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On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Live from the site of the NFL Draft, Doug talks about what makes this draft different that previous years.
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So a quick update on the weather, right because yesterday
was all things spring and you know, Jay Stu, you
don't understand what spring's like because you live in southern California.
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You have your whole life, Okay, But to people who
lived outside, like spring is right, April showers bring mayflowers.
You woke up it was pouring rain most of the day,
it was overcast, and the afternoon evening were absolutely spectacular.
Got up to like seventy four seventy five degrees today,
overcast all day, supposed to be clearing up in the
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afternoon to sixty degrees and then it'll be cool tonight,
but no rain in the forecast. Then it's going to
rain early in the morning and then a beautiful weekend.
So fears of snow because there have been snowstorms in
April in this part of Wisconsin. No snow. There will
be rain, just not during the draft unless the draft
goes till five am, at which point in time I
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think we're going to be pretty good. And then you
have kind of the interesting makeup not just of having
it outside outside Lambeau, the traveling circus that is the
NFL Draft, but then you have the fact that the
Packers they don't draft until what the twenty third pick,
And among the things that are asked constantly if you
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live anywhere in Wisconsin or walk around with the Packers fans,
will they draft a wide receiver? And of course yesterday's
rumor of George Pickens potentially being traded to the Packers
only reinvigorated that conversation. Right, do you trade for George
Pickens a second round pick and then you don't have
to draft a wide receiver in the first round. We
shall see. But I think the most interesting part of
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this draft, and again this is just me, a guy
who's covered more obviously the NFL drafts throughout my twenty
five years of doing radio. But think of how much
things are different. You know how much things are different,
And you know, when you're coaching a college basketball team,
people ask all the time like you're getting into the
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college basketball and everybody else is getting out. Well, my
thing is, it's not that different for me because I
wasn't a college basketball coach the last twenty five years.
I covered the game, I played the game, my brother
coached the game, but I didn't experience what recruiting used
to be like. So comparing it to now is not
that big a deal. But we've all watched this NFL
draft evolved into where you know, just even the thought
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of taking it on the road, would it work. It's
been a stunning success. But do we realize how much
college football has changed in just the last twelve months,
but especially in the last five years, right, because you
have guys that had this is the last year supposedly
of the COVID year senior rule, So a lot of
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teams were able to compete against higher level of competition
because you had twenty four, twenty five, sometimes twenty six
year old guys competing. And it's we're not talking about
BYU and people went on a Mormon mission that this
was fairly commonplace in college football, guys playing in their
fifth and sixth year. So you had COVID year guys
still existing in college football. You've had the transfer portal,
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which let's not blame the transfer portal, it's the fact
that there are no rules that make you sit out
a year when you transfer, so guys are at multiple schools,
sometimes two, three, four, even five or six schools. Additionally,
the Power five conferences became Power four this year, and
there's been a massive shift in the level of competition
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in the SEC in Big Ten in comparison to the ACC. Right,
the ACC SMU was in the College Football Playoff as
one of the two teams repping the ACC SMU. That
doesn't mean that they weren't a good team, but they
didn't have elite talent. But the only reason they got
there was had a bunch of money, threw it up
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money through money at guys, and had better talent than
the rest of the ACC which was kind of financially
deprived in comparison to the SEC and the Big Ten,
the Big Twelve, the SEC, and the Big Ten all
changed their leagues and in many ways expanded the number
of power for sorts of teams. That's a change. And
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we had the first ever true College Football Playoff this year.
We had an expanded field, not just four teams, had
twelve teams. So that changed what we watched, how we watched,
and when we paid attention and what we paid attention to.
So if you have that much upheaval in the same
sport and at the level that feeds your sport, in
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the NFL draft, there is very very likely lea to
be that much upheaval in the NFL Draft. Does that
Does that make sense? And if you're like that doesn't
really affect the NFL, oh really, really just do yourself
a favor and look back at last year's NFL draft. Right.
Cayleb Williams was a transfer from Oklahoma to USC. Jaden
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Daniels was a transfer from Arizona State to LSU. Now,
Drake May wasn't a transfer, but he played at at
at Drake, I mean at Drake. Excuse me, Drake May
played at at North Carolina. Michael Pennox junior was at Washington.
He was a transfer, having played previously in Indiana. Like
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last year was a quarterback draft, but part of the
bod Knicks transfer from Auburn. Those guys had played three
or four years at their previous spot and had transferred,
so they were older, so we could go through the
whole draft. But the idea that hey, this is a
weird draft just because there's not a ton of quarterbacks
that will go in the first round, and there's one
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running back, how high will he go? And we don't
know a lot of these non skill position players, Like, yeah,
all that is true, but you can't deny. And if
you do deny, you're just blind to the reality of
what's changing college football. If college football changes as much
as it has COVID to your seniors, expansion of the
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Big Ten, expansion of the SEC, plus the ACC, there's
been kind of a talent void in the ACC. Then
you factor in that a college fall playoff changes what
we watch, how we watched, what's important, how much teams
can develop guys. And then the last factor is players
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are staying in school longer. They just are Why would
you leave? I mean, look, I'll just say this about
my star players got named Anthony Roy, and Anthony Roy
desperately wanted to go in the NBA draft. Desperately want
to go in the NBA draft. But my messaging to
him and he just signed with with Oklahoma State with
Miama Mater, was Hey, dude, that's always there for you.
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But once you leave college, the college money isn't here
for you anymore. You can't go to the NBA. Get
cut like you know what, I want to try college
again doesn't work. And what we told him, which is accurate,
is you are guaranteed to make probably two ex of
what you would make if you're a second round pick
in the NBA draft. If you stay in college, you're
an idiot if you go, and you risk losing that
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when the NFL or the NBA is always there for you.
So why is the NFL draft different this year? Well,
if you are underclassmen, because if you have any eligibility
and you can get paid, you stay and get paid.
In college football, the landscape has changed in terms of
what teams are important and what teams have money, and
that's where all the teams that have players and like Again,
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here's another part to the transfer portal, which is teams
are new teams every year, completely new rosters. So the
first three or four games of the year, the stats
aren't necessarily accurate because coaches are trying to figure out
their rosters because they may or may not have spring games.
All that causes a different style of draft that we
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haven't seen before. Fewer underclassmen in this case, the quarterback
market is not great, and generally older players, but ones
that have been at multiple schools. All right, this is
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should be all right, it's a Thursday. It also is
Draft Day Thursday, so maybe we can do a kind
of draft centric portion of this. But this is Jay
Stuw's kind of own creation, own segment, and I really
like it. We call it, don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Don't call it a throwback throw back Thursday.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The year Jay stew was Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I want the listeners to everybody on the show, everybody
on the show participating, and all the people listening to
think of what you were doing in two thousand and
four and maybe more importantly, what do you know or
remember most about the sports here of two thousand and four.
The reason I bring up two thousand and four today
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is because the two thousand and four NFL Draft was
known as one of the more historically great drafts. For
those that don't remember, Eli Manning went at the top
of the draft, refused to play for the Chargers. Philip
Rivers went fourth overall, and they swapped to the Giants.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wait, can we settle something really quick? Yeah, that was
a win for the Chargers, right A. J. Smith? They
won that trade, I think. So Okay, well there, I mean,
Eli Manning is going to be in the Hall of Fame. Okay,
so too is Philip Rivers. Eli Manning went to Super Bowls.
