Real Friends Classic: 206 - My Big Brother With Tom Cavanagh

In this week's episode, JD's older brother drops by Sacred Heart and humiliates his little brother with his lack of ambition. In the real world, Tom Cavanagh joins Zach and Donald to reminisce about the good ol' days, talk tattoos, and how to convince Greg Berlanti to put the guys in the DC Universe.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, guys, what you're trying to get into?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
What day is soon? What you're trying to do? That's
a ringtone right there, Buba.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
That's a fire song.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
By the way, it is a song.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I gotta tell you. Since I told our listeners about
it and you remind you about it, I've been singing
it NonStop. It's like, you know how you usually get
like a summer hooky song in your head. My summer
hooky song in my head is what you're trying to
get in.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm that's amazing because twenty years ago your summer song
was turn me inside out. So I can't speak because you're.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Every we.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
When I when I got out.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Michelle Branch knows how many shout outs she gets on
this podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, she should know because she's not alone.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh oh, I I think Michelle Branch must be aware
that how many times over the years I've spoken about her.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Do you think Michelle Branch gives two shits about us?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Do you think? Yes? I think Michelle Brand likes any
people that are talking about a song she wrote twenty
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I hear that, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I learned what happened to her.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
She joined a so she she I think she got married,
had kids, joined a band.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Doesn't mean she gave up her musical she did.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
She was. She's in a band right now. It's her
and another young lady and they do a they do
music together.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
But the fuck would they do as long as they
cover Ebby?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
To me, they do very they do, uh that very good.
Casey put me onto them because you know how Casey
works in music sometimes, And she put me onto them
and was like, Yo, she's dope. She joined a band.
I rocked.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I rock out to her in my trouble. You know,
I've been thinking about putting my my my sort of
girl pop workout list on the on on on the
web so people.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Can do that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, do that ship, yeah, because iTunes needs that. Yeah,
people listen. I can never find a workout playlist that
suits my needs. Right. A lot of people clearly agree
with you on on rap and hip hop because if
you go on like the standard playlist on iTunes or wherever,
they're all like ninety five percent that and and like

(02:06):
hits one is all like stuff I don't listen.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
To, like Wu Tang do you don't listen to the
Wu Tang?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I don't listen to no I don't listen to Wu Tang.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Do you know who? But you know who method man is.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, of course he was in Garden State.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's right, that's right. But you know he's in it.
You do know that he is in a band with
about twelve people call other Wu Tang members.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
There's Wu, There's Tang, there's clan.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm gonna say some names, and you're gonna be like, oh, yeah,
I've heard of them. Of course, A dirty bastard.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Of course I've heard of him. He was, he was,
he died.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, Yes, he did. The Rizza, Yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I can picture him, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
The Riza.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We hung out with him one night and you spell
it rza.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I know that. Yeah, we hung out at chateau. He
came through and kicked it with us that night. We
would hang You're not supposed to talk about chateau on
this actually, so let me take that back. Well, you
know what happens at the chateau is supposed to stay
at chateau.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right now, you can't be dropping chateau things. I hung
out with Drake at the chateau.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Once you see, look at you spilling the beans.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, get ahead. Who else Rizza ODV method Man, method Man,
ghost Face Killer. Yeah, I've heard of him. I can't
picture his face. I can't you God, you God, I
don't know you God. The jizzer, I don't know the jizza.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's the genius, uh inspector deck. There you go.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Wow, there's a big band. A lot of people in
this band.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
People. Oh yeah, it's a huge band.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
You really like their music a lot?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Are you kidding me? I smoke on the mic, like
smoking Joe Frazier, the hell Raiser, raising hell with the flavor,
terrorizing jams, like troops in Pakistan, swinging through your town,
like your neighborhood spy. The man so armed, TikTok keep ticking.
Come on, now, you don't know nothing about the wu
tang okay I came yo e t h o d

