April 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Enjoy this episode as Captain Ron speaks with legendary Experiencer and Communion Author Whitley Strieber about his telepathic interactions with the Visitors. Whitley also shares insights from his latest book, The Fourth Mind, which explores the Visitors’ extraordinary abilities!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
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explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of the
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we have the great pleasure of speaking with one of
the legends in ufology, the author of Communion himself, mister
Whitley streeber Will. He's actually written over forty fiction and
nonfiction books and he is still at it with a
brand new book out right now. Called the Fourth Mind.
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The Fourth Mind is the first book ever to explore
the anatomy, brains, genetics, beliefs, and capabilities of the as
Whitley calls them, the visitors. His website Unknown Country is
among the largest in the world dealing with paranormal phenomenon
and his podcast Dreamland has been produced weekly for over
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twenty years and remains one of the premier spots on
this topic. We're also going to be very honored to
once again have them back at Contact in the Desert,
and I'm thrilled to have them here with me today.
Thanks for taking the time. Welly, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
By doing great? And I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You know, I wanted to start off today and ask
you a bit about psionics and telepathy because I feel
like you sit right at the intersection of the telepathy
tapes and UFOs. I think the very first time I
remember reading about telepathic contact with beings was in Communion,
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and we often hear contact these saying how that they
feel that the beings communicated with them telepathically, Isn't that right?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
That's right. The telepathy is the way they communicate. It's
really their voice. They are not vocal. They do not
have a SIRNX, which is what a bird uses to
make notes or vocal cords like we used to make words.
Their method of communication is telepathic, and when you were
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with them you can do ti pelepathy too easily, and
if you with them enough, eventually you can do telepathy
fairly well yourself, just on your own. We are capable
of it, but because we use the voice, it's not
emphasized the telepathy tapes. What happened there were These were
people that doctor Diane Hennessy Powell discovered were communicating telepathically,
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largely because their parents and caregivers told her that this
was happening, and she's open minded enough to look into it.
These are, specifically, we're people who were unvoiced, who generally
were autistic and could not speak people. The parents would
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begin to hear them in their heads. And this happened
so often that, as I say, she began to test it.
And then a particularly special documentary filmmaker, Kai Dickens, who
is devoted to making documentary films that help people. I
mean in other words, that she's a helping personality, discovered
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this was going on and decided to make a documentary
film about it. Nothing. She did a lot of the work,
but she couldn't get the film funded because people are
so I mean, this is the Western this is Western civilization.
We don't believe in the soul. We don't believe in
anything we can't measure, even if we maybe later could
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measure it. Like you would have been burned at the
stake in Western civil or not burned at the stake
at this point. But in eighteen thirty, if you had
declared that it was possible to transmit voice over the
air between people, let alone pictures, you would have been
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laughed off the stage of science as being some kind
of a crank. But radio existed then, we just didn't
know how to use it. Telepathy exists now, we just
don't know how to use it. And because we can't
measure whatever it is that causes telepathy, we scoff at it.
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The scientific world scoffs at Diane, And they in fact
tried to get her take her license to practice away,
just the same thing they did with John Mack. And
then they tried to They forced her to take a
mental health exam before she could continue to practice again.
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Just the most absolutely outrageous, humiliating thing. You can imagine,
it's horrible and.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Don't you think Whitley that a lot of times throughout
history this has happened to scientists who come across something new.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Well, yeah, I mean, of course the classic cases are
Galileo and Donald Bruno. Bruno, probably one of the most
brilliant human beings who ever lived, ended up getting burned
at the stake, and Galileo came close. He ended up
in house arrest for the rest of his life because
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they were right. Being right hurts, people will beat you up.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know, you seem very excited about the work of
Diane and of course Ki Dickens who's documenting her work.
There seems to be other aspects within these non speakers
abilities that really relates to our areas of the phenomenon
in general, like crystal's vibration consciousness. Aren't these other things
kind of showing up in their work?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Some of them have a sensitivity that enables them to
perceive the reality of crystal vibration. I have crystals here.
I have one that it's a rose quartz crystal that
I dreamed about it one night and we were walking
down the street the next day and there it sat
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in the window of a shop and I thought I
was told that and then said, oh, look there's your crystal.
And I think I thought to myself, I'd better buy
that crystal. And I've had it ever since. That was
back in the in the long before the community experience,
back in the seventies. Oh, I've had it beside my
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bed ever since. It's been You know, I don't feel
anything direct from it, but I do greatly respect it.
I think it has something to do with my relationship
to the earth. Perhaps I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You know, there's so many fascinating aspects to doctor Powell's work,
Like I wonder if they are communicating mind to mind
by sending messages, or if there's somehow sharing consciousness and
that the one person's actually seen through the other person's eyes.
You know, we heard that that tale years ago someone
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a blind child was able to read an eye chart
through their mother's eyes. Which do you think it.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Is well both? For example, in communicating with the visitors,
I have a trigger word, which if I hear it
in my head repeated three times in my head, then
my mind becomes open to verbal telepathy. If I don't,
if you say it, it doesn't make any difference. I've
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tried that, believe me. But if I hear it is,
if it's being spoken in my head, then I can
verbally be verbally telepathic with whoever is being telepathic with me.
And that doesn't just mean the Grays. There are people
who can do this too, and the ones that know
the trigger word can communicate with me. But I'm locked away.
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I can't. I can't, like do telepathy, do verbal telepathy
with you right now? I wish I could. I know
some people who can and are very good at it.
In fact, the other kind of telepathy is much richer,
and that I'm pretty much in that. That's when in
the telepathy tapes the kids talk about going to the hill,
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which is a figurative place where they are all aware
on the same frequency. You get used to working in
these frequencies. It's not hard. It's something that everyone can do.
In fact, I talk about it a lot in the
Fourth Mind. We don't do it because we're told it's impossible,
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and so that's why we don't do it. We're told
we're weak, small, ignorant, and foolish and actually also dangerous.
