June 13, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
going to be speaking with our friend Steve Bassett. Steve's
the executive director of the Paradigm Research Group, which he
founded back in nineteen ninety six to end the government
imposed embargo on the truth behind the extraterrestrial related phenomenon.
It was then that he also became a registered lobbyist
for the UAP subject. There's been so much happening these
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last couple of months, it's unbelievable. It's very hard to
keep up, and no one is on top of this
stuff as much as Steve is. So I thought, you know,
he archives this stuff on his website, Paradigmresearchgroup dot org.
I thought would bring him in and try to make
sense of all of this. Hey, Steve, how are we doing?
Is your head spinning there in Washington?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Everybody's head is spinning here in Washington, just spinning heads.
It's interesting times you live in, my friend, so enjoy them.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
What is where's con uber right now? With this issue?
It seems like more and more people are addressing this
in a serious way. Where do you think Congress sits
right now?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Well, it's it's engaging at a level that we've never
seen before. It's been doing it for years. So yeah,
Congress is very much involved. A lot of that is known.
We're seeing it happen. They're getting interviews, they're on camera,
they're going on media. But there are plenty of other
members of Congress. I can assure you that are engaging
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this issue by not saying anything about it. They're reading up,
they're paying attention to what the other members of Congress
are doing. In other words, the ones that are out
front now are leading the way for the rest who
are not quite ready to jump in. But it's well,
it's the biggest issue out there in the world as
far as I'm concerned, So it will happen. So congressionally,
we're in a very very good shape. And the name
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of your show, beyond contact is totally appropriate. We've had contact,
We've had tons of contact, ask any contact e and
so as a result, we are beyond contact but before disclosure.
So there's huge numbers of people in the world that
know that they're here, and many have had actual direct
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contact called contact ease, but we haven't gotten a confirmation
from the heads of state. That's a political matter. Naturally,
it takes forever, and it has we're now in our
seventy eighth year. But finally the Congress started getting involved
right around two thousand and early twenty eighteen, when people
who had come out in twenty seventeen, particularly Christopher Melan,
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Luel Azando and some others, started taking witnesses up on
the hill. It was a logical first step, quietly, no publicity,
taking them on the hill, having them sit with certain
members of key committees to talk about what they know,
so that these members could get enough up speed to
be able to decide what to do. This went on
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through all of nineteen, it went on into twenty. How
many of these meetings took place, don't know. They were
not public, but I think a decent amount were. The
focus was certainly the Intel Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee
in the Senate, and maybe the same in the House,
though apparently some people on the Oversight Committee in the
House got free. And at some point it reached a
critical mass and guess what it did, what it's supposed
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to do, it triggered legislation. Legislation came out of the
Senate in this case started there. Marco Rubio was the
initial sponsor. It was a small piece of legislation regarding
the AP issue that went into the Omnimous Bill, the
COVID Relief Omnimous Bill, which included the National Offense Authorization Act,
first piece of legislation ever in the history of this issue,
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and this was put in in July of twenty it
was signed at the end of the year. Since then,
there have been three more substantial, ever more substantial pieces
of legislation, including a massive bill that was so comprehensive
it had to be paired back because there were some
people not quite ready for that much bill.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
But it's been reintroduced, the Schumer Rounds Bill, right, the
one we've talked about many times. Yeah, that was going
to really make a big difference for us. But then
they ended up gutting that at the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Well, not gutting it. They let's just say that they
removed the pretty much removed the powers. In other words,
they left the intent of the bill there, but they
took away the powers of a review committee with the
president Presidential Review Committee or UFO Review Committee, as well
as the poena power, things like that, because it was
a little too soon, right, that's okay, little pushback. Nevertheless,
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the bill was resubmitted. It's going to be resubmitted again,
and that was the fourth piece of legislation. So all
the legislation, with the exception of i think the completion
of what they called, by the way, the UAP Disclosure Act.
That's not a trivial thing. They called it the UAP
Disclosure Act. On it was they thing called the UFO
Disclosure Act is because well, uf UAP is a preferred
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term amongst people of a political persuasion. That's fine. So
all of that is in place. Meanwhile, the briefings continue
to go on through those years, and so it was
inevitable that we were finally going to get some hearings. Now.
We got a very very modest hearing in twenty twenty one.
It was in the Senate Intel Committee moultrim Bray. Wasn't much,
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but it was the first hearing since nineteen sixty eight.
Since then there have been about eight of these quote hearings,
some limited, but two major. And it turns out that
the big player in this final Act is, of all things,
to House Oversight, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability,
a subcommittee of that of the main Committee that I
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think deals with security issues. National security issue that is
where it ends up the kind of lands in their lap. Now,
will other committees move in at some point, I don't know,
but they have been leading away now since twenty twenty three.
Because what triggered the first real hearing in the history
of this issue. I mean substance of hearing, not just
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a little briefing le Moultium since nineteen sixty eight, when
two very modest half day events took place, don't even
have I don't think we have video of it. Now
there is a record of it. Not a big deal
sixty eight. We're talking fifty five years was twenty twenty three.
And what triggered that hearing which happened to be in
the House Subcommittee of the Oversight Committee in this case,
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I think it was led by Burchitt and Grafmann. But
in any event, was that David Grush. When Grush came
forward as a true whistleblower, saying, I have been harassed
because I have done my job. My job was to
convey extraordinary information from first hand insiders within our use apps.
I gave it to the right people. Then I started
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getting serious problems. He went to the Inspector General. He
got relief. They investigated his statements that he was passing
on confirmed they were true, meaning they almost certainly talked
with the firsthand witnesses. And what was the issue that
he was bringing forward? Something that well, most of my
colleagues have known for decades. The United States has a
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crash retrieval program and a full out out science and
engineering reversal program and or discovery program from these vehicles
has been going on for seventy years.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You're mentioning that that's exactly right. And then you know,
since then, we've been seeing things just recently that we've
never seen before. Guy like hell Putoff came out and
said that very thing. He specifically said on Joe Rogan
that we the US government has ten or more more
than ten. I think he said crash retrievals from non
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human intelligence. Don't you think that that alone is also
an unprecedented?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Oh, there's so many unprecedented thinks that man, I should
make up a list. You'll make a good post on X.
You know, it's history unfolding rolling forward at a aty pace.
The historians will spend all kinds of hours writing extensive
volumes about all these things, and they'll they'll parse it out.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
But do you think it's significant. Can't the hell put
Off came forward like that?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Oh? Yeah, of course it is. What has happened is
a huge amount of effort, particularly starting in two late
twenty seventeen, has underway on the part of the citizens
on the part of the media, which is covering this
issue at a record pace, on the part of members
of Conference and so forth. A huge amount of pressure
has been put on the truth embargo as policy, and
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one of the outcomes of that is the stigma on
the subject is gone. You might as well be talking
about nuclear submarines or you know, some war somewhere in
the world. It is legitimized. There are people that try
to throw a little stigma in there, do a little ridicule,
doesn't go anywhere, get a lot of pushback. The stigma
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is basically gone. Now it's a new reality that not
everybody's adjusted to. But the fact is that there's no
reason for anybody to come. There's no fundamental other the
and security clearances and other arrangements they may have for anybody,
whether it's a PhD at Harvard or a major scientist
like Gary Nolan, or members of Congress, to come for
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it and simply talk about this matter of fact. And
at once the stigma dropped to practically zero. Theoretically it's
wide open for anybody. It feels like saying something and
guess what. The list of people that know about this
issue is large, and so it's not surprising that a
number of these people are saying something. It's only going
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to get bigger.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Hey, hold on, Steve, you've got to take a break. Break.
We will, but we'll come back. Let's take a break there.
