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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great
episode for you today. We have a lot of crazy stories,
including a child who died from inhaling helium from a balloon,
a man who had to have his toes amputated because
of his wedding shoes, getting bachelism from botox, a deadly
infection from a sinus tress, and a woman who woke
(00:41):
up alive in her coffin. All that in moral today's episode.
Let's get started with helium balloons.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So this six year old boy died after inhaling helium
from a milar balloon just days after celebrating his birthday.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Do you remember we had a case back in February
of a woman who died from inhaling helium as well.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, at her kid's birthday party.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean her case was a little different because she
was sucking it directly out of the canister, which was terrible.
But this is a six year old kid that was
inhaling it to you know, make that signature, really high
pitched voice. He was sucking it out of a large
mylar balloon. And the helium. It's the same exact thing
that we talk about all the time, like you wouldn't
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would you like let your kid do a whip it?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No. But I really don't think people understand the severity
of this because I see people do this so often.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I have seen it dep I just was watching a.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
TV show last night where they did it as a joke.
I'm telling you right now, like this, this is a
crazy story. I probably told this on here before, but
I was across the street with with my neighbors and
so am I. The one neighbor is a nurse. She's
a good nurse too, and me and her are sitting
back there and our kids were like, let's do that.
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So then we did it and we were laughing and
like we it was like this weird thing that we
both looked at each other and was like, wait, this
is probably like really fucking bad, and like I look
it up and sure enough it's you know, because this
isn't something that you normally hear about happening, even in
practice and pathology, like it doesn't happen that often. So
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when it happens, you you know, it's it's a big story.
And I'm just like, it's probably not good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
We're gonna look it up. Let's look it up.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We look it up, and sure enough, it's just like,
oh yeah, that's It's just as bad as doing a
whippet or anything else. Right, And then we were like
the bad parents. Of course, we're the bad parents for
letting the kids do it. I don't know if the
kids actually did it or we did it first, but
we were just like, yeah, we're never doing this again.
This is freaking terrible. And now every single time a
story like this comes up, like, I'm gonna send her
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this story today because it scares you because you're like,
oh my god, we were just like doing that to
have fun with the kids, and it's it's a party trick,
right since you were a kid, And no, it's it's
terrible and it needs the word needs to be spread
how bad it is, because unfortunately this little six year
old kid died from this.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I mean, I really just think it boils down to people,
just like you say, they think about making their voice funny,
they don't think about how dangerous it actually is. Did
inhale a chemical like this?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
All right, So in the UK, this man got a
pair of orthotic shoes from the NHS for his wedding day.
He immediately told them the shoes were uncomfortable and too tight,
but they told him they were just breaking in still,
so he wore them for a few hours on his
wedding day until it became unbearable, and then within weeks
he got an absess which resulted in his toes needing
to be amputated. So this same exact thing happened to
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my dad. He had to have an orthotic and he
kept telling them it was uncomfortable and it was rubbing
against his leg and to the point where he was
just like, I'm not going to wear it anymore because
it hurts so bad. I don't know if that's considered
to be normal to happen with these things, but this
guy was complaining for a while, And really, when a
person is complaining about having an uncomfortable thing on their feet,
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especially this guy because he had diabetes, you want to
make sure that they're not getting an injury, because what
happens is number one, they have neuropathy and they can't
have as much feeling as a normal person would have
sometimes in their feet. So he got this really bad
wound and an ulceration because of the rubbing, and didn't
even really realize it until much later on when it
(04:32):
was much worse than it should have been. He should
have gotten treatment for it a long time before then. Plus,
when you're diabetic, you have damage to your blood vessels,
so you're not getting enough oxygenated blood down there to
heal wounds, so you have wounds that don't heal as
quickly or don't heal at all, which is why it's
important for you to get treatment for it as soon
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as something pops up. And then number three, just being
diabetic and having high blood sugar could make an environment
that bacteria really like all that sugar, So you just
have such an increased risk for infections when you have diabetes,
especially in your feet, And that's a well known fact.
That's why they say, don't.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Cut your toenails yourself, don't get a pedicure, get it
done by a medical professional, just to make sure that
you don't get any little tiny wound that would end
up being a serious thing, like having to get any amputation.
And think about this, like how many times have you
worn shoes that are uncomfortable that give you blisters? And
it's fine because you're healthy and it heels good. But
for a diabetic patient, this is the difference between having
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a foot and not having a foot. So in this case,
he had to get as big toe amputated and then
he had to get several other toes amputated. That's usually
how it goes, so in pathology, we'll get a toe,
and then we'll get a couple more toes, and then
we'll get the rest of the foot, and then we'll
get all the way up until the knee, and sometimes
even above the knee, depending on how bad the gangreine is.