All of those things are to a degree true, but
we are also wonderful. We are also capable, and we
have a rich relationship with other levels of real and
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we have many frequencies we can address in the human being.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Well, real quick, I wanted to ask you. We're almost
at the break here, but I wanted to see when
you first experienced the telepathic communication back in the day,
when this first happened with the visitors. Did it feel invasive?
I mean, you had have never had an experience like
that before. It had to be unsettling, right, I.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Have had those experiences all my life, so no, it
didn't feel invasive. Oh, I used to have him. I
used to have telepathy when I was a child pretty routinely,
and I didn't think anything of it. There's just life.
I think my dad might have been telepathic. We don't
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know much about his career in the military during World
War Two. We think he worked in South Texas interrogating
Africa Corps officers and Africa Core soldiers who were brought
there after they were captured. But he never said anything
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about it, but he seemed to be very telepathic too.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
News. Okay, when we come back, we're going to talk
more with Whitley about these sihabilities and how the visitors
use those abilities. You're listening to be Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with mister
Whitley Strieber about the telepathic abilities the visitors seem to
have and how it relates to some of the new
findings we are making in autistic non speaking children. Willie,
These discoveries seem to my end to the longtime argument
that humanity has had, whether it's the mind holding our
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consciousness versus the mind being a receiver that taps into
like a larger consciousness or Akashic records, which do you
feel is happening, you know, regarding the visitors and how
we're doing this. The brain is a mechanism. It's like
a plug that's plugged into a larger field, the field
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of consciousness. We are not, as the neurologists say, isolated
inside our heads at all. That's not true.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
You can be, but you can and that's the way
it mostly feels in life. And I'm alone in here,
But if you let yourself open up, then it becomes
quite a different world. And the difficulty is this, we
have imaginations and the imagination and can take over very quickly,
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and all of a sudden you're getting downloads and everything
that are basically coming from your own mind, and you're
even more isolated than before when you're going out and saying, oh,
I'm in touch with this for that spiritual being and etc.
And so forth. So the truth is this, if we
let ourselves open, the a whole nother level of reality
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is right here inside you and around you, all around
you is beyond telepathy. The thing that prevents us from
doing this is ego. Now I'm not saying we should
reject our egos at all. They're very necessary. They're a
necessary part of verbal life, this life we live in,
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this speaker in speaking world. And because you have to
be a self, you can't do this. But there's also
someone else in here. That someone else is the silent
presence that is kind of watching your life live be lived.
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And it's when you can pay attention to that silent
presence and let it be part of your life that
your world really opens up. You know.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It also ties into this idea of our soul and
its detachment from the human body. Which has been spoken
about for centuries and centuries. Yet you have speculated that
the after death realm may somehow be related to or
tie into the visitor experience as well. Do you think
it's related to the outer body aspect?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Well, that's an interesting question. I can't go out of
my body on my own. The reason I think I
can't get out on my own is that they won't
let me. They will take me out. They've taken me
out quite a few times. But I think that they
don't trust me. I think that they think I'll play
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practical jokes and things, and they're probably right, because it
is possible to make yourself visible in that state. I've
done that.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Why do you feel this, Guyson with the after death though, Like,
don't you've said that before that you think that death
is related somehow to this?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Well, yeah, the Journeys out of the Body and you
Robert Monroe a little bit who wrote Journeys out of
the Body, and he was the first person to warn
me about community. He said, you realize this book's going
to cause you a lot of trouble. He read a
galley proof he was before it was published, And I said, no,
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I didn't think of that, he said, well, get ready,
because it is and he was right. In any case,
visitors and the dead are kind of in the same space.
Are dead that we are based isolated in the body
in order to be fixed in the stream of time
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so that we can have novel experience, and the visitors
enter the time stream with the bodies that they make.
They basically I go into the fourth mind in great
detail about the anatomy of these bodies and the way
they are partially physical biological, and partially partially mechanical and
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so forth. So I think that they go into the
bodies in order to be in the stream of time,
and most of the world is outside of it. Most
of the world, most of reality, is not this. This
is something like a school that we do in order
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to learn about ourselves.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Interesting, you know, the discrepancy within this phenomenon involving the
inner action with these beings. You feel that people who
claim that these are religious experiences are incorrect, even though
you just said it's related to the death, which some
people think these are possibly angels or spirits, And you
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think the people that say that these visitors are angels
or demons are incorrect, And it's something entirely different, Isn't
that true?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I think that it's important not to try to reimagine
this in the context of our old beliefs, because those
beliefs aren't enough. If they were enough, this would be
a different world. They are very much like us in
a lot of ways. They're not higher beings, they are
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not angels, they are not demons. They are part of
the consciousness and the journey of this whole universe, just
like us.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
So when we talked earlier that the mind is not
isolated in our skull, that the mind is just tapping
into this giant acastac record or whatever term we want
to use for that mass consciousness, you're saying, these are
other beings that are also part of that network.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Is that Correa? Precisely, They're part of it, and they
are coalesced into being inside a larger consciousness without bodies.
And you know, I've been in that state. I've been
out of my body, so I know it's very real.
I wasn't part of it. I wasn't I didn't disappear
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into a larger consciousness when I was out of my body.
I remained myself, and I remained in this world. In fact,
for the most part, the visitors showed me how I
could become an orb of light, and they showed me
how I could become a manifestation that would look like
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a physical body. And I've done both things in the
other state and interacted with people in the who saw
me as a physical being and to a lesser extent,
as orbs, because believe me, when you're in that state,
they just stare at you, and you know, you think,
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you know, he doesn't know it. You know we're friends,
he doesn't know it. I'm in this and so orbs
come in here in this apartment when I meditated quite often,
and I think to myself, you know, I try to
open my mind to them because I know that they
could be just other people from the neighborhood very easily.
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And who are to attract Annie? What?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Or Annie? Maybe?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Annie? Oh, it's certainly. Annie is certainly involved. I mean
she's back there right behind me where you can see him.
