25W: The Truth About the Master's + Tennessee HC Rick Barnes Joins Bobby & Things Get Uncomfortable + The Athletics Dane Brugler on Travis Hunters TikTok Routes

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Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's a podcast call twenty fives Stocking Fort and they
are a whizz So yeah, it's too bad, but what
did you expect.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's a podcast called twenty five Whistles Wine, blow it up.
Welcome to the show. Big episode because we have Tennessee
coach Rick Barnes Tennessee basketball, which is pretty cool, and
I got to go, hey, why an't you having us over? Yeah, Mike,
you telling us no, got him? Got him? And then
we'll talk NFL draft with Dane Brugler, who does the Beast.

(01:43):
It is the most extensive draft situation in all the sports.
And I'm an. I subscribe to the Athletics, so I
read it. So that's coming up. Now, Masters is happening. Now,
love it? Yeah, I was just gonna gage your excitement level.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I love it, dude. I love the Masters. My favorite
golf tournament. I would even say, like right after March Madness,
that's probably my second biggest sports event that I love
to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
But do you love Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday? Oh yeah,
because I love Sunday. Oh no, I love the starting day.
I like to bet who's gonna miss the cut. It
was just a negative bet, you know, Like I realized
later after doing it, like four years in a row,
I should probably not do that bet because it just
make me feel good to bet on the misses. Yeah, oh,
you're the guy at the crash table who bets on
the don't pass.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I know it's usually Tiger that I picked, but he's
not playing this year, so it was a little tougher.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, that's a gross one.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I should really stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, Yeah, I'm I'm in a couple of like pools,
Like friends have had Masters pools, and you have like
a salary cap and you pick players within the salary cap.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Who was your your main, your big your big.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Dog Rory Because he wasn't the most expensive, but I
think he was second or third. Did you did you bet?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I did?

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I did a pool too. Mine was Scheffler.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I just feel like he was the most expensive. Yeah,
he's a favorite.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, And it's it's like when you look at the Masters,
there are I don't know one hundred and fifty players.
Like there's so many people on the leader board on
Thursdays that like it's pretty easy for like one of
those middle guys to be a top ten player.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's hard to win betting golf.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I've struggled because there's so many players, so many players,
and it's also like the best kid just be off, yeah,
like be having a bad day or get arrested.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
True.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know what's really tough about this now is that,
like you try to study golf all year, right, Like,
say you're a golf fan, you watch PGA live. Really
isn't on TV as much. I think it's on CW, Like,
really don't watch live. So you look at PGA right
every week, Rory Scheffler, More Kawa, those guys are the
ones leading those tournaments. But then you get the Masters

(03:44):
and you get everyone comes back. You got Sergio Garcia back,
you got John romback, Deshambau and so now you're just like,
I don't even know who's good anymore. I haven't seen
Deschambaud play in a long time.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Because he's playing live.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Here the sixth in the pool that we had ad
r Morecawa mats Yama speeth burns because I played with him.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's literally.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
See, you got all PGA guys and Maxholma, who's not
he's a PGA guy. He's a lived guy.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
No, he's a he's a PGA guy. Hasn't really been
playing well lately though.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
He's be playing terrible lately. Yeah, he doesn't live at all.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Ever maybe at the beginning, but no, he's PGA guy.
I know he's been playing. I already interview with him
and he's like, I suck, Yeah, he says that. Yeah,
he's like a living sucking Yeah, yeah, I wonder what
that is, Like, I'm sure it's mental. Of course. I
think it's all mental.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Because those guys are just good. I always I.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Didn't invite you to play golf. Eddie wasn't able to play,
like I can't if I've played golf at all, and
I've got two golf tournaments coming up, celebty golf tournaments.
Got a play.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
You gotta get warmed up.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I haven't played at all in like a year, and if.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Sometimes you're better like that, though, like you haven't not
really really not really.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
No.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's like sometimes when I don't play for like three
months and I go back and play, I'm like, wow,
like not bad, but I.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But I can't play eighteen holes good after not playing
at all. So I was like, hey, you wanna play
play Friday, and he's like, I can't.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
My mom is coming down to birthday.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I'm a member of club. I haven't been once really
since they opened back up. They opened up over a
year ago, so I think I've been three times in
a year and a half. Remember it was it last
year two years ago. That's all weird. We've been doing
it all the time. I now have been more of
a pickleball guy for a couple of reasons. One because
it's a workout. Two it's only an hour not four. Yeah,

(05:28):
it's hard for it. It's really with all these podcasts
I have taken on and luckily the Yellowstone's over and
there's it's getting slight. It's just hard to have four
hours in the day. Yeah, so it's like a twelve
whole course.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
That's stupid.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
No, that's what you could just you could just go
play nine home camp play. No, that's like not quite enough.
I need a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's the same thing as twelve. You're not finishing your game.
It's like playing like four innings of a game and
being like I'm done.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Like fifteen through eighteen, You're like, all right, we almost
through it. Here we go like because it's pretty dumb,
I'll be honest. You can just go play nine if
you wanted to do. It's just so it just takes
so long.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
And I love the game.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I love golf. I have a golf simulator. I haven't
used it forever been We now just basically use it
for our lots to say podcast, for like our background
of it setup. But I have friends that are members
of like golf simulator clubs.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Oh my gosh, I have one of those two. He
keeps inviting me, and I'm like, and the way he
phrases it kind of irks me because he's like, you
want to play golf on Friday? You mean you're a
little simulator club that's not playing golf ball, that's getting balls.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I had a friend that was like, Hey, do you
want to come and play on the simulator at the club,
And I'm like, I have a simulator.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I got my own club.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, like thirty yards back there, like you can come
over here with you.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
He's like, that's another thing too. Does he call it
like I'm a member a remember at a club?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
He said, I'm a member of a simulator club if
you want to come and play, like if the weather's bad.
And I said, oh that's interesting, that's cool. What why
did you join? He goes, because there's food and stuff
and I said, oh that is cool. I said, well,
I have a simulator, so probably unless you just want
like hang out and go do it. But like if
it's just about playing on a simulator, like I have one, yeah,

(07:09):
it's probably better than that one.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Probably, But it's just funny and they like, like my
buddy is just like, yeah, man, I'm a member of
a club. You want to play on Friday? And like
it's a simulator club. It's just and I haven't gone yet.
I might really like it. Maybe the vibe.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's a real thing.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's a real thing.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Oh I thought they were saying it like as a joke. No,
there's like places could have like four or five simulators
maybe more in a room, man, like a bar in
a restaurant. God, yeah, that's what that And it's a club.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
And you pay for a membership and you can play
set of tea time whenever you want.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I mean, for the right press. You did it at
my house. Guys, you start your Uh so, would you
rather win? What? What championship? Would you have? All the championships,
which one would you want?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'll go Masters. I go Masters because that's mine, Like,
I want that, baby, I don't have to share that
with a team. Like you wear the green jacket. The
whole thing is pretty awesome if you win the Masters.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's funny because I don't. I wouldn't have gone there
at first, just on the surface. But I think you're
right about that the team part, because if you're unless
you're the quarterback or a star player and you win,
you know, you win super Bowl. Okay, cool, you won,
but your team won and you're a former super Bowl champion.

