February 7, 2023 • 33 mins
Michael Adam Windecker II, or Mickey, returns to Denver after fighting ISIS in the Middle East. Mickey claims he trained real antifa warriors, that he represents the Kurdish government, and that he has diplomatic immunity. He puts himself right in the middle of the Denver protests. Activist Zebb Hall is enthralled with Mickey’s message — that the fight against racism needs to escalate. “If that's what you want,” Mickey tells Zebb, “I can make it happen.”
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I didn't know much about him, but he drove a hearse,
and inside his hearse was like a lot of guns,
you know, like a R fifteen and all other kind
of shit. I never held one of those before in
my life, and I held it and I was like,
oh shit, And I'm pro gun and everything, but I
never held anything like that. Yeah, it was just this
badass dude, you know, talking about he worked in the
foreign military, he was for the Black Lives Matter movement,
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and you know, it just seemed interesting, you know. In
August twenty twenty, with millions of Americans protesting across the country,
activist zeb Hal invites a guy he's met at one
of the demonstrations to his apartment in Denver to talk
about plans for the future. The way I look at
is like shit has to happen. The has to happen.
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It's like you said, I mean, how extreme do you expected?
Would you want it to go? If you were to
tell that to your people, how would you say, say,
I come one of your people, right, how would you
say it? I'm Funnels? Yeah I robbed Funnels. I went
to the Curtis Room kill license. So there's nothing you
can tell me what shocked me. This guy had shown
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up on the scene in Denver driving a silver hearse
filled with weapons. He claims to have been a soldier
for the French Foreign Legion and the Peshmerga, the Kurdish
military force in Iraq. He even says he's killed isis
terrorist on the battlefield. Zeb Haul has been involved in
the demonstrations for a couple of months. At this point,
He's seen peaceful protesters attacked by police. He suffered a
head injury. He's growing more and more concerned about black
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people being attacked and killed by cops, and he thinks
that he and others need to learn to defend themselves.
So zeb sitting in his living room with this guy,
asks him, can you teach me how to fight? But
the thing is this my type of training that I
do is anything from mine. I can teach you how
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to shoot a gun to you know, yeah, and in
combat all the ways like blowing up fucking buildings and
grolla warfare, tactics and sabotage. Do you want to learn
how to just shoot a gun, pool, throw somebody around
a kick cool? Or do you want to go that
way all the way uptown? Yeah? Do you want to
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learn to shoot a gun and throw someone around, or
do you want to go all the way uptown? Zep
says he wants to go all the way uptown, appearing
to mean quote like blowing up fucking buildings and guerrilla
warfare tactics and sabotage. We need to know every bit
of defense possible. So here's a question. And so when
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I was in Syrian let me explain. The best way
I did it was when I was a Syrian in Iraq.
We had a lot of antique for guys that came
over there, and I was one of the instructors of
the Red STARB game. Really wants to talk them the
gerrilla warfare attactives we taught them. I ees all this
crazy shit. I had no problem with giving you that
type of training, but I have to make sure that
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that's what you want to do. That you want to
learn the crime Dela Crime Special So that's what you
want to do, then you know that's what I want
to do. Zep says, Okay, So switch on, I can
make it happen. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and
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i Heeart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys, Episode two, all
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the way uptown. So who is this guy? This real
deal ANTIFA militant, the guy with the silver her weapons,
Who's going to take things in Denver to the next level.
I spent a lot of time reporting this out, pulling
court records and police reports, files from the prison system,
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talking to people who knew him in the United States,
in the Middle East, and chasing down every lead I
could find. I discovered that his full name is Michael
Adam Windecker, the Second, so he goes by Mickey. Born
in Colorado, He's in his late forties, stands five foot seven,
has a ruddy complexion and a stocky frame. In photos
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when he was younger, Mickey was slender and toned. In
his middle age, he's developed a paunch, but he's still strong,
with big biceps and wide knuckles that would have little
difficulty knocking out a few of your teeth. Mickey has
got a history in foreign militaries and in the US
criminal justice system, arrest in Colorado, Nevada, Texas, and Florida.
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His offenses include firearms charges, menacing with a weapon, and
sexual assault. In Mickey's telling of Mickey's story, he's the
well off son of an emotionally negligent mother and a
committed father who was a savvy businessman. So my mom
and my mom's side of the family were kind of
like reptiles, like once you had, you pretty much out
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of the nest, as I could love to take care
of go yourself. I really didn't have a lot of
communication or a lot of history with my mom, so
we didn't bond very well. Mickey wouldn't sit down for
an interview with me, but in investigating him, I found
hours of recordings of him. Some are or have been
on social media, like this video. My dad owned two businesses.
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He actually owned a cab company locally here in Colorado,
and he actually owned a carnival and a couple other businesses,
So we had a shitload of money. My dad was
my superhero because it wasn't perfect, but he did teot
me a lot of life skill shit. As I was
growing up as a young man, Mickey wanted an adventure
and so at nineteen years old, he tells of going
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to France to join the Foreign Legion, the world famous
French military unit that accepts feign volunteers. This would have
been around nineteen ninety four, and I went to place
called the Citydale. They took me through selection. They took
me to Paris, to Fort den Gents, through some more
selections than it took me to a bomb near Marseilles
to do my getting into the Foreign Legion, and so
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I lost our shortis I'm waiting, you know, you have
to go out there on the flight deck, a Middle
Eastern guy who was also trying to volunteer in the
French Foreign Legion started to harass and disrespect Mickey. Well,
at the time, I was nineteen years old, and I
didn't take kind of may to being disrespected. So I
beat the ship out of the guy, and a couple
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of corporal chefs and a corporal came up there and
they grabbed me, and there were like, fuck, we can't
have that here, can't be attacking people. So they got
me a train ticket, they paid me while I was there.
They started me to train, went back to Paris and
they and after that I came back to the United States.
After Mickey returned to the United States, he worked a
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variety of odd jobs, took some community college courses, and
traveled around and in his telling, he was something of
a citizen warrior out there looking to help the good guys.
In two thousand and five, he was in Hollywood, Florida,
just north of Miami, when he saw a crime in progress.
A couple of bad guys had just robbed a pawn shop.