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So unfortunately in this case, he lost his toes and
now he wants to take action against this orthotic company.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So can you still walk if you have the rest
of your foot but no toes?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You can, but it's it's difficult because your toes are
your balance. So he probably has to walk with assistance,
with like a cane or something like that. You know,
And the guy just got married and he was walking
perfectly fine before then, so it definitely is debilitating. He
honestly would probably do better if he got his leg
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amputated below the knee and got a prosthetic as far
as walking goes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, didn't you recommend pop up get his foot amputi?
I did.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I freaked out.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Everybody thought that I was so outrageous for saying that,
But my dad was having a really hard time walking
and the orthotics weren't working, and then he had the surgery,
and it was you know, one thing leads to another
because then you don't walk, and then all of a
sudden you're gaining more weight because you're not walking, and
you know, it all works itself off of each other.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But yeah, I said to my dad twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now, I was just like, Dad, get the freaking foot
amputated and get a prosthetic, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You'll be able to walk. But no one listens to me. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
They thought that I was outrageous for saying that, But listen,
in pathology, I've gotten lots of legs for people that
were just like painful leg You look at it and
you're like, there's no gangerine, there's nothing wrong with it.
They just had chronic pain and it it sometimes makes
more sense to just get rid of whatever's causing the
pain and then just start over with a fake one.
Not that you wouldn't have any kind of challenges having
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a prosthetic leg because you do for sure, But how
many people do you see walking around with them like
they work?
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connected to one spot in Massachusetts. So can you explain
what this is? So? Well?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, because a lot of our listeners are probably getting botox, right,
and if if you guys know what botox is like
really is it stands for bochulism tosin, So botox right.
It was discovered that botulism toxin it's a neurotoxin caused
by the bacteria cog Claustridium bochulinum, And it was discovered
(09:08):
that if it was an FDA proof that if it
was injected in the globella, which is the frown lines
right here for those of you who are watching on YouTube,
that it would paralyze essentially the muscles and it would
cause it to look like you don't have wrinkles, which
is which is why the whole botox craze happened, because
(09:29):
it it really does work, like, look.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I can't even move my forehead right now.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But it's also been used for cosmetics. For now, it's
just like going off the hook. Like people are using
it to like stop sweating under their armpits and to
flip their lip up if they don't like it, and
to hold in their muscle underneath their chin if they
if they feel like that's a problem and it's going
all over the place and that that's fine, But with
(09:54):
social media and everything, it's like everybody wants it, and
it's it's kind of expensive for some people. So then
they start going to people that maybe aren't the best injectors,
but say they have the botox and this is what's happening.
So whenever you go to get botox, because it has
the potential to be so dangerous, you want to make
sure that you go to somebody that is an expert injector.
(10:18):
And really, I personally think that you should go to
somebody that does it for a career. I go to
doctor Dimitri in Morristown and he's awesome. Shout out to him.
I'm actually going to him tomorrow and I'll talk to
him about this case for sure and come back if
he has any interesting things to say. But he only
specifically does that, and I think that that's really important
(10:40):
because it's like he's an expert of it. It's all
he does, and he knows what's wrong, and he knows
what's right.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
He knows the anatomy.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And on top of that, he's using legit products. He's
not getting things like off of Amazon or wherever people
are getting these drugs that they shouldn't be buying them from.
So I even would, and I've talked to doctor Dmitri
about this, I would go as far as say that
I wouldn't go like if your dentist is like, hey,
I started doing botox, or your family doctor's like, hey,
(11:08):
I started doing botox, Like I wouldn't do it personally,
that's just me. But this is where you get risk
of things going wrong with people that don't really know
it that well. But you certainly shouldn't go to a
place that is not legit because that's probably what happened
in this case. So sometimes if it's either the actual
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product or it's just not being injected correctly. When it
is applied correctly, it just stays local to the muscle
and it paralyzes the muscle. The last thing you wanted
to do is to take up inside of your bloodstream
and go around your body, because then you're going to
have classic symptoms of botulism and it's just really really bad.
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So these people were having this what's called iatrogenic botulism,
which is bread beyond where it was injected, so blurred vision,
double vision, slurred speech, breathing difficulties. That's kind of a
real bad problem that you don't want to have, especially
when you're going to get rid of a wrinkle. The
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last thing you want is your eyeball to be drooping
and your eyelids won't stay open. I mean, how terrible
would that be? And having problems with your vision and
things like that. So this is just a really important
lesson that make sure you go to somebody who's legit,
and if you don't have the money for it, then
just like skip that time instead of going to somebody
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that's going to give you a botch job.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, could this happen places to what this could happen
at legit places too? Though, Well, it's just more if.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
They're using legit.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
If they're if they're using legit product, it could still
happen if it's not injected correctly, and a lot of
different things that can happen if things aren't, including fillers too.
