April 16, 2025 • 18 mins
George Noory and hypnotherapist Simon Bown explore his research into near death experiences, stories of life reviews that led to spiritual awakenings in people who returned from a near death experience, and whether anyone saw a vision of Hell on the other side.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you our guest. Simon Bound is a clinical hypnotherapist, author,
host of podcasts The Alien UFO podcast in Our Paranormal Afterlife.
He's certified in Past life Regression therapy as a Diploma
in Clinical Hypnotherapy. Simon has guided hundreds through past life
regression sessions. His website is linked up at Coast tocoastdam
(00:28):
dot com and his new work is called Verify Near
Death Experiences Proof of an Eighth Afterlife. Simon, Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I've been great. It's exciting to talk to you. Glad
to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
How did you get involved in near death experiences?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, I read the first.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
The first book I read about it was in the
early nineteen eighties when I read Raymond Moody's book Life
After Life, which was published nineteen seventy six, and I
was absolutely fascinated by this phenomena.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And ever since then.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I've been reading books about it, just chasing as much
information as I can.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Raymond Moody's work has touched a lot of our lives,
hasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
And I've been lucky to have him on my podcast
a couple of times, and it's great to talk to.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, you've got a great book out that just came
out recently, didn't Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
March twenty fourth.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
What criteria did you use when you tried to verify
these near death experiences?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, I wanted to have it so that if somebody, say,
dies on the operating table and they're hooked up to
these devices, so they know their heart stopped, the brain
is flat lined, and then when they're resuscitated they described
what happened, Well, their brain was flat lined and there's
no way they could have had consciousness at that point.
(02:00):
So they talk about seeing these things from being up
at the ceiling and being very, very aware, so it's
not like dream like or hallucinations. So what they see
is verified by people who did those things while this
person was dead, and they know this person's was dead
while it happened. And also people see things that are
(02:23):
in another part of the hospital or miles away from
the hospital that are verified, and this suggests consciousness leaves
the body and can travel and see things. So it's
I've always looked for these thirty cases in the book
having this strong verification.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Simon, did your work convince you and change your mind
at all about the afterlife?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It has over time, over the decades, I've had my
own experiences and read so many books, and now I've
talked to so many people on my podcasts. It was
a kind of a gradual thing because you're still skeptical,
you still have doubts, but eventually it's just overwhelming the evidence.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And it's not just near death experiences.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
It's children with past life memories and stuff that comes
through mediums and deathbed visions and all sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Of these thirty cases, and I assume most of them
were all about the same and that was probably phenomenal.
Which one stands out.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
For you, Well, they're all great.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's one with a guy called tib Or put Noki,
a Hungarian man, and there are several incidents in his
near death experience which were verified. And what happened with
him he went into hospital with really high blood pressure,
and the doctors told him and they really worried about him,
and a little while later he found himself just standing
(03:50):
next to his bed with these nurses rushing past him
and a doctor and he thought, hey, I feel great.
This is fantastic, and he didn't know it was his
body in the bed that the nurse as we're rushing to.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Oh, and on the side of.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
The ward, there's this little room where nurses would prepare things.
And it had a two way mirror, so you can't
see into it, but they can see out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And he wondered about that.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Room, and then instantly he was in there, like teleported,
and he saw a nurse taking all these things out
of this cabinet and putting them on a trolley and
she was rushing and something fell off and rolled under
the cabinet, and he wondered, wonder what that was. And
then suddenly he doesn't know why, but his eyesight was
just four inches from that item, and he read what's
(04:35):
on the label, and he read the serial number, and
then he realized that there's another nurse in there who
was on the telephone, and she was talking to her
husband about where the doctor's phone number was. Because this
was the early nineties, you know, they wrote, you remember
we used to write phone numbers down in our own
little book. And he couldn't find the number, and she
(04:56):
was getting annoyed with him, and he wondered about this man.
And then and Lee's teleported to this guy this apartment
seven kilometers from the hospital, and he sees the furniture
and the books on the shelves, and he can see
the number in the book, and the guy can't see it,
and Tyber's saying, look, it's right there. But he noticed
(05:18):
this man's socks that had all these little pictures animal
pictures on them, and Tiber thought to himself, what kind
of a man wears socks like this? So more things
happened to Tiber. He had the spiritual experience life review
all these kinds of things, but then put them on.
