March 20, 2025 • 49 mins
NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal and Daniel Jeremiah deliver another heated episode of 40s and Free Agents. This time, DJ takes center stage following the release of his 2025 Mock Draft 3.0, where Jeremiah explains why he flipped the top two picks in the draft from his previous version. He also offers a rationale as to why Colorado WR/CB Travis Hunter fits with the New England Patriots. Later, Gregg and DJ debate the new additions to the Mock Draft, as well as analyze the most noteworthy omissions.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to forties and free Agents. You're limited series show
going all the way to the Draft. We're going to
talk about Daniel Jeremiah's mock Draft three point zero. But
this show has been such a hit early, we've already
graduated to the media beef portion of our of our growth.
Let's listen to the insiders from our own network who
(00:28):
didn't like that DJ was the one breaking some news
last week.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Anyway, DJ, You're welcome to scoop tam or sometimes you're
in the back of an uber the night before the draft,
the DJ's debating between CJ Starter, Will Anderson going to
the Texans, and I yell out, how about give him
bold and then you take credit for it. You take
a little victory lot. I'm just saying, there's a little
bit that was meeting.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
That was more.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
DJ is the best. Greg is also a person we
work with.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wow. That's uh, That's that's tough one there, Greg. I
will say, I'm here in Frisco at the home of
the Dallas Cowboys, a home of an organization said they're
going to be selectively aggressive. I feel like Pella Sero's
selective memory there with with how that went down on
the Houston Texans. But I honestly don't feel that bad
the way I came out and that Greg, I thought
(01:18):
maybe more of a shot at you there at the
end someone we worked with that one. That's a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, No, I would like to actually thank the insiders,
the only three men in the industry that could make
me look likable in comparison. So we have a big
show this week. We're going to go through your mock draft.
We're going to talk about picks we like, picks we didn't.
But let's just take a look at the top five
to start out the show and how it's changed since
your last one. So this time around, we got cam
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Ward number one. That's a flip flop. Abdull Carter is
there now at number two going to the Browns. Sedar
Sanders is up to number three with the Giants. That's Spiceye,
Travis Hunter to the Patriots at four, and Jalen Walker
from of the linebacker going to the Jaguars at five.
Let's just kind of go through some of these changes.
I'll give you an easy question for as well, why
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flip the top two picks?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, I think some of it's what you alluded to
one of our previous episodes about the fact that Tennessee
really hasn't done anything at the quarterback position, and it's
hard to imagine they're just going to run it back
with Will Levice. I thought it was a salient point
that you made, Greg. I like to point those out.
They can be a little few and far between.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
But I also think that if it's not Tennessee, that
it's somebody else coming up to take cam Warden. It
just feels like, if you're Tennessee, you're going to take
cam Ward, or you're going to trade the pick for
somebody else to come take cam Ward. You're going to
get some assets. You know. It doesn't It wouldn't make
as much sense for them to take another player at
one when they might be able to get that same
player by trading down to two or three for two
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teams behind you that could be in the quarterback market.
So that's why I've slotted cam Ward in at the
number one spot.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
That all makes sense, But all I could really hear
there was you pumping me up. I like that the
insiders coming after us is bringing forties and free agents together.
Like point out that you're the only person other than
Aaron Rodgers, who who still plugs in you know, his
ear pods.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
There, you know, true story. We got time. I mean,
what do we got to do. I just did three
hours of live coverage at the Big twelve Pro today,
So let's let's let's go ahead and let this breathe
a little bit. This is an Instagram thing. I saw
this on social media. Basically told me I'm gonna I'm
gonna keel over and die because I have been using
wireless headphones all these years and so I don't know
(03:30):
if there's any truth to that. Science scared me enough
to the point that I'm plugging these uncomfortable things. And
I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That, Yeah, that's where we are in twenty twenty five.
You want to get all your news from Instagram? Warning
about brain waves accurate. Miles Garrett was with our friend
Andrew Ceciliano this week on his podcast for the Cleveland Browns,
and he said he had an idea what the Browns
are doing at quarterback and it made him feel better
about signing there. I'm just curious, do you think he
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has any idea? What would that idea? Because to me,
the most logical idea there would be would he be
excited about them trading up for cam Wards unless kirk
Cousins gets some going in your mock, you have Abdul
Carter going number two and pairing with Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, I think that there's an interesting choice there, and
I've touched on this before with Cleveland, but I tried
to flesh it out a little bit more. First of all,
you do hear kirk Cousins name mentioned, you know, as
someone who you know. I do believe he is going
to get traded eventually, So maybe that's they're selling him
on a veteran who can come in here and kind
of just get the offense functional, and then they could
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use that first pick as I had him here, taking
Abdull Carter to give him a big time rusher on
the opposite side, where you know, with Jim Schwartz's defense,
they're going to line those guys up wide and they're
going to let them hunt, and that would be a
great fit there on the opposite side of Miles Garrett
with Abdull Carter. Now, I do believe wholeheartedly Greg, they're
going to take a quarterback with one of their first
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two picks. So the question is do you want to
take Abdull Carter if he's there, who's the best my opinion,
the best player in the draft for sure, the best
defensive lineman in the draft, and then pair him up
with a quarterback that second tier, whether that's someone like
a Jackson Dart, whether that's a Tyler Shuck, whoever your
quarterback is. You know, Tyler Shuck is a big, strong
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arm guy, kind of fits that division and that that
that climate a little bit. So I thought that would
be a pairing versus you take shud or standers, you
come back to edge rusher you get in the second
round is going to look nothing like Abdul Carter. So
that's kind of the logic behind the way that I went.
And I don't know if that's what they explained to
Miles Garrett or not, but you know, we'll see. I
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do think they're going to take a quarterback one of
their first two picks.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, they famously passed on a quarterback to take Miles Garrett.
It was Carson Wentz, and for a couple of years,
Brown's fans were tortured thinking they missed out on their guy.
And now there's some buzz actually Carson Wentz might be
the backup veteran option there. So maybe they want to
go back to history, and that would say, yeah, take
Abdul Carter, go back, Go back.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Greg, go back, Greg. And look at the twenty one
draft where we spent and trust me, I was part
of it. We spent all that time talking about those
five quarterbacks. They all ended up going right. You had
Trevor Lawrence Goh, that was Trey Lance, that was justin Fields,
that was Mac Jones, that was Wilson with the Jets.
All these guys we talked about him, the who run
up to the draft and go look at I think
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seven of the top thirteen picks have got extensions. Now
we've seen j C. Horn, We've seen with Jamar Chase Waddle,
all those guys, Davante Smith, they've all got extended. The
missus ended up being the vast majority of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Right, And the only one without an extension out of
that whole top ten or top twelve is Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Maybe the best player among them. You got to yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Then right behind him as Rashaan Slater, who's waiting on
his extension. Who's gonna get one, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So when these mocks come out, and look, I'm glad
that you're your debuting this here digitally with forties and
free agents, Daniel, But I've already seen it, Like there's
all sorts of shows and websites that are basing content
off of your mock draft. If if you Google, it's
like hard to actually find your mock drafts because so
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many people are writing about your mock draft. And one
of the things you're doing that most mock drafters aren't.
And when you do mock drafts, it's actual news is
you are moving should Sanders up at a time when
some people are moving him down. We're at a point
where we hear from Tom Pelasero. I will give him
credit for being first on this one that Aaron Rodgers
and the Vikings is not a marriage that's going to happen,
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at least not anytime soon. If you wanted to wait
it out till the middle of the summer, who knows.
But you have the giants taking Shadar Sanders at a
point where Aaron Rodgers is on the table for them.
Is this a case of just they needed to save
their jobs and honestly, the only way they could possibly
do that is draft a good rookie quarterback and make
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him look good.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, they need they need to find their quarterback of
the future. We start there, and this is this is
a question. I'm glad you kind of brought this up
because a common question that comes up when you do
what I did in this mock draft is why is
Shoodoor Sanders good enough for the Giants at three but
yet not good enough for the Browns at two? Like
that's a that's a common question, and I can explain
it this way. You know, with Abdul Carter being there,
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I think you know it's a at premium player premium position.
That's a tougher decision when you're choosing between those two options.
Obviously he's off the table here for the Giants. No
Abdul Carter. The other thing is sometimes you get these
little pieces of information, some of it's yet to be verified.
And this is one hundred percent in that camp, Greg.
But I was told by someone outside the Giants organization,
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but someone inside the league that said the Giants had
a presence at every single Colorado game this year. They
were following Shudhar Standers around the entire season. So that
seemed to me, Oh, it's kind of interesting. Now. I
haven't talked to Joe Shane or talked to anybody with
the Giants to verify that. I'm sure reporters can take
the baton from here and see what they can figure out.
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But I was like, man, they've done a lot of
work and in a lot of homework on Shoodoor Sanders,
and at that point in time, with the options there,
I just thought, man, it's they would have a tougher
sell in terms of passing on a quarterback. I think
then even Cleveland, would you know, because Cleveland comes away
with the prize possession in the edge rusher there to
pair up with Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, and I know jobs are on the line in
Cleveland and New York. But the more I thought about
and was looking at your pick here, I just think
forget Aaron Rodgers because to me, it doesn't make sense
to bringing Aaron Rodgers Answerder Sanders. But that would be
a possible option for the Giants if Rogers chooses to
do that. If they choose to do that, it doesn't
sound like a decision for Rodgers coming anytime soon anyways.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, though, hold on hold on. Great.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers and I've got one or two
years left and he has a couple of suitors. By
all accounts, it sounds like the Steelers and the Giants.
Wouldn't you want confirmation from the Giants? Wouldn't you tell
them like, hey, guys, I'll come, but I want to
try and win right now? So are you going to
guarantee me? Like you know though you know if you'll
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get this answer.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Not.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, you might as well. I'd say,
guarantee me that you're getting somebody to help me, not
to sit on the bench with the third overall pick.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's fair, And it just seems like a bad idea
if you're the New York Giants, and they've made a
lot of bad ideas over the last few years, and
I think drafting Shouldar Sanders is a better idea because
the only path and I don't think it's going for
Aaron Rodgers and trying to win now with him. If
you look at his tape, he's not holding onto the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He's not close to the same athlete that he used
to be.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The only way to save your job is you have
a really good head coach with quarterbacks, and you could
go win six or seven games if should have Sanders
looks like the future at quarterback. You can extend out
your time in New York and Joe Shane in that
twenty twenty four class, which was very good, has a
chance to get even better. And everyone keeps their jobs
and that's a big part of how you make these decisions.
Now we're going to do a segment coming up, DJ
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of the picks that you know, I actually think you
did a pretty good job. But I had to say
right now, looking at the top five, Travis Hunter to
the Patriots, I mean, I don't know if you're just
kissing up to me, because this is what I would
like of I think a lot of Patriots fans would
love this, and would this be a team that you
see him at receiver? I'm curious of the other teams
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in the top five, like which teams could potentially see
him at receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I'm just trying to do what everyone does to the
Boston teams, which is like you got the Yankees all
these injuries to the pitchers, and now everybody in Boston
thinks they're going to win the World Series this year
and now, I'm just put this hope out there that
Travis Hunter is going to be gift wrapped to him
and absolutely fall into their lap. So that's all I'm doing.
I'm trying to raise the expectations there for your hometown team.
