April 10, 2025 • 32 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re jumping right back in for part two of our conversation with Clayton! We kick it off by getting into Grant’s finale, and Clayton weighs in on the sticky aspects of the very public breakup. Then, we dive into Clayton’s love life: Would we see him at a certain beach this summer? We also get a look at his healing process and how his creative outlets have led to personal growth. Plus, we have a candid conversation about mental health, healing from trauma, and the final chapter of his infamous court case now that all is said and done. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch A Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and we are back for part two with Clayton.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Clayton, welcome back. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
What what what is your opinion? Did you watch Grant's finale? Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah, well yeah, I was there.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So well, I didn't know if they was. What's your
what was your opinion on how he handled it?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I thought he handled it well.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
To be honest with you, I got at one point
a bit triggered during the finale because listen, I saw
both sides. I could understand where Letia was coming from,
but I also, you know, thought she could have went
about it a bit differently. I think that she just
really dug into him deeper than she needed to. And
(00:48):
and to me, I said, I was you know, he
was apologizing, and I'm like, yeah, he made mistakes, but
like I think you're just kicking someone when they're down
again my perspective, because I had felt that, you know,
somebody did that to me, you know, on my IFR
and I wasn't you know, a fan of that. I'm like, listen,
I'm wrong, and I'm sorry or you know, I upset you,
but I I just felt like she took it a
(01:09):
bit too far, but then again, like she did what
she thought was best, and I don't like hold I'm
not holding it against her. I just I of course
I related to him because like I sat there and
was like they brought me here because he did something
similar to me, so naturally, Like I was like, I
get where he's at. And I think he you know,
said like hey, I'm sorry and handled it and didn't
(01:29):
try to, like, you know, over explain himself. And I'm like,
you know, that's the best you can do. But I
understand where she's coming from too, you know. It's just
it's like, I don't nothing she did was wrong. I
just I kind of felt similar to him, Like I
was like, wow, I'm sitting in their audience, but I
was like I almost feel like I'm in like back
on the hot seat, watching like me from three years ago,
(01:50):
you know. And so it's just a weird moment.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But you know, I think in that situation, what we
got to see with you a little bit more that
we didn't get the chance to see in Grant Latia's conversation.
This could have just been due to timing. I mean,
it's so short, is I was waiting for them to
address the why with Grant and Letia, like why did
you do this? Why did you say this? And I
(02:14):
feel like, again, it very well could have just been
like it's a short conversation and you don't get there
and that's a bigger, deeper conversation. But I do feel
like we got more of that with you, like you
were always keen to say like I did this and
like expand on like this is why I thought that
was a good idea at the time.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, I mean again, like it's that's why unless you're
Grant or Latia, like you don't really know what was
all said. So it's like this he says this, she
says this in the middle is the reality and the truth.
But again, like the truth is also dependent upon like
it's skewed by perspective, and so you know, we can
only judge based off what, you know, what we hear
in seeing that moment. So ultimately, I'm like, you know,
(02:56):
I don't I don't see one of them as right
or one of them as wrong. It just yeah, it's
like we don't know, like there could be one bit
of context that if added would completely sway my opinion.
You know, like I say that I associated or you know,
you know, associated more with Grant, but like had an
additional piece of information but put out there where it's
like here's he is on camera saying this exact thing
(03:17):
that you know. It's like, oh, okay, well now I'm
over on Team Latia right, Like I don't it could
switch that quickly.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, you get anxiety going to the finales. You have
to have a little bit just like a bodily response
being back in that room at that time with a finale.
I don't know, I feel like whenever I watch like
certain episodes of the show, I feel a type of way,
like whenever I watch Hometowns every season, I feel like
a little type of way.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah. I actually, Susie was at the finale, sitting right
in front of me, and I like between the breaks,
I leaned forward and I was like, yeah, this is
bringing up some old feelings. I was like, this isn't
really fun anymore. You know, Like it got to a
point where it was so tense at the finale that
I was just like, yeah, I'm starting to feel triggered
a bit and like not enough where I was like
(04:04):
I need to walk out of here. But I was
just like, ugh, like I got this pit in my
stomach where I'm like I don't like seeing you know,
basically it's like pick a side, and I'm like, no,
you know, both people did some things right and did
some things wrong, and probably you know, they could share
the blame, but unfortunately, you know, it's it makes sense
from a show perspective to like how people choose sides
(04:25):
because that fosters conversation. It's like we don't want it
to be like, oh, everyone's you know, equally at blame
and that's it. No, like they want you know, people
to be you know, things to be sparked, and so
like that's what's happening right now. I mean we're looking
at the post show. You know, I've seen like clips
and stuff off they're asking now what Grant thinks about
Latia's response and vice versa, and it's like here comes
(04:45):
like the you know, really them hammering down and I'm like, okay,
you can choose to like stand firm on your side.
This is what keeps people talking and that's ultimately what
you know, the show wants, and I get it. So
it's like hard because you're just like I want us
all to be friends, but I don't think that can happen.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
What was it like seeing Susie?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Her and I have like seen each other so many
times since the show and have had conversations on the phone,
Like that wasn't like I hadn't seen her in three years.
I think I saw her, I think six months prior
to that point, we did a podcast together, you know,
to me like she's an old friend, you know, or
she's still a friend. But I ultimately know that, like,
you know, we we tried to make it work and
(05:25):
then ultimately it's just like, hey this we're not compatible.
So now, I mean, she's one of the few people
that knows more than most people know because I told
her everything. She lived it with me, So there's a
lot of things that are unsaid where I can just
spark up a conversation with her and she gets it,
you know. So it's always great to see her, you know,
and it's it's like a friend they're like, oh, hey,
like you get it. So I'm always happy to see her.
(05:48):
But there's you know, there's no chance of that ever rekindling,
at least I don't think so. It would. It would
be a surprise.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I will say though in in he said, like they
were reminded you of like your situation of kind of
being like kicked when you're down. But I think from
like Latilla's point of view, she's probably looking at Grant
like you kind of have everything right now, like you're
in a happy relationship, you're engaged. You might yeah, you
(06:15):
might be getting a little bit of backlash, but like
I I was planning on, like I wanted to marry
you and potentially have kids with you, and you led
me on this whole way. So yeah, I'm gonna kick
you even if you are down. And I think your
situation is a little different because like you you got
a lot of hate, Like you got like way too
(06:37):
much hate. Yeah, and you got a lot of it
where I don't really I don't think Grant really did.
Like there's definitely some people that are like pro Latilla,
but I just don't think the it's it's the same
as in your case. Like you you like the Internet,
I you know, and I don't want to like bring
up old feelings or anything, but I feel like the
Internet like they kind of like went after you, like
(06:59):
from the fucking jump.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they did. They and unfortunately, you know,
it was like, get we're looking for a reason to
hate this guy, you know, and it went all the
way back to you know, I was chosen over six
minut of color, and that was already tense. You know.
People were already like why did you choose this guy
over the over them? And I thought the same thing.
I'm like, they're all deserving. I ultimately I accepted the role, though,
but it was I was already at a deficit, you know,
(07:23):
at that point. That was a you know thing that
I saw online quite a bit. And then once I
actually you know, gave them something to dislike, it was
like there it is. We knew this guy was a
piece of shit, and so they basically just leveled into
me and it was like, let's cancel this guy. I
mean that's seriously like it was just like at any
people were just looking to have an excuse. And I
mean the messages that I got, the hate messages to
kill yourself comments, I mean I got them by the thousands,
(07:44):
and it was, you know, just a lot. But you know,
to go back to yeah, I mean again, you have
to understand I didn't watch the season, so like I
didn't see the context, So like Letia, I'm not saying she,
I just I think going off of one episode live,
I felt the feeling of being in the hot seat
like Grant was, and really related to that and was like, Okay,
I get it, like he said some stuff and he
(08:06):
apparently said these things that are off camera that weren't shared,
you know, and like he's happy with somebody right now,
but like instead, it's like you're almost sowing seeds of
doubt into the mind of the person that he's with,
which like I don't like that. It's like he's found somebody.
