April 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Sam Haskell IV, 35, is accused of killing and dismembering his wife and her parents, then attempting to dispose of their remains in ordinary black garbage bags.
After Haskell’s arrest, many of his friends and co-workers expressed surprise, not knowing he was married with children. When friends saw the couple out together, Haskell never stopped to introduce Mei and did not greet her either. Tremain Hayhoe, a friend of Sam Haskell IV, joins Crime Stories, explaining that on one of the few occasions Haskell invited him to his home, he barely acknowledged Mei or their newborn son.
Bella Snow also joins Crime Stories, telling Nancy Grace about her dating relationship with Haskell and his pattern of casting Asian actresses
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Tremain Hayhoe - Friend, Actor, Director, Producer, Writer; YouTube: @hayhoestudios
- Bella Snow - Friend, Digital Creator/ Model; YouTube: @Bellasnow/Instagram: @Bella.c.snow/Tiktok: @Bella.c.snow
- Neama Rahmani - Former Federal Prosecutor, Now a Trial Attorney; President of West Coast Trial Lawyers, Author: “Harvard to Hashtag;" INSTAGRAM: @Neamarahmani, X: @NeamaRahmani
- Dr. Judy Ho - Clinical and Forensic Neuropsychologist, Author of 'The New Rules of Attachment;' and 'Stop Self-Sabatoge;' IG & X: @drjudyho; FB: doctorjudyho
- Bill Garcia - Owner of Bill Garcia Investigative Services; Facebook: Bill Garcia Investigative Services, Instagram @BGISInternational
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast: "Mayhem in the Morgue" [launching soon], Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Gigi McKelvey - Journalist, Host of the Podcast “Pretty Lies and Alibis;" Facebook, IG, TikTok: @PrettyLiesAndAlibis/ X: @PrettiesLiesAlibi
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a Hollywood brat keep
his dismembered wife a secret from all of his friends?
And did he have an Asian fetish? Their words, not mine.
(00:22):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Sam Askell is an aspiring filmmaker and son of renowned
Hollywood executive. Maylee is a former model and student at
California State. The pair fine love and within a couple
of years they welcome three children to their California home,
but things go awry when May suddenly goes missing.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
May is not missing. May is dead. Her torso, her
headless torso found in a dumpster by a dumpster diver.
She's not missing. That beautiful young mom of three was
brutally murdered and dismembered, and based on what we are learning,
(01:07):
she may have been dismembered while still alive. Let that
sink in. We're learning a lot about the so called
Hollywood bratt. I'm always a little suspicious when someone is
introduced and instead of telling me about themselves, they start
telling me how important their dad is. Straight out to
(01:30):
Gigi McKelvey, joining us host of Pretty Lies and alibis Gigi.
Who is Haskell's dad? Excuse me, the fourth Haskeled the fourth?
Who is Haskelled the Fourth's father.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
His dad is a former Hollywood executive that was very successful,
and it seems like his son followed in his footsteps
wanting to be in the business. And he comes from
a very prominent and well to do family.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, when you say a big agent, his dad, Sam Haskell.
The third Emmy Award winning producer represents was that William Morris,
George Clooney. Can you get any bigger than that? Dolly Parton.
There's so many that I can't even name them all,
(02:19):
but I'm always a little suspicious. To Nima Romani, former
federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer, author of Harvard de hashtag Nima,
we have put a lot of people on the stand,
and the jury, of course, is the sole judge. It's
their province alone to judge credibility. They're the trier of
the facts and the law. But when you introduced someone,
(02:42):
you go, yeah, this is Sam Haskell, the fourth. His
father's a really big deal. They're multi millionaire's blah blah blah.
What does that mean about him?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
All means he was a baby born on third Base, Nancy,
So he probably never had to work hard for anything
in his entire life because his dad was a very
successful agent at William Morris Agency, former CEO of the
Miss America pageant, I believe obviously talked about some of
the dad's clients. So this isn't someone that had to
(03:12):
work hard for anything that he achieved. And maybe that's
part and parcel of the problem here.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, we're seeing this guy right now and I haven't
even gotten to the dismembered body. Okay, this is a
married father of three little boys. Not judging, but he
didn't work a lick in the sense that his wife
may paid the mortgage, she paid for everything. What is
(03:39):
it that's so irritating me. Maybe he's charged with murder
and ismemboring his wife, but he's really hitting me hard
with the kim k selfies. Here, let's listen from the
horse's mouth.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I went to a tech conference real quick, you guys,
by mistake, and the number one thing they talked about
was consistency, Like, be consistent. Now, I'm consistently never gonna
stop drinking.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Okay, be consistent. I'm never going to stop drinking. Here
is a grown man with three children. I mistakenly went
to a tech conference. Why isn't he out working? Okay,
let's watch more.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
So Epic's like an epic vampire move, like pull up
an escalade outside Paul Wesley's crib. Kids are like, Dad,
where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's like, Oh, she's
gonna go chill with Brad. She's gonna go chill with
Brad Pitt for a while, maybe go to a concert.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
She's not chilling with anybody. She was dismembered. We don't
even have all of her body and her parents who
moved from another country to come and help Mace. She
was working so hard to support Haskell, the fourth they're missing.
We don't even know where their bodies are. Now that's
(04:57):
from Sam Haskell's very own official social media pages. Let's
just look at a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
If you see me typing really fast, like looking really
productive on my laptop, just like typing typing, chances are
I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know what, I would have to call my husband's
mother and report that he's not really working. He's just
sitting at Starbucks typing random numbers. Did you hear what
he just said. I'm about to introduce you two of
his friends. One of them worked with him on movie projects,
which from all I've heard, he and other guys just
(05:35):
do good guy, bad guy in the backyard with some
very expensive movie equipment. The reason I'm showing you these
videos is because sometimes it's very hard to reconcile what
you're seeing. This guy haskel the fourth with what the
prosecutors are saying, what law enforcement is saying. That he
has murdered three people, including the mother of his three children,
(05:58):
and dismember them and gotten rid of their bodies. A
series of flukes led us to May his wife's body,
a series of flukes. If it had not been for
some day laborers and a homeless guy, a dumpster diver,
(06:18):
we would never have found her, Torso, and we would
never have known what happened to May? What about her
three boys? How were they supposed to grow up trying
to figure out if mommy was dismembered while she was
still alive. Now, I've tried to argue this to jury's
many many times that sometimes it's hard to reconcile what
(06:41):
you're seeing. Here's a good example, Scott Peterson right. I
watched him every morning straight into the courtroom. He looked
like the star quarterback, just walking in and all puffed up.
Many people, not me, but many people thought he was
good looking. He's got a college degree, a great job,
full insurance benefits, a loving family, his beautiful wife, a
(07:02):
baby on the way, a gorgeous home. Could he have
done this thing? Murdered his wife, Lacy and their unborn child, Connor,
It's hard to look at them and reconcile the facts
with what you're seeing is as if the I is
tricking the mind. Let's watch Haskell the fourth again.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
for just like completely burning out of my filet, Like,
what kind of a monster are you? Homie?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The entitlement Nima Ramani, I mean the entitlement of complaining
about a steak being overdone at the restaurant above Northstrum
that was probably a fifty dollars steak. Please please play
one more time.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
for just like completely burning the sh out of my filet,
like what kind of a monster are you.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Homian what an entitled little snot That is from Sam
Haskell's very own official social media page, Nima, remember what
you just said about Nepo Baby.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Explain, Netho Baby is someone who rides their parents' coattails.
