May 23, 2025 • 31 mins
Ghosts, mental health, sisterhood, trauma and evil stepmothers all bring a Korean folklore to life in the horror movie 'A Tale of Two Sisters'.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this Sanny and Samantha. I welcome stuff. Never told
your production by her radio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And for this feminist movie Friday, well, I don't know.
I had to be real slow about that, but apparently
I need to be. I am in the mood for
a horror movie. But we're making it AAPI because you know,
it's still AAPI History month and going with the classic
Korean horror A Tale of Two Sisters written and directed
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by Kimji Wu. We're tapping into an old folklore which
was mentioned and we talked about a little bit with
the ladies of What's her Name podcast titled Jianghwa hongry
Yan Jeon, which translated the story of Junghua and Hungryan,
which is a fairly tragic fairy tale and in clues
the evil stepmother and reincarnation, which I was thinking about
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why that story seems so sad to me when everybody
seems to kind of be okay with the ending. It's
just the whole ideal of reincarnation. It's not something I
grew up with, but I guess if you grew up
with that, that gives you a little bit of like hope. Yeah, yeah,
it still makes me very sad and feel like there's
no justice in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It was sad, I thought, I personally thought it was
very sad before we start.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I guess content warning for so many traumatic and tragic
things here. Death by suicide is going to be mentioned,
affairs and just mental health diagnosis all throughout, so know that. Also,
it is a Korean horror movie, so it's extra tragic.
For some reason in my head, they have to make
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it a little more damaging. It seems wow. And if
you haven't seen it it and you want to watch it,
we're gonna be spoiling the hell out of it, even
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seven day trial, and go come back and listen to
the rest of this episode. All right. So with all that, yes,
this movie was released in two thousand and three, and
there is an American remake titled The Uninvited, which is
a movie I have repeatedly watched and repeatedly forgotten about,
because every time I will see it as like a preview,
I'm like, oh, I watch it because I'm trying to
watch you know, we love a good horror film. Here
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the time I get to that and I'm like, oh, wait,
I've seen this. I think this happened like three or
four times now, and even to the point that I
was trying to compare these two movies, and I still
could not remember what happened in The Uninvited, y'all, And
I think I've stayed it in a few times.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I haven't. We confused ourselves a bit with that one
because I've also seen it. But and I was telling
you about it, and you were like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Not the same one. But then I.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Couldn't remember really what happens in it, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You and I went back and forth and did this happen?
Maybe this happened. This happened. We're doing great.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's good to say about the quality of the film. Actually,
I have no idea, but I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Again, I cannot remember from the life of us. But
for the Korean world, this was a pretty big film.
A lot of awards were given, even to Best New
Actress M Su Jung, who plays Sue Me. So yes,
there's got a lot of love in sotop Korea as
well as in other places, like for a foreign film
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is pretty popular in its take. So and it was
during the era of like Asian horror films being remade
in the US, like Grudge, and all of that was
coming at the same time, and you know, that's really haunting.
And I still can't shake those memories either. I had
to watch this during the day just in case because
I'm alone here.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
No, you were taking I understand.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, there's too many things that jump around, and then
Korean Asian horror films, I feel like a whole different levels.
I'm like, I'm a I'm not gonna be alone by
myself in this house that you would be petrified by.
So yeah, if you tell.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Me, try not to watch horror movies when I'm alone
at your house.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Anyway, So yes, there you go. Obviously there are some differences,
but again we're going to concentrate on the Korean version
because I can't quite remember the American anyway. It's okay,
So let's begin with the plot. We have sisters Sumi
and su Yuan, who have been gone for some time. Assumi,
the oldest daughter, has been in a psychiatric hospital and
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finally gets to come home with Sue Yan. Upon their arrival,
after going to explore around the grounds and kind of
establishing the fact that they're very close sisters, they are
greeted by their stepmother, You and Jew, who seems overly
eager about them being there, like very fake. The girls
seems united and holding hands and not speaking. Is obvious
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that that it's very tense. The father, who seems kind
of useless just an fyi, is exhausted from the very
beginning with everyone there, It doesn't matter, He's just exhausted.
Things are tense in the home as Sumi is adjusting
but also trying to protect her younger sister the whole time.
Young Jew seems to be upset as well, taking different
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medications and trying to get close to her husband. The father.
There's birds involved, which seems like pets for Young Jew.
Nightmares of ghostly figures ensue all of them except for
the father. As things start to escalate, we find that
Young Jew is taking out her frustrations, or it seems
according to Sumi Sue Yung, and Sumi tries to get
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her father to do something about it, and he's very resistant,
and he keeps trying to get her to talk, and
she's like, you know, you're not doing anything. So it
counts ut back and forth. One night, when their uncle
and his wife come to visit, awkward conversations but happened
between in Yun Jew and the uncle. It is uncomfortable
and is at this time that me He who is
the wife, suffers a severe seizure like it was a
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real grotesque I didn't know what was happening, if she
was allergic to something or she was being possessed. There
was a lot going on. After they leave, me He
tells him that she saw a ghost of a little
girl under the sink. At the same time, Young Jew,
where we see she is also confided by the ghosts
like it's looking around the kitchen, puts her hands down
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and she gets grabbed classic Asian takes all the time.
