June 12, 2025 • 53 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains why cliches are often true and the cliche that role players play better on the road is very true as it pertains to game three of the NBA Finals.
On this installment of "Don't Call It a Throwback, Thursday", Doug and the crew focus on the year 2011.
Doug welcomes L.A. Times NBA reporter Dan Woike onto the show to talk about the NBA Finals, what the Pacers did in game three, and all of the other headlines around the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcasting two places.
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the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, we'll get to Jjspond. We'll
see if he continues to be the leader at the
end of the entirety of the first round. I don't
know buyers all over that, I mean Oakmont to shoot
a birdie, a bogey free round four under is pretty amazing.
I mean, here's a guy who has won one PGA event,
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one PGA event, and if you tune into the podcast today,
I'll tell you what what the the no name leader
to the US Open reminds me of in in movie
Dum if you will, in movie dumb Uh, Let's let's
get to the NBA Finals Cuz you know, as I
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told you yesterday, I don't think anybody, myself included, was
super fired up about Game three one because as the
guys that point out the schedules, whack, I thought it
was Sunday, Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday, Thursday. Then they're like Wednesday, Friday, Sunday.
Wait what? And the games outside of the last you know,
a couple minutes of Game one was a snooze, so
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you kind of thought, all right, maybe game three is this.
Game three is a good game. And it brought to
mind a cliche that is used on TV, but it
actually is an accurate depiction of what happened last night.
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And I was explaining to a buddy mind Andy, who
is he wants to get into the business. I said, hey,
you have to find a way to not use cliches,
only sort of use cliches. It's like, I don't what
do you mean? Well, the cliches in many ways are
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in fact true, right, there are there are things that
have been stated time and again. Now they've been stay
in time and again because quite often they are in
they are true. But we're taught just don't be cliche.
Don't utter cliches. Uh jase, do your most overused or
most again things annoy you? Cliche that comes to mind?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Hey, you can't judge a book by its cover.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You can't can't judge a book by his cover, can't.
What's weird about that is how many times have you
bought a book because of the cover? If you ever
looking for a book or you're an airport, like, man,
I got a couple hours to kill. I mean, I'm
gonna buy a book. Like do you read the first
chapter or do you just read the Do you look
at the front, you look at the back, You're like, yeah,
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sounds good, wrap it up, let's go. Can't judge a
book by its cover? Fier you gotta Do you have
a cliche? Or I'm like, oh, here's a cliche that
comes to your mind immediately.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
One of my favorites because I think it's flexible. The
grass is always greener on the other side, but then
when you find out the consequence, guess what the grass
isn't always greener on the other side.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's flexible.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, Sam is a cliche that comes to your mind
when I say cliches.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Well going with a sports cliche. It's a game of inches.
But actually think that that there's a lot of truth
that because, especially in the era we live in now
of video review, everything now is a game of inches.
Was his foot on the line?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Was he in bounds? Where do the ref spot the ball?
But obviously it's kind of a speaking to a larger
idea of like, you know, even details, even.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
In track and field where you use meters, it's still
a game of inches.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
There you go. So that one I think holds true.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
But the point that you got to you're like, well,
you know, it really is a game inches. It is.
No one's saying the grass is always greener on their
side and then it isn't always green on their side.
Like these statements are true, and you can't judge a
book by its cover, but it's it's a it's worthy
of discussion. When the when the going gets tough, the
tough dude get going. They just do. They don't build
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them like they used to. They just don't They don't
build them like used to. They don't build like used to.
By the way, there's no more ambiguous neutral comment that
sounds like it's an ode to the older days. Then
they don't be them like they used to it they don't.
There are some structures that were really well constructed. There
are lots of structures that were very poorly constructed back
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in the day. Like was that mortar? Like yeah, sort
of sort of whatever they had they kind of stuck together,
made mortar to keep the bricks together. They're like, wow,
they don't build house like they used to. You're right now,
we like, you know, are plumbing and air conditioning. You
are correct. Have you ever been to a modern house,
like a really brand new modern house, Like, wow, this
is way better than that's old. But we always use
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the I bring up the cliche because have you ever
heard Kendrick Perkins or others on TV say they know
role players they played better at home? And I was
looking TJ McConnell, for example, ten points, five assists, five steals,
first NBA player to post those numbers off the bench
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in an NBA Finals game. He was a plus twelve
in fifteen minutes. He's a role player. He played great,
and he was at home. And you know, on the
other side, you're watching like, I don't know why Oklahoma
City had lou Dort in at the end of the game,
but lou Dort's inability to shoot meant that the Pacers
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could just play completely in the gaps and leave him
alone in the corner. But if you remember previous series,
the big win over Denver, it was lou Dort hitting
corner threes. But those were at home, right Ben Mathering
Ben Mathern has an unbelievable game last night, and look,
Ben's scoring guard comes off the bench just a he's
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our score. But he's a role player, right, role player,
and he played great at home. The point of it is,
it's a cliche. Just because we say don't use cliches
does not mean doesn't mean it's not true. It just
means they're super overused expressions. And let's find a different
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way to say the same thing. So in a different
way to say the same thing. But I was watching
that last night and I was just like, ah, there's
that cliche. And I was talking a week ago to
a buddy mine who works for the Thunder and I
can't remember who we were talking about over we talking
about Lue Dort. He's like, yeah, role players. He's like,
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there's a reason that people say it. It's because it's true.
It's just an overused expression. So while the Dodgers were
beating up on the padres, You're welcome, Jase too. I
did pay attention, and there was other stuff going on,
and Dan Byer's getting ready for Oakmont. I know how
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excited he is, like this is an epic challenge for
all of these golfers. I'm sitting there watching, going, yeah,
you know, it's kind of true because the role players
are what won them the game. Ben Matherin twenty seven points,
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twenty seven points in twenty two minutes. TJ McConnell ten,
five and five in fifteen minutes. You know, even Obie Toppen,
who there's a couple times where it felt like he
was running and he had the turbo button down and
somebody's like, hey, let go of the turbo button. You're
going too fast. He like turns it over. Obie Topmen
was outstanding last night. And I don't know if it's
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because they're at home, because they've kind of figured it out.
Because the ball was going in or whatever it is.
But it does play into that cliche of role players
played better and more confidently at home as opposed to
Oklahoma City's role players. Who you know, Caruso hit a
couple of shots, but Aaron Wiggins, who was an absolute
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star in game two or game one. In game two,
game one, he had eighteen points, right, he's a role
player eighteen points in twenty one minutes, was at home. Again.
There's the cliche role players play better at home. That
was in game two. I apologize and my game's kind
of screwed up when I was looking at the game log.
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So Aaron Wiggins goes from eighteen points, who doesn't pee
a drop last night? Not a drop. This is not
me being critical of him. This is me saying, hey,
you know, there's something to these old cliches might actually
be true. You know, might actually be true. And now
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you get to the series where you're sitting there and
if you are, like I think most of us, where
we believe Oklahoma City is in fact better, we think
like they're the better team. They they do have to
win what three of the next next four, don't they?
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They gotta win three of the next four games from
the Indiana Pacers. It's a it's a it's weird how
the math affects the brain. If you guys ever noticed that, Like, yeah,
it's just two one Bolcaoma City wins Game four, they
get back home court advantage, and they win Game five.
Say they drop game six, they win Game seven at home,
perfect NBA series for all parties, shake hances, blah blah blah.
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But then when you stop to think about this way,
they have to win three of four games from the
Indiana Pacers. Yes, stand byre.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's funny because the survivor pool that Jason Stewart and
I talk about when it comes to Major League Baseball,
I go through the exact same thinking. But I also
thought about something that we said on yesterday's show. You
and I said something different, and I forgot who the
the guest that you had on yesterday that agreed with you.
Oh it is Antonio Daniels thinking that last night was
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a must win for the Pacers and I you asked
me that question, and I thought it was for the
Thunder And I think it's obvious on why it was
a must win for the Pacers, But I also don't
think that I was necessarily wrong, and it leads into
a little bit about what you're talking about with Oklahoma
City in this situation of yeah, now they do have
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to win three out of the next four against the
team that has kind of given them fits. So I've
actually gone back and forth in my head because I
still believe and I still stand by saying that I
felt that last night was important for Oklahoma City because
I felt they could have closed out the series with
a win last night.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, I actually I agree with you. I agree with
that that sentiment of it. Agree, go ahead, I'm sorry.
That's why I thought. That's why I thought we were
actually saying the same thing in opposite things. That's why
I thought it was more important for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You look at it two to one, or you can
look at it Oklahoma City's got to win three out
of the next four.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It's weird how you can mentally trick your mind with
numbers that way, because the other part too it you
can go like, well, well, here's the reality to it is,
say Indiana goes up three games to one, it does
you know, look, obviously that puts Oklahoma City in a tough,
tough position. Now you gotta win three of three. The
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other way to look at it is you got too
at home. You really got to win one road game, Like,
it's not that huge of a hill to climb when
out again, outside of the last two minutes of Game one,
you're combined fifty points better than the Indiana Pacers when
you're playing at home. But yeah, Antonio Daniels was our
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guest yesterday and so but I think he agreed with
me for the same reason that we all actually agree
with you, right, which is had Oklahoma City won last night,
it's not much of a series. It's like, because you're
like Indiana, you have no level of faith that they
can win three out of four from Oklahoma City, especially
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with two of them on.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
The Yeah, and their advantage would have been taken away,
you know, right away. Now they still have that home
court advantage.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I feel like, now we have a series. It's weird again.
Here's a cliche that you always get in the NBA.
Series doesn't start to the road team wins a game like, Yeah,
I didn't really feel like Game one made it a series.
Game one was interesting. Oklahoma City didn't close out, but
they did this against Denver. Right now, Indiana wins a
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home game, takes two games one late, now we get
a legit series.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I yeah, and I thought it did.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Like I thought Game one changed everything in my mind
and looking at because I also felt that a lot
of people jumped on the thunder bandwagon after Game two,
and again we talked about it yesterday. Of it's a
different animal when you go on the road. And the
thing with the Pacers is they they do play great
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comeback basketball and sometimes they've thrown in stinkers. Even in
their loss in the Cavs series was a stinker and
the Eastern Conference semi finals. That may come up in
Game four, but it also may not because you just
don't know on who Indiana is and it's not like
Oklahoma City has been perfect in all of this, the
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two you know, imperfections. It's also why I said, I
think this is going to be the worst NBA Finals
champ that we've had in decades, at least in my lifetime.
