March 14, 2023 • 31 mins
Another mystery man, nicknamed Red, comes to town. He’s Mickey’s so-called “outlaw biker buddy.” Red takes activist Bryce Shelby for a drive to scope out the home of Colorado’s attorney general as part of a budding assassination plot. But Red lets something slip that makes Bryce suspicious.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
So there's this video and you're seeing the inside of
a Nissan Altimo with a black leather interior. In the
center console you can see a water bottle, keys, and
a cell phone. And you can also see the right
arm of the driver who's holding the camera. He's got
an intricate sleeve tattoo. In the center is the symbol
for the one hundred and eighty seventh Airborne, the famous
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US Army unit whose history dates back to World War Two.
The air conditioner is at full blast. It's in the
nineties today in Denver. You see seven seven seventy five
in Denver, Colorado. Today is August twenty five, approximately two
fifty pm. The man you're hearing is an FBI undercover
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agent number seven seven seven five. U SEE is the
FBI's acronym for undercover employee. This FBI guy, he's going
by the nickname Red. I don't know his real name.
What happened a few minutes into the recording, Mickey walks
up to the Nissan Ultima. Red rolls down his window
and he notices Mickey's broken finger. Where'd you do that thing?
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I would to sturge you, some fucking drunk driver hid
on his fucking wife, just cutting my handlebars. Mickey then
walks over to his car and read sitting in the
Ultima seems to think Mickey looks ridiculous. As he gets
behind the wheel of a silver hearse ohly shit. Red
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then follows Mickey. He's listening to the radio as he drives.
A few minutes later, Red pulls into the parking lot
of a TGI Friday's. Mickey walks up to him again.
He's pretty laid back. He's trying to pump in. You'll
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see he's kind of mental in some fucking ways. Mickey
means Bryce Shelby, the activist with the vague plot to
assassinate Colorado as Attorney General. Mickey's about to introduce Bryce
to Red, the friend he'd been talking about, the outlaw biker,
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the no fuck around guy. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western
Sound and I Heeart podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys, episode seven.
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They call me Juice. Mickey Windecker, the FBI's informant, has
his sights on two targets, zeb Hall and Bryce Shelby.
He tried to roll them up over lunch at Famous
Daves into a single conspiracy, but zeb had said he's
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not ready. So now in this episode, Mickey's going after Bryce,
just Bryce. Before we get there. I just want to
remind you of the timeline. It's a bit confusing since
so much happens over the span of one week. The
attacks on the police buildings in Denver the ones Mickey
hyped up, they happened from August twenty second to August
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twenty ninth, twenty twenty. At the beginning of that week,
Mickey invited zeb Hall and Bryce Shelby to lunch at
a famous Dave's Barbecue restaurant. That's when Bryce discusses with
Mickey an idea to target Colorado's Attorney general. So you're
thinking for sure they're the eight gene Yeah right, and
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zeb offers crazy talk about navigating Denver sewers at the
weeks before days happened, they're always by the always buy Yeah.
After this meeting, Mickey had gone up to his FBI handler,
agent Scott Dahlstrom, and suggested that Bryce was serious about
an assassination plot. Trony generals your target. So that's the timeline.
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Now it's August twenty fifth, a Tuesday, and we're at
a TGI Friday's Mickey is planning to introduce Bryce to Red,
the friend you'd been talking about, the no fuck around guy.
Before Bryce arrives at the restaurant, Mickey and Red are
there with another demonstrator named Mark, who knows Bryce from
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the protest scene, and Mickey is describing how he knows Red,
which is of course a bullshit story no one read
for like a decade. We met at seventy sturgeonies, because
it's ten years now, so it's like eighty. I saw
him again, like a couple of weeks ago, and it
was a girl, because like the Special Force community is
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like very small, even though like you know, Kurdish like that,
you're still talking film and something that I hate to
say it, but I had to check on him. And
a couple other guys from the Fifth were like, yeah,
we know boot me as he's cool as a high
pre and I just wanted to make sure because he's
something that's a good qualtro, he's got something, He's got
some top notch shit, So okay, I just want to
highlight the absurdity here for a minute. Mickey the guy
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who got booted out of the Peshmerga, and I Rock
for being a fraud and a liability to the fighters there.
It's claiming to have been in the Peshmerga's special forces,
and that's where he met others in the special forces community,
including apparently Rhett, a retired American soldier. Mickey says he's
called around to his special Forces contacts and they all
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vouch for Rhet, who Mickey says, has quote some top
notch shit, and what he means by top not shit is,
of course weapons. Anything you guys are going to do.
I mean, I know their price is like plans exactly,
but yeah, yeah, absolutely. But he's unfortunately I'm not in
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operational because the probably amputain motherfucker. Mickey's talking about his
broken finger again. That'll suck. If you lose that, then,
oh man, I'll be mad as fun because I gotta
like I'm to be like one of the prosthetic three
print ones on there. And it's not like shifting my
little Captain book, but my nosepicker, my twat rab. A
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few minutes later, Bryce arrives, what's up. What's you up too? Fine?
It's good for me right on. So the dairy man Bryce,
this is much red. This is Bryce Juice man, they
call me Juice. Juice, right, yeah, Bryce tells the FBI
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undercover agent his nickname is Juice. They call me Juice.
