Kali Uchis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Angie Martinez in Real Life podcast Today's Guest is a
force of creativity, authenticity, and evolution. Kali Ochies is a
Grammy winning singer and songwriter, and she's known for her
genre defying sound and unapologetic self expression. With roots in
Columbia and Virginia, she's built a global fan base by

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staying true to her unique voice both musically and personally.
Her journey hasn't been easy, but through resilience and vision,
she's created a life and career on her own terms.
And she's got a new project it's called Sincerely. It
comes out May ninth, and Cally is here today.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Weird to hear.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
People talking about you and talk about you with how
people perceive you. That's how we perceive you. Yeah, if
somebody didn't know you, and you like dropped on some
like little island and they were not they didn't know you,
how would you describe you?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I mean, like, for instance, sometimes when I might meet
somebody who doesn't know me and they ask about what
I do or whatever, I'll just I just say I
make music.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah that's so I'll just be like, oh, yeah, I
make music.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I know that this has been a dream for me
since you were young to do this, do you.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Feel like No, Honestly, it wasn't my dream really. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
For me, like when I was young, my dream was
I wanted to be a director. I wanted to make movies. Actually,
I thought I was gonna do more so like dedicate
my life to helping others, maybe to like volunteer work
peace corps like that was kind of like the dreams
that I had. And then really I started making music
because I was trying to like push more in my
video direction. And since I loved music so much and

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I always made music anyway, I was like, Oh, I'm
gonna just make some music videos because I love to incorporate,
you know, mixed media. It was kind of always my thing.
So I was just like, oh, putting music to videos
and being able to express myself that.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So music was secondary at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, it wasn't really what My intention was. Never to
be a singer. I was never you know, it was
just something songwriting something that always came natural to me.
Making art was always something that I just always naturally
did from the start. And but my my actual dream
was I wanted to be a director, and then things
just kind of started taking off with the music naturally.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
And I was I just kind of yeah, definitely my book.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
My bucket list. Really, I just finished writing my first
well I wrote two scripts and one of them is
I'm going to shoot at the end.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Congratulations, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So exciting because it's always been like my thing, like,
even if if it's for whatever small group, like it
is my goal to write create something about creating something
from your own head and then taking it all the
way to fruition to the other side, like come up
with it, write it, get the money, and then shoot
the shit yourself. There's something so cool about sitting in
your room or you know, wherever you write or you create,

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and then making something and then seeing it all the
way without people people interfering with your vision and getting
doing something. So to me, it's always been like a
bucket list thing. Yeah I'm doing that this summer.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So congratulations, thank you, so exciting.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
So i'd imagine for you is a similar kind of
thing because you're a writer. You write, and now you
want to direct and you make music. So i'd imagine
you have the same kind of like I don't know,
when you create like that, it's so like inside your
own world.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I love to be behind the camera. I love
to take pictures of other people. I love to take
videos of other people. I love, like, you know, putting
videos together at any videos and having some type of direction.
I have screenplays as well. I'm hoping to get one
of those in the works, but that's definitely still a dream.
Yeah you write screenplays too, Yeah, yeah, I've always written stories,
Like as long as I can remember, since I was

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really little, I always wrote songs and stories.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
So so definitely still something.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
So where are you at now, like creatively, like the
what is the I don't know what season is this
for you? In terms of your creative space.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's actually a weird time because I feel like I'm
ready for something new and I'm just not entirely there
yet and sure, like what exactly, Like I want to
put my one hundred percent into something because I feel
like I'm always splitting myself into so many pieces. Like
I'm like, I'm working on my I'm working on my album,
and I'm working on another music project at the same
time as my album, and I'm working on you know,

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a Homebody, and I'm working on this and I'm a
new mom and you know, there's so many different huge
that's that's the whole thing already. But yes, splitting myself
into so many pieces. So I'm like, I'm kind of
ready to just to devote myself to one thing at
a time, this next this next season of my life.
And I'm kind of obviously my baby is my number one,

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but what is the other thing that I'm going to
do that's still like this piece of me that I
can just do outside of being your mother, yeah, part
of you, yeah, which I feel is also really important,
like to keep your identity outside of just motherhood, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So trying to figure.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Out that way because normally people they got to go
into it like a dark place of like I've lost
myself into like motherhood before they go back and find
themselves again. But you're clear of that at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I mean, I feel like I definitely went through that too,
But I think it wasn't more It wasn't really so
much about losing an understanding of like what I wanted
to do, because I already had my projects and the works,
and I already was like, you know, I already had
a good chunk of my album done and whatever. It
was more so about just not feeling like myself for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
But baby, you just had this is like a baby's
a year right, Yeah, he's a year old. Okay, this
is you haven't even They say it takes like a
year to even start feeling like yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, a lot of people told me even longer. So
I'm happy that I started have started kind of feeling
like myself again and trying to find, you know, what
is next for me. But I'm just really excited that
I finally wrapped this album. I'm finally able to close
this chapter of my life and kind of move forward
into whatever is the next.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh we're gonna get into all that. Yeah, but to
go back to motherhood. So it's only been a year.
M you. Did you have any type of like postpart
of Yah?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Really, I think.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
But luckily Donald was very supportive and so that was
really helpful. But I did have guys always get that No, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I hear a lot of horror stories about that. So
I'm grateful that he has always been super supportive. But
I also have always had this like strained family relationship,
so it did bring up a lot of sad feelings
of just like, oh, you know, I cut off a
lot of people during my pregnancy, and so just feeling like,
you know, a little bit of sadness that I didn't

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get to share that moment with people that I expected to,
or that things didn't couldn't really play out the way
I would have wanted. But just it's such a weird
time because it's like you're so grateful and you feel
so blessed and you're so happy.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Do you have kids?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I do boys. I have one is my son that
I gave birth, and I have a step son that
I but they're older. But I remember that time when
my kid was little, and it's so funny because if
you would have asked me a year out like you
are right now if I had post part of my
just said no, I didn't. But then I talked to
my friends, who know I have the same best friend

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since I'm in third grade, so she knows me better
than me. But she said to me, she said, no,
you absolutely had postpart We're like, why do you say that.
She's like, you didn't make jokes, say the same way
you would make jokes. You you didn't like She pointed
out all the things that were different to me that
I didn't even realize, probably because I was so consumed and.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
You learning to be a mom, it's such a big deal.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I didn't realize it at the time, but I think
after I definitely went through a period of like you're
trying to like.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Your life completely changes overnight with yeah, and everything changes overnight,
and it's like you nobody, nothing can prepare you for that, really,
And for me, it was like I felt so the
most beautiful that I've ever felt when I was pregnant,
and then after I gave birth, I was just like
I felt gross, Like I was just like looking at
my body, like, you know, you just have this entirely
new body. You just popped a baby out of you.