And then some of it showed last night.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, that being said, last night was an enjoyable watch.
You know, we'll get to what Adam Silver said. I
want to have a conversation about it. I think it's
I actually think that I think he spoke a lot
of truths. But I'm willing to hear. If you guys
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think that he's just it's just word salad. We'll get
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Thursday part of the show, which is don't call to
Throwback Thursday. So guys, you know, again, in year one
you learn stuff. In year two you're like, okay, you
start to implement that. So I had a vision of, hey,
we should do some team building things, and now we
have it scheduled too. We're gonna do one thing per week.
(16:54):
You don't overload them, you know. When they come to
my house, we go play golf, we go whitewater afting,
which is like an hour and ten from here. It's
not bad. My guy Dale shout out to Daily Listens
every day. So today we we did paintball wars. Nice
you guys, Sam, you didn't been paintballing.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
I used to be a big paintballer back when I
was in high school. Had all the gear, the guns,
the you.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Know, the the.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Clips or whatever, magazines, all the you know everything, the vests.
But I haven't been since I school. But it is
a lot of fun. Welts all over you.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I do not now. I got hit in the unmentionables,
which which was very painful, Yes, very painful. I don't
I don't know if I got a a straight on.
I think my clothing slowed it down a little bit
because it hurt like a devil. But no, no welting marks.
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And it was from a distant shot.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Just wait till tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, But most the other guys have welts Wherever they got,
they got hit squarely. I mean I I had one
round where I was I was literally Lee Harvey Oswald,
I was I was stipend people taking him out. I
was amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Were you guys like in a forest setting? Like what
kind of what kind of course were you on.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Uh, it's like, uh, it's probably a felt like maybe
a five acre property, and like one is like abandoned cars,
one is like you know, one has like all the
climbing apparatuses, and one is like shipping containers and it's
one of each and you kind of rotate all of them.
Was super fun. By Are you ever been paintballing?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I like how you were cautious on on telling us
the location that you were hit. Yeah, we're so free
with the assassination of a president, you know, to to
characterize your shooting skill flowed like a river. That just
just yes.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And he did go millennial too, and he changed the
meaning of the world. Literally, he said, I was literally
Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, it's more figuratively, it's more figuratively. You're right, You're right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
We were him in essence.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I had some magic bullets though sometimes all I'm saying
those bullets are magical, Jase to have you have you
paintball before?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Never? Once?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
No, it was fun.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It's really fun. Those suckers hurt, Oh they hurt.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's why I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh, no, no question, it's not. I mean I get it.
I I understand.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
There's a little bit of satism, Like you know, it's
pain for pleasure. Is pain pain with the pleasure of playing.
And it's fine. It's it's it's it's adrenaline pumping. It's fun.
It's just expensive. It's expensive.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Hobby.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. I mean again, if it's a hobby, it's expensive.
It's a one off for a group of the We did.
We did bowling last week, did bowling last week, paintball,
We got some other stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
All right, in some white water rafting. Yeah, man, you
got all the good. You should take your guys up
to the Dell's go to that outdoor.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Uh, it's down to the dell.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
South of you? Or is it just always Dan?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Dan? Can I get a Can I get a virtual
fist pump on the YouTube page? Here? Can we just?
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I nailed it. I nailed Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Down down to the Dell's all right, down down. It's
been a while. I haven't been there, and since I was,
we tought.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
We tut all right, let's uh, let's get to do
call to throw back Thursday.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Let me introduce you. Thank you to those of you
new to the show, It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh.
Dan Bayer loves the fact that he's brilliant about the
history of sports. That's I think this is a little
bit of a show off thing, no question. If I
had and I have really good memory not buyers. If
I had that, I would create different ways to show
that off. Whereas Jason Stewart took his ideas like, Hey,
(20:55):
I always wanted to be f M Morning DJ guy.
I can and we can look back at at great
music and then me being the movie guy, I get
to look back at the great movies of the year.
So Jase Stu, what's the year today?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. We're going
to look back at twenty eleven. I want all of
our listeners and everyone participated in the show right now
to think about what you were doing on this day
in twenty eleven. I bet you guys don't know what
happened today, So I'm going to tell you. The Dallas
Mavericks upset the Miami Heat to win the NBA Finals.
(21:32):
Fourteen years ago today, Derek Novinski was the leader of
the of the MAVs. But let me give you a
couple other names that might ring a bell. Jason Kidd
was the point guard Tyson Chandler who was drafted out
of high school. I think he was. He went to
Domingus High which I once saw in the Sports Illustrated
(21:54):
article described as this an island in a sea of gangs.
No laughs, Okay, Jason Terry came off the bench, Deshaun.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
We were supposed to laugh at that sounds rather serious. Yeah, no,
it's dark humor. JJ Berea was also on.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Okay, but it's not funny when I say, hey, I
was Lee Harvey Oswald for a minute, and that was
in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You're literally too soon, bro, yeah soon.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Wait, by the way, are you talking Domingus High School
as an island in is it? What in the island
of gangs?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
An island in the sea of gangs, as was once
described in an SI article about Tyson Chandler.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh okay, okay, you got to go read about their coach.
There's some bad stuff that went on behind the scenes
there too.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I just I've always loved that description like that. I've
used it many times since. Anyways, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James,
Chris Bosch, the Big three. They were defeated today and
they were not supposed to ever lose. Remember Lebron James
told us they were going to win what five, six, seven, eight,
eight titles and then they lost. They lost that one,
(23:05):
not three didn't work at four, not five, not six,
not seven. Now Dan Bayer came in during the break
and he said, I'm really looking forward to what you're
going to focus on, because is it going to be
the NBA Finals from twenty eleven or is it going
to be the US Open. So I'm going to give
(23:25):
him the floor right now to tell us all the
exciting things that happened that year in golf.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And I thought it was an open opportunity and no
pun intended because of what transpired earlier this year. It
was also twenty eleven was the year that Rory McElroy
won his first career major, taking a softened Congressional and
bringing it to its knees. This just months after blowing
his Master's lead entering the final round on Sunday, So
(23:52):
it was a bit of redemption for Rory McElroy that
Masters ended up being won by Charles Schwartzel that year.
But in twenty eleven, it was Rory McElroy winning the
US Open. Darren Clark won the Open Championship. The great
part about that was he was still drunk from the
night before when he showed up at his Monday morning
press conference.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Keegan Bradley claimed the PGA Championship that year at the
Atlanta Athletic Club, his first and only major for the
current US Ryder Cup captain. But I thought it was
going to be maybe the US Open because it was
Rory McElroy's first major that he won of his career.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yes, and so I come through you a curveball there.
I will say this, You always keep us on our toes.
Things keep coming full circle, right. Rick Carlisle won the
NBA Final NBA Finals eleven years ago today, Rory McElroy
won his first major. Guess who won his only Super
Bowl in February sixth of twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yes, bingo, and he beat the team he's now playing for.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
How about that boom?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Pittsbury Steelers.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
More importantly, for that season, Green Bay was dominant in
that following regular season.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
After the NFL lockout.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Remember that twenty eleven where we were close to maybe
not having football, but the just lockout ended and we
had football and the Packers went fifteen and one.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I'm really surprised, Jay Stu that you didn't lead with baseball.
O well, of the best World Series in our lifetime.
Cardinals were down their last strike twice in Game six,
David Freese twice, and David Freese was the hero. They
end up winning in seven over the Texas Rangers in
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another kind of epic battle, and David Freese goes on
to become the World Series MVP. Your Saint Louis Cardinals
for your World Series champions in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's another full circle moment actually, because the loser of
that World Series was Ron Washington, and now he's getting
a lot of l's as the manager of the Angels.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, before after the rod Washed it was that the
year before or after the cocaine new story came out.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I can't remember, Oh man, that was rough. Yeah, the
Boston Bruins won the Sandy Cup Final, Dan, you remember
that one con smythe award winner Tim Thomas was one
of your favorites.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I loved Tim Thomas he was good at Leanover for
that year.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
But no, do you know why, I definitely do remember
that for two reasons. Vancouver came oh so close to
winning the Stanley Cup Final.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It did not happen.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Lost in in seven games. They were up three to
two in the series. But I also, yes, I also lost.
I also lost my NHL ten season with the Vancouver
Canucks that year to the Boston Bruins in the Stanley
Cup Finals. I played a full eighty two game season
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and went through the playoffs and I was dominant, guys,
I was. I was dominant in that game. I jumped
out to an early series lead, and then I started
messing around, and what do you know, I lost Game
seven against the computer on NHL ten. That's true, true story.
We're talking about twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yes, but that was That was the game.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And then I'm like, wow, history repeats itself that the
Bruins upset the Canucks.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I didn't know what. By the way, I didn't know
what a knuck was until right now, I looked it up,
and it's like a slang term for a Canadian.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
I thought it was like a type of duck or
something like a waterfowl like a heron.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Because it sounds like a duck. I guess a Canuck
must be like a duck.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I have seen the Ducks play the Canucks at the Hopits.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's listen, it's a reasonable thing. It is interesting that
the Canuck is a Canadian, and there's also the Montreal
Canadians Canadians. Some ways, it's the Canadians against the Canadian.