(03:52):
man e t h o d man. Hey, you get
off my cloud. You don't know me and you don't
know my now you don't notice.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I have a question though, when you when you have
a big like rap supergroup like that, are there they
all dirty?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Baby? I got your money, don't you worry?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I said, Hey, I know that song. Yeah, that's before
you go into another song. I have a question. Do
they all take turns like I'm gonna rap now, all right,
now you're up you rap now that kind of thing,
like like like they take turns.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, some of them have like a connection. So remember
run DMC growing up, Yeah, right, yes, yes, yes, the
Adidas my Adidas, right, those two had a connection. So
when they rapped, they could when they rhyme, they could
bounce off of each other. Some people it's like you
and I, how we have a good uh how we
have good chemistry? Same thing with rappers, right, and you

(04:46):
look for when you're a rapper, you look for that
person that you have chemistry. Drake and Future have really
good chemistry together. So they do a lot of records together.
And so it's the same thing you know, uh in
in the Wu Tang because it was so big, the
wo was so big, there are little tiny groups with
inside the sub groups within the Wu. Right, So ghost

(05:07):
Face and uh ghost Face and Ray Kwana Chef. That's
the one I forgot to mention. I should have put
Ray Kuana. He got the best. He got probably the
best bill for Cuban Linx is probably the best Wu
Tang record in my opinion. It's got so many good
songs on it. Anyway, ghost Face and Ray Kwan do
very well together and on record they bounce off of

(05:30):
each other very well. So they are Now who's your favorite?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
If you had to pick one member of the Wu
Tang clan, that's like your favorite rapper in the group.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
The Jizz, the Genius, I like him a lot. I
liked o dB a lot. I like I like Meth
Method man, I like I like all of you. To
be honest, are they still Are they still? Like ghost
Face got somebody when the world's normal?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Do they still tour?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I hope? So it's a lot of egos, man, it's
a lot of them, man, how do you do that?
How do you That's like? Look, the Jackson five couldn't
stay together and they were brothers. How do you do it?

Speaker 1 (06:08):
When we go on the road eventually touring this show,
I feel like your ego is gonna soar like an
eagle out of control.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It depends on if they.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You're gonna want, You're gonna have demands, you're gonna have
in your rider. There's gonna be all sorts of rules,
no eye contact.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It all depends on how loud they applaud for me
if they applaud for you louder then they applaud for me,
I feel like I'll fall into a little you know,
back into a way. Well, we're gonna Dan when going
applaud for me more than they applaud for you. You
damn right, man, I want my bus to be bigger.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, we're gonna measure up. We're gonna have the same bus.
Listen when Dan, We're gonna bring Dan and Joel, and
Dan's gonna bring his thunderous applause button, so we'll be
able to augment whatever the crowd does. We'll be able
to augment the audience. You ever were looking at an award
show and you hear the applause on an award show
and then you look around and no one's clapping. Yeah,
like like like no one in an award show is

(07:02):
paying attention, so that they they'd be like a third
of them clapping, so they just augment all this thunderous applause. Well,
that's gonna be what Dan is doing for us.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
When we're on tour with this show. So before we
before we start the show, Dan will be like, all right,
so I need some thunderous applause from you. Guys. Okay, everybody,
and now I need some laughter, need some laughter.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, no, no, bro, he's just gonna bring it. It'll be,
it'll be, it'll be a button.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, hell yeah, he's gonna be. He's gonna bring it.
Dan always brings it.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, Dan's gonna bring it, dude.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
He's gonna bring it. Of course he brings it. We're
gonna applause.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I think we're probably gonna play arenas and and we're
gonna and we're gonna need to do sound checks at
these arenas.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
If we play arenas, imagine that. Imagine we go to London. Yeah,
and what's the big arena to the O two two
and we play the O two That would be the
best day of my life. I'm gonna tell you something
right now, London, make it, make it happen. Let's put
it out there like that shit.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Listen. I'm sure, I'm sure we're gonna be playing like
four hundred seed theaters. But in reality, let's secret it
that we sell out the O two arena for fake
doctor's real friends.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
That would be the best. That would be the best
night of my life. Listen.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
You got to put ship out there. You got to
put outrageous ship out there and make it come true.
Remember I told you about the whiteboard. You'd get a
whiteboard and you write the most outrageous ship you want
to have happened in your life and you look at
it every single day.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Who'd you say, did that? Well?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I have a lot of people in my life have
told me this, but the great the anecdote I referenced
on the show was I'm friends with John Legends manager
and they her name is Ti and they went to
a high school together. And she said, when he first started,
they got a big whiteboard and they were putting them out.
They were like, let's be outraged, like I don't know,
cover of Time magazine, like this, many Grammys. They were