Later we find the birds all that we did the
whole scene. Also pictures that Sumi found of all of them,
including Young Jew, are destroyed, with Young Jew's face marked
up is At this point, Yung Ju punishes Suyan by
forcing her into a wardrobe which has some dark history
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that is not supposed to be talked about, even to
the points that me tries to get her dad to
move it. As all this unfolds, we see both Young
Juu and Sumi falling apart. A fight breaks down between
Yan Ju and Sumi as Sumi discovers Young Jew's abuse
in and juw dragging a bloody bag across the house.
Sumi believes it is su Yuan in the bag and
both fight. It's then that her father returns, as he
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had been gone to pick someone up because he has
a phone call, very mysterious phone call. He carries Sumi,
who he discovers on the floor and also tends to
Young juw urging her to take her meds her pills
and as if everything comes to a head, it is
soon discovered that su Yun was already dead and was
never there. In fact, since Sumi's return, she and her
father were the only ones in the home. Young Jew
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was never there, and Sumi had been diagnosed with disassociate
of identity disorder and was making all these other people
like in her head, creating them in their head and
on Jew. It was a bit different than what Sumi
had portrayed our to be. After the incident, Sumi returns
to the mental health facility and in Ju promises to visit.
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Often weird a tense moment where Sumi grabs Young Jew
and they have a struggle. In Jew it and her father,
Sumi's father returned to the home. We do have a
flashback to see the tragic moments of su Yun in
her mother's death. While their mother was sick, the father
had brought yung Ju, the mistress, back to the house. Distraught.
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The mother died by suicide within the war drop in
su Yuan's room when Suyuan discovers her, The shock causes
the body and the wardrobe to fall on suyan and
though yan Jew discovers it, she leaves without helping, and
because of an argument between yan Ju and Sumi, Sume
never goes to check in on su Yuan like they
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heard the noise, but no one goes to check except
for young Jew, and that's how we learn that all
that death, which is pretty horrifically played out, and in
the end, the ghost of su Yuan does return because
she has actually been there and takes revenge against Yan
Jew end scene.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Wow, Yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean she basically Sueyan
basically suffocates under the wardrobe, is alive, asking for help,
asking for and that's her final words are asking her
sister for help. Yeah, and the mistress says to uh
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Sue me, Uh, you're gonna regret this one day, You're
gonna regret this during their argument, and it's because she
knows her sister's dying.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's such a weird way to be, Like that means
you neglected her and you essentially killed her. Yeah, because
everybody was in the house.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I feel like my take was she actually was going
to find somebody to be like there's something wrong, and
then she got in this argument and then she was
like what never never mind.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, she was going back and forth. You could see
her in her what am I going to do? What
am I going to do here? And then she got
confronted by Sumi odd odd way to respond in any way,
like she's a nurse.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yes, yes, so it was it was a very dark grim.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, so you don't feel bad about her, is So
it's like it was like Sumie wasn't that off about
who she was, you know what I mean, like that,
like she may not have actually abused abused, but she abused, yeah,
sou Yun, And it was a big like whatever was happening.
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So yeah, there are themes. I guess we'll try to
blame them out in our heads and on the mic family,
however distorted. It is like the mother was there trying
to comfort su Yun at times. Obviously the sisters dearly
loved each other and their mother. For Sumi, it became
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a whole conversation about protecting her. So like her her
trauma is partially that she blames herself for not protecting
her from whatever evil that she saw her stepmother at
that time, her dad's mischief being h and she kids
she did. She to the point that she's even like
shaking her and like telling her, I'm i'm aa, you
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have to talk to me. I told you must talk
to me, and and so Ya never implies that actually
was any abuse.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, And that's kind of the interesting thing is that
it's very evil stepmother. Yes, kind of a situation like
kind of the fairy tale you were talking about. So
I can see sue me both almost making it simpler
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and heavy quotes of like she is this evil stepmother,
that is who she is, Yeah, but the truth being
she was still bad, right, she just wasn't that right,
But we don't know. We don't know for sure, you
don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, I think it's interesting again, like her never even
talking to her father exactly, except for she does try
to advocate, saying she's doing all these things, and the
father was like, I need you to stop. You have
to stop this without any implication about what it is,
and he never really seems to be helping out other
than just medicating her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean, I agree with your previous statement that he's
pretty useless throughout because you know, the first time you
watch it, I assume you've got kind of a sixth
sense vibe, like, you know, you get to the end
and the whole time he's like your best s uff
and we need to get you on this medication. But
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it still feels like, right, he could have done a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Right, I mean a little bit more. He brought in
his mistress while his wife was still alive and terminally ill.
Like there's so many ly like, so many things to
be like you were the catalysm this, dude.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean obviously like the thing with
the wardrobe, which was hinted throughout as being like this
traumatic thing, we don't talk about it. It was very
much a he never wanted to confront what happened, right,
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He didn't want to deal with it, and it was
a really painful thing to deal with. But if you've
you know, if something like this has happened, you've got
a kid, you're gonna have to deal with it, right
or else, Like I mean, she was in a mental institution.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right, Yeah, you would think a little closer hand. I
did find it also interesting that again the stepmother tries
to play happy mom at the beginning. Of course, again
this is something in her head because she was never there. Yeah,
so in her mind that this was what she was
trying to do, which is interesting build up. Also, the birds,
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why were the there if they weren't actually on Jews pets?
