Dems Flirt With Bullying? Trump Needs iPad Time! 06.03.25

In episode 1873, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of Stuff They Don't Want You To Know & Ridiculous History, and the new co-host of Wrongful Conviction, Ben Bowlin, to discuss… Trump Needs TV To Learn About America’s Threats, Tim Walz - DEMS NEED TO BULLY THE SHIT OUT OF TRUMP, Spielberg’s Next Movie is Going to Be The First Big Alien Movie Post UAP Disclosures, Oreo’s Parent Company Is Taking Aldi To Court and more!

1. The conservative wave is hobbling Pride celebrations across the country. But in some small towns, the party’s just getting started.
2. Gabbard Wants Fox Hosts to Feed Trump Top Secret Intel: ‘Doesn’t Read’
3. Tim Walz Tells Democrats to 'Bully the S***' Out of Donald Trump
4. Oreo maker Mondelez sues Aldi, alleging chain copies packaging to confuse shoppers
5. Lawsuit accuses Aldi of copying others' packaging: See for yourself
6. The Maker of Oreo and Cadbury Dairy Milk Has Been Fined $366 Million. Here’s Why
7. Nabisco factory in New Jersey closing after 63 years
8. Grocer Aldi to add 800 of its discount stores across US as Americans feel pinch of high food prices
9. EU Commission fines Oreo maker Mondelez 337.5 million euros for blocking cross-border sales
10. Mondelez selling part of its gum business for $1.35B

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
That's like mailing a script here to yourself to copyright
the copyright.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, is that bait? What where is even like the
most tenuous strand of reality that's connected to that bone
headed idea that you just mail yourself something.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Therefore it's copywritten.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
The poor man's copyright comes from the idea that certified
mail puts it on record, but it doesn't like, Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's like maybe to prove that it was that idea
had been in the world your.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Case in court, but it doesn't really copyright it.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
So you definitely leave that envelope sealed. And then at
the court you're like, and now I will open this. Yes,
steamer writing.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
And yellow diamonds look like peep, sorry push, and I'm
stealing that And you did and you didn't mail.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
That, so you're push the tea song right.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'd like to call my next witness, push.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
A tea, push a teh.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay, that's the thing that you want, yellow diamonds that
look like pepe or boogers. I was learning before we start. Yes,
are we still to beer? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Rappers still haven't gone. They're not talking about lab growing
like the industry. Does you know what I mean? This
isn't gonna be the first time that there's a product
where I go in and say, I'm sorry, do you
have any anything that looks like PEP? It's not the
first time, it's certainly not gonna be the last.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Hello, sir, welcome. It's my it's my way of asking
if they have original Mountain dew. Welcome to twenty one
Carret Jeweler. Sir, what can I do for you? Oh man,
I am in trouble with my wife. Do you have
anything that looks like PP?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, we have a couple of different shades. Are you're
looking for something more like?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I don't know. He has got to know that. Yeah,
renal failure. Yeah, I want them.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I want I want like urreic acid crystals attached to
the diamonds.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Time, much like I want to keep to look viscus.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, my diamond should look like someone needs to call
a doctor.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
The thing that's coming out of that is making a
PLoP sound. All right, Like that's what I'm talking about.
There we go, kidney stone stoned.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Kidney stone stones on my There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
The stones on my wife's wrists need to look like
they came out of kidney. You know what I'm saying
kidney stones.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I feel like we're being so prescient right now. I
cannot wait to hear this come up in another album.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Right Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I mean yellow diamonds look
like PEPs.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's like we waiting for a Clips album for how
many years and the first bar, first thing we're here
to put these yellow diamonds look like peep. Yes, sadly,
I'm like, yes, that's a that's a person real.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, And that's literally the first line of this new
track from the forthcoming album Ace Trumpets.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's just it's got that e ending sort rhymes ship
in English.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's it's more just they just admire it for its Yeah.
Just every when they're trying to write a verse, they
just have like a framed word. Yeah. I mean even
in that for Real song that you like with Tyler
the Creator cash and cash Out, he's got that lyric
like this ship neon yellow like peon it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, it's everywhere. Yeah. What is this man drinking?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, okay, I'm drinking air conditioning refrigerator.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh god, it's really expensive, so it's kind of baller.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
You can go ahead and start recording if you haven't
started already.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, this is all on record. Push right after that,
the represented to the Library of Congress email.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
We're gonna mail it to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three ninety one,
Episode two of der nally th Guys.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, that's the production of by Heart Radio.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
What's the podcast where we take a deep dive into
American share consciousness? And it's Tuesday, June third, twenty twenty five. Yes,
we're three days into Pride. Shout out everybody is pride.
Shout out the places that are still So.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was reading an article about how there's actually an
it been an uptick in small town pride events, you know,
because despite the fucking terrible homophobic, you know, vibes coming
from the government, it's actually like it's it's created in,
you know, a swell of confidence of people really wanting
to go out there and represent for themselves. Really heartwarming
articles thet Yeah, because it's one of those things it's like,

(04:49):
you don't need a fucking municipality to tell you that
you can get together and celebrate like sorry and people.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do, and in fact, municipally approved parties oftentime is not
the best ones.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, yeah, in fact, they suck.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
But it's also National egg Day, the prices coming out,
National Chocolate macaroon Day, and National Repeat Day. I don't
know what that is. It looks like the Oh it's
also National Repeat Death. Which day is thicking repeat? What
the fuck?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh, it's about playing a song on fucking repeat. I know,
I know, shit, I'm about to do that with this.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Bone bone bo bone, boom bone. Tell me what you
want to do, your little diamonds pepe. All right, Well,
my name is Jack O'Brien AKA.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
You you look like you peed. Wow. I didn't even realize.
I mean, I guess I could have guessed.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
But you say it's water ice, but you say it's
water ice.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh, Jackie, you you look like you pe, but you
say it's wood or ice. We're going to do this
twelve house? Would you say it?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now? That one?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Courtesy of Patty eleven twenty on the discord. Shout out
to Patty eleven twenty. Okay, Patty, Yeah, your shout out
to just a tiny anecdote. That is the only thing
that people ride AKA is for me about anymore? Yep,
you got nothing else going on, Jack, You pee yourself
and blame the wood Ice. I mean it's facts. It

