April 23, 2025 • 41 mins
Jaclyn Diiorio, 26, a hairstylist, and her police officer boyfriend broke up after dating for nearly a year.
The relationship had been contentious, with both filing protective orders. After the breakup, Diiorio began dating again and turned to Tinder.
During conversations with a match, Diiorio said she wanted her ex dead and asked if he could carry it out, noting that her ex was a Philadelphia police officer.
The Tinder date was a police informant and contacted county prosecutors. Detectives notified Philadelphia police, who then informed the officer and identified him as the target. The officer told investigators he met Diiorio when she cut his hair.
Authorities arrested Diiorio in Gloucester Township, New Jersey, after the informant reported that she offered him $12,000 to kill her ex and his 19-year-old daughter.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Greg Morse - of Morse Legal; Current CJA Counsel (Southern District of Florida); Former West Palm Beach Public Defender’s Office; Author: “The Untested”
- Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;" X: @TrialDoc
- John Pizzuro - Former New Jersey State Police Investigator, Currently the CEO of RAVEN, an organization focused on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking
- Baron Li - Shot nine times by teenage hitmen hired by his ex-wife: Now, he channels his second chance at life into powerful advocacy for father’s rights and foster care. Socials: FB/Insta/TikTok @baronbli.ckmd YT: @RealAsian50Cent,
- Rodrigo Torrejón - Crime and Courts Reporter at The Philadelphia Inquirer; X/Twitter: @rodrigotorrejon, Instagram: @rodtorrejon
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Did a scorned hairstylist hire a hit man on Tender
of all places to brutally assassinate her ex boyfriend and,
wait for it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
His teen daughter?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This according to cops. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
A New Jersey woman is accused of attempting to hire
a hitman off popular dating app Tender.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Could this be?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Did the scorned hairstylist want revenge so badly she wanted
to assassinate her ex boyfriend and his teen daughter? How
did the teen daughter get roped into this? You know,
I've got an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But joining me in addition
to an all star panel is a very special guest.
(01:00):
This is a man, a former husband, a father, who
endured a hit shot nine times when his ex wife
wanted to gain control of money that was meant to
raise their son. Joining me, Baron Lee, shot nine times,
(01:24):
all ordered by your wife. Now, I've always been amazed, Baron.
If I may call you that, I feel like I
know you. We've discussed your case. I've talked to you
and thought about you so many times since the incident.
What went through your mind as you were lying there?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Process all of the facts that here you were just
out in the parking lot, minding your own business. And
why you, of all people, why were you assailed by
unknown guys and shot nine times?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What went through your mind?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I realized diet at gaining moment, and then I was wondering,
you know who? Actually, at the time I knew who
who was ordering a hit on me. I just didn't
know who the shooter was at the time.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, you were shot point blank. I will never
forget it. All in a bid by your ex wife
to gain control of that money set aside to help
raise your son. How has your son reacted to what
happened to you?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, my son is non mobile, nonverbal, so fortunately he
doesn't have a trauma to deal with like other kids
would have had to, so he has no idea what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know what, Thank goodness that this did not weigh
on his mind on top of everything else, and that
was a considerable amount of money to help raise him
to secure his future, which he is going to need.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why did she do it? Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
H You know, I asked myself that every single day,
I just say appears to it is what comes down to.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Guy's a guy that lived through a similar hit. But
to the case in chief, baron, don't move. I want
your take on this. First of all, take a listen.
They were together for approximately a year and there was
clearly problems in the relationship.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
During the detention here in Camden County, Assistant Prosecutor David
Deets outlined a screenshot of a text message where Diorio
negotiates the price for the hit. Another text message has
the defendant discussing a prior attempt to hire someone to
kill her. Ex recorded conversation between Diorio and the informant
(03:35):
was also submitted.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That from our friends at CBS News three, joining me
as I said an all star panel straight out to
Rodrigo terrehone Crime and Course reporter at the Philly Inquirer, Rodriguo,
thank you for being with us. How did this whole
thing start? It's my understanding that the would be killer
is a scorned hairstylist, and we heard Elliot the get
(03:59):
Go say there were problems in the relationship, But Rodrigue,
their problems in every relationship. My husband as I like
to say my current husband and I never had an
argument until we had the twins, and then we immediately
started arguing about how they would be raised. Practically every decision,
what time to go to bed, how many bottles would
you go in?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The bottle? You name it? Okay, and that goes on today.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's our sole source of argument, what is best for
our children.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So, yes, every relationship has ups and downs, but.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Really, prosecutors say that the relationship, like the Comic County
prosecutor mentioned earlier, between Jacqueline the Orio and Officer o'hanlan,
started around a year ago and quickly turned pretty volatile.
You know, there was a few months that seemed like
the relationship was going and around August there was an
(04:54):
allegation of restraining order that was filed by the officer
against the So things turns our relatively quickly. The next month,
the officer reported that his house was damaged by a
Molotov cocktail that was thrown at it. There has not
been any sort of clear link between the extra sold on.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just a second, Tetahan, you're putting the cart before the horse.
I got to get into it, Okay, I know about
the Molotov I know about the beginning of the relationship,
but what I don't know about is the intricacies of
that relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
What went wrong? Why did they break up? Why couldn't
she just move on?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
As my grandmother said, meant no offense to you, of course, Rodrigo,
that men are like buses. Anyone will come along every
fifteen minutes. So why does she fixate so much on
the boyfriend to the extent she wanted him dead and
wanted his teen daughter dead too. Did that come about, Rodrigo?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah, so that's unclear. Still, like I said, there was
a few months where everything seemed to be going smoothly,
and from one month to another there was some sort
of volatility between them, some sort of intention to say
the least, and there was a restraining order filed by
the officer against the oreo, and the attorney for the
oreo later said that there was also a restreating order
(06:25):
that she filed against.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Him that was later withdrawn.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So there's straight out to Greg Moores following up on
what Rodrigo Tara Han just said. Greg Moore's high profile
lawyer joining us a Morse legal currently counsel.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
To the SEI. A. Well, you've got.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Your hands full, Greg, dueling tros down'd you just love that?
And of course I'm being sarcastic when a real victim
comes into court for a temporary restraining order and what
is the other one.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
To race back in to go? Uhh, I'm not a fault.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's them all of this going on. When I see
dueling restraining orders, that's a bad sign. It's not going
to get any better, Greg Morse, Dueling.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Tros are a defense lawyer's dream. It means both people
are claiming to be victims, both people are claiming to
be the abuser. It shows a history of back and forth.
So this is a volatile relationship from both folks in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You know, my guess is they There is no evidence
that the victim was volatile.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The victim was a cop, by the way. But that said, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Not the one that ordered a hit according to police,
he's not the one that went on Tender, a dating
site if you want to.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Call it that. That's a hookup site, that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that said, he didn't go on Tender and pretend
he was looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A date and goes, oh, by the way, can you
meet me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
At wah Wah's Grocery so I can pay you to
shoot my ex. That wasn't him, that's her Moores, So
don't tune up.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
First thing, I ask you about.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Tros and you try to say it's the victim's fault.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Does it never end with you?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
No, it's not that they're both victims. They both had tros,
and people withdraw them all the time because.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
They get back together and then they have them all
to would the victim?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Could you just explain what maybe you know? Let me
direct you to Webster's Dictionary. And I don't mean online,
you need.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The hard copy. What do you think victim means? How
is she a victim? He goes to get a tro
and she's like, race, this is to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm first, I'm first judged. Call me first. How is
she the victim? He broke up with her.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And she could stand it in order to hint to
kill him.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Have you ever been to a murder scene? Have you
smelled and coagulated blood? Because I have, and I hope
I never do again. That's what she wanted.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
I've been to quite a few and have gotten plenty
of not guilty. The murder cases we have in this case.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
How you managed to merge a dead body with you
getting a not guilty. Excuse me, Jackie, could you toot
his horn for him? No, he's doing that himself. You
are asking you about how he's the thing she wanted
him dead on the ground with his team dead.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Nancy, you have a cl on their own for four days,
creating this story. Potentially the defense has something to work
with here. When have you ever heard of a CI
doing their own kind of case on Tinder and then
all of a sudden going to the police four days later.