(08:55):
like sitting there laughing about the outrageous ship they were
putting on this whiteboard. And she to me and she said,
every single thing on that whiteboard happened. And she said,
now I do whiteboards with all my clients and and
like you know, so anyway, it's about manifesting, it's about
making shit happen. I have a whiteboard in my bedroom
and I'll some some things on there are like goals

(09:15):
I have, and some things on there are like outrageous.
I mean, obviously we're not gonna sell its arena, but
I'm saying you can.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You can put that shit on the board. It could happen.
It happened for John Legend. Man, the dude's got egot.
He got the egot. Let's make it happen.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Well, maybe we have to bring John Legend. If it
was like if we open for John Legend, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Let's call on Legend.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, man, listen, the guy's got an egot. Okay, So
put your egot on your board. I believe in it
because you look at the board every day, and even
in your subconscious brain, your mind is going, I'm gonna
find a way to work on that today. I'm gonna
make that call I'm afraid to make. I'm gonna, you know,
for some people, it's fitness. They're like, you know what,
I just looked at that whiteboard, and I gotta get

(09:57):
on the treadmill today. I promise myself.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I like her. I'm gonna I'm gonna put the white
board in my in my bedroom, get white share it
with Casey, and I'm gonna be like, baby, let's put
the most outrageous Yes, on this board.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm telling you listeners, this is the you know, Brene Brown,
very popular. This is our Brene Brown moment. This is
our self help motivational moment on Fake Doctor's Real Friends.
You can make anything happen.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Okay, dude, I love this. I love this. I love you.
I love that we did this together, the four of
us and our and our listeners. Yeah, what's you make
that shit happen? Let's do I have a sweatshirt on
today because my wife of those Bieber things. No, it's
Mickey Mouse, you.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Know, my my my forty something crisis is being managed
by just getting lots of tattoos.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Nice. Good for you, man.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I was always afraid to get tattoos because my father
hated them. And when my sister died, I got her
name in Hebrew on my on my arm, and my
father kind of like was okay with that because it
was you know, meaningful and it was Hebrew. And then
when he pass way, like I realized that so much,
even though I was in my forties, I still was
so nervous about what my father would think. And then

(11:07):
I was like, all right, it's time to fucking tattoo
the ship out of myself right on.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
So you're gonna have a sleep soon.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, I don't know about a sleep. But where do
you want your face? When I get it, I was
thinking my left areola.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I was thinking your face for sure. I mean, what
if I.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Did you on my pictoralus major and then listen and
then your mouth was open, but then in your mouth
was my left ariola.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's weird. That's weird. I prefer you just got my
face on your face, like you took my face and
tattooed it on your face.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Episode about this.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
No, I didn't say on his whole face, like my
face on his cheeks. I don't know. Second, I don't
see I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Jellify his black face. If I Joe, can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
You can?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
All you can think of him painting my face on
his face.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Wouldn't face off text, but like a tattoo.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
For right, No, it would be an outline.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Joelle, Joelle, it would be an outline. Joelle's like now
managing all of our black face issues. She's like, guys,
sounding like that might be black face. Hey, guys, I
got to chime in here. That sounds like it might
be black face. Joelle would be an outline. It wouldn't
be like colored in, it would be it would be
an outline of Donald's face.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, I would just want it on your cheek or
on your forehead, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Any Way, the guy tattoos me told me that we
were talking about all these young kids that are getting
tattoos on their face and how ridiculous it is. And
he said that he's really surprised that any of these
artists are doing it because there's sort of this unwritten
code amongst tattoo artists that you would never put a
tattoo on a young person's face, right, and because for