And when I said, this guy hasn't worked a day
in his life, the jury is going to see that
and there are going to absolutely hate him. This is
no Scott Peterson or Luis Gimanngioni. This is someone that
is going to come across as unlikable. I don't know
(08:32):
how the lawyer's tasked with defending him are going to
have any chance at this case. But just look at him,
look at his own words. He is absolutely vile, disgusting
what's coming out of his mouth, and I think this
is going to be a quick conviction. Nancy.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Back to what we know of the facts.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Listen, the headless torso of a female was found in
a trash dump Stranancino, California by a homeless man just
after six am on November eight, twenty twenty three. The
torso was identified following month as thirty seven year old
Melee Haskell, and now four months later, the autopsy report
has been released According to the autopsy report, her cause
(09:09):
of death has been deferred, but given the circumstances of
the case, which includes the deliberate concealment of the body
by dismemberment and disposal, the manner of death is homicidal violent.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
In one moment, I'm going to an esteem medical examiner,
doctor Kendall Crown's regarding the issue. Was she dismembered while alive?
At How on God's green Earth do they know that?
I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure.
I want to go now to another special guest joining us.
It's Tremaine Heyho joining us out of la longtime frim
(09:43):
Sam Haskell the Fourth, actor, director, producer, writer, and you
can find him on YouTube at hey Ho Studios hay
ho E Studios. Tremaine, thank you for being with us.
Curious what was your reaction and when you learned Sam
Haskell the Fourth I referred to him as the Fourth
(10:07):
is under suspicion for triple murder, specifically the murder and
dismemberment of three people.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Thank you so much for having me here, Nancy.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
But it was horrific. I mean, when I heard about it,
it was shock. It was it was someone that I
had worked with and known for five years.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
And this is.
Speaker 10 (10:28):
Someone who at a period of time I was very
close friends with and I just like would like to
clear the air with Nima and.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
The impression of of him.
Speaker 10 (10:41):
He when I worked with him, I was ac, I
was assistant camera on a lot of his shoots. He
owned a red Epic Dragon and yes he had a
huge thing, oh in that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Two hundred thousand dollars piece of camera equipment.
Speaker 9 (10:55):
Somewhere around there, Yeah, one hundred to two hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And he was able to Yeah under who bought that
for him?
Speaker 9 (11:01):
Is why?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
For his daddy.
Speaker 10 (11:02):
Well, he was able to finance a lot of things
that he was actually really smart with his money. And
I can attest that he made good money once with
that camera. He would make a couple grand two three
grand a day.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know what, Tremaine Haho, I like you, I know
your na charge with murder here, but just poured gas
on the flame for me. You're saying he made good
money by renting out that camera or using that camera
on set such as even a James Bond movie, that camera,
that equipment was used because it's so refined and expensive.
(11:36):
But you're telling me he made good money, then why
it was may working like a slave and paying the mortgage.
Speaker 10 (11:42):
I can't attest how it went after, so this might
be a huge shock to you.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Me and him had a falling out around twenty sixteen.
Speaker 10 (11:50):
So he kind of had a reputation of kind of
being really nice to people, but then he might blow
up on people on set, and I kind of always
wondered if he would ever do that to me, and
eventually he did, and I kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Ever, what I'm curious.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
I forget what it was.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
It was something trivial over a film shoot, film project
that I mean, he could I forget exactly what it was, but.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
It wasn't that huge of a thing. And he just
really exploded on me.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
And I have relatives that have mental illness that I
kind of have to keep a distance from them just
from learning.
Speaker 11 (12:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But wait a minute, you're telling me, Trevine Highead, before
you jump up and give me a mental defect defense.
You told me you worked with him from many, many
years and there was never an outburst. Isn't that true?
Speaker 9 (12:43):
That is no, no, no, no, there was there were outbursts.
Speaker 10 (12:47):
He would he would go off on people, but you know,
getting mad at people on set over things, over trivial things.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
But nothing violent. It was never anything violent that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You continue to work with him, did you not?
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I did, because it was always more of him talking
trash about the costume lady or you know, I never
could tell whether if it was he was serious or not.
And also declear the air those are He's completely joking.
I think there's a in all of his tiktoks. That's
his form of sense of humor. It might not seem
like that, it might not seem it might not seem
(13:20):
funny to you, But we made a short a YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Did you know? As being a writer, a producer, director, actor,
many a true word is spoken in jest. Now, let
me understand this, Tremaine Hejo. You are telling me that
you worked with him and had befriended him for years
and you never found him mentally unstable to the point
that you decided not to work with him anymore. You
(13:48):
quit working with him because he lost his temper at you.
Is that your understanding of the law that a hair
trigger angers mental illness, because it does not. Just because
you have a bad temper and are used to getting
everything you want because you're a Hollywood brat. That does
not equal mental illness.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
Mister Heho, absolutely, and I'm going to clear the air.
Speaker 10 (14:15):
I am not a mental health expert. I'm not anything.
It's just like anything when you're hanging out with friends
and they kind of go off on you, and I
don't know if you've ever experienced something like that, or
someone shows their different side of themselves that he hadn't
seen before.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
So I just kind of.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
Just distanced myself from him, and I am happy that
I did.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Maylee and Sam Haskell are a Cali couple living in
the suburbs of Los Angeles. When tragedy strikes, Maylee and
her parents have seemingly disappeared, and there's no word of
their whereabouts.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well that's not entirely true. I've got word of May's whereabouts.
Torso was found in a dumpster. The PD Police Department
managed to track that back to an earlier call where
day laborers were asked to take away bags of rocks.
They looked in the bags and saw a human belly button.
(15:18):
That started the entire scenario. But I want to focus
on Sam Haskell, the fourth now charged in the dismemberment
and murder of his wife, her parents, who traveled all
the way to this country to help her work and
support Haskell the Fourth and their three boys. She's the
one that paid the mortgage and all the bills. They're
(15:41):
missing too. Their bodies have never been found. When you
don't know a horse, look at a track record. I
be willing to bet they were dismembered and their bodies discarded.
Much like Mays that said, who is this guy? There's
been a media blackout? Hey Haskell? Did you I think
we'd forget about May just because you and your powerful
(16:04):
family have managed to stay out of the headlights and
under the radar for all these months. Well we haven't.
What more do we know about Sam Haschool the Fourth
other than his father is super rich and super famous.
Well we've learned a lot. Listen.
Speaker 12 (16:23):
Every time it's like, oh, yeah, my dad's working on
like this show, he's doing that, or like you know,
it's a bit of showing off, Like I don't know
what is that?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Like nepotism Like nepotism question mark That is from our
friends at Investigation Discovery in the shadow Death by Fame
and that woman was too afraid to have her face
shown afraid it would be a career ender in Hollywood.
But I want you to hear what is said next.
Speaker 12 (16:54):
Listen all this time that Sam asked me to go
and dates with him, It's very straightforward. Let's go to dinner,
let's go to lunch, Let's go on a date. Never ever,
did I ever knew that he was married.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
We have tracked down friends, colleagues, even as personal trainer.
None of them knew he was married with children. That
was from our friends and investigation discovery. In the shadow
Death by Fame, it's about Haskell the Fourth. Joining me
now is someone who is not afraid to speak out.
Bella Snow joining us from La, a former friend of
(17:34):
Haskell the Fourth, a digital creator. You can tell by
looking at her that she's also a model. She's on
YouTube at Bella Snow, on Insta at bella dot c
dot snow, at TikTok at bella dot c dot snow,
Miss Snow, thank you for being with us. What was
(17:55):
your reaction when you learned that Sam Haskell the Fourth
was charged with not just murder but dismembering his wife May.
