April 3, 2025 • 35 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re back for part two with Carolina. We pick back up where we left off, getting into the crux of her relationship with Grant. Then, Carolina gets vulnerable and shares her harrowing experience dealing with epilepsy. We explore what this looks like day to day and how she felt opening up about it to Grant. We also look back at everything that went down during her time on the show, including the drama, the finale, and so much more. Where does she currently stand with Dina? Tune in now to find out and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and I'm Serena, and we are back for part
two with Carolina. Carolina, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Do you think if you had gone all the way
to the very end, it would have been enough time
for you to feel confident in getting engaged?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think so. I think I really wanted I listen.
If Grant thought he was gonna get lucky with me
at Fantasy Suites, he was so wrong. I was gonna
yap his year off. I was gonna ask him so
many questions. I really was holding on to him, asking
me to trust him until Fantasy Suites, where we could
have time off camera to really enjoy each other and
(00:42):
have these serious conversations that you, unfortunately can't really have
during these group dates where you have like maybe ten
fifteen minutes to talk to him. So, I it's crazy
because I liked Grant so much and I thought that
we I did have my doubts, but I thought that
we could figure them out. And I just remember in
(01:04):
the moment, thinking when Juliana's coming at me, I'm like,
she's self eliminating right now. Like that's how delusional I was.
I was like she's going to go to him with
some drama and he's going to be so against this
because I was telling her he knows where I stand.
I was clear with Grant. I would always tell him like,
you know, I'm still not convinced because this happened, and
this happened, you know, I held him accountable. I was like,
you did tell me that you weren't going to do that,
(01:25):
and you did it, So it's natural that I have
my doubts. But it's like I wanted to be convinced
because I did like him and I did really care.
And I was like, I mean, you're shooting yourself in
the foot by starting drama with me because he knows
where I stand. And she's like, I don't think that's true.
And I'm like, well do you talk to him about me?
Like how do you know where we stand?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Do you feel like after everything he went through with Grant,
you felt like he needed to prove himself to you?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But I think everyone needs to prove themselves to me,
and I think I need to prove myself to anyone
that I want to be with. Two Like, trust is earned,
And he kept asking me to trust him, and he
kept letting me down, like he would say one thing
and do another, So I wanted to believe him. I
really did like him, you know. We had so much
fun on that one on one and that's what I want, Like,
(02:15):
I want a partner that I can just like be
myself with, how like be my best friend dance with,
even if I don't know how to dance like we
It's just crazy because look at the person that I
was the first like two episodes or three episodes, versus
like the person that I became. It's completely different. But
I thought that that happy version of myself and him
(02:36):
seemed like we could have been a great match on.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
That one on one date you mentioned you opened up
about your journey with epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How did you go in to.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
This journey knowing how you were going to approach that,
Like were you expecting to talk about that early on
with Grant or was that something that you were maybe
waiting or did you talk to the women about it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I didn't talk to the women about it at all. Again,
not a lot of people in my life even knew
about this, But it was something that I had told
myself that I needed to address sooner in my next
relationship and it was something that, again I felt so
understood during the casting process because you open up about
everything and it was so refreshing, and it's something that
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I had always wanted to be able to do for myself,
you know, and it was really scary. But I also
felt like, kind of like what I said about the
casting process in the beginning, like if it flows and
it's easy, like I want to challenge myself to do
it because I want to be able to feel free
from all of this, and who knows if it also
(03:45):
helps someone else struggling with this, And it did, But yeah,
I wasn't sure if I was only going to address
it if it felt like he could be my person,
I was, Yeah, that was kind of If it felt smooth,
then yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So can you just tell us more about how epilepsy
affects kind of your daily life and if it was
a concern for you going on to such like a
strenuous filming process with production and scheduling all of these things,
and maybe how it affected you throughout the show.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, you know, even going through the process, I was
really worried that having atpilepsy would prevent me from being
chosen to go on the show. I want, like, I
try so hard to keep it a secret. It's affected
me in jobs before, and I didn't want to feel
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like a liability. I didn't want to not be chosen
because of that because I've managed to control it, but
I know that people make assumptions and they might think
that it's too much to deal with, and you know,
having to let everyone know what medications you're on or
you know, it was it was. I had to be
honest with production, and I think but I also felt
(05:07):
so understood by production and it felt so liberating as
well to just be able to talk about it like
I'm now talking about it without crying. This was never
a thing Like the few times that I had talked
about in my life, I would just sob the whole time.
So production being so supportive made me want to try
to open up more. And it was scary for sure.
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I mean, I definitely like I need more rest than
most people, and I didn't know how that would work
with like scheduling and hours of filming, but we were
able to make it happen, and I was really grateful
for that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
How do you feel like it was received by Grant
when you opened up to.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Him, Oh my god, that I will like, yeah, he
did great. He really took it like a champ. He
made me feel so seen. He made me feel like
it was genuine. I remember when I was you know,
when you do your interviews, they're like, how does it mean?
(06:08):
How does it feel to have received a rose after
this date? And I'm like, well, no one's gonna like
send you home after you like sob about your trauma story,
you know, so I kind of almost like expected that,
but it was him, Like the way that he took it,
the way that he cried with me, it felt so
genuine that that's what meant everything to me.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Looking back, now, do you regret not telling the other
women about having epilepsy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't regret it because it's not easy for me
to open up like that, and quite frankly, I don't
feel like they deserved my vulnerability. But I do think
that things could have been different and things, you know,
(06:58):
like people are mad at me for taking an ap,
people are mad at me for saying that, like, I
regret it opening up on the date, and they didn't
know the extent of why that was. They didn't know that,
you know, for a second, there I was like, I
just opened up everything that's so hard for me to
open up about, and then I didn't even get like
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much in return, Like I didn't get to know the
guy on the date. And now I'm like in my
head and the whole world is going to find out
and how is this going to affect me, like again
with employment and things like that, where you google me
and now you know that I have epilepsy and it's
something that I've tried to hide for a reason, and
we could dive into this, you know, like I used
to be a reporter and you'd had to drive the
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company car for that job and I had a seizure
and then I couldn't drive for six months and they
didn't want accommodate for me. So this is, this is
a big thing for me. And I didn't tell them
why this whole thing was so like strenuous for me.
They didn't understand why maybe I was more tired and
maybe seemed more low energy or more like sad or reserved.
(08:01):
So I do think maybe it would have been different,
But I also think that people need to just let
people breathe. And you know, if I'm taking an app
and that offends you, then I think you need to relax.
