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Speaker 3 (01:28):
Hey, what's up. It's Kevin here. Just wanted to hop
on here real quick. Let you know before you get
started with this episode that we did record this before
the Cooper flag injury this past weekend. It looks like
he'll be okay to play, but you should know that
we did record this prior to the injury happening in
the injury news. With that being said, though, enjoy the episode.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
This is a podcast came twenty five King Basketball and
they are were a wiz. So yeah, it's too bad.
But what did you expect it's a podcast?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Come twenty five.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Blowth wistles already?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Third, third, it's the great wait my tunes wrong, O
got it's music down.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It's the most wonderful.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Time of the years. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
This weekend, the Thursday on Friday, especially the Thursday, Friday,
Saturday and Sunday is still cool.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Yes, the first full four day week is awesome. It's
the best.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, and we're lucky because we kind of have hours
where we can watch the first games.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, I got a second. Get have a second every
year just so I can stay home. So every year,
I guess every year that reason, all right, And the
Thursday Friday, if you can just get a couple games
that were going in the direction of looking like an upset,
because you got like true TV t it got.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
The whole things up in the court.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
There have been years where it's sucked and there are
no upsets anywhere, and those mild fun. I mean, if
you get a couple, it's so awesome because you can
just flip around. And thankfully YouTube TV they settled their
a little deal with param you guys, YouTube TV ors. Yeah,
I guys, I love it. Aside from basketball. Isn't it
the greatest everything? Everything? And this is not a commercial, no, no, no,
(03:16):
But if you're a sports fan, you decide if you're
getting paid right now, well, I'm.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
No. I was thinking of YouTube TV. Want to say,
you know, yeah, what's up guys.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Anyways, if you're a sports fan, it's the best casey
your thoughts on YouTube TV.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
I mean for NFL Sunday Ticket, the four games. But yes,
March Madness is the best, especially yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
When Sunday Ticket because they moved over there. Yeah, and
I haven't got to experience it March Madness yet because
you get to do the four screens generally.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
But oh my gosh, I'm gonna have a boner for.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like a like a basketball different is different. My father
and all listen to this, And so I pulled back
right when I was about to say that joke.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
And then I want to tell you what.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Happened in my head right there. This is all happened
within about point three seconds. I was gonna say, Man,
I get such a boner watching college basketball. Can you
imagine four games at once? That's I call your doctor
if it's up for four hours. And I was just
gonna make that analogy. Then at the same time, I thought,
I know my father in law listens to a lot
(04:17):
of this, so maybe I don't want to make a
boner reference. But then I thought, I don't want to
not be me, and he wouldn't want me to not
be me correctly, even though he probably was like, do
you need to make the Boner reference? All that was
point three in my head and I still said it,
but it was like this, and I had I had
a boner for it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
What I've learned is because like my mother in law
listens to and like really yes, And I've done the
same thing where I'm like, should I say that my
mother in law's listening? What I've learned is they're cool, man,
because they love us for who we are. And I
even my mother in law never mentions things wherever I
talk about her or anything like that, but I know
she knows it, so I think she's okay with it.
(04:57):
She doesn't act any different. She still loves me, and
she she still listens.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, I don't question if he loves me any less
until now. Great, I my wife doesn't listen to anything,
and that's not her being not supportive that's her when
I get home, going, Bro, I'm with you for nine hours? Correct,
why I don't want to hear you do the same
crap you do here at home then? And I'm like
I still, I'm like, eh, I get it.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It is different you though, Like it's a different you
when you get home then it's it's worse though, got it? Yeah,
I got it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And also she doesn't really care about sports like this, yeah,
but like it does.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
And he may not hear this.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm sure he can't listen to everything because I now
have forty seven podcasts, which is way too many. But
he'll message me and say, hey, I heard you talking
to whomever is listening to this song. Like I rarely
can feel a compliment and genuinely feel it and it
makes me feel good. But he was listening to me
maybe with Matt Jenkins.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
We just did. He was episode yeah, and he said, oh,
casey too.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I got another.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Texted me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He was like, I was listening to your Matt jenkinsing
and he wasn't saying it like, hey, I'm listening to
you talk to Matt Jenkins.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm looking I'm listening to you. He just sent a
reference about it and like I was deeply complimented and
I don't really know that feeling of support because my
life I didn't have.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
I'm not saying that like I.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Was unsupported because I want people pushing against me, but
I just didn't have that. And so that's weird that
even me to having a bonus conversation triggers all the
memory of like, how.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Like touched.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I well, I know I touched. I get when that
like that happens. And I don't know that he'll hear this,
and I hope to god he does it. And now
at this point, I hope he doesn't. I hope he doesn't.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
But we are here. It's it's basketball. It's the greatest,
the best.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Just pick a team to win at all man, because
we're not gonna break down, Brad, I get bored and
people go down everything, every everything. Let's just pick one
team to do. You guys want to all put five
bucks in?
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah? Yes, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, So Mike, you want to in or no, I'll
go in. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six. I
don't need your money right now. Read, but we'll just
all do it. Read reads up and change on the table.
So if we have multiple picks, you get one pick
to one at all.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Right, but if like multiple people pick the same team, you'll.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Split the money.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So but everybody have your answer written down, say you
cannot change it.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And if you want to do more than five, you can.
We can do ten, but that's two teams. No, it's
one team, but.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
It'd be worth a little more in case we split.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Let's do ten bucks.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I have learned. My wife will say sometimes, hey, you
can't use other people's money. If like we go to
dinner and I'm like, I want to do all this
advertising and I plan to pay for everything. But then
some people are like, we don't want you to pay
for all everything all the time. If she's like, you
have to consider that that people get tired. People don't
like it when you pay for their meal all the time.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Well that's yeah, I don't know. It is that they
feel like they're burdening you.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I'm like, I enjoy it because one people pay
for my meals my whole life, and now that I
have money, I love doing it. So I have to
think about other people before I just go, let's not
get ten dollars. So if you would like to knock
it to know we can.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I vote ten dollars ten pretty good.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Yeah, Reid's crying. I'm ready, let's go twenty. What are
you talking about, Mike?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Ten?
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Okay, ten is good.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, So we have sixty bucks total. Pick your one
team and Kevin.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Duke, you suck, you suck dude. We hate you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Cooper flag baby, and I can't change mind, can't change
it now, no changing it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I should have pulled out all the low seeds and
we should have picked somebody like an eight or below.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
We made still to do that real quick. Okay, Okay,
Duke sucks. I hate dude. They're actually really good though,
what suck?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Cooper Flags and.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They've got two nasty freshmen and Cooper. Yeah, Mike going
to Auburn.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It's good, Mike Reid.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I'm gonna go flow rudder. Good pick, oh good, pick Eddie.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I'm splitting the money with Kevin. I'm going to Duke
go Blue Devils.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I'm sweeping man which and I broom in the Auburn.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I'm wondering what that man.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
We're gonna be splitting that up. Okay, how about this, okay,
how about this? Pick a team yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Didn't he No, I didn't go, said, oh my bad.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I thought that meant you had Duke. Who do you have?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
I gotta go a little contralting Saint John's baby Rick Patino.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I like this team.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I like to apologize for not going. I thought you
picked Duke. I like to apologize. It's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
He's such a New.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
York pick a team.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
We all have to agree to the team being a
mid or lower, and whomever's team goes the furthest we'll
do a.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Five dollars bet. It's all good with that one.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yes, yeah, okay, don't look at my team.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So like out of the running Duke Auburn, Florida, Houston, Bama, Tennessee,
Michigan State, Saint John's, Iowa State, Kentucky, Texas Tech, Maryland.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Those were kind of all out of it.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
You didn't say the team.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, I'm still might though, but just looking at the bracket, here,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You want me to go first, yep, I'm gonna go Texas,
A and M.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Why oh they played I like A and M because
they cannot shoot. They do not play offense. It's like
they don't even want the ball. They just give it
back on defense. It's god dang.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
They play hard. They do play they do I like
Texas A and M. They play hard. I like it.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And they have a player within the last name Garcia.
So I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
They go nice Kevin, I'm gonna go Arizona. Yeah that's good. Yeah,
I like it. Okay, I accept it. You guys don't
have to accept it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
But no, Arizona is accepted.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And I what sucks is already eliminated Texas Tech, and
I was my boy. I wish I wouldn't have eliminated him.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Okay, cal go ahead, Casey.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You're gonna go with Louisville. That's good.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
That's not how you say.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It, Louisville. Yeah, we're in New York.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
If you're yeah, lou Louisville, Louisville, No kind of Louis
Louis Louisville, Louisville, Louisville, Louisville, Louis louis You guys have
stuck in your We gotta teach him here in Louisville, Louisville.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yes, okay, read Can I go Gonzaga? I think so? Right, Yeah,
I think so. I'm just trying to yeah, yeah, I
think I think that's fine for Maryland.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I think one. I'm gonna Gonzaga Zaga.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I gotta go SEC just because I've watched them play
so much. I'm gonna go Missouri.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I have not seen them play I have, or Michigan.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was gonna pick Michigan too, because artists all play
Michigan and they're good and I liked Dust. I'm gonna
go Michigan, Michigan, SEC. I know, well, but I had
to pick a team of Arkans. All played and we
beat them good cool, and I'm just not picking Arkansas
because I don't want.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
To attach anything to that. Okay, Okay, So everybody good there?
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Speaker 1 (13:06):
This guy massive. He's an avid hunter, rider, wild foods enthusiast.
Steven Ronella. I love this interview so much. He's a
New York Times best selling author because he's an expert.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
He's a TV host.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He's the founder of the outdoor lifestyle and media brand
Meat Eater. He has a new show that's been launched
called Hunting History with Steven Ronella. It is an eight
part series diving into a bunch of American history in
the wilderness. To go check that out. You'll see the internoes.
But I thought this would be fun. This ended up
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(13:39):
Here he is Steve Rannella. Hey Steven, thanks for the time.
I have a lot to talk about with you. First
of all, I will receive a bit of crap from people.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I grew up in Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I had a fourten at nine years old, and I
was kind of just allowed to hunt mostly rabbit or squirrel,
Like fourteen was my first gun. And people are like,
you had a gun at nine or ten, And I
talked about how it was a tool more than a
lot of people see it as a weapon. For you,
When did you get your first gun? When could you
hunt by yourself?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Oh? Man, you know, it's funny you bring that up,
because we used to be like, I remember kids. I
remember this one kid in particular that moved I grew
up in West Michigan, and I remember this one kid
that moved from like out of town into our area,
you know, and I remember his mom just being astounded,
like horrified that kids would ride around on bikes with
(14:29):
twenty two's slung over there, slung over their back, you know,
like we just we just roamed around as little kids hunting.
You know, it was all back then. It was just
tons of woods around that area. I don't even remember,
you know, I hate to say it. Well, they changed
the rules now, so it's actually would we would start
(14:53):
hunting before you were legally allowed to hunt, which sounds bad,
But then the state went and changed the rules, so
now it wouldn't be that it was illegal. They moved
the ages back. But we just started hunting early. My
dad liked it. He liked he wanted us to be
out in the woods, and he thought if you were
doing that, then that's what you ought to be doing.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Similar where again, I was born in the eighties, so
there weren't as many rules. And again now from a
town of seven hundred people in rural Arkansas, so the
rules were just different based on lifestyle. But it was hey,
once you're like ten, get a Hunter's ED card. But
I was already hunting, so Hunter's that was easy. So
I got my card. But that was like the stamp
(15:34):
of you're now able to say you're hunting because you
have your Hunter's Ed card, and then it became a
license type thing. I don't even know what the law is, like,
how what is the law to actually have a gun
and hunt?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Now?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Well, man, they keep moving it back. I love it
because again, let's take Michigan. I can speak to a
bunch of different states where I've had some exposure, but
in Michigan it would be that you couldn't hunt small
game to your twelve Okay, you could hunt archery deer,
so you'd hunt deer with a bow at twelve, and
(16:07):
you couldn't hunt deer with a rifle till you were fourteen.