Why were they there? Or were they there? Maybe they weren't.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
See This is the question, because I after I watched this,
this happens to me a lot with horror movies. I'm like,
I want to make sure I got the point of this,
so I go and look it up online, even without
like this being work. So I looked it up online
and people seem to think that the birds are real
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and she killed them or kill them.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, it does show that where she does that. So
why were they there?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I think that I think it's meant to mess with
your head. Maybe the dad bought them as some sort
of this is my.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I don't know, I don't know, replacement for your sister.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh god, oh terrible. No, I'm saying like maybe it's
a like for his mistress, but I don't I'm not
sure sure. Yeah, one of my thoughts. It does get
to the end and it has a bunch of flashbacks,
as you said, and it's like, oh no, it was
actually Sue me doing this doing this. The birds were
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one which you did have a funny and the breakdown
of it. You had a funny line that made me
laugh where you didn't explain the birds at all. You
just for like, there are birds.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Other than the house gets abused supposedly in our mind.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But I'm like, why yeah, yeah, but just so you know, listeners, Uh,
they're birds. Yeah, they're birds that die. As part of
the horror narrative.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I guess dog makes me sad. Okay. So another theme
obviously is grief and how that kind of pours out,
because we also see after after the flash, when we
see how Sumi is processing and it's not well. She
goes into this associate identity disorder and plays a part
of everyone, including Suyuan and Young Jew to the the
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fact that like she tries to I don't know if
this actually happens where she tries to get in bed
with her father and so her father leaves because he's like, whoa, yeah,
but we don't know that because it looks like it's
on Jew, which you know, thank you director for not
trying to actually make it seem as if they were
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laying in bed together, like we don't ever get a
flashback of being her. I appreciate that. But like all
of those things that she's thoroughly playing those parts in
her in her like trauma, and that's kind of how
those grief comes out. And you see Young Jew the
stepmother guilt, like when she sits and like it's kind
of holding her face, and I feel like some of
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that is her memory is the flashback as well, and
then back and forth, and so it's interesting to see
her like, you know, something is wrong and she did
something wrong, because she also notices finally here's the ghost
at the end, and that's part of her like guilt,
it seems.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, And it's very apparent from the beginning for
a lot of reasons that sum is not in a
good place, but you don't know why. But you have
like this overhanging the whole time. You're like, well, how
did she end up in this place? Why is there
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this tension everywhere? What is it? And as you slowly
learn more and more about this family dynamic and then
ultimately what happened that caused this trauma like the fallout,
it makes more sense thinking about it in retrospect of
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like how Sumi was behaving and how she was visualizing things,
and how she was projecting these certain emotions or ideas
on other people. And so it was really interesting. It
was an interesting look at that kind of trauma and
grief and how we process it or struggle to process it.
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Or don't process it. But yeah, just her because in
the beginning, like her and her sister holding hands. Yeah,
her sister's not even that, but they're so close and
they don't say anything, like it's just you don't know
what it is, but you know, okay, they're it feels
like they're bound together by trauma.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right right. I mean it kind of makes you imply
like whatever happened to the mom may have been the
big thing. Yeah, because it kind of goes back and
forth on that and yeah, like how do you grieve that?
Because she doesn't even really grieve her she's grieving her
mom with Sue Young, who is not alive as well.
But she's actually traumatized by Sudey Young's death more than
her mom's death, which was bad enough. They don't even
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get to have that moment, uh, to grieve one person.
They grieve everyone, even the like expected death. And I
put that in quotes in like her mother being terminally
ill already and then watching her deteriorate like I had
originally thought maybe Young Jew came in as a nurse,
which may have been the pretense of how she came
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into the house, but everybody knew they were having an
affair type of conversation. Yeah, but it's interesting to see
because also, uh, it implies that he's a doctor, she's
a nurse in what what? What type of what? What
are there? Like? What is their specialties? And what is
happening here? For a minute, I thought maybe yan Ju
was pushing like Suyan was. I knew Suyan wasn't there.
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Yanju being not being there actually was a surprise to me.
I was like, oh, yeah, I mean too, that's interesting.
That's the twist I was not expecting that. I was like, okay,
and and that yung Ju was actually pushing her psychosis
more by like because sounds like, oh, but she's talking
to su Young like she's there, so she must be
playing into this.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right, right, because normally when they pull a twist like that,
it's one it's one person.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, that was a new twist. Also, like I was like,
maybe she's also going through psychosis as well. Was with
in my head because of guilt, Yeah, that's what I
had imagined.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But yeah, I mean the m the death of their
mom and how it happened because.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
She was sick, but still uh yeah, oh but still yeah,
how was she doing it in her closet too, Like
that's mean, well, when you do that to you the
father again, how does he escape not seeing the one
to see?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Maybe there's another another version of the movie words.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I could also be like a lot of Asian movies
were very like misogynistic in itself and really feel like
they can blame them, like blame the mistress instead of
the husband, blame you know what I mean, like that level.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Like well, I also feel like, uh, a lot of
horror is very much you know, whose pain we want
to see? Women's right, so like men, they have like
their masculine manly pain, but for the like actual right,
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Oh this horrible thing happened to me.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Let's base it on them.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Also their deaths. Let's make it about their deaths and
it's they're false and then their traumas not And I
was trying to hold them together because there's nothing wrong
with us, that's men. Yeah. Obviously there's also is talk
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about the mental health of all of them, specifically assume me,
but like all of the process and what looks like
when it is this associated identity disorder. Of course this
is not true to life in all of this, but
like It is interesting how they portrayed that because you
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don't quite know how it's portrayed. You just see her
her views and also brings you a little bit confused
because I'm like, who isn't that bag? We know? So
is it an animal? I imagined? Like, honestly, I imagined a
deer or bear in the bag. I thought we were
going to see inside of it and then ended up
being a porcelain doll with no blood.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just a bunch of dolls.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah. And I did notice her hands cut like where
she had stabbed the view, but it was actually her
own hand. I did notice that that note was interesting,
and the and the panning of you being revealing that
it sumed me and not in jew but also like
the coping mechanisms again, that disassociative identity disorder coming through
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and how she is coping. At the very end, when
she's back in the Meddal Health hospital, she still hears
Sujin and the whistling, which I thought was also interesting,
But it turns out she's also a ghost, so yeah,
which is it? Which is it? But it was a catalyst,
I guess, and making sure that this plot kept going through.