For a reason, and the reason is that, you know,
I feel like Annie's I wear both rings. I wear
both rings. I took her ring off her when I
put it on her when we were married, and took
it off her when she died. And I put it
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on me, and as far as I'm concerned, we're together.
We wrote a book right after she died, called The
Afterlife Revolution. We wrote it together because she very skillfully
proved that she still existed. She did that at a
Western level of believability by coming to friends and telling
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them to call me at moments when I was really
down in the dumps because of my grief. She did
this enough to where even I, who tend to be
much more skeptical than I sound today, had to say, yes,
it's real. She did this.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
She's interesting to hear, and it's another case of consciousness
surviving death. When I come back to talk to Whitley
Moore about his brand new book, The Fourth Kind, which
delves into the aspects of psionics and the anatomy, brains, genetics,
beliefs and capabilities of the visitors. You're listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
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podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain
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Ron and we're speaking with Whitley Strieber. He's still writing
very important books. In this new one, The Fourth Mind,
sounds fascinating. Willy in this book, you claim that the
visitors have these set of abilities that you describe as
the fourth Mind, that includes powers such as telepathy, levitation,
and the ability to move heavy objects without machinery. Well,
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this ties right into all these legends we've heard over
the years about how ancient structures were built, from Nan Medal,
the Pyramids to the stones at Ballbeck Lebanon. Is that
how you think these things were built?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Well, I think that Well, first, I don't know that
the visitors have the ability to move very heavy objects.
They probably do. But what they have that I have observed.
They have the ability to levitate, They have telepathy, and
they have the ability to move instantaneously from place to place.
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And also, just as happened to a friend of mine
last week, they have the ability to take you and
move you right through a wall. You know. So they
do have certain of these abilities, and I think we
had them too. One in particular that I think that
there's plenty of evidence on the ground all over the
planet that we did have is the ability to move
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very very heavy objects with the mind or with some
kind of a force within us. And there was a
man called ed Leids Skalnet who apparently had this ability,
he moved caral stones and it made something called the
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Carl Castle in Homestead, Florida. And he did this, moved
them without any apparent means of movement. In other words,
he didn't have any crane or anything. He had some tools,
but he didn't have anything that moved them from the
quarry to the where he built the castle. No one
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ever saw him do it either. He said that it
was an ancient Egyptian secret that he had learned. He
didn't say where, but he was from Lithuania, and Lithuania
is a place with a lot of magic still there,
so it's doable. Now, somebody did it. I believe we
have these powers because Ed had them. Therefore it's quite possible.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It was us in ballback. Isn't it true that then
these giant some of them were lifted and put on
top of another one. Yes, how did they lift that up?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Well? Probably it wasn't even very difficult for them. But
there's another thing at Baulbeck. The thousands upon thousands of
granite columns that are there all brought up from Aswan
in southern Egypt. And we don't have any evidence of
anything that the Egyptians had that could have transported them,
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not alone, let alone the enormous number of them. Somebody
who had superior engineering abilities was here in the past.
And we're like children who always assumed that, you know,
what we have is the best. And the Eurocentric archaeologists
always looked down their noses at the people of the
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past and say, oh, well, you know, we're far in
advance of them. We know what they We know more
about the world world than they do. Did I don't
think so. I think it's turned around, And in the
fourth mind I talk about exactly why it's turned around
and what happened and why we are living in the
shadow of a much greater civilization.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
It does seem like it's one or the other. Either
we had these abilities that we were able to move
these giant stones and somehow lost that technology, which is possible,
or we had help from elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Right, yeah, that could be part of both, because it's
not a technology, it's a mental it's a state of
mind that we weren't. We didn't use a technology to
do this. We used our minds, I'm sure, to.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Lift the rocks like some sort of ability to move item.
We had a relationship to the planet. That's different, was
different then than it is now, and it was it
was beaten out of us basically by what we thought
at the time of as a war in space. And
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who knows that could have been something real. You know,
if you look in the ancient Sanskrit texts, you see
stories of a war in space. But we know from
scientific research something that did happen that thirty thousand years
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ago there was a supernova. The gamma rays from a
supernova arrived on Earth here into our Solar System, and
we even have a few legends from different places in
the world of a time when there were two sons
in the sky, and we have a scar from this
gamma ray sheeting that took place of mass extinctions of
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large animals across Southeast Asia and Australia. Now fast forward
to twelve thousand years ago. The planet is in deep
in a nice age and suddenly the physical debris from
this supernova arrives.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And this debris consists of metals and all kinds of
iron and things that have been spit out by the supernova.
All of a sudden, this debris arrives in our Solar System,
moving at high speed, and this is why the result
of This is that this planet is sheeted by enormous
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numbers of bolides, little meteors, some of them no bigger
than a grain of sand. When they reach Earth, and
it primarily hits the sheet of it primarily hits the
North American continent. This is why you find the outdoor
ungulates like mammoths. When we find them preserved in permafrost,
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they often have food in their mouths, and this is
because they were hit by these things that penetrated any
and some scientists have actually found bits of meteor in
their bones. They just literally were hit by this and
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dropped dead like a bullet out. Yeah, like a bullet exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's funny that people think of Whitley Street, or people
certainly outside our community, I should say, think of you
as the alien guy, let's say, but you, in fact
don't even use that term. You call them the visitors
because you don't know what this presence is.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
No, I don't know where they're from. Maybe they are
from here, I mean up at the cabin in upstate
New York. They come out of caves that are in
iron and a seam of iron under the ground, so
that you know they're not coming from they don't arrive
in a flying saucer. They did once or twice, so
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maybe they come from both above and below. Wow, incredible, Willy.