Philip Rivers did not win anything then never got to
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a Super Bowl. So there will always be people that
say now that the Giants won that trade. But I'm
somebody that tells you I don't. I don't think so
if you remember, if you if you go back and
you think about that trade, yes, Eli Manning refused to
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refused to go there, and there's an article after article
about it. But the picks that AJ Smith got ended
up being way more valuable than just a quarterback. Now,
no one else has had the lower intestinal fortitude to
do it. But uh, it's the threat that has kept
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gms from drafting some players in the past. But like, look,
you you go and read I was reading this Bleacher
Report thing on it, and I'm like, yeah, well the
Giants won that trade, Like, no, they didn't. The Chargers
for the Eli Manning pick. Okay, not only got Philip Rivers,
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they got Nate Caating was a great kicker, Sean Merriman
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
His name is dragg through the mud all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Why is his name drafted the mud?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Hey kting? Yeah, because of his playoff misses. Great kicker
at Iowa though, hell of a kicker, grows a winner,
but he made some big kicks, but he made a
lot of He had a lot of misses in crucial times,
so he is. I've talked to many Chargers fans who like,
never mentioned that name again anyway.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Really yeah, yeah, alright, anyway, Jets, I think, yeah, but
you're right, the names drafted there, Eli Manning, Larry Fitzgerald,
Philip Rivers, the late Sean Taylor, Ben Roethlisberger. That's just
in the top eleven of the draft alone, Top eleven
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of the draft alone, pretty big time stuff. I think
two thousand and four is remember for one thing in sports,
that's the Red Sox comeback, right. The Red Sox are
down three games and none, they got blown out in
Game three. They come back and with the help of
the now Dodger manager, they win Game four and complete
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the greatest comeback in the history of sports. Like I think,
when you start two thousand and four, and I get it,
you could make the argument Jace too, And I don't
know if you were that it's in any conversation of
great drafts of all time. You're right, right, you're right,
but two thousand and four was inarguably the greatest comeback
in the history of sports. In the playoffs, Monts, what
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do you remember about two thousand and four?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
All right, well, I was in high school. I was
in high school, but I do remember the Red Sox
winning that World Series, And you know, I remember watching
the Super Bowl and seeing the wardrobe malfunction.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Jannet Jackson and.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Justin Timberlake and being like, did that really just happen?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yes, Like it happened so fast that you were almost like,
did I make that up in my head.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
I remember, and I was watching it with my family
and so I was like, does that happen or are
we tripping? But then we're like no, no, if we're
all tripping' then it happened.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But that that was a crazy.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Moment, that that brack Cup was spring loaded. I will
die on that hill. It had a prop in it
as spring I guess think king flying off.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They had that ready to go.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It wasn't it was dramatic, it was good. I don't
think it hurt their careers. No, I remember a lot
of FCC complaints.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
The only thing, the only thing it hurt is it
hurt the Super Bowl halftime shows for like the next
fifteen years, right before they went super conservative.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Don't try anything, don't.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Super conservative, super conservative.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
I wonder how many people were in on that. Was
it just JT Jan Jackson and maybe like another person
who was like, yeah, I'll springload this braw for you.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well remember that was didn't MTV produce the halftime show.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
At that time?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Let me see.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Well if they did, then credit to MTV doing something
that was probably the last cool and scandalous, controversial thing
they did as a network.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You are correct, coach. It was produced by MTV.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, and that was the last and that was the
last we heard of MTV.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Now it's just reruns of ridonculous or whatever, ridiculous, ridiculousness,
ridiculous teen Mom and Catfish. Right. Yeah, I don't know
what they do. I don't watch MTV anymore. But anyway, Monte,
what else.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
They used to have music videos on MTV.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
They used to you know what if they were Jason,
I know usually handle this part, but I think that
if you're watching MTV in two thousand and four, yeah,
you would have heard this song, which was number one
on the billboards that year.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Nice song, very high school.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Can I just say this, there's like five songs that
I could just go the rest of my life without
hearing again because I've heard them so many times, and
this is probably number one.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh no, yeah, no, play so many.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Times and it's a good song, so many times.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Party song, but I've heard it so many times. I'm like, no,
I don't need to hear it ever again.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Sam, watch this, watch this. Here's proof that you're wrong. Okay,
kill the music, real quick, kill kill the music, real quick.
Good Okay, now, run it again, play it again, play
it again, play again.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Till maybe it's a little doo doo do do. It
just gets kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Who doesn't like this?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You didn't say I didn't like it. I've said I've
heard it so many times. It's like hearing we are
that you said you said of.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
The five songs in in life that you would be
okay with never hearing again, this would be number one.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
That's exactly what you said, just because I've heard it
so many I.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Call I call BS, I call be s. Play Macarena
and tell me how much that ruins the rest of
your day. Probably in there as well, right, said Fred
to section other songs.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I don't think I can play I'm too sexy to
me time hold on.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh here's what I want you to do. Play macarena. Okay,
it'll get in your head. Tomorrow we'll do the show.
I'm like, hey, how do you feel about playing Mockert
You're like, damn it, it's all day and I hate
that song.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I'll put together the most overplayed songs on a playlist,
and I listen to it all day and see which
one drives me the point of insanity.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Two thousand and four. We can bring down this one.
Two thousand and four was interesting year at the movies.
Two chick flicks. One was really based on Monsey Blanios's
high school years. Mean Girls Nice the year, such a
good movie. And and this this is Sam's favorite is
the Notebook. The Notebook was two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Once, I don't need to see it again.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The Notebooks. Yeah, hey, babe, babe, what do you think
about watching The Notebook?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I watched it with my high school girlfriend. Actually I
was a junior in high school.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Napoleon Dynamite was that year. Anchor Man Akerman was two
thousand and four. Wow, that easily. You know, there's if
you want to know a movie that is over quoted
by every man ever? Is Anchorman? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yeah, yeah it is? Yeah, any like Will Ferrell. Early
two thousands movies were super popular, kind of brought comedies
back into the you know, the top grossing films category,
or at least for comedies. Definitely Anchorman's one of them.
But he left out Shrek two, which is number one.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
You left out Dodgeball. Dodgeball to me is underrated. Dodgeball
is so good?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, where was it rated to be underrated? I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I just I what I mean by that is, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Think it's given credit for how funny it actually is.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, I think it's. I think it's Uh, there's a
lot of it's. It's a heavily quoted movie, you.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Think, so, maybe it's just not surrounded by people who
quote it correct.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You're surrounded by girls. Girls don't quote Godswall, guys quote
Dodgeball and Anchorman.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, okay, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Okay, Ben Stiller is great, Ben still is. Playing an
evil guy in a comedy is always good.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball,
that's very good.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Deally departed, ripped torn, if I'm not mistaken, ripped.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Horn was in there, was in there. Yeah, Moncie, you
keep listen, you keep throwing out Dodgeball, uh, Dodgeball quotes,
and like you're going to open the door to Supovida
and there's gonna be guys waiting outside the date chair.
Oh well, uh, that's that's that's what I happened.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, I will wave at them, wave to them as
I drive away.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, it was an interesting year. The movies National Man
on Fire and you want to get to your Denzel update.
Man on Fire was pretty good. Born Supremacy was that years.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I love the Born Trill, Like, what is it four
movies now five? Whatever it is. The first three are
so good.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'll be that guy. You know it's better, you know,
it's better than those movies.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
The books, oh, nice, nice the books.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
The books.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
They usually the books are because they have more details
than they have more usually.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
They always are. But like, yeah, it's just like who's
got time to read a book?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Well, you know, if you read a book, Doug put
you to sleep. So when you wake up randomly at
three in the morning, you need to pick up one
of the Boorn books and hey, you.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Know one of the you know, put you right back.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
There was a one hit wonder that year. Remember who hoobastank?
The reason Hoobastank was a band?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
The reason and the reason is you is that the
Yeah they're.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
From the they're from the valley too, They're from like
a Goura Hills.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I don't know what whobistank means, but it's kind offensive
to me and just whatever it means, it just doesn't
it doesn't sit well in my brain. I think they
had like a one hit album kind of deal, like
they had a couple of their big ones, but we
didn't really hear much from them after. I think they're
still touring. I think they're still out there, but hubis stank. Yeah.
Also this song, very popular song, one I'm not sick
(22:45):
of yet.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, the outcast for him.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They need to reunite.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
They were great big boy and three no question, Jase,
you've been kind of quiet on Uh, don't call it
a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You know what this song does. But if you ever
want to get a bunch of a crowd of white
people to dance, just play this song.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I like that. That's a good call.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Once the song comes on at wedding receptions or in
a bar, white people find their out of rhythm and
they just get up and they dance uninhibitedly white people.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yukon won the National Championship a mecca ocuphor was the
m op.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
The pot of four was like this year in San Antonio,
we got baseball, we got football, anything else in sports,
and four was the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Right, but also going back to college football, of course
was it usc just trouncing Oklahoma, but they and it
was of course hidden away because of the Reggie Bush stuff.