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But you know, to me, the fascinating thing with Hunter
is if you went around a different teams, Greg, how
they would use him would be different. And I'll pose
this to you as the as the Patriot homer here,
how do you tell Drake May if you pick him,
that we're going to major him in defense and minor
him on offense when he's better than anybody he's throwing
the ball to. Like, you couldn't do that. He'd have
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to be a he'd be her full, full time receiver.
And if you want to sprinkle him in on some
third downs, you know, to get them on the defensive
side of the ball, you'd do it. But I think
their plan would be way different than a team that
might have a need a.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Corner I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I think he would have to be a receiver for
them and then maybe you sprinkle him in at cornerbacks.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
See how that works. I'm going to answer my own
question since you know you didn't really answer it. Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I think you could put them if they happen to
trade down Travis Hunter, you can put they need a cornerback,
they need a wide receiver. I don't really know what Cleveland.
To me, he'd make sense at wide receiver as well.
He'd immediately be the best wide receiver on that team,
wouldn't necessarily be the best cornerback.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Giants.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You tell me Jaguars, like, what do you think these
teams specifically, because I don't think he's getting out of
the top four or five. Where where those teams would
put him?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, Cleveland would be an interesting one. I think. I
think Cleveland might be the place where you'd have a
chance to do a little double duty. You know, he'd
have a chance to maybe even maximize himself a little
bit more New England just because of what they've done
with Carlton Davis and already having an elite corner in Gonzalez.
That was the easy one to one there. I will say,
if he got the five in Jacksonville, maybe that's another
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one where he can pull some some double duty there.
But man, can you imagine on offense, Trevor Lawrence, you
get out there and you look and you see BTJ
out on one side, and now I've got Travis Hunter
as a as a toy to play with and move
him around and try and get him the ball as well.
That's that would be fun. That'd be fun if you're
a Jacks fan, I would think that that would be
a fun watch.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I mean, he's getting double duty. At least eventually you
got to give it a shot at some point. This
is a guy who's done something we've never seen before.
It would be a crime against the football gods if
you didn't give him a shot at both sides of
the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
But I get that you start out on one side.
Focus scene. Let's go to the picks that I like
the most. DJ that that you made picks and you
know I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He It's funny because it doesn't say that on the screen.
It doesn't say picks Greg likes. That would seem to
be a nice thing to say. It says picks. Greg
doesn't hate. That's I don't love that don't love.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Maybe that's our producer trying to you know, cause even
more for between us, Accid Empty to the Raiders at six,
Mason Graham to the Panthers, at eight, Will Campbell the
tackle from LSU go to the Bears. At ten, Colston
Lovelin the tight end go into Seattle, and Donovan Azeraku
go into the Bucks at night.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Nicely done, good pronunciation.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, we'd done that very much.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I practice. I want to go through these one by one.
Let's start with Mason Graham. Actually I just like this
pick because on the last show I kind of knocked him.
I wonder, is this really a three down player? And
you took offense to that, and then you know, fast
forward a couple of weeks and you're moving him down
in your mock draft.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You're listening to me.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, that's that's absolutely incorrect. It's it's very consistent with
my take on Mason Graham, who has not had any movement,
you know, in terms of my top fifty list, in
terms of like a major fall there. I think he
went from what five to eight, So it's three spots.
And I told everybody this is going to happen with
Mason Graham. He's a great player. Everyone has good grades.
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He has made for the fall, he's not made for
the spring. We do not see him work out at
the combine. We'll see him at the Pro Day. But
he's not gonna wow you on the on the hoof.
You're not going to walk out there and see, you know,
this physically imposing guy compared to his teammate seventy eight
Kenneth Grant, who you see on the video that we're
watching right now. I don't think he's going to have
long arms. He's not going to be one who's going
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to just blow it up from a testing standpoint. So
as happens every year with a couple of players who
are great on tape and they're not built for spring,
you'll see those guys slide a little bit, and what
happens is they end up, you know, falling to a
team that's very, very fortunate to have him. The Baltimore
Ravens have an All Pro safety at a Notre Dame
that we saw the exact same thing happen in Kyle Hamilton.
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So again, Greg, some guys and we'll we'll educate you.
As we're doing more of these shows year after year
after year, you're gonna start picking up on this. You're
gonna have fall guys and I'm not talking about lead majors,
and you're gonna have spring guys and that has something
to do with where they go in the draft, all.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Right, jokes aside.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Is it fair to say that teams view Graham differently,
that he might be more divisive?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't know if this is true or not.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm asking do you think that his Of course, there's
a lot of teams that are going to agree with you,
and you only need one team to be like that
they fall in love with the film. But are there
some teams you think just don't view him as that
sort of player.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I won't blanket it with teams because I've talked to
different people and organizations, and I know some individuals might
not be as high on him as I am, But
I would say the vast majority of folks I talk
to hold him in very high esteem. And to be honest,
like from a draft standpoint, we're not flush with premier, premier,
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you know, impact guys up there in the top ten.
So I think what you're going to see is kind
of the consistent, the steady, you know, reliable, dependable players
like him. I think they're going to get bumped up
a little bit when it's all said and done with
the teams that you know, just they don't want to
miss Greg. We used to always say when I was
in Baltimore, Ozzie Newsom used to always say, Hey, there's
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nothing wrong with hitt and double, so we don't need
to swing for the fences. Let's get solid, you know, guys.
And then a lot of times end up being more
than that. But I think he is a very very
high floor player.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Similar to Will Campbell.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So I like that pick because it just seems to
complete the theme of the Bears offseason.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think they've come out with a purpose.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
They've done it in trades, They've done it in free agency.
You know, I think their head coach is partly running
the show here at least, you know, he has a
big contribution of how this is going to look. And
Will Campbell being the second offensive lineman off the board,
if he is there at ten, that makes a lot
of sense to me, possibly you know, sliding right in
at left tackle. My question for you is, do you
do you think you think he's the second offensive lineman
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on the board in this mock draft he is now
behind armand Membu, who's going number seven to the Jets.
Do you think that's like a conventional take now in
terms of teams, do you think he's more likely to
go second, or that's just a toss up.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think it's a we have. I literally think it's
unber onint and I would not be surprised if that
went either way. You've got Campbell who has you know, Look,
he started as a true freshman there, you know, all
the makeup, the intangibles, off the charts tested. I mean
he tested well. I mean it got kind of lost
because Membo put on such a show. But you know,
Will Campbell doesn't have the length that scares does scare
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some people, It's not even really the length that would
almost say. It's more of the wingspan, just kind of
narrow shoulders and now a real broad guy. And Mimbo
just you know, as big as he is, as strong
and athletic as he is. They're both young guys. You know,
I think you could see half the teams have it
one way, half the teams have it the other. I
do think they go off within a few picks of
each other.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
By the way, you're taping it, As you mentioned from
Big twelve prote can you tell the the announcer in
the battle?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, you got mad at me. Oh you didn't answer
my question. Well, I can't hear you, but I've got
I've got the PA guy going on nutso behind me.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I thought I was just hearing something crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But it just shows how what other shows are out
there on site giving you this material.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Ian Rappaport, he's on the ski slopes.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I have information right now, he's not even working and
we're out here grinding, especially you.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
By the way. By the way, kids kids size, kids
size skis. By the way, nobody knows that, but that's true, right.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's that it's that little side ski lift that's just
like a mini one. It's like you could have even
just walked up to the little kiddy hill that you go.
I'm with you there, Colson Lovelin, What a what a
pickup this would be for the Seattle Seahawks, who I
think need help on offense. You have him falling to eighteenth,
not falling that that's a good spot.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad you picked this one.
I'm glad you picked this one to talk about because
I know, like I've talked, we talked about it previously too,
like offensive line, interior, offensive lines and direction you would
think makes a ton of sense for them, but in
this in this case, I think and this is maybe
a disconnect between and inside the draft room and maybe
what the expectations are on the fan side of things,
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which is, yes, we we might have a higher need somewhere,
but you don't pass on what we would call blue player,
Like this is someone who I have as a top
seven player in the draft, and do we have anybody?
Is Noah Fan going to preclude me from taking a
top seven player in the draft? Not a chance. I'm
gonna give Sam Donald a bunch of easy, easy completions
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here with someone like Lovelin. So I think that's you know,
there's times where like, hey, we have a need, we
need to fill it. Obviously you hope to do that
in free agency, but you're still gonna have needs in
the draft. But the golden rule don't pass on great players.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, to me, he might be a safer pick than
Tyler Warren. You can just see what he does and
having to translate at the next level. And I also
just thought it would be important for them to get
like a tight end. He showed us in his last
year that he can really catch off target, throws and
that's going to be necessary when Sam Donald's your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh wow, I see see you had to just get
a Donald dig in there too. Man. By the way,
are you guys having Are you guys having a party
at the Rosenthal household whenever we get the new Geno deal.
I didn't know if he whether is going to pay
for that or not? Like do you does he pay
for balloons and cake that you guys can?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He does follow me on Twitter. We've never actually had
a personal interaction.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It might it might be his his social media guy
follows you on Twitter. Let's let's be honest here. Come on,
by the way, if you ever send a direct message,
because I have again, like different players people and you
know a lot of times athletes that they'll follow and
you follow him back, and uh, I think I'll be
on tell you what it was. He was Cooper Cup
and I'll next time I see him, I'll find out
(21:34):
if this is true or not. But my theory is
that when you send somebody, hey, congratulations on the new deal,
happy before you hope all as well, and you get
back prayer hands, I'm thinking that's not I don't think
that's Cooper. I think that's just I think that's his
guy that runs the social media. That's just acknowledging like, hey, yeah,
I didn't realize I followed you. But thanks, thanks for
the Thanks for the nice note.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I love the little behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And yeah, while we're while we're talking gin know, we
might as well talk to ask GenZ. You have him
going number six and we're still waiting to see that
Gino contract.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
This is one of those.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I'm asking you to fight through the noise back
there that there's a lot of buzz about. You know,
I only have so many sources, not as many as
the real insider Daniel Jeremiah, but this does seem one that,
like people think, could really happen. Is there any concern
if you're the Raiders that so many teams think that.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
No, I don't think that you're in danger of having
somebody leap frog you. I mean that's the you know,
teams are so paranoid about information getting out and their
whole thing. Oh somebody's gonna trade up in front of me.
That so rarely happens. You know, that you get connected
with the player and then a team will leap frog you.
To take them, and especially at the running back position
in a deep running back draft. And you know, Laurie
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and Hampton for me is not that far off. I
love Gentie, I love this as player, but Marion Hampton
really really good back. I can't imagine that if you're
like the Bear, you're going to trade picks to get
up ahead of the Raiders to get genty when if
you were dead set on taking a running back, you'd
have amar and Hampton waiting for you, or you could
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even you know, potentially wait till you know your second
round comes around and get one of the Ohio State
running backs. So I don't think there's danger with that
particular team being connected to that player.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And there's been some criticism for the Seahawks, you know,
trading dk Metcalf away from Darnold for instance, and not
picking up an offensive The Raiders don't have a Jackson
Smith and Jigba. The Raiders need some some weapons on
their team. They don't have the running backs.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Certain they got one, they got one, really really good one.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Gino Smith, rock Bowers look at you, wide receiver,
absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Rock Bowers is a wide receiver with a te next
to his name.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
That is absolutely fair. All right, we're going to take
a quick break.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
We're going to come back and we're going to go
through some of the picks that wasn't as sure about
as confident.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
These other ones you didn't hate. That's his nice compliment. Thanks,
I don't hate these picks, what ad chirk.