Now they've gotten rid of all that stuff. Now it's
up to the parent, which is what it should be
the state where I live in Montana, and in Montana,
kid has to be ten to do, you know, to
legally hunt, right. But I also take my kids to
my buddy's place to hunt turkeys in the spring in Wisconsin,
(16:31):
and there it's up to the parent, but they have
to be mentored, so they have to be with a
license hunter of a certain age right who's within arm's
reach of them, which and then they can start on
their own a little bit earlier. So it's a really
nice thing that's happened over the years. Like you tend
to think of everything getting more restrictive and you know,
(16:54):
less freedoms. But in this case, the states, most states
have really done a good job of allowing kids earlier
entry into the sport as long as they're being mentored,
which I think is great. Like you can hunt two
years of Montana with a mentor before you have to
take hunter safety. So it really helps you get your
kids out early. I get my kids hunting early. Man,
(17:17):
I don't want it. It'll never be like surprising to them.
You know, they just grew up around it, right, That's
how I like to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Steven, Yeah, you bring up a good point about the
kids kind of like going out early. What I experienced
with my kids was, you know, them seeing an animal
die for the first time, and how they receive that,
you know, very differently. Some kids are like, wow, okay, cool,
we got we got a bird. Some are like that
bird just died. How do you do that with Okay,
(17:44):
how did that happen with your kids?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
We again saying I had to say I did with
them what happened with me, which is I just took
them out early. They've always been around it. You know.
I'll tell people like I could I could take something
anything I take. If I take something in my hands.
If we're out in the woods and I take something
in my hands and I tell my kid, I said, hey,
(18:07):
check this out, hold your hand out. They're gonna like
put their hand out and take what I hand them. Like,
you can't startle them. You know they're not You can't
startle them because I've always exposed them to stuff. They're
very comfortable in the outdoors, and they have a lot
of trust in me. And if I tell them something's cool,
(18:28):
they know it's cool. If I say, we ought to
be nervous right now, you know about grizzlies or whatever,
they know we ought to be nervous right now. If
I'd say that there's nothing to worry about, they trust
me that there's nothing to worry about. And that comes
from having them out at a young age and showing
demonstrating to them like a level of competency in the outdoors.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So I don't mean to, like I don't want to.
I usually find that the people that are most critical
about their kids have the best kids. Like the people
that complain the most about their kids have the best kids.
And I could about my kids all day long, and
if you want me to, I'll do that for an hour.
But there's certain things that are cool about them. And
one of the things is that they're really comfortable around hunting.
(19:10):
They're very comfortable around life and death. As my buddy says,
life and death on the farm, you know, and they
know that they know about life and they know about death.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
You bring up a grizzly as an example, but one
charge to you right in Alaska? Can you and I've
heard the story, but can you tell the listeners that
are listening now a bit of that story.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Yeah, I've had a couple. I've had a couple of
grizzly charges. I've never been maybe I got touched by one,
but I don't really know. And I think the one
you're talking about is I was hunting on a fog
Nac island. And I'm sure a lot of your listeners
have heard of Kodiak Island. There's just in Alaska, there's
a very narrow strait that separates Kodiak and a fog
Ac and we're hunting on a Fognac island and I
(19:53):
had gotten an elk a couple of days earlier, and
we hung half the elk up in a big spruce tree,
and we went back to fetch it, just kind of stupidly.
I don't really know why. I felt that nothing had
found the elk yet, and so we sat to eat
lunch under the tree, me and my buddies that I
(20:14):
was with, And while we were there, a bear came
in and came in hard my one body. He had
his pistol and a pepper spray sitting on each side
of him. But when that bear came in, it happened
so fast. He smoked it across the face with a
pair of trekking poles. I twisted my ankle up bad.
(20:37):
I don't know. I feel like his foot landed on
my ankle, but I'm not totally positive. But it's crazy.
Is my buddy Dirt got knocked over by the bear.
And I'm not kidding you, man. Dirt rode the bear
straight downhill for about fifteen yards. I mean he rode,
He rode on the bear. I thought the bear had him,
I thought it was holding him. So we all ran
(20:59):
down the hill, but Dirk came squirting back up out
of the alders, running back the other way, and dude,
it was. It kind of messed with me a little
bit psychologically for a while, to be honest with you.
It was so close. It was so close.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I had a show on nat Geo for a while
and we went up. We fell into Bozemu and then
we drove into the park and probably two or three
hours out of Bozeman, and we were traveling around with
sheep herders because the predators come in at night and
try to eat the sheep, and so we were so
that's what we were doing.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
We were with them.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I was kind of learning about what their job was
and how they'd be out for months at a time.
But you know, they had equipped me with things in case,
and we did end up seeing a bear.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
It was far.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was with the night vision, so we knew where
not to go. But they equiped me. They gave me
bear spray, and we didn't have grizzlies in Arkansas. We
had black bears and we'd have grizzlies. So they said, Okay,
if a bear attacks you, here's the bear spray. Shoot
it at the ground and then the bear will come
through the ground and stop. It felt to me like
when I was eleven, and they said, spray cologne in
the air and walk through it. I felt like there
(22:05):
was no way that this bear spray shooting into the
ground was going to stop a bear. So if you
were me and a bear was attacking, would you have
sprayed the spray at all?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Or would you just go full gun?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
What do you know about bear spray?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
What I think they're what they're meaning? Well, what I
know about bear sprays. I've been in two instances where
people have gotten hosed by spray, me and another person,
but I haven't been I haven't hosed a bear that yet.
I've shot in front of bears, you know, shot in
front of him to try to spook them. But what
(22:40):
I think what they're getting at is aim low with spray.
You know, you want to get so that bears like
twenty yards. If he's coming, and he's coming and he
gets to twenty yards, what they're saying is hose down
in front of him so that you're not blowing it
back over the top of them, but you're owing it.
(23:01):
I would think you're aiming. If he's coming, you're aiming
down at his feet, you know, if.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
He's coming up running and peeing everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yeah, because you're putting out a cloud of that stuff, right,
and man, I know. So I interviewed a girl one
time that was getting mauled by a grizzly and she
had her spray on her chest. She was a grizzly
bear researcher. She had her spray on her chest and
the bear got her down and it actually got one
of its one of its canines, and through pop through
(23:33):
her skull. But she had her spray on her chest
and without even being able to see the bear was
able to take that spray in her chest and shoot
it like over her own shoulder and got it in
the face and it dropped her. I interviewed another dude
that last year he got malled. All he managed to
(23:54):
do is get his spray out before the bear hit him,
and the bear was mauling him and he was trying
to so he had his spray. There's like a ring
on your spray. It looks like like a trigger guard.
It's like a little handle, and he had his spray
like hanging from that ring. Like here's a people that
are watching, like I'm holding a suppressor, but picture that
I had a ring on it. So he's holding the
(24:15):
canister like this, and he goes to protect They always
tell you to protect the back of your neck with
your hands if you're getting muled. And he goes to
protect the back of his neck, but he's got that
spray on there like a ring. And that bear bit
through the spray and hosed itself by biting the spray
and got a mouthful of that and dropped him and
(24:37):
ran off. And what's hilarious, dude, is my kids lost
one of my sprays last summer, and later me and
my wife find the spray laying all that this place
where we can't we final where they drop the spray,
and the spray is erupted, and it's got four big
bite marks in it, like a bear found that and
bit because there's something about there's something about the smell
(25:02):
of it that, in small doses is attractive to him.
I'll never get it, man, but it bit that sucker,
so he must have got a faceful. He must have
got a faceful of that junk.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
My fear was because I'll be in like action movies
where they have like the rocket launcher and the person
that doesn't know how to use it holds it up
and they end up shooting backward. That happens, and my
fear was if a bear's coming at me, okay, and
I end up spraying myself because they can. Luckily never
had to use it. But they also said, like, don't
shoot a bear because you will get in trouble if
you shoot a bear unless you can actually prove you're
(25:35):
being attacked or threatened. And I thought, if there's anywhere
near me like something's getting shot me or it like
something's getting shot. But that was their big lesson was
the reason we say this is because we can't have
people shooting bears.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Well, they do investigate it, but I mean every year,
you know, like in the state I live in, you know,
we got a thousand grizzly bears right in this area,
you know. I mean, we could argue all day about
the exact numbers, but we got grizzy bears. We have
ten times as many black bears, which never kill anybody
in Montana. But every year grizzlies dust off one or
(26:11):
two people in Montana. And every year people dust off
a handful of grizzlies and they get killed by a
lot of times, you get killed by bow hunters who
are hunt elk and they'll investigate it. But oftentimes it's
totally legitimate. Man. It's like you know, you're you get
(26:35):
hit or you got one coming at you. But yeah,
they'll come out the US Fish and Wildlife Service, they'll
investigate the incidents. They'll find out if you were jumpy,
you know, if it was going away at forty yards
and it was walking away and you shoot it, yeah,
you're gonna be in trouble because you just got too jumpy. Yeah,
if that thing's coming at you and it's five yards
away and no one's gonna they're not gonna blame you.
(26:56):
But people gotta be cool headed. That's the thing about spray,
Like it's people argue this in my world, Like people
argue this all day long, dude, people like this ruins friendships,
this argument of pistols versus bear spray. But like it
does seem there's a very compelling case to be made
that spray is better, especially if you're not like a
(27:18):
super experienced marksman with a pistol, because with spray, you
don't need to be accurate. You just need to be
in the right in the right direction, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
With your show hunting, Well, yeah, it also feels to
me like you know, bird shot, a buckshot versus a
slug or a rifle, right like you if you got
one shot for me, I'm not going to be as
good of a shot as some of my friends. So
I want that spread to be as wide as possible.
And that's basically what the bear spray is versus a
pistol or rifle.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, everybody likes to think there's some commando with their pistol,
you know, dude.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, hunting history, what's interesting to me is how people
hunted before we existed.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
I grew up in Arkansas where there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Of Native America and their arrowheads just randomly in places,
and to me it was wild and how they would
create arrows. Like to you, because you've spent so much
time studying this, documenting that you've made this into a show,
like what is the technology that now we look at
to go, how in the heck do they do that?
But they were able to be effective hunting.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
You know. I was having this discussion in the r
day with a historian who spends a lot of time
working on questions around what would it have been like
for the first humans to come into the New World?
Like what would have been like the first people to
touch the ground and what is now the United States.
And there's this idea that these hunters, these ice age
(28:47):
hunters we call them clob as hunters now or other names,
that these ice age hunters were able to wipe out
mammoths using spheares. And you'd say, well, how in the
world is that possible. But picture it like this, that
like the mammas had never seen anybody before, you know,
(29:08):
so we get accustom now to wildlife that has a
pretty good familiarity with humans.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
You'll see that. You'll see with all these different species
that they have a pretty good sense of what is
a safe distance from people. Compare that to accounts that
you read of like whalers being the first people to
ever step foot on some island, like even in the
early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, like whalers will be
the first people to arrive at an island. And look
(29:38):
what they describe. They describe you walk up and literally
pick up wildlife, birds land on you. Things exhibit zero
fear of people. I'm not detracting from the skill sets
of these ancient hunters, but they were in a different
set of circumstances dealing with wildf They had a different
(30:01):
sense of what the threat that humans presented. You know.