(12:44):
obvious reasons, And he said, and now that there's this
fad of it happening, he thinks that they're all just
doing it for Instagram fame, because these kids are often,
you know, famous people, and they're doing it saying, fuck it,
I'm gonna get my fifteen minutes of fame. But you know, obviously,
get these young people that are all tattooing the share
of their faces.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Dude, you might not be able to get the money later,
you know what I mean, Get the money now if
you can. That's that's the that's the yolo man. You
only live once you know, are.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
You would tattoo a child's face?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Donald, I'm not. First of all, I am not a
tattoo artist, so I'll never have to put myself in
this situation.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
You just told these sex guys and tattoo someone's face.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm saying, the reasoning behind it is this, dude, do
you You don't listen. If scrubs didn't happen, you don't
know what you would have done to make them to
make ends meet. If you're acting, if you're acting and
directing stuff, you know what I mean? You could have
gone into a business that you might not be proud of.
You might be. You might Instagram model right now and

(13:45):
a dong talking about followers.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I love how these girls Instagram influenced people. They took
like a little time off for COVID and the Black
Lives Matter movement, and now they're all back fucking tushes
in the air, selling tea on some yacht and a visa.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh my god, yolo. Nobody says yolo anymore, they say
these days. I don't know TikTok dancing. I've been inside
so long, I have no idea what the kids are saying.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
While they're all on some old guy's yacht doing a
TikTok dance. But you know what, they must have put
that shit on the white board.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Imagine that was on the white board. Imagine that's the
white board. I bet you want to be that's their
fucking whiteboard.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I want to be on a yacht having somebody pay
for it, making that Instagram money.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's what's up. That's what hey there it is. Go
for yours, listen. That's what I say to everybody and
anybody out there who has dreams and they want fame.
As long as you don't disrespect nobody or hurt nobody,
go for yours. Man.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, but if you can try and go for something
that contributes to society in some meaningful.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Way, sure you can. Aren't yourself later on? You got
everybody has something to say. I miss you so much
at Her, I miss you so much more. Dude.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Should we get into the show? Tom Kavana's here.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm so excited about count seeing six seven stories about
show we made about a bunch of dogs, and nurses said,
he's the story is news. So get round you here,

(15:28):
yea here.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
And.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
What a show? What a show we have today? Donald,
It's a really good episode and the hilarious Tom Cavanaugh's here.
We have so much to say. Let's just get in, Dan,
allow him into the room. Here he comes. I haven't
seen him in years. I haven't seen him in years.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Tom call look at some.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Applause, Dan thunder a plause.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Look at how handsome you. It's like, look at you
and look at him, like.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Look at in the mirror.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
It's that's that's pandemic.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
You've got the pandemic face going on.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Now. You did get more handsome with age, Tom Cavanaugh,
And I can say that because people think we look alike.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
This is true. I can say, likewise, my friend, look
at you guys, My goodness, gracious, I'm so good, so
good to see your faces. Holy man, see.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Your Are you living in Canada or do you live
in the US?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Still well, I live in New York, but I film
a show in Canada, and when the pandemic hit, I
stuck it up north. Hi, Joel, I'm Tom.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
I'm nice to meet you in person. I listened to
you guys, so I've sort of been familiar with that.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Do you know what? I watched your show? Right? You know?
I watch your show.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I don't know that, but I know you have like
twenty seven children, so I figure maybe in that demo
some well.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
But not watching it for his kids. He's watching it
for him.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So for me, I love the Flash. Dude, are you
kidding me? That's trumandic gott a dynamite cast.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Donald is your target, tom he watches all of this stuff.
C W is a bunch of teams window.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
How does how did listen? Man? Are you? Is this
the only?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Man?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Listen? Man? Is this the only Wells? Now? Are you
the only?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Is this the final Wells? Because the Mousie Verse, the
crisis happened and everything happened. You know, there's only what
like four earths five earths now in the whole arrow Verse,
and now Supergirl lives on Earth one with you guys,
And I don't know. My point is. My point is,
let the man fucking speak, dude, No, no, no, keep going.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
He's getting worked up, Tommy.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm really excited because I really do love the show.
I really do love the show. Now you and Cisco
Ramone together, I love Wells and Cisco Ramon. I love
the whole thing. So look, my question is, are you
the only Wells left now that you've gone off and
you've become pariah and everything like that is just the
only Wells there is.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Here's what's ridiculous about doing the show, a superhero show.
I run into people like like you, and I just
I am so inferior with my knowledge. I'm like, you
know more, you know more than me. And I'm not exaggerating.
I'm not trying to play Donald like. I understand by
listening to you that you have a better grasp of

