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Hi.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after day.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Our consciousness
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survives physical death and we'll talk more about that today
with doctor Bob Davis, a former professor neurosensory research, scientist,
film producer, and author. We'll talk about vertical evidence, terminal lucidity,
deathbed visions, a shared death Experience. He has published four
books and is the creator of the new documentary film
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called The Consciousness Connection. Here's doctor Bob Davis Well Sande.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's an absolute pleasure to be with you. I'm truly
a big fan of you. Your book is fantastic and
I love your show. As you mentioned, I was an
edition for three decades at the State University of New York.
I always had an open mind. I always followed the ufology.
I saw two range jobs in the night sky, which
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led me to write my book to UFO Phenomenon. But
two years later I had a shared death experience which
would also call it an empathic death experience that led
me to write the book Life After Death and Analysis
of the Evidence. Two years after that, I had a
Kundalini awakening which led me to write this book, Unseen
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Forces the integration of science reality knew and I got
a phone call from a producer at Dreamtime Entertainment down
here in Fort Myers, Florida, and he met with me
for lunch and he said, let's turn this into a documentary,
which we did and it's now streaming as you mentioned
on consciousness dot Media. You can try their seven Day
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free trial and watch the film there. But during that
two years that we were producing the film, interviewing many experts.
It's in the area of neo death experiences like Bruce Grayson,
Jeff Flong, Eben Alexander. I wrote the less book. What
you mentioned, This five hundred page book, The Consciousness Connection,
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which basically takes us on a ride to the documentary.
It's a detailed discussion of things that relate to consciousness,
near death experiences, mediumship, esp consciousness, the brain, all things
paranormal and everything in between. So now I need a break.
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I'm burned out and talking to you is making me
feel a lot better.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh that makes me happy.
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I don't have much of life.
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So I just spent hours every day over a two
year period writing and it was cathotic. I was in pain,
I'll be honest with you, and it took my mind
off the pains. Had surgery, sent amount of pain and
everything is fine. But the book was a blessing in
many ways.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And what a gift it is to others and the
film as well. So, Bob, would you like to share
some of the things that you're most passionate about as
far as reasons to believe in the afterlife.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
The thing that moves me the most is critical perceptions
during a near death as well as other body experience,
and these vertical perceptions, or call them verifiable perceptions. These
are cases that involve individuals having a near death experience
will call them NDEs, of course, in which they encounter
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deceased individuals that they were not aware who had passed away.
These are jewels of evidence that increased the validity of
NDE reports and are significant in research in near death
experiences as objective evidence that goes beyond subjective accounts because
all we hear are anecdotal evidence and a lot of
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skeptics don't buy them. But individuals to report these vertical
perceptions provide accurate and very specific details about physical surroundings,
the conversations events that take place while they are unconscious
or so called clinically dead flat EEG and a flat
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EKG for a period of time before their revived, and
that confirmation is crucial in distinguishing a vertical perception from
mere hallucinations or just a simple byproduct of the brain.
When we were doing our interviews for our film The
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Consciousness Connection, we attended the International Association of Neo Depth
Studies in Washington, d C. Where an array of elite
researchers were there, and I talked with Bruce Grayson, by
the leading NDE researcher, a psychiatrist, who told me a story.
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And he was saying that when he was an intern,
while he was eating spaghetti sauce, he accidentally spilled the
sauce on his tie. He suddenly got a call on
his page or an emergency, and he wiped the sauce
off the tie as much as he can, but he
couldn't get rid of it completely. He went down to
see the patient who was completely unconscious, actually close to death.
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He then left her, walked several rooms down the hall
and spoke to the patient's friend to get more information
about the patient. The next day, he sees that patient
and she's wide awake and he's talking to her and
he's evaluating her from a psychiatric standpoint, and she says
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to him, I remember you you visited me last night.
And he says, that's not possible. You were completely unconscious,
you were comatose. I know what you said to my friend,
and she relayed exactly their conversation. Then she said, and
you had that red stain on your tie, didn't you.
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From that moment, don he knew that there was something
quite special about near death experiences. That started him on
the road to researching near death experiences after hearing that
validation from someone who's in a coma yet reporting accurate
information when it's deemed impossible. Another story, he told me
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he had a patient. His name was Jack, I believe,
and he was admitted the hospital with respiratory distress, had
severe pneumonia, and while he was in poor condition, his
nurse Anita said to Jack, listen, Jack, I have to
go away for the weekend. I can't take care of you,
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but I'm going to have another nurse who's option. She's
going to be with you and watch you closely. During
that time, while Anita was gone, he had a near
death experience, found himself in a beautiful pastoral scene and there,
to his surprise, was his nurse, Anita, and she came
walking towards him, and he did a double take and said, Anita,
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what are you doing here? And she said, Jack, you
need to go back. I want you to go and
find my parents, tell them I love them very much
and that I'm sorry.
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I wrecked the Red MGB.
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Now, this Red MGB was a fancy car, and this
was back in the seventies in South Africa where there
weren't many Red MGBs around. When Jack woke up in
the hospital, he told the first nurse that he saw
about the experience that he interacted with Anita and what
Anita told him. That nurse, upon hearing that story, began
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crying and ran out of the room. Jack was then
told that Anita took that weekend off to celebrate her
twenty first birthday and her parents surprised her with a
gift of a red MGB car. She got so excited
that she jumped in the car, took it for a
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test spin, unfortunately, crashed it into a tree or telephone pole,
and died immediately. Now, there is no way that Jack
could have known how she had died, or that she
even did die, yet he relayed that story to the nurse.
Now that more than convinced Bruce Grayson that vertical perceptions
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are remarkably real and provide one hundred percent certainty that
near death experiences represent a piercing of the veil.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So to speak, of an afterl life.
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Or at least an out of body experience where you
are still experiencing reality despite your body's sensory systems being
completely shut down. And there are many instances of these
kinds of ridical perceptions, these jewels of evidence that in
my mind, that are the most convincing aspects of near
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experiences moving to me that this is not a phenomenon,
but it is real, and the consistency of the reports
is remarkable. Eben Alexander, he tells a story about when
he had his ND and he's giving it practically a
zero percent chance of living because of his bacterial meningitis.
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He said, during his end he was flying on the
wings of a butterfly with a woman. I think you
know the story, Sandra. After his ND, he received a photograph,
a picture of a woman who who was his deceased sister.
He didn't know he had a sister before he was born,
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and that picture of that woman was the exact person
who accompanied him flying on the butterfly wings. So here
again that more than proof to him that vertical perception
validated his experience. This is the most convincing evidence that
nd are indeed real. There's a study done with I
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believe ten to twelve people who were blind from birth.
Their experiences during their NDEs are obviously quite unique because
they don't have any sense of vision. But Jeff Long
during my interview with him, Jeff Long is the founder
of the Neo Death Experience or Research Foundation rf dot
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org is a website people should go to to read
stories about NDEs and vertical receptions and all that. It's
a remarkable collection of thousands of nd anecdotal evidence that
would be a perfect master's thesis or dissertation for anybody
wanting to study it. But I said to him, if
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there's one incident ND that is that made you a
believer that this experience is real, what would it be?
And he says, if I had to pick an nd experience,
it would have to be about a woman named Vicki
who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision
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to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time
in her life.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
She saw herself.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
She was having an out of body experience during her
near death experience. I forgot what led to her accident
and her INDE, but her consciousness was above her.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're back with scientists doctor Bob Davis with near
death Experiences of the blind.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Jeff Long during my to view with him, Jeff Long
as the founder of the Near Death Experience or Research Foundation.