So now if you're bow hunting elk, it might be
really challenging to get forty yards from an elk that's
had some hunting pressure put on it, right, But maybe
a few hundred years ago it was pretty easy to
(30:21):
get Maybe it was challenging to get four or five
yards away from an elk, right. So the technologies have changed,
but so is the response, the human response to animals.
It's a real rich field of inquiry, man, And that's
just like one element. The other element of it is
is that if you live in a lot of states
(30:41):
now and you're like a big deer hunter, you might
only have a ten day deer season. So you could
identify as a deer hunter, and you might read about
deer hunting and dream about deer hunting, but when it
comes down to it, you deer hunt ten days, you know,
for some people. Now imagine that. Imagine that you deer
(31:02):
hunted two hundred days a year in the same areas
that your father hunted two hundred days a year for
forty years, in the same area that your grandfather hunted
two days a year or two hundred days a year
for forty years. Imagine the body of knowledge that you
would have accumulated. So like, our ideas about hunting and
(31:26):
tactical understandings of it are probably just like nothing compared
to people that lived a hunter gather lifestyle. And I've
been fortunate to travel in South America with in you know,
indigenous hunter gathers, and I'm telling you can't keep up
with them. Mentally, you can't keep up with them.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I was going through and I don't I definite don't
want to spoil anything in the work that you've done.
But I've been fascinated with Dbe Cooper. I can envision
the drawing that has existed in mind. I can just
see it, the drawing of him and what they think
he looked like, and how he did and how he
jumped out of the plane. Do you think he survived?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
You know what I went in. We did a Yeah,
we did a hunting history episode on dB. Cooper. We
just focused on that question because a lot of it,
like like our focus is always on these areas of
mysteries that have a wilderness component to have like a
survival component or a hunter gatherer component, And with dB
Cooper we got into that that this jump the jump zone,
(32:22):
so just for people to for quick recap. In the
nineteen seventies, there was this there was this like epidemic
of skyjackings. D B. Cooper is the only unsolved skyjacking
in US history where a guy gets on a plane,
takes hostages, demands money, gets the money, jumps out of
a plane never to be seen again, jumps out in Washington.
The FBI identified a drop zone based on all these
(32:43):
different inputs, and it was like rugged, mountainous terrain, heavily forested.
I always, just as a passive, like you know, dB Cooper,
observer reader, I always saw there's no way the guy lived.
You know, he jumped out at night, he didn't pack
his own shoot I just thought the reason they never
(33:04):
found him is he was burrowed into the mucking moss
somewhere and that was it. Right. But man, after working
on that episode and hanging around with you know, Paara,
shooters that have done like twelve thousand jumps, military paratroopers, dude,
these people that really know that world, They're like, no,
(33:24):
there's no reason to think he wasn't fine. They're just like,
why no, land in the tree don't matter? Land Like
They're like, he definitely is fine. It really changed my idea.
So then it brings up the next question is what
happened to him when he hit the ground and what
did he do?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
They found money too, like like parts of dollar bills
in the area, but they did well.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah they did.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
What do you not say?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
What do you what are you trying to not say
right now?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
What do you what do you think? No?
Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, no, they did. It was the money way away
from there in the clumb or way away from the
FBI's drops. A kid was clearing out a place to
make a fire on the beach on the Columbia River
on a mud bar. He's cleared out a little place
to make a fire and finds a stack of rotten
twenty dollars bills. And this is in the eighties. If
(34:16):
you look at the FBI's drop zone, Okay, what the
FBI determined to be the drop zone. If dB cooper
it dropped that money either in the air, threw it
out of the plane whatever, like, landed, lost it, whatever,
and you put it into a creek and there's a
lot of rivers and creeks there, and you put it
(34:36):
in a creek, it would not have washed to the
place where it was deposited in a gravel bar. So
either the drop zone is all the way way off,
either it's way off and he dropped it, or whatever
(34:58):
the hell happened, or some one after the fact, someone
later after the fact went and buried that stuff. There
a guy I interview and hang out with in there
who is a real he's like a citizen sleuth type
that has really dedicated himself to the DV Cooper mystery.
He thinks that the FBI's drop zone was off and
(35:20):
they were way off, and that dB Cooper buried that
stuff in the gravel bar. What's funny, now, when I
went to the spot, when you go to the spot,
you're sitting nine feet below where they found the money.
So if you said it, where'd you find the money,
it was nine feet over your head because that gravel
bar is gone now the Columbia River ate it. So, dude,
(35:43):
it's like it is such a rabbit hole, man, you
can't It'll like, dude, if you get into the whole
DV Cooper thing and you start unraveling all the things
that it'll kill you. I mean it'll kill you because
it's too much, too much. It's such a perfect it's
like the perfect mystery. It's the gift that keeps giving.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
The show Hunting History with Steven Roanella. It's eight episodes.
He's teaming up with the historians, an archaeologist, and a
really cool cast of outdoor professionals. And it's very much storytelling.
And I think that's what you know, having consumed your
content in different ways. I think that's what's a bit
different about this is it feels to me like this
is a new element because there is so much storytelling involved.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, it is. Man, when we were looking at all
these stories, like we did a great one on the
Donner Party too.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
That's crazy at all these stories the Donnor Party is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They will you just give a brief description of that
so people know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Oh yeah, I was telling this some I was telling
the story to my kids last night or dinner. So
in eighteen forty six, people are through at the Oregon Trail.
Right well, in eighteen forty six, this big group of
families they all leave Missouri and they're traveling together or
over the Oregon Trail, and this group of them, these
are kind of loose groupings of families, but this group
(36:55):
of them, under this under the leadership, with this patriot,
this Donner fellow, they decide to take a thing called
the Hastings cut Off, which is supposed to be a
short cut to California. In fact, it's like a long cut.
It's worse conditions. And now we understand with you know
now that you can look at a map, it's actually longer.
(37:16):
So it's like a longer, worse route billed as a
short cut. So that when they get to the they
have to cross the Sierra Nevada. The picture of this
is the mountain range. It separates like Nevada from California. Great,
you know, great skiing destination. Now they have to cross
the Sierra Vana. There's a early blizzard, there's early snowstorm,
and it catches them way up in the mountains. It's
(37:38):
early enough in the year they think that maybe it'll
melt off and they'll be able to continue on their way,
but it just gets worse and worse, to the point
where eventually they can't even backtrack. They can't go back
the way they came and they get stuck there. What
they're really famous for is they're famous for cannibalism. So
if you make a joke about the Donner Party today,
like Donner Family Dinner right, winds up being as a
(38:00):
cannibalism joke. And they did resort to cannibalism. However, there's
like this thing and I knew all that outline, right,
but here here's here's what I did never, I never
thought about. And I have three kids. Over half of
the people in the Donner Party were little kids, were children,
and children wound up being of the survivors. Over half
(38:24):
of the Donner Party survived, and children were far more
likely than the adults to survive the ordeal. So you
could look at the Donner Party as this American horror
story about these people committing this atrocity of cannibalism, or
you could look at it like this, which is the
conclusion I come away with. You could look at it
like this, It was people family doing everything possible, and
(38:51):
I mean everything possible to keep their children alive. Very
different like of looking at something. And when I got done,
I'm like, dude, I'm gonna stop making jokes about I'm
gonna stop making Donner Party cannibalism jokes.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
It was a herrowing thing, and it's and it's and
they get kind of blamed for it, you know, but dude,
it was a freak blizzard and people had successfully crossed
the Sierra Nevada had successfully crossed later in the year
than they did. It was just they were just victims
of horrible luck and something really bad happened him. They
(39:31):
weren't like, they weren't dumb, they weren't desperate. I mean,
they got desperate, but they were.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
It's it's like this heroic tale that has been just
kind of abused over the years.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I think I like to encourage everybody check it out
Hunting History with Steven Arnella and follow Stephen at Stevenarrella
on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
I really appreciate the half hour he spent with Stephen.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Great stories, big fan, and I again, who the heck
was dB Cooper? Even I think I've watched so many
many documentaries, documentaries, I've watched tiktoks on people's theories then
all of it.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I didn't know who you guys were talking about, but
I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Do you see the picture of them, though, does it
recognize it?
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I didn't even look at it. I'm all in the
when we're done with it, I'm all in.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Can I tell you one last funny thing?
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So after like while working on that DV Cooper deal. Later,
I get a message from a guy who sends me
some pictures of the FBI guy, the FBI agent who
was prepping the people to do the composite drawing. So
the picture you're talking about of what he supposed he
looks like it was so funny? Is the drawing looks
(40:42):
astonishingly similar to the FBI agent, Like here was the
last guy they talked to, and it almost like they
described the last dude they spoke That is.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Weird, Steve. I appreciate you, man. I hope you have
a great day. Good luck with the series, and hopefully
I'll run it. See you somewhere, man.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
I'd like to meet you sometime. Man, but I'll let
you go now. I'll take care, all.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Right, buddy, see you later.
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Speaker 1 (42:36):
I saw where twenty four seven sports had the five
worst NFL teams to be a fan of, according to science.
So according to science, yeah, okay, So they use a
lot of different things, performance relative to expectations, draft decisions,
roster talent, fan morale. So before I read you this
and we can go any sport, this will be NFL. Okay,
(42:58):
and this will be in conclusion, what team does it
suck to be a fan of? And I will go first, Well,
I have to the Arkansas Razorbacks. Anytime we get a blip,
it goes away quick. And then I've been a Chicago
Cups fan my whole life. We had it in twenty sixteen.
That was great, but it's very difficult up until that point,
(43:18):
it's been difficult since that's a self I'm a selfish
I'm a loser in sports, from my sports SCEINMS, I'm
a loser. So I'll put them up on the list.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
The Razorbacks. Yeah, I didn't choose it.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
It shows you, It shows.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
Me and I.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
If anything, I am consistent and I start crying, you know,
I stay with my people. So I will never not
be a Cups fan. I will never not be an
Arkansas Razor Backe fan. But it's been tough, Eddie.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
Are you going with the Are you going with the Cowboys?
Speaker 8 (43:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (43:56):
No, I love being a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
But hard to be a fan is the question.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
It's very different to be a fan one because America
hates you, like people just hate this. People hate Cowboys fans.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Why do you think that is? Though? No, you don't
just exist. We do exist, but you don't just exist.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I was gonna ask, but you kind of answered the
question because that's not true. Why do you think people
hate Cowboys fans?
Speaker 4 (44:15):
I think the whole America's team. Uh, we're always you know,
and the media covers us all the time. That's part
of the Yes, even if we're bad, they cover how
bad we are. Like bad decisions, they cover the bad decisions.
I don't know, man, and we're always just there, like
primetime too, TV puts us at prime time. I think
(44:36):
that the whole media, sports talk all them want the
Cowboys as far as topics go. But fans they're just like,
shut up, our team's way better than the Cowboys, and
you never cover us.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I think Cowboys fans they have a sense of
importance when they really don't as far as how good
the team has been. But that team gets clicks and
use so they get shoved in everybody's face even when
they're bad.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
So then people resent them, Like I think my son
got mad the like in the season because we got
game of the week or something and it was like
us in the Giants, like how is this the game
of the week.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
But it's also people like you going, I don't get it.