And then I think we all know who the champion was. Well,
but what did did I might be mistaken. Did Auburn
go undefeated? Five or four?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It was one of those I don't know if you
guys remember, but the four Olympics, Argentina won the gold medal. Ah,
that was that year. Yeah, cry for me Argentina. Mano
Genobili leading Argantina Nice Mana Genobili and Luis Scola Nice,
Carlos Delfino, Walter Erman was demon.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Hey Mana Genobili, it was having I think he had
a great couple of years around that time, early two thousands,
Mano Genobilis winning NBA champions He was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, he was the man.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Let's let's also not lose track of this, Okay, that
that US team won a bronze medal. Allen Iverson, Stefan Marbury,
Dwayne Way, Carlos Boozer, Mellow lebron A, Mecca o Befo,
Sean Murrion, Amario Sandomar, Tim Duncan, Lamar Odom, Richard Jefferson, Like,
that's an unbelievable roster. They won the bronze medal, losing
(25:11):
Stevon Marbury, Allen Iverson, losing players, losing players, losing players. Sorry,
what who want?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Who did they? Who got silver that year?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Uh? Italy, italy? Okay, yeah, but Argentina beat us.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Argentina is the one who.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Beat Scott so Larry Brown and the Detroit Pistons won
the title.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But that's not really the story.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
The story is that the the Lakers were going for
their fourth straight NBA title. It was, as people have referenced,
railroaded by a court date in.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Eagle, Colorado.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
And then after the season, Kobe did this thing where
he said, I want to play for the Clippers. He
had this power move within the organization and the Lakers
traded Shaquille O'Neill. And the summer of two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That was a wild year, wild wild year, wild year.
It was also remember the Lakers they lost four in
row two they didn't they win game one and then
lost four in row. And that was also you know, uh,
Carl Malone hit on Kobe's wife. There was all kinds
of restrangs. Like you guys are making our brain all
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of these stories.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's like a blast from the past.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
You gotta be wary of the mailman, you know, and
the ups driver and the you know FedEx driver and
all those guys.
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Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's a Doug Outleab show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I do think we got to talk about the Shannon
Sharp thing at some point. Uh, we'll get into that
in game time, well, when we bring in the lovely
Montcy Belangias. The Clefbic Cavaliers are up two games to
none on the Miami Heat. This is their one of
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their stars, their guard Darius Garland. He was asked after
the game about their game plan and how they've been
able to go up two games to none. Take a listen,
Miami's been really good at turning teams over.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
But the first two games, you guys have really hold
on to it. What's the key to playing clean basketball
like that against a team with that.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Pick on Tyler hero and take care of doable, don't
play in tight spaces, can't pick on their weak defenders?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Go at them? Yeah, pick on Tyler Hero. I mean,
by the way, Tyler Hero from Wisconsin, it's a U,
but there's a I mean, that's the level of honesty.
It'll go down as billboard material. It's not a secret.
Watch the game, that's what they do. But saying the
quiet out loud is kind of fascinating. Hey, like Cay
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Hero couldn't guard the chair I'm sitting on right that
you almost feel like Darius Carland's gonna break that out next?
What's the key to beating my meat? Pick on tayther Hero,
pick on their board defenders and pick on tylther Hero.
Did I mention Tyler Hero as a poor defender? I
think I did. Let's get the Manzie Blonda, just get
a quick update. Months. What have got? Oh? Okay months?
(28:25):
He's getting a little trouble with her microphone. Hey, I
wanted to Chase. Do I want to ask you? Okay?
So here's the latest statement. This is from Shannon Sharp. Right,
I think I don't necessarily believe I have to I
have to rehash the story, right, Jase du do you
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think we need to rehash the entirety of the story
with with in regards to Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I think, according to basic radio fundamentals, you do. But okay,
if you choose not to.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No no, no, social Shannon Sharp was sued for fifty million dollars.
Like again, it's been there have been a lot of
Shannon Sharp here this last week, and I'll defend myself
in one second as part of it. So Shannon has
his Club Shase Shape podcast and it's been successful. Then
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there was a story out that he was going to
his contract was up with Collins Podcast. Now that's the
Volume podcast network, and when it's up, he could get
up to one hundred million dollars to bring his Club
Shay Shape podcast over somewhere else. Two days later, and
I believe it was Monday of this week because that
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story came out late last weekend last weekend, So Monday
of this week he was being sued for fifty million
dollars for alleged sexual assault. So then Tuesday he published
a video saying it was consensual and anything that comes out,
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including a sex tape, is edited. Then there are two
different audio conversations, which, by the way, are two of
the most boring phone calls you're ever going to hear, Right,
boring phone calls. You're ever going to hear like people
say they say two words to each other and then
long pregnant pause, then two words to each other than
long pregnant pause. That's one of those. I can't believe
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if you're on the phone with somebody and you don't
have anything to say, why are you on the phone
with somebody? Anyway? I thought the weirdest part was Larry Davis,
who's who's Shannon's lawyer, said that they tried to settle
this for tens of millions of dollars and she turned
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it down. Why is Larry Davis admitting that they tried
to settle this thing for tens of millions of dollars
while at the same time proclaiming it proclaiming his innocence. Yeah,
that one's weird. And then this about an hour ago
from from Shannon Sharp. My statement is found here, and
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this is the truth. The relationship in question was one
hundred percent consensual at this juncture. I'm electing to step
aside temporarily from my ESPN duties. I'm devoting this time
to my family and responding and dealing with the false
and disruptive allegations set against me. I plan to return
to ESPN the start of the NFL preseason. I sincerely
appreciate the overwhelming and ongoing support I've received from my family, friends,
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and colleagues. Shannon Sharp, Jace, You've been doing this a
long time. Does he return to ESPN?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I don't believe.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
So.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I don't believe Disney. I don't believe Disney lets him back.
Because I said this after the Trevor Bauer thing. He'll
never picture the Dodgers again because of the things that
he's admitted to, whether it's consensual or not, the details
themselves are pretty horrific if you are the run on
the bill, you know, Midwest family man. So I don't
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think he goes back to Disney. But that's my good.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah. I again, I just think it's so interesting, you know,
it's really interesting, and part of me is like, dude,
Tony Busby, he does have another guy in his crosshairs.
Here's where I woke up this morning and Jayseus tell
me if this makes sense to you. You know, Dan
Patrick was talking about whether any publicity was good publicity
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with me in regards to Green Bay basketball, and the
answer is not all publicity is good. Publicity. This is
clearly not good publicity, right, But that was kind of
my point with Dan, and maybe I didn't make it
clear enough, was like, what is bad publicity that we
lost basketball games? Like, that's not bad publicity. It was
(32:55):
a bad publicity that Lebron is trolling me and tweeting
at me because I said I didn't think his son
was an NBA player, Like, again, that's not really bad publicity.
This is bad publicity. Anytime you're talking about your sex
life with a woman who is almost forty years it's
forty years or thirty years younger than you, thirty years
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younger than you, and some of the other things that
are discussed, and you're talking about choking woman like that
is bad publicity. So the answer is no, all publicity
is not good bublicity. This is bad publicity. But I
would also point out that this is bad not anything
about my team losing games as bad publisity. Stut Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Ryan Hollands Joints Yess
(33:39):
Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts, he played ten years in
the NBA, and Ryan, I love Darius Garland saying in
the quiet part out loud, Hey, what's your What's what's
the game plan that has allowed to you guys succeed.
He's like attack Tayler Hero, go at the week defenders,
attack Tayler Hero. Isn't really that simple when when you're
(34:01):
talking about game plans, get ready for NBA playoff games
like you played it.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
It is and it's also a sign of recept when
you have a guy that is a main portion of
the offense. Here's the thing for Houston where maybe not
our guys are maybe not that advanced offensively, but the
game plan is attacked Curry. Now, make no mistakee Curry
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has improved significantly on the defensive end, and you know
those are the steps that he had to make.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
But when you get into the playoffs and.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
There's a weak link out there, you find that weak link.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
And you abuse it.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
And against a guy like Hero, sometimes the best defense
on him is your offense, making him work, taking his
legs away.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
What's wrong with the Bucks?
Speaker 8 (34:55):
Well, first off, Damian Leonard, you know with the that's
an issue. Before that, you know, you fire your head
coach and you're still trying to find a way. And
I haven't heard this from anybody, but I know from
my time of playing in the NBA, being a leader
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isn't easy. And there's hints that you get from Gianni's
having one foot in and one foot out, or you know,
maybe not thinking things would be as simple as they are.
