May 17, 2025 • 22 mins
In the first half of today’s program, we discuss the reception of White South African immigrants under the Trump administration and contrast their plight with those of the immigrants the administration is actively expelling. We seek to identify and discuss any oddities or inconsistencies with this act, and hopefully give communities around the country insight into ways people can avoid unlawful arrest, detainment, and deportation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am
your host, Ramsy's Jah is Ramsey's Jah.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am qward Youth. I'll tuned into Civic Cipher.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And we appreciate that. We want you to stick around
because today we are going to be discussing an interesting
development here in Trump two point zero in the United
States of America. In the history of our great land.
The thing that has caused a lot of distress in
communities around the world, the thing that we hear a
(00:35):
lot from our listeners is it has to do with immigration,
ice raids, things like this. There are a lot of
people very afraid and don't know what power they have
and how to wield that power to affirm their rights
as human beings, to pursue legal means of maintaining their residences,
(00:56):
et cetera. And it's just interesting because because recently under
the Trump administration, the United States has welcomed some South
African immigrants. Now, the notable difference between these immigrants and
the immigrants that we see, you know, on the other end,
of the ice raids is that these South African immigrants
(01:18):
are white and exclusively white, and so we're going to
be discussing that, and you know the implications of that
and perhaps ways that you know, communities can use this
moment to further fortify themselves against you know, what many
people consider to be an oppressor ream. And we're also
going to be spending some time discussing, you know, the
(01:41):
future of women in politics. Jasmine Crockett recently gave a
news interview where she stated that the Democrats are likely
moving in the direction of the safest white boy and
the conversation surrounding that has really caused us to think.
And so we're going to talk about that and so
much more. But before we get there, we are going
(02:02):
to start off with some ebony excellence. Now we I
think we shall. So today's ebony excellence comes from Men's
Journal dot com and we are talking about Ryan Kugler.
So Ryan Kugler Sinners continues its run as one of
the year's biggest hits, and this weekend it hit a
new box office milestone. On Saturday. According to The Rap
(02:23):
Spinner's gross or caught frost Sorry, the two hundred million
dollar market the box office in the United States and Canada,
an achievement no original film has made since Pixar's Coco
arrived in theaters just ahead of Thanksgiving twenty seventeen. Kugler's
musical vampire Flick, which stars regular collaborator Michael B. Jordan
Pulls Sorry, plus Delroy Lindo, Hailey Steinfeld, Miles Canton, and
(02:49):
Jack O'Connell, has been a box office wonderkin right out
of the gate. It's been breaking box office records for
both original films and horror movies since it opened, and
is preparing for a one week only IMAX released beginning Thursday,
May fifteenth. It also has been replaced. Sorry also has
been praised by audiences and critics alike, which has served
as a much needed reminder to Hollywood of moviegoers' desire
(03:13):
for original content. Of course, making cinematic history is nothing
new to Kugler at this point. With the release of
Marvel's Black Panther in twenty eighteen, the now thirty eight
year old writer director became MCU's first black director. The
movie itself became the first superhero film to receive Best
Picture nominations from both the Oscars and the Golden Globes.
Black Panther received seven OSCAR nominations total and won three
(03:35):
of them, Best Costume Designed for Ruthie Carter, Best Production
Design for Hannah Beachler and Jay Hart, and Best Original
Score for Ludwig Gornson, making the Chadwick Boseman starring hit
the first Marvel movie to win an OSCAR. So shout
out to Ryan Coogler, and shout out to sinners, and
(03:56):
shout out that everybody supporting that. That indeed is some
ebony excellent. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And that's an IMAX re release. That's important to point
out because they only there's only like nine I mix
theaters in the country have to make room for specific
movies that are shot for that format. A new Marvel
movie pushed it out of Imax. The movie is so dope,
it pushed the Marvel movie back out.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, nice, all right, Well, like I said, any excellence,
all right. So a little bit of background here and
and Q, you stop me if this is just a
little bit too personal. But I think one of the
things that has troubled us collectively but more specifically Q,
(04:41):
and by extension, it has troubled me is the divisive approach,
the the the hate based approach to immigration and immigrants
in this country by this current administration. Q has really
(05:03):
felt that in his reality in a way that you know,
I have not. We both live in the Southwest, we
both live in border states. We both live in environments
where a lot of the culture and the people and
our friends and so forth are you know, people who
(05:23):
are Mexican and either they moved here when they were little,
or they were here the whole time they were and
their family was here before this was ever the United States,
because this where we live was once Mexico. But in
Q's situation, this current administration's rhetoric and approach has been
(05:48):
kind of scary. And that's a word that you've used.