But to your point, it's like, you know, he's basically
on top of the world and has his person and
(08:27):
she's left in second place with nothing right like, and
so it's like could she you know, She's like, hey,
you got everything and ultimately got to do what you
did and still come out victorious and I basically get
kicked to the curb. I'm sure. I mean again, that's
probably what it feels like. So you know, is it justified?
I mean could be. Yeah. Again, I don't like, I
just can only go off of like that one, you
know episode, So I certainly don't like I don't want
(08:50):
people to think that. I'm like, oh, it was wrong.
I just am saying I related to like how he
felt in that moment, and I was like, okay, like
I get it, but like he's happy now, Like I
don't think you need to keep sowing these seeds of
doubt and Juliana's mind because now what happens when she's like, wait,
she wasn't aware of this. Now she might end up
breaking up with the guy. And he's already struggling. I knew.
I mean, he was struggling with a lot of the
criticism online. So I was like this guy, like don't
(09:10):
I don't want to see him go to a place
that I like that I went to, you know. So
it was more out of like me. I was more
like in a protective statement, like I get like, don't
keep trying to bury him. This guy's clearly struggling. I mean,
I can see his post online. He struggles with the
criticism and rightfully, so I mean, like I get it
just the same way I did. But I'm like, I
can tell he's really hurting. I'm like, just like, don't
(09:33):
do this to him, because if you tear him down
and then like God forbid, you get you know, Juliana
to like leave him. He's going to be in a
really bad place, and I'm like I don't want to
see that. So like just he's learned, Like can we
just move on? Like that's kind of where it was at.
I was like, I didn't like that. I felt like
she was shoving him down deeper into a place where
it's like you're gonna put him into a bad valley.
But again, like nobody really knows like how badly someone's
(09:55):
hurting until they're in their own mind. I just felt
like I was like, oh, I can see Grants already hurting.
I don't want this to get worse.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, it makes sense, and I think you could sympathize
with both both people and especially you because you were
in that situation.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So yeah, I get that.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You obviously have you know, had to change mindset about
your time on the show. But naturally there's still going
to be elements that are and maybe always will be
hard to look back on or still triggering. At this time,
people are.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Gonna listen to this podcast and be like they're gonna
pull one thing you said.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It'd be like we still hate.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
They're gonna they're gonna pull that first section of me
saying I didn't agree with it, was like, how dare
he already know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
What typical typical Clayton's.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They're not gonna They're not going to listen to the
back half of this conversation. I guarantee you They'll take
that clip and it'll find its way on Reddit because
that's the place where like I'm like, that's where they'll go,
and so I'm like, go go for it. They will
clip that one part and be like, see he hasn't learned.
I don't give a ship, but like they will a
thousand percent. I mean again, every time I have one
a camera, it's like they're just going to clip whatever
they want to, you know, get get someone riled up.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I hate that. But with that being said, would you
ever consider going on Paradise within like something again within
the franchise or any other dating shows?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean absolutely. You know, I've got to
a place where I'm just like, hey, I don't want
to live a normal life, and I haven't really at
this point so far. So I was like, I want
to just look back at the end of it all.
You know. It's like when people lay on their deathbeds
it's like, what are their biggest regrets. They're like, I
wish I'd taken more risks, and I wish I would
care less what people thought. So I'm like, okay, Like
(11:43):
that's a great life lesson if that's what's being said
by the majority of people. I never want to get
to that place and be one of them. So I'm
going to do everything I can so that when I
lay on my deathbed, neither of those things come out
of my mouth. And I feel like I've gotten to
a place where I don't care about stranger's criticism anymore.
So I'm like, okay, cool, you have that and now
live a life with no regrets, you know I I
(12:03):
and so that way, you're not going to be like
I wish i'd did more. I'm like, no, I'm gonna
do more, so I don't have to, you know, look
back and be one of those people. So, yeah, I
would do it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, yeah, well, so we might see you on
another dating show in the future, maybe Paradise.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's possible, man, anything is possible. I always have some
surprises of my sleeve.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I do like and I know it. It's like live
life with no regrets.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's like kind of a cliche, but like also like
I truly believe that is how you.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Should live life. And I also don't.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think like people say, like I live with no regrets,
but most people like don't do it, or if they
do it, it's it's you know, they maybe do it
to like a you know, a thirty percent max. Where
like if you really live with no regrets, that's the
way to live.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Is that what's inspired? Like, for example, you're dancing, Like,
was that the mentality shift that kind of inspired you
to start trying new things?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I got to a place where I said, if you
stop caring about people's opinions, what would you do? And
I was like, well, dancing. I've always wanted to dance.
I think, you know, like I love women that can dance.
I think it's so attractive, and it's a very vulnerable
place to be, you know, to put to put your
body out there and move your body like it's one
of the most vulnerable things you can do in my opinion.
(13:21):
So for me it was like a challenge. I thought, hey,
like I'll do this, and then I was shocked at
what it did to my confidence and my overall self love.
I mean, dance has changed my life, like legitimately changed
my life. I've I've found a newer sense of style,
a greater appreciation for the creative arts. I found a
(13:41):
community within that They're open minded. Dancers are like super
open minded and super positive. They're just like happy that
you're doing their passion, you know, And like I got
dancers that are like ten times a million times better
than me, and they are the biggest hype men and
women because they're just so happy that someone else is
partaking in their favorite, you know, passion, and so there's
so much love and just connection and support that I'm like,
(14:05):
these are the kind of people that, you know, fill
my cup and you know, that's why I go there
four times a week now. I love being a part
of it. My dance instructor is super awesome. She's you know,
been my therapist at times. Like sometimes we'll just be
dancing and I will half the time I'll be talking.
I won't even dance because it's like movement therapy, and
so it really was a form of therapy. So yeah,
(14:25):
like that certainly was you know, dancing for me was like,
what's something that I can do that It's really hard?
But that like, I can, you know, challenge myself to
do just to like, just to see if I can
do it, And dance became that avenue, and then you know,
I started getting really great feedback online from people. And
again I get a lot of blowbacks. Still, I mean,
I'm not, you know, I don't think I'm the best dancer.
(14:46):
I'm very aware. I think people are like, does he
think he's good? I'm like, I know, how good of
a dancer? I am like, I'm not. I can see,
you know, the best dancers out there, and then I
can see my videos and I'm not like, oh, you know,
we're like we're close, you know, like it's not no,
like it's like these people that have dedicated their live
to it, they're way better. I'm a stiff dancer. I
also see I get more shares than likes. I'm like,
I know why you're sharing it. You're sending to your
(15:06):
friends to make fun of me. That's fine, But like
I also look at it as if like, well, hopefully
one day you all will see when three years from now,
I'm still dancing, You'll and I'll be good, you know,
because I'm like, at some point I'm gonna get there
where it's like, oh, she's good, and then they're gonna
be like, damn, I've just made fun of this guy
for the last four years and haven't you know, progressed
in life, and he's over here actually good, you know,
(15:27):
really good. Now, maybe I should stop caring about what
people think, because maybe, like if I just kept doing
things without worrying about people's opinions, I could see similar success.
So I'm like, that's not why I'm dancing fully, but
I also that's why I'm documenting a lot of it
because I want people to see, like, hey, every amateur
expert was once an amateur. You got to start somewhere,
and if you just block out the noise, eventually you know,
you can get to where you want to go. And
(15:49):
I want people to just to not be fearful and like, oh,
he did it, so I can do it. So I'm like, oh,
you can see my all my videos, like from the
very beginning. I'm not taking them down, you know, from
the first dance video I did, you know, it's like
look at the progression, like and it took time. You know,
it's for me. People like that's as far as you've
gotten in two years. I'm like, great, that's good if
that's what you think, because maybe it'll take me five years.
But the point is is if you see me five
years later and I'm actually decent, it's like, well, hey,
(16:10):
that should go to show you that maybe you should
stop listening to random people's opinions and just go do it.