(18:16):
the whole thing than I do. I feel like, as
you guys know, when you do a long running television show,
if there needs to be another Wells, there can be
another Wells.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's what's up. I thought they were. Yeah. Absolutely, here's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Can you explain, Donald? First of all, catch your breath,
calm down. Okay, you're embarrassing us in front of our guests.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Listen. This is this is exactly what I did to
George lucas Man. This is exactly what.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I can get too high. And by the way, when
this show's over, he's gonna take a nap because he's
gonna get woozy. He gets very amped up and then
he gets woozy.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
This is what. This is all the fans out there
who were wondering how I geek out when I when
I meet or talk to people that do something that
I'm like, holy shit about this?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Right here? I can't breathe right now. I sweating. I
know I have a sweatshirt on, but I'm sweating under here.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
All right, But calm down now. For those of you
who don't know, Tom is on the Flash. And as
I understand it, with the c W Superhero shows, you
bounce around to the other shows in the same universe,
right and they all they're all under the Greg Burlany umbrella.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I'm guessing.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yes, the golden Boy of Hollywood that used to be
Bill Lawrence is now Greg Burlanty and has he has
four hundred shows on the air.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah. Part by the way, my very first job, Tom
cavin well first lead in the movie was Broken Hearts Club,
Greg Burlanni's first movie. That's tremendous, and and now and
and and he we went to Northwestern together and he
now he's like, has the most shows on television of anybody.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
You and I when we were talking about doing your podcast, Uh,
the text that came up right next to that text
the last time we talked. Can I can I read
a text that you as long.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
As it's not like you up, it's quite It's like
four in the morning and I'm hammered. You up.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's solid comedy. It's you say, tell Berlany, I want
to do a cameos reverse Flash's brother. I say done.
You say, totally unbuild though a surprise. But I'll need
special powers. I say, make a list, power list, nothing
with heavy hammers. That shit is boring. You say, laser

(20:22):
eyes please. I say those are free.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
That sounds great.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I feel like it's a miss.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Why did that never happen?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I know what I feel like now that I've done this,
and I know that Donald wants to be on board,
I feel like now it's just now. Now you're forcing
his hand because you're putting it out to the public,
and I was going to have to hire you.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
We were talking about white boards and putting manifesting your
destination onto white boards. This is on my white board.
I'm putting it out there right now.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I want to call Brilanny and I had to call
him about something else, but I want to call Brilanny
and say listen, Tom said, I could be on the show.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, because I have that kind of yes.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I spoke to.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
He said, like, hang on a second, Tom, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's got he's got so many he's got so many shows.
He's like Tom Tom Tom Tom he is, I know
he is. And then he called he calls to a secretary.
Do we still do Flash? Yeah? But by the way,
how funny would that be if Donald and I came on?
I mean, I don't, to be honest, I don't. I

(21:26):
don't get breathless about this superhero stuff like Donald, but
he really loves it. So sorry, I digress.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
You should do the other thing you should do Donald.
You should figure out knowing it as you do. You
should figure out what the what the role is that you.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Want because I know what role I want. There's what
do you want? I want mine?

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Don't say mine.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I kind of like, listen, I'm gonna put it out there.
What do you want to open? You guys kind of
opened it up when Arrow ended, And I know, I'm
not sure if you guys are allowed to touch it.
You kind of touch on it in Stargirl. But I
think Green Lantern needs to be in this, you know
what I mean. Joelle is a Joel's a big fan

(22:05):
of this world too, And there's so many There are
so many that are in the Lantern core and I
know that you know. And also size doesn't matter when
you're a Lantern. You could be tiny, you could be why,
you could be right, come on, man. Anyway, My point
is I think that's one character that would be a
lot of fun to play, you know. They there's so

(22:27):
many people in the DC universe. But if I had
a choice and they were willing to do it, I
would love to be Green Lantern.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
All right, And I think I think that's really special.
And dear to Greg, so I think that's great You're
making this happen.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
New Slash and the Green. Can the Green Lantern be
forty six?