Like like people saying that I had a bad attitude
because I was taking an app, I'm like, well, producers
know that I need to take an app, and why
(08:22):
do you care so much? Like I was never mean.
I was never you know, I believe in like rotten
fruit will fall on its own, So they could have
just let me fall on my own if I was
a rotten fruit. And I think people decided to jump
on me making assumptions about me that you know, they
just didn't have a full picture. And I tried to
give everyone that grace and just say I don't know
(08:42):
everything that's going on behind the scenes. I don't know
your struggles. I don't know, so I'm not going to
attack you for anything.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What do you want People who maybe don't know someone
with epilepsy are newly dating someone with epilepsy and starting
to learn. What do you want people to know or
do you wish was more common knowledge about what you
deal with?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, I think everyone's epilepsy is different, and that's a
good place to start. For example, And I know, Joe,
you mentioned this and this isn't anything bad, but you
mentioned there's lights and in this production, so I don't
struggle with lights that way, Like I can be at
a strobe, like I can be at a festival, and
I can be fine. So what I've always wanted is
for people to feel like if once I do tell
(09:28):
them that I have epilepsy, I want them to know
that they can ask me any questions and just to
not make assumptions because everyone's epilepsy looks different, and I
want to say, don't be afraid to ask questions as
long as you're being respectful and you're coming from a
place of wanting to learn and understand and help those
around you. You know, epilepsy can affect your mental health.
(09:49):
It's connected to your like that is all in your brain.
It can affect so many, so many things like uh yeah,
maybe I am someone who who is way more tired
a night after going out than the average person. You know,
So just to be kind, to to be respectful, and
(10:12):
I don't know, to just try to have some empathy
because you don't always know what everyone's going through.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Something that you mentioned about epilepsy is it's something that
you've kept basically private your whole life. And now you
mentioned that you google your name and it comes up
that you you have epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Are you.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Comfortable or happy about that now that it is public
and you know, maybe you are helping people that do
suffer with it, or is it something that maybe or
is it something you wish no one knew.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Still I have mixed feelings. In the moment of my
crash out, I was like, full regret. There has been
really good sides to it, and I'm happy to speak
up for those that need it, and I'm happy to
have found a community. Like I I still don't know
(11:03):
much about epilepsy because I'm afraid to google it, and
you know, like you google something and as tells you're dying,
and like everyone's just so different, and I wish I
knew more about other people's struggles and maybe things that
correlate and maybe you know, like I still don't know
anyone personally that has epilepsy. So I'm happy to make
people feel less alone, and I'm happy to get that
for myself as well. I I'm not gonna lie it
(11:28):
only it only sucks in terms of like employment opportunities,
because it's like I know that I can do the job,
so I don't want to disclose that I have something
that then will make you think that I can't do
the job right, so that that kind of sucks. But again,
you know, I hope that anyone who decides to educate
themselves can see that I'm capable, and you know, yeah,
(11:50):
it is what it is, Okay.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
So then let let's quickly jumped to the Dina situation.
It seemed like, well, she had said I've been on
I've had your back this entire time, and then you
guys got into a fight. I can't remember all of it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You made up, and then woman hill all fighting again. Yes,
roller coaster of a friendship.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
So where do where do you guys stand now? What
is your take on everything with her?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I mean we're not friends, uh, I just I never
understood the switch up in the first place, because in
Spain she was my roommate and that's when we got
along really well, and from the house we got along,
and it's like what changed between now in Scotland, Between
Spain and Scotland. Besides the fact that we weren't rooming together, right,
(12:53):
so like we weren't hanging out, like we we weren't
rooming together. But I would see her kind of like
pulling away from me, and you know, I just kind
of wanted to like let it be what it was,
and I saw her like connecting more with other girls,
and it's it is what it is. But when she
got mad at me in Scotland, I was like, Okay,
(13:14):
so she's mad because she thinks I stole him. But
once I told her that I didn't steal him, I
was kind of like, so, why are you still mad?
And I thought she was just drunk. So that's why
I apologized to her, not because I felt that I'd
done anything wrong, but because I was like, well, if
she's this angry, I'm going to have to watch this
(13:35):
back and realize that I must have done something wrong,
and I don't want to end things on a bad note.
And I didn't know at the time that she went
to Grant and told him what she did, so yeah,
and then coming back from that, I, you know, I
had texted her. I wanted to see why it was
(13:57):
that she was so mad at me in Scotland, and
I didn't hear back from her until like months later,
and she apologized for the way that she behaved in Scotland,
and then she still threw shade at me online. Yeah,
it's just it's I don't I don't know. I think
the mob mentality is real and it got to her
because I still don't see what happened, What could have
(14:19):
happened between Scotland, between Spain and Scotland that made her
completely like one eighty her thoughts on me.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I guess during the tell All, Dina said that she
had bought you another week?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Do you think she's right by that?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Listen? I it's hard to tell with Grant how many
like he says one thing and does another. So I
don't know. Like in Spain, I thought that the problem
was Juliana and not me, and then I got the
the last rose and it was like, okay, I thought
that it was just for TV. I didn't think that
he felt that way. I felt like from our conversation
(15:02):
it seemed like we were good and he was compartmentalizing
the two. I guess, I don't know. Maybe, I mean,
I'm sure it makes you reconsider things when people are
all against one person. It seems so maybe Dina defending
(15:22):
me gave him some peace of mind, and then her
going against me changed things. I don't know. Whatever helps
her sleep at night, if she wants that for her
ego boost. That's great, she can have it. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
From watching the show as a viewer, obviously we weren't there.
It seems like, or at least the understanding we're getting
is that the girls plus Dina by the end, their
biggest issue with you was.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Words being used were negativity.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
They felt like you were, you know, capitalizing on Grant's
time too much, didn't want to be there, didn't like Grant.
Do you feel like any of these concerns are valid?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And if not, why, I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
They're valid, it's just I don't get why they're mad
at me about it. Like I again, I wasn't mean,
I wasn't rude, Like it's kind of like then just
let me be, just let me be negative, just let
me be. Like they're mad if I don't go home,
then they're mad if I stay. Because they were mad
(16:41):
that I didn't want to be on the group date. Yeah,
I wanted to. Like when I saw that Letia got
that other one on one, I was like, it's not me,
it's Lytia. I want to go home, Like, let me
just go home, And you know, I was told, well,
don't just gost the guy and I was like, okay,
you know what, I'm just gonna like push through today
in Scotland and then we're probably gonna have to have
(17:02):
like that breakup conversation at night. And it sucks, but
it is what it is. And you know, the girls
were purposely excluding me from everything they I kept, like,
I remember walking like waking up that morning. Seraphia would
even say hi to me, and when I brought up
to her, she's like, well, because I'm not fake, I'm like, well,
(17:22):
but you're just being rude, like you're It was very clicky,
very like. They were very negative towards me. So it's
hard to feel comfortable in that environment. It's it's I
did feel hated, and they can say that they didn't
hate me, which I don't know if I believe. But
even if my feelings are also valid that I felt hated,
it's very hard to be positive and peppy in an
environment where no matter what you do, people are so critical.
