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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy news week and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
Black Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information
Network news anchors Esther Dillard and Doug Davis to discuss
this week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network
Daily Podcast, and I'm your host, Ramses job.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, Doug and Esther, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Esther, outside of the morning soup that you're eating, what's
the latest in your world?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm still rubbing and happy over winning a second Gracie Award,
So that's one of them that's really happy.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
All right, Okay, I'm not mad. I love that actually,
So Doug, Man, what's the latest to you?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I actually won the men's college basketball tournament here in
Las Vegas. I put a couple of dollars down and hey,
you know, I scored big. All right, fantastic man.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I wish I could say the same.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I don't think anybody's handing out in the awards out
my way, but you know, maybe that'll change soon.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So here's hoping hadulates again. Esther, thank you. You guys
are funny. All right. Well, let's get to the news. First.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Up, the phrase elections have consequences showed itself to be
true this week, as members of the US Supreme Court,
many of whom either support the current president or were
appointed by him, ruled on a case involving immigration and policy. Esther,
there's a lot to unpack with the story, so let's
start with you. Tell us more about the High Court's
ruling and the doug we'll get.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Your thoughts next.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, the US Supreme Court upheld Trump the Trump administration's
use of the seventeen to ninety eight Alien Enemies Act
to deport alleged Venezuelan gang members. Now, this follows the
deportation of over one hundred and thirty individuals to El
Salvador without due process. This has sparked some legal challenges.
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Critics argue that the act's application isn't inappropriate during peacetime
and it violates civil liberties. The administration maintains that the
deportees are necessary or the deportations are necessary for national security.
There have been reports of family members of individuals within
that group saying that they weren't part of any gang
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and they were targeted because of their ethnicity and that
they had tattoos that authorities said were gang tattoos, when
reports are some of them were autism awareness tattoos and
sports team's tattoos. Although this may seem like a win
for the Trump administration, some legal advocates say that the
ruling does give anyone picked up the right to first
receive notice before they're picked up, and they can challenge
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their deportation in court. Legal advocates highlight that this decision
affirms the right of detainees to get legal counsel and
can test their removal through habeas corpus petitions, but many
critics say that this doesn't help the one hundred and
thirty folks who were already shipped out and branded as
gang members when family members are saying adamantly they weren't
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part of any gang.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Doug your thoughts, like you said, a lot to unpack here.
I'm going to take a deep dive on this topic here.
So this ruling could set the backdrop for Republicans to
push to limit judicial power.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Hear me out.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So right now, Congressional leaders are mulling over the No
Rogue Rulings Act that aims to limit the power of
district court judges when it comes to using nationwide injunctions.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
So what does this mean for Black America?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And you'll you'll you'll get why I'm making this this
this point. So for Black America, you know, if that
does happen, our civil rights could be in jeopardy. Injunctions,
you know, they've been used to block a lot of
policies that directly hurt black communities. So, for example, injunctions
have block voter id laws and efforts to jerrymander voting
districts that effect the power of the black vote. Injunctions
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have block voter suppression measures as well. So when we
circle back around to immigration, black immigrants may you know,
you know, face tougher immigration policies if these injunctions, you know,
are dismissed. So for instance, travel band you know, fuel uh,
you know, could impact black immigrants if district courts can't
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block them. Then you know, when we talk about economics,
let's say, if you know, housing policies, uh that scene
as discriminatory in the state. If a nationwide injunction isn't active,
other states could mimic the same or similar policies. My
point is that you know, there was a district judge
who you know, initially blocked it right, the deportation and ruling.
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And so now that that's been overturned, what does that
mean for the district courts? You know, will our you know,
the district judges have that kind of power that they
used to have. And if this No Rogue uh Ruling
Act does pass, you know, outside of you know, the
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Alien Act, and you know it's it could really prove
it could be again be the backdrop for what could
later you know, limit judicial power and eventually really hurt
Black Americans as well as black immigrants.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
If you get my point.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Sure, you know, I think it's best said. You know
how we started this segment. You know, elections have consequences,
and you know we kind of explained about I want
to just make sure that we make that breathe a
little bit for you know, our listeners. We've had this
conversation on the show before, but I think it just
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it bears repeating. We're not talking about the election of
twenty twenty four and those consequences necessarily. In fact, we're
talking about the election twenty sixteen, the consequences of that election,
because that's the election that resulted in a stacked Supreme Court,
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and that stacked Supreme Court court has this country in
what we're now seeing is what I've.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Called before a figure four leg lock.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So now that Trump has regained power with the Supreme
Court and with you know that the House of Representatives,
you know, you have both chambers of Congress, there are
no checks and balances that are really meaningful in our
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government anymore, especially with the Supreme Court, because that you know,
credit where it's due. That's the master stroke anything that is,
because those judges are appointed for lifetime terms. Right, So
anything that you know, people do to try to stop
the president legally through the court, the court system in
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this country, conceivably Republicans or the president himself can just
appeal it to the Supreme Court, have them hear it.
And since he's appointed them or they are you know,
conservative leaning justices, the thinking is that they will side
with the president right whether or not it's legal, whether
or not it's constitutional, they will find some technicality or
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otherwise figure out some interpretation of the love We've seen
them do this already, figure out some interpretation that is
plausible enough to where they can still have that veneer
of decency, of fairness, of.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Just ruling, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Whatever that whatever word that is that actually like encompasses that,
but they'll still have that. But the truth is we
can all look at it and say, Okay, this is
this is illegal, this is immoral, this is unethical, this
is anti American.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
This is a bastardization of the law. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But since he's got all those people, because he was
elected the first time, you know, here we are. And
you mentioned jerry mandering, Doug, you mentioned all these other
areas where this cancerous, pervasive way of thinking can in
fact infect everyone's lives, certainly marginalized people in this country.
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And now we have a much harder fight to fight.
And here's what I mean when I say that, because
the other side of that equation is that, let's say,
in the future, there are enough Democrats to get a
majority and send it in in the House, right. And
let's say in the future, you know there's a Democrat
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back in the office, in the oval office. Right. So
now everything feels like, okay, we're back in the South.