When we come back, we're going to talk more with
Steve and find out what happened here on me. Back
on May first, they had a briefing and Steve will
get us up to speed on that. If you're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast network, we are back on Beyond Contact.
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We're talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, So back on Me first.
We didn't have a hearing, but we did get a
congressional briefing.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, it was a third party event that this happens.
Very few briefings on the hill are televised. Many hearings are,
but not briefings they don't get televised. Well, this was
live stream. Why because it was a third party event
paid for and funded by the UAP Disclosure Fund, the
second one that they had done. So they sponsored what
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amount of tude of kind of a round table in
which seven witnesses or seven individuals came in and in
three sessions they gave a brief presentation, and then one
of the UAP Disclosure Fund individuals asked them some key questions.
As it happened, there were three members of the committee
subcommittee sitting next to them, listening to all of it
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and available to answer a question. You had a packed
audience in the in this hearing room, big audience, and
it's live streamed, and so one of you and Christopher
Mellen gave a very strong presentation. So did Admiral Galadett.
Who is Eric Davis.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean he flat out said, point blank, we have
at least four different races. I mean, that's an incredible thing.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Well, Eric Davis, right now we're in the ray Burn
you know, we're in the Rayburn building. Right now. It's
Eric da Now. Eric Davis is in our world. Is
well known. He's been involved in a research of interesting
types going back forever, and he is in the famous.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Wilson Davis memo. He's that guy.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Most people may know him for the Wilson Davis memo,
but I assure you he has been talked about and
then been in books and so forth forever. He's an
inside guy. Who's also a lot outside, and so he's there,
which is the first time that I'm aware that he's
ever been under camera inside a congressional office building. And
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so it gets to him. Right, he gives his presentation,
which is pretty cool, and he gets asked a question
I think it was a representative of Burlison, and not shockingly,
he simply asked, well, I've heard that there's different kinds
of extaterrestrials. Remember we're we're in a committee room in
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the Rayburn Building on Capitol Hill. And Davis just turns
to and says, oh, yes, there's four kinds. There's the insectoids,
there's the reptoids, there are the I think he referred
basically was referring to the grays, and they're they're the Nordics.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I mean, this is an incredible why I'm surprised
it really didn't get more media attention, to be honest,
I mean, I can't believe that. Then start every news channel.
Hey in Congress, this guy said this.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well, there are a lot was said in that meeting.
The briefing was covered, not not a lot of coverage,
but I'd sure you it's it's archives on my website.
But a lot else has been going on simultaneous with that,
you may have noticed, and so it's really you're really
competing against a major breaking news and so but it's
on record, right I haven't I haven't searched for the
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video yet, but it's somewhere. It may be up on
the So what we need to do I'm buying my
colleagues to do this is get your editing software up,
go grab that thing, take that cliff out, and start
putting it out on social media. But again, this may
be the first time that anybody it ever on camera,
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has stated that there are more than one species here.
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
He just just vomited that out and it was like
matter of fact, and he was just like, don't matter
of fact, like and convinced and certain, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
And then it was over. Okay, But a lot of people,
most people in the artists, may not have realized how
significant it was. But it was the first time I believe,
ever on camera that anyone has referred to the the
group of species that are here. All right, again, how
could that have happened? It's only because the bar is
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now way down almost anybody can step over it and
the people inside that are managing the Truth and Bargo
who buy and large. Their job is to do what
you're supposed to do, which is when maintaining embargo, also
do their research, the science, the re engineering, whatever, maintain
the classification schema, get the money. All the people that
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run it, and particularly those individuals whose principal responsibility is
basically keeping it under wraps, or at least keeping the
wolves away from the door. I get that, and who
that is doesn't really matter. I call them the managers,
the Truth and Barbo managers. It's not the Illuminante. It's
not a group that meets at, you know, an evil
castle somewhere once a year. No, it's people that are
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working for the government, getting paid to government salary. They
know that the bar is completely dropped, that almost anybody
can step over any time. They know that the two
embargo was essentially what I like to call a walking,
a dead policy walking. That's a little harsh, but they
know it's kind of over. The trick is okay. But
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what do you do in otherwise? How does it finally
end up? What's the process and the dilemma for them,
it's a perfectly reasonable dilemma. Is that. The only way
the embargo ends appropriately and we enter the new era
is a head of state has got to confirm it.
And any head of state that does this, I assure
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you will have all the evidence you could possibly want.
I'm not saying the head of state will drag it
out with the announcement, but they'll immediately start having briefings
and people will be going to the briefing rooms at
all manner of things will start to emerge absolutely confirming
what this head of state is stated. The only way
that can happen. So far, no head of state has
ever done it. There are quite a few that could
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do it. I've talked about that for thirty years. The
ruler of China, the Soviet Union, the ruler of Russia
at any time could have done this. They chosen not to,
but they make you believe.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
It's Steve, do you think if the ruler of Russia
said that now that most Americans would believe it's true.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
It's a lot of question whether most Americans believe it's true.
It sets in motion an irreversible explosive process because whatever
head of state comes forward, it's not going to say, hey,
I'm just letting you know there's ets here. I'm not
taking any more questions, right, They're going to back it
up with the kind of evidence that they have within
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their their their their their country, and they I mean
one of these countries. The major countries have plenty, particularly Russia,
particularly China. They've got huh, they have their own vehicles.
There have been crashed vehicles in many countries. Right, this
has also been established. You don't hear as much about
them because well, those countries are more authoritative and so.
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But it could be the Prime Minister of the UK. Again,
it will be an announcement confirming the et presence a
suddenly is being backed up with evidence from that country.
Every other country is in the game, is going to
have to immediately respond. The United States can say, well,
apparently the Prime Minister of Canada, of rather the UK,
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they don't. They had a pub and lost it. No, No,
it's done at that moment. It's done. And then it's
a question of who can get out is the fastest.
You don't want to be the twenty third nation. It
finally confirms, oh, well, by the way, we do have
extraterrestrials here and they know this, right, I mean, believe me,
they are fully aware of this, all of the major certainly,
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let's just talk about the nuclear nations. Every one of
the nuclear nations knows that every other head of state
of the nuclear nations is fully aware of the at presidence.
And many of those countries too, have an ample amount of
evidence to absolutely confirm it. And just to add one,
just to mention one thing, every nation in this except
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some of the really kind of not developed nations that
may have an air force. I'm talking about the major
nations with real air forces that are designed to protect
their borders and so forth. Like if a fly over
the country and shoot them the finger they take, they
blow you out of the sky. Every one of those
nations has got reams of gun camera footage of intercepts
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by their defense planes. Where they go up, they see
these things, they film them. They film in several ways, right,
and then they store that footage they vaulted, right, They
don't put it out. They do it. They can't shoot
them down. I think they all know that, right, So
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maybe they've gotten lucky a couple of times, but they
certainly film the intercept and all of those are boulted.
How many films like that exist as could be in
the tens of thousands. The United States is loaded with it.
And so just on the basis of gun camera footage alone,
if somebody says, well, mister Prime Minister, you clearly are
having an episode, he says, tomorrow, We're going to show
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you forty five hours of gun camera footage of these things,
different crap, different type, in high quality four K. So
they all know that, and so when one of them breaks,
the other ones will follow. Now is it in the
advantage of the United States to be first? You bet
it is. Absolutely. We want to be the first nation
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to do this.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Steve will come back and I want you to tell
us why that is, because to me, I would think, well,
what's the difference, But I'm very curious to hear why.
So when we come back, we're talking more from Steve.