(17:47):
So I guess everyone's feelings are valid valid, I just
don't agree with their actions at all. I tried to
stay in my lane. I would have never gone out
of my way to tell someone that I disliked them,
that I don't agree with them. It's literally none of
my business. It's between that person and Grant because that's
what that person's here for. And again, also I do
want to clarify, like, just because not everything is shown
(18:09):
doesn't mean that there were plenty of other group dates.
I remember in the R and B date, everyone except
for l I believe that I found out later everyone
talked to him during the day except for me, And
I wasn't mad at them. I just didn't I happened
to not have time. So when Grant pulls me, I'm thinking, oh,
probably it's because it's hometown's coming up. He's probably going
(18:29):
to talk to everyone, like this is probably what the
day is looking like. And again I didn't know it
was going to rain. Yeah, and I didn't know it
was going to rain, Like, I'm just like, how did
I know that this was just me you were talking to?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And how did you feel about that conversation with Grant
looking back on it, because it did feel like you
were kind of in a place where you didn't really
want to be there anymore, or were questioning if you
wanted to be there, and he definitely provided you with
what seemed to be a lot of reassurance.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, me not wanting to be there wasn't me not
wanting it to work with Grant. It was just, you know,
it was obviously really hard for me to be there
when everyone was against me, and it was just like,
if it's not for me, then why am I here.
I was willing to fight for it for as long
as I needed to, but if it already felt like
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it wasn't me, then I was just I was ready
to leave. And it is really disappointing because he did
give me so much reassurance. Like you even see that night,
I didn't cry when the girls were coming at me
because it was like, at this point, like I had
cried before, because I let you get in my head
(19:46):
and I let you make me sad, and at this
point your arguments are so silly, and I feel so
good about my connection that I'm like, I'm good, Like
keep coming at me, this is insane. So I felt
very confident that that we were moving for forward. I mean,
he did say that verbatim that he was ready to
move forward.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So do you wish he had sent you home on
that rock in Scotland instead of waiting till the row
ceremony totally.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I was literally like just trying to power through the
day so I could talk to him at night. I
was not going to pull him during the day and
make it like a sad day, you know. I just
thought that I owed it's him and not just disappear
from the show and not say anything. So I was
waiting to have that conversation at night, and he pulled
(20:34):
me aside. He gave me all this like reassurance for what.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
You mentioned, uh, you mentioned that you for sure thought
it was gonna be Latilla. You're not the only one
on that on this that has come on this podcast
and also has said that, were you shocked at the
finale that he chose Juliana.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I thought I was gonna be Lytia because I knew
that he had said the most to me and Latia.
Latia's story about how he had already said that it
was her what she mentioned, I had already heard that too,
So I thought I was delusional enough to think the
whole time it was either me or Latia because I
knew that we had gotten the most reassurance or from
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what I had heard, and when she got that other
one on one. I thought it was gonna be her,
But it's like part of me is shocked, but part
of me isn't because Grant kept saying all these things
to everyone, and he just he was reckless and both
me and Latia at least. I don't know if anyone
else tried to bring this up to but we asked
(21:44):
him to tone it down, and he kept going and
giving that reassurance. So I don't know. I don't know
what goes through that guy's mind.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What do you think the hardest part of the show
was for you?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The hardest part was trying so Like I remember showing
up the first day and telling producers, you guys are
gonna have the most boring season ever. The women are incredible,
We're all going to be such great friends, and I
really wanted that, like, and it really sucks to feel
(22:21):
like in trying to protect people from getting hurt, I
was made out to be the bad guy, like for
being realistic. For it's like, yeah, I saw the red flags.
Was I wrong? No? It sucks to be right in
the situation right Like it sucks, but I was right
every question that I had about him, he proved me right,
(22:42):
and so it sucks that that makes me the bad guy,
and people are like, you know what you signed up for, Like, no,
I didn't sign up to be I signed up to
date the guy. I didn't sign up for him to
make me promises that he couldn't keep. And that's what
made me spiral, and that's what made me question everything,
you know, like look at someone like Joey Daisy could
tell the day before she went home that she was
(23:04):
going home. He wasn't telling her that can't wait to
repose to you tomorrow, you know, so when I go
on my first date with you and you're making it
seem like it's me, and then I still have to
like go through all of this and watch you like
break your promises over like over and over and over again.
And I kept telling him my biggest thing is I
hate when people over promised and under deliver it when
(23:25):
they could just shut the fuck up, and he laughed,
and I was like, just stop making promises that you
can't keep. And it sucks that, like I genuinely was
just trying to protect everyone. I was like for the girls,
and somehow that made me the bad person. Like I
don't know, it's why do.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
You think he did that.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Why do I think he.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Did what, like made all these promises to all these women.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Because he's a man. I don't know, Like I can't
imagine a woman ever doing that, especially after being corrected,
because that's the thing, Like clearly me and Latia both
told him to please stop, and he kept doing it.
He kept giving you reassurances. I don't know if he
just genuinely felt it in the moment. But like, and again,
(24:13):
I don't think he's like a terrible person. Like I
said before, I don't typically believe in like cancel culture.
I'm not trying to say, like screw him, but I
just think he was really irresponsible. Like to be the Bachelor,
you have to have a backbone and you have to
stand her ground, and you have to want not let
yourself be easily influenced by other people and to know
(24:33):
that like your words have meaning. And that's another thing
he Oh, he literally told me from the very beginning.