We can undo all these executive voters and blah blah
blah and get back to business as usual. Well, with
that Supreme Court still being there, Republicans can sue any
meaningful legislation that Democrats pass and appeal it up to
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the Supreme Court that can strike it down. So when
I mean we're stuck, you know, that's what I mean.
These people have to die. And with Trump being in
office for another four years, conceivably a lot of the
conservative justices could just retire. Under his presidency, he can
appoint newer, younger, perhaps more further right conservatives to serve
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on the Supreme Court. And then we're here and until
someone is willing to step up, you know, and say, look,
we got to stack the court. We got to do
something drastic or crazy or radical to get some decency
back into this country, into the politics.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Of this country. We're stuck right where we are.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And so this is I think what we mean when
we say elections have consequences.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
We're looking right at it. Really good point, man, All.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Right, Next up, Former President Barack Obama is back in
the news this week after sharing interesting comparisons about himself
and the current president.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Doug tell us more about.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Obama's comments, and then Estra, we're going to get your
thoughts next this time.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, the former president Barack Obama spoke on the double
standards regarding President Trump's executive orders and its directors, particularly
you know, regarding diversity, equity inclusion. CNN reports that Obama
spoke at the Hamilton College in New York last week.
He told a crowd, imagine if I had done any
of this, And he went on to say, it's unimaginable
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that the same parties that are silent now would have
tolerated behavior like that from me or a whole bunch
of my predecessors. He touched on the fact that taking
away DEI programs and rights were transgender individuals tells the
world that, well, you know, maybe our values are shifting.
Maybe we aren't the democratic or you know, the democracy
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that we say we are. Overall, it was kind of
like he made a clearing call out to the nation
to rethink who we are, who we vote for in
the future, and if their values match the values of
our forefathers, you know, who created the US Constitution and
set the rules for this country.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
So, yeah, it's a pretty poignant conversation that he had.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. Well, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
When I read this article, I was thinking that this
is really another case of speaking truth to power and
speaking out and I think a lot of influential people
that don't agree with Trump's policies are doing that because
many people just are either scared to speak up or
just tired. And many high profile Democrats are encouraging people
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who are not in agreement with what is happening in
Washington to take action by speaking out, boycotting companies, various
ways to resist what is happening, rather than just staying quiet.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, There's the truth is, we knew this. We
knew that Obama had to be twice as good to
be good enough, and we knew that there was going
to be Oh, I don't want to say we knew it,
but I think that we felt like there were going
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to be some consequences, right because there is a racist
element in this country that is very much empowered, very influential,
and they are willing to fight for what it is
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that they feel America should be. They feel America is
theirs and it doesn't belong to Native Americans. They believe
that they are the great conquerors of this planet and
everything should be theirs. They do not look at, you know,
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the kindness of other people as kindness. They look at
it as weakness, and then they placed themselves in the
equation as again the great conquerors of these feeble people.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Around the world. That element exists in this country.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Now that's not all people, you know, that's not something
that is widely discussed, but you know this is true.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So when Obama was.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Elected, these people had a very strong reaction to that.
And granted they weren't as powerful as they are now.
But Donald Trump, the election of Donald Trump was a
direct response to the election of Barack Obama. Donald Trump
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found that base of people and was singing their greatest hits.
By any like conceivable metric that we would use to
determine how capable a person would be as the president
of the United States, not as a business tycoon, not
as a television personality, but as the president of the
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United States. Donald Trump fails on every level. And you
don't even have to take my word for it. You
can take historians word for you can take presidential scholars
words for it, you can take economists word for it.
You could take anybody else's word for it. You know,
this has just been the consensus. The only reason Donald
Trump is in office is because he has a base. Again,
not all, but he certainly has a base of people
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that are racist, and Donald Trump gave them the dog
whistles that they need. And then everyone else that voted
for him was able to excuse racism and excuse all
of his shortcomings because they absolutely could not vote for
a Democrat. And that part is understandable some people, that's
just how they feel, right, But they can excuse all
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the racism and then they just take what comes with it.
But when Obama steps up and he says, look at
how racist this country is, that's what he's saying. It's like,
imagine if I had done any of this, all those
people that would have criticized, they would have crucified me.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They are silent.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
They're looking past all this man's shortcomings, of all of
his faults, all of the fact that he's lining the
pockets of the rich in.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Front of everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Before he rolled back his tariffs to ten percent, he said,
you know, now's a good time to buy or something
like that, he said on his social media site. And
you know, for people that have money that are listening
to him and that read the play, that he knows
that are in his circles, they buy, They buy the
dip and then the next day stocks her up ten
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to fifteen percent, and he just does it on a whim.
He's the president, right, so all the people those aren't
There's not enough people like that to vote for this
guy to get him in office. He's in office at
the expense of all those poor racist people. And Obama's
looking at this clown show like this is who we
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really are. So let's bear that in mind as we
move forward as a country, because if this is really
how you feel, this is what you end up with,
You're going to be broke and these people are going
to take advantage of you because you hate me.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't even have nothing to do with that equation.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And I know he can't get into the weeds like
that because he's got to you know, he's got to
remain very presidential. But I can get into those weeds,
and you know, you, me and and Doug can see it,
you know, playing this day, and so you know, no,
I don't want to speak for you to let.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Far be it for me to stay another man's.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Brief, but I mean, I concur with that, but I think.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Leaders need Okay, I'm just gonna go out and say
that Democrats need to stop planning, stop playing, and tell
the story the way it's supposed to be told.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
This is that time.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
We are not in a time where we can shuck
and jive and you know, skew our words. You know,
so folks can just kind of figure out what we're
really trying to say. This is not that time, and
Democrats need to step up about to get stepped out?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, well no, you're not wrong. And you know, you
and I were having this conversation recently where we're like, look,
the democratic establishment that we have in this country is
they've had their time, you know, the two Justins from Tennessee,
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it's their time. AOC you know, for she has a
lot of fans, and she's a smart she's a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know this, there's a there's a long list. Jasmine
Crockett comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
These are the people that should be empowered, fully, fully
platformed by the Democrats. And again there's there's a lot
going on there. But also, I think above all else, Democrats,
I know that it's kind of not really in our nature.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
To move the way it is, well not just that, but.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But move the way that that Republicans are moving right now.
But now that we've seen what's possible twice. If we
don't move like that for our agenda, then what is
the point. Why why even play with them? Exactly their fighting.