I don't get we just exist. That's just not true.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
You exist.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
You're shoved down everybody's throats, and if you could just admit,
is that our fault? But if you could admit, I
know what's annoying? All everybody wants to talk about Cowboys
and we suck. It would be different, but Cowboys fans
have a sense of belonging when they don't really belong.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I guess it's kind of cool though that, like they
cover us any anyway, Like even if we're bad and
we're hurting or whatever, it's still kind of cool that
people still talk about the Cowboys because they get clicks. Yeah,
but that has nothing to do with us. We're just living.
That's not sure.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
You're not just living though you're America's team. You say it, Casey.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Well, I mean, I gotta go with the New York
freaking Jets. It's New York in the winter. The field sucks,
the owner sucks. He got an f in the grading thing.
Uh yeah, it's it's I feel like we're the number
one thing on this list.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
We're not number one money on that.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
No.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Oh, okay, Brown, number one.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
Brown, number one.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
NFL, let's go baseball then real quick. It sucks to
be a fan of I'm gonna go Kansas City. They
have a small market team, no love. Uh, they don't
spend money. Baseball does not have a salary cap, so
they'll have to pay extra taxes. But the Yankees can
spend all they want. The Dodgers can spend all they want,
and they do, and so luxury tax is different.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
Than a cap. And in the NBA they have different
like aprons. Right yeah, but baseball.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You just spend all you want, get all you want,
and then you'll pay a little luxury tax on it.
It's wild and that's why the teams like the Yankees
and the Dodgers. I say, Yankees, they don't want World
Series is, but they're always in the mix.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah. Yeah, about what about the A's, Like they still
share a field.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
The A's aren't even the A's are moving. I think, yeah,
that's how much that's tough.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's got to be hard, like if you're
a lifelong A's fan.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
So the A's exist, but not in Oakland anymore. It's
gonna be the Las Vegas I guess.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Yeah, all their teams are gone now right because the
Raiders and uh the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
I mean real though it's Oakland like, but what were
they doing with the team anyway? Like San Francisco. I
understand you're a big market Oakland.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
Don't be a hater.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Dade don't a city on a city, So I go Royals,
you know, the Indians can be tough. All They've had
some good teams, but that can be tough if they
don't spend money. The small market teams in baseball, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
The good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Basketball, harlet, Oh, Charlotte terrible. I'd hate to be a
Charlotte fan. I'd hate to be a Pelicans fan.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
And the Pelicans, it's not their fault. They missed on
Zion because they didn't miss they had to drive Zion.
They got lucky enough to get the number one overall
pick and that set them back. Yeah, so it would
suck to be a Pelicans fan.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Have the Hawks done anything?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I mean, Trey Young keeps them in that mediocre play
where he goes and scores forty but they don't win.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Like he's like every once in a while to go
to New York and you know, beat the Knicks and
choke himself. Yeah. Yeah, let's bike Lee here. Atlanta will
be a tough, tough basketball team. Be a fan of it,
because they really they don't suck. They're the Steelers of
the NBA where they don't suck enough. They finally did
get a top pick this last year and it was
the worst draft ever.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, and they have stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And they have you know, as of right now, one
of the top three picks for nexture, but the Spurs
own their pick. So yeah, be tough to being a
Hawks fan.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Trailblazers too.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
I feel like it's been pretty rough.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
And you're so disconnected up there, which is why players
really don't want to go up there.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Yeah, that would be tough. And then football, all these
are football ready.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Number five the Tennessee Titans, we know this, but we
don't expect anything at this point.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Who who's their best player? Like right now, right now,
I've thought about that. I'm like, man, I can't name.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
Super Yeah the cornerback that came from Kansas City.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Yeah sneat, Yeah, Steed's good.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Oh yeah, okay, But again, football has so many freaking
positions that unless you're more than a casual, you're not
even gonna know that. Their colors look slow.
Speaker 6 (49:11):
Everything's about the how's the kicker for the Titans.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
I don't even know the kicker I'm going to tell
you now.
Speaker 7 (49:17):
With the whole science factor, though, it's like.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So performance versus expectations. The Titans have had fluctuating success,
with recent seasons not meeting heightened expectations set by previous
year's playoff appearances, so anytime they play well, they tend
to not play as well the next year draft decision.
Some first round picks have not delivered the anticipated impact,
affecting the team's competitiveness. I would look back when they
(49:40):
traded AJ Brown and they ended up drafting Treylon Burks
from Arkansas, and he's been hurt the whole time. Yeah,
like they lost a guy. I mean, they got a
pick and they use that to draft somebody.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
In an AJ Brown clone workout roster talent.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
They've had players like Derrick Henry, but other areas like
offensive line have kept Henry from flourishing. And now he
doesn't play with them, and he goes to the freaking
Ravens and crushes great looks like he's twenty five years
old and fan morale. The Nashville fan base is dedicated,
but his face disappointment due to unmet expectations and playoff shortcomings.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
I bought tickets for five bucks. Man, Oh that's a pop.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
That's bad.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
And sometimes there will be games I drive by the
stadium here game during game day. Hey yeah, and it's cold.
I'm like, who would ever go sit in that terrible team.
Speaker 6 (50:26):
I thought. Once I got on.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
The NFL Network show and a good Morning Football, Good
Morning Football. Yes, I was thinking, money want a quarterback,
Good Morning Football, and I was talking about the Titans
and how bad they were, and I was just going on.
I was just doing a bit, and I don't know
if it ever got back to them, but if it did,
we ain't gonna be welcoming over there anymore, because yeah,
I was just riffing. Yeah. Do you see Zach Mettenberger,
(50:55):
the old quarterback for the Titans, is now coaching. I
believe Father Ryan high.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
School one school, but he's so in.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
This picture where they announce him, and you may look
at this up, Mike, it's one of those Christian private schools.
He's covered in tattoos on his arms and everybody's just
going to talent.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
I'm like, this is not Christian. This is not Christian's
got tattooed.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
If it's Father Ryan, it's a Catholic school.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
I think unbelievable that people were looking at his tattoos
and going that does not represent what year are we in?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I know it's Father Ryan high School. Crazy.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
I felt bad for him.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
You got it, NFL quarterback coming to coach, and you've
got these parents going, he can't coach our Christian school.
Speaker 6 (51:28):
Look at his tattoos.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
Is this nineteen twenty two? Is this sailor on leave
getting tattoos out the port?
Speaker 7 (51:34):
It sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Crazy now number four of the commanders, but they are
on the way up. The team has experienced limited postseason
success in recent decades, but generally underperforming.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
And they should be happy from last year.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Dan Snyder sucked as an owner. That's what this is.
That's just Dan Snyder sucking. They have anue owner now,
so that's why you're actually seeing the team play well.
Speaker 6 (51:57):
New leadership. Next up the Jet to three.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
All right, Casey, it's all right. I had a feeling a.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Lot of draft inconsistency and struggles with early round picks.
Speaker 7 (52:12):
Yeah, we have drafted a lot of the defensive players
that have not panned out. I remember d Milliner, the
cornerback from Alabama, was supposed to be a stud. He
was didn't turn out to be much. Yeah, Jamal Adams.
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Are crying out too. Yeah, it's Casey and I just
crying in his whole segment.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
You know, my kids asked me about Mark Sanchez, like franchise. Yeah, yeah,
that's what we believed. They're like, what kind of quarterback
was he? And I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
I don't really remember ended the ball.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
A lot, but I would say he's one of the
quarterbacks that probably never had the ability to show how
good of a quarterback he was because the people around
him weren't good. Yeah, if you get drafted into a
you know, a bad organization, it almost doesn't matter because
you see that with guys like you know, Bryce Young,
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, where they go in and they
(53:01):
suck and you're like, well they're losers. But then they
go somewhere else, not Bryce Young, yet new coach came in,
but they go somewhere else and they play pretty good
to really good, and you're going, man, it's all about
where you land. Like you have to have the skills,
but it's all about where you land. And Sanchez took
them to the AFC two years.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
In a row.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Yeah, yeah, in the in the beginning of his career.
But then when we had to actually rely on him
to do something, you couldn't do it, And then we
had t Bow. I don't know if you guys remember
we had like the t Bow Sanchez dual connection.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
Thing they played at the same time.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
Yeah, Rex Ryan picked up t Bow after Denver. I
can't recall a year, but yeah, we've we've done a
lot of experiments blocking that out failures.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
I can't recall blocked the trauma trauma, and.
Speaker 6 (53:40):
Cleveland's at one. Who thinks of two? What's the one
football team I left out that? Do you think.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Jacksonville?
Speaker 6 (53:46):
Jacksonville's got to be tough, not top five, probably not
been around long enough overall, Like you don't have a
lot of grandparents that were Jaguar fans that have passed
it down because they didn't exist.
Speaker 7 (53:56):
Yeah, yeah, true, Okay.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Chargers mm hmmm. A lot of disappointment, but no, the
team's good now.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Detroit Yeah, oh yeah, we forget how terrible they have
been for decades because of what Dan Campbell's been able
to do. But the Lions have a history of unmet expectations.
They went oh sixteen in two thousand and eight. They've
had high draft picks. Man, they drafted wide receivers like
every year for a while. Yeah, it was just one
after the other Calvin Johnson was awesome, Matthew Stafford was good,
(54:24):
but they'd never had real success decades without a Super
Bowl appearance. And shout out line fans for remaining a
Lion fan because that had been tough.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
Oh and sixteen, that's brutal man. Yeah, I remember that season.
Speaker 7 (54:39):
Orlowski he didn't he get the safety going in the end,
going backwards.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, and it's like didn't even though he ran out,
like ran all the way back and they came back in.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Did you see her Lobsky at the Super Bowl walking
around Radio Road. He's he's really tall, like really tall.
You could see him towering over people. I'm like, wow,
I had no idea is that tall.
Speaker 6 (54:58):
Orlovski he was with the Colts when he did that,
right he was.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
I think it was the Lions.
Speaker 6 (55:01):
I think that maybe you're maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
All that bad yeah, all that bad play all blends together.
I did not see Orlowski. But those guys are big.
It's like even Matt Castle, he's like six four. I know,
you don't even think of a guy being that big
because he just looks average on screen, and they're they're giants. Okay,
anybody raid any teams that are terrible that you feel
bad for their fans.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Hm.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
I just feel like I would hate to live in Wisconsin.
So now we're going at the whole state. Yeah, we're
just no reason, no reason.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
What's like pretty good?
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Why would you hate Wisconsin? To be honest, I can't
say that. I've never even been there, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I just imagine it's super flat, a lot of corn cold.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
It's not flat, really, it's a little hilly, especially when
you get out in that milk country.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, have no response. I don't remember being flat or hilly.
I know the people are super nice. There's a lot
of cheese, and it's way cold, so anywhere cold. Not
a fan of as far as like living there. But
I feel like that was not very kind of you
to pick on Wisconsin for no reason.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
It just that's what came to I picked on Oakland,
so I apologize too. That's my bat.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
You've been to Oakland, haven't you?
Speaker 4 (56:03):
No? I never been.
Speaker 6 (56:05):
No, I've been Oakland.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Been in San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (56:06):
Hey, I've been Oakland.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
What's the lot over there?
Speaker 6 (56:08):
You know I'm a favorite, I'll be honest with you,
not a favorite at all. Good luck everybody, we'll be
back before the game start. But good luck everybody.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
I guess if you're betting all on the playing games,
good luck, then don't. Don't put all your money in
the playing games, you know the first four? Yeah, all right,
thank you guys, Eddie bulderwhistle.