(08:24):
But of the team, unless you're Mahomes, That's what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
so it's different. Yeah, I think it's I think you've
convinced me. It's the I think I would you do
Masters or like another time, maybe Masters because it's America
and it's the most prestigious and you get that that
green jacket and some of the other tournaments like do
fake jackets, like plaid jackets or whatever. But it's nothing's

(08:45):
like nothing's like the Master and you're a member there
and you can do your meal the next year and.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
You get to play even when you're a hundred years old.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And you have your own driving range over in Augusta.
You what, Yeah, tell me past champions have their own
driving range, like their own lane that they can know
their own driving range. So there is by the way,
they can't be called the driving range on television. The
announcers have been told it's called like the something practice facility.
They're not called fans. You'll not hear the announcers call
them fans. They're called maybe spectators. Maybe spectators. There's a

(09:13):
word they have to use.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Why rule.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
The Masters get to make all the rules because the
Masters charge nothing for television. The network gets up for free.
But in exchange they have to do everything that the
Master says, and the Masters make all the money off
merch and stuff.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Yeah, that's telling me that they do the track like
everything that they do as far as food and all
that is green.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
So somebody drops like a rapper, it's that's lens in.
That's not true. I mean, I've been there, so now
I've never.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Heard that, because then you can on TV like it
looks like it's as clean as possible, because even if
there is trash, it's green.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Do you know why it's plain because nobody freaking puts
trash on the ground.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, and you can't take your phone in there, is
that right?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
No, you can't take your phone. If you do, if
it comes out of your pocket, you're out.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Whoa.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, so you can put it and you can bag it.
When we went we just kept in our pockets, but
we didn't even think about pulling it out because if
you they see a phone, you're out of there.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
And did they tell you that when you go in
or do you just know that or is there.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
A sign up front? But I think it's mostly just known.
I won't even say understood. It's such that that's a
very it's a glaring rule no phones, and so it's
cool though the food is cheap. The food's very cheap, right,
The food is inexpensive. It's it's pretty good and it's inexpensive.
Everything is pretty inexpensive. But they make all their money
off the pro shop. It's it's printing money. Yes, so

(10:32):
but it's cool.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
What did you get when you went? Did you stay
at a hole or did you walk around? How did
you watch it?

Speaker 1 (10:38):
So if you get there when they first opened the gates,
you have your chairs, your master's chairs, and it's the
same chair. They don't. There's not even like a different
kinds of chairs.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's one kind of chair.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I believe, I believe. So you have price to buy.
I don't remember that. We didn't have one, but everybody
had them and they ran and they put them on greens. Now,
if you got a spot with your chair, you don't
have to stay in the chair, but no one could
have spot. That's your seat.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So when they open the gates, everybody goes. But it's
like you open a theme park, a bunch of kids running.
You open that, it's a bunch of like middle aged men.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, you know people.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So you can do that. Then you can sit it
a green if you otherwise you're not really going to
be at a green unless you're like eight rows deep.
So we at first tried to walk like we just
wanted to see tiger. We wanted to see, but it's
so packed around them following that so hard to see
and it's really hard to watch golf in person at
a driving ring from the tea box because you can't
really see where they hit. They just hit and you
go okay.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Because everyone else is.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
You can't see where they hit. You can't see the ball. Yeah, tiny,
Did you ever do the get in the hole? No,
you don't really do that at the Masters. I'm sure
that they might, but you don't. It's it's a percentage
of what it is in other places.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
I've always said that if I went to like go
see Tiger, I do a Tiger after the hit.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
You probably wouldn't. No, not there because everybody's scared to
get kicked out because they don't care. And also it's
like a fancy place. It's fancy, yeah, fancy. And so
we then sat at a hole after we walked around
a bit, just sat at a hole and let right
at a green part three and just watched them hit down.
We got an elevated spots. We won't ride on the green,

(12:12):
but elevated so you could see down on it. And
then yeah, we just sit there and gambled the whole time,
and it was cool. The difficult part is you don't
really know where everybody is as far as the scoring,
because you don't have your phones and they don't have
a bunch of electronic scoreboards around. You have to like
sign you have to like find the main couple of
scoreboards or they walk around with a group. They do
have that on the group, but then you only know

(12:32):
two people. You only know the people the two people
that are in the group. So the difficult party about
that is knowing how did they know?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Like whenever you see like microphones on shirts, Oh really,
they tell them yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, people that are there, like you know, Bertie, they
just shouted with a megafi at eight.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I was thought, like you know, like Sunday, the last
two groups or whatever, and it's a close match and
they hear the group in front of them like a
big roar.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
They're like, oh, correct, well that does have and that
for sure is a part of it. It's a momentum
killer too. I mean, it's all things, but yes, it's cool.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
And then you're wondering, like what are they cheering for?
Like what is it? Two strokes? Is it one that
he hidden? Like what do they do?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'll make it comparison that you guys will now understand.
It's like the Super Bowl you'll go once and mostly
be like that was cool. I'd rather watch it on
TV for now on really, but you want to go
once for sure because you want to see it. It's
the greenest grats I've ever seen that type thing, Like
it's awesome everywhere you've ever seen on television, you're seeing
to get it, you're seeing it for the first time
in person. But then you go and it's just kind
of hard to keep up with it because if you're

(13:32):
trapped trying to see many a bunch of golfers or
follow one other's just people, people people and no phones
and you're like my wife mad, she's trying to get
a hold of.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, that'd be tough.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
So you and my wife wouldn't like that, Like you
would go for a I would say you'd want to
go for a couple a year, Like for a couple
few days, it's cool, But I don't think unless you're
like extremely super fan, that you'd want to go back
the next year because you're like, oh, I got it,
unless it was like a big event for a reason
for one person, like he's trying to you know, Tiger Slam. Yeah, yeah,

(14:03):
but then you seven eight years to be like yeah,
it'd be cool. Let's go back, but you do it
and then once you're there, like, this is really cool,
but it's much better to watch on television. I could Yeah,
I could see that because just generally things are better
now on television. Sure, so you want to go once
to see it, but then you get to these games,
and I say this evening about Arkansas sports. My favorite
thing to do in the whole world is to go
to Arkansas games. Oh that's kind of fun, dude, Yeah

(14:25):
it is. It's awesome. I can go to every game,
but it's like angles, timeouts, can't get food, like there
are all these annoying things, and you lose, and if
you're an away game or you got travel home and
hating life, like television's just made it so much better.
But we'll try to go next.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Couple of years.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Masters Yeah, I mean I could probably pull some strings
and just go.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Play it, or just go what are you talking? Play?
Can we play? You know how they do like pitch
pitch drive, pitch Butt?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Could you play?

Speaker 7 (14:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Could I play seventy thirty? No?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think that definitely no outside shot. You're saying this
because they do like celeb stuff sometimes, but they'd have
to be like twenty no's in a row to get
to me. So we can call some people. That's not
a thing though, like call some people is not really
a thing.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Here, I have one last question about Masters and we
can move on. What's it like outside of the course,
because when you watch it on TV, you're.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Like, it's a small town that it's not it's like
a McDonald's cross the street crazy. It's not crappy. Actually,
because you watch on TV.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
You're like, this is Willy Wonka Land, Like this is
it must be surrounded by like green jungle flowers and.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
No offense to people in Augusta because they go it's
it's a fun it's but no, it's it's crappy area.
And when you're driving to it at first, you're like,
why are those fences covered in like green? Like the
oh wow?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah yeah yeah, I would never think that just from
watching on TV.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Same yeah, Like there's like Hooters, right, I'm not kidding.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Hooters because John Day's all there.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, we'll try to go at some point.
I have a buddy that went this year for the
first time. Yeah, he just got randomly invited by somebody
who kind of knew his wife back in the day
and they were like, it's me and two friends have
an extra ticket his he didn't even know the guy,
but his wife knew him like fifteen years ago, huh
and a tough one. And he was like, oh, man,

(16:25):
I may never get to go, and he went just
suck it up, not knowing. But that's very much the thing,
like you would do just jump out with a bunch
people you don't know just because you're easy to get
along with. And I would, yeah, I would, yeah, but
it depends like you went four days. Yeah, that's true,
you'd still probably go, though it's not about to figure
it out. I don't eve want to hang with people
I don't know. I don't want to hang with you
guys sometimes and I know you, yeah, And it's not
even I don't want to hang with you. I just