NCAA basketball that year, Oh, don't remind me, uh, Yukon
was your national champion. Yuke was your national champion. They
beat Kentucky in the final four. VCU first four to
(28:02):
the final four, took on Butler. Butler played him one
of the ugliest first halfs in NCAA tournament history in
the first half of the the national championship game, where
it was much like Jason Stewart in high school. Butler
couldn't score.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I covered that final four, Doug. I don't know where
you were at that point, but I was there.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, there were.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Because you had VCU and Butler VC. You brought a
lot of fans. I'll give them credit for that. But
small schools with Butler and Yukon and they weren't bringing
a lot of fans, and then when Kentucky got housted.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, it was. It was a rough weekend for the
final four and twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Also again, I believe that was Teach McConnell's the point
guard for Arizona when they lost in the Elite eight
to the Huskies. Teacher McConnell the star last night. There's
your full circle moment, Jase two. I knew you'd like that.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Jason. Give me the movies, I mean give me the music, sorry,
music of twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, I think that Rick Carlisle was holding up the
David Bing Trophy? Is that what it's called? Am I
way off here? David Bing?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
What there's the Lady Bing?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Larry, Larry I'll bring for the trophy?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Larry O'Brien, Larry O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
He was, he was holding that up when they asked
him what what he was listening to on is what
do you call those things? The eyes something ie iPod
iPod on the way to this game and this he
gave this answer surprisingly.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Number three on the Billboard Hot one hundred End of
Year list.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Katy Perry unfortunately in movies a couple of sequels, Harry
Potter two was the grossed three hundred and eighty one
million dollars. Transformers Dark of the Moon was the second
highest grossing film. Twilight's first Twilight film was third, Hangover two,
(30:08):
and then the second or third, Pirates of the Caribbean
was fifth fast five to six, Mission Impossible Cars to
Sherlock Holmes, A Game of Shadows, and four. In other words,
in terms of even new series, there was only two
of the top ten movies that year. In twenty eleven,
people back like Hollywood just now has forgotten how to
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make good new movies with new storylines. Nope, go back
fourteen years ago and a lot of sequels, a lot
of sequels.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
We go back to Katy Perry. This has been the
segment where we went full circle. So Katy Perry, Firework,
this is off for I think second album. This wasn't
the album with Eye Kissed a Girl, so it's the
next one. Firework ascended to three in the Billboard chart.
But I will say full circle moment. Who would have
(31:00):
known that just eleven or fourteen years later she would
be taking a spacecraft up, a billionaire spacecraft up into
the space with a couple other famous rich people all
women who took way too much credit for being women
up in the spacecraft. And then the best joke that
came from that incident was a meme online that said
(31:22):
that Katie Perry started singing while they were up in space.
No wonder they came down so fast?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Was it this song?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Because the rocket ascended like a firework, And we can't
forget this tune as well. Jason Stewart has a lot
to say about this song. He said, put that on
the list, Sam, put that on the queue.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Now this is a song about at school shooting.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Right, I think it is.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, do you know that buyer?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah? No, I looked at the cakes.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Baby run, Baby run faster than my bullets?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Oh great? Wow?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, firstly Harveys wall Now I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Just saying, like, I know, like I I'd like the
song too that I listened to. It was like, wait, what.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Dark Derek lyrics? And then there was this song. I'm
not a big fan of Maroon five, but I'll give
him this a little throwback to the Maroon five. Hold
on now, oh yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Some Root five. Last last year they were at Summerfest.
I think it nothing but than Summerfest.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, Summer Fest.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
A lot of people say, Jason Ward moves like Jagger Checker.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, this one's got a good groove to it, with
catchy Christina Aguilera on it as well.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I just I think since the Super Bowl performance where
he was shirtless, I'm like, hey, I'm out on this group.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
That Hormans was not good, but this song is is
all right.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
He moves Mick Jagger Stones, who still got it? By
the way, light on his feet? Mick Jagger does Mick
Jagger still light.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
On his feet.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I also liked Mick Jagger because it was a made
up name that Doug Heffert had made to fool Lardy
on King of Queens.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
That he worked with a Mick Jager.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Sorry, So whenever I just hear Mick Jagger, I think
of the King of Queens episode, I.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Don't think of the Rolling Stones. I think of that
line in King of Queens.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Maybe uh, maybe Doug could do a bonding trip next
week and take his team to go karaoke, and then
he can come on the show the next day and
says say, he was literally Mick Jagger last night.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Oh jeez, you're piling on today.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Given Doug, if you had if you had a camera.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I'm telling you your number one in our YouTube YouTube page.
So I'm telling you right there. But I mean, I
wasn't the one who dropped the What is that song
even called? I forget?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Are you talking about pumped up Kicks?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Is that pumped up kicks?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Pumped up kicks? Foster the People, Fluster the People, great
alternative band from fourteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
We're giving you a lot of ideas, Doug Karaoke, go
down to the Dell's, bowling, paintballing. I mean, you got
the potentially unlist This is why water rafting.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
You could have said over to the Dells too, Sam,
that would have worked.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It's not going to go to Del's.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Not going up to the Dell's.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
We're gonna go to the Dell's there. And that is
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Speaker 2 (34:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Who doesn't like the song?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Oh, this song is awful?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Just this is this a great eighty song? What is
the matter with the song? They that it's a cliche.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They went to Billy Ocean and they said, we're going
to go against We're gonna do the sequel to Romance
in the Stone. You have five minutes to think of
a song that's the true story, and it's true story.
Good five minutes to think of the song. It's an
awful song. Dan Byron likes it too.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'm never gonna judge somebody for anything, but I can
I can make fun of your taste.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, dlling our calm Andy Mountain, the guy on hell
Swim any see.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Dan Wookie's a He's a music connoisseur. He enjoys.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I had no idea he get in here. On the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio, he covers the
NBA for the La Times. Uh, Billy Ocehan, go.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Rob Polinka right now to every perspective center, get out
of my dreams, get into my front court.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Hey, true story buyer. I don't know if you know
this first concert I ever attended. Similar time span sort
of similar. Jeffrey Osborne, Yes, yeah, woo woo song you
should be mine his actual name of the song, and
then says woo woo woo. And here's a weird one
for you though, guys to the two Dans, my parents
(36:37):
we were in Vegas, I think a basketball term or whatever.
I was like third Wheel went to the show with
them and fast forward like thirty years later, my dad
coached Jeffrey Osborne's son in AAU basketball placed him in college.
Like crazy story. Anyway, you know it'd be a good
one for recruiting. You should be mine anyway, Dan Wake
joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. How would you
(37:00):
how would you honestly characterize the NBA Finals?
Speaker 9 (37:05):
I think it is it feels like a sign of
looks to come in the league. And uh, I know
we tend to overact to these things when they and
they appear in front.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Of Yes, yes, because because heat culture was going to
be in the finals every year, regardless who's on the team.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
But Denver Nuggets, we're never going to lose an NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like Denver Nuggets were a dynasty.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Can possibly beat the Boston Celtics. I mean and I
think and and Doug and I think that's sort of
my broader point, which is that this is just like,
and it's been said before, it like this is the
era of parody, and it just feels like I had
to thought yesterday going into next season. Excuse me, I'm
battling a little bit of cold thing. How many teams
(37:51):
can credibly feel like they can win two rounds in
the playoffs next year? Like, dude, Like like if the
Spurs do the Spurs up and like, do they see
a path to winning two rounds? Because I kind of
think they might, you know, and certainly the Lakers with
a in shape and motivated Luka Doncic are gonna feel
(38:13):
that way. You know, the Clippers are gonna feel that.
I mean, like you just go down the list, it's
gonna be like twenty teams, and you know, I think
that level of sort of teams with their with the
talent in the league, the mixture of old talent and
young talent, the sort of the way the game has played,
the variance in shooting, It just sort of feels like
(38:36):
every year we're gonna see gonna see somebody that that
feels inevitable. And then we'll watch their inevitability kind of fall.
That's sort of my that's my big picture takeaway of
these NBA Finals is that this is just gonna It
feels like it's gonna be a decade of things like this,
where it's just it's this, you know, it's this is
this year seemed Now, Look, Doug, when we do the
(38:56):
six years from now and the thunder of one four titles,
I'm gonna look stupid again.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And I'm with you, I'm not gonna. I remember when
the Cubs won the World Series and people are starting
to talk about dynasties. I had a buddy on the Cups.
He's like, we're never winning one again. These guys, it's
a mess. These guys at each other. No, it is.
And then what happens when you win is, you know,
it's the the pat Riley disease of me kicks in right.
(39:22):
So it's fascinating. I do think again, I could be wrong.
This one would be a hard one for Oklahoma City
to lose. From the standpoint of you hat home court advantage.
I think by most people's estimation, you're the better team,
You're fully healthy. You know last year you're beaten by
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what's proceeded to be an inferior team in the Dallas Mavericks,
like you're not going to get an easier runway to
winning an NBA title, then a banged up Nuggets team.
You don't play Steph, you don't play Lebron, you play
the Wolves who are still like nobody expected them to
be that far, and then you play the Pacers in
the finals. The Pacers are there there with house money.
(40:09):
I could I am I wrong to think this could
be one where Oklahoma City, in an effort to to
make that final step, they're the type of team that
could overreact because that's the this is the type of
devastating series loss if they lose more games could.
Speaker 9 (40:24):
Be Yeah, I mean that's generally generally not been the
way Sam Presty's operated, right, So I think that is uh.
I would say, like the one sort of argument against
all that, Doug. But and look, by no means should
anyone concede this series down to one No to the
Indiana Pacers, right like, let's just for all the reasons
(40:46):
you just mentioned, I think there there will be reaction.
I mean, look, I don't I don't really think the
reason they've lost either of these games is because of
the change their starting lineup. Like, honestly, I don't really
think that's why they've lost. I do think when I
when I've watched these games, I feel like they have
(41:08):
And this is kind of one of those things talk
it's easy for me to say, right like, I'm not
I'm not in the coaches meetings, I'm not on the
sunite trying to play one of the things that I
when I watch games, I tend to look like who
is doing what they want and who is reacting?
Speaker 4 (41:21):
You know.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
It's just sort of like a way to get an
easier sort of way to judge games. And like, by
and large, it felt like they've played reactionary basketball in
this series to Indiana style instead of just being the
versions of themselves that was dominant, particularly against the Eastern
Conference this year, playing multiple bigs, getting in the half court,
(41:44):
doing what they do in the half court. Like there
was a play early in the game, you know, and
it's not that they can't run, they should run when
you know, chet Holgern gets the rebound and goes, you know,
coast to coast with the basketball, you know what I mean.
And it's like that is what makes chet Holmgren different
than every other you know, not every other, but most
seven footers in the NBA is his ability to do that, like,
(42:06):
you know, his ability to play out of the pocket
and playmake makes him different, Like he has ball skills
that are different doing the things that make their guys
so unique. I think, like that's what I wanted to
see more of, and I feel like I felt like
early in the third quarter it looked like they had
gotten to it. I think they came out right score
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down their first four possessions, get into the mid range
spots they like, creating files like getting Indiana frustrated, and
then like you know, the Pacers, to their credit, just
like just just kind of push back and didn't let it,
didn't let that wave sort of wash over them. And
I think that was a really surprising moment for me
in this series. Maybe Indiana is better than I've given
(42:49):
them credit for. I think they're good, Don't get me wrong.