You've used that word before, so you would think that
while we feel that a lot of it is just
kind of fear mongering, a lot of it is like
immigration policy great, you know, whatever we need that we
need better immigration procedures, so great. And my understanding is
(06:12):
that historically this has been something, you know, going all
the way back fifty plus years, that has been a
political issue that people have had to sort through, particularly
presidents have had to sort through. And it depends on
the conditions, the social conditions, the economic conditions of the country,
what our border policy looks like, our southern border policy
(06:34):
looks like. And Donald Trump specifically has been able to
weaponize the border and use it to whip up fear
in a way in the population, in a way that
we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Right. And you know,
the other side of fear is often hate in many instances,
(06:57):
and so we've seen the country move in a direction
that is decidedly more hateful under his leadership. And for
those that have short memories, remember his first campaign. The
biggest slogan from that first campaign was build the Wall, right,
And the wall wasn't about Canada, it wasn't about China,
it wasn't about Japan, it wasn't about South Korea or
North Korea. Rather, it was about Mexico. And again, for us,
(07:23):
we live on land that used to be Mexico. So
the people here historically they're they're Mexican people, you know.
Are The word I'm looking for is ethnically, They're they're Mexican. Culturally,
they're Mexican. Uh in terms of their nationality, they're American, sure,
but Mexican flags around where we live is a part
(07:46):
of you know, the cultural tapestry of this part of
the country. You know, our children, my children and qu'es
children are half Mexican. This is just the people that
live here. Right. So with all this hate and all
this fear mongering and all this sort of stuff, you
would expect that this immigration policy that got him into
(08:11):
office twice, this divisive approach to immigration that saw him
achieve the highest office in the land, he would have
this kind of he would keep that energy across the board,
you know, for people that have not been paying too
close of attention. But it turns out that Donald Trump
(08:35):
is kind of picking and choosing. I think, you know,
we happen to know there are many people who would
love legal status in this country. They submit paperwork, they
do everything the right way, and the system that is
in place for them to achieve you know, permanent residence
(08:57):
status or citizenship status or whatever the case is is
extremely complicated, challenging, and it's tedious process. Last years. There
are people who've been waiting for decades plus. I know people.
You and I both have a friend. I'll say her
first name is Rachel. But yeah, she's still waiting on
(09:18):
her papers to come back and has been for the
whole time we've known her. Now she has two children,
of course, since she feels a little safer with those
two children. But under Donald Trump, of course, that her
reality has changed quite a bit. So what am I
talking about? Well, let's look at these white South African immigrants.
So I'm going to share a bit. This comes from
the Black Information Network and thenk you. I'll let you
(09:39):
state your own brief. But I wanted to kind of
bring folks up to speed because I know there's a
lot of people around the country who feel that tension
and feel like it might be just about them, and
I think this story kind of makes the case that
it might actually be just about them. I'll let you
double down on that, but for now, this is from
(10:01):
the Black Information Network. A group of white South Africans
is flying to the US after the Trump administration offered
them refugee status and alleged race based persecution. On Sunday,
May eleven, forty nine Afrikaaners, the white minority group in
South Africa, departed their homeland on a privately chartered flight
to Dole's International airport outside of Washington under Trump's refugee plan,
(10:25):
per the Associated Press, The relocation comes after Trump issued
an executive order in February that accused the South African
government of discrimination against Afrikaaners and announced a refugee program
offering to relocate them to the US. The Trump administration
further claims the South African government is enacting racist, anti
white policies through affirmative action laws and targeting Afrikaaners lands
(10:48):
through a new land expropriation law. The US has also
alleged that Afrikaaners are being targeted and racially motivated attacks
in rural communities. The South African government said it was
completely false that Afrikaaners are being persecuted, the claims are
based on misinformation, and the Afrikaners' land isn't being expropriated,
the government stated. The government also denied claims of racism
(11:10):
and attacks against white South Africaners, noting that the group
is among the most economically privileged in the country. Refugee
groups have questioned the Trump administration's moved to fast track
applications for white South Africaners while halting arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq,
Sub Saharan Africa and other areas wrecked by war and
natural disasters. Vetting for refugee status in the US usually
(11:32):
takes years. The first group of Afrikaners is expected to
be welcomed at the Duel's airport by a US government delegation,
including the Deputy Secretary of State and officials from the
Department of Health and Human Services. The flight is a
part of a much larger scale relocation effort. White House
Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a statement,
adding that what's happening to Afrikaaners in their homeland fits
(11:54):
the textbook definition of why the refugee program was created.