Speaker 6 (56:27):
We're out here.
Speaker 4 (56:28):
Here we go, it's coming.
Speaker 6 (56:31):
Thank you guys. See later on.
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Speaker 3 (01:28):
Hey, what's up. It's Kevin here. Just wanted to hop
on here real quick. Let you know before you get
started with this episode that we did record this before
the Cooper flag injury this past weekend. It looks like
he'll be okay to play, but you should know that
we did record this prior to the injury happening in
the injury news. With that being said, though, enjoy the episode.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
This is a podcast came twenty five King Basketball and
they are were a wiz. So yeah, it's too bad.
But what did you expect it's a podcast?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Come twenty five.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Blowth wistles already?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Third, third, it's the great wait my tunes wrong, O
got it's music down.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It's the most wonderful.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Time of the years. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
This weekend, the Thursday on Friday, especially the Thursday, Friday,
Saturday and Sunday is still cool.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Yes, the first full four day week is awesome. It's
the best.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, and we're lucky because we kind of have hours
where we can watch the first games.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, I got a second. Get have a second every
year just so I can stay home. So every year,
I guess every year that reason, all right, And the
Thursday Friday, if you can just get a couple games
that were going in the direction of looking like an upset,
because you got like true TV t it got.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
The whole things up in the court.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
There have been years where it's sucked and there are
no upsets anywhere, and those mild fun. I mean, if
you get a couple, it's so awesome because you can
just flip around. And thankfully YouTube TV they settled their
a little deal with param you guys, YouTube TV ors. Yeah,
I guys, I love it. Aside from basketball. Isn't it
the greatest everything? Everything? And this is not a commercial, no, no, no,
(03:16):
But if you're a sports fan, you decide if you're
getting paid right now, well, I'm.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
No. I was thinking of YouTube TV. Want to say,
you know, yeah, what's up guys.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Anyways, if you're a sports fan, it's the best casey
your thoughts on YouTube TV.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
I mean for NFL Sunday Ticket, the four games. But yes,
March Madness is the best, especially yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
When Sunday Ticket because they moved over there. Yeah, and
I haven't got to experience it March Madness yet because
you get to do the four screens generally.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
But oh my gosh, I'm gonna have a boner for.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like a like a basketball different is different. My father
and all listen to this, And so I pulled back
right when I was about to say that joke.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
And then I want to tell you what.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Happened in my head right there. This is all happened
within about point three seconds. I was gonna say, Man,
I get such a boner watching college basketball. Can you
imagine four games at once? That's I call your doctor
if it's up for four hours. And I was just
gonna make that analogy. Then at the same time, I thought,
I know my father in law listens to a lot
(04:17):
of this, so maybe I don't want to make a
boner reference. But then I thought, I don't want to
not be me, and he wouldn't want me to not
be me correctly, even though he probably was like, do
you need to make the Boner reference? All that was
point three in my head and I still said it,
but it was like this, and I had I had
a boner for it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
What I've learned is because like my mother in law
listens to and like really yes, And I've done the
same thing where I'm like, should I say that my
mother in law's listening? What I've learned is they're cool, man,
because they love us for who we are. And I
even my mother in law never mentions things wherever I
talk about her or anything like that, but I know
she knows it, so I think she's okay with it.
(04:57):
She doesn't act any different. She still loves me, and
she she still listens.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, I don't question if he loves me any less
until now. Great, I my wife doesn't listen to anything,
and that's not her being not supportive that's her when
I get home, going, Bro, I'm with you for nine hours? Correct,
why I don't want to hear you do the same
crap you do here at home then? And I'm like
I still, I'm like, eh, I get it.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It is different you though, Like it's a different you
when you get home then it's it's worse though, got it? Yeah,
I got it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And also she doesn't really care about sports like this, yeah,
but like it does.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
And he may not hear this.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm sure he can't listen to everything because I now
have forty seven podcasts, which is way too many. But
he'll message me and say, hey, I heard you talking
to whomever is listening to this song. Like I rarely
can feel a compliment and genuinely feel it and it
makes me feel good. But he was listening to me
maybe with Matt Jenkins.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
We just did. He was episode yeah, and he said, oh,
casey too.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I got another.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Texted me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He was like, I was listening to your Matt jenkinsing
and he wasn't saying it like, hey, I'm listening to
you talk to Matt Jenkins.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm looking I'm listening to you. He just sent a
reference about it and like I was deeply complimented and
I don't really know that feeling of support because my
life I didn't have.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
I'm not saying that like I.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Was unsupported because I want people pushing against me, but
I just didn't have that. And so that's weird that
even me to having a bonus conversation triggers all the
memory of like, how.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Like touched.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I well, I know I touched. I get when that
like that happens. And I don't know that he'll hear this,
and I hope to god he does it. And now
at this point, I hope he doesn't. I hope he doesn't.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
But we are here. It's it's basketball. It's the greatest,
the best.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Just pick a team to win at all man, because
we're not gonna break down, Brad, I get bored and
people go down everything, every everything. Let's just pick one
team to do. You guys want to all put five
bucks in?
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah? Yes, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, So Mike, you want to in or no, I'll
go in. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six. I
don't need your money right now. Read, but we'll just
all do it. Read reads up and change on the table.
So if we have multiple picks, you get one pick
to one at all.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Right, but if like multiple people pick the same team, you'll.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Split the money.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So but everybody have your answer written down, say you
cannot change it.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And if you want to do more than five, you can.
We can do ten, but that's two teams. No, it's
one team, but.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
It'd be worth a little more in case we split.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Let's do ten bucks.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I have learned. My wife will say sometimes, hey, you
can't use other people's money. If like we go to
dinner and I'm like, I want to do all this
advertising and I plan to pay for everything. But then
some people are like, we don't want you to pay
for all everything all the time. If she's like, you
have to consider that that people get tired. People don't
like it when you pay for their meal all the time.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Well that's yeah, I don't know. It is that they
feel like they're burdening you.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I'm like, I enjoy it because one people pay
for my meals my whole life, and now that I
have money, I love doing it. So I have to
think about other people before I just go, let's not
get ten dollars. So if you would like to knock
it to know we can.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I vote ten dollars ten pretty good.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Yeah, Reid's crying. I'm ready, let's go twenty. What are
you talking about, Mike?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Ten?
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Okay, ten is good.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, So we have sixty bucks total. Pick your one
team and Kevin.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Duke, you suck, you suck dude. We hate you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Cooper flag baby, and I can't change mind, can't change
it now, no changing it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I should have pulled out all the low seeds and
we should have picked somebody like an eight or below.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
We made still to do that real quick. Okay, Okay,
Duke sucks. I hate dude. They're actually really good though,
what suck?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Cooper Flags and.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They've got two nasty freshmen and Cooper. Yeah, Mike going
to Auburn.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It's good, Mike Reid.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I'm gonna go flow rudder. Good pick, oh good, pick Eddie.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I'm splitting the money with Kevin. I'm going to Duke
go Blue Devils.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I'm sweeping man which and I broom in the Auburn.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I'm wondering what that man.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
We're gonna be splitting that up. Okay, how about this, okay,
how about this? Pick a team yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Didn't he No, I didn't go, said, oh my bad.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I thought that meant you had Duke. Who do you have?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
I gotta go a little contralting Saint John's baby Rick Patino.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I like this team.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I like to apologize for not going. I thought you
picked Duke. I like to apologize. It's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
He's such a New.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
York pick a team.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
We all have to agree to the team being a
mid or lower, and whomever's team goes the furthest we'll
do a.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Five dollars bet. It's all good with that one.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yes, yeah, okay, don't look at my team.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So like out of the running Duke Auburn, Florida, Houston, Bama, Tennessee,
Michigan State, Saint John's, Iowa State, Kentucky, Texas Tech, Maryland.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Those were kind of all out of it.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
You didn't say the team.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, I'm still might though, but just looking at the bracket, here,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You want me to go first, yep, I'm gonna go Texas,
A and M.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Why oh they played I like A and M because
they cannot shoot. They do not play offense. It's like
they don't even want the ball. They just give it
back on defense. It's god dang.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
They play hard. They do play they do I like
Texas A and M. They play hard. I like it.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And they have a player within the last name Garcia.
So I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
They go nice Kevin, I'm gonna go Arizona. Yeah that's good. Yeah,
I like it. Okay, I accept it. You guys don't
have to accept it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
But no, Arizona is accepted.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And I what sucks is already eliminated Texas Tech, and
I was my boy. I wish I wouldn't have eliminated him.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Okay, cal go ahead, Casey.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You're gonna go with Louisville. That's good.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
That's not how you say.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It, Louisville. Yeah, we're in New York.
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Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yes, okay, read Can I go Gonzaga? I think so? Right, Yeah,
I think so. I'm just trying to yeah, yeah, I
think I think that's fine for Maryland.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I think one. I'm gonna Gonzaga Zaga.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I gotta go SEC just because I've watched them play
so much. I'm gonna go Missouri.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I have not seen them play I have, or Michigan.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was gonna pick Michigan too, because artists all play
Michigan and they're good and I liked Dust. I'm gonna
go Michigan, Michigan, SEC. I know, well, but I had
to pick a team of Arkans. All played and we
beat them good cool, and I'm just not picking Arkansas
because I don't want.
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Speaker 1 (13:06):
This guy massive. He's an avid hunter, rider, wild foods enthusiast.
Steven Ronella. I love this interview so much. He's a
New York Times best selling author because he's an expert.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
He's a TV host.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He's the founder of the outdoor lifestyle and media brand
Meat Eater. He has a new show that's been launched
called Hunting History with Steven Ronella. It is an eight
part series diving into a bunch of American history in
the wilderness. To go check that out. You'll see the internoes.
But I thought this would be fun. This ended up
being awesome. You can follow Steven on Instagram at Steven Ronella.
(13:39):
Here he is Steve Rannella. Hey Steven, thanks for the time.
I have a lot to talk about with you. First
of all, I will receive a bit of crap from people.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I grew up in Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I had a fourten at nine years old, and I
was kind of just allowed to hunt mostly rabbit or squirrel,
Like fourteen was my first gun. And people are like,
you had a gun at nine or ten, And I
talked about how it was a tool more than a
lot of people see it as a weapon. For you,
When did you get your first gun? When could you
hunt by yourself?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Oh? Man, you know, it's funny you bring that up,
because we used to be like, I remember kids. I
remember this one kid in particular that moved I grew
up in West Michigan, and I remember this one kid
that moved from like out of town into our area,
you know, and I remember his mom just being astounded,
like horrified that kids would ride around on bikes with
(14:29):
twenty two's slung over there, slung over their back, you know,
like we just we just roamed around as little kids hunting.
You know, it was all back then. It was just
tons of woods around that area. I don't even remember,
you know, I hate to say it. Well, they changed
the rules now, so it's actually would we would start
(14:53):
hunting before you were legally allowed to hunt, which sounds bad,
But then the state went and changed the rules, so
now it wouldn't be that it was illegal. They moved
the ages back. But we just started hunting early. My
dad liked it. He liked he wanted us to be
out in the woods, and he thought if you were
doing that, then that's what you ought to be doing.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Similar where again, I was born in the eighties, so
there weren't as many rules. And again now from a
town of seven hundred people in rural Arkansas, so the
rules were just different based on lifestyle. But it was hey,
once you're like ten, get a Hunter's ED card. But
I was already hunting, so Hunter's that was easy. So
I got my card. But that was like the stamp
(15:34):
of you're now able to say you're hunting because you
have your Hunter's Ed card, and then it became a
license type thing. I don't even know what the law is, like,
how what is the law to actually have a gun
and hunt?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Now?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Well, man, they keep moving it back. I love it
because again, let's take Michigan. I can speak to a
bunch of different states where I've had some exposure, but
in Michigan it would be that you couldn't hunt small
game to your twelve Okay, you could hunt archery deer,
so you'd hunt deer with a bow at twelve, and
(16:07):
you couldn't hunt deer with a rifle till you were fourteen.