And it might not, you know, change overnight, but maybe
five years from now you'll get some success. So I
guess in a way, I'm like, I want That's why
I'm you know, documenting it. I'm like, this is what
your social media allows me to do, is like put
it out there to show people like, hey, once you
get over the fear of failure and the fear of
you know, judgment, you know, you can do some pretty
(16:32):
cool things.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Guys motivating me right now Jesus Christ dancing. But you
did you struggle? Did you struggle at all putting up
that first video? Because like you said, it is like
it's it's a vulnerable like you know, I would be
very like I would feel embarrassed, Like I would be
like can I put this.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
On the internet?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What if I put in? I know people are gonna
talk shit? Like was that a struggle?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh yeah, oh I remember I hit the first Like
right before I posted, I got like this like like
you know, I got like feeling where I was like, oh,
my stomach dropped, and I was like, I don't know
if I should post this, you know. But but really,
in that moment, I was so proud and like happy
with the video. I mean, I look back at it
now and all I was doing like this little like
two step. It was so simple. But in the moment
I was so overjoyed by the fact that, like I thought,
(17:17):
I was like I look good, I'm I'm on beat,
I got rhythm, you know, and so I just like, ah,
like that excitement trumped that fear for just to split second.
Then I posted it and and it actually the first
video I think was met with like a bair amount
of support, much more support than like my videos after
that got At first people were like, oh, this is cool,
and then they're like all right, man, like learn learn
(17:39):
to give it up. You're not you got two feet,
So like it was the first video had support, but
then it was like all right, you know, like dude,
figure it out, you're not good. So it was I mean,
I think it would have been interesting if i'd have
got like negative blowback at first.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What would that have done?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean somebody that I heard was, you know,
started dancing and apparently stopped because of the criticism. I
was pilot Beat. I guess he was dancing TikTok and
people were apparently tearing into him, and I guess I
don't know if that's why he stopped, but I mean,
apparently people were ruthless on his TikTok, And I'm like,
it's hard, Like it's hard to like because you're like,
why am I subjecting myself to this? So you know, uh, yeah,
(18:15):
if I had a negative reception off the first video,
I don't know. I would like to think I would
have still pushed through, but you know, you never know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I also think it's like, I just think that it's
a reflection on like a societal mentality of like you
shouldn't be doing things that you're not great at just
because you like them. Like if you're not great at something,
or you're not in six months great at dancing, like
why are you still doing this? And I think that's
a reflection of like, honestly, just like the culture right
(18:46):
now and just like people's mentality of themselves of like, well,
I would never do that because, like I'm not amazing
at it. And I think the reason you're getting so
much like positive feedback from dancers is the dance community
has like an understanding that, like dance is never going
to be perfect and it's not about perfection, and it
is about process, and there is such a positive mentality
(19:10):
around like the work that goes into it versus I
mean unless you're you know, like a prima ballerina, like
the final product, and even the final product, you're never
going to like find perfection, but you can find like
joy and happiness and movement, and it can all be
so therapeutic I personally love, and I think you you
can be like this too at times. Adults specifically that
(19:32):
will try things and not be embarrassed to not be
great at them, Like I feel like that's so hard,
Like I struggle to do things knowing I'm not going
to be great at them, just to enjoy them or
to learn to get better at something.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, I've accepted the fact that everything that I try
that's new, I'm terrible at, Like I'm I'm beyond bad
at it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're comfortable being like I'm not like when like they're swimming,
for example, like when we got together, you're not the
strongest swimmer, but you're like, I'm down to like be
kind of bad at this for a while all to
eventually get good at it. And I actually just like
enjoy swimming, and the more I get better, the more.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, that's also why I enjoyed being on Dancing with
the Stars. And I got a ton of hate, which
I didn't even realize because I was just like, people
love me. It's just like I'm the most popular man
of the world, though, But I got a ton of
hate because I was so bad at dancing.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But I was like, well, no shit, I'm fucking bad,
Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I'm from Melrose Park. I've never dance a day in
my life. I'm going up against real dancers. Suck my dick,
Like I know I'm bad, but like, yeah, I mean
that's kind of been but that's always been My mentality
is like I'm usually gonna go into this and I'm
not gonna be good, but if I truly enjoy doing it,
which I could be better at, like sticking with things,
(20:46):
because I will like eventually be all right.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I'm done doing that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Like I'm just not like I'm really trying to stick
with golf because I'm really bad at it, but like
I am slowly getting better, but it's probably gonna take
me like another couple of years to even like be
shooting close to the eighties.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But well, that's a hard sport, man. I just went
played top golf over the weekend and like my first
ten swings driving him straight, and I'm like, and then
after that, I started to loosen up, and then everything
started going left and right, and I was like, this
is such an agitating sport. But yeah, I mean, you
guys are right. There's a culture that it's like when
kids do it, it's endearing and even if they suck
(21:19):
at dancing or whatever, by by you know, societal standards,
it's like, oh, he's he's seven, Like what do you expect.
But then all of a sudden, we were thirty, They're like, oh,
go back to work, what are you doing? And again,
like I'm grateful that other people. What convinced me to
dance was I was actually taking an online dance class
in COVID and I got after like the first week,
they started doing the arm wave and stuff, and I'm like,
(21:39):
I can't do this, and I got agitated, so I quit.
But I what got me to even by the course,
was there was a testimonial of this fifty year old
man that was like documented his journey in his first
day of dancing, and he looked like a first day dancer.
But then after a year and a half of doing
it every day, he had his video within this like
two minute video where it's like here I am now
and he was good, and I was like, this guy's
(22:00):
fifty and that's incredible, Like and then I was like,
it's never too late to start something. So on day
one it looked cringey, sure, you know, but by day
you know, like four hundred, it was like whoa dude,
you got some serious moves. And so I was like, again,
there's no it's it's like this society looks at it like,
oh yeah, like at some point there's an expiration date
on when it's okay to try something new. And I'm like,
(22:21):
that's the problem with society is like people get to
a place where they're just like if you once, at
some point you need to figure it out in life.
You know, it's like you're you're thirty years old, you
should know what you want to do with your life.
And it's like, no, that's that's that's what most people
tell you. Like there's this like societal standard of go
to college, get a job, and then work that job
until you basically retire. That was the environment I grew up.
(22:42):
And it's like, get your job and then that you
basically work there for thirty years and retired. And it's
like that's one way to do life. Or you can
like continue to keep you know, trying new things and
then maybe you're a jack of all trades, master of none.
But that's actually a blessing. Is It's like once you
start to do all these different things, you like, you
start to actually become more diversified and have a better
understanding of the world. So I'm like, I think it's
(23:03):
a good thing Joe that you're like, hey, well, maybe
I don't want to stick with, you know, golf. It's
like you don't have to, you know, maybe like you
pick up a new hobby in six months, and there's
nothing wrong with like basically letting go of something after
three to six months. Maybe that's what you're just meant
to do. It's like I'm gonna give this a shot,
you know, and maybe all I need to know the
basics for this. There's nothing wrong with that. I think
it's a matter of like, do you stop something because
of the criticism, then it's a problem. But if you're
(23:24):
just stopping it because you're like, I'm losing interest in this,
and so be it. Like I'm doing classes right now
just because I saw something online and said anybody can sing,
And I was like, anybody can sing, like you're telling
me I can sound like, you know, the best. The
next country artist started, I'll try it, and it's not
really coming together.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So well, how long has it been.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I've been doing it once a week for the last
like month and a half, so it's not yeah, so
I haven't been doing it for long. But I think
I'm like, Okay, maybe everybody can hold a tune, but
not everyone's going to sound, you know, like Chris Stapleton.