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Speaker 4 (24:33):
And yeah, they got Jalen.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Carter's picture up there, They got Travis Hunters. They should
have Daniel Jeremiah's picture up there. He's the one who
owns the draft, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Is that what you just said? Jalen Carter? So you guys,
he goes to Penn State now and he's in this
year's draft. The Eagles are gonna be very surprised by that.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I'm the draft guy. I'm just trying to catch.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
This, gracious, that's why it's called forties and free agents.
Free agents way way after the forties in terms of
importance on this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, so let's talk about some players that I didn't
think you did as good a job with. I'm gonna
call this section. What does DJ know about some of
these players?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Do you need me to pronounce them?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Greg?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Or?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
You think you got this one on there? You got
this one here?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay, I mean I've got Jalen Carter on the brain.
He was the most important player on the best defense
in the league. Let's talk Jackson Dart and there's a
number of players on this board that, Yeah, I don't
think he did a great job with here, DJ or
more than I have questions, but Jackson's Dart going twenty
one to the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Is this a guy that it's.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
More on the evaluation or more what you're hearing putting
him that early?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, I just I don't know who's playing quarterback for him.
And I asked myself a very simple question, do I
think Jackson Dart would beat out Mason Rudolph? And I
think he would sooner rather than later. And I also
with Jackson Dart, I've used this before, but he does
remind me of Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts, who wasn't a
finished product coming out, but when you watched him every
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year in college, he got better and better and better.
They're both strong, sturdy guys. You look at the way
they can move around. Obviously, jack Star doesn't move around
white like Hurtz does, but he rushed over fifteen hundred
yards in his three years in the SEC. He's athletic.
So all those things together, I thought, man, you could
find some similarities there. And you look at you know,
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Andy Widele's with the Pittsburgh Steelers, he was with the
Philadelphia Eagles. So I was just kind of putting a
couple of pieces together there. And more so than anything else,
it was like, is this guy better than what we
have on our roster at the moment? And the answer
was yes.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And yet it reminds me too much of the Kenny
Pickett Draft that there's maybe only so many first round
quarterbacks in that class that there were none in this class.
Maybe there's the big two if you want to put
Shitur Sanders there, and then it's forcing a pick up
with Jackson Dart. But we'll see it makes a little
bit of sense. They are on Aaron Rodgers watch, and
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yet I don't think that would prevent them from looking
for a quarterback of the former.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm going to see if I can get the PA
to turn the volume pubb litle. I don't know if
you're hearing that enough. So we are here at the
Big twelve Pro Day and linebackers are running for literally,
we're doing forties in free agents while they're running flutings
like you don't, I mean, where else you get back?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Come on you you are playing hurt today, You're you're
fighting through a double team. I appreciate it, AND's why
I feel bad for picking on any of these picks.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I'm not really. They actually made me wonder, like.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
What is d good questions? Good questions?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
DJ knows a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
What does he know about Ted McMillan here, who has
a little bit of a slower forty time this week
you've had him in your top twenty top in terms
of your evaluation, so you obviously like them as a player,
but you have them twenty two going to the Los
Angeles Chargers, and I gotta admit DJ, I checked on
the mel Kuiper mock draft, which also came out.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I don't know if I'm allowed to say mel Kiper's name.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
No. I love Melon absolutely and tech.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
He was kind of low on on his mock draft too.
So something's happening here. What's happening with Ted McMillan.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, a couple things. He ran his forty other day. Now,
don't this is a public service announcement. Don't believe the
times that you get from four he's at Pro Days
unless you get somebody who's talked to a scout who
was there, because the times were circularing. We're in the
four fours, and I talked to five or six different teams,
and I didn't get anything from that. I got anywhere
from the range of four or five three at the
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low end all the way up to one was at
four six three. But the most consistent ones and the
ones that got circulated to all the different teams was
the four or five three number, which is a good time.
It's a solid time for guy who's six foot four,
two hundred nineteen two hundred and twenty pounds. But historically, Greg,
I always try and remind people when you're doing mock
drafts and you're talking about ranges of where guys can go.
I'm not saying what type of player he's going to be,
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but the last time we had a receiver running the
four or five and going to the top fifteen, you
got to go back to Mike Evans in twenty fourteen.
So historically the league doesn't take wide receivers that lack,
you know, that top top speed. They historically don't go
in the top fifteen. And when you have Matthew Golden,
who's got really good tape at Texas RANA four two nine,
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we'll see what happens with the BUCA. He was a
tough one for me. I think once he runs, I
think he'll run faster than people expect. I didn't have
him in this last mock draft. I think he'll come
right back in once he shows everybody and verifies the
speed that he has. So it's different flavors with receivers.
I think it's I think it's possible. Maybe it's not
likely he gets all the way to twenty two, but
I think it's absolutely possible.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Now, I know you know you respect mel Kiper a lot,
but are you are you checking out his mock drafts
just to see or are you kind of Don Draper
and the Element.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, I think three him Mike, No, I love Mel
and ours came out the same morning, So you know,
you turn those in and then you just kind of see.
So I always see it like he's curious to see
if there's any new names that pop up in there,
you know, because a lot of times you know that's
coming from somewhere. It's not just you know what you're seeing.
He does it similarly to the way I do it
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of talking to people on mock drafts. You rank them
off your eyes. You you do mock drafts a little
bit more off your ears. So maybe there's somebody's catching
some buzz. Maybe I can uh, I do my own
homework on that. But yeah, I love Mel. I always
love checking out Mel stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Okay, I can't. I can't get you to take down
Mel that he's no ian.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I was in Mel's book. I used to work literally
while I was in college, I was working on the
draft with the Response. I got to go out to
dinner with Mel. I got to meet Mel Wows in
college and my senior year. He'd had no business putting
me in the book. He put me in his draft book.
As you know, I think Priorty free agent would be
with a kind way to say it, but I did.
I did make it to Mel's book that year.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh. I didn't even get you were in his book
as a player. I thought you were just setting them
out on the scouting upstate. I didn't know you played football.
That's cool. You should start a podcast tough.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
That is tough. That is tough.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I uh, I just wanted to throw a little bit
of news for our listeners. Cam Robinson signed with the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Now that's probably.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It is a one year deal, so I don't think
that would necessarily prevent them from taking a tackle. You
had him going Kelvin Banks, who plays the same position,
but again, I don't think that would prevent them from
taking a tackle. For a one year pickup for Cam Robinson.
But that was just interesting to me. I noticed Samar Stewart,
who blew up the combine, is number thirty two in
your mock draft. The Eagles taking another big, strong, fast guy.
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Just interesting that maybe he didn't get the bump that
I would have thought coming off that combine performance.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I mean, we had some people.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'm not gonna name names, asking could this guy go
number one overall. After the combine, you have a bat
at thirty two.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, I don't think that we know where he could go.
He's one with a very broad range. I will just
say I was in the combine up in the booth
next to rich Eisen when Nolan Smith ran what in
the high four threes, low four fours or whatever. He
ran out of Georgia. But someone who didn't have a
ton of sack production, And what happened to Nolan Smith?
He fell into the lap of the Philadelphia Eagles. History
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has a way of repeating itself, Craig, So that was
kind of my thought process there. The production isn't there.
The disruption is he's very disruptive. You can see on
the clips that we're watching as we're talking here. I
mean he's got big time, big time speed that you
see when he's working out. It also does translate to
the football field. He just hasn't you know, he hasn't
been able to rack up the sac production, hasn't been
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a great finisher. Something that I think is, I think
there's more out there form. I think he's going to
get better in that department. But if you told me
that he was the ninth pick, tenth pick, or he
was a thirty second pick. It's kind of one of
those drafts where he's one of those guys with a
very wide range.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, so DJ's not standing like on on its two feet.
He has this big mock draft that comes out right
before the draft. I think he'll have the best information there.
So I like hearing that on Stewart Matthew Golden number
twelve overall, I just thought was a little wild in
this scenario. There's no Accngendy on the board for the Cowboys.
But man, his forty maybe helped him out. What's the
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thinking there? That was one where I was like, Wow,
does DJ know something that gold would go that high
first receiver off the board.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, he's my first receiver. So that's how I have
him stacked. His tape is really good. This is someone
if you think about Texas, he transfers from Houston, goes
to the University of Texas, and in one year establishes
himself as as the guy that your quarterback and Quinn
Ewers and your play caller and Steve Sarkisian trusts more
than anyone. Why do I say that, because when you're
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in a playoff game against Arizona State and it's fourth
down and your season is on the line. That's where
the ball went, and he saved their season. You see
one handed catches when you watch him, he's really really strong.
I go back to the less sneed line that when
I talked about receivers many many years ago, maybe not
maybe three years ago, and they've had such a good
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job of hitting on whiteouts. I asked him one of
the things that they focused on. He talked about guys
that are grounded through the catch, Guys that run through
the ball. They trust their hands, they don't gather, they
don't leave their feet, they run right through the ball
with their cleats in the ground. And Golden does that
really really well. And then on top of that, a
little sprinkle on top of the Sunday he ran four.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Two nine right, And the Cowboys have a massive need
there in terms of their second respect.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, you get him over the top and with
that speed and the ability to make things happen, and
you free up a little space for seedy lamb that
I'd be a fun pick.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
No, I got admit, I don't. I don't hate that one.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
That was one I just wanted to know a little
more what's going in behind this week. As you said
with Mel, you know he DJ's here and all this stuff.
More to come on forties in free agents.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Back in a minute. We're back on.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Let's let's look at some of the new names. Just
kind of go over who was added from the last version.
New additions from the last mock draft. Uh Donovan Azerako,
I mentioned Jackson Dart Maxwell Harston is new. He's at
twenty three to the Packers.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Uh. Nick and Worry from the you know, South Carolina
is at twenty four to the Viking team.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Trey Amos was added Mississippi cornerback Derek Harmon, the defensive
tackle from Oregon and then the cornerback as Aarya Thomas
from Florida State at twenty nine. Hairston is a guy
would be very interesting for Green Bay. We don't know
what the future is for Jayah Alexander. Do you think
he fits kind of what they do as a team.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Can you go back to Thomas's first name? He pronounced
that one more time for me. Greg.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I didn't realize. I don't know why I felt like
I needed to say every name there. I didn't need
to I.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Saw your showing off at some point in time. I
was like, oh, yeah, Greg, I just heard this name,
you know, twenty minutes ago. Let me really try and
practice the pronunciation. I mean pretty suppressed.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That was worse.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I don't know why I kept you better the first time,
so I didn't think you had any chance of repeating
that success, you know what I mean. That's why, that's
why I wanted to get that on the record. What
was your question again one more time?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It was about Hairston.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And also I actually was a little surprise Starks and
emin Warre. You still have Malachi Starks so far ahead
despite him blowing up the combine.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And it worked worked out. Yeah. Well, let's first of all,
on Harston and the Harriston ran really well. Harriston in
twenty three, fully healthy, played a whole season, had five interceptions,
made tons of plays on the ball, tested extremely well. Obviously,
he's a freak in terms of the exclusiveness. You know,
wish she was a little thicker, but he's he's someone
that can find and play the ball. He's got big
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time speed and he's willing. Some of his tackling wasn't
as good this year because of the shoulder injury, but
you go back to twenty three, you felt more comfortable
with it. Had a good senior bawl. So he's had
a good a good process. So that's why I had
him going to the Packers and a team with jy
O Xanders. I think we'd say his days are not
long there. So that's what that's what made sense to me.