Quote this is persecutcution based on a protected characteristic, in
this case race. This is race based persecution. Miller said,
all right, two with Flora's yours.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
If it wasn't so infuriating, it would be funny race
based prosecution or persecution. I'm sorry for white South Africans
and flying into Washington Dulles Airport on a fast tracked
refugee plan because this is why the refugee program was created.
(12:35):
Persecution based on a protected characteristic. The same people who
are the same people that are making affirmative action in
DEI and the word black illegal want us to believe
that they're bringing these people here because they're being persecuted
(12:56):
based on their race. I first have to start with
where I kind of always start when we talk about
things like this, and it's pushing back on the idea
of fear and the cape and the bail and the
benefit of the doubt and the protection that it buys people.
(13:18):
When you say they're scared is dangerous. I am scared
that someone might snatch my children, or snatch me from
my children, or snatch their mom from them. That's fear,
and what I would do to protect them and myself
in the mind of most just basically kind people with
(13:38):
a modicum of empathy would be understood. So when you
give them that same fear pass, then their montrosities that
they do can also be met with some empathy. Well,
if they were afraid, then they did what they had
to do. And that's nonsense. It's not fear. I'm not
afraid of anything. They hate us, and they hate people
with brown skin, so they can take a privately chartered
(14:01):
plane that taxpayers in this country are paying for. Some
of those undocumented workers that have jobs and pay taxes. Yeah,
that tax money goes to these flights too, and fly
them here based on their protected characteristic, which is their race.
Even if we weren't talking about white people. That should
raise an eyebrow when this is the same administration it
(14:22):
says people should not have protected characteristics. So why they
getting rid of history while they're closing museums and banding points,
you know what I mean? Like they don't even they
pandered for two elections at a base that was easy
to manipulate.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They don't pander anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They wear their hypocrisy like a badge now because they know,
and you know, the now new second term president has
known for years that there's nothing he can do that
would discourage or turn away his base. They're going to
support him, show up for him, defend him, apologize for him,
and fight you for him. A man they don't know
that doesn't care about them. They'll fight you their friend
(15:01):
or their coworker or their family member on his behalf.
It's a really really strange thing and having to go
through that people that I know raising their hand to
tell me the silver lining and anything that he's doing.
It's a really disturbing, really dangerous, and really scary place
to be. So when we talk about fear, you're talking
to someone who's actually dealing with the fear that one
day while I'm at work, I might get a call
(15:22):
that my kids don't know where their mom is, or
they might get a call that no one knows where
their dad is. Because that's the country we live in now,
That's what fear looks and sounds like. And again, this
is something that's very personal, that's already showed up at
my door. I've already had to go get my kids
from school to I don't want to talk about it,
(15:42):
But to pretend that the other side is afraid and
not just hateful and racist is almost intentionally dishonest, Like
we're going out of our way to be empathetic to
these people that would never do that for us. They're
not making these decisions because they're afraid of us. They
hate us, and they now have the power to take
everything from us, and the idea of checks and balances
(16:04):
no longer exist. So if you're white, there's a place
for you here. If you've been persecuted and you're white
and you're going through something difficult and you're white, even
though you're the extreme minority of occupants, but the extreme
majority of land owners, you're the persecuted class. What was
(16:26):
the percentage, It's like five or six percent of the
white people in South Africa own seventy or eighty percent
of the land. They want us to believe they're the
ones that are being persecuted.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, and I think that there's something.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
That will never even ask the question, well, why that
doesn't make any sense? Sounds about white, so it sounds
about right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, So wat's this I think that you know,
for people that don't know the history of South Africa,
people that don't know the history of apartheid, people that
don't know what Nelson Mandela's fight was about in his story,
and people who don't even know who that is. If
(17:12):
all you hear is a government is taking land from
a group of people based on their race, then you
know there are people who could look at that and think, okay,
well that just isn't fair. You know, these people are
being persecuted, right if the headline just reads the way
(17:33):
that it does, and no one goes any deeper, and
no one has any context, no one has any history.