But when you're in a position as a great player
and you have to lead an organizations, you got to
(35:38):
rally the troops behind you, those expectations are different versus
just coming out playing hard and doing your job. When
the guys in that locker room know that you have
decisions that can be made to have somebody on the team.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Or not, that responsibility is different.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
So when they look at Lebron James, when you criticize
Lebron and Lebron you know, legm, those comics, those things
come out. Lebron is delivered a championship wearing those shoes,
and it's hard shoes to still when someone get traded
or something happens, so they're gonna come at you, and
that's the way they're looking at Yannis. So I'm not
saying that's why they're losing. Yeah, but that leadership role
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along with success is a lot different.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Dougs.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I agree with you, it's heavy as a head that
wears a crown is the Shakespeare expression. Ryan Holmes, our
guest ten years in the NBA, covers Rockets games throughout
the year for the Houston Rockets, and of course he
also is our Fox Sports Radio NBA insider. Jimmy Butler
goes down and so too to the Warriors. But the Warriors,
(36:43):
did you know complete the task that everybody says, Hey,
let's just go get a split when we're on the road.
What's your sense of that series as it heads back
to San Francisco?
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Man for one, like Doug, you saw this and you
just said it. You saw this coming from a Milo.
Steve Kurt was gonna pump this game.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
You gotta understand from the Warriors standpoint, as soon as
they got Jimmy Butler, they had to work so hard
just to get into the playoffs. They they had bumps
and bruises to get to this point. And ultimately E
may knew that.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
So Emy said, we're young. I don't want to say
young and dumb, but.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Our guys are young and inexperienced to try to find
their ways. So you know what if maybe we lose
Game one because our guys hadn't seen it.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
But we're taking a pound of flesh with us as
they went after.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
Golden States, and Steve Kerr made his mind up that
he's gonna play Jimmy forty minutes.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
That's getting thirty five.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
Jonathan Kminga's not gonna stand gonna get substantial minutes. And
ultimately the lack of development with Jonathan Kamina is coming
back to bite the Warriors and the lack of trust
because Jimmy walked off the floor. Is there a chance
that Jimmy could have played go I've stepped in this play, absolutely,
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but they're a factor where it just wasn't worth it
and the body said no. On top of that, on
top of that foul.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You know what, Doug, you.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
Follow in your telebone battles up your fine, But Jimmy
probably stepped into that game banged up and injured, likely
with Draymunt and lightly with Furry.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Also Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, coming
to you from the Bar which is just outside of
lambeau Field, the Bar on Holmgren. Feel free to stop
buy if you're listening to us anywhere in Wisconsin. My
guest is Ryan is a dude who won a good friend,
but two tremendous player Ryan Hollins play at UCLA, played
(38:44):
ten years in the league, covers the Rockets and the
rest of the NBA of local TV and nationally here
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to the Lakers. Game one,
they can't guard Minnesota couldn't guard him. Game two more physical, right,
and obviously the tim Bowles don't make I don't know
what they made twenty one threes in the first game,
(39:04):
but the tim Bowles did get one out of two.
Give me your senses this as this series resets and
gets back to the Twin Cities. What your thoughts are
in this matchup? Now that we've seen both teams, the
teams play twice, I think.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
The chess match is gonna start. And we knew Doug.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
The challenge for the Lakers was energy, Like, if you're
playing against Luca and Lebron, and Luca Luca may still
be a worse athlete than a forty year old Lebron
energy wise on both ends, but you're going to beat
the Lakers with your energy. Now, ultimately, Minnesota has this
(39:43):
series in hand if they can take care of two
at home. But I'm not going to be surprised if
Luca Donson slays his best game as a Laker and
hear me when I say this on the road up
in Minnesota, and those guys go and take care of business, Anthony.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Edwards, I genuinely do. But when he.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Learns how to really play the game of basketball and
slow down and play with pace, and how to attack
defenses and learn the reads that teams are given, him's
going to be unstoppable. It's just not there yet at
this stage in his career. Now, a guy who could
really flipped the series from Minnesota would be Julius Randalls.
(40:26):
But ultimately, right now, I don't think that Minnesota has
enough and I do think that Lakers probably take one.
I think it ends up being seven. But I think
that ultimately you're going to see the experience from Luca
and Lebron play out.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
This thing is going to slow down.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
They're going to walk the ball up the floor, Doug,
and I do think that LA makes the game very
physical and they end up taking it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
So you like the Lakers to win playing physical on
the road. I've just you know, it's so weird. Ryan,
you watch these series, You watch Game one, and then
you watch Game two, and it looks like completely different teams,
completely different matchups. What about the Clippers and Denver? I mean,
I like you and I know how good Kawhi is.
But now we're playing, we're watching Pete Kawhi. They return home,
(41:14):
they got two against against Denver, and Denver's been kind
of a mess. Can the Clippers actually close out the series?
Can they win the now? Maybe I can they? Will
they win this series?
Speaker 8 (41:26):
Doug? It was scary outside of my rockets, they may
come out the West and the reason we're all kind.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
Of dumbfound and come me if I'm wrong. Kawhi looks
like the darn best player on the planet. See he
looks so good.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
It was almost like, okay, guys, I posted in game one,
I was going to fill it out. You need to
take over mode. I still have that in the bag
and I can do it now. We've been here before, Doug.
Kawhi Leonard plays unbelievable. You get news out of the
game that he's done for the season, so hopefully that
doesn't happened. But with him being who he is and
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the lack of defense in Denver without right Malone and
just probably age and not able to retool defensively off
their bench.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
I like the Clippers the way Zubox is played. I
like the Clippers. They have enough.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
It's a tough matchup, and that series is one that
everyone may not be looking at that he just says,
Oh my god, like some really good basketball that we're
seeing being played. And it's only the first round. But
the Western Conference has loaded.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
But I think Kawai coming back and shocked all of us.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Done.
Speaker 7 (42:41):
Guys were supposed to be slowing down, missing a step.
I'm wondering what his physical therapist has him doing up.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
Maybe we should take some fits from them, But but
why Leonard is really looking unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
When we saw him a week.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Before the playoffs started, our guys went down there and
played them, and he did the same thing. You know,
he still has those furts with he can like he
can just truly take over.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, he's he looks awesome. And I'm a big Tyler guy.
I think Tyler's as good as any any coacher is
in the NBA. Anybody beating Oklahoma City, Oh yes, it's.
Speaker 7 (43:18):
All about matchup, Doug. So for Houston.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
The reason Houston would match up well with oak Lahoma City?
Why because they have the use, they can pound them
in times.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
He's got two bigs that.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Can attack chet Holmgren and the energy to keep up.
One thing that you're going to see, Doug, is the
playoffs going on. It's a vallid nutrition. Some of these
older players aren't going to be able to make it through.
Oklahoma City is much better, much more experienced than they
were a year ago. They still have their work cutout
at the end of the day. Shay is unbelievable, There's
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no question there.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
But I think their holes.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
But you have to find them right or excuse me
better yet wrong matchup for Oklahoma City, and it's going
to have to be a team that has some juice inside.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, I guess the only way to beat him is
to beat him up inside. And I just don't know
outside of Denver if that, if that team exists, and
I don't know if Denver has the depths to beat
them in the playoffs either, And I don't know, like you,
if Denver is even going to survive survive the LA Clippers,
so he even knows, right, well, then.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Let me say this to you, Doug.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
Oddly enough, if Houston, Houston's toughest matchup is probably right
now against Golden State.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Sure, I don't think they would have problems. And it
may sound a wild.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
Houston gets Oklahoma City, They're going to be very comfortable
in that matchup. And it's just the way matchups work
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, no question it is. The playoffs are about matchups
as well as about health, and the Rockets have health
right now. We'll see if they get out of this
matchup into a more favorable one. Ryan Hollins, of course,
covers games for the Houston Rockets all year and he's
our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. Ryan, thanks so much
for join us. Really appreci yet it any time. Dogs
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So a quick update on the weather, right because yesterday
was all things spring and you know, Jay Stu, you
don't understand what spring's like because you live in southern California.
(01:34):
You have your whole life, Okay, But to people who
lived outside, like spring is right, April showers bring mayflowers.