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I pull up and I'm stopping at a light, and
I see these guys running out with the gun and
they got a bunch of shit in their hands, and
there were a lot of people around the area. So
I jumped on my vehicle and I tackled the guy
with a gun and took him to the ground, and
the culture like right there, they grabbed and chew and
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they cupped him up. This is one part of Mickey's story.
I was able to verify it happened pretty much exactly
as he described it. I found an article about it
in the South Florida Sun Sentinel. The quotes a local
police spokesman thanking Mickey for his assistance. About seven years
after that incident, Mickey was back in the Denver area,
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so it was the premiere of Batman. That's when in
twenty twelve, a gunman walked into a movie theater in Aurora,
just outside Denver an open fire using a semi automatic rifle.
Twelve people were killed and seventy were injured. The mass
shooting made international news. The violence on the screen erupted
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in the theater. At first, witnesses thought the gunman was
part of the show. He entered the debut of the
Batman film, Dark Knight Rises looking like the villain the Joker,
with a gas mask, head to toe armor and an
eerie calm. And it seems Mickey was there. And actually
I was going to the movie theater, but I was
running a little bit behind, and I showed up as
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the last couple of shots were ringing out, and I
proceeded to help people out of the theater and helped
them get him too, ambulances and stuff like that. Mickey
lived near the movie theater at the time. Several people
told me Mickey had shown them pictures and video of
him at the theater that evening. A week after the shooting,
he also posted on Facebook about his experience, describing how
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he assisted the injured. So, yeah, he appears to have
been there. Mickey has never had much of a political
identity as far as I can tell. If he has
any sort of politics, it's the politics of grievance. Everybody sucks,
everybody's out to get him a brand of political nihilism almost. So. Look,
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the thing I look at him like this is, I
don't I come from the seventies. Okay, I'm almost about
to fifth. Okay. The thing I look at like this
is I have an old biker saying which is called
fuck the three piece the politicians, the press, and the police.
It's just the way it is. Okay. Press has never
fucking helped me, an' fucking politics sharing me, and definitely
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the police because they don't help me. A few years
after the movie theater shooting, with the rise of the
Islamic State or ISIS in Iraq and Syria, Mickey decides
to join the fight. The all American tough guy heads
to the Middle East. Mickey says he flew to a
rock to volunteer as a foreign fighter with the Peshmerga,
the Kurdish military force. According to my reporting, he also
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around this time started claiming Kurdish descent and Iraq Mickey
says the Kurds saved him from an otherwise aimless and
meaningless life. Yeah, which been the type of person when
I grew up, I was the smallest kid in school.
I always got picked up by bullies, So I kind
of learned I had to stand up for myself. And
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I liked the Kurds because in fact was that they
were out man, outgun, out train, outsupply and all this,
and they were the underdog and they were kicking ass,
you know, and they were actually that come to learn
later on, really good people, you know, and that was
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something I could get with, you know. So to me,
I guess the best way can say it is like
I was given a second chance in life. Mickey, in
his telling, was a decorated fighter for the Peshmerga, and
he says he trained dozens of American ANTIFA activists in
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the Middle East in hand to hand combat weapons and explosives.
In a video I have of Mickey, he pulls out
his phone and shows a photo to the camera. Here
I am with I captured flag when I was in battle.
Mickey was such an effective fighter, he claimed that Isis
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issued a bounty on his head and some of his
friends routed him out to the bad guys. I've had
people that I thought were my friends in Colorado lead
my information to terrorist groups, real risk groups. They leaked
it to nash That's what we call the Islamic state
they leaked it to other groups. What type of car
I drove one type of motorcycle. I road where I
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hung out all the ship and literally leaked my information
out there, tried to get a what we call patua,
which is known as a death note or a death
ransoup on me and Mickey's telling. If there are any
Isis fighters with the courage to try to take them
out and collect that bounty, then well come get some.
So yeah, the death the death ship was out there
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a lot, doesn't bother me none. They put it away.
I'm very well armed. I'm not gonna say how, but
I'm very well armed. So if and I am very
well trained, don't confuse my looks in my little bit
of chugginess that I'm not prepared for any type of situation,
because I have been. It's not brag. I am very
well trained and ray bullshit. By twenty seventeen, with a
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price on his head, Mickey had returned to Denver and
began to tell everyone he met that he was a
representative of the Kurdish government. Mickey even claimed to have
diplomatic community from his work with the Kurds, whom he
credited with turning his life around. If you've ever seen
a movie when somebody's life is a complete shit show
where it's fu and they go when they do something
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in their life changes and they become a new person.
Something happens to them and also they're a totally different person.
That's kind of like what happened with me with the Kurds.
And now Mickey was back in the United States, inspired
and with a new mission, a mission he was going
to put into action in Denver more after the break
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after George Floyd's murder in twenty twenty, Mickey started to
attend the protests. He offered weapons training to anyone who
expressed an interest, and by describing how he fought ISIS
terrorists and had diplomatic community, he appeared on first impressions
to be an important and legitimate guy, someone many of
the racial justice activists thought they could trust, but not everyone.
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He's like dressed often in like fatigues or you know,
more black blocked style, seemed to fly a marine flag,
it seems like, but he didn't seem like he was
demand that he claimed to be. This is Brian Loma.
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Brian is widely known in the Denver activist community for
live streaming videos of the racial justice protests. I do
seem to remember that he was armed, which you know,
kind of gave him a sense of having some credibility. Right.
He came off as like maybe being a rook but
like really being like into the movement. And now that
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I say that out loud, that just kind of throws
a red flag up in itself. Brian was live streaming
on July twenty twenty during a rally for Elijah McClean,
the young black man had been killed in Colorado the
year before George Floyd was murdered in Minnesota. Some hold
up signs reading the People United will end racist police terror.
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I've been living in a war since nineteen eighty one.
This is one of the speakers at the event. And
even back then, I remember when you couldn't be black
and be walking up and down Sable or al Alida
without the funky ass racist fucking police pulling you over
and harassing you. The rhetoric at these rallies would get
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pretty heated, like that guy's foul language, The system is racist,
Fuck the police, that kind of stuff. Mickey is at
this demonstration, and this is right around the time that
he first meets zeb Hall. After this rally, the demonstrators
marched through the city. Ran Loma is life streaming the
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whole thing. The demonstrators, numbering in the hundreds, then pour
on the Interstate two twenty five, a major highway that
creates a partial perimeter road around Denver. They block all
the traffic on both sides of the interstate and then
start confronting the drivers they had trapped. Some smile and
laugh and voice support for the demonstrators. Other drivers aren't
as amused, like one Brian Loma confronts, Yeah, are you
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doing today? Say? Are you okay? There's people in front
of you? Would you not drive in front of you?