I was like, don't make promises you can't keep, and
he was like, I'm a man of my word. So
like I wanted to believe that so much, and you know,
you just can't. You can reassure people that you like
them right now or that you care about them right
(24:53):
now without making future promises. And that's what I wish
he had done a better job job of.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean it's it's it's
still a situation where it's like it is.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
It is still a television show, right, Like if he
just is like I like Juliana from the beginning, he
can't just walk out with her, you know, like he
has to has to have relationships.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
With Okay, by the way, sorry no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
But he has to have relationship with multiple women. But
I do understand like the you know, over promising or
promising or telling women like I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And then not doing it. So I get it.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's just if you want to sign up for this
process as the Bachelor, you should if you want to
do it right, you should know that you're gonna keep
your mind. You're going to keep an open mind, right,
that's the right way to do it. So you shouldn't
really know until the end who it is because who
you like today might change tomorrow. And that's you know,
I think really, if you were the Bachelor and you're
(26:05):
like I knew from day one that it was going
to be her that in my mind, you weren't a
good person, because if I was in that position and
I was so sure about someone so early, then I
would just have to like cut the show I made.
I made a joke at the at our one on
one when he was so reassuring, I was like, are
we about to pull Claire Crawley here? Because he was
(26:26):
so reassuring and morally ethically, that's the only way that
I could have ever done it. But I think if
you want to be the Bachelor, you need to let
be real with yourself and be like, there's no way
that I know everything about this person in one day.
I need to give it that time and and and
let it all play out. So then why are you
making these promises Like it's just not I don't know. Yeah,
(26:51):
leading leading people on for the sake of TV is
to me is insane and cruel and I could never
do it, and I don't respect people who can do
that either. I think he has the right to change
his mind as the Bachelor, and that's fine. He just
you know, he shouldn't upset what he said.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Jumping to tell all before we play a quick game
with you and let you go chat with us about
the outfit decision, and also just your overall thoughts on
how then I.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Went so the outfit decision. I don't want to keep
fighting with people. I don't want people to think that
I actually want to be crazy and evil. But I
always have to lean into everything with humor. And if
I stayed home and cried about it, some more people
would be mad, and they're still mad that I made
the outfit. I kind of have to lean into the
(27:40):
joke at this point, try to own it. It's never
my intention to be crazy or evil, but you know,
I'm just trying to try to make a laugh, trying
to get a laugh out of it. And then overall,
what was your other question?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
How did you feel that the night went?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I thought that night was awful. However, I've been surrounded
by people that I love and that loved me and
that know me, and even at least like in the crowd,
there were people supporting me. I feel like the tell
all was a kind of a turning point to the people.
(28:22):
To some people. Obviously not everyone, but some people who
really just liked me still felt like that was too much.
And I can tell you that living with them in Spain,
and Scotland was worse than the Women Tell All.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, you had a hard night. You had a hard night,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I want to ask you, though, it seemed like the
girl's biggest frustration with you, specifically at the Women Tell All,
was they felt like you weren't taking accountability for your actions.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
How did you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I felt like I didn't mean to hurt Rose. I
had already apologized to her so many times. It felt
like we were cool. You know, you don't see everything
on the show, right, but like someone else was tried
to have a conversation with me, and that conversation went
(29:20):
really well. And I do think that I can take
accountability for my mistakes when people aren't attacking me, Like,
if you want to have a conversation with me, I'm
happy to I want to listen. I even told Dina
this in Scotland. I'm happy to listen and try to
see your point of view. But I just don't think
the approach is ever appropriate. Of attacking anyone is ever appropriate.
(29:41):
And that's what it felt like. And I think I
did take accountability for the Rose situation. I don't think
that I felt bad about the Rose situation. I think
that everything else that everyone else had a problem with
was just a testament to how mob mentality works. Like
(30:01):
I was attacked for being in my room, which is
not even true. But okay, like why is that personal?
You know? People? I don't know? They when when you
live with a group of women that can only talk
about the same group that is already there, and they
find someone that they dislike, they just want to they'll
(30:23):
find anything. And that's what it felt like at the
women tall and living there.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
All right, Well let's end this on a lighter note.
We're gonna play a quick game with you. Oh yeah,
get to know Carolina rapid fire. It's really easy, just
simple questions. Okay, gold jewelry or silver jewelry.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Both favor gold in the summer, like gold when I'm tan,
silver when I'm like pale. I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Okay, favorite perfume?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
M hold on, I don't want to tell you because
it's like like my my one that is just I
don't I don't know that anyone else has it.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
No, you're gonna gate keep it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I have no.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I will not gay keep anything else. But like I've
tried hard to have I've always wanted to be a
person that like, you know it's them when you smell it.
And this one is one that I found that isn't
like a very common brand. So I'm sorry. I'm not
a gatekeeper ever, I promise it's just like this is
the one that, like.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
You know, it's fair. Okay, go to comfort movie or
TV show?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Ooh, movie is either She's the Man or White Chicks
TV show? The office?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Favorite way to unwind after a long.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Day checking all of the hate comments on Reddit about me? Oh, no,
totally kidding. I don't know. Just like hanging out with
my family, my friends, my dog.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Go to cocktail or mocktail.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Mm hmm, there's so many. This is bad. Okay, either aperol, sprits,
Moscow mule or alice to Martini.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
What are your three essentials you keep?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Sorry, I'm really bad at this game, you're what was
your next question?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
What are three essentials you keep in your purse?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Lipliner, lip gloss and.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like a travel perfume, dream vacation destination.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh this is too hard. You guys are going to
sect if I can't do this. Uh uh Okay, I
really want to go to Japan. But if you mean
like something like, uh.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Now, Japan, it is okay, You're like.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
We really want to wrap this up. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
And if you were to strand it on a deserted island,
it could only take two girls from your season.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Who would they be?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I would take people from production?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Okay, okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Before we let you go, Carolina, is there anything that
you want to say or share or let people know?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, I just want to say We're all human, we
all make mistakes. I hope that people can take this
and learn from it, give everyone grace and just move forward.
You know, like I just because even I had a
(33:58):
bad experience doesn't mean that I want to hold resentment
against anyone. And I want everyone to just be happy.
And I hope that everyone also sends me all the
positivity and you know, we can just all walk out
of this feeling like we're better after it, and.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
NICI like that. Actually, quick question before we let you go?
Would you do Paradise if they ask you? Eh?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Uh, this is a tough question. I don't want to
say no. I don't want to say yes. I you know,
I really struggled a lot socially there, and I don't
know if I ever like if I could ever be
in a room where I feel so low ever again,
where everything I say is an issue, or or even
(34:47):
anything that I don't say. So I'm not sure it
sucks because I really like, I want to find my
person and it sounds like such a fun opportunity and
even being like now that we know the Goldens are going, like,
I want to hang out with but I'm not sure yet.
I think you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I haven't made up my mind yet.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Okay, that's fine, Okay, Well, Carolina, thank you so much
for taking time out of your day.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Thank you guys coming on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Thank you for not screaming at me.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Not what we do here, And to all our listeners,
thank you so much for tuning in the Better Happy Hour.
Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We will have lots more expensive interviews coming your wife.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Bye,
Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and I'm Serena, and we are back for part
two with Carolina. Carolina, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Do you think if you had gone all the way
to the very end, it would have been enough time
for you to feel confident in getting engaged?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think so. I think I really wanted I listen.
If Grant thought he was gonna get lucky with me
at Fantasy Suites, he was so wrong. I was gonna
yap his year off. I was gonna ask him so
many questions. I really was holding on to him, asking
me to trust him until Fantasy Suites, where we could
have time off camera to really enjoy each other and
(00:42):
have these serious conversations that you, unfortunately can't really have
during these group dates where you have like maybe ten
fifteen minutes to talk to him. So, I it's crazy
because I liked Grant so much and I thought that
we I did have my doubts, but I thought that
we could figure them out. And I just remember in
(01:04):
the moment, thinking when Juliana's coming at me, I'm like,
she's self eliminating right now. Like that's how delusional I was.
I was like she's going to go to him with
some drama and he's going to be so against this
because I was telling her he knows where I stand.
I was clear with Grant. I would always tell him like,
you know, I'm still not convinced because this happened, and
this happened, you know, I held him accountable. I was like,
you did tell me that you weren't going to do that,
(01:25):
and you did it, So it's natural that I have
my doubts. But it's like I wanted to be convinced
because I did like him and I did really care.
And I was like, I mean, you're shooting yourself in
the foot by starting drama with me because he knows
where I stand. And she's like, I don't think that's true.
And I'm like, well do you talk to him about me?
Like how do you know where we stand?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Do you feel like after everything he went through with Grant,
you felt like he needed to prove himself to you?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But I think everyone needs to prove themselves to me,
and I think I need to prove myself to anyone
that I want to be with. Two Like, trust is earned,
And he kept asking me to trust him, and he
kept letting me down, like he would say one thing
and do another, So I wanted to believe him. I
really did like him, you know. We had so much
fun on that one on one and that's what I want, Like,
(02:15):
I want a partner that I can just like be
myself with, how like be my best friend dance with,
even if I don't know how to dance like we
It's just crazy because look at the person that I
was the first like two episodes or three episodes, versus
like the person that I became. It's completely different. But
I thought that that happy version of myself and him
(02:36):
seemed like we could have been a great match on.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
That one on one date you mentioned you opened up
about your journey with epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How did you go in to.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
This journey knowing how you were going to approach that,
Like were you expecting to talk about that early on
with Grant or was that something that you were maybe
waiting or did you talk to the women about it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I didn't talk to the women about it at all. Again,
not a lot of people in my life even knew
about this, But it was something that I had told
myself that I needed to address sooner in my next
relationship and it was something that, again I felt so
understood during the casting process because you open up about
everything and it was so refreshing, and it's something that
(03:24):
I had always wanted to be able to do for myself,
you know, and it was really scary. But I also
felt like, kind of like what I said about the
casting process in the beginning, like if it flows and
it's easy, like I want to challenge myself to do
it because I want to be able to feel free
from all of this, and who knows if it also
(03:45):
helps someone else struggling with this, And it did, But yeah,
I wasn't sure if I was only going to address
it if it felt like he could be my person,
I was, Yeah, that was kind of If it felt smooth,
then yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So can you just tell us more about how epilepsy
affects kind of your daily life and if it was
a concern for you going on to such like a
strenuous filming process with production and scheduling all of these things,
and maybe how it affected you throughout the show.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, you know, even going through the process, I was
really worried that having atpilepsy would prevent me from being
chosen to go on the show. I want, like, I
try so hard to keep it a secret. It's affected
me in jobs before, and I didn't want to feel
(04:40):
like a liability. I didn't want to not be chosen
because of that because I've managed to control it, but
I know that people make assumptions and they might think
that it's too much to deal with, and you know,
having to let everyone know what medications you're on or
you know, it was it was. I had to be
honest with production, and I think but I also felt
(05:07):
so understood by production and it felt so liberating as
well to just be able to talk about it like
I'm now talking about it without crying. This was never
a thing Like the few times that I had talked
about in my life, I would just sob the whole time.
So production being so supportive made me want to try
to open up more. And it was scary for sure.
(05:31):
I mean, I definitely like I need more rest than
most people, and I didn't know how that would work
with like scheduling and hours of filming, but we were
able to make it happen, and I was really grateful
for that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
How do you feel like it was received by Grant
when you opened up to.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Him, Oh my god, that I will like, yeah, he
did great. He really took it like a champ. He
made me feel so seen. He made me feel like
it was genuine. I remember when I was you know,
when you do your interviews, they're like, how does it mean?
(06:08):
How does it feel to have received a rose after
this date? And I'm like, well, no one's gonna like
send you home after you like sob about your trauma story,
you know, so I kind of almost like expected that,
but it was him, Like the way that he took it,
the way that he cried with me, it felt so
genuine that that's what meant everything to me.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Looking back, now, do you regret not telling the other
women about having epilepsy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't regret it because it's not easy for me
to open up like that, and quite frankly, I don't
feel like they deserved my vulnerability. But I do think
that things could have been different and things, you know,
(06:58):
like people are mad at me for taking an ap,
people are mad at me for saying that, like, I
regret it opening up on the date, and they didn't
know the extent of why that was. They didn't know that,
you know, for a second, there I was like, I
just opened up everything that's so hard for me to
open up about, and then I didn't even get like
(07:19):
much in return, Like I didn't get to know the
guy on the date. And now I'm like in my
head and the whole world is going to find out
and how is this going to affect me, like again
with employment and things like that, where you google me
and now you know that I have epilepsy and it's
something that I've tried to hide for a reason, and
we could dive into this, you know, like I used
to be a reporter and you'd had to drive the
(07:39):
company car for that job and I had a seizure
and then I couldn't drive for six months and they
didn't want accommodate for me. So this is, this is
a big thing for me. And I didn't tell them
why this whole thing was so like strenuous for me.
They didn't understand why maybe I was more tired and
maybe seemed more low energy or more like sad or reserved.
(08:01):
So I do think maybe it would have been different,
But I also think that people need to just let
people breathe. And you know, if I'm taking an app
and that offends you, then I think you need to relax.
Like like people saying that I had a bad attitude
because I was taking an app, I'm like, well, producers
know that I need to take an app, and why
(08:22):
do you care so much? Like I was never mean.