But again. Now I'm confused. But was it really a
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ghost or was it wasn't it? Was she really there
or wasn't she?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think the ghost was there? Yeah, okay, So in
the context of the film, yeah, I think that ghost
was there at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So we're also saying in this that the cut that
the brother and his wife me were not there. That
never happened, right or did it?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't. I don't. I thought it did.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Oh did you think it really did? No?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know. But now that I've been thinking about
it more, I'm not sure. But the first time when
I watched its, oh yeah, that happens.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Why do they hate each other? Is the other part
to me is like, why does he hate her? Though
they seemed very chummy? That did he figure out? But
it was it would have been SueMi? So why would
he hate Sumi? He didn't do anything wrong technically.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Oh. I honestly love this kind of debate with horror movies.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So my assumption was they were never there.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I think that's I think you're correct. Okay, But
the first time I watched it, I was okay, all
in I was like, oh, yeah, they're there. I thought
she was having moments of lucidity and moments of not okay,
But now I think you're correct.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right, And the whole thing is like she had them
on her side of despising and making all the audience
think something in yun Ju is the villain here? Yes,
they're not far off. Speaking of so who is the
villain in this? In this scenario, I mean, Yunju is
not great. She absolutely let these like she could have
saved the su Yan and she refused to because you
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wanted to make someone else miserable.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, And I think like the best version I could
give her, the best read I could give of this,
what happened is that she had a moment where she
didn't know what to do, which she clearly did, but
it wasn't about killing them. It was just like a
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panicked moment and then she went in the hallway and
then acted terribly and let them die. So it's not
like even the best read I can think of is
not good right?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
All right? Like I feel like she was sitting there
watching her like Suan scratching desperately trying to get out,
and just watched her. At first she was hold fed
and then she's like, hmm, what do I do here. Yeah,
that's what I read that. Yeah. Oh so I also
would say again the father, useless father, maybe the whole villain,
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because none of this would have happened had he had
had some decency and been faithful.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
He's I was surprised at how much I was like, Wow,
this guy, he's not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That nothing, not a thing, useless getting mad because she's
not okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I wonder how much of that is a kind of restriction,
a restriction of the narrative maybe because like if we
as the audience, I don't know, uh, or they just
didn't give him any time. But I wonder if they
were really worried we would figure it out maybe, and
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so they were like, let's just make him.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's just get this done. Well. Also, I know in
the fairy tale, because it also infuriated me, was that
the thought the uh, the noble man does nothing until
all these people other people die, and then finally one
shaman comes to like, ay, your wife right now, she's
the worst. You might want to get rid of her.
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You're gonna be cursed. And he didn't do anything until
he figured out he was gonna be cursed. So I
wonder if it's supposed to be like a play on
that too, lesson learned to useless. Yeah, of course there
comes at the very end revenge.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So we see as Sue Yuan has the final moments
and like kind of sue it seems Sue Yun communicates
to Sue Me when she does the whistle to be
like I got this mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, and Sue Me is like lying in a hospital
bed and smiles and like tears come out of her eyes, right,
and then you see Sue Yuan.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Climbing out the closet. They love making ghostly girls coming
out of like areas climbing.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's scary, I get it, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Climbing under the bed. The grudge that was at the grudge.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
The grudge is when she like opens the covers and
there's the nightmare.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Y'all. They pushed me on that one, and I still
have my moments about back because I was like, was
in my bed, this is my safe space? How dare you?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It was very clever because a lot of us think
the bed, you hide under the covers and that's your
safe space, and they were.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Like what if it's in there, which they kind of
had that with Sueyn having nightmares, but it was actually
me having nightmares for so young. Yes, anyway, y'all, if
you like horror movies, you should go take the time
to watch this one and then come tell us what
we need to.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Know, tell us your interpretation. Yeah, because I mean, obviously
it's based off this fairy tale. But Samantha and I
we were discussing it before and we were like, well,
what was this which I like? I like that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, we love a good like on like unfinished
not unfinished, but like I like if.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's sort of I have to kind of think about it.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And it leaves people to have different interpretation.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, I honestly like all types of horror movies, but
I do like the type that leave leave it up
for interpretation and discussion.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is as good or is this bad? Or what's just happened?
Was it real or wasn't it exactly?
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
And for this feminist movie Friday, well, I don't know.