Speaker 13 (18:05):
When I find out, I was totally shocked because Sam
is somebody that I know for like a very long time,
almost ten years back when it was just nineteen, just
moved to La being in fashion school and we both
work in fashion together. And when I find out the
news is that the Sam I really knew because Sam
was the nicest person to me ever, and we get
(18:28):
to know each other and we do have like a
lot of dinner, late night work. I stay up his
house many times to work with editing. It was a
total shock for me. I'm still shocked now that this happened.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So there was never any hint that he had a
bad temper.
Speaker 13 (18:46):
That never He always like the nicest one to me.
I know he does have a little bit more tempered
to his co worker because he does. During our shoot,
we he hired a whole team of production, and I
do send the send of like being a boss in
(19:08):
the production. But he was always being nice to like
the talent.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Question, Bella just going out on a limb here did
he hit on you?
Speaker 13 (19:18):
He did? Yes, I think that's going to be the
first time when we met each other. We do have
a little bit more like flirting back and forth. And
then we find out we're both in fashion and production,
so that's why we collaborate with each other.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Crowd the year.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
What did he have to do with fashion?
Speaker 13 (19:35):
So is he used in Trappis red camera at the
LA Fashion Week recording the fashion week show. And I
attend a lot of the fashion week shows and one
of the shows he came up to me like, oh,
you look like because I was walking one to the
show and he would love to collaborate. And that's when
I told him, Oh, I was also a fashion designer.
(19:56):
I was a passion student just graduated so operate. He
would have a lot of clients in the music industry
making music video and I as a fashion designer, I
would design his client's outfit for the music video and
also work in pro production editing. So I also show
him how to edit and he would ask me back
(20:16):
for how should we cut this? How we cut that?
Speaker 9 (20:20):
So we would work.
Speaker 13 (20:21):
A lot of late night together in like fashion film.
We do a lot of fashion film together.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Also, now you stated that you worked late nights with
him at his home.
Speaker 13 (20:31):
Yes, I did. I did spend a few nights over.
We do have a little bit a lot of late
night dinner. We spend a lot of time together editing
on the computer. Because the red camera does take a
whole day to practice process for us to editing, so
we do spend a lot of time together.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yet even though you were in the home with his
wife and children, he still hit on you.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
Yes, because I did not know during the time that
we were together he was married. His dad does have
a lot a home here in LA and that's why
we normally do our filming and editing. I have no
idea he was married all with May because that's the
only home he lived, and I spent many night and
(21:16):
there was nobody else ever there, so I would never
know that he was married.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So he had another home.
Speaker 13 (21:23):
So this is his dad growing up, childhood's home. He
would all have his pool, his treehouse, and he'd show, oh,
that's the treehouse I was growing up and playing out outside.
That's also like a dollhouse in a bag, basketball court
and everything. And that's where he lived. And I was
spend in his room and everything, and nobody else lived
there but him.
Speaker 14 (21:44):
Just before four pm on Tuesday, November seventh, Sam Haskell
the fourth hire so a couple of day laborers for
five hundred dollars to take three bags of rocks to
the dump. The men open a bag, seeing a belly button,
The men returned the bags and the money. Haskell, who
claims they saw Halloween, prompts the workers go to the police,
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but ended up having to call nine to one one
from the parking lot. By the time cops get to Hiskell's,
Haskell is gone and so are the bags.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Halloween props. H gg McKelvey joining me, host of Pretty
Lies and Alibi's podcast, GGI again, thank you for being
with us. Wait, so he hires day laborers just are
people pawns to this guy. He thinks they're not gonna
look in the bag, didn't They say that? He told
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them that they were carrying rocks, but it felt squishy,
and they looked in and see a human belly button.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
That's exactly what happened. He threw five hundred dollars at
these four men and had them come to the house
and said, I need you to.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Haul off these bagg of rocks.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Felt squishy, They look inside into their horror, they see
human rem They bring the bags back and leave them
in the driveway, give the money back, call police, but
when police arrive, the bags are gone and never to
be found again.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Gigi, there was a big screw up right there. You're
absolutely correct. The day laborers go, oh, it's a human stomach.
These are not rocks. They go to the police. The
police go, uh, you got to call nine one one.
They send the day laborers out in the parking lot
and they call nine one one. So the police finally
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get to Haskell four's and what do they find.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
The bags were gone, they were not there. And I
mean there was a huge time gap there where if
it had been addressed immediately, maybe they would have solved
this case a lot sooner than it not taken the
next day to get him arrested.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And maybe May's parents would still be alive. But maybe
just to maybe Nimo Romani, I guarantee to you this
is what Haskell four was thinking. That these day laborers
were undocumented and they wouldn't risk going to police. He
thought they would dump the bags of May's remains and
(24:15):
be in the wind, guarantee you. He never thought they'd
be state's witnesses.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Oh, that's absolutely right, Nancy. He wants someone to do
his dirty work, and who better than someone that may
be afraid of the police themselves. And you're right, Lapd,
you really dropped the ball at least in terms of
the investigation at the outset, and you're talking to someone
who lives and works in the city of la But
fortunately those labors they did the right thing. They contacted
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law enforcement. They call nine to one one, which really
makes no sense because that goes to HB dispatch and Sacramento,
which then reroutes the call back to LAPD. So whoever
gave him that advice was the wrong advice, but ultimately
they got it right. And who knows you're right, Nancy.
Maybe if they acted soon, May's parents would have been alive.
So this is the type of thing that it's not
(25:04):
a shoplifting case. It's not something minor. You're talking about
dead body parts.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
You got to act.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
If your LAPD detectives do.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Better, pronto, pronto again. Joining me, Tremaine Heho a long
time former friend of Haskell on the Fourth writer, director,
producer at hay Host Studios, at YouTube, Tremaine, it's not
just murder, And I really want you to dig deep
(25:34):
and tell me your impressions of Haskell contemporaneous with the
time that you need him, not now, because what you
saw then is what he's going to try and imitate
at trial.
Speaker 9 (25:48):
I don't.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
Yeah, if he's a lot can happen in eight years
and if he is guilty as sin, lock him up
and throw away the keep. But it is all again,
it's all Ad is such a terrible situation. I feel
bad for his folks who let me clear the air.
His folks were really nice, sweet, consistently, so.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I feel bad asking about him as a person. What
did he project? What kind of a person? I mean,
we're talking about body parts in a trash bag day
laborers seeing a belly button.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
I wouldn't have I wouldn't have guessed. And he doesn't
seem to be a criminal mastermind.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
That was that.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
Thank God for those day laborers who stood up for
them selves. And it's ridiculous that LAPD didn't take them serious.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
This is really horrible and again I'm I'm trying not
to think about it, but we don't know. If we
can't find the poor parents, it's it's just all bad.
But let me ask you this as a lawyer, are
you got a question?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You and Bella are in the business, the TV, the
entertainment industry, Tremaine. There has been a noticeable radio silence
on Haskell the Forest case, if you go on and
google him. Okay, if you do even that much less
and intensive investigation that we've done, there's practically nothing for
(27:18):
months on end. Could that be orchestrated by a powerful PR.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Machine, Well, that that would be actually nothing.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
That would actually be my question to you as an attorney,
what happens if there's a radio silence, if there's you're
not hearing about the case.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
What does that mean exact? And how long do these
cases take?
Speaker 10 (27:41):
Is is it going to be a long case or
is it going to be cut and dry? Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I guarantee you it's going to be a really really
protracted investigation and case because the forensics alone, tremaine he hoo,
are going to be oh gosh numbing. You've got at
least one body. We don't have a CEOD cause of
death because the body was dismembered. We don't know if
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she was alive when she was dismembered. A lot has
to be explained to the jury, not only that this
is May's remains, but that we know, based on hopefully
deox survivo nucleic acid DNA or fingerprints or some other
genetic material that he Sam Haskell is the person that
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killed her. That's going to be a labor intensive endeavor
for the medical examiner. But I guess let me just
rephrase my question, Tremaine Haho, how did he strike you?