So I think, like, now I'm real. I was like, okay, cool,
but like, until I tried it, I was like, I
would hate to find out seven years from now that
all of a sudden I had voice of an angel
and I didn't like, you know, pursue it. I love
singing it, so I sing all the time in my house,
(24:04):
you know, and so I have so make sure I'm
gonna give it a shot. But I'm almost at the
point where I'm like, I may let it go here
soon because I was like, yeah, I'm I don't. I
just don't have that right, Like I sound okay, but
I'm not meant to be a singer and whatever. But
at least I tried it, so now I know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, I think there's just there's certain things that like
you kind of have to be like naturally gifted, like
like like a voice. Like there's like I know, like
I could take singing lessons and like you said, maybe
hold the tomb, but like I know it's not gonna
sound good, like even with like like people like I
think they like to hear themselves sing in the shower
because I feel like you sound the best in the shower.
But even in the shower, I'm like, this is horrible,
(24:47):
but like but but I you know, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Still maybe I still sing.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, the shower is a big trigger,
because I think that's what else I got. I was
like a couple of times in the shower, I was like,
you know there might be something.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I sound amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I think you're America's best best kept secret right now,
like this beyond the shower Walls. Yeah, what what?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
How is your You have a podcast? Do you want
to tell us about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, it's probably be on the cover and and you know,
it's it's meant to have, you know, be there for
people to share their stories of you know, overcoming adversity.
So at first it started off with me when I'm interviewing,
just interview men because I was like, hey, you know,
I'm a man, so I want to speak with other
men so that we can like get this out there
because not enough men are talking, you know, speaking up. Actually,
(25:35):
then started having trouble trying to find men open up.
Most men naturally don't want to because they're fearful like
they'll be seen as less than and so I then
was like, yeah, but I also don't I want this
to be inclusive, and so I started bringing in women
to have discussions and had awesome conversations and helped me
learn more things, and I was like, okay, cool, so
I you know, and then it went from like being
(25:55):
people that have influenced to like I just want to
bring on people that anybody you know, anyone that's got
a compelling story. So you know, I enjoy it. I
don't think again, like I was like, I don't think
I'm meant to be a podcaster long term. I mean
if I am, then like it'll just manifest. But you know,
I'm like, I am, I'm gonna do this until like
until I don't you know. So it's cool and I
(26:17):
enjoy it because I like talking to people and learning
about them and just get to throw a camera in
front of me while I do it, and hopefully it
impacts other people, which I've gotten DM saying it has.
So that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Are you still like in the airbnb space, I know
you were doing that for a little bit real estate
and all that.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, my airbnb is a top one percent in
scott Still it kills it.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So oh congrats. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And also like I think scott still's going to keep
growing because you see that that that company, Taiwan Semiconductor
is like bringing like two hundred billion dollars in the
state of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Apple I think made a big investment in them, and
so yeah, they're talking about, you know, the next silicon Valley,
it's up in North Phoenix. But no, it's it's it's
not going to slow down at all, like the growth
of Scott Sale that people that you'll live here, Like, hey,
it's just beginning. It's not even at its peak. So
real estate wise, it's great. You know, it's expensive now,
but yeah, like the Airbnb kills it. I mean it's
(27:09):
really grateful for that. It's a good revenue stream. And
then I do you know, I'm a real estate advisor
and I also do solar panel sales, which this is
a very sunny state, so it's pretty easy to sell
solar panels. And yeah, like I've my life has been
the most normal it's been in three years. I mean,
this is the most irrelevant that I've been. But like
I don't say that in a bad way. It's just
like I've been off the grid. You know, no one's
(27:30):
really I've gotten back to a sense of normalcy and
I'm like, okay, cool, Like you know I feel good. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it does. I think, you know, again, there's
always that itch to be like wow, you know, I'd
love to like, you know, test the waters again, like
and put my this version of me out there and
see what happens. You know. So again that's why when
you ask like would I go on another show, It's
like sure, like I because this version of me is
(27:52):
different from the last version people saw, And I'm like, yeah,
I mean it was fun, you know. It's it's fun
to like go on these shows and meet people and
be like, are we really doing this? You know, like
how many times I sat down with you with the
guys and be like or even the girls on my
you know, on the Bachelor, and it was like, this
is real life, you know, like you know, like taking
a helicopter, landing in on a yacht and jumping off
the outer being an Iceland and dune bugging on the
(28:13):
black sand beaches, are going into an inactive volcano. I
was like, I never traveled in my life. Now I'm
doing all these things. And you know it's nice when
it's free too. You're like, I'm not paying for this,
so I can eat all the crab legs I want
and do all these exqui you know, extra extravagant things. Yeah,
I mean it's fun, and so it's just it's yeah,
it's it's it's I enjoy living a normal life now.
(28:34):
But but you know I would. I wouldn't mind, you know,
popping back up and doing some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Do you ever have girls head on uther Airbnb because
you're open about like, hey, this is my property.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah. Actually, so like eighty five percent of people that
book my Airbnb don't know who I am. Good because
like then it's like it means my Airbnb is sufficient,
you know, separate from me being you know, the Bachelor.
But never like hit on. No, I I just people
being like, hey, can you come take a picture, or
(29:06):
a couple of times I've had people be like hey
this this is broken or wait, we can't find this,
and I find feels like they're just trying to get
me to show up, and like I'm like, oh, it's
over there. They're like, oh great, also this and so
like I'll go over there. Though it's fun like to
talk to people and just get to know them, but
by the end of it, people are like, you're just
a normal dude. So uh no, most times, like I
(29:27):
don't I'm not like fresh off the show. I think
when I was fresh off, people are almost starstruck. You know,
you're the shiny object. Now it's just like it's just Clayton.
You know. So now I don't really get like the
like people are pretty respectful. They might be like, oh, hey,
I watched your season, Like I might I get those
those messages off through Airbnb a bunch.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'm assuming because we've been chatting about you potentially going
back on reality TV or doing a dating show that
you're single. But how has dating like been great?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's been a lot of fun because again, like this
version of me is like a tracting you know, the
type of woman that I have always wanted to like
be attracted to me. So I feel like I'm retracting
very open minded and are you know, very creative women,
and like I'm just having a blast, Like it's I
(30:16):
really like enjoy it. Yeah, I mean I've I've been happy.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Having like a fake baby, right, Like that was insane
congratulating won that core case. Correct.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, but she's still trying to she continues to try
to appeal, which oh, yeah, like you can go. She's
trying to take it to the Arizona Supreme Court now
and then if that doesn't work, they're going to take
it to the United States Supreme Court. It's like, hey,
take it.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
At this point, You're like you could have had she
could have had two babies in the amount of time
that this has been going on.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You just can't admit fault. So you know it's agitating
because I'm like my lawyers, I'm like, guys, like I
don't want them to keep working on I'm like I
want I'm like, like I want us to move on
right like anybody in the to But it's like, yeah,
that's like we keep spending money and keep doing this
and spending time, and I'm like I don't want to,
Like I'm like, I just want this to be done with.