But I think in brief what we can do and
this helps support the numbers. We're going to share a clip.
This is from Don Lemon and he kind of breaks
down a little bit about South Africa and so you
kind of get a little bit more context on the
quote unquote persecution and why this is such a bizarre
(17:57):
move to re locate these white South africaners to the
United States during an administration that is that platform and
is currently decidedly anti immigration and pretty much everything that
it does. So let's listen to Dawn kind of break
(18:18):
this down for us. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It is blatantly obvious the way that we treat white
South Africans, who, by the way, for the most part,
and I am generalizing here, some of the wealthiest people
are well to do people in the country, to speak
their language, they own most of the land and the property,
and somehow they're being granted a fast track to become
(18:42):
Americans while they're trying to cut down on immigration from
other countries. You know, you get that from where from
the brown people. On March seventh, Trump to truth social
to announce ess is offering white South African farmers quote
a rapid pathway to the US citizenship, pointing out that South
Africa's new land reform push into law last year, which
lets the government take land without compensation if the property
(19:05):
is not being used and there's no intention to either
develop or make money from it. Okay, now I'm going
to give you some context here.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
They're not just.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Taking a land away from white South African farmers. White
South Africans, about nine percent of the population, owned eighty
seven percent of the fertile land. Okay, today, Black South
Africans make up more than ninety percent of the population
and they only hold about four percent of all privately
(19:36):
owned land. So what they're trying to do is say, hey,
we need to fix an historical injustice and figure out
if you're not using that land to farm, then we
need to have some of that land, not taking all
of your entire farm. That's not what's happening, and we
need to what there needs to be equity. And now
people are crying because the playing field is being leveled,
(19:58):
and so therefore it is now discrimination.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
All right, So that kind of colors in the story
a little bit better. This isn't you know, the government
seizing all the land. It's only land where it's not
being used. It hasn't been used, and there are no
plans to use it in the future. White South Africaners
who have land that they are using and making money
(20:25):
off of, they can continue to keep that land. But
because they hold eighty seven percent of the farmable land,
this group, the group of white folks in that country
that make up less than ten percent of the population,
I think it's quite it's a lot less than ten
percent of the population, but they own eighty seven percent
(20:47):
of the land that you can use for agriculture, and
a lot of that is not being used. The country
has a law that says, okay, if you're not going
to use the land, we can take it back and
create equitable programs that allow other people access to you know,
all that South Africa has to offer. And again, for
(21:08):
folks that understand the history in South Africa, it was
colonized by people who are not African, and so this
is something that needs to be done otherwise, you know,
if you don't do something, then you know, the people
who live there continue to suffer under oppressive regimes. Now,
(21:29):
it's interesting because the people who really inhabit the land
that ninety percent of the population are black, can look
at those handful of landowners, white landowners, and say, your
possession of the land here is oppressive to us. And
the Donald Trump administration gave those same folks a free
(21:50):
pass to say, well, you're being oppressed, so come to
the United States. These still don't have to give up
your land over there, but here's here's a golden ticket
to the land of opportunity. And it's interesting to note
that that was always the card they could play, and
they haven't. They've chosen not to play that card for
people who again lived here since they were two, grew
(22:11):
up here, all their friends, everything they know is is
here in the United States. They pay taxes, they participate
in the economy, they're not illegal. And yet and still
these people are being deported along with you know, criminals
and all that sort of stuff because there's no due process.