We got to take another break. This is our last one.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
When we come back, we're going to talk with Whitley
more about the Fourth Mind and some of the characteristics
of the visitors. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Whitley Streeber. Willy,
I wanted to ask you how your views on the
and these encounters have evolved since you first wrote about
them in Communion. You've been having these for what forty
plus years now, right?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, Well, I've had I I you know, at first
it was encounters and they were very physical. Then not
long after that, it became obvious to us that these
beings could enter our lives in our house invisibly and
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then also visibly, and it became a relationship. One of them,
the lady on the cover of Communion, was almost became
like part of the family. And she didn't see her
very often, but she sure was there and the children
saw her. And when my son had a boy over
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up to our cabinet. She didn't like it had such
a tongue in a light socket when he was three,
and she just thought that was meant he was completely irresponsible,
and she didn't want him anywhere around us. So that
night he was there, she kept coming up to the
bedside and waking me up, and I would see like
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smoke pouring out the side of her mouth, and then
she'd project images of my son going to her house
in a cab and the cabby kidnapping him and all
kinds of things. This is the way she talked, was
in images in the head. And so I'm thinking maybe
we shouldn't have him around again, because she didn't like
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him too much. Morning came and he said, mister Streeber,
something was here in the night in the bedroom, the
boy's bedroom. My son's bed was on one wall and
the guest bed was on the other wall, immediately across
from the door. And what she been doing she had
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long snaky fingers that you know they have. I go
into this in detail in the fourth mind as to
exactly how their anatomy works, and they have four fingers,
and so she was and they have little claws on
the ends of them, and she was taking these around
the door and moving them up and down the door
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and tapping on the door with their fingernails their claws,
and he was just scared to death, he said, mister Streebert,
he described this happening. Would you please take me home today?
And I said, of course I will, and I took
him home. We never saw him again. That would have
been me. I would not well. But anyway, that's the
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level of relationship then. Then now it's different. I do
have physical encounters with them sometimes once in a blue
moon do I see them physically, the little gray people.
But I've seen them enough to where you know, let's
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there's detailed descriptions of their anatomy and the fourth mind,
and it's quite correct. But mostly it's like I was
at a meeting yesterday evening. I was very tired. I'd
gotten up at six and gone swimming, and the meeting
was up in Malibu, and I live in Santa Monica,
so it's a long trek up there because the highway
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that used to be the easy highway to take is
closed because of the fires that happened here in January.
So I fell asleep at the meeting, and immediately an
invisible finger tapped me on the shoulder, wake me up.
And I am touched like that all the time day.
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It's there's always a presence here and it's become a
very loving friendship. And I write my books with them.
I wake up at three o'clock pretty much every morning
and work with them because that's the time of day
that your mind is most open. It's called brahma with
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hearth at time in yoga, and it is the and
it's about an hour and a half before dawn, and
I wake up then and or they wake me up
either way, I mean they can. They do wake me
up from time to time. If I don't wake up enough,
they'll wake me up. And if I still don't get
up when they're trying to wake me up, then they
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get pissed off. And you don't want that to happen.
That they are. They have a definite temper at least
when it comes to me. Even in when Annie was alive,
I would say, from time to time, you know, I
think they're pissed off at me, and she said, yeah,
of course they are. Everybody gets pissed off at you.
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What's about that? That's been the theme of today show.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Really, you know, you said that they don't control you,
and they can't control you, but do you ever wonder
if they are perhaps manipulating you in some way. I
recently read an article about AI and they said, as
it gets smarter, it may in fact be manipulating us
and we won't even be aware of it. Is that
possible that that's happening to you? I could not imagine
(35:23):
that it wouldn't be happening. Of course it's happening. I
write my books with them, so sure they're manipulating me.
They're giving me ideas. I have an implant in my
ear that I use as a research tool, and they're
who's on the other side of it. But this presence, including.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Usuating it feels more like a partnership, Like you're right, Yeah,
that's that's what I was getting to. It's very much
of a partnership. I'm you know, because my books are
about helping people understand this, and there's no one else
in the world writing books quite like this. And you know,
they're very devoted to these books, very devoted, and I
(36:06):
am too. I mean, this is my life and I
try hard to make this partnership work as best I
can so that what I write does reflect the community's wish.
And when I say community, I'm talking about a large
(36:27):
community of un non physical beings that are. They come
in here, as I say, physically, only very rarely, but
mostly they're in a non physical state. She is. I
think she's like the tap on the shoulder at the
meeting we've been I've been going to. It's a meeting
of a sort of a discussion group, and I've been
(36:50):
going to it for years. Annie loved it, and I
think it was her. I think she's she's She's waked
me up and done various things many times at the meeting,
and I think it's because she's there too, participating in
the meeting and using my body as her means of communication.
I think she comes in here with me quite frequently,
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and I think they do too, and I'm perfectly content
with that. That's why she called the book the first
book Communion in the first place. It's about having a
deeper relationship of a kind we don't normally have in life,
with this other level of presence. And Wow, what do
you think of the term NHI non human intelligence? Ah
(37:35):
that you know it separates us. It's a separating term.
I mean, I use it. People use it, especially in
the government and the military, and the academics and science,
different communities that are beginning to respond to that. But
I always say, you know, why should we think of
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them as different from us. We're all part of the
same journey, and so non human intelligence. I would just say,
we are part of consciousness and some of it is
intelligent and some of it is not, But that doesn't
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mean it is not self aware.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I think I would put the humans in the non
intelligent part.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
I would guess right, Oh no, no, don't make that mistake.
Humans are highly intelligent. We're more intelligent than the visitors.
The visitors have essentially one mind in many bodies, and
when they come to something, they come to it right.
In other words, they know things that are true about
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the universe much more than we do. But we know
many more things than they do, and we're much faster,
and we will catch up with them very quickly. Like
you know, five years ago, had you ever heard of
artificial intelligence? Now you use it every single day of
your lines.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Right, That is fascinating stuff. Whitley, always great talking to you.
I appreciate you taking the time with us today. You
guys can find Whitley at Unknown Country dot com. Part
of the reason that I hope that we get vindication
for all of this is for someone like yourself, where
I feel like the bravery of you coming forward and
sharing your experiences with us, I hope get vindicated one day.
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we have the great pleasure of speaking with one of
the legends in ufology, the author of Communion himself, mister
Whitley streeber Will. He's actually written over forty fiction and
nonfiction books and he is still at it with a
brand new book out right now. Called the Fourth Mind.