(16:45):
don't want to hang with anybody. But my personally is
very different than Eddie. Eddie can blend in and jump
in and be from best friends with everybody in five seconds,
and like that's like a you yes thing.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I used to love going to bars and just like
sit at the bar and hey, man, you you from town?
What are you visiting and then there we go do
you hang out with that person for the rest of
the night.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
But that can really backfire, really yeah. Sometimes and then
you start talking to the wrong person.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
You're like, oh my gosh, how do I get out
of here?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yes, so that can back for it because I'm with you,
I'm all about having a good time talking to people.
And then there's those times where you're like, oh, man,
I missed this one up, dude.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
There was a time when I came to Nashville just
to come visit randomly, and I sat at a bar
at a Hooters, not kidding, and started talking to a guy.
We talked for like, I don't know, two hours. We
went to a bar afterwards, and then he had to
leave go home. Never saw him again. When we moved
to Nashville, I was at one of my kids baseball
team games and I see him there. I'm like wait
a second, and I asked him, like, dude, did we

(17:44):
meet it at Hooters at this play? He's like, yeah,
I remember you.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Like, this is crazy, that's pretty weird. That's cool, that's wild.
And that guy Eric Church. Okay, so we're gonna come
back with Rick Barnes test basketball coach. In just a second.
Let's we're gonna do a UFC parlay.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
All right, come on, let's do it. We've never done one.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, I'll let you have it.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay. So, oh dude, I can't I do UFC every
week now.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's the only thing I know, Like, I know a
couple of the fighters, like I would pick Chandler. I
don't know. If you're gonna pick up I'll roll you
through this, okay. So UFC three fourteen is on Saturday,
main event. Alexander Volkanovski, you got it? Versus Diego Lopez,
you got it?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Brazilian?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Who do you like?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
There? I like Diego.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
He's the underdog.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah. I love that. And he's not an underdog by
much one ten barely, right, But I love this guy.
He's won the last five fights. I think he's won
five in a row. This dude's tough. Alexander's the champ.
Usually when the champ is up there, he's like a
you know what, I'm the champ already. I'm gonna just
relax a little bit, and here comes Diego. So I'm
picking Digg on this just to win money line lightweight.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
About our boy Michael Chandler versus Patty Pimblet Patty the Batty.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Paddy the Batty. Yeah, here's here's the problem with this.
I don't know who can win this. Like, it's so
hard to decide between these two. Patty Patty the Batty. Dude,
he's crazy, he's nuts, he's nuts. Michael Chandler is good,
but he hasn't won the last couple of fights that
he's fought. So I'm gonna go instead of picking the fighter,
I'm gonna go with over one and a half rounds,

(19:22):
which means it's three round fight, which means if it
goes over two thirty in the second round, we win.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So you're going over one and a half round and
that's a bet. That's the bet, okay, And which one
do you want to bet on? The featherway to lightweight
because you have featherweight? Uh yeh. Rodriguez versus Patricio Pittbull
that's I had. Yeah, I mean you've got to go.
I think it's a nickname. I don't think that's his
family name or anything. Oh really no, because there's no

(19:48):
like Patricio Pitbull Rodriguez. It's just Patricio pit Bull.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah. But in UFC. You know you can do that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
So you're going Patrico Pitbule to win.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well, I don't, I don't know. Is Nikita Krylof on
that one?

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Speaker 1 (21:11):
We've been trying to get him on for a long time.
Finally we got him. Rick Barnes, head basketball coach University
of Tennessee. Coach Barnes has been at Tennessee for a
decade now, was at Texas for a while before that.
They lost to Houston in the Elite eight this year,
and seems like Coach Barnes and the bass programs in
the hunt every year now. They were awesome this year.
A big thanks to coach for coming on. And I
do at the end say hey, what's up? Why be

(21:35):
kept saying no to us coming to here? He is
coach Rick Barnes, Hey, Coach, I was doing a little
little intel Anya. I don't want to put my person out,
but I have a very close friend that has an
sec official, and I said, I want to read you
a quote from him. I said, and this is a
very close friend of mine who will come to the
house here sometimes in Nashville. And it doesn't live here though.

(21:55):
I said, uh, what's up with Rick Barnes? What kind
of guys he because he'll tell me because coach, he's like,
I ain't good. He said, a tremendous man on and
off the court. And I said, I'm about to talk
with him, and he Saidrick and I have a great relationship.
And so that's from somebody very close. So now that

(22:16):
I know you're a tremendous man, I'm so excited to
talk to you.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Well, I appreciate it. Good to be with you. How
you doing. You're doing okay?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know, I'm okay. Yeah, I feel like, uh, you know,
I'm a big SEC guy. So I was happy to
see Florida win. I wonder with you, do you still
watch once you guys fall out of the tournament.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's hard, you know, Uh, sporadic, you know, sporadically.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
I'll probably watched obviously the last game, more of it,
but uh, when there's semi finals started, Uh, I know,
I didn't watch a lot of that because it does
it takes while. You know, I was talking with Calvin
Sampson yesterday and just it takes time to get that
sting out.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
You know, because you want to win.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
You want to be the last team in a tough
part about that tournament is there's only going to be
one team that's going to go home happy and everybody
else is it comes to a sudden, screeching halt. And
but it's hard and when you sometimes you just want
to get away from it. But you know, we've had
to jump right back into the recruiting aspect of what

(23:20):
we do, and so that keeps you from setting around
mulling over it too long.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, it feels so intense right now, even because right
you're right, it's over. We had a Nash champion. But again,
I follow recruiting like crazy, and it's like eighty four
rumors portal and so now it's yeah, you're splashing back in.
So do you think it's going to be this way forever?
Or will there finally be some sort of regulations that
come in the next couple of years.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't think it will be like this forever. I don't.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
I'm sure they're going to have to regulate some things.
What that's going to be, I'm not sure anybody really
knows where it's going to go. But in my close
you know, fifty years in the business, it's never stayed.
It's always changed some way somehow. Whatever problems that we
run into, they find a way to work through it.
That one we have right now, we shouldn't have ever

(24:09):
gotten here if we'd have done the right thing in
terms of taking care of players years ago and seeing
them is not just you know, student athletes, but you
know people that were helping generate funds, and we wouldn't
be where we are today but we are. And how
it's going to get solved, I'm not sure anyone really

(24:31):
knows right now.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
The bizarre thing, and this would be the last question
about that. The bizarre thing is that the portal opens
up while the games are still being played. That even
just adjusting the calendar would seem common sense, Like I
feel like there should just be like one or two
dates period that doesn't affect football or basketball. Isn't it
weird that players can start to move while the season
is still going.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yeah, but what I think the reason they moved it
to where they did? You think about it once the
NCAA tournament starts. So you imagine almost every team has
a conference tournament.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Some of them end up maybe a week or two
a week maybe before we say.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Start our tournament. What they're saying is that those teams
are wanting to get started. They don't want to wait
around for a month. You know, they don't want to say, hey,
why do we have to wait for a month, and
are we going to make rules just to take care
of after one weekend thirty two teams or then sixteen teams,
then you know, eight teams and four.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Teams, and so you know, people want to get going
with it.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
But the sad part about our business, the portal is
probably opened long before the date because you start getting calls,
which is not right really in the season, I mean,
people are still playing games and you might get a
call from somebody that's still playing and they say, would
you be interested if so and so? And I don't
even think at times the players even though this is

(25:49):
going on, But it's just we're just not from there.
I don't think there will ever be a great date
when to open the portal, when to close it, based
on what everybody needs are But again the reason they
moved it up was those teams that aren't playing there saying, hey,
we need to recruit, we got to get gone. We
want we want to be playing next year in the tournament.