What was his personality? That's what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
When I was working with him, he was funny and
really dry humor. But he did have a temper at times,
that's all about I'll say. But he never really blew
up on me. He'd be more of the type of
guy to get thrown out a cheesecake factory than you
made a crime like this. But again, this is this
is all bad. This is horrible, and I hope they
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find evidence in that.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Justice crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 15 (29:23):
The couple is married in twenty ten, and as they
welcome children, May's parents move in with the family to
help with childcare.
Speaker 16 (29:30):
Pascal's friends and co workers agree they had no idea
he was married with children. Haskell made no mention of
May or any of his three sons in the years
they worked with him. Friends that did get close enough
to Haskell to run into May say Haskell never stopped
to introduce her, much less greet.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Her to renowned clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, author of the
New Rules of Attachment and Stop Self Sabotage, Doctor Judy
Hoe Docter. Judy, thank you for being with us. What
does this mean? I mean when I look at the
gorgeous bell of snow and I think about all the
times Haskell four was with her, never mentioned his wife
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and children hit on her, And now we know he had,
according to others their words, not mine, and Asian fetish.
How does that play into the alleged murder of his wife,
who is Asian? May Well, Nancy, there was definitely a
pattern here.
Speaker 17 (30:28):
There were other people who reported that they never knew
about his family, that he was married, didn't know who
may was, even if they did see her in passing
or even when they stopped in their house. And it's
interesting that he does have this focus on a specific
physical type. There's certain beliefs sometimes that people may hold
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if they truly have what is termed an Asian fetish
about Asian women perhaps traditionally being more submissive, and some
people are more attracted to that as a value. There
are other reasons too, of course, Nancy. But I think
what we know is that this person is clearly two cited.
We're hearing reports that he has a temper issue. We've
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seen reports in the news that May's past friends have
said that she's been thinking of leaving him, but she
can't because she's afraid that perhaps there will be repercussions
because he comes from such a powerful family, and she
doesn't want to lose custody of her sons. And I
just think that there was so much more beneath the
surface that he never showed anyone. He makes these social
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media posts like he knows everything, and yet in his
family life. What kind of father was he? What kind
of husband was he? Did he actually threaten me that
she can't leave him because he might try to take
full custody of the children. There's so much that we
don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What is it main psychologically, you're the forensic neuro psychologist
and author that he, according to the state, murdered her,
possibly dismembering her before she was dead, and throw her
in a trash bag, having day laborers come to krt
off her remains, and when that failed, according to an
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eye witness, he disposed of her body in a dumpster
with refuse.
Speaker 17 (32:12):
Well, Nancy, that shows a couple of things. One is
of course blatant disrespect that he would just murder her
and then dispose of her in such an egregious way.
But secondly, it doesn't seem like he's really truly thought
through the consequences. That first he was going to just
ask these day labors to get rid of these remains,
lied that they were rocks. Clearly, the day laborers knew
as soon as they picked up the bag that it
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didn't feel like rocks because it was soft and soggy.
And then secondly the fact that then he thought he
would just dispose of it himself and get away with it. Clearly,
this is not a person who's truly a criminal mastermind
if he thought he could get away with all of
these actions. But I think that we saw that there
were some warning signs. Perhaps he was obsessed with violence
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in his own movies and projects. He had weapons all
around the house to the point where neighbors were feeling
like it would be unsafe for their children to go
play in their house. So there was some kind of
fascination with brutal killings and violence. And it's just so
sad nancy that it ended up in this way, and
even more ridiculous, that he thought he could get away
with all of this by essentially hiring somebody, paying them
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five hundred dollars to get rid of all of the evidence.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
And betting on the fact that they would never become
state's witness or go to police. Joining me now is
doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner Terran County. That's fort Worth,
never a lack of business, and he is the star
of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
(33:43):
Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, congratulations
on your new venture, your podcast, may Him in the Morgue.
Doctor Kendall Crown's, how could there be confusion on the
part of the medical examiner that they cannot tell the
cod cause of death and we don't know whether may
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was dismembered while still alive.
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Okay, well for s thanks for the congratulations, fancy. But secondly,
the main thing is is all you have is a
torso you don't have a head, you don't have the extremities.
So the medical examiners are dealing with the fact that
they're looking for injuries that they made. They don't have
a complete body, so they don't know if she was
strangled or she was shot in the head or something
along those lines. Unless there's a direct injury to the
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torso that they can say, oh, that looks like a
stab wound. They're kind of left with not a complete body,
so they don't have complete information, so they're going to
wait and see if they can find any more body parts.
But in the meantime, they know she died. They know
she was dismembered, so she was murdered in some fashion.
They can look at the body, the torso itself and
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look for injuries that would show that she was still
living if she was dismembered while still alive, and that's
hemorrhage and the tissues around the dismembering sites. If you
see that, you know their heart was still beating when
they were cutting the limbs off in the head off.
And again, they don't have the whole body, so they're
kind of left with half answers, and that's why they're
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still hesitant of giving an exact cause of death that
they know the manner of death is homicide.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Back to special Guest joining us Bella Snow Digital creator
model at YouTube. She's at Bella Snow Bella And all
the time that you knew Haskell the fourth, you were
never told he was married with three little boys, that
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his wife was the one paying the mortgage while he
was living part time at his bat cave. When you
hear doctor Kendall Crowd's describing what happened to May, what
goes through your mind?
Speaker 13 (36:01):
What went through my mind is that could have been me.
Me and Sam didn't officially date, but we do dayly
a few years and we spent a lot of pun
together during the same time that he knew May and
he married May, and nobody know that he was married
or have kids. My makeup artists or everybody that worked
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in the production, nobody knew. We never saw such a
big family. We never seen a wedding photo. We never
have kids photo. He posts a lot of social media,
but he'd never posts any of his family that. We
never seen any of Sam wedding photo, so we never knew.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
That's really interesting, Bella Snow that not only did you
not know about May, but he never showed photos of
his three boys. Nothing.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
No, we never saw a photo of him in like
a family setting. I remember he showed me photo of May.
But he showed me a photo of May because he
does have a lot of different female girls in his
podject and he would ask me about what my opinion
is during his casting and like, oh, what do you
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think about this girl? And like, oh, she's pretty, and
he just mentioned, oh, she's just a model, until now
that I find out that May was actually his wife
when he showed me pictures.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So he asks you, the woman that he's hitting on,
what you think of his wife's looks without divulging at
his wife.
Speaker 13 (37:36):
Yes, he just mentioned, oh, that's just another model, because
he does picture take picture a lot of different female models.
Because at that moment we was working he was also
working on casting of who's his dream character is for
this movie he's trying to make. And he always asked
me what do you think this person? What do you
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think of this person? And make us a him up
and he said, oh, it's just another model. He never
mentioned May was actually his wife until I find out
now that was married to May.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I guess that's the moment you're never going to forget.
When he asked you to pass judgment on his wife, Bella.
You were there to observe the people that he cast
did He cast primarily Asian women.
Speaker 13 (38:26):
Most of the movie he make is based on like
he kind of wanted to make like a live action
of an Asian movie, Asian college high school. So you
do have a lot of Asian casting also called Asian.
But he does have his dream team. It does flirt
with a lot of Asian girls. I do have a
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lot of Asian friends that we do projects together, and like, oh,
she's pretty, she's pretty, but she never he never flirt
with anybody else in front of me.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Would you say that you had a dating relationship with him?
