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's gonna make one and a half x to two
x what we thought he would make anyway, because the
interviews matter. That we brush off these interviews like they
don't matter, Like, dude, that's everything. That's everything. We can
design robots to throw football, but your ability to look
your teammate in the eye, like yo, dude, I need
you your ability to motivate those guys to make them
(24:39):
believe in you. That's everything at point guard, at quarterback, everything.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Like it has so much less to do about talent
than people would know it really does.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And it's just stunning to me on how this narrative
has become about all these other things. And we're like, yeah,
we did an interview, well but no, no, no. There were
multiple teams that said it was the worst interview they'd
ever had.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
He acted like he didn't want to be there. He
blew him off.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And first, you not only cross off, that team crosses
you off. But everybody talks to everybody, right, everybody talks
to everybody. Like anyone in the NFL has a friend
that works for a different franchise, Like, hey, what was
he like for you? Like, dude, you should have seen this.
That guy was on his phone, he didn't care. So
(25:28):
of course you carry in that bias when it's on
the board.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Should we take.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Him acting like these things don't matter. Is especially when
you have people who are successful, right, Nick Saban, unbelievable
is successful.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Ryan Clark was super successful.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I'm sure Ryan Clark one of the reasons he originally
got his job at ESPN was in person. He's an
amazing dude, super bright, super charming. There's lots of former
players that could talk to talk, but Ryan Clark could take.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Over a room.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
But like we're making it about things, it's not about
stuck out live show here on Fox Sports Radio. Did
you see the sad news from the Price is Right?
Bob Barker dead at the age of ninety nine. Bob
Barker dead at the age of ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
This happened a while ago, it did?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yes, Damn, I'm bad. How long ago?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Probably a year or two ago?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Really? Yeah? Yeah, I just saw pop of my timeline.
I'm that guy. We'll clean that up and edit. Isn't
that your line? Jason will clean up?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
And somebody sent to me you see Bob Barker and
I was like that, I thought he was already I
did think he was already dead, but who knew?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Did you like the nice guys getting drafted last night,
Dan Byer? I?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, I did, And I think that that's what the
draft's about. And I think that there's a little something
to that with how things play out with Shador a
little bit like this is a I thought Schador's speech.
I know it's a difficult spot, and you put a
young person in the early twenties. I don't know how
I would react in that situation. I'm sure i'd probably
be bitter. I don't know how professional I would become.
(27:16):
So I don't want to hold Shdor to that because
I don't think that his speech was bad by any means.
But what I what did like really resonate is just
how emotional it is for so many players and how
each different player reacts. Like Will Campbell of the New
England Patriots draft coming out of LSU, drafted by the
Patriots at fourth overall, Like, I thought that his exchange
(27:39):
was absolutely amazing with the NFL network, and like, if
I'm a Patriots fan, I'm totally jacked.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
This was Will Campbell in that exchange.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Well you are, mister Louisiana, but you just got a
love letter from the New England Patriots. You haven't stopped
smiling since you heard your name. What's behind that smile?
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Man?
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Just all the hard work, Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I've wrote you.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That's our life to be up here, to be able
to get my name called by a franchise like knowing
how to meets everything.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
To me, we can feel that, we absolutely can feel that. Well,
you are brought to New England to protect Drake May.
What kind of tone are you going to set on
this offensive line?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I'm a fighting uh to protect them with everything all.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Got congratulations, will appreciate it. That's going fight and die.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's the one with the short arms, right, he was
the one that people made a big dealers his arm length.
I mean it was impossible not to watch him walk
up and see who's wearing pinstriped to.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Go like, arms do look short? Right?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It becomes confirmation by us when you watch a guy
walk up, be like, see you have short arms. I
thought the whole setup was cool, you know, for people
who don't know the layout, that's the Brown County expos Center,
which is so the stage is on the street that
faces Lambeau Field and the parking lot and the stairs
(29:20):
that lead up to Lambeau is where everybody's standing. Well
behind the stage is the Brown County expos Center, which
is this They made it into this gigantic green room
and then they have a tunnel that leads from the
Brown County to the stage, and that's that tunnel that
they're all running down and they had the hat check.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't know if you do this, Dan, I'm big.
When those guys don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
How to wear a hat, they're like, bro, you gotta
you don't know how to wear a hat.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Clearly not a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I like the few good stories better than how
many years ago was it when Trey Wingo was hosting
and everything was a death story? You know he had
a grandma who died early on that motivated him. You
know we had everything was death. Yesterday was everything was
a feel good, everything was feel good.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
There was another one. There's Maxwell Harrison.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You have hugged every single prospect that has been called
before you tonight, now it is your moment. How does
it feel to trade Kentucky Blue and for Buffalo Blue?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Man?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I can't believe it's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I got also thankful.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
I'm so pleased man, I'm so happy to hear my
name cause truly a dream.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Kochu.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I give all thanks to.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
God and your family.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
You love them so much that you are wearing them
with your heart and soul. Tonight show us your jack everywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They with me everywhere I go.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I love my family man, my biggest support system.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Congratulations and Western New York's gonna love you.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Let's get to work Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Pretty good.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
The pure joy of it is, I mean, it's it's
cliche to say, but it's what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's truly what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
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(31:27):
That's because Humble Bragg I live on the bay here
in Green Bay, so it's this has really been a
very cool week. You know, Lambeau is already a tourist
attraction that anytime your team pops up as Hey, you
get to play the packers you come up. But now
just the excuse for other football fans to come in,
(31:49):
especially this time of year. So Rain I believe is ending,
which means it'll be a kind of soggy but cloudy
second d of the draft tomorrow. It's gonna beautiful for
the final rounds of the draft. Before we get you
to that and get you ready for rounds two and three.