(26:11):
So why should we be penalized waiting on NCA tournament
to get over with. So there's a lot of different
thoughts that go into it. And now we'll say this
to you, Iobby, there's enough players out there for all
of us. We just got to find the right ones.
And but right now is think about this. When we
came back from the UH, I think the secre first

(26:32):
round we had, We've already had three visits right in
the middle of the tournament, so it is different.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
We got back here after the lead and we had
we had a.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
Personal campus, but twenty four hours later getting ready to
get before we even left for the UH, you know,
the next round.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
But it's it's crazy the way that works. But it
is what it is, and you just have to adapt
to it.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I was living in Austin almost the whole time that
you were there and then moved to Tennessee. Basically when
you moved to Tennessee, some would say you chase me.
That's fine, that's fine, coach, chase me if you want that.
So it's all good, But what's the real ut?

Speaker 7 (27:03):
Well, you know what, when I first got here, I
don't think I bet you for two or three years
when I would go out and meet and speak, everybody says,
welcome to the real ut. And obviously their line was, hey,
you know what the line was or would not be
at Texas if it wasn't for Tennessee. And uh so
they I got to go to the University of Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Whenever you leave a school that's color because you're in
two distinct you went from one very distinct. I mean
even if it clems in distinct colors of the version
of the color. Do you all your burn orange stuff?
Does it go away like it's there's that fire cell
and then it's all now that the Tennessee orange.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
Oh yeah, yeah once I you know, the colors changed.
People that you know that are there, that you were
close to you, I've always said, hey, come get what
you want.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's all here. Getting ready to get a new wardrobe.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well ties and everything. Yeah, you gotta think it's not
even just like the stuff with the logos on it,
like ties, hats, everything you happened, like all things must go.
So you guys at Tennessee have been it's an awesome experience,
Like you guys have a great game day atmosphere. Now
I've been there and I've lost. I'm an Arkansas guy,
and you guys pounded us as terrible as miserable experience.
But I respected how passionate and how loud those fans were.

(28:18):
Do you feel when you came in that you have
amplified the basketball culture there, you and your staff? I
feel that way as outside looking in And where do
you guys, what do you kind of rank you guys
sec wise as far as like arenas well?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
You know, I will say this on that every People
tell me all the time just how hard it was
to play in Stokely Athletic Center back when before they
moved into the Foods which is now the food City Center.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
They our fan base here is incredible.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
I mean you think about it, We're the only programs
in the country that sell out, you know, women's softball, baseball, football,
in basketball, and uh, I can tell you this. We've
had people tell us that they think this is as
hard a place play as there anywhere in the country.
I could I could say the same thing about where

(29:13):
what you're talking about you're an Arkansas fan. Uh, that's
that Walton Arena is a tough place to play when
that thing's cooking. Now it is that ceilings blow that
that uh that is we sit around a lot and
we talk about Justin Ganney and I and people have
asked me the question all the time in my lifetime
of the hardest arenas, the loudest arenas to play in.
And I've always said, the loudest arena ever in uh

(29:35):
my coaching career was the old Gallay, the Gallagher IB
Arena before they raised the roof on it, that thing
when we had some incredible games in there, when Coach
Sutton was there, and it was so definitely you couldn't
even hear and if a person with three inches from
your face. Sometimes the old Rentals College Sam at NC
State Colefield House. Obviously, Kansas still has what they have going,

(29:56):
but there are some places that you that really stood
out like that. But when I'm coaching a game, I'm
kind of oblivious to all that, to be quite honest.
But I have had a lot of people tell me
how hard it is to come in here and play.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, Tennessee sucks to play because you guys are so loud.
I'm biased Arkansas Auburn. It's small, but that's it to
Auburn gets loud and because it's so small and right
on top of you. So there's a dynamic there to
where the whole like nine thousand people, but that doesn't
allow for freaking nine thousand people.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Right, yeah it is. I mean you know that, does
you know?

Speaker 7 (30:28):
I think about you know, Old miss can get going,
you know, I think now you know, obviously a lot
of people have cut their arenas down. You know, you
you go out in Texas, now think about it. Baylor
wins the National Championship, goes from a ten thousand seed
arena to like of what a seven thousand and eight
thousand seed arena. Texas goes from a seventeen thousand seed
arena to a ten thousand seed arena. But there's still

(30:50):
something to be said about arena that you know, twenty one, six, seven, eight,
and especially when you fill it up. But there's a
lot of them that can loud in some ways, obviously,
but they all have their own really unique personalities.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
What about stand in that box. I don't feel like
they give enough room, and you know, you come out
of the box, give a little warning. You feel like
that box should be extended a little better way.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
Well, what I think they ought to do, they ought
to move the officials where I have the worst seat
in the house, where I sit on the bench the
officials but is right in my face the entire game.
His job is just staying at the foul line, and
my seat lines up with the foul line, and so
that makes me have to get up and move. But
sometimes I will literally he said, I'll push them to

(31:37):
the side a little bit. But that's where they're supposed
to be. But you know, back in the day, you know,
you know, you could walk down as far as I
remember when you could walk to half court. But uh,
you know again, it just goes back to where they
want to try to feel like they got control of
the game and trying to keep people under control.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
When did they hit you though with the tech? Because
I'm assuming they'll say, coach, do they give you like
a quiet warning? First? Allowed warning? Second? Like, at what
level do they go? That's too much? We've told you
twice three times already.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
It depends on each guy.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
You know, back earlier, I'll never forget one night when
I was coaching the province in the Big East, and
you know, coaches and referees, you know, we all I
thought we had pretty good relationships.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
We knew each other.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
But Timmy Higgins one night, who I loved to death
and did a lot of games, and games just started
and you know, we weren't playing well, and I'm getting
after him a little bit. And next thing I know,
he comes by me and I said, I just showed
out Timmy and he turn around.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
He teed me up. I looked around.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
I said what and he looked down and I promise
you my foot was a half an inch out of
the box. He looked at me, he looked at he said,
you're out of the box. And then he turned back
and I said, are you kidding me? He said, Coach,
I had a bad day today.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I don't want to hear it, you know, and that
you know thing. But you know, I go back.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
I think there's guys that referee the game, and there's
guys that managed the game too. And you asked me
what I'd rather have a guy at man the game
or referee is a game, I'd probably I just want
referees to call the rules of the game, but they
need to manage it too, and I think older guys
probably are a little bit better at that.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Uh, as they get experienced.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Do you have a person on your staff that, whenever
you have been triggered so much, they go, all right,
coach stop that you actually will listen to.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Not really uh, you know, not really. I mean if
when I get if if I do get going, I
I want to get going.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
It's really funny.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
I think I don't remember the last time I had
tactical I think I think it was here when John
was at Kentucky and he got a technical foul and
I looked at him and I was laughing because he
didn't I didn't think he had done anything. And he
turned around teed me up because because I didn't think,
I'm like, what did he do? And they teat us

(33:51):
both up, And that may be that's one of the
last ones I think I remember that I got. But uh,
you know, officials, you know, I think there's been a
lot that has gone into helping the officials to learn
how to communicate. That's the key between games with coaches
and referees and the communication level and obviously some coaches
are going to get along better with others and vice versa.

(34:13):
But it's a communication factor that has been You know
Mike Keys, who is our supervisor of official, he has
done just an incredible job.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Incredible and I will tell you this, I really do
respect those officials.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
I was on the rules committee for five years and
knowing and learning how hard they work at it, have
to work at it, and it's a really difficult game
to officiate. That gave me a whole different perspective. But
it also helped me because I can I know where
they're supposed to be, they're not there. I can kind

(34:50):
of get at it a little bit. But they work
at it and they want to get it right. That's
all I'm going to tell you. They do want to
get it right. It's important to them. And back in
the day everybody used to feel like it was a
part time job. For those guys, it really hit and
those guys, you know that money, what if they might
have another job, and it steel is important to them
to help take care of their families. And I think

(35:11):
you got to respect them because it's really it's a
tough game to officiate.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
There's three final questions for you, Coach, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Hey, Coach. My first job out of college, I was
a news cameraman for News A and Austin. You were
head coach at Texas and I never did sports really,
but they sent me out to one of your press
conferences because the photographer wasn't available, so I'd go up
there and it's the first time I'd ever seen you
in person, and they had you guys had planned a
fart machine under one of the reporter seats, so every

(35:42):
time that reporter started to ask a question, you guys
hit the button and of fart noise would come out
and he just couldn't get his question out. I thought
that was the funniest thing in the world. I became
a huge fan of yours after that moment. After that,
do you still do that kind of stuff with the media?
I thought that was so great.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Hey, if you want me to get up, I'll walk
in my locker and I'll get that machine.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
You remember that, Coach.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
Oh, yeah, I'm sure I've done worse than that, But
you know, sometimes you just want to have fun doing
what you're doing. And I'm not sure who it was,
but I'm sure it was good reason why we put
it underneath their chair.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's funny. Okay, final two questions. I'll talk about Kevin
Durant for a second. How cold was he as a
just a freshman at Texas?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Man?