I said to him that there's one incident ND that
is that made you a believer that this experience is real?
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What would it be?
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And he says, if I had to pick an ND experience,
it would have to be about a woman named Vicki
who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision
to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time
in her life she saw herself. She was having an
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out of body experience during her near death experience. I
forgot what led to her accident and her inde, but
her consciousness was above her and her initial emotion, not surprisingly,
was fear. Vision was completely unknown, unfamiliar to her. She'd
know what she was looking at. And she says to
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Jeff Long, during my near death experience, I was able
to see in front of me, am I, right on
my left, and behind me. I had three sixty degree vision,
which means, you know, being simultaneously aware of everything that's
going on all around you. And Jeff Long had to
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explain to her, well, those people who are not blind
have eye sockets and are able to only see in
front and to the left and right, not behind but
she left and left, and Jeff found out to be
humorous because she couldn't understand how we have this high
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shaped visual field because of the location of our eye
sockets and our skull. And there are other cases too
of individuals who are blind Elizabeth Kobler Ross writes about this,
who have similar experienceerienances where they, because of their NDE,
are able to have visual perception just during that period
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of time. Now, to Jeff that was more than convincing
that blind people who are experiencing SITE despite having detached
retinas makes completely no sense at all. And him being
a radiation oncologist, he's well aware of anatomy and physiology,
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and that's what motivated him to co found the near
death Experience of Research Foundation after hearing experiences like this.
There's terminal lucidity. It is a real phenomenon. It's well
regarded and acknowledged among the medical community. Could be hours, days,
or even weeks before they pass, suddenly regain full consciousness,
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even after years of having severe Alzheimer or a stroke
or something that is severely impairing their capability of functioning,
where they can't interact with people for a long period
of time, but just prior to death, they regain full
consciousness and act as if everything is normal. They're lucid,
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they'll sing, they'll engage in conversation, and then, despite their
acting normal, to the astonishment of the family, they'll soon
thereafter pass away. Terminal lucidity is often an indication that
the person is going to die very soon, but we
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can't explain why that happens. It's maybe the last hurrah
of the brain, but you really can't explain it. Neuroscientists
can't explain terminal lucidity, at least not yet. But it
gives the family the last moment of opportunity to interact
with their loved one in a way in which they
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wish for. Despite the person soon dying thereafter, they had
the person as they were before they had cognitive deficits
or stroke, and it is a great relief and benefit
to those loved ones.
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It's miraculous and give so much hope. And people experience
similar things often before they pass. They call it rallying.
Hear these stories and I'm sure your investigations have taken
you to deathbed visitations and visitors, and often they rally
and they're bright and alert, and they're talking to their
deceased mom or dad or someone they love. Very often
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the loved ones say we're going to go on a trip,
get ready, and they look as clear as you and
I look yes.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Deathbed visions. This has studied done of hospice workers. If
my memory show right, eighty to ninety percent of hospice
workers said that it is most unusual for a person
who is in the process of dying is most unusual
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to not have a deathbed vision. It is common sometimes
they even see a deceased member of the family sitting
on the bed as if to give comfort to the
person who is in the process of dying, assisting them
in a sense, giving them comfort. And deathbed visions where
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people who are in the process of dying will point
to the corner of the ceiling and note a heavenly
realm deceased people and communicate with the people from the
other side. They act as if they are interacting with
a heavenly unearthly realm of existence, and to the members
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of the family who are irving this were plexed. Obviously,
they don't understand what's going on. They regard it as
an hallucination, but it is much more common than not,
and people should not be overly surprised if their loved
one who is in the process of dying reaches up
as if they're ready to go and say take me,
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I'm ready, or acknowledging the heavenly realm and the feeling
a sense of love and compassion from others who are
there to support them during their transition.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
We live in such an intelligent world universe whatever, Bob,
even just thinking if I cut my finger, the body
knows how to heal itself. Why wouldn't our birth, which
is a celebration, but that our passing the intelligence of
no one dies alone, that people come to greet us.
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It makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah, people do come to greet us, and it's not
an hallucination and certainly minimizes the pain and the suffering
emotionally that is of the person who is going through
that experience. And they can get hints of that days
weeks before they pass, where they will interact with the deceased,
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to dreams and otherwise it's just they're being prepared for
the transition, building up towards the very end. Now, this
doesn't happen all the time, but it happens often enough,
and studies to reveal a fairly high percentage of cases
where terminally ill people will have these deathbed visions of
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varying types.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Some veritical ones as well. There's numerous studies that I've read,
and even a gentleman that I talked to before his
dad passed, he could see into the afterlife. He was
naming people that were dead that he was never told
they were dead. They happened to die when he was
sick or in a coma, and they didn't want to
tell him about it. He's seeing them and talking to them.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Well, Sandraw, that's the hallmark of a vertical perception, that
independent corroboration of information that they are expressing, and it
often comes down to just that they interact with deceased
people that yes, they did not know they had died.
And when they mentioned that they had interacted with Jim
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on the other side, they'll say, how did you know.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Jim had died?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Say, I didn't know Jim died, but interacted with him.
This is too not uncommon. So we have these vertical
perceptions that come in many different forms, and it gives
me a great deal of hope. Although he can't be
one hundred percent convinced. At least, my materialist mindset still
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leaves me that one percent of doubt about the possibility
over after life. But it's always been fifty fifty.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
In my mind.
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But after I had a shared death experience and my
Kundalini awakening, I then went from fifty to fifty to
ninety nine percent convinced. I had a shared death experience.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
One morning, I awoke.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
With a lucid dream that was more horrific than I've
ever experienced in my entire life. I was dying, I
couldn't breathe. I felt like I was suffocating and truly
upon death's store, and it was so vivid and real.
I'd never had such a hyper realistic experience like that,
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and it moved me considerably. But during that experience, Sandra,
I had a knowingness that my colleague who worked with
me in my laboratory, had passed away. It was just
a knowingness, a strong feeling. I didn't think much of that.
I was just kind of overwhelmed by the experience alone.
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As I was driving to work, thinking about what happened
to me? Did I eat something bad or good? Maybe
I don't know, but I couldn't explain it. When I
put the key in the door of my lab, turned
the knob and opened it up, I saw the faces
of my colleagues, and I knew right away that the
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information I received during my lucid dream was in fact real.
My dear friend and colleague and did pass away that
morning at that time, and I confirmed the time of
her passing with her son at her funeral, and it
was essentially the same time that I had that shared
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death experience. I guess you can call it empathic, because
we were very very close as professional colleagues but also
as friends, and we would often talk about spirituality, near
death experiences, things that are more or less unconventional, non traditional.
But she was a very spiritual person, and I knew
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she was giving me that information. I knew it. I
knew it, and that's why I wrote that book, Lafe
After Death and Analysis of the Evidence, and I can't
forget it to this day. And then I had two
years after that, I had a Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Getting off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but
not so much.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I'm not going to go into great detail about a
Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that people
experience and it can come on for a variety of reasons.
This woman, through intention alone, somehow was sending me energy.
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Many more great stories to come, but we have to
take a break.