Speaker 4 (22:48):
He could be anything, he could be any Look, I'm
playing the reverse Slash. I'm not a yellow. I'm wearing
a yellow super suit.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
And sorry Tom for those of us who don't know,
and I'm sure of our listeners don't know. Can you
just explain in in non superhero terms what reverse Flash means?
Is there a young guys flash.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yes, there's a good looking It's kind of like when
we did Scrub, Like a good looking, handsome guy is
the lead, and then they cast this guy as his
brother Bill Lawrence had lost a bet somewhere. So basically
a young guy Tom.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
When you insult your looks, you insult my looks. So
you're a handsome you look like to me when you
when you when you came on, I thought we got
I thought we got Tom Kavanaugh. Why is Brad Pitt
on the podcast?

Speaker 4 (23:35):
That's what that's what you thought?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Okay? Sorry? What is the Reverse Flash? For those of us?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
So he's the he's the Joker to the Batman, the
Lex Luthor to the he's the bad guys that we have.
A young fellow, Grant Gustin plays the Flash and the
arch Enemy is the Reverse Flash. He wears a red suit,
and I play the arch Enemy the reverse Slash e
art on. I wear a yellow suit. And that's kind
of it.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Are you doing lots of stunts and fighting? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah? Can you imagine it's crazy? You know that bucket
list that you have as an as an actor, and
you want to do this theater, You want to do
this show. You want to do something like shows, you
want the whiteboard.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, we started, we started the show time before we
came on talking about just manifesting things by putting on
a whiteboard and staring at it and me it.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Was weird to be in your green room and not
have the speakers going. I'm like, I wonder what they're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
We were talking about you, we were talking about manifesting,
and then you well.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
That's exactly. That's a great that's such a great call.
This is one of those things I never would have
expected to do a superhero show, and it's a you know,
in terms of a bucket list, it's it's so fun.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, you guys look like you have a lot of
fun on it.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And it has no end in sight. On your show,
it has no end in sight. I mean, I just
feel like the Greg Briland keeps adding more and more
to this, to this world, right, I don't know if
they're all they all must be successful because they all
keep going.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
I honestly, I honestly don't know. I never would have thought.
I think when they started a number of years ago,
they had uh and they've done super No, it was
the Superman show, small though, and then they did Arrow
and Arrow I think did well. And then but when
we started Flash, you guys, you guys all know how
it is. We started flashing. I said to my wife, well,

(25:13):
this'll be this will be canceled in seven so I'll
go up to Vancouver from New York and we'll shoot
and then it'll get canceled. Because even at that time,
I had done two shows for Greg and both of
them had, you know, been canceled relatively quickly, because that's
just how it goes. And so I didn't foresee it,
you know, I just I never expected to go, and
this thing seemed to go. And even when you say

(25:34):
there's no end in sight, I still expect that you'll
just get the call. Hey, so yeah, we're done.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You just never know.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
For those for those of you not in the entertainmentustry,
we just we just never know.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
You get you get a show like Scrubs and you're like, oh, yeah,
this could go six episodes and then it goes nine years,
or you know, or or you know, Donald's did this
show and it when a season, and I did a
show when a season. You just have every single time
it's a roll of the dice, no matter no matter
how many good ingredients there are, you just never know.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah. Yeah, and most of the time the numbers are
it's gonna get canceled.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's not going to go right, especially now more than ever,
because you know, it's there's so much content. How the
hell does the something fine eyeballs? You know, and you're
on the classic old school true network.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
You know, you guys do twenty four episodes a season.
Do you know what it's like to be able to
do something like most I remember? I remember I did
a show called The Exes right after Scrubs.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Right of course.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, we did ten episodes a season. That was it
for an actor. It's like, wait, well, hold on, let's
I want to be I want to work all year
round if I possibly can. It was really weird to
work ten episodes and then have all of this time
off until you came back and did another ten. Or
you would do what we would do thirty and they

(26:56):
would just chop it up into episodes. It was like
you never really find you never really find a pace
or a footing. It's like, well, how long are we going?
We're only going to do ten twenty two? You guys
seem to you know, you live in Canada right now? Yes?