(06:26):
does appear to be what happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
co host, mister Miles Gray.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, it's Miles Gray aka on the mic is Miles GG.
Shout out to me right now. I can't look as
somebody who grew up idolizing cocaine rap, as someone who
went to a private high school and was nowhere near
you dealing cocaine in my teenage years.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Clips.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
This album's coming out in about a month and nine days,
and they just they had a new track come out
with produced by Pharrell, and the first line is yellow
diamonds look like peep and I can't. It's an earworm,
I think because it feels like a rhyme from twenty
four years ago that we're just like, yeah, dude, that's
just sick.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
We did you put? Everything from twenty four years ago
is coming back?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, nine to eleven, probably back for the president's ignoring
daily presidential briefings. It's all coming back, y'all.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, that's right, Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in
our third seat once again by a writer who's one
of the best podcast hosts and executive producers doing it.
You know him from stuff they don't want you to know,
ridiculous history missing in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's Ben Bowler, AKA.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
You're right, AKA you're in trouble AKA Noil wob Nebb.
Shout out to our earlier conversation about spelling things backwards.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Noilb Neb, Dude, Yeah, that's a sick ass spot like
Star Wars name Noil lob Nebb. Yeah, and or in
the show Andler Yeah, maybe it's like a tertiary character,
you know, of course, And did you see nil Neb?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah? Yeah. And then I was still trying to I
was like, oh, it's like something to do with pee backwards.
What what is I just figured, yeah, it's your name.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's his name, you guys back, jeez, we solve the mystery.
What's up you guys? I was thinking about I was
thinking about you all earlier. I am so glad to
h to join you again. And shout out to our
producer Justin Man. This time, I'm not going to mess.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Up the audio. You got my word? Okay, it's been yeah,
I say every time, Yeah, I know it is. We're
gonna leave you this time. Trust then verify Reagan jokes.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
All Right, it's great to have you back, Ben, We're
thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know
you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
going to tell the listeners a couple of the things
that we're talking about today. We're just gotta peak behind
the curtain at the at the Trump administration, just in
terms of like how he's learning the most important information

(09:11):
that a president can learn from the presidential daily briefing,
which I didn't know was optional, but apparently is. You know,
I mean, even Biden was was not hitting one hundred
on these he wasn't. He was like, I don't know,
it's not it's not a presidential brief daily briefing day.

(09:32):
It's let's make that a presidential weekly briefing. This guys,
I'm sleepy, yeah, but name something you do every day
other than impossible impossible for me to think of anything. Anyways,
moving on to the second story of the Daily Zeitgeist,
Tim Walls has some ideas of how Democrats should be

(09:53):
interacting with the Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
From the New York Times. This revelation from him won't
say bean back, it.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Does see he does seem like the most significant figure
to be making sense on this front.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Steven Spielberg's next movie is going to be his first
big alien movie since I guess, I mean, like it
seems like it's like Alien. It like it's written by him,
like ET and Close Encounters. It was shooting in New
Jersey around the time.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Of the drone invasion.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I don't know if anybody I don't know about that,
but it's also going to be I think the first
big alien movie. Posts like a lot of the UAP disclosures,
So just curious to check in with Pat about where
he's at with UAP stuff and drones. Also, yeah, drones,
And we'll talk about Oreo's parent company is suing a

(10:49):
company that Aldi. They're like a German brand that like
does discount versions of famous you know Oreos chips, Ahoy
Nutter butter, and I admire their moxie. You guys, they're
they're just changing the words and copying everything else from
the packaging.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Definitely, it's got big Sherry Bobbins energy, all of that
plenty more.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
But first, Ben Bolin, we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Oh gosh, yeah, guys, I was looking through this stuff.
One thing another p joke that I fell into before
without even knowing we were going to talk about this
is you, guys know Bigfoot rightly, but aware of the idea.
There's a version of Bigfoot as encryptid out in the

(11:46):
interior of China, and its name is I guess in
English would say urin y E R E N. And
so we did our best on stuff they don't want
you to know, to do an entire episode about the
scientific investigation into the existence reported of this creature without

(12:07):
doing p jokes, and I want to be honest, we
fucking failed.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah we could. We couldn't there it's right there. You know.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
We're no push of t but we are.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Fans of punns. I guess it's just you're downstream. You're
downstream of Yeah, well are thank you downstream downstairs, no.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Joke left behind, we like. What's interesting about this for
any fans of cryptids is that, unlike the Bigfoot stuff
here in the US or Canada, in China, partially due
to the aftermath of the revolution, the Communist Revolution, there
was this move to replace superstition with science. Right to

(13:00):
look at spirituality as an opiate for the masses, et cetera.
And so they poured a lot of money into going
into these mountainous remote regions of China and trying to
find this.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Thing to explain it. Basically, they're like taking it seriously.
They're like, it's out there and we're gonna find it.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Like imagine, okay, imagine if all of us listening tonight.
We we went to the White House and we said, hey, guys, uh,
we need millions of dollars to look for Bigfoot, and
it needs to be a federal program. And the White
House said, yeah, let me fuck it.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's what happens. Like you have to ask RFK. He's
like the parent that's asleep at the wheel that he makes. Hey,
can we like something billion dollars like Bigfoot? Yeah? I
feel you have. Don Junior pitched r FK on this.
It'd be happening tomorrow. You know you don't think he has.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
He's like, here, dude, dude, what are we going to
do with about the fucking yetti threat. Man, They've already
got like a line.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Of coolers and ship man and cups and stuff. What's next?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
So I just wanted to confirm because Ben does sometimes
write down at Searchestree it's underrated, overrated before And I
just I think it's probably a smart move that you
changed it from how to test if the bathwater content
of a soap that you ordered through the mail.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, that that's between us.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Man. You said you're going to be cool. Yeah, No, I.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Just I think that was probably the right Definitely cut
this out. Oh great, what is something you think is underrated?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right? This speaking of MPR and being a little.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Folksy tib waltz stuff with this. I was hanging out
in a place where people don't really do small talk
and I realized that, well, hanging actually with people from Finland,
and I thought that was a cultural stereotype. They don't
do small talk, small sample size. But the ones I

(15:05):
were kicking, I was kicking it with do not do
small talk, and I kind of miss it. You know, Uh,
maybe it's because I I spend time in Atlanta. You know,
everybody in Atlanta talks to everybody else in the city
as though you're vaguely related.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Right, So the South is just small essentially, Yeah, the
South is small talk. That's like most of your day
is taken up by small talk in the South, Yeah,
answer questions about your hat or T shirt? You like it?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
You like it?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, all right, so I I it reminds me about
your earlier explorations on mondanity. You know where you guys
at on small talk? Do you guys do much small
talk in your day to day lives? Or you just like, Hi,
my name's Miles, my name's Jack. Does God exist?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, that actually sounds kind of like our text message is.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I don't know, I mean small talk. I don't personally,
I'm not great at like making up things I don't
care about out of thin air to talk to somebody. Usually,
like the way I do small talk is I just
try and like find out as much as I can
about a person. I guess that's my thing. It's not
like hey the weather, I'm like, oh, yeah, where are
you from? So yeah, let me go through your contacts