He says, yeah, let me get a strawberry lemonade. Mickey
then starts telling Bryce about his friend Red and how
his fellow members of the Special Forces community vouch for him.
Leg all your ship you want to do, that's my boy,
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that's good. I'm just gonna help your drinking. I don't
even know what the fuck we're fighting. I just know
that these people that run shit are not for us.
I'm some regular Joe civilian, but if I need to
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see this coming, I'm not just gonna stand by my family.
That could be next. I got the district attorney's address.
This does an I keep voiceing the attorney. Bryce is
still confusing the two positions, the two different elected officials,
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the district attorney and the attorney general. Red and Mickey
asked Bryce if he's been to the address, So you
went check it out, so but have you have you?
Have you been in it? Have? I just like neighborhood itself,
like it looks pretty quiet. So it's really a matter
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of what time did this motherfucker get home because nobody's outside,
or you just hear some pops, we're going, okay, neighborhood
cheating neighborhood, like one of them in close kind of
in neighborhoods. You know a lot of the streets like
not no gates, no gates help. So I'm just thinking,
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I don't know, like I would like to get multiple
people at one time, but obvious, so you gotta keep
this small, you know what I mean. So it's like,
who's the who's somebody we can we can get this.
This motherfucker is the one overseeing all these cases, you
know what I mean. So this, my fucker is the
one overseeing all these cases. Bryce says, again he's confusing
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the two offices. The Attorney General isn't prosecuting demonstrators, that's
the district attorney. Nobody knows they're here beside me and him.
All right. None of my people from my circles, None
of my people is circled that I know. I like,
she tow somebody even I didn't know. I don't know
about compartmentalize basis I ganged banks. You're like, that's what
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this is? Another mission me? But on this Red suggested
Bryce that they take a drive to scout out the
Attorney General's house. All right, well, I think we got
to roll by it. Okay, I got the hand crash.
I mean, if you're good with it, you're called. But
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see what the options are at that point. Right. A
few minutes later, Mickey leaves, saying he has somewhere else
to be. Now Bryson Red can talk about Mickey without
him hearing. Bryce asked Red if he and Mickey had
serve together, not directly with them. No, we met here,
but I spent twenty years in the military, spent eleven
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years overseas. Thank you for your shirt? What bridge? Red
then shift the conversation back to the plot to murder
the Attorney general. I mean, I think what you were saying,
I think you can accomplish that goal, whether than a
man that would allow you to be somewhere the next
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day versus brine, and then you can continue to be
who you want to be, not somebody's right, right exactly.
That's my nickname. That's my nickname. They called me juid.
I didn't pull that on the pass. There's a way
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to pull this off, Red says, and not splatter your
juice on the wall. Rice likes the joke anyway. Bryce
is adamant that he's serious about all this, but he's
still confusing the title of the guy he is supposedly
plotting to assassinate. How is this going to change? Will
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people understand what happened? Well, they just hired another da
back to the old ways, right. Red tells Bryce that
he's here to help because Mickey asked him to help.
That's why he called me. Yeah right, that's why I'm here, Guessa.
I am a favor here it is, but the favorite
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Bryce really wants. The reason it seems he even took
this meeting is to find someone to fix his rifle,
which has a bullet jammed in it. Would you mind
looking at my rifle? Bro? That's what I do every day, alright,
That's all. That's all I need to That's about here, bro, Hu,
That's that's really it for me. I'm I'll go all try,
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nobody try. That's really it for me. Bryce is telling
Red that's all he wants, fix my rifle and I'll
go kill the guy myself. Red, not wanting Bryce to
go on his own, suggest instead that they plan this
thing together. You gotta think about your like you gotta
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give it some thought, and not in terms of I'm
not arguing with you in terms of your endgame. I'm
saying you gotta give it some thought as to the
how I think we ought to take a ride and
just go see there's no harm in that. Red suggests
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that he and Bryce drive to the Attorney General's house
to scope it out more. After the break, he was
basically asked me, like, would be my plan? How would
I do it? And shit like that, and I was
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really just saying, like movie shit, cut his lights off,
kicking the door. I'm not I don't got no real
fucking plan to do this. Shit. This is Bryce Shelby.
I've asked him about his conversation with the FBI undercover
agent Red and his supposed plot to kill Colorado as
attorney general, whom Bryce kept getting mixed up with the
district attorney. I'm not sitting in my fucking room writing
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up fucking a damn blueprint and what the fuck I'm
I don't even know who the nigga was. So I
think a listener would say, like, well, why did you
talk about it? I guess I don't know. That's just
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how you feel at a moment like, I'm gonna kill
that motherfucker. You've said that about a lot of people
that pisched you off in life listeners. You ain't never
killed him for real, have you. This assassination plot, though,
ends up being a little more than talk. Bryce had
the Attorney General's home address. He said he got it
from another demonstrator who, trying to be provocative, had read
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off a bunch of elected officials home addresses during a speech.
So Red, the undercover agent, suggest they drive out to
the house, maybe come up with a more concrete plan.