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So I was just like it went from a very
extreme like I just feel so beautiful and so special
and I'm glowing to like all of a sudden, I
was like I just wasn't feeling myself.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I wasn't you know. It was like looking at myself
in the mirror, like so how long is this going
to take?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
You know?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
And I don't know all of those feelings of just
I don't know that pressure to snap back really fast.
I feel that definitely, Yeah, absolutely, because I had to
be on stage shortly after. I had like a couple
of festivals to do, and I just felt like a
lot of pressure to get back to my old way.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
And I wasn't even necessarily trying, because I'm not like
a diet type of person.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
But it's just weird.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
It was just weird having a whole new body overnight.
Is what it felt like, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Was the people put pressure on you, or you put
asure pressure on yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think like, naturally.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Sometimes you I try to stay away from the internet,
but you know, naturally you will see like body shaming,
like and it doesn't matter. They don't care, Like if
you just had a baby five days ago.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's wild, how dare you?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
I had to do like some type of I think
it was like Latin amas or something, and I was like,
I thought I looked so snatched because.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I had just had a baby.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
So I'm like, for me, like I have bodyes this
more fay at this point because I was just huge,
and so for me, I'm thinking like, oh, I'm so snatched.
And then I've seen like all these people dragging me
like you know, like of course men and boys, and
you know, like a lot of people like just making
comments about like my wait and stuff, and it just
you know, it doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
But I was just like with people defending you because
they had to.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Be Yeah course, yeah, of course there's always gonna be people
like she just had a baby with the hell's run
with y'all. But at the same time, it's like, you know,
it doesn't feel good. But for me, I was just like, Okay,
I'm not gonna let this pressure get to me. I'm
not gonna you know, like oz, I'm picus all the
rage these days. I'm like, I'm not gonna do it.
No think I just don't. I feel like there's gonna
be some type of health stuff later maybe for that,

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and I just like I don't want to play with
that type of stuff, Like I have a kid. I
don't need to do anything that's gonna like potentially make
my time here shorter. So it's not ever that serious
to me, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
The body stuff, I think that's it depends on the
person who. Yeah, yeah, however you feel, but you like
you like to be clean, right, Yeah, I eat healthy.
I try to eat healthy.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like I went through a process during pregnancy definitely where
I became like more holistic and more conscious of the
stuff that I was putting myself around, and so all
of that. I was definitely a big life change for me.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh yeah, for sure, I changed your whole life. But
but then, so okay, so there you have the baby,
you feel in a little out of sorts? Do you snap?
When did you snap out of it? When? Do you?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think really just recently I started feeling like myself again.
I think for a long time I didn't really the
key to that.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I don't know. Maybe it was just you know, time.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Then I went back to work after my son. I've
been on the radio for mad years. Yeah, so that
place was like it was.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Like how much time off? Did you say?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I took a lot of time? Yeah, good, I took
a lot of time. But then when I went back,
it was like I was looking around like the music
had There was no music out that I hadn't heard yet,
so there was new artists. I was like, who is
what are we playing?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
You were in the Yeah, you were in the dark fro.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I was like, in the dark weird and it was
so weird. I felt disconnected from my old life. Yeah,
and so then it took me. I don't remember how long,
but I just remember that feeling of being like trying
to like look like I was back, but I still
felt very disconnected, like it was a different universe, Like
you feel like you're in a different world. That I
remember that feeling. So you're doing good considering you're only

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a year in and you made an album showing up
for interview.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
But like I said, I really don't do as much
work as my team would like me to do because
I'm like, you, guys, if I if I have more
than two things booked for the whole day, for the
whole week that requires me to leave the house without him,
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
No, thank you, no, no, But yeah, that takes a confidence.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, I just feel like it's a lot of studies
a show. Within the first three years, it's important for
the mom to be as active and you know, they
need to really Yeah, the first one to three years,
that's when you're developing the attachment and the secure attachment
so they don't have issues later with their relationships with
other people or with you or whatever. Yeah, and I
have the privilege, you know, I worked really hard so

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that one day when I do become a mom, I
didn't even think. I always tell myself when i'm pregnant,
I'm just gonna be completely out the way. I'm not
gonna work at all. And I went against what I
thought I was gonna do. I ended up working it
during my pregnancy, so I already, you know, broke my
boundary on that. So I just feel like I have
to have boundaries of work, and it's really important for
me and for Don as well. He you know, make

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sure he has boundaries for work. It's really important for us.
And everyone's like, oh, because of y'all's first kid, you're
so d d da da da.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I was doing the second way.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I got care as much.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
But we care a lot about you know, learning to
incorporate him into our lifestyle more. And that can be
hard because obviously we have kind of a chaotic schedule
at times, but for the most part, we try to
be at home. We try to have a consistent routine
on a day to day basis that.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You have two artists as parents, like, we're both.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Very much like.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
We don't really do too much of the industry stuff,
like the celebrity stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
We don't go to parties.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
We don't do We just work and so and speaking
for myself, I'm very careful.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
About like what I choose to do.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Especially I was already was like that, but especially after
my pregnancy and my baby, I'm very very intentional about Okay,
this is worth me being away from my son for
two hours, you know what I'm saying, Like coming to
do this, it's worth it. But I'm not gonna just
be taking every opportunity and taking every chance to leave
the house, because at the end of the day, I
have to weigh in my mind, you know, Okay, I'm

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gonna have to get I need.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
To get home in time to put my son to
bed at least.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I hate like being away from him.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I have to bring him with me.
If I can't bring him with me somewhere, then I
have to do it from home. I do pretty much
all of my work from home, or I take or
we take him.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
With us whether we go. Yeah, must be so cute.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, you're very private. You don't shore interview, but you
have made this not to She I just had a
shocking young She just became a new mom too. Yeah,
and she said the same thing. She's like I just
want to hold on to him for us for as
long as possible.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I think that's the thing is.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think a lot of times once you share things
to the internet, it's not just it's kind of like
public property now, and I just kids aren't public property,
and I feel like kids shouldn't. My personal opinion, I
don't feel like kids should be online.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
But that's just my take.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
People don't talk a lot about the co parenting, Like
I don't know, when you're young and you're a young girl,
they're always.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Like, find a good partner, a good husband, But they
don't talk about, like, find a good co parent, somebody
that parents like you, or somebody that you want to
parent the same.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Because that could cause a lot of problems for people.
If you like, if you're like I want to be
with them all the time and your partner is like
they need to be know what it feels like to
be alone, independent, independent, or whatever, like or if we.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Had different ideas about posting the Let's say I wanted
to post him and I didn't, you know the issue,
But we feel the same way about a lot of things.
We share a lot of the same values and a
lot of the same core principles of the type of
parenting that we have, so that that really hasn't been
issue thankfully.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you chose, you chose good. Not everybody does that. Yeah.
So how has this affected the music?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Like?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Is do we? I don't know? Does it change when
you're creating and with the music?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Sounds like I would say the only thing that really
has changes that I am able to feel deeper. I'm
more in touch. I feel like with my emotions than ever.
And I think, honestly, before my baby, there was a
lot of times where I was thinking of just like
giving up or I didn't even want to do this anymore. Yeah,

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I didn't feel fulfilled, I didn't feel happy. A lot
of times I felt like I was going through the motions.
I felt like why, you know, like I really started
doing this because it was a passion, and then I
felt like a lot of the fun was taken out
of it, and I was like, why am I doing
something that it's not fun anymore?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
This isn't fun for me anymore?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Like it got it went too far, you know, like
kind of like I told you, I don't even expect
for things to get that that far.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Did you feel not in control of it.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Like I think like the pressure of people like wanting
me to become bigger, wanting me to become like some
type of pop star, or like wanting things to like
now having to think about like selling, Like I hate
selling things, and I really don't like after this. I
don't even That's why I told you, Like I'm in