When he was back in the hospital after it's being resuscitated,
(05:41):
the doctor came to him and said, so you were
dead for nine minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And he said what he said in this nurses room,
he told him. The doctor went in there and looked
under the cabinet and there was this item just as
he described it, and he even got the serial number
correct on this packaging. And so the doctor went and
talked to the nurse that was on the phone and.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Said, do you know this man?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Has he ever been to your apartment and she never
met him before, and the doctor confirmed the content of
the phone call. He went to the apartment with the
nurse and saw it was exactly as Tiber described it.
And when he returned to the hospital, he was holding
those socks in his hand that Tiber had seen. And
(06:26):
so you know, there's several verifications there. There's the item
underneath the cabinet, there's serial number, content of the phone call,
what the apartment looked like, the socks, And you know,
that's one of my favorite cases in the book. But
I feel all the cases in the book are this strong.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Of the thirty cases you use, simon, how many cases
did you go through that you did not use.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, I've talked to a lot of people on my podcast.
I've done over three hundred and fifty one hour in
and so I knew these people already, and I knew
who had the verification events, so I didn't have to
go researching and checking loads of near death experiences. And
also this was useful because I had talked to that
(07:14):
experiencer myself and quiz them on these events. And so
for the book, I did further zoom calls and when
it was nearly finished, I would send that person the
chapter they were featured in so they could check it
for accuracy.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So the majority of the people in.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
The book have read the chapter themselves and confirmed what
I've written.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Did you learn anything yourself about the afterlife after your work?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, it came to be obvious that the life review
is really powerful and impactful. Many of the people in
the book had a life review. And what I do
is I don't just describe the verification events. I described
the whole near death experience. And in the life review,
when people see their life, they see every minute of it,
(08:03):
and they see how emotional it is, and if they
were really mean to someone, they feel that person's emotions.
They feel how bad that person felt when they were
mean to them. But they would also feel how good
somebody felt when you were nice to them. And I
can see how if you go through your entire life
and you've been mean to a lot of people, this
could really hit you hard because you go through this
(08:25):
life review really quickly, and there's no judgment in that space.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
In the afterlife.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
If anything, you might have spirit guides with you and
they'll be backing you up and putting their hand over
your shoulder and helping you through it, and you'd be
judging yourself. And it seems the life review is a
real impact when somebody has one and they come out
of this near death experience a changed person. And that
was really interesting because I've heard life reviews before and
(08:54):
gone over them, but it was only when you read
lots of them in a short period of time that
you really see the intent density of it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Simon, did you set up your work as almost a
scientific study?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I don't know, to be honest, I've never done a
scientific study. I did want to make sure that everything
is exactly as the experiences experienced it. That's why I
got them to check it for accuracy and make sure
that there was nothing incorrect in there. So I did
(09:29):
take my time to make sure that the people that
I talked to it was all correct. And there's a
small number in there from the earlier twentieth century or
a couple of famous cases that are very strong as well.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
How did you go about verifying some of the information, Well.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's just talking to the near death experiences and they
described their family's reactions when they describe things, so I
didn't talk to anybody else, just the near death experiences.
But I find them all to be very genuine people,
very generous people. And there's the one woman in my
books said that she talked to her family over and
(10:07):
over and drove them crazy, asking them, did this really happen?
Did this really happen? And they said, yes, this really
happened while you were dead.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Did anybody get to a point where you thought they
were hallucinating?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
No? No, I mean there's one guy in my book.
He had his near death experience while he was in
a coma, and when he was on these drugs, he
had some consciousness and he saw some dancing monkeys on
the ceiling, and he also got this hallucination that the
doctors were in the hallway playing with his dogs. And
(10:45):
he said, the hallucinations and the near death experience are
such a different thing. It's so obvious the near death
experience is not a hallucination. He can tell them apart instantly.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Did you any conclusion, Simon that what these people were
experiencing was extremely spiritual.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, it's because they would meet spiritual beings, they would
meet deceased loved ones. It would change them so much,
and it's so intense what they experience some of them
talk about kind of connecting with this massive light that's
so bright, and when they get closer, they realize it's
millions of souls and that they're all connected, and that
(11:29):
we are connected to them as well. And he could
focus in, they say, they focus in on just one
soul and connect to them and know them absolutely, and
they know you, and then you just kind of zoom
out again, and it's this massive ball of life and love.