But you know, I'm dealing with somebody that doesn't think
normally and so they're going to exhaust all options. So
(31:09):
you know that affected me for a bit where I
obviously was like very nervous, nervous to like interact because
I was like, what happens if I go on a
day with another girl and that that and like she
decides to go crazy on me because you know, this
girl wasn't crazy until she was Like she was so
normal until she wasn't until she snapped. So you know
that that affected me at one point. But you know
now I'm just like if I catch another crazy one
(31:32):
then so be it.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Like it's just like, what are the odds, knock on
wood that this happens to you twice? You know, like
maybe this was your one and.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
If this I haven't see you again then I mean at.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Some point you start to want for your life, you're
something like it.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So I'm like, Clay, you got some bad karma, you know,
And I at this point, I'm like, I think I
burnt most of it off, but but who knows. I mean,
if it comes back again, I'm just like, yeah, you
might need to uh look in the mirror a couple
more times and really really figure out what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well I think I think you'll be able to figure
it out either way. I'm very happy for you for real,
like you seem to be in a great place and
this was of really I really enjoyed this conversation. I
feel like I'm actually taking something away from this. So yeah,
thank you so much for taking the time and hopping
on Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Thanks guys for having me. This was awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I really appreciate both of you, of course, and to
our listeners, thank you for listening to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Make sure you download and subscribe.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
We have more exclusive interviews coming your way every single week,
and thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Bye,
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch A Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and we are back for part two with Clayton.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Clayton, welcome back. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
What what what is your opinion? Did you watch Grant's finale? Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah, well yeah, I was there.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So well, I didn't know if they was. What's your
what was your opinion on how he handled it?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I thought he handled it well.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
To be honest with you, I got at one point
a bit triggered during the finale because listen, I saw
both sides. I could understand where Letia was coming from,
but I also, you know, thought she could have went
about it a bit differently. I think that she just
really dug into him deeper than she needed to. And
(00:48):
and to me, I said, I was you know, he
was apologizing, and I'm like, yeah, he made mistakes, but
like I think you're just kicking someone when they're down
again my perspective, because I had felt that, you know,
somebody did that to me, you know, on my IFR
and I wasn't you know, a fan of that. I'm like, listen,
I'm wrong, and I'm sorry or you know, I upset you,
but I I just felt like she took it a
(01:09):
bit too far, but then again, like she did what
she thought was best, and I don't like hold I'm
not holding it against her. I just I of course
I related to him because like I sat there and
was like they brought me here because he did something
similar to me, so naturally, Like I was like, I
get where he's at. And I think he you know,
said like hey, I'm sorry and handled it and didn't
(01:29):
try to, like, you know, over explain himself. And I'm like,
you know, that's the best you can do. But I
understand where she's coming from too, you know. It's just
it's like, I don't nothing she did was wrong. I
just I kind of felt similar to him, Like I
was like, wow, I'm sitting in their audience, but I
was like I almost feel like I'm in like back
on the hot seat, watching like me from three years ago,
(01:50):
you know. And so it's just a weird moment.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But you know, I think in that situation, what we
got to see with you a little bit more that
we didn't get the chance to see in Grant Latia's conversation.
This could have just been due to timing. I mean,
it's so short, is I was waiting for them to
address the why with Grant and Letia, like why did
you do this? Why did you say this? And I
(02:14):
feel like, again, it very well could have just been
like it's a short conversation and you don't get there
and that's a bigger, deeper conversation. But I do feel
like we got more of that with you, like you
were always keen to say like I did this and
like expand on like this is why I thought that
was a good idea at the time.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, I mean again, like it's that's why unless you're
Grant or Latia, like you don't really know what was
all said. So it's like this he says this, she
says this in the middle is the reality and the truth.
But again, like the truth is also dependent upon like
it's skewed by perspective, and so you know, we can
only judge based off what, you know, what we hear
in seeing that moment. So ultimately, I'm like, you know,
(02:56):
I don't I don't see one of them as right
or one of them as wrong. It just yeah, it's
like we don't know, like there could be one bit
of context that if added would completely sway my opinion.
You know, like I say that I associated or you know,
you know, associated more with Grant, but like had an
additional piece of information but put out there where it's
like here's he is on camera saying this exact thing
(03:17):
that you know. It's like, oh, okay, well now I'm
over on Team Latia right, Like I don't it could
switch that quickly.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, you get anxiety going to the finales. You have
to have a little bit just like a bodily response
being back in that room at that time with a finale.
I don't know, I feel like whenever I watch like
certain episodes of the show, I feel a type of way,
like whenever I watch Hometowns every season, I feel like
a little type of way.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah. I actually, Susie was at the finale, sitting right
in front of me, and I like between the breaks,
I leaned forward and I was like, yeah, this is
bringing up some old feelings. I was like, this isn't
really fun anymore. You know, Like it got to a
point where it was so tense at the finale that
I was just like, yeah, I'm starting to feel triggered
a bit and like not enough where I was like
(04:04):
I need to walk out of here. But I was
just like, ugh, like I got this pit in my
stomach where I'm like I don't like seeing you know,
basically it's like pick a side, and I'm like, no,
you know, both people did some things right and did
some things wrong, and probably you know, they could share
the blame, but unfortunately, you know, it's it makes sense
from a show perspective to like how people choose sides
(04:25):
because that fosters conversation. It's like we don't want it
to be like, oh, everyone's you know, equally at blame
and that's it. No, like they want you know, people
to be you know, things to be sparked, and so
like that's what's happening right now. I mean we're looking
at the post show. You know, I've seen like clips
and stuff off they're asking now what Grant thinks about
Latia's response and vice versa, and it's like here comes
(04:45):
like the you know, really them hammering down and I'm like, okay,
you can choose to like stand firm on your side.
This is what keeps people talking and that's ultimately what
you know, the show wants, and I get it. So
it's like hard because you're just like I want us
all to be friends, but I don't think that can happen.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
What was it like seeing Susie?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Her and I have like seen each other so many
times since the show and have had conversations on the phone,
Like that wasn't like I hadn't seen her in three years.
I think I saw her, I think six months prior
to that point, we did a podcast together, you know,
to me like she's an old friend, you know, or
she's still a friend. But I ultimately know that, like,
you know, we we tried to make it work and
(05:25):
then ultimately it's just like, hey this we're not compatible.
So now, I mean, she's one of the few people
that knows more than most people know because I told
her everything. She lived it with me, So there's a
lot of things that are unsaid where I can just
spark up a conversation with her and she gets it,
you know. So it's always great to see her, you know,
and it's it's like a friend they're like, oh, hey,
like you get it. So I'm always happy to see her.
(05:48):
But there's you know, there's no chance of that ever rekindling,
at least I don't think so. It would. It would
be a surprise.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I will say though in in he said, like they
were reminded you of like your situation of kind of
being like kicked when you're down. But I think from
like Latilla's point of view, she's probably looking at Grant
like you kind of have everything right now, like you're
in a happy relationship, you're engaged. You might yeah, you
(06:15):
might be getting a little bit of backlash, but like
I I was planning on, like I wanted to marry
you and potentially have kids with you, and you led
me on this whole way. So yeah, I'm gonna kick
you even if you are down. And I think your
situation is a little different because like you you got
a lot of hate, Like you got like way too
(06:37):
much hate. Yeah, and you got a lot of it
where I don't really I don't think Grant really did.
Like there's definitely some people that are like pro Latilla,
but I just don't think the it's it's the same
as in your case. Like you you like the Internet,
I you know, and I don't want to like bring
up old feelings or anything, but I feel like the
Internet like they kind of like went after you, like
(06:59):
from the fucking jump.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they did. They and unfortunately, you know,
it was like, get we're looking for a reason to
hate this guy, you know, and it went all the
way back to you know, I was chosen over six
minut of color, and that was already tense. You know.
People were already like why did you choose this guy
over the over them? And I thought the same thing.
I'm like, they're all deserving. I ultimately I accepted the role, though,
but it was I was already at a deficit, you know,
(07:23):
at that point. That was a you know thing that
I saw online quite a bit. And then once I
actually you know, gave them something to dislike, it was
like there it is. We knew this guy was a
piece of shit, and so they basically just leveled into
me and it was like, let's cancel this guy. I
mean that's seriously like it was just like at any
people were just looking to have an excuse. And I
mean the messages that I got, the hate messages to
kill yourself comments, I mean I got them by the thousands,
(07:44):
and it was, you know, just a lot. But you know,
to go back to yeah, I mean again, you have
to understand I didn't watch the season, so like I
didn't see the context, So like Letia, I'm not saying she,
I just I think going off of one episode live,
I felt the feeling of being in the hot seat
like Grant was, and really related to that and was like, Okay,
I get it, like he said some stuff and he
(08:06):
apparently said these things that are off camera that weren't shared,
you know, and like he's happy with somebody right now,
but like instead, it's like you're almost sowing seeds of
doubt into the mind of the person that he's with,
which like I don't like that. It's like he's found somebody.