Speaker 7 (36:27):
Oh man, I could tell you, I could tell you
stories all day about him. I remember, you know, I
tell everyone, when you coach a guy like Kevin Durant.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
He's the hardest worker.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
He's as harder worker, maybe the hardest worker that we've
ever coached. He's just an incredible teammate, very unselfish. All
he cared about was winning. But you know, he just
loves being in the gym, and he still does even today.
I mean, I mean he works as hard as now
or harder. I mean, he just loves the game of basketball.
And so when you coach a guy like Kevin, and

(37:03):
you know, he came in and uh, we had lost
three guys early to the NBA Draft, and uh Daniel Gibson, PJ.
Tucker and LaMarcus Aldridge, and we were down to three
players in our program, and we signed best recruiting class
in the country. We had, you know, Kevin and DJ Augustine,
Damien James, and we signed seven freshmen and four of

(37:24):
them started, but Franfretschell had called me in September.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
He was doing getting ready for the season. He says,
what do you think about your team?

Speaker 7 (37:32):
I said, well, we're going to start four freshmen and
a sophomore and or junior, and I don't know how
good our team is, but I've got the best player
in the country. He said, you mean you got the
best freshman. I said, no, I got the best player
in the country. I said, he is the very best
player in the country. And he became the first freshman
to win the national uh all, you know, I think

(37:53):
seven National Player.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Of the Year awards.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
But he had an incredible game where he kind of
broke out. We were playing against coach at Texas Tech
and is one of those nights where I think he
had thirty some points, you know, maybe twenty rebounds and
almost a triple double. And game after that, we came
back a couple of weeks later and Kevin had We

(38:15):
went out there and he got rolling. Man, he was cooking.
He was rolling and playing at just an incredible level.
And Texas Tech comes back and right before the game,
you know, five minutes before the game, you know you're
supposed to put your starting line up in and we
had prepared for Texas tack to come in, and next
thing I know, they come in. It's a tax changer lineup.
They're starting to walk on and I'm like, what in

(38:37):
the world I'm looking there, and I started thinking, you
know what they're doing. Another good player in the league,
Martin Zeno, was a really good one on one player,
and I said, by the way they're starting, Kevin is
going to have to match up with him. And so
Coach Knight's going to go at Kevin with Zeno, He's
gonna make kitting. And so I told Kevin, I said, look,
whatever you do, you don't even leave the lane. You

(38:58):
just stand in front of the basket. And we jumped
on those guys and we were up probably like something
like thirty to five, and all at once, I hear
somebody stomping her foot and I look around and coach
nice looking down there, and he looks at me and
he calls me a name and starts laughing at me.
And we're up at halftime by thirty points. The second half,
it took thirty seconds, thirty minutes to get the entire

(39:19):
at half over. He went zoned and I'd never seen
him go zon and after the game he told me
it's him. At halftime, he said, if anybody fouls, we're
going to get into two three zone. If anybody fouls,
you're going to walk back to Luvevick.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
I want to be out of here.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
And that game was that half was over in thirty minutes,
but Kevin put on and then I can just remember
some of the things he did. One of my favorite
stories is we go to Kansas and place as you
know is gone and we start that game and Kevin Durant,
I'm telling you it's one of the greatest twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
In entire college basketball history.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
And Danny Manny told me later he was on the
bench with and I mean, we were running a play
that we couldn't guard. When Carmelo Anthony beat us in
the final foursant simple isolation, but it's up to.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Kd just to pick it apart.

Speaker 7 (40:11):
And every gallon was court had scored a point because
he either made the pass or did something. And Danny,
they couldn't stop him. I mean, he was unstoppable. And
Danny told me that Bill looked at him and said,
what do you think? And Danny said, I looked at
Bill and said, Bill, that's a bad mother. But he
gave it to him any and every way you could.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, he's still awesome. He's still awesome even though he's
quote old. Okay, last last question here. Coaching. This is
going to be a little uncomfortable. We've been all around
the world, but we've worked out with coach Pearl and Auburn,
with the Pacers, Oregon, Florida State, South Carolina, Arizona, you
name it. We've been the only program to tell us no,
was Tennessee basketball. The only program and that that's the

(40:56):
react coach.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
So we travel around and we go and we do
like we do a show. We focus on the team,
and mostly it was for like to help with like
an il and like show and highlight the players. And
we've been to like thirteen different D one schools we
worked at with Jeni, and everybody has said yes. The
only time we kept getting to know was from the
University of Tennessee. And I was already mad because you

(41:23):
guys have been pounding this. I don't like that, but
now I was rooting for you a little less coach
because we kept getting the rejection. So I just wanted
you to know that it's hurt me to be rejected
over and over again by Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Well, I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
There's a lot of girls in hickreyhatt in North Carolina
when I was growing up that felt it that way
about me.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
But I didn't know they liked me. M you know,
I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know that
you'd ever asked to come on campus.

Speaker 7 (41:46):
Because I can tell you this our campus, that our
practices are open to Indy and everybody wants to come.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
But we practiced like we worked. We would like work
out with a team. So so I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Like we you you want you want to practice with
my team?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, we want to like do like just we just
do a little work out. We did a little ryn
little shoot.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Well you come up, yeah, you come up here this
spring and you give me fifteen minutes. I promise you
I will love I will do it, and we will
do whatever you want to do it. I just want
to make in fifteen minutes, I'm going to bring you
to your knees and you're gonna be well.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Now I don't want to do it.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
Now you want to work out, I mean give me
fifty you know what. I don't even think it will
take me fifteen minutes, you know I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Okay, Okay, well listen, I'll say this. I'll just be
as unbiased as possibly can. You guys were the uh
one of the most tenacious teams I've ever seen. It
was really really cool to watch you guys succeed, not
playing us, but just to watch. And that's the word
I would use when describing you guys all season. Just
tenacious as crap. So congratulations on a great season. I know,
it just pops right into now you're back to recruiting

(42:51):
and portaling, and everybody I know that knows you loves you,
and so it's really nice to talk to you. And
hopefully we can get out there sometime in the spring
before the season starts.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
And I'm gonna look forward to that now, okay, trust me,
I know, yeah, Okay, I'm gonna look for it, all right, Thank.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You, all right, coach, Thank you, coach.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
See later.