(16:23):
real quick.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I don't know them. I don't know them. I don't
know them. Oh they got money.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I used to be terrified of that improv game.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Do you guys remember that where they're like, hey, we're
gonna get somebody's phone in the audience, and one of
our performers will do lines just from these text messages
jack off to pictures of their family.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
That was all those shows always got messy. They'd be like, yo,
what do you this person exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
That psychopath, But I hear what you're saying to me.
I think that's one of the great differentiators.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Small talk gets a bad name when it's artificial, right,
when it's let me make up something to say, you know,
like we're we're in an elevator and someone says, oh,
the floor eight and then in Atlanta, so it would
be like, you know it, you know that's bullshit, that's weird,

(17:15):
rights a little too much, you.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Know, I seven eight nine or eight seven?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Fuck?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know six is crazy. Fuck that's me doing small talk.
And the new thing the kids are doing is trying
to get people to say six seven and then they're ripped.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
They're ripped. They're referencing this like meme, rap song. It's
I don't know, bro, I'm too online. Right now, Miles
is hour tacking my brain because this teacher was like
teenager correspondent.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, they're like, my kids just asked me to add
thirty four plus thirty three.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I saw that, but it was like, I just I
did the thing where. I mean, I wasn't in front
of anyone. I was just on the internet, but I
just was like, yeah, I get.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
It that.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Your computer I did. I was sitting by myself looking
at my phone. I go, I get that. Oh my gosh,
did you say something? Yeah, because it's six seven, it's anyway,
it's it's a rap song. Don't worry about it. If
a kid tries to get you to say it, you
just respond. Let's see what they say. What is something

(18:24):
you think is over it? The penny? I don't like it.
I think it's dumb. And yeah yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
About ass pennies ub season one? Yeah, one of my favorites,
the greatest confidence booster. I know there's a good chance
he's handled one of my ass pennies.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Which way, was the best thing the penny ever did?
Actually that sketch man. When's the last time you guys
peaked for something with cash just a penny?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, those are two very different questions. I bought a
street hot dog to like four days ago with cash pennies.
Oh god, I don't know. Yeah, it's been.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm trying to think the last time I was like, oh,
I've got a penny, like as part of the transaction, right,
it was probably like when they used to be like
to give a penny, take a penny thing a little.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Change cup at the counter. It's weird because we're increasingly
moving toward a society that does not use physical currency.
Right aside from this is not like an RFK junior
ad to run and buy gold or whatever. But it's
weird that it's taken so long for the United States

(19:41):
to collectively walk away from the penny. Canada did it
a while back. Other countries have done it. They just
round stuff up the nearest five cents.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's what I've My concern is, like like the scheme
in office space where everything's just like round and and
they're just like keeping all of that.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I'm like with I feel like that.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Money is just all going to the worst people in
the world. I think I have to assume it's going
like any rounding in any direction is not going to
be down to benefit the consumer. It's going to be
up to benefit whoever, whoever the richest person involved in
that product is.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So let's get in on it now, you know what
I mean? Like if podcasting doesn't work out, just like
in that nineteen nineties film Hackers, you'll make like all
the timely refs, all the timely refs. I'm putting my
finger to my vein right here or artery. I can't
remember a finger on the pulse. Not all the jokes
are gonna land. But yeah, fuck pennies, man, I'm just

(20:41):
so tired of them. Like, wait, are you using a
lot of pennies? Then you say this like someone who
has a handle pennies?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Pennies? Does I pay you? And pennies?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I shouldn't the deliveries here? Yeah, it's just sucking a
dump truck. Yeah, it looks like all workers just like
sliding that thing open. He's just like fucking evening it
out on your driveway. Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I wish I made that many pennies.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
No, they just it costs more to make them than
they are worth. Right, you could say utility of value.
After a certain amount of time, the penny would justify
its cost of production, which is something like two or
three cents I guess. But they're mainly made of zinc.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Is there any conspiracy theories around pennies? I feel like
this has to be ripe for conspiracy theories, like I
feel like it's some ship, some guide.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
To you know why they fucking have pennies?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right? Oh yeah, yeah, it just like hits the bog
because of course it's a bog.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
It's like, wow, damnit, let you smoking here like that?
You're just my brother's anyway, you know Mark, are you?
Are you smoking in here again? We don't leave that
guy alone about the pennies.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Outside If you want to hit this outside, yeah, I
bet you there are it is.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I mean we mentioned it off handedly that it's there's
a big lobbying component, like the zinc lobbying industry is
all up in the history of pennies and basically the
only reason that it still exists is yeah, you know
the zinc lobby. Okay, thank you, that's right, the old.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, yeah, we should get with big zinc. I think
what the next move is fill them out.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Makes even the announcement of the pennies being retired, they're like,
we just have one more like palette of a billion
blank pennies to get through and then were you know,
they're like, we're not going to cut them off cold
turkey guys, right right, right, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Strategic reserves of pennies. I'm sure, yeah, blank pennies. Though
also interesting to find out that they're there's such a thing.
I mainly, you know, I have a lot of money
invested in commemorative.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You know, the like you get zoos where they reshape it.
That's kind of at the l A Zoo, all those
machines out of order, a lot of the La Zoo La.
It's it's it's kind of a bummer, dude. It's so
they built that ship in the nineties and just left it.
They're just like, you know, what's crazy. I last time

(23:13):
I went, I was nineteen ninety one, and then I
was the zoo was such an eld like me for
me growing up, we just never went. And then I
was like, but they did.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
It's it's nicer now for sure, but it was anyway
I couldn't. What do you guys, damp pennies, What do
you guys think about zoos in general?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like animal jail? Yeah, animal prison? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's cool. What do you mean animal jail? I think
it's cool as hell. Wait what did you call what
did you just call animal jail?