I had to be real slow about that, but apparently
I need to be. I am in the mood for
a horror movie. But we're making it AAPI because you know,
it's still AAPI History month and going with the classic
Korean horror A Tale of Two Sisters written and directed
(00:41):
by Kimji Wu. We're tapping into an old folklore which
was mentioned and we talked about a little bit with
the ladies of What's her Name podcast titled Jianghwa hongry
Yan Jeon, which translated the story of Junghua and Hungryan,
which is a fairly tragic fairy tale and in clues
the evil stepmother and reincarnation, which I was thinking about
(01:04):
why that story seems so sad to me when everybody
seems to kind of be okay with the ending. It's
just the whole ideal of reincarnation. It's not something I
grew up with, but I guess if you grew up
with that, that gives you a little bit of like hope. Yeah, yeah,
it still makes me very sad and feel like there's
no justice in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It was sad, I thought, I personally thought it was
very sad before we start.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I guess content warning for so many traumatic and tragic
things here. Death by suicide is going to be mentioned,
affairs and just mental health diagnosis all throughout, so know that. Also,
it is a Korean horror movie, so it's extra tragic.
For some reason in my head, they have to make
(01:53):
it a little more damaging. It seems wow. And if
you haven't seen it it and you want to watch it,
we're gonna be spoiling the hell out of it, even
though it is like a twenty two year old film. Pause.
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(02:36):
seven day trial, and go come back and listen to
the rest of this episode. All right. So with all that, yes,
this movie was released in two thousand and three, and
there is an American remake titled The Uninvited, which is
a movie I have repeatedly watched and repeatedly forgotten about,
because every time I will see it as like a preview,
I'm like, oh, I watch it because I'm trying to
watch you know, we love a good horror film. Here
(02:59):
the time I get to that and I'm like, oh, wait,
I've seen this. I think this happened like three or
four times now, and even to the point that I
was trying to compare these two movies, and I still
could not remember what happened in The Uninvited, y'all, And
I think I've stayed it in a few times.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I haven't. We confused ourselves a bit with that one
because I've also seen it. But and I was telling
you about it, and you were like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Not the same one. But then I.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Couldn't remember really what happens in it, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You and I went back and forth and did this happen?
Maybe this happened. This happened. We're doing great.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's good to say about the quality of the film. Actually,
I have no idea, but I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Again, I cannot remember from the life of us. But
for the Korean world, this was a pretty big film.
A lot of awards were given, even to Best New
Actress M Su Jung, who plays Sue Me. So yes,
there's got a lot of love in sotop Korea as
well as in other places, like for a foreign film
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is pretty popular in its take. So and it was
during the era of like Asian horror films being remade
in the US, like Grudge, and all of that was
coming at the same time, and you know, that's really haunting.
And I still can't shake those memories either. I had
to watch this during the day just in case because
I'm alone here.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
No, you were taking I understand.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, there's too many things that jump around, and then
Korean Asian horror films, I feel like a whole different levels.
I'm like, I'm a I'm not gonna be alone by
myself in this house that you would be petrified by.
So yeah, if you tell.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Me, try not to watch horror movies when I'm alone
at your house.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Anyway, So yes, there you go. Obviously there are some differences,
but again we're going to concentrate on the Korean version
because I can't quite remember the American anyway. It's okay,
So let's begin with the plot. We have sisters Sumi
and su Yuan, who have been gone for some time. Assumi,
the oldest daughter, has been in a psychiatric hospital and
(05:17):
finally gets to come home with Sue Yan. Upon their arrival,
after going to explore around the grounds and kind of
establishing the fact that they're very close sisters, they are
greeted by their stepmother, You and Jew, who seems overly
eager about them being there, like very fake. The girls
seems united and holding hands and not speaking. Is obvious
(05:38):
that that it's very tense. The father, who seems kind
of useless just an fyi, is exhausted from the very
beginning with everyone there, It doesn't matter, He's just exhausted.
Things are tense in the home as Sumi is adjusting
but also trying to protect her younger sister the whole time.
Young Jew seems to be upset as well, taking different
(05:58):
medications and trying to get close to her husband. The father.
There's birds involved, which seems like pets for Young Jew.
Nightmares of ghostly figures ensue all of them except for
the father. As things start to escalate, we find that
Young Jew is taking out her frustrations, or it seems
according to Sumi Sue Yung, and Sumi tries to get
(06:21):
her father to do something about it, and he's very resistant,
and he keeps trying to get her to talk, and
she's like, you know, you're not doing anything. So it
counts ut back and forth. One night, when their uncle
and his wife come to visit, awkward conversations but happened
between in Yun Jew and the uncle. It is uncomfortable
and is at this time that me He who is
the wife, suffers a severe seizure like it was a
(06:43):
real grotesque I didn't know what was happening, if she
was allergic to something or she was being possessed. There
was a lot going on. After they leave, me He
tells him that she saw a ghost of a little
girl under the sink. At the same time, Young Jew,
where we see she is also confided by the ghosts
like it's looking around the kitchen, puts her hands down
(07:04):
and she gets grabbed classic Asian takes all the time.
Later we find the birds all that we did the
whole scene. Also pictures that Sumi found of all of them,
including Young Jew, are destroyed, with Young Jew's face marked
up is At this point, Yung Ju punishes Suyan by
forcing her into a wardrobe which has some dark history
(07:27):
that is not supposed to be talked about, even to
the points that me tries to get her dad to
move it. As all this unfolds, we see both Young
Juu and Sumi falling apart. A fight breaks down between
Yan Ju and Sumi as Sumi discovers Young Jew's abuse
in and juw dragging a bloody bag across the house.
