Ep. 411: Reproductive Justice, & Women's History Month (Ft. Monica Simpson & Kendrick Sampson)

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Speaker 5 (00:59):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of This is the Owns,
This is the Omes.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
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have two guests today.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Don't get mad that it's not a solo episode because
you're gonna be very excited. If you're on the YouTube.
You got titties on the left and eyes on the right.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
So I'm gonna introduce titties first, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Because titties always confirsed.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Okay, we have we have Monica Simpson, who is the
executive director of Sister's Song, which is the Southern based
National Women of Color Reproductive Justice Collective.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
And y'all we talked.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
You got that, baby, because girl, I can read, you
don't know what I could read. I gonna hold you
reductious collective. The words were long, but I did it.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You did today. I was partner. You know our new
book I Feel Me. Andy says it really well.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
But it's kind of worthy for me because I have
racist now a dual manifesto of sexual exploration. I'll just
be like way when you start laughing, I'll be like
Manifesto six that's what I've had crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Well, let me introduce se y'all, because I feel like
y'all has kind of been introduced to him in life football.
But we have Kendrick Sampson, who was an actor, producer,
and activists who leverages his platform and storytelling to.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Shift culture for good.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
You feel me, y'all may know him as Nathan from
Insecure or as Ethan in Prime's popular romantic comedy Something
from Tiffany.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that was so cute? Was
that years ago? This was a while? Why did I forget?
This was a while ago? Okay?

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Yeah, yeah, he's like the first person to introduce bipolar
disorder to the black community.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But that's literally what his character did. Bro. You feel me.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
I was like, dang, at least you wasn't the one
they hadn't introduced by sexuality because I feel like, let's
just say he was real in real life, he was straight.
I feel so bad for like characters that have a
super mask like a murder move and they gotta be like, damn, now,
I need to live in this and be like fucking
explain myself.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Shit, well shit.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
Sharona sat Here introduced polyamory like, we.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Knows got it in him? Crazy a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
He's open for some horrible decision shows that when I thought,
I thought, would it.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
By the way, I want to let y'all know too.
Kendrick also is the co founder of Bold Power.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
And you do a lot of Bill. It was BLD
it was you got a lot to read.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
The best the best version of it was the dude
that used to go around he had he had no
hair and people would always give him that and be like, Oh,
that's so crazy, and he was like really proud of
the shirt.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
They thought it was bald Power.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, that's funny. Listen when I see b l K,
I know it's black.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
B l D could be so many words. Yeah, so
build bald bold. But you know I would have said
b l D. There you go, because think think of
b D. No, it don't make.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
You think of b D. I couldn't wait tell us oh, y'all.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Two got together because I was saying earlier before cameras
were up. I was like, oh, I thought it was
a movie out, but y'all are literally doing social justice reform.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
We live in a movie.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's what America is.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
In the United States of America, yeah, we were actually just.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Talking about this.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
We met, uh twenty seventeen, what's that twenty sixteen?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, so yes that one.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
Yes, but did were you also at the Elizabeth Warren meeting.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
In New Orleans?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh oh, y'all are really that tight?

Speaker 7 (04:45):
No, No, it's in a minute, Like we've been in
this for a minute, y'all because Elizabeth Warren was on
a mallet ship, right, but elections, Yeah, okay, but we were.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
That and it was in New Orleans. That's exactly where
I started. Okay, you remember that's.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
When I That's where I was like, I need them
to come.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
And then you created this really dope art Activism Exchange
in New Orleans again, and he invited me in, right,
And so we just started making these connections around like
how do we build this bridge between art and activism,
creativity and social justice.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And it's just been a powerful connection ever since.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
It's been amazing, like looking up both of the platforms too,
like it looks like you all have such a strong team.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Like that, to see so many women on yours, to
see yours mixed with so many like men and women.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I was just like Oh, this is really dope, and
I love that your team whoever did it, because we
was just making fun of how we normally don't respond
to publicists who hit us up, and I was like,
oh my god, Women's History Month is coming up, and
we haven't yet done or really touched on too much
reproductive justice, especially since the reversal of Roe v.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Wade.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
We've talked about our stories, but haven't really talked about
the broader impact on what it really has on women moving.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Forward yet telling my abortion story to hell the people.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
We thank you for that though, because you know how
many people are so scared to tell their stories still.
So storytelling is important, but I do understand like it's
like we're continuing to have to tell these stories over
and over and over again, and we just see continuous
rollbacks of all the things, and more bands put into
place and more restrictions put into place, and so sometimes
it does feel like why am I still telling the story?
But I just want to let you know and remind

(06:22):
you you are, because there's so many people who.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Can't I do.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
I do want to you saying that is incredible because
I like, y'all are really boot a strap on the
like I want to know politicians whatever, you know what
I mean, We just.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Want show up to a parade, not a parade march,
see like politically like well bike ride.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I'm I don't think people would really consider us activists
for the movement by just sharing stories. But I love
that you said the more these conversations are had. And unfortunately,
I also feel like again the way your character Nathan
was able to bring awareness to bipolar disorder and navigating that.
I don't think in prime television and film we've seen

(07:06):
anyone navigating abortion. We haven't seen really people navigating outside
of handmade sales, which I know is kind of sci fi.
Sure it still doesn't touch on it doesn't touch on
the decision of abortion.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (07:19):
I do, And I would agree with you to a
certain extent because I mean, there could be like an
argument that's like, oh, we've seen some abortions and some
stories before, but I think that we haven't seen enough,
in my opinion, in black culture and the many different
stories around abortion. I think that sometimes people feel like
there's like one story you didn't want to have a kid,
so you had an abortion, or you are too promiscuous,

(07:40):
so you just what you were not being responsible and
so now you have to have an abortion.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Or you never see couples talk about the choice to
have an abortion. Absolutely married, I've.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Already got kids.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
It's always we were in a situation that was mine.
We were in a situationship. But like that's a standard story,
I believe when it happens at a certain age. But
for some reason, I've heard even the thing like you're
too old to have an abortion.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Oh I ain't gonna lie. I tell that to myself.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
That's why there's condoms in my kitchen, my bedroom and everywhere,
because I'll be like, I will tell a man like
you know, I'm I'm dating so one eight years younger
than me right now, and I literally be like, baby,
I'm too old to be having an abortion.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I'm responsible, you.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like, wait, what we use condom? Do not do this relationships?
That is crazy if you.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
But condoms are necessary?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Are having a new combo? Yes, I need.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Drew say boyfriend, he is my boyfriend, and baby, the
condoms are packed and the luggage for us being on vacation.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I know that he wants children.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I do not.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
And so the conversation is well, baby, I don't want
to kill the baby. You won't. Oh this is so good, Kendrick.
You look shocked, but please share your thoughts. Oh where
do we go from? We do?