(01:32):
The Fourth Mind is the first book ever to explore
the anatomy, brains, genetics, beliefs, and capabilities of the as
Whitley calls them, the visitors. His website Unknown Country is
among the largest in the world dealing with paranormal phenomenon
and his podcast Dreamland has been produced weekly for over
(01:53):
twenty years and remains one of the premier spots on
this topic. We're also going to be very honored to
once again have them back at Contact in the Desert,
and I'm thrilled to have them here with me today.
Thanks for taking the time. Welly, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
By doing great? And I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You know, I wanted to start off today and ask
you a bit about psionics and telepathy because I feel
like you sit right at the intersection of the telepathy
tapes and UFOs. I think the very first time I
remember reading about telepathic contact with beings was in Communion,
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and we often hear contact these saying how that they
feel that the beings communicated with them telepathically, Isn't that right?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
That's right. The telepathy is the way they communicate. It's
really their voice. They are not vocal. They do not
have a SIRNX, which is what a bird uses to
make notes or vocal cords like we used to make words.
Their method of communication is telepathic, and when you were
(02:58):
with them you can do ti pelepathy too easily, and
if you with them enough, eventually you can do telepathy
fairly well yourself, just on your own. We are capable
of it, but because we use the voice, it's not
emphasized the telepathy tapes. What happened there were These were
people that doctor Diane Hennessy Powell discovered were communicating telepathically,
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largely because their parents and caregivers told her that this
was happening, and she's open minded enough to look into it.
These are, specifically, we're people who were unvoiced, who generally
were autistic and could not speak people. The parents would
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begin to hear them in their heads. And this happened
so often that, as I say, she began to test it.
And then a particularly special documentary filmmaker, Kai Dickens, who
is devoted to making documentary films that help people. I
mean in other words, that she's a helping personality, discovered
(04:11):
this was going on and decided to make a documentary
film about it. Nothing. She did a lot of the work,
but she couldn't get the film funded because people are
so I mean, this is the Western this is Western civilization.
We don't believe in the soul. We don't believe in
anything we can't measure, even if we maybe later could
(04:36):
measure it. Like you would have been burned at the
stake in Western civil or not burned at the stake
at this point. But in eighteen thirty, if you had
declared that it was possible to transmit voice over the
air between people, let alone pictures, you would have been
(04:58):
laughed off the stage of science as being some kind
of a crank. But radio existed then, we just didn't
know how to use it. Telepathy exists now, we just
don't know how to use it. And because we can't
measure whatever it is that causes telepathy, we scoff at it.
(05:20):
The scientific world scoffs at Diane, And they in fact
tried to get her take her license to practice away,
just the same thing they did with John Mack. And
then they tried to They forced her to take a
mental health exam before she could continue to practice again.
(05:40):
Just the most absolutely outrageous, humiliating thing. You can imagine,
it's horrible and.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Don't you think Whitley that a lot of times throughout
history this has happened to scientists who come across something new.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Well, yeah, I mean, of course the classic cases are
Galileo and Donald Bruno. Bruno, probably one of the most
brilliant human beings who ever lived, ended up getting burned
at the stake, and Galileo came close. He ended up
in house arrest for the rest of his life because
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they were right. Being right hurts, people will beat you up.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know, you seem very excited about the work of
Diane and of course Ki Dickens who's documenting her work.
There seems to be other aspects within these non speakers
abilities that really relates to our areas of the phenomenon
in general, like crystal's vibration consciousness. Aren't these other things
kind of showing up in their work?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Some of them have a sensitivity that enables them to
perceive the reality of crystal vibration. I have crystals here.
I have one that it's a rose quartz crystal that
I dreamed about it one night and we were walking
down the street the next day and there it sat
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in the window of a shop and I thought I
was told that and then said, oh, look there's your crystal.
And I think I thought to myself, I'd better buy
that crystal. And I've had it ever since. That was
back in the in the long before the community experience,
back in the seventies. Oh, I've had it beside my
(07:24):
bed ever since. It's been You know, I don't feel
anything direct from it, but I do greatly respect it.
I think it has something to do with my relationship
to the earth. Perhaps I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You know, there's so many fascinating aspects to doctor Powell's work,
Like I wonder if they are communicating mind to mind
by sending messages, or if there's somehow sharing consciousness and
that the one person's actually seen through the other person's eyes.
You know, we heard that that tale years ago someone
(08:00):
a blind child was able to read an eye chart
through their mother's eyes. Which do you think it.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Is well both? For example, in communicating with the visitors,
I have a trigger word, which if I hear it
in my head repeated three times in my head, then
my mind becomes open to verbal telepathy. If I don't,
if you say it, it doesn't make any difference. I've
(08:28):
tried that, believe me. But if I hear it is,
if it's being spoken in my head, then I can
verbally be verbally telepathic with whoever is being telepathic with me.
And that doesn't just mean the Grays. There are people
who can do this too, and the ones that know
the trigger word can communicate with me. But I'm locked away.
(08:51):
I can't. I can't, like do telepathy, do verbal telepathy
with you right now? I wish I could. I know
some people who can and are very good at it.
In fact, the other kind of telepathy is much richer,
and that I'm pretty much in that. That's when in
the telepathy tapes the kids talk about going to the hill,
(09:15):
which is a figurative place where they are all aware
on the same frequency. You get used to working in
these frequencies. It's not hard. It's something that everyone can do.
In fact, I talk about it a lot in the
Fourth Mind. We don't do it because we're told it's impossible,
(09:37):
and so that's why we don't do it. We're told
we're weak, small, ignorant, and foolish and actually also dangerous.
All of those things are to a degree true, but
we are also wonderful. We are also capable, and we
have a rich relationship with other levels of real and
(10:02):
we have many frequencies we can address in the human being.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Well, real quick, I wanted to ask you. We're almost
at the break here, but I wanted to see when
you first experienced the telepathic communication back in the day,
when this first happened with the visitors. Did it feel invasive?