Now they've gotten rid of all that stuff. Now it's
up to the parent, which is what it should be
the state where I live in Montana, and in Montana,
kid has to be ten to do, you know, to
legally hunt, right. But I also take my kids to
my buddy's place to hunt turkeys in the spring in Wisconsin,
(16:31):
and there it's up to the parent, but they have
to be mentored, so they have to be with a
license hunter of a certain age right who's within arm's
reach of them, which and then they can start on
their own a little bit earlier. So it's a really
nice thing that's happened over the years. Like you tend
to think of everything getting more restrictive and you know,
(16:54):
less freedoms. But in this case, the states, most states
have really done a good job of allowing kids earlier
entry into the sport as long as they're being mentored,
which I think is great. Like you can hunt two
years of Montana with a mentor before you have to
take hunter safety. So it really helps you get your
kids out early. I get my kids hunting early. Man,
(17:17):
I don't want it. It'll never be like surprising to them.
You know, they just grew up around it, right, That's
how I like to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Steven, Yeah, you bring up a good point about the
kids kind of like going out early. What I experienced
with my kids was, you know, them seeing an animal
die for the first time, and how they receive that,
you know, very differently. Some kids are like, wow, okay, cool,
we got we got a bird. Some are like that
bird just died. How do you do that with Okay,
(17:44):
how did that happen with your kids?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
We again saying I had to say I did with
them what happened with me, which is I just took
them out early. They've always been around it. You know.
I'll tell people like I could I could take something
anything I take. If I take something in my hands.
If we're out in the woods and I take something
in my hands and I tell my kid, I said, hey,
(18:07):
check this out, hold your hand out. They're gonna like
put their hand out and take what I hand them. Like,
you can't startle them. You know they're not You can't
startle them because I've always exposed them to stuff. They're
very comfortable in the outdoors, and they have a lot
of trust in me. And if I tell them something's cool,
(18:28):
they know it's cool. If I say, we ought to
be nervous right now, you know about grizzlies or whatever,
they know we ought to be nervous right now. If
I'd say that there's nothing to worry about, they trust
me that there's nothing to worry about. And that comes
from having them out at a young age and showing
demonstrating to them like a level of competency in the outdoors.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So I don't mean to, like I don't want to.
I usually find that the people that are most critical
about their kids have the best kids. Like the people
that complain the most about their kids have the best kids.
And I could about my kids all day long, and
if you want me to, I'll do that for an hour.
But there's certain things that are cool about them. And
one of the things is that they're really comfortable around hunting.
(19:10):
They're very comfortable around life and death. As my buddy says,
life and death on the farm, you know, and they
know that they know about life and they know about death.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
You bring up a grizzly as an example, but one
charge to you right in Alaska? Can you and I've
heard the story, but can you tell the listeners that
are listening now a bit of that story.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Yeah, I've had a couple. I've had a couple of
grizzly charges. I've never been maybe I got touched by one,
but I don't really know. And I think the one
you're talking about is I was hunting on a fog
Nac island. And I'm sure a lot of your listeners
have heard of Kodiak Island. There's just in Alaska, there's
a very narrow strait that separates Kodiak and a fog
Ac and we're hunting on a Fognac island and I
(19:53):
had gotten an elk a couple of days earlier, and
we hung half the elk up in a big spruce tree,
and we went back to fetch it, just kind of stupidly.
I don't really know why. I felt that nothing had
found the elk yet, and so we sat to eat
lunch under the tree, me and my buddies that I
(20:14):
was with, And while we were there, a bear came
in and came in hard my one body. He had
his pistol and a pepper spray sitting on each side
of him. But when that bear came in, it happened
so fast. He smoked it across the face with a
pair of trekking poles. I twisted my ankle up bad.
(20:37):
I don't know. I feel like his foot landed on
my ankle, but I'm not totally positive. But it's crazy.
Is my buddy Dirt got knocked over by the bear.
And I'm not kidding you, man. Dirt rode the bear
straight downhill for about fifteen yards. I mean he rode,
He rode on the bear. I thought the bear had him,
I thought it was holding him. So we all ran
(20:59):
down the hill, but Dirk came squirting back up out
of the alders, running back the other way, and dude,
it was. It kind of messed with me a little
bit psychologically for a while, to be honest with you.
It was so close. It was so close.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I had a show on nat Geo for a while
and we went up. We fell into Bozemu and then
we drove into the park and probably two or three
hours out of Bozeman, and we were traveling around with
sheep herders because the predators come in at night and
try to eat the sheep, and so we were so
that's what we were doing.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
We were with them.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I was kind of learning about what their job was
and how they'd be out for months at a time.
But you know, they had equipped me with things in case,
and we did end up seeing a bear.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
It was far.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was with the night vision, so we knew where
not to go. But they equiped me. They gave me
bear spray, and we didn't have grizzlies in Arkansas. We
had black bears and we'd have grizzlies. So they said, Okay,
if a bear attacks you, here's the bear spray. Shoot
it at the ground and then the bear will come
through the ground and stop. It felt to me like
when I was eleven, and they said, spray cologne in
the air and walk through it. I felt like there
(22:05):
was no way that this bear spray shooting into the
ground was going to stop a bear. So if you
were me and a bear was attacking, would you have
sprayed the spray at all?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Or would you just go full gun?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
What do you know about bear spray?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
What I think they're what they're meaning? Well, what I
know about bear sprays. I've been in two instances where
people have gotten hosed by spray, me and another person,
but I haven't been I haven't hosed a bear that yet.
I've shot in front of bears, you know, shot in
front of him to try to spook them. But what
(22:40):
I think what they're getting at is aim low with spray.
You know, you want to get so that bears like
twenty yards. If he's coming, and he's coming and he
gets to twenty yards, what they're saying is hose down
in front of him so that you're not blowing it
back over the top of them, but you're owing it.
(23:01):
I would think you're aiming. If he's coming, you're aiming
down at his feet, you know, if.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
He's coming up running and peeing everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yeah, because you're putting out a cloud of that stuff, right,
and man, I know. So I interviewed a girl one
time that was getting mauled by a grizzly and she
had her spray on her chest. She was a grizzly
bear researcher. She had her spray on her chest and
the bear got her down and it actually got one
of its one of its canines, and through pop through
(23:33):
her skull. But she had her spray on her chest
and without even being able to see the bear was
able to take that spray in her chest and shoot
it like over her own shoulder and got it in
the face and it dropped her. I interviewed another dude
that last year he got malled. All he managed to
(23:54):
do is get his spray out before the bear hit him,
and the bear was mauling him and he was trying
to so he had his spray. There's like a ring
on your spray. It looks like like a trigger guard.
It's like a little handle, and he had his spray
like hanging from that ring. Like here's a people that
are watching, like I'm holding a suppressor, but picture that
I had a ring on it. So he's holding the
(24:15):
canister like this, and he goes to protect They always
tell you to protect the back of your neck with
your hands if you're getting muled. And he goes to
protect the back of his neck, but he's got that
spray on there like a ring. And that bear bit
through the spray and hosed itself by biting the spray
and got a mouthful of that and dropped him and
(24:37):
ran off. And what's hilarious, dude, is my kids lost
one of my sprays last summer, and later me and
my wife find the spray laying all that this place
where we can't we final where they drop the spray,
and the spray is erupted, and it's got four big
bite marks in it, like a bear found that and
bit because there's something about there's something about the smell
(25:02):
of it that, in small doses is attractive to him.
I'll never get it, man, but it bit that sucker,
so he must have got a faceful. He must have
got a faceful of that junk.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
My fear was because I'll be in like action movies
where they have like the rocket launcher and the person
that doesn't know how to use it holds it up
and they end up shooting backward. That happens, and my
fear was if a bear's coming at me, okay, and
I end up spraying myself because they can. Luckily never
had to use it. But they also said, like, don't
shoot a bear because you will get in trouble if
you shoot a bear unless you can actually prove you're
(25:35):
being attacked or threatened. And I thought, if there's anywhere
near me like something's getting shot me or it like
something's getting shot. But that was their big lesson was
the reason we say this is because we can't have
people shooting bears.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Well, they do investigate it, but I mean every year,
you know, like in the state I live in, you know,
we got a thousand grizzly bears right in this area,
you know. I mean, we could argue all day about
the exact numbers, but we got grizzy bears. We have
ten times as many black bears, which never kill anybody
in Montana. But every year grizzlies dust off one or
(26:11):
two people in Montana. And every year people dust off
a handful of grizzlies and they get killed by a
lot of times, you get killed by bow hunters who
are hunt elk and they'll investigate it. But oftentimes it's
totally legitimate. Man. It's like you know, you're you get
(26:35):
hit or you got one coming at you. But yeah,
they'll come out the US Fish and Wildlife Service, they'll
investigate the incidents. They'll find out if you were jumpy,
you know, if it was going away at forty yards
and it was walking away and you shoot it, yeah,
you're gonna be in trouble because you just got too jumpy. Yeah,
if that thing's coming at you and it's five yards
away and no one's gonna they're not gonna blame you.
(26:56):
But people gotta be cool headed. That's the thing about spray,
Like it's people argue this in my world, Like people
argue this all day long, dude, people like this ruins friendships,
this argument of pistols versus bear spray. But like it
does seem there's a very compelling case to be made
that spray is better, especially if you're not like a
(27:18):
super experienced marksman with a pistol, because with spray, you
don't need to be accurate. You just need to be
in the right in the right direction, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
With your show hunting, Well, yeah, it also feels to
me like you know, bird shot, a buckshot versus a
slug or a rifle, right like you if you got
one shot for me, I'm not going to be as
good of a shot as some of my friends. So
I want that spread to be as wide as possible.
And that's basically what the bear spray is versus a
pistol or rifle.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, everybody likes to think there's some commando with their pistol,
you know, dude.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, hunting history, what's interesting to me is how people
hunted before we existed.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
I grew up in Arkansas where there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Of Native America and their arrowheads just randomly in places,
and to me it was wild and how they would
create arrows. Like to you, because you've spent so much
time studying this, documenting that you've made this into a show,
like what is the technology that now we look at
to go, how in the heck do they do that?
But they were able to be effective hunting.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
You know. I was having this discussion in the r
day with a historian who spends a lot of time
working on questions around what would it have been like
for the first humans to come into the New World?
Like what would have been like the first people to
touch the ground and what is now the United States.
And there's this idea that these hunters, these ice age
(28:47):
hunters we call them clob as hunters now or other names,
that these ice age hunters were able to wipe out
mammoths using spheares. And you'd say, well, how in the
world is that possible. But picture it like this, that
like the mammas had never seen anybody before, you know,
(29:08):
so we get accustom now to wildlife that has a
pretty good familiarity with humans.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
You'll see that. You'll see with all these different species
that they have a pretty good sense of what is
a safe distance from people. Compare that to accounts that
you read of like whalers being the first people to
ever step foot on some island, like even in the
early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, like whalers will be
the first people to arrive at an island. And look
(29:38):
what they describe. They describe you walk up and literally
pick up wildlife, birds land on you. Things exhibit zero
fear of people. I'm not detracting from the skill sets
of these ancient hunters, but they were in a different
set of circumstances dealing with wildf They had a different
(30:01):
sense of what the threat that humans presented. You know.