And it's just interesting to note that it's if it's
(22:33):
white folks got to say it the way it is,
there's a decidedly different approach to it. And this flies
in the face to everyone that says, well, you know,
Donald Trump's not racist. Name one thing that he's ever
done that's racist. Listen, man, I think I just did
so we'll leave that one right about there unless you
got anything else. I know, we don't have a lot
of time, but yeah, okay, all right, Well, well leave
(22:57):
that one right there then
Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am
your host, Ramsy's Jah is Ramsey's Jah.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am qward Youth. I'll tuned into Civic Cipher.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And we appreciate that. We want you to stick around
because today we are going to be discussing an interesting
development here in Trump two point zero in the United
States of America. In the history of our great land.
The thing that has caused a lot of distress in
communities around the world, the thing that we hear a
(00:35):
lot from our listeners is it has to do with immigration,
ice raids, things like this. There are a lot of
people very afraid and don't know what power they have
and how to wield that power to affirm their rights
as human beings, to pursue legal means of maintaining their residences,
(00:56):
et cetera. And it's just interesting because because recently under
the Trump administration, the United States has welcomed some South
African immigrants. Now, the notable difference between these immigrants and
the immigrants that we see, you know, on the other end,
of the ice raids is that these South African immigrants
(01:18):
are white and exclusively white, and so we're going to
be discussing that, and you know the implications of that
and perhaps ways that you know, communities can use this
moment to further fortify themselves against you know, what many
people consider to be an oppressor ream. And we're also
going to be spending some time discussing, you know, the
(01:41):
future of women in politics. Jasmine Crockett recently gave a
news interview where she stated that the Democrats are likely
moving in the direction of the safest white boy and
the conversation surrounding that has really caused us to think.
And so we're going to talk about that and so
much more. But before we get there, we are going
(02:02):
to start off with some ebony excellence. Now we I
think we shall. So today's ebony excellence comes from Men's
Journal dot com and we are talking about Ryan Kugler.
So Ryan Kugler Sinners continues its run as one of
the year's biggest hits, and this weekend it hit a
new box office milestone. On Saturday. According to The Rap
(02:23):
Spinner's gross or caught frost Sorry, the two hundred million
dollar market the box office in the United States and Canada,
an achievement no original film has made since Pixar's Coco
arrived in theaters just ahead of Thanksgiving twenty seventeen. Kugler's
musical vampire Flick, which stars regular collaborator Michael B. Jordan
Pulls Sorry, plus Delroy Lindo, Hailey Steinfeld, Miles Canton, and
(02:49):
Jack O'Connell, has been a box office wonderkin right out
of the gate. It's been breaking box office records for
both original films and horror movies since it opened, and
is preparing for a one week only IMAX released beginning Thursday,
May fifteenth. It also has been replaced. Sorry also has
been praised by audiences and critics alike, which has served
as a much needed reminder to Hollywood of moviegoers' desire
(03:13):
for original content. Of course, making cinematic history is nothing
new to Kugler at this point. With the release of
Marvel's Black Panther in twenty eighteen, the now thirty eight
year old writer director became MCU's first black director. The
movie itself became the first superhero film to receive Best
Picture nominations from both the Oscars and the Golden Globes.
Black Panther received seven OSCAR nominations total and won three
(03:35):
of them, Best Costume Designed for Ruthie Carter, Best Production
Design for Hannah Beachler and Jay Hart, and Best Original
Score for Ludwig Gornson, making the Chadwick Boseman starring hit
the first Marvel movie to win an OSCAR. So shout
out to Ryan Coogler, and shout out to sinners, and
(03:56):
shout out that everybody supporting that. That indeed is some
ebony excellent. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And that's an IMAX re release. That's important to point
out because they only there's only like nine I mix
theaters in the country have to make room for specific
movies that are shot for that format. A new Marvel
movie pushed it out of Imax. The movie is so dope,
it pushed the Marvel movie back out.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, nice, all right, Well, like I said, any excellence,
all right. So a little bit of background here and
and Q, you stop me if this is just a
little bit too personal. But I think one of the
things that has troubled us collectively but more specifically Q,
(04:41):
and by extension, it has troubled me is the divisive approach,
the the the hate based approach to immigration and immigrants
in this country by this current administration. Q has really
(05:03):
felt that in his reality in a way that you know,
I have not. We both live in the Southwest, we
both live in border states. We both live in environments
where a lot of the culture and the people and
our friends and so forth are you know, people who
(05:23):
are Mexican and either they moved here when they were little,
or they were here the whole time they were and
their family was here before this was ever the United States,
because this where we live was once Mexico. But in
Q's situation, this current administration's rhetoric and approach has been
(05:48):
kind of scary. And that's a word that you've used.