Speaker 13 (39:00):
I did it so back then. It's always people know
that it's oh it's Bella and Sam because we spend
a lot of time together. We have a lot of
late night dinner after he got back to work, and yeah,
we just spend time like normal dating couple do would.
And I would never know that he was married because
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it was never came up or he always lived by himself.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Bella, I'm just looking at you and you're so particular,
You're so beautiful, and I just thank god that you
never angered him to the extent that you ended up
in a trash bag and I want to thank you
for joining us, Bella.
Speaker 13 (39:43):
Thank you for having me. It did him to my
head many times that that could have been me. I
could have been that transferl in that body back and
become sick o'cock me. That could have been me.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Even though the media has gone radio silent on the
Haskell four investigation, the state is still building their case.
If you know or think you know anything about the
death of may or her parents, please dale eight hundred
two two two eight four seven seven repeat eight hundred
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two two two tips. Thank you to our guests for
being with us. Needsy Grace signing off, good night friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a Hollywood brat keep
his dismembered wife a secret from all of his friends?
And did he have an Asian fetish? Their words, not mine.
(00:22):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Sam Askell is an aspiring filmmaker and son of renowned
Hollywood executive. Maylee is a former model and student at
California State. The pair fine love and within a couple
of years they welcome three children to their California home,
but things go awry when May suddenly goes missing.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
May is not missing. May is dead. Her torso, her
headless torso found in a dumpster by a dumpster diver.
She's not missing. That beautiful young mom of three was
brutally murdered and dismembered, and based on what we are learning,
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she may have been dismembered while still alive. Let that
sink in. We're learning a lot about the so called
Hollywood bratt. I'm always a little suspicious when someone is
introduced and instead of telling me about themselves, they start
telling me how important their dad is. Straight out to
(01:30):
Gigi McKelvey, joining us host of Pretty Lies and alibis Gigi.
Who is Haskell's dad? Excuse me, the fourth Haskeled the fourth?
Who is Haskelled the Fourth's father.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
His dad is a former Hollywood executive that was very successful,
and it seems like his son followed in his footsteps
wanting to be in the business. And he comes from
a very prominent and well to do family.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, when you say a big agent, his dad, Sam Haskell.
The third Emmy Award winning producer represents was that William Morris,
George Clooney. Can you get any bigger than that? Dolly Parton.
There's so many that I can't even name them all,
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but I'm always a little suspicious. To Nima Romani, former
federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer, author of Harvard de hashtag Nima,
we have put a lot of people on the stand,
and the jury, of course, is the sole judge. It's
their province alone to judge credibility. They're the trier of
the facts and the law. But when you introduced someone,
(02:42):
you go, yeah, this is Sam Haskell, the fourth. His
father's a really big deal. They're multi millionaire's blah blah blah.
What does that mean about him?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
All means he was a baby born on third Base, Nancy,
So he probably never had to work hard for anything
in his entire life because his dad was a very
successful agent at William Morris Agency, former CEO of the
Miss America pageant, I believe obviously talked about some of
the dad's clients. So this isn't someone that had to
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work hard for anything that he achieved. And maybe that's
part and parcel of the problem here.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, we're seeing this guy right now and I haven't
even gotten to the dismembered body. Okay, this is a
married father of three little boys. Not judging, but he
didn't work a lick in the sense that his wife
may paid the mortgage, she paid for everything. What is
(03:39):
it that's so irritating me. Maybe he's charged with murder
and ismemboring his wife, but he's really hitting me hard
with the kim k selfies. Here, let's listen from the
horse's mouth.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I went to a tech conference real quick, you guys,
by mistake, and the number one thing they talked about
was consistency, Like, be consistent. Now, I'm consistently never gonna
stop drinking.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Okay, be consistent. I'm never going to stop drinking. Here
is a grown man with three children. I mistakenly went
to a tech conference. Why isn't he out working? Okay,
let's watch more.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
So Epic's like an epic vampire move, like pull up
an escalade outside Paul Wesley's crib. Kids are like, Dad,
where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's like, Oh, she's
gonna go chill with Brad. She's gonna go chill with
Brad Pitt for a while, maybe go to a concert.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
She's not chilling with anybody. She was dismembered. We don't
even have all of her body and her parents who
moved from another country to come and help Mace. She
was working so hard to support Haskell, the fourth they're missing.
We don't even know where their bodies are. Now that's
(04:57):
from Sam Haskell's very own official social media pages. Let's
just look at a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
If you see me typing really fast, like looking really
productive on my laptop, just like typing typing, chances are
I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know what, I would have to call my husband's
mother and report that he's not really working. He's just
sitting at Starbucks typing random numbers. Did you hear what
he just said. I'm about to introduce you two of
his friends. One of them worked with him on movie projects,
which from all I've heard, he and other guys just
(05:35):
do good guy, bad guy in the backyard with some
very expensive movie equipment. The reason I'm showing you these
videos is because sometimes it's very hard to reconcile what
you're seeing. This guy haskel the fourth with what the
prosecutors are saying, what law enforcement is saying. That he
has murdered three people, including the mother of his three children,
(05:58):
and dismember them and gotten rid of their bodies. A
series of flukes led us to May his wife's body,
a series of flukes. If it had not been for
some day laborers and a homeless guy, a dumpster diver,
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we would never have found her, Torso, and we would
never have known what happened to May? What about her
three boys? How were they supposed to grow up trying
to figure out if mommy was dismembered while she was
still alive. Now, I've tried to argue this to jury's
many many times that sometimes it's hard to reconcile what
(06:41):
you're seeing. Here's a good example, Scott Peterson right. I
watched him every morning straight into the courtroom. He looked
like the star quarterback, just walking in and all puffed up.
Many people, not me, but many people thought he was
good looking. He's got a college degree, a great job,
full insurance benefits, a loving family, his beautiful wife, a
(07:02):
baby on the way, a gorgeous home. Could he have
done this thing? Murdered his wife, Lacy and their unborn child, Connor,
It's hard to look at them and reconcile the facts
with what you're seeing is as if the I is
tricking the mind. Let's watch Haskell the fourth again.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
for just like completely burning out of my filet, Like,
what kind of a monster are you? Homie?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The entitlement Nima Ramani, I mean the entitlement of complaining
about a steak being overdone at the restaurant above Northstrum
that was probably a fifty dollars steak. Please please play
one more time.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums
for just like completely burning the sh out of my filet,
like what kind of a monster are you.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Homian what an entitled little snot That is from Sam
Haskell's very own official social media page, Nima, remember what
you just said about Nepo Baby.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Explain, Netho Baby is someone who rides their parents' coattails.
And when I said, this guy hasn't worked a day
in his life, the jury is going to see that
and there are going to absolutely hate him. This is
no Scott Peterson or Luis Gimanngioni. This is someone that
is going to come across as unlikable. I don't know
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how the lawyer's tasked with defending him are going to
have any chance at this case. But just look at him,
look at his own words. He is absolutely vile, disgusting
what's coming out of his mouth, and I think this
is going to be a quick conviction. Nancy.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Back to what we know of the facts.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Listen, the headless torso of a female was found in
a trash dump Stranancino, California by a homeless man just
after six am on November eight, twenty twenty three. The
torso was identified following month as thirty seven year old
Melee Haskell, and now four months later, the autopsy report
has been released According to the autopsy report, her cause
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of death has been deferred, but given the circumstances of
the case, which includes the deliberate concealment of the body
by dismemberment and disposal, the manner of death is homicidal violent.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
In one moment, I'm going to an esteem medical examiner,
doctor Kendall Crown's regarding the issue. Was she dismembered while alive?
At How on God's green Earth do they know that?
I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure.
I want to go now to another special guest joining us.