Bryce agrees to go on the right over. They keep
talking and Bryce is acting like a tough guy. So
what are you thinking? I guess. I mean, let's let's
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just put it this way. If you could have it
any way, you want just chest that motherfucker hopping out
of his car, Because originally I was thinking set the
power off and come through the window or something like that,
and should you're talking about Rambo, Yeah, But then I
got to thinking that's too much shit. I got a
big gass rifle, I got a hold, I gotta you
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know what I mean, And that's what I'm thinking. I
think about back back to like forensics, tracing and shit
like that, versus not getting none of that ship on
you at all. Motherfucker, hop out the car, you know
what I mean? Popping bam. I'm still talking about forensics
right there. Yeah, but that's a lot less forensics. So
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I see what he's saying. The FBI agent is being
generous here for the sake of the undercover sting. Bryce
is talking a bunch of nonsense as far as like, actually,
just body niggas up, like nah, that that day in
my phone. You're trying to hurt me though, while I
would mind him my own business, all right, Yeah, now okay,
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you're gonna see about you here in one second. Bryce
then begins to describe to Red how he wasn't interested
in any sort of violence when he first started protesting Mickey,
he says, pushed him in that direction, and when I
met Mickey, yeah, that was like that was like the
first thing he said. He was like, He's like, we're
at the impast. A lot of people like thought he
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was a complicate and they made him start talking. Then
he pulled out his fucking prison. I d like, yeah,
there's that no cab for sure. Red then ass price
what he knows about the guy whose house they're driving too.
What do you know about this guy's attorney general? Because
all this family M I think he has. I think
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he has one kid and a wife, but that might
be his Those might just be relative, you know, like
on voter registration it doesn't say who's what. Yeah, I
think he has one kid and a wife. I don't
know how all this kid is either healthy forty me
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in too early forties, early to me and forties. Like
I say, when's he granting office? About four years? I
want to save about forty years. Okay, I want to
pause for a minute, because Bryce he gets almost everything
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wrong about Colorado as attorney general at the time a
guy named phil Wiser. Phil Weiser is married, that much
is true, but he has two children, not one. At
the time Bryce and Red are having this conversation, Wiser
is fifty two years old, not in his early to
mid forties, and he was elected in twenty eighteen, and
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as this conversation is happening, has been in office for
less than two years, not as Bryce says, four or
five years. Anyway, back to the car ride, So the
question I asked earlier, in a perfect situation, what happens
he hops out the car. I'd say maybe about huntey
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yards away if that, If we could park somewhere close
to that, great If not. I ain't worried about this
kind of neighborhood. Like I said, it's trees and shit
like that. So you know what I mean, You could
do a nice little sprint before anybody ever sees anything.
Gotta figure everybody's got cameras. Yeah, yeah, But you know
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I'm saying a purposely joys in the mount up the car.
He's getting his briefcase in the backseat or whatever. Light
him up a couple of times. Ain't for the head, God,
damn it, Jesus Rice. This is about when they pull
into the neighborhood. We pulled in front of it. We
pulled in front of the school actually, and sat in
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the park a lot, I don't know, hundred hundred fifty
yards away from the house. Bryceon Red are looking at
the house. I don't know. You think I figure out
his schedule. I'm gonna have to come by here with
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um all right, with my home gro see if I
think if you think you're gonna sit outside here catch
him leaving. I don't know, bro about coming home. You
gotta figure comes home. He does this, The garage door
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goes up, he drives inside, he does this, the garage
door goes down. Mhm. I mean I think there's a
better chance of accomplishing your goal with something else, right,
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I mean, not like here. Yeah, I just think you
can get the thing done and get out. Mick told me,
and correct and maybe he's wrong, but he told me
that one of your big concerns was making sure you
did Yeah. Of course, So to fight another day. I
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want to see the results of if this worked or not,
of course. Yeah. I'm about to figure out what car
he what his car drives, and to see where he's
you know, I mean where he goes from a day
to day basis, you know what I mean. Trail him.
I'm at to trail him. I was. I wasn't gonna
start doing any this until I got back in town
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from Kentucky. At this point, while he's talking like some hitman,
Bryce is backing out. Ever so subtly. He says he
can't do anything soon because he'll be traveling. So Red
suggests another possibility. He's got connections. They could hire someone
to kill the attorney general. You know, it's going to
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cause something to put it together, That's all I'm saying.
What are we looking at? Figure wise? Fix bucks? Yeah,
I figured somewhere in there. Red and Bryce then drive
back to the TGI Fridays where Bryce's cars parked. On
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the way back, Bryce confuses again the Attorney General with
the district attorney DoD. I mean, do do attorney general
self security? I'm sure it's at the building. I don't
know if they got them, like personal protective details or anything.
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What Red didn't know at this point is Bryce is
onto him. Bryce doesn't know a lot of things, that's
for sure. He certainly doesn't know much about his elected officials.
But Bryce knows this five or six hundred bucks. No
way you can find a hitman to kill an elected
official for five or six hundred bucks. And I just
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kind of like, okay, like like yeah, I'll let you know.
You know what I mean, Like when you hear the
motherfuckers say some bullshit and you're like, yoh, okay, yeah,
I'll get right on it. I got you. Yep. I'm
gonna call you yep, yep. H He's stupid, bro. I'm
gonna hate you though, calling Bro Bryce. He knows something
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is very off. So Bryce, as you're probably figuring, doesn't
assassinate Colorad as attorney general or even try to. But
his rhetoric it's troubling. He did talk about killing a politician.
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Bryce said, just shoot him as he gets out of
his car. It's on tape, secretly recorded by the FBI.
Offer hope out the car. You know what I mean?