That creates opportunities?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, Well, you know I got a wonderful answer for you. Okay,
and her name as Dahlia Dippolito. Are you actually asking
me how does a CI confidential? You know, I'm not
impressed by you throwing around cop talk. Everybody that's watching
(10:12):
crime stories knows CI is a confidential informant. But thank
you for trying. Okay, Next, what are you going to
throw a Latin phrase at me that said.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You're looking at Are you usual.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For a CI to go online to traffic killer? Because
it's not is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
No, but it doesn't seem like from the police report
that the police were involved in this the first four days.
So what they have a meeting in a god in.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Heaven, they did get involved.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, put your feet to the fire, Morse, because you
said what CI, which is an arm of LA law
enforcement goes online to traffic killer?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Who would do that? Hey? Listen to this? Do you
(11:24):
know how many times I've watched that?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And there's a longer version two, which I will absolutely play. Okay,
Dahlia Dippolito hires a hitman to murder her husband, and
as in this case with the Molotov cocktail that Rodrigo
Tetahan was telling us about and prior attempts, it wasn't
her first try.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
According to Ellie, she tried to poison her husband in
a Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm not even going to mention that she was a hooker, okay,
because that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Before she got married and he took her away from
all that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Anyway, they stinger, Why did they stinger because they had
l E law enforcement as the would be assassin. Same
thing as here, and Morrise, you're acting like you've never
heard anything like it, Like it's a big entrapment to
John Pizzorro, former in New Jersey State Police investigator twenty
(12:25):
five years.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know there's a lot going down in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Homicide, organized crime, cartels, commander of the Internet, crimes against children,
It goes on and on. Currently, CEO of RAVEN focused
on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
John, you've certainly seen it all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But did you happen to hear Greg Morris, who is
a veteran defense attorney, as he so timidly put forth,
I've won a lot of cases, he says, did.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You hear him say?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
How odd it is for elie law enforcement, an agent
a CI to be part of a sting. I mean,
who is this woman going to hire to kill her
ex ann? Will you priest a virgin? No, somebody that
acts like a hitman.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Yeah, we use them all the time. I mean informants.
And by the way, I love the entrapment argument because
that's the first thing defense counsel does, entrapment. But the
reality is, I can't tell you how many times people
actually came up to us, you know, in an undercover capacity,
and to hire a hit person. I mean, the only
difference between years ago today is that there's apps to
(13:36):
do it. Where you don't have to go to the
Yellow Pages. Is a little easier just to ask someone
to do something.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Jacqueline Diorio is a twenty six year old New Jersey
woman accused of attempting to murder her cop ex boyfriend
by hiring a hit man off Tinder.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We know these two love birds.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Met when the defendant, the suspect, the hairstylist, was actually
doing the victim's hair.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's how they met. Let's see what more we know. Listen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Jacqueline Diorio, twenty six, lives in run A Meede, New Jersey,
making her living as a barber. She hits it off
with one of her clients, a police officer twice her age.
They began dating. Their relationship lasts just over a year,
but not without problems. Problems so bad that Diorio asked
for and got a restraining order put in place. She
(14:33):
later dropped the complaint. After the breakup, Diorio started looking
at dating apps, specifically Tender. A match is made and
Diorio makes plans to meet her new friend for the
first time at a wall wall. They exchange numbers and
communicate through text messages and phone calls.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay to you John Pizzorro, former New Jersey State Police
twenty five years Wow, okay, Pisorro. I've heard of first dates,
and I always advise people when you meet online you
should meet somewhere public.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But wah waws. That should have been a tip off
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
My sister and Philly used to live in a building
on top at the bottom of the building.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was in grad towers at the Wharton School. There
was a wah wah.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean, that's not really a romantic setting for your
first date, is it?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Was that a tip off? I mean, wahwas Well, it.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
Is Tinder, Nancy, so I mean, you know, and there
is a lot of wildwaws in New Jersey, so I
guess the old Starbucks is out these days, you know too.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz now joining us, and she's been chomping
at the bit hearing all of this. She's a forensic
psychologist and she specializes in capital mitigation and victim advocacy,
and you can find her at panthermitigation dot com. She's
the author of Criminal Behavior and the one I like
the best where law and psychology Intersecty Schwartz, I mean,
(16:00):
this could be a total case study for you, because,
for instance, what led up, what fueled the hatred and
this hairstylist heart that she wanted not only her boyfriend
for Pete's saint.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They're not even married.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
They don't even have to divide property, they don't have
to fight over custody, they don't have to decide who
gets the pots and pans and who gets the crock pot,
none of that. But it's so contentious she wants him
dead and not just thinking, doctor Sherry, oh, I could
(16:37):
just kill him, not that actually going online in hiring
someone to commit double murder and un at teen girl,
a little girl, what is that, Doctor Sherry.
Speaker 10 (16:52):
It's pure unadulterated hatred, fueled by the fact that it
seems like he broke up with her. The relationship was volatile,
he didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore,
and it sounds like she probably arrived at the conclusion
that if I can't.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Have you, nobody will.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
I don't understand why his teenage daughter had to be
involved in that, unless she thought it was possible the
teenage daughter could later identify that she would be the
one trying to have him murdered. But this is somebody
who has no regard for human life.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Guys, what happens?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They start up a romantic relationship, it goes sour, they
break up, She files for Tiroro and then almost immediately
drops it. What was that about? Was that a way
to play the system? But it progresses.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Listen During the Oreo's text conversation with her tender date,
she reveals she's not really looking for love, but rather
a hitman and imp who was working.
Speaker 11 (17:57):
With a longer and say they recently met a female
wanted beating at Tinder. The female and entered by herself
to the informants d well, which was later identified as
the defendants tender name. The defending the informant then met
at a lawa and running meat. Subsequently, defendant any informant
exchange the numbrous text messages and phone calls.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
During these text.
Speaker 11 (18:19):
Messages and phone call conversations, that's defendant and totally informant
that she wanted.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Her to ex boyfriend kill.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm trying to figure out when love turns into hate,
and when hate turns in to the desire for murder,
and when that desire leads you to commit and act.
Now to Greg Morris joining me, who has won a
lot of cases, is named partner at Morse Legal and
also current counsel to the CIA Greg and an attempt case,
(18:51):
an attempted murder or an attempted anything, there are very
often conspiracy charges.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
A conspiracy cannot.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Be, as you and I have argued in court many times,
unless you have an overt act. I could sit around
all day and think, Oh, I want to kill Greg
Morris so bad.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
How would I do it? What would I do?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's just wishful thinking, that's daydreaming talking about it doesn't
rise to conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
But you must have.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
An overt ov ert act in order to prove your case.