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Oh we got we've got the Atlanta Zoo and I
when I when I go see the Atlanta Zoo, which
is next to a very strange thing that closed a
while back called the cycle Bama. At the Atlanta Zoo,
it's just it is a bummer, you know, to see elephants, oh,
to see other really intelligent animals and then like make

(24:00):
eye contact with you and say like why are these
smaller apes screaming at me and tapping on the glass.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
There were there was this one chimp so stressed out,
like picking like their their their fur out. I was like,
oh my god, bro, like this is oh yeah, it's
it's it's animal jail. I'm an abolitionist. I would say that,
but my child had to see a giraffe and I
don't have money to go to Africa. Giraffes are wild,

(24:28):
like you see those things in the person. I mean, look,
there's one thing the animals jail is good for. It's
a giraffe. Yeah, I mean, go see them in their
natural habitat backyard essentially Griffith Park.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I mean I don't, I don't know, man, without getting
too so boxy about it, you know, animal conservation efforts
are huge. You know that that I think that makes
a real difference. Giraffes, like we were talking about earlier.
With camels, they are goofy like you kind I do
have to see it in person to marvel at the

(25:03):
bizarre Shyamalan nature of evolution, Like how many I don't
know this, I haven't I haven't researched this, But how
many many eras of evolution did it take for the
draft to be like the final form of its thing?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I believe that the draft was the first thing and
we've all just like kind of evolved into this. They
were like really long neck copy yeah, and then everything
else this yeah, and then it was a bad idea
and they were like maybe maybe not maybe like opposable
thumbs instead shorter neck drafts, Like I don't know, should

(25:41):
we just be horses or something?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And camels are like, you guys are wild.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, you've got to blowing it all right, let's take
a quick break. Yeah, we'll be right back. We'll talk
about some news. We'll be right back, and we're back. Yeah,
just like I promised. It's like Papa promised.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh like I said, and you all doubted me. I said,
no way, did I guy? Did I tell you guys?
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Probably got I ran into someone who thought the abbreviation
AF for you know, as fu. Yeah, they thought it
stood for as foretold, and it just puts such a
positive spin on all the things I read.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
So this dude is high as foretold, This tact was
good as fore told anyway, So person really to like
fantasy books as the as the prophecy hath foretold. So
so Jack AF, you're back, Yes, we're back, AF. We're

(26:55):
back a truly in accordance with the prophecy as a
prophecy mm hm. And yeah, we just want to talk
about what's going on behind the scenes. We everything from
the outside looks good. Yeah, that's the trub administration. What's
it like to be working there, trying to trying to
get through that noggin?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Look on the surface, the wealthiest man alive is in
the Oval office high ready yeah, alma ready, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
But he's been I think he's been a little too much,
mom spaghetti. Yeah, it's fucking up his bladder.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
But again, yeah, with Trump right, famously an idiot who
can't read and only can absorb information if it's being
said to him by a blonde woman on a television
So what is Director of National Intelligence Toulci Gabbert to
do when the president doesn't read his Presidential Daily Brieface,
you know, the little document that the president reads every

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day that you get an idea of the ongoing threats
to the country faces. He has been in office one
hundred and thirty three days. This is June second, so
he's been in office as we record this, he's been
at office one hundred thirty three days. And guess how
many daily briefings this man has engaged with fourteen since
taking office. Fourteen too, out of one thirty three.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
During his first administration, if you remember, they're like we
had to change it to one page with a flip
book attached at the bottom, so.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's a little more interactive. And it came with a
like a coloring book sections to get him to sort
of like look at the maps. And he only did
that like fifty five times. So in his first run
at president, he did he hit fifty five out of
one hundred and thirty three.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Now fourteen four, going down a bit, Joe Biden less
than weekly, that's like week and a half lee, Yeah,
Joe Biden hit ninety in this same period, do you
guys have any idea how sleepy he was he hit
ninety ninety. I mean that could be a lie where
they're like he was just asleep and he was in there,
and they're like.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Right, he.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Just like went in and like read to him while
he was asleep. He's probably getting it. Just threw it.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, there's pillow at night, so it absorbs question head
question question.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Okay, So just fourteen times so far in the second presidency,
one hundred and thirty three days in As you said, juweet,
what if it's like for two weeks he was on
point at everyone like something happened and.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Then we had it gave out.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I do think that's kind of how he tends to operate,
like with his adderall binges or whatever it is that
like gets him. You know, he'll he'll be tweeting through
the night for like ten days in a row, and then.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
He'll be sleepy. He'll go away for a few days.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, trying to reach that bar of when he used
to fall in sleepless.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Sleep inside of us. We were just talking Ben, did
you know the lyrics to Semi Charmed kind of Life?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
But ye know, yeah, yeahwe has lyrics about it's basically
explicitly about Crystal Myth myth and references the time when
wanting you to get back to a time when he
fell asleep inside some of you.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
That was one of those songs with the where I
think the lyrics went over a lot of heads. Would
you hear it as a kid?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I know you knew he's I mean, I don't know,
there's an alternate reading. He's talking a lot about ice
falling asleep inside of you.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
That could be a reference to Empire strikes back when
Luke has to sleep inside the ton Tony.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I don't know. I think you guys just kind of know.
You're just the most childish interpretation that has no idea
what meth is. I'm like, no, that's Star Wars. Yeah,
think about it. Yeah, you guys are pushing a Crystal
Myth right now. Yeah, yeah, Crystal Myth narrative. So he's
so Trump's already getting like the dumbed down spark notes
version in crayon.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
And it's just his name a lot too. Oh yeah, yeah,
they were told to always on his name in Yeah,
they have this.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Written into the scriptap snaps.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, verthetical cat whispers.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Shaking keys. I remember learning that Ronald Reagan used to
the presidential Daily Briefing that everybody else would get were
these like thick documents that they had to get through
before they started their day. And then Reagan was like,
give it to me, like each one of these pages
can be a paragraph. And everyone's like, and that's how

(31:30):
dumb he was. And now we're at the point where
like they're not doing it, and when they do, they're like,
read it to me slowly and.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
More. Give me America is a long line exactly. So again,
what is Tulsi to do? And I think that's easy,
as we said in the beginning, just make it look
like his favorite TV show, Fox News these NBC News quote.
Gabrett also reportedly also reportedly consulted with current and form
more intelligence officials. I'm bringing in a Fox News producer

(32:03):
and host to reshape the presidential Daily Briefings, which are
usually text and image based for national security reasons, to
deliver the intel in broadcast form.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
They said.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
The process could involve granting Fox the Fox News team
security clearance to access classified information. Once so, I said,
quote the problem with Trump is that he doesn't read.
He's on broadcast all the time, So they just say, yeah,
this could happen, although White House spokesman Davis Ingle said
the report is quote libelous garbage from unnamed sources. Also,

(32:35):
how'd you find out? How you do? How you do that?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Do they once they get this up and running, because
this is like the solution to their problems and like
kind of I'm kind of impressed that they came up
with this idea. Do they tell him that it's or
do they like to be like, look what's on the TV? Yeah, hey, Bud,
you want your iPad?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Your iPad time? Yeah, okay, here you go?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then what it shows like Fox and Friends, like
a Fox and Friends made up Fox and Friends broadcast
where suddenly, like Brian kill Meat is.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Like President Trump, there is an urgent matter unfolding in
Sudan that needs to be addressed, Please choose one of
the following options. Anyway, So do we designate Pride flags
as terrorist symbols?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
So the pitches Fox News creating bespoke propaganda or broadcast
they have so.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
For him, it sounds like the the the medium in
which he will absorb the information is if it's a
TV show that's in the aesthetic of his favorite TV show.
So I don't know if it's gonna be like, hello,
I'm Toulci Gabbard and these are the top threats America's
faces blonde, turn it off her hair?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Who does you think she is?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Storm?