Copy Man. Bryce seemed to have a kind of bloodlust
in his words. Same with zeb Hal. He was like
Bryce talking big, talking about violence, talking about burning the
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whole motherfucker down. I've seen this kind of behavior a lot,
and undercover stings, the targets of the investigation talking and
acting like the undercovers, who are in turn acting like
bad guys terrorists, drug dealers, money launderers, con men, whatever.
Humans have a tendency to mimic the behavior of people
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in their social groups. We all do this, some more
than others, but in undercover stings there tends to be
in amplifying effect. The targets of the sting either want
to impress the undercovers or they're scared of the undercover agents,
and so they talk and act more like bad guys.
Bryce is doing this. For example, when Mickey and Red
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talked to Bryce about guns, he told him that his
guns were illegal to bolster his image as a badass.
But that isn't true. I was maintaining the image with them.
I bought my ship in the pot stores, so you
know what I mean. I was floating to them. You
know what I mean, I'm gang banging. Whoop whooo, I'm
crips and you ain't got no tattoos, no where fucking worry,
oh my goddamn body. And not that that means anything,
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because there's gang members that don't have no tattoos at all.
But I'm not in the gang book. I'm you've never
been arrested like with you know what I mean with people,
You know what I mean for them to profile me
like that and much like that, But I was telling
them that, you know what I mean, I'm thinking again,
these are mercenaries and hit man, so you know I mean,
we talked, We talk and killer talk more or less.
Play Yeah, And then when the motherfucker was like, yeah,
tell me five hundred, I got you. Well, first off,
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running in the streets, you're killing a political figure for
way more than that. I'm saying straight up. You know
what I mean, You're killing them somebody big like that
for way more than five hundred dollars, So you do
it a suspicious right away, just because the price was
still out of line, right, Yeah, grossly, you're selling yourself grossly.
That's some MS for an m like that, that's some
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MS just being real by ms, Bryce means millions. A
murder like this would cost millions, not five hundred dollars.
After they drive over to the Attorney General's house and
discuss how they might kill him, Bryce never talks to
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Mickey or rad again. And they tried to call me
and shit like that, But you know what I mean,
he recognized the number. Shit like that. You just got
to them at that point, bab I wasn't trying to
funk with you to that the degree. In no way
you really trying to do this shit. I'm I'm not
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doing this. I know it's not gonna in the way
I wanted to end. Okay, all right, you killed a
couple of our people. All Right, we're gonna change all laws,
give you all reparations. Where Yeah, no, that's not gonna
change anything. That's gonna piss them off more. We're really
gonna start killing black people more. Yeah. I asked Bryce
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if he thought what happened to him and what happened
with Mickey's work in Denver, we're all a continuation of
the FBI's history of targeting black political activists. Bryce says, yeah,
just read some history. There's a document you can find
it on the end that you could google it. It's
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called the It's called Operation Black Messiah, and it's pretty
much made to prevent the rise of any militant minded,
charismatic black males, any heterosexual, stereotypical blackmails that rise to power, fame, glory, whatever.
You know what I mean. Don't let him get to
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the people, don't let them love him too much. They'll
kill for that motherfucker, and therefore they'll turn on our
white asses more or less. You might know what Bryce
is referring to here. There is recently a movie called
Judas and the Black Messiah about the government's involvement in
the killing of Black panther leader Fred Hampton during a raid. Now,
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there wasn't an Operation in Black Messiah, per se. What
Bryce is referring to are the co Intel pro operations
under FBI director j Edgar Hoover the ones that infiltrated
and subverted black political groups like doctor Martin Luther King's
organization and the Black Panthers. These programs were meant to
prevent a black Messiah. This was Hoover's term from unifying
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black political groups in the United States. Bryce believes that
the government is alt to destroy any increase in black
political action and power. They've done it before and they're
doing it again. It pisses them off. I feel like
America wants us to just be quiet and let it happen.
But that's so Unamerican. Like this country was started by
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some motherfuckers who didn't want to pay ten cents, a
thirteen cents or whatever on some tea. They started a
whole fucking a war, separated from their country, their motherland,
over some tea. I'm wrong for wanting I guess as
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the government will put it. I'm wrong for wanting to
go to war because you're killing us for no specifics.
Over a twenty dollars tech, over a twenty dollars bill,
over a kid walking, an autistic kid walking down the
street dancing to his music with a mask on because
he's weird like that, I'm wrong for wanting to go
to war because you were killing us for small, egregious reasons.
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I think I'm more American than you, son of a bitches.
Then the FBI is far from done with Bryce, and
they're going to find a new way to draw another
protester into their trap, zeb Hal. At the same time,
Mickey's work for the FBI is slowly metastasizing beyond the
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Denver area. Mickey provides the FBI with information about demonstrators
in Colorado Springs. This sets off a whole series of
events that will have big consequences for Mickey. The FBI
launches a new separate investigation in Colorado Springs, where a
young cop is recruited to work with the FBI. She
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wears a long wig of pink hair. When you were
marching in the housing march, were you doing that for
Alora Springs Police Department? I was under the authority on
how many other FBI agents were in that, marsh irrespectfully
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declined to answer. That's in the next episode, This is
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And finally, thanks so much for listening.
So there's this video and you're seeing the inside of
a Nissan Altimo with a black leather interior. In the
center console you can see a water bottle, keys, and
a cell phone. And you can also see the right
arm of the driver who's holding the camera. He's got
an intricate sleeve tattoo. In the center is the symbol
for the one hundred and eighty seventh Airborne, the famous
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US Army unit whose history dates back to World War Two.