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Com, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm samda
Champlain and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, producer of
the film The Consciousness Connection. Last he was telling us
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about a dear friend and colleague who had passed and
he had dreamed about her and the shared death experience
the same time she passed. Here's his next story about
a Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Two years after that, I had a Coondolini awakening. Getting
off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but not
so much. I'm not gonna in the great detail about
a Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that
people experience, and it can come on for a variety
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of reasons. This woman, through intention alone, somehow, was sending
me energy that was causing my body to vibrate uncontrollably.
I literally looked like what was her name, Reagan in
the movie The Exorcist writhing. My head would turn, however,
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as extreme as possible in this direction. My facial muscles
were contorting, my breathing was irregular. If you were watching me, Sandra,
you would think I was crying, dying in great distress.
But in my mind, I was experiencing extreme bliss. So
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there was this duality of mind body. I was convinced
at that time that it was happening that I'm not
my body. Kundalini awakenings can provide you with that kind
of insight where you're not in control of your body,
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but your mind, however, is elsewhere, and that's where I was.
I was watching my body from a distance, and I
could rationalize what was going on. But I was completely
bewildered while my body was behaving that way, and I
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couldn't control it. But I kept on saying to the
woman who was inducing this in me, I said, give
me more, give me more, because I felt so good.
It was an energetic bliss. I encourage people to read
about Kundalini awakening. Many people had never heard of kumdulini,
but it is real. It is real, and in a
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way it is related to the near death experience because
we see the distinction between consciousness and the body, and
I got a clear sense of it in my shared
death experience, and it was reinforced in my Kundalini awakening.
And that's why I'm ninety nine maybe ninety nine point
five percent certain that reality is far more complex than
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we can ever imagine. You know, we get caught up
so much in day to day routine aspects of life
that we don't consider these possibilities of an afterlife. That
there's a lot more that exists than what we deal
with on a daily basis. That we have to, but
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we can't lose sight of the fact that those loved
ones who are deceased are still around. They are aware,
they are aware of you. They often interact with people
with their loved ones. Not always, but there's people who
are called encounter prone personalities or paranormal prone personalities. There
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are people who have antennas for the paranormal, and for
some reason, there's people who see UFOs, They have NDEs,
they verridical receptions, they have all of these different manifestations
of what we call anomaly gaps, so to speak, or
paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And I don't like that term.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
We shouldn't call it paranormal. But the point is I
have great confidence that my deceased loved ones are still there,
and I will talk to them and I will try
to listen to what they're saying, if they are saying anything.
I haven't been convinced that I've received any messages from
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my deceased parents that I know many people who have,
and it's more real than a lucid dream. It's as
real as if they're talking to a family member. That's
how convincing it is. So I have the utmost respect
for people who have these experiences, and we need to
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learn from them and come to the realization that even
though we have lost loved ones, we all have and
we will all perish, at least our body will. It's
not the end. It's not the end, Nope.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Just beginning. Somebody had a quote that our life is
just a thread in the fabric of our soul. This
is just a small little part of a much bigger picture.
I don't even know when we migrate to the other
side if we're going to get the full picture of
what's all possible. Bob, I don't think as human beings
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were meant to have that one hundred percent knowing even me,
it's been well over twenty years that I've witnessed the
miraculous and explored and had my own psychic and medium
experiences these holy cow amazing things. But I wake up
in the morning with that doubting mind. So I don't
know if this is the truth or not. But I
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like to say that our life on earth is an
education for the soul, and that we're here to learn
and love and forgive and experience, and we got other
people involved, and where we go to next is all
perfect all of the time. And when we have the
opposites here, this is when we can really learn and
we can make a difference for other people. So I
don't think we're meant to know that we're playing a game.
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A very difficult and pingoful want to.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Tell, very well said, and you're exactly right, And that's
the ego. That's the left hemisphere of the brain, that's
the part of the brain that doesn't give in. It
reminds me of the book Stroke of Insight, written by
a neuro anatomis who had a stroke. Hemisphere was shut
down and she was just using her right hemisphere and
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she felt like moving from a solid to a fluid
type of experience, feeling free, feeling at one with the universe,
feeling love, feeling empathy, compassion, becoming more humane.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
And she says she.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Wishes everyone could experience just the right hemisphere. What that
is all about? And she said, if everybody just had
a right hemisphere instead of the egoic, logical left hemisphere
that overanalyzes everything, that we would have peace on earth
and goodwill towards humanity, where health hostage truly centered to
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our brain, and it can be very misleading for us.
And unfortunately it's hard to sometimes separate logic from illogic.
And we like to tend to believe everything we read
and hear, and we have to be very discriminating consumers.
(36:06):
Even when we read about near death experiences and life
after death. Not every book out there in the literature
is going to give you accurate information. I would encourage
people who want to learn more about near death experiences
to read books by people like Raymond Moody and Jeff
(36:26):
Long and Bruce Grayson and your book. I like to
think maybe my books can also serve in that vein.
We all have to be very selective and discriminating as
consumers every day of our lives in a sense, because
it's very easy to make these errors of inductive reasoning
and come to a wrong decision or conclusion about something.
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But when it comes to NDEs, I'm not making a
wrong decision by stating that NDEs are a real experience
and it's a valid one, just like my Kundulini awakening,
and just like my shared death experience, they are valid
and highly convincing. There's many skeptics out there, yet even
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that most staunch skeptics will still say prayers over meals,
prayers when they're ill, which seems a little contradictory because
they're praying to a god. Yet they're staunch materialists, strict materialists,
yet they believe in something that you know, I guess
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is faith based. Basically, we have no proof of God. However,
when people have near death experiences, they often bring that
point up that they do experience the presence of a
supreme being in addition to deceased loved ones, including pets,
which are joyous reunions obviously, but they also have a
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sense of the presence of God and they feel that
the magnificent love to the point where they don't want
to return home. They consider that home not here unless
they're told that they have to come back, usually to
take care of a child or for some other important reason,
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so they reluctantly will return.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And they say, this life seems like it was just
a dream and that's the reality.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yes, it's like going home. I guess I get a
little bit of a sense of that. When I had
my Kundalini awakening. It felt right. It felt like this
is the way people should feel, this kind of bliss.
And I can't come up with a better term for
that then bliss. I've heard it from others, so I
steal it and you use it myself. But it was
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a deep sense of love, of happiness, and I knew
I wasn't my body, and I knew that it reminded
me of my shared death experience, and it validated it.
It went hand in hand in a sense, with it.
And why I started having these kinds of experiences after
(39:12):
I retired, I don't know. But I never would have
written these books, done this film. I wouldn't be here
speaking to you if I didn't have these experiences. And
that's true for many of your guests. They are experiencers
and they feel a tremendous need to express it. You
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go down that so called I hate to use the term,
but I'm going to use the term rabbit hole, but
it does bring you down a different path in life.
People make career changes on the basis of a near
death experience. They'll give up their nine to five job
to serve humanity more come to the realization that life
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is not all about power, fame, and wealth, et cetera.
But it's about helping others. It's about compassion, empathy, sympathy,
caring for each other.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
And that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
To people who have near death experiences. They are behaviorally
transformed in such unique ways that they become I guess
you could say, more humane relative to where they were
prior to their NDD.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, neurosensory research scientist,
film producer, author of several books including Life After Death
and Analysis of the Evidence and Consciousness Connection, Extraordinary Human
Experiences and the Nature of Reality, which is now a
(42:20):
documentary film which can be viewed on Guya dot com.