And here that overt act is going on tender, meeting
someone but still not enough, but then persuading him to
do a hit. There's your overt act right there. In
a conspiracy charge.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Well, there is an overt act there. However, again, those
first four days, when she's interacting with this guy on
tender and they're talking, that leaves a lot of room
for argument for the defense, just like they seem to
be indicating. It's not something that and you know this
God becomes a CI after the four days, not before,
(20:06):
and that creates opportunity. You also can argue the five
hundred dollars it's no word ask although paying for a
Hittman on layaway as odd, but that seems to be
what the prosecution is alleging here.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, Greg Morris, when you say that leaves a
lot of wiggle room.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Can we just get real about what you're arguing.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I believe trying to read the tea leaves of what
you just said that you're trying to argue that it
was the informant's idea that we can somehow claim entrapment.
In other words, she would never have come up with
a plot to murder her ex and his team daughter
but for the CI luring her into it. That's what
(20:45):
entrapment means. I would never have done this except the
cops planned it. They lured me in, and now they're
prosecuting me.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I would never have done this on my own. That
is what entrapment is.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Are you trying to blame the CI the confidential informant?
Speaker 8 (20:59):
Well, the defense has to do something in this case,
and like it out there, there was a.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Little storing there. When you're trying to come up with the.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Argument, what listen, this is you have four days of
a civilian being on their own, and then they go
to the police and.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Say, hey, this lady wants to.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Kill her husband.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Who knows what that guy's trying to work off in
his past or why he presented himself to the police
to be used.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
But as far as all accounts, Nancy, this guy was
a civilian like you and I for four dates.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
He packaged this and then brought it over to the
law enforcement. So yeah, I would live and die in
those four or eight days as a defense lawyer.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And you know, you got a little problem, Greg Morris,
you got a little tiny eight C and C fly
in the ointment. Here's the problem, Rodrigo Tetrahan. Isn't it
true that the defendant actually wrote texts to the CI
(21:58):
that prove what she wants. It's not just his word
against hers. She wrote texts.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
They're clearly from her phone about the hit.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yes, the prosecutors at the last hearing did read back
text messages between the CI and the Oreo where Diorio
allegedly goes over.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Proof.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
She asked for proof because, in her own words, she
said that she had been sent fake pictures before, which
alludes to prior attempts to carry out this hit.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
She gives me, I just choked, just a tiny bit
white white. Hold on, Can I see Greg Morris right now?
As Rodrigo? Okay, could you repeat that, Rodrigo? What you
just said? She said what in her text to the
confidential informant.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Prosecutors read text between the CI and Diorio where she
mentions that she needs hard proof for this hit that
she wants carried out and alludes to having been sent
fake pictures in a prior attempt. This is, of course
through text messages that were read out in court at
the detention hearing two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Out that's got to hurt Morse, That really has to
hurt She's sending him text describe me how a previous
hit man failed her and burned her by sending her
fake photos.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Of the hit.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Well, people become defendants because they're not that bright. However,
people text a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
It doesn't mean they're going to act on it.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
In the news right now is NFL Hall of.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Famer Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
He have some negative texts in the lawsuit against him,
and he wasn't going to he said, I wasn't going
to joke anybody. So people text a lot of things, you.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Know, so you have to look at that and try
to turn that around as a bluster and just talking.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
A woman from New Jersey attempted to hire a hitman
off Tinder to kill both her cop ex boyfriend and
his nineteen year old daughter. Were just twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Joining me in All Star panel.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
We've been going back and forth with Greg Morse about
his theory that it's all the CI Confidential Informant's fault,
that this woman hair stylist, scorned lover really would never
have ordered a hit on her boyfriend if not for
the CI alluring her into it. But those text messages
(24:23):
that she sent the CI that she met at wahwaz
on a date. When he gets so, she goes, guess what,
I don't want a date. I want to hit man.
How about you? Those text messages are damning. And not
only are they damning, they make.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
A great identification. Listen the debate.
Speaker 11 (24:40):
Dentally informant that her ex boyfriend is a Philadelphia police officer.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
And provided his need.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
The defendon also provide.
Speaker 11 (24:47):
The informant the telephone number of the police officer's teenage daughter,
the informant dead men with detected Durham, but the Candy
County Proster's Office Major Crimes Unit and the informant provided
Detective Durham with a sure of the defendant from her
tender profile. The informant also provided the Detective Durnam of
the defendants.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Teleorm Wow, Rodrigo terrejan joining us from Crime and Courts
reporting at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Rodrigo again, thank you for
being with us. So she didn't even use a burner phone.
She used her own phone to text with who she
thought was a CI, therefore giving up her identity.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Unless she wants to try to claim.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Somebody else had her phone or somehow impersonating her, she
used her own phone, Rodrigo.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. Prosecutors said that the
phone number and a photo of the Oreo were both
shown to the officer that she had allegedly tried to
have killed through this hitmap, and he confirmed both that
it was her in the photo and that that was
the number that they had used to communicate. So this,
according to what prosecutors have dug up, was her own
(26:00):
phone number.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, it gets worse for her.
Speaker 11 (26:02):
Listen if it was interviewed and told the detective Deuram
that the defendant was adamant about killing the victim. Informant
stated they which they spoke about money, and that the
defender stated, you were willing to pay twelve.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 11 (26:15):
During the conversations, defendant also told the informant that she
wanted the victim's teenage.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Daughter killed as well.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The defendant told.
Speaker 11 (26:23):
The informant she could pay five hundred dollars a front
and the rest being the installments.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US forensic psychologist Doctor Sherry. The
defendant the hairstylist, the scorn hairstylist reiterated over and.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Over she was sure she wanted the hit to.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Go down, adamant, adamant, insistent that it happens, and again,
I must compare it to the Dahlia Dippolito, Okays, where
she says that I believe she's five thousand percent sure
she wants her husband dead, and it's all caught on tape.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Of course, listen now and one's done.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
You know, not change your money.
Speaker 12 (27:08):
But if you change your money, no, no, like like well,
five thousand to five thousand percent sure, that's for our
friends at ABC twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What does that mean, Sherry Schwartz, I mean the CI
gives the defendant opportunity to turn back, opportunity to go.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You know what, this is crazy talk.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I don't want to do this, but instead they are adamant.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
They are hell bent on murder.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
That's that's exactly what it is. That she wanted the
job done. She was willing to pay for it. She did,
in fact, put a down payment on it. And that
is an indication that you are serious and you want
this done. And like it was previously mentioned, this is
somebody who, by her own admission, made a prior attempt
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and was duped according to her. So this is somebody
who's had some time to think about it and is
one that she wants this done.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Joining us is a survivor and that doesn't begin to
describe what he went through.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Baron Lee is with us. He was shot point.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Blank range, shot nine times by teens hired by his
wife to murder him. As I recall, you were going
to your car and they swarmed you. You were shot
nine times and lived all over money that was meant
(28:42):
that was earmarked to raise their disabled son, she wanted
that money.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
At any point when you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Two were having a contentious split, did you ever get
the sense that she would want you dead?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah? I actually had gone through a couple incidents where
she tried to run me over with the vehicle, and
so when I was shot, I already knew it was
her who was behind it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But when you say that you knew she was behind it,
let me refine my question. When did you get a
sense or an inkling.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That she wanted you dead? As you were lying there.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
On the pavement bleeding out, you knew at that moment
that she was.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Behind the hit.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You weren't wronged, you weren't sex molested. You know, it
wasn't a car jag, nothing like that. This was obviously
a hit on you specifically, and you knew then as
you were bleeding out who did it. But leading up
to that, was there a moment where you were actually
afraid or thought, you know, she wants me dead?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah? I mean, like I said, we had a five
year you know, contention of custody with my son, and
during that time she had attempted to run me over
twice during child exchanges. So you know, for the first
time I you know, just chucked it off that first
a just being angry. When she tried to run me
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over the second time, I realized that definitely she wanted
I guess this.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Case is bringing back a lot of bad memories because
according to reports, this is not Diorio's first attempt. We've
got the Molotov cocktail incident that many attribute to her
that has not been proven in a court of law,
and she's innocent until proven guilty. Then we have her
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telling the CI don't burn me. I've been burned before
with fakes, with lies by hitman. In your case, there
were multiple attempts as well. Did you feel invincible? Did
you believe you would never be killed?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
No, of course not. But you know, this woman sounds
just like my ex wife. Looks like she's not going
to stop until she can get the job done. Even
after my ex wife peg gott and she found out
that I survived, she was actually working with the teenagers
to have them come back for a second attempt. So
I'm sure this woman has the same kind of mindset
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that you know. If left to her devices, she was
going to get this job done one way or another.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
During the recording conversations, Wells previous conversation with the informative
defendant discusses her desire to have teenage daughter of her
ex boyfriend killed first.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
While then followed by the victim of the boyfriend.