That's why it's so important because I know you're looking
at a face and you're just looking at skin and
you're seeing wrinkles, but underneath of that skin, it's just
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like think about being in New York City, like you're
looking at the street level and think about all the
things that are happening underground. There's subways, there's pipes, there's this,
there's that. Right, it's the same exact thing with your face.
You have nerves, you have blood vessels, you have like
certain things that cannot be touched and somebody has to
be an expert in anatomy of the face to know
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exactly where to put a needle and inject this stuff,
because if you inject it in a blood vessel, it
could be terrible. If you inject it in a nerve,
it could be terrible, and it could cause permanent damage.
So you really want to make sure that you're going
to someone who's legit and it is a master of it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
All Right, So, a woman in Texas has died after
contracting a brain amba from using tapwater at an RV
campground and using it in her sinus rints.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
We talked about this recently too, right, maybe not recently,
but it was last year actually, Remember we were talking
about a baby who died from a brain eating amiba
from visiting a water park in Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, we've also touched.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We definitely had a discussion about using tapwater and a
Nettie pot before too, because I had told you that
I definitely did it one time, but after that, I
was like, that definitely wasn't smart.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So well, they they sell that squeeze bottle.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't know if that's the natty pot too.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well with the pot, I think that, Yeah, So there's
various versions of the sinus frints, which is the squeeze
bottle like you're talking about, or there's like the physical
ceramic pot.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's the way I use so but you put that
solution of the powder into it. But it says all
over the place, because I had to give them to
Lilian before. It says all over the place to use
either distelled water or to.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Boil the water.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you can't. You can't blow that off. And this
is exactly why, because you're entering you think about drinking water.
I mean, it's kind of gross if it's coming out
of a tap, right. There's all different sorts of things
in there. One of them is it could be an
amiba that's called Nygleia Fowley and this was found in
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this woman's spinal fluid. It's called a brain eating amiba.
It's not a bacteria. It's kind of like a parasite.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It causes meningio encephalitis, which is when there's an inflammation
of the brain as well as the miningis that are
the thin membranes that cover the brain. And it's really bad,
it's really really deadly. There's been one hundred and sixty
four cases reported in the United States and only four
people have survived. So it's rare, but when you get it,
(15:49):
it's especially because it's so rare, Like, think about one
hundred and sixty four cases over I don't even know
what it was over a ten year period now, from
nineteen sixty two to twenty twenty three, that was the
one hundred and sixty four Yeah, So so think about
this from a doctor's perspective. If a person this lady
was a seventy one year old lady that was pretty
healthy and then started having symptoms right same exacting with
(16:14):
this kid. Sixteen month old baby started having symptoms of
a fever, vomiting, and stuff like that. Like when you're
a physician at a hospital, this is the last thing
on your mind that's happening to a person until you
start doing investigation, which might take a while to figure
out exactly what happened, and then it's too late.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Well, what's scary in this case too, is she didn't
even start presenting symptoms for four days and then she
died eight days later. So I feel like because it
wasn't immediate, that's even harder to figure.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Out what happened.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, if she started displaying symptoms right away and someone
figured it out right away what it was, it could be.
I mean, that's why people have survived because because you
don't have to die from it, I guess. But by
the time they're figuring it out, it's it's too late.
And honestly, like they do they do the spinal tap
and they figure it out. I don't know how they
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cause I don't know if it would be really a culture,
Like I'm not exactly sure of the test that would
be done for it, so and how long that takes,
just because it's it's weird and you just we talk
about that sometimes on this program that like in hindsight, Yeah,
but think about a sixteen month old kid that's vomiting
(17:27):
and it's crying, Like, okay, that's every sixteen month old kid, Like,
why would you ever think they have a brain eating amiba?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You know, do you guys take spinal fluid at every
autopsy or just in a case where you're having a
hard time figuring out?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
We don't take spinal fluid at autopsy. They might use
it sometimes well for like uh, toxicology or something like that,
but we like a typical autopsy, we wouldn't take spinal fluid.
They take spinal fluid from a person like while they're
still alive to be able Like they diagnosed this from
this woman when she was still alive. They did a
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spinal tap and pulled out the fluid and then that's
how they were able to determine it was there. That
wouldn't be that would be like a toxicology situation though.