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Speaker 1 (44:16):
Now, I want to get over to my talk with
NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler from The Athletic. Dane has
a massive draft analysis guide that comes out every year
called The Beast. It came out this week. His goal
is to create the most detailed NFL draft guid available
and it is. Again I'm an athletic guy, I love it.
I subscribe. The Beast includes more than four hundred player

(44:37):
profile rankings twenty seven hundred prospects. He's awesome, his works awesome.
You can follow him on Twitter as well at dp Brugler.
Here he is Dane Brugler. I'm with Dan Brugler now,
who puts out The Beast, which is the most comprehensive
draft guide I think that I've ever seen. Hey, I
have a question for you, Dan, since it seems like
things very much are moving as far as everybody's the

(45:02):
pro days, we have the combine, they're now having to
come up with stories like should or does he tap
the ball too much? Like it's that time of the
draft now where we need new blood because we don't
know where everybody's going, but we kind of know how
good everybody is. So with that being said, I was
looking at some odds this morning and they had Travis.
They had they had one hundred, number two overall. Where

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where is he with you? Because I'm assuming cam Ward's
number one on your list.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Yeah, if we're just projecting how the draft's going to
play out, cam Ward he's going to be the number
one overall pick, And I think that was pretty clear
at the combine. It was more of a question will
it Titans stick and pick or will we see a
team like the Giants or another team try to make
a play for that number one pick to get cam Ward.
But it sure seems like the Titans feel good about

(45:46):
taking the quarterback out one and perfectly understandable. And then
at two, I think when you look at the Browns,
they're in a position to take the best non quarterback
in this draft, and in my opinion, that's Travis Hunter.
As unique a player as we've seen. But he's more
than just just the you know, it's more than the
unique factor with with Travis Hunter, because he is a
dynamic athlete. The ball instincts are tremendous. It's more of

(46:10):
a question, Okay, how are you going to maximize his talent?
Is he going to be a full time corner? And
we're going to mix in some plays on offense. I
think if the Browns take him at number two, they're
going they want to help their offense. You know, this
was an offense that ranked thirty second in the league
last year in offensive scoring, thirty second in the league
in third down conversions. They need a spark. And if

(46:31):
they're not going to draft a quarterback at two, you
want a guy like Travis Hunter who is so dynamic
and get open, he can create after the catch, and
so maybe not the same body type as ideally you want,
being six foot one hundred and eighty five pounds, but
he is. He plays so much bigger than he looks,
and good luck trying to cover him. It's more of

(46:52):
a question, Okay, how are we going to use him
on defense as well? And so when you draft a
player like this, you have to have a plan in place.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Let's talk about Travis Hunter then for a second, a
little more in depth. I watched a lot of his
pro day I watched a lot of his games too,
but he was running a lot of routes I'd never
seen before as actual routes, Like it looked like the
purpose of that was to just show how quick he is. Like, well,
you saw it too, What do you think is happening there?

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Yeah, we call those TikTok routes where it's just kind
of you know, you're going out there moving around. It
wasn't full speed, It wasn't necessarily the full route tree.
It was more just, hey, I'm moving around showing you
that I'm healthy. You know, because we haven't seen he
didn't do anything at the combine. You know, we don't
have a forty year dash from Travis Hunter. And I

(47:39):
understand why. I mean, he's, like I said, the best
player in the draft. We don't need to see him
go out there and do a vertical and a three
cone and all of this. You know, it's just good
to see him go out there and move around a
little bit. Everything that you love about Travis Hunter he
put on the film. And so this isn't the same
thing as like a second round receiver, where maybe you
have a question of about the speed, or maybe you

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have a question about how he moves and you want
to see it in person, there's no wondering what Travis Hunter.
He is, in my opinion, the best player in the draft.
And even though the Pro day was a little bit JV,
you know, it didn't really it's not going to sway
you one way or the other. It's because he's already
kind of locked into being a top three pick.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
When you mentioned the Browns and they're gonna go non quarterback,
I mean they have can you pick it? I mean
is that you know, maybe they do a cousin's situation,
but then that's just just projecting if it's cousins or whomever. Like,
what do you feel the reason is that they're they're
going full non quarterback.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
I think you have to you have to take the
players that are there. And this isn't like last year
where we had three quarterbacks go one, two, three, and
all three were deserving. If Drake may were in this
draft class, he goes number one overall and the Browns
would take cam Ward at number two. But you have
to it just it's just how things play out. And
the Browns have the number two pick in this draft
and they're just in my opinion, there's one quarterback at

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the top and then there's a gap, and I think
that's how most teams see this, and so it's a
question of not are we not just are we reaching
on a quarterback, but that also means we're passing on
a guy that could be a cornerstone for our roster,
whether that's Abdual Carter from Penn State or Hunter like
we talked about. So you know, and I think the

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Browns they're sitting at thirty three, they have the first
pick in the second round. They've done a lot of
work on Jackson Dart from Ole, Miss, Tyler Shuck from Louisville,
Millroe from Alabama. So this is a quarterback class that
I would argue Shador Sanders is closer to that group
than he is to cam Ward. And so that's why
you take the better player at number two overall, and

(49:40):
then at number thirty three, you could maybe move up,
you could trade up to twenty five, You could stick
at thirty three, take a quarterback there, or I mean,
who knows. The Browns need a lot of help. I
think that they understand the whole that they're in from
the Deshaun Watson trade, and so they're not going to
force the quarterback pick. If it's not there. They could
go with Travis Hunter at two, you get a left

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tackle at thirty three, you add another receiver, another tight end,
another running back, and then maybe they do go the
Kirk Cousins route, and you go into next season with
Kenny Pickett Kirk Cousins as your starters, and you know,
you look at quarterback in next year's draft. So the Browns,
how they manage this quarterback situation will be really interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Jalen Milroe, you bring him up. He's now going to
attend the draft, which to me felt weird because I
really hadn't heard that he was projected in the first round.
He'd hear some whispers, but then you know, Dart obviously
ahead of Milrow at least according to the experts and
including you being one of the experts. But you don't
really go to that unless you're projected to be a
first round pick. What has changed, Honestly, I don't think

(50:41):
anything's really changed. I think Jalen Milroe and his representation
knows there's a chance, a decent chance, he's not drafted
in the first round. But I think that it's when
you manage expectations. It's a little bit different you know,
with everyone remembers Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn, and you know,
the cameras were on them non stop the first twenty

(51:02):
five picks in the draft, but that's because there were
a lot of people expected them to go in the
top three and so it was like they were they're falling.
I think with Milroe, the expectation is, yeah, maybe there's
a chance he could go into the first but more
likely he's going to go on day two. And if
you're the NFL, hey that's great.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
We have somebody that's going to go across the stage
on day two, you know, play to the crowd. It's
good TV. So I think the NFL is fine with
it as long as the cameras aren't on Jalen Milroe
non stop, starting, you know, with the eighth overall pick.
So managing the expectations are a big part of that.
And for Milroe, you have to think about it for
his family to walk the red carpet and to be

(51:41):
part of that, to be in Green Bay, which has
so much history, and to say you were at that draft,
I mean it's a pretty cool experience. So you could
understand maybe why he would want to be there.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
We'll talk about Will Campbell for a second. I measured
on my arm. I measured me, we did the whole thing,
and I got the same size armed as Will Campbell
and I'm six six, one seventy five. I thought that
I would have shorter arms than Will Campbell. But how
much does that actually matter? Because I see when you
list him, you haven't listed as a tackle slash guard,
and is that because of the arm issue?

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Well, I think he is a tackle first and foremost.
That's where he should start. But I think you feel
good about okay, if it doesn't work out, we could
move him to guard, or if the team that drafts
him already has their tackles in place, you know, like
think about the Bears. If Will Campbell were still available
at ten, you play him at guard as a rookie,
and then eventually he takes over as your tackle. So

(52:35):
you know, ideally, do you want thirty four inch arms
thirty five and droms for your tackles? Absolutely, but I
think it's more of it's something that helps you. But
more importantly, it's about your feet. It's more important about
your body control and your timing and your ability at
the point of attack to overpower the guy in front
of you, and that's what Will Campbell does at a

(52:56):
high level. You think about it, the last three years,
he showed up at Baton, who's eighteen years old, won
the starting left tackle job, and he has been terrific
the last three years in a really good conference. The
last thirty games that he played, he gave up two sacks.
So I think teams are ready to trust the tape
with a guy like this who said the tape says
he can play tackle. And you know, there's some questions