Sumi believes it is su Yuan in the bag and
both fight. It's then that her father returns, as he
(07:49):
had been gone to pick someone up because he has
a phone call, very mysterious phone call. He carries Sumi,
who he discovers on the floor and also tends to
Young juw urging her to take her meds her pills
and as if everything comes to a head, it is
soon discovered that su Yun was already dead and was
never there. In fact, since Sumi's return, she and her
father were the only ones in the home. Young Jew
(08:12):
was never there, and Sumi had been diagnosed with disassociate
of identity disorder and was making all these other people
like in her head, creating them in their head and
on Jew. It was a bit different than what Sumi
had portrayed our to be. After the incident, Sumi returns
to the mental health facility and in Ju promises to visit.
(08:35):
Often weird a tense moment where Sumi grabs Young Jew
and they have a struggle. In Jew it and her father,
Sumi's father returned to the home. We do have a
flashback to see the tragic moments of su Yun in
her mother's death. While their mother was sick, the father
had brought yung Ju, the mistress, back to the house. Distraught.
(08:57):
The mother died by suicide within the war drop in
su Yuan's room when Suyuan discovers her, The shock causes
the body and the wardrobe to fall on suyan and
though yan Jew discovers it, she leaves without helping, and
because of an argument between yan Ju and Sumi, Sume
never goes to check in on su Yuan like they
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heard the noise, but no one goes to check except
for young Jew, and that's how we learn that all
that death, which is pretty horrifically played out, and in
the end, the ghost of su Yuan does return because
she has actually been there and takes revenge against Yan
Jew end scene.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Wow, Yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean she basically Sueyan
basically suffocates under the wardrobe, is alive, asking for help,
asking for and that's her final words are asking her
sister for help. Yeah, and the mistress says to uh
(10:02):
Sue me, Uh, you're gonna regret this one day, You're
gonna regret this during their argument, and it's because she
knows her sister's dying.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's such a weird way to be, Like that means
you neglected her and you essentially killed her. Yeah, because
everybody was in the house.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I feel like my take was she actually was going
to find somebody to be like there's something wrong, and
then she got in this argument and then she was
like what never never mind.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, she was going back and forth. You could see
her in her what am I going to do? What
am I going to do here? And then she got
confronted by Sumi odd odd way to respond in any way,
like she's a nurse.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yes, yes, so it was it was a very dark grim.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, so you don't feel bad about her, is So
it's like it was like Sumie wasn't that off about
who she was, you know what I mean, like that,
like she may not have actually abused abused, but she abused, yeah,
sou Yun, And it was a big like whatever was happening.
(11:25):
So yeah, there are themes. I guess we'll try to
blame them out in our heads and on the mic family,
however distorted. It is like the mother was there trying
to comfort su Yun at times. Obviously the sisters dearly
loved each other and their mother. For Sumi, it became
(11:45):
a whole conversation about protecting her. So like her her
trauma is partially that she blames herself for not protecting
her from whatever evil that she saw her stepmother at
that time, her dad's mischief being h and she kids
she did. She to the point that she's even like
shaking her and like telling her, I'm i'm aa, you
(12:07):
have to talk to me. I told you must talk
to me, and and so Ya never implies that actually
was any abuse.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, And that's kind of the interesting thing is that
it's very evil stepmother. Yes, kind of a situation like
kind of the fairy tale you were talking about. So
I can see sue me both almost making it simpler
(12:35):
and heavy quotes of like she is this evil stepmother,
that is who she is, Yeah, but the truth being
she was still bad, right, she just wasn't that right,
But we don't know. We don't know for sure, you
don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, I think it's interesting again, like her never even
talking to her father exactly, except for she does try
to advocate, saying she's doing all these things, and the
father was like, I need you to stop. You have
to stop this without any implication about what it is,
and he never really seems to be helping out other
than just medicating her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean, I agree with your previous statement that he's
pretty useless throughout because you know, the first time you
watch it, I assume you've got kind of a sixth
sense vibe, like, you know, you get to the end
and the whole time he's like your best s uff
and we need to get you on this medication. But
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it still feels like, right, he could have done a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Right, I mean a little bit more. He brought in
his mistress while his wife was still alive and terminally ill.
Like there's so many ly like, so many things to
be like you were the catalysm this, dude.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean obviously like the thing with
the wardrobe, which was hinted throughout as being like this
traumatic thing, we don't talk about it. It was very
much a he never wanted to confront what happened, right,
(14:16):
He didn't want to deal with it, and it was
a really painful thing to deal with. But if you've
you know, if something like this has happened, you've got
a kid, you're gonna have to deal with it, right
or else, Like I mean, she was in a mental institution.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right, Yeah, you would think a little closer hand. I
did find it also interesting that again the stepmother tries
to play happy mom at the beginning. Of course, again
this is something in her head because she was never there. Yeah,
so in her mind that this was what she was
trying to do, which is interesting build up. Also, the birds,
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why were the there if they weren't actually on Jews pets?