We're going to find that out. We're going to ask
him about some of the guys testifying inside these skiffs
as well. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
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back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking to Steve Bassett. So, Steve,
why is it important for the us to be first
to acknowledge the UAP realization.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Well, when I say that, I say that as an
American citizen first, Okay, as an American citizen knowing how
important this issue is. It would be quite a historical
moment for the United States, and we would be seen
as leading into the post disclosure world, which is going
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to be a whole The world is going to change
in a lot of ways. So there's that. But the
United States by and large has been the leader of
the truth embargo. It's certainly in all the non authoritarative,
authoritative countries. Won't call them the democracies, western boyblet, how
you want to call them. We've led on this and
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they have deferred to us. All right, is the nuclear power.
We've had the largest nuclear arsenal most of the last
twenty years. Right now, the United States and Russia are
virtually neck and neck, are out twelve thousand. I think
the Russia might be ahead by twenty nukes or something.
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The China has far less than that. And we defeated
the Axis powers in World War Two with the largest
economy in the world. And so for a lot of nations,
they would like to see a lot of nations would
like to see US lead on this, and our ability
to influence the post disclosure world will be a bit greater.
Now that assumes that the influence we exercise will be constructive,
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positive and going in the right direction. But if we
are not the first, then that's we're going to have
less influence. Whatever it's going to be, I think it's
in the best interest of all of the certainly democracies
that the US be first. However, or the Russia where
to go first, other heads of state will immediately follow,
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and so in a very short amount of time, maybe weeks,
it goes from being a Russia thing, or a US thing,
or a China thing to a global thing. But again,
if it's the US, I'm not going to complain, and
it's probably going to be the US because so much
has happened, particularly politically in the United States that as
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far as I'm concerned, there is no barrier now whatsoever
for our president to come forward and announce it tomorrow.
Now what do I mean by that in order for
a head of state, But let's just talk about our
president to be able to step out and say, yeah,
we got visitors, they've got tech, we've got some of
the tech. We're doing this, we're doing that. In order
to do that, a platform has to be built. They
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just can't walk out in the rose garden and just
kind of throw it out there. Yeah, we're not alone,
but I got another media to go to. I'll see
in a couple of weeks. No, it will not go well. Yeah,
And that platform primarily had to be built by the Congress.
The citizens have done their work, they have researched it
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to death. They've provided all kinds of massive amounts of
proof information. But then that information has got to get
to the Congress, and the Congress has to act on it.
That process really began for the first time in twenty eighteen,
so you know, it's it's been years of education going
on inside Congress, most of which we don't even know about,
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and finding the Congress has to get educated at the point, well,
it will actually hold hearings all right and pass legislation.
Well it did, Weltrie and Bray remember that. And then
we had the first legislation put forward July twenty twenty
by Rubio. And then that legislation will will advance further
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and expand, and then you'll have more hearings, and that
is the platform that the president has to have.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well hold on state. Every time we have one of
these hearings, it frustrates the heck out of all of
us because the guy will say, Oh, I can't tell
you here, I can't tell you here, I can't tell
you in an open forum. So we don't get any
of the good stuff. So supposedly these guys take them
in the skiffs. Has that been happening. I know that
as of recently, maybe it's happened in the last thirty days.
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David Grush has never even gone into a skiff, and
it's been two years since he appeared before Congress. So
what's going on with the skiffs.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
He was supposed to go in in the twenty seventh
of April, but they had to cancel it and then
they moved it to the end of May. But let's educate.
What is a skiff? You know what a skiff is.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I believe it's a secure area where you can talk.
There's no radios in there, there's no signal, there's no phone.
It's a private area where you can talk to somebody
off the you know, openly.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
No, you know, just yeah, that's it. But I got
a better explanation. It gets smart. It's the cone of silence.
It is the cone of silence. That's what it is.
It's simply a place where people who can say something
have the clearance to say something to people who have
the clearance to hear that something can be in a
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place where nobody else can hear it.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That's all right, now, isn't it true that some of
these Congress people don't have that clearance? Steven That's one
of the problems.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
There's clearance levels vary between Congress, depending upon whether what committee,
or on whether you're chairman or ranking, and whether you're
one of the So.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Somebody can get in there and hear all of this
from these guys.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Again, to somebody, Is there somebody in Congress with the
clearance to hear anything and everything from anybody? I don't know.
But it's then we make a big thing out of this.
Believe me, there have been plenty, plenty and plenty of
skiffs that we don't know about and we'll never know about.
But in this case, because the issue is so intensely
engaged by the public and the media, and because the
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members of Congress now are competing to get attention for
their efforts here because they see and this is very important,
very significant political capital coming from it. And so they're competing,
and so they're going to have a skiff. They want
to announce they're going to have one, And so the
skiff process is straightforward. Members of Congress, why would you
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do it? If you're if you're a part of a committee,
you bring key people in. They're able to tell you
things that they're not going to be able to say
in that hearing, even if you have the clearance to
hear it. But by by having it at least being
told to them where they can say it, you can
take you can use that information to make to decide
how to shape the hearing, who to bring, questions to ask,
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and do it right. It's all part of the process.
Nothing unusual about it. And so but in terms of
the managers of the truth embargo, obviously, if they have
the ability to influence avoiding a skiff happening, they're preventing
certain information from being given a member of Congress. There's
been some of that pushback, but they're losing. She's going
to hold this gift. She just announced it. It's going
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to happen she's announced two more hearing. I'm talking now
about Anna Paulina uh Luna.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yeah, that was going to be in May. It was
going to be on I think, and then they moved
it to what July.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
It's gonna be non June. I believe it's gonna be sometime. First.
They need the skiff. That's one of the reasons they
delayed too. They didn't get the skiff on the twenty
seventh of April. So and and here's another unprecedented thing.
Annapoline a Luna is trying to get this skiff and
holding more herrings. Why because they set up the first
task force ever in the Congress on this issue. The
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task force this is his name, to declassify government secrets. Okay,
this is a task force that could easily take fifty
billion bucks and work for the next twenty years. That's
how many government secrets they are. But this was specifically
set up to get after the UEP issue, but for
obvious political reasons, they included the JFK records a RFK
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and so forth. And so they are they're building a
truth movement here and they and she was made the
chairman of that task force with potential of pi subpoena
power if it's provided by Comer, who's the chairman of
the committee. And so this task force all new thing.
And now that is also part of what's going on
now when you add all of this together and the
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statement's being made publicly Burchett and others, and Davis and
put Off and Gary Nolan, who's gone on Fox News
I think and said there's ets here. Right, you add
all this together and the platform is built. The president
can walk on that platform tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
So what do you think is going to happen now?
Do you think we're going to get more We keep
hearing there's more whistleblowers standing by to come forward. Do
you think that this is just a building up momentum
like a big wave, and eventually it will lead to
disclosures that you're training whistleblowers.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
We're witness and not all our whistle blowers. Most are witnesses.
But it's raining witnesses and whistleblowers can't keep up. There
may be an odd you know off, you know not,
and there may be an odd doubt a person coming
forward that's really not Legit doesn't matter, but they're coming forward.
I haven't got time to analyze them. The Internet analyzism.
So you come forward and the Internet immediately dives in
(30:01):
there and takes every heart. Yeah, thanks, you out. And
so you know, if you want to fake the all
witness thing, go ahead, But I'm telling you, by the
time the Internet gets done with you, you're just gonna
limp off into the sunset. So they're coming forward fast.
Ninety percent of everything is probably legit.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
It is very telling. We need to stop here, Steve.
We're going to come back, have one more, one more
segment with Steve Gast. You are listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
(30:56):
We are back on Beyond Contact. Captain Ron here talking
to Steve Bassett. So, Steve, where are you at now?
You think that that was the first little canary in
the coal mine, that's.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
The fiftieth canary in a coal mine? Okay? It was
for me the definitive confirmation of what I believe is happening.