It's Tremaine Heyho joining us out of la longtime frim
(09:43):
Sam Haskell the Fourth, actor, director, producer, writer, and you
can find him on YouTube at hey Ho Studios hay
ho E Studios. Tremaine, thank you for being with us.
Curious what was your reaction and when you learned Sam
Haskell the Fourth I referred to him as the Fourth
(10:07):
is under suspicion for triple murder, specifically the murder and
dismemberment of three people.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Thank you so much for having me here, Nancy.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
But it was horrific. I mean, when I heard about it,
it was shock. It was it was someone that I
had worked with and known for five years.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
And this is.
Speaker 10 (10:28):
Someone who at a period of time I was very
close friends with and I just like would like to
clear the air with Nima and.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
The impression of of him.
Speaker 10 (10:41):
He when I worked with him, I was ac, I
was assistant camera on a lot of his shoots. He
owned a red Epic Dragon and yes he had a
huge thing, oh in that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Two hundred thousand dollars piece of camera equipment.
Speaker 9 (10:55):
Somewhere around there, Yeah, one hundred to two hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And he was able to Yeah under who bought that
for him?
Speaker 9 (11:01):
Is why?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
For his daddy.
Speaker 10 (11:02):
Well, he was able to finance a lot of things
that he was actually really smart with his money. And
I can attest that he made good money once with
that camera. He would make a couple grand two three
grand a day.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know what, Tremaine Haho, I like you, I know
your na charge with murder here, but just poured gas
on the flame for me. You're saying he made good
money by renting out that camera or using that camera
on set such as even a James Bond movie, that camera,
that equipment was used because it's so refined and expensive.
(11:36):
But you're telling me he made good money, then why
it was may working like a slave and paying the mortgage.
Speaker 10 (11:42):
I can't attest how it went after, so this might
be a huge shock to you.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Me and him had a falling out around twenty sixteen.
Speaker 10 (11:50):
So he kind of had a reputation of kind of
being really nice to people, but then he might blow
up on people on set, and I kind of always
wondered if he would ever do that to me, and
eventually he did, and I kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Ever, what I'm curious.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
I forget what it was.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
It was something trivial over a film shoot, film project
that I mean, he could I forget exactly what it was, but.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
It wasn't that huge of a thing. And he just
really exploded on me.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
And I have relatives that have mental illness that I
kind of have to keep a distance from them just
from learning.
Speaker 11 (12:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But wait a minute, you're telling me, Trevine Highead, before
you jump up and give me a mental defect defense.
You told me you worked with him from many, many
years and there was never an outburst. Isn't that true?
Speaker 9 (12:43):
That is no, no, no, no, there was there were outbursts.
Speaker 10 (12:47):
He would he would go off on people, but you know,
getting mad at people on set over things, over trivial things.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
But nothing violent. It was never anything violent that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You continue to work with him, did you not?
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I did, because it was always more of him talking
trash about the costume lady or you know, I never
could tell whether if it was he was serious or not.
And also declear the air those are He's completely joking.
I think there's a in all of his tiktoks. That's
his form of sense of humor. It might not seem
like that, it might not seem it might not seem
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funny to you, But we made a short a YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Did you know? As being a writer, a producer, director, actor,
many a true word is spoken in jest. Now, let
me understand this, Tremaine Hejo. You are telling me that
you worked with him and had befriended him for years
and you never found him mentally unstable to the point
that you decided not to work with him anymore. You
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quit working with him because he lost his temper at you.
Is that your understanding of the law that a hair
trigger angers mental illness, because it does not. Just because
you have a bad temper and are used to getting
everything you want because you're a Hollywood brat. That does
not equal mental illness.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
Mister Heho, absolutely, and I'm going to clear the air.
Speaker 10 (14:15):
I am not a mental health expert. I'm not anything.
It's just like anything when you're hanging out with friends
and they kind of go off on you, and I
don't know if you've ever experienced something like that, or
someone shows their different side of themselves that he hadn't
seen before.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
So I just kind of.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
Just distanced myself from him, and I am happy that
I did.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Maylee and Sam Haskell are a Cali couple living in
the suburbs of Los Angeles. When tragedy strikes, Maylee and
her parents have seemingly disappeared, and there's no word of
their whereabouts.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well that's not entirely true. I've got word of May's whereabouts.
Torso was found in a dumpster. The PD Police Department
managed to track that back to an earlier call where
day laborers were asked to take away bags of rocks.
They looked in the bags and saw a human belly button.
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That started the entire scenario. But I want to focus
on Sam Haskell, the fourth now charged in the dismemberment
and murder of his wife, her parents, who traveled all
the way to this country to help her work and
support Haskell the Fourth and their three boys. She's the
one that paid the mortgage and all the bills. They're
(15:41):
missing too. Their bodies have never been found. When you
don't know a horse, look at a track record. I
be willing to bet they were dismembered and their bodies discarded.
Much like Mays that said, who is this guy? There's
been a media blackout? Hey Haskell? Did you I think
we'd forget about May just because you and your powerful
(16:04):
family have managed to stay out of the headlights and
under the radar for all these months. Well we haven't.
What more do we know about Sam Haschool the Fourth
other than his father is super rich and super famous.
Well we've learned a lot. Listen.
Speaker 12 (16:23):
Every time it's like, oh, yeah, my dad's working on
like this show, he's doing that, or like you know,
it's a bit of showing off, Like I don't know
what is that?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Like nepotism Like nepotism question mark That is from our
friends at Investigation Discovery in the shadow Death by Fame
and that woman was too afraid to have her face
shown afraid it would be a career ender in Hollywood.
But I want you to hear what is said next.
Speaker 12 (16:54):
Listen all this time that Sam asked me to go
and dates with him, It's very straightforward. Let's go to dinner,
let's go to lunch, Let's go on a date. Never ever,
did I ever knew that he was married.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
We have tracked down friends, colleagues, even as personal trainer.
None of them knew he was married with children. That
was from our friends and investigation discovery. In the shadow
Death by Fame, it's about Haskell the Fourth. Joining me
now is someone who is not afraid to speak out.
Bella Snow joining us from La, a former friend of
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Haskell the Fourth, a digital creator. You can tell by
looking at her that she's also a model. She's on
YouTube at Bella Snow, on Insta at bella dot c
dot snow, at TikTok at bella dot c dot snow,
Miss Snow, thank you for being with us. What was
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your reaction when you learned that Sam Haskell the Fourth
was charged with not just murder but dismembering his wife May.
Speaker 13 (18:05):
When I find out, I was totally shocked because Sam
is somebody that I know for like a very long time,
almost ten years back when it was just nineteen, just
moved to La being in fashion school and we both
work in fashion together. And when I find out the
news is that the Sam I really knew because Sam
was the nicest person to me ever, and we get
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to know each other and we do have like a
lot of dinner, late night work. I stay up his
house many times to work with editing. It was a
total shock for me. I'm still shocked now that this happened.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So there was never any hint that he had a
bad temper.
Speaker 13 (18:46):
That never He always like the nicest one to me.
I know he does have a little bit more tempered
to his co worker because he does. During our shoot,
we he hired a whole team of production, and I
do send the send of like being a boss in
(19:08):
the production. But he was always being nice to like
the talent.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Question, Bella just going out on a limb here did
he hit on you?
Speaker 13 (19:18):
He did? Yes, I think that's going to be the
first time when we met each other. We do have
a little bit more like flirting back and forth. And
then we find out we're both in fashion and production,
so that's why we collaborate with each other.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Crowd the year.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
What did he have to do with fashion?
Speaker 13 (19:35):
So is he used in Trappis red camera at the
LA Fashion Week recording the fashion week show. And I
attend a lot of the fashion week shows and one
of the shows he came up to me like, oh,
you look like because I was walking one to the
show and he would love to collaborate. And that's when
I told him, Oh, I was also a fashion designer.