I was never you know, I believe in like rotten
fruit will fall on its own, So they could have
just let me fall on my own if I was
a rotten fruit. And I think people decided to jump
on me making assumptions about me that you know, they
just didn't have a full picture. And I tried to
give everyone that grace and just say I don't know
(08:42):
everything that's going on behind the scenes. I don't know
your struggles. I don't know, so I'm not going to
attack you for anything.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What do you want People who maybe don't know someone
with epilepsy are newly dating someone with epilepsy and starting
to learn. What do you want people to know or
do you wish was more common knowledge about what you
deal with?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, I think everyone's epilepsy is different, and that's a
good place to start. For example, And I know, Joe,
you mentioned this and this isn't anything bad, but you
mentioned there's lights and in this production, so I don't
struggle with lights that way, Like I can be at
a strobe, like I can be at a festival, and
I can be fine. So what I've always wanted is
for people to feel like if once I do tell
(09:28):
them that I have epilepsy, I want them to know
that they can ask me any questions and just to
not make assumptions because everyone's epilepsy looks different, and I
want to say, don't be afraid to ask questions as
long as you're being respectful and you're coming from a
place of wanting to learn and understand and help those
around you. You know, epilepsy can affect your mental health.
(09:49):
It's connected to your like that is all in your brain.
It can affect so many, so many things like uh yeah,
maybe I am someone who who is way more tired
a night after going out than the average person. You know,
So just to be kind, to to be respectful, and
(10:12):
I don't know, to just try to have some empathy
because you don't always know what everyone's going through.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Something that you mentioned about epilepsy is it's something that
you've kept basically private your whole life. And now you
mentioned that you google your name and it comes up
that you you have epilepsy.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Are you.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Comfortable or happy about that now that it is public
and you know, maybe you are helping people that do
suffer with it, or is it something that maybe or
is it something you wish no one knew.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Still I have mixed feelings. In the moment of my
crash out, I was like, full regret. There has been
really good sides to it, and I'm happy to speak
up for those that need it, and I'm happy to
have found a community. Like I I still don't know
(11:03):
much about epilepsy because I'm afraid to google it, and
you know, like you google something and as tells you're dying,
and like everyone's just so different, and I wish I
knew more about other people's struggles and maybe things that
correlate and maybe you know, like I still don't know
anyone personally that has epilepsy. So I'm happy to make
people feel less alone, and I'm happy to get that
for myself as well. I I'm not gonna lie it
(11:28):
only it only sucks in terms of like employment opportunities,
because it's like I know that I can do the job,
so I don't want to disclose that I have something
that then will make you think that I can't do
the job right, so that that kind of sucks. But again,
you know, I hope that anyone who decides to educate
themselves can see that I'm capable, and you know, yeah,
(11:50):
it is what it is, Okay.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
So then let let's quickly jumped to the Dina situation.
It seemed like, well, she had said I've been on
I've had your back this entire time, and then you
guys got into a fight. I can't remember all of it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You made up, and then woman hill all fighting again. Yes,
roller coaster of a friendship.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
So where do where do you guys stand now? What
is your take on everything with her?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I mean we're not friends, uh, I just I never
understood the switch up in the first place, because in
Spain she was my roommate and that's when we got
along really well, and from the house we got along,
and it's like what changed between now in Scotland, Between
Spain and Scotland. Besides the fact that we weren't rooming together, right,
(12:53):
so like we weren't hanging out, like we we weren't
rooming together. But I would see her kind of like
pulling away from me, and you know, I just kind
of wanted to like let it be what it was,
and I saw her like connecting more with other girls,
and it's it is what it is. But when she
got mad at me in Scotland, I was like, Okay,
(13:14):
so she's mad because she thinks I stole him. But
once I told her that I didn't steal him, I
was kind of like, so, why are you still mad?
And I thought she was just drunk. So that's why
I apologized to her, not because I felt that I'd
done anything wrong, but because I was like, well, if
she's this angry, I'm going to have to watch this
(13:35):
back and realize that I must have done something wrong,
and I don't want to end things on a bad note.
And I didn't know at the time that she went
to Grant and told him what she did, so yeah,
and then coming back from that, I, you know, I
had texted her. I wanted to see why it was
(13:57):
that she was so mad at me in Scotland, and
I didn't hear back from her until like months later,
and she apologized for the way that she behaved in Scotland,
and then she still threw shade at me online. Yeah,
it's just it's I don't I don't know. I think
the mob mentality is real and it got to her
because I still don't see what happened, What could have
(14:19):
happened between Scotland, between Spain and Scotland that made her
completely like one eighty her thoughts on me.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I guess during the tell All, Dina said that she
had bought you another week?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Do you think she's right by that?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Listen? I it's hard to tell with Grant how many
like he says one thing and does another. So I
don't know. Like in Spain, I thought that the problem
was Juliana and not me, and then I got the
the last rose and it was like, okay, I thought
that it was just for TV. I didn't think that
he felt that way. I felt like from our conversation
(15:02):
it seemed like we were good and he was compartmentalizing
the two. I guess, I don't know. Maybe, I mean,
I'm sure it makes you reconsider things when people are
all against one person. It seems so maybe Dina defending
(15:22):
me gave him some peace of mind, and then her
going against me changed things. I don't know. Whatever helps
her sleep at night, if she wants that for her
ego boost. That's great, she can have it. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
From watching the show as a viewer, obviously we weren't there.
It seems like, or at least the understanding we're getting
is that the girls plus Dina by the end, their
biggest issue with you was.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Words being used were negativity.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
They felt like you were, you know, capitalizing on Grant's
time too much, didn't want to be there, didn't like Grant.
Do you feel like any of these concerns are valid?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
And if not, why, I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
They're valid, it's just I don't get why they're mad
at me about it. Like I again, I wasn't mean,
I wasn't rude, Like it's kind of like then just
let me be, just let me be negative, just let
me be. Like they're mad if I don't go home,
then they're mad if I stay. Because they were mad
(16:41):
that I didn't want to be on the group date. Yeah,
I wanted to. Like when I saw that Letia got
that other one on one, I was like, it's not me,
it's Lytia. I want to go home, Like, let me
just go home, And you know, I was told, well,
don't just gost the guy and I was like, okay,
you know what, I'm just gonna like push through today
in Scotland and then we're probably gonna have to have
(17:02):
like that breakup conversation at night. And it sucks, but
it is what it is. And you know, the girls
were purposely excluding me from everything they I kept, like,
I remember walking like waking up that morning. Seraphia would
even say hi to me, and when I brought up
to her, she's like, well, because I'm not fake, I'm like, well,
(17:22):
but you're just being rude, like you're It was very clicky,
very like. They were very negative towards me. So it's
hard to feel comfortable in that environment. It's it's I
did feel hated, and they can say that they didn't
hate me, which I don't know if I believe. But
even if my feelings are also valid that I felt hated,
it's very hard to be positive and peppy in an
environment where no matter what you do, people are so critical.