We either fight fire with fire or we don't fight right,
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you know what I mean? If this is what we
have to do help, then we need to get prepared
for it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We just need to be prepared to live in a
country that is, you know, akin to you know, nineteen
twenties America. You know, I doubt we're going to be
slaves again, but you maybe that's on the menu, who knows,
but you know, uh, we're regressing to a time when
things were a lot tougher for marginalized people and when
we had no voice and there's nothing we could really
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do about it. We're talking about pre civil rights or
theivil rights movement, pre the civil rights movement. So this
is what things look like to us. They banned our books.
You know, they don't even want people thinking about an
inclusive society that has equitable treatment for all of its citizens.
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They don't even want us to learn about that. And
if Democrats can't fight with that type of like I said,
if there's somebody that gets in there says, look if
you elect me, I'll stack the court. I'll get this
ship back on track, and we can you know, get
back to sailing in the right direction. Sure, but as
long as Democrats are playing nice while they're playing by
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a whole different set of rules, then we're stuck right here.
And Obama was not the person that could do that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
He could not.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
He was the first black president, so he's not wrong.
They would have crucified him, you know. But now that
Donald Trump has set the standard, everybody on this siking
point to him and say, hey, look, this is what
this is where we learned it from. If you got
a problem with what I'm doing now, you look in
the mirror because you voted for this in the past.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Taking issue with it because I'm doing it now.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And there are people I believe out there that have
the fortitude to.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Make that happen.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It's just the Democrats are not, you know, highlighting those
voices the way that I think.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It's a question because as I speak to black women
who are politically astute, they're over here like saying the
same thing, like like, what's y'all doing? I mean, if
I can just say in kind of plain language, right,
They're like Okay, Democrats like y'all just gonna sit around. Yeah,
I mean, you know, and so you know, when I
spoke to CBC chair you bet d Clark some time ago,
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she expressed that, you know, Democrats are moving behind closed
doors with their you know, appeals and what have you
in lawsuits or what have you. But at the end
of the day, you know, people aren't really seeing it.
And but what we are seeing on TV is what
Trump's getting away with. And so I just really feel, man,
I know, black women they're they're fed up. They like
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no one knows where to go, right, I think, aren't
ticking up for any like they're not sticking up for
what they say they are.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
You know, I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Ahead, I was going to say.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think also though, you have to take into account
many black women did stand up when they were trying
to get women to everyone to vote for Kamala during
the election. And I have seen over and over many
women who are very very strong and advocates for doing
the right thing.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
They're tired.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
And that's why I said that they're either too scared
to talk speak up, or they're tired. And many black
women are just saying, you know what, I'm going to
sit back. I'm going to give myself some peace, and
I'm going to work in my circle and do what
I can where I can. And they understand what you're
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saying as well, both of you, but many of them
are saying, you know, it's not my I'm not going
to get in the middle and be in the forefront
when nobody has my back.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeap or it is.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
The truth is like even that reality is well deserved, invalid.
One of the things that Q and I, again we
affirm on this show consistently is that we weren't and
black women in particular, weren't just born to fight.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And then die. That is not fair.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So, yes, if you are part of the ninety two
percent black women that voted in the last election for
the most qualified candidate to ever run for president in
the history of the United States, and you want to
take a break from the news, how you want to
take a four year break from the whole politics arena?
You know what I mean? And just listen. If something
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knocks on my door, I'll deal with that, But I
can't fight all of these battles. I need some peace
in my home. Whatever you deserve it. Indeed, That's what
I feel like Michelle is doing. And Barack obviously he's
a little bit closer to this situation, but I feel
like all of them are like, look, man, we can
blame Democrats all we want, and you know, I'm not
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going to say the Democrats are blameless, but the truth
is is that we crippled the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
We the voters. We crippled the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
They we let whatever issue we took with Joe Biden's
presidency or whatever issue we found to be problematic with
Kamala was she black?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Was she not black? Did she lock up black men
for weed?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
She's an extension of Joe Biden's administration, and you know
all the goings on in Gaza, in the Gaza Strip.
Are they funding transcert? You know, all this sort of stuff.
We took our single issues as the as the voters,
and we said, you know what, I'm not going to
vote for her because that's really what decided the election
the last election, which was the people that didn't vote.
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So we crippled the Democrats and now we're blamed them.
Right Meanwhile, on the other side, and this is again
what Obama was pointing out in this article here on
the other side. This guy, there is no such thing
as too wrong, Not not while he's not a candidate,
not while he's campaigning to be a candidate, not while
he's you know, a president elect, not while he's in
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the office. There is nothing that he can do to
make them abandon him. The courts right now, the people
right now are still saying, no matter what he does,
we have to support him. The politicians are saying, we
have to support the president. Not we have to support
the people who elected us to hold this office.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nope, we have to support the president. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's a fundamental shift in how they do business over there.
And for us to just point the fingers at the Democrats,
know we got three more fingers pointed right back at us.
And we need to be mindful of that too. If
they're going to shape the world that we live in
full stop. The only way to engage in it democracy,
or what's left of it, is by voting. That's it,
not by blaming democrats. It's the lesser of two evils.
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That's the game we're playing. I'm sure a lot of
people didn't want to vote for Donald Trump. A lot
of people thought they could have done the job better.
But if it came to Donald Trump and Kamala Harris,
they knew their choice and we and our choices were, well,
Donald Trump, Kamala Harris or nobody, and a lot of
us chose nobody, and we set it out and we
ended up with Donald Trump, or we voted third party
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and we ended up with Donald Trump. And so that
really is what decided this election. And when it comes
and knocks on our doorsteps, which it will, black women
at least will take care of it then and you know,
all the piece that they want in the meantime well
deserved because black women. I saw the numbers ninety two
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and to be fair, black men eighty three percent something
like that.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I think it was eighty three or but that one
or two percent is large when you think about, you know,
three hundred million people in the country.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Sure, sure, but I mean I just want to make
sure that I make a note and say this year
that looks like black unity to me. Eighty four percent
black men, ninety two percent black women. We can't get
on the same page. So for people saying black people
need to get on the same page, I think that
we've shown that we can.