But this demonstration quickly spirals out of control. On the
other side of the interstate from where Brian Loma is filming,
a blue jeep wrangler speeds through the protesters, nearly hitting
several Another demonstrator films the incident. As it happens. You
can hear gunshots ring out. One of the demonstrators appears
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to have fired on the jeep as it speeds through
the crowd. The scene then becomes chaotic. The hundreds of
demonstrators then leave the interstate and congregate in the surrounding
city streets, choking them off the traffic. At one point,
the crowd stops, and a black man with a bullhorn
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in his hand and an assault rifle slung over his
shoulder addresses the protesters. This is scary work. This is
what it looks like to organize. I guess the racism
in the most racist toutry in the world. As the
hundreds of people advance up the street, Brian Loma turns
his camera to the front of the parade of demonstrators.
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Right up front, as if clearing the way for the protesters,
is a slowly moving silver hearse it's Mickey up front
and in charge of the protest. Zeb is there as well.
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About a half hour later, Zeb walks up to Brian
Loma and his camera. Zeb's wearing a white construction style
hard hat and he has a respirator mask hanging around
his neck. He's angry that the jeep drove dangerously through
the crowd, and Zeb suggests that the jep's driver should
have been stopped earlier in at gunpoint. There should have
been people in the back with rifles to make sure
that God damn card and get up there it's all.
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At this point, then Zeb says something else. I believe
it is necessary to Armed resistance is necessary. That's where
Zeb's mind appears to be when he and Mickey first
start talking about guns and training. Armed resistance is necessary.
So in August twenty twenty, Zeb invites Mickey to his apartment.
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He wants to talk about the future, how to inspire
more people to participate in the demonstrations, how to get
people stirred up, and how to prepare them for possible
conflicts with police officers outfitted like stormtroopers. Zeb explains to
Mickey that he believes the racial justice protests need to
show people that the American economic system is fundamentally unfair
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to black people and other minorities, and in Zeb's view,
the pandemic has made the inequities worse. The whole nation
is a powder keg ready to explode. Denver's brutally cold
winter is a few months away. People will spend the
months indoors, quarantined by the pandemic and the freezing temperatures,
and by the time spring arrives, Zeb predicts that violence
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will break out all over. That's going to be the
turning point. This cold is Dark's claiming that there will
be suicide. Well, when it spring comes, they are angry.
It's getting hot. People up when it's hot. So the
spring comes, get happen, and that's where you would step
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into make ship off all. Mickey encourages Zeb's violence by then,
he says, you'd make shit pop off then, right, But
Zeb is weirdly all over the place talking about violence, yeah,
but unclear on his timeline, and seeming to talk in
a way that suggests he wants others to do the violence.
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People are already age chained, they're working to repress a
lot of them are going to be evicted, and over
the sports of time, we just piss them off more
and more and more. And as soon as summer comes
a spring, there's first few hot weeks, there's gonna be
so much fear and anger because look at these distractions.
Aren't composedly going to come back on sports and concerts
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and everything. They're not going to be back, right. That's
why we have to get them while we're to steal
them into awake right. Zeb explains to Mickey that he
thinks violence is the answer. The only way the system
will change is through force, but he believes that he
can inspire that violence through speeches and propaganda at public events.
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I think this propaganda change change. You know, be hearing
these speeches will actually have other speeders, but not even
just people are good at speaking. Someone like you. Just
tell the truth. You know what's going on, and over
is pre six to eight months, build a fury anger
and if it happens here and little fucking didn't, it'll
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go a place because over that six to eight months
people will be angry or Mickey then pushes Zeb for
more specifics. How are things going to get violent? I
see your point of view, village down and kill the rich.
I understand that I kill your point of view. It's just,
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you know, I don't know how you do. Zeb doesn't
have much of an answer. He talks about propaganda and
speeches and inspiring people to get so angry they'll turn
to violence. Then Zeb tells Mickey, I need your help
in doing this so obso, I need your help doing
this stuff, he says, and I also need to learn
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how to fight. Mickey then explains that he's the exact
man for that job. He says again he's trained Antifa
fighters in Iraq and Syria. Hand, hand combat weapons, explosives,
guerrilla warfare. Zeb then tells Mickey that he also wants
to learn how to mentally manipulate people, and that's when
Mickey drifts into absurdity, and Zeb, so enamored with Mickey,
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doesn't even notice my manipulation. My manipulation is that's something
you can't look school forward. You have to learn it.
And it's like a Jedi mind skill. It's like a
Jedi mind skill. That's what Mickey says, These aren't the
droids you're looking for, and then Mickey goes all obi
wan Kenobi on his young padawan. You have to basically
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take the subject and make them agree with you. The
Jeds do in a way that makes them feel comfortable,
and you want it to be a smooth transition. You
don't want to be rough because of it's rough, it
breaks down in the fields, so you just want to
burger them into it. So Mickey not only fought ISIS
fighters and train violent Antifa activists, he also performed Jedi
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mind tricks. I was actually really good at it when
I was in a personal military I didn't do it
towards the court and towards terrorist members. I was terrogating
the shit of that, but that you can be shown
how to do. You just have to It's you have
to train yourself to do, you know what I mean.
Mickey then suggested Zeb that he could introduce him to
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his guy, an outlaw biker and former Special Forces fighter.
Let me explain him. He's an old, fuck around type
of guy. He does not play fucking games. But if
you're wanting to learn how to blow shit up, drop
people and build the fucking numbers and do all that
shit that you want to do, he's the guy you
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want to go to. I mean, I could teach you
all that shit. Absolutely, I got a teaching it too,
but that would be he would be your guy. Mickey
says this guy is overseas and he can't train that
right away, but Zeb says he doesn't want to wait
and would prefer for Mickey to train him. Mickey, though,
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says there's one issue with training Zeb, and it has
to do with a supposed position as a Kurdish diplomat.