(17:47):
So I guess everyone's feelings are valid valid, I just
don't agree with their actions at all. I tried to
stay in my lane. I would have never gone out
of my way to tell someone that I disliked them,
that I don't agree with them. It's literally none of
my business. It's between that person and Grant because that's
what that person's here for. And again, also I do
want to clarify, like, just because not everything is shown
(18:09):
doesn't mean that there were plenty of other group dates.
I remember in the R and B date, everyone except
for l I believe that I found out later everyone
talked to him during the day except for me, And
I wasn't mad at them. I just didn't I happened
to not have time. So when Grant pulls me, I'm thinking, oh,
probably it's because it's hometown's coming up. He's probably going
(18:29):
to talk to everyone, like this is probably what the
day is looking like. And again I didn't know it
was going to rain. Yeah, and I didn't know it
was going to rain, Like, I'm just like, how did
I know that this was just me you were talking to?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And how did you feel about that conversation with Grant
looking back on it, because it did feel like you
were kind of in a place where you didn't really
want to be there anymore, or were questioning if you
wanted to be there, and he definitely provided you with
what seemed to be a lot of reassurance.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, me not wanting to be there wasn't me not
wanting it to work with Grant. It was just, you know,
it was obviously really hard for me to be there
when everyone was against me, and it was just like,
if it's not for me, then why am I here.
I was willing to fight for it for as long
as I needed to, but if it already felt like
(19:24):
it wasn't me, then I was just I was ready
to leave. And it is really disappointing because he did
give me so much reassurance. Like you even see that night,
I didn't cry when the girls were coming at me
because it was like, at this point, like I had
cried before, because I let you get in my head
(19:46):
and I let you make me sad, and at this
point your arguments are so silly, and I feel so
good about my connection that I'm like, I'm good, Like
keep coming at me, this is insane. So I felt
very confident that that we were moving for forward. I mean,
he did say that verbatim that he was ready to
move forward.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So do you wish he had sent you home on
that rock in Scotland instead of waiting till the row
ceremony totally.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I was literally like just trying to power through the
day so I could talk to him at night. I
was not going to pull him during the day and
make it like a sad day, you know. I just
thought that I owed it's him and not just disappear
from the show and not say anything. So I was
waiting to have that conversation at night, and he pulled
(20:34):
me aside. He gave me all this like reassurance for what.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
You mentioned, uh, you mentioned that you for sure thought
it was gonna be Latilla. You're not the only one
on that on this that has come on this podcast
and also has said that, were you shocked at the
finale that he chose Juliana.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I thought I was gonna be Lytia because I knew
that he had said the most to me and Latia.
Latia's story about how he had already said that it
was her what she mentioned, I had already heard that too,
So I thought I was delusional enough to think the
whole time it was either me or Latia because I
knew that we had gotten the most reassurance or from
(21:23):
what I had heard, and when she got that other
one on one. I thought it was gonna be her,
But it's like part of me is shocked, but part
of me isn't because Grant kept saying all these things
to everyone, and he just he was reckless and both
me and Latia at least. I don't know if anyone
else tried to bring this up to but we asked
(21:44):
him to tone it down, and he kept going and
giving that reassurance. So I don't know. I don't know
what goes through that guy's mind.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What do you think the hardest part of the show
was for you?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The hardest part was trying so Like I remember showing
up the first day and telling producers, you guys are
gonna have the most boring season ever. The women are incredible,
We're all going to be such great friends, and I
really wanted that, like, and it really sucks to feel
(22:21):
like in trying to protect people from getting hurt, I
was made out to be the bad guy, like for
being realistic. For it's like, yeah, I saw the red flags.
Was I wrong? No? It sucks to be right in
the situation right Like it sucks, but I was right
every question that I had about him, he proved me right,
(22:42):
and so it sucks that that makes me the bad guy,
and people are like, you know what you signed up for, Like, no,
I didn't sign up to be I signed up to
date the guy. I didn't sign up for him to
make me promises that he couldn't keep. And that's what
made me spiral, and that's what made me question everything,
you know, like look at someone like Joey Daisy could
tell the day before she went home that she was
(23:04):
going home. He wasn't telling her that can't wait to
repose to you tomorrow, you know, so when I go
on my first date with you and you're making it
seem like it's me, and then I still have to
like go through all of this and watch you like
break your promises over like over and over and over again.
And I kept telling him my biggest thing is I
hate when people over promised and under deliver it when
(23:25):
they could just shut the fuck up, and he laughed,
and I was like, just stop making promises that you
can't keep. And it sucks that, like I genuinely was
just trying to protect everyone. I was like for the girls,
and somehow that made me the bad person. Like I
don't know, it's why do.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
You think he did that.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Why do I think he.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Did what, like made all these promises to all these women.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Because he's a man. I don't know, Like I can't
imagine a woman ever doing that, especially after being corrected,
because that's the thing, Like clearly me and Latia both
told him to please stop, and he kept doing it.
He kept giving you reassurances. I don't know if he
just genuinely felt it in the moment. But like, and again,
(24:13):
I don't think he's like a terrible person. Like I
said before, I don't typically believe in like cancel culture.
I'm not trying to say, like screw him, but I
just think he was really irresponsible. Like to be the Bachelor,
you have to have a backbone and you have to
stand her ground, and you have to want not let
yourself be easily influenced by other people and to know
(24:33):
that like your words have meaning. And that's another thing
he Oh, he literally told me from the very beginning.
I was like, don't make promises you can't keep, and
he was like, I'm a man of my word. So
like I wanted to believe that so much, and you know,
you just can't. You can reassure people that you like
them right now or that you care about them right
(24:53):
now without making future promises. And that's what I wish
he had done a better job job of.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean it's it's it's
still a situation where it's like it is.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
It is still a television show, right, Like if he
just is like I like Juliana from the beginning, he
can't just walk out with her, you know, like he
has to has to have relationships.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
With Okay, by the way, sorry no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
But he has to have relationship with multiple women. But
I do understand like the you know, over promising or
promising or telling women like I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And then not doing it. So I get it.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's just if you want to sign up for this
process as the Bachelor, you should if you want to
do it right, you should know that you're gonna keep
your mind. You're going to keep an open mind, right,
that's the right way to do it. So you shouldn't
really know until the end who it is because who
you like today might change tomorrow. And that's you know,
I think really, if you were the Bachelor and you're
(26:05):
like I knew from day one that it was going
to be her that in my mind, you weren't a
good person, because if I was in that position and
I was so sure about someone so early, then I
would just have to like cut the show I made.