And then in terms of the two safeties, Malachi Starks,
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I'm telling you, I have not heard one person that
interviewed him or talked to him at the comp line
from all that didn't love him like not like him,
like just loved him in terms of the intelligence, the
ability to communicate what he sees going through his tape,
the leadership that the background information they've got coming out
of the school. So he's a He's a real fluid,
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smooth athlete who can play as the free safety. He
can cover in the slot. We're gonna be a little
bit better in coverage in the slot. Even Warry is
a big, hulking dude, He's not gonna be quite as nimble,
uh to redirect like that. And and even Warry worked
out great. He makes a ton of plays on the ball,
kind of buzzing underneath things kind of as a floater
and it's going to be an excellent butzer and he's
a he's a phenomenal player. But I just think with
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Malachi Starks as someone that that teams, coaches, personnel, guys
that have met with him, there's there's there's a lot
of love for him out there.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, Starks to the Dolphins. I should have mentioned at thirteen.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, Holland Goney.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's that's a fun fit.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But man em and worry to the Vikings just as
a I want to see that with Brian Flores and
you know, you cut him.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Loose and let him blitz. He might have eight ten
sacks next year if they if he went there.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
You're making fun of me for the pronunciation, and you should,
but I take this seriously.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I'm going to self scout.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm going to improve from this week to the next
because I hate it when people are making jokes about
not getting the pronunciation right. Like John McEnroe has no
idea of these guys names who are like in the
top thirty.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
It's your job learn the names, do better.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I'm saying, wait, wait, wait, wait to criticize. You know
one of the legends of the game mc androe, like,
we're going to go after McEnroe at this point, you
want to next.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Bodcasts ahead, know, anyone outside the top five. He gets
clearly bored by it. As Iroku, I was ready for
that name. I just love that I could see him
as a Tampa Bay buccaneer. He was not in your
mock draft at all, and now he's all the way
up to nineteen. It's what they need, a guy who
can bend the edge. Maybe not you know, as big
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a player, but some real pass rush skills.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
He fits to me what Tampa Bay wants to do.
Why why did he jump so much? Is it just
about the team fit?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, he's he's in He's in that range on my
top fifty list, so kind of where I have him stacked.
And I also he's another one who just he knows
how to play, he knows how to rush. He's got
tons of production, he's got long arms which I love
coming off the edge, and had a really solid week
at the Senior Bowl. Coaches that were around him there
at the Senior Bowl, he really really enjoyed being around him.
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And I know, you know, just Jason light in his
background in his history and talking to him over the years,
I know he values production. So it's not only just
kind of the traits that you have, the long arms,
and he loves the fact of, you know, historically guys
that know how to finish and can win and get
the job done and finished with sacks and that's what
he does.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah, just a couple of players.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
We haven't mentioned that there were players that were on
your last mock draft that are no longer with us,
at least in this show.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
You say it like that goodness stream still alive, Greg.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, don't you feel bad?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know, q up Bone Thugs and Harmony Crossroads here,
Walter Nolan Nolan, he was twelfth on your last mock
he's no longer there. Tyler Booker, the guard from Alabama,
he was at thirteen, he's no longer on it.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And then some guys that were towards the.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
End of the draft like Amika Buca, who you had
at twenty five before Treveon Henderson was at twenty four,
Darius Alexander.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Does that any of these names stand out to you?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, let me give you some information. Let me give
you some information. So this is literally as we're doing
this in the stadium in San Frisco with the big
twelve combine. That's again that's the voice you're hearing in
the background as they're finishing up their workout. But Alabama
had their Pro Day today. Booker did not have a
good combine, like actually really poor combine in terms of
the testing. His ten time at the combine was I
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believe was a one to nine six for his ten
time and then he was one eight seven I believe today.
So that's from from guys who are there at the
pro day, so much better for him. Uh definitely helped
himself with that performance. Yeah, his tens were his two runs.
So I think Booker get he'll get back in, He'll
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get back into the latter third. I would say of
the first round. Walter Nolan. Again, there's some of those guys,
Shamar Stewart, Walter Nolan. There's pinions all over the map
on these guys.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
So again it's it's that type of a draft greg
where you you can see boards stacked so differently, more
so than any other year normally. There's kind of a
these are the top fifteen picks. I don't know how
they're gonna come off, but these fifteen players are likely
to go in the first fifteen spots this year.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
There's nothing that makes it more fun.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
It also makes it great for people like me who
like the mock drafters to just go up and flames
little shouting.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I think it's anybody, have they ever? Not like you
get celebrated on a mock draft if you get if
you got like ten guys out of thirty two, that's
a heck of a mock draft.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
That's fair. Yeah, and you you had like last time. Mean,
this is how free agency affects things a lot. You
had Trevion Henderson going to the Vikings. Now they get
Aaron Jones, they trade for Jordan Mason.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
It is clear at Travion Henderson, that's.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How Yeah, it was a great player, but that fit
is absolutely out. And then you're looking at teams the
back end of the first round, not as many. I
think that would take a running back. Let's look at
the biggest risers. This is our last graphic if you
are well.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
First of all, First of all, yeah, do you find
it funny that I think we're signed up to do
ten shows?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And it's the two guys right, and we're going to
at forties and free agents like the draft and freezency.
We're going to do two of the ten shows on
free agency in eight on the draft. I mean, I
don't know, I don't know what that says.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
But we're talking about the marriage of the two. I
just brought up some Coldstone awesome in no and it
was an It was nice if you know.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
It was nice, you know, as we're three quarters the
way through the show for you to contribute. I appreciate it.
That was a good nugget. I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Camp Robinson was another thing. He was a guy who
I think I might have rated too high. You know,
I listened to you, you say, push those offensive linemen
around earlier. I kind of did that in my top
one hundred, and Cam Robinson was in my top thirty.
NFL teams did not agree with me, I don't think.
But he did get twelve thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
It's going to be a starting he's going to be
starting left tackle. It's going to get a decent money.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
That makes me feel better.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Amari Cooper is just out there and he's just laughing
at me. Let's look finally at the biggest risers from
their previous version, Jihad Campbell all the way up to
number nine. From twenty nine, Malachi Starks we mentioned went
from thirty two to thirteen, Matthew Golden up to twelve,
Genti from twenty one up to six, and then as
a rocker with a lot of the guys we mentioned
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up all the way to nineteen. Campbell to the Saints
is really interesting to me. Here's my question about the
Saints that maybe you're not in position to answer.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I know if you are or not. Who do you
think really as the juice there in the building.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Like, on one hand, I want to think, Okay, Kellen Moore,
new offense, we're going to have a new approach, new
defensive coordinator, Brandon Staley, all this stuff. But then I
look at what they're doing this offseason and it's just like, oh, yeah,
these are the same old Saints. Mickey Loomis is a
very important person in that building. So when you're pick
making these picks, for instance, Jihad Campbell, like, are you
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thinking about what the old Saints would do or the
new Saints? I want to know who has the juice
in that building. That's just a bigger question than I have.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well, I mean, ultimately, Mickey does. But I do think
that as a first you know, first time, first year
new head coach for the Saints, I would think they're
not going to do anything that Kellen Moore doesn't want
to do. So I think a lot of times people
ask that question, like who has the power? I'll say, well,
I've never worked for a team where we took a
player in the first round that our coaches didn't like.
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You know, so even if we might have higher grades
on the personnel, there's enough guys to pick from. We
can find somebody that we both like. So I think
that is a little bit more of a collaboration. Now.
The interesting thing on Jihad Campbell turn that thing in.
You know, a few days ago, mock draft comes out.
Alabama has their pro day today. He announces it the
pro day that he just had labor labor surgery, I
believe right after the combine. So he's gonna be down
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for a little bit. I don't think that will impact,
you know, how high he goes. He should have a
chance to be fully recovered. But uh, you know, it's
the medical part of this thing. Is is something we
won't know, so that uh you know, that's a that's
something to keep an eye on with him.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, that would be an interesting pick for that. I
guess they have needs everywhere in theory because they don't
have a lot of young core players and so.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Getting young and fast. They need to get young and
fast and athletic, and I think Johid Campbell gives them
that and someone who can do a lot.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Of different things. I want.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I want some offensive linemen, I want some weapons. I
want some offensive players. I want to I want a quarterback.
And I look at my linebacker position and you know,
they just renegotiated to Mario Davis again. They renegotiated Pete
Warner again. And those are two good players to me.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
This dude can rush off the edge. You could literally
line him up as an outside linebacker. He might get
you twelve sacks next year. So really, that's kind of
the unique part about Campbell. Well, he can. He was
recruited he was an edge rusher and high school. Was
recruited there as an edge rusher. But what do you
do when you show up to campus and you've got
two first round picks as your edge rushers at Alabama,
They're not gonna you know, he wasn't gonna get on
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the field, so they moved him off the ball. And
then this last year he got a chance to rush
a little bit more, but he was there with Dallas
Turner and Will Anderson, so that's why he ended up
moving off the ball.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Okay, since we're getting into this year and I know
it's a little more draft than free agency, doesn't he profile?
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Didn't he look like an off ball.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Linebacker, like comparing him to Jalen Walker for instance, who
played at multiple positions, and I think you see, you
can kind of see man, that guy could be Mike,
Michael Parks whatever. He's going to be an explosive edge
type of guy. Wasn't Campbell just such? It's a good
off ball linebacker that that's where most of the league
will see him.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
He's taller than uh, taller than Jalen Walker. He's I
believe longer than Jalen Walker. And he can really rush
like he knows how to rush. So yeah, no, he
would fit right in. You throw him outside and let
him rush, he will not look out of place at all.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
We haven't gotten a chance of talk.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And you mentioned Cooper cup is just slide into your
DMS or his social media manager is what did you
think of that move? By the way, I'm just throwing
this at you at the last second.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, well, I talked about it. I talked about it
last week. I liked it. I thought they would sign
Garrett Bradbury as well, which they didn't end up going
to New England, but they did end up getting the
Cooper cup don And I want to say that I
asked you what you thought the number would be. You
weren't right. I said it would be fifteen, and it
ended up being exactly fifteen. But neither neither here nor there.
I do like the fact of putting smart sure handed
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receiver with JSN, who's a smart, sure handed receiver. I
think you're going to be able to do a lot
of different things, be able to read things on the go.
People wonder that sometimes about that, like well, what who
cares if you're smart, just just run your route catch
the ball.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
You know. Look, you get guys that can really sighted
just and can see things the same way as a quarterback.
It does give you some some more opportunity there. You've
got two guys who have done a tonnel work in
the slot. With him and JSN, I think they'll I
think they'll be able to move them around, you know,
get get at least one of them, obviously in more
than one of them are not in Canada, but we
get one of those guys on the move to kind
of free them up. Now, I like that fit in
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the middle. They need to get somebody now on the outside,
preferably somebody with some real speed. I think they signed
MVS right that they signed signed Valdez Scantling. Yeah, so
that's theoretically, that's that's the compliment you need for those
two players. You need somebody that can get over the top,
outside and out. And I had them taking you know, Loveland.
So now you know, if somehow that were to work
out that way, I mean, you completely overhauled your your
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pass catchers if that's if that's what ends up happening.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yes, we we talked about that as a possibility.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I'm doing too many shows these days, but we didn't
We didn't know for sure. You just knew because you
knew more than the insiders.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
No.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Meanwhile, Ian Rappaport is out there on the ski slopes
and DJ is breaking it down carrying us. We appreciate
everyone tuning in. We will be back next week on
forties and free agents. I will try to carry more
of my load here, of the share.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Let's let's do it, DJA.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
How about just someplow, just just a little bit, just.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
A little effort that I was setting you up and
you were spiking them down there.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
You go, well per half, right,
Welcome to forties and free Agents. You're limited series show
going all the way to the Draft. We're going to
talk about Daniel Jeremiah's mock Draft three point zero. But
this show has been such a hit early, we've already
graduated to the media beef portion of our of our growth.