Speaker 11 (31:32):
The reason that the defendant gave is the order of
killings was that she wanted to kill the victim's teenage
daughter because the killing the police officer would draw too
much screwtiny from law enforce and well not as much
lawmfors and resources would be dedicated to investigating the den
an officer's daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What did I just hear that incorrectly?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
To Rodrigo Tetrjane joining us from Philadelphia, Inquirer Rodrigo, that's
why she wanted the.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Teen daughter killed.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
At first, when I started investigating the case, I thought
it was because she was jealous of attention or love
given to the teen daughter.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It wasn't that at Oh, this woman might as well
be a lizard. Her blood is cold. Explain why she
wanted the daughter killed first?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Sure so, according to what prosecutors said, and you heard
it right there, she was very methodical about the order
in which she wanted these two people killed. She knew,
according to prosecutors, that the assassination of a police officer
would bring unwanted attention, so she made it very clear,
according to prosecutors, that she wanted the daughter killed first,
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the teen daughter killed first, and then the Philadelphia police
officer to mitigate the attention that would be focused in
on these hits.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Amazing the way she planned this out, Doctor Sherry Schwartz.
That is some cold blood, methodical planning right there. Reasoning
as to why she wanted the girl killed first.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's what she says.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
I actually think there's some a darker motive for why
she wanted the daughter killed first. I think that she
was looking to hurt her ex boyfriend and she wanted
him to suffer before she ultimately had him murdered.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, to increase the suffering of the boyfriend. How is
it again, doctor Sherry. I can understand all the hatred
that must brew, must percolate and boil over and say
a long term marriage. But here there was no property division,
There was no custody argument, no pots and pans, no
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dog to argue, nothing. How could you develop such intense
hatred and just a brief dating relationship.
Speaker 10 (33:50):
I mean, this is somebody who maybe came to the
relationship with that level of hatred, it's hard to say.
There isn't anything specific that I saw in researching the
case that cites a reason that he did something to
her that maybe would cause her to have such bitter
antipathy toward him. But sometimes people come as they are,
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and that may be a reason that the relationship didn't
work out.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
The most concerning aspect of the facts that this case,
involving the fact that he disappears not to be an
isolated attempt by the defendant.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
To contract someone to kill the victim.
Speaker 11 (34:25):
As evidence, an escort, which is a text message screenshot between.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
The defendant and the informative.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Defend states as she had people.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Looking her in the eye and lie before, and how
is she going to get proved?
Speaker 11 (34:38):
She also says that fake pictures could be said to her,
and how is she going to believe the defendant that
the victim was in fact dead, and how she said
someone who previously said her fake pictures.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Before Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Jennifer Emmy, a well known lawyer defending animal rights, now
has to defend herself against allegations she ordered to hit
on her ex husband's new girlfriend after the couple's nasty divorce.
A hand at Emmy's nonprofit ranch went to the police.
Well the recording of Emmy asking if he knew anyone
who could take care of her ex's much younger new girlfriend,
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during which she said, no one will miss her. If
someone could help me get rid of her.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Amazing in the sense that when you go to the
snakehouse at the zoo you look at the snakes through
a thick glass wall, or looking at a tarantula in
a box. Amazing in that sense that not only according
to the state, of course, Dioryo.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Is innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
According to the state, she wanted not only her boyfriend
ex boyfriend, but his teen daughter dead. Two In the
case of attorney Jennifer Emmy, she wanted the girlfriend of
her ex murdered. That's a whole different psychopathy. And in
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this case, Greg Morris, you've got both, according to prosecution.
Now a great defense attorney like you may be able
to convince the jury.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Oh this was all just talk. She didn't mean it,
she didn't really want it to happen, But we do
have her.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
According to the prosecutors, handing over a down payment of
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Dollars at Dollar General. She picks the places.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right where you know there's going to be surveillance video
the handover is it Dollar General? And wawas they're like
Vegas for Pete's say they're covered and oh my goodness,
yeah they're over in security video. I guess you didn't
think that part through. But they desire to have not
(37:06):
only your object of hatred murdered, but then an innocent
person who's getting dragged into it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm sure you could probably argue to a jury's all
just talk. She didn't really want it to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
She didn't know what she was saying. Don't prosecute her,
don't send her to jail. I can hear it right now.
But that's a whole another layer of evil. You don't
just want your hate object. Did you want people around them?
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Did?
Speaker 13 (37:34):
Well?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
I think you're right, and what we've said before, it
was probably to harm the ex boy friend to see
his daughter killed first, and then you know he has
to suffer that.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
But you also, you know you have a situation here
where folks what they think in their head, it's going
to be like when they pull a trigger or in
this case, try to hire someone to kill someone.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
The reality though of that and how that plays out
is totally different, as we see in all these cases,
whether it's dip Alito, whether it's the.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Oreo, They're on surveillance cameras, they have phones registered in
their name.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
These are folks that aren't making the smartest choices, right, So,
but I also think that.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
That doesn't make the victim any less dead.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Morse, Well, there's nobody dead here, and maybe it was
because she was only was it allows of PAM that
was found in her car. She's charged with that also
drug count so and she also offered five hundred.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Dollars please put him hit. Actually trying to argue at
all that they reason.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The illegal use of drugs is somehow a defense as
opposed to an additional felony charge. We all know all
the legal that voluntary use of drugs are alcoholism ever
a defense?
Speaker 7 (39:01):
No, no, no, But it doesn't mean it can't lead
to some break with reality or there's some impact on her.
She was acting weird. Anyone that's had a loved one
who's been under a lot of anesthesia knows when you
come out of it sometimes you're going to have some
mental issues. You're going to see the world differently, You're
going to see the world wrong. Maybe she had an
impact on that because.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Somehow comparing this and when I videoed the twins after
they had the Wistar teeth cut out.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
No, I mean it never ends with you. You're actually
giving me a headache right now. Well, medic medication, okay, medication,
Medication's mind that Rodrigo Tetahan joining us from Philadelphia. Inquirer.
Where does the case stand now? What's happening?
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Sure, so there is a next hearing schedule for middle
of June. Right now, do Rio is in custody without bails,
so she's basically in jail until her next court hearing.
I've attempted to reach the officer that is allegedly the
target of this hit attempt have been unable to reach
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him or his family. And that's really where it stands.