(19:56):
I was a passion student just graduated so operate. He
would have a lot of clients in the music industry
making music video and I as a fashion designer, I
would design his client's outfit for the music video and
also work in pro production editing. So I also show
him how to edit and he would ask me back
(20:16):
for how should we cut this? How we cut that?
Speaker 9 (20:20):
So we would work.
Speaker 13 (20:21):
A lot of late night together in like fashion film.
We do a lot of fashion film together.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Also, now you stated that you worked late nights with
him at his home.
Speaker 13 (20:31):
Yes, I did. I did spend a few nights over.
We do have a little bit a lot of late
night dinner. We spend a lot of time together editing
on the computer. Because the red camera does take a
whole day to practice process for us to editing, so
we do spend a lot of time together.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yet even though you were in the home with his
wife and children, he still hit on you.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
Yes, because I did not know during the time that
we were together he was married. His dad does have
a lot a home here in LA and that's why
we normally do our filming and editing. I have no
idea he was married all with May because that's the
only home he lived, and I spent many night and
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there was nobody else ever there, so I would never
know that he was married.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So he had another home.
Speaker 13 (21:23):
So this is his dad growing up, childhood's home. He
would all have his pool, his treehouse, and he'd show, oh,
that's the treehouse I was growing up and playing out outside.
That's also like a dollhouse in a bag, basketball court
and everything. And that's where he lived. And I was
spend in his room and everything, and nobody else lived
there but him.
Speaker 14 (21:44):
Just before four pm on Tuesday, November seventh, Sam Haskell
the fourth hire so a couple of day laborers for
five hundred dollars to take three bags of rocks to
the dump. The men open a bag, seeing a belly button,
The men returned the bags and the money. Haskell, who
claims they saw Halloween, prompts the workers go to the police,
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but ended up having to call nine to one one
from the parking lot. By the time cops get to Hiskell's,
Haskell is gone and so are the bags.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Halloween props. H gg McKelvey joining me, host of Pretty
Lies and Alibi's podcast, GGI again, thank you for being
with us. Wait, so he hires day laborers just are
people pawns to this guy. He thinks they're not gonna
look in the bag, didn't They say that? He told
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them that they were carrying rocks, but it felt squishy,
and they looked in and see a human belly button.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
That's exactly what happened. He threw five hundred dollars at
these four men and had them come to the house
and said, I need you to.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Haul off these bagg of rocks.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Felt squishy, They look inside into their horror, they see
human rem They bring the bags back and leave them
in the driveway, give the money back, call police, but
when police arrive, the bags are gone and never to
be found again.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Gigi, there was a big screw up right there. You're
absolutely correct. The day laborers go, oh, it's a human stomach.
These are not rocks. They go to the police. The
police go, uh, you got to call nine one one.
They send the day laborers out in the parking lot
and they call nine one one. So the police finally
(23:32):
get to Haskell four's and what do they find.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
The bags were gone, they were not there. And I
mean there was a huge time gap there where if
it had been addressed immediately, maybe they would have solved
this case a lot sooner than it not taken the
next day to get him arrested.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And maybe May's parents would still be alive. But maybe
just to maybe Nimo Romani, I guarantee to you this
is what Haskell four was thinking. That these day laborers
were undocumented and they wouldn't risk going to police. He
thought they would dump the bags of May's remains and
(24:15):
be in the wind, guarantee you. He never thought they'd
be state's witnesses.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Oh, that's absolutely right, Nancy. He wants someone to do
his dirty work, and who better than someone that may
be afraid of the police themselves. And you're right, Lapd,
you really dropped the ball at least in terms of
the investigation at the outset, and you're talking to someone
who lives and works in the city of la But
fortunately those labors they did the right thing. They contacted
(24:43):
law enforcement. They call nine to one one, which really
makes no sense because that goes to HB dispatch and Sacramento,
which then reroutes the call back to LAPD. So whoever
gave him that advice was the wrong advice, but ultimately
they got it right. And who knows you're right, Nancy.
Maybe if they acted soon, May's parents would have been alive.
So this is the type of thing that it's not
(25:04):
a shoplifting case. It's not something minor. You're talking about
dead body parts.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
You got to act.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
If your LAPD detectives do.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Better, pronto, pronto again. Joining me, Tremaine Heho a long
time former friend of Haskell on the Fourth writer, director,
producer at hay Host Studios, at YouTube, Tremaine, it's not
just murder, And I really want you to dig deep
(25:34):
and tell me your impressions of Haskell contemporaneous with the
time that you need him, not now, because what you
saw then is what he's going to try and imitate
at trial.
Speaker 9 (25:48):
I don't.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
Yeah, if he's a lot can happen in eight years
and if he is guilty as sin, lock him up
and throw away the keep. But it is all again,
it's all Ad is such a terrible situation. I feel
bad for his folks who let me clear the air.
His folks were really nice, sweet, consistently, so.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I feel bad asking about him as a person. What
did he project? What kind of a person? I mean,
we're talking about body parts in a trash bag day
laborers seeing a belly button.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
I wouldn't have I wouldn't have guessed. And he doesn't
seem to be a criminal mastermind.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
That was that.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
Thank God for those day laborers who stood up for
them selves. And it's ridiculous that LAPD didn't take them serious.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
This is really horrible and again I'm I'm trying not
to think about it, but we don't know. If we
can't find the poor parents, it's it's just all bad.
But let me ask you this as a lawyer, are
you got a question?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You and Bella are in the business, the TV, the
entertainment industry, Tremaine. There has been a noticeable radio silence
on Haskell the Forest case, if you go on and
google him. Okay, if you do even that much less
and intensive investigation that we've done, there's practically nothing for
(27:18):
months on end. Could that be orchestrated by a powerful PR.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Machine, Well, that that would be actually nothing.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
That would actually be my question to you as an attorney,
what happens if there's a radio silence, if there's you're
not hearing about the case.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
What does that mean exact? And how long do these
cases take?
Speaker 10 (27:41):
Is is it going to be a long case or
is it going to be cut and dry? Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I guarantee you it's going to be a really really
protracted investigation and case because the forensics alone, tremaine he hoo,
are going to be oh gosh numbing. You've got at
least one body. We don't have a CEOD cause of
death because the body was dismembered. We don't know if
(28:07):
she was alive when she was dismembered. A lot has
to be explained to the jury, not only that this
is May's remains, but that we know, based on hopefully
deox survivo nucleic acid DNA or fingerprints or some other
genetic material that he Sam Haskell is the person that
(28:29):
killed her. That's going to be a labor intensive endeavor
for the medical examiner. But I guess let me just
rephrase my question, Tremaine Haho, how did he strike you?
What was his personality? That's what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
When I was working with him, he was funny and
really dry humor. But he did have a temper at times,
that's all about I'll say. But he never really blew
up on me. He'd be more of the type of
guy to get thrown out a cheesecake factory than you
made a crime like this. But again, this is this
is all bad. This is horrible, and I hope they
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find evidence in that.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Justice crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 15 (29:23):
The couple is married in twenty ten, and as they
welcome children, May's parents move in with the family to
help with childcare.
Speaker 16 (29:30):
Pascal's friends and co workers agree they had no idea
he was married with children. Haskell made no mention of
May or any of his three sons in the years
they worked with him. Friends that did get close enough
to Haskell to run into May say Haskell never stopped
to introduce her, much less greet.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Her to renowned clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, author of the
New Rules of Attachment and Stop Self Sabotage, Doctor Judy
Hoe Docter. Judy, thank you for being with us. What
does this mean? I mean when I look at the
gorgeous bell of snow and I think about all the
times Haskell four was with her, never mentioned his wife
(30:11):
and children hit on her, And now we know he had,
according to others their words, not mine, and Asian fetish.