Let's listen to the insiders from our own network who
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didn't like that DJ was the one breaking some news
last week.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Anyway, DJ, You're welcome to scoop tam or sometimes you're
in the back of an uber the night before the draft,
the DJ's debating between CJ Starter, Will Anderson going to
the Texans, and I yell out, how about give him
bold and then you take credit for it. You take
a little victory lot. I'm just saying, there's a little
bit that was meeting.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
That was more.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
DJ is the best. Greg is also a person we
work with.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wow. That's uh, That's that's tough one there, Greg. I
will say, I'm here in Frisco at the home of
the Dallas Cowboys, a home of an organization said they're
going to be selectively aggressive. I feel like Pella Sero's
selective memory there with with how that went down on
the Houston Texans. But I honestly don't feel that bad
the way I came out and that Greg, I thought
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maybe more of a shot at you there at the
end someone we worked with that one. That's a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, No, I would like to actually thank the insiders,
the only three men in the industry that could make
me look likable in comparison. So we have a big
show this week. We're going to go through your mock draft.
We're going to talk about picks we like, picks we didn't.
But let's just take a look at the top five
to start out the show and how it's changed since
your last one. So this time around, we got cam
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Ward number one. That's a flip flop. Abdull Carter is
there now at number two going to the Browns. Sedar
Sanders is up to number three with the Giants. That's Spiceye,
Travis Hunter to the Patriots at four, and Jalen Walker
from of the linebacker going to the Jaguars at five.
Let's just kind of go through some of these changes.
I'll give you an easy question for as well, why
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flip the top two picks?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, I think some of it's what you alluded to
one of our previous episodes about the fact that Tennessee
really hasn't done anything at the quarterback position, and it's
hard to imagine they're just going to run it back
with Will Levice. I thought it was a salient point
that you made, Greg. I like to point those out.
They can be a little few and far between.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
But I also think that if it's not Tennessee, that
it's somebody else coming up to take cam Warden. It
just feels like, if you're Tennessee, you're going to take
cam Ward, or you're going to trade the pick for
somebody else to come take cam Ward. You're going to
get some assets. You know. It doesn't It wouldn't make
as much sense for them to take another player at
one when they might be able to get that same
player by trading down to two or three for two
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teams behind you that could be in the quarterback market.
So that's why I've slotted cam Ward in at the
number one spot.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
That all makes sense, But all I could really hear
there was you pumping me up. I like that the
insiders coming after us is bringing forties and free agents together.
Like point out that you're the only person other than
Aaron Rodgers, who who still plugs in you know, his
ear pods.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
There, you know, true story. We got time. I mean,
what do we got to do. I just did three
hours of live coverage at the Big twelve Pro today,
So let's let's let's go ahead and let this breathe
a little bit. This is an Instagram thing. I saw
this on social media. Basically told me I'm gonna I'm
gonna keel over and die because I have been using
wireless headphones all these years and so I don't know
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if there's any truth to that. Science scared me enough
to the point that I'm plugging these uncomfortable things. And
I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That, Yeah, that's where we are in twenty twenty five.
You want to get all your news from Instagram? Warning
about brain waves accurate. Miles Garrett was with our friend
Andrew Ceciliano this week on his podcast for the Cleveland Browns,
and he said he had an idea what the Browns
are doing at quarterback and it made him feel better
about signing there. I'm just curious, do you think he
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has any idea? What would that idea? Because to me,
the most logical idea there would be would he be
excited about them trading up for cam Wards unless kirk
Cousins gets some going in your mock, you have Abdul
Carter going number two and pairing with Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, I think that there's an interesting choice there, and
I've touched on this before with Cleveland, but I tried
to flesh it out a little bit more. First of all,
you do hear kirk Cousins name mentioned, you know, as
someone who you know. I do believe he is going
to get traded eventually, So maybe that's they're selling him
on a veteran who can come in here and kind
of just get the offense functional, and then they could
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use that first pick as I had him here, taking
Abdull Carter to give him a big time rusher on
the opposite side, where you know, with Jim Schwartz's defense,
they're going to line those guys up wide and they're
going to let them hunt, and that would be a
great fit there on the opposite side of Miles Garrett
with Abdull Carter. Now, I do believe wholeheartedly Greg, they're
going to take a quarterback with one of their first
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two picks. So the question is do you want to
take Abdull Carter if he's there, who's the best my opinion,
the best player in the draft for sure, the best
defensive lineman in the draft, and then pair him up
with a quarterback that second tier, whether that's someone like
a Jackson Dart, whether that's a Tyler Shuck, whoever your
quarterback is. You know, Tyler Shuck is a big, strong
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arm guy, kind of fits that division and that that
that climate a little bit. So I thought that would
be a pairing versus you take shud or standers, you
come back to edge rusher you get in the second
round is going to look nothing like Abdul Carter. So
that's kind of the logic behind the way that I went.
And I don't know if that's what they explained to
Miles Garrett or not, but you know, we'll see. I
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do think they're going to take a quarterback one of
their first two picks.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, they famously passed on a quarterback to take Miles Garrett.
It was Carson Wentz, and for a couple of years,
Brown's fans were tortured thinking they missed out on their guy.
And now there's some buzz actually Carson Wentz might be
the backup veteran option there. So maybe they want to
go back to history, and that would say, yeah, take
Abdul Carter, go back, Go back.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Greg, go back, Greg. And look at the twenty one
draft where we spent and trust me, I was part
of it. We spent all that time talking about those
five quarterbacks. They all ended up going right. You had
Trevor Lawrence Goh, that was Trey Lance, that was justin Fields,
that was Mac Jones, that was Wilson with the Jets.
All these guys we talked about him, the who run
up to the draft and go look at I think
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seven of the top thirteen picks have got extensions. Now
we've seen j C. Horn, We've seen with Jamar Chase Waddle,
all those guys, Davante Smith, they've all got extended. The
missus ended up being the vast majority of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Right, And the only one without an extension out of
that whole top ten or top twelve is Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Maybe the best player among them. You got to yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Then right behind him as Rashaan Slater, who's waiting on
his extension. Who's gonna get one, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So when these mocks come out, and look, I'm glad
that you're your debuting this here digitally with forties and
free agents, Daniel, But I've already seen it, Like there's
all sorts of shows and websites that are basing content
off of your mock draft. If if you Google, it's
like hard to actually find your mock drafts because so
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many people are writing about your mock draft. And one
of the things you're doing that most mock drafters aren't.
And when you do mock drafts, it's actual news is
you are moving should Sanders up at a time when
some people are moving him down. We're at a point
where we hear from Tom Pelasero. I will give him
credit for being first on this one that Aaron Rodgers
and the Vikings is not a marriage that's going to happen,
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at least not anytime soon. If you wanted to wait
it out till the middle of the summer, who knows.
But you have the giants taking Shadar Sanders at a
point where Aaron Rodgers is on the table for them.
Is this a case of just they needed to save
their jobs and honestly, the only way they could possibly
do that is draft a good rookie quarterback and make
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him look good.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, they need they need to find their quarterback of
the future. We start there, and this is this is
a question. I'm glad you kind of brought this up
because a common question that comes up when you do
what I did in this mock draft is why is
Shoodoor Sanders good enough for the Giants at three but
yet not good enough for the Browns at two? Like
that's a that's a common question, and I can explain
it this way. You know, with Abdul Carter being there,
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I think you know it's a at premium player premium position.
That's a tougher decision when you're choosing between those two options.
Obviously he's off the table here for the Giants. No
Abdul Carter. The other thing is sometimes you get these
little pieces of information, some of it's yet to be verified.
And this is one hundred percent in that camp, Greg.
But I was told by someone outside the Giants organization,
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but someone inside the league that said the Giants had
a presence at every single Colorado game this year. They
were following Shudhar Standers around the entire season. So that
seemed to me, Oh, it's kind of interesting. Now. I
haven't talked to Joe Shane or talked to anybody with
the Giants to verify that. I'm sure reporters can take
the baton from here and see what they can figure out.
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But I was like, man, they've done a lot of
work and in a lot of homework on Shoodoor Sanders,
and at that point in time, with the options there,
I just thought, man, it's they would have a tougher
sell in terms of passing on a quarterback. I think
then even Cleveland, would you know, because Cleveland comes away
with the prize possession in the edge rusher there to
pair up with Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, and I know jobs are on the line in
Cleveland and New York. But the more I thought about
and was looking at your pick here, I just think
forget Aaron Rodgers because to me, it doesn't make sense
to bringing Aaron Rodgers Answerder Sanders. But that would be
a possible option for the Giants if Rogers chooses to
do that. If they choose to do that, it doesn't
sound like a decision for Rodgers coming anytime soon anyways.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, though, hold on hold on. Great.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers and I've got one or two
years left and he has a couple of suitors. By
all accounts, it sounds like the Steelers and the Giants.
Wouldn't you want confirmation from the Giants? Wouldn't you tell
them like, hey, guys, I'll come, but I want to
try and win right now? So are you going to
guarantee me? Like you know though you know if you'll
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get this answer.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Not.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, you might as well. I'd say,
guarantee me that you're getting somebody to help me, not
to sit on the bench with the third overall pick.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's fair, And it just seems like a bad idea
if you're the New York Giants, and they've made a
lot of bad ideas over the last few years, and
I think drafting Shouldar Sanders is a better idea because
the only path and I don't think it's going for
Aaron Rodgers and trying to win now with him. If
you look at his tape, he's not holding onto the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He's not close to the same athlete that he used
to be.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The only way to save your job is you have
a really good head coach with quarterbacks, and you could
go win six or seven games if should have Sanders
looks like the future at quarterback. You can extend out
your time in New York and Joe Shane in that
twenty twenty four class, which was very good, has a
chance to get even better. And everyone keeps their jobs
and that's a big part of how you make these decisions.
Now we're going to do a segment coming up, DJ
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of the picks that you know, I actually think you
did a pretty good job. But I had to say
right now, looking at the top five, Travis Hunter to
the Patriots, I mean, I don't know if you're just
kissing up to me, because this is what I would
like of I think a lot of Patriots fans would
love this, and would this be a team that you
see him at receiver? I'm curious of the other teams
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in the top five, like which teams could potentially see
him at receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I'm just trying to do what everyone does to the
Boston teams, which is like you got the Yankees all
these injuries to the pitchers, and now everybody in Boston
thinks they're going to win the World Series this year
and now, I'm just put this hope out there that
Travis Hunter is going to be gift wrapped to him
and absolutely fall into their lap. So that's all I'm doing.
I'm trying to raise the expectations there for your hometown team.
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But you know, to me, the fascinating thing with Hunter
is if you went around a different teams, Greg, how
they would use him would be different. And I'll pose
this to you as the as the Patriot homer here,
how do you tell Drake May if you pick him,
that we're going to major him in defense and minor
him on offense when he's better than anybody he's throwing
the ball to. Like, you couldn't do that. He'd have
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to be a he'd be her full, full time receiver.