They call it this such intense love, but at the
(11:50):
same time, loves the wrong word, because it is so
much more powerful than the love we experience on this planet.
So I see a lot spiritual stuff in there, and
people learn so much about themselves and about others while
they're in there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
It is a very spiritual experience.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
We're talking with Simon Buder's book is called Verified Near
Death Experiences, Proof of an Afterlife. What do you say
that scientists or doctors, Simon, who say these people are
going through some kind of neurological or chemical process, there's
something wrong. They're not really dying because there is no afterlife.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I find that some of these scientists who may say
this are experts in their fields. They may be neuroscientists,
and they know so much about that, but they haven't
studied near death experiences, and they're trying to transfer the
skills to near death experiences when they don't know anything
about them. When you have the cases like in my book,
(12:52):
where these things are verified, how can you say it's
something that's happening in the brain that's local to their
body when there are so many instances of things verified
that's nowhere near their body, whether it is just another
part of the hospital or miles from where their body is.
It's what they're saying is happening. Is also this person
as super esp that they can psychically, you know, remote
(13:16):
view what's going around as well as having their brain
shutting down. It just doesn't make sense. And also doctors
talk about this tunnel of light that near death experiences
talk about and say that actually this is due to
a lack of oxygen in the blood and that their
vision is shutting down and so their peripheral vision is
(13:37):
closing down and all they see is what's right in
front of them, and it looks like a tunnel of light.
But actually the tunnel experience that people have in a
near death experience is nothing like that, and also it's
only fifteen or twenty percent of people who have a
near death experience also have the tunnel experience. And when
I talk to doctor Bruce Grayson's a real expert on NDEs,
(14:01):
he said he talked to two people who had the
peripheral vision shut down and then had the tunnel experience afterwards,
and they're completely different things.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Did all of the thirty case members leave their bodies?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, I mean even there's one in there
from nineteen eleven, and that guy describes a near death
experience pretty much exactly as it's described today. And if
maybe they just look down on their body in the
same room, that's their experience. Or maybe they traveled maybe
some say they traveled the universe with a spirit guide,
(14:40):
others say they just went to another part of the hospital.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
But yes, all out of body experiences.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
What have you concluded, Simon about the afterlife based on
this work?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I feel that the afterlife is so big and so
complicated and so strange that we can't understand it as
we are. I feel that the near death experience is
not the afterlife as much as perhaps a halfway house,
or I like to call it the theater of the
(15:15):
near death experience because it's all constructed for that person
and tailored to them perfectly. And then I feel that
when we die, we go to a place where that's
familiar to us to acclimatize us to the afterlife, and
we stay there as long as we need to, and
we might have a human body there, and after some
time we might start feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You know what, I don't really need this body. I
can move on from here now.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And also there are seems to be spaces where there
are what you might call lost souls who are in
a dark space and they move on eventually into the light.
But then what happens after that acclimatization, I think we
can't really know. People talk about how they they think
(16:01):
so much faster. It's like once they're released from the
physical brain, they're intellect it's so much better. Their sight,
they're hearing everything is a million times better than when
they're stuck in their physical body. It's like their brain
is a reducing valve.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do these cases change your views or strengthen them?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I'd say strengthen them because I've been doing this podcast
since twenty eighteen and reading the books for decades, so
I pretty much knew it all inside out, and it's going.
Writing this book just strengthen them, really and it becomes
so obvious. And that's why I call it proof of
(16:45):
an afterlife on the book and not evidence of an afterlife.
It's this kind of thing that's enough proof for me.
There are some people who say, well, if science hasn't
proved it, then it can't be real, or we can
only suspect its trail.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But we all have a own proof.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did anybody simon of these new death experiences experience anything hellish?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Not in my book, but I have talked to people
who've had those experiences, and it's not something I avoided
for my book. There is a guy in there called
George Ritchie. His experience was nineteen forty two, and he
talks about going to a place where there was a
city in what he called twenty four hour war production,
(17:31):
and all these people were really kind of closed down and.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Just focused on what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
But then there also seemed to be spirits who were
trying to interact with them and were desperate for interaction
where they could drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes and trying
to get this kind of physical feeling, and they seem
so sad and perhaps violent, and that really didn't seem
like a nice place. But at the same time, it
wasn't so bad like it was hell, fire and damnation
(17:59):
and demon and he found that eventually those people would
move on from that space.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The devil didn't come and try to take him away.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Huh no, no, but he was there with his spirit
guide on a tour.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
He was getting shown what things are like there.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you our guest. Simon Bound is a clinical hypnotherapist, author,
host of podcasts The Alien UFO podcast in Our Paranormal Afterlife.
