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June 7, 2025 • 15 mins

Thanks to celebrities, the bob haircut took the 1920s by storm. Anney and Samantha dish on the trend (and controversy) that shook the fashion world in this classic episode.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't want some stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Never told you, but if I heard you, And today
we were bringing back a fun classic.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
It's the History of the Bob, the haircut.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Bob because my friend, my friend Marissa kind of got
a haircut and we were talking. We were talking about
the history of the Bob and I've had a ball.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I got one right after.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I think that's why we did this episode after the
pandemic where you could like go out again, and I
wanted to donate my hair, and it is when you
first get it, it's so uncomfortable because it's so short
and he feels so self conscious, or at least I did,
because I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, no, I think I've done this since I was
in high school. So it's just spills like yah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Again, back where I've belong, Bob Bob. But it's a
really interesting history, so please enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha and often to Stefan,
never told your production of iHeartRadio. So Samantha, have you
ever gotten what you would call a trendy haircut?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And follow up question, have you ever gotten a really
bad haircut?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So, yeah, I would say, I definitely got a trendy haircut.
My trendy haircut would have been recent ones where I
get it pretty short to the point they have to
shave a little bit of the back of my neck
and it does the whole like one sided type of
little bit of asive metric, not completely type of style.
I really love that Hairdoo, so that's gonna be what
I go back to. But again, yeah, so I feel

(01:59):
like it's quote unquote because I'm trying desperately not to
be a forty year old Asian mom look, which can
get real simple and easy when you get the Connie chunk.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's what I call it.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
No disrespect to Connie Chunk, but from like the late eighties,
early nineties, Hairdoo beautiful woman, wonderful, married a really bad
person whatever. Outside of that, her hair to me signified
Asian moms, and I try to stay far away from that. Okay,
But the really bad haircut, I would say my historical

(02:34):
bad haircut was because I was in the orphanage coming
into the US so much nice solution was give a
bowl cut. So really made my mother very sad because
in the pictures I had very, very very long hair
and I came into the US with a bob, not
even a bob. It was a literal bolfcut like it

(02:54):
definitely because my hair is also really think at the top,
so it even bushed.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Out a little more, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
That was even better. And my mother, because Gendro was
very important to her, made sure I will wear I
was wearing bows and such to signify that I am, yes,
a female, even with a bull cut, so I wasn't.
That's probably the worst haircut I've ever gotten.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, well, that's interesting you say that. Well, actually returned
to that point in a bit. I I definitely tried
to get haircuts that were trendy that I had no
business getting. So I was really into friends when I
was in elementary and middle school.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
He did the feather I tried to get to Rachel
did not look anything my kid.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I tried to get when Monica Courtney Cox had pretty
much a bob, I tried to do that. And my
hair is really thick, and I think the person who
cut it, and this is like no shade at all,
but I think that she wasn't used to dealing with
really thick hair like mine. But mine also poofed out
and it looked quite funny. I think that's the worst

(03:57):
haircut I've ever had.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh, fifth grade, bad year to have a bad haircut too.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, and that's before you know, I had like a
straightener or anything to do something with it.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
And most of the time we were so young we
didn't know what to do with it right exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
So it did feel like because I didn't want to
upset the person who cut my hair's feelings.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
But I remember being like, don't cry, don't cry my
whole life.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
You paid the money, so it's kind of like, oh,
why am I sparing your feelings for my bad haircut?