I think they're very good. And they do a lot
like they take care of the basketball, and when you
take care of the basketball in the modern NBA, like
you have a great chance to win. And I think,
you know, Oloma City's playmaking. To me, it's just been
a little rocky and they just haven't really been themselves.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, they they have not, and it's gonna be interesting
to see if they can write that. Chip Dan Wiki
joining us LA Times covers the entire NBA. Uh you
mentioned that this is what it's going to look like. Well, okay,
but they're you know, everybody's still gonna go after Gianni's
gonna go after KD may not be the super teams,
(43:27):
but more super ish. Let's start with the Knicks. I'm
gonna make the case that asking to talk to coaches
who are currently under contract is a really smart thing
to do. Okay, I understand that right now most of
us in the media are sitting there going they got
egg on their face. These guys can't even talk to them. Okay,
(43:49):
but one you don't have to. You can still hire
a guy. The guy just resigns and you can go
through the agent whatever. But this is what you should
do when you're trying to when you're like, take a
shot at five names that you don't think you can
get and see if somebody is unhappy. Right, Like I called,
I'd love to calling Jason Kidd, Like do I think
(44:09):
he's their greatest coach. I don't know. They went to
the NBA Finals, and what level of unhappy is he
because of the Luca trade.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Sure, and that firstly seemed less like a blind shot
in the dark than say Billy Donovan. Sure, like the
Jason Kid. Things seemed a little more measured at least
than some of the other ones.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
But yeah, okay, but anyway, Like I don't hate I
didn't think they should have fired TIBs, but I get
asking a couple of the guys that you think are
the best coach in the NBA what their level of
interest is, and you never know if somebody's not happy
that said, what do they do now?
Speaker 9 (44:49):
Well? And I think right, like one, I mean, I
think I think you're right, Like ultimately, the the the
egg on their face from getting turned down on these
these conver stations, right like it's it makes for a
good joke, you know, but it doesn't really mean anything.
Like I can text the league source and say, hey,
I got a call from New York. I thought it
was Leon Rose asking my wife out for a date.
(45:10):
I can make that joke right now, and everybody can
kind of ha ha ha ha, you know, whatever. But
the reality is is that like none of this matters, right, Like,
the the Knicks are still the Knicks. Their brand is
not going to be harmed by any of this. It's
just a good laugh we'll have for right now, and
we have the attention span of like NAT's. We'll forget
about this, and you know, as soon as one of
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these other guys gets traded, it'll be and it won't
be a topic anymore. I think though, the broader issue is,
and you look at the way that the Knicks have
operated the last two years where they have sort of
like put their team on this path, They put their
roster on a real path. They they put their chips
behind Jalen Brunson and they built a roster around him.
(45:56):
That makes a ton of sense. If you're going to
have a six foot it offensive engine, like you need
these kind of ranging defenders. Now, the Karlington Towns part
of it all doesn't totally make sense along that line,
but every other decision has been like kind of towards this,
you know, doing doing things this way. I think what
what surprised people and what surprised me is when when
(46:18):
you know they fired TIBs, you know, after after making
the conference finals. I was with some NBA people actually
here in southern California, and the logic run away was, oh, well,
like they have to know who they want like that
that you do that you make that kind of decision
generally speaking with a you fire this coach because you
know who you're going to hire, sure, And and this
(46:40):
certainly seems like they don't know who they're going to
hire now maybe all maybe all along it was gonna
be Mike Brown or Taylor Jenkins. And then this is
sort of the the this is awesome like long game
to see like maybe somebody else shakes this like like
we'll figure it out. But but I think like what
it does is it shows holes in the process and
in a time when and like we mentioned, parody is
(47:02):
all of that stuff like like process matters. You know,
all of this stuff is percentage points and decimals that
that impact your chances of winning. And you know if
you do something rash without like a good plan B No. Now,
the other thing it tells me is that it just
shows you how untenable they view Tom Thibodeau right, that
(47:23):
they would do this without even knowing what was going
to happen. Next it does speak. Yeah, it's like pulling
all your money out of a four oh one k
without looking at like what that means for your taxes.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, it's streaky nice, it's Oh, it's the classic overreaction.
It's a classic overaction.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But on the other on the other hand, like, he's right,
Tims has TIBs. That's first tips has been and a
lot of that TIBs doesn't sub narrative came out to
be true. And when you own the team, you have
the right to make a change if you feel like
it's not right. Doesn't mean it's right decision. I just
it's the whole thing is fascinating to me because I
actually like some of the thoughts in the process. I
just don't. It's how they got there, which is what
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you're talking about, and where they end up, which is
the parts.
Speaker 9 (48:03):
That I think you also don't really Doug, you mentioned this,
they like get a part about this that's just strange
and you don't really need to do this right, Like,
there are other ways. There are other ways to like
ask for permission without.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Asking for permission.
Speaker 9 (48:16):
Two, Like that's the other part of this, right is
that it's a this is a small league, particularly when
it comes to coaching agents, right, Like, you make a
couple of calls there and you can figure out who's interested,
who's not going to be.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
No, No, it's for show. It's for show. It's it's an
optics thing, right the only reason you do it. It's
either for show or it's to rattle some of the
other teams, to mess with some of their teams. Hey,
you know, Jason Kids, guy stepped up said he can't talk.
So now it makes everybody else step up and say
their guy can't talk. Dan Wicky Joints us LA Times.
What do the Lakers look like next season?
Speaker 9 (48:50):
Great question? Skinnier hopefully, I think is like one place
that starts, they're going to look like they're in better shape.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He does do this every year, by the way.
Speaker 9 (49:00):
He does every year, I know, and particularly in years
when there's European club there's national competitions, right like, I mean,
this is not I mean, he's getting in shape for
more than the upcoming NBA season, right like, he's gonna
be playing in euro Basket. It's very important, and I think, like,
but but there are other factors that play here with Luca,
you know, and this was one of the things, and
we'll see, right like, this isn't the type of thing
(49:22):
we're going to know through a couple of summer through
a couple of pictures of the summer, or some videos
of him squatting, you know. I think one of the
things in the aftermath of the there's no think about this,
I know. One of the things in the aftermath of
the Luca trade was was that people both around Luca
and people around the Lakers kind of thought it would
be great for him to see Lebron James and just
(49:44):
to see what that looks like, the type of commitment
physically that that takes, right, just to have a front
row seat for something like that, to see the way
that Lebron James works as his personal trainer Mike Man
see this and that team, and as Luca kind of
figures out how the best move forwards in that way,
that that would be valuable insight. Now, whether or not
that fully shows up three months later, if that's more
(50:07):
of a three year investment, we'll see. They got to
get a center, Doug, you know, and and the I
don't know where they're going to find one. The list,
like the lists aren't great, but they got to find
a center. The one they had they benched in the playoffs,
so it's gonna be hard to go knock on that
door again, I think. And they've got limited means. They've
(50:31):
got basically one, you know, one real trade asset. They're
not going to trade Austin Reeves for a middling center.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
That's just what's the what's their trade asset?
Speaker 9 (50:42):
I mean they have a they have a first round
pick in either twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two,
and they have Dalton connect That's what they have to trade.
And they have a bunch of expiring contracts which are valuable,
like valuable in the sense that they can facilli trate
a trade. Now, the question that you're asking, if you roblink,
is like, are we going to put these assets in
play for say Nick Claxtons? You know, is that good
enough for us? If this is like this is the
(51:03):
road now we were walking down with Luca Dodg just
where we were pairing this person with Nicholas Claxton, are
we doing this for? You know? I think you know
another name you hear a lot is Daniel Gafford. I
don't think Dallas is making a trade with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
No, we made our trade with Lakers. We did well work.
I think we're good guys.
Speaker 9 (51:20):
I think that I think that needs to reset that
that clock needs to probably reset.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 9 (51:25):
But you know, like like you hear names out there
like that, like you wonder. You know what's interesting about
all this is the Lakers showed their hand right at
the trade online with Mark Williams. They showed what they're
willing to pay for a young center. So you can
look around the NBA at who the centers are that
that sort of fit that bill, you know, are they
willing to do that for Jalen Duran? Is Jalen Duran
(51:47):
the fit uh cash and everything.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
There's there's no way Detroit moves. Jalen Duran is so awesome.
He's so he's so awesome.
Speaker 9 (51:56):
He's a little bit it's interesting you say that, and
I'm just saying, like he of that age. You know,
he's getting ready for his next big contract. He's about
to get sure a really big contract. And like kind
of on the Mark Limbs thing, he's a guy that
I think, like when you talk to people around Detroit,
it is interesting they've been tied to a lot of
bigs this summer. You hear them a lot with nas Reeds.
They have Isaiah Stewart, a player they love defensively, and
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it's like the one the question is is sort of
like can he be our defensive anchor? He's that kind
of center. Well, that's the kind of like if Detroit's
asking that question while having him, Yeah, you have to
ask that question if you're the Lakers whore for getting
reader to give them everything else you can get, it's
going to empty the bank account for him. It's just
you know, it's going to take a level of creativity,
I think. And the crazy thing is that it might
(52:41):
take patience, which again is maybe the thing you don't have.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the hard part of all of this. Yeah,
not them, Like like Plink has drafted really well, really well,
but these they've they've generally owned.
Speaker 9 (52:58):
I mean, good luck to fifty Yeah, good luck at
fifty four, you know what I mean, Like, there is
no like that. You're you're not going to find an
answer there.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Hey, hey, listen, they got they got Bronnie. Last year
a lot of people wanted Brownie.
Speaker 9 (53:08):
They Yeah, I mean, you know, there's uh, look at
Bronnie was seven point one. You know, you know, I
think I had two heads.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
If I had two heads, i'd be in the circus. Uh.
Speaker 9 (53:18):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a tough it's just a
tough center market.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
You know.
Speaker 9 (53:21):
I think a stop gap option, certainly again, seems like
the path of Leasters as since the Clickabella Brooklypez. Is
that different continue winning and losing an NBA championship? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, this is true, And I still don't know if
you can do it with two guys that don't guard
anybody in or three guys that don't guard anybody on
the court. And that's what they have with their three
best offensive players. But Dan, we could talk Lakers and
the NBA all all day.
Speaker 9 (53:46):
Oh we will, Doug. You're in the media.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
You'll will be there, I know, and I'm probably gonna guy,
I got a book. You on my pod. We'll just
talk hoop for a for a couple hours and and
just get it all out there in the meantime. I
appreciate you joining us, I truly do. Thanks for being
our guest.