Let's get you Dan Bayer and get to the press,
the press, Wisconsin's own Dan Byer.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Thank you very much, Doug.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I am intrigued not only with these second and third rounds,
but intrigued by comments made by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell
earlier today. The commissioner, in speaking with the Pat McAfee Show,
said that he felt last night that there was something
off with the draft and that maybe, just maybe they're
(32:37):
going to look to shorten the time of first round picks.
His suggestion was going down from ten to about seven,
and then if a team needed an extra couple of
minutes that they could put in that request. But Roger
Goodell laying the groundwork to have the NFL Draft move
along even quicker.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
Yeah yeah, pick it up right to today, Junior today,
it was definitely it definitely took a long time in
between picks.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I know what else, You had a different You had
a different experience because you were there for some of
it and then watch some of it. But I was
solely from home. I've watched the draft for thirty years.
It was a better television product when it was for
a football consumer, when you had fifteen minutes for a pick.
(33:31):
And the reason I say that is because now with
social media, last night couldn't get my phone from stopping
with the alerts. They were two picks behind at times
on picks being in and insiders tweeting the picks out
where maybe number ten is on the screen and we
already know who eleven and twelve are. And I actually
(33:53):
feel that some of that is because of the quickness
of the draft. You guys talked about the criticism of
Espana believe cut off cam Ward's deal to talk about
sure Sanders, Like when you had fifteen minutes previously, you
had all the time in the world for all this breakdown,
for these highlight packages what he does well and what
(34:14):
he doesn't, and now it's just a completely different animal.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I don't know, no, I agree, it's you can always
you can always adjust, and I like to picking it up.
But I'm with you, Dan, like, there's no reason you
can't have player that analysis, you know, and then even
analysis up potential picks before the next one. In person,
it's a long time. It feels a lot longer peron
(34:38):
because remember it's not a TV show in person.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
It's home run Derby. When I would tell anybody that
goes to a home run derby for a Major League
Baseball All Star Game, it is such a made for
TV event that when you're there, there's so many dead spots.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And yeah, it was, it was yep, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
It wasn't a great watch last night because there wasn't
any pace to it.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I get it prime time. They want to fit in
that window.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
But anyway, Roger Goodall also said that the triple header
on Christmas Day is likely to be a permanent thing
moving forward. Said that the Chiefs had asked to be
a host of it on a permanent basis, but they
were denied that.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Request, of course, is a permanent thing. Do you guys
like making more money?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yes? Do you want to continue making more money? Yes?
What's the question?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Bad news to the NBA, although it has the NBA
has got their new contract because the NFL took over
Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Well, in the NFL figured out how to do Wednesday right.
They figured out a way to do it that makes
it work for their teams and having games at a
certain spot. So now you know, every six or seven
years and maybe even bigger gaps, so there's a leap year,
they're going to figure out a way to do it
on Wednesday. But that from Roger Goodell earlier today. Also
(35:53):
could see a slight changing kickoff times for the Thanksgiving
Day games with something that he mentioned, all right, Doug.
In other news, John Morant out for tomorrow's Game four
for the Memphis Grizzlies against the Thunder because of that
hip injury suffered late in the first half last night.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And that's the end of the Grizzlies season.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
How about the comeback last night from Oklahoma City though, yes,
down thirty at a half and they come back and
win the game.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Helps when John Morant isn't there. And in some good
news did pass along? It did the family of five
star USC recruit Elijah Arena says that the eighteen year
old is out of his induced coma following a car
accident on early Thursday. While Arenas remains innovated, in a statement,
the family says he has shown significant signs of progress
within the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Listen, I'm happy that he's going to be okay, that's great.
Would like to know why he was driving at five
point fifteen in the morning in his cyber truck and
hit a tree.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Just hey, maybe that's me that when you're.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Eighteen, that that sounds like one of two things, one
fell asleep to something else.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I think they're all fair questions, just maybe not at
you know, too soon.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Maybe maybe at some point that.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Looked so right soon as as soon as he's out,
you're like, all right, now, what happened?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
And that's the press?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Press?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Was the press?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
All right? Real quick? Dan? Does she do get drafted
in the second round?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yes? Yes, I don't think it's gonna be in the
first ten picks though. I don't think anybody trades up
to him. It trades up for him.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's gonna be fascinating.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm gonna vote yes. I don't know who I'm gonna vote. Yes, Uh, Boston, Orlando, Lakers, Minnesota, Tonight, Indie, Milwaukee.
I don't think Milwaukee could look any worse. I think
they gotta they gotta win tonight, extend that series. Littler
did not look sharp. I do think that that Orlando
(37:57):
can win a game, especially if per Zingis doesn't play
because he took that elbow to his head. But I
think Lakers in Minnesota, what an interesting game.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's going to be.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Right because Lebron and Luca they do get called so
usually that hurts you from winning on the road. I
still like the matchup from Minnesota. Now they have home
court advantage. All right, have a great weekend. My thanks
to everybody at the bar for hosting us all week long.
This is the Dog Gottlieb Show Live from the NFL
Draft on Fox Sports Radio.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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