But to your point, it's like, you know, he's basically
on top of the world and has his person and
(08:27):
she's left in second place with nothing right like, and
so it's like could she you know, She's like, hey,
you got everything and ultimately got to do what you
did and still come out victorious and I basically get
kicked to the curb. I'm sure. I mean again, that's
probably what it feels like. So you know, is it justified?
I mean could be. Yeah. Again, I don't like, I
just can only go off of like that one, you
know episode, So I certainly don't like I don't want
(08:50):
people to think that. I'm like, oh, it was wrong.
I just am saying I related to like how he
felt in that moment, and I was like, okay, like
I get it, but like he's happy now, Like I
don't think you need to keep sowing these seeds of
doubt and Juliana's mind because now what happens when she's like, wait,
she wasn't aware of this. Now she might end up
breaking up with the guy. And he's already struggling. I knew.
I mean, he was struggling with a lot of the
criticism online. So I was like this guy, like don't
(09:10):
I don't want to see him go to a place
that I like that I went to, you know. So
it was more out of like me. I was more
like in a protective statement, like I get like, don't
keep trying to bury him. This guy's clearly struggling. I mean,
I can see his post online. He struggles with the
criticism and rightfully, so I mean, like I get it
just the same way I did. But I'm like, I
can tell he's really hurting. I'm like, just like, don't
(09:33):
do this to him, because if you tear him down
and then like God forbid, you get you know, Juliana
to like leave him. He's going to be in a
really bad place, and I'm like I don't want to
see that. So like just he's learned, Like can we
just move on? Like that's kind of where it was at.
I was like, I didn't like that. I felt like
she was shoving him down deeper into a place where
it's like you're gonna put him into a bad valley.
But again, like nobody really knows like how badly someone's
(09:55):
hurting until they're in their own mind. I just felt
like I was like, oh, I can see Grants already hurting.
I don't want this to get worse.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, it makes sense, and I think you could sympathize
with both both people and especially you because you were
in that situation.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So yeah, I get that.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You obviously have you know, had to change mindset about
your time on the show. But naturally there's still going
to be elements that are and maybe always will be
hard to look back on or still triggering. At this time,
people are.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Gonna listen to this podcast and be like they're gonna
pull one thing you said.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It'd be like we still hate.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
They're gonna they're gonna pull that first section of me
saying I didn't agree with it, was like, how dare
he already know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
What typical typical Clayton's.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They're not gonna They're not going to listen to the
back half of this conversation. I guarantee you They'll take
that clip and it'll find its way on Reddit because
that's the place where like I'm like, that's where they'll go,
and so I'm like, go go for it. They will
clip that one part and be like, see he hasn't learned.
I don't give a ship, but like they will a
thousand percent. I mean again, every time I have one
a camera, it's like they're just going to clip whatever
they want to, you know, get get someone riled up.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I hate that. But with that being said, would you
ever consider going on Paradise within like something again within
the franchise or any other dating shows?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean absolutely. You know, I've got to
a place where I'm just like, hey, I don't want
to live a normal life, and I haven't really at
this point so far. So I was like, I want
to just look back at the end of it all.
You know. It's like when people lay on their deathbeds
it's like, what are their biggest regrets. They're like, I
wish I'd taken more risks, and I wish I would
care less what people thought. So I'm like, okay, Like
(11:43):
that's a great life lesson if that's what's being said
by the majority of people. I never want to get
to that place and be one of them. So I'm
going to do everything I can so that when I
lay on my deathbed, neither of those things come out
of my mouth. And I feel like I've gotten to
a place where I don't care about stranger's criticism anymore.
So I'm like, okay, cool, you have that and now
live a life with no regrets, you know I I
(12:03):
and so that way, you're not going to be like
I wish i'd did more. I'm like, no, I'm gonna
do more, so I don't have to, you know, look
back and be one of those people. So, yeah, I
would do it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, yeah, well, so we might see you on
another dating show in the future, maybe Paradise.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's possible, man, anything is possible. I always have some
surprises of my sleeve.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I do like and I know it. It's like live
life with no regrets.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's like kind of a cliche, but like also like
I truly believe that is how you.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Should live life. And I also don't.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think like people say, like I live with no regrets,
but most people like don't do it, or if they
do it, it's it's you know, they maybe do it
to like a you know, a thirty percent max. Where
like if you really live with no regrets, that's the
way to live.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Is that what's inspired? Like, for example, you're dancing, Like,
was that the mentality shift that kind of inspired you
to start trying new things?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I got to a place where I said, if you
stop caring about people's opinions, what would you do? And
I was like, well, dancing. I've always wanted to dance.
I think, you know, like I love women that can dance.
I think it's so attractive, and it's a very vulnerable
place to be, you know, to put to put your
body out there and move your body like it's one
of the most vulnerable things you can do in my opinion.
(13:21):
So for me it was like a challenge. I thought, hey,
like I'll do this, and then I was shocked at
what it did to my confidence and my overall self love.
I mean, dance has changed my life, like legitimately changed
my life. I've I've found a newer sense of style,
a greater appreciation for the creative arts. I found a
(13:41):
community within that They're open minded. Dancers are like super
open minded and super positive. They're just like happy that
you're doing their passion, you know, And like I got
dancers that are like ten times a million times better
than me, and they are the biggest hype men and
women because they're just so happy that someone else is
partaking in their favorite, you know, passion, and so there's
so much love and just connection and support that I'm like,
(14:05):
these are the kind of people that, you know, fill
my cup and you know, that's why I go there
four times a week now. I love being a part
of it. My dance instructor is super awesome. She's you know,
been my therapist at times. Like sometimes we'll just be
dancing and I will half the time I'll be talking.
I won't even dance because it's like movement therapy, and
so it really was a form of therapy. So yeah,
(14:25):
like that certainly was you know, dancing for me was like,
what's something that I can do that It's really hard?
But that like, I can, you know, challenge myself to
do just to like, just to see if I can
do it, And dance became that avenue, and then you know,
I started getting really great feedback online from people. And
again I get a lot of blowbacks. Still, I mean,
I'm not, you know, I don't think I'm the best dancer.
(14:46):
I'm very aware. I think people are like, does he
think he's good? I'm like, I know, how good of
a dancer? I am like, I'm not. I can see,
you know, the best dancers out there, and then I
can see my videos and I'm not like, oh, you know,
we're like we're close, you know, like it's not no,
like it's like these people that have dedicated their live
to it, they're way better. I'm a stiff dancer. I
also see I get more shares than likes. I'm like,
I know why you're sharing it. You're sending to your
(15:06):
friends to make fun of me. That's fine, But like
I also look at it as if like, well, hopefully
one day you all will see when three years from now,
I'm still dancing, You'll and I'll be good, you know,
because I'm like, at some point I'm gonna get there
where it's like, oh, she's good, and then they're gonna
be like, damn, I've just made fun of this guy
for the last four years and haven't you know, progressed
in life, and he's over here actually good, you know,
(15:27):
really good. Now, maybe I should stop caring about what
people think, because maybe, like if I just kept doing
things without worrying about people's opinions, I could see similar success.
So I'm like, that's not why I'm dancing fully, but
I also that's why I'm documenting a lot of it
because I want people to see, like, hey, every amateur
expert was once an amateur. You got to start somewhere,
and if you just block out the noise, eventually you know,
you can get to where you want to go. And
(15:49):
I want people to just to not be fearful and like, oh,
he did it, so I can do it. So I'm like, oh,
you can see my all my videos, like from the
very beginning. I'm not taking them down, you know, from
the first dance video I did, you know, it's like
look at the progression, like and it took time. You know,
it's for me. People like that's as far as you've
gotten in two years. I'm like, great, that's good if
that's what you think, because maybe it'll take me five years.
But the point is is if you see me five
years later and I'm actually decent, it's like, well, hey,
(16:10):
that should go to show you that maybe you should
stop listening to random people's opinions and just go do it.