Speaker 1 (33:55):
What rogue?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
No one's a ro Roman Roe. Not in my book.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
They're gonna they're gonna break it and be like, this
is breaking news, sir, the presidential you know, every morning, sir,
breaking news.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Check this out. Oh my gosh. And that we can
do commercials too. That's what's really getting his head, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Possible, I mean like advertised to the president of the
United States, Like that is truly like kind of the
ultimate future of the thing is like everything being privatized.
So why wouldn't you create a broadcast only for the
president advertised to Jeff Bezos and fucking Elon Musk and

(34:38):
you know, just have have a show that is just
for one audience.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean, do you does your bladder have too much ketamine?
As fore told a president m hmm.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah. So we'll see where this goes. I mean, obviously,
the what we've been hearing about this since the beginning
of the administration is that he just can't be bothered
with these daily briefings. And again that's when all the
cabinet heads are like, okay, most pressing things, what are
we doing, mister president? And this is how you end
up fucking just completely asleep at the wheel while some

(35:15):
terrible shit happens or some funk up that could have
been prevented just unfolds before everyone's eyes.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Did you know where the countries are? Does he know
that they're they're like two Koreas?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
No, No, No, He's like he's like there's like there's
no Korea and fun in Korea.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I can't imagine, Like if you asked if he knew
where the countries are like that, that would be an
amazing just test, Like just catch Halsey Gabbard off, you know,
off the cuff and ask her that question and see
her try not to laugh, like there's no way she'd
be able to get through it.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Does he understand all the spatial relationships of the sort
of the geography in the region.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Sorry, I just had bubble spatial relations I was laughing
at how ridiculous that question is. Because of course the
president understands the spatial relations and that those countries are
over the sea as he refers to them.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
And we are an active exploration of object permanence.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Right, Truly, it feels like this is he needs it,
He needs it said in front of him in the
way that he likes it said. And again this is
this should be so everything should be so fucking scandalous.
But this guy is an absolute failure at everything, including
just fucking doing the paying attention part about being president,

(36:42):
aside from all the fascistic nonsense and the hatred.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Like the guy can't even fucking the guy can't even
president at all, and we're still I don't know why
the every headline should be like this guy's a mess
and we're all gonna die, like he's yeah, he baby.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
It's it is wild because then you think about what
he's getting instead of the daily presidential brief in right,
he's getting fucking whatever is coming through his algo on
truth social you know.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
So that's it feels dangerous.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I mean, who knew that fifty cent would end up
being like the operative The way Dennis Rodman had to
go to uh was Kim Jong und or ill I
can't remember, But now we have we have Curtis going
in to persuade Trump not to interfere with the Diddy trial.

(37:42):
And just like we have, he has weaponized his legendary
pettiness and now now he's the hero the court's need.
I think we're in a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
It is so weird. It's like, rather than being like,
let the legal system do it, saying you need a
piece of shit fifty cent in all his hating to
be like no, like getting the keeping up on this story.
What happened.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
He's trying because they're talking about a presidential pardon for Diddy,
that that fifty cents, Like, hell no, I am not
going to fucking let that happen. He said he would
reach out to Trump personally to quote dissuade him from
considering a pardon, which means theory of the Diddy pardon
just that because they like probably partied together at some point.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Man, I mean, yeah, there's definitely overlap. And then also,
I mean the store is open. I think the going
price is like a couple million, you.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Know, I think it's freak freak of but we all know,
we all know.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Look, Donald Trump doesn't pardon black people until the polls open. Baby,
you know, if you have to be white and not
have killed another white person to get a pardon. Now
that's what we're seeing now. If or white and you
have and you only did money crimes, you get a party.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
If you're a person of color, that has to be
something that he utilizes to.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Help, you know, with his polling once the campaign.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
He's a huge cut his fan also, so I feel that. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I saw his performance legendary folks.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
By the way, Miles is reading directly from a White
House Chief of staff email. Ye, dude, he's legal team exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Sorry, I don't know if you've seen the flow chart,
is is the subject black? Wait?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Three years?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right? Well? Are they white and having killed another white person?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Only did micromes?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, we can talk, we can talk.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
I derailed us, but I think I did it just
because I am so part of my French fucking terrified
of a world in which a guy who is the
decider for deploy nuclear weapons has to have his silly
little like.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Has fifty cent in his ear Wluie show and then
he has to have hold audience with fifty cent and
now I mean like again, and I think this probably
feeds into the next story about Tim Walls, like no
one is talking about like we're still stuck in the
fucking first administration. We've been like, whoa, that's not normal,
rather than because I get it, all the every media

(40:15):
outlet is like, dude's gonna fucking.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Sue us into smootherreens. If we're like this guy is
a waste and should not be anywhere near the office
every day, it's more absurd than the last week. What
the fuck is everyone doing around him? All of these
people around him need to also answer. Are all of
y'all fucking completely fucking off it?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
What is happening? But yeah, I will just say that
they should have done this for Joe Biden and just
like created an episode of Bonanza where like the you know,
the messaging of like genocide is bad.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, cowboys playing you partner, But yeah I did this?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Is uh, Tim Walls coming through saying the obvious thing,
But sometimes the obvious thing needs to be said over
and over again screen to the Democratic Party, you know
that they're they're still worried about favorability. I feel like
we talked about yesterday how they're like, ohc's favorability has
really skyrocketed.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
With like Obama.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
The Obamas like maybe maybe, maybe what maybe exactly. We
don't want to say anything specific. We don't want to
send people and make them uncomfortable. So just by saying
things like maybe it doesn't have any action that might
frighten people.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Uh, you know the army. Anybody gives a shit about
it is like somebody who will do something.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
That's the the Democrats catch phrase trademarked maybe Democrats maybe.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
The truck. But yeah, I mean like maybe, you know,
there's like two school I don't know, there's the mainstream
Democratic school of thought with the you know, Hakeem Jeffreys,
Chuck Schumer's, James Cobbles.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Of it just like just lay down and die and
let them have their way with your unconscious body for
everybody to see. And then the voters will be so
disgusted by the scrupulous behavior that they will have no
choice but to usher into the status quo yet.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Again, that is basically that one school of thought, and
then everyone else is like everyone else who lives in
the fucking world is like.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Fucking fight these stupid fucks. What are you doing? And
that's where Tim Wallace has been I mean, I get it.
Maybe he is the authority here because he is the
guy who kicked off the GOP is kind of weird, huh,
which was a sick burden from the Midwest, right, Oh yeah,
I don't know. I just think they're kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
You start meet up, you start hearing dun dun dun
dun du like it's meet the Grahams about to playing ship,
Like how do pretty come up with this ship? But yeah,
he is saying this isn't a good and he's been
saying like, if the fuck, if no one stands up,
you are going to you're tuning to quote political roadkill
because they're just gonna steamroll you. Quote this is what