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Black Information Network news anchors Esther Dillard and Doug Davis
are here with us discussing this week's major stories. All
right up next to controversial bill was passed in Texas
last week that some Texans feel may have an adverse
impact on fathers of newborn children. Esther, let's go back
to you again, tell us more about this bill, and
then Doug, we'll get your thoughts next.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, this is an interesting story. The two Texas Senate
past SB nine two. That's a bill requiring fathers to
pay child support starting from conception rather than birth. Now
introducing this bill is Senator Brian Hughes. The legislator aims
to address pre natal expenses, ensuring mothers receive financial support
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during pregnancy. Hughes is saying that the responsibility that the
mom bears doesn't begin at birth, but starts months before that.
Some supporters argue that this acknowledges the real cost that
mothers face, but critics they raise concerns about the implications
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on reproductive rights and paternal responsibilities. I kind of really
kind of broke it down to about three things that
why critics are arguing against this, and it really has
to do with the requiring pre birth child support. Could
open the door to increase state involvement in personal reproductive
decisions or the government getting in the middle between you
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and your doctor, a woman and her doctor, and this
potentially infringes on pregnant person's autonomy and their medical privacy.
Number two, Establishing paternal responsibility early in a pregnancy can
be legally and medically complicated. Critics worry that this could
lead to false accusations or pressure on men to provide
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financial support before you even know whether it's his child
or not they've haven't established a paternity and number three,
opponents say that the bill may force financial responsibility on
biological fathers without really guaranteeing them legal parental rights or input,
and that raises concerns about fairness and consistent consistency and
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family law.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, Doug, let's get your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
When I first read the article, I'm just going to
be honest. I believe the thought behind the law is valid.
I believe it puts more responsibility on fathers, which is
valid in my opinion, and it might even lead to
men you know, to be even more sexually responsible. Let's
say I'm all for it to a degree. I have
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some questions and thoughts, like, what are the implications for
black pregnant moms in Texas, particularly low income black mone others.
You know, retroactive child support payments might affect eligibility for
certain public assistance programs, depending on if you know, the
child support payments are counted as income. If so, mothers
could lose access to benefits like Medicaid and Medicare or
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even food programs. So, you know, that could really be
a challenge. And is this a foundation or I should
say this?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Let me? Let me is this, let's say a Doe
sneak move?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And what I mean by that, you know, is this
a way that Republicans are stripping away public assistance for
citizens in need? What I mean by that is, you know,
so there's the proof of paternity issue. Like Esther said,
navigating through the courts could put more stress on moms
who rely on public assistance, and it could end up
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costing them more money, you know, even if they have
to go to paternity courts.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
So I think, in my opinion, it's a play to.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Remove public assistance in the broader scope for low income mothers,
particularly black. I think it's a deeper play than just
what we see on the surface.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that that would be a
great place to.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Test the metal of the legislation. So Texas definitely feels like,
you know, the right testing ground or something like that,
if that is true. But if nothing, it's consistent with
kind of the thinking in Texas, which is that life
begins at conception. So you know, if they're going to
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force you know, women to carry their pregnancies, you know,
and limit abortion access for women, then you know, this
is a move that makes sure that those women are
supported during their pregnancies, I suppose, But I think what
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it also does is it it could I don't know
that it does, but it could make, as you mentioned,
make men more responsible, which could result in one of
two things, one less people getting pregnant accidentally, or two
more men saying women should have access to abortions because
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you know, if they have to pay this money, they
have to pay more money, and they don't want their
lives affected like that in the same way that women
some women don't want their lives to be affected by
a pregnancy at the wrong time. You know, it might
get more men to see this as a shared issue
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and not just a woman's issue.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But for our final story, we close out this week's
show with some positive news involving the teaching of true
black history in a state that is pushed back against
that process. Doug, let's hear more about the story from you,
and then esther. We're going to get your thoughts to grow.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
This out really a powerful story.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Most of us know that Florida is one of the
many states that restrict black history taught in K through
twelve schools and universities. So former black teacher and historian
named Marvin Dunn took to social media last month to
call attention to a black history lesson that he would
teach on the campus of Florida International University under a
tree on campus. He calls it the Black History Learning Tree.
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He named it because of the historical significance around our
ancestors and being educated through oral history under a tree,
he said, you know, growing up, that's where he learned
about life, you know, with his you know, black family,
you know, you know, during those times, the tree was
not only used to shade folks from the sun, but
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also to share stories and playing games. So he held
this learning tree class without approval from the university. Share
the horrendous story about the the Rosewood Massacre, when in
nineteen twenty three, the mostly black town of Rosewood was
burned at the ground by a white mob falsely accused
a black man of beating a white woman.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
She lied.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
So Dunn shared that story and is asking other schools
to create their own black history learning trees. He also
gave out some free books that were banned a students
who took part in the learning session. No word yet
if he's been reprimanded for his actions. But he's not
a teacher there, he's not a staff member, So I
wonder how all of this will play out. A history
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class was held under a tree at Florida University at
Florida International University.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think that's kind of cool. I believe that this
is an example of ken of each one teach one.
Many churches used to do this type of thing, where
you know they're doing this type of thing now in
person and online to help communities tell history that's trying
to be erased. I know many colleges and universities now
are facing financial concer quenches because of Trump's agenda of
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removing all references to diversity, equity, and inclusion. And I
think we'll see more of this in small settings and online.