Guya is a fantastic network and you can even see
my episodes with the wonderful George Nori on his show
Beyond Belief. There you can visit Bob at Bob davisspeaks
dot com for more information. Also, let's continue with some
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closing words from doctor Bob Davis.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
People who have near death experiences, they are behaviorally transformed
in such unique ways that they become I guess you
could say, more humane relative to where they were prior
to their nd And of course they don't fear death anymore.
There's studies that have been done that show was one
(43:06):
study that said what percent fear death, Something like eighty
percent of the people feared death before they had their ND.
After their nd that eighty percent became zero. Another study
showed the same thing, zero decent doubt. They have no
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doubt that there's an afterlife after their NDE. They completely
lose their fear of death, even children. However, pmh Atwater
we interviewed her children who have near death experiences, talked
about the stream, going back to the stream. They don't
have the right language terms to use, but the stream
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they mean is consciousness. They can't get along with their parents,
They don't see their says their real parents. They feel
that they still belong in another reality. So childhood and
dees should be another book written because it sets them
(44:13):
up for a unique life.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Thereafter, I met a man on an airplane. He was
sitting next to me, and we started talking about all
kinds of.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Things, and then what do you do?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
And I told him about my book, and he told
me a story, a guilt that he had that he
wasn't able to let go of. And he said that
his little boy was three or four years old. His
other son was I don't remember the ages, but one
boy was in the toilet at a campground and this
little boy ran down to the water and he tried
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to swim, and it only took one second before the
father realized that he wasn't there, and of course he
had to be retrieved. He filled his lungs with water
and the boy survived. But when he woke up in
the hospital, the boy was telling the dad he said,
I was okay, Daddy. He says, I was with the
big face in the sky and the big face in
(45:08):
the sun, the big face in the sun, uh huh.
And he told me that I would be coming back
and all that. So I'm listening to this like, oh
my goodness, and so the father had this guilt that
this had happened. Now, the son was about sixteen years
old when we were on the flight, and I said,
what kind of a young man did he turn into?
He makes his whole life about making a difference and volunteering.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
So, you know, we had a great conversation that ended
up transforming his view of what had happened, and we
talked about near death experiences. You really can change lives
and give people life and direction, and what's better than
making a difference for others and dialing down that ego.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
They're more humane and they want to serve humanity in
ways that are beneficial not only to themselves, but more
importantly to others, because they realize that that is what's
most critical here on earth, helping one another, you know.
Boost Bason during our interview, he said that the near
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death experience changes people overnight, transformatively overnight. And he says,
us psychiatrist's positions, we can spend months, years treating these
individuals and we can't achieve what a near death experience
(46:33):
achieves almost automatically in terms of mental health and in
terms of their physical condition, because they benefit so greatly
from their near death experience. And look, two hundred thousand
people alone in the United States have a near death experience.
I think worldwide, we're talking about three hundred and twenty
(46:56):
million people worldwide have had a near death experience. Now,
two hundred thousand people in the United States alone per
year have a near death experience, so this is fairly common,
as well as out of body experiences too. And that's
the first symptom of a near death experience and out
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of body experience before they start entering the tunnel and
experiencing the love and beauty of the other side, an
unearthly realm which may consist of buildings and plants and animals,
but it's still different. It's similar and different, and they're
interacting with their loved ones, deceased pets, and why would
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they want to come back when they feel such intense love.
I remember talking to a person who had a near
death experience and she said to me, Bob, the love
I felt during my near death experience, it was like
looking in the eyes of your first born child magnified
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ten million times. That's the love that I felt when
I had my ND Now that's not a brain event.
The brain doesn't do that. We don't experience it during life,
Why should we experience it during an ND unless there
is something that is causing that sense of love and compassion.
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And that's what I can't understand, the distinction between the
symptoms of an ND versus a non end and how
dramatically it changes people overnight in such unique and profound
ways that it leads to career changes at look. It
also can create problems at home too, because the person
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has often changed so dramatically behaviorally in terms of their
belief systems, etc. Based on their ND. Their behaving different.
They're reading different things now, they're talking about different things
that they ever did before. They're down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
That's right, and people say you aren't the person I'm married.
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Yeah, become truth seekers, but it often creates problems to
the point where one study I read said that seventy
percent of people who have an ND wind up having
a divorce within seven years, which is higher than the
national average of about fifty percent, but nevertheless it's statistically significant.
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So there are tremendous positives to the ND proving the afterlife,
but there are also some negative aspects to it as well.
What can be negative in some certain minority cases.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I know we can grieve for that experience, and I
know there's been people that they'd rather be over there
than here, and it's hard to readjust to life. I
wanted to just confirm to watch your film, you can
go to Consciousness dot media. Correct, that'll lead us to
Gaya for seven days. And then what can we find
(50:09):
on your website Bob davisspeaks dot com.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
Well, you could read the articles that I've written. You
could find the information about the books as well, and
I've written numerous articles on neo death experiences, Kundlin, the Awakenings,
even UFOs, which is another interest of mine. So Bob
Davis Speaks dot com, there's links that will bring them
(50:33):
right to the books, right to the film and write
to the articles where they can learn more about it.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Fantastic. I do say you're like the Energizer Bunny. What's
your next project? Do you have one? Are you going
to take a little break?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
A little break?
Speaker 5 (50:47):
But I'm starting to work on our next documentary. It's
a docuseries. The first one was kind of like The Foundations,
where we cover a variety of topics. Now we're going
to focus in on the neodath expperance and out of
body experience, where we interviewed the people I mentioned, like
Jeff Long, Bruce Grayson, I've been Alexander and pmht what
(51:10):
another ex person in the field of NDE research, and
we're going to condense that into an hour long feature documentary.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Thank you for all you do. Any closing words for
our listener before we say goodbye.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
I've become so discouraged with the quality of podcasts interviews
that are out there. There are few and far between
in terms of good quality ones, and I congratulate them.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
For being here.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
This is one of the best shows, certainly on the
topic of NDEs, the best show on NDEs that I
know of.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
And you do just a.
Speaker 5 (51:49):
Superb job and know that the near death experience is real.
Note that there is an afterlife, or at least if
you're not one hundred percent certain, be nine to nine
percent certain. But read and be an educated consumer about
this phenomenon, which is valid, and you should discuss it
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with other people who've had NDEs. A lot of people
don't want to talk about it, but there are many
people who have it, and I encourage you to find
individuals who have experienced it to learn more about it.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
You're the best. Thank you very much for sharing all
of that and also sharing that about the show and
those of you who have had near death experiences or
want to find out more. Also our friends at IMS
dot org. That's the International Association for Near Death Studies.
They have chapters all around the world and of course
now zoom groups all over so you can be involved.
(52:47):
I want to remind everyone that you can visit Bob
davisspeaks dot com find out so much about what he's
up to and into go to Consciousness dot media to
watch that film. Bob, Thank you so much for being
our guests today.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Miss Sandra has been an absolute pleasure to be with
you again. I hope you could do this more often.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
I have a sneaky suspicion, Bob, we'll be doing it
after the next film comes out. Friends, what an interview.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after day.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Our consciousness
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survives physical death and we'll talk more about that today
with doctor Bob Davis, a former professor neurosensory research, scientist,
film producer, and author. We'll talk about vertical evidence, terminal lucidity,
deathbed visions, a shared death Experience. He has published four
books and is the creator of the new documentary film
(01:37):
called The Consciousness Connection. Here's doctor Bob Davis Well Sande.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's an absolute pleasure to be with you. I'm truly
a big fan of you. Your book is fantastic and
I love your show. As you mentioned, I was an
edition for three decades at the State University of New York.