(43:09):
he said. Quote.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Maybe it's time for us to be a little meaner.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Maybe it's time for us to be a little set Maybe.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
He fully can't commit to this either, because we want
plausible deniability that we actually ever believed anything we said.
To be a little more fierce, okay, because we have
to ferociously push back on this. And again I'll speak
to my teacher colleagues in here. The thing that bothers
a teacher more than anything is to watch a bully.
And when it's a child, you talk to him and
you tell him why bullying's wrong. But when it's an

(43:38):
adult like Donald Trump, you bully.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
The shit out of him back, You push it back,
You make sure they know it's not there, because at heart,
at heart, this is a weak, cruel man that.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Takes it out and punches down on people. And he
had a quote what they don't want to do is
stand to to to and punch back with someone who's
calling him out for what they do, who's being there.
So you know, this is the basics some friction rhetorically,
and they're and mind you, there are definitely people who
are outspoken, but the party is not unified. No, I'm
doing this, and that's where you need, That's where you

(44:12):
have you typically strengthen numbers for this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Like, the biggest problem with the Democratic Party, I feel
like up through twenty twenty four has been their unwillingness
to do anything that they thought might be risky in
any way.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
And you're the ick people.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
People can recognize that, and people are like, well, in
a system that is broken, those people are not who
we should be voting for, right like and yeah, so
multiple times, like Trump has very low favorability historically low
favorability for a president who someone who ends up winning
the presidency. But it's because people are like, I don't know,

(44:51):
I don't like him, but it seems like he will
get things done in a system that seems broken, and
the Democratic Party is just like do nothing, sit back
and let them dig their own grave, and like that
is just basically the opposite of what like Even even
when Walson was like, we I think we should call

(45:12):
them weird, they like backed away from that.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
They were like, that is that I just I don't know,
that might not test well in the end. We don't
want to.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
We don't want to. Yeah, yeah, we don't want to
put off weird America because if it's like flyover states
or something, it's like, oh god, we don't want to
lose the weird vote. Like we actually want jd Vance
to vote for us. Yeah, that's actually the demographic. We're
gonna go hard trying to get jd Vance to vote
for US.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Oh yeah. Our goal wasn't. Our goal wasn't. Yeah. Our
goal wasn't to have more votes than the Trump campaign.
Our vote was just to get like maybe jd Vance
and like Liz Cheney to vote for us, that would
be amazing because.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
There are a lot of people banging furniture, you know,
and we've got to represent them.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
We got to get that vote.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
We got to get out these guys seem weird.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Shut the fuck up, dude, Shut the fun up, and
don't talk about corporate greed or gaza or or diversity
or fucking police.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Shut then up. Yeah, let's take a quick break. We'll
come back. We'll check with our McKenzie advisors to see
how all that tested and went over, and then we'll
come back and uh, try some yeah, talk about some
stuff that isn't the news, and we're back. Mm. Well,

(46:41):
Tom waits yeah, the tool Man, Ye, Tom Waite's probably
better man man Boom, the tool Man tailor guy. Guys,
we don't want to hit in comedy and cigarettes. We
don't want to exclude the tims or the Toms. We
don't know what tim. No, no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
This isn't really that much news here, but I am
just curious, like they have my attention on this one.
The Spielberg's new movie, I guess is going to be
called The Dish. It is a like extraterrestrial focused movie.
It's he wrote the story. It is about gossip.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
It's the story of the Soup with Joel McHale. Wow.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Now we don't really know anything about it other than
that it's going to be about aliens. It's shot in
Cape May, New Jersey, around the time of a lot
of that New Jersey drone stuff. But it's also going
to be one of the first movies about aliens, one
of the first big movies about aliens that's coming out
after a lot of the UAP kind of but is

(47:51):
being taken seriously?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Did did Spielberg say anything about like that, like the
you know, inspiration for the movie or is it just
those things? Was like, I don't know, I've been thinking
about this for like forty five years. Yeah, it could
be just a time thinking about it for forty five years.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
And one of the things that indicates it might not
be a present day thing is that it's a costume designers,
the costume designer from West Side Story. So boy, he's
not saying that everybody's dressed exactly like the characters from
West Side Story.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
Yeah, yeah, you're saying maybe though, Yeah, you're saying maybe,
you're saying I mean maybe, I don't think a costume
design is like, and they only do nineteen forties and
fifties street gangs that kind of vibe.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I hear to pull a cool grease singer here. That
Dish was actually the show Danielle Fischelle from Boy Meets
World used to host, and like I knew there was
an actual show called The Dish. It was a real okay,
So maybe this is like these topanga from Boy World.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
The film adaptation Topenga meets Aliens.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I love it. I hope like the best version is
Steven Spielberg was like, I saw this talk and it
really got me thinking about a story that I could tell.
I would love to see that version of like Spielberg
Spielbergie intake on the arrow we're in right now. But
with this, I'm like, fine, whatever, I'll just take Nope.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
That's my interesting timeline question as well. You know, I
love the I love the question about whether he was
just thinking about this for the better part of a
half century and it kind of comes to fruition now
or I don't know. The timeline is like, as you
were pointing out, Jack, he's shooting this in New Jersey
around the same time as the still controversial New Jersey

(49:34):
drone invasion, right, So there is a non zero possibility
without dismissing people, there is a non zero possibility that
maybe some folks saw.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
The shootingnes yeah, and they were like, those are aliens
and they had you know, I like, what I would
do is set up a dummy number that the production runs,
so you could call to report the drones and then
would be like, don't tell anybody about this.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
It's actually Stevie's new thing.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
We're doing you.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Guys on uh, you know stuff they don't want you
to know, land on the UAP stuff and I guess intended, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I've got to tell you we've received a lot of correspondence,
especially with a New Jersey happening. We've received a lot
of correspondence not just from people who say, you know,
I'm not in aviation, I saw some weird stuff in
the sky, you know what what is going on? We've
also received correspondence from pilots from like ATC folks who

(50:43):
would be able to more so than the average person,
understand what they're seeing, you know what I mean, Like
the kind of people who can see.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
They're like, I look at sky stuff all the time
one of the main guys where I were.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
You know, let me give a shoulders right here, I
kind of know what lights look like. It's true again,
I read it.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
This jacket.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Came with it.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah, well you pay extra guys, you don't understand how
it works.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Special Yeah, dandrifs soaked? He hate you both. I'm sorry, Sorry,
you're being a democrat here. Where'd you guys? Land?