Speaker 11 (40:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
The detention hearing was basically to figure out if she
would be released because she has no prior criminal record.
Of course, the judge sided with the prosecutor's office and
said we're going to go give no bail and she's
going to be in custody until her next year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
If you know, or think you know anything about the
alleged attempt on the officer's life or he has daughter's life.
The case is still being built by the state eight
five six two two five five one two seven repeat
eight five six two two, five five to one to seven.
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Now we remember an American hero police officer, Christopher Kilcullen EGENPD, Oregon,
shot and killed in a line of duty twelve years
with law enforcement, leaving me hein widow Christie, daughters Sydney
and Katie Anne. American hero officer Jay Christopher kill Cohen
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Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Did a scorned hairstylist hire a hit man on Tender
of all places to brutally assassinate her ex boyfriend and,
wait for it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
His teen daughter?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This according to cops. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
A New Jersey woman is accused of attempting to hire
a hitman off popular dating app Tender.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Could this be?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Did the scorned hairstylist want revenge so badly she wanted
to assassinate her ex boyfriend and his teen daughter? How
did the teen daughter get roped into this? You know,
I've got an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But joining me in addition
to an all star panel is a very special guest.
(01:00):
This is a man, a former husband, a father, who
endured a hit shot nine times when his ex wife
wanted to gain control of money that was meant to
raise their son. Joining me, Baron Lee, shot nine times,
(01:24):
all ordered by your wife. Now, I've always been amazed, Baron.
If I may call you that, I feel like I
know you. We've discussed your case. I've talked to you
and thought about you so many times since the incident.
What went through your mind as you were lying there?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Process all of the facts that here you were just
out in the parking lot, minding your own business. And
why you, of all people, why were you assailed by
unknown guys and shot nine times?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What went through your mind?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I realized diet at gaining moment, and then I was wondering,
you know who? Actually, at the time I knew who
who was ordering a hit on me. I just didn't
know who the shooter was at the time.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, you were shot point blank. I will never
forget it. All in a bid by your ex wife
to gain control of that money set aside to help
raise your son. How has your son reacted to what
happened to you?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, my son is non mobile, nonverbal, so fortunately he
doesn't have a trauma to deal with like other kids
would have had to, so he has no idea what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know what, Thank goodness that this did not weigh
on his mind on top of everything else, and that
was a considerable amount of money to help raise him
to secure his future, which he is going to need.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why did she do it? Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
H You know, I asked myself that every single day,
I just say appears to it is what comes down to.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Guy's a guy that lived through a similar hit. But
to the case in chief, baron, don't move. I want
your take on this. First of all, take a listen.
They were together for approximately a year and there was
clearly problems in the relationship.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
During the detention here in Camden County, Assistant Prosecutor David
Deets outlined a screenshot of a text message where Diorio
negotiates the price for the hit. Another text message has
the defendant discussing a prior attempt to hire someone to
kill her. Ex recorded conversation between Diorio and the informant
(03:35):
was also submitted.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That from our friends at CBS News three, joining me
as I said an all star panel straight out to
Rodrigo terrehone Crime and Course reporter at the Philly Inquirer, Rodriguo,
thank you for being with us. How did this whole
thing start? It's my understanding that the would be killer
is a scorned hairstylist, and we heard Elliot the get
(03:59):
Go say there were problems in the relationship, But Rodrigue,
their problems in every relationship. My husband as I like
to say my current husband and I never had an
argument until we had the twins, and then we immediately
started arguing about how they would be raised. Practically every decision,
what time to go to bed, how many bottles would
you go in?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The bottle? You name it? Okay, and that goes on today.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's our sole source of argument, what is best for
our children.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So, yes, every relationship has ups and downs, but.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Really, prosecutors say that the relationship, like the Comic County
prosecutor mentioned earlier, between Jacqueline the Orio and Officer o'hanlan,
started around a year ago and quickly turned pretty volatile.
You know, there was a few months that seemed like
the relationship was going and around August there was an
(04:54):
allegation of restraining order that was filed by the officer
against the So things turns our relatively quickly. The next month,
the officer reported that his house was damaged by a
Molotov cocktail that was thrown at it. There has not
been any sort of clear link between the extra sold on.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just a second, Tetahan, you're putting the cart before the horse.
I got to get into it, Okay, I know about
the Molotov I know about the beginning of the relationship,
but what I don't know about is the intricacies of
that relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
What went wrong? Why did they break up? Why couldn't
she just move on?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
As my grandmother said, meant no offense to you, of course, Rodrigo,
that men are like buses. Anyone will come along every
fifteen minutes. So why does she fixate so much on
the boyfriend to the extent she wanted him dead and
wanted his teen daughter dead too. Did that come about, Rodrigo?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah, so that's unclear. Still, like I said, there was
a few months where everything seemed to be going smoothly,
and from one month to another there was some sort
of volatility between them, some sort of intention to say
the least, and there was a restraining order filed by
the officer against the oreo, and the attorney for the
oreo later said that there was also a restreating order
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that she filed against.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Him that was later withdrawn.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So there's straight out to Greg Moores following up on
what Rodrigo Tara Han just said. Greg Moore's high profile
lawyer joining us a Morse legal currently counsel.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
To the SEI. A. Well, you've got.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Your hands full, Greg, dueling tros down'd you just love that?
And of course I'm being sarcastic when a real victim
comes into court for a temporary restraining order and what
is the other one.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
To race back in to go? Uhh, I'm not a fault.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's them all of this going on. When I see
dueling restraining orders, that's a bad sign. It's not going
to get any better, Greg Morse, Dueling.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Tros are a defense lawyer's dream. It means both people
are claiming to be victims, both people are claiming to
be the abuser. It shows a history of back and forth.
So this is a volatile relationship from both folks in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You know, my guess is they There is no evidence
that the victim was volatile.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The victim was a cop, by the way. But that said, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Not the one that ordered a hit according to police,
he's not the one that went on Tender, a dating
site if you want to.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Call it that. That's a hookup site, that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that said, he didn't go on Tender and pretend
he was looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A date and goes, oh, by the way, can you
meet me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
At wah Wah's Grocery so I can pay you to
shoot my ex. That wasn't him, that's her Moores, So
don't tune up.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
First thing, I ask you about.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Tros and you try to say it's the victim's fault.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Does it never end with you?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
No, it's not that they're both victims. They both had tros,
and people withdraw them all the time because.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
They get back together and then they have them all
to would the victim?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Could you just explain what maybe you know? Let me
direct you to Webster's Dictionary. And I don't mean online,
you need.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The hard copy. What do you think victim means? How
is she a victim? He goes to get a tro
and she's like, race, this is to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm first, I'm first judged. Call me first. How is
she the victim? He broke up with her.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And she could stand it in order to hint to
kill him.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Have you ever been to a murder scene? Have you
smelled and coagulated blood? Because I have, and I hope
I never do again. That's what she wanted.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
I've been to quite a few and have gotten plenty
of not guilty. The murder cases we have in this case.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
How you managed to merge a dead body with you
getting a not guilty. Excuse me, Jackie, could you toot
his horn for him? No, he's doing that himself. You
are asking you about how he's the thing she wanted
him dead on the ground with his team dead.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Nancy, you have a cl on their own for four days,
creating this story. Potentially the defense has something to work
with here. When have you ever heard of a CI
doing their own kind of case on Tinder and then
all of a sudden going to the police four days later.