The thing you understand is is like, which Okay, let's
say this of Fish is a Kurdish I have weapons,
but those weapons I can't use because it trains back
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to the kur Holistic ship, so I can't use that ship.
I need to be able to get so weapons that
are not mine, you know what I mean. I can't
buy there somepself. If Zeb wants weapons training, Mickey tells
him Zeb needs to buy him a gun. And I'm
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making no endorsement of the tortured logic here, but this
is basically what Mickey is saying. He has guns, yeah,
but they're registered to him as a Kurdish diplomat and
so he can't use them to train Zeb. And he's
also a convicted felon, which he means he can't buy
a gun legally in the United States even though he
has guns, so Zeb would need to buy him a gun.
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Zeb doesn't commit to anything buying, guns, training, none of it.
At the end of his meeting with Mickey, he returns
to where he was at the beginning of the meeting,
talking about giving speeches. I need help. I need help
doing my speeches. Zeb says, Okay, I'm not very good
with speech parts, pulling triggers and blowing shit up. I'm good.
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Mickey says he isn't there to give speeches. He's in
the pulling triggers and blowing shit up. That's what he says.
And soon zeb learns that Mickey has made other friends
among Denver's racial justice activists, and they appear to be
more enthusiastic about to borrow Mickey's words, pulling triggers and
blowing shit up. He was just hanging out and it
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seemed to be kind of by himself. This is Brett Smith.
Brett is a military veteran and a member of the
Young Democratic Socialists of America or why DSA. And so
one of my colleagues that were there with when engaged
him and stuff. They'd heard about him, they'd seen him around.
He's describing seeing Mickey at the demonstrations in Denver for
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the first time. And so that's when they made kind
of initial contact with him, like kind of on our behalf.
And so yeah, they started hanging out and what have
you at kind of ur or I don't know, you
could say base camp. It's a friends apartment and what
have you. I mean, that's that's kind of just how
it started out. So the y DSA is the youth
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branch of the Democratic Socialists of America, the largest socialist
organization in the United States. Day isn't a political party,
but instead a member organization. Here's one of their promo videos.
The last two years have been rough. We've been hit
with crisis after crisis, and everywhere working class people are
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being pushed out of politics right at the moment that
we need to fight like hell. The bosses and billionaires
and their politicians and police are sacrificing us during this pandemic.
DSA and YDSA groups are particularly active in the racial
justice protests during the summer of twenty twenty. They start
using the platforms these demonstrations create to promote their socialist
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political agenda. This is something that happens quickly to all
these demonstrations that the news media referred to as Black
Lives Matter. While they started as ways to protest police
brutality and raise awareness of the deaths of unarmed black
men and women at the hands of police, the message
splinters as more people and more groups participate. People are
showing up with signs for communism, socialism, LGBTQ, plus just
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about any cause of line with left wing activism. Trey Quinn,
the Black Nationalists we met earlier, who's one of the
organizers of the Denver demonstrations, He refers to these as
affinity groups. The affinity groups, in Treys opinion, are rowdy
and destructive, and they're instigating some of the most brutal
responses by local police. That's when you started seeing these
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affinity groups of all these people calling themselves antifa or
some sort of anti fascist type guy or something like that.
That's when you start seeing them surround police stations and
throwing rocks in there. That's when you start seeing the
cops have the tear gas whole areas of Denver. These
demonstrators meant well in trays view, but no one was
there to discourage some of their bad ideas. These things
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all happened because there was nobody there to take a
person who's already radical and direct them in the position
where they are now being an effective good. Now they're
just off the leash. And that's what's literally what happened.
It got worse. The friends that Mickey may in y
dsay her named Honor and Aiden. They're among the most
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active members at the time. These affinity groups are pushing
some of the demonstrations beyond what the police accountability activists
had initially desired. An example of this happens in Fort Collins,
about an hour north of Denver. On August eighth, twenty twenty,
a demonstration for Back the Blue, a pro police movement
created in reaction to Black Lives Matter, had been organized
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near the local police station, and Mickey, Honor Aiden and
other members of Denver area affinity groups go to protest
against that demonstration. As you might predict, the situation devolves
quickly into a brawl, with Back the Blue activists and
left wing protesters falling into dogpiles in a grassy ditch
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as they throw punches and hurl frozen water bottles at
each other. Everybody keep, one of the pro police activists says,
keep punching each other in the face, but don't shoot anybody.
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At one point, Back the Blue activists, his face hidden
by an American flag mask, takes a flagpole old glory
wrapped around it and transforms it into a spear, jamming
it into the body of one of the left wing protesters.
The video circulates widely on social media and in right
wing media as an example of the dangers of antifa,
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which is odd because the left wing protesters, the so
called antifa guys. They got their asses kicked back in
Denver zeb Hall, here's about what went down in Fort
Collins on social media. Then Micky gets in touch with him. Well,
these protesters got the ship be at him, which it
was honoring them, you know, they were the ones that
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got the ship beat out of him. And he Nicky
called me and says, hey, my crew got their ass
whip blah blah blah. I didn't know much about it.
And he says, you know you're gonna do the speech.
I want you just to say something about him. Zeb
is supposed to give a speech at a demonstration that evening.
He wants them to say something about Fort Collins. And
I was like, all right, cool, I'll do it. Yeah,
because at that time I didn't know enough about him.
So I take a speech with these cats. I looked
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at the news. Yeah, they got fucked up. After that point,
Zebzi's honor Aiden and other YDSA members hanging around Mickey.
Mickey has somehow turned them into his personal surveillance crew.
They were doing surveillance and even some of the events.
He made them think like they were a little operative
soldiers and whatnot. They had these headphones owned, they show
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up at events, They talked to different leaders and you know, hey,
we're medics. We'll look out for you. You know who
are you? Blah blah blah. And I'm pretty sure they
exchanged the information and gave it back to him. Gave
it back to him, as in, gave the information back
to Mickey. The y DSA Activists are Mickey's intelligence unit,
collecting information from the other protesters and reporting back to Mickey,
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who has come to position himself as a leader of
the racial justice movement in Denver. He's giving directions and
gaining the trust of many of the demos strangers. There's
just one problem, and it's a troubling one. The information
the y DSA Activists collect doesn't stop with Mickey. Mickey
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is providing that information to someone else, someone much more powerful. Okay.