(16:38):
a place where I'm like trying to figure out what
am I going to dedicate myself to after this besides
my son, because I'm just kind of already just kind.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Of like.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
The whole idea of like just having to like sell
and promote something is kind of like.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh my god, what's on you? Cancer?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm a cancer? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I just hate it's so hard because it's like you
have to it's almost like cheapening.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I just love to make art, Yeah, I just love
to make music. And I think that y'all are the pressures.
And then like the fandoms and then like the outside
people picking you apart and picking your relationship and your friend.
It's too much, you know, And so I just I
was just like, this isn't fun.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
But but do you still love making music?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I love making music, I love making art. I love creating.
I love seeing things. I feel like it's just part
of who I am.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
You don't love the fame of it?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I think, yeah, no, yeah, I just that's my outlet.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Like I just naturally when I'm whatever I go through,
I feel like it's part of who I am to
use my art and whatever it is that I make
to kind of get through whatever it is that I'm
going through and make some type of beauty out of
whatever pain or whatever stresses or whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's like it's my relief.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
So because a lot of people will be like I
used to, like, how did you even find time to
finish this album? With becoming a new mom, with doing this,
with doing that I would do, and all the things
that you do, I'm like, honestly, it's it's just kind
of second nature to me. I'm just that's part of
just who I am. It's like reading to me. I
don't have to think about it so much. It's the
least complicated part of my life.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I get that the creative is supernatural. It's the business
and the fame of it that doesn't really sit natural
for you.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think, yeah, but I definitely had to.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
That's why I say, after I got pregnant, and I
disconnected myself from the Internet because I realized I can't
let things control my feelings anymore. Like I have a
baby growing inside me. I can't see something that's going
to stress me out. I can't give anything that type
of power over so, you know, like I'm going to baby.
So I was like, I literally can't see anything. So

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I deleted everything off my phone. Wow, I only had Instagram.
I turned all my messages off, I turned all my
c like I couldn't like nobody could reach me type
of thing. If somebody, you know, whatever people did, somebody's
just respectful to me, can't talk to you anymore because
anybody who could try to like make me feel that
type of way during the most vulnerable time in my

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life pregnancy and postpartum.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
To me, that was just like a big like.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
No, I don't blame you.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
So are you back on socials and stuff? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
So now you know now that we're doing the So
I kept Instagram. Instagram was where I saw like the
body shaming and stuff. I recently just got TikTok back
because of the album. But I'm gonna lose it again,
you know, after diving.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
So no, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I really literally just post and go. Sometimes I respond
to a couple of fans just to show love back.
A lot of them are like, Kelly, do lives again?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Talk to us again?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
More like they feel like I cut them off, you know,
and they feel like, oh, did we do something? Is
she mad at her fan base or whatever?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
You know, And.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm like, no, nobody, you guys didn't do anything. It's
just like it's literally just for my mental health. Like
at the end of the day, I'm somebody's mom. Now
I can't be like I'm too grown to be sitting
here like chronically online the way that I used to be,
you know what I mean, Like I have way too
much other stuff going on, and I have to be
like in a good headspace so that I can focus
on my child and on the task at hand and

(20:09):
like stay you know, eyes on the prize and not
be worried about outside noise.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yea, What is your relationship like with your fans?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Like how I used to talk to them a lot online? Right,
Like I had Twitter. I used to do like the
little chats with them on Twitter. I used to get
on Instagram live. I used to be on TikTok Live.
I used to do all of that stuff, and now
I'm trying to just be more creative with the way
that I engage with them. Like I'm doing these mailboxes
where we leave the mailboxes in different cities and I

(20:38):
have like a snippet and they unlock it and they
can leave letters for me there and I'm gonna post
their letters and more like you know, like like a
og way of interacting, like kind of like a before
social media type of way of how people could interact
with their fans. Also, you know, when we announce the tour,
then I'm gonna be able to see them in person

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and stuff more.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
But yeah, I think it's more so.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Like how are you going to do with tour? You
have to take the baby everywhere, right, You're gonna have
to take the baby.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, he's gonna come, which he did already for his
dad's tours.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
So yeah, but it's great. He loved it.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
He loved just like seeing new things every day and
the trucks and they'll show.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You some videos.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, he said, it is a great age.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah. Yeah, he's beautiful. I'm just like in all of
him every day. Both of us are obsessed with him really, yeah,
like the first thing we do when we wake up
is just play with him and just it's the first.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
You said it's been a year, and how happy you
guys were.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, we're we are obsessed with him.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
But doesn't it make your partnership or your relationship It
just bonds you in a different way.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
For us, it did. For us, it did.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I know there's a lot of people and I have
a lot of friends who they experienced the opposite, where
they were like, oh, you know, having a baby made
them go different directions because they didn't have you know,
they might have had quarrels about parents or whatever the
case may be. For us, it did the opposite. I
feel like it brought us closer, thankfully.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So that's amazing. Are you going to do more?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
I do? Yeah, yeah, maybe like two, three more.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
We'll see what.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
That means.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
It wasn't that he's just so perfect that we're like,
how can we not have some more?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I write so musically so sincerely. It's such a sweet
neighbor now, but yeah, yes, it's just I don't know,
it's just simple but sweet and honest. It feels like
it'll be honest, like what is the what is the okay?

Speaker 3 (22:38):
So for me, I felt like a lot of times
when I write, I end up writing from kind of
a perspective of like I'm really speaking to the person
that I'm writing to or whatever, right, So that was
kind of one perspective of it.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
The other perspective was, obviously, that is the.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Most raw, it's the most vulnerable, is the most honest.
So I felt like sincerely, you know, made sense for that.
And then lastly, I try to look for kind of
kind of clues to know that I'm on the right path.
And I was listening to this one Brenda Lee's song
a lot, a lot, a lot, and then I listened

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to this other song by her and her the album
is called Sincerely, and I had already named the album Sincerely.
I was like, oh, I didn't even know that she
had a song called sincerely. I always love that it
sounded like nostalgic, like a nostalgic title, and she had
one called sincerely Brenda Lee, and I was like, oh,
I thought, yeah, that that might be a sign.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Do you believe in that, like because I look for
them all the.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Time, Yeah, I do. I do look for science.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I look for science all the time. I feel like
like if we said the same thing at the same time,
I feel like, oh, this is exactly where I'm supposed
to be. Or if I was just talking about something
and somebody says that something, I'm like, Oh, I'm sitting
exactly where I'm supposed to be, Like I'm whatever train
I'm supposed to be on.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I feel in the right Yeah, I feel like there
are definitely little clues that will show you that you're
going in the right direction. And I pray a lot.
I don't pray for particular things. I mostly pray for
God to guide me in the right direction, keep me
on the path that I'm meant to be on. And
I feel like when I pray for that, more than
I pray for like something particular, I can always just