And if you want to sprinkle him in on some
third downs, you know, to get them on the defensive
side of the ball, you'd do it. But I think
their plan would be way different than a team that
might have a need a.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Corner I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I think he would have to be a receiver for
them and then maybe you sprinkle him in at cornerbacks.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
See how that works. I'm going to answer my own
question since you know you didn't really answer it. Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I think you could put them if they happen to
trade down Travis Hunter, you can put they need a cornerback,
they need a wide receiver. I don't really know what Cleveland.
To me, he'd make sense at wide receiver as well.
He'd immediately be the best wide receiver on that team,
wouldn't necessarily be the best cornerback.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Giants.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You tell me Jaguars, like, what do you think these
teams specifically, because I don't think he's getting out of
the top four or five. Where where those teams would
put him?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, Cleveland would be an interesting one. I think. I
think Cleveland might be the place where you'd have a
chance to do a little double duty. You know, he'd
have a chance to maybe even maximize himself a little
bit more New England just because of what they've done
with Carlton Davis and already having an elite corner in Gonzalez.
That was the easy one to one there. I will say,
if he got the five in Jacksonville, maybe that's another
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one where he can pull some some double duty there.
But man, can you imagine on offense, Trevor Lawrence, you
get out there and you look and you see BTJ
out on one side, and now I've got Travis Hunter
as a as a toy to play with and move
him around and try and get him the ball as well.
That's that would be fun. That'd be fun if you're
a Jacks fan, I would think that that would be
a fun watch.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I mean, he's getting double duty. At least eventually you
got to give it a shot at some point. This
is a guy who's done something we've never seen before.
It would be a crime against the football gods if
you didn't give him a shot at both sides of
the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
But I get that you start out on one side.
Focus scene. Let's go to the picks that I like
the most. DJ that that you made picks and you
know I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He It's funny because it doesn't say that on the screen.
It doesn't say picks Greg likes. That would seem to
be a nice thing to say. It says picks. Greg
doesn't hate. That's I don't love that don't love.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Maybe that's our producer trying to you know, cause even
more for between us, Accid Empty to the Raiders at six,
Mason Graham to the Panthers, at eight, Will Campbell the
tackle from LSU go to the Bears. At ten, Colston
Lovelin the tight end go into Seattle, and Donovan Azeraku
go into the Bucks at night.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Nicely done, good pronunciation.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, we'd done that very much.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I practice. I want to go through these one by one.
Let's start with Mason Graham. Actually I just like this
pick because on the last show I kind of knocked him.
I wonder, is this really a three down player? And
you took offense to that, and then you know, fast
forward a couple of weeks and you're moving him down
in your mock draft.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You're listening to me.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, that's that's absolutely incorrect. It's it's very consistent with
my take on Mason Graham, who has not had any movement,
you know, in terms of my top fifty list, in
terms of like a major fall there. I think he
went from what five to eight, So it's three spots.
And I told everybody this is going to happen with
Mason Graham. He's a great player. Everyone has good grades.
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He has made for the fall, he's not made for
the spring. We do not see him work out at
the combine. We'll see him at the Pro Day. But
he's not gonna wow you on the on the hoof.
You're not going to walk out there and see, you know,
this physically imposing guy compared to his teammate seventy eight
Kenneth Grant, who you see on the video that we're
watching right now. I don't think he's going to have
long arms. He's not going to be one who's going
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to just blow it up from a testing standpoint. So
as happens every year with a couple of players who
are great on tape and they're not built for spring,
you'll see those guys slide a little bit, and what
happens is they end up, you know, falling to a
team that's very, very fortunate to have him. The Baltimore
Ravens have an All Pro safety at a Notre Dame
that we saw the exact same thing happen in Kyle Hamilton.
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So again, Greg, some guys and we'll we'll educate you.
As we're doing more of these shows year after year
after year, you're gonna start picking up on this. You're
gonna have fall guys and I'm not talking about lead majors,
and you're gonna have spring guys and that has something
to do with where they go in the draft, all.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Right, jokes aside.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Is it fair to say that teams view Graham differently,
that he might be more divisive?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't know if this is true or not.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm asking do you think that his Of course, there's
a lot of teams that are going to agree with you,
and you only need one team to be like that
they fall in love with the film. But are there
some teams you think just don't view him as that
sort of player.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I won't blanket it with teams because I've talked to
different people and organizations, and I know some individuals might
not be as high on him as I am, But
I would say the vast majority of folks I talk
to hold him in very high esteem. And to be honest,
like from a draft standpoint, we're not flush with premier, premier,
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you know, impact guys up there in the top ten.
So I think what you're going to see is kind
of the consistent, the steady, you know, reliable, dependable players
like him. I think they're going to get bumped up
a little bit when it's all said and done with
the teams that you know, just they don't want to
miss Greg. We used to always say when I was
in Baltimore, Ozzie Newsom used to always say, Hey, there's
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nothing wrong with hitt and double, so we don't need
to swing for the fences. Let's get solid, you know, guys.
And then a lot of times end up being more
than that. But I think he is a very very
high floor player.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Similar to Will Campbell.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So I like that pick because it just seems to
complete the theme of the Bears offseason.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think they've come out with a purpose.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
They've done it in trades, They've done it in free agency.
You know, I think their head coach is partly running
the show here at least, you know, he has a
big contribution of how this is going to look. And
Will Campbell being the second offensive lineman off the board,
if he is there at ten, that makes a lot
of sense to me, possibly you know, sliding right in
at left tackle. My question for you is, do you
do you think you think he's the second offensive lineman
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on the board in this mock draft he is now
behind armand Membu, who's going number seven to the Jets.
Do you think that's like a conventional take now in
terms of teams, do you think he's more likely to
go second, or that's just a toss up.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think it's a we have. I literally think it's
unber onint and I would not be surprised if that
went either way. You've got Campbell who has you know, Look,
he started as a true freshman there, you know, all
the makeup, the intangibles, off the charts tested. I mean
he tested well. I mean it got kind of lost
because Membo put on such a show. But you know,
Will Campbell doesn't have the length that scares does scare
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some people, It's not even really the length that would
almost say. It's more of the wingspan, just kind of
narrow shoulders and now a real broad guy. And Mimbo
just you know, as big as he is, as strong
and athletic as he is. They're both young guys. You know,
I think you could see half the teams have it
one way, half the teams have it the other. I
do think they go off within a few picks of
each other.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
By the way, you're taping it, As you mentioned from
Big twelve prote can you tell the the announcer in
the battle?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, you got mad at me. Oh you didn't answer
my question. Well, I can't hear you, but I've got
I've got the PA guy going on nutso behind me.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I thought I was just hearing something crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But it just shows how what other shows are out
there on site giving you this material.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Ian Rappaport, he's on the ski slopes.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I have information right now, he's not even working and
we're out here grinding, especially you.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
By the way. By the way, kids kids size, kids
size skis. By the way, nobody knows that, but that's true, right.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's that it's that little side ski lift that's just
like a mini one. It's like you could have even
just walked up to the little kiddy hill that you go.
I'm with you there, Colson Lovelin, What a what a
pickup this would be for the Seattle Seahawks, who I
think need help on offense. You have him falling to eighteenth,
not falling that that's a good spot.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad you picked this one.
I'm glad you picked this one to talk about because
I know, like I've talked, we talked about it previously too,
like offensive line, interior, offensive lines and direction you would
think makes a ton of sense for them, but in
this in this case, I think and this is maybe
a disconnect between and inside the draft room and maybe
what the expectations are on the fan side of things,
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which is, yes, we we might have a higher need somewhere,
but you don't pass on what we would call blue player,
Like this is someone who I have as a top
seven player in the draft, and do we have anybody?
Is Noah Fan going to preclude me from taking a
top seven player in the draft? Not a chance. I'm
gonna give Sam Donald a bunch of easy, easy completions
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here with someone like Lovelin. So I think that's you know,
there's times where like, hey, we have a need, we
need to fill it. Obviously you hope to do that
in free agency, but you're still gonna have needs in
the draft. But the golden rule don't pass on great players.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, to me, he might be a safer pick than
Tyler Warren. You can just see what he does and
having to translate at the next level. And I also
just thought it would be important for them to get
like a tight end. He showed us in his last
year that he can really catch off target, throws and
that's going to be necessary when Sam Donald's your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh wow, I see see you had to just get
a Donald dig in there too. Man. By the way,
are you guys having Are you guys having a party
at the Rosenthal household whenever we get the new Geno deal.
I didn't know if he whether is going to pay
for that or not? Like do you does he pay
for balloons and cake that you guys can?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He does follow me on Twitter. We've never actually had
a personal interaction.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It might it might be his his social media guy
follows you on Twitter. Let's let's be honest here. Come on,
by the way, if you ever send a direct message,
because I have again, like different players people and you
know a lot of times athletes that they'll follow and
you follow him back, and uh, I think I'll be
on tell you what it was. He was Cooper Cup
and I'll next time I see him, I'll find out
(21:34):
if this is true or not. But my theory is
that when you send somebody, hey, congratulations on the new deal,
happy before you hope all as well, and you get
back prayer hands, I'm thinking that's not I don't think
that's Cooper. I think that's just I think that's his
guy that runs the social media. That's just acknowledging like, hey, yeah,
I didn't realize I followed you. But thanks, thanks for
the Thanks for the nice note.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I love the little behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And yeah, while we're while we're talking gin know, we
might as well talk to ask GenZ. You have him
going number six and we're still waiting to see that
Gino contract.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
This is one of those.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I'm asking you to fight through the noise back
there that there's a lot of buzz about. You know,
I only have so many sources, not as many as
the real insider Daniel Jeremiah, but this does seem one that,
like people think, could really happen. Is there any concern
if you're the Raiders that so many teams think that.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
No, I don't think that you're in danger of having
somebody leap frog you. I mean that's the you know,
teams are so paranoid about information getting out and their
whole thing. Oh somebody's gonna trade up in front of me.
That so rarely happens. You know, that you get connected
with the player and then a team will leap frog you.
To take them, and especially at the running back position
in a deep running back draft. And you know, Laurie
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and Hampton for me is not that far off. I
love Gentie, I love this as player, but Marion Hampton
really really good back. I can't imagine that if you're
like the Bear, you're going to trade picks to get
up ahead of the Raiders to get genty when if
you were dead set on taking a running back, you'd
have amar and Hampton waiting for you, or you could
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even you know, potentially wait till you know your second
round comes around and get one of the Ohio State
running backs. So I don't think there's danger with that
particular team being connected to that player.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And there's been some criticism for the Seahawks, you know,
trading dk Metcalf away from Darnold for instance, and not
picking up an offensive The Raiders don't have a Jackson
Smith and Jigba. The Raiders need some some weapons on
their team. They don't have the running backs.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Certain they got one, they got one, really really good one.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Gino Smith, rock Bowers look at you, wide receiver,
absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Rock Bowers is a wide receiver with a te next
to his name.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
That is absolutely fair. All right, we're going to take
a quick break.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
We're going to come back and we're going to go
through some of the picks that wasn't as sure about
as confident.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
These other ones you didn't hate. That's his nice compliment. Thanks,
I don't hate these picks, what ad chirk.
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Speaker 4 (24:33):
And yeah, they got Jalen.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Carter's picture up there, They got Travis Hunters. They should
have Daniel Jeremiah's picture up there. He's the one who
owns the draft, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Is that what you just said? Jalen Carter? So you guys,
he goes to Penn State now and he's in this
year's draft. The Eagles are gonna be very surprised by that.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I'm the draft guy. I'm just trying to catch.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
This, gracious, that's why it's called forties and free agents.