It is August twenty eight, twenty twenty and apart some
only four o two pm. A Special Agent Scott dolphrom
with Special Agent Byron Mitchell chs for meet with Zebidias Hall.
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I didn't know much about him, but he drove a hearse,
and inside his hearse was like a lot of guns,
you know, like a R fifteen and all other kind
of shit. I never held one of those before in
my life, and I held it and I was like,
oh shit, And I'm pro gun and everything, but I
never held anything like that. Yeah, it was just this
badass dude, you know, talking about he worked in the
foreign military, he was for the Black Lives Matter movement,
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and you know, it just seemed interesting, you know. In
August twenty twenty, with millions of Americans protesting across the country,
activist zeb Hal invites a guy he's met at one
of the demonstrations to his apartment in Denver to talk
about plans for the future. The way I look at
is like shit has to happen. The has to happen.
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It's like you said, I mean, how extreme do you expected?
Would you want it to go? If you were to
tell that to your people, how would you say, say,
I come one of your people, right, how would you
say it? I'm Funnels? Yeah I robbed Funnels. I went
to the Curtis Room kill license. So there's nothing you
can tell me what shocked me. This guy had shown
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up on the scene in Denver driving a silver hearse
filled with weapons. He claims to have been a soldier
for the French Foreign Legion and the Peshmerga, the Kurdish
military force in Iraq. He even says he's killed isis
terrorist on the battlefield. Zeb Haul has been involved in
the demonstrations for a couple of months. At this point,
He's seen peaceful protesters attacked by police. He suffered a
head injury. He's growing more and more concerned about black
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people being attacked and killed by cops, and he thinks
that he and others need to learn to defend themselves.
So zeb sitting in his living room with this guy,
asks him, can you teach me how to fight? But
the thing is this my type of training that I
do is anything from mine. I can teach you how
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to shoot a gun to you know, yeah, and in
combat all the ways like blowing up fucking buildings and
grolla warfare, tactics and sabotage. Do you want to learn
how to just shoot a gun, pool, throw somebody around
a kick cool? Or do you want to go that
way all the way uptown? Yeah? Do you want to
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learn to shoot a gun and throw someone around, or
do you want to go all the way uptown? Zep
says he wants to go all the way uptown, appearing
to mean quote like blowing up fucking buildings and guerrilla
warfare tactics and sabotage. We need to know every bit
of defense possible. So here's a question. And so when
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I was in Syrian let me explain. The best way
I did it was when I was a Syrian in Iraq.
We had a lot of antique for guys that came
over there, and I was one of the instructors of
the Red STARB game. Really wants to talk them the
gerrilla warfare attactives we taught them. I ees all this
crazy shit. I had no problem with giving you that
type of training, but I have to make sure that
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that's what you want to do. That you want to
learn the crime Dela Crime Special So that's what you
want to do, then you know that's what I want
to do. Zep says, Okay, So switch on, I can
make it happen. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and
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i Heeart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys, Episode two, all
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the way uptown. So who is this guy? This real
deal ANTIFA militant, the guy with the silver her weapons,
Who's going to take things in Denver to the next level.
I spent a lot of time reporting this out, pulling
court records and police reports, files from the prison system,
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talking to people who knew him in the United States,
in the Middle East, and chasing down every lead I
could find. I discovered that his full name is Michael
Adam Windecker, the Second, so he goes by Mickey. Born
in Colorado, He's in his late forties, stands five foot seven,
has a ruddy complexion and a stocky frame. In photos
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when he was younger, Mickey was slender and toned. In
his middle age, he's developed a paunch, but he's still strong,
with big biceps and wide knuckles that would have little
difficulty knocking out a few of your teeth. Mickey has
got a history in foreign militaries and in the US
criminal justice system, arrest in Colorado, Nevada, Texas, and Florida.
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His offenses include firearms charges, menacing with a weapon, and
sexual assault. In Mickey's telling of Mickey's story, he's the
well off son of an emotionally negligent mother and a
committed father who was a savvy businessman. So my mom
and my mom's side of the family were kind of
like reptiles, like once you had, you pretty much out
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of the nest, as I could love to take care
of go yourself. I really didn't have a lot of
communication or a lot of history with my mom, so
we didn't bond very well. Mickey wouldn't sit down for
an interview with me, but in investigating him, I found
hours of recordings of him. Some are or have been
on social media, like this video. My dad owned two businesses.
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He actually owned a cab company locally here in Colorado,
and he actually owned a carnival and a couple other businesses,
So we had a shitload of money. My dad was
my superhero because it wasn't perfect, but he did teot
me a lot of life skill shit. As I was
growing up as a young man, Mickey wanted an adventure
and so at nineteen years old, he tells of going
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to France to join the Foreign Legion, the world famous
French military unit that accepts feign volunteers. This would have
been around nineteen ninety four, and I went to place
called the Citydale. They took me through selection. They took
me to Paris, to Fort den Gents, through some more
selections than it took me to a bomb near Marseilles
to do my getting into the Foreign Legion, and so
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I lost our shortis I'm waiting, you know, you have
to go out there on the flight deck, a Middle
Eastern guy who was also trying to volunteer in the
French Foreign Legion started to harass and disrespect Mickey. Well,
at the time, I was nineteen years old, and I
didn't take kind of may to being disrespected. So I
beat the ship out of the guy, and a couple
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of corporal chefs and a corporal came up there and
they grabbed me, and there were like, fuck, we can't
have that here, can't be attacking people. So they got
me a train ticket, they paid me while I was there.
They started me to train, went back to Paris and
they and after that I came back to the United States.
After Mickey returned to the United States, he worked a
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variety of odd jobs, took some community college courses, and
traveled around and in his telling, he was something of
a citizen warrior out there looking to help the good guys.
In two thousand and five, he was in Hollywood, Florida,
just north of Miami, when he saw a crime in progress.
A couple of bad guys had just robbed a pawn shop.
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I pull up and I'm stopping at a light, and
I see these guys running out with the gun and
they got a bunch of shit in their hands, and
there were a lot of people around the area. So
I jumped on my vehicle and I tackled the guy
with a gun and took him to the ground, and
the culture like right there, they grabbed and chew and
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they cupped him up. This is one part of Mickey's story.