He's certified in Past life Regression therapy as a Diploma
in Clinical Hypnotherapy. Simon has guided hundreds through past life
regression sessions. His website is linked up at Coast tocoastdam
(00:28):
dot com and his new work is called Verify Near
Death Experiences Proof of an Eighth Afterlife. Simon, Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I've been great. It's exciting to talk to you. Glad
to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
How did you get involved in near death experiences?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, I read the first.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
The first book I read about it was in the
early nineteen eighties when I read Raymond Moody's book Life
After Life, which was published nineteen seventy six, and I
was absolutely fascinated by this phenomena.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And ever since then.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I've been reading books about it, just chasing as much
information as I can.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Raymond Moody's work has touched a lot of our lives,
hasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
And I've been lucky to have him on my podcast
a couple of times, and it's great to talk to.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, you've got a great book out that just came
out recently, didn't Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
March twenty fourth.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
What criteria did you use when you tried to verify
these near death experiences?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, I wanted to have it so that if somebody, say,
dies on the operating table and they're hooked up to
these devices, so they know their heart stopped, the brain
is flat lined, and then when they're resuscitated they described
what happened, Well, their brain was flat lined and there's
no way they could have had consciousness at that point.
(02:00):
So they talk about seeing these things from being up
at the ceiling and being very, very aware, so it's
not like dream like or hallucinations. So what they see
is verified by people who did those things while this
person was dead, and they know this person's was dead
while it happened. And also people see things that are
(02:23):
in another part of the hospital or miles away from
the hospital that are verified, and this suggests consciousness leaves
the body and can travel and see things. So it's
I've always looked for these thirty cases in the book
having this strong verification.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Simon, did your work convince you and change your mind
at all about the afterlife?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
It has over time, over the decades, I've had my
own experiences and read so many books, and now I've
talked to so many people on my podcasts. It was
a kind of a gradual thing because you're still skeptical,
you still have doubts, but eventually it's just overwhelming the evidence.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And it's not just near death experiences.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
It's children with past life memories and stuff that comes
through mediums and deathbed visions and all sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Of these thirty cases, and I assume most of them
were all about the same and that was probably phenomenal.
Which one stands out.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
For you, Well, they're all great.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
There's one with a guy called tib Or put Noki,
a Hungarian man, and there are several incidents in his
near death experience which were verified. And what happened with
him he went into hospital with really high blood pressure,
and the doctors told him and they really worried about him,
and a little while later he found himself just standing
(03:50):
next to his bed with these nurses rushing past him
and a doctor and he thought, hey, I feel great.
This is fantastic, and he didn't know it was his
body in the bed that the nurse as we're rushing to.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Oh, and on the side of.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
The ward, there's this little room where nurses would prepare things.
And it had a two way mirror, so you can't
see into it, but they can see out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And he wondered about that.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Room, and then instantly he was in there, like teleported,
and he saw a nurse taking all these things out
of this cabinet and putting them on a trolley and
she was rushing and something fell off and rolled under
the cabinet, and he wondered, wonder what that was. And
then suddenly he doesn't know why, but his eyesight was
just four inches from that item, and he read what's
(04:35):
on the label, and he read the serial number, and
then he realized that there's another nurse in there who
was on the telephone, and she was talking to her
husband about where the doctor's phone number was. Because this
was the early nineties, you know, they wrote, you remember
we used to write phone numbers down in our own
little book. And he couldn't find the number, and she
(04:56):
was getting annoyed with him, and he wondered about this man.
And then and Lee's teleported to this guy this apartment
seven kilometers from the hospital, and he sees the furniture
and the books on the shelves, and he can see
the number in the book, and the guy can't see it,
and Tyber's saying, look, it's right there. But he noticed
(05:18):
this man's socks that had all these little pictures animal
pictures on them, and Tiber thought to himself, what kind
of a man wears socks like this? So more things
happened to Tiber. He had the spiritual experience life review
all these kinds of things, but then put them on.