I made a joke at the at our one on
one when he was so reassuring, I was like, are
we about to pull Claire Crawley here? Because he was
(26:26):
so reassuring and morally ethically, that's the only way that
I could have ever done it. But I think if
you want to be the Bachelor, you need to let
be real with yourself and be like, there's no way
that I know everything about this person in one day.
I need to give it that time and and and
let it all play out. So then why are you
making these promises Like it's just not I don't know. Yeah,
(26:51):
leading leading people on for the sake of TV is
to me is insane and cruel and I could never
do it, and I don't respect people who can do
that either. I think he has the right to change
his mind as the Bachelor, and that's fine. He just
you know, he shouldn't upset what he said.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Jumping to tell all before we play a quick game
with you and let you go chat with us about
the outfit decision, and also just your overall thoughts on
how then I.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Went so the outfit decision. I don't want to keep
fighting with people. I don't want people to think that
I actually want to be crazy and evil. But I
always have to lean into everything with humor. And if
I stayed home and cried about it, some more people
would be mad, and they're still mad that I made
the outfit. I kind of have to lean into the
(27:40):
joke at this point, try to own it. It's never
my intention to be crazy or evil, but you know,
I'm just trying to try to make a laugh, trying
to get a laugh out of it. And then overall,
what was your other question?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
How did you feel that the night went?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I thought that night was awful. However, I've been surrounded
by people that I love and that loved me and
that know me, and even at least like in the crowd,
there were people supporting me. I feel like the tell
all was a kind of a turning point to the people.
(28:22):
To some people. Obviously not everyone, but some people who
really just liked me still felt like that was too much.
And I can tell you that living with them in Spain,
and Scotland was worse than the Women Tell All.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, you had a hard night. You had a hard night,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I want to ask you, though, it seemed like the
girl's biggest frustration with you, specifically at the Women Tell All,
was they felt like you weren't taking accountability for your actions.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
How did you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I felt like I didn't mean to hurt Rose. I
had already apologized to her so many times. It felt
like we were cool. You know, you don't see everything
on the show, right, but like someone else was tried
to have a conversation with me, and that conversation went
(29:20):
really well. And I do think that I can take
accountability for my mistakes when people aren't attacking me, Like,
if you want to have a conversation with me, I'm
happy to I want to listen. I even told Dina
this in Scotland. I'm happy to listen and try to
see your point of view. But I just don't think
the approach is ever appropriate. Of attacking anyone is ever appropriate.
(29:41):
And that's what it felt like. And I think I
did take accountability for the Rose situation. I don't think
that I felt bad about the Rose situation. I think
that everything else that everyone else had a problem with
was just a testament to how mob mentality works. Like
(30:01):
I was attacked for being in my room, which is
not even true. But okay, like why is that personal?
You know? People? I don't know? They when when you
live with a group of women that can only talk
about the same group that is already there, and they
find someone that they dislike, they just want to they'll
(30:23):
find anything. And that's what it felt like at the
women tall and living there.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
All right, Well let's end this on a lighter note.
We're gonna play a quick game with you. Oh yeah,
get to know Carolina rapid fire. It's really easy, just
simple questions. Okay, gold jewelry or silver jewelry.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Both favor gold in the summer, like gold when I'm tan,
silver when I'm like pale. I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Okay, favorite perfume?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
M hold on, I don't want to tell you because
it's like like my my one that is just I
don't I don't know that anyone else has it.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
No, you're gonna gate keep it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I have no.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I will not gay keep anything else. But like I've
tried hard to have I've always wanted to be a
person that like, you know it's them when you smell it.
And this one is one that I found that isn't
like a very common brand. So I'm sorry. I'm not
a gatekeeper ever, I promise it's just like this is
the one that, like.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
You know, it's fair. Okay, go to comfort movie or
TV show?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Ooh, movie is either She's the Man or White Chicks
TV show? The office?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Favorite way to unwind after a long.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Day checking all of the hate comments on Reddit about me? Oh, no,
totally kidding. I don't know. Just like hanging out with
my family, my friends, my dog.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Go to cocktail or mocktail.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Mm hmm, there's so many. This is bad. Okay, either aperol, sprits,
Moscow mule or alice to Martini.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
What are your three essentials you keep?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Sorry, I'm really bad at this game, you're what was
your next question?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
What are three essentials you keep in your purse?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Lipliner, lip gloss and.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like a travel perfume, dream vacation destination.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh this is too hard. You guys are going to
sect if I can't do this. Uh uh Okay, I
really want to go to Japan. But if you mean
like something like, uh.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Now, Japan, it is okay, You're like.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
We really want to wrap this up. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
And if you were to strand it on a deserted island,
it could only take two girls from your season.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Who would they be?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I would take people from production?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Okay, okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Before we let you go, Carolina, is there anything that
you want to say or share or let people know?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, I just want to say We're all human, we
all make mistakes. I hope that people can take this
and learn from it, give everyone grace and just move forward.
You know, like I just because even I had a
(33:58):
bad experience doesn't mean that I want to hold resentment
against anyone. And I want everyone to just be happy.
And I hope that everyone also sends me all the
positivity and you know, we can just all walk out
of this feeling like we're better after it, and.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
NICI like that. Actually, quick question before we let you go?
Would you do Paradise if they ask you? Eh?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Uh, this is a tough question. I don't want to
say no. I don't want to say yes. I you know,
I really struggled a lot socially there, and I don't
know if I ever like if I could ever be
in a room where I feel so low ever again,
where everything I say is an issue, or or even
(34:47):
anything that I don't say. So I'm not sure it
sucks because I really like, I want to find my
person and it sounds like such a fun opportunity and
even being like now that we know the Goldens are going, like,
I want to hang out with but I'm not sure yet.
I think you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I haven't made up my mind yet.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Okay, that's fine, Okay, Well, Carolina, thank you so much
for taking time out of your day.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Thank you guys coming on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Thank you for not screaming at me.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Not what we do here, And to all our listeners,
thank you so much for tuning in the Better Happy Hour.
Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We will have lots more expensive interviews coming your wife.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Bye,
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