How does that play into the alleged murder of his wife,
who is Asian? May Well, Nancy, there was definitely a
pattern here.
Speaker 17 (30:28):
There were other people who reported that they never knew
about his family, that he was married, didn't know who
may was, even if they did see her in passing
or even when they stopped in their house. And it's
interesting that he does have this focus on a specific
physical type. There's certain beliefs sometimes that people may hold
(30:49):
if they truly have what is termed an Asian fetish
about Asian women perhaps traditionally being more submissive, and some
people are more attracted to that as a value. There
are other reasons too, of course, Nancy. But I think
what we know is that this person is clearly two cited.
We're hearing reports that he has a temper issue. We've
(31:09):
seen reports in the news that May's past friends have
said that she's been thinking of leaving him, but she
can't because she's afraid that perhaps there will be repercussions
because he comes from such a powerful family, and she
doesn't want to lose custody of her sons. And I
just think that there was so much more beneath the
surface that he never showed anyone. He makes these social
(31:30):
media posts like he knows everything, and yet in his
family life. What kind of father was he? What kind
of husband was he? Did he actually threaten me that
she can't leave him because he might try to take
full custody of the children. There's so much that we
don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What is it main psychologically, you're the forensic neuro psychologist
and author that he, according to the state, murdered her,
possibly dismembering her before she was dead, and throw her
in a trash bag, having day laborers come to krt
off her remains, and when that failed, according to an
(32:07):
eye witness, he disposed of her body in a dumpster
with refuse.
Speaker 17 (32:12):
Well, Nancy, that shows a couple of things. One is
of course blatant disrespect that he would just murder her
and then dispose of her in such an egregious way.
But secondly, it doesn't seem like he's really truly thought
through the consequences. That first he was going to just
ask these day labors to get rid of these remains,
lied that they were rocks. Clearly, the day laborers knew
as soon as they picked up the bag that it
(32:34):
didn't feel like rocks because it was soft and soggy.
And then secondly the fact that then he thought he
would just dispose of it himself and get away with it. Clearly,
this is not a person who's truly a criminal mastermind
if he thought he could get away with all of
these actions. But I think that we saw that there
were some warning signs. Perhaps he was obsessed with violence
(32:54):
in his own movies and projects. He had weapons all
around the house to the point where neighbors were feeling
like it would be unsafe for their children to go
play in their house. So there was some kind of
fascination with brutal killings and violence. And it's just so
sad nancy that it ended up in this way, and
even more ridiculous, that he thought he could get away
with all of this by essentially hiring somebody, paying them
(33:18):
five hundred dollars to get rid of all of the evidence.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
And betting on the fact that they would never become
state's witness or go to police. Joining me now is
doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner Terran County. That's fort Worth,
never a lack of business, and he is the star
of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
(33:43):
Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, congratulations
on your new venture, your podcast, may Him in the Morgue.
Doctor Kendall Crown's, how could there be confusion on the
part of the medical examiner that they cannot tell the
cod cause of death and we don't know whether may
(34:06):
was dismembered while still alive.
Speaker 11 (34:09):
Okay, well for s thanks for the congratulations, fancy. But secondly,
the main thing is is all you have is a
torso you don't have a head, you don't have the extremities.
So the medical examiners are dealing with the fact that
they're looking for injuries that they made. They don't have
a complete body, so they don't know if she was
strangled or she was shot in the head or something
along those lines. Unless there's a direct injury to the
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torso that they can say, oh, that looks like a
stab wound. They're kind of left with not a complete body,
so they don't have complete information, so they're going to
wait and see if they can find any more body parts.
But in the meantime, they know she died. They know
she was dismembered, so she was murdered in some fashion.
They can look at the body, the torso itself and
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look for injuries that would show that she was still
living if she was dismembered while still alive, and that's
hemorrhage and the tissues around the dismembering sites. If you
see that, you know their heart was still beating when
they were cutting the limbs off in the head off.
And again, they don't have the whole body, so they're
kind of left with half answers, and that's why they're
(35:16):
still hesitant of giving an exact cause of death that
they know the manner of death is homicide.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Back to special Guest joining us Bella Snow Digital creator
model at YouTube. She's at Bella Snow Bella And all
the time that you knew Haskell the fourth, you were
never told he was married with three little boys, that
(35:43):
his wife was the one paying the mortgage while he
was living part time at his bat cave. When you
hear doctor Kendall Crowd's describing what happened to May, what
goes through your mind?
Speaker 13 (36:01):
What went through my mind is that could have been me.
Me and Sam didn't officially date, but we do dayly
a few years and we spent a lot of pun
together during the same time that he knew May and
he married May, and nobody know that he was married
or have kids. My makeup artists or everybody that worked
(36:24):
in the production, nobody knew. We never saw such a
big family. We never seen a wedding photo. We never
have kids photo. He posts a lot of social media,
but he'd never posts any of his family that. We
never seen any of Sam wedding photo, so we never knew.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
That's really interesting, Bella Snow that not only did you
not know about May, but he never showed photos of
his three boys. Nothing.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
No, we never saw a photo of him in like
a family setting. I remember he showed me photo of May.
But he showed me a photo of May because he
does have a lot of different female girls in his
podject and he would ask me about what my opinion
is during his casting and like, oh, what do you
(37:15):
think about this girl? And like, oh, she's pretty, and
he just mentioned, oh, she's just a model, until now
that I find out that May was actually his wife
when he showed me pictures.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So he asks you, the woman that he's hitting on,
what you think of his wife's looks without divulging at
his wife.
Speaker 13 (37:36):
Yes, he just mentioned, oh, that's just another model, because
he does picture take picture a lot of different female models.
Because at that moment we was working he was also
working on casting of who's his dream character is for
this movie he's trying to make. And he always asked
me what do you think this person? What do you
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think of this person? And make us a him up
and he said, oh, it's just another model. He never
mentioned May was actually his wife until I find out
now that was married to May.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I guess that's the moment you're never going to forget.
When he asked you to pass judgment on his wife, Bella.
You were there to observe the people that he cast
did He cast primarily Asian women.
Speaker 13 (38:26):
Most of the movie he make is based on like
he kind of wanted to make like a live action
of an Asian movie, Asian college high school. So you
do have a lot of Asian casting also called Asian.
But he does have his dream team. It does flirt
with a lot of Asian girls. I do have a
(38:48):
lot of Asian friends that we do projects together, and like, oh,
she's pretty, she's pretty, but she never he never flirt
with anybody else in front of me.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Would you say that you had a dating relationship with him?
Speaker 13 (39:00):
I did it so back then. It's always people know
that it's oh it's Bella and Sam because we spend
a lot of time together. We have a lot of
late night dinner after he got back to work, and yeah,
we just spend time like normal dating couple do would.
And I would never know that he was married because
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it was never came up or he always lived by himself.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Bella, I'm just looking at you and you're so particular,
You're so beautiful, and I just thank god that you
never angered him to the extent that you ended up
in a trash bag and I want to thank you
for joining us, Bella.
Speaker 13 (39:43):
Thank you for having me. It did him to my
head many times that that could have been me. I
could have been that transferl in that body back and
become sick o'cock me. That could have been me.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Even though the media has gone radio silent on the
Haskell four investigation, the state is still building their case.
If you know or think you know anything about the
death of may or her parents, please dale eight hundred
two two two eight four seven seven repeat eight hundred
(40:20):
two two two tips. Thank you to our guests for
being with us. Needsy Grace signing off, good night friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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