The air conditioner is at full blast. It's in the
nineties today in Denver. You see seven seven seventy five
in Denver, Colorado. Today is August twenty five, approximately two
fifty pm. The man you're hearing is an FBI undercover
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agent number seven seven seven five. U SEE is the
FBI's acronym for undercover employee. This FBI guy, he's going
by the nickname Red. I don't know his real name.
What happened a few minutes into the recording, Mickey walks
up to the Nissan Ultima. Red rolls down his window
and he notices Mickey's broken finger. Where'd you do that thing?
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I would to sturge you, some fucking drunk driver hid
on his fucking wife, just cutting my handlebars. Mickey then
walks over to his car and read sitting in the
Ultima seems to think Mickey looks ridiculous. As he gets
behind the wheel of a silver hearse ohly shit. Red
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then follows Mickey. He's listening to the radio as he drives.
A few minutes later, Red pulls into the parking lot
of a TGI Friday's. Mickey walks up to him again.
He's pretty laid back. He's trying to pump in. You'll
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see he's kind of mental in some fucking ways. Mickey
means Bryce Shelby, the activist with the vague plot to
assassinate Colorado as Attorney General. Mickey's about to introduce Bryce
to Red, the friend he'd been talking about, the outlaw biker,
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the no fuck around guy. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western
Sound and I Heeart podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys, episode seven.
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They call me Juice. Mickey Windecker, the FBI's informant, has
his sights on two targets, zeb Hall and Bryce Shelby.
He tried to roll them up over lunch at Famous
Daves into a single conspiracy, but zeb had said he's
(03:10):
not ready. So now in this episode, Mickey's going after Bryce,
just Bryce. Before we get there. I just want to
remind you of the timeline. It's a bit confusing since
so much happens over the span of one week. The
attacks on the police buildings in Denver the ones Mickey
hyped up, they happened from August twenty second to August
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twenty ninth, twenty twenty. At the beginning of that week,
Mickey invited zeb Hall and Bryce Shelby to lunch at
a famous Dave's Barbecue restaurant. That's when Bryce discusses with
Mickey an idea to target Colorado's Attorney general. So you're
thinking for sure they're the eight gene Yeah right, and
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zeb offers crazy talk about navigating Denver sewers at the
weeks before days happened, they're always by the always buy Yeah.
After this meeting, Mickey had gone up to his FBI handler,
agent Scott Dahlstrom, and suggested that Bryce was serious about
an assassination plot. Trony generals your target. So that's the timeline.
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Now it's August twenty fifth, a Tuesday, and we're at
a TGI Friday's Mickey is planning to introduce Bryce to Red,
the friend you'd been talking about, the no fuck around guy.
Before Bryce arrives at the restaurant, Mickey and Red are
there with another demonstrator named Mark, who knows Bryce from
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the protest scene, and Mickey is describing how he knows Red,
which is of course a bullshit story no one read
for like a decade. We met at seventy sturgeonies, because
it's ten years now, so it's like eighty. I saw
him again, like a couple of weeks ago, and it
was a girl, because like the Special Force community is
(05:02):
like very small, even though like you know, Kurdish like that,
you're still talking film and something that I hate to
say it, but I had to check on him. And
a couple other guys from the Fifth were like, yeah,
we know boot me as he's cool as a high
pre and I just wanted to make sure because he's
something that's a good qualtro, he's got something, He's got
some top notch shit, So okay, I just want to
highlight the absurdity here for a minute. Mickey the guy
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who got booted out of the Peshmerga, and I Rock
for being a fraud and a liability to the fighters there.
It's claiming to have been in the Peshmerga's special forces,
and that's where he met others in the special forces community,
including apparently Rhett, a retired American soldier. Mickey says he's
called around to his special Forces contacts and they all
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vouch for Rhet, who Mickey says, has quote some top
notch shit, and what he means by top not shit is,
of course weapons. Anything you guys are going to do.
I mean, I know their price is like plans exactly,
but yeah, yeah, absolutely. But he's unfortunately I'm not in
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operational because the probably amputain motherfucker. Mickey's talking about his
broken finger again. That'll suck. If you lose that, then,
oh man, I'll be mad as fun because I gotta
like I'm to be like one of the prosthetic three
print ones on there. And it's not like shifting my
little Captain book, but my nosepicker, my twat rab. A
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few minutes later, Bryce arrives, what's up. What's you up too? Fine?
It's good for me right on. So the dairy man Bryce,
this is much red. This is Bryce Juice man, they
call me Juice. Juice, right, yeah, Bryce tells the FBI
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undercover agent his nickname is Juice. They call me Juice.
He says, yeah, let me get a strawberry lemonade. Mickey
then starts telling Bryce about his friend Red and how
his fellow members of the Special Forces community vouch for him.
Leg all your ship you want to do, that's my boy,
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that's good. I'm just gonna help your drinking. I don't
even know what the fuck we're fighting. I just know
that these people that run shit are not for us.
I'm some regular Joe civilian, but if I need to
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see this coming, I'm not just gonna stand by my family.
That could be next. I got the district attorney's address.
This does an I keep voiceing the attorney. Bryce is
still confusing the two positions, the two different elected officials,
(07:58):
the district attorney and the attorney general. Red and Mickey
asked Bryce if he's been to the address, So you
went check it out, so but have you have you?