And so now the stage is set and the truth
of the fact the matter is is that the ability
of those within that are managing the truth and barbo,
(31:27):
whether it they're at the d I A seek the
Tartner defense defense, whether at the CIA, whether they're in
a defense contractor or over the Atomic Energy Commission, whatever,
the ability of them to keep this under reps is
virtually collapsed, and I think they know that it's only
a matter of time now. Now there's a number of
(31:48):
reasons to stall a little bit. Some stalling maybe because
there are a lot of things going on in the
world that are pretty dangerous. All right, well, I'll question
serious stuff, and some may say like hold off, hold
off a little longer. Maybe because some of these things
settled down a little bit, I can get that others
are gonna are gonna would like to stall because they're
(32:08):
not ready to retire yet and they're really not looking
forward to answer answering any questions after disclosure takes place.
I mean a lot. We're gonna take a vacation. They're
going to go, you know, to Europe for a while,
because there are a bazillion questions that are going to
be asked over and over again of anybody and everybody
connected to this issue, past or present, and.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Lawsuits file right now, and lawsuits filed.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I don't think so. No, no, no, you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Ruined my grandfather's life. He saw the thing at Roswell.
You condemned him, you told him he couldn't talk, you
swore him the secrecy. He sat in the chair and
didn't move for twenty years. That would really like a
lot of people.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Now, it's going to be like, you know, Mike, you
know you you've drafted my grandfather and sent him off
to World War two and he was killed. I'm suing you. No,
the truth embargo, everything about is a absolute national security
government policy, and everything that was done is in service
to that policy, and so suing it would be an
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utter waste of time.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
You insulate some from that from what about the idea
that people like doctor Greer say that these unacknowledged projects
aren't with congressional oversight, which is not part of our
constitution and therefore illegal.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Fine, then let him litigate that. But what you were
complying was they'll just be you know, it's going to
be reigning lawsuits. No, it's not. And one of the
reasons is this, This is a profound, transformative event of
unprecedented implications, the biggest paradigm shift in history ever. Yeah,
most everybody, with a few exceptions, are going to be
(33:44):
absolutely focused on one thing. How much more can you
tell me? What do you have? What do you know?
What about the tech? How can that help us? Right?
What are these beings like? What's going on? Not? Who
can I sue? I assure you. And so it's it's
going to be. That is not going to be an issue.
And so they they and so the ones that are
(34:06):
stalling is because they some are stalling because they don't
want to ask the answer the tough question. I don't
blame them, but it'll be it'll be better than they think.
Right netherwords, most people are mad now, not because we
haven't we don't know that there's any presence, because a
lot of people absolutely know. I know, but because they've
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lied for so long that they've kept it from them
that they it's incredibly frustrating, And it is. It is
probably the problem. It's it's it's it's undermining trusting government
and so forth. Most people are mad about being lied
to for seventy eight years.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
This is what I'm getting at. What if they say, okay,
and now we've got these craft and now we have
free energy, Well, you've kept that from us and made
us burn all this oil and spend all this money
and pollute the planet. That that, to me is a
heck of a backlash.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Let us simply say that some intellectuals and some app
them thinks we'll talk about that. Some people will raise
the point, but they're going to be much more interested
in if you're right, when does the free energy get
hooked up. It's just then the frustration that is built
up over the decades, which is great, there's no question
about it. It just lets the air out of it.
(35:19):
Once the confirmation comes, the frustration is over. We've got it. Okay,
it was unpleasant, I'm angry. I wish my dad could
have seen it, and so forth and so forth. But
that is true life. You can list a thousand things
that way. What if we didn't Now, I don't want
to go there. But the point is that I'm not
worried about the post disclosure world on the public side.
(35:39):
What I'm worried about is what the big players, the
big institutions, the big corporations and governments do post disclosure,
and that's where the public has got to get involved.
That's my work. Paradigm Research Group is helping to inform
the public and also helping to point out what they
should do. Danny Shean's doing the same thing, and others
are doing the same thing. You've got a power. Shit,
(36:00):
what are you going to do with it? Right? Can
you handle it? Are you going to just go back
to just, you know whatever, let the government read to
build the nuke the post paradigm world like the old one,
or are you going to try to make sure that
whatever is encapsulated in this extraordinary change will be used
to benefit us. This is going to be a moment
in history unlike any we've ever seen. We're going to
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be able to be part of it. The question is
are you ready to be part of it? And how
it ultimately turns out? I don't know, But there's one
thing I do know. One of the reasons we must
get this done is because we're closing in on a
nuclear event. It's going to happen, probably even if we
get disclosure. Somebody's gonna nukee somebody. It's just literally right
there in front of us, and it's almost understood, and
(36:45):
that would be bad. If we have a new before disclosure,
it's going to be worse. God knows where it's going
to go. But if we get disclosure and we've moved
into that world, that post disclosure world, when okay, we're
not alone, God knows what's out there. We're going to
learn a lot. The future looks very interesting. And a
nuke event takes place because some idiot gets drunk and
(37:06):
launches a tactical shell, the response will be better. We
will deal with it better. We'll step back and say, okay,
that was bad. You killed a lot of people there
in that city. We have stupid mistake, but we're not
going to all go nuts and start firing off news.
In other words, the post disposure world is absolutely essential
for a lot of reasons, not the least that you.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Don't think that would happen in a predisclosure world.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
That a new event at any time. I mean, so
many high level people have been kept telling us this
and talking about it and writing about it. So many
high officials in Russia have actually said they're willing to
do it. All right, So what right? Yeah, it's really close.
The people that are in the know know this. The
(37:55):
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists moved that clock to sixty and
then fifty nine sectors of midnight for a reason. We
are very close. People don't like to think about it.
I get that it's really bad. But the truth is,
if you objectively look at what's going on right now,
it could happen tomorrow. There are tactical nuclear shells in
the field, and a nuclear shell doesn't make a huge explosion,
(38:18):
but it's a nuclear event. What's the response going to be.
We've never had to deal with that. We've gotten away
with this for seventy eight years to eighty years, since
we dropped two nukes in Japan and killed two hundred
thousand people. Boom like that, we've managed to avoid and
(38:38):
we think, well, since we've avoided it for seventy eight years,
it could never happen wrong. Things have gotten worse. Before
the Cold War ended, we had probably less chance of
a nuclear war in those last couple of years, and
we have now. The world right now is far more
unstable than it was in nineteen eighty seven or eighty eight.
The number of nukes has gone down, but the delivery
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systems cut really hot, and better delivery systems means more
first strike capability. First strike capability is the most aaronoic
thing you can imagine. Country A knows that Country B's
got a first strike that could hit you before you
can respond Country B knows the same thing. Maybe we
should start first. Hypersonic delivery systems insane. Yeah, my job
(39:23):
is to pay attention to this and to tell it now.
If you want to get it from Zahei Sikari, you're
not going to get it. If you're going to get
it from some of the other standard people online, you're
not going to talk about this. They just can't. I'm
not criticizing them. I'm simply saying that this is a
scary world and there's not much benefit to your career
or your paycheck by going on TV and telling people
(39:45):
how period is.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Steve a lot of time here, brother, We got to stop,
but I appreciate you getting us all updated again, and
I'm sure we'll have you back and go over more
as this continues to move forward.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'm waiting for that podcast to change his name, your
podcast to a this gloat.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I would love to see it, my brother. All right,
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
going to be speaking with our friend Steve Bassett. Steve's
the executive director of the Paradigm Research Group, which he
founded back in nineteen ninety six to end the government
imposed embargo on the truth behind the extraterrestrial related phenomenon.
It was then that he also became a registered lobbyist
for the UAP subject. There's been so much happening these
(01:32):
last couple of months, it's unbelievable. It's very hard to
keep up, and no one is on top of this
stuff as much as Steve is. So I thought, you know,
he archives this stuff on his website, Paradigmresearchgroup dot org.