It wouldn't be something that you would do on a
routine autopsy for sure, because think about this, like if
we were doing it for even on this woman, like
we have access. The reason you want to do the
(18:25):
spinal fluid is because that fluid bathes the spinal cord
and brain, right, So if any infection or weird thing
is in the brain, you would think that that bacteria
would get into the spinal fluid and it's an easy
access to see what's going on because otherwise you would
have to cut open a person's skull and like take
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a biopsy of their brain and that would be kind
of crazy, right. So, but when you have the autopsy
and you have the dead person right in front of you,
you have their brain tissue, you have access to like
the meat, so like, you don't need to look at
the fluid.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, it's important to boil the water you used to
seal the water. We have to learn from these stories
because these I mean, obviously this is a rare situation,
but it's still scary, and.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I believe honestly, like, I'm not sure how because I
don't know much about this organism. I wonder if lots
of people are exposed to it all the time and
just people don't get sick from it, because I have
a hard time believing that like only one hundred and
sixty four people have been exposed to this and got
sick from it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're think relying on people that have reported it too,
because yeah, and to be so many that aren't, and
there's probably situations where people die from it and maybe
they never figure it out.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
They're just like, oh, they just had this crazy brain infection.
I don't know what happened. I don't know, you know,
and since the sixties, you don't know what the documentation's been, so.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, all right. In the Czech Republic, an eighty eight
year old woman was found unresponsive by her husband, EMTs,
and the coroner determined she was dead undertaker showed up
put her in a coffin. So while she's sitting in
this coffin in the hallway to her apartment building, she
ends up waking. Yeah, I mean, this isn't a typical
protocol in the United States to bring the coffin directly
(20:05):
to the person, But why not, right, I mean, it
just cuts out unnecessary steps kind of to go, oh,
you got to go to a hospital first, in a
funeral home or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, it's just it's just interesting that they would
do that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
But whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, I guess when the husband the woman was older,
in her eighties, and the husband called and had the
ambulance come and he thought that she might have died.
The ambulance pronounced her dead. Then the coroner came in
and pronounced her dead too. I don't know what the
rules are of pronouncing a person dead. There. They're supposed
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to note the general appearance of the body, if there's
any reaction to like verbal or pain stimuli. One important
thing is to look at the pupils and see that
they are fixed. They don't move if you shine a
light on them. Like I don't know if you've ever
done this, but just like put a flashlight when Brickie
gets home from work tonight, like put a flashlight up
(21:03):
to his light.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
The light makes your pupils open up.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Really well, yeah, it's the same way a Cameron Len's exactly.
So when a person's dead, that doesn't work anymore. You
check their breathing, It just should be a combination of
different things. You check their breathing, you don't hear any
lung sounds, there's no pulse of they're crotted artery, or
there's no pulse on their wrist. You can't hear their heart.
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And obviously, like if there's signs, you could call somebody.
You could pronounce someone dead pretty quickly if they're decomposed
or whatever. But obvious signs of death rigormortis, live remortis
and things like that. But clearly they didn't go through
the protocol because she was still alive and in fact,
she was brought to the hospital and she's still alive
(21:48):
in the hospital. Now this goes to think like, okay,
because they didn't seem like they tried to resuscitate her
until they figured out that she was alive. So, I mean,
she's eighty eight years old. Whatever she doesn't have could
you could say that she doesn't have a ton of
time left anyway, but people live to be one hundred.
She could she could at least have twelve years of
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life left. Like they didn't even try. They were like, yeah,
she's dead.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, what's interesting is this is called the Lazareth effect,
which is named after Jesus raising Lazareth back.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
From the dead.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So it's defined as when a patient will begin to
show signs of life and must continue to show these
signs for more than a few seconds, which typically happens
after somebody performed CPR on a person. But they're saying
between nineteen eighty two and twenty twenty two, there was
seventy four confirmed cases of Lazareth effect in the United States.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Really, I don't know. I don't declare people dead.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So you know what people are like, I died for
a couple of seconds. Well there's a difference between yes,
people say that and don't. I don't know what that's
all about, like honestly, and nobody really does because nobody
could study that full But you could have cardiac arrest
that could be reversible, like your heart could stop and
(23:07):
it could get restarted again. We saw it happen with
that what was what was that one football player's name?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
It happened right on tomar Hamlet.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, so this heart stopped so he could tell people
he died because he technically did, and then it got
started again, right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So that's what they're saying with this lass. I can't
of course, I can't say this with this effect. They're
saying it typically with patients and having heart problems.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, so I mean it could your your heart could
stop and it could get restarted and you could go
on to live like a healthy life. But there's also
irreversible damage, heart damage, brain damage and things like that.