Free agents way way after the forties in terms of
importance on this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, so let's talk about some players that I didn't
think you did as good a job with. I'm gonna
call this section. What does DJ know about some of
these players?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Do you need me to pronounce them?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Greg?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Or?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
You think you got this one on there? You got
this one here?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay, I mean I've got Jalen Carter on the brain.
He was the most important player on the best defense
in the league. Let's talk Jackson Dart and there's a
number of players on this board that, Yeah, I don't
think he did a great job with here, DJ or
more than I have questions, but Jackson's Dart going twenty
one to the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Is this a guy that it's.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
More on the evaluation or more what you're hearing putting
him that early?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, I just I don't know who's playing quarterback for him.
And I asked myself a very simple question, do I
think Jackson Dart would beat out Mason Rudolph? And I
think he would sooner rather than later. And I also
with Jackson Dart, I've used this before, but he does
remind me of Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts, who wasn't a
finished product coming out, but when you watched him every
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year in college, he got better and better and better.
They're both strong, sturdy guys. You look at the way
they can move around. Obviously, jack Star doesn't move around
white like Hurtz does, but he rushed over fifteen hundred
yards in his three years in the SEC. He's athletic.
So all those things together, I thought, man, you could
find some similarities there. And you look at you know,
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Andy Widele's with the Pittsburgh Steelers, he was with the
Philadelphia Eagles. So I was just kind of putting a
couple of pieces together there. And more so than anything else,
it was like, is this guy better than what we
have on our roster at the moment? And the answer
was yes.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And yet it reminds me too much of the Kenny
Pickett Draft that there's maybe only so many first round
quarterbacks in that class that there were none in this class.
Maybe there's the big two if you want to put
Shitur Sanders there, and then it's forcing a pick up
with Jackson Dart. But we'll see it makes a little
bit of sense. They are on Aaron Rodgers watch, and
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yet I don't think that would prevent them from looking
for a quarterback of the former.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm going to see if I can get the PA
to turn the volume pubb litle. I don't know if
you're hearing that enough. So we are here at the
Big twelve Pro Day and linebackers are running for literally,
we're doing forties in free agents while they're running flutings
like you don't, I mean, where else you get back?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Come on you you are playing hurt today, You're you're
fighting through a double team. I appreciate it, AND's why
I feel bad for picking on any of these picks.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I'm not really. They actually made me wonder, like.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
What is d good questions? Good questions?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
DJ knows a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
What does he know about Ted McMillan here, who has
a little bit of a slower forty time this week
you've had him in your top twenty top in terms
of your evaluation, so you obviously like them as a player,
but you have them twenty two going to the Los
Angeles Chargers, and I gotta admit DJ, I checked on
the mel Kuiper mock draft, which also came out.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I don't know if I'm allowed to say mel Kiper's name.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
No. I love Melon absolutely and tech.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
He was kind of low on on his mock draft too.
So something's happening here. What's happening with Ted McMillan.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, a couple things. He ran his forty other day. Now,
don't this is a public service announcement. Don't believe the
times that you get from four he's at Pro Days
unless you get somebody who's talked to a scout who
was there, because the times were circularing. We're in the
four fours, and I talked to five or six different teams,
and I didn't get anything from that. I got anywhere
from the range of four or five three at the
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low end all the way up to one was at
four six three. But the most consistent ones and the
ones that got circulated to all the different teams was
the four or five three number, which is a good time.
It's a solid time for guy who's six foot four,
two hundred nineteen two hundred and twenty pounds. But historically, Greg,
I always try and remind people when you're doing mock
drafts and you're talking about ranges of where guys can go.
I'm not saying what type of player he's going to be,
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but the last time we had a receiver running the
four or five and going to the top fifteen, you
got to go back to Mike Evans in twenty fourteen.
So historically the league doesn't take wide receivers that lack,
you know, that top top speed. They historically don't go
in the top fifteen. And when you have Matthew Golden,
who's got really good tape at Texas RANA four two nine,
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we'll see what happens with the BUCA. He was a
tough one for me. I think once he runs, I
think he'll run faster than people expect. I didn't have
him in this last mock draft. I think he'll come
right back in once he shows everybody and verifies the
speed that he has. So it's different flavors with receivers.
I think it's I think it's possible. Maybe it's not
likely he gets all the way to twenty two, but
I think it's absolutely possible.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Now, I know you know you respect mel Kiper a lot,
but are you are you checking out his mock drafts
just to see or are you kind of Don Draper
and the Element.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, I think three him Mike, No, I love Mel
and ours came out the same morning, So you know,
you turn those in and then you just kind of see.
So I always see it like he's curious to see
if there's any new names that pop up in there,
you know, because a lot of times you know that's
coming from somewhere. It's not just you know what you're seeing.
He does it similarly to the way I do it
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of talking to people on mock drafts. You rank them
off your eyes. You you do mock drafts a little
bit more off your ears. So maybe there's somebody's catching
some buzz. Maybe I can uh, I do my own
homework on that. But yeah, I love Mel. I always
love checking out Mel stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Okay, I can't. I can't get you to take down
Mel that he's no ian.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I was in Mel's book. I used to work literally
while I was in college, I was working on the
draft with the Response. I got to go out to
dinner with Mel. I got to meet Mel Wows in
college and my senior year. He'd had no business putting
me in the book. He put me in his draft book.
As you know, I think Priorty free agent would be
with a kind way to say it, but I did.
I did make it to Mel's book that year.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh. I didn't even get you were in his book
as a player. I thought you were just setting them
out on the scouting upstate. I didn't know you played football.
That's cool. You should start a podcast tough.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
That is tough. That is tough.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I uh, I just wanted to throw a little bit
of news for our listeners. Cam Robinson signed with the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Now that's probably.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It is a one year deal, so I don't think
that would necessarily prevent them from taking a tackle. You
had him going Kelvin Banks, who plays the same position,
but again, I don't think that would prevent them from
taking a tackle. For a one year pickup for Cam Robinson.
But that was just interesting to me. I noticed Samar Stewart,
who blew up the combine, is number thirty two in
your mock draft. The Eagles taking another big, strong, fast guy.
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Just interesting that maybe he didn't get the bump that
I would have thought coming off that combine performance.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I mean, we had some people.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'm not gonna name names, asking could this guy go
number one overall. After the combine, you have a bat
at thirty two.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, I don't think that we know where he could go.
He's one with a very broad range. I will just
say I was in the combine up in the booth
next to rich Eisen when Nolan Smith ran what in
the high four threes, low four fours or whatever. He
ran out of Georgia. But someone who didn't have a
ton of sack production, And what happened to Nolan Smith?
He fell into the lap of the Philadelphia Eagles. History
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has a way of repeating itself, Craig, So that was
kind of my thought process there. The production isn't there.
The disruption is he's very disruptive. You can see on
the clips that we're watching as we're talking here. I
mean he's got big time, big time speed that you
see when he's working out. It also does translate to
the football field. He just hasn't you know, he hasn't
been able to rack up the sac production, hasn't been
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a great finisher. Something that I think is, I think
there's more out there form. I think he's going to
get better in that department. But if you told me
that he was the ninth pick, tenth pick, or he
was a thirty second pick. It's kind of one of
those drafts where he's one of those guys with a
very wide range.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, so DJ's not standing like on on its two feet.
He has this big mock draft that comes out right
before the draft. I think he'll have the best information there.
So I like hearing that on Stewart Matthew Golden number
twelve overall, I just thought was a little wild in
this scenario. There's no Accngendy on the board for the Cowboys.
But man, his forty maybe helped him out. What's the
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thinking there? That was one where I was like, Wow,
does DJ know something that gold would go that high
first receiver off the board.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, he's my first receiver. So that's how I have
him stacked. His tape is really good. This is someone
if you think about Texas, he transfers from Houston, goes
to the University of Texas, and in one year establishes
himself as as the guy that your quarterback and Quinn
Ewers and your play caller and Steve Sarkisian trusts more
than anyone. Why do I say that, because when you're
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in a playoff game against Arizona State and it's fourth
down and your season is on the line. That's where
the ball went, and he saved their season. You see
one handed catches when you watch him, he's really really strong.
I go back to the less sneed line that when
I talked about receivers many many years ago, maybe not
maybe three years ago, and they've had such a good
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job of hitting on whiteouts. I asked him one of
the things that they focused on. He talked about guys
that are grounded through the catch, Guys that run through
the ball. They trust their hands, they don't gather, they
don't leave their feet, they run right through the ball
with their cleats in the ground. And Golden does that
really really well. And then on top of that, a
little sprinkle on top of the Sunday he ran four.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Two nine right, And the Cowboys have a massive need
there in terms of their second respect.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, you get him over the top and with
that speed and the ability to make things happen, and
you free up a little space for seedy lamb that
I'd be a fun pick.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
No, I got admit, I don't. I don't hate that one.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
That was one I just wanted to know a little
more what's going in behind this week. As you said
with Mel, you know he DJ's here and all this stuff.
More to come on forties in free agents.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Back in a minute. We're back on.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Let's let's look at some of the new names. Just
kind of go over who was added from the last version.
New additions from the last mock draft. Uh Donovan Azerako,
I mentioned Jackson Dart Maxwell Harston is new. He's at
twenty three to the Packers.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Uh. Nick and Worry from the you know, South Carolina
is at twenty four to the Viking team.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Trey Amos was added Mississippi cornerback Derek Harmon, the defensive
tackle from Oregon and then the cornerback as Aarya Thomas
from Florida State at twenty nine. Hairston is a guy
would be very interesting for Green Bay. We don't know
what the future is for Jayah Alexander. Do you think
he fits kind of what they do as a team.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Can you go back to Thomas's first name? He pronounced
that one more time for me. Greg.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I didn't realize. I don't know why I felt like
I needed to say every name there. I didn't need
to I.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Saw your showing off at some point in time. I
was like, oh, yeah, Greg, I just heard this name,
you know, twenty minutes ago. Let me really try and
practice the pronunciation. I mean pretty suppressed.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That was worse.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I don't know why I kept you better the first time,
so I didn't think you had any chance of repeating
that success, you know what I mean. That's why, that's
why I wanted to get that on the record. What
was your question again one more time?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It was about Hairston.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And also I actually was a little surprise Starks and
emin Warre. You still have Malachi Starks so far ahead
despite him blowing up the combine.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And it worked worked out. Yeah. Well, let's first of all,
on Harston and the Harriston ran really well. Harriston in
twenty three, fully healthy, played a whole season, had five interceptions,
made tons of plays on the ball, tested extremely well. Obviously,
he's a freak in terms of the exclusiveness. You know,
wish she was a little thicker, but he's he's someone
that can find and play the ball. He's got big
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time speed and he's willing. Some of his tackling wasn't
as good this year because of the shoulder injury, but
you go back to twenty three, you felt more comfortable
with it. Had a good senior bawl. So he's had
a good a good process. So that's why I had
him going to the Packers and a team with jy
O Xanders. I think we'd say his days are not
long there. So that's what that's what made sense to me.