And it might not, you know, change overnight, but maybe
five years from now you'll get some success. So I
guess in a way, I'm like, I want That's why
I'm you know, documenting it. I'm like, this is what
your social media allows me to do, is like put
it out there to show people like, hey, once you
get over the fear of failure and the fear of
you know, judgment, you know, you can do some pretty
(16:32):
cool things.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Guys motivating me right now Jesus Christ dancing. But you
did you struggle? Did you struggle at all putting up
that first video? Because like you said, it is like
it's it's a vulnerable like you know, I would be
very like I would feel embarrassed, Like I would be
like can I put this.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
On the internet?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What if I put in? I know people are gonna
talk shit? Like was that a struggle?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh yeah, oh I remember I hit the first Like
right before I posted, I got like this like like
you know, I got like feeling where I was like, oh,
my stomach dropped, and I was like, I don't know
if I should post this, you know. But but really,
in that moment, I was so proud and like happy
with the video. I mean, I look back at it
now and all I was doing like this little like
two step. It was so simple. But in the moment
I was so overjoyed by the fact that, like I thought,
(17:17):
I was like I look good, I'm I'm on beat,
I got rhythm, you know, and so I just like, ah,
like that excitement trumped that fear for just to split second.
Then I posted it and and it actually the first
video I think was met with like a bair amount
of support, much more support than like my videos after
that got At first people were like, oh, this is cool,
and then they're like all right, man, like learn learn
(17:39):
to give it up. You're not you got two feet,
So like it was the first video had support, but
then it was like all right, you know, like dude,
figure it out, you're not good. So it was I mean,
I think it would have been interesting if i'd have
got like negative blowback at first.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What would that have done?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean somebody that I heard was, you know,
started dancing and apparently stopped because of the criticism. I
was pilot Beat. I guess he was dancing TikTok and
people were apparently tearing into him, and I guess I
don't know if that's why he stopped, but I mean,
apparently people were ruthless on his TikTok, And I'm like,
it's hard, Like it's hard to like because you're like,
why am I subjecting myself to this? So you know, uh, yeah,
(18:15):
if I had a negative reception off the first video,
I don't know. I would like to think I would
have still pushed through, but you know, you never know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I also think it's like, I just think that it's
a reflection on like a societal mentality of like you
shouldn't be doing things that you're not great at just
because you like them. Like if you're not great at something,
or you're not in six months great at dancing, like
why are you still doing this? And I think that's
a reflection of like, honestly, just like the culture right
(18:46):
now and just like people's mentality of themselves of like, well,
I would never do that because, like I'm not amazing
at it. And I think the reason you're getting so
much like positive feedback from dancers is the dance community
has like an understanding that, like dance is never going
to be perfect and it's not about perfection, and it
is about process, and there is such a positive mentality
(19:10):
around like the work that goes into it versus I
mean unless you're you know, like a prima ballerina, like
the final product, and even the final product, you're never
going to like find perfection, but you can find like
joy and happiness and movement, and it can all be
so therapeutic I personally love, and I think you you
can be like this too at times. Adults specifically that
(19:32):
will try things and not be embarrassed to not be
great at them, Like I feel like that's so hard,
Like I struggle to do things knowing I'm not going
to be great at them, just to enjoy them or
to learn to get better at something.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, I've accepted the fact that everything that I try
that's new, I'm terrible at, Like I'm I'm beyond bad
at it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You're comfortable being like I'm not like when like they're swimming,
for example, like when we got together, you're not the
strongest swimmer, but you're like, I'm down to like be
kind of bad at this for a while all to
eventually get good at it. And I actually just like
enjoy swimming, and the more I get better, the more.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, that's also why I enjoyed being on Dancing with
the Stars. And I got a ton of hate, which
I didn't even realize because I was just like, people
love me. It's just like I'm the most popular man
of the world, though, But I got a ton of
hate because I was so bad at dancing.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But I was like, well, no shit, I'm fucking bad,
Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I'm from Melrose Park. I've never dance a day in
my life. I'm going up against real dancers. Suck my dick,
Like I know I'm bad, but like, yeah, I mean
that's kind of been but that's always been My mentality
is like I'm usually gonna go into this and I'm
not gonna be good, but if I truly enjoy doing it,
which I could be better at, like sticking with things,
(20:46):
because I will like eventually be all right.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I'm done doing that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Like I'm just not like I'm really trying to stick
with golf because I'm really bad at it, but like
I am slowly getting better, but it's probably gonna take
me like another couple of years to even like be
shooting close to the eighties.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But well, that's a hard sport, man. I just went
played top golf over the weekend and like my first
ten swings driving him straight, and I'm like, and then
after that, I started to loosen up, and then everything
started going left and right, and I was like, this
is such an agitating sport. But yeah, I mean, you
guys are right. There's a culture that it's like when
kids do it, it's endearing and even if they suck
(21:19):
at dancing or whatever, by by you know, societal standards,
it's like, oh, he's he's seven, Like what do you expect.
But then all of a sudden, we were thirty, They're like, oh,
go back to work, what are you doing? And again,
like I'm grateful that other people. What convinced me to
dance was I was actually taking an online dance class
in COVID and I got after like the first week,
they started doing the arm wave and stuff, and I'm like,
(21:39):
I can't do this, and I got agitated, so I quit.
But I what got me to even by the course,
was there was a testimonial of this fifty year old
man that was like documented his journey in his first
day of dancing, and he looked like a first day dancer.
But then after a year and a half of doing
it every day, he had his video within this like
two minute video where it's like here I am now
and he was good, and I was like, this guy's
(22:00):
fifty and that's incredible, Like and then I was like,
it's never too late to start something. So on day
one it looked cringey, sure, you know, but by day
you know, like four hundred, it was like whoa dude,
you got some serious moves. And so I was like, again,
there's no it's it's like this society looks at it like,
oh yeah, like at some point there's an expiration date
on when it's okay to try something new. And I'm like,
(22:21):
that's the problem with society is like people get to
a place where they're just like if you once, at
some point you need to figure it out in life.
You know, it's like you're you're thirty years old, you
should know what you want to do with your life.
And it's like, no, that's that's that's what most people
tell you. Like there's this like societal standard of go
to college, get a job, and then work that job
until you basically retire. That was the environment I grew up.
(22:42):
And it's like, get your job and then that you
basically work there for thirty years and retired. And it's
like that's one way to do life. Or you can
like continue to keep you know, trying new things and
then maybe you're a jack of all trades, master of none.
But that's actually a blessing. Is It's like once you
start to do all these different things, you like, you
start to actually become more diversified and have a better
understanding of the world. So I'm like, I think it's
(23:03):
a good thing Joe that you're like, hey, well, maybe
I don't want to stick with, you know, golf. It's
like you don't have to, you know, maybe like you
pick up a new hobby in six months, and there's
nothing wrong with like basically letting go of something after
three to six months. Maybe that's what you're just meant
to do. It's like I'm gonna give this a shot,
you know, and maybe all I need to know the
basics for this. There's nothing wrong with that. I think
it's a matter of like, do you stop something because
of the criticism, then it's a problem. But if you're
(23:24):
just stopping it because you're like, I'm losing interest in this,
and so be it. Like I'm doing classes right now
just because I saw something online and said anybody can sing,
And I was like, anybody can sing, like you're telling
me I can sound like, you know, the best. The
next country artist started, I'll try it, and it's not
really coming together.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So well, how long has it been.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I've been doing it once a week for the last
like month and a half, so it's not yeah, so
I haven't been doing it for long. But I think
I'm like, Okay, maybe everybody can hold a tune, but
not everyone's going to sound, you know, like Chris Stapleton.
So I think, like, now I'm real. I was like, okay, cool,
but like, until I tried it, I was like, I
would hate to find out seven years from now that
all of a sudden I had voice of an angel
and I didn't like, you know, pursue it. I love
singing it, so I sing all the time in my house,
(24:04):
you know, and so I have so make sure I'm
gonna give it a shot. But I'm almost at the
point where I'm like, I may let it go here
soon because I was like, yeah, I'm I don't. I
just don't have that right, Like I sound okay, but
I'm not meant to be a singer and whatever. But
at least I tried it, so now I know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, I think there's just there's certain things that like
you kind of have to be like naturally gifted, like
like like a voice. Like there's like I know, like
I could take singing lessons and like you said, maybe
hold the tomb, but like I know it's not gonna
sound good, like even with like like people like I
think they like to hear themselves sing in the shower
because I feel like you sound the best in the shower.