There's something called, I don't know whether you guys have
heard of it, called TikTok Hillman and Himan talk. Yeah,
there you go, And many professors and educators are sharing
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their knowledge and views about a wide range of subjects,
and history is one of them, and you know, resistance
and and a lot of just really cool things people
are sharing on Hilman TikTok, And I think that that's
another way in which people are trying to share Black
history in unique ways when other places want to erase it.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And we do have to kind of be creative certainly
over the next four years in how we go about
ensuring that our history is taught in our perspective is shared,
and that we in part on the next generation and
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All right, out of mind, I'd like to thank you
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Once again.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, Doug and Esther, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Esther, outside of the morning soup that you're eating, what's
the latest in your world?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm still rubbing and happy over winning a second Gracie Award,
So that's one of them that's really happy.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
All right, Okay, I'm not mad. I love that actually,
So Doug, Man, what's the latest to you?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I actually won the men's college basketball tournament here in
Las Vegas. I put a couple of dollars down and hey,
you know, I scored big. All right, fantastic man.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I wish I could say the same.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I don't think anybody's handing out in the awards out
my way, but you know, maybe that'll change soon.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So here's hoping hadulates again. Esther, thank you. You guys
are funny. All right. Well, let's get to the news. First.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Up, the phrase elections have consequences showed itself to be
true this week, as members of the US Supreme Court,
many of whom either support the current president or were
appointed by him, ruled on a case involving immigration and policy. Esther,
there's a lot to unpack with the story, so let's
start with you. Tell us more about the High Court's
ruling and the doug we'll get.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Your thoughts next.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, the US Supreme Court upheld Trump the Trump administration's
use of the seventeen to ninety eight Alien Enemies Act
to deport alleged Venezuelan gang members. Now, this follows the
deportation of over one hundred and thirty individuals to El
Salvador without due process. This has sparked some legal challenges.
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Critics argue that the act's application isn't inappropriate during peacetime
and it violates civil liberties. The administration maintains that the
deportees are necessary or the deportations are necessary for national security.
There have been reports of family members of individuals within
that group saying that they weren't part of any gang
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and they were targeted because of their ethnicity and that
they had tattoos that authorities said were gang tattoos, when
reports are some of them were autism awareness tattoos and
sports team's tattoos. Although this may seem like a win
for the Trump administration, some legal advocates say that the
ruling does give anyone picked up the right to first
receive notice before they're picked up, and they can challenge
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their deportation in court. Legal advocates highlight that this decision
affirms the right of detainees to get legal counsel and
can test their removal through habeas corpus petitions, but many
critics say that this doesn't help the one hundred and
thirty folks who were already shipped out and branded as
gang members when family members are saying adamantly they weren't
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part of any gang.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Doug your thoughts, like you said, a lot to unpack here.
I'm going to take a deep dive on this topic here.
So this ruling could set the backdrop for Republicans to
push to limit judicial power.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Hear me out.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So right now, Congressional leaders are mulling over the No
Rogue Rulings Act that aims to limit the power of
district court judges when it comes to using nationwide injunctions.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
So what does this mean for Black America?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And you'll you'll you'll get why I'm making this this
this point. So for Black America, you know, if that
does happen, our civil rights could be in jeopardy. Injunctions,
you know, they've been used to block a lot of
policies that directly hurt black communities. So, for example, injunctions
have block voter id laws and efforts to jerrymander voting
districts that effect the power of the black vote. Injunctions
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have block voter suppression measures as well. So when we
circle back around to immigration, black immigrants may you know,
you know, face tougher immigration policies if these injunctions, you know,
are dismissed. So for instance, travel band you know, fuel uh,
you know, could impact black immigrants if district courts can't
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block them. Then you know, when we talk about economics,
let's say, if you know, housing policies, uh that scene
as discriminatory in the state. If a nationwide injunction isn't active,
other states could mimic the same or similar policies. My
point is that you know, there was a district judge
who you know, initially blocked it right, the deportation and ruling.
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And so now that that's been overturned, what does that
mean for the district courts? You know, will our you know,
the district judges have that kind of power that they
used to have. And if this No Rogue uh Ruling
Act does pass, you know, outside of you know, the
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Alien Act, and you know it's it could really prove
it could be again be the backdrop for what could
later you know, limit judicial power and eventually really hurt
Black Americans as well as black immigrants.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
If you get my point.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Sure, you know, I think it's best said. You know
how we started this segment. You know, elections have consequences,
and you know we kind of explained about I want
to just make sure that we make that breathe a
little bit for you know, our listeners. We've had this
conversation on the show before, but I think it just
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it bears repeating. We're not talking about the election of
twenty twenty four and those consequences necessarily. In fact, we're
talking about the election twenty sixteen, the consequences of that election,
because that's the election that resulted in a stacked Supreme Court,
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and that stacked Supreme Court court has this country in
what we're now seeing is what I've.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Called before a figure four leg lock.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So now that Trump has regained power with the Supreme
Court and with you know that the House of Representatives,
you know, you have both chambers of Congress, there are
no checks and balances that are really meaningful in our
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government anymore, especially with the Supreme Court, because that you know,
credit where it's due. That's the master stroke anything that is,
because those judges are appointed for lifetime terms. Right, So
anything that you know, people do to try to stop
the president legally through the court, the court system in
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this country, conceivably Republicans or the president himself can just
appeal it to the Supreme Court, have them hear it.
And since he's appointed them or they are you know,
conservative leaning justices, the thinking is that they will side
with the president right whether or not it's legal, whether
or not it's constitutional, they will find some technicality or
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otherwise figure out some interpretation of the love We've seen
them do this already, figure out some interpretation that is
plausible enough to where they can still have that veneer
of decency, of fairness, of.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Just ruling, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Whatever that whatever word that is that actually like encompasses that,
but they'll still have that. But the truth is we
can all look at it and say, Okay, this is
this is illegal, this is immoral, this is unethical, this
is anti American.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
This is a bastardization of the law. Right.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But since he's got all those people, because he was
elected the first time, you know, here we are. And
you mentioned jerry mandering, Doug, you mentioned all these other
areas where this cancerous, pervasive way of thinking can in
fact infect everyone's lives, certainly marginalized people in this country.
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And now we have a much harder fight to fight.
And here's what I mean when I say that, because
the other side of that equation is that, let's say,
in the future, there are enough Democrats to get a
majority and send it in in the House, right. And
let's say in the future, you know there's a Democrat
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back in the office, in the oval office. Right. So
now everything feels like, okay, we're back in the South.
We can undo all these executive voters and blah blah
blah and get back to business as usual. Well, with
that Supreme Court still being there, Republicans can sue any
meaningful legislation that Democrats pass and appeal it up to
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the Supreme Court that can strike it down. So when
I mean we're stuck, you know, that's what I mean.