Speaker 5 (09:02):
We start with condom? I would love to know a man's.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
Perspective, Yes, the man's perspective on having sex with condoms
in a relationship or okay, because I touched on a
lot of things.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Literally, Yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
You're saying that it's not that once you established that
you're in a relationship, you now you.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Say you want to make sure he understands your perspectives.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You're you're saying you use we just got I like
to call.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Saying wrap it up, okay, and you saying once you
in a relationship, NA pull it out.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm on birth control, I mean, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's the only thing you got to worry about.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
In my relationship, I mean my relationship. Like at some point,
I think everybody's got to make a choice when they
want condoms to be for the reality we together every night,
you know what I mean. Now, in a non monogamous relationship,
you got to have those conversations too, which I do.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
I think most I don't stay prayed up. I stay tested,
not on purpose. But most relationships are non monogamous, so you.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Only have sex. Wait second, kidd too, come.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
On stats.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
Of the time, I'm wrapping the funk up. But when
you think that you don't know what somebody just.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
In a community relationship.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Relationship, I know you ain't using them.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Listen, I know a lot of people they refuse. I'm
not gonna. I'm not saying that's just my preference.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
I just find it sometimes jarring when like, I have
a married friend of mine, Oh, they're not watching thirteen years.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And may be using condoms.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Sometimes she'd be like, bitch, I'll be getting scared, and
I'm like, okay, totally get it.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
She doesn't want to get on another form of birth control.
But I do get very.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Right because no, in this relationship, I'm not worried about
sexually transmitted diseases. We've made a choice to have sex
together with condoms, and when we have sex with other
people together, you get tested results whatever. Right, But what
you're saying is even in that committed relationship, you still.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Don't feel if y'all, you would have to establish a
really high level of trust that.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
I didn't want a baby and there was a reason
why I felt safe there.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Right, I'm saying, though, like using the.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Condoms, Well, here's the thing, Like, you know, when you
do decide to not use a condom, it makes it
that much more special and meaningful, right of course, And
when you do, you know, that means that sometimes you
don't right, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes and and
I don't expect you know, I'm coming from a completely

(11:53):
different perspective. I don't do relationships like that, and I
don't really.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's why you had ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Ninety nine point nine nine.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
When is the point what happened? Zero zero one?

Speaker 6 (12:03):
When I make a conscious, healthy decision to do so? Okay,
and see it because if y'all not mess. That's another
thing is men and women have different hygiens regimen's standards.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
I have to be honest, don't like where this is going.
Not using condoms isn't unhealthy and safe scenarios and trust
these scenarios.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
But what I was literally about to say is you
don't know everybody's health stands, and don't but.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Ship we talking about a condom?

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, I'm you don't know what nigga help and you
decided to make him your maid.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
But especially not monogamous. What about a woman you pick
up on vacation or a woman you meet at a bar,
like not knowing who all they fucked with? Really, even
results like that's not a common conversation, especially with people
who aren't sex workers. Like I was dating a couple
last summer and a lot of my friends thought it
was crazy that they wanted test results before we did anything,
because a lot of the casual people that are not

(12:55):
in lifestyle also aren't getting tested.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Let's be real, I mean, that is.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
It, And everybody don't watch that.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Everybody at what was all last test?

Speaker 7 (13:04):
My last test was Oh, I just went to the
doctor January.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
My charge is January fourteen. Yeah, I was in January. Okay,
I found I do not engage with penis. Let me
just I'm very clear.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
I do not engage with Oh, you don't engage with peenia. No,
I've been off penis for about twenty years.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Oh you want to be good, let me tell you. Yeah, yeah,
not nine two thousands. Can I ask you what makes
me it's funny? Because this has been a.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
This has been a conversation on Housewives recently on how
someone could be married to a man for twenty years,
get out of the relationship and end up with a woman.
This happened, and Ronnie, it's happening in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
What what makes you go from having it? If being
because Dick is beautiful, it's great, it looks.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Nice to them, just saying I think I was done
with it for twenty years. I don't think it looks nice.
Movie very clear. I always thought it was a very weird. Oh.
I never wished to you.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
I'm just I was just like, this is a very
interesting looking thing. And I was very it was. It
was very interesting. So here's the thing. I think that
there is a wide spectrum of sexuality, right, and so
you can be on the very far end of straight
like you are. You are dick dick, dick dick down right,
and then there's the other side that's like, I am
pussy pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy down I'm on that side, right,

(14:19):
I am very much into that side, right, And there's
a whole bunch of stuff on the in between. And
I think and there's an in between and I think
that whenever you are, you know, especially as you're aging,
and sometimes I think with these some of these aging sisters,
because we have not been taught pleasure throughout our life,
then we are conditioned to think that we can only
have a certain type of sex, a certain type of intimacy,

(14:43):
and that shit gets boring very quickly. And so then
once they realize that, oh I have some freedom, I'm
making my own money, I'm not depending on other people.
I can actually try some other things. Yeah, now I'm
gonna try to eat some pussy.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
I may like it, I may not like it.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I economic status may come into play with sexuality.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Because again I think it's about conditioning at the patriarchy.
It is about patriarchy at the end of the day.
So we still will live in the country, even though
black women were doing a lot, but then what we
used to we still at the lowest end of the
economic bracket.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
And we've been taught.

Speaker 7 (15:20):
I know I was taught, especially as a Southern Black woman,
you get you a good man that's going to keep
that good job, and you keep your good job, so
y'all can make it.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
But it doesn't.

Speaker 7 (15:28):
It was never given to me that you could actually
make it by yourself, that you need to have this
man that's going to have the good job right, that's
going to be able to hold you down right, and
then you hold him down. And so I think that
that is a mentality that a lot of people still
hold on to, that we have to do this thing together.
And I think that it's taken these past maybe decade,
maybe a decade or so, maybe longer than that, right

(15:50):
where people are starting to realize that I can actually
make things happen on my own. I don't have to
hold on to that very old school, very patriarchal, very
you knowternalistic way that we've been taught to actually be
in relationship. So I think that all of that connects
in people when they think about how they want to
enter into relationship, stay in relationship, what types of relationships
they want to be on be in, what types of