When he was back in the hospital after it's being resuscitated,
(05:41):
the doctor came to him and said, so you were
dead for nine minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And he said what he said in this nurses room,
he told him. The doctor went in there and looked
under the cabinet and there was this item just as
he described it, and he even got the serial number
correct on this packaging. And so the doctor went and
talked to the nurse that was on the phone and.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Said, do you know this man?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Has he ever been to your apartment and she never
met him before, and the doctor confirmed the content of
the phone call. He went to the apartment with the
nurse and saw it was exactly as Tiber described it.
And when he returned to the hospital, he was holding
those socks in his hand that Tiber had seen. And
(06:26):
so you know, there's several verifications there. There's the item
underneath the cabinet, there's serial number, content of the phone call,
what the apartment looked like, the socks, And you know,
that's one of my favorite cases in the book. But
I feel all the cases in the book are this strong.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Of the thirty cases you use, simon, how many cases
did you go through that you did not use.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, I've talked to a lot of people on my podcast.
I've done over three hundred and fifty one hour in
and so I knew these people already, and I knew
who had the verification events, so I didn't have to
go researching and checking loads of near death experiences. And
also this was useful because I had talked to that
(07:14):
experiencer myself and quiz them on these events. And so
for the book, I did further zoom calls and when
it was nearly finished, I would send that person the
chapter they were featured in so they could check it
for accuracy.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So the majority of the people in.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
The book have read the chapter themselves and confirmed what
I've written.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Did you learn anything yourself about the afterlife after your work?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, it came to be obvious that the life review
is really powerful and impactful. Many of the people in
the book had a life review. And what I do
is I don't just describe the verification events. I described
the whole near death experience. And in the life review,
when people see their life, they see every minute of it,
(08:03):
and they see how emotional it is, and if they
were really mean to someone, they feel that person's emotions.
They feel how bad that person felt when they were
mean to them. But they would also feel how good
somebody felt when you were nice to them. And I
can see how if you go through your entire life
and you've been mean to a lot of people, this
could really hit you hard because you go through this
(08:25):
life review really quickly, and there's no judgment in that space.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
In the afterlife.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
If anything, you might have spirit guides with you and
they'll be backing you up and putting their hand over
your shoulder and helping you through it, and you'd be
judging yourself. And it seems the life review is a
real impact when somebody has one and they come out
of this near death experience a changed person. And that
was really interesting because I've heard life reviews before and
(08:54):
gone over them, but it was only when you read
lots of them in a short period of time that
you really see the intent density of it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Simon, did you set up your work as almost a
scientific study?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I don't know, to be honest, I've never done a
scientific study. I did want to make sure that everything
is exactly as the experiences experienced it. That's why I
got them to check it for accuracy and make sure
that there was nothing incorrect in there. So I did
(09:29):
take my time to make sure that the people that
I talked to it was all correct. And there's a
small number in there from the earlier twentieth century or
a couple of famous cases that are very strong as well.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
How did you go about verifying some of the information, Well.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's just talking to the near death experiences and they
described their family's reactions when they describe things, so I
didn't talk to anybody else, just the near death experiences.
But I find them all to be very genuine people,
very generous people. And there's the one woman in my
books said that she talked to her family over and
(10:07):
over and drove them crazy, asking them, did this really happen?
Did this really happen? And they said, yes, this really
happened while you were dead.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Did anybody get to a point where you thought they
were hallucinating?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
No? No, I mean there's one guy in my book.
He had his near death experience while he was in
a coma, and when he was on these drugs, he
had some consciousness and he saw some dancing monkeys on
the ceiling, and he also got this hallucination that the
doctors were in the hallway playing with his dogs. And
(10:45):
he said, the hallucinations and the near death experience are
such a different thing. It's so obvious the near death
experience is not a hallucination. He can tell them apart instantly.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Did you any conclusion, Simon that what these people were
experiencing was extremely spiritual.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, it's because they would meet spiritual beings, they would
meet deceased loved ones. It would change them so much,
and it's so intense what they experience some of them
talk about kind of connecting with this massive light that's
so bright, and when they get closer, they realize it's
millions of souls and that they're all connected, and that
(11:29):
we are connected to them as well. And he could
focus in, they say, they focus in on just one
soul and connect to them and know them absolutely, and
they know you, and then you just kind of zoom
out again, and it's this massive ball of life and love.
They call it this such intense love, but at the
(11:50):
same time, loves the wrong word, because it is so
much more powerful than the love we experience on this planet.