But even in the shower, I'm like, this is horrible,
(24:47):
but like but but I you know, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Still maybe I still sing.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, the shower is a big trigger,
because I think that's what else I got. I was
like a couple of times in the shower, I was like,
you know there might be something.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I sound amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I think you're America's best best kept secret right now,
like this beyond the shower Walls. Yeah, what what?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
How is your You have a podcast? Do you want
to tell us about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, it's probably be on the cover and and you know,
it's it's meant to have, you know, be there for
people to share their stories of you know, overcoming adversity.
So at first it started off with me when I'm interviewing,
just interview men because I was like, hey, you know,
I'm a man, so I want to speak with other
men so that we can like get this out there
because not enough men are talking, you know, speaking up. Actually,
(25:35):
then started having trouble trying to find men open up.
Most men naturally don't want to because they're fearful like
they'll be seen as less than and so I then
was like, yeah, but I also don't I want this
to be inclusive, and so I started bringing in women
to have discussions and had awesome conversations and helped me
learn more things, and I was like, okay, cool, so
I you know, and then it went from like being
(25:55):
people that have influenced to like I just want to
bring on people that anybody you know, anyone that's got
a compelling story. So you know, I enjoy it. I
don't think again, like I was like, I don't think
I'm meant to be a podcaster long term. I mean
if I am, then like it'll just manifest. But you know,
I'm like, I am, I'm gonna do this until like
until I don't you know. So it's cool and I
(26:17):
enjoy it because I like talking to people and learning
about them and just get to throw a camera in
front of me while I do it, and hopefully it
impacts other people, which I've gotten DM saying it has.
So that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Are you still like in the airbnb space, I know
you were doing that for a little bit real estate
and all that.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, my airbnb is a top one percent in
scott Still it kills it.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So oh congrats. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And also like I think scott still's going to keep
growing because you see that that that company, Taiwan Semiconductor
is like bringing like two hundred billion dollars in the
state of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Apple I think made a big investment in them, and
so yeah, they're talking about, you know, the next silicon Valley,
it's up in North Phoenix. But no, it's it's it's
not going to slow down at all, like the growth
of Scott Sale that people that you'll live here, Like, hey,
it's just beginning. It's not even at its peak. So
real estate wise, it's great. You know, it's expensive now,
but yeah, like the Airbnb kills it. I mean it's
(27:09):
really grateful for that. It's a good revenue stream. And
then I do you know, I'm a real estate advisor
and I also do solar panel sales, which this is
a very sunny state, so it's pretty easy to sell
solar panels. And yeah, like I've my life has been
the most normal it's been in three years. I mean,
this is the most irrelevant that I've been. But like
I don't say that in a bad way. It's just
like I've been off the grid. You know, no one's
(27:30):
really I've gotten back to a sense of normalcy and
I'm like, okay, cool, Like you know I feel good. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it does. I think, you know, again, there's
always that itch to be like wow, you know, I'd
love to like, you know, test the waters again, like
and put my this version of me out there and
see what happens. You know. So again that's why when
you ask like would I go on another show, It's
like sure, like I because this version of me is
(27:52):
different from the last version people saw, And I'm like, yeah,
I mean it was fun, you know. It's it's fun
to like go on these shows and meet people and
be like, are we really doing this? You know, like
how many times I sat down with you with the
guys and be like or even the girls on my
you know, on the Bachelor, and it was like, this
is real life, you know, like you know, like taking
a helicopter, landing in on a yacht and jumping off
the outer being an Iceland and dune bugging on the
(28:13):
black sand beaches, are going into an inactive volcano. I
was like, I never traveled in my life. Now I'm
doing all these things. And you know it's nice when
it's free too. You're like, I'm not paying for this,
so I can eat all the crab legs I want
and do all these exqui you know, extra extravagant things. Yeah,
I mean it's fun, and so it's just it's yeah,
it's it's it's I enjoy living a normal life now.
(28:34):
But but you know I would. I wouldn't mind, you know,
popping back up and doing some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Do you ever have girls head on uther Airbnb because
you're open about like, hey, this is my property.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah. Actually, so like eighty five percent of people that
book my Airbnb don't know who I am. Good because
like then it's like it means my Airbnb is sufficient,
you know, separate from me being you know, the Bachelor.
But never like hit on. No, I I just people
being like, hey, can you come take a picture, or
(29:06):
a couple of times I've had people be like hey
this this is broken or wait, we can't find this,
and I find feels like they're just trying to get
me to show up, and like I'm like, oh, it's
over there. They're like, oh great, also this and so
like I'll go over there. Though it's fun like to
talk to people and just get to know them, but
by the end of it, people are like, you're just
a normal dude. So uh no, most times, like I
(29:27):
don't I'm not like fresh off the show. I think
when I was fresh off, people are almost starstruck. You know,
you're the shiny object. Now it's just like it's just Clayton.
You know. So now I don't really get like the
like people are pretty respectful. They might be like, oh, hey,
I watched your season, Like I might I get those
those messages off through Airbnb a bunch.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'm assuming because we've been chatting about you potentially going
back on reality TV or doing a dating show that
you're single. But how has dating like been great?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's been a lot of fun because again, like this
version of me is like a tracting you know, the
type of woman that I have always wanted to like
be attracted to me. So I feel like I'm retracting
very open minded and are you know, very creative women,
and like I'm just having a blast, Like it's I
(30:16):
really like enjoy it. Yeah, I mean I've I've been happy.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Having like a fake baby, right, Like that was insane
congratulating won that core case. Correct.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, but she's still trying to she continues to try
to appeal, which oh, yeah, like you can go. She's
trying to take it to the Arizona Supreme Court now
and then if that doesn't work, they're going to take
it to the United States Supreme Court. It's like, hey,
take it.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
At this point, You're like you could have had she
could have had two babies in the amount of time
that this has been going on.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You just can't admit fault. So you know it's agitating
because I'm like my lawyers, I'm like, guys, like I
don't want them to keep working on I'm like I
want I'm like, like I want us to move on
right like anybody in the to But it's like, yeah,
that's like we keep spending money and keep doing this
and spending time, and I'm like I don't want to,
Like I'm like, I just want this to be done with.
But you know, I'm dealing with somebody that doesn't think
normally and so they're going to exhaust all options. So
(31:09):
you know that affected me for a bit where I
obviously was like very nervous, nervous to like interact because
I was like, what happens if I go on a
day with another girl and that that and like she
decides to go crazy on me because you know, this
girl wasn't crazy until she was Like she was so
normal until she wasn't until she snapped. So you know
that that affected me at one point. But you know
now I'm just like if I catch another crazy one
(31:32):
then so be it.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Like it's just like, what are the odds, knock on
wood that this happens to you twice? You know, like
maybe this was your one and.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
If this I haven't see you again then I mean at.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Some point you start to want for your life, you're
something like it.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So I'm like, Clay, you got some bad karma, you know,
And I at this point, I'm like, I think I
burnt most of it off, but but who knows. I mean,
if it comes back again, I'm just like, yeah, you
might need to uh look in the mirror a couple
more times and really really figure out what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well I think I think you'll be able to figure
it out either way. I'm very happy for you for real,
like you seem to be in a great place and
this was of really I really enjoyed this conversation. I
feel like I'm actually taking something away from this. So yeah,
thank you so much for taking the time and hopping
on Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Thanks guys for having me. This was awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I really appreciate both of you, of course, and to
our listeners, thank you for listening to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Make sure you download and subscribe.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
We have more exclusive interviews coming your way every single week,
and thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Bye,
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