You woke up it was pouring rain most of the day,
it was overcast, and the afternoon evening were absolutely spectacular.
Got up to like seventy four seventy five degrees today,
overcast all day, supposed to be clearing up in the
(01:55):
afternoon to sixty degrees and then it'll be cool tonight,
but no rain in the forecast. Then it's going to
rain early in the morning and then a beautiful weekend.
So fears of snow because there have been snowstorms in
April in this part of Wisconsin. No snow. There will
be rain, just not during the draft unless the draft
goes till five am, at which point in time I
(02:16):
think we're going to be pretty good. And then you
have kind of the interesting makeup not just of having
it outside outside Lambeau, the traveling circus that is the
NFL Draft, but then you have the fact that the
Packers they don't draft until what the twenty third pick,
And among the things that are asked constantly if you
(02:37):
live anywhere in Wisconsin or walk around with the Packers fans,
will they draft a wide receiver? And of course yesterday's
rumor of George Pickens potentially being traded to the Packers
only reinvigorated that conversation. Right, do you trade for George
Pickens a second round pick and then you don't have
to draft a wide receiver in the first round. We
shall see. But I think the most interesting part of
(03:00):
this draft, and again this is just me, a guy
who's covered more obviously the NFL drafts throughout my twenty
five years of doing radio. But think of how much
things are different. You know how much things are different,
And you know, when you're coaching a college basketball team,
people ask all the time like you're getting into the
(03:20):
college basketball and everybody else is getting out. Well, my
thing is, it's not that different for me because I
wasn't a college basketball coach the last twenty five years.
I covered the game, I played the game, my brother
coached the game, but I didn't experience what recruiting used
to be like. So comparing it to now is not
that big a deal. But we've all watched this NFL
draft evolved into where you know, just even the thought
(03:44):
of taking it on the road, would it work. It's
been a stunning success. But do we realize how much
college football has changed in just the last twelve months,
but especially in the last five years, right, because you
have guys that had this is the last year supposedly
of the COVID year senior rule, So a lot of
(04:04):
teams were able to compete against higher level of competition
because you had twenty four, twenty five, sometimes twenty six
year old guys competing. And it's we're not talking about
BYU and people went on a Mormon mission that this
was fairly commonplace in college football, guys playing in their
fifth and sixth year. So you had COVID year guys
still existing in college football. You've had the transfer portal,
(04:26):
which let's not blame the transfer portal, it's the fact
that there are no rules that make you sit out
a year when you transfer, so guys are at multiple schools,
sometimes two, three, four, even five or six schools. Additionally,
the Power five conferences became Power four this year, and
there's been a massive shift in the level of competition
(04:51):
in the SEC in Big Ten in comparison to the ACC. Right,
the ACC SMU was in the College Football Playoff as
one of the two teams repping the ACC SMU. That
doesn't mean that they weren't a good team, but they
didn't have elite talent. But the only reason they got
there was had a bunch of money, threw it up
(05:12):
money through money at guys, and had better talent than
the rest of the ACC which was kind of financially
deprived in comparison to the SEC and the Big Ten,
the Big Twelve, the SEC, and the Big Ten all
changed their leagues and in many ways expanded the number
of power for sorts of teams. That's a change. And
(05:34):
we had the first ever true College Football Playoff this year.
We had an expanded field, not just four teams, had
twelve teams. So that changed what we watched, how we watched,
and when we paid attention and what we paid attention to.
So if you have that much upheaval in the same
sport and at the level that feeds your sport, in
(05:57):
the NFL draft, there is very very likely lea to
be that much upheaval in the NFL Draft. Does that
Does that make sense? And if you're like that doesn't
really affect the NFL, oh really, really just do yourself
a favor and look back at last year's NFL draft. Right.
Cayleb Williams was a transfer from Oklahoma to USC. Jaden
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Daniels was a transfer from Arizona State to LSU. Now,
Drake May wasn't a transfer, but he played at at
at Drake, I mean at Drake. Excuse me, Drake May
played at at North Carolina. Michael Pennox junior was at Washington.
He was a transfer, having played previously in Indiana. Like
(06:46):
last year was a quarterback draft, but part of the
bod Knicks transfer from Auburn. Those guys had played three
or four years at their previous spot and had transferred,
so they were older, so we could go through the
whole draft. But the idea that hey, this is a
weird draft just because there's not a ton of quarterbacks
that will go in the first round, and there's one
(07:06):
running back, how high will he go? And we don't
know a lot of these non skill position players, Like, yeah,
all that is true, but you can't deny. And if
you do deny, you're just blind to the reality of
what's changing college football. If college football changes as much
as it has COVID to your seniors, expansion of the
(07:28):
Big Ten, expansion of the SEC, plus the ACC, there's
been kind of a talent void in the ACC. Then
you factor in that a college fall playoff changes what
we watch, how we watched, what's important, how much teams
can develop guys. And then the last factor is players
(07:49):
are staying in school longer. They just are Why would
you leave? I mean, look, I'll just say this about
my star players got named Anthony Roy, and Anthony Roy
desperately wanted to go in the NBA draft. Desperately want
to go in the NBA draft. But my messaging to
him and he just signed with with Oklahoma State with
Miama Mater, was Hey, dude, that's always there for you.
(08:13):
But once you leave college, the college money isn't here
for you anymore. You can't go to the NBA. Get
cut like you know what, I want to try college
again doesn't work. And what we told him, which is accurate,
is you are guaranteed to make probably two ex of
what you would make if you're a second round pick
in the NBA draft. If you stay in college, you're
an idiot if you go, and you risk losing that
(08:34):
when the NFL or the NBA is always there for you.
So why is the NFL draft different this year? Well,
if you are underclassmen, because if you have any eligibility
and you can get paid, you stay and get paid.
In college football, the landscape has changed in terms of
what teams are important and what teams have money, and
that's where all the teams that have players and like Again,
(08:56):
here's another part to the transfer portal, which is teams
are new teams every year, completely new rosters. So the
first three or four games of the year, the stats
aren't necessarily accurate because coaches are trying to figure out
their rosters because they may or may not have spring games.
All that causes a different style of draft that we
(09:19):
haven't seen before. Fewer underclassmen in this case, the quarterback
market is not great, and generally older players, but ones
that have been at multiple schools. All right, this is
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a downer that the Titans of the number one pick, right,
I get the Titans used to be the Oilers, but
it still seems like a very random team to have
the number one overall pick. Like how much more interest
would there be in this draft if the Giants drafted
number one overall or the Patriots drafted un overall or
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should be all right, it's a Thursday. It also is
Draft Day Thursday, so maybe we can do a kind
of draft centric portion of this. But this is Jay
Stuw's kind of own creation, own segment, and I really
like it. We call it, don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Don't call it a throwback throw back Thursday.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The year Jay stew was Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I want the listeners to everybody on the show, everybody
on the show participating, and all the people listening to
think of what you were doing in two thousand and
four and maybe more importantly, what do you know or
remember most about the sports here of two thousand and four.
The reason I bring up two thousand and four today
(12:08):
is because the two thousand and four NFL Draft was
known as one of the more historically great drafts. For
those that don't remember, Eli Manning went at the top
of the draft, refused to play for the Chargers. Philip
Rivers went fourth overall, and they swapped to the Giants.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wait, can we settle something really quick? Yeah, that was
a win for the Chargers, right A. J. Smith? They
won that trade, I think. So Okay, well there, I mean,
Eli Manning is going to be in the Hall of Fame. Okay,
so too is Philip Rivers. Eli Manning went to Super Bowls.