So I see a lot spiritual stuff in there, and
people learn so much about themselves and about others while
they're in there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
It is a very spiritual experience.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
We're talking with Simon Buder's book is called Verified Near
Death Experiences, Proof of an Afterlife. What do you say
that scientists or doctors, Simon, who say these people are
going through some kind of neurological or chemical process, there's
something wrong. They're not really dying because there is no afterlife.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I find that some of these scientists who may say
this are experts in their fields. They may be neuroscientists,
and they know so much about that, but they haven't
studied near death experiences, and they're trying to transfer the
skills to near death experiences when they don't know anything
about them. When you have the cases like in my book,
(12:52):
where these things are verified, how can you say it's
something that's happening in the brain that's local to their
body when there are so many instances of things verified
that's nowhere near their body, whether it is just another
part of the hospital or miles from where their body is.
It's what they're saying is happening. Is also this person
as super esp that they can psychically, you know, remote
(13:16):
view what's going around as well as having their brain
shutting down. It just doesn't make sense. And also doctors
talk about this tunnel of light that near death experiences
talk about and say that actually this is due to
a lack of oxygen in the blood and that their
vision is shutting down and so their peripheral vision is
(13:37):
closing down and all they see is what's right in
front of them, and it looks like a tunnel of light.
But actually the tunnel experience that people have in a
near death experience is nothing like that, and also it's
only fifteen or twenty percent of people who have a
near death experience also have the tunnel experience. And when
I talk to doctor Bruce Grayson's a real expert on NDEs,
(14:01):
he said he talked to two people who had the
peripheral vision shut down and then had the tunnel experience afterwards,
and they're completely different things.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Did all of the thirty case members leave their bodies?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, I mean even there's one in there
from nineteen eleven, and that guy describes a near death
experience pretty much exactly as it's described today. And if
maybe they just look down on their body in the
same room, that's their experience. Or maybe they traveled maybe
some say they traveled the universe with a spirit guide,
(14:40):
others say they just went to another part of the hospital.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
But yes, all out of body experiences.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
What have you concluded, Simon about the afterlife based on
this work?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I feel that the afterlife is so big and so
complicated and so strange that we can't understand it as
we are. I feel that the near death experience is
not the afterlife as much as perhaps a halfway house,
or I like to call it the theater of the
(15:15):
near death experience because it's all constructed for that person
and tailored to them perfectly. And then I feel that
when we die, we go to a place where that's
familiar to us to acclimatize us to the afterlife, and
we stay there as long as we need to, and
we might have a human body there, and after some
time we might start feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You know what, I don't really need this body. I
can move on from here now.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And also there are seems to be spaces where there
are what you might call lost souls who are in
a dark space and they move on eventually into the light.
But then what happens after that acclimatization, I think we
can't really know. People talk about how they they think
(16:01):
so much faster. It's like once they're released from the
physical brain, they're intellect it's so much better. Their sight,
they're hearing everything is a million times better than when
they're stuck in their physical body. It's like their brain
is a reducing valve.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do these cases change your views or strengthen them?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I'd say strengthen them because I've been doing this podcast
since twenty eighteen and reading the books for decades, so
I pretty much knew it all inside out, and it's going.
Writing this book just strengthen them, really and it becomes
so obvious. And that's why I call it proof of
(16:45):
an afterlife on the book and not evidence of an afterlife.
It's this kind of thing that's enough proof for me.
There are some people who say, well, if science hasn't
proved it, then it can't be real, or we can
only suspect its trail.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But we all have a own proof.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did anybody simon of these new death experiences experience anything hellish?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Not in my book, but I have talked to people
who've had those experiences, and it's not something I avoided
for my book. There is a guy in there called
George Ritchie. His experience was nineteen forty two, and he
talks about going to a place where there was a
city in what he called twenty four hour war production,
(17:31):
and all these people were really kind of closed down and.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Just focused on what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
But then there also seemed to be spirits who were
trying to interact with them and were desperate for interaction
where they could drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes and trying
to get this kind of physical feeling, and they seem
so sad and perhaps violent, and that really didn't seem
like a nice place. But at the same time, it
wasn't so bad like it was hell, fire and damnation
(17:59):
and demon and he found that eventually those people would
move on from that space.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The devil didn't come and try to take him away.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Huh no, no, but he was there with his spirit
guide on a tour.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
He was getting shown what things are like there.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
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