These people have to die. And with Trump being in
office for another four years, conceivably a lot of the
conservative justices could just retire. Under his presidency, he can
appoint newer, younger, perhaps more further right conservatives to serve
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on the Supreme Court. And then we're here and until
someone is willing to step up, you know, and say, look,
we got to stack the court. We got to do
something drastic or crazy or radical to get some decency
back into this country, into the politics.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Of this country. We're stuck right where we are.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And so this is I think what we mean when
we say elections have consequences.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
We're looking right at it. Really good point, man, All.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Right, Next up, Former President Barack Obama is back in
the news this week after sharing interesting comparisons about himself
and the current president.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Doug tell us more about.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Obama's comments, and then Estra, we're going to get your
thoughts next this time.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, the former president Barack Obama spoke on the double
standards regarding President Trump's executive orders and its directors, particularly
you know, regarding diversity, equity inclusion. CNN reports that Obama
spoke at the Hamilton College in New York last week.
He told a crowd, imagine if I had done any
of this, And he went on to say, it's unimaginable
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that the same parties that are silent now would have
tolerated behavior like that from me or a whole bunch
of my predecessors. He touched on the fact that taking
away DEI programs and rights were transgender individuals tells the
world that, well, you know, maybe our values are shifting.
Maybe we aren't the democratic or you know, the democracy
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that we say we are. Overall, it was kind of
like he made a clearing call out to the nation
to rethink who we are, who we vote for in
the future, and if their values match the values of
our forefathers, you know, who created the US Constitution and
set the rules for this country.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
So, yeah, it's a pretty poignant conversation that he had.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. Well, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
When I read this article, I was thinking that this
is really another case of speaking truth to power and
speaking out and I think a lot of influential people
that don't agree with Trump's policies are doing that because
many people just are either scared to speak up or
just tired. And many high profile Democrats are encouraging people
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who are not in agreement with what is happening in
Washington to take action by speaking out, boycotting companies, various
ways to resist what is happening, rather than just staying quiet.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, There's the truth is, we knew this. We
knew that Obama had to be twice as good to
be good enough, and we knew that there was going
to be Oh, I don't want to say we knew it,
but I think that we felt like there were going
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to be some consequences, right because there is a racist
element in this country that is very much empowered, very influential,
and they are willing to fight for what it is
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that they feel America should be. They feel America is
theirs and it doesn't belong to Native Americans. They believe
that they are the great conquerors of this planet and
everything should be theirs. They do not look at, you know,
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the kindness of other people as kindness. They look at
it as weakness, and then they placed themselves in the
equation as again the great conquerors of these feeble people.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Around the world. That element exists in this country.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Now that's not all people, you know, that's not something
that is widely discussed, but you know this is true.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So when Obama was.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Elected, these people had a very strong reaction to that.
And granted they weren't as powerful as they are now.
But Donald Trump, the election of Donald Trump was a
direct response to the election of Barack Obama. Donald Trump
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found that base of people and was singing their greatest hits.
By any like conceivable metric that we would use to
determine how capable a person would be as the president
of the United States, not as a business tycoon, not
as a television personality, but as the president of the
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United States. Donald Trump fails on every level. And you
don't even have to take my word for it. You
can take historians word for you can take presidential scholars
words for it, you can take economists word for it.
You could take anybody else's word for it. You know,
this has just been the consensus. The only reason Donald
Trump is in office is because he has a base. Again,
not all, but he certainly has a base of people
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that are racist, and Donald Trump gave them the dog
whistles that they need. And then everyone else that voted
for him was able to excuse racism and excuse all
of his shortcomings because they absolutely could not vote for
a Democrat. And that part is understandable some people, that's
just how they feel, right, But they can excuse all
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the racism and then they just take what comes with it.
But when Obama steps up and he says, look at
how racist this country is, that's what he's saying. It's like,
imagine if I had done any of this, all those
people that would have criticized, they would have crucified me.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They are silent.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
They're looking past all this man's shortcomings, of all of
his faults, all of the fact that he's lining the
pockets of the rich in.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Front of everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Before he rolled back his tariffs to ten percent, he said,
you know, now's a good time to buy or something
like that, he said on his social media site. And
you know, for people that have money that are listening
to him and that read the play, that he knows
that are in his circles, they buy, They buy the
dip and then the next day stocks her up ten
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to fifteen percent, and he just does it on a whim.
He's the president, right, so all the people those aren't
There's not enough people like that to vote for this
guy to get him in office. He's in office at
the expense of all those poor racist people. And Obama's
looking at this clown show like this is who we
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really are. So let's bear that in mind as we
move forward as a country, because if this is really
how you feel, this is what you end up with,
You're going to be broke and these people are going
to take advantage of you because you hate me.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't even have nothing to do with that equation.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And I know he can't get into the weeds like
that because he's got to you know, he's got to
remain very presidential. But I can get into those weeds,
and you know, you, me and and Doug can see it,
you know, playing this day, and so you know, no,
I don't want to speak for you to let.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Far be it for me to stay another man's.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Brief, but I mean, I concur with that, but I think.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Leaders need Okay, I'm just gonna go out and say
that Democrats need to stop planning, stop playing, and tell
the story the way it's supposed to be told.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
This is that time.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
We are not in a time where we can shuck
and jive and you know, skew our words. You know,
so folks can just kind of figure out what we're
really trying to say. This is not that time, and
Democrats need to step up about to get stepped out?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, well no, you're not wrong. And you know, you
and I were having this conversation recently where we're like, look,
the democratic establishment that we have in this country is
they've had their time, you know, the two Justins from Tennessee,
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it's their time. AOC you know, for she has a
lot of fans, and she's a smart she's a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know this, there's a there's a long list. Jasmine
Crockett comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
These are the people that should be empowered, fully, fully
platformed by the Democrats. And again there's there's a lot
going on there. But also, I think above all else, Democrats,
I know that it's kind of not really in our nature.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
To move the way it is, well not just that, but.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But move the way that that Republicans are moving right now.
But now that we've seen what's possible twice. If we
don't move like that for our agenda, then what is
the point. Why why even play with them? Exactly their fighting.
We either fight fire with fire or we don't fight right,
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you know what I mean? If this is what we
have to do help, then we need to get prepared
for it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We just need to be prepared to live in a
country that is, you know, akin to you know, nineteen
twenties America. You know, I doubt we're going to be
slaves again, but you maybe that's on the menu, who knows,
but you know, uh, we're regressing to a time when
things were a lot tougher for marginalized people and when
we had no voice and there's nothing we could really
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do about it. We're talking about pre civil rights or
theivil rights movement, pre the civil rights movement. So this
is what things look like to us. They banned our books.