So I'm not I'm not sure what happened in this case,
but she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Dead, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
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episode for you today. We have a lot of crazy stories,
including a child who died from inhaling helium from a balloon,
a man who had to have his toes amputated because
of his wedding shoes, getting bachelism from botox, a deadly
infection from a sinus tress, and a woman who woke
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up alive in her coffin. All that in moral today's episode.
Let's get started with helium balloons.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So this six year old boy died after inhaling helium
from a milar balloon just days after celebrating his birthday.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Do you remember we had a case back in February
of a woman who died from inhaling helium as well.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, at her kid's birthday party.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean her case was a little different because she
was sucking it directly out of the canister, which was terrible.
But this is a six year old kid that was
inhaling it to you know, make that signature, really high
pitched voice. He was sucking it out of a large
mylar balloon. And the helium. It's the same exact thing
that we talk about all the time, like you wouldn't
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would you like let your kid do a whip it?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No. But I really don't think people understand the severity
of this because I see people do this so often.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I have seen it dep I just was watching a.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
TV show last night where they did it as a joke.
I'm telling you right now, like this, this is a
crazy story. I probably told this on here before, but
I was across the street with with my neighbors and
so am I. The one neighbor is a nurse. She's
a good nurse too, and me and her are sitting
back there and our kids were like, let's do that.
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So then we did it and we were laughing and
like we it was like this weird thing that we
both looked at each other and was like, wait, this
is probably like really fucking bad, and like I look
it up and sure enough it's you know, because this
isn't something that you normally hear about happening, even in
practice and pathology, like it doesn't happen that often. So
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when it happens, you you know, it's it's a big story.
And I'm just like, it's probably not good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
We're gonna look it up. Let's look it up.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We look it up, and sure enough, it's just like,
oh yeah, that's It's just as bad as doing a
whippet or anything else. Right, And then we were like
the bad parents. Of course, we're the bad parents for
letting the kids do it. I don't know if the
kids actually did it or we did it first, but
we were just like, yeah, we're never doing this again.
This is freaking terrible. And now every single time a
story like this comes up, like, I'm gonna send her
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this story today because it scares you because you're like,
oh my god, we were just like doing that to
have fun with the kids, and it's it's a party trick,
right since you were a kid, And no, it's it's
terrible and it needs the word needs to be spread
how bad it is, because unfortunately this little six year
old kid died from this.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I mean, I really just think it boils down to people,
just like you say, they think about making their voice funny,
they don't think about how dangerous it actually is. Did
inhale a chemical like this?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
All right, So in the UK, this man got a
pair of orthotic shoes from the NHS for his wedding day.
He immediately told them the shoes were uncomfortable and too tight,
but they told him they were just breaking in still,
so he wore them for a few hours on his
wedding day until it became unbearable, and then within weeks
he got an absess which resulted in his toes needing
to be amputated. So this same exact thing happened to
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my dad. He had to have an orthotic and he
kept telling them it was uncomfortable and it was rubbing
against his leg and to the point where he was
just like, I'm not going to wear it anymore because
it hurts so bad. I don't know if that's considered
to be normal to happen with these things, but this
guy was complaining for a while, And really, when a
person is complaining about having an uncomfortable thing on their feet,
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especially this guy because he had diabetes, you want to
make sure that they're not getting an injury, because what
happens is number one, they have neuropathy and they can't
have as much feeling as a normal person would have
sometimes in their feet. So he got this really bad
wound and an ulceration because of the rubbing, and didn't
even really realize it until much later on when it
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was much worse than it should have been. He should
have gotten treatment for it a long time before then. Plus,
when you're diabetic, you have damage to your blood vessels,
so you're not getting enough oxygenated blood down there to
heal wounds, so you have wounds that don't heal as
quickly or don't heal at all, which is why it's
important for you to get treatment for it as soon
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as something pops up. And then number three, just being
diabetic and having high blood sugar could make an environment
that bacteria really like all that sugar, So you just
have such an increased risk for infections when you have diabetes,
especially in your feet, And that's a well known fact.
That's why they say, don't.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Cut your toenails yourself, don't get a pedicure, get it
done by a medical professional, just to make sure that
you don't get any little tiny wound that would end
up being a serious thing, like having to get any amputation.
And think about this, like how many times have you
worn shoes that are uncomfortable that give you blisters? And
it's fine because you're healthy and it heels good. But
for a diabetic patient, this is the difference between having
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a foot and not having a foot. So in this case,
he had to get as big toe amputated and then
he had to get several other toes amputated. That's usually
how it goes, so in pathology, we'll get a toe,
and then we'll get a couple more toes, and then
we'll get the rest of the foot, and then we'll
get all the way up until the knee, and sometimes
even above the knee, depending on how bad the gangreine is.