Have you been in it? Have? I just like neighborhood itself,
like it looks pretty quiet. So it's really a matter
(08:19):
of what time did this motherfucker get home because nobody's outside,
or you just hear some pops, we're going, okay, neighborhood
cheating neighborhood, like one of them in close kind of
in neighborhoods. You know a lot of the streets like
not no gates, no gates help. So I'm just thinking,
(08:42):
I don't know, like I would like to get multiple
people at one time, but obvious, so you gotta keep
this small, you know what I mean. So it's like,
who's the who's somebody we can we can get this.
This motherfucker is the one overseeing all these cases, you
know what I mean. So this, my fucker is the
one overseeing all these cases. Bryce says, again he's confusing
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the two offices. The Attorney General isn't prosecuting demonstrators, that's
the district attorney. Nobody knows they're here beside me and him.
All right. None of my people from my circles, None
of my people is circled that I know. I like,
she tow somebody even I didn't know. I don't know
about compartmentalize basis I ganged banks. You're like, that's what
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this is? Another mission me? But on this Red suggested
Bryce that they take a drive to scout out the
Attorney General's house. All right, well, I think we got
to roll by it. Okay, I got the hand crash.
I mean, if you're good with it, you're called. But
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see what the options are at that point. Right. A
few minutes later, Mickey leaves, saying he has somewhere else
to be. Now Bryson Red can talk about Mickey without
him hearing. Bryce asked Red if he and Mickey had
serve together, not directly with them. No, we met here,
but I spent twenty years in the military, spent eleven
(10:07):
years overseas. Thank you for your shirt? What bridge? Red
then shift the conversation back to the plot to murder
the Attorney general. I mean, I think what you were saying,
I think you can accomplish that goal, whether than a
man that would allow you to be somewhere the next
(10:28):
day versus brine, and then you can continue to be
who you want to be, not somebody's right, right exactly.
That's my nickname. That's my nickname. They called me juid.
I didn't pull that on the pass. There's a way
(10:52):
to pull this off, Red says, and not splatter your
juice on the wall. Rice likes the joke anyway. Bryce
is adamant that he's serious about all this, but he's
still confusing the title of the guy he is supposedly
plotting to assassinate. How is this going to change? Will
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people understand what happened? Well, they just hired another da
back to the old ways, right. Red tells Bryce that
he's here to help because Mickey asked him to help.
That's why he called me. Yeah right, that's why I'm here, Guessa.
I am a favor here it is, but the favorite
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Bryce really wants. The reason it seems he even took
this meeting is to find someone to fix his rifle,
which has a bullet jammed in it. Would you mind
looking at my rifle? Bro? That's what I do every day, alright,
That's all. That's all I need to That's about here, bro, Hu,
That's that's really it for me. I'm I'll go all try,
(12:01):
nobody try. That's really it for me. Bryce is telling
Red that's all he wants, fix my rifle and I'll
go kill the guy myself. Red, not wanting Bryce to
go on his own, suggest instead that they plan this
thing together. You gotta think about your like you gotta
(12:21):
give it some thought, and not in terms of I'm
not arguing with you in terms of your endgame. I'm
saying you gotta give it some thought as to the
how I think we ought to take a ride and
just go see there's no harm in that. Red suggests
(12:44):
that he and Bryce drive to the Attorney General's house
to scope it out more. After the break, he was
basically asked me, like, would be my plan? How would
I do it? And shit like that, and I was
(13:04):
really just saying, like movie shit, cut his lights off,
kicking the door. I'm not I don't got no real
fucking plan to do this. Shit. This is Bryce Shelby.
I've asked him about his conversation with the FBI undercover
agent Red and his supposed plot to kill Colorado as
attorney general, whom Bryce kept getting mixed up with the
district attorney. I'm not sitting in my fucking room writing
(13:26):
up fucking a damn blueprint and what the fuck I'm
I don't even know who the nigga was. So I
think a listener would say, like, well, why did you
talk about it? I guess I don't know. That's just
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how you feel at a moment like, I'm gonna kill
that motherfucker. You've said that about a lot of people
that pisched you off in life listeners. You ain't never
killed him for real, have you. This assassination plot, though,
ends up being a little more than talk. Bryce had
the Attorney General's home address. He said he got it
from another demonstrator who, trying to be provocative, had read
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off a bunch of elected officials home addresses during a speech.
So Red, the undercover agent, suggest they drive out to
the house, maybe come up with a more concrete plan.
Bryce agrees to go on the right over. They keep
talking and Bryce is acting like a tough guy. So
what are you thinking? I guess. I mean, let's let's
(14:38):
just put it this way. If you could have it
any way, you want just chest that motherfucker hopping out
of his car, Because originally I was thinking set the
power off and come through the window or something like that,
and should you're talking about Rambo, Yeah, But then I
got to thinking that's too much shit. I got a
big gass rifle, I got a hold, I gotta you
(14:59):
know what I mean, And that's what I'm thinking. I
think about back back to like forensics, tracing and shit
like that, versus not getting none of that ship on
you at all. Motherfucker, hop out the car, you know
what I mean? Popping bam. I'm still talking about forensics
right there. Yeah, but that's a lot less forensics. So
(15:20):
I see what he's saying. The FBI agent is being
generous here for the sake of the undercover sting. Bryce
is talking a bunch of nonsense as far as like, actually,
just body niggas up, like nah, that that day in
my phone. You're trying to hurt me though, while I
would mind him my own business, all right, Yeah, now okay,
(15:43):
you're gonna see about you here in one second. Bryce
then begins to describe to Red how he wasn't interested
in any sort of violence when he first started protesting Mickey,
he says, pushed him in that direction, and when I
met Mickey, yeah, that was like that was like the
first thing he said. He was like, He's like, we're
at the impast. A lot of people like thought he
(16:06):
was a complicate and they made him start talking. Then
he pulled out his fucking prison. I d like, yeah,
there's that no cab for sure. Red then ass price
what he knows about the guy whose house they're driving too.