So now if you're bow hunting elk, it might be
really challenging to get forty yards from an elk that's
had some hunting pressure put on it, right, But maybe
a few hundred years ago it was pretty easy to
(30:21):
get Maybe it was challenging to get four or five
yards away from an elk, right. So the technologies have changed,
but so is the response, the human response to animals.
It's a real rich field of inquiry, man, And that's
just like one element. The other element of it is
is that if you live in a lot of states
(30:41):
now and you're like a big deer hunter, you might
only have a ten day deer season. So you could
identify as a deer hunter, and you might read about
deer hunting and dream about deer hunting, but when it
comes down to it, you deer hunt ten days, you know,
for some people. Now imagine that. Imagine that you deer
(31:02):
hunted two hundred days a year in the same areas
that your father hunted two hundred days a year for
forty years, in the same area that your grandfather hunted
two days a year or two hundred days a year
for forty years. Imagine the body of knowledge that you
would have accumulated. So like, our ideas about hunting and
(31:26):
tactical understandings of it are probably just like nothing compared
to people that lived a hunter gather lifestyle. And I've
been fortunate to travel in South America with in you know,
indigenous hunter gathers, and I'm telling you can't keep up
with them. Mentally, you can't keep up with them.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I was going through and I don't I definite don't
want to spoil anything in the work that you've done.
But I've been fascinated with Dbe Cooper. I can envision
the drawing that has existed in mind. I can just
see it, the drawing of him and what they think
he looked like, and how he did and how he
jumped out of the plane. Do you think he survived?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
You know what I went in. We did a Yeah,
we did a hunting history episode on dB. Cooper. We
just focused on that question because a lot of it,
like like our focus is always on these areas of
mysteries that have a wilderness component to have like a
survival component or a hunter gatherer component, And with dB
Cooper we got into that that this jump the jump zone,
(32:22):
so just for people to for quick recap. In the
nineteen seventies, there was this there was this like epidemic
of skyjackings. D B. Cooper is the only unsolved skyjacking
in US history where a guy gets on a plane,
takes hostages, demands money, gets the money, jumps out of
a plane never to be seen again, jumps out in Washington.
The FBI identified a drop zone based on all these
(32:43):
different inputs, and it was like rugged, mountainous terrain, heavily forested.
I always, just as a passive, like you know, dB Cooper,
observer reader, I always saw there's no way the guy lived.
You know, he jumped out at night, he didn't pack
his own shoot I just thought the reason they never
(33:04):
found him is he was burrowed into the mucking moss
somewhere and that was it. Right. But man, after working
on that episode and hanging around with you know, Paara,
shooters that have done like twelve thousand jumps, military paratroopers, dude,
these people that really know that world, They're like, no,
(33:24):
there's no reason to think he wasn't fine. They're just like,
why no, land in the tree don't matter? Land Like
They're like, he definitely is fine. It really changed my idea.
So then it brings up the next question is what
happened to him when he hit the ground and what
did he do?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
They found money too, like like parts of dollar bills
in the area, but they did well.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah they did.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
What do you not say?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
What do you what are you trying to not say
right now?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
What do you what do you think? No?
Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, no, they did. It was the money way away
from there in the clumb or way away from the
FBI's drops. A kid was clearing out a place to
make a fire on the beach on the Columbia River
on a mud bar. He's cleared out a little place
to make a fire and finds a stack of rotten
twenty dollars bills. And this is in the eighties. If
(34:16):
you look at the FBI's drop zone, Okay, what the
FBI determined to be the drop zone. If dB cooper
it dropped that money either in the air, threw it
out of the plane whatever, like, landed, lost it, whatever,
and you put it into a creek and there's a
lot of rivers and creeks there, and you put it
(34:36):
in a creek, it would not have washed to the
place where it was deposited in a gravel bar. So
either the drop zone is all the way way off,
either it's way off and he dropped it, or whatever
(34:58):
the hell happened, or some one after the fact, someone
later after the fact went and buried that stuff. There
a guy I interview and hang out with in there
who is a real he's like a citizen sleuth type
that has really dedicated himself to the DV Cooper mystery.
He thinks that the FBI's drop zone was off and
(35:20):
they were way off, and that dB Cooper buried that
stuff in the gravel bar. What's funny, now, when I
went to the spot, when you go to the spot,
you're sitting nine feet below where they found the money.
So if you said it, where'd you find the money,
it was nine feet over your head because that gravel
bar is gone now the Columbia River ate it. So, dude,
(35:43):
it's like it is such a rabbit hole, man, you
can't It'll like, dude, if you get into the whole
DV Cooper thing and you start unraveling all the things
that it'll kill you. I mean it'll kill you because
it's too much, too much. It's such a perfect it's
like the perfect mystery. It's the gift that keeps giving.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
The show Hunting History with Steven Roanella. It's eight episodes.
He's teaming up with the historians, an archaeologist, and a
really cool cast of outdoor professionals. And it's very much storytelling.
And I think that's what you know, having consumed your
content in different ways. I think that's what's a bit
different about this is it feels to me like this
is a new element because there is so much storytelling involved.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, it is. Man, when we were looking at all
these stories, like we did a great one on the
Donner Party too.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
That's crazy at all these stories the Donnor Party is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They will you just give a brief description of that
so people know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Oh yeah, I was telling this some I was telling
the story to my kids last night or dinner. So
in eighteen forty six, people are through at the Oregon Trail.
Right well, in eighteen forty six, this big group of
families they all leave Missouri and they're traveling together or
over the Oregon Trail, and this group of them, these
are kind of loose groupings of families, but this group
(36:55):
of them, under this under the leadership, with this patriot,
this Donner fellow, they decide to take a thing called
the Hastings cut Off, which is supposed to be a
short cut to California. In fact, it's like a long cut.
It's worse conditions. And now we understand with you know
now that you can look at a map, it's actually longer.
(37:16):
So it's like a longer, worse route billed as a
short cut. So that when they get to the they
have to cross the Sierra Nevada. The picture of this
is the mountain range. It separates like Nevada from California. Great,
you know, great skiing destination. Now they have to cross
the Sierra Vana. There's a early blizzard, there's early snowstorm,
and it catches them way up in the mountains. It's
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early enough in the year they think that maybe it'll
melt off and they'll be able to continue on their way,
but it just gets worse and worse, to the point
where eventually they can't even backtrack. They can't go back
the way they came and they get stuck there. What
they're really famous for is they're famous for cannibalism. So
if you make a joke about the Donner Party today,
like Donner Family Dinner right, winds up being as a
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cannibalism joke. And they did resort to cannibalism. However, there's
like this thing and I knew all that outline, right,
but here here's here's what I did never, I never
thought about. And I have three kids. Over half of
the people in the Donner Party were little kids, were children,
and children wound up being of the survivors. Over half
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of the Donner Party survived, and children were far more
likely than the adults to survive the ordeal. So you
could look at the Donner Party as this American horror
story about these people committing this atrocity of cannibalism, or
you could look at it like this, which is the
conclusion I come away with. You could look at it
like this, It was people family doing everything possible, and
(38:51):
I mean everything possible to keep their children alive. Very
different like of looking at something. And when I got done,
I'm like, dude, I'm gonna stop making jokes about I'm
gonna stop making Donner Party cannibalism jokes.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
It was a herrowing thing, and it's and it's and
they get kind of blamed for it, you know, but dude,
it was a freak blizzard and people had successfully crossed
the Sierra Nevada had successfully crossed later in the year
than they did. It was just they were just victims
of horrible luck and something really bad happened him. They
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weren't like, they weren't dumb, they weren't desperate. I mean,
they got desperate, but they were.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
It's it's like this heroic tale that has been just
kind of abused over the years.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I think I like to encourage everybody check it out
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on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
I really appreciate the half hour he spent with Stephen.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Great stories, big fan, and I again, who the heck
was dB Cooper? Even I think I've watched so many
many documentaries, documentaries, I've watched tiktoks on people's theories then
all of it.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I didn't know who you guys were talking about, but
I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Do you see the picture of them, though, does it
recognize it?
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I didn't even look at it. I'm all in the
when we're done with it, I'm all in.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Can I tell you one last funny thing?
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So after like while working on that DV Cooper deal. Later,
I get a message from a guy who sends me
some pictures of the FBI guy, the FBI agent who
was prepping the people to do the composite drawing. So
the picture you're talking about of what he supposed he
looks like it was so funny? Is the drawing looks
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astonishingly similar to the FBI agent, Like here was the
last guy they talked to, and it almost like they
described the last dude they spoke That is.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Weird, Steve. I appreciate you, man. I hope you have
a great day. Good luck with the series, and hopefully
I'll run it. See you somewhere, man.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
I'd like to meet you sometime. Man, but I'll let
you go now. I'll take care, all.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Right, buddy, see you later.
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Speaker 1 (42:36):
I saw where twenty four seven sports had the five
worst NFL teams to be a fan of, according to science.
So according to science, yeah, okay, So they use a
lot of different things, performance relative to expectations, draft decisions,
roster talent, fan morale. So before I read you this
and we can go any sport, this will be NFL. Okay,
(42:58):
and this will be in conclusion, what team does it
suck to be a fan of? And I will go first, Well,
I have to the Arkansas Razorbacks. Anytime we get a blip,
it goes away quick. And then I've been a Chicago
Cups fan my whole life. We had it in twenty sixteen.
That was great, but it's very difficult up until that point,
(43:18):
it's been difficult since that's a self I'm a selfish
I'm a loser in sports, from my sports SCEINMS, I'm
a loser. So I'll put them up on the list.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
The Razorbacks. Yeah, I didn't choose it.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
It shows you, It shows.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
Me and I.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
If anything, I am consistent and I start crying, you know,
I stay with my people. So I will never not
be a Cups fan. I will never not be an
Arkansas Razor Backe fan. But it's been tough, Eddie.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
Are you going with the Are you going with the Cowboys?
Speaker 8 (43:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (43:56):
No, I love being a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
But hard to be a fan is the question.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
It's very different to be a fan one because America
hates you, like people just hate this. People hate Cowboys fans.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Why do you think that is? Though? No, you don't
just exist. We do exist, but you don't just exist.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I was gonna ask, but you kind of answered the
question because that's not true. Why do you think people
hate Cowboys fans?
Speaker 4 (44:15):
I think the whole America's team. Uh, we're always you know,
and the media covers us all the time. That's part
of the Yes, even if we're bad, they cover how
bad we are. Like bad decisions, they cover the bad decisions.
I don't know, man, and we're always just there, like
primetime too, TV puts us at prime time. I think
(44:36):
that the whole media, sports talk all them want the
Cowboys as far as topics go. But fans they're just like,
shut up, our team's way better than the Cowboys, and
you never cover us.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I think Cowboys fans they have a sense of
importance when they really don't as far as how good
the team has been. But that team gets clicks and
use so they get shoved in everybody's face even when
they're bad.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
So then people resent them, Like I think my son
got mad the like in the season because we got
game of the week or something and it was like
us in the Giants, like how is this the game
of the week.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
But it's also people like you going, I don't get it.