I was able to verify it happened pretty much exactly
as he described it. I found an article about it
in the South Florida Sun Sentinel. The quotes a local
police spokesman thanking Mickey for his assistance. About seven years
after that incident, Mickey was back in the Denver area,
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so it was the premiere of Batman. That's when in
twenty twelve, a gunman walked into a movie theater in Aurora,
just outside Denver an open fire using a semi automatic rifle.
Twelve people were killed and seventy were injured. The mass
shooting made international news. The violence on the screen erupted
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in the theater. At first, witnesses thought the gunman was
part of the show. He entered the debut of the
Batman film, Dark Knight Rises looking like the villain the Joker,
with a gas mask, head to toe armor and an
eerie calm. And it seems Mickey was there. And actually
I was going to the movie theater, but I was
running a little bit behind, and I showed up as
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the last couple of shots were ringing out, and I
proceeded to help people out of the theater and helped
them get him too, ambulances and stuff like that. Mickey
lived near the movie theater at the time. Several people
told me Mickey had shown them pictures and video of
him at the theater that evening. A week after the shooting,
he also posted on Facebook about his experience, describing how
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he assisted the injured. So, yeah, he appears to have
been there. Mickey has never had much of a political
identity as far as I can tell. If he has
any sort of politics, it's the politics of grievance. Everybody sucks,
everybody's out to get him a brand of political nihilism almost. So. Look,
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the thing I look at him like this is, I
don't I come from the seventies. Okay, I'm almost about
to fifth. Okay. The thing I look at like this
is I have an old biker saying which is called
fuck the three piece the politicians, the press, and the police.
It's just the way it is. Okay. Press has never
fucking helped me, an' fucking politics sharing me, and definitely
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the police because they don't help me. A few years
after the movie theater shooting, with the rise of the
Islamic State or ISIS in Iraq and Syria, Mickey decides
to join the fight. The all American tough guy heads
to the Middle East. Mickey says he flew to a
rock to volunteer as a foreign fighter with the Peshmerga,
the Kurdish military force. According to my reporting, he also
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around this time started claiming Kurdish descent and Iraq Mickey
says the Kurds saved him from an otherwise aimless and
meaningless life. Yeah, which been the type of person when
I grew up, I was the smallest kid in school.
I always got picked up by bullies, So I kind
of learned I had to stand up for myself. And
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I liked the Kurds because in fact was that they
were out man, outgun, out train, outsupply and all this,
and they were the underdog and they were kicking ass,
you know, and they were actually that come to learn
later on, really good people, you know, and that was
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something I could get with, you know. So to me,
I guess the best way can say it is like
I was given a second chance in life. Mickey, in
his telling, was a decorated fighter for the Peshmerga, and
he says he trained dozens of American ANTIFA activists in
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the Middle East in hand to hand combat weapons and explosives.
In a video I have of Mickey, he pulls out
his phone and shows a photo to the camera. Here
I am with I captured flag when I was in battle.
Mickey was such an effective fighter, he claimed that Isis
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issued a bounty on his head and some of his
friends routed him out to the bad guys. I've had
people that I thought were my friends in Colorado lead
my information to terrorist groups, real risk groups. They leaked
it to nash That's what we call the Islamic state
they leaked it to other groups. What type of car
I drove one type of motorcycle. I road where I
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hung out all the ship and literally leaked my information
out there, tried to get a what we call patua,
which is known as a death note or a death
ransoup on me and Mickey's telling. If there are any
Isis fighters with the courage to try to take them
out and collect that bounty, then well come get some.
So yeah, the death the death ship was out there
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a lot, doesn't bother me none. They put it away.
I'm very well armed. I'm not gonna say how, but
I'm very well armed. So if and I am very
well trained, don't confuse my looks in my little bit
of chugginess that I'm not prepared for any type of situation,
because I have been. It's not brag. I am very
well trained and ray bullshit. By twenty seventeen, with a
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price on his head, Mickey had returned to Denver and
began to tell everyone he met that he was a
representative of the Kurdish government. Mickey even claimed to have
diplomatic community from his work with the Kurds, whom he
credited with turning his life around. If you've ever seen
a movie when somebody's life is a complete shit show
where it's fu and they go when they do something
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in their life changes and they become a new person.
Something happens to them and also they're a totally different person.
That's kind of like what happened with me with the Kurds.
And now Mickey was back in the United States, inspired
and with a new mission, a mission he was going
to put into action in Denver more after the break
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after George Floyd's murder in twenty twenty, Mickey started to
attend the protests. He offered weapons training to anyone who
expressed an interest, and by describing how he fought ISIS
terrorists and had diplomatic community, he appeared on first impressions
to be an important and legitimate guy, someone many of
the racial justice activists thought they could trust, but not everyone.
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He's like dressed often in like fatigues or you know,
more black blocked style, seemed to fly a marine flag,
it seems like, but he didn't seem like he was
demand that he claimed to be. This is Brian Loma.
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Brian is widely known in the Denver activist community for
live streaming videos of the racial justice protests. I do
seem to remember that he was armed, which you know,
kind of gave him a sense of having some credibility. Right.
He came off as like maybe being a rook but
like really being like into the movement. And now that
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I say that out loud, that just kind of throws
a red flag up in itself. Brian was live streaming
on July twenty twenty during a rally for Elijah McClean,
the young black man had been killed in Colorado the
year before George Floyd was murdered in Minnesota. Some hold
up signs reading the People United will end racist police terror.
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I've been living in a war since nineteen eighty one.
This is one of the speakers at the event. And
even back then, I remember when you couldn't be black
and be walking up and down Sable or al Alida
without the funky ass racist fucking police pulling you over
and harassing you. The rhetoric at these rallies would get
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pretty heated, like that guy's foul language, The system is racist,
Fuck the police, that kind of stuff. Mickey is at
this demonstration, and this is right around the time that
he first meets zeb Hall. After this rally, the demonstrators
marched through the city. Ran Loma is life streaming the
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whole thing. The demonstrators, numbering in the hundreds, then pour
on the Interstate two twenty five, a major highway that
creates a partial perimeter road around Denver. They block all
the traffic on both sides of the interstate and then
start confronting the drivers they had trapped. Some smile and
laugh and voice support for the demonstrators. Other drivers aren't
as amused, like one Brian Loma confronts, Yeah, are you
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doing today? Say? Are you okay? There's people in front
of you? Would you not drive in front of you?