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So unfortunately in this case, he lost his toes and
now he wants to take action against this orthotic company.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So can you still walk if you have the rest
of your foot but no toes?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You can, but it's it's difficult because your toes are
your balance. So he probably has to walk with assistance,
with like a cane or something like that. You know,
And the guy just got married and he was walking
perfectly fine before then, so it definitely is debilitating. He
honestly would probably do better if he got his leg
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amputated below the knee and got a prosthetic as far
as walking goes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, didn't you recommend pop up get his foot amputi?
I did.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I freaked out.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Everybody thought that I was so outrageous for saying that,
But my dad was having a really hard time walking
and the orthotics weren't working, and then he had the surgery,
and it was you know, one thing leads to another
because then you don't walk, and then all of a
sudden you're gaining more weight because you're not walking, and
you know, it all works itself off of each other.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But yeah, I said to my dad twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now, I was just like, Dad, get the freaking foot
amputated and get a prosthetic, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You'll be able to walk. But no one listens to me. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
They thought that I was outrageous for saying that, But listen,
in pathology, I've gotten lots of legs for people that
were just like painful leg You look at it and
you're like, there's no gangerine, there's nothing wrong with it.
They just had chronic pain and it it sometimes makes
more sense to just get rid of whatever's causing the
pain and then just start over with a fake one.
Not that you wouldn't have any kind of challenges having
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a prosthetic leg because you do for sure, But how
many people do you see walking around with them like
they work?
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connected to one spot in Massachusetts. So can you explain
what this is? So? Well?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, because a lot of our listeners are probably getting botox, right,
and if if you guys know what botox is like
really is it stands for bochulism tosin, So botox right.
It was discovered that botulism toxin it's a neurotoxin caused
by the bacteria cog Claustridium bochulinum, And it was discovered
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that if it was an FDA proof that if it
was injected in the globella, which is the frown lines
right here for those of you who are watching on YouTube,
that it would paralyze essentially the muscles and it would
cause it to look like you don't have wrinkles, which
is which is why the whole botox craze happened, because
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it it really does work, like, look.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I can't even move my forehead right now.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But it's also been used for cosmetics. For now, it's
just like going off the hook. Like people are using
it to like stop sweating under their armpits and to
flip their lip up if they don't like it, and
to hold in their muscle underneath their chin if they
if they feel like that's a problem and it's going
all over the place and that that's fine, But with
(09:54):
social media and everything, it's like everybody wants it, and
it's it's kind of expensive for some people. So then
they start going to people that maybe aren't the best injectors,
but say they have the botox and this is what's happening.
So whenever you go to get botox, because it has
the potential to be so dangerous, you want to make
sure that you go to somebody that is an expert injector.
(10:18):
And really, I personally think that you should go to
somebody that does it for a career. I go to
doctor Dimitri in Morristown and he's awesome. Shout out to him.
I'm actually going to him tomorrow and I'll talk to
him about this case for sure and come back if
he has any interesting things to say. But he only
specifically does that, and I think that that's really important
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because it's like he's an expert of it. It's all
he does, and he knows what's wrong, and he knows
what's right.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
He knows the anatomy.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And on top of that, he's using legit products. He's
not getting things like off of Amazon or wherever people
are getting these drugs that they shouldn't be buying them from.
So I even would, and I've talked to doctor Dmitri
about this, I would go as far as say that
I wouldn't go like if your dentist is like, hey,
I started doing botox, or your family doctor's like, hey,
(11:08):
I started doing botox, Like I wouldn't do it personally,
that's just me. But this is where you get risk
of things going wrong with people that don't really know
it that well. But you certainly shouldn't go to a
place that is not legit because that's probably what happened
in this case. So sometimes if it's either the actual
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product or it's just not being injected correctly. When it
is applied correctly, it just stays local to the muscle
and it paralyzes the muscle. The last thing you wanted
to do is to take up inside of your bloodstream
and go around your body, because then you're going to
have classic symptoms of botulism and it's just really really bad.
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So these people were having this what's called iatrogenic botulism,
which is bread beyond where it was injected, so blurred vision,
double vision, slurred speech, breathing difficulties. That's kind of a
real bad problem that you don't want to have, especially
when you're going to get rid of a wrinkle. The
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last thing you want is your eyeball to be drooping
and your eyelids won't stay open. I mean, how terrible
would that be? And having problems with your vision and
things like that. So this is just a really important
lesson that make sure you go to somebody who's legit,
and if you don't have the money for it, then
just like skip that time instead of going to somebody
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that's going to give you a botch job.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, could this happen places to what this could happen
at legit places too? Though, Well, it's just more if.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
They're using legit.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
If they're if they're using legit product, it could still
happen if it's not injected correctly, and a lot of
different things that can happen if things aren't, including fillers too.