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know that I'm, you know, gonna.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
End up where I need to be. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, And then I mean, the album is dedicated to
my mom and something that was after my mom passed
something pretty much one of the last things that I
got left from her was letters that she wrote to me.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
So that was.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Another reason why I called it that Oh baby, I'm
so sorry, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
How much I don't know clearly it has. It's impacted
in terms of like where you are creatively. I'm sure
that has had a lot to do with the challenge
of some of the journey of this past year. No,
she passed right, yeah to thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
So, yeah, she was diagnosed with stage for lung cancer
while I was pregnant. Oh yeah, so it was kind
of just like.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Were you guys close?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
We had actually a year prior just started working on
our relationship. We had a pretty strained relationship growing up,
but she did always love me. I always loved her,
and we always wanted to work on our relationship and
we finally were able to.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And then yeah, what a blessing that you were able
to Yeah, we were able to.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Do that, and we were able to really like, you know,
something a lot of people from her generation can't do
is like take accountability and.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Really like you.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, she was actually able to be like, you know what,
I'm sorry and I made mistakes, but I love you
and I want to work on things.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Wow we did. Yeah, we did. That is about that. Yeah,
it's really hard for.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Them and that was before her diagnosis, so it's not
like she knew that she was running out of time.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Or anything. She just did it on her own accord.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So what a blessing that you were able to have
that because at least you, you know, some people don't.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Some people don't regret.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, gosh, I wish I would have.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, And I still I definitely still have regrets just
because it's like, you know, a lot of lost time
because of everything. But I am really grateful. A lot
of people don't get to at least say that goodbyes
on good terms and we got that.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
And what was the thing that you learned? Like what
was the thing that you misunderstood about your mom or
that she misunderstood? Like what was the rift? And like
how did that happen?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, I've never I've never talked about really like the
reasons behind it because it's really personal. But I think
that's something that I learned that really helped me move
past everything, was to understand that my mom really was
just she really was a victim and a lot of women,

(26:51):
a lot of girls, I want to say, when I
was little, I didn't realize how much my mom was
actually going through and how much she was facing and
stuff for and I just looked at, you know, my
needs because I was a kid, and I think growing
up and looking back and realizing how much she actually
did go through and things that I didn't even know

(27:11):
that we're going on, and why she couldn't necessarily, you know,
why I might not have understand why she did certain
things or why she allows certain things to happen. I
was able to forgive and accept and and move forward
and say, you know what, like, you know, she she
went through a lot. Yeah, she went through a lot,
and and yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
How healing is that when your mom after the all
that time says apologizes.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, it was really great, I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Really away or did it take time?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
It took time. It did take time. We did talk
for a while about everything, and you know, she went
We went back and forth a lot, and she was
she was here, she wasn't she was Yeah, she was.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Living in Columbia. Yeah we were.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
We were doing phone calls actually, but but yeah, at
the end of at the ends of everything before I
got pregnant, we were able to mend our relationship. And
so yeah, after I got pregnant, I was just so
happy because I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going into
this pregnancy like with my mother, wound healed, you know,

(28:18):
like because I always felt that I did have those wounds,
like and wow, and yeah, thankfully she was able to
meet my son and she was able to spend time
with him.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Woman.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, she was able to to get to know him,
and we would call with her.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Every day, talk with her birthday.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, yes, really recent, like right before his birthday basically.
So yeah, she she almost made it to his first birthday.
So she made it together.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah. Yeah, they have pictures.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Together, and she was really happy that that she was
able to do that. And I put we have scrap
books for him, so I put her picture big and
his scrap book and wrote something about her there for him,
and you know, can always remember at least from that.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
And have those moments.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Does this show up in the music, I would imagine,
you said your music is like.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, well, it's weird because I feel like when somebody
close to you is sick for that amount of time,
you're kind of like grieving them before they're even gone.
And obviously I was very much hoping that she was
gonna make.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
It, but.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Also hurt, Like it's hurt. It's really hurts a lot
to like see somebody be in and out of the hospital.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And like you know.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
That beyond that ride with them and have to see yeah,
I have to see like them suffering like that.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's really hard. And I was pregnant and so it
was just a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
That is a lot. No wonder, baby, no wonder.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, it was a lot, and I was working, so
it's like on top of that, it was like all
those things going on at once, and I was just
like music was kind of really just my like I said,
like my relief out of this, out of you know,
the things that I was going through in my daily life,
and my way to just kind of escape. And it's
actually really weird because the first song on the album

(30:14):
was the first song that I wrote when I first
started working on the project, and it was before I
even knew that I was pregnant. It was before that
my mom got her diagnosis or anything. And later when
I listened back to the lyrics, it like tied in
full circle with what I was going through later that
I didn't even realize that I was gonna go through later,

(30:35):
and it was like the music was was what I
needed because on the lyrics, I talk about stay away
from my baby, stay away from my home. At that time,
I didn't even know I was gonna have a baby.
And then I talk about looking look into the clouds
and see a smiling face and it gives me hope.
And now for me, like that's her.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh baby, you want to give a second. How have
you been like managing the beef? Are you? Are you
talking to anybody?

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Like?

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, I know you have music, but.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, I mean it's a it's a journey, Like it's
a day wide day journey. You know, some things are
easier than others. But I feel like I feel like,
you know, being being human.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Hurts, and it hurts because we love and the things
and the people that we love can be taken from
us at any time. And for me, I feel like
it's important to feel that pain and like how to
get through it, to let yourself feel it. And I
feel like so many people have a pain avoidance and

(31:50):
like we live in a society that's very much like
you know, we're just all kind of trying to avoid.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Self medicating in some way.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
For me, I try to just I'm trying to just
like because it's really hard, you know, I still haven't
really talked about it to too many people, like only
people are really close to me, know, and because it's
just you know, you try to just be like, oh,

(32:20):
everything's okay, I'm fine, you know, everything's cool. But I'm
kind of learning now that it's okay to be like,
you know what, like I'm not okay right now and
it sucks, but I'm gonna get through it cause I
can't embrace it rather than just like acting like I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think it's very generous of you too to share
this moment of your truth with your fans. You talked
about your fans being like why don't you talk to
us or anything? But the truth is, it's like this
is like offering that You're like, this is who I am,
this is what I'm feeling right now. There's no You're like,
I don't know. I just feel like you being this
vulnerable is almost an offering in a way to let

(32:59):
them into to get to know you and to know
your journey.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
And yeah, I mean, I just I just have to
be honest about where I'm at in my life. And
I feel like, more than anything, it's just weird to
n pretend, like, you know, to not talk about her
when you or to not act like it didn't have
such a you know, it's a big life altering event,
like becoming a mom and losing your mom at the

(33:24):
same time, they're both two huge life altering events.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
So I really can't pretend that it didn't have an
impact on me.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
And you know, also having had a strained relationship for
so long, like that does hurt too, because you do
have regrets about like the lost time and the what
could have been, And I feel like just kind of
accepting that and being honest about it. And also I

(33:52):
want to talk about a little bit about like lung
cancer and my mom wasn't a smoker.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Wow, I know people too, Yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Lot of women.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Actually, women are like more predisposition to have lung cancer
than men because of all the stuff that we expose
ourselves to.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
This probably has a lot to do with why you're
taking care.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Of Yeah, so that was why, Like it was like
I became pregnant and my mom was, you know, diagnosed
with stage four. I never my mom, Like she ate healthy,
she didn't smoke, she wasn't really a drinker. She was
like the last person that I would have expected to
get lung cancer, you know. So yeah, yeah, so so Yeah,
I mean, I think it's worth talking about because I

(34:30):
think a lot of people don't realize that the environmental
factors and also all the stuff that we expose ourselves
to as women, even which is like everyday stuff that
we do, has an impact on us and it builds up.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
How is like this everything you've learned from this experience
of like making amends with your mom and learning she
was also a victim and had her own you know,
traumas and things. Yeah, how has that full? I don't
know that circle in formed how you parent, like you
as a mom, Like how is Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I mean I parent really different to how my parents parented.
And I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Know, it's just I'm I'm just very I'm naturally very
very different from them. My my mom, it was really
hard for her, like with me growing up, Like it
was really hard for her to show love. It was
really hard for her to show affection. I'm the opposite. Like,
I'm very very affectionate with my child. I'm always telling