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sex they have, because a lot of us grew up
in the church, and it's like, you know, we ain't
taught that we can do sex in all kinds of ways.
We're not taught that you could like really have fun
in this thing. It's like it's for a purpose of procreation.
You have these kids. It's not about pleasure. We're not
taught about pleasure.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
You're really like making me think.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
I host a lot of HIV awareness dinners with Gilead
surrounding black women in the rising race in the constant
conversation is always centered around our sexual education never got
to pleasure.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
It was and it really wasn't too deep.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
It was just it was it's only that's how if
you have you're either gonna get pregnant or die it
either way.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Either way. Now, I was gonna say so. I grew
up in rural North Carolina.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
We had abstinence only sex education all right in Florida,
and we were incentivized to not have sex on Prom.
They told us if you didn't have sex on Prom,
there was gonna give you this cupon and go to
Pizza Hut.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
To get shut up pizza. Yeah, and I sent the
Pizza Hut pizza. But how long did they know?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
How would they know I fucked on Prom?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Like that's yeah, pans sausage pizza. That ship was the
listed by the way back.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Hey, well you could go to Pizza Hut and they
had the buffet.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Go, oh my god, Pizza Hut. Du fell pizza hut
still around. It's still around, but it's not the same. Oh,
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I just thirteen years iza. Have you heard Monica teld
the story of being incentivized to not fuck.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I was because I'm not gonna hold you. That's insane,
it's insane.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
But so many people grow up with this story, like
we were told don't fuck.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
But I started sucking at a very young age.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
Why because nobody was teaching me about my body, and
so I wanted to know about my body.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Nobody was validating me.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
There wasn't a lot of people who were feeding into me, right,
So I felt like I needed to get that from somewhere.
And so that's why I started having sex with men,
because that's what I was told that I had to do.
If somebody would have told me that your first sexual
experience did not have to be with a man, my
life would look completely different.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Girl, I don't I don't count mine.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Me and my my friends definitely dry humped and played
school and teacher and all.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
We were like.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
We were dry humping, like we was. Florida is called hunching,
you wasn't.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I I was hunching with panties. Never we never like, actually, scizzard,
but I hunched a.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Lot bro.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Grade. But I didn't hunt your girl in fifth grade.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
But I'm just saying I didn't see that as like
intimacy sex. I was like, this is my friend, we're
best friends. This is what best friends do. I didn't
see it as like sexual. It was like I like
this girl because where we share.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Everything relationship, I know, the successful Like since we've been
writing a book, I was writing about my ex girlfriend
and we make jokes about having a sexual experience with.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
This dude and how we're like, oh, I love you baby.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
We look at each other beach fixed my my wig
like she used to have a lace frint and it's
this besty relationship.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Gay man too, you'd be like, is that his home way?
Like I literally know, and I literally don't know if
it made it. So.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
In the book, there's a whole chapter on It starts
off with me finding how to self pleasure myself, and
it talks about the hunting, It talks about the masturbating,
It talks about me getting off by reading like the
message boards that used to be like uh huh, Like
it puts you in the world that you be two
k and Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
You remember a little fan fishing story, don't.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I used to get off by reading. I'm thirty four
years old. I have one. Yeah, we had, but I
just looked like.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Back in the day, that's on my part of.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
You'd be waiting for three hours and then somebody calling
trying to fact something.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
So much art that in the introduction of the book
I said they had. I went to a computer class
in school and the sound came on to like teach kids,
you know, like the keyboard ship, and I started thinking about,
like literally my brain was like, oh, we're about to
watch porn. That's how much that sound. At one point,
I remember Van Late told me this crazy shit. I
wish we had talked about it with him when we

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interviewed him, but he was like, bruh. When I was
writing my book, I would open up my computer and
be like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna look at porn. Like
we associate certain things with sex so much, and I
kind of love that. Like in my childhood it was
not so much in my face. I got to explore
pornography on my own, whereas right now.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Right now, you're going it's just everything. Twitter TikTok. TikTok
is hellosexual.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I'm starting to see breastfeeding ship on my Instagram is
a way to show titties.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Is that you said that's sexual? I was like, that's
not sexual.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Oh you ain't see the one I'm talking about. But
there's like sexualized girls with bikinis on big titties that
pull the titty out, feed their kid and get the
camera flirty.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Y'all ain't seen this. No, some people really know that.
I haven't seen this one. This one has.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Why I'm not look okay, wait, I am listen to me.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I do have titties on my you page a lot, Okay.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
And so for some reason, the rest feeders started coming
up and I'm like, is this real? And it's like,
that is crazy, It's crazy. I want to I know,
we've so crazytic. I want to get into our hypothetical
because you will be talking about reproductive justice and all
the things, and this is just to like get your

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get your wheels turning.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Okay, what you would do in these scenarios.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Okay, So we're gonna start off like a little crazy,
then we're gonna get a little serious.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
That's so the first one is, and I want answer
from everyone. Okay, if men could have babies, what do
you think would be the most outrageous baby shower theme
that they'd want to throw.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Baby shower?

Speaker 6 (22:04):
They were probably the most ridiculous. Is football with the baby?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
That's what football? For me? I would like that would
be down there, like you don't care that baby?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
What is that.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Ship? That's what he did that? Oh my god, that
is football.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
Okay, now I gotta find out because he took football. Okay,
he took football.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
What do you think would be the most outrageous theme
if men could play baby showers?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Oh? Man, I don't know. I don't know why. The
Kappas came in my mind for whatever reason, I don't
know why.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
But I don't fraternity baby shower like I just see
imagine one.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I just listen. It would be like in a strip
club maybe.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
But I just get Kappa's fall into my algorithm all
the time because in my mind I want to be
a Kappa, and only because I want to do the
little roll thing.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Right now, that's a born right. I do have too much.
I shoulders. It's all on the show, I know. But
I'm gonna get it together.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
But anyway, I think a fraternity thing one would actually
be the case because I could see like the Kappa's
doing like an all red and white situation, you know,
with little canes and ship like.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I could see it. I can see not a hookah,
it's like a last Hurrah like type things.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
A baby shower, like I don't know before after the
child is born.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
No, you're pregnant. If a man is pregnant, you pregnant
at the time.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know, I'm saying, oh so you have it's before
the child.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yes, look, men.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Don't even know when he like you before after the baby.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Kendrick said, I've been in no baby shower.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
You remember that New York baby shower went to My
man is not Jerrying, so all his family is like
fire right, they're great.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
But the friends k was getting the ski mask.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Them niggas had the chains on, just holding diapers coming
up the stairs, and I was.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Like, oh my god, key mask to a baby shower.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
It was winter time, so you know what they are, bro,
it's a New York nigga part on baby shower. Why
three of them niggas knew me in there, and they
was just like, oh you easy and I'm just like,
oh my god, I'm so embarrassed, bitch. They sitting there
playing pop smoke. They doing this ship in his fucking