That creates opportunities?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, Well, you know I got a wonderful answer for you. Okay,
and her name as Dahlia Dippolito. Are you actually asking
me how does a CI confidential? You know, I'm not
impressed by you throwing around cop talk. Everybody that's watching
(10:12):
crime stories knows CI is a confidential informant. But thank
you for trying. Okay, Next, what are you going to
throw a Latin phrase at me that said.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You're looking at Are you usual.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For a CI to go online to traffic killer? Because
it's not is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
No, but it doesn't seem like from the police report
that the police were involved in this the first four days.
So what they have a meeting in a god in.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Heaven, they did get involved.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, put your feet to the fire, Morse, because you
said what CI, which is an arm of LA law
enforcement goes online to traffic killer?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Who would do that? Hey? Listen to this? Do you
(11:24):
know how many times I've watched that?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And there's a longer version two, which I will absolutely play. Okay,
Dahlia Dippolito hires a hitman to murder her husband, and
as in this case with the Molotov cocktail that Rodrigo
Tetahan was telling us about and prior attempts, it wasn't
her first try.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
According to Ellie, she tried to poison her husband in
a Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm not even going to mention that she was a hooker, okay,
because that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Before she got married and he took her away from
all that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Anyway, they stinger, Why did they stinger because they had
l E law enforcement as the would be assassin. Same
thing as here, and Morrise, you're acting like you've never
heard anything like it, Like it's a big entrapment to
John Pizzorro, former in New Jersey State Police investigator twenty
(12:25):
five years.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know there's a lot going down in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Homicide, organized crime, cartels, commander of the Internet, crimes against children,
It goes on and on. Currently, CEO of RAVEN focused
on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
John, you've certainly seen it all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But did you happen to hear Greg Morris, who is
a veteran defense attorney, as he so timidly put forth,
I've won a lot of cases, he says, did.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You hear him say?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
How odd it is for elie law enforcement, an agent
a CI to be part of a sting. I mean,
who is this woman going to hire to kill her
ex ann? Will you priest a virgin? No, somebody that
acts like a hitman.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Yeah, we use them all the time. I mean informants.
And by the way, I love the entrapment argument because
that's the first thing defense counsel does, entrapment. But the
reality is, I can't tell you how many times people
actually came up to us, you know, in an undercover capacity,
and to hire a hit person. I mean, the only
difference between years ago today is that there's apps to
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do it. Where you don't have to go to the
Yellow Pages. Is a little easier just to ask someone
to do something.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Jacqueline Diorio is a twenty six year old New Jersey
woman accused of attempting to murder her cop ex boyfriend
by hiring a hit man off Tinder.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We know these two love birds.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Met when the defendant, the suspect, the hairstylist, was actually
doing the victim's hair.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's how they met. Let's see what more we know. Listen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Jacqueline Diorio, twenty six, lives in run A Meede, New Jersey,
making her living as a barber. She hits it off
with one of her clients, a police officer twice her age.
They began dating. Their relationship lasts just over a year,
but not without problems. Problems so bad that Diorio asked
for and got a restraining order put in place. She
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later dropped the complaint. After the breakup, Diorio started looking
at dating apps, specifically Tender. A match is made and
Diorio makes plans to meet her new friend for the
first time at a wall wall. They exchange numbers and
communicate through text messages and phone calls.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay to you John Pizzorro, former New Jersey State Police
twenty five years Wow, okay, Pisorro. I've heard of first dates,
and I always advise people when you meet online you
should meet somewhere public.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But wah waws. That should have been a tip off
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
My sister and Philly used to live in a building
on top at the bottom of the building.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was in grad towers at the Wharton School. There
was a wah wah.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean, that's not really a romantic setting for your
first date, is it?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Was that a tip off? I mean, wahwas Well, it.
Speaker 9 (15:26):
Is Tinder, Nancy, so I mean, you know, and there
is a lot of wildwaws in New Jersey, so I
guess the old Starbucks is out these days, you know too.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz now joining us, and she's been chomping
at the bit hearing all of this. She's a forensic
psychologist and she specializes in capital mitigation and victim advocacy,
and you can find her at panthermitigation dot com. She's
the author of Criminal Behavior and the one I like
the best where law and psychology Intersecty Schwartz, I mean,
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this could be a total case study for you, because,
for instance, what led up, what fueled the hatred and
this hairstylist heart that she wanted not only her boyfriend
for Pete's saint.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They're not even married.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
They don't even have to divide property, they don't have
to fight over custody, they don't have to decide who
gets the pots and pans and who gets the crock pot,
none of that. But it's so contentious she wants him
dead and not just thinking, doctor Sherry, oh, I could
(16:37):
just kill him, not that actually going online in hiring
someone to commit double murder and un at teen girl,
a little girl, what is that, Doctor Sherry.
Speaker 10 (16:52):
It's pure unadulterated hatred, fueled by the fact that it
seems like he broke up with her. The relationship was volatile,
he didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore,
and it sounds like she probably arrived at the conclusion
that if I can't.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Have you, nobody will.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
I don't understand why his teenage daughter had to be
involved in that, unless she thought it was possible the
teenage daughter could later identify that she would be the
one trying to have him murdered. But this is somebody
who has no regard for human life.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Guys, what happens?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They start up a romantic relationship, it goes sour, they
break up, She files for Tiroro and then almost immediately
drops it. What was that about? Was that a way
to play the system? But it progresses.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Listen During the Oreo's text conversation with her tender date,
she reveals she's not really looking for love, but rather
a hitman and imp who was working.
Speaker 11 (17:57):
With a longer and say they recently met a female
wanted beating at Tinder. The female and entered by herself
to the informants d well, which was later identified as
the defendants tender name. The defending the informant then met
at a lawa and running meat. Subsequently, defendant any informant
exchange the numbrous text messages and phone calls.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
During these text.
Speaker 11 (18:19):
Messages and phone call conversations, that's defendant and totally informant
that she wanted.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Her to ex boyfriend kill.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm trying to figure out when love turns into hate,
and when hate turns in to the desire for murder,
and when that desire leads you to commit and act.
Now to Greg Morris joining me, who has won a
lot of cases, is named partner at Morse Legal and
also current counsel to the CIA Greg and an attempt case,
(18:51):
an attempted murder or an attempted anything, there are very
often conspiracy charges.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
A conspiracy cannot.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Be, as you and I have argued in court many times,
unless you have an overt act. I could sit around
all day and think, Oh, I want to kill Greg
Morris so bad.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
How would I do it? What would I do?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's just wishful thinking, that's daydreaming talking about it doesn't
rise to conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
But you must have.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
An overt ov ert act in order to prove your case.
And here that overt act is going on tender, meeting
someone but still not enough, but then persuading him to
do a hit. There's your overt act right there. In
a conspiracy charge.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Well, there is an overt act there. However, again, those
first four days, when she's interacting with this guy on
tender and they're talking, that leaves a lot of room
for argument for the defense, just like they seem to
be indicating. It's not something that and you know this
God becomes a CI after the four days, not before,
(20:06):
and that creates opportunity. You also can argue the five
hundred dollars it's no word ask although paying for a
Hittman on layaway as odd, but that seems to be
what the prosecution is alleging here.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, Greg Morris, when you say that leaves a
lot of wiggle room.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Can we just get real about what you're arguing.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I believe trying to read the tea leaves of what
you just said that you're trying to argue that it
was the informant's idea that we can somehow claim entrapment.