I don't get we just exist. That's just not true.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
You exist.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
You're shoved down everybody's throats, and if you could just admit,
is that our fault? But if you could admit, I
know what's annoying? All everybody wants to talk about Cowboys
and we suck. It would be different, but Cowboys fans
have a sense of belonging when they don't really belong.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I guess it's kind of cool though that, like they
cover us any anyway, Like even if we're bad and
we're hurting or whatever, it's still kind of cool that
people still talk about the Cowboys because they get clicks. Yeah,
but that has nothing to do with us. We're just living.
That's not sure.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
You're not just living though you're America's team. You say it, Casey.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Well, I mean, I gotta go with the New York
freaking Jets. It's New York in the winter. The field sucks,
the owner sucks. He got an f in the grading thing.
Uh yeah, it's it's I feel like we're the number
one thing on this list.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
We're not number one money on that.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
No.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Oh, okay, Brown, number one.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
Brown, number one.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
NFL, let's go baseball then real quick. It sucks to
be a fan of I'm gonna go Kansas City. They
have a small market team, no love. Uh, they don't
spend money. Baseball does not have a salary cap, so
they'll have to pay extra taxes. But the Yankees can
spend all they want. The Dodgers can spend all they want,
and they do, and so luxury tax is different.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
Than a cap. And in the NBA they have different
like aprons. Right yeah, but baseball.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You just spend all you want, get all you want,
and then you'll pay a little luxury tax on it.
It's wild and that's why the teams like the Yankees
and the Dodgers. I say, Yankees, they don't want World
Series is, but they're always in the mix.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah. Yeah, about what about the A's, Like they still
share a field.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
The A's aren't even the A's are moving. I think, yeah,
that's how much that's tough.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's got to be hard, like if you're
a lifelong A's fan.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
So the A's exist, but not in Oakland anymore. It's
gonna be the Las Vegas I guess.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Yeah, all their teams are gone now right because the
Raiders and uh the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
I mean real though it's Oakland like, but what were
they doing with the team anyway? Like San Francisco. I
understand you're a big market Oakland.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
Don't be a hater.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Dade don't a city on a city, So I go Royals,
you know, the Indians can be tough. All They've had
some good teams, but that can be tough if they
don't spend money. The small market teams in baseball, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
The good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Basketball, harlet, Oh, Charlotte terrible. I'd hate to be a
Charlotte fan. I'd hate to be a Pelicans fan.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
And the Pelicans, it's not their fault. They missed on
Zion because they didn't miss they had to drive Zion.
They got lucky enough to get the number one overall
pick and that set them back. Yeah, so it would
suck to be a Pelicans fan.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Have the Hawks done anything?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I mean, Trey Young keeps them in that mediocre play
where he goes and scores forty but they don't win.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Like he's like every once in a while to go
to New York and you know, beat the Knicks and
choke himself. Yeah. Yeah, let's bike Lee here. Atlanta will
be a tough, tough basketball team. Be a fan of it,
because they really they don't suck. They're the Steelers of
the NBA where they don't suck enough. They finally did
get a top pick this last year and it was
the worst draft ever.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, and they have stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And they have you know, as of right now, one
of the top three picks for nexture, but the Spurs
own their pick. So yeah, be tough to being a
Hawks fan.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Trailblazers too.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
I feel like it's been pretty rough.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
And you're so disconnected up there, which is why players
really don't want to go up there.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Yeah, that would be tough. And then football, all these
are football ready.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Number five the Tennessee Titans, we know this, but we
don't expect anything at this point.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Who who's their best player? Like right now, right now,
I've thought about that. I'm like, man, I can't name.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
Super Yeah the cornerback that came from Kansas City.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Yeah sneat, Yeah, Steed's good.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Oh yeah, okay, But again, football has so many freaking
positions that unless you're more than a casual, you're not
even gonna know that. Their colors look slow.
Speaker 6 (49:11):
Everything's about the how's the kicker for the Titans.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
I don't even know the kicker I'm going to tell
you now.
Speaker 7 (49:17):
With the whole science factor, though, it's like.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So performance versus expectations. The Titans have had fluctuating success,
with recent seasons not meeting heightened expectations set by previous
year's playoff appearances, so anytime they play well, they tend
to not play as well the next year draft decision.
Some first round picks have not delivered the anticipated impact,
affecting the team's competitiveness. I would look back when they
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traded AJ Brown and they ended up drafting Treylon Burks
from Arkansas, and he's been hurt the whole time. Yeah,
like they lost a guy. I mean, they got a
pick and they use that to draft somebody.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
In an AJ Brown clone workout roster talent.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
They've had players like Derrick Henry, but other areas like
offensive line have kept Henry from flourishing. And now he
doesn't play with them, and he goes to the freaking
Ravens and crushes great looks like he's twenty five years
old and fan morale. The Nashville fan base is dedicated,
but his face disappointment due to unmet expectations and playoff shortcomings.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
I bought tickets for five bucks. Man, Oh that's a pop.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
That's bad.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
And sometimes there will be games I drive by the
stadium here game during game day. Hey yeah, and it's cold.
I'm like, who would ever go sit in that terrible team.
Speaker 6 (50:26):
I thought. Once I got on.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
The NFL Network show and a good Morning Football, Good
Morning Football. Yes, I was thinking, money want a quarterback,
Good Morning Football, and I was talking about the Titans
and how bad they were, and I was just going on.
I was just doing a bit, and I don't know
if it ever got back to them, but if it did,
we ain't gonna be welcoming over there anymore, because yeah,
I was just riffing. Yeah. Do you see Zach Mettenberger,
(50:55):
the old quarterback for the Titans, is now coaching. I
believe Father Ryan high.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
School one school, but he's so in.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
This picture where they announce him, and you may look
at this up, Mike, it's one of those Christian private schools.
He's covered in tattoos on his arms and everybody's just
going to talent.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
I'm like, this is not Christian. This is not Christian's
got tattooed.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
If it's Father Ryan, it's a Catholic school.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
I think unbelievable that people were looking at his tattoos
and going that does not represent what year are we in?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I know it's Father Ryan high School. Crazy.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
I felt bad for him.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
You got it, NFL quarterback coming to coach, and you've
got these parents going, he can't coach our Christian school.
Speaker 6 (51:28):
Look at his tattoos.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
Is this nineteen twenty two? Is this sailor on leave
getting tattoos out the port?
Speaker 7 (51:34):
It sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Crazy now number four of the commanders, but they are
on the way up. The team has experienced limited postseason
success in recent decades, but generally underperforming.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
And they should be happy from last year.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Dan Snyder sucked as an owner. That's what this is.
That's just Dan Snyder sucking. They have anue owner now,
so that's why you're actually seeing the team play well.
Speaker 6 (51:57):
New leadership. Next up the Jet to three.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
All right, Casey, it's all right. I had a feeling a.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Lot of draft inconsistency and struggles with early round picks.
Speaker 7 (52:12):
Yeah, we have drafted a lot of the defensive players
that have not panned out. I remember d Milliner, the
cornerback from Alabama, was supposed to be a stud. He
was didn't turn out to be much. Yeah, Jamal Adams.
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Are crying out too. Yeah, it's Casey and I just
crying in his whole segment.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
You know, my kids asked me about Mark Sanchez, like franchise. Yeah, yeah,
that's what we believed. They're like, what kind of quarterback
was he? And I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
I don't really remember ended the ball.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
A lot, but I would say he's one of the
quarterbacks that probably never had the ability to show how
good of a quarterback he was because the people around
him weren't good. Yeah, if you get drafted into a
you know, a bad organization, it almost doesn't matter because
you see that with guys like you know, Bryce Young,
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, where they go in and they
(53:01):
suck and you're like, well they're losers. But then they
go somewhere else, not Bryce Young, yet new coach came in,
but they go somewhere else and they play pretty good
to really good, and you're going, man, it's all about
where you land. Like you have to have the skills,
but it's all about where you land. And Sanchez took
them to the AFC two years.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
In a row.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Yeah, yeah, in the in the beginning of his career.
But then when we had to actually rely on him
to do something, you couldn't do it, And then we
had t Bow. I don't know if you guys remember
we had like the t Bow Sanchez dual connection.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
Thing they played at the same time.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
Yeah, Rex Ryan picked up t Bow after Denver. I
can't recall a year, but yeah, we've we've done a
lot of experiments blocking that out failures.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
I can't recall blocked the trauma trauma, and.
Speaker 6 (53:40):
Cleveland's at one. Who thinks of two? What's the one
football team I left out that? Do you think.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Jacksonville?
Speaker 6 (53:46):
Jacksonville's got to be tough, not top five, probably not
been around long enough overall, Like you don't have a
lot of grandparents that were Jaguar fans that have passed
it down because they didn't exist.
Speaker 7 (53:56):
Yeah, yeah, true, Okay.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Chargers mm hmmm. A lot of disappointment, but no, the
team's good now.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Detroit Yeah, oh yeah, we forget how terrible they have
been for decades because of what Dan Campbell's been able
to do. But the Lions have a history of unmet expectations.
They went oh sixteen in two thousand and eight. They've
had high draft picks. Man, they drafted wide receivers like
every year for a while. Yeah, it was just one
after the other Calvin Johnson was awesome, Matthew Stafford was good,
(54:24):
but they'd never had real success decades without a Super
Bowl appearance. And shout out line fans for remaining a
Lion fan because that had been tough.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
Oh and sixteen, that's brutal man. Yeah, I remember that season.
Speaker 7 (54:39):
Orlowski he didn't he get the safety going in the end,
going backwards.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, and it's like didn't even though he ran out,
like ran all the way back and they came back in.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Did you see her Lobsky at the Super Bowl walking
around Radio Road. He's he's really tall, like really tall.
You could see him towering over people. I'm like, wow,
I had no idea is that tall.
Speaker 6 (54:58):
Orlovski he was with the Colts when he did that,
right he was.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
I think it was the Lions.
Speaker 6 (55:01):
I think that maybe you're maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
All that bad yeah, all that bad play all blends together.
I did not see Orlowski. But those guys are big.
It's like even Matt Castle, he's like six four. I know,
you don't even think of a guy being that big
because he just looks average on screen, and they're they're giants. Okay,
anybody raid any teams that are terrible that you feel
bad for their fans.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Hm.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
I just feel like I would hate to live in Wisconsin.
So now we're going at the whole state. Yeah, we're
just no reason, no reason.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
What's like pretty good?
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Why would you hate Wisconsin? To be honest, I can't
say that. I've never even been there, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I just imagine it's super flat, a lot of corn cold.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
It's not flat, really, it's a little hilly, especially when
you get out in that milk country.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, have no response. I don't remember being flat or hilly.
I know the people are super nice. There's a lot
of cheese, and it's way cold, so anywhere cold. Not
a fan of as far as like living there. But
I feel like that was not very kind of you
to pick on Wisconsin for no reason.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
It just that's what came to I picked on Oakland,
so I apologize too. That's my bat.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
You've been to Oakland, haven't you?
Speaker 4 (56:03):
No? I never been.
Speaker 6 (56:05):
No, I've been Oakland.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Been in San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (56:06):
Hey, I've been Oakland.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
What's the lot over there?
Speaker 6 (56:08):
You know I'm a favorite, I'll be honest with you,
not a favorite at all. Good luck everybody, we'll be
back before the game start. But good luck everybody.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
I guess if you're betting all on the playing games,
good luck, then don't. Don't put all your money in
the playing games, you know the first four? Yeah, all right,
thank you guys, Eddie bulderwhistle.
Speaker 6 (56:27):
We're out here.
Speaker 4 (56:28):
Here we go, it's coming.
Speaker 6 (56:31):
Thank you guys. See later on.
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