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baby shower.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
But they took the ski masks off right once they
got inside.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
They just pull them down like neck. They just keep
them all yo. They had they fucking glasses on.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
And then you see just like you know, the family,
like their parents looking all nice with the traditional African
where and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
This is so New York bro like men.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
So anyway, she didn't have as many friends as he did,
and I got to see a man baby shop for
the first time.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's kind of the same. They dap you out.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
They be like, bro, it's it nigga you do upstairs smoking.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
It's the same ship.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Okay, okay, babies ain't gonna be there.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
The pregnant though the dude is pregnant, he can't have baby.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
I mean, there are some people, I mean, there are
some people who believe in marijuana doing pregnancy, So I
mean there's that, but anyway, that's.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
So more a more thoughtful one.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
By the way, I just think they're gonna have a
call of duty theme one because I just swear motherfuckers
like like they're gonna be drinking drinking baby milk from
like fake guns and stuff like, Okay, they gonna have mission.
They're gonna have mission set up. I like a little
water gun. Now I want that Vachel Rat party.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
But oh my god, this next one is more thoughtful, right, Okay,
So let's see in a world where men have babies. Now,
this is where they carry, this is where they do
the delivery AUTI things, how do you think the dynamics
of parenting would change between moms and dads? And what
dynamics do you think would change sexually? Because and I

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thought about this so for me, I think, ironically the
conversation we just had earlier about the condoms, I think
men would be far more forthcoming.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
So wrap it up, Brady.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
They were the ones experiencing pregnancy as one of the symptoms.
I do think a lot of men don't be scared
of the STDs enough, But if they knew what fear
pregnancy has and so many people, I think they would
be more thoughtful in unprotected sex. Also in the dynamics
of parenting. No, I don't think STDs affects many people's

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thoughts on sex just yet. The other dynamic that I
think would change between the parenting styles is again they
would be more thoughtful because then they would end up
the single daddy's and it would change a lot of
the less of the single parent household.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay, okay, I can dig it.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
I think that this might be the way for us
to like take out patriarchy because I think if men
had to actually carry a child for nine months and
give birth to child, that it's going to.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Change them mentally. I think that's what's gonna shoop.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
Okay, because what I don't think that men realize, and
a lot of people don't really really realize across the board,
is that whoever is carrying this child and then bringing
this child into the world, they now have this biological
chemical connection to this child. And so therefore you are
all in my opinion, I'm not a doctor, but in
my opinion, I feel like you are always going to

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be more emotionally connected in a particular kind of way. Right,
So that means there's a more emotional labor that you're
putting into this, and I don't think that men take
that into consideration sometimes, that it's not just like, oh,
I'm carrying all things and I'm changing a baby, feeding
a baby, and everything. My emotions are connected to this
kid in a way that they I don't think they
would ever understand.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
And so now if they have.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
To hold that emotional type of weight, I think it's
going to shift them mentally, and I think that they
may be like, maybe this patriarchy shit is not.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Great you saying that.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
It reminds me of like when I see like I
love like documentaries and reading like the crazy things that
happen in America.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
So anytime I see like a mother.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Who's a bad mom, because those exist where they just
don't show up for their child, or even like the
Casey Anthony shit that was big when I was growing
up in Florida, and I'm just like, something ain't right
because the scientific connection that you do have with a child,
for them to abandon them or not want them around
always makes me a question like, maybe what the hell

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is wrong with you that this hasn't formed a stronger connection? Yeah,
And I think that's what we don't think about enough
when because we can tie all this shit into like
the deeper conversations around like those people choosing to have
abortions and choosing not to parent just you see what
I'm saying, Like, everyone doesn't have the capacity.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I can't be a mama.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
Everyone does not have a capacity divipers or a vacation.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Hell no, I want to hop on a flight.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Listen. And I don't think that we talk about that enough.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
I think that there's been a couple of people, like
I've seen people come through my social media feed that's like,
fuck this parenting thing. I don't want to do it.
I don't want a responsibility. I don't want to do
all of that. And I don't think that we should
demonize those folks. I think that they're crazy for saying that.
I think that we should be commending people who are
like I realize now because A I don't want to
B because I know that I am managing other mental
health things. See, because I don't have the emotional bandwidth. D.

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I don't have the finance whatever those things are, if
they have put deep thought into because I don't think
that that's the part that we take into account with
people's abortion stories, is that they have put thoughts and
to whether or not they are going to end a
pregnant and.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Maybe unfortunately sometimes that thinking has to happen fairly quickly.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
They're done now with these laws, Let's have something testier.
I want you to answer this question.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Oh, we always hear or you know, sex and he's
my favorite comp for everything in life.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Okay, Miranda wanted an abortion? Yep. Steve was like, do
I get to say? What are your things?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Abortions could come back and be legal everywhere if men
and women both had to make the choice together, how
do you think things would end up? Do you think
men should have a say and whether or not an
abortion is happening?

Speaker 6 (30:22):
So the first thing is not if it can come back,
we can get abortion legalized.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
When it comes back. Let's work. We got this work.

Speaker 6 (30:36):
When we have stronger protections in place right than we
had right because it was already fragile. If it could
be taken away like that, right? And no, I mean
if I'm not carrying it? Now, do I have an opinion?
You say, do you have a say? I'm guessing you

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mean should I have any authority over that?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Well, I'm saying, like, this is all hypothetical world, right,
this is our hypothetical segment. So I'm thinking what if
they said, hey, much like a women had to sign,
you both have to sign that this is okay.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
How do you think men and women would what do
you how.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Do you think that would shift? Do you think we
would see less abortions if men had.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
To me? I don't.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
I think having a signature if a man, if it
has to require a man's signature, it's still oppression. I'm like,
what's the better?

Speaker 7 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because where's autonomy?

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Yeah yeah, if that's it's even worse than I mean, yes,
but even worse than that. It's saying if I disagree
that you have to carry a child for nine months,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I was going to say, I feel like the opposite.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I feel like women that want to carry and men
are necessarily like happy with it.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I would think we would see an uptick in abortion.
I really don't.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Feel that a lot of the scenarios we're seeing where
women choose to have a kid alone are necessarily their
own choice, Like you know what I mean, it's not
their fault. It is that this guy's like, yo, you
want to do that, It's up to you. We see
that scenario so many times. So when I think about
abortion in that way, I'm like, I wonder if the
shoe was on the other foot, where men had to
have the choice as well, are we going to have

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this baby together or we're not?

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Would we see it go up?

Speaker 6 (32:31):
When we see it he has to stick around? Or well,
because what's the commitment there?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
We go right, that man has to up? Is it financial?

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, so because we're I mean, if we dependent on
the American legal system, then we fucked all together. So
what is the contract you enter into with the person?
And then where's the accountability to that contract? Is it
the community? Is it you know, her dad and your parents?