Speaker 9 (53:58):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Doug
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the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, we'll get to Jjspond. We'll
see if he continues to be the leader at the
end of the entirety of the first round. I don't
know buyers all over that, I mean Oakmont to shoot
a birdie, a bogey free round four under is pretty amazing.
I mean, here's a guy who has won one PGA event,
(01:11):
one PGA event, and if you tune into the podcast today,
I'll tell you what what the the no name leader
to the US Open reminds me of in in movie
Dum if you will, in movie dumb Uh, Let's let's
get to the NBA Finals Cuz you know, as I
(01:32):
told you yesterday, I don't think anybody, myself included, was
super fired up about Game three one because as the
guys that point out the schedules, whack, I thought it
was Sunday, Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday, Thursday. Then they're like Wednesday, Friday, Sunday.
Wait what? And the games outside of the last you know,
a couple minutes of Game one was a snooze, so
(01:57):
you kind of thought, all right, maybe game three is this.
Game three is a good game. And it brought to
mind a cliche that is used on TV, but it
actually is an accurate depiction of what happened last night.
(02:18):
And I was explaining to a buddy mind Andy, who
is he wants to get into the business. I said, hey,
you have to find a way to not use cliches,
only sort of use cliches. It's like, I don't what
do you mean? Well, the cliches in many ways are
(02:41):
in fact true, right, there are there are things that
have been stated time and again. Now they've been stay
in time and again because quite often they are in
they are true. But we're taught just don't be cliche.
Don't utter cliches. Uh jase, do your most overused or
most again things annoy you? Cliche that comes to mind?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Hey, you can't judge a book by its cover.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You can't can't judge a book by his cover, can't.
What's weird about that is how many times have you
bought a book because of the cover? If you ever
looking for a book or you're an airport, like, man,
I got a couple hours to kill. I mean, I'm
gonna buy a book. Like do you read the first
chapter or do you just read the Do you look
at the front, you look at the back, You're like, yeah,
(03:28):
sounds good, wrap it up, let's go. Can't judge a
book by its cover? Fier you gotta Do you have
a cliche? Or I'm like, oh, here's a cliche that
comes to your mind immediately.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
One of my favorites because I think it's flexible. The
grass is always greener on the other side, but then
when you find out the consequence, guess what the grass
isn't always greener on the other side.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's flexible.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, Sam is a cliche that comes to your mind
when I say cliches.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Well going with a sports cliche. It's a game of inches.
But actually think that that there's a lot of truth
that because, especially in the era we live in now
of video review, everything now is a game of inches.
Was his foot on the line?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Was he in bounds? Where do the ref spot the ball?
But obviously it's kind of a speaking to a larger
idea of like, you know, even details, even.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
In track and field where you use meters, it's still
a game of inches.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
There you go. So that one I think holds true.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
But the point that you got to you're like, well,
you know, it really is a game inches. It is.
No one's saying the grass is always greener on their
side and then it isn't always green on their side.
Like these statements are true, and you can't judge a
book by its cover, but it's it's a it's worthy
of discussion. When the when the going gets tough, the
tough dude get going. They just do. They don't build
(04:56):
them like they used to. They just don't They don't
build them like used to. They don't build like used to.
By the way, there's no more ambiguous neutral comment that
sounds like it's an ode to the older days. Then
they don't be them like they used to it they don't.
There are some structures that were really well constructed. There
are lots of structures that were very poorly constructed back
(05:19):
in the day. Like was that mortar? Like yeah, sort
of sort of whatever they had they kind of stuck together,
made mortar to keep the bricks together. They're like, wow,
they don't build house like they used to. You're right now,
we like, you know, are plumbing and air conditioning. You
are correct. Have you ever been to a modern house,
like a really brand new modern house, Like, wow, this
is way better than that's old. But we always use
(05:41):
the I bring up the cliche because have you ever
heard Kendrick Perkins or others on TV say they know
role players they played better at home? And I was
looking TJ McConnell, for example, ten points, five assists, five steals,
first NBA player to post those numbers off the bench
(06:01):
in an NBA Finals game. He was a plus twelve
in fifteen minutes. He's a role player. He played great,
and he was at home. And you know, on the
other side, you're watching like, I don't know why Oklahoma
City had lou Dort in at the end of the game,
but lou Dort's inability to shoot meant that the Pacers
(06:23):
could just play completely in the gaps and leave him
alone in the corner. But if you remember previous series,
the big win over Denver, it was lou Dort hitting
corner threes. But those were at home, right Ben Mathering
Ben Mathern has an unbelievable game last night, and look,
Ben's scoring guard comes off the bench just a he's
(06:45):
our score. But he's a role player, right, role player,
and he played great at home. The point of it is,
it's a cliche. Just because we say don't use cliches
does not mean doesn't mean it's not true. It just
means they're super overused expressions. And let's find a different
(07:08):
way to say the same thing. So in a different
way to say the same thing. But I was watching
that last night and I was just like, ah, there's
that cliche. And I was talking a week ago to
a buddy mine who works for the Thunder and I
can't remember who we were talking about over we talking
about Lue Dort. He's like, yeah, role players. He's like,
(07:29):
there's a reason that people say it. It's because it's true.
It's just an overused expression. So while the Dodgers were
beating up on the padres, You're welcome, Jase too. I
did pay attention, and there was other stuff going on,
and Dan Byer's getting ready for Oakmont. I know how
(07:50):
excited he is, like this is an epic challenge for
all of these golfers. I'm sitting there watching, going, yeah,
you know, it's kind of true because the role players
are what won them the game. Ben Matherin twenty seven points,
(08:12):
twenty seven points in twenty two minutes. TJ McConnell ten,
five and five in fifteen minutes. You know, even Obie Toppen,
who there's a couple times where it felt like he
was running and he had the turbo button down and
somebody's like, hey, let go of the turbo button. You're
going too fast. He like turns it over. Obie Topmen
was outstanding last night. And I don't know if it's
(08:35):
because they're at home, because they've kind of figured it out.
Because the ball was going in or whatever it is.
But it does play into that cliche of role players
played better and more confidently at home as opposed to
Oklahoma City's role players. Who you know, Caruso hit a
couple of shots, but Aaron Wiggins, who was an absolute
(09:00):
star in game two or game one. In game two,
game one, he had eighteen points, right, he's a role
player eighteen points in twenty one minutes, was at home. Again.
There's the cliche role players play better at home. That
was in game two. I apologize and my game's kind
of screwed up when I was looking at the game log.
(09:20):
So Aaron Wiggins goes from eighteen points, who doesn't pee
a drop last night? Not a drop. This is not
me being critical of him. This is me saying, hey,
you know, there's something to these old cliches might actually
be true. You know, might actually be true. And now
(09:40):
you get to the series where you're sitting there and
if you are, like I think most of us, where
we believe Oklahoma City is in fact better, we think
like they're the better team. They they do have to
win what three of the next next four, don't they?
(10:06):
They gotta win three of the next four games from
the Indiana Pacers. It's a it's a it's weird how
the math affects the brain. If you guys ever noticed that, Like, yeah,
it's just two one Bolcaoma City wins Game four, they
get back home court advantage, and they win Game five.
Say they drop game six, they win Game seven at home,
perfect NBA series for all parties, shake hances, blah blah blah.
(10:27):
But then when you stop to think about this way,
they have to win three of four games from the
Indiana Pacers. Yes, stand byre.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's funny because the survivor pool that Jason Stewart and
I talk about when it comes to Major League Baseball,
I go through the exact same thinking. But I also
thought about something that we said on yesterday's show. You
and I said something different, and I forgot who the
the guest that you had on yesterday that agreed with you.
Oh it is Antonio Daniels thinking that last night was
(10:56):
a must win for the Pacers and I you asked
me that question, and I thought it was for the
Thunder And I think it's obvious on why it was
a must win for the Pacers, But I also don't
think that I was necessarily wrong, and it leads into
a little bit about what you're talking about with Oklahoma
City in this situation of yeah, now they do have
(11:18):
to win three out of the next four against the
team that has kind of given them fits. So I've
actually gone back and forth in my head because I
still believe and I still stand by saying that I
felt that last night was important for Oklahoma City because
I felt they could have closed out the series with
a win last night.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, I actually I agree with you. I agree with
that that sentiment of it. Agree, go ahead, I'm sorry.
That's why I thought. That's why I thought we were
actually saying the same thing in opposite things. That's why
I thought it was more important for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You look at it two to one, or you can
look at it Oklahoma City's got to win three out
of the next four.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It's weird how you can mentally trick your mind with
numbers that way, because the other part too it you
can go like, well, well, here's the reality to it is,
say Indiana goes up three games to one, it does
you know, look, obviously that puts Oklahoma City in a tough,
tough position. Now you gotta win three of three. The
(12:15):
other way to look at it is you got too
at home. You really got to win one road game, Like,
it's not that huge of a hill to climb when
out again, outside of the last two minutes of Game one,
you're combined fifty points better than the Indiana Pacers when
you're playing at home. But yeah, Antonio Daniels was our
(12:38):
guest yesterday and so but I think he agreed with
me for the same reason that we all actually agree
with you, right, which is had Oklahoma City won last night,
it's not much of a series. It's like, because you're
like Indiana, you have no level of faith that they
can win three out of four from Oklahoma City, especially
(12:58):
with two of them on.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
The Yeah, and their advantage would have been taken away,
you know, right away. Now they still have that home
court advantage.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I feel like, now we have a series. It's weird again.
Here's a cliche that you always get in the NBA.
Series doesn't start to the road team wins a game like, Yeah,
I didn't really feel like Game one made it a series.
Game one was interesting. Oklahoma City didn't close out, but
they did this against Denver. Right now, Indiana wins a
(13:27):
home game, takes two games one late, now we get
a legit series.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I yeah, and I thought it did.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Like I thought Game one changed everything in my mind
and looking at because I also felt that a lot
of people jumped on the thunder bandwagon after Game two,
and again we talked about it yesterday. Of it's a
different animal when you go on the road. And the
thing with the Pacers is they they do play great
(13:53):
comeback basketball and sometimes they've thrown in stinkers. Even in
their loss in the Cavs series was a stinker and
the Eastern Conference semi finals. That may come up in
Game four, but it also may not because you just
don't know on who Indiana is and it's not like
Oklahoma City has been perfect in all of this, the
(14:14):
two you know, imperfections. It's also why I said, I
think this is going to be the worst NBA Finals
champ that we've had in decades, at least in my lifetime.