I always had an open mind. I always followed the ufology.
I saw two range jobs in the night sky, which
(02:04):
led me to write my book to UFO Phenomenon. But
two years later I had a shared death experience which
would also call it an empathic death experience that led
me to write the book Life After Death and Analysis
of the Evidence. Two years after that, I had a
Kundalini awakening which led me to write this book, Unseen
(02:27):
Forces the integration of science reality knew and I got
a phone call from a producer at Dreamtime Entertainment down
here in Fort Myers, Florida, and he met with me
for lunch and he said, let's turn this into a documentary,
which we did and it's now streaming as you mentioned
on consciousness dot Media. You can try their seven Day
(02:50):
free trial and watch the film there. But during that
two years that we were producing the film, interviewing many experts.
It's in the area of neo death experiences like Bruce Grayson,
Jeff Flong, Eben Alexander. I wrote the less book. What
you mentioned, This five hundred page book, The Consciousness Connection,
(03:12):
which basically takes us on a ride to the documentary.
It's a detailed discussion of things that relate to consciousness,
near death experiences, mediumship, esp consciousness, the brain, all things
paranormal and everything in between. So now I need a break.
(03:33):
I'm burned out and talking to you is making me
feel a lot better.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh that makes me happy.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I don't have much of life.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
So I just spent hours every day over a two
year period writing and it was cathotic. I was in pain,
I'll be honest with you, and it took my mind
off the pains. Had surgery, sent amount of pain and
everything is fine. But the book was a blessing in
many ways.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And what a gift it is to others and the
film as well. So, Bob, would you like to share
some of the things that you're most passionate about as
far as reasons to believe in the afterlife.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
The thing that moves me the most is critical perceptions
during a near death as well as other body experience,
and these vertical perceptions, or call them verifiable perceptions. These
are cases that involve individuals having a near death experience
will call them NDEs, of course, in which they encounter
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deceased individuals that they were not aware who had passed away.
These are jewels of evidence that increased the validity of
NDE reports and are significant in research in near death
experiences as objective evidence that goes beyond subjective accounts because
all we hear are anecdotal evidence and a lot of
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skeptics don't buy them. But individuals to report these vertical
perceptions provide accurate and very specific details about physical surroundings,
the conversations events that take place while they are unconscious
or so called clinically dead flat EEG and a flat
(05:21):
EKG for a period of time before their revived, and
that confirmation is crucial in distinguishing a vertical perception from
mere hallucinations or just a simple byproduct of the brain.
When we were doing our interviews for our film The
(05:42):
Consciousness Connection, we attended the International Association of Neo Depth
Studies in Washington, d C. Where an array of elite
researchers were there, and I talked with Bruce Grayson, by
the leading NDE researcher, a psychiatrist, who told me a story.
(06:03):
And he was saying that when he was an intern,
while he was eating spaghetti sauce, he accidentally spilled the
sauce on his tie. He suddenly got a call on
his page or an emergency, and he wiped the sauce
off the tie as much as he can, but he
couldn't get rid of it completely. He went down to
see the patient who was completely unconscious, actually close to death.
(06:27):
He then left her, walked several rooms down the hall
and spoke to the patient's friend to get more information
about the patient. The next day, he sees that patient
and she's wide awake and he's talking to her and
he's evaluating her from a psychiatric standpoint, and she says
(06:49):
to him, I remember you you visited me last night.
And he says, that's not possible. You were completely unconscious,
you were comatose. I know what you said to my friend,
and she relayed exactly their conversation. Then she said, and
you had that red stain on your tie, didn't you.
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From that moment, don he knew that there was something
quite special about near death experiences. That started him on
the road to researching near death experiences after hearing that
validation from someone who's in a coma yet reporting accurate
information when it's deemed impossible. Another story, he told me
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he had a patient. His name was Jack, I believe,
and he was admitted the hospital with respiratory distress, had
severe pneumonia, and while he was in poor condition, his
nurse Anita said to Jack, listen, Jack, I have to
go away for the weekend. I can't take care of you,
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but I'm going to have another nurse who's option. She's
going to be with you and watch you closely. During
that time, while Anita was gone, he had a near
death experience, found himself in a beautiful pastoral scene and there,
to his surprise, was his nurse, Anita, and she came
walking towards him, and he did a double take and said, Anita,
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what are you doing here? And she said, Jack, you
need to go back. I want you to go and
find my parents, tell them I love them very much
and that I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I wrecked the Red MGB.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Now, this Red MGB was a fancy car, and this
was back in the seventies in South Africa where there
weren't many Red MGBs around. When Jack woke up in
the hospital, he told the first nurse that he saw
about the experience that he interacted with Anita and what
Anita told him. That nurse, upon hearing that story, began
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crying and ran out of the room. Jack was then
told that Anita took that weekend off to celebrate her
twenty first birthday and her parents surprised her with a
gift of a red MGB car. She got so excited
that she jumped in the car, took it for a
(09:21):
test spin, unfortunately, crashed it into a tree or telephone pole,
and died immediately. Now, there is no way that Jack
could have known how she had died, or that she
even did die, yet he relayed that story to the nurse.
Now that more than convinced Bruce Grayson that vertical perceptions
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are remarkably real and provide one hundred percent certainty that
near death experiences represent a piercing of the veil.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So to speak, of an afterl life.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Or at least an out of body experience where you
are still experiencing reality despite your body's sensory systems being
completely shut down. And there are many instances of these
kinds of ridical perceptions, these jewels of evidence that in
my mind, that are the most convincing aspects of near
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experiences moving to me that this is not a phenomenon,
but it is real, and the consistency of the reports
is remarkable. Eben Alexander, he tells a story about when
he had his ND and he's giving it practically a
zero percent chance of living because of his bacterial meningitis.
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He said, during his end he was flying on the
wings of a butterfly with a woman. I think you
know the story, Sandra. After his ND, he received a photograph,
a picture of a woman who who was his deceased sister.
He didn't know he had a sister before he was born,
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and that picture of that woman was the exact person
who accompanied him flying on the butterfly wings. So here
again that more than proof to him that vertical perception
validated his experience. This is the most convincing evidence that
nd are indeed real. There's a study done with I
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believe ten to twelve people who were blind from birth.
Their experiences during their NDEs are obviously quite unique because
they don't have any sense of vision. But Jeff Long
during my interview with him, Jeff Long is the founder
of the Neo Death Experience or Research Foundation rf dot
(11:54):
org is a website people should go to to read
stories about NDEs and vertical receptions and all that. It's
a remarkable collection of thousands of nd anecdotal evidence that
would be a perfect master's thesis or dissertation for anybody
wanting to study it. But I said to him, if
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there's one incident ND that is that made you a
believer that this experience is real, what would it be?
And he says, if I had to pick an nd experience,
it would have to be about a woman named Vicki
who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision
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to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time
in her life.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
She saw herself.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
She was having an out of body experience during her
near death experience. I forgot what led to her accident
and her INDE, but her consciousness was above her.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're back with scientists doctor Bob Davis with near
death Experiences of the blind.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Jeff Long during my to view with him, Jeff Long
as the founder of the Near Death Experience or Research Foundation.