And then in terms of the two safeties, Malachi Starks,
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I'm telling you, I have not heard one person that
interviewed him or talked to him at the comp line
from all that didn't love him like not like him,
like just loved him in terms of the intelligence, the
ability to communicate what he sees going through his tape,
the leadership that the background information they've got coming out
of the school. So he's a He's a real fluid,
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smooth athlete who can play as the free safety. He
can cover in the slot. We're gonna be a little
bit better in coverage in the slot. Even Warry is
a big, hulking dude, He's not gonna be quite as nimble,
uh to redirect like that. And and even Warry worked
out great. He makes a ton of plays on the ball,
kind of buzzing underneath things kind of as a floater
and it's going to be an excellent butzer and he's
a he's a phenomenal player. But I just think with
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Malachi Starks as someone that that teams, coaches, personnel, guys
that have met with him, there's there's there's a lot
of love for him out there.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, Starks to the Dolphins. I should have mentioned at thirteen.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, Holland Goney.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's that's a fun fit.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But man em and worry to the Vikings just as
a I want to see that with Brian Flores and
you know, you cut him.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Loose and let him blitz. He might have eight ten
sacks next year if they if he went there.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
You're making fun of me for the pronunciation, and you should,
but I take this seriously.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I'm going to self scout.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm going to improve from this week to the next
because I hate it when people are making jokes about
not getting the pronunciation right. Like John McEnroe has no
idea of these guys names who are like in the
top thirty.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
It's your job learn the names, do better.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I'm saying, wait, wait, wait, wait to criticize. You know
one of the legends of the game mc androe, like,
we're going to go after McEnroe at this point, you
want to next.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Bodcasts ahead, know, anyone outside the top five. He gets
clearly bored by it. As Iroku, I was ready for
that name. I just love that I could see him
as a Tampa Bay buccaneer. He was not in your
mock draft at all, and now he's all the way
up to nineteen. It's what they need, a guy who
can bend the edge. Maybe not you know, as big
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a player, but some real pass rush skills.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
He fits to me what Tampa Bay wants to do.
Why why did he jump so much? Is it just
about the team fit?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, he's he's in He's in that range on my
top fifty list, so kind of where I have him stacked.
And I also he's another one who just he knows
how to play, he knows how to rush. He's got
tons of production, he's got long arms which I love
coming off the edge, and had a really solid week
at the Senior Bowl. Coaches that were around him there
at the Senior Bowl, he really really enjoyed being around him.
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And I know, you know, just Jason light in his
background in his history and talking to him over the years,
I know he values production. So it's not only just
kind of the traits that you have, the long arms,
and he loves the fact of, you know, historically guys
that know how to finish and can win and get
the job done and finished with sacks and that's what
he does.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah, just a couple of players.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
We haven't mentioned that there were players that were on
your last mock draft that are no longer with us,
at least in this show.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
You say it like that goodness stream still alive, Greg.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, don't you feel bad?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know, q up Bone Thugs and Harmony Crossroads here,
Walter Nolan Nolan, he was twelfth on your last mock
he's no longer there. Tyler Booker, the guard from Alabama,
he was at thirteen, he's no longer on it.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And then some guys that were towards the.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
End of the draft like Amika Buca, who you had
at twenty five before Treveon Henderson was at twenty four,
Darius Alexander.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Does that any of these names stand out to you?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, let me give you some information. Let me give
you some information. So this is literally as we're doing
this in the stadium in San Frisco with the big
twelve combine. That's again that's the voice you're hearing in
the background as they're finishing up their workout. But Alabama
had their Pro Day today. Booker did not have a
good combine, like actually really poor combine in terms of
the testing. His ten time at the combine was I
(40:54):
believe was a one to nine six for his ten
time and then he was one eight seven I believe today.
So that's from from guys who are there at the
pro day, so much better for him. Uh definitely helped
himself with that performance. Yeah, his tens were his two runs.
So I think Booker get he'll get back in, He'll
(41:17):
get back into the latter third. I would say of
the first round. Walter Nolan. Again, there's some of those guys,
Shamar Stewart, Walter Nolan. There's pinions all over the map
on these guys.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
So again it's it's that type of a draft greg
where you you can see boards stacked so differently, more
so than any other year normally. There's kind of a
these are the top fifteen picks. I don't know how
they're gonna come off, but these fifteen players are likely
to go in the first fifteen spots this year.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
There's nothing that makes it more fun.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
It also makes it great for people like me who
like the mock drafters to just go up and flames
little shouting.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I think it's anybody, have they ever? Not like you
get celebrated on a mock draft if you get if
you got like ten guys out of thirty two, that's
a heck of a mock draft.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
That's fair. Yeah, and you you had like last time. Mean,
this is how free agency affects things a lot. You
had Trevion Henderson going to the Vikings. Now they get
Aaron Jones, they trade for Jordan Mason.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
It is clear at Travion Henderson, that's.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How Yeah, it was a great player, but that fit
is absolutely out. And then you're looking at teams the
back end of the first round, not as many. I
think that would take a running back. Let's look at
the biggest risers. This is our last graphic if you
are well.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
First of all, First of all, yeah, do you find
it funny that I think we're signed up to do
ten shows?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And it's the two guys right, and we're going to
at forties and free agents like the draft and freezency.
We're going to do two of the ten shows on
free agency in eight on the draft. I mean, I
don't know, I don't know what that says.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
But we're talking about the marriage of the two. I
just brought up some Coldstone awesome in no and it
was an It was nice if you know.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
It was nice, you know, as we're three quarters the
way through the show for you to contribute. I appreciate it.
That was a good nugget. I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Camp Robinson was another thing. He was a guy who
I think I might have rated too high. You know,
I listened to you, you say, push those offensive linemen
around earlier. I kind of did that in my top
one hundred, and Cam Robinson was in my top thirty.
NFL teams did not agree with me, I don't think.
But he did get twelve thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
It's going to be a starting he's going to be
starting left tackle. It's going to get a decent money.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
That makes me feel better.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Amari Cooper is just out there and he's just laughing
at me. Let's look finally at the biggest risers from
their previous version, Jihad Campbell all the way up to
number nine. From twenty nine, Malachi Starks we mentioned went
from thirty two to thirteen, Matthew Golden up to twelve,
Genti from twenty one up to six, and then as
a rocker with a lot of the guys we mentioned
(43:49):
up all the way to nineteen. Campbell to the Saints
is really interesting to me. Here's my question about the
Saints that maybe you're not in position to answer.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I know if you are or not. Who do you
think really as the juice there in the building.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Like, on one hand, I want to think, Okay, Kellen Moore,
new offense, we're going to have a new approach, new
defensive coordinator, Brandon Staley, all this stuff. But then I
look at what they're doing this offseason and it's just like, oh, yeah,
these are the same old Saints. Mickey Loomis is a
very important person in that building. So when you're pick
making these picks, for instance, Jihad Campbell, like, are you
(44:27):
thinking about what the old Saints would do or the
new Saints? I want to know who has the juice
in that building. That's just a bigger question than I have.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well, I mean, ultimately, Mickey does. But I do think
that as a first you know, first time, first year
new head coach for the Saints, I would think they're
not going to do anything that Kellen Moore doesn't want
to do. So I think a lot of times people
ask that question, like who has the power? I'll say, well,
I've never worked for a team where we took a
player in the first round that our coaches didn't like.
(44:56):
You know, so even if we might have higher grades
on the personnel, there's enough guys to pick from. We
can find somebody that we both like. So I think
that is a little bit more of a collaboration. Now.
The interesting thing on Jihad Campbell turn that thing in.
You know, a few days ago, mock draft comes out.
Alabama has their pro day today. He announces it the
pro day that he just had labor labor surgery, I
believe right after the combine. So he's gonna be down
(45:19):
for a little bit. I don't think that will impact,
you know, how high he goes. He should have a
chance to be fully recovered. But uh, you know, it's
the medical part of this thing. Is is something we
won't know, so that uh you know, that's a that's
something to keep an eye on with him.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, that would be an interesting pick for that. I
guess they have needs everywhere in theory because they don't
have a lot of young core players and so.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Getting young and fast. They need to get young and
fast and athletic, and I think Johid Campbell gives them
that and someone who can do a lot.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Of different things. I want.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I want some offensive linemen, I want some weapons. I
want some offensive players. I want to I want a quarterback.
And I look at my linebacker position and you know,
they just renegotiated to Mario Davis again. They renegotiated Pete
Warner again. And those are two good players to me.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
This dude can rush off the edge. You could literally
line him up as an outside linebacker. He might get
you twelve sacks next year. So really, that's kind of
the unique part about Campbell. Well, he can. He was
recruited he was an edge rusher and high school. Was
recruited there as an edge rusher. But what do you
do when you show up to campus and you've got
two first round picks as your edge rushers at Alabama,
They're not gonna you know, he wasn't gonna get on
(46:28):
the field, so they moved him off the ball. And
then this last year he got a chance to rush
a little bit more, but he was there with Dallas
Turner and Will Anderson, so that's why he ended up
moving off the ball.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Okay, since we're getting into this year and I know
it's a little more draft than free agency, doesn't he profile?
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Didn't he look like an off ball.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Linebacker, like comparing him to Jalen Walker for instance, who
played at multiple positions, and I think you see, you
can kind of see man, that guy could be Mike,
Michael Parks whatever. He's going to be an explosive edge
type of guy. Wasn't Campbell just such? It's a good
off ball linebacker that that's where most of the league
will see him.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
He's taller than uh, taller than Jalen Walker. He's I
believe longer than Jalen Walker. And he can really rush
like he knows how to rush. So yeah, no, he
would fit right in. You throw him outside and let
him rush, he will not look out of place at all.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
We haven't gotten a chance of talk.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And you mentioned Cooper cup is just slide into your
DMS or his social media manager is what did you
think of that move? By the way, I'm just throwing
this at you at the last second.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, well, I talked about it. I talked about it
last week. I liked it. I thought they would sign
Garrett Bradbury as well, which they didn't end up going
to New England, but they did end up getting the
Cooper cup don And I want to say that I
asked you what you thought the number would be. You
weren't right. I said it would be fifteen, and it
ended up being exactly fifteen. But neither neither here nor there.
I do like the fact of putting smart sure handed
(47:56):
receiver with JSN, who's a smart, sure handed receiver. I
think you're going to be able to do a lot
of different things, be able to read things on the go.
People wonder that sometimes about that, like well, what who
cares if you're smart, just just run your route catch
the ball.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
You know. Look, you get guys that can really sighted
just and can see things the same way as a quarterback.
It does give you some some more opportunity there. You've
got two guys who have done a tonnel work in
the slot. With him and JSN, I think they'll I
think they'll be able to move them around, you know,
get get at least one of them, obviously in more
than one of them are not in Canada, but we
get one of those guys on the move to kind
of free them up. Now, I like that fit in
(48:32):
the middle. They need to get somebody now on the outside,
preferably somebody with some real speed. I think they signed
MVS right that they signed signed Valdez Scantling. Yeah, so
that's theoretically, that's that's the compliment you need for those
two players. You need somebody that can get over the top,
outside and out. And I had them taking you know, Loveland.
So now you know, if somehow that were to work
out that way, I mean, you completely overhauled your your
(48:54):
pass catchers if that's if that's what ends up happening.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yes, we we talked about that as a possibility.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I'm doing too many shows these days, but we didn't
We didn't know for sure. You just knew because you
knew more than the insiders.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
No.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Meanwhile, Ian Rappaport is out there on the ski slopes
and DJ is breaking it down carrying us. We appreciate
everyone tuning in. We will be back next week on
forties and free agents. I will try to carry more
of my load here, of the share.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Let's let's do it, DJA.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
How about just someplow, just just a little bit, just.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
A little effort that I was setting you up and
you were spiking them down there.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
You go, well per half, right,
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