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Only a couple of months of mockery.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, I think that was like I have good friends
who will just go to and not nothing wrong with
like the cheaper haircuts, but generally just like it's cheaper whatever,
not realizing a lot of times hair is not as
easy as you think. I think many people have learned
as they've tried to do the home haircuts, and they'd
be like, it grows out. But there's been a couple

(04:56):
of situations where they would say that that'd be like
are you sure, and then okay, I'm.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Gonna go fix it. Are you sure, Are you sure?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
And yeah, I'm the same way because I don't feel
like my hair is hard to do, but it is
very straight and though it's thick but still fine. So
you can see any mess up right, like any off
kilter like one you know, snag, you can see it.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
So I definitely have.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
A little concerns of like when I at least need you
to be you know, straight, properly straight, whatever. And I
know many of friends who have very curly hair. It
is a nightmare trying to find a specialist. And we
also know, especially like black women who's trying to get
their hair done, it's a whole separate level and conversation.
So yeah, I think it's good. There's a lot you
have to do about haircuts. Why did you have to

(05:45):
consider there are?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
There are?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
And yeah, I also went through a really big Mary
Kate and Ashley face or whatever haircut they had. That's
the haircut I wanted. And eventually I'm glad I reached
the point. Well, well, people would tell me like, you
can't pull that off. I'm sorry, your hair is it
right for it? But it could do all these other
amazing things but not that. But I had one that
was like, yeah, the big flipping out like a layered

(06:07):
flipping out look, and it wasn't good here.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I believe I had that hairdoo too, and I liked
it for the most part, except once again, it aged
me more than I wanted it to.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, so we're talking about one of the trendiest haircuts
of all time for this and the reason we're talking
about it is, Yes, like the day I had my
two weeks out from vaccine fully vaccinated, I went and
got my haircut and I was donating it and I
needed ten inches and she was like, there's really only
one haircut you can do, and it's pretty much a

(06:44):
bob And everyone came over and they were all like pointing.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Out the hair like what are you gonna do about this?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
So?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
What are you gonna do about this? And I was
just like, oh gosh, please.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Because I've never had it this short before, and they did.
I asked about the have you seen a lot of
people coming in with their self haircuts?

Speaker 1 (07:01):
And she said, yeah, it's a lot of disasters we've
had to try to rectify. But I do like it.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I do keep like feeling at it and or trying
to put it up and I'm like, oh, yeah, there's
no no hair back there anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
But it's so fun to wash. It tries so quickly.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, I did like having long hair as well, but
this is a nice.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I feel like, I'm pretty sure you've at least used
on two separate occasions the excuse of washing your hair
as to not being able to do something previously before
this new haircut.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Of course, that's a legit excuse. It's like a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
People would laugh at me because I would be like,
I have to take my long shower today and they'd
be like what does that mean, and like, well, it's
ten minutes in the shower, but then it's like hours.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Doing with wet hair.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But yes, for this Monday Minnie, we thought we would
do a really quick brief history of the Bob haircut.
I think way back in twenty thirteen, the host Kristen
Caroline did an episode on short hair women with short hair,
because there are a bunch of stereotypes that come along
with that historically that are still around, maybe not as strong,

(08:13):
but still around, right, So if you want to hear
more about that, you can check it out.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
And yes, long hair has long.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Been associated with fertility, youth, and femininity. In May of
nineteen twenty, s Scott Fitzgerald published a short story called
Bernice Bobs her Hair in This Saturday Evening Post. It
told the tale of Bernice, who is sort of this
hapless and gullible person and how her cousin convinced her
to chop off all of her hair and the fallout

(08:52):
was just enormous. She's uninvited from events, she's shunned by men,
and worried about bringing scandal to her family or her haircut. Right.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
So, while the bob is primarily associated with the flapper
look of the twenties, one of the most famous examples
made headlines in nineteen fifteen when trendsetter and dancer Irene
Castle cut her hair short so it would be easier
to deal with. The look was called the Castle bob.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
However, in the early days, if a woman wanted to
get this look, hairdressers at salons might refuse to give
it to them. To be fair, sometimes they still will
because it was seen as controversial and scandalous. Not necessarily
because it was scandalous. People will refuse it because they're
just scared that you're making a mistake because we know
they also talk about the whole boyfriend ex boyfriend, you know,