Why were they there? Or were they there? Maybe they weren't.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
See This is the question, because I after I watched this,
this happens to me a lot with horror movies. I'm like,
I want to make sure I got the point of this,
so I go and look it up online, even without
like this being work. So I looked it up online
and people seem to think that the birds are real
(15:27):
and she killed them or kill them.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, it does show that where she does that. So
why were they there?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I think that I think it's meant to mess with
your head. Maybe the dad bought them as some sort
of this is my.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I don't know, I don't know, replacement for your sister.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh god, oh terrible. No, I'm saying like maybe it's
a like for his mistress, but I don't I'm not
sure sure. Yeah, one of my thoughts. It does get
to the end and it has a bunch of flashbacks,
as you said, and it's like, oh no, it was
actually Sue me doing this doing this. The birds were
(16:14):
one which you did have a funny and the breakdown
of it. You had a funny line that made me
laugh where you didn't explain the birds at all. You
just for like, there are birds.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Other than the house gets abused supposedly in our mind.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But I'm like, why yeah, yeah, but just so you know, listeners, Uh,
they're birds. Yeah, they're birds that die. As part of
the horror narrative.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I guess dog makes me sad. Okay. So another theme
obviously is grief and how that kind of pours out,
because we also see after after the flash, when we
see how Sumi is processing and it's not well. She
goes into this associate identity disorder and plays a part
of everyone, including Suyuan and Young Jew to the the
(17:12):
fact that like she tries to I don't know if
this actually happens where she tries to get in bed
with her father and so her father leaves because he's like, whoa, yeah,
but we don't know that because it looks like it's
on Jew, which you know, thank you director for not
trying to actually make it seem as if they were
(17:32):
laying in bed together, like we don't ever get a
flashback of being her. I appreciate that. But like all
of those things that she's thoroughly playing those parts in
her in her like trauma, and that's kind of how
those grief comes out. And you see Young Jew the
stepmother guilt, like when she sits and like it's kind
of holding her face, and I feel like some of
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that is her memory is the flashback as well, and
then back and forth, and so it's interesting to see
her like, you know, something is wrong and she did
something wrong, because she also notices finally here's the ghost
at the end, and that's part of her like guilt,
it seems.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, And it's very apparent from the beginning for
a lot of reasons that sum is not in a
good place, but you don't know why. But you have
like this overhanging the whole time. You're like, well, how
did she end up in this place? Why is there
(18:30):
this tension everywhere? What is it? And as you slowly
learn more and more about this family dynamic and then
ultimately what happened that caused this trauma like the fallout,
it makes more sense thinking about it in retrospect of
(18:52):
like how Sumi was behaving and how she was visualizing things,
and how she was projecting these certain emotions or ideas
on other people. And so it was really interesting. It
was an interesting look at that kind of trauma and
grief and how we process it or struggle to process it.
(19:14):
Or don't process it. But yeah, just her because in
the beginning, like her and her sister holding hands. Yeah,
her sister's not even that, but they're so close and
they don't say anything, like it's just you don't know
what it is, but you know, okay, they're it feels
like they're bound together by trauma.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right right. I mean it kind of makes you imply
like whatever happened to the mom may have been the
big thing. Yeah, because it kind of goes back and
forth on that and yeah, like how do you grieve that?
Because she doesn't even really grieve her she's grieving her
mom with Sue Young, who is not alive as well.
But she's actually traumatized by Sudey Young's death more than
her mom's death, which was bad enough. They don't even
(19:58):
get to have that moment, uh, to grieve one person.
They grieve everyone, even the like expected death. And I
put that in quotes in like her mother being terminally
ill already and then watching her deteriorate like I had
originally thought maybe Young Jew came in as a nurse,
which may have been the pretense of how she came
(20:20):
into the house, but everybody knew they were having an
affair type of conversation. Yeah, but it's interesting to see
because also, uh, it implies that he's a doctor, she's
a nurse in what what? What type of what? What
are there? Like? What is their specialties? And what is
happening here? For a minute, I thought maybe yan Ju
was pushing like Suyan was. I knew Suyan wasn't there.
(20:42):
Yanju being not being there actually was a surprise to me.
I was like, oh, yeah, I mean too, that's interesting.
That's the twist I was not expecting that. I was like, okay,
and and that yung Ju was actually pushing her psychosis
more by like because sounds like, oh, but she's talking
to su Young like she's there, so she must be
playing into this.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right, right, because normally when they pull a twist like that,
it's one it's one person.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, that was a new twist. Also, like I was like,
maybe she's also going through psychosis as well. Was with
in my head because of guilt, Yeah, that's what I
had imagined.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But yeah, I mean the m the death of their
mom and how it happened because.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
She was sick, but still uh yeah, oh but still yeah,
how was she doing it in her closet too, Like
that's mean, well, when you do that to you the
father again, how does he escape not seeing the one
to see?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Maybe there's another another version of the movie words.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I could also be like a lot of Asian movies
were very like misogynistic in itself and really feel like
they can blame them, like blame the mistress instead of
the husband, blame you know what I mean, like that level.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Like well, I also feel like, uh, a lot of
horror is very much you know, whose pain we want
to see? Women's right, so like men, they have like
their masculine manly pain, but for the like actual right,
(22:27):
Oh this horrible thing happened to me.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Let's base it on them.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Also their deaths. Let's make it about their deaths and
it's they're false and then their traumas not And I
was trying to hold them together because there's nothing wrong
with us, that's men. Yeah. Obviously there's also is talk
(22:54):
about the mental health of all of them, specifically assume me,
but like all of the process and what looks like
when it is this associated identity disorder. Of course this
is not true to life in all of this, but
like It is interesting how they portrayed that because you
(23:15):
don't quite know how it's portrayed. You just see her
her views and also brings you a little bit confused
because I'm like, who isn't that bag? We know? So
is it an animal? I imagined? Like, honestly, I imagined a
deer or bear in the bag. I thought we were
going to see inside of it and then ended up
being a porcelain doll with no blood.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just a bunch of dolls.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah. And I did notice her hands cut like where
she had stabbed the view, but it was actually her
own hand. I did notice that that note was interesting,
and the and the panning of you being revealing that
it sumed me and not in jew but also like
the coping mechanisms again, that disassociative identity disorder coming through
(24:00):
and how she is coping. At the very end, when
she's back in the Meddal Health hospital, she still hears
Sujin and the whistling, which I thought was also interesting,
But it turns out she's also a ghost, so yeah,
which is it? Which is it? But it was a catalyst,
I guess, and making sure that this plot kept going through.