I mean, you had have never had an experience like
that before. It had to be unsettling, right, I.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Have had those experiences all my life, so no, it
didn't feel invasive. Oh, I used to have him. I
used to have telepathy when I was a child pretty routinely,
and I didn't think anything of it. There's just life.
I think my dad might have been telepathic. We don't
(10:46):
know much about his career in the military during World
War Two. We think he worked in South Texas interrogating
Africa Corps officers and Africa Core soldiers who were brought
there after they were captured. But he never said anything
(11:11):
about it, but he seemed to be very telepathic too.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
News. Okay, when we come back, we're going to talk
more with Whitley about these sihabilities and how the visitors
use those abilities. You're listening to be Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
(11:44):
We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with mister
Whitley Strieber about the telepathic abilities the visitors seem to
have and how it relates to some of the new
findings we are making in autistic non speaking children. Willie,
These discoveries seem to my end to the longtime argument
that humanity has had, whether it's the mind holding our
(12:05):
consciousness versus the mind being a receiver that taps into
like a larger consciousness or Akashic records, which do you
feel is happening, you know, regarding the visitors and how
we're doing this. The brain is a mechanism. It's like
a plug that's plugged into a larger field, the field
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of consciousness. We are not, as the neurologists say, isolated
inside our heads at all. That's not true.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
You can be, but you can and that's the way
it mostly feels in life. And I'm alone in here,
But if you let yourself open up, then it becomes
quite a different world. And the difficulty is this, we
have imaginations and the imagination and can take over very quickly,
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and all of a sudden you're getting downloads and everything
that are basically coming from your own mind, and you're
even more isolated than before when you're going out and saying, oh,
I'm in touch with this for that spiritual being and etc.
And so forth. So the truth is this, if we
let ourselves open, the a whole nother level of reality
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is right here inside you and around you, all around
you is beyond telepathy. The thing that prevents us from
doing this is ego. Now I'm not saying we should
reject our egos at all. They're very necessary. They're a
necessary part of verbal life, this life we live in,
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this speaker in speaking world. And because you have to
be a self, you can't do this. But there's also
someone else in here. That someone else is the silent
presence that is kind of watching your life live be lived.
(14:13):
And it's when you can pay attention to that silent
presence and let it be part of your life that
your world really opens up. You know.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It also ties into this idea of our soul and
its detachment from the human body. Which has been spoken
about for centuries and centuries. Yet you have speculated that
the after death realm may somehow be related to or
tie into the visitor experience as well. Do you think
it's related to the outer body aspect?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Well, that's an interesting question. I can't go out of
my body on my own. The reason I think I
can't get out on my own is that they won't
let me. They will take me out. They've taken me
out quite a few times. But I think that they
don't trust me. I think that they think I'll play
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practical jokes and things, and they're probably right, because it
is possible to make yourself visible in that state. I've
done that.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Why do you feel this, Guyson with the after death though, Like,
don't you've said that before that you think that death
is related somehow to this?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Well, yeah, the Journeys out of the Body and you
Robert Monroe a little bit who wrote Journeys out of
the Body, and he was the first person to warn
me about community. He said, you realize this book's going
to cause you a lot of trouble. He read a
galley proof he was before it was published, And I said, no,
(15:42):
I didn't think of that, he said, well, get ready,
because it is and he was right. In any case,
visitors and the dead are kind of in the same space.
Are dead that we are based isolated in the body
in order to be fixed in the stream of time
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so that we can have novel experience, and the visitors
enter the time stream with the bodies that they make.
They basically I go into the fourth mind in great
detail about the anatomy of these bodies and the way
they are partially physical biological, and partially partially mechanical and
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so forth. So I think that they go into the
bodies in order to be in the stream of time,
and most of the world is outside of it. Most
of the world, most of reality, is not this. This
is something like a school that we do in order
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to learn about ourselves.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Interesting, you know, the discrepancy within this phenomenon involving the
inner action with these beings. You feel that people who
claim that these are religious experiences are incorrect, even though
you just said it's related to the death, which some
people think these are possibly angels or spirits, And you
(17:16):
think the people that say that these visitors are angels
or demons are incorrect, And it's something entirely different, Isn't
that true?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I think that it's important not to try to reimagine
this in the context of our old beliefs, because those
beliefs aren't enough. If they were enough, this would be
a different world. They are very much like us in
a lot of ways. They're not higher beings, they are
(17:46):
not angels, they are not demons. They are part of
the consciousness and the journey of this whole universe, just
like us.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
So when we talked earlier that the mind is not
isolated in our skull, that the mind is just tapping
into this giant acastac record or whatever term we want
to use for that mass consciousness, you're saying, these are
other beings that are also part of that network.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Is that Correa? Precisely, They're part of it, and they
are coalesced into being inside a larger consciousness without bodies.
And you know, I've been in that state. I've been
out of my body, so I know it's very real.
I wasn't part of it. I wasn't I didn't disappear
(18:33):
into a larger consciousness when I was out of my body.
I remained myself, and I remained in this world. In fact,
for the most part, the visitors showed me how I
could become an orb of light, and they showed me
how I could become a manifestation that would look like
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a physical body. And I've done both things in the
other state and interacted with people in the who saw
me as a physical being and to a lesser extent,
as orbs, because believe me, when you're in that state,
they just stare at you, and you know, you think,
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you know, he doesn't know it. You know we're friends,
he doesn't know it. I'm in this and so orbs
come in here in this apartment when I meditated quite often,
and I think to myself, you know, I try to
open my mind to them because I know that they
could be just other people from the neighborhood very easily.
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And who are to attract Annie? What?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Or Annie? Maybe?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Annie? Oh, it's certainly. Annie is certainly involved. I mean
she's back there right behind me where you can see him.
For a reason, and the reason is that, you know,
I feel like Annie's I wear both rings. I wear
both rings. I took her ring off her when I
put it on her when we were married, and took
it off her when she died. And I put it
(20:01):
on me, and as far as I'm concerned, we're together.