I thought would bring him in and try to make
sense of all of this. Hey, Steve, how are we doing?
Is your head spinning there in Washington?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Everybody's head is spinning here in Washington, just spinning heads.
It's interesting times you live in, my friend, so enjoy them.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
What is where's con uber right now? With this issue?
It seems like more and more people are addressing this
in a serious way. Where do you think Congress sits
right now?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Well, it's it's engaging at a level that we've never
seen before. It's been doing it for years. So yeah,
Congress is very much involved. A lot of that is known.
We're seeing it happen. They're getting interviews, they're on camera,
they're going on media. But there are plenty of other
members of Congress. I can assure you that are engaging
(02:29):
this issue by not saying anything about it. They're reading up,
they're paying attention to what the other members of Congress
are doing. In other words, the ones that are out
front now are leading the way for the rest who
are not quite ready to jump in. But it's well,
it's the biggest issue out there in the world as
far as I'm concerned, So it will happen. So congressionally,
we're in a very very good shape. And the name
(02:51):
of your show, beyond contact is totally appropriate. We've had contact,
We've had tons of contact, ask any contact e and
so as a result, we are beyond contact but before disclosure.
So there's huge numbers of people in the world that
know that they're here, and many have had actual direct
(03:12):
contact called contact ease, but we haven't gotten a confirmation
from the heads of state. That's a political matter. Naturally,
it takes forever, and it has we're now in our
seventy eighth year. But finally the Congress started getting involved
right around two thousand and early twenty eighteen, when people
who had come out in twenty seventeen, particularly Christopher Melan,
(03:34):
Luel Azando and some others, started taking witnesses up on
the hill. It was a logical first step, quietly, no publicity,
taking them on the hill, having them sit with certain
members of key committees to talk about what they know,
so that these members could get enough up speed to
be able to decide what to do. This went on
(03:55):
through all of nineteen, it went on into twenty. How
many of these meetings took place, don't know. They were
not public, but I think a decent amount were. The
focus was certainly the Intel Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee
in the Senate, and maybe the same in the House,
though apparently some people on the Oversight Committee in the
House got free. And at some point it reached a
critical mass and guess what it did, what it's supposed
(04:18):
to do, it triggered legislation. Legislation came out of the
Senate in this case started there. Marco Rubio was the
initial sponsor. It was a small piece of legislation regarding
the AP issue that went into the Omnimous Bill, the
COVID Relief Omnimous Bill, which included the National Offense Authorization Act,
first piece of legislation ever in the history of this issue,
(04:42):
and this was put in in July of twenty it
was signed at the end of the year. Since then,
there have been three more substantial, ever more substantial pieces
of legislation, including a massive bill that was so comprehensive
it had to be paired back because there were some
people not quite ready for that much bill.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
But it's been reintroduced, the Schumer Rounds Bill, right, the
one we've talked about many times. Yeah, that was going
to really make a big difference for us. But then
they ended up gutting that at the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Well, not gutting it. They let's just say that they
removed the pretty much removed the powers. In other words,
they left the intent of the bill there, but they
took away the powers of a review committee with the
president Presidential Review Committee or UFO Review Committee, as well
as the poena power, things like that, because it was
a little too soon, right, that's okay, little pushback. Nevertheless,
(05:31):
the bill was resubmitted. It's going to be resubmitted again,
and that was the fourth piece of legislation. So all
the legislation, with the exception of i think the completion
of what they called, by the way, the UAP Disclosure Act.
That's not a trivial thing. They called it the UAP
Disclosure Act. On it was they thing called the UFO
Disclosure Act is because well, uf UAP is a preferred
(05:52):
term amongst people of a political persuasion. That's fine. So
all of that is in place. Meanwhile, the briefings continue
to go on through those years, and so it was
inevitable that we were finally going to get some hearings. Now.
We got a very very modest hearing in twenty twenty one.
It was in the Senate Intel Committee moultrim Bray. Wasn't much,
(06:15):
but it was the first hearing since nineteen sixty eight.
Since then there have been about eight of these quote hearings,
some limited, but two major. And it turns out that
the big player in this final Act is, of all things,
to House Oversight, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability,
a subcommittee of that of the main Committee that I
(06:38):
think deals with security issues. National security issue that is
where it ends up the kind of lands in their lap. Now,
will other committees move in at some point, I don't know,
but they have been leading away now since twenty twenty three.
Because what triggered the first real hearing in the history
of this issue. I mean substance of hearing, not just
(06:58):
a little briefing le Moultium since nineteen sixty eight, when
two very modest half day events took place, don't even
have I don't think we have video of it. Now
there is a record of it. Not a big deal
sixty eight. We're talking fifty five years was twenty twenty three.
And what triggered that hearing which happened to be in
the House Subcommittee of the Oversight Committee in this case,
(07:19):
I think it was led by Burchitt and Grafmann. But
in any event, was that David Grush. When Grush came
forward as a true whistleblower, saying, I have been harassed
because I have done my job. My job was to
convey extraordinary information from first hand insiders within our use apps.
I gave it to the right people. Then I started
(07:40):
getting serious problems. He went to the Inspector General. He
got relief. They investigated his statements that he was passing
on confirmed they were true, meaning they almost certainly talked
with the firsthand witnesses. And what was the issue that
he was bringing forward? Something that well, most of my
colleagues have known for decades. The United States has a
(08:00):
crash retrieval program and a full out out science and
engineering reversal program and or discovery program from these vehicles
has been going on for seventy years.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You're mentioning that that's exactly right. And then you know,
since then, we've been seeing things just recently that we've
never seen before. Guy like hell Putoff came out and
said that very thing. He specifically said on Joe Rogan
that we the US government has ten or more more
than ten. I think he said crash retrievals from non
(08:36):
human intelligence. Don't you think that that alone is also
an unprecedented?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Oh, there's so many unprecedented thinks that man, I should
make up a list. You'll make a good post on X.
You know, it's history unfolding rolling forward at a aty pace.
The historians will spend all kinds of hours writing extensive
volumes about all these things, and they'll they'll parse it out.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
But do you think it's significant. Can't the hell put
Off came forward like that?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Oh? Yeah, of course it is. What has happened is
a huge amount of effort, particularly starting in two late
twenty seventeen, has underway on the part of the citizens
on the part of the media, which is covering this
issue at a record pace, on the part of members
of Conference and so forth. A huge amount of pressure
has been put on the truth embargo as policy, and
(09:26):
one of the outcomes of that is the stigma on
the subject is gone. You might as well be talking
about nuclear submarines or you know, some war somewhere in
the world. It is legitimized. There are people that try
to throw a little stigma in there, do a little ridicule,
doesn't go anywhere, get a lot of pushback. The stigma
(09:47):
is basically gone. Now it's a new reality that not
everybody's adjusted to. But the fact is that there's no
reason for anybody to come. There's no fundamental other the
and security clearances and other arrangements they may have for anybody,
whether it's a PhD at Harvard or a major scientist
like Gary Nolan, or members of Congress, to come for
(10:09):
it and simply talk about this matter of fact. And
at once the stigma dropped to practically zero. Theoretically it's
wide open for anybody. It feels like saying something and
guess what. The list of people that know about this
issue is large, and so it's not surprising that a
number of these people are saying something. It's only going
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to get bigger.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Hey, hold on, Steve, you've got to take a break. Break.
We will, but we'll come back. Let's take a break there.
When we come back, we're going to talk more with
Steve and find out what happened here on me. Back
on May first, they had a briefing and Steve will
get us up to speed on that. If you're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast network, we are back on Beyond Contact.
(11:08):
We're talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, So back on Me first.
We didn't have a hearing, but we did get a
congressional briefing.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, it was a third party event that this happens.