What do you know about this guy's attorney general? Because
all this family M I think he has. I think
(16:30):
he has one kid and a wife, but that might
be his Those might just be relative, you know, like
on voter registration it doesn't say who's what. Yeah, I
think he has one kid and a wife. I don't
know how all this kid is either healthy forty me
(16:56):
in too early forties, early to me and forties. Like
I say, when's he granting office? About four years? I
want to save about forty years. Okay, I want to
pause for a minute, because Bryce he gets almost everything
(17:19):
wrong about Colorado as attorney general at the time a
guy named phil Wiser. Phil Weiser is married, that much
is true, but he has two children, not one. At
the time Bryce and Red are having this conversation, Wiser
is fifty two years old, not in his early to
mid forties, and he was elected in twenty eighteen, and
(17:39):
as this conversation is happening, has been in office for
less than two years, not as Bryce says, four or
five years. Anyway, back to the car ride, So the
question I asked earlier, in a perfect situation, what happens
he hops out the car. I'd say maybe about huntey
(18:05):
yards away if that, If we could park somewhere close
to that, great If not. I ain't worried about this
kind of neighborhood. Like I said, it's trees and shit
like that. So you know what I mean, You could
do a nice little sprint before anybody ever sees anything.
Gotta figure everybody's got cameras. Yeah, yeah, But you know
(18:29):
I'm saying a purposely joys in the mount up the car.
He's getting his briefcase in the backseat or whatever. Light
him up a couple of times. Ain't for the head, God,
damn it, Jesus Rice. This is about when they pull
into the neighborhood. We pulled in front of it. We
pulled in front of the school actually, and sat in
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the park a lot, I don't know, hundred hundred fifty
yards away from the house. Bryceon Red are looking at
the house. I don't know. You think I figure out
his schedule. I'm gonna have to come by here with
(19:13):
um all right, with my home gro see if I
think if you think you're gonna sit outside here catch
him leaving. I don't know, bro about coming home. You
gotta figure comes home. He does this, The garage door
(19:34):
goes up, he drives inside, he does this, the garage
door goes down. Mhm. I mean I think there's a
better chance of accomplishing your goal with something else, right,
(19:56):
I mean, not like here. Yeah, I just think you
can get the thing done and get out. Mick told me,
and correct and maybe he's wrong, but he told me
that one of your big concerns was making sure you
did Yeah. Of course, So to fight another day. I
(20:18):
want to see the results of if this worked or not,
of course. Yeah. I'm about to figure out what car
he what his car drives, and to see where he's
you know, I mean where he goes from a day
to day basis, you know what I mean. Trail him.
I'm at to trail him. I was. I wasn't gonna
start doing any this until I got back in town
(20:39):
from Kentucky. At this point, while he's talking like some hitman,
Bryce is backing out. Ever so subtly. He says he
can't do anything soon because he'll be traveling. So Red
suggests another possibility. He's got connections. They could hire someone
to kill the attorney general. You know, it's going to
(21:01):
cause something to put it together, That's all I'm saying.
What are we looking at? Figure wise? Fix bucks? Yeah,
I figured somewhere in there. Red and Bryce then drive
back to the TGI Fridays where Bryce's cars parked. On
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the way back, Bryce confuses again the Attorney General with
the district attorney DoD. I mean, do do attorney general
self security? I'm sure it's at the building. I don't
know if they got them, like personal protective details or anything.
(21:44):
What Red didn't know at this point is Bryce is
onto him. Bryce doesn't know a lot of things, that's
for sure. He certainly doesn't know much about his elected officials.
But Bryce knows this five or six hundred bucks. No
way you can find a hitman to kill an elected
official for five or six hundred bucks. And I just
(22:07):
kind of like, okay, like like yeah, I'll let you know.
You know what I mean, Like when you hear the
motherfuckers say some bullshit and you're like, yoh, okay, yeah,
I'll get right on it. I got you. Yep. I'm
gonna call you yep, yep. H He's stupid, bro. I'm
gonna hate you though, calling Bro Bryce. He knows something
(22:31):
is very off. So Bryce, as you're probably figuring, doesn't
assassinate Colorad as attorney general or even try to. But
his rhetoric it's troubling. He did talk about killing a politician.
(22:56):
Bryce said, just shoot him as he gets out of
his car. It's on tape, secretly recorded by the FBI.
Offer hope out the car. You know what I mean?
Copy Man. Bryce seemed to have a kind of bloodlust
in his words. Same with zeb Hal. He was like
Bryce talking big, talking about violence, talking about burning the
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whole motherfucker down. I've seen this kind of behavior a lot,
and undercover stings, the targets of the investigation talking and
acting like the undercovers, who are in turn acting like
bad guys terrorists, drug dealers, money launderers, con men, whatever.