(53:19):
about the combine testing and the lent and the way
they measured, because at the Pro Day he was at
thirty three inches with the arms, and scouts are doing
those measurements as well, and so he wasn't the only one.
There were a lot of players who measured shorter at
the combine. So I think that teams feel good about
Will Campbell as being a tackle.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I'm gonna do a lot of very personal selfish questions
now regarding either this show or where we live. I'm
gonna start with the Titans, and initially yourself included weeks
ago you had thought possibly they would trade that pick,
but now after the Pro Day, I think everybody then
felt because they canceled the other workouts, they are seemingly
in love with cam Ward. Do we feel like the
Titans are a definite cam Ward number one one, like

(54:00):
as close as you could possibly be, or still maybe
they trade it.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
You never say never, but especially because we're dealing with
the first year general manager Mike Burgonzi, second year head coach, Like,
you know, we don't have a track record really of
these guys and what they like to do in the draft,
but all signs are pointing to cam Ward. And you know,
the Titans are obviously are not going to tell us
what they're gonna do, but I can talk to every
other team and they'll tell me what they think the

(54:26):
Titans are going to do. And everybody in the NFL
thinks cam Ward is going one to the Titans. And
you can understand why if you think that cam Ward
has a chance to develop into a top twelve to
fourteen quarterback in the NFL, you shouldn't pass the Titans.
If they don't take cam Ward, what is their avenue
to a quarterback? You know, it just it gets a

(54:46):
little bit murky. Who knows next year they might have
the eighth overall pick, and you're on the outside looking
in at one of these quarterbacks. You know, Will Levis,
this is not the same general manager that drafted Will Levis.
So all signs are pointing to cam Ward and think
it makes a lot of sense for them.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
One of the guys on the show is a massive
Patriots fan. They're in the top five. I think there
are four. What do you see them doing?

Speaker 5 (55:06):
I want to see them in draft? Will Campbell, I do.
I want to see them get the left tackle. You
think about how good Drake May was last year as
a rookie with a bad offensive line with very little
help around him. Okay, so well you add Stefan Diggs,
you get better on offense.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
There.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Let's help get him more help on the offensive line.
And the only we talk a lot about the hit
rate on second round quarterbacks. The only thing worse is
the hit rate on second round offensive tackles. It is
hard to find offensive tackles in the second round because
if you're good enough, you're going to go in the
first because there are thirty two teams that are looking
for offensive tackle depth. And so you know, maybe ideally,

(55:43):
if you're the Patriots, you trade back to seven, eight
and take him there. But there's a good chance you're
not going to have those offers, and so you stick
you pick. You take the left tackle. Worst case, absolute
worst case scenario. He struggles at left tackle, you move
him inside the guard and you figure out your tackles
that you elsewhere. But you're going to get a starting
caliber offensive lineman who has Pro Bowl potential for the

(56:06):
long term and someone that's going to help your quarterback.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
We have a psychotic Cowboys fan on the show and
they're at twelve. What do you see them doing?

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Yeah, and I think the Cowboys they target more players
than positions when it comes to these top picks, and
so I think you look at one of the top
receivers this year. They need help on the defensive line,
so you know which pass rushers are their interior on
the edge. They could also use another corner. So how
much do they like Will Johnson from Michigan. I keep

(56:33):
coming back to receiver and how much that can help
open up the offense. Teed McMillan from Arizona, who is
not a burner necessarily with the speed, but he's a
ball winner. I mean his catch radious, his ability to
go up and make plays very similar to like a T. Higgins,
except McMillan's even a little more limber and loose, so

(56:54):
needs to get better as a route runner. But I
think you add a talent like that, and that's just
going to help ce d Lamb. It's going to help
Dak Prescott. And then in the second round you come
back and you get that running back, whether that's Trevon
Henderson or Caleb Johnson, and all of a sudden, that
Cowboys offense is getting a complete makeover within the first
two rounds of the draft, and you're feeling a lot
better about where that offense is headed.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
What about Shoulder, He's been all over the map? What
do you have him now? Right now with where we are?

Speaker 5 (57:20):
I would guess nine to the Saints. I don't think
he's going. Two to the Browns and three with the
Giants are truly a wild card because we know they're
desperate for a quarterback. But are they going to force
the pick? I lean towards no. And so then it becomes,
all right, where does Shador go? Nine in the Saints
are possibility? Could he fall all the way into the twenties?

(57:43):
And we talk about the Steelers or maybe we talk
about the Browns of the Giants in the early second round,
trading into that late first to get a Chador or
maybe even a Jackson Dart. So right now, the over
under one quarterbacks in the first round is two and
a half. And even though this draft is more similar
to that Kenny Pickett year where we had one quarterback

(58:03):
in the first seventy three picks as opposed to last
year where we had six in the first twelve, I
still think we're going to see these quarterbacks go. So
if it's at the over unders two and a half,
I'm gonna take the over.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I'm interested about the Giants because again, they signed Russ
and they have Jamis. Is that a band aid for
one maybe two years? And do you really feel like
they could possibly be in the quarterback market at least
round two three.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
No doubt. I think signing those two guys as quarterback insurance,
you know, it's a way to make sure you don't
have to force the quarterback. But if the right quarterbacks there,
then do you take him? So they're a candidate possibly
trade up in the late first to get one of
those guys. If they stay with their pick in the
early second round, and the right quarterback is there, Jackson Dart.

(58:49):
You know they've done work on Jalen Milroe. Milroe is
really the wild card, like we've talked about. I don't
think he goes first round, but could very easily go
early second. Teams are really intrigued by him, even though
they know it's going to take time. So what they
did in free agency with Jamis and Russell Wilson more
of quarterback insurance, making sure they don't have the force
to pick this year.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So the Beast, you've been doing it for a while.
We've had you on before talking about I mean, it
is so thorough and the Athletic dot Com you can
see the mock the articles, everything that you do. But
when do you start on this, And I'm imagining that
it's always a rough draft until you actually publish it.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
It's a living document, it really is, and it's it's
a year round project. I mean right now, I've already
started working on twenty twenty six and not really on purpose.
It's just inevitably you're talking to a scal you're talking
to a player and they bring up a player for
next year, or you're watching tape and you're watching a
certain pass rusher, but the a tackle starts splashing and
you look them up and say, oh, I can need

(59:46):
to watch him for next year. So yeah, it's a
year round process. The summer is really when I get
a lot of the legwork done. That's where you create
the base so there's expectations going into the season that
then during the season, that's when you really folks on
the tape see who's getting better, who's emerging, and so
a lot of the work's done by January first, but

(01:00:06):
that's when we get into All Star games and the
combine and the workouts and I really start to put
to everything, crystallize the reports and the opinions and all
of that. But the testing information, that's a huge part
of it. Having the test verified testing information for over
twenty five hundred players.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
It takes a lot of work to track.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
It all down get it because I'm not going based
off of what I see on Twitter. Every single number
in the draft guide is directly from a scout, and
so people know they're getting NFL verified numbers, and I
think that's a huge part of this, just to put
maybe into context what type of athletes these guys are
and maybe you know, when our team drafts a guy

(01:00:48):
or if they sign them as a free agent, you
just have a better idea of what type of athlete
that player is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Which I go only by what's on Twitter. Say that's
all We're different. That's why we get experts on because
I'm only going by Twitter. There were two tied I
wanted to mention. I have like two questions left and
Tyler Warren. We watched him because Penn State was amazing.
He was amazing this year, like the guy would create space.
But Loveland's also freaking a stud at Michigan, And there's
been a bit of debate on which one's better. In

(01:01:16):
your mind, who goes first, and what's the difference in
their skill sets?