But again. Now I'm confused. But was it really a
(24:23):
ghost or was it wasn't it? Was she really there
or wasn't she?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think the ghost was there? Yeah, okay, So in
the context of the film, yeah, I think that ghost
was there at the end.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So we're also saying in this that the cut that
the brother and his wife me were not there. That
never happened, right or did it?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't. I don't. I thought it did.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Oh did you think it really did? No?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know. But now that I've been thinking about
it more, I'm not sure. But the first time when
I watched its, oh yeah, that happens.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Why do they hate each other? Is the other part
to me is like, why does he hate her? Though
they seemed very chummy? That did he figure out? But
it was it would have been SueMi? So why would
he hate Sumi? He didn't do anything wrong technically.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Oh. I honestly love this kind of debate with horror movies.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So my assumption was they were never there.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I think that's I think you're correct. Okay, But
the first time I watched it, I was okay, all
in I was like, oh, yeah, they're there. I thought
she was having moments of lucidity and moments of not okay,
But now I think you're correct.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right, And the whole thing is like she had them
on her side of despising and making all the audience
think something in yun Ju is the villain here? Yes,
they're not far off. Speaking of so who is the
villain in this? In this scenario, I mean, Yunju is
not great. She absolutely let these like she could have
saved the su Yan and she refused to because you
(26:04):
wanted to make someone else miserable.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, And I think like the best version I could
give her, the best read I could give of this,
what happened is that she had a moment where she
didn't know what to do, which she clearly did, but
it wasn't about killing them. It was just like a
(26:33):
panicked moment and then she went in the hallway and
then acted terribly and let them die. So it's not
like even the best read I can think of is
not good right?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
All right? Like I feel like she was sitting there
watching her like Suan scratching desperately trying to get out,
and just watched her. At first she was hold fed
and then she's like, hmm, what do I do here. Yeah,
that's what I read that. Yeah. Oh so I also
would say again the father, useless father, maybe the whole villain,
(27:05):
because none of this would have happened had he had
had some decency and been faithful.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
He's I was surprised at how much I was like, Wow,
this guy, he's not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That nothing, not a thing, useless getting mad because she's
not okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I wonder how much of that is a kind of restriction,
a restriction of the narrative maybe because like if we
as the audience, I don't know, uh, or they just
didn't give him any time. But I wonder if they
were really worried we would figure it out maybe, and
(27:49):
so they were like, let's just make him.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's just get this done. Well. Also, I know in
the fairy tale, because it also infuriated me, was that
the thought the uh, the noble man does nothing until
all these people other people die, and then finally one
shaman comes to like, ay, your wife right now, she's
the worst. You might want to get rid of her.
(28:14):
You're gonna be cursed. And he didn't do anything until
he figured out he was gonna be cursed. So I
wonder if it's supposed to be like a play on
that too, lesson learned to useless. Yeah, of course there
comes at the very end revenge.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So we see as Sue Yuan has the final moments
and like kind of sue it seems Sue Yun communicates
to Sue Me when she does the whistle to be
like I got this mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, and Sue Me is like lying in a hospital
bed and smiles and like tears come out of her eyes, right,
and then you see Sue Yuan.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Climbing out the closet. They love making ghostly girls coming
out of like areas climbing.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's scary, I get it, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Climbing under the bed. The grudge that was at the grudge.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
The grudge is when she like opens the covers and
there's the nightmare.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Y'all. They pushed me on that one, and I still
have my moments about back because I was like, was
in my bed, this is my safe space? How dare you?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It was very clever because a lot of us think
the bed, you hide under the covers and that's your
safe space, and they were.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Like what if it's in there, which they kind of
had that with Sueyn having nightmares, but it was actually
me having nightmares for so young. Yes, anyway, y'all, if
you like horror movies, you should go take the time
to watch this one and then come tell us what
we need to.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Know, tell us your interpretation. Yeah, because I mean, obviously
it's based off this fairy tale. But Samantha and I
we were discussing it before and we were like, well,
what was this which I like? I like that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, we love a good like on like unfinished
not unfinished, but like I like if.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's sort of I have to kind of think about it.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And it leaves people to have different interpretation.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, I honestly like all types of horror movies, but
I do like the type that leave leave it up
for interpretation and discussion.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is as good or is this bad? Or what's just happened?
Was it real or wasn't it exactly?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Pricer My and your contributor Joey.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Thank you and thanks to you for listening.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
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