(35:33):
him I love him, I'm always giving him caisses, I'm
always giving him hugs, And I don't know, it's just
naturally there, Like I said, it's like as a kid,
I used to have resentmentors that like, you know, why
doesn't why doesn't she treat me like how I see
other people smat whatever. But then as I grew up,
I realized, like, wow, that must have been hard for her.
You know, you have you start having grace when you

(35:54):
grow up, and you're like, that must have been hard
for her to not be able to express or feel
those things, or you know, to have grown up that way.
That she also didn't receive that from her parents, And
that's all yeah, exactly, like yeah, exactly, So, yeah, you
just learn as you get older to give grace to
your parents and to kind of accepting for what they

(36:15):
are and just learn to not continue the cycle and
to like break that. You know, what about your dad,
he grew up, He grew up really really differently, so
it was it was hard for him as well kind
of to understand how to be that because his parents,
like my grandma, she had so many kids and my

(36:38):
dad ended up living in the streets because she couldn't
take care of any of them, and my grandpa I
never met him because he was like really abusive. So
my dad pretty much lived in the streets since he
was really little Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
So he like, from his perspective, you know, everything was
like very He's like, oh have it easy? Yeah yeah yeah,
so yeah. So they both had really hard childhoods and
so you know, you try to give grace.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
How did you get to be so like loving and
artistic and creative?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
And I think for me that I also grew up
in a household full of other family members. You know,
my sister helped raise me. At one point, my aunt
helped raise me. It was like I had other people
in my life, So it wasn't it wasn't like I
only had them.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
But I don't know, I just kind of always been
my own person. I'm very different from my siblings as well.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And you got like a little like God gave you
that little creative.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
My mom actually told me when we had our conversation
where we like, you know, we're able to get past everything.
She told me she was like she was like, I
I should have realized that that because she was like,
I noticed that you were different from my other kids,
Like you were always more sensitive than them, You were
always more empathetic than them, Like I should.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Have known that you needed more like care and love
than they did, and she's probably not realizing they needed
just as much care and love.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
But her other kids, they're more like her in the
sense were like they're very like move forward with everything.
They don't really show too much emotion.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
They kind of just want to like get you know,
the pain avoidance. Like I said, like they just kind
of like, okay, that's all we're leaving in the past.
Da Da is very hard.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Was she proud of you? She must be.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, she was proud. She was super proud. But she
was a very very simple person. So she wasn't proud
for the reasons why like maybe other people's parents would
have been. Like she didn't really care too much about
money or any of this stuff. Yeah, she was more
so like she was proud that I have a family,
and she was proud that things were good with you know,

(38:52):
me and my man, and that my baby is healthy
and beautiful, and that my home, and.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
She was proud of those type of things. She didn't
really care too much about the other stuff or anything.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
No, No, she was like, let me see the grammy.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They didn't care too much.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
No, they didn't care too much about those type of
things at all. She was just My mom was just
a very simple lady. She likes simple stuff. If I
would try to take her shopping, I'll be like.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Mom, get this cold? Like this expensive?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Like did She'd be like, no, no, that's too much
that I can't be walking around with that.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
No.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
No, she always choose like, you know, the most simple,
like humble thing that she could choose. She she don't.
She didn't really like flashy stuff or.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
You know, industry stuff. She wasn't into that.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I'm so happy for you that you had that time
with her.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, me too. Yeah, I'm very grateful for that.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Do you want to get I feel like this she
was killing you, Like, let.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Me get that out of.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Back care.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Oh baby, Yeah, life is tough. Yeah, you're doing amazing. Consent.
You were like like underplane, like, yeah, you're not a
little postpartum in my body, but no, baby, you were
going through a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
That definitely contributed to my postpartum for sure.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Of course, your whole world is different, Yeah, of course,
but you seem to be okay. Some people that can
make them can make people angry.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I want to I want to say that I'm angry.
I would just say that some like how I said,
like some days are harder than others. Like some days
I think I just learned how I told you, Like
to take it easy on myself, don't try to do
too much.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Enjoy my baby. Enjoy that.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Now, break the generational curses. My mom had to go
straight back to work. I don't have to do that,
So take advantage of that. I have done enough work
that if I want to, I don't have to do anything.
I can just sit at home my baby if I
wanted to. I'm choosing to do this stuff because I
want to follow through with the project that I've been

(40:54):
working on. And you know, but you know, when I
want to, I can always just pick and choose the
things that matter to me most. And I don't have
to overextend myself.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And you do have that, and you've always had. You
have this air of like you're not pressed, Like you
have an air of like, yes, I'm an artist. You
know some artists you could you could almost feel how
badly they want something. You can always feel like you
know everything they do or how they present themselves is
like you could tell. You just have an air of

(41:24):
like you're not pressed about it.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's funny because I talk to a therapist. And she
has other clients who are artists, and she says that
to you. She's always like, you know, my other artists clients,
they always want to talk about like issue like creative
issues or issues that they're having breaking through into this
or doing this or doing that with their job. And
she's like, we never talk about She's like, my stuff
is like always, like I said, my work, my art,

(41:47):
it's the least complicated part of my life, Like it's
the part where I just get to be free express myself.
The other parts of my life are the parts where
I'm like, things can get more complicated.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
But I love that you're doing therapy. Yeah. Is that
helping you with the grief?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, yeah it is. It has been super helpful. I
think in general, I think, you know, I believe that
everyone should have access to therapy because I just feel like,
you know, everybody, everybody is capable to do a little
bit of work on themselves and what.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Was your because I feel like everybody even though I
could tell you like I have like I love therapy,
even if I'm everything's good in my life, I still
do it.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
To me, it's like you don't want to only do
it when you're in a crisis.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
No, sometimes and I like my therapy, so I think
she's smart. So sometimes it's going to bounce an idea
or tell us something I did and I'm like, what
do you make of that? And now she knows me, So.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It's like an easy She's kind of like a life coach.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Like a life is basically like that. But I also
have moments in my life where I could be like,
oh I got that from therapy. Oh I learned this
about myself from therapy. Like the things that a couple
of times where I had to pivot in my life
is because something was pointed out to me about how
I was behaving or doing. You know. So I just
wonder if you have any of those in your life
where it's something that you learned about yourself in therapy
that changed your life.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
You know what I did, but it's really personal, but
I will say that it was really important for me, Like,
especially going into becoming a mother, I was I really
just wanted to heal.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I didn't want to go into.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Becoming a mother with like these wounds and carry that
on into that was like my biggest fear was to
carry that on into my own motherhood and I feel
like I have. Yeah, I feel like I definitely am
you know, on my own path and all of that, but.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know, there's always more work to be done.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
And yeah, I never felt that I had really a
woman mentor in my life that I could talk like
how you said that you like to bounce ideas off
of her my therapist. She's a woman too, and she's
older than me, so I feel like I can I
can kind of check it with her and be like,
is this crazy? Am I being a rational to think this?