Very few briefings on the hill are televised. Many hearings are,
but not briefings they don't get televised. Well, this was
live stream. Why because it was a third party event
paid for and funded by the UAP Disclosure Fund, the
second one that they had done. So they sponsored what
(11:35):
amount of tude of kind of a round table in
which seven witnesses or seven individuals came in and in
three sessions they gave a brief presentation, and then one
of the UAP Disclosure Fund individuals asked them some key questions.
As it happened, there were three members of the committee
subcommittee sitting next to them, listening to all of it
(11:58):
and available to answer a question. You had a packed
audience in the in this hearing room, big audience, and
it's live streamed, and so one of you and Christopher
Mellen gave a very strong presentation. So did Admiral Galadett.
Who is Eric Davis.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean he flat out said, point blank, we have
at least four different races. I mean, that's an incredible thing.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Well, Eric Davis, right now we're in the ray Burn
you know, we're in the Rayburn building. Right now. It's
Eric da Now. Eric Davis is in our world. Is
well known. He's been involved in a research of interesting
types going back forever, and he is in the famous.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Wilson Davis memo. He's that guy.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Most people may know him for the Wilson Davis memo,
but I assure you he has been talked about and
then been in books and so forth forever. He's an
inside guy. Who's also a lot outside, and so he's there,
which is the first time that I'm aware that he's
ever been under camera inside a congressional office building. And
(13:00):
so it gets to him. Right, he gives his presentation,
which is pretty cool, and he gets asked a question
I think it was a representative of Burlison, and not shockingly,
he simply asked, well, I've heard that there's different kinds
of extaterrestrials. Remember we're we're in a committee room in
(13:20):
the Rayburn Building on Capitol Hill. And Davis just turns
to and says, oh, yes, there's four kinds. There's the insectoids,
there's the reptoids, there are the I think he referred
basically was referring to the grays, and they're they're the Nordics.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I mean, this is an incredible why I'm surprised
it really didn't get more media attention, to be honest,
I mean, I can't believe that. Then start every news channel.
Hey in Congress, this guy said this.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well, there are a lot was said in that meeting.
The briefing was covered, not not a lot of coverage,
but I'd sure you it's it's archives on my website.
But a lot else has been going on simultaneous with that,
you may have noticed, and so it's really you're really
competing against a major breaking news and so but it's
on record, right I haven't I haven't searched for the
(14:10):
video yet, but it's somewhere. It may be up on
the So what we need to do I'm buying my
colleagues to do this is get your editing software up,
go grab that thing, take that cliff out, and start
putting it out on social media. But again, this may
be the first time that anybody it ever on camera,
(14:31):
has stated that there are more than one species here.
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
He just just vomited that out and it was like
matter of fact, and he was just like, don't matter
of fact, like and convinced and certain, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
And then it was over. Okay, But a lot of people,
most people in the artists, may not have realized how
significant it was. But it was the first time I believe,
ever on camera that anyone has referred to the the
group of species that are here. All right, again, how
could that have happened? It's only because the bar is
(15:08):
now way down almost anybody can step over it and
the people inside that are managing the Truth and Bargo
who buy and large. Their job is to do what
you're supposed to do, which is when maintaining embargo, also
do their research, the science, the re engineering, whatever, maintain
the classification schema, get the money. All the people that
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run it, and particularly those individuals whose principal responsibility is
basically keeping it under wraps, or at least keeping the
wolves away from the door. I get that, and who
that is doesn't really matter. I call them the managers,
the Truth and Barbo managers. It's not the Illuminante. It's
not a group that meets at, you know, an evil
castle somewhere once a year. No, it's people that are
(15:51):
working for the government, getting paid to government salary. They
know that the bar is completely dropped, that almost anybody
can step over any time. They know that the two
embargo was essentially what I like to call a walking,
a dead policy walking. That's a little harsh, but they
know it's kind of over. The trick is okay. But
(16:12):
what do you do in otherwise? How does it finally
end up? What's the process and the dilemma for them,
it's a perfectly reasonable dilemma. Is that. The only way
the embargo ends appropriately and we enter the new era
is a head of state has got to confirm it.
And any head of state that does this, I assure
(16:33):
you will have all the evidence you could possibly want.
I'm not saying the head of state will drag it
out with the announcement, but they'll immediately start having briefings
and people will be going to the briefing rooms at
all manner of things will start to emerge absolutely confirming
what this head of state is stated. The only way
that can happen. So far, no head of state has
ever done it. There are quite a few that could
(16:54):
do it. I've talked about that for thirty years. The
ruler of China, the Soviet Union, the ruler of Russia
at any time could have done this. They chosen not to,
but they make you believe.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
It's Steve, do you think if the ruler of Russia
said that now that most Americans would believe it's true.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
It's a lot of question whether most Americans believe it's true.
It sets in motion an irreversible explosive process because whatever
head of state comes forward, it's not going to say, hey,
I'm just letting you know there's ets here. I'm not
taking any more questions, right, They're going to back it
up with the kind of evidence that they have within
(17:33):
their their their their their country, and they I mean
one of these countries. The major countries have plenty, particularly Russia,
particularly China. They've got huh, they have their own vehicles.
There have been crashed vehicles in many countries. Right, this
has also been established. You don't hear as much about
them because well, those countries are more authoritative and so.
(17:53):
But it could be the Prime Minister of the UK. Again,
it will be an announcement confirming the et presence a
suddenly is being backed up with evidence from that country.
Every other country is in the game, is going to
have to immediately respond. The United States can say, well,
apparently the Prime Minister of Canada, of rather the UK,
(18:14):
they don't. They had a pub and lost it. No, No,
it's done at that moment. It's done. And then it's
a question of who can get out is the fastest.
You don't want to be the twenty third nation. It
finally confirms, oh, well, by the way, we do have
extraterrestrials here and they know this, right, I mean, believe me,
they are fully aware of this, all of the major certainly,
(18:37):
let's just talk about the nuclear nations. Every one of
the nuclear nations knows that every other head of state
of the nuclear nations is fully aware of the at presidence.
And many of those countries too, have an ample amount of
evidence to absolutely confirm it. And just to add one,
just to mention one thing, every nation in this except
(18:58):
some of the really kind of not developed nations that
may have an air force. I'm talking about the major
nations with real air forces that are designed to protect
their borders and so forth. Like if a fly over
the country and shoot them the finger they take, they
blow you out of the sky. Every one of those
nations has got reams of gun camera footage of intercepts
(19:18):
by their defense planes. Where they go up, they see
these things, they film them. They film in several ways, right,
and then they store that footage they vaulted, right, They
don't put it out. They do it. They can't shoot
them down. I think they all know that, right, So
(19:39):
maybe they've gotten lucky a couple of times, but they
certainly film the intercept and all of those are boulted.
How many films like that exist as could be in
the tens of thousands. The United States is loaded with it.
And so just on the basis of gun camera footage alone,
if somebody says, well, mister Prime Minister, you clearly are
having an episode, he says, tomorrow, We're going to show
(20:01):
you forty five hours of gun camera footage of these things,
different crap, different type, in high quality four K. So
they all know that, and so when one of them breaks,
the other ones will follow. Now is it in the
advantage of the United States to be first? You bet
it is. Absolutely. We want to be the first nation
(20:26):
to do this.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Steve will come back and I want you to tell
us why that is, because to me, I would think, well,
what's the difference, But I'm very curious to hear why.
So when we come back, we're talking more from Steve.