That's why it's so important because I know you're looking
at a face and you're just looking at skin and
you're seeing wrinkles, but underneath of that skin, it's just
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like think about being in New York City, like you're
looking at the street level and think about all the
things that are happening underground. There's subways, there's pipes, there's this,
there's that. Right, it's the same exact thing with your face.
You have nerves, you have blood vessels, you have like
certain things that cannot be touched and somebody has to
be an expert in anatomy of the face to know
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exactly where to put a needle and inject this stuff,
because if you inject it in a blood vessel, it
could be terrible. If you inject it in a nerve,
it could be terrible, and it could cause permanent damage.
So you really want to make sure that you're going
to someone who's legit and it is a master of it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
All Right, So, a woman in Texas has died after
contracting a brain amba from using tapwater at an RV
campground and using it in her sinus rints.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
We talked about this recently too, right, maybe not recently,
but it was last year actually, Remember we were talking
about a baby who died from a brain eating amiba
from visiting a water park in Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, we've also touched.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We definitely had a discussion about using tapwater and a
Nettie pot before too, because I had told you that
I definitely did it one time, but after that, I
was like, that definitely wasn't smart.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So well, they they sell that squeeze bottle.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't know if that's the natty pot too.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well with the pot, I think that, Yeah, So there's
various versions of the sinus frints, which is the squeeze
bottle like you're talking about, or there's like the physical
ceramic pot.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's the way I use so but you put that
solution of the powder into it. But it says all
over the place, because I had to give them to
Lilian before. It says all over the place to use
either distelled water or to.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Boil the water.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, you can't. You can't blow that off. And this
is exactly why, because you're entering you think about drinking water.
I mean, it's kind of gross if it's coming out
of a tap, right. There's all different sorts of things
in there. One of them is it could be an
amiba that's called Nygleia Fowley and this was found in
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this woman's spinal fluid. It's called a brain eating amiba.
It's not a bacteria. It's kind of like a parasite.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It causes meningio encephalitis, which is when there's an inflammation
of the brain as well as the miningis that are
the thin membranes that cover the brain. And it's really bad,
it's really really deadly. There's been one hundred and sixty
four cases reported in the United States and only four
people have survived. So it's rare, but when you get it,
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it's especially because it's so rare, Like, think about one
hundred and sixty four cases over I don't even know
what it was over a ten year period now, from
nineteen sixty two to twenty twenty three, that was the
one hundred and sixty four Yeah, So so think about
this from a doctor's perspective. If a person this lady
was a seventy one year old lady that was pretty
healthy and then started having symptoms right same exacting with
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this kid. Sixteen month old baby started having symptoms of
a fever, vomiting, and stuff like that. Like when you're
a physician at a hospital, this is the last thing
on your mind that's happening to a person until you
start doing investigation, which might take a while to figure
out exactly what happened, and then it's too late.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Well, what's scary in this case too, is she didn't
even start presenting symptoms for four days and then she
died eight days later. So I feel like because it
wasn't immediate, that's even harder to figure.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Out what happened.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, if she started displaying symptoms right away and someone
figured it out right away what it was, it could be.
I mean, that's why people have survived because because you
don't have to die from it, I guess. But by
the time they're figuring it out, it's it's too late.
And honestly, like they do they do the spinal tap
and they figure it out. I don't know how they
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cause I don't know if it would be really a culture,
Like I'm not exactly sure of the test that would
be done for it, so and how long that takes,
just because it's it's weird and you just we talk
about that sometimes on this program that like in hindsight, Yeah,
but think about a sixteen month old kid that's vomiting
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and it's crying, Like, okay, that's every sixteen month old kid, Like,
why would you ever think they have a brain eating amiba?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You know, do you guys take spinal fluid at every
autopsy or just in a case where you're having a
hard time figuring out?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
We don't take spinal fluid at autopsy. They might use
it sometimes well for like uh, toxicology or something like that,
but we like a typical autopsy, we wouldn't take spinal fluid.
They take spinal fluid from a person like while they're
still alive to be able Like they diagnosed this from
this woman when she was still alive. They did a
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spinal tap and pulled out the fluid and then that's
how they were able to determine it was there. That
wouldn't be that would be like a toxicology situation though.