Philip Rivers did not win anything then never got to
(12:48):
a Super Bowl. So there will always be people that
say now that the Giants won that trade. But I'm
somebody that tells you I don't. I don't think so
if you remember, if you if you go back and
you think about that trade, yes, Eli Manning refused to
(13:09):
refused to go there, and there's an article after article
about it. But the picks that AJ Smith got ended
up being way more valuable than just a quarterback. Now,
no one else has had the lower intestinal fortitude to
do it. But uh, it's the threat that has kept
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gms from drafting some players in the past. But like, look,
you you go and read I was reading this Bleacher
Report thing on it, and I'm like, yeah, well the
Giants won that trade, Like, no, they didn't. The Chargers
for the Eli Manning pick. Okay, not only got Philip Rivers,
(13:52):
they got Nate Caating was a great kicker, Sean Merriman
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
His name is dragg through the mud all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Why is his name drafted the mud?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Hey kting? Yeah, because of his playoff misses. Great kicker
at Iowa though, hell of a kicker, grows a winner,
but he made some big kicks, but he made a
lot of He had a lot of misses in crucial times,
so he is. I've talked to many Chargers fans who like,
never mentioned that name again anyway.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Really yeah, yeah, alright, anyway, Jets, I think, yeah, but
you're right, the names drafted there, Eli Manning, Larry Fitzgerald,
Philip Rivers, the late Sean Taylor, Ben Roethlisberger. That's just
in the top eleven of the draft alone, Top eleven
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of the draft alone, pretty big time stuff. I think
two thousand and four is remember for one thing in sports,
that's the Red Sox comeback, right. The Red Sox are
down three games and none, they got blown out in
Game three. They come back and with the help of
the now Dodger manager, they win Game four and complete
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the greatest comeback in the history of sports. Like I think,
when you start two thousand and four, and I get it,
you could make the argument Jace too, And I don't
know if you were that it's in any conversation of
great drafts of all time. You're right, right, you're right,
but two thousand and four was inarguably the greatest comeback
in the history of sports. In the playoffs, Monts, what
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do you remember about two thousand and four?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
All right, well, I was in high school. I was
in high school, but I do remember the Red Sox
winning that World Series, And you know, I remember watching
the Super Bowl and seeing the wardrobe malfunction.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Jannet Jackson and.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Justin Timberlake and being like, did that really just happen?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yes, Like it happened so fast that you were almost like,
did I make that up in my head.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
I remember, and I was watching it with my family
and so I was like, does that happen or are
we tripping? But then we're like no, no, if we're
all tripping' then it happened.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But that that was a crazy.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Moment, that that brack Cup was spring loaded. I will
die on that hill. It had a prop in it
as spring I guess think king flying off.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They had that ready to go.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It wasn't it was dramatic, it was good. I don't
think it hurt their careers. No, I remember a lot
of FCC complaints.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
The only thing, the only thing it hurt is it
hurt the Super Bowl halftime shows for like the next
fifteen years, right before they went super conservative.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Don't try anything, don't.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Super conservative, super conservative.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
I wonder how many people were in on that. Was
it just JT Jan Jackson and maybe like another person
who was like, yeah, I'll springload this braw for you.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well remember that was didn't MTV produce the halftime show.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
At that time?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Let me see.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Well if they did, then credit to MTV doing something
that was probably the last cool and scandalous, controversial thing
they did as a network.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You are correct, coach. It was produced by MTV.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, and that was the last and that was the
last we heard of MTV.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Now it's just reruns of ridonculous or whatever, ridiculous, ridiculousness,
ridiculous teen Mom and Catfish. Right. Yeah, I don't know
what they do. I don't watch MTV anymore. But anyway, Monte,
what else.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
They used to have music videos on MTV.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
They used to you know what if they were Jason,
I know usually handle this part, but I think that
if you're watching MTV in two thousand and four, yeah,
you would have heard this song, which was number one
on the billboards that year.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Nice song, very high school.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Can I just say this, there's like five songs that
I could just go the rest of my life without
hearing again because I've heard them so many times, and
this is probably number one.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh no, yeah, no, play so many.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Times and it's a good song, so many times.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Party song, but I've heard it so many times. I'm like, no,
I don't need to hear it ever again.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Sam, watch this, watch this. Here's proof that you're wrong. Okay,
kill the music, real quick, kill kill the music, real quick.
Good Okay, now, run it again, play it again, play
it again, play again.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Till maybe it's a little doo doo do do. It
just gets kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Who doesn't like this?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You didn't say I didn't like it. I've said I've
heard it so many times. It's like hearing we are
that you said you said of.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
The five songs in in life that you would be
okay with never hearing again, this would be number one.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
That's exactly what you said, just because I've heard it
so many I.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Call I call BS, I call be s. Play Macarena
and tell me how much that ruins the rest of
your day. Probably in there as well, right, said Fred
to section other songs.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I don't think I can play I'm too sexy to
me time hold on.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh here's what I want you to do. Play macarena. Okay,
it'll get in your head. Tomorrow we'll do the show.
I'm like, hey, how do you feel about playing Mockert
You're like, damn it, it's all day and I hate
that song.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I'll put together the most overplayed songs on a playlist,
and I listen to it all day and see which
one drives me the point of insanity.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Two thousand and four. We can bring down this one.
Two thousand and four was interesting year at the movies.
Two chick flicks. One was really based on Monsey Blanios's
high school years. Mean Girls Nice the year, such a
good movie. And and this this is Sam's favorite is
the Notebook. The Notebook was two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Once, I don't need to see it again.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The Notebooks. Yeah, hey, babe, babe, what do you think
about watching The Notebook?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I watched it with my high school girlfriend. Actually I
was a junior in high school.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Napoleon Dynamite was that year. Anchor Man Akerman was two
thousand and four. Wow, that easily. You know, there's if
you want to know a movie that is over quoted
by every man ever? Is Anchorman? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yeah, yeah it is? Yeah, any like Will Ferrell. Early
two thousands movies were super popular, kind of brought comedies
back into the you know, the top grossing films category,
or at least for comedies. Definitely Anchorman's one of them.
But he left out Shrek two, which is number one.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
You left out Dodgeball. Dodgeball to me is underrated. Dodgeball
is so good?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, where was it rated to be underrated? I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I just I what I mean by that is, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Think it's given credit for how funny it actually is.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, I think it's. I think it's Uh, there's a
lot of it's. It's a heavily quoted movie, you.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Think, so, maybe it's just not surrounded by people who
quote it correct.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You're surrounded by girls. Girls don't quote Godswall, guys quote
Dodgeball and Anchorman.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, okay, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Okay, Ben Stiller is great, Ben still is. Playing an
evil guy in a comedy is always good.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball,
that's very good.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Deally departed, ripped torn, if I'm not mistaken, ripped.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Horn was in there, was in there. Yeah, Moncie, you
keep listen, you keep throwing out Dodgeball, uh, Dodgeball quotes,
and like you're going to open the door to Supovida
and there's gonna be guys waiting outside the date chair.
Oh well, uh, that's that's that's what I happened.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, I will wave at them, wave to them as
I drive away.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, it was an interesting year. The movies National Man
on Fire and you want to get to your Denzel update.
Man on Fire was pretty good. Born Supremacy was that years.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I love the Born Trill, Like, what is it four
movies now five? Whatever it is. The first three are
so good.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'll be that guy. You know it's better, you know,
it's better than those movies.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
The books, oh, nice, nice the books.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
The books.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
They usually the books are because they have more details
than they have more usually.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
They always are. But like, yeah, it's just like who's
got time to read a book?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Well, you know, if you read a book, Doug put
you to sleep. So when you wake up randomly at
three in the morning, you need to pick up one
of the Boorn books and hey, you.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Know one of the you know, put you right back.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
There was a one hit wonder that year. Remember who hoobastank?
The reason Hoobastank was a band?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
The reason and the reason is you is that the
Yeah they're.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
From the they're from the valley too, They're from like
a Goura Hills.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I don't know what whobistank means, but it's kind offensive
to me and just whatever it means, it just doesn't
it doesn't sit well in my brain. I think they
had like a one hit album kind of deal, like
they had a couple of their big ones, but we
didn't really hear much from them after. I think they're
still touring. I think they're still out there, but hubis stank. Yeah.
Also this song, very popular song, one I'm not sick
(22:45):
of yet.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, the outcast for him.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They need to reunite.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
They were great big boy and three no question, Jase,
you've been kind of quiet on Uh, don't call it
a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You know what this song does. But if you ever
want to get a bunch of a crowd of white
people to dance, just play this song.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I like that. That's a good call.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Once the song comes on at wedding receptions or in
a bar, white people find their out of rhythm and
they just get up and they dance uninhibitedly white people.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yukon won the National Championship a mecca ocuphor was the
m op.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
The pot of four was like this year in San Antonio,
we got baseball, we got football, anything else in sports,
and four was the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Right, but also going back to college football, of course
was it usc just trouncing Oklahoma, but they and it
was of course hidden away because of the Reggie Bush stuff.