And then some of it showed last night.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, that being said, last night was an enjoyable watch.
You know, we'll get to what Adam Silver said. I
want to have a conversation about it. I think it's
I actually think that I think he spoke a lot
of truths. But I'm willing to hear. If you guys
(14:45):
think that he's just it's just word salad. We'll get
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Thursday part of the show, which is don't call to
Throwback Thursday. So guys, you know, again, in year one
you learn stuff. In year two you're like, okay, you
start to implement that. So I had a vision of, hey,
we should do some team building things, and now we
have it scheduled too. We're gonna do one thing per week.
(16:54):
You don't overload them, you know. When they come to
my house, we go play golf, we go whitewater afting,
which is like an hour and ten from here. It's
not bad. My guy Dale shout out to Daily Listens
every day. So today we we did paintball wars. Nice
you guys, Sam, you didn't been paintballing.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
I used to be a big paintballer back when I
was in high school. Had all the gear, the guns,
the you.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Know, the the.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Clips or whatever, magazines, all the you know everything, the vests.
But I haven't been since I school. But it is
a lot of fun. Welts all over you.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I do not now. I got hit in the unmentionables,
which which was very painful, Yes, very painful. I don't
I don't know if I got a a straight on.
I think my clothing slowed it down a little bit
because it hurt like a devil. But no, no welting marks.
(17:50):
And it was from a distant shot.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Just wait till tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, But most the other guys have welts Wherever they got,
they got hit squarely. I mean I I had one
round where I was I was literally Lee Harvey Oswald,
I was I was stipend people taking him out. I
was amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Were you guys like in a forest setting? Like what
kind of what kind of course were you on.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Uh, it's like, uh, it's probably a felt like maybe
a five acre property, and like one is like abandoned cars,
one is like you know, one has like all the
climbing apparatuses, and one is like shipping containers and it's
one of each and you kind of rotate all of them.
Was super fun. By Are you ever been paintballing?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I like how you were cautious on on telling us
the location that you were hit. Yeah, we're so free
with the assassination of a president, you know, to to
characterize your shooting skill flowed like a river. That just
just yes.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And he did go millennial too, and he changed the
meaning of the world. Literally, he said, I was literally
Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, it's more figuratively, it's more figuratively. You're right, You're right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
We were him in essence.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I had some magic bullets though sometimes all I'm saying
those bullets are magical, Jase to have you have you
paintball before?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Never? Once?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
No, it was fun.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It's really fun. Those suckers hurt, Oh they hurt.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's why I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh, no, no question, it's not. I mean I get it.
I I understand.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
There's a little bit of satism, Like you know, it's
pain for pleasure. Is pain pain with the pleasure of playing.
And it's fine. It's it's it's it's adrenaline pumping. It's fun.
It's just expensive. It's expensive.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Hobby.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. I mean again, if it's a hobby, it's expensive.
It's a one off for a group of the We did.
We did bowling last week, did bowling last week, paintball,
We got some other stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
All right, in some white water rafting. Yeah, man, you
got all the good. You should take your guys up
to the Dell's go to that outdoor.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Uh, it's down to the dell.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
South of you? Or is it just always Dan?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Dan? Can I get a Can I get a virtual
fist pump on the YouTube page? Here? Can we just?
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I nailed it. I nailed Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Down down to the Dell's all right, down down. It's
been a while. I haven't been there, and since I was,
we tought.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
We tut all right, let's uh, let's get to do
call to throw back Thursday.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Let me introduce you. Thank you to those of you
new to the show, It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh.
Dan Bayer loves the fact that he's brilliant about the
history of sports. That's I think this is a little
bit of a show off thing, no question. If I
had and I have really good memory not buyers. If
I had that, I would create different ways to show
that off. Whereas Jason Stewart took his ideas like, Hey,
(20:55):
I always wanted to be f M Morning DJ guy.
I can and we can look back at at great
music and then me being the movie guy, I get
to look back at the great movies of the year.
So Jase Stu, what's the year today?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. We're going
to look back at twenty eleven. I want all of
our listeners and everyone participated in the show right now
to think about what you were doing on this day
in twenty eleven. I bet you guys don't know what
happened today, So I'm going to tell you. The Dallas
Mavericks upset the Miami Heat to win the NBA Finals.
(21:32):
Fourteen years ago today, Derek Novinski was the leader of
the of the MAVs. But let me give you a
couple other names that might ring a bell. Jason Kidd
was the point guard Tyson Chandler who was drafted out
of high school. I think he was. He went to
Domingus High which I once saw in the Sports Illustrated
(21:54):
article described as this an island in a sea of gangs.
No laughs, Okay, Jason Terry came off the bench, Deshaun.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
We were supposed to laugh at that sounds rather serious. Yeah, no,
it's dark humor. JJ Berea was also on.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Okay, but it's not funny when I say, hey, I
was Lee Harvey Oswald for a minute, and that was
in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You're literally too soon, bro, yeah soon.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Wait, by the way, are you talking Domingus High School
as an island in is it? What in the island
of gangs?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
An island in the sea of gangs, as was once
described in an SI article about Tyson Chandler.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh okay, okay, you got to go read about their coach.
There's some bad stuff that went on behind the scenes
there too.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I just I've always loved that description like that. I've
used it many times since. Anyways, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James,
Chris Bosch, the Big three. They were defeated today and
they were not supposed to ever lose. Remember Lebron James
told us they were going to win what five, six, seven, eight,
eight titles and then they lost. They lost that one,
(23:05):
not three didn't work at four, not five, not six,
not seven. Now Dan Bayer came in during the break
and he said, I'm really looking forward to what you're
going to focus on, because is it going to be
the NBA Finals from twenty eleven or is it going
to be the US Open. So I'm going to give
(23:25):
him the floor right now to tell us all the
exciting things that happened that year in golf.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And I thought it was an open opportunity and no
pun intended because of what transpired earlier this year. It
was also twenty eleven was the year that Rory McElroy
won his first career major, taking a softened Congressional and
bringing it to its knees. This just months after blowing
his Master's lead entering the final round on Sunday, So
(23:52):
it was a bit of redemption for Rory McElroy that
Masters ended up being won by Charles Schwartzel that year.
But in twenty eleven, it was Rory McElroy winning the
US Open. Darren Clark won the Open Championship. The great
part about that was he was still drunk from the
night before when he showed up at his Monday morning
press conference.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Keegan Bradley claimed the PGA Championship that year at the
Atlanta Athletic Club, his first and only major for the
current US Ryder Cup captain. But I thought it was
going to be maybe the US Open because it was
Rory McElroy's first major that he won of his career.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yes, and so I come through you a curveball there.
I will say this, You always keep us on our toes.
Things keep coming full circle, right. Rick Carlisle won the
NBA Final NBA Finals eleven years ago today, Rory McElroy
won his first major. Guess who won his only Super
Bowl in February sixth of twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yes, bingo, and he beat the team he's now playing for.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
How about that boom?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Pittsbury Steelers.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
More importantly, for that season, Green Bay was dominant in
that following regular season.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
After the NFL lockout.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Remember that twenty eleven where we were close to maybe
not having football, but the just lockout ended and we
had football and the Packers went fifteen and one.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I'm really surprised, Jay Stu that you didn't lead with baseball.
O well, of the best World Series in our lifetime.
Cardinals were down their last strike twice in Game six,
David Freese twice, and David Freese was the hero. They
end up winning in seven over the Texas Rangers in
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another kind of epic battle, and David Freese goes on
to become the World Series MVP. Your Saint Louis Cardinals
for your World Series champions in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's another full circle moment actually, because the loser of
that World Series was Ron Washington, and now he's getting
a lot of l's as the manager of the Angels.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, before after the rod Washed it was that the
year before or after the cocaine new story came out.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I can't remember, Oh man, that was rough. Yeah, the
Boston Bruins won the Sandy Cup Final, Dan, you remember
that one con smythe award winner Tim Thomas was one
of your favorites.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I loved Tim Thomas he was good at Leanover for
that year.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
But no, do you know why, I definitely do remember
that for two reasons. Vancouver came oh so close to
winning the Stanley Cup Final.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It did not happen.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Lost in in seven games. They were up three to
two in the series. But I also, yes, I also lost.
I also lost my NHL ten season with the Vancouver
Canucks that year to the Boston Bruins in the Stanley
Cup Finals. I played a full eighty two game season
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and went through the playoffs and I was dominant, guys,
I was. I was dominant in that game. I jumped
out to an early series lead, and then I started
messing around, and what do you know, I lost Game
seven against the computer on NHL ten. That's true, true story.
We're talking about twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yes, but that was That was the game.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And then I'm like, wow, history repeats itself that the
Bruins upset the Canucks.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I didn't know what. By the way, I didn't know
what a knuck was until right now, I looked it up,
and it's like a slang term for a Canadian.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
I thought it was like a type of duck or
something like a waterfowl like a heron.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Because it sounds like a duck. I guess a Canuck
must be like a duck.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I have seen the Ducks play the Canucks at the Hopits.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's listen, it's a reasonable thing. It is interesting that
the Canuck is a Canadian, and there's also the Montreal
Canadians Canadians. Some ways, it's the Canadians against the Canadian.