It wouldn't be something that you would do on a
routine autopsy for sure, because think about this, like if
we were doing it for even on this woman, like
we have access. The reason you want to do the
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spinal fluid is because that fluid bathes the spinal cord
and brain, right, So if any infection or weird thing
is in the brain, you would think that that bacteria
would get into the spinal fluid and it's an easy
access to see what's going on because otherwise you would
have to cut open a person's skull and like take
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a biopsy of their brain and that would be kind
of crazy, right. So, but when you have the autopsy
and you have the dead person right in front of you,
you have their brain tissue, you have access to like
the meat, so like, you don't need to look at
the fluid.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, it's important to boil the water you used to
seal the water. We have to learn from these stories
because these I mean, obviously this is a rare situation,
but it's still scary, and.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I believe honestly, like, I'm not sure how because I
don't know much about this organism. I wonder if lots
of people are exposed to it all the time and
just people don't get sick from it, because I have
a hard time believing that like only one hundred and
sixty four people have been exposed to this and got
sick from it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're think relying on people that have reported it too,
because yeah, and to be so many that aren't, and
there's probably situations where people die from it and maybe
they never figure it out.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
They're just like, oh, they just had this crazy brain infection.
I don't know what happened. I don't know, you know,
and since the sixties, you don't know what the documentation's been, so.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, all right. In the Czech Republic, an eighty eight
year old woman was found unresponsive by her husband, EMTs,
and the coroner determined she was dead undertaker showed up
put her in a coffin. So while she's sitting in
this coffin in the hallway to her apartment building, she
ends up waking. Yeah, I mean, this isn't a typical
protocol in the United States to bring the coffin directly
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to the person, But why not, right, I mean, it
just cuts out unnecessary steps kind of to go, oh,
you got to go to a hospital first, in a
funeral home or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, it's just it's just interesting that they would
do that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
But whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, I guess when the husband the woman was older,
in her eighties, and the husband called and had the
ambulance come and he thought that she might have died.
The ambulance pronounced her dead. Then the coroner came in
and pronounced her dead too. I don't know what the
rules are of pronouncing a person dead. There. They're supposed
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to note the general appearance of the body, if there's
any reaction to like verbal or pain stimuli. One important
thing is to look at the pupils and see that
they are fixed. They don't move if you shine a
light on them. Like I don't know if you've ever
done this, but just like put a flashlight when Brickie
gets home from work tonight, like put a flashlight up
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to his light.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
The light makes your pupils open up.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Really well, yeah, it's the same way a Cameron Len's exactly.
So when a person's dead, that doesn't work anymore. You
check their breathing, It just should be a combination of
different things. You check their breathing, you don't hear any
lung sounds, there's no pulse of they're crotted artery, or
there's no pulse on their wrist. You can't hear their heart.
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And obviously, like if there's signs, you could call somebody.
You could pronounce someone dead pretty quickly if they're decomposed
or whatever. But obvious signs of death rigormortis, live remortis
and things like that. But clearly they didn't go through
the protocol because she was still alive and in fact,
she was brought to the hospital and she's still alive
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in the hospital. Now this goes to think like, okay,
because they didn't seem like they tried to resuscitate her
until they figured out that she was alive. So, I mean,
she's eighty eight years old. Whatever she doesn't have could
you could say that she doesn't have a ton of
time left anyway, but people live to be one hundred.
She could she could at least have twelve years of
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life left. Like they didn't even try. They were like, yeah,
she's dead.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, what's interesting is this is called the Lazareth effect,
which is named after Jesus raising Lazareth back.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
From the dead.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So it's defined as when a patient will begin to
show signs of life and must continue to show these
signs for more than a few seconds, which typically happens
after somebody performed CPR on a person. But they're saying
between nineteen eighty two and twenty twenty two, there was
seventy four confirmed cases of Lazareth effect in the United States.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Really, I don't know. I don't declare people dead.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So you know what people are like, I died for
a couple of seconds. Well there's a difference between yes,
people say that and don't. I don't know what that's
all about, like honestly, and nobody really does because nobody
could study that full But you could have cardiac arrest
that could be reversible, like your heart could stop and
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it could get restarted again. We saw it happen with
that what was what was that one football player's name?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
It happened right on tomar Hamlet.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, so this heart stopped so he could tell people
he died because he technically did, and then it got
started again, right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So that's what they're saying with this lass. I can't
of course, I can't say this with this effect. They're
saying it typically with patients and having heart problems.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, so I mean it could your your heart could
stop and it could get restarted and you could go
on to live like a healthy life. But there's also
irreversible damage, heart damage, brain damage and things like that.
So I'm not I'm not sure what happened in this case,
but she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Dead, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.