And then I think we all know who the champion was. Well,
but what did did I might be mistaken. Did Auburn
go undefeated? Five or four?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It was one of those I don't know if you
guys remember, but the four Olympics, Argentina won the gold medal. Ah,
that was that year. Yeah, cry for me Argentina. Mano
Genobili leading Argantina Nice Mana Genobili and Luis Scola Nice,
Carlos Delfino, Walter Erman was demon.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Hey Mana Genobili, it was having I think he had
a great couple of years around that time, early two thousands,
Mano Genobilis winning NBA champions He was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, he was the man.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Let's let's also not lose track of this, Okay, that
that US team won a bronze medal. Allen Iverson, Stefan Marbury,
Dwayne Way, Carlos Boozer, Mellow lebron A, Mecca o Befo,
Sean Murrion, Amario Sandomar, Tim Duncan, Lamar Odom, Richard Jefferson, Like,
that's an unbelievable roster. They won the bronze medal, losing
(25:11):
Stevon Marbury, Allen Iverson, losing players, losing players, losing players. Sorry,
what who want?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Who did they? Who got silver that year?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Uh? Italy, italy? Okay, yeah, but Argentina beat us.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Argentina is the one who.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Beat Scott so Larry Brown and the Detroit Pistons won
the title.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But that's not really the story.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
The story is that the the Lakers were going for
their fourth straight NBA title. It was, as people have referenced,
railroaded by a court date in.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Eagle, Colorado.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
And then after the season, Kobe did this thing where
he said, I want to play for the Clippers. He
had this power move within the organization and the Lakers
traded Shaquille O'Neill. And the summer of two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That was a wild year, wild wild year, wild year.
It was also remember the Lakers they lost four in
row two they didn't they win game one and then
lost four in row. And that was also you know, uh,
Carl Malone hit on Kobe's wife. There was all kinds
of restrangs. Like you guys are making our brain all
(26:27):
of these stories.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's like a blast from the past.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
You gotta be wary of the mailman, you know, and
the ups driver and the you know FedEx driver and
all those guys.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
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Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's a Doug Outleab show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I do think we got to talk about the Shannon
Sharp thing at some point. Uh, we'll get into that
in game time, well, when we bring in the lovely
Montcy Belangias. The Clefbic Cavaliers are up two games to
none on the Miami Heat. This is their one of
(27:19):
their stars, their guard Darius Garland. He was asked after
the game about their game plan and how they've been
able to go up two games to none. Take a listen,
Miami's been really good at turning teams over.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
But the first two games, you guys have really hold
on to it. What's the key to playing clean basketball
like that against a team with that.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Pick on Tyler hero and take care of doable, don't
play in tight spaces, can't pick on their weak defenders?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Go at them? Yeah, pick on Tyler Hero. I mean,
by the way, Tyler Hero from Wisconsin, it's a U,
but there's a I mean, that's the level of honesty.
It'll go down as billboard material. It's not a secret.
Watch the game, that's what they do. But saying the
quiet out loud is kind of fascinating. Hey, like Cay
(28:03):
Hero couldn't guard the chair I'm sitting on right that
you almost feel like Darius Carland's gonna break that out next?
What's the key to beating my meat? Pick on tayther Hero,
pick on their board defenders and pick on tylther Hero.
Did I mention Tyler Hero as a poor defender? I
think I did. Let's get the Manzie Blonda, just get
a quick update. Months. What have got? Oh? Okay months?
(28:25):
He's getting a little trouble with her microphone. Hey, I
wanted to Chase. Do I want to ask you? Okay?
So here's the latest statement. This is from Shannon Sharp. Right,
I think I don't necessarily believe I have to I
have to rehash the story, right, Jase du do you
(28:47):
think we need to rehash the entirety of the story
with with in regards to Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I think, according to basic radio fundamentals, you do. But okay,
if you choose not to.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No no, no, social Shannon Sharp was sued for fifty million dollars.
Like again, it's been there have been a lot of
Shannon Sharp here this last week, and I'll defend myself
in one second as part of it. So Shannon has
his Club Shase Shape podcast and it's been successful. Then
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there was a story out that he was going to
his contract was up with Collins Podcast. Now that's the
Volume podcast network, and when it's up, he could get
up to one hundred million dollars to bring his Club
Shay Shape podcast over somewhere else. Two days later, and
I believe it was Monday of this week because that
(29:41):
story came out late last weekend last weekend, So Monday
of this week he was being sued for fifty million
dollars for alleged sexual assault. So then Tuesday he published
a video saying it was consensual and anything that comes out,
(30:04):
including a sex tape, is edited. Then there are two
different audio conversations, which, by the way, are two of
the most boring phone calls you're ever going to hear, Right,
boring phone calls. You're ever going to hear like people
say they say two words to each other and then
long pregnant pause, then two words to each other than
long pregnant pause. That's one of those. I can't believe
(30:27):
if you're on the phone with somebody and you don't
have anything to say, why are you on the phone
with somebody? Anyway? I thought the weirdest part was Larry Davis,
who's who's Shannon's lawyer, said that they tried to settle
this for tens of millions of dollars and she turned
(30:48):
it down. Why is Larry Davis admitting that they tried
to settle this thing for tens of millions of dollars
while at the same time proclaiming it proclaiming his innocence. Yeah,
that one's weird. And then this about an hour ago
from from Shannon Sharp. My statement is found here, and
(31:10):
this is the truth. The relationship in question was one
hundred percent consensual at this juncture. I'm electing to step
aside temporarily from my ESPN duties. I'm devoting this time
to my family and responding and dealing with the false
and disruptive allegations set against me. I plan to return
to ESPN the start of the NFL preseason. I sincerely
appreciate the overwhelming and ongoing support I've received from my family, friends,
(31:32):
and colleagues. Shannon Sharp, Jace, You've been doing this a
long time. Does he return to ESPN?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I don't believe.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
So.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I don't believe Disney. I don't believe Disney lets him back.
Because I said this after the Trevor Bauer thing. He'll
never picture the Dodgers again because of the things that
he's admitted to, whether it's consensual or not, the details
themselves are pretty horrific if you are the run on
the bill, you know, Midwest family man. So I don't
(32:04):
think he goes back to Disney. But that's my good.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah. I again, I just think it's so interesting, you know,
it's really interesting, and part of me is like, dude,
Tony Busby, he does have another guy in his crosshairs.
Here's where I woke up this morning and Jayseus tell
me if this makes sense to you. You know, Dan
Patrick was talking about whether any publicity was good publicity
(32:33):
with me in regards to Green Bay basketball, and the
answer is not all publicity is good. Publicity. This is
clearly not good publicity, right, But that was kind of
my point with Dan, and maybe I didn't make it
clear enough, was like, what is bad publicity that we
lost basketball games? Like, that's not bad publicity. It was
(32:55):
a bad publicity that Lebron is trolling me and tweeting
at me because I said I didn't think his son
was an NBA player, Like, again, that's not really bad publicity.
This is bad publicity. Anytime you're talking about your sex
life with a woman who is almost forty years it's
forty years or thirty years younger than you, thirty years
(33:17):
younger than you, and some of the other things that
are discussed, and you're talking about choking woman like that
is bad publicity. So the answer is no, all publicity
is not good bublicity. This is bad publicity. But I
would also point out that this is bad not anything
about my team losing games as bad publisity. Stut Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Ryan Hollands Joints Yess
(33:39):
Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts, he played ten years in
the NBA, and Ryan, I love Darius Garland saying in
the quiet part out loud, Hey, what's your What's what's
the game plan that has allowed to you guys succeed.
He's like attack Tayler Hero, go at the week defenders,
attack Tayler Hero. Isn't really that simple when when you're
(34:01):
talking about game plans, get ready for NBA playoff games
like you played it.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
It is and it's also a sign of recept when
you have a guy that is a main portion of
the offense. Here's the thing for Houston where maybe not
our guys are maybe not that advanced offensively, but the
game plan is attacked Curry. Now, make no mistakee Curry
(34:27):
has improved significantly on the defensive end, and you know
those are the steps that he had to make.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
But when you get into the playoffs and.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
There's a weak link out there, you find that weak link.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
And you abuse it.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
And against a guy like Hero, sometimes the best defense
on him is your offense, making him work, taking his
legs away.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
What's wrong with the Bucks?