I said to him that there's one incident ND that
is that made you a believer that this experience is real?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What would it be?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
And he says, if I had to pick an ND experience,
it would have to be about a woman named Vicki
who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision
to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time
in her life she saw herself. She was having an
(15:38):
out of body experience during her near death experience. I
forgot what led to her accident and her inde, but
her consciousness was above her and her initial emotion, not surprisingly,
was fear. Vision was completely unknown, unfamiliar to her. She'd
know what she was looking at. And she says to
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Jeff Long, during my near death experience, I was able
to see in front of me, am I, right on
my left, and behind me. I had three sixty degree vision,
which means, you know, being simultaneously aware of everything that's
going on all around you. And Jeff Long had to
(16:22):
explain to her, well, those people who are not blind
have eye sockets and are able to only see in
front and to the left and right, not behind but
she left and left, and Jeff found out to be
humorous because she couldn't understand how we have this high
(16:44):
shaped visual field because of the location of our eye
sockets and our skull. And there are other cases too
of individuals who are blind Elizabeth Kobler Ross writes about this,
who have similar experienceerienances where they, because of their NDE,
are able to have visual perception just during that period
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of time. Now, to Jeff that was more than convincing
that blind people who are experiencing SITE despite having detached
retinas makes completely no sense at all. And him being
a radiation oncologist, he's well aware of anatomy and physiology,
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and that's what motivated him to co found the near
death Experience of Research Foundation after hearing experiences like this.
There's terminal lucidity. It is a real phenomenon. It's well
regarded and acknowledged among the medical community. Could be hours, days,
or even weeks before they pass, suddenly regain full consciousness,
(17:57):
even after years of having severe Alzheimer or a stroke
or something that is severely impairing their capability of functioning,
where they can't interact with people for a long period
of time, but just prior to death, they regain full
consciousness and act as if everything is normal. They're lucid,
(18:21):
they'll sing, they'll engage in conversation, and then, despite their
acting normal, to the astonishment of the family, they'll soon
thereafter pass away. Terminal lucidity is often an indication that
the person is going to die very soon, but we
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can't explain why that happens. It's maybe the last hurrah
of the brain, but you really can't explain it. Neuroscientists
can't explain terminal lucidity, at least not yet. But it
gives the family the last moment of opportunity to interact
with their loved one in a way in which they
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wish for. Despite the person soon dying thereafter, they had
the person as they were before they had cognitive deficits
or stroke, and it is a great relief and benefit
to those loved ones.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's miraculous and give so much hope. And people experience
similar things often before they pass. They call it rallying.
Hear these stories and I'm sure your investigations have taken
you to deathbed visitations and visitors, and often they rally
and they're bright and alert, and they're talking to their
deceased mom or dad or someone they love. Very often
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the loved ones say we're going to go on a trip,
get ready, and they look as clear as you and
I look yes.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Deathbed visions. This has studied done of hospice workers. If
my memory show right, eighty to ninety percent of hospice
workers said that it is most unusual for a person
who is in the process of dying is most unusual
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to not have a deathbed vision. It is common sometimes
they even see a deceased member of the family sitting
on the bed as if to give comfort to the
person who is in the process of dying, assisting them
in a sense, giving them comfort. And deathbed visions where
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people who are in the process of dying will point
to the corner of the ceiling and note a heavenly
realm deceased people and communicate with the people from the
other side. They act as if they are interacting with
a heavenly unearthly realm of existence, and to the members
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of the family who are irving this were plexed. Obviously,
they don't understand what's going on. They regard it as
an hallucination, but it is much more common than not,
and people should not be overly surprised if their loved
one who is in the process of dying reaches up
as if they're ready to go and say take me,
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I'm ready, or acknowledging the heavenly realm and the feeling
a sense of love and compassion from others who are
there to support them during their transition.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
We live in such an intelligent world universe whatever, Bob,
even just thinking if I cut my finger, the body
knows how to heal itself. Why wouldn't our birth, which
is a celebration, but that our passing the intelligence of
no one dies alone, that people come to greet us.
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It makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah, people do come to greet us, and it's not
an hallucination and certainly minimizes the pain and the suffering
emotionally that is of the person who is going through
that experience. And they can get hints of that days
weeks before they pass, where they will interact with the deceased,
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to dreams and otherwise it's just they're being prepared for
the transition, building up towards the very end. Now, this
doesn't happen all the time, but it happens often enough,
and studies to reveal a fairly high percentage of cases
where terminally ill people will have these deathbed visions of
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varying types.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Some veritical ones as well. There's numerous studies that I've read,
and even a gentleman that I talked to before his
dad passed, he could see into the afterlife. He was
naming people that were dead that he was never told
they were dead. They happened to die when he was
sick or in a coma, and they didn't want to
tell him about it. He's seeing them and talking to them.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Well, Sandraw, that's the hallmark of a vertical perception, that
independent corroboration of information that they are expressing, and it
often comes down to just that they interact with deceased
people that yes, they did not know they had died.
And when they mentioned that they had interacted with Jim
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on the other side, they'll say, how did you know.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Jim had died?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Say, I didn't know Jim died, but interacted with him.
This is too not uncommon. So we have these vertical
perceptions that come in many different forms, and it gives
me a great deal of hope. Although he can't be
one hundred percent convinced. At least, my materialist mindset still
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leaves me that one percent of doubt about the possibility
over after life. But it's always been fifty fifty.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
In my mind.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
But after I had a shared death experience and my
Kundalini awakening, I then went from fifty to fifty to
ninety nine percent convinced. I had a shared death experience.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
One morning, I awoke.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
With a lucid dream that was more horrific than I've
ever experienced in my entire life. I was dying, I
couldn't breathe. I felt like I was suffocating and truly
upon death's store, and it was so vivid and real.
I'd never had such a hyper realistic experience like that,
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and it moved me considerably. But during that experience, Sandra,
I had a knowingness that my colleague who worked with
me in my laboratory, had passed away. It was just
a knowingness, a strong feeling. I didn't think much of that.
I was just kind of overwhelmed by the experience alone.
(25:01):
As I was driving to work, thinking about what happened
to me? Did I eat something bad or good? Maybe
I don't know, but I couldn't explain it. When I
put the key in the door of my lab, turned
the knob and opened it up, I saw the faces
of my colleagues, and I knew right away that the
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information I received during my lucid dream was in fact real.
My dear friend and colleague and did pass away that
morning at that time, and I confirmed the time of
her passing with her son at her funeral, and it
was essentially the same time that I had that shared
(25:44):
death experience. I guess you can call it empathic, because
we were very very close as professional colleagues but also
as friends, and we would often talk about spirituality, near
death experiences, things that are more or less unconventional, non traditional.
But she was a very spiritual person, and I knew
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she was giving me that information. I knew it. I
knew it, and that's why I wrote that book, Lafe
After Death and Analysis of the Evidence, and I can't
forget it to this day. And then I had two
years after that, I had a Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Getting off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but
not so much.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I'm not going to go into great detail about a
Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that people
experience and it can come on for a variety of reasons.
This woman, through intention alone, somehow was sending me energy.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Many more great stories to come, but we have to
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Speaker 2 (26:54):
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Com, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm samda
Champlain and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, producer of
the film The Consciousness Connection. Last he was telling us
(28:38):
about a dear friend and colleague who had passed and
he had dreamed about her and the shared death experience
the same time she passed. Here's his next story about
a Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Two years after that, I had a Coondolini awakening. Getting
off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but not
so much. I'm not gonna in the great detail about
a Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that
people experience, and it can come on for a variety
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of reasons. This woman, through intention alone, somehow, was sending
me energy that was causing my body to vibrate uncontrollably.