You know, they don't even want people thinking about an
inclusive society that has equitable treatment for all of its citizens.
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They don't even want us to learn about that. And
if Democrats can't fight with that type of like I said,
if there's somebody that gets in there says, look if
you elect me, I'll stack the court. I'll get this
ship back on track, and we can you know, get
back to sailing in the right direction. Sure, but as
long as Democrats are playing nice while they're playing by
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a whole different set of rules, then we're stuck right here.
And Obama was not the person that could do that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
He could not.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
He was the first black president, so he's not wrong.
They would have crucified him, you know. But now that
Donald Trump has set the standard, everybody on this siking
point to him and say, hey, look, this is what
this is where we learned it from. If you got
a problem with what I'm doing now, you look in
the mirror because you voted for this in the past.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Taking issue with it because I'm doing it now.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And there are people I believe out there that have
the fortitude to.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Make that happen.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It's just the Democrats are not, you know, highlighting those
voices the way that I think.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It's a question because as I speak to black women
who are politically astute, they're over here like saying the
same thing, like like, what's y'all doing? I mean, if
I can just say in kind of plain language, right,
They're like Okay, Democrats like y'all just gonna sit around. Yeah,
I mean, you know, and so you know, when I
spoke to CBC chair you bet d Clark some time ago,
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she expressed that, you know, Democrats are moving behind closed
doors with their you know, appeals and what have you
in lawsuits or what have you. But at the end
of the day, you know, people aren't really seeing it.
And but what we are seeing on TV is what
Trump's getting away with. And so I just really feel, man,
I know, black women they're they're fed up. They like
(21:00):
no one knows where to go, right, I think, aren't
ticking up for any like they're not sticking up for
what they say they are.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
You know, I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Ahead, I was going to say.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think also though, you have to take into account
many black women did stand up when they were trying
to get women to everyone to vote for Kamala during
the election. And I have seen over and over many
women who are very very strong and advocates for doing
the right thing.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
They're tired.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
And that's why I said that they're either too scared
to talk speak up, or they're tired. And many black
women are just saying, you know what, I'm going to
sit back. I'm going to give myself some peace, and
I'm going to work in my circle and do what
I can where I can. And they understand what you're
(21:53):
saying as well, both of you, but many of them
are saying, you know, it's not my I'm not going
to get in the middle and be in the forefront
when nobody has my back.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeap or it is.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
The truth is like even that reality is well deserved, invalid.
One of the things that Q and I, again we
affirm on this show consistently is that we weren't and
black women in particular, weren't just born to fight.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And then die. That is not fair.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So, yes, if you are part of the ninety two
percent black women that voted in the last election for
the most qualified candidate to ever run for president in
the history of the United States, and you want to
take a break from the news, how you want to
take a four year break from the whole politics arena?
You know what I mean? And just listen. If something
(22:47):
knocks on my door, I'll deal with that, But I
can't fight all of these battles. I need some peace
in my home. Whatever you deserve it. Indeed, That's what
I feel like Michelle is doing. And Barack obviously he's
a little bit closer to this situation, but I feel
like all of them are like, look, man, we can
blame Democrats all we want, and you know, I'm not
(23:10):
going to say the Democrats are blameless, but the truth
is is that we crippled the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
We the voters. We crippled the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
They we let whatever issue we took with Joe Biden's
presidency or whatever issue we found to be problematic with
Kamala was she black?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Was she not black? Did she lock up black men
for weed?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
She's an extension of Joe Biden's administration, and you know
all the goings on in Gaza, in the Gaza Strip.
Are they funding transcert? You know, all this sort of stuff.
We took our single issues as the as the voters,
and we said, you know what, I'm not going to
vote for her because that's really what decided the election
the last election, which was the people that didn't vote.
(23:58):
So we crippled the Democrats and now we're blamed them.
Right Meanwhile, on the other side, and this is again
what Obama was pointing out in this article here on
the other side. This guy, there is no such thing
as too wrong, Not not while he's not a candidate,
not while he's campaigning to be a candidate, not while
he's you know, a president elect, not while he's in
(24:20):
the office. There is nothing that he can do to
make them abandon him. The courts right now, the people
right now are still saying, no matter what he does,
we have to support him. The politicians are saying, we
have to support the president. Not we have to support
the people who elected us to hold this office.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nope, we have to support the president. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's a fundamental shift in how they do business over there.
And for us to just point the fingers at the Democrats,
know we got three more fingers pointed right back at us.
And we need to be mindful of that too. If
they're going to shape the world that we live in
full stop. The only way to engage in it democracy,
or what's left of it, is by voting. That's it,
not by blaming democrats. It's the lesser of two evils.
(25:07):
That's the game we're playing. I'm sure a lot of
people didn't want to vote for Donald Trump. A lot
of people thought they could have done the job better.
But if it came to Donald Trump and Kamala Harris,
they knew their choice and we and our choices were, well,
Donald Trump, Kamala Harris or nobody, and a lot of
us chose nobody, and we set it out and we
ended up with Donald Trump, or we voted third party
(25:28):
and we ended up with Donald Trump. And so that
really is what decided this election. And when it comes
and knocks on our doorsteps, which it will, black women
at least will take care of it then and you know,
all the piece that they want in the meantime well
deserved because black women. I saw the numbers ninety two
(25:50):
and to be fair, black men eighty three percent something
like that.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I think it was eighty three or but that one
or two percent is large when you think about, you know,
three hundred million people in the country.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Sure, sure, but I mean I just want to make
sure that I make a note and say this year
that looks like black unity to me. Eighty four percent
black men, ninety two percent black women. We can't get
on the same page. So for people saying black people
need to get on the same page, I think that
we've shown that we can.