You've used that word before, so you would think that
while we feel that a lot of it is just
kind of fear mongering, a lot of it is like
immigration policy great, you know, whatever we need that we
need better immigration procedures, so great. And my understanding is
(06:12):
that historically this has been something, you know, going all
the way back fifty plus years, that has been a
political issue that people have had to sort through, particularly
presidents have had to sort through. And it depends on
the conditions, the social conditions, the economic conditions of the country,
what our border policy looks like, our southern border policy
(06:34):
looks like. And Donald Trump specifically has been able to
weaponize the border and use it to whip up fear
in a way in the population, in a way that
we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Right. And you know,
the other side of fear is often hate in many instances,
(06:57):
and so we've seen the country move in a direction
that is decidedly more hateful under his leadership. And for
those that have short memories, remember his first campaign. The
biggest slogan from that first campaign was build the Wall, right,
And the wall wasn't about Canada, it wasn't about China,
it wasn't about Japan, it wasn't about South Korea or
North Korea. Rather, it was about Mexico. And again, for us,
(07:23):
we live on land that used to be Mexico. So
the people here historically they're they're Mexican people, you know.
Are The word I'm looking for is ethnically, They're they're Mexican. Culturally,
they're Mexican. Uh in terms of their nationality, they're American, sure,
but Mexican flags around where we live is a part
(07:46):
of you know, the cultural tapestry of this part of
the country. You know, our children, my children and qu'es
children are half Mexican. This is just the people that
live here. Right. So with all this hate and all
this fear mongering and all this sort of stuff, you
would expect that this immigration policy that got him into
(08:11):
office twice, this divisive approach to immigration that saw him
achieve the highest office in the land, he would have
this kind of he would keep that energy across the board,
you know, for people that have not been paying too
close of attention. But it turns out that Donald Trump
(08:35):
is kind of picking and choosing. I think, you know,
we happen to know there are many people who would
love legal status in this country. They submit paperwork, they
do everything the right way, and the system that is
in place for them to achieve you know, permanent residence
(08:57):
status or citizenship status or whatever the case is is
extremely complicated, challenging, and it's tedious process. Last years. There
are people who've been waiting for decades plus. I know people.
You and I both have a friend. I'll say her
first name is Rachel. But yeah, she's still waiting on
(09:18):
her papers to come back and has been for the
whole time we've known her. Now she has two children,
of course, since she feels a little safer with those
two children. But under Donald Trump, of course, that her
reality has changed quite a bit. So what am I
talking about? Well, let's look at these white South African immigrants.
So I'm going to share a bit. This comes from
the Black Information Network and thenk you. I'll let you
(09:39):
state your own brief. But I wanted to kind of
bring folks up to speed because I know there's a
lot of people around the country who feel that tension
and feel like it might be just about them, and
I think this story kind of makes the case that
it might actually be just about them. I'll let you
double down on that, but for now, this is from
(10:01):
the Black Information Network. A group of white South Africans
is flying to the US after the Trump administration offered
them refugee status and alleged race based persecution. On Sunday,
May eleven, forty nine Afrikaaners, the white minority group in
South Africa, departed their homeland on a privately chartered flight
to Dole's International airport outside of Washington under Trump's refugee plan,
(10:25):
per the Associated Press, The relocation comes after Trump issued
an executive order in February that accused the South African
government of discrimination against Afrikaaners and announced a refugee program
offering to relocate them to the US. The Trump administration
further claims the South African government is enacting racist, anti
white policies through affirmative action laws and targeting Afrikaaners lands
(10:48):
through a new land expropriation law. The US has also
alleged that Afrikaaners are being targeted and racially motivated attacks
in rural communities. The South African government said it was
completely false that Afrikaaners are being persecuted, the claims are
based on misinformation, and the Afrikaners' land isn't being expropriated,
the government stated. The government also denied claims of racism
(11:10):
and attacks against white South Africaners, noting that the group
is among the most economically privileged in the country. Refugee
groups have questioned the Trump administration's moved to fast track
applications for white South Africaners while halting arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq,
Sub Saharan Africa and other areas wrecked by war and
natural disasters. Vetting for refugee status in the US usually
(11:32):
takes years. The first group of Afrikaners is expected to
be welcomed at the Duel's airport by a US government delegation,
including the Deputy Secretary of State and officials from the
Department of Health and Human Services. The flight is a
part of a much larger scale relocation effort. White House
Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a statement,
adding that what's happening to Afrikaaners in their homeland fits
(11:54):
the textbook definition of why the refugee program was created.