I literally looked like what was her name, Reagan in
the movie The Exorcist writhing. My head would turn, however,
(29:35):
as extreme as possible in this direction. My facial muscles
were contorting, my breathing was irregular. If you were watching me, Sandra,
you would think I was crying, dying in great distress.
But in my mind, I was experiencing extreme bliss. So
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there was this duality of mind body. I was convinced
at that time that it was happening that I'm not
my body. Kundalini awakenings can provide you with that kind
of insight where you're not in control of your body,
(30:21):
but your mind, however, is elsewhere, and that's where I was.
I was watching my body from a distance, and I
could rationalize what was going on. But I was completely
bewildered while my body was behaving that way, and I
(30:41):
couldn't control it. But I kept on saying to the
woman who was inducing this in me, I said, give
me more, give me more, because I felt so good.
It was an energetic bliss. I encourage people to read
about Kundalini awakening. Many people had never heard of kumdulini,
but it is real. It is real, and in a
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way it is related to the near death experience because
we see the distinction between consciousness and the body, and
I got a clear sense of it in my shared
death experience, and it was reinforced in my Kundalini awakening.
And that's why I'm ninety nine maybe ninety nine point
five percent certain that reality is far more complex than
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we can ever imagine. You know, we get caught up
so much in day to day routine aspects of life
that we don't consider these possibilities of an afterlife. That
there's a lot more that exists than what we deal
with on a daily basis. That we have to, but
(31:49):
we can't lose sight of the fact that those loved
ones who are deceased are still around. They are aware,
they are aware of you. They often interact with people
with their loved ones. Not always, but there's people who
are called encounter prone personalities or paranormal prone personalities. There
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are people who have antennas for the paranormal, and for
some reason, there's people who see UFOs, They have NDEs,
they verridical receptions, they have all of these different manifestations
of what we call anomaly gaps, so to speak, or
paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And I don't like that term.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
We shouldn't call it paranormal. But the point is I
have great confidence that my deceased loved ones are still there,
and I will talk to them and I will try
to listen to what they're saying, if they are saying anything.
I haven't been convinced that I've received any messages from
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my deceased parents that I know many people who have,
and it's more real than a lucid dream. It's as
real as if they're talking to a family member. That's
how convincing it is. So I have the utmost respect
for people who have these experiences, and we need to
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learn from them and come to the realization that even
though we have lost loved ones, we all have and
we will all perish, at least our body will. It's
not the end. It's not the end, Nope.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Just beginning. Somebody had a quote that our life is
just a thread in the fabric of our soul. This
is just a small little part of a much bigger picture.
I don't even know when we migrate to the other
side if we're going to get the full picture of
what's all possible. Bob, I don't think as human beings
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were meant to have that one hundred percent knowing even me,
it's been well over twenty years that I've witnessed the
miraculous and explored and had my own psychic and medium
experiences these holy cow amazing things. But I wake up
in the morning with that doubting mind. So I don't
know if this is the truth or not. But I
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like to say that our life on earth is an
education for the soul, and that we're here to learn
and love and forgive and experience, and we got other
people involved, and where we go to next is all
perfect all of the time. And when we have the
opposites here, this is when we can really learn and
we can make a difference for other people. So I
don't think we're meant to know that we're playing a game.
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A very difficult and pingoful want to.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Tell, very well said, and you're exactly right, And that's
the ego. That's the left hemisphere of the brain, that's
the part of the brain that doesn't give in. It
reminds me of the book Stroke of Insight, written by
a neuro anatomis who had a stroke. Hemisphere was shut
down and she was just using her right hemisphere and
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she felt like moving from a solid to a fluid
type of experience, feeling free, feeling at one with the universe,
feeling love, feeling empathy, compassion, becoming more humane.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
And she says she.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Wishes everyone could experience just the right hemisphere. What that
is all about? And she said, if everybody just had
a right hemisphere instead of the egoic, logical left hemisphere
that overanalyzes everything, that we would have peace on earth
and goodwill towards humanity, where health hostage truly centered to
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our brain, and it can be very misleading for us.
And unfortunately it's hard to sometimes separate logic from illogic.
And we like to tend to believe everything we read
and hear, and we have to be very discriminating consumers.
(36:06):
Even when we read about near death experiences and life
after death. Not every book out there in the literature
is going to give you accurate information. I would encourage
people who want to learn more about near death experiences
to read books by people like Raymond Moody and Jeff
(36:26):
Long and Bruce Grayson and your book. I like to
think maybe my books can also serve in that vein.
We all have to be very selective and discriminating as
consumers every day of our lives in a sense, because
it's very easy to make these errors of inductive reasoning
and come to a wrong decision or conclusion about something.
(36:49):
But when it comes to NDEs, I'm not making a
wrong decision by stating that NDEs are a real experience
and it's a valid one, just like my Kundulini awakening,
and just like my shared death experience, they are valid
and highly convincing. There's many skeptics out there, yet even
(37:13):
that most staunch skeptics will still say prayers over meals,
prayers when they're ill, which seems a little contradictory because
they're praying to a god. Yet they're staunch materialists, strict materialists,
yet they believe in something that you know, I guess
(37:35):
is faith based. Basically, we have no proof of God. However,
when people have near death experiences, they often bring that
point up that they do experience the presence of a
supreme being in addition to deceased loved ones, including pets,
which are joyous reunions obviously, but they also have a
(37:57):
sense of the presence of God and they feel that
the magnificent love to the point where they don't want
to return home. They consider that home not here unless
they're told that they have to come back, usually to
take care of a child or for some other important reason,
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so they reluctantly will return.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And they say, this life seems like it was just
a dream and that's the reality.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yes, it's like going home. I guess I get a
little bit of a sense of that. When I had
my Kundalini awakening. It felt right. It felt like this
is the way people should feel, this kind of bliss.
And I can't come up with a better term for
that then bliss. I've heard it from others, so I
steal it and you use it myself. But it was
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a deep sense of love, of happiness, and I knew
I wasn't my body, and I knew that it reminded
me of my shared death experience, and it validated it.
It went hand in hand in a sense, with it.
And why I started having these kinds of experiences after
(39:12):
I retired, I don't know. But I never would have
written these books, done this film. I wouldn't be here
speaking to you if I didn't have these experiences. And
that's true for many of your guests. They are experiencers
and they feel a tremendous need to express it. You
(39:34):
go down that so called I hate to use the term,
but I'm going to use the term rabbit hole, but
it does bring you down a different path in life.
People make career changes on the basis of a near
death experience. They'll give up their nine to five job
to serve humanity more come to the realization that life
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is not all about power, fame, and wealth, et cetera.
But it's about helping others. It's about compassion, empathy, sympathy,
caring for each other.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
And that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
To people who have near death experiences. They are behaviorally
transformed in such unique ways that they become I guess
you could say, more humane relative to where they were
prior to their NDD.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
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Speaker 3 (41:58):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, neurosensory research scientist,
film producer, author of several books including Life After Death
and Analysis of the Evidence and Consciousness Connection, Extraordinary Human
Experiences and the Nature of Reality, which is now a
(42:20):
documentary film which can be viewed on Guya dot com.
Guya is a fantastic network and you can even see
my episodes with the wonderful George Nori on his show
Beyond Belief. There you can visit Bob at Bob davisspeaks
dot com for more information. Also, let's continue with some
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closing words from doctor Bob Davis.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
People who have near death experiences, they are behaviorally transformed
in such unique ways that they become I guess you
could say, more humane relative to where they were prior
to their nd And of course they don't fear death anymore.