But this demonstration quickly spirals out of control. On the
other side of the interstate from where Brian Loma is filming,
a blue jeep wrangler speeds through the protesters, nearly hitting
several Another demonstrator films the incident. As it happens. You
can hear gunshots ring out. One of the demonstrators appears
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to have fired on the jeep as it speeds through
the crowd. The scene then becomes chaotic. The hundreds of
demonstrators then leave the interstate and congregate in the surrounding
city streets, choking them off the traffic. At one point,
the crowd stops, and a black man with a bullhorn
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in his hand and an assault rifle slung over his
shoulder addresses the protesters. This is scary work. This is
what it looks like to organize. I guess the racism
in the most racist toutry in the world. As the
hundreds of people advance up the street, Brian Loma turns
his camera to the front of the parade of demonstrators.
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Right up front, as if clearing the way for the protesters,
is a slowly moving silver hearse it's Mickey up front
and in charge of the protest. Zeb is there as well.
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About a half hour later, Zeb walks up to Brian
Loma and his camera. Zeb's wearing a white construction style
hard hat and he has a respirator mask hanging around
his neck. He's angry that the jeep drove dangerously through
the crowd, and Zeb suggests that the jep's driver should
have been stopped earlier in at gunpoint. There should have
been people in the back with rifles to make sure
that God damn card and get up there it's all.
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At this point, then Zeb says something else. I believe
it is necessary to Armed resistance is necessary. That's where
Zeb's mind appears to be when he and Mickey first
start talking about guns and training. Armed resistance is necessary.
So in August twenty twenty, Zeb invites Mickey to his apartment.
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He wants to talk about the future, how to inspire
more people to participate in the demonstrations, how to get
people stirred up, and how to prepare them for possible
conflicts with police officers outfitted like stormtroopers. Zeb explains to
Mickey that he believes the racial justice protests need to
show people that the American economic system is fundamentally unfair
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to black people and other minorities, and in Zeb's view,
the pandemic has made the inequities worse. The whole nation
is a powder keg ready to explode. Denver's brutally cold
winter is a few months away. People will spend the
months indoors, quarantined by the pandemic and the freezing temperatures,
and by the time spring arrives, Zeb predicts that violence
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will break out all over. That's going to be the
turning point. This cold is Dark's claiming that there will
be suicide. Well, when it spring comes, they are angry.
It's getting hot. People up when it's hot. So the
spring comes, get happen, and that's where you would step
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into make ship off all. Mickey encourages Zeb's violence by then,
he says, you'd make shit pop off then, right, But
Zeb is weirdly all over the place talking about violence, yeah,
but unclear on his timeline, and seeming to talk in
a way that suggests he wants others to do the violence.
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People are already age chained, they're working to repress a
lot of them are going to be evicted, and over
the sports of time, we just piss them off more
and more and more. And as soon as summer comes
a spring, there's first few hot weeks, there's gonna be
so much fear and anger because look at these distractions.
Aren't composedly going to come back on sports and concerts
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and everything. They're not going to be back, right. That's
why we have to get them while we're to steal
them into awake right. Zeb explains to Mickey that he
thinks violence is the answer. The only way the system
will change is through force, but he believes that he
can inspire that violence through speeches and propaganda at public events.
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I think this propaganda change change. You know, be hearing
these speeches will actually have other speeders, but not even
just people are good at speaking. Someone like you. Just
tell the truth. You know what's going on, and over
is pre six to eight months, build a fury anger
and if it happens here and little fucking didn't, it'll
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go a place because over that six to eight months
people will be angry or Mickey then pushes Zeb for
more specifics. How are things going to get violent? I
see your point of view, village down and kill the rich.
I understand that I kill your point of view. It's just,
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you know, I don't know how you do. Zeb doesn't
have much of an answer. He talks about propaganda and
speeches and inspiring people to get so angry they'll turn
to violence. Then Zeb tells Mickey, I need your help
in doing this so obso, I need your help doing
this stuff, he says, and I also need to learn
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how to fight. Mickey then explains that he's the exact
man for that job. He says again he's trained Antifa
fighters in Iraq and Syria. Hand, hand combat weapons, explosives,
guerrilla warfare. Zeb then tells Mickey that he also wants
to learn how to mentally manipulate people, and that's when
Mickey drifts into absurdity, and Zeb, so enamored with Mickey,
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doesn't even notice my manipulation. My manipulation is that's something
you can't look school forward. You have to learn it.
And it's like a Jedi mind skill. It's like a
Jedi mind skill. That's what Mickey says, These aren't the
droids you're looking for, and then Mickey goes all obi
wan Kenobi on his young padawan. You have to basically
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take the subject and make them agree with you. The
Jeds do in a way that makes them feel comfortable,
and you want it to be a smooth transition. You
don't want to be rough because of it's rough, it
breaks down in the fields, so you just want to
burger them into it. So Mickey not only fought ISIS
fighters and train violent Antifa activists, he also performed Jedi
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mind tricks. I was actually really good at it when
I was in a personal military I didn't do it
towards the court and towards terrorist members. I was terrogating
the shit of that, but that you can be shown
how to do. You just have to It's you have
to train yourself to do, you know what I mean.
Mickey then suggested Zeb that he could introduce him to
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his guy, an outlaw biker and former Special Forces fighter.
Let me explain him. He's an old, fuck around type
of guy. He does not play fucking games. But if
you're wanting to learn how to blow shit up, drop
people and build the fucking numbers and do all that
shit that you want to do, he's the guy you
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want to go to. I mean, I could teach you
all that shit. Absolutely, I got a teaching it too,
but that would be he would be your guy. Mickey
says this guy is overseas and he can't train that
right away, but Zeb says he doesn't want to wait
and would prefer for Mickey to train him. Mickey, though,
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says there's one issue with training Zeb, and it has
to do with a supposed position as a Kurdish diplomat.
The thing you understand is is like, which Okay, let's
say this of Fish is a Kurdish I have weapons,
but those weapons I can't use because it trains back
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to the kur Holistic ship, so I can't use that ship.