We wrote a book right after she died, called The
Afterlife Revolution. We wrote it together because she very skillfully
proved that she still existed. She did that at a
Western level of believability by coming to friends and telling
(20:26):
them to call me at moments when I was really
down in the dumps because of my grief. She did
this enough to where even I, who tend to be
much more skeptical than I sound today, had to say, yes,
it's real. She did this.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
She's interesting to hear, and it's another case of consciousness
surviving death. When I come back to talk to Whitley
Moore about his brand new book, The Fourth Kind, which
delves into the aspects of psionics and the anatomy, brains, genetics,
beliefs and capabilities of the visitors. You're listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
(21:09):
podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain
(21:30):
Ron and we're speaking with Whitley Strieber. He's still writing
very important books. In this new one, The Fourth Mind,
sounds fascinating. Willy in this book, you claim that the
visitors have these set of abilities that you describe as
the fourth Mind, that includes powers such as telepathy, levitation,
and the ability to move heavy objects without machinery. Well,
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this ties right into all these legends we've heard over
the years about how ancient structures were built, from Nan Medal,
the Pyramids to the stones at Ballbeck Lebanon. Is that
how you think these things were built?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Well, I think that Well, first, I don't know that
the visitors have the ability to move very heavy objects.
They probably do. But what they have that I have observed.
They have the ability to levitate, They have telepathy, and
they have the ability to move instantaneously from place to place.
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And also, just as happened to a friend of mine
last week, they have the ability to take you and
move you right through a wall. You know. So they
do have certain of these abilities, and I think we
had them too. One in particular that I think that
there's plenty of evidence on the ground all over the
planet that we did have is the ability to move
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very very heavy objects with the mind or with some
kind of a force within us. And there was a
man called ed Leids Skalnet who apparently had this ability,
he moved caral stones and it made something called the
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Carl Castle in Homestead, Florida. And he did this, moved
them without any apparent means of movement. In other words,
he didn't have any crane or anything. He had some tools,
but he didn't have anything that moved them from the
quarry to the where he built the castle. No one
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ever saw him do it either. He said that it
was an ancient Egyptian secret that he had learned. He
didn't say where, but he was from Lithuania, and Lithuania
is a place with a lot of magic still there,
so it's doable. Now, somebody did it. I believe we
have these powers because Ed had them. Therefore it's quite possible.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It was us in ballback. Isn't it true that then
these giant some of them were lifted and put on
top of another one. Yes, how did they lift that up?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Well? Probably it wasn't even very difficult for them. But
there's another thing at Baulbeck. The thousands upon thousands of
granite columns that are there all brought up from Aswan
in southern Egypt. And we don't have any evidence of
anything that the Egyptians had that could have transported them,
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not alone, let alone the enormous number of them. Somebody
who had superior engineering abilities was here in the past.
And we're like children who always assumed that, you know,
what we have is the best. And the Eurocentric archaeologists
always looked down their noses at the people of the
(24:54):
past and say, oh, well, you know, we're far in
advance of them. We know what they We know more
about the world world than they do. Did I don't
think so. I think it's turned around, And in the
fourth mind I talk about exactly why it's turned around
and what happened and why we are living in the
shadow of a much greater civilization.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
It does seem like it's one or the other. Either
we had these abilities that we were able to move
these giant stones and somehow lost that technology, which is possible,
or we had help from elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Right, yeah, that could be part of both, because it's
not a technology, it's a mental it's a state of
mind that we weren't. We didn't use a technology to
do this. We used our minds, I'm sure, to.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Lift the rocks like some sort of ability to move item.
We had a relationship to the planet. That's different, was
different then than it is now, and it was it
was beaten out of us basically by what we thought
at the time of as a war in space. And
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who knows that could have been something real. You know,
if you look in the ancient Sanskrit texts, you see
stories of a war in space. But we know from
scientific research something that did happen that thirty thousand years
(26:30):
ago there was a supernova. The gamma rays from a
supernova arrived on Earth here into our Solar System, and
we even have a few legends from different places in
the world of a time when there were two sons
in the sky, and we have a scar from this
gamma ray sheeting that took place of mass extinctions of
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large animals across Southeast Asia and Australia. Now fast forward
to twelve thousand years ago. The planet is in deep
in a nice age and suddenly the physical debris from
this supernova arrives.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And this debris consists of metals and all kinds of
iron and things that have been spit out by the supernova.
All of a sudden, this debris arrives in our Solar System,
moving at high speed, and this is why the result
of This is that this planet is sheeted by enormous
(27:41):
numbers of bolides, little meteors, some of them no bigger
than a grain of sand. When they reach Earth, and
it primarily hits the sheet of it primarily hits the
North American continent. This is why you find the outdoor
ungulates like mammoths. When we find them preserved in permafrost,
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they often have food in their mouths, and this is
because they were hit by these things that penetrated any
and some scientists have actually found bits of meteor in
their bones. They just literally were hit by this and
(28:30):
dropped dead like a bullet out. Yeah, like a bullet exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's funny that people think of Whitley Street, or people
certainly outside our community, I should say, think of you
as the alien guy, let's say, but you, in fact
don't even use that term. You call them the visitors
because you don't know what this presence is.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
No, I don't know where they're from. Maybe they are
from here, I mean up at the cabin in upstate
New York. They come out of caves that are in
iron and a seam of iron under the ground, so
that you know they're not coming from they don't arrive
in a flying saucer. They did once or twice, so
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maybe they come from both above and below. Wow, incredible, Willy.