Humans have a tendency to mimic the behavior of people
(23:43):
in their social groups. We all do this, some more
than others, but in undercover stings there tends to be
in amplifying effect. The targets of the sting either want
to impress the undercovers or they're scared of the undercover agents,
and so they talk and act more like bad guys.
Bryce is doing this. For example, when Mickey and Red
(24:06):
talked to Bryce about guns, he told him that his
guns were illegal to bolster his image as a badass.
But that isn't true. I was maintaining the image with them.
I bought my ship in the pot stores, so you
know what I mean. I was floating to them. You
know what I mean, I'm gang banging. Whoop whooo, I'm
crips and you ain't got no tattoos, no where fucking worry,
oh my goddamn body. And not that that means anything,
(24:27):
because there's gang members that don't have no tattoos at all.
But I'm not in the gang book. I'm you've never
been arrested like with you know what I mean with people,
You know what I mean for them to profile me
like that and much like that, But I was telling
them that, you know what I mean, I'm thinking again,
these are mercenaries and hit man, so you know I mean,
we talked, We talk and killer talk more or less.
Play Yeah, And then when the motherfucker was like, yeah,
tell me five hundred, I got you. Well, first off,
(24:50):
running in the streets, you're killing a political figure for
way more than that. I'm saying straight up. You know
what I mean, You're killing them somebody big like that
for way more than five hundred dollars, So you do
it a suspicious right away, just because the price was
still out of line, right, Yeah, grossly, you're selling yourself grossly.
That's some MS for an m like that, that's some
(25:12):
MS just being real by ms, Bryce means millions. A
murder like this would cost millions, not five hundred dollars.
After they drive over to the Attorney General's house and
discuss how they might kill him, Bryce never talks to
(25:33):
Mickey or rad again. And they tried to call me
and shit like that, But you know what I mean,
he recognized the number. Shit like that. You just got
to them at that point, bab I wasn't trying to
funk with you to that the degree. In no way
you really trying to do this shit. I'm I'm not
(25:55):
doing this. I know it's not gonna in the way
I wanted to end. Okay, all right, you killed a
couple of our people. All Right, we're gonna change all laws,
give you all reparations. Where Yeah, no, that's not gonna
change anything. That's gonna piss them off more. We're really
gonna start killing black people more. Yeah. I asked Bryce
(26:21):
if he thought what happened to him and what happened
with Mickey's work in Denver, we're all a continuation of
the FBI's history of targeting black political activists. Bryce says, yeah,
just read some history. There's a document you can find
it on the end that you could google it. It's
(26:41):
called the It's called Operation Black Messiah, and it's pretty
much made to prevent the rise of any militant minded,
charismatic black males, any heterosexual, stereotypical blackmails that rise to power, fame, glory, whatever.
You know what I mean. Don't let him get to
(27:01):
the people, don't let them love him too much. They'll
kill for that motherfucker, and therefore they'll turn on our
white asses more or less. You might know what Bryce
is referring to here. There is recently a movie called
Judas and the Black Messiah about the government's involvement in
the killing of Black panther leader Fred Hampton during a raid. Now,
(27:22):
there wasn't an Operation in Black Messiah, per se. What
Bryce is referring to are the co Intel pro operations
under FBI director j Edgar Hoover the ones that infiltrated
and subverted black political groups like doctor Martin Luther King's
organization and the Black Panthers. These programs were meant to
prevent a black Messiah. This was Hoover's term from unifying
(27:44):
black political groups in the United States. Bryce believes that
the government is alt to destroy any increase in black
political action and power. They've done it before and they're
doing it again. It pisses them off. I feel like
America wants us to just be quiet and let it happen.
But that's so Unamerican. Like this country was started by
(28:10):
some motherfuckers who didn't want to pay ten cents, a
thirteen cents or whatever on some tea. They started a
whole fucking a war, separated from their country, their motherland,
over some tea. I'm wrong for wanting I guess as
(28:33):
the government will put it. I'm wrong for wanting to
go to war because you're killing us for no specifics.
Over a twenty dollars tech, over a twenty dollars bill,
over a kid walking, an autistic kid walking down the
street dancing to his music with a mask on because
he's weird like that, I'm wrong for wanting to go
to war because you were killing us for small, egregious reasons.
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I think I'm more American than you, son of a bitches.
Then the FBI is far from done with Bryce, and
they're going to find a new way to draw another
protester into their trap, zeb Hal. At the same time,
Mickey's work for the FBI is slowly metastasizing beyond the
(29:18):
Denver area. Mickey provides the FBI with information about demonstrators
in Colorado Springs. This sets off a whole series of
events that will have big consequences for Mickey. The FBI
launches a new separate investigation in Colorado Springs, where a
young cop is recruited to work with the FBI. She
(29:39):
wears a long wig of pink hair. When you were
marching in the housing march, were you doing that for
Alora Springs Police Department? I was under the authority on
how many other FBI agents were in that, marsh irrespectfully
(30:02):
declined to answer. That's in the next episode, This is
Trojan Hears Season one of Alphabet Boys. Alphabet Boys is
a production of Western Sound and iHeart Podcasts. The show
is reported, written and hosted by me Trevor Aaronson. For
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