NCAA basketball that year, Oh, don't remind me, uh, Yukon
was your national champion. Yuke was your national champion. They
beat Kentucky in the final four. VCU first four to
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the final four, took on Butler. Butler played him one
of the ugliest first halfs in NCAA tournament history in
the first half of the the national championship game, where
it was much like Jason Stewart in high school. Butler
couldn't score.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I covered that final four, Doug. I don't know where
you were at that point, but I was there.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, there were.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Because you had VCU and Butler VC. You brought a
lot of fans. I'll give them credit for that. But
small schools with Butler and Yukon and they weren't bringing
a lot of fans, and then when Kentucky got housted.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, it was. It was a rough weekend for the
final four and twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Also again, I believe that was Teach McConnell's the point
guard for Arizona when they lost in the Elite eight
to the Huskies. Teacher McConnell the star last night. There's
your full circle moment, Jase two. I knew you'd like that.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Jason. Give me the movies, I mean give me the music, sorry,
music of twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, I think that Rick Carlisle was holding up the
David Bing Trophy? Is that what it's called? Am I
way off here? David Bing?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
What there's the Lady Bing?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Larry, Larry I'll bring for the trophy?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Larry O'Brien, Larry O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
He was, he was holding that up when they asked
him what what he was listening to on is what
do you call those things? The eyes something ie iPod
iPod on the way to this game and this he
gave this answer surprisingly.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Number three on the Billboard Hot one hundred End of
Year list.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Katy Perry unfortunately in movies a couple of sequels, Harry
Potter two was the grossed three hundred and eighty one
million dollars. Transformers Dark of the Moon was the second
highest grossing film. Twilight's first Twilight film was third, Hangover two,
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and then the second or third, Pirates of the Caribbean
was fifth fast five to six, Mission Impossible Cars to
Sherlock Holmes, A Game of Shadows, and four. In other words,
in terms of even new series, there was only two
of the top ten movies that year. In twenty eleven,
people back like Hollywood just now has forgotten how to
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make good new movies with new storylines. Nope, go back
fourteen years ago and a lot of sequels, a lot
of sequels.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
We go back to Katy Perry. This has been the
segment where we went full circle. So Katy Perry, Firework,
this is off for I think second album. This wasn't
the album with Eye Kissed a Girl, so it's the
next one. Firework ascended to three in the Billboard chart.
But I will say full circle moment. Who would have
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known that just eleven or fourteen years later she would
be taking a spacecraft up, a billionaire spacecraft up into
the space with a couple other famous rich people all
women who took way too much credit for being women
up in the spacecraft. And then the best joke that
came from that incident was a meme online that said
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that Katie Perry started singing while they were up in space.
No wonder they came down so fast?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Was it this song?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Because the rocket ascended like a firework, And we can't
forget this tune as well. Jason Stewart has a lot
to say about this song. He said, put that on
the list, Sam, put that on the queue.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Now this is a song about at school shooting.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Right, I think it is.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, do you know that buyer?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah? No, I looked at the cakes.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Baby run, Baby run faster than my bullets?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Oh great? Wow?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, firstly Harveys wall Now I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Just saying, like, I know, like I I'd like the
song too that I listened to. It was like, wait, what.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Dark Derek lyrics? And then there was this song. I'm
not a big fan of Maroon five, but I'll give
him this a little throwback to the Maroon five. Hold
on now, oh yeah, this is.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Some Root five. Last last year they were at Summerfest.
I think it nothing but than Summerfest.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, Summer Fest.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
A lot of people say, Jason Ward moves like Jagger Checker.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, this one's got a good groove to it, with
catchy Christina Aguilera on it as well.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I just I think since the Super Bowl performance where
he was shirtless, I'm like, hey, I'm out on this group.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
That Hormans was not good, but this song is is
all right.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
He moves Mick Jagger Stones, who still got it? By
the way, light on his feet? Mick Jagger does Mick
Jagger still light.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
On his feet.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I also liked Mick Jagger because it was a made
up name that Doug Heffert had made to fool Lardy
on King of Queens.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
That he worked with a Mick Jager.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Sorry, So whenever I just hear Mick Jagger, I think
of the King of Queens episode, I.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Don't think of the Rolling Stones. I think of that
line in King of Queens.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Maybe uh, maybe Doug could do a bonding trip next
week and take his team to go karaoke, and then
he can come on the show the next day and
says say, he was literally Mick Jagger last night.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Oh jeez, you're piling on today.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Given Doug, if you had if you had a camera.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I'm telling you your number one in our YouTube YouTube page.
So I'm telling you right there. But I mean, I
wasn't the one who dropped the What is that song
even called? I forget?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Are you talking about pumped up Kicks?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Is that pumped up kicks?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Pumped up kicks? Foster the People, Fluster the People, great
alternative band from fourteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
We're giving you a lot of ideas, Doug Karaoke, go
down to the Dell's, bowling, paintballing. I mean, you got
the potentially unlist This is why water rafting.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
You could have said over to the Dells too, Sam,
that would have worked.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It's not going to go to Del's.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Not going up to the Dell's.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
We're gonna go to the Dell's there. And that is
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Speaker 1 (34:46):
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Speaker 2 (34:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Who doesn't like the song?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Oh, this song is awful?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Just this is this a great eighty song? What is
the matter with the song? They that it's a cliche.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
They went to Billy Ocean and they said, we're going
to go against We're gonna do the sequel to Romance
in the Stone. You have five minutes to think of
a song that's the true story, and it's true story.
Good five minutes to think of the song. It's an
awful song. Dan Byron likes it too.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'm never gonna judge somebody for anything, but I can
I can make fun of your taste.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, dlling our calm Andy Mountain, the guy on hell
Swim any see.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Dan Wookie's a He's a music connoisseur. He enjoys.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I had no idea he get in here. On the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio, he covers the
NBA for the La Times. Uh, Billy Ocehan, go.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Rob Polinka right now to every perspective center, get out
of my dreams, get into my front court.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Hey, true story buyer. I don't know if you know
this first concert I ever attended. Similar time span sort
of similar. Jeffrey Osborne, Yes, yeah, woo woo song you
should be mine his actual name of the song, and
then says woo woo woo. And here's a weird one
for you though, guys to the two Dans, my parents
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we were in Vegas, I think a basketball term or whatever.
I was like third Wheel went to the show with
them and fast forward like thirty years later, my dad
coached Jeffrey Osborne's son in AAU basketball placed him in college.
Like crazy story. Anyway, you know it'd be a good
one for recruiting. You should be mine anyway, Dan Wake
joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. How would you
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how would you honestly characterize the NBA Finals?
Speaker 9 (37:05):
I think it is it feels like a sign of
looks to come in the league. And uh, I know
we tend to overact to these things when they and
they appear in front.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Of Yes, yes, because because heat culture was going to
be in the finals every year, regardless who's on the team.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
But Denver Nuggets, we're never going to lose an NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like Denver Nuggets were a dynasty.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Can possibly beat the Boston Celtics. I mean and I
think and and Doug and I think that's sort of
my broader point, which is that this is just like,
and it's been said before, it like this is the
era of parody, and it just feels like I had
to thought yesterday going into next season. Excuse me, I'm
battling a little bit of cold thing. How many teams
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can credibly feel like they can win two rounds in
the playoffs next year? Like, dude, Like like if the
Spurs do the Spurs up and like, do they see
a path to winning two rounds? Because I kind of
think they might, you know, and certainly the Lakers with
a in shape and motivated Luka Doncic are gonna feel
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that way. You know, the Clippers are gonna feel that.
I mean, like you just go down the list, it's
gonna be like twenty teams, and you know, I think
that level of sort of teams with their with the
talent in the league, the mixture of old talent and
young talent, the sort of the way the game has played,
the variance in shooting, It just sort of feels like
(38:36):
every year we're gonna see gonna see somebody that that
feels inevitable. And then we'll watch their inevitability kind of fall.
That's sort of my that's my big picture takeaway of
these NBA Finals is that this is just gonna It
feels like it's gonna be a decade of things like this,
where it's just it's this, you know, it's this is
this year seemed Now, Look, Doug, when we do the
(38:56):
six years from now and the thunder of one four titles,
I'm gonna look stupid again.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And I'm with you, I'm not gonna. I remember when
the Cubs won the World Series and people are starting
to talk about dynasties. I had a buddy on the Cups.
He's like, we're never winning one again. These guys, it's
a mess. These guys at each other. No, it is.
And then what happens when you win is, you know,
it's the the pat Riley disease of me kicks in right.
(39:22):
So it's fascinating. I do think again, I could be wrong.
This one would be a hard one for Oklahoma City
to lose. From the standpoint of you hat home court advantage.
I think by most people's estimation, you're the better team,
You're fully healthy. You know last year you're beaten by
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what's proceeded to be an inferior team in the Dallas Mavericks,
like you're not going to get an easier runway to
winning an NBA title, then a banged up Nuggets team.
You don't play Steph, you don't play Lebron, you play
the Wolves who are still like nobody expected them to
be that far, and then you play the Pacers in
the finals. The Pacers are there there with house money.
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I could I am I wrong to think this could
be one where Oklahoma City, in an effort to to
make that final step, they're the type of team that
could overreact because that's the this is the type of
devastating series loss if they lose more games could.
Speaker 9 (40:24):
Be Yeah, I mean that's generally generally not been the
way Sam Presty's operated, right, So I think that is uh.
I would say, like the one sort of argument against
all that, Doug. But and look, by no means should
anyone concede this series down to one No to the
Indiana Pacers, right like, let's just for all the reasons
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you just mentioned, I think there there will be reaction.
I mean, look, I don't I don't really think the
reason they've lost either of these games is because of
the change their starting lineup. Like, honestly, I don't really
think that's why they've lost. I do think when I
when I've watched these games, I feel like they have
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And this is kind of one of those things talk
it's easy for me to say, right like, I'm not
I'm not in the coaches meetings, I'm not on the
sunite trying to play one of the things that I
when I watch games, I tend to look like who
is doing what they want and who is reacting?
Speaker 4 (41:21):
You know.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
It's just sort of like a way to get an
easier sort of way to judge games. And like, by
and large, it felt like they've played reactionary basketball in
this series to Indiana style instead of just being the
versions of themselves that was dominant, particularly against the Eastern
Conference this year, playing multiple bigs, getting in the half court,
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doing what they do in the half court. Like there
was a play early in the game, you know, and
it's not that they can't run, they should run when
you know, chet Holgern gets the rebound and goes, you know,
coast to coast with the basketball, you know what I mean.
And it's like that is what makes chet Holmgren different
than every other you know, not every other, but most
seven footers in the NBA is his ability to do that, like,
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you know, his ability to play out of the pocket
and playmake makes him different, Like he has ball skills
that are different doing the things that make their guys
so unique. I think, like that's what I wanted to
see more of, and I feel like I felt like
early in the third quarter it looked like they had
gotten to it. I think they came out right score
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down their first four possessions, get into the mid range
spots they like, creating files like getting Indiana frustrated, and
then like you know, the Pacers, to their credit, just
like just just kind of push back and didn't let it,
didn't let that wave sort of wash over them. And
I think that was a really surprising moment for me
in this series. Maybe Indiana is better than I've given
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them credit for. I think they're good, Don't get me wrong.