(43:59):
And shook kind of like, you know, bounce off. She'd
be like, well maybe, because you know, I've never had
a mentor. And I feel like, as women, it is
important for us to have a woman that we can
talk to for sure, that that can kind of give
us insight into into things that we might not have
thought of our our on our own.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
You know, why do you have no mentors this?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I don't know. I've never had one like you need some,
I know, right.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I don't know that don't do what you do, but
but I'm older than you. I'll give you my number
of you. Ever, there's not much I haven't seen or
been through in this world or business. So there's ever anything,
I appreciate it and that to you. Because I'm coming up,
I didn't really have too many either. I had a
lot of influences, yeah, like oh she's dope, but not
like in my personal life where I could pick up

(44:45):
the phone and be like is this crazy? People are
treating me this way? And I don't, like, you know,
just just the things that we go through and think about.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, definitely, I think it's important.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
It's so important. Do you have young people that look
to you for that? Because people love you by the way,
I mean, I've seen like Sizza and JT. I feel
like there's a community of women. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah. I then I have like my friends.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I have my friends that you know that are also
in the industry that make music, that we talk and everything.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
But I don't I can't burden them with like my life,
you know.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I just I'm just that type of person where I
don't like to really bother people with my problems. So
I'm like her, I'm like, I pay her to be
bothered with my problems. So I'm like, Okay, I can
do it over here. But yeah, part of why I
do that is so that I don't have to like
go venting to my other friends, you know what I mean,
because I feel.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Like it's too I don't want to like dump that
on them, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I like so when I hang out my friends, just
be able to have a good time, have fun, relax,
like take.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
The edge off. Don't be just like, oh, you know,
dropping all my stuff on that and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, of course, but it's okay sometimes though.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
You know, yeah, sometimes it is.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
But you ever seem like like people really connect to you,
Like I don't know, are you like a girl's girl?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Like I feel like I say that I am. All
of my friends are girls. I'm definitely not one of
the guys type of girls.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Never been.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
But but yeah, it's nice.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's community though, How does that because you have a
lot of artist friends too, right, Yeah, I'm missing somebody
that I was trying to think of it just now
that I saw a posted something Summer Summer are you
friends with Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Me and Summer Cool. Yeah, we went to dinner the
other day. She's a really sweet girl. I like to Yeah,
I keep in touch with all the girls. But you know,
everybody has their own life, so you don't want to
bother anybody too much, but it's nice to remember sometimes, like, yeah,
the love that's out there. Like we went to Coachella
last weekend and it was just cool because I was like,
you know, walking around and everybody be like, you know,

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respect like being super respectful. I love you so much,
You're so beautiful. I love your work, and I'm like, oh,
there's really so much love out here. Like everybody was
just being very respectful and loving and sweet, and it
felt like very genuine, Like everybody was just being really genuine.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
And sometimes when you because I haven't been outside really
in a type of space and that type.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Of space, like I haven't done really shows or anything
like that. I just do those couple of festivals, but
I can't speak to anybody like that. So it was
nice to be to kind of in passing with people
that are feel alone, you know, and you know that
we're kind So that's dope.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Are you going to be doing shows and stuff?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Are you playing?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Where?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, we're gonna announce it after, you know, after the album,
but it's in the works, So that's exciting.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I love that for you. Yeah, we have some in
real life questions. I'm gonna ask you. Yeah, I know
that was good, right, She didn't even know that was
my in real life question. That's one of my one
of my in real life what is it? What do
you pray foremost?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I will say, yes, how I said, I pray forgot
to keep me on my path and guide me in
the right.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Direction, way to go right, God's going to strike.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I also, yeah, I pray, you know, for my family's health.
I pray for my baby. The first thing that I
always pray for is my baby, and then you know
the rest of the family, everyone, I pray for the world.
I pray for my relationship. I pray over us all
the time because obviously this pray together we do.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
We do. We pray together.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
They say, you know the family that pray, we do
pray together.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I think just finding a balance between how I said,
like being able to just silence all of the outside
noise and stay focused on you know, we're just real people.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah. I know you're very protective and private of your relationship,
the same way of your baby, which I totally get
to understand. But what have you learned about yourself in
terms of like love or being in a relationship or
what that takes or what have you learned from this relationship?
Hm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I would say that I've learned. Yeah, I've learned that
privacy is really really important.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Is it because of you're afraid of outside?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
And I think the main thing is, yeah, be like
not like not letting outside noise affects the relationship because
it's especially that you know, we're both in the public eye.
So of course I understand that people naturally like be
curious and be you know, start digging or be inquisitive
or start throwing things here and there, and it's like

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it can just get a little bit. You have to
be able to be like, Okay, online is not real life.
You have to understand that the internet is in real
life and you have to look at what's in front
of you and like our every day like we're regular
everyday people.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
We get up, we play with our son, we go
run errands, we go to the park, we do normal
stuff on a day to day basis.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So I grow up in a relation you didn't grow
up with the most like somebody who showed you how
to yeah, be in a healthy relationship.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, I never had that example, but I think that,
you know, I really don't know pretty much. I don't
know really anyway. Maybe I know my friends, one of
my friend's parents, they seem like they have a healthy,
you know, standing relationship, long time marriage. But yeah, I

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never really saw that, and you know, neither did he.
So we're just figuring it out day by day. And
the most important thing is, you know, keeping it healthy
and keeping it you know, checking in with each other constantly.
I feel like that's the most important thing really, besides
the balance and keeping the outside noise in.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I think it's checking in with each other always.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, you know, he always checks in with me, make
sure I'm okay, how am I feeling, and vice versa.
I think as long as two people are doing that
and just being like openly communicating, that's the most important part.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
That is really important.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, and then once a baby gets thrown in the mix, obviously,
like you gotta still find time for their relationship because.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Baby takes up so much of the of the time now.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
So yeah, making sure that we still have those those
date nights and the time for just us to, like
I said, do normal stuff. It's super important, really really
important to us just having a healthy, normal, balanced relationship.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Look at you you know, healthy therapy, doing therapy, healing.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, trying to balance all of these things.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, I think you're doing amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I think you're doing amazing. I can't wait to hear
this new music because none of your music doesn't stay
in one pocket.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
No, this is your third English album.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, but I would say it's my most cohesive body
of work.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I would say that, what do you mean.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
In the sense that the songs all kind of fit
more hm thematically, They kind of fit more one tone
and musically versus like like Godias for instance, it was
like so, you know, it was so many different genres.

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There was there was a Roo, there was you know,
all types of different sounds, and then this one it
feels a lot more cohesive.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Is there anything anything Spanish on.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
There isn't, but on the Delexe there is, Yeah, on
the Deluxe there's some Spanish.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
You feel more comfortable in which pocket?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I think?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
I wouldn't say I'm more comfortable in either one, but
I would say I would say that I do feel
that writing in English versus writing and Spanish, I kind
of take on a different energy. I will say, really, Yeah,
I would say that, Yeah, but it's the same as if,

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like if we were to be doing this interview in Spanish,
it would it would have a different energy.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
You would be so mad because my Spanish is so bad.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Really, yes, it's terrible, but I feel like people speak
Spanish in New York.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
They do.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
We speak Spanglish, okay, because here out here nobody wants
to speak Spanish, and that's why it's so hard to
be consistent with My.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Spanish is just bad. But I understand taking a different
energy because it's so funny. My friends just make fun
of me because when I grew up in an English
speaking house, everybody know how to speak Spanish, but they
spoke English to me, so it wasn't a natural thing
for me to speak Spanish. But the only person that
spoke Spanish to me was my great grandfather. Right, So
as I started getting older, every time I would try