Speaker 3 (51:35):
You're right, there's clearly always going to be some kind
of technological discrepancy right between what what classified technology can
reach and what the public knows about.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's a given. Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I think we often overestimate the chasm between those two things.
But I can say it seems like there's there's something
weird about it. But I'm still on the fence because
the reporting is very much jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but
never ever jam today. You know, disclosure as a concept

(52:10):
seems to be conveniently trotted out as a don't pay
attention to this hand, look at this hands kind of thing,
And that's that part is concerning. But I do think,
you know, we we've talked about it in the past.
I do think there is a greater public consensus regarding

(52:32):
strange shit in the sky, right, and there is like
drone technology is changing warfare and surveillance. Remember when that
Remember one of those balloons came over from China and
everybody freaked out by balloons, And there were some guys
in Montana who are like, fuck it, man, I'll just
shoot this out. Yeah, because American with that mentality. The

(52:57):
reason I'm bringing that up to sew this up quickly
is that with that mentality, we would naturally assume that
if there were a huge amount of UAPs, as many
as are being reported in the scuttle butt online, then
someone would have successfully returned with evidence at that point.
You know, that's the question. It's like looking for Bigfoot

(53:20):
or the erin.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, you think you think nobody's trying to fucking shoot
a bigfoot, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Don't think someone's going to shoot one of these fucking
alien things down if they fucking could, right right, if.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
They were there.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
It's kind of like the question with uh when people
from Western Europe thought that gorillas were a myth, right,
one of the things that really changed their minds because
they weren't going to listen to the people who actually
lived in the area, or was finding poop.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
If a bigfoot exists, that where's the poop? If UAPs
are that prominent, right, if they proliferate at the frequency described,
then why isn't there anything?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Right? Yeah, where's the poop?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Did someone just bring back like a fucking chad gorilla
turd like in this like in a six foot coffin
and they're like, here's your evidence, and the like King Leopolds,
like there's ships out there that is big.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
That was by the way, like Kingletta gotta take shots
at the Belgian fuck with ifever I have a chance, terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Guy, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
And finally, Mondelez International issuing Aldi Aldi a L d
I or is that? Is that how I'm pronouncing it,
claiming that the chain blatantly copies their products, including chips, ahoy,
wheat thins and oreos. They're they're seeking monitory gages in
a court order to bar Aldi from selling products they

(54:52):
copy their trademarks. And we have some visual images here
of the Nutter butter or as the the versions called
peanut butter, crem chimps, ahoy or chocolate chip and oreo
or just original, which is a wild claim. They just

(55:12):
put original over top of like what are clearly meant
to be oreos. And although packaging and coloring is is identical.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
It's like they you know, like in photoshop you take
the eye dropper tool to be like I want this
exact CMYK number, like this exact tone.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
There's like a white glow behind the oreos like against
the exact same color of blue. Everything. It's it's kind
of impressive, like just an amazing, amazingly ballsy just recreation
the packaging.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
They didn't save anything for the swim back, that's for sure. Okay, Wait,
so I get why if you're the mondole Ague people,
I get why you would want to sue, right, because
because you're.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
A greedy piece of shit and you can't stand that
your overpriced.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Product is now creating a market for people to buy
a lower priced one, and they're just anyway.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, that's where that's where we're going with it. And
because they remember how there are the knockoff cereal brands,
you know what I mean, And then they're just they're
in the same aisle, they're in a different shelf. Right,
how have those people not been sued or have they
been sued?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
And we're just not.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
I'm sure they have.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
They've threaded the needle enough where they're like, it's the
red box and it's like the fruits circles, right, Like
I'm sure it was at one point called like fruit
hoops and had to can Dan Yeah and he you know, Tony,

(56:44):
but this it has it's Simpson's, Sherry Bobbins, big Energy.
Let's just switch a couple of letters like Ricky Rouse
or Ronald Ruck.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
It must be I think more important for sales in
this division for them to like actually trick people, because yeah,
I mean you could just like put the picture of
the cookies on a white package.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
And be like, I mean, people know what oreos look like.
But if it looks like it, I'm I'll be honest,
it's like buying replica sneakers, Like it look like the
real thing, so I'll try it done. Because if it
wasn't like a nondescript sort of like you know, a
blue blue stripe store brand kind of thing, then I'm like,
I don't know. But if you just give me that
Oreole blue, I'm like, okay, and it's a dollar fifty cheaper. Yeah,

(57:28):
I mean that was worth it. Yeah, Yeah, well, I
mean again because this is like the whole thing. You see,
there's like this whole drama on TikTok I saw with
like cake bakers getting mad that Walmart was selling like
a heart shaped cake and like home bakers like they're
undercutting us, and a lot of people are like, look,
there are different markets for things. There's the people that
will only have money to buy the Walmart one, and

(57:50):
then the people that will buy from you, So don't
worry about competing in different lanes because you're offering a
completely different thing. And this is like sort of the
reverse of that where they're like, we need undercut anybody
who's going to try and capture our fucking our customer base,
because those are the people that we're trying to squeeze
every fucking penny out of. Aren't there other is?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Are aren't there other quote unquote like ripoffs or derivatives
of these brands, like Hydrox cookies.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Right, Hydros were the originals? I think?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Okay, yeah, Oreos got a lot of here.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Oh wow, oh so oh see somebody should come back
with Hydros is like the Boogeyman.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Yeah, but I don't know, Yeah, just uh to your point,
like Mondolez has been suit. They were fined three hundred
and thirty six million dollars by the European Commission for
illegally limiting cross border sales across the EU in order
to quote maintain higher prices for its products to the
detriment of consumers. So they'll do whatever it takes to

(58:47):
be able to keep prices as size they want by
fucking up the competition. I think, yeah, I do. I've
never understood the rules around this, Like what what is
too close? Like the CBS and right aid brand medicines
that are able to just be like real county on
the packaging, like check the active ingredients and tail in

(59:08):
all gel caps and you might be surprised at what
you find. Like I'm assuming they're able to get away
with that just because they have probably healthy corporate lobbying.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Well, I also that I'm sure it's just that, like
you don't own that specific active drug, we just use
this this compound in your name brand thing.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
And they're like, yeah, we got that shit too, right.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
We're actually providing free advertising for Tilant all gel caps exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
We're telling them to compare right now, pick up the box, right, Oh,
ours is cheaper?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, aldi just be like, check out the active ingredients
in right, so justly toast corn syrup. We've got it
all here, all right? Well, Ben Bolin, what a pleasure
having you on the show. Where can people find you?
Follow you, hear you all that good stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah, you can check us out on stuff they don't
want you to know. You can find us on Ridiculous History.
I'd also like to I'd like to plug real quick
a thing that's pretty important to me right now, a
show called Wrongful Conviction. We were able to interview the
legendary activist Leonard Peltier. This is a three part interview,