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah? Is it Vancouver, Vancouver, Canada, Conifers Jewel of the city.
Have you guys been I have.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I love that town too.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think it's a beautiful city. I love it there.
I was there when the sun was out and it
was magnificence. Yes, And then I was told that it's
not always like that, and I don't know if I
would if I would like it rainy.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
It's yeah, it's a it's a question of taste, like
when the sun shines. There's no finer place. I don't
mind the rain. But I think if you were somebody
that didn't like rain and preferred like seasons in snow,
then this city would not be for you. But it
really is. It really is a coniferous jewel of a city.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
And are you mostly on stages and such or do
you go out and shoot on locations and stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
It's it's almost follows a pretty regular schedule where we
do a lot of stage work early in the week
and then we do all this the stunt stuff. You know,
it's always you know, so Thursday, Friday nights, we're gonna
be we're gonna start at you know, five pm, or
we're gonna go all night and we're gonna like, you know,
have the guy run up a building and fight a
monster and then like we're gonna come back and win, you.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Know, So you kind of you kind of you kind
of have to stay in shape for this thing, like
you're you're asked to do way more than you expected
to do when you started. Huh.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Hey, it's a blessing and a curse, you know, because
the other thing is too is as you guys know too,
Like I mean, I'm older than you guys, but there's
a there's a thing where you when you were a
young actor, you could be vain, but you wouldn't really
matter because you're probably gonna look fine, you know. And
then you get a little bit older, and then your coach,
the people you're acting with, your co actors are twenty

(28:40):
eight twenty nine, you know, and they are fantastic, and
then there's you, you know, and he's he looks great
in the suit. And then you can't really be on
the donut diet while you're on the suit, so you
kind of have to keep keeping in shape, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
And so it's do you hang out with Jesse l
Martin a lot?

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Jesse is a legend, as you guys know, coming from her.
He's just he's amazing. He's got this thing sus because
he's the captain. You know, he can he work it
with a hat and an overcoat. He doesn't have to
worry too much of it. You know. He's just like
he's kind of like he runs. He basically is the
beating heart, you know, runs the show, the center of
you know, reason, and uh, you know he's he's got

(29:20):
a great job and appreciates it.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
So Tom when ed, when the show ed, I want
to talk about that. When it came out, I was
an unemployed actor and my mom called me very very
concerned that I that I that I had gotten a
lead in the TV show and not told her because
she didn't understand why why I was on billboards all
over the country.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
And is true, that's how it is.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean, no, it is, I mean she she she
obviously sused that it was not me, but she was like,
there is a young man who's on every billboard in
town and he looks a lot like you. And I
remember thinking, oh, yeah, mom, that's that's not me. Uh yeah,
I'm still still trying to get some auditions going and

(30:07):
uh and it was really humbling because I was like
that fucking guy who looks exactly like me as a
as a hit show leading role on NBC. Now, no
one's ever gonna hire me. By the way, Dak Sheppard,
who also looks like us, told me this. He was
like when I was, when I was, you know, became
famous and was all over the place. He was like, well,

(30:28):
how is this gonna fuck my career? Because I look
like that guy and that guy's already working and so anyway,
I wanted to talk to you about Ed and tell
us I imagine that was your big break, right, I mean,
I know you worked a bunch, but that was your
first your own show, right for sure?

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I mean, first off Dax's and you have done quite
well for yourselves.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, I worked out guys so's Ray Romano.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes it worked out, it.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Didn't work out, but yeah, I had done I'm Canadian
and I had I moved to New York City and
I think eighty nine to do Broadway. I did like
a decade of theater and I absolutely loved it, absolutely,
one hundred percent loved it. And then I had done
a small guest spots for literally for ten years on ABCNBC.

(31:17):
Back then there was like just the four right, and
I'd done a show called Providence and then But I
had no idea of the profile that you guys enjoyed
on Scrubs because the shows a lot of the shows
that I had done when they were television shows or series.
I've done a couple of series in Canada, they were
Canadian shows, and there's no cross border pollination between the

(31:39):
two countries. In other words, you'll shoot a show in
Canada and you'll do ten episodes, but everybody in Canada
is watching Friends, you.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Know, So who's watching these Canadian shows?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Well, it's it's different. In Canada. There's a federal mandate
for these television shows, so they do them, and some
of them are quite quite good. And there's not a
there's not a mill the way there is behind the
entertainment industry and the States. Up in Canada, it doesn't,