(53:21):
to talk Spanish or I was forced to speak in Spanish,
I would put this like persona of like an old man,
like my voice, I swear to God, Like what what voice?
Where did you go? Like? My boys? Get deep?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I took like a whole you were channeling grandfather. That's funny,
I was.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I will yeah, funny, Well, your son no Spanish? Will
you teach him?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, he already knows he does. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Fully, he's blowing past me.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Most of his books is like Spanish and English book really, yeah,
he learns everything.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Word.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
When I teach him something, I'll be like, you know,
out of a car, horsewid you know, it's always like
the both both of the words.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Amazing, lucky kid.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, he's so smart.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I would imagine that people try to put you in
a box with that too, because there's so much like
you know, you look at the success of Bad Bunny
and just Latin music globally now and what it's doing,
and they see you and they're like, oh, she should.
I'm just she should whatever the thing is. Yeah, I
feel like people probably have expectations or what they think
you should be at all times.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, I mean I think it's always been that's definitely
always been something that's been hard for people to understand.
I think duality in general is hard for people to
wrap their heads around because there's really nobody else doing it,
like me, Like, there just isn't you know, there's nobody
making an English album and a Spanish album and They're
just completely Like it's like if people make a Spanish

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almost like a Spanish version of English album or vice versa. Yeah,
it's nobody who is having that duality is nobody. So
it's like from the beginning of when I started making music,
I think there was a lit of confusion and gray
area around, like, so what is she? She collect me
in the she American? They don't understand like that you
can be both.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Both, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Did you always feel like both? Do you ever feel
like it? Definitely one.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I definitely always felt both.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
It wasn't until I started realizing like people had such
a problem with that that I was like, oh, like what,
like am I am?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I Like, no, I am, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Like, So, I think just you know, embracing who you
are and not letting yourself get I think people just
kind of want to wash out, you know, who we
are a lot so that we can fit into one box.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
They want to package you.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, And for me, it's always been so important to
just stay true to who I am and don't let
any of the you know, the this and the that,
whether it be people in the industry, whether it be
people that.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Just online whatever matter or whatever to make me feel
like I have to just stay to one thing.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
I'm like, oh no, I'm gonna be too doing both,
even when I like Okay, So my first full length album, Isolation,
it was in English, but it had a song in
Spanish on it, so some people knew me for that.
And then when I did Teeniello, there was some English
fans that were like mad because they're.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Like, what is she doing. She's supposed to do something
like Isolation.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
And then you know, they were like, oh, she's trying
to cater to like a Latin audience now because whatever,
like you know, coming up with all this stuff. And
it's like, no, actually I can just do both, and
so I will. And then when I came out my
next album in English, then it's like, oh, but we
want you know. It's like there's just always both sides
of the table and it's always gonna be people asking

(56:41):
for one or the other. We like this better, we
like that better. But the thing is, when you can
do more than one thing, I just feel like there's
like God gave me that for a reason. God didn't
give me my duality for no reason. God didn't make
me bi cultural for no reason or bilingual for no reason.
Why should I only do one? Why should I only
do Spanish? Why should I only do English?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
One?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I can do both. To me, that would be an
insult to God, because like I was given that and
I was born that way, and not everybody can do it.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yes, that is the one thing, right, Like, whoever you are,
whatever he gives you, you're supposed to honor that you're
not supposed to.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
And when I started making Spanish music, everybody was like,
what the hell is this?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Why is she doing Spanish music?

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Because I started that from my first album I did.
I did a remix of one of the songs Tyran,
I did whatever. I was doing little things here and there,
and everybody was like, hmm, this isn't gonna go sweetie, because.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
The Spanglish music stuff is not a thing.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
And then now everybody's doing Spanish music, so it's like, yeah,
I don't know. I'm just very adamant to other young
artists on like do you be you do what you
want to do. A lot of there's a lot of
for instance, like Latinos in the United States that just
make music Spanish speaking music because they feel that they

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can't excel or succeed in an Anglo market because they're
Latino or whatever. And they've come to me and they've said, like,
how do you know? I want to be able to
make an English album too, but my label tells me
I have to just keep going with the Spanish music
or whatever the case. And I just always tell people like,
just do what you want to do. You just do
what you want to do, because you're you're whoever, you're

(58:20):
a team or your whatever it is, whatever person is
telling you to stick to just one thing. I think,
you know, it's their job to think about how something
is going to be marketable, profitable, whatever. It's your job
to be an artist. So yeah, be an artist. Yeah, exactly,

(58:40):
Just do just be creative and do what you want.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I think you got to also honor, Like I don't know,
I think creativity is like a gift, right, So absolutely,
It's like if you have disability and you've given this stuff,
it's like you have to honor what is Yeah, not
trying to be like, okay, let me take it in
package it One of my favorite Quincy Jones things quotes
he was talking about he did an interview, and he
said that he would not like people in the room

(59:03):
that we're talking about money, because he said, soon as
you start talking about money in the studio, godwalk, God walks.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah yeah, or people that are meeting in the studio like,
all right, we gotta make this number one, We got
to make this hit, we gotta make this whatever. I think,
as soon as you just put yourself in that headspace,
it's all.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Being done for the reasons. Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
All right, let's go our real life question. Okay, ready,
in real life, how happy are you? Like I'm scared
on a scale of one to ten, every episode.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I would say I'm pretty happy, I would say. Generally speaking,
i would say I'm.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
On an eight. Really, yeah, that's ampassing.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, up and down a year. And the fact that
you could find that happiness in your life is amum,
still happy every day.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
So I said, some days are better than others, some days
are easier than others. But at the end of the day,
I'm still grateful. Like I'm really grateful. My life really
could have took a turn for the worst. It could
be in a way worse place than I am today.
So I always have to be at the end of
the day, happy for that and happy for my son.
If it wasn't for my son, the number would probably
be like a two, you know what I'm saying. So

(01:00:14):
my son definitely is my main source of happiness in
real life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
What was the last time you cried from gratitude?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Ooh, oh my son's birthday? Probably really yeah, two yours?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah, just because because he was one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yeah, just happy that he made it to one. You know,
not everybody makes it to one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
That's just happy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah. How often do you think about your legacy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Hmm?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I can't say that it's never crossed my mind, but
it's not something that I think about often.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I guess it's the best way to answer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
What would you like that to be? What do you
think that it's going to be?

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
I think I would just like to be remembered for
my work, my art, being kind to others, being a
good person, being honest, being a badass.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Bitch, you know, you know, you know, things of that nature,
things of that tature in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
What is the best and the worst decision you have
ever made?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Oh my gosh, I've made so many bad decisions, Like yes,
because I've lived and geez, like I've really lived.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Tell me, like, give me some examples. You don't have
to go into the deep stories of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Can we just leave.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
That in the past. The relationships mostly is it like
bad choices or I would say a little bit of
both vices.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I would be both. Yes, i would say I've made
bad decisions all around. I've just always tried to I
would say that I'm somebody who's never been afraid. I
can't really think of anything I've ever been afraid of.
So I never was scared to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
That was wild.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
I was always just like forget.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
But so I do what I want to do, and
I don't really, you know, restrict myself in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I never had restrictions in regards to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Like what will people say, what would people think? How
might this affect me later? How might this you know?
I never had that. I just like move from the heart.
My heart didn't always lead me to the right decisions,
but good. The best decision I ever made was definitely
having my baby, even though it's kind of like, no,
it's okay, definitely having my baby.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's so funny because you said one of the things
you'd Likenacy being a babbage what makes you feel like
a Babbage?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
What is? What is? When do you feel most like
that bit? Like when are you in your bag and
you feel sexy and you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I think, I think when I just put on a
little outfit that I like, on a regular day, I
dress super tomboy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
People always surprise myself because they're like, oh, you're so feminine,
but this is just like you know, when I have
something to do, I get super girly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
But on a regular day sometimes I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Just boyish and I can still feel like a badbage.
You know, I just have to, you know, put it on.
If I put it on, then I'm just like feeling myself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
So good for you. Yeah, we should all feel ourselves. Yeah,
I agree in real life? What do you hope people
you know, especially like fans or people even watching this
now that are like relating to your story in whatever way?
What do you What do you hope people take away
from your life?