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Speaker 1 (27:19):
Black Information Network news anchors Esther Dillard and Doug Davis
are here with us discussing this week's major stories. All
right up next to controversial bill was passed in Texas
last week that some Texans feel may have an adverse
impact on fathers of newborn children. Esther, let's go back
to you again, tell us more about this bill, and
then Doug, we'll get your thoughts next.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, this is an interesting story. The two Texas Senate
past SB nine two. That's a bill requiring fathers to
pay child support starting from conception rather than birth. Now
introducing this bill is Senator Brian Hughes. The legislator aims
to address pre natal expenses, ensuring mothers receive financial support
(28:01):
during pregnancy. Hughes is saying that the responsibility that the
mom bears doesn't begin at birth, but starts months before that.
Some supporters argue that this acknowledges the real cost that
mothers face, but critics they raise concerns about the implications
(28:22):
on reproductive rights and paternal responsibilities. I kind of really
kind of broke it down to about three things that
why critics are arguing against this, and it really has
to do with the requiring pre birth child support. Could
open the door to increase state involvement in personal reproductive
decisions or the government getting in the middle between you
(28:43):
and your doctor, a woman and her doctor, and this
potentially infringes on pregnant person's autonomy and their medical privacy.
Number two, Establishing paternal responsibility early in a pregnancy can
be legally and medically complicated. Critics worry that this could
lead to false accusations or pressure on men to provide
(29:05):
financial support before you even know whether it's his child
or not they've haven't established a paternity and number three,
opponents say that the bill may force financial responsibility on
biological fathers without really guaranteeing them legal parental rights or input,
and that raises concerns about fairness and consistent consistency and
(29:27):
family law.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, Doug, let's get your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
When I first read the article, I'm just going to
be honest. I believe the thought behind the law is valid.
I believe it puts more responsibility on fathers, which is
valid in my opinion, and it might even lead to
men you know, to be even more sexually responsible. Let's
say I'm all for it to a degree. I have
(29:52):
some questions and thoughts, like, what are the implications for
black pregnant moms in Texas, particularly low income black mone others.
You know, retroactive child support payments might affect eligibility for
certain public assistance programs, depending on if you know, the
child support payments are counted as income. If so, mothers
could lose access to benefits like Medicaid and Medicare or
(30:15):
even food programs. So, you know, that could really be
a challenge. And is this a foundation or I should
say this?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Let me? Let me is this, let's say a Doe
sneak move?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And what I mean by that, you know, is this
a way that Republicans are stripping away public assistance for
citizens in need? What I mean by that is, you know,
so there's the proof of paternity issue. Like Esther said,
navigating through the courts could put more stress on moms
who rely on public assistance, and it could end up
(30:48):
costing them more money, you know, even if they have
to go to paternity courts.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
So I think, in my opinion, it's a play to.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Remove public assistance in the broader scope for low income mothers,
particularly black. I think it's a deeper play than just
what we see on the surface.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that that would be a
great place to.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Test the metal of the legislation. So Texas definitely feels like,
you know, the right testing ground or something like that,
if that is true. But if nothing, it's consistent with
kind of the thinking in Texas, which is that life
begins at conception. So you know, if they're going to
(31:41):
force you know, women to carry their pregnancies, you know,
and limit abortion access for women, then you know, this
is a move that makes sure that those women are
supported during their pregnancies, I suppose, But I think what
(32:01):
it also does is it it could I don't know
that it does, but it could make, as you mentioned,
make men more responsible, which could result in one of
two things, one less people getting pregnant accidentally, or two
more men saying women should have access to abortions because
(32:28):
you know, if they have to pay this money, they
have to pay more money, and they don't want their
lives affected like that in the same way that women
some women don't want their lives to be affected by
a pregnancy at the wrong time. You know, it might
get more men to see this as a shared issue
(32:48):
and not just a woman's issue.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But for our final story, we close out this week's
show with some positive news involving the teaching of true
black history in a state that is pushed back against
that process. Doug, let's hear more about the story from you,
and then esther. We're going to get your thoughts to grow.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
This out really a powerful story.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Most of us know that Florida is one of the
many states that restrict black history taught in K through
twelve schools and universities. So former black teacher and historian
named Marvin Dunn took to social media last month to
call attention to a black history lesson that he would
teach on the campus of Florida International University under a
tree on campus. He calls it the Black History Learning Tree.
(33:29):
He named it because of the historical significance around our
ancestors and being educated through oral history under a tree,
he said, you know, growing up, that's where he learned
about life, you know, with his you know, black family,
you know, you know, during those times, the tree was
not only used to shade folks from the sun, but
(33:50):
also to share stories and playing games. So he held
this learning tree class without approval from the university. Share
the horrendous story about the the Rosewood Massacre, when in
nineteen twenty three, the mostly black town of Rosewood was
burned at the ground by a white mob falsely accused
a black man of beating a white woman.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
She lied.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
So Dunn shared that story and is asking other schools
to create their own black history learning trees. He also
gave out some free books that were banned a students
who took part in the learning session. No word yet
if he's been reprimanded for his actions. But he's not
a teacher there, he's not a staff member, So I
wonder how all of this will play out. A history
(34:32):
class was held under a tree at Florida University at
Florida International University.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think that's kind of cool. I believe that this
is an example of ken of each one teach one.
Many churches used to do this type of thing, where
you know they're doing this type of thing now in
person and online to help communities tell history that's trying
to be erased. I know many colleges and universities now
are facing financial concer quenches because of Trump's agenda of
(35:01):
removing all references to diversity, equity, and inclusion. And I
think we'll see more of this in small settings and online.
There's something called, I don't know whether you guys have
heard of it, called TikTok Hillman and Himan talk. Yeah,
there you go, And many professors and educators are sharing
(35:22):
their knowledge and views about a wide range of subjects,
and history is one of them, and you know, resistance
and and a lot of just really cool things people
are sharing on Hilman TikTok, And I think that that's
another way in which people are trying to share Black
history in unique ways when other places want to erase it.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And we do have to kind of be creative certainly
over the next four years in how we go about
ensuring that our history is taught in our perspective is shared,
and that we in part on the next generation and
(36:08):
our allies what our plight looks like. And for those
of you listening, you are doing a magnificent job by
you know, checking out the Black information network because obviously
those are part of our values here and the next
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not otherwise, you know, come across it. You know, let's
take care of each other and let's take care of ourselves.
All right, out of mind, I'd like to thank you
both very much for your time and your insight.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
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and Doug Davis. This has been a production of the
Black Information Network. Today's show is produced by Chris Thompson.
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