We're going to find that out. We're going to ask
him about some of the guys testifying inside these skiffs
as well. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
(21:04):
back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking to Steve Bassett. So, Steve,
why is it important for the us to be first
to acknowledge the UAP realization.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Well, when I say that, I say that as an
American citizen first, Okay, as an American citizen knowing how
important this issue is. It would be quite a historical
moment for the United States, and we would be seen
as leading into the post disclosure world, which is going
(21:37):
to be a whole The world is going to change
in a lot of ways. So there's that. But the
United States by and large has been the leader of
the truth embargo. It's certainly in all the non authoritarative,
authoritative countries. Won't call them the democracies, western boyblet, how
you want to call them. We've led on this and
(21:58):
they have deferred to us. All right, is the nuclear power.
We've had the largest nuclear arsenal most of the last
twenty years. Right now, the United States and Russia are
virtually neck and neck, are out twelve thousand. I think
the Russia might be ahead by twenty nukes or something.
(22:19):
The China has far less than that. And we defeated
the Axis powers in World War Two with the largest
economy in the world. And so for a lot of nations,
they would like to see a lot of nations would
like to see US lead on this, and our ability
to influence the post disclosure world will be a bit greater.
Now that assumes that the influence we exercise will be constructive,
(22:43):
positive and going in the right direction. But if we
are not the first, then that's we're going to have
less influence. Whatever it's going to be, I think it's
in the best interest of all of the certainly democracies
that the US be first. However, or the Russia where
to go first, other heads of state will immediately follow,
(23:05):
and so in a very short amount of time, maybe weeks,
it goes from being a Russia thing, or a US thing,
or a China thing to a global thing. But again,
if it's the US, I'm not going to complain, and
it's probably going to be the US because so much
has happened, particularly politically in the United States that as
(23:27):
far as I'm concerned, there is no barrier now whatsoever
for our president to come forward and announce it tomorrow.
Now what do I mean by that in order for
a head of state, But let's just talk about our
president to be able to step out and say, yeah,
we got visitors, they've got tech, we've got some of
the tech. We're doing this, we're doing that. In order
to do that, a platform has to be built. They
(23:50):
just can't walk out in the rose garden and just
kind of throw it out there. Yeah, we're not alone,
but I got another media to go to. I'll see
in a couple of weeks. No, it will not go well. Yeah,
And that platform primarily had to be built by the Congress.
The citizens have done their work, they have researched it
(24:11):
to death. They've provided all kinds of massive amounts of
proof information. But then that information has got to get
to the Congress, and the Congress has to act on it.
That process really began for the first time in twenty eighteen,
so you know, it's it's been years of education going
on inside Congress, most of which we don't even know about,
(24:31):
and finding the Congress has to get educated at the point, well,
it will actually hold hearings all right and pass legislation.
Well it did, Weltrie and Bray remember that. And then
we had the first legislation put forward July twenty twenty
by Rubio. And then that legislation will will advance further
(24:52):
and expand, and then you'll have more hearings, and that
is the platform that the president has to have.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well hold on state. Every time we have one of
these hearings, it frustrates the heck out of all of
us because the guy will say, Oh, I can't tell
you here, I can't tell you here, I can't tell
you in an open forum. So we don't get any
of the good stuff. So supposedly these guys take them
in the skiffs. Has that been happening. I know that
as of recently, maybe it's happened in the last thirty days.
(25:19):
David Grush has never even gone into a skiff, and
it's been two years since he appeared before Congress. So
what's going on with the skiffs.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
He was supposed to go in in the twenty seventh
of April, but they had to cancel it and then
they moved it to the end of May. But let's educate.
What is a skiff? You know what a skiff is.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I believe it's a secure area where you can talk.
There's no radios in there, there's no signal, there's no phone.
It's a private area where you can talk to somebody
off the you know, openly.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
No, you know, just yeah, that's it. But I got
a better explanation. It gets smart. It's the cone of silence.
It is the cone of silence. That's what it is.
It's simply a place where people who can say something
have the clearance to say something to people who have
the clearance to hear that something can be in a
(26:06):
place where nobody else can hear it.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That's all right, now, isn't it true that some of
these Congress people don't have that clearance? Steven That's one
of the problems.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
There's clearance levels vary between Congress, depending upon whether what committee,
or on whether you're chairman or ranking, and whether you're
one of the So.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Somebody can get in there and hear all of this
from these guys.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Again, to somebody, Is there somebody in Congress with the
clearance to hear anything and everything from anybody? I don't know.
But it's then we make a big thing out of this.
Believe me, there have been plenty, plenty and plenty of
skiffs that we don't know about and we'll never know about.
But in this case, because the issue is so intensely
engaged by the public and the media, and because the
(26:49):
members of Congress now are competing to get attention for
their efforts here because they see and this is very important,
very significant political capital coming from it. And so they're competing,
and so they're going to have a skiff. They want
to announce they're going to have one, And so the
skiff process is straightforward. Members of Congress, why would you
(27:10):
do it? If you're if you're a part of a committee,
you bring key people in. They're able to tell you
things that they're not going to be able to say
in that hearing, even if you have the clearance to
hear it. But by by having it at least being
told to them where they can say it, you can
take you can use that information to make to decide
how to shape the hearing, who to bring, questions to ask,
(27:32):
and do it right. It's all part of the process.
Nothing unusual about it. And so but in terms of
the managers of the truth embargo, obviously, if they have
the ability to influence avoiding a skiff happening, they're preventing
certain information from being given a member of Congress. There's
been some of that pushback, but they're losing. She's going
to hold this gift. She just announced it. It's going
(27:53):
to happen she's announced two more hearing. I'm talking now
about Anna Paulina uh Luna.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yeah, that was going to be in May. It was
going to be on I think, and then they moved
it to what July.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
It's gonna be non June. I believe it's gonna be sometime. First.
They need the skiff. That's one of the reasons they
delayed too. They didn't get the skiff on the twenty
seventh of April. So and and here's another unprecedented thing.
Annapoline a Luna is trying to get this skiff and
holding more herrings. Why because they set up the first
task force ever in the Congress on this issue. The
(28:22):
task force this is his name, to declassify government secrets. Okay,
this is a task force that could easily take fifty
billion bucks and work for the next twenty years. That's
how many government secrets they are. But this was specifically
set up to get after the UEP issue, but for
obvious political reasons, they included the JFK records a RFK
(28:45):
and so forth. And so they are they're building a
truth movement here and they and she was made the
chairman of that task force with potential of pi subpoena
power if it's provided by Comer, who's the chairman of
the committee. And so this task force all new thing.
And now that is also part of what's going on
now when you add all of this together and the
(29:07):
statement's being made publicly Burchett and others, and Davis and
put Off and Gary Nolan, who's gone on Fox News
I think and said there's ets here. Right, you add
all this together and the platform is built. The president
can walk on that platform tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
So what do you think is going to happen now?
Do you think we're going to get more We keep
hearing there's more whistleblowers standing by to come forward. Do
you think that this is just a building up momentum
like a big wave, and eventually it will lead to
disclosures that you're training whistleblowers.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
We're witness and not all our whistle blowers. Most are witnesses.
But it's raining witnesses and whistleblowers can't keep up. There
may be an odd you know off, you know not,
and there may be an odd doubt a person coming
forward that's really not Legit doesn't matter, but they're coming forward.
I haven't got time to analyze them. The Internet analyzism.
So you come forward and the Internet immediately dives in
(30:01):
there and takes every heart. Yeah, thanks, you out. And
so you know, if you want to fake the all
witness thing, go ahead, But I'm telling you, by the
time the Internet gets done with you, you're just gonna
limp off into the sunset. So they're coming forward fast.
Ninety percent of everything is probably legit.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
It is very telling. We need to stop here, Steve.
We're going to come back, have one more, one more
segment with Steve Gast. You are listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
(30:56):
We are back on Beyond Contact. Captain Ron here talking
to Steve Bassett. So, Steve, where are you at now?