Quote this is persecutcution based on a protected characteristic, in
this case race. This is race based persecution. Miller said,
all right, two with Flora's yours.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
If it wasn't so infuriating, it would be funny race
based prosecution or persecution. I'm sorry for white South Africans
and flying into Washington Dulles Airport on a fast tracked
refugee plan because this is why the refugee program was created.
(12:35):
Persecution based on a protected characteristic. The same people who
are the same people that are making affirmative action in
DEI and the word black illegal want us to believe
that they're bringing these people here because they're being persecuted
(12:56):
based on their race. I first have to start with
where I kind of always start when we talk about
things like this, and it's pushing back on the idea
of fear and the cape and the bail and the
benefit of the doubt and the protection that it buys people.
(13:18):
When you say they're scared is dangerous. I am scared
that someone might snatch my children, or snatch me from
my children, or snatch their mom from them. That's fear,
and what I would do to protect them and myself
in the mind of most just basically kind people with
(13:38):
a modicum of empathy would be understood. So when you
give them that same fear pass, then their montrosities that
they do can also be met with some empathy. Well,
if they were afraid, then they did what they had
to do. And that's nonsense. It's not fear. I'm not
afraid of anything. They hate us, and they hate people
with brown skin, so they can take a privately chartered
(14:01):
plane that taxpayers in this country are paying for. Some
of those undocumented workers that have jobs and pay taxes. Yeah,
that tax money goes to these flights too, and fly
them here based on their protected characteristic, which is their race.
Even if we weren't talking about white people. That should
raise an eyebrow when this is the same administration it
(14:22):
says people should not have protected characteristics. So why they
getting rid of history while they're closing museums and banding points,
you know what I mean? Like they don't even they
pandered for two elections at a base that was easy
to manipulate.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They don't pander anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They wear their hypocrisy like a badge now because they know,
and you know, the now new second term president has
known for years that there's nothing he can do that
would discourage or turn away his base. They're going to
support him, show up for him, defend him, apologize for him,
and fight you for him. A man they don't know
that doesn't care about them. They'll fight you their friend
(15:01):
or their coworker or their family member on his behalf.
It's a really really strange thing and having to go
through that people that I know raising their hand to
tell me the silver lining and anything that he's doing.
It's a really disturbing, really dangerous, and really scary place
to be. So when we talk about fear, you're talking
to someone who's actually dealing with the fear that one
day while I'm at work, I might get a call
(15:22):
that my kids don't know where their mom is, or
they might get a call that no one knows where
their dad is. Because that's the country we live in now,
That's what fear looks and sounds like. And again, this
is something that's very personal, that's already showed up at
my door. I've already had to go get my kids
from school to I don't want to talk about it,
(15:42):
But to pretend that the other side is afraid and
not just hateful and racist is almost intentionally dishonest, Like
we're going out of our way to be empathetic to
these people that would never do that for us. They're
not making these decisions because they're afraid of us. They
hate us, and they now have the power to take
everything from us, and the idea of checks and balances
(16:04):
no longer exist. So if you're white, there's a place
for you here. If you've been persecuted and you're white
and you're going through something difficult and you're white, even
though you're the extreme minority of occupants, but the extreme
majority of land owners, you're the persecuted class. What was
(16:26):
the percentage, It's like five or six percent of the
white people in South Africa own seventy or eighty percent
of the land. They want us to believe they're the
ones that are being persecuted.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, and I think that there's something.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
That will never even ask the question, well, why that
doesn't make any sense? Sounds about white, so it sounds
about right.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, So wat's this I think that you know,
for people that don't know the history of South Africa,
people that don't know the history of apartheid, people that
don't know what Nelson Mandela's fight was about in his story,
and people who don't even know who that is. If
(17:12):
all you hear is a government is taking land from
a group of people based on their race, then you
know there are people who could look at that and think, okay,
well that just isn't fair. You know, these people are
being persecuted, right if the headline just reads the way
(17:33):
that it does, and no one goes any deeper, and
no one has any context, no one has any history.