(01:00:26):
you know. We were able to speak with mister Peltier
where he is currently on house arrest in his home,
so not quite free, but hopefully on the way. Please
check it out. These are stories that more people need
to know about. You can also dig through the Ridiculous
History archives and find none other than Miles and Jack

(01:00:48):
hanging out on Ridiculous History. I'm laughing because I'm checking
the last time I sent you guys an email.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
We need to get back here in my house burned
down man. Yeah, that's a pretty bulletproof excuse. Jack, You've
got nothing uses it too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
He uses it to us in the meeting earlier Miles
House burned down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
So wow, wow, So that's why you haven't been brushing
as much. You have a really bad cavity mis stroke. Bran, Well,
I'm saying it's harder on me, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's why I was. That's why I got the cavity doctors.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Unbelievable, what happened to my friend?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Oh jeez, and I am required for a dear member
of the Zeke gang to say hi to Albert and Hazel.
You know this is real because I pulled up my
phone to check the message.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Where did you meet at? Albert and Hazel? I believe
for animals?

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Oh okay, that's uh yeah, Well the their person is
I ging.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
How do you know the person?

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
I know the person because we we do comedy stuff together.
Oh okay, okay, I've totally a person in a corner here.
This is supposed to be a brief shout out today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Man, don't make me start doing my small talk. Oh,
I'll come here like a c I a fucking spook investigator.
I'm gonna get to the bottom of this ship. Don't
maybe small talk don't make me talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I got like a fucking car battery with jumper cables.
I don't want to do what he's talking about. Oh,
I love to chit chat to you. What you feels
like about the weather.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
It seems like a fucked up character at a TV show.
It's like, bring them in for some small talk. Actually,
I think you're so interesting. Oh God, how's it going today?
Rejected Batman character? Day? Huh, it's small talk. Oh, it

(01:02:42):
usually isn't hot this time of year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Answer to getting me with a phone book? Ben? Is
there a working media you've been enjoying? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yeah, I like this group I found called Delivery Boys.
I would say they're kind of new old school hip hop.
From what I can tell, it's these four guys in
New York who were doing bicycle bodega deliveries and they
started freestyling round. Well, I guess they were waiting on jobs.
But they're pretty good. You could see in on on

(01:03:15):
the radar other stuff like that. So their song Moccasin's
is pretty clean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Nice miles. Where can people find you as their work media?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Oh man, find me everywhere?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Out Miles of Gray find jacket on the Basketball Podcast
and Jack Boost talking about the finals matchup between the
Thunder and the Pacer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
The Thunder, the Thunders and the Pacer are going to
be playing each other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Pretty It'll be fun. I'm actually pretty excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Are both good at basketball, They're pretty good. I think
the Lakers are better, even though they verifiably aren't as good.
But I'm it's my man exactly, dude, and I'm just
so on well since the house burned down, bro, let
me have this anyway. Find us there. Also find me
at four to twenty day Fiance talking about ninety day Fiance.
A work of media I like at Kenwhite dot Besky

(01:04:07):
dot social.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
It's like the Pope pat from Twitter, but now blue.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Sky posted why were we not told that robo Joe
has not had his firmware updated in eight years and
is plagued by buggy programming and poor design choices? Thank you?
I asked six MIT robotics experts who were deported to
Burkina Fasso today from Jake Tapper in the New York Times.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Oh, also one more thing to promote. I was on
the latest episode of the Pastimes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That's Gareth and Dave from the dollip that's their other
show they do where basically Dave reads us a newspaper
from a very specific date in the before Times and
we just have fun with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
It was super fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
So obviously, if y'all fuck with the Dollup, and I
hope you fulk with me, you should definitely check out
the latest episode of the Pastimes. Let's see some works
of media I've been enjoying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Dricksen pro fi are Propagandist tweeted the rehearsal season three
is going to end with Nathan Fielder playing shortstop for
the San Diego Padres.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
That just feels right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Fernando and Igaz tweeted. The other two proves once again
how ahead of its time it was. And it's the
scene where they're in a publicist boardroom talking about how
a new Hadid sister just dropped and they're like, yeah, her,
her face actually took a little while to settle, but
now she's looking great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Literally.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
On Friday, there is a pop Crave thing that said
Gigi Hadid and Belahadid unveiled younger sister, twenty three year
old Aiden Nis twenty years ago. Our dad Will single
had a brief relationship that led to a pregnancy. We
first connected in late twenty twenty three, and from that
moment on, we've embraced Aiden with open arms. So they
didn't exactly say her face took a little time to settle,

(01:05:53):
but it's unveiled. A new sister hadid sister job put
it in the intelligen Is brief, Right, Yeah, exactly, that's
I think that's the only thing. A third just dropped
breaking you hit the tower. And finally, Chris Wade tweeted,
I love Del Taco, but their hot sauce color coordination

(01:06:14):
is completely whack. And they have three hot sauce levels original, medium, hot.
Uh the coloring, So I'll tell you this one is orange,
one is black, one is red. Which would you think
goes with which in ascending order of hotness from the
least hot to hottest red, black, orange, that's what you

(01:06:35):
would think is the correct? That isn't that what is correct?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
That is what's correct. That's what tacoco man. I'm sorry,
I just answered that reflectively. Yeah, orange is the hottest.
Orange should not be I feel like I know black right.
This is where your Tago bell mind is coming in, right,
because the black one equals death. And even then it's

(01:07:00):
not that hot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
You got to free your taco belt mind, man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Jack, you gotta do some psychical original Red then black
as medium, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Then hot as orange is so like, I don't even
they're evoking that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Well, I have a my conspiracy pitch on this is
as someone who's partially color blind, red green, color blind.
What if the person in charge of coloring the sauces,
you know, was like me, and they were like, you know,
let's put the one in the middle. That's definitely. That's
easy to tell you right now. We know just like

(01:07:37):
you know traffic lights, m that's right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Is that how traffic lights are? Anyways, I'm not in
charge of the lights. I can't believe they did you
red green, color blind people like that. Fuck up, we're
just winging it, man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
It looked right to me. What kind of a fucked
up god would do that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
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O Brian. You can find me on Blue Sky at
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we think you might enjoy. Mild is there, enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Your confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yellow they gotta look like not even talking about his own,
He's just noting that yellow diamonds in general look like
just an observation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Look, the Clips is coming back once again. I loved
Lord Willen when that album came out. I was a
big Neptunes fan. So to have Pharrell producing this album
a bit of uh yeah throwback regression for me musically.
So yeah, this is Clips with ace trumpets produced by Pharrell.
Yellow diamonds look like peepe. All right, we will link

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