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Are they around? You know what I'm saying. Is it
the mom?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (33:12):
What is the accountability to that? So, I mean that's
why I'm saying. The difference between a say, you know,
I can't. I can't have an opinion. I want you
to have it. I don't want you to have it.
I'm not ready to be a dad. I'm ready to
be a dad.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Oh yeah, I was on the opposite end of that.
So in our book, my abortion story leans into the
fact that so I got pregnant and I knew my
body was off. I literally called him and this is
how young am. I said, how many times you netted?
Because I count nuts?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
And he counted five.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I ain't count more than three in the same session.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Oh we was going, Yeah, I was sixteen.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
I ain't never been there yet, right bless I mean everybody,
if you could do that, great congratulations.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
But I love Brown. I love it. So I started
out the gate since the start.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
So anyways, I called to him knowing like my body
felt weird, like I just felt it in my in
my soul.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
And I share this story. How I call him.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
I let him know that this happens, and I'm like,
I don't want to be a mother, so I need some.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Money for this abortion.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
And and at the time my mom couldn't afford it,
so needed him.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
My daddy said figure it out, like I So I
went to him, and I remember him being irate. Mind you,
we just had sex a couple of weeks ago. He
already had a daughter, or already had a son. He
was convinced I had the other sex of the baby.
So he was like, you about to kill my son,
You about to kill my.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
And that was.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
You said what She was convinced that I was carrying
the other sex that he wanted, like he wanted another kid.
And so when I told him, I was pregnant. He
was like, oh, I know you carrying my seat.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Like but he he was convinced.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
I was like, well, I'm not having it, and he
chose not to help me at all. And what's crazy
is made the best decision of my life because the
week I even went niggaphone like kept going dead, talked
to his friend.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
He got locked up. He was a game banker named Almo.
Shouldn't have been fucking him anyway.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
But this is also my fault.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
This is a weezy's fault, for sure. We were steam
we were sixteen.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
And we went over to Tampa.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
But he had a friend, as he had a friend.
The friend the friend was Almos. Because why was it
because he was a blood? He was a blood?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I mean, you know that's to me street. I also
just want to add, we are great the game. We
are a good people. Game bankers.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Oh I did that one game making years ago, but
that was a one two time thing and I was
in la happened.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Game bankers are good people too.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
I'm just saying my decision to get an abortion with
a man who ended up being locked up while I
was pregnant in my first drama, I'm just glad that
it ended up that way. But I say all that
to say I was in that predicament where it was
my choice. I wanted to do it, despite the fact
that he actually wanted me to keep it, and because
of my decision, he said, I'm.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Not helping you pay for it. I'm against this, and.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
He literally I remember him yelling at me, you're killing
my child and that that happening at such a young
age might be why I'm so pro kind of now
and don't want to experience it again.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I was.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I was fucking.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Distraught because it was a decision that I had to
make where both my parents also couldn't financially help me.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
So I'm going into my junior year of high school.
I can't afford this. He got locked up.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
So my friend who worked at Colt soon literally shout
out to Kita literally had to help me pay.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
From her cold.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Shout out to abortions.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
I hope they line. But you know, I think the
other thing that what comes up from in your.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Story, but what comes up from your story is this.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
It's about this, you know, because we hear this a
lot in the stories and the work that we do
around reproductive justice. A lot, and it's like we've been
trying it, which is why you know it's work with
Kendrick has been so dope, is that we're trying to
bridge this gap between like men coming into this conversation
and where do their stories really fair to?

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Right?

Speaker 7 (37:30):
But I think that what I've heard continuously is that
these men saying, well, I wanted them to have this baby,
and so I interrogate that a little bit. Right, It's like,
when did you have the conversation with this person that
you're choosing to have sex with, telling them what your
reproductive desires were, that you actually want to have a kid.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Because most of the time, a lot of these dudes.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Are choosing women who are beautiful because I know you
was fine, He's just still fine, so you fine. They
see these women, they give them the look that they want,
and they want to create these babies with these women
that look a particular kind of way that can continue
their seed and make them look really dope and all
these other kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And that's actually very manipulative.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
It is to go into sexual connection with somebody like
that if you know that you want a kid and
you know the person that she was with don't.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Then why are you? And we didn't have that conversation.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
I was I was young and done with the belief
you just started having sex.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I'm not gonna get pregnant in your one, you know,
like I was just like Stone fact here. Not only
are they involved in politics.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Okay, the owner of Coldstone, Doug Doosey, is a Republican politician.
She was a governor of Arizona, also backing Trump, supporting Trump.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Well you know what the owner juicy, you paid for
my asp.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Futhored bikell So.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Speaking of Republicans and all the things, normally they play
a clip for our reactionary okay, and I need your
uh Kendrick specifically because he was unaware that this was
a thing. So so back in January, of course, immediately
following Trump getting in the motherfucking office, Mississippi decided to

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introduce a bill that would find unprotected sex. So it's
the bill is around contraception begins at erection. So so
Sippy got is embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
They might be more embarrassing in Florida.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Okay, some Bible is big and on the bill, listen,
the niggas said, don't even get a hard.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
So a bill to a band unprotected sex without the
intent of procreation has been filed. Here's the surprise by
a Democrat in the Mississippi Senate. The bill is called
Counterception Begins a Direction Act, and while the bill has
caused snarky jokes to be jabbed, the bill's author acknowledge
the intent is to get a political rise, of course,

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but also for people who are against abortion to finally
have reasons as to why the fuck they're planning.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
These stops on women.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
So I went into this and it says that basically
they would introduce bounty hunters and give incentives to women
who are having sex with a man who maybe hasn't
talked about their needs and desires to procreate, and a
woman could go and pretty much submit him to be

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arrested because his intent was to have sex with her
without the purpose of procreation.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Now, when he was reading into this, we were.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Like, okay, so can a man jack often like, is
a man able to ejaculate also without the desire to
have sex. I don't know if it went as hard
as the jack off part.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
But that's what the that's what the language was.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
But the language was around you can't ejaculate unless you
want to have a baby.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, which then he's like.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Tough, But it's.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So about the birth of a nation. That's what it's about, brod.
Have you ever retained your semen?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
What was what was the reason? What? What was you
retaining seamen for? Okay? Look, that's oh, it's pleasure.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
It's pleasure, and sometimes it's exhausting. You come and you're like,
I'm ship. I don't want to do nothing after that.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I want to tell you some tea of that. I
dated an actor in La that I never had sex with.
For a few months.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
We dated. He's great too, you know, and we didn't have.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
You're gonna be like, really, he didn't want to have
sex because he was doing steamen retention because he had
a role coming up.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I was like, nigga, you're not a fighter in the movie,
Like this is a love story. What the fuck? Dog?