But I think in brief what we can do and
this helps support the numbers. We're going to share a clip.
This is from Don Lemon and he kind of breaks
down a little bit about South Africa and so you
kind of get a little bit more context on the
quote unquote persecution and why this is such a bizarre
(17:57):
move to re locate these white South africaners to the
United States during an administration that is that platform and
is currently decidedly anti immigration and pretty much everything that
it does. So let's listen to Dawn kind of break
(18:18):
this down for us. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It is blatantly obvious the way that we treat white
South Africans, who, by the way, for the most part,
and I am generalizing here, some of the wealthiest people
are well to do people in the country, to speak
their language, they own most of the land and the property,
and somehow they're being granted a fast track to become
(18:42):
Americans while they're trying to cut down on immigration from
other countries. You know, you get that from where from
the brown people. On March seventh, Trump to truth social
to announce ess is offering white South African farmers quote
a rapid pathway to the US citizenship, pointing out that South
Africa's new land reform push into law last year, which
lets the government take land without compensation if the property
(19:05):
is not being used and there's no intention to either
develop or make money from it. Okay, now I'm going
to give you some context here.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
They're not just.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Taking a land away from white South African farmers. White
South Africans, about nine percent of the population, owned eighty
seven percent of the fertile land. Okay, today, Black South
Africans make up more than ninety percent of the population
and they only hold about four percent of all privately
(19:36):
owned land. So what they're trying to do is say, hey,
we need to fix an historical injustice and figure out
if you're not using that land to farm, then we
need to have some of that land, not taking all
of your entire farm. That's not what's happening, and we
need to what there needs to be equity. And now
people are crying because the playing field is being leveled,
(19:58):
and so therefore it is now discrimination.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
All right, So that kind of colors in the story
a little bit better. This isn't you know, the government
seizing all the land. It's only land where it's not
being used. It hasn't been used, and there are no
plans to use it in the future. White South Africaners
who have land that they are using and making money
(20:25):
off of, they can continue to keep that land. But
because they hold eighty seven percent of the farmable land,
this group, the group of white folks in that country
that make up less than ten percent of the population,
I think it's quite it's a lot less than ten
percent of the population, but they own eighty seven percent
(20:47):
of the land that you can use for agriculture, and
a lot of that is not being used. The country
has a law that says, okay, if you're not going
to use the land, we can take it back and
create equitable programs that allow other people access to you know,
all that South Africa has to offer. And again, for
(21:08):
folks that understand the history in South Africa, it was
colonized by people who are not African, and so this
is something that needs to be done otherwise, you know,
if you don't do something, then you know, the people
who live there continue to suffer under oppressive regimes. Now,
(21:29):
it's interesting because the people who really inhabit the land
that ninety percent of the population are black, can look
at those handful of landowners, white landowners, and say, your
possession of the land here is oppressive to us. And
the Donald Trump administration gave those same folks a free
(21:50):
pass to say, well, you're being oppressed, so come to
the United States. These still don't have to give up
your land over there, but here's here's a golden ticket
to the land of opportunity. And it's interesting to note
that that was always the card they could play, and
they haven't. They've chosen not to play that card for
people who again lived here since they were two, grew
(22:11):
up here, all their friends, everything they know is is
here in the United States. They pay taxes, they participate
in the economy, they're not illegal. And yet and still
these people are being deported along with you know, criminals
and all that sort of stuff because there's no due process.
And it's just interesting to note that it's if it's
(22:33):
white folks got to say it the way it is,
there's a decidedly different approach to it. And this flies
in the face to everyone that says, well, you know,
Donald Trump's not racist. Name one thing that he's ever
done that's racist. Listen, man, I think I just did
so we'll leave that one right about there unless you
got anything else. I know, we don't have a lot
of time, but yeah, okay, all right, Well, well leave
(22:57):
that one right there then
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