In other words, she would never have come up with
a plot to murder her ex and his team daughter
but for the CI luring her into it. That's what
(20:45):
entrapment means. I would never have done this except the
cops planned it. They lured me in, and now they're
prosecuting me.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I would never have done this on my own. That
is what entrapment is.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Are you trying to blame the CI the confidential informant?
Speaker 8 (20:59):
Well, the defense has to do something in this case,
and like it out there, there was a.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Little storing there. When you're trying to come up with the.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Argument, what listen, this is you have four days of
a civilian being on their own, and then they go
to the police and.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Say, hey, this lady wants to.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Kill her husband.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Who knows what that guy's trying to work off in
his past or why he presented himself to the police
to be used.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
But as far as all accounts, Nancy, this guy was
a civilian like you and I for four dates.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
He packaged this and then brought it over to the
law enforcement. So yeah, I would live and die in
those four or eight days as a defense lawyer.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And you know, you got a little problem, Greg Morris,
you got a little tiny eight C and C fly
in the ointment. Here's the problem, Rodrigo Tetrahan. Isn't it
true that the defendant actually wrote texts to the CI
(21:58):
that prove what she wants. It's not just his word
against hers. She wrote texts.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
They're clearly from her phone about the hit.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yes, the prosecutors at the last hearing did read back
text messages between the CI and the Oreo where Diorio
allegedly goes over.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Proof.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
She asked for proof because, in her own words, she
said that she had been sent fake pictures before, which
alludes to prior attempts to carry out this hit.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
She gives me, I just choked, just a tiny bit
white white. Hold on, Can I see Greg Morris right now?
As Rodrigo? Okay, could you repeat that, Rodrigo? What you
just said? She said what in her text to the
confidential informant.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Prosecutors read text between the CI and Diorio where she
mentions that she needs hard proof for this hit that
she wants carried out and alludes to having been sent
fake pictures in a prior attempt. This is, of course
through text messages that were read out in court at
the detention hearing two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Out that's got to hurt Morse, That really has to
hurt She's sending him text describe me how a previous
hit man failed her and burned her by sending her
fake photos.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Of the hit.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Well, people become defendants because they're not that bright. However,
people text a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
It doesn't mean they're going to act on it.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
In the news right now is NFL Hall of.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Famer Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
He have some negative texts in the lawsuit against him,
and he wasn't going to he said, I wasn't going
to joke anybody. So people text a lot of things, you.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Know, so you have to look at that and try
to turn that around as a bluster and just talking.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
A woman from New Jersey attempted to hire a hitman
off Tinder to kill both her cop ex boyfriend and
his nineteen year old daughter. Were just twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Joining me in All Star panel.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
We've been going back and forth with Greg Morse about
his theory that it's all the CI Confidential Informant's fault,
that this woman hair stylist, scorned lover really would never
have ordered a hit on her boyfriend if not for
the CI alluring her into it. But those text messages
(24:23):
that she sent the CI that she met at wahwaz
on a date. When he gets so, she goes, guess what,
I don't want a date. I want to hit man.
How about you? Those text messages are damning. And not
only are they damning, they make.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
A great identification. Listen the debate.
Speaker 11 (24:40):
Dentally informant that her ex boyfriend is a Philadelphia police officer.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
And provided his need.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
The defendon also provide.
Speaker 11 (24:47):
The informant the telephone number of the police officer's teenage daughter,
the informant dead men with detected Durham, but the Candy
County Proster's Office Major Crimes Unit and the informant provided
Detective Durham with a sure of the defendant from her
tender profile. The informant also provided the Detective Durnam of
the defendants.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Teleorm Wow, Rodrigo terrejan joining us from Crime and Courts
reporting at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Rodrigo again, thank you for
being with us. So she didn't even use a burner phone.
She used her own phone to text with who she
thought was a CI, therefore giving up her identity.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Unless she wants to try to claim.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Somebody else had her phone or somehow impersonating her, she
used her own phone, Rodrigo.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. Prosecutors said that the
phone number and a photo of the Oreo were both
shown to the officer that she had allegedly tried to
have killed through this hitmap, and he confirmed both that
it was her in the photo and that that was
the number that they had used to communicate. So this,
according to what prosecutors have dug up, was her own
(26:00):
phone number.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, it gets worse for her.
Speaker 11 (26:02):
Listen if it was interviewed and told the detective Deuram
that the defendant was adamant about killing the victim. Informant
stated they which they spoke about money, and that the
defender stated, you were willing to pay twelve.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 11 (26:15):
During the conversations, defendant also told the informant that she
wanted the victim's teenage.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Daughter killed as well.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The defendant told.
Speaker 11 (26:23):
The informant she could pay five hundred dollars a front
and the rest being the installments.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US forensic psychologist Doctor Sherry. The
defendant the hairstylist, the scorn hairstylist reiterated over and.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Over she was sure she wanted the hit to.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Go down, adamant, adamant, insistent that it happens, and again,
I must compare it to the Dahlia Dippolito, Okays, where
she says that I believe she's five thousand percent sure
she wants her husband dead, and it's all caught on tape.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Of course, listen now and one's done.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
You know, not change your money.
Speaker 12 (27:08):
But if you change your money, no, no, like like well,
five thousand to five thousand percent sure, that's for our
friends at ABC twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What does that mean, Sherry Schwartz, I mean the CI
gives the defendant opportunity to turn back, opportunity to go.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You know what, this is crazy talk.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I don't want to do this, but instead they are adamant.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
They are hell bent on murder.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
That's that's exactly what it is. That she wanted the
job done. She was willing to pay for it. She did,
in fact, put a down payment on it. And that
is an indication that you are serious and you want
this done. And like it was previously mentioned, this is
somebody who, by her own admission, made a prior attempt
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and was duped according to her. So this is somebody
who's had some time to think about it and is
one that she wants this done.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Joining us is a survivor and that doesn't begin to
describe what he went through.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Baron Lee is with us. He was shot point.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Blank range, shot nine times by teens hired by his
wife to murder him. As I recall, you were going
to your car and they swarmed you. You were shot
nine times and lived all over money that was meant
(28:42):
that was earmarked to raise their disabled son, she wanted
that money.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
At any point when you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Two were having a contentious split, did you ever get
the sense that she would want you dead?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah? I actually had gone through a couple incidents where
she tried to run me over with the vehicle, and
so when I was shot, I already knew it was
her who was behind it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But when you say that you knew she was behind it,
let me refine my question. When did you get a
sense or an inkling.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That she wanted you dead? As you were lying there.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
On the pavement bleeding out, you knew at that moment
that she was.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Behind the hit.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You weren't wronged, you weren't sex molested. You know, it
wasn't a car jag, nothing like that. This was obviously
a hit on you specifically, and you knew then as
you were bleeding out who did it. But leading up
to that, was there a moment where you were actually
afraid or thought, you know, she wants me dead?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah? I mean, like I said, we had a five
year you know, contention of custody with my son, and
during that time she had attempted to run me over
twice during child exchanges. So you know, for the first
time I you know, just chucked it off that first
a just being angry. When she tried to run me
(30:10):
over the second time, I realized that definitely she wanted
I guess this.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Case is bringing back a lot of bad memories because
according to reports, this is not Diorio's first attempt. We've
got the Molotov cocktail incident that many attribute to her
that has not been proven in a court of law,
and she's innocent until proven guilty. Then we have her
(30:34):
telling the CI don't burn me. I've been burned before
with fakes, with lies by hitman. In your case, there
were multiple attempts as well. Did you feel invincible? Did
you believe you would never be killed?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
No, of course not. But you know, this woman sounds
just like my ex wife. Looks like she's not going
to stop until she can get the job done. Even
after my ex wife peg gott and she found out
that I survived, she was actually working with the teenagers
to have them come back for a second attempt. So
I'm sure this woman has the same kind of mindset
(31:13):
that you know. If left to her devices, she was
going to get this job done one way or another.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
During the recording conversations, Wells previous conversation with the informative
defendant discusses her desire to have teenage daughter of her
ex boyfriend killed first.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
While then followed by the victim of the boyfriend.