Speaker 8 (34:55):
Well, first off, Damian Leonard, you know with the that's
an issue. Before that, you know, you fire your head
coach and you're still trying to find a way. And
I haven't heard this from anybody, but I know from
my time of playing in the NBA, being a leader
(35:16):
isn't easy. And there's hints that you get from Gianni's
having one foot in and one foot out, or you know,
maybe not thinking things would be as simple as they are.
But when you're in a position as a great player
and you have to lead an organizations, you got to
(35:38):
rally the troops behind you, those expectations are different versus
just coming out playing hard and doing your job. When
the guys in that locker room know that you have
decisions that can be made to have somebody on the team.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Or not, that responsibility is different.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
So when they look at Lebron James, when you criticize
Lebron and Lebron you know, legm, those comics, those things
come out. Lebron is delivered a championship wearing those shoes,
and it's hard shoes to still when someone get traded
or something happens, so they're gonna come at you, and
that's the way they're looking at Yannis. So I'm not
saying that's why they're losing. Yeah, but that leadership role
(36:19):
along with success is a lot different.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Dougs.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I agree with you, it's heavy as a head that
wears a crown is the Shakespeare expression. Ryan Holmes, our
guest ten years in the NBA, covers Rockets games throughout
the year for the Houston Rockets, and of course he
also is our Fox Sports Radio NBA insider. Jimmy Butler
goes down and so too to the Warriors. But the Warriors,
(36:43):
did you know complete the task that everybody says, Hey,
let's just go get a split when we're on the road.
What's your sense of that series as it heads back
to San Francisco?
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Man for one, like Doug, you saw this and you
just said it. You saw this coming from a Milo.
Steve Kurt was gonna pump this game.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
You gotta understand from the Warriors standpoint, as soon as
they got Jimmy Butler, they had to work so hard
just to get into the playoffs. They they had bumps
and bruises to get to this point. And ultimately E
may knew that.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
So Emy said, we're young. I don't want to say
young and dumb, but.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Our guys are young and inexperienced to try to find
their ways. So you know what if maybe we lose
Game one because our guys hadn't seen it.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
But we're taking a pound of flesh with us as
they went after.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
Golden States, and Steve Kerr made his mind up that
he's gonna play Jimmy forty minutes.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
That's getting thirty five.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
Jonathan Kminga's not gonna stand gonna get substantial minutes. And
ultimately the lack of development with Jonathan Kamina is coming
back to bite the Warriors and the lack of trust
because Jimmy walked off the floor. Is there a chance
that Jimmy could have played go I've stepped in this play, absolutely,
(38:07):
but they're a factor where it just wasn't worth it
and the body said no. On top of that, on
top of that foul.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You know what, Doug, you.
Speaker 8 (38:14):
Follow in your telebone battles up your fine, But Jimmy
probably stepped into that game banged up and injured, likely
with Draymunt and lightly with Furry.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Also Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, coming
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but two tremendous player Ryan Hollins play at UCLA, played
(38:44):
ten years in the league, covers the Rockets and the
rest of the NBA of local TV and nationally here
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to the Lakers. Game one,
they can't guard Minnesota couldn't guard him. Game two more physical, right,
and obviously the tim Bowles don't make I don't know
what they made twenty one threes in the first game,
(39:04):
but the tim Bowles did get one out of two.
Give me your senses this as this series resets and
gets back to the Twin Cities. What your thoughts are
in this matchup? Now that we've seen both teams, the
teams play twice, I think.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
The chess match is gonna start. And we knew Doug.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
The challenge for the Lakers was energy, Like, if you're
playing against Luca and Lebron, and Luca Luca may still
be a worse athlete than a forty year old Lebron
energy wise on both ends, but you're going to beat
the Lakers with your energy. Now, ultimately, Minnesota has this
(39:43):
series in hand if they can take care of two
at home. But I'm not going to be surprised if
Luca Donson slays his best game as a Laker and
hear me when I say this on the road up
in Minnesota, and those guys go and take care of business, Anthony.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Edwards, I genuinely do. But when he.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Learns how to really play the game of basketball and
slow down and play with pace, and how to attack
defenses and learn the reads that teams are given, him's
going to be unstoppable. It's just not there yet at
this stage in his career. Now, a guy who could
really flipped the series from Minnesota would be Julius Randalls.
(40:26):
But ultimately, right now, I don't think that Minnesota has
enough and I do think that Lakers probably take one.
I think it ends up being seven. But I think
that ultimately you're going to see the experience from Luca
and Lebron play out.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
This thing is going to slow down.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
They're going to walk the ball up the floor, Doug,
and I do think that LA makes the game very
physical and they end up taking it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
So you like the Lakers to win playing physical on
the road. I've just you know, it's so weird. Ryan,
you watch these series, You watch Game one, and then
you watch Game two, and it looks like completely different teams,
completely different matchups. What about the Clippers and Denver? I mean,
I like you and I know how good Kawhi is.
But now we're playing, we're watching Pete Kawhi. They return home,
(41:14):
they got two against against Denver, and Denver's been kind
of a mess. Can the Clippers actually close out the series?
Can they win the now? Maybe I can they? Will
they win this series?
Speaker 8 (41:26):
Doug? It was scary outside of my rockets, they may
come out the West and the reason we're all kind.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
Of dumbfound and come me if I'm wrong. Kawhi looks
like the darn best player on the planet. See he
looks so good.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
It was almost like, okay, guys, I posted in game one,
I was going to fill it out. You need to
take over mode. I still have that in the bag
and I can do it now. We've been here before, Doug.
Kawhi Leonard plays unbelievable. You get news out of the
game that he's done for the season, so hopefully that
doesn't happened. But with him being who he is and
(42:05):
the lack of defense in Denver without right Malone and
just probably age and not able to retool defensively off
their bench.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
I like the Clippers the way Zubox is played. I
like the Clippers. They have enough.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
It's a tough matchup, and that series is one that
everyone may not be looking at that he just says,
Oh my god, like some really good basketball that we're
seeing being played. And it's only the first round. But
the Western Conference has loaded.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
But I think Kawai coming back and shocked all of us.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Done.
Speaker 7 (42:41):
Guys were supposed to be slowing down, missing a step.
I'm wondering what his physical therapist has him doing up.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
Maybe we should take some fits from them, But but
why Leonard is really looking unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
When we saw him a week.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Before the playoffs started, our guys went down there and
played them, and he did the same thing. You know,
he still has those furts with he can like he
can just truly take over.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, he's he looks awesome. And I'm a big Tyler guy.
I think Tyler's as good as any any coacher is
in the NBA. Anybody beating Oklahoma City, Oh yes, it's.
Speaker 7 (43:18):
All about matchup, Doug. So for Houston.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
The reason Houston would match up well with oak Lahoma City?
Why because they have the use, they can pound them
in times.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
He's got two bigs that.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Can attack chet Holmgren and the energy to keep up.
One thing that you're going to see, Doug, is the
playoffs going on. It's a vallid nutrition. Some of these
older players aren't going to be able to make it through.
Oklahoma City is much better, much more experienced than they
were a year ago. They still have their work cutout
at the end of the day. Shay is unbelievable, There's
(43:54):
no question there.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
But I think their holes.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
But you have to find them right or excuse me
better yet wrong matchup for Oklahoma City, and it's going
to have to be a team that has some juice inside.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, I guess the only way to beat him is
to beat him up inside. And I just don't know
outside of Denver if that, if that team exists, and
I don't know if Denver has the depths to beat
them in the playoffs either, And I don't know, like you,
if Denver is even going to survive survive the LA Clippers,
so he even knows, right, well, then.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Let me say this to you, Doug.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
Oddly enough, if Houston, Houston's toughest matchup is probably right
now against Golden State.
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Sure, I don't think they would have problems. And it
may sound a wild.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
Houston gets Oklahoma City, They're going to be very comfortable
in that matchup. And it's just the way matchups work
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, no question it is. The playoffs are about matchups
as well as about health, and the Rockets have health
right now. We'll see if they get out of this
matchup into a more favorable one. Ryan Hollins, of course,
covers games for the Houston Rockets all year and he's
our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. Ryan, thanks so much
for join us. Really appreci yet it any time. Dogs
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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