Speaker 6 (42:17):
I was so fucking maybe you wanted to really, Look,
I ain't gonna lie to you anything. I mean you
you'll have men about to take a test, you know,
I mean like in school and for real, for real.
It is it encompasses your whole focus when you when
you can't when I can't when I want to fuck,

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I want to fuck, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I can't focus on nothing else. And if I want
to put.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
Everything into whatever a goal, you know, something that I'm
trying to achieve and be productive, because if I don't,
then ain't nobody gonna want to fucking.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Your hard dick in the bed And you can't.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
And then, oh my god, Kendrick, I swear to god,
one day this production house was like, listen, we want you,
we want to do a rewrite. Oh we fucking you
rewrite that motherfucker, and we fucking you ain't got but no,
I do.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
It's and maybe this is where I know we get
into like the gender war topic of it all and
how men women are different, but you may actually be.
Maybe that's like a chemical thing with men, because like
back in the day when I was dealing with athletes,
oh playoffs, I got no dick, they were spoken rings.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
They want, they want there to stop, they.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Need, they need their legs to work. But have you
ever had sex? And try a few weeks ago, shout
out to trip house.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Coming and.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I know.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
You know what Kendrick did say, you ain't never being young,
So nigga, you might just be talking.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
From an old man. I am, I am.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
I got herniated this that let the jacket do look
see Manicus is new and trendy.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yours look like vintage.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It is.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Oh my god, this is a lot of dick. Can
we talk? Can I ask you as much as and
I guess there's.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
What happened the headline, Oh no, no, no, Well I wanted
to go from that to actually asking both of you,
especially because this is what y'all do. Are there any
laws that have been passed that actually do stop or
hinder a man from having autonomy of his decisions with
his body?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Like I'm curious to know, like knowing that this was passed,
but also just to get an uprise, but also knowing
Roe v. Wade was like like was reversed, knowing that
it's kind of easy right now for them to say
women can't do this, women can't do that. Is there
any law that exists that does limit a man's decision
with what he does?

Speaker 7 (44:48):
I honestly don't know, and because but what I do
know is that we have been trying to track and
find where people are trying to flip.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
The script in some of it, some of these ways.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
But What is also very real about the different state houses,
because a lot of these things are happening at the
state left, at the state line right. What's true about
these state houses is that they are still very much
overwhelmingly ran by white men, right, And so to move
a bill that would put any pressure on.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Them is damn near impossible.

Speaker 7 (45:16):
In the state of Georgia, we're trying to move like
progressive maternal health, and that's still impossible, right. Like it's
still an uphill battle to even get midwives credentialing, like
our community based midwives together, Like, I mean, all of
those fights are still hard. So to think about trying
to do something that we know is going to like
put them on the defense, it's damn near impossible to

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think about because the legislatures are not set up that
way and most of our most impacted states right.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Now, I ain't gonna hold you. I signed this bill.
I want it past Kiddrick, would you would bother you
at all?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
So here's my thing.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
I mean, I don't encourage any more incarceration, anymore policings.
I don't I don't encourage anybody to encourage bounty hunters
to do anything. I would not I don't want to
give the state any more power than it has to

(46:11):
do the damage that it does. So I don't believe
you believe in police. I don't believe in prison. Like
to be real, I think all that, But you.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Don't believe in any prisons police.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I am abolitionists.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Oh wow, I think that you know there there's not
accountability in it. If there was an accountability in this
legal system, then somebody would have been held accountable for slavery.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
We can't, I believe, don't want to make prison.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
Yeah, so you you trust the racist ass Let me
tell you, I don't trust anybody.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
That's what I'm saying. But but to me, it's no, no.
What you're saying is that you're likerus.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
You trust the death, which means who's killing people and
who's making that choice.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Who's making that choice.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
So I'm not saying I'm not saying, I'm not saying
I'm not a non violent person, right, Okay, So let
me make it clear. I don't trust white supremacist institutions
to have the responsibility to do anything and to have
the yes or no over anybody's life. And I believe
that these state government and the federal government is very

(47:28):
much a system steeped in white delusion and violence and
created by white supremacists people white people who were I
don't like saying supremacists because that power, it makes them
feel supreme or like that we think that they're supreme
when we don't. We know that they don't, they're not,

(47:49):
and we know that it's delusion.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
It was Sonya and Nate Taylor white delusion.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
And so you know when when I'm thinking about that bill,
it seems more like satire. It seemed like an Onion
article where they trying to say, like, you know what
if we criminalize men the same way that we add
you know, a violent or harmful consequence to women for

(48:20):
a choice that they should have.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
You know how, actually if you just not as much
as satire, but.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Y'all to get an uprise and have these conversations at
if you flip the script, because so many people can
look into like the Bible for reasons and all these
other reasons and just how women have been perceived throughout history, right,
but to actually say this is a bill I want pass.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
What it does is it creates the conversation like these.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
That's why I think is good you know, I think
it's it's good to I don't necessarily I'm not saying
that I don't know the Democrat. I don't know who's
who's doing. I don't know their intention and who they're
connected to and who.

Speaker 7 (48:59):
They're because these types of things, if you're trying to
insert some type of cultural intervention as I like to
call them in the work that I do, but or satire,
whatever it may be, then you have to be connected
to the people, right, and so we don't.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I don't I don't know if this Democrat either, So we.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
Don't know if, like, if they're connected to community, have
they talked to people about this?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Because if you're going to like create some funding paro, like,
we just don't know.

Speaker 7 (49:20):
So if you're if you're if you're trying to put
something in the community to like cause some level of disruption,
then what are you doing to ensure that when you
cause a disruption, that you're creating some level of safety
around those that are gonna inevitably the one inevitably, inevitably
be the ones who will be impacted the most. Because
that's what's going to happen in this type of bill.
It's not going to be the white supremacists or white delusionists, right,

(49:42):
that we are going.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
To get caught up in this.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
Potentially it will be our black brothers, it will be
queer and trans people, it will be those people that
they are going to try to demonize more it doesn't
work in our favor.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Always going to use it against this, And I do
think that, you know, I agree with you that I
think it's useful. I do in conversation to say, hey,
you know, this is the impact that it's having on women.
This is the impact it's having specifically on black women.
This is the disproportionate or whatever however you want to
frame that around the truth, right, But you know, if

(50:17):
you have the same accountability, And I don't want to
call it accountability because it's not really it's just a threat.
It's violence, it's it's harm, you know, it's it's in
it's not proportionate to what is happening, right, It's making
something a crime. I don't like using these big words

(50:38):
like criminalization. It's making something a crime. It's not a crime.
You know what I'm saying to have a hard Yeah,
well I was talking about abortion, but but yeah, but absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,
if I get hard, you know, and I come. I
mean I would have got I would have got arrested yesterday.
But you know, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know.