I need to be able to get so weapons that
are not mine, you know what I mean. I can't
buy there somepself. If Zeb wants weapons training, Mickey tells
him Zeb needs to buy him a gun. And I'm
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making no endorsement of the tortured logic here, but this
is basically what Mickey is saying. He has guns, yeah,
but they're registered to him as a Kurdish diplomat and
so he can't use them to train Zeb. And he's
also a convicted felon, which he means he can't buy
a gun legally in the United States even though he
has guns, so Zeb would need to buy him a gun.
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Zeb doesn't commit to anything buying, guns, training, none of it.
At the end of his meeting with Mickey, he returns
to where he was at the beginning of the meeting,
talking about giving speeches. I need help. I need help
doing my speeches. Zeb says, Okay, I'm not very good
with speech parts, pulling triggers and blowing shit up. I'm good.
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Mickey says he isn't there to give speeches. He's in
the pulling triggers and blowing shit up. That's what he says.
And soon zeb learns that Mickey has made other friends
among Denver's racial justice activists, and they appear to be
more enthusiastic about to borrow Mickey's words, pulling triggers and
blowing shit up. He was just hanging out and it
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seemed to be kind of by himself. This is Brett Smith.
Brett is a military veteran and a member of the
Young Democratic Socialists of America or why DSA. And so
one of my colleagues that were there with when engaged
him and stuff. They'd heard about him, they'd seen him around.
He's describing seeing Mickey at the demonstrations in Denver for
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the first time. And so that's when they made kind
of initial contact with him, like kind of on our behalf.
And so yeah, they started hanging out and what have
you at kind of ur or I don't know, you
could say base camp. It's a friends apartment and what
have you. I mean, that's that's kind of just how
it started out. So the y DSA is the youth
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branch of the Democratic Socialists of America, the largest socialist
organization in the United States. Day isn't a political party,
but instead a member organization. Here's one of their promo videos.
The last two years have been rough. We've been hit
with crisis after crisis, and everywhere working class people are
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being pushed out of politics right at the moment that
we need to fight like hell. The bosses and billionaires
and their politicians and police are sacrificing us during this pandemic.
DSA and YDSA groups are particularly active in the racial
justice protests during the summer of twenty twenty. They start
using the platforms these demonstrations create to promote their socialist
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political agenda. This is something that happens quickly to all
these demonstrations that the news media referred to as Black
Lives Matter. While they started as ways to protest police
brutality and raise awareness of the deaths of unarmed black
men and women at the hands of police, the message
splinters as more people and more groups participate. People are
showing up with signs for communism, socialism, LGBTQ, plus just
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about any cause of line with left wing activism. Trey Quinn,
the Black Nationalists we met earlier, who's one of the
organizers of the Denver demonstrations, He refers to these as
affinity groups. The affinity groups, in Treys opinion, are rowdy
and destructive, and they're instigating some of the most brutal
responses by local police. That's when you started seeing these
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affinity groups of all these people calling themselves antifa or
some sort of anti fascist type guy or something like that.
That's when you start seeing them surround police stations and
throwing rocks in there. That's when you start seeing the
cops have the tear gas whole areas of Denver. These
demonstrators meant well in trays view, but no one was
there to discourage some of their bad ideas. These things
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all happened because there was nobody there to take a
person who's already radical and direct them in the position
where they are now being an effective good. Now they're
just off the leash. And that's what's literally what happened.
It got worse. The friends that Mickey may in y
dsay her named Honor and Aiden. They're among the most
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active members at the time. These affinity groups are pushing
some of the demonstrations beyond what the police accountability activists
had initially desired. An example of this happens in Fort Collins,
about an hour north of Denver. On August eighth, twenty twenty,
a demonstration for Back the Blue, a pro police movement
created in reaction to Black Lives Matter, had been organized
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near the local police station, and Mickey, Honor Aiden and
other members of Denver area affinity groups go to protest
against that demonstration. As you might predict, the situation devolves
quickly into a brawl, with Back the Blue activists and
left wing protesters falling into dogpiles in a grassy ditch
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as they throw punches and hurl frozen water bottles at
each other. Everybody keep, one of the pro police activists says,
keep punching each other in the face, but don't shoot anybody.
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At one point, Back the Blue activists, his face hidden
by an American flag mask, takes a flagpole old glory
wrapped around it and transforms it into a spear, jamming
it into the body of one of the left wing protesters.
The video circulates widely on social media and in right
wing media as an example of the dangers of antifa,
(30:25):
which is odd because the left wing protesters, the so
called antifa guys. They got their asses kicked back in
Denver zeb Hall, here's about what went down in Fort
Collins on social media. Then Micky gets in touch with him. Well,
these protesters got the ship be at him, which it
was honoring them, you know, they were the ones that
(30:46):
got the ship beat out of him. And he Nicky
called me and says, hey, my crew got their ass
whip blah blah blah. I didn't know much about it.
And he says, you know you're gonna do the speech.
I want you just to say something about him. Zeb
is supposed to give a speech at a demonstration that evening.
He wants them to say something about Fort Collins. And
I was like, all right, cool, I'll do it. Yeah,
because at that time I didn't know enough about him.
So I take a speech with these cats. I looked
(31:08):
at the news. Yeah, they got fucked up. After that point,
Zebzi's honor Aiden and other YDSA members hanging around Mickey.
Mickey has somehow turned them into his personal surveillance crew.
They were doing surveillance and even some of the events.
He made them think like they were a little operative
soldiers and whatnot. They had these headphones owned, they show
(31:30):
up at events, They talked to different leaders and you know, hey,
we're medics. We'll look out for you. You know who
are you? Blah blah blah. And I'm pretty sure they
exchanged the information and gave it back to him. Gave
it back to him, as in, gave the information back
to Mickey. The y DSA Activists are Mickey's intelligence unit,
collecting information from the other protesters and reporting back to Mickey,
(31:51):
who has come to position himself as a leader of
the racial justice movement in Denver. He's giving directions and
gaining the trust of many of the demos strangers. There's
just one problem, and it's a troubling one. The information
the y DSA Activists collect doesn't stop with Mickey. Mickey
(32:13):
is providing that information to someone else, someone much more powerful. Okay.
It is August twenty eight, twenty twenty and apart some
only four o two pm. A Special Agent Scott dolphrom
with Special Agent Byron Mitchell chs for meet with Zebidias Hall.
(32:39):
That's in the next episode. This is Trojan Hearst Season
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