Speaker 11 (31:32):
The reason that the defendant gave is the order of
killings was that she wanted to kill the victim's teenage
daughter because the killing the police officer would draw too
much screwtiny from law enforce and well not as much
lawmfors and resources would be dedicated to investigating the den
an officer's daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What did I just hear that incorrectly?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
To Rodrigo Tetrjane joining us from Philadelphia, Inquirer Rodrigo, that's
why she wanted the.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Teen daughter killed.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
At first, when I started investigating the case, I thought
it was because she was jealous of attention or love
given to the teen daughter.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It wasn't that at Oh, this woman might as well
be a lizard. Her blood is cold. Explain why she
wanted the daughter killed first?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Sure so, according to what prosecutors said, and you heard
it right there, she was very methodical about the order
in which she wanted these two people killed. She knew,
according to prosecutors, that the assassination of a police officer
would bring unwanted attention, so she made it very clear,
according to prosecutors, that she wanted the daughter killed first,
(32:37):
the teen daughter killed first, and then the Philadelphia police
officer to mitigate the attention that would be focused in
on these hits.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Amazing the way she planned this out, Doctor Sherry Schwartz.
That is some cold blood, methodical planning right there. Reasoning
as to why she wanted the girl killed first.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's what she says.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
I actually think there's some a darker motive for why
she wanted the daughter killed first. I think that she
was looking to hurt her ex boyfriend and she wanted
him to suffer before she ultimately had him murdered.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, to increase the suffering of the boyfriend. How is
it again, doctor Sherry. I can understand all the hatred
that must brew, must percolate and boil over and say
a long term marriage. But here there was no property division,
There was no custody argument, no pots and pans, no
(33:41):
dog to argue, nothing. How could you develop such intense
hatred and just a brief dating relationship.
Speaker 10 (33:50):
I mean, this is somebody who maybe came to the
relationship with that level of hatred, it's hard to say.
There isn't anything specific that I saw in researching the
case that cites a reason that he did something to
her that maybe would cause her to have such bitter
antipathy toward him. But sometimes people come as they are,
(34:13):
and that may be a reason that the relationship didn't
work out.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
The most concerning aspect of the facts that this case,
involving the fact that he disappears not to be an
isolated attempt by the defendant.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
To contract someone to kill the victim.
Speaker 11 (34:25):
As evidence, an escort, which is a text message screenshot between.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
The defendant and the informative.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Defend states as she had people.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Looking her in the eye and lie before, and how
is she going to get proved?
Speaker 11 (34:38):
She also says that fake pictures could be said to her,
and how is she going to believe the defendant that
the victim was in fact dead, and how she said
someone who previously said her fake pictures.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Before Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Jennifer Emmy, a well known lawyer defending animal rights, now
has to defend herself against allegations she ordered to hit
on her ex husband's new girlfriend after the couple's nasty divorce.
A hand at Emmy's nonprofit ranch went to the police.
Well the recording of Emmy asking if he knew anyone
who could take care of her ex's much younger new girlfriend,
(35:24):
during which she said, no one will miss her. If
someone could help me get rid of her.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Amazing in the sense that when you go to the
snakehouse at the zoo you look at the snakes through
a thick glass wall, or looking at a tarantula in
a box. Amazing in that sense that not only according
to the state, of course, Dioryo.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Is innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
According to the state, she wanted not only her boyfriend
ex boyfriend, but his teen daughter dead. Two In the
case of attorney Jennifer Emmy, she wanted the girlfriend of
her ex murdered. That's a whole different psychopathy. And in
(36:15):
this case, Greg Morris, you've got both, according to prosecution.
Now a great defense attorney like you may be able
to convince the jury.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Oh this was all just talk. She didn't mean it,
she didn't really want it to happen, But we do
have her.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
According to the prosecutors, handing over a down payment of
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Dollars at Dollar General. She picks the places.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right where you know there's going to be surveillance video
the handover is it Dollar General? And wawas they're like
Vegas for Pete's say they're covered and oh my goodness,
yeah they're over in security video. I guess you didn't
think that part through. But they desire to have not
(37:06):
only your object of hatred murdered, but then an innocent
person who's getting dragged into it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm sure you could probably argue to a jury's all
just talk. She didn't really want it to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
She didn't know what she was saying. Don't prosecute her,
don't send her to jail. I can hear it right now.
But that's a whole another layer of evil. You don't
just want your hate object. Did you want people around them?
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Did?
Speaker 13 (37:34):
Well?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
I think you're right, and what we've said before, it
was probably to harm the ex boy friend to see
his daughter killed first, and then you know he has
to suffer that.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
But you also, you know you have a situation here
where folks what they think in their head, it's going
to be like when they pull a trigger or in
this case, try to hire someone to kill someone.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
The reality though of that and how that plays out
is totally different, as we see in all these cases,
whether it's dip Alito, whether it's the.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Oreo, They're on surveillance cameras, they have phones registered in
their name.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
These are folks that aren't making the smartest choices, right, So,
but I also think that.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
That doesn't make the victim any less dead.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Morse, Well, there's nobody dead here, and maybe it was
because she was only was it allows of PAM that
was found in her car. She's charged with that also
drug count so and she also offered five hundred.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Dollars please put him hit. Actually trying to argue at
all that they reason.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The illegal use of drugs is somehow a defense as
opposed to an additional felony charge. We all know all
the legal that voluntary use of drugs are alcoholism ever
a defense?
Speaker 7 (39:01):
No, no, no, But it doesn't mean it can't lead
to some break with reality or there's some impact on her.
She was acting weird. Anyone that's had a loved one
who's been under a lot of anesthesia knows when you
come out of it sometimes you're going to have some
mental issues. You're going to see the world differently, You're
going to see the world wrong. Maybe she had an
impact on that because.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Somehow comparing this and when I videoed the twins after
they had the Wistar teeth cut out.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
No, I mean it never ends with you. You're actually
giving me a headache right now. Well, medic medication, okay, medication,
Medication's mind that Rodrigo Tetahan joining us from Philadelphia. Inquirer.
Where does the case stand now? What's happening?
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Sure, so there is a next hearing schedule for middle
of June. Right now, do Rio is in custody without bails,
so she's basically in jail until her next court hearing.
I've attempted to reach the officer that is allegedly the
target of this hit attempt have been unable to reach
(40:07):
him or his family. And that's really where it stands.
Speaker 11 (40:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
The detention hearing was basically to figure out if she
would be released because she has no prior criminal record.
Of course, the judge sided with the prosecutor's office and
said we're going to go give no bail and she's
going to be in custody until her next year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
If you know, or think you know anything about the
alleged attempt on the officer's life or he has daughter's life.
The case is still being built by the state eight
five six two two five five one two seven repeat
eight five six two two, five five to one to seven.
(40:47):
Now we remember an American hero police officer, Christopher Kilcullen EGENPD, Oregon,
shot and killed in a line of duty twelve years
with law enforcement, leaving me hein widow Christie, daughters Sydney
and Katie Anne. American hero officer Jay Christopher kill Cohen
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Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!