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I hope people take away, you know, just to to
be themselves. Like for me, it makes me really sad
that so many people spend their lives not doing or
being who they want to be because they're worried about
what other people will think what other people say about them,
how their parents will react, how their significant other, you know,
any any any outside voices that could deter them from

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living their truth or living there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
You've never done that for me, No, Yeah, I was
really young.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I was really young. Well, I got kicked out of
the house.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
You got kicked out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah, I got kicked out of the house. But I
you know, when I left, I never went back. I
you know, was able to to find my own way
and find my own footing and make my own path
in the world. And I think that that's really important
because at the end of the day, you have to
be happy for you and when it's your time to go,
it's just going to be your time and nobody else's.

(01:04:41):
You're not going to be on your deathbed like I
wish I had worked more, or I wish I had
done what. So you know, you know you're gonna be like, damn,
I wish I could spend one last time with so
and so, or I wish you know, you're gonna be
thinking about the things that really matter. I try to
just on an everyday basis. Remember, you know that the
things that really matter, and that a lot of this

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other stuff actually doesn't hold any value at all, and
that's what keeps me grounded on a day to day basis,
And that's what I hope for other people to start
living more like, because I think that we lose a
lot of our lives in so much noise and so
much you know, outside you know bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
At the end of the day, what do you want
to do last? What do you want to do before
that day? Is there anything on your list, like a
bucket list thing or something you want to accomplish in
this life?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I do really want to make a movie, But more
than anything, I'm just thinking about where to go next.
Like maybe I've been thinking a lot about moving out
of the country, taking my family out of the country,
just becoming farmers. Like I want to try a different
lifestyle at some point. I don't know exactly when, but

(01:05:52):
I'm just ready for a new lifestyle. And that's something
that I really want to experience. I want to experience
really just like, you know, waking up somewhere entirely new
and figure out where I'm happiest and where it feels
like my forever home and creating that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
You were saying that you were eating and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yes, just getting Yeah, I started getting more into you know,
I don't drink from plastic water bottles anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, I see people do that, but I don't understand.
So what does it come from? Okay, so you filter?

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Okay, so the water bottles are supposedly don't don't quote me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I'm not a scientist. I saw this somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, okay, and you believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
And I believe this right the studies, so they say
eighty percent of your microplastic intake comes from the plastic
water bottles. Right, so just by cutting out plastic water bottles,
you're already saving yourself. All those microplastics, which they've been
proven to lodge into our brains, get into our blood stream.
We are plastic at this point, right, So all of

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that has health effects down the line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Lah lah la la la.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I'm like, Okay, I was pregnant at the time, my
mom had just got her diagnosis. I'm like, I started
getting a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
You know, scared.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Someone say overboard, some might say cuck cool, but I
started getting really like, you know, I was like, you know,
when my son's born, I don't even want him to
touch synthetic clothing. I don't you know everything that I
have is like well Cashmere organic car in you know,
I wouldn't put him in like the little the little
tub because I'm like, it's plastic and the hot water

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is going to put the plastic in his skin and
this and all that, and I started.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Getting just really really you know all about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
So I started working on this. Yeah, I started working
on this line. I was driving everybody crazy. I started
working on this line because it'd be like, you know,
if you want to hold my baby, you need to
put this organic cotton T shirt on it, you need
to take your polyestra clothes off. So it was it
was that far. So I'm like, okay, I started working
on this line. Everything is just organic, natural, la la la.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
This ghost.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
This is in regards to you know, natural fragrance because
also synthetic fragrance disrupts the hormones. It's not good to
be in our air. So this was going for the candle.
The clothing I tried.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
The cream was really nice, thank you, thank you, not
like greasy and it's not I don't know, it's thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
And a lot of people got confused because I did
do a lip bomb. They thought this was going to
be like a beauty line, but it's not a beauty line.
I actually don't even plan to continue the lip bombs.
I want to fully go in the direction of like
wellness and almost more like home goods self care, right,
Like this is more like home goods, do more stuff
that's a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
It's it's not homebody, home body. Yeah, get into the apparel,
the pails about the job soon. So it's like you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
Know at leisure and lounge wear that it's all organic
cotton or organic silk or organic wool, cashmere like all
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
So yeah, that was a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
But I have calmed down off of it now that
my baby's bigger, you know, I I have I allow
him now to have a couple of you know, he
could play with with certain plastic toys that I know
are too big that he's not gonna try to chew
on them. But I was really crazy about like I
don't want my sun chewing on plastic, you know what
I'm saying. And I don't want him. It's like certain
things that I was just like only wooden and what's

(01:09:25):
it called silicone toys? Only only this only that I was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Being really still not drinking water bottles.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I'm still not drinking water bottles.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
No, Look that's your water jug over there. Yeah, so
what do you filter?

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
So I have a filter water system in my house.
And also, you know, for people that can't get a
filter water system, if you boil your water, you take
a lot of the microplastics out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Of your water and a lot of the you know,
other stuff out of your water.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
So so you boil it and then just keep it
in the fridge and like a glass.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Yeah, but I already have I have a system. I
have a system and my don't in my house. But
for people who don't have a system, yeah, they can.
They can boil their water and that helps the water.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Bit. Do you feel different? Like, is your skin different?
Is your light? Like since you've been living like this,
is there a difference?

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
I feel like my skins started like got different after
I stopped drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I've been sober for what is it two almost three
years now? I think it's three years this summer, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
So I feel like that was the main thing that
started my skin guard a lot better.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
What was that the same thing or you just know
that I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Wanted to see how Yeah, that was before that was
actually yeah, when I was young. When I was young,
I had my my little alcoholic phase as a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
So yeah, I did that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
You know, I had to get my stomach pumped at
one point, went through all of those type.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Of things, drugs too, or just you know, I was
just a weed smoker.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I was never into drugs, but yeah, so I really
just wanted to see how long I could go with it.
I I just kind of realized as an adult, I
was like, I really don't ever drink because I want
to drink. I'm more so drinking because everybody else is like,
let's have fun, da da da da, And I'm like, well,
I can have fun without drinking, Like, let me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Just just try this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, And so I just went forward and haven't gone back.
And I'm really surprised that I haven't smoked, because a
lot of times when I smell weed, I will start to,
you know, get that little get those little urges. But yeah, no,
I've been just fully souber s.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
About it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah exactly, maybe one day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
You know, I'm not opposed to maybe smoking again one day,
but I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Kind of just happy, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I'm happy with where I'm at right now, and I'm
good with the headspace that I'm int.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
So where do people get these products?

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Is it's like out it's just online right now. We're
talking to a lot of different stores that have a
lot of interest. But when I go on tour, they're
going to be available on tour as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I'm going to be taking them on tours.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
So yeah, can we have a one tape please?

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
We call

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Nay H

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