There's studies that have been done that show was one
(43:06):
study that said what percent fear death, Something like eighty
percent of the people feared death before they had their ND.
After their nd that eighty percent became zero. Another study
showed the same thing, zero decent doubt. They have no
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doubt that there's an afterlife after their NDE. They completely
lose their fear of death, even children. However, pmh Atwater
we interviewed her children who have near death experiences, talked
about the stream, going back to the stream. They don't
have the right language terms to use, but the stream
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they mean is consciousness. They can't get along with their parents,
They don't see their says their real parents. They feel
that they still belong in another reality. So childhood and
dees should be another book written because it sets them
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up for a unique life.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Thereafter, I met a man on an airplane. He was
sitting next to me, and we started talking about all
kinds of.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Things, and then what do you do?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
And I told him about my book, and he told
me a story, a guilt that he had that he
wasn't able to let go of. And he said that
his little boy was three or four years old. His
other son was I don't remember the ages, but one
boy was in the toilet at a campground and this
little boy ran down to the water and he tried
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to swim, and it only took one second before the
father realized that he wasn't there, and of course he
had to be retrieved. He filled his lungs with water
and the boy survived. But when he woke up in
the hospital, the boy was telling the dad he said,
I was okay, Daddy. He says, I was with the
big face in the sky and the big face in
(45:08):
the sun, the big face in the sun, uh huh.
And he told me that I would be coming back
and all that. So I'm listening to this like, oh
my goodness, and so the father had this guilt that
this had happened. Now, the son was about sixteen years
old when we were on the flight, and I said,
what kind of a young man did he turn into?
He makes his whole life about making a difference and volunteering.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
So, you know, we had a great conversation that ended
up transforming his view of what had happened, and we
talked about near death experiences. You really can change lives
and give people life and direction, and what's better than
making a difference for others and dialing down that ego.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
They're more humane and they want to serve humanity in
ways that are beneficial not only to themselves, but more
importantly to others, because they realize that that is what's
most critical here on earth, helping one another, you know.
Boost Bason during our interview, he said that the near
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death experience changes people overnight, transformatively overnight. And he says,
us psychiatrist's positions, we can spend months, years treating these
individuals and we can't achieve what a near death experience
(46:33):
achieves almost automatically in terms of mental health and in
terms of their physical condition, because they benefit so greatly
from their near death experience. And look, two hundred thousand
people alone in the United States have a near death experience.
I think worldwide, we're talking about three hundred and twenty
(46:56):
million people worldwide have had a near death experience. Now,
two hundred thousand people in the United States alone per
year have a near death experience, so this is fairly common,
as well as out of body experiences too. And that's
the first symptom of a near death experience and out
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of body experience before they start entering the tunnel and
experiencing the love and beauty of the other side, an
unearthly realm which may consist of buildings and plants and animals,
but it's still different. It's similar and different, and they're
interacting with their loved ones, deceased pets, and why would
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they want to come back when they feel such intense love.
I remember talking to a person who had a near
death experience and she said to me, Bob, the love
I felt during my near death experience, it was like
looking in the eyes of your first born child magnified
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ten million times. That's the love that I felt when
I had my ND Now that's not a brain event.
The brain doesn't do that. We don't experience it during life,
Why should we experience it during an ND unless there
is something that is causing that sense of love and compassion.
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And that's what I can't understand, the distinction between the
symptoms of an ND versus a non end and how
dramatically it changes people overnight in such unique and profound
ways that it leads to career changes at look. It
also can create problems at home too, because the person
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has often changed so dramatically behaviorally in terms of their
belief systems, etc. Based on their ND. Their behaving different.
They're reading different things now, they're talking about different things
that they ever did before. They're down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
That's right, and people say you aren't the person I'm married.
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Yeah, become truth seekers, but it often creates problems to
the point where one study I read said that seventy
percent of people who have an ND wind up having
a divorce within seven years, which is higher than the
national average of about fifty percent, but nevertheless it's statistically significant.
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So there are tremendous positives to the ND proving the afterlife,
but there are also some negative aspects to it as well.
What can be negative in some certain minority cases.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I know we can grieve for that experience, and I
know there's been people that they'd rather be over there
than here, and it's hard to readjust to life. I
wanted to just confirm to watch your film, you can
go to Consciousness dot media. Correct, that'll lead us to
Gaya for seven days. And then what can we find
(50:09):
on your website Bob davisspeaks dot com.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
Well, you could read the articles that I've written. You
could find the information about the books as well, and
I've written numerous articles on neo death experiences, Kundlin, the Awakenings,
even UFOs, which is another interest of mine. So Bob
Davis Speaks dot com, there's links that will bring them
(50:33):
right to the books, right to the film and write
to the articles where they can learn more about it.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Fantastic. I do say you're like the Energizer Bunny. What's
your next project? Do you have one? Are you going
to take a little break?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
A little break?
Speaker 5 (50:47):
But I'm starting to work on our next documentary. It's
a docuseries. The first one was kind of like The Foundations,
where we cover a variety of topics. Now we're going
to focus in on the neodath expperance and out of
body experience, where we interviewed the people I mentioned, like
Jeff Long, Bruce Grayson, I've been Alexander and pmht what
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another ex person in the field of NDE research, and
we're going to condense that into an hour long feature documentary.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Thank you for all you do. Any closing words for
our listener before we say goodbye.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
I've become so discouraged with the quality of podcasts interviews
that are out there. There are few and far between
in terms of good quality ones, and I congratulate them.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
For being here.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
This is one of the best shows, certainly on the
topic of NDEs, the best show on NDEs that I
know of.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
And you do just a.
Speaker 5 (51:49):
Superb job and know that the near death experience is real.
Note that there is an afterlife, or at least if
you're not one hundred percent certain, be nine to nine
percent certain. But read and be an educated consumer about
this phenomenon, which is valid, and you should discuss it
(52:11):
with other people who've had NDEs. A lot of people
don't want to talk about it, but there are many
people who have it, and I encourage you to find
individuals who have experienced it to learn more about it.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
You're the best. Thank you very much for sharing all
of that and also sharing that about the show and
those of you who have had near death experiences or
want to find out more. Also our friends at IMS
dot org. That's the International Association for Near Death Studies.
They have chapters all around the world and of course
now zoom groups all over so you can be involved.
(52:47):
I want to remind everyone that you can visit Bob
davisspeaks dot com find out so much about what he's
up to and into go to Consciousness dot media to
watch that film. Bob, Thank you so much for being
our guests today.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Miss Sandra has been an absolute pleasure to be with
you again. I hope you could do this more often.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
I have a sneaky suspicion, Bob, we'll be doing it
after the next film comes out. Friends, what an interview.
Follow Your passions make a difference and you never know
how many lives you can impact. Oh just a reminder,
come visit me at weedotdie dot com. Join me on
one of our free Sunday gatherings with medium demonstration included.
(53:32):
Come about fifteen minutes early sign in and I can
hear your voice and we can say hello to one another.
I'd really like that. Also, we Don't Die dot com
at the bottom of the page, if you enter your
name and your email address, I've got all kinds of
free goodies for you.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
I do, I do.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
I really want to thank you for being in this
inquiry looking for evidence of the afterlife. I aim to
deliver each time, but from the bottom of my heart,
I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a
m paranormal podcast network.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost
Ay and Paranormal podcast Network. Make sure and check out
all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going
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