(09:40):
drama stuff and cutting your hair. Yeah, and I know
I've seen stylist say no, just wait, just sleep on it,
or they may not know how to do it because
it was so new, or have the proper tools, so
women might go to barber's instead. Again, women still do this,
and for the most part, barber's complied.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That's all I had considered until we were talking about it.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Just now how odd it might be to have a
haircut named after you, and you just have to hope
that it was a good haircut.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Look, so did we do we talk about.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
The why is called the bob Yes, hairdressers realized that
they had better get on board or they were just
going to get left behind, and so they got on board.
It turned out to be a financially wise decision. Newspapers
even wrote about it. The Washington Post publish a piece
called Economics of Bobbing in nineteen twenty five detailing the

(10:33):
monetary impact of this hairstyle, reporting that from nineteen twenty
to nineteen twenty four, the number of hairdressing shops in
the US arose from five to twenty one thousand, and
this didn't take into account.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Barbershops, right, And I can imagine the upkeep because when
you have short hair, you have to go more often.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's true if you want to upkeep. So that's costly.
Is costly.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
It was so popular and so widespread in the twenties.
That was pretty much the stand for the Sears Melt
ordered catalog. Oh, those Sears catalogs, and several variations developed,
the Marcel the finger wave, which I've desperately wanted to try,
but I can't do it with my hair. Oh, the
shingle bob and the eaten crop, and accessies like bobby

(11:16):
pins were created to style these haircuts, and there were
still concerns, including something called the shingle headache, describing as
a type of neurogia caused by the abrupt removal of
hair exposing the sensitive back of their necks.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, so I didn't know that about bobby pins. That's
where the name comes from. And going back to what
you were saying earlier, Samantha, about your mom putting you know,
the bows and all these kind of gender indicators in
your hair.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Some of these were like the headband.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And then we get the Bobby Pins that that was
kind of the same idea, right, And yes, the name
for Bob comes from a seventeenth century word meaning short hair.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So pretty okay, okay, that's pretty straightforward. Yeah, yeah, the
Castle Bob.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I highly recommend there's a really great infographic of
all the types of these haircuts and what they looked like.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And yes, I think the like.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Shingle one is being oh dangerous, is gonna give you pain.
And then it's just interesting because a lot of the
historians where I was reading these articles and they would
wrap it up with something like there's never been a
haircut quite like this one, or it's so it's pretty
rare that this was such a trend and it was
so different than what had been before, and yeah, just

(12:33):
like jump start the hairstyling industry and to have all
these accessories come out along with it, and to be
so like everybody wanted.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
One, right, I mean definitely that Bob, that shortcut, the
finger wave. We know what that era is automatically, everyone knows.
Everyone knows. We know different hairstyles like the Faarah faucet,
but we don't really attribute that to.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
A whole generation.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
We don't see that as iconic, even though that is
an iconic Haredo, right, it's because of fair faucet making
an iconic hare do suggest the Rachel. I do remember
kind of an hour era outside of the Rachel was
a haircut that happened because of Dawson's Creek. Michelle Williams
and Carry Russell during that like early two thousands cut
off their hair to the pixie cut almost and people

(13:22):
lost their minds. I remember the amount of vitrol that
they went through for cutting off their hair, and it's
such a like to me, that's kind of alf of
that iconic, But it's still never going to be as big,
right as the Bob was. That We definitely can associate
pixie haircut to like the early two thousands, late nineties
because of them, but it still will not be on

(13:44):
par as what happened with the Bob for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, man, how wild that must have been, where it's
kind of like everyone has long hair, then all of
a sudden everyone's same cut off.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Cut it off again.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
To have be the first person to do this and
then just being chastised and then later on be like, oh,
well that's that's cute.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
We liked it. Never mind.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, I'm sorry, all right, it's fashionable now, okay, get
you a hat.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, and that's a different conversation, perhaps not for this
mini That was just a brief history, but there was
a lot of and still is talk of like the
feminism of certain haircuts, and the bob does come up
in that one a lot. But that's that's more than
what we're going into you in this one. In the meantime,

(14:34):
if there are any other haircut styles we should look
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Speaker 3 (14:48):
Thank you, Christina.

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