You think that that was the first little canary in
the coal mine, that's.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
The fiftieth canary in a coal mine? Okay? It was
for me the definitive confirmation of what I believe is happening.
And so now the stage is set and the truth
of the fact the matter is is that the ability
of those within that are managing the truth and barbo,
(31:27):
whether it they're at the d I A seek the
Tartner defense defense, whether at the CIA, whether they're in
a defense contractor or over the Atomic Energy Commission, whatever,
the ability of them to keep this under reps is
virtually collapsed, and I think they know that it's only
a matter of time now. Now there's a number of
(31:48):
reasons to stall a little bit. Some stalling maybe because
there are a lot of things going on in the
world that are pretty dangerous. All right, well, I'll question
serious stuff, and some may say like hold off, hold
off a little longer. Maybe because some of these things
settled down a little bit, I can get that others
are gonna are gonna would like to stall because they're
(32:08):
not ready to retire yet and they're really not looking
forward to answer answering any questions after disclosure takes place.
I mean a lot. We're gonna take a vacation. They're
going to go, you know, to Europe for a while,
because there are a bazillion questions that are going to
be asked over and over again of anybody and everybody
connected to this issue, past or present, and.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Lawsuits file right now, and lawsuits filed.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I don't think so. No, no, no, you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Ruined my grandfather's life. He saw the thing at Roswell.
You condemned him, you told him he couldn't talk, you
swore him the secrecy. He sat in the chair and
didn't move for twenty years. That would really like a
lot of people.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Now, it's going to be like, you know, Mike, you
know you you've drafted my grandfather and sent him off
to World War two and he was killed. I'm suing you. No,
the truth embargo, everything about is a absolute national security
government policy, and everything that was done is in service
to that policy, and so suing it would be an
(33:09):
utter waste of time.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
You insulate some from that from what about the idea
that people like doctor Greer say that these unacknowledged projects
aren't with congressional oversight, which is not part of our
constitution and therefore illegal.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Fine, then let him litigate that. But what you were
complying was they'll just be you know, it's going to
be reigning lawsuits. No, it's not. And one of the
reasons is this, This is a profound, transformative event of
unprecedented implications, the biggest paradigm shift in history ever. Yeah,
most everybody, with a few exceptions, are going to be
(33:44):
absolutely focused on one thing. How much more can you
tell me? What do you have? What do you know?
What about the tech? How can that help us? Right?
What are these beings like? What's going on? Not? Who
can I sue? I assure you. And so it's it's
going to be. That is not going to be an issue.
And so they they and so the ones that are
(34:06):
stalling is because they some are stalling because they don't
want to ask the answer the tough question. I don't
blame them, but it'll be it'll be better than they think.
Right netherwords, most people are mad now, not because we
haven't we don't know that there's any presence, because a
lot of people absolutely know. I know, but because they've
(34:28):
lied for so long that they've kept it from them
that they it's incredibly frustrating, And it is. It is
probably the problem. It's it's it's it's undermining trusting government
and so forth. Most people are mad about being lied
to for seventy eight years.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
This is what I'm getting at. What if they say, okay,
and now we've got these craft and now we have
free energy, Well, you've kept that from us and made
us burn all this oil and spend all this money
and pollute the planet. That that, to me is a
heck of a backlash.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Let us simply say that some intellectuals and some app
them thinks we'll talk about that. Some people will raise
the point, but they're going to be much more interested
in if you're right, when does the free energy get
hooked up. It's just then the frustration that is built
up over the decades, which is great, there's no question
about it. It just lets the air out of it.
(35:19):
Once the confirmation comes, the frustration is over. We've got it. Okay,
it was unpleasant, I'm angry. I wish my dad could
have seen it, and so forth and so forth. But
that is true life. You can list a thousand things
that way. What if we didn't Now, I don't want
to go there. But the point is that I'm not
worried about the post disclosure world on the public side.
(35:39):
What I'm worried about is what the big players, the
big institutions, the big corporations and governments do post disclosure,
and that's where the public has got to get involved.
That's my work. Paradigm Research Group is helping to inform
the public and also helping to point out what they
should do. Danny Shean's doing the same thing, and others
are doing the same thing. You've got a power. Shit,
(36:00):
what are you going to do with it? Right? Can
you handle it? Are you going to just go back
to just, you know whatever, let the government read to
build the nuke the post paradigm world like the old one,
or are you going to try to make sure that
whatever is encapsulated in this extraordinary change will be used
to benefit us. This is going to be a moment
in history unlike any we've ever seen. We're going to
(36:22):
be able to be part of it. The question is
are you ready to be part of it? And how
it ultimately turns out? I don't know, But there's one
thing I do know. One of the reasons we must
get this done is because we're closing in on a
nuclear event. It's going to happen, probably even if we
get disclosure. Somebody's gonna nukee somebody. It's just literally right
there in front of us, and it's almost understood, and
(36:45):
that would be bad. If we have a new before disclosure,
it's going to be worse. God knows where it's going
to go. But if we get disclosure and we've moved
into that world, that post disclosure world, when okay, we're
not alone, God knows what's out there. We're going to
learn a lot. The future looks very interesting. And a
nuke event takes place because some idiot gets drunk and
(37:06):
launches a tactical shell, the response will be better. We
will deal with it better. We'll step back and say, okay,
that was bad. You killed a lot of people there
in that city. We have stupid mistake, but we're not
going to all go nuts and start firing off news.
In other words, the post disposure world is absolutely essential
for a lot of reasons, not the least that you.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Don't think that would happen in a predisclosure world.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
That a new event at any time. I mean, so
many high level people have been kept telling us this
and talking about it and writing about it. So many
high officials in Russia have actually said they're willing to
do it. All right, So what right? Yeah, it's really close.
The people that are in the know know this. The
(37:55):
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists moved that clock to sixty and
then fifty nine sectors of midnight for a reason. We
are very close. People don't like to think about it.
I get that it's really bad. But the truth is,
if you objectively look at what's going on right now,
it could happen tomorrow. There are tactical nuclear shells in
the field, and a nuclear shell doesn't make a huge explosion,
(38:18):
but it's a nuclear event. What's the response going to be.
We've never had to deal with that. We've gotten away
with this for seventy eight years to eighty years, since
we dropped two nukes in Japan and killed two hundred
thousand people. Boom like that, we've managed to avoid and
(38:38):
we think, well, since we've avoided it for seventy eight years,
it could never happen wrong. Things have gotten worse. Before
the Cold War ended, we had probably less chance of
a nuclear war in those last couple of years, and
we have now. The world right now is far more
unstable than it was in nineteen eighty seven or eighty eight.
The number of nukes has gone down, but the delivery
(39:01):
systems cut really hot, and better delivery systems means more
first strike capability. First strike capability is the most aaronoic
thing you can imagine. Country A knows that Country B's
got a first strike that could hit you before you
can respond Country B knows the same thing. Maybe we
should start first. Hypersonic delivery systems insane. Yeah, my job
(39:23):
is to pay attention to this and to tell it now.
If you want to get it from Zahei Sikari, you're
not going to get it. If you're going to get
it from some of the other standard people online, you're
not going to talk about this. They just can't. I'm
not criticizing them. I'm simply saying that this is a
scary world and there's not much benefit to your career
or your paycheck by going on TV and telling people
(39:45):
how period is.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Steve a lot of time here, brother, We got to stop,
but I appreciate you getting us all updated again, and
I'm sure we'll have you back and go over more
as this continues to move forward.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'm waiting for that podcast to change his name, your
podcast to a this gloat.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I would love to see it, my brother. All right,
we'll talk soon. Paradigm Research Group dot org. Defind Steve,
find me at Twitter and Instagram, at c t D
Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out contactingthedesert dot com.
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