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Speaker 5 (51:59):
Can I ask you a question with what you're doing
with having these conversations with the organizations, with making headway,
how important is it for men to also be in
these conversations, for them to join these groups, for them
to be marching like I know.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
As women.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Unfortunately, I do feel like our voices are still stunted
in so many areas. I mean, from us being vocalist
for sexual liberation, were immediately shut down because men are like, well,
nobody cares about you holes. As soon as holds have
a goddamn opinion, we don't give a fuck. How important
is going to Oh no, they when we went on

(52:36):
the breakfast club, just are the way we want to
be ethically non monogamous. The voices from men were so
loud and their views on us, How you're gonna be honest?

Speaker 3 (52:46):
You thought it was a lot of women too. Yeah,
I think women.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
We could talk about inequitably being paid in the workplace.
We can talk about people not wanting us to live
or be sexual being But if.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Many were doing what we were doing on the breakfast
club that day, talking about being healthy, being an ethical,
non monogamous relationship, enjoying, sharing sexual story.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
How they're demonizing NEO right now?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
They're not demonizing KOFE though, yes they are. No, I
don't see that. I don't gonna tell you yes, Kofe
was able to answer talk about his life in an
eloquent way. When Neo's sitting there kissing three bitches posting
it for content, It's different when you're For example, the
threat pole I was in worshiped us, talked about us

(53:33):
like we were goddesses. Was excited to share what we
were doing in our lives and having a different type
of respect for us, something I even talk about in
the book.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I feel like we dropping a book too much. I
don't we got something to say. Noel's bar a dual
man effects on sexual exploration. You get it.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Now, make sure you support your independent black owned bookstores
by purchasing that. I feel like I'm going to press
relation and so Noah. So we were out to eat
and this dude was like, yeah, I see you. You got
two bitches, and he was like what. Nigga starts blacking
and was like, yo, I really don't like that. I'm
showing affection at the same time, and Nigga's just looking
at me like I paid for some bitches on with

(54:12):
two hoes, Like this is not my reality. And I
don't think you have a lot of those men. I
don't know if Neo's that guy. I don't think Neo
is presenting himself as that guy. I think a lot
of the ways that his relationship seeing it doesn't even
seem like all women are together all the time, Like
I get it's your dating rich nigga, But to me,
I'm not seeing the same cadence as Kofe had and

(54:33):
people that have the language about ethical nominogamy as what
Neo's doing.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Not that I give a shit hope it is. I
guess this is my question to.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Ben back to, like men being a part of the
speaker and a part of these voices, Kendrick, when you're
around your homeboys, when you're in spaces where whether you're
playing cards, whether y'all drinking, whether you're just hanging out,
are there ever any conversations about abortions? Are there conversations
about at the goal non monogamy? Like are these actual

(55:02):
conversations happening with men that you know?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
And it's and I ask if there are men.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
That you know, because it's visible that you are out
here and that you're fighting for the rights.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I want to know how hard it is.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
To bring just the people that you know into what
you're what you're fighting for.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
So shout out to Kofe. What's up? Man? I know,
I love you, brother. I don't know. I ain't know
nothing about the conversation, but I don't know what. Yeah,
I'm so, I don't know what. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:40):
But but as far as me so, I have and
we have an organization called Build Power Build not bald,
not not both, but building, you know, we build and
ship up. And in one of our programs that are
in compartner to heal, it's just a song is called

(56:04):
Black Pleasure and it's centered around Adrian Murray Brown's you
know access you know, pleasure activism and those types of
conversations where we understand, like you were talking about earlier,
that pleasure is tied to in this country, especially race, economy, right,

(56:26):
economic status, and it makes it seem like the ultra wealthy,
like you know, the Musks and the and the all
these other abusive and evil fools. Billionaires, multi billionaires are
the ones that can afford and deserve access to pleasure

(56:47):
as if they work so much harder than people in
factories and shit, right, and that you did a vacation
or traveling or whatever it is, that pleasurable life is
is unaffordable, and it's something that needed to be bought
and it has a monetary value to it. And so

(57:08):
if you don't have big money, then you don't have
big pleasure. And that's just not how it should be.
Pleasure is part of health. And if like we're sitting
here talking about abortion being the baseline of our rights
and sexual liberation, we're just we're stuck on harm and
how people are criminalizing folks. We can't ever get to pleasure,

(57:31):
which is the place that we should be a healthiest
right and living a pleasurable life, that's what we deserve.
And black people specifically, even in the you think about
black pleasure, you think about taboo, you think about blackness,
you think about you know, how negative healthy, But how
healthy is blackness? How deep is blackness? You know what
I'm saying, How the darkest is good? You know what

(57:54):
I'm saying. I love the night time too, you know,
you know, And so we talk a lot about that.
And even in my family, I've got I've got people
in my family transitioning, questioning their genders. There's different racial
makeups and they're trying to understand who they are and
what they believe about it. And I also have like

(58:17):
really harmful people in my family, you know, people who
are you know, super homophobic, super republican.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
I have all types of you know, points of view,
and usually I'm the one that they come to to
talk about the difficult conversations and yeah, and my homies.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
And I've been like that for a while.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Do you find it easy to have these conversations with men,
specifically men?

Speaker 6 (58:43):
And they don't want to have it for me? Men
will come to me to have the conversation.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Need more men, Nendricks right, Like, we have to create
a safe spaces I have.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
I'm talking to a lot of people right now, men
who are considering their their partner, you know, is thinking
about opening up their relationship. They're thinking about opening up
a relationship. They don't want to open up the relationship.
They do want, you know, whatever it is. And and

(59:15):
it's been like a recurring thing because people's consciousness are
really starting to focus, especially right now because everything is inflation,
Everything is is so chaotic that we're starting to think about, Oh,
I was on the I keep telling this story. I
was on the I was on the stage with you
and we said when when Dominique and all them backstage,

(59:37):
and I said, Bill, power is about building we talk
about building power around things that are most important. And
everybody was like, and I was like, why why is
that so profound? I'm like sitting there thinking like why
is that? I thought I said some real ship before this,
this the first story, and so I was like, we're

(59:59):
building power, I mean, and we think we have two
other programs around state violence and labor and mental health
as well, but we're talking about what's most important, right,
And I was wondering. I said it again because I
got that reaction. I was like, we built power around
things are the most important, and they're like, I think, no,
it's because all of the systems that we have are

(01:00:21):
built around things that are not important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
They're all built around harmful shit.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
They're all built around it's so much easier to get
unhealthy shit than it is to get healthy shit. You
know what I'm saying, in economy around it should be
built around that. We like, you know, I can need
to take a bit, I need to eat, I need shelter,
I need you know, those are the things that we
should be building economy around.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
So I think insects and sex literally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Sounds great, get us a little healthy, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
And I think for us, this is why this is
important for us. You know, we do this reproductive justice work,
and I know that might be a newer way of
people hearing this work because a lot of people are
productive health and rights and they think planned parenthood, they
think of like you know these other organizations that have
that have historically been white lead organizations, right which, no
dis to them, they're doing their job.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
No this, but reproductive justice was created by black women.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
I love that in nineteen ninety four, y'all, So thirty
years ago, black women were sitting at a table saying,
how do we ensure that bodily Atonian human rights are
at the forefront?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
And so that does mean that we want to make
sure that we have the human right to not have children,
and we need to make sure abortion access is not
just a federal right that only gave us a small
portion of what we needed because access was not guaranteed,
but that we have it to the fullest extent. How
do we make sure that we can have the children
that we want and the ways that we want?