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
Yeah, and I really don't think it's a debate because
it just depends on what type of tight ends you want.
If you want the guy that's ready made out of
the box and has a higher floor than Tyler Warren's
for you. You know what he did last year, Like
you said, he had one hundred and four catches for
Penn State, and he impacted the game in so many
different ways. He had four rushing touchdowns, he had a
passing touchdown, you know, he is a well built athlete,

(01:01:42):
He looks the part. He can help you out as
a blocker, where with Colston Loveland he's more of the
move tight end where big Fast has better upside, but
also a little bit more of some question marks there.
He was banged up a lot this year, doesn't really
have had the frame that you want. So I think
if you want to bet on the upside in the athlete,

(01:02:02):
totally understand Colston Loveland is that dude in his ability
at the catch point. Him and Tyler Warren. Both these
guys are so reliable, so consistent, and I think even
though Tyler Warren is a good athlete, Colson Loveland is
just on a different level. So if you want to
chase that upside, totally get it. Loveland makes sense if
you want to go with maybe the better football player
right now this second, I think Tyler Warren it makes

(01:02:25):
a lot of sense as well. So it just really
depends on which direction you want to go. But I
think both are off the board, probably in the top
fifteen picks. You know, Tyler Warren, I'd love to see
him in Chicago at ten. I think that is an
underrated fit. And then with the Loveland I love him,
mocking him to the Colts. I think you want to
add an explosive playmaker. You know, you're trying to figure

(01:02:45):
out who quarterback is in Indianapolis. Is it going to
be Daniel Jones? Is it going to be Anthony Richardson?
Give them another target who's going to help open things up?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
So one more question for Dane. But by the way,
Dane's NF I'll draft twenty twenty five the Beast. It's
it came out a couple of days ago. Go to
the Athletic. I'm a subscriber, so I've already been deep
into it. But the Athletic dot com it is the
most comprehensive draft guy of the season. And so my
final question will be running backs, because there's like thirty

(01:03:14):
running backs that are good. It's a deep running back class.
But how many in the first round?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Two?

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Three? Probably two?

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
And I think you know, the biggest reason not to
draft a running back in the first round this year
is exactly what you said. There's there's thirty good ones.
I put draftable grades on thirty running backs this year,
So you know, I think you feel good. Okay, let's
let's get our tackle in the first Let's get our
corner in the first and then because we feel good
about rounds two, in rounds three, getting those guys. Now,

(01:03:45):
Ashon Genti he's too good. He's going to go in
the top ten, one of the best players in this draft.
And then I think Omrion Hampton from North Carolina also
goes in that first round. I keep, you know, looking
at that fit in Denver and what he would bring
to Sean Payton offense with you know, the promised bo
Nick showed last year a team that made the playoffs.
But then you look at the second round and okay,

(01:04:07):
quin Shawn Judkins and Travon Henderson and Caleb Johnson and
we could go on and on talking about these running backs.
So teams feel really good about waiting till day two,
even into round four and five, and still feeling like
they're getting a really good running back. So we're gonna
see a lot of running backs come off the board.
I think we'll see at least two though in the
first round.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Okay, my final final question, where do you see scatbow
going like around what number pick.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
I would say somewhere between eighty five and one hundred
and fifteen. You know that late third, early fourth. He's
not going to be for everybody, but you know, you
could see where a lot of teams are going to
look at what he does in the passing game, see
how physical he is, and say, yeah, okay, we could
add that to our offense and we can make that work.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
You follow him, DP Brugler, and we'll put all the
notes in our podcast so everybody can see where to
actually go. But the beast, dude, it's it's excellent. Congratulations
on finishing it and putting it out. I know how
much work it's got to be, so we love it
and we appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
No anytime, I thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
All right, there is Dan Bugler everybody. Before we wrap,
I just wanted to play a clip from another podcast
I do with NFL quarterback Matt Castle and the podcast
is called Lots to Say, and we had on UFC
octagon announcer Bruce Buffer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
That is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
It was a really good interview, was it. Yeah, it's good, Yeah,
he was. It was a great interview.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
My favorite thing about Bruce Buffer is every time he
announces a fighter, he gives him a fist pump and
he yelps their names right in front of their face
and it almost gets the fighter pump too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I love such a UFC guy every week. Man. So
his half brother is the greatest ring announcer of all time,
Michael Buffer. But they didn't meet until their twenties. I
thought they just grew up and they were just like
two little kids going eight years old on four. Not
the case at all, that imies. It's a very cool story.

(01:06:02):
But you can go and listen to the full interview,
which about half hour long on our podcast called Lots
to Say. But here is Bruce Buffer talking about meeting
his brother in the timeline of it all.

Speaker 8 (01:06:12):
We're long lost haf brothers. We met each other when
I was twenty eight years old. I saw him on
TV being a huge boxing fan of my dad and
my brother Brian and I, you know, watching boxing all
our lives. Out came this handsome debonair James Bond looking
individual with that famous five words let's get ready to rumble,
And when they conrand his name on the screen Michael Buffer,

(01:06:34):
I'm like, WHOA, Who's this right? Because I own telemarketing
companies in my twenties and thirties and before the Internet,
I never saw my last name in a phone book
in the United States, so it kind of really struck me.
Funny lost story cut short, my dad never told me
that he had been married at the age of twenty
when he was going over to serve in World War Two.

(01:06:57):
It was a brief marriage and he came back, a
divorce ensued, but a child was born, and last time
he saw the child was when he was two and
a half. And Michael was raised under the name of
Hubert by foster parents great as he calls it, leave
it to Beaver upbringing. And when he went in the
army at twenty, they said, your birth certificate says you're Buffer,

(01:07:19):
because he was never formally adopted, so they said, you're
not Michael Huber, You're Michael Buffer. And had that not happened,
and the events had led him into being the legendary, greatest,
you know, announcer of all times, as I like to say,
and most everybody believes he we wouldn't be sitting here
talking right now because we did when he did see

(01:07:41):
him on TV and and my dad called a local
arena here in Los Angeles to receive a country club
left a message for Michael to call him back, and
Michael called him back. That got together for lunch, and
it turned out to be his long lost son and
we all got together and we got along famously. You know,
everybody got along great. And four years later I sold
two companies I was doing incredible with but I was

(01:08:02):
burned out, not happy with what I was doing. And
I had an epiphany and I said, Michael, I need
to become your manager and your partner. I want to
make you Richard more famous you ever dreamed, and put
you everywhere in the world and TV, make video games, toys,
this that the other trademark this phrase properly. He had
never even made a hat or T shirt at that
time with the saying on it. And I said, I

(01:08:24):
will saw this quit with the money, having the bank
and make all this happen. He said, how are you
going to do all that? I said, I really don't know,
I said, but I'll figure it out. If I'm going
to give this up, I'm going to make it happen.
And that was, you know, thirty five plus years ago,
and now where he where we are today?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Okay, that's it? Is there an update on the pickleball
guy boys. We have life?

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Oh okay, snap, he's not dead.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
We have life.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
He is alive, and Riley respond, unless somebody's running his account.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
No, wait, did he message you? So he followed me back?

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
Okay, good, So now I can actually message him, great,
which I did right away, and that was on Wednesday.
He followed me back. I messaged him and let me
check again. Make sure Twitter as of nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
It'll tell you read though, yeah, and so is it read? No?
It just says yesterday what happened? Okay, So he's alive
a lie.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Thank god, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
And we're trying to get a response and I'll go
play and pick a ball for a thousand bucks. And
he's been ignoring Kevin and Reid, but Kevin said, I
want to DM you so we can set this up.
So now he's follow Okay, we have life. Well at
least he's not dead.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
He's not dead exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Okay, thank you guys. If you don't mind, please go
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Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Had here wait red one, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, yeah, stupid. It's so stupid. I know raids like basketball.
Oh my god, I don't really know which hoop to go.
They look the same.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
That's March mad there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So we'll get that next week on Monday. Okay, you
guys have a great weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
That's it. Eddie blow the whistle and we will see
you guys next week. Bye.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
Buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Theme song written by Bobby Bones That's Me and performed
by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon Ray Music.
You can follow the show on Instagram at Bobby Bone Sports.
Thanks to our crew co host at Producer Ready, segment
producer at Kickoff, Kevin video producer at Red Arberry, an
executive producer at Mike Diestro, but most importantly, thank you

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for listening. Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time
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