We got to take another break. This is our last one.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
When we come back, we're going to talk with Whitley
more about the Fourth Mind and some of the characteristics
of the visitors. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
(29:55):
are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Whitley Streeber. Willy,
I wanted to ask you how your views on the
and these encounters have evolved since you first wrote about
them in Communion. You've been having these for what forty
plus years now, right?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, Well, I've had I I you know, at first
it was encounters and they were very physical. Then not
long after that, it became obvious to us that these
beings could enter our lives in our house invisibly and
(30:33):
then also visibly, and it became a relationship. One of them,
the lady on the cover of Communion, was almost became
like part of the family. And she didn't see her
very often, but she sure was there and the children
saw her. And when my son had a boy over
(30:56):
up to our cabinet. She didn't like it had such
a tongue in a light socket when he was three,
and she just thought that was meant he was completely irresponsible,
and she didn't want him anywhere around us. So that
night he was there, she kept coming up to the
bedside and waking me up, and I would see like
(31:18):
smoke pouring out the side of her mouth, and then
she'd project images of my son going to her house
in a cab and the cabby kidnapping him and all
kinds of things. This is the way she talked, was
in images in the head. And so I'm thinking maybe
we shouldn't have him around again, because she didn't like
(31:39):
him too much. Morning came and he said, mister Streeber,
something was here in the night in the bedroom, the
boy's bedroom. My son's bed was on one wall and
the guest bed was on the other wall, immediately across
from the door. And what she been doing she had
(32:01):
long snaky fingers that you know they have. I go
into this in detail in the fourth mind as to
exactly how their anatomy works, and they have four fingers,
and so she was and they have little claws on
the ends of them, and she was taking these around
the door and moving them up and down the door
(32:24):
and tapping on the door with their fingernails their claws,
and he was just scared to death, he said, mister Streebert,
he described this happening. Would you please take me home today?
And I said, of course I will, and I took
him home. We never saw him again. That would have
been me. I would not well. But anyway, that's the
(32:46):
level of relationship then. Then now it's different. I do
have physical encounters with them sometimes once in a blue
moon do I see them physically, the little gray people.
But I've seen them enough to where you know, let's
(33:06):
there's detailed descriptions of their anatomy and the fourth mind,
and it's quite correct. But mostly it's like I was
at a meeting yesterday evening. I was very tired. I'd
gotten up at six and gone swimming, and the meeting
was up in Malibu, and I live in Santa Monica,
so it's a long trek up there because the highway
(33:28):
that used to be the easy highway to take is
closed because of the fires that happened here in January.
So I fell asleep at the meeting, and immediately an
invisible finger tapped me on the shoulder, wake me up.
And I am touched like that all the time day.
(33:53):
It's there's always a presence here and it's become a
very loving friendship. And I write my books with them.
I wake up at three o'clock pretty much every morning
and work with them because that's the time of day
that your mind is most open. It's called brahma with
(34:15):
hearth at time in yoga, and it is the and
it's about an hour and a half before dawn, and
I wake up then and or they wake me up
either way, I mean they can. They do wake me
up from time to time. If I don't wake up enough,
they'll wake me up. And if I still don't get
up when they're trying to wake me up, then they
(34:35):
get pissed off. And you don't want that to happen.
That they are. They have a definite temper at least
when it comes to me. Even in when Annie was alive,
I would say, from time to time, you know, I
think they're pissed off at me, and she said, yeah,
of course they are. Everybody gets pissed off at you.
(34:57):
What's about that? That's been the theme of today show.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Really, you know, you said that they don't control you,
and they can't control you, but do you ever wonder
if they are perhaps manipulating you in some way. I
recently read an article about AI and they said, as
it gets smarter, it may in fact be manipulating us
and we won't even be aware of it. Is that
possible that that's happening to you? I could not imagine
(35:23):
that it wouldn't be happening. Of course it's happening. I
write my books with them, so sure they're manipulating me.
They're giving me ideas. I have an implant in my
ear that I use as a research tool, and they're
who's on the other side of it. But this presence, including.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Usuating it feels more like a partnership, Like you're right, Yeah,
that's that's what I was getting to. It's very much
of a partnership. I'm you know, because my books are
about helping people understand this, and there's no one else
in the world writing books quite like this. And you know,
they're very devoted to these books, very devoted, and I
(36:06):
am too. I mean, this is my life and I
try hard to make this partnership work as best I
can so that what I write does reflect the community's wish.
And when I say community, I'm talking about a large
(36:27):
community of un non physical beings that are. They come
in here, as I say, physically, only very rarely, but
mostly they're in a non physical state. She is. I
think she's like the tap on the shoulder at the
meeting we've been I've been going to. It's a meeting
of a sort of a discussion group, and I've been
(36:50):
going to it for years. Annie loved it, and I
think it was her. I think she's she's She's waked
me up and done various things many times at the meeting,
and I think it's because she's there too, participating in
the meeting and using my body as her means of communication.
I think she comes in here with me quite frequently,
(37:12):
and I think they do too, and I'm perfectly content
with that. That's why she called the book the first
book Communion in the first place. It's about having a
deeper relationship of a kind we don't normally have in life,
with this other level of presence. And Wow, what do
you think of the term NHI non human intelligence? Ah
(37:35):
that you know it separates us. It's a separating term.
I mean, I use it. People use it, especially in
the government and the military, and the academics and science,
different communities that are beginning to respond to that. But
I always say, you know, why should we think of
(37:55):
them as different from us. We're all part of the
same journey, and so non human intelligence. I would just say,
we are part of consciousness and some of it is
intelligent and some of it is not, But that doesn't
(38:17):
mean it is not self aware.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I think I would put the humans in the non
intelligent part.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
I would guess right, Oh no, no, don't make that mistake.
Humans are highly intelligent. We're more intelligent than the visitors.
The visitors have essentially one mind in many bodies, and
when they come to something, they come to it right.
In other words, they know things that are true about
(38:44):
the universe much more than we do. But we know
many more things than they do, and we're much faster,
and we will catch up with them very quickly. Like
you know, five years ago, had you ever heard of
artificial intelligence? Now you use it every single day of
your lines.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Right, That is fascinating stuff. Whitley, always great talking to you.
I appreciate you taking the time with us today. You
guys can find Whitley at Unknown Country dot com. Part
of the reason that I hope that we get vindication
for all of this is for someone like yourself, where
I feel like the bravery of you coming forward and
sharing your experiences with us, I hope get vindicated one day.
(39:29):
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CD
Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out Contactingthdesert dot com.
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