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
Where are our midwives, where are our birth workers? Where
are the people outside of.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
This Oh there you know. I was like children, wait a.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Week, Yes, because I think most people think the only
way you can have a baby is you go to
the hospital and you have a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
And that's not true. No, right, it's not having in
your living room wherever you want. You know what I'm saying.
You can have so many in Feenians about that girl.

Speaker 7 (01:01:55):
Oh I'm so excited to talk about it. But also,
I mean, we are dying, We are dying.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Actually want more douelas, just more requirements. My experience, what
I've been hearing about duelas is that people that are
citing to be at home and have complications that Duela
is not as experienced.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
And we have a lot of people that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Are popping up from that spiritual realm of I'm going
to do this bathroom work, crystals whatever. I really want
more kids to be born at home. I think we
just need a little more of a requirement.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
I agree, I think you got to really make training,
but I think you need to think about where you're
getting a doula from. Are you just getting a sister
who is selling crystals at this owner, which there's no
diss that maybe you're a dope ass doula, but are
you actually going to people who have been trying ancient song?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Doula Services is right here in New York City.

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
This is a black woman led organization, Chanelle Portie, who has.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Been training duelists for years. There are so many.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
Different places right that we are actually training people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Absolutely got to look. No, no, not all duelers. But
I will tell you this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
So we have our national Let's Talk About Sex Conference,
which is the largest sexual and reproductive justice conference.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
In the country.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
It is next year, come on, so y'all will be
in the building. And last year Kendrick was there. We
had some really dope folks and Phil Kim came through.
It was dope we had, but we I do was not.
Midwives were in the room. Georgia has has has had
the longest standing grand midwives in the country. These are
midwives who've been catching babies for over forty plus years.
We exist in our communities. So I do think that

(01:03:33):
you need to be very clear about who you are
getting to take care of you and one of the
most precious, sacred moments of your life.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
I was just gonna say, I feel like Erica could
talk to me because yeah, but yeah, I think but
she was trained.

Speaker 7 (01:03:47):
By Shaphia Monroe, who is over the International Center for
Traditional child Birth Right, so she don't catch that baby,
so she's gonna do what she gotta do. Yeah, who
is a grand midwife.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
So I think that there's like so when we were
talking about like mental health, state violence, and sex and
build power, it was it I thought of those as
the areas if you think about sex, politics and religion
that we're taught not to talk about, right, And they're
also the areas where we think of where we really
reveal our values. Right the most that's where you're intimate,

(01:04:19):
and you don't when you your vote is your personal
you know, belief, your so you don't talk about politics.
Sex is between whoever you're in the room, but then
it's supposed to be intimate space, so we don't talk
about that. And that's also where you show how you
really treat people when they're in their most vulnerable state.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
And then religion same thing, Right, Like when you think
about mental health and you're thinking about religion spirituality, that's
where you get your values right, and that's playing out
on a national level with this foolish Christian nationalism, whit.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
Take us out every single day, and we don't we
don't want that to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
But I think if you have, if we have more
assists and support and community centered around those things around sex,
you know, then you would have more support for the
system the doulas that already there's their strong you know,
networks of doulas that already exist. And I don't necessarily
think it's much more about training as support community wide

(01:05:19):
for that, for the thought of that, you know, for
people's minds to be open.

Speaker 7 (01:05:25):
To tell y'all, I this work that I do. I'm
in rooms with like civil rights leaders. I'm in rooms
with folks who are you know, working to abolish all
all the things. I'm in all these different rooms, and
in every and a lot of these rooms that I'm in,
it is still difficult for people to have the conversations
like this, Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
And so we want to talk about voting rights, which
we have to.

Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
We want to talk about the economics of a thing
because we have to, But what we are not talking
about is how bodily autonomy is something that runs through
all of these issues and we want to run away
from it. And so I get sometimes in those rooms
and it's like here comes the lesbian ass girl talking
about did and pusses again, and as you talk about abortion,
like I'm that person in the room which sometimes ostracizes me,

(01:06:06):
you know, from my community. But I'm committed to making
sure that if we are all fighting for black liberation,
which I think that that's what our civil rights leaders want.
I think that's what all of our folks working across
these different movements want. If we are trying to abolish
these systems of patriarchy and the white delusion and all
the things right, then we cannot do that without centering

(01:06:28):
bodily autonomy, sexual health, pleasure, sexual freedom, all of that,
because what we will do is will create a world.
But we can vote right, and we can have the
money that we desire, but we will still be locked
up in all of this trauma around our bodies and
all the things that we were taught or not taught,
or told or not told, and we would then recreate
the same thing that we just tried to break ourselves
away from. So if we don't know center that, we

(01:06:51):
have to center that. So if you were talking about voting,
if you're talking about civil rights, if you're talking about,
you know, human rights and all those different things and
climate any of that. You have to bring it back
to the center of bodily autonomy, being able to make
our own decisions about our bodies, our families, and our future.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
And that's a may draw right there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
That's it draw, Monica Kendrick. Yes, thank y'all forgot Dan
joining us. Thank you for I know that you'd have
took us to school.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
We'dne debated a little bit all the things, Yes, can
you let before we get out? Our listeners know, yes,
where they can find you and how they can be
a part of the movement.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
For sure, So please look out for us.

Speaker 7 (01:07:28):
We are SisterSong dot Net also Sister Song Underscore WOC.
We have powerful programming around all things reproductive justice, in
particular our Trust Black Women campaign that is out here
building a national movement of black women and those who
love us who are ready to fight against any attack
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(01:07:49):
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Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Carrie yilling to be on the front lines. Ken Monica
tapped the TT Did you see that she used them
to this? So hey, do you want to let them know?
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Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
Yeah, Kendrick thirty eight is me. Make sure y'all follow
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know we're gonna be doing doing a lot of things.
Build power. We're gonna be doing a lot and especially
you know my birthday coming up. You know what I'm saying,
I mean your birthday and it's about My birthday is

(01:08:36):
on International Women's Day, so it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Is about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
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Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
And we're going to have our biggest fund one of
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Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So I love it and y'all for Women's History months.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
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Just make sure you support us also, if you want

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Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
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