I think they're very good. And they do a lot
like they take care of the basketball, and when you
take care of the basketball in the modern NBA, like
you have a great chance to win. And I think,
you know, Oloma City's playmaking. To me, it's just been
a little rocky and they just haven't really been themselves.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, they they have not, and it's gonna be interesting
to see if they can write that. Chip Dan Wiki
joining us LA Times covers the entire NBA. Uh you
mentioned that this is what it's going to look like. Well, okay,
but they're you know, everybody's still gonna go after Gianni's
gonna go after KD may not be the super teams,
(43:27):
but more super ish. Let's start with the Knicks. I'm
gonna make the case that asking to talk to coaches
who are currently under contract is a really smart thing
to do. Okay, I understand that right now most of
us in the media are sitting there going they got
egg on their face. These guys can't even talk to them. Okay,
(43:49):
but one you don't have to. You can still hire
a guy. The guy just resigns and you can go
through the agent whatever. But this is what you should
do when you're trying to when you're like, take a
shot at five names that you don't think you can
get and see if somebody is unhappy. Right, Like I called,
I'd love to calling Jason Kidd, Like do I think
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he's their greatest coach. I don't know. They went to
the NBA Finals, and what level of unhappy is he
because of the Luca trade.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Sure, and that firstly seemed less like a blind shot
in the dark than say Billy Donovan. Sure, like the
Jason Kid. Things seemed a little more measured at least
than some of the other ones.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
But yeah, okay, but anyway, Like I don't hate I
didn't think they should have fired TIBs, but I get
asking a couple of the guys that you think are
the best coach in the NBA what their level of
interest is, and you never know if somebody's not happy
that said, what do they do now?
Speaker 9 (44:49):
Well? And I think right, like one, I mean, I
think I think you're right, Like ultimately, the the the
egg on their face from getting turned down on these
these conver stations, right like it's it makes for a
good joke, you know, but it doesn't really mean anything.
Like I can text the league source and say, hey,
I got a call from New York. I thought it
was Leon Rose asking my wife out for a date.
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I can make that joke right now, and everybody can
kind of ha ha ha ha, you know, whatever. But
the reality is is that like none of this matters, right, Like,
the the Knicks are still the Knicks. Their brand is
not going to be harmed by any of this. It's
just a good laugh we'll have for right now, and
we have the attention span of like NAT's. We'll forget
about this, and you know, as soon as one of
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these other guys gets traded, it'll be and it won't
be a topic anymore. I think though, the broader issue is,
and you look at the way that the Knicks have
operated the last two years where they have sort of
like put their team on this path, They put their
roster on a real path. They they put their chips
behind Jalen Brunson and they built a roster around him.
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That makes a ton of sense. If you're going to
have a six foot it offensive engine, like you need
these kind of ranging defenders. Now, the Karlington Towns part
of it all doesn't totally make sense along that line,
but every other decision has been like kind of towards this,
you know, doing doing things this way. I think what
what surprised people and what surprised me is when when
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you know they fired TIBs, you know, after after making
the conference finals. I was with some NBA people actually
here in southern California, and the logic run away was, oh, well,
like they have to know who they want like that
that you do that you make that kind of decision
generally speaking with a you fire this coach because you
know who you're going to hire, sure, And and this
(46:40):
certainly seems like they don't know who they're going to
hire now maybe all maybe all along it was gonna
be Mike Brown or Taylor Jenkins. And then this is
sort of the the this is awesome like long game
to see like maybe somebody else shakes this like like
we'll figure it out. But but I think like what
it does is it shows holes in the process and
in a time when and like we mentioned, parody is
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all of that stuff like like process matters. You know,
all of this stuff is percentage points and decimals that
that impact your chances of winning. And you know if
you do something rash without like a good plan B No. Now,
the other thing it tells me is that it just
shows you how untenable they view Tom Thibodeau right, that
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they would do this without even knowing what was going
to happen. Next it does speak. Yeah, it's like pulling
all your money out of a four oh one k
without looking at like what that means for your taxes.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, it's streaky nice, it's Oh, it's the classic overreaction.
It's a classic overaction.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But on the other on the other hand, like, he's right,
Tims has TIBs. That's first tips has been and a
lot of that TIBs doesn't sub narrative came out to
be true. And when you own the team, you have
the right to make a change if you feel like
it's not right. Doesn't mean it's right decision. I just
it's the whole thing is fascinating to me because I
actually like some of the thoughts in the process. I
just don't. It's how they got there, which is what
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you're talking about, and where they end up, which is
the parts.
Speaker 9 (48:03):
That I think you also don't really Doug, you mentioned this,
they like get a part about this that's just strange
and you don't really need to do this right, Like,
there are other ways. There are other ways to like
ask for permission without.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Asking for permission.
Speaker 9 (48:16):
Two, Like that's the other part of this, right is
that it's a this is a small league, particularly when
it comes to coaching agents, right, Like, you make a
couple of calls there and you can figure out who's interested,
who's not going to be.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
No, No, it's for show. It's for show. It's it's an
optics thing, right the only reason you do it. It's
either for show or it's to rattle some of the
other teams, to mess with some of their teams. Hey,
you know, Jason Kids, guy stepped up said he can't talk.
So now it makes everybody else step up and say
their guy can't talk. Dan Wicky Joints us LA Times.
What do the Lakers look like next season?
Speaker 9 (48:50):
Great question? Skinnier hopefully, I think is like one place
that starts, they're going to look like they're in better shape.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He does do this every year, by the way.
Speaker 9 (49:00):
He does every year, I know, and particularly in years
when there's European club there's national competitions, right like, I mean,
this is not I mean, he's getting in shape for
more than the upcoming NBA season, right like, he's gonna
be playing in euro Basket. It's very important, and I think, like,
but but there are other factors that play here with Luca,
you know, and this was one of the things, and
we'll see, right like, this isn't the type of thing
(49:22):
we're going to know through a couple of summer through
a couple of pictures of the summer, or some videos
of him squatting, you know. I think one of the
things in the aftermath of the there's no think about this,
I know. One of the things in the aftermath of
the Luca trade was was that people both around Luca
and people around the Lakers kind of thought it would
be great for him to see Lebron James and just
(49:44):
to see what that looks like, the type of commitment
physically that that takes, right, just to have a front
row seat for something like that, to see the way
that Lebron James works as his personal trainer Mike Man
see this and that team, and as Luca kind of
figures out how the best move forwards in that way,
that that would be valuable insight. Now, whether or not
that fully shows up three months later, if that's more
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of a three year investment, we'll see. They got to
get a center, Doug, you know, and and the I
don't know where they're going to find one. The list,
like the lists aren't great, but they got to find
a center. The one they had they benched in the playoffs,
so it's gonna be hard to go knock on that
door again, I think. And they've got limited means. They've
(50:31):
got basically one, you know, one real trade asset. They're
not going to trade Austin Reeves for a middling center.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
That's just what's the what's their trade asset?
Speaker 9 (50:42):
I mean they have a they have a first round
pick in either twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two,
and they have Dalton connect That's what they have to trade.
And they have a bunch of expiring contracts which are valuable,
like valuable in the sense that they can facilli trate
a trade. Now, the question that you're asking, if you roblink,
is like, are we going to put these assets in
play for say Nick Claxtons? You know, is that good
enough for us? If this is like this is the
(51:03):
road now we were walking down with Luca Dodg just
where we were pairing this person with Nicholas Claxton, are
we doing this for? You know? I think you know
another name you hear a lot is Daniel Gafford. I
don't think Dallas is making a trade with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
No, we made our trade with Lakers. We did well work.
I think we're good guys.
Speaker 9 (51:20):
I think that I think that needs to reset that
that clock needs to probably reset.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 9 (51:25):
But you know, like like you hear names out there
like that, like you wonder. You know what's interesting about
all this is the Lakers showed their hand right at
the trade online with Mark Williams. They showed what they're
willing to pay for a young center. So you can
look around the NBA at who the centers are that
that sort of fit that bill, you know, are they
willing to do that for Jalen Duran? Is Jalen Duran
(51:47):
the fit uh cash and everything.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
There's there's no way Detroit moves. Jalen Duran is so awesome.
He's so he's so awesome.
Speaker 9 (51:56):
He's a little bit it's interesting you say that, and
I'm just saying, like he of that age. You know,
he's getting ready for his next big contract. He's about
to get sure a really big contract. And like kind
of on the Mark Limbs thing, he's a guy that
I think, like when you talk to people around Detroit,
it is interesting they've been tied to a lot of
bigs this summer. You hear them a lot with nas Reeds.
They have Isaiah Stewart, a player they love defensively, and
(52:20):
it's like the one the question is is sort of
like can he be our defensive anchor? He's that kind
of center. Well, that's the kind of like if Detroit's
asking that question while having him, Yeah, you have to
ask that question if you're the Lakers whore for getting
reader to give them everything else you can get, it's
going to empty the bank account for him. It's just
you know, it's going to take a level of creativity,
I think. And the crazy thing is that it might
(52:41):
take patience, which again is maybe the thing you don't have.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the hard part of all of this. Yeah,
not them, Like like Plink has drafted really well, really well,
but these they've they've generally owned.
Speaker 9 (52:58):
I mean, good luck to fifty Yeah, good luck at
fifty four, you know what I mean, Like, there is
no like that. You're you're not going to find an
answer there.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Hey, hey, listen, they got they got Bronnie. Last year
a lot of people wanted Brownie.
Speaker 9 (53:08):
They Yeah, I mean, you know, there's uh, look at
Bronnie was seven point one. You know, you know, I
think I had two heads.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
If I had two heads, i'd be in the circus. Uh.
Speaker 9 (53:18):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a tough it's just a
tough center market.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
You know.
Speaker 9 (53:21):
I think a stop gap option, certainly again, seems like
the path of Leasters as since the Clickabella Brooklypez. Is
that different continue winning and losing an NBA championship? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, this is true, And I still don't know if
you can do it with two guys that don't guard
anybody in or three guys that don't guard anybody on
the court. And that's what they have with their three
best offensive players. But Dan, we could talk Lakers and
the NBA all all day.
Speaker 9 (53:46):
Oh we will, Doug. You're in the media.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
You'll will be there, I know, and I'm probably gonna guy,
I got a book. You on my pod. We'll just
talk hoop for a for a couple hours and and
just get it all out there in the meantime. I
appreciate you joining us, I truly do. Thanks for being
our guest.
Speaker 9 (53:58):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Doug
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