(32:12):
you know. Part of the ethos of the country is like, well,
let's not get too big for ourselves then, you know,
and so and in the States it's very much the opposite,
like let's see how we can build up and how
big we can get. And why that why that ethos
is good is that you know, you you if you're
working as an actor, you're working largely because you love

(32:33):
it because a lot of the attention, at least back then.
Now it's different because everything can be found. But back then,
you know, you were you were doing the same stuff
we would do on Scrubs that you'd come to set
and there's all the you know, the crew, and there's
the people and it's and it's great and you love it.
And then you leave set and it's still the exact
same experience. It's just that you're not going to radio

(32:55):
City Music Hall and doing the upfronts, you know what
I mean. And so but it's nice in this way
because you understand that, oh, this is this is what
I love to do. And by the time I got ed,
like you know, fifteen years later, it was I was
aware enough that it was it's still the same experience.
And so even though suddenly, like you say, there was

(33:15):
like billboards plaster all over the place, I was readily
aware that you know that that was all that that
can get ripped away and it's semi superficial, and so
I think that was a nice little I don't know
what it would be like to have your face plastered
all over the place when you're in your mid twenties.
I think it would be a I think it would
be a tough fight.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
We didn't. We didn't get a big billboard buy right,
Why the NBC didn't go They certainly went all in.
Whoever made the billboard decision for ED went all in,
And by the time Scrubs came on, they were like, dude,
remember a few years ago we shot our billboard budget
on ED. We have no billboard Scrubs.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, I'm so sorry about that, because why that's why
you guys didn't get that big bill But what was
funny is like I remember when the when Scrubs started,
how just how much of a splash it made. I'm
sure you can remember, and it's not lost on you,
how like big a deal that that was. Like that
show was so important, it seemed at the time.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
It was bizarre for us because also, you know, we
compare it to now, you know, the amount of people
watching a single TV show just doesn't happen anymore, especially live,
we really even at all, but let alone live when
it's airing. So it was a completely different eras that
would watch.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Our worst at our worst TV shows. Now, if they
got our worst numbers right, yes, they would be considered
hit shows. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, Noie, Tom, was was ed written for you?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Or did you audition?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
No? No, no, no, they didn't No, no, that was again,
that was NBC. They didn't want me at all, Like
we had to. They went through, I think a year
of casting known people and you know, better humans, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
And then well, you know, just just so people that
weren't in the entertainment industry know, they'll often try and
get a known star that's right, and if that doesn't
always work out for the reasons, and then they go, okay,
well let's start to read people that aren't famous yet,
and which is when this is how people like the
two of you. Well, yeah, I mean exactly exactly. It's

(35:21):
exactly how both Tom and I got our parts exactly.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I was like the third I think, the third round
or so of doing it. The only reason I had
that job. I remember how generous you were at Bill's
fortieth and we had the party, and he was you know,
you were like, you were just so gracious about because
you're clearly incredibly talented, and yet you had the wherewithal

(35:45):
to say, I owe so much to this guy. And
I had the same story. There's a Robernette and John
beckhaman who ran the Late Show with Letiman, were those
are the guys that the only reason I got the
job is those guys said this is the guy, and
you know, they managed to have enough stock that people
would listen to them. And without without somebody standing up

(36:07):
for you, sometimes you just it just doesn't you know,
it doesn't go your way. Those people are the only reason.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I got that job.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Do you know how many odd times you auditioned.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
I know I auditioned once in Los Angeles, and you
know how it is when you're like, oh, that that
went well. You feel good about it, but I was
also like, okay, it was pilot season and it was
like one read during the day, but it felt good.
And then then they called me to have the the
sessions that they do. They have a studio session and
network session, and it was very It was like and

(36:40):
this is I hope this isn't boring.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I don't mean to talk about.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
But they we went and we had to do it.
It was at CBS at the time. By the way,
I don't know if you guys know that show that
was CBS, not NBC, and CBS ultimately didn't think so
they got picked up at CBS, and then CBS ever
aired the show, and then a year later NBC picked
it up, which is weird.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So that never happens.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
It never happened.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Every time you make a pilot, it's always such a
bizarre thing, both when I've been in them or when
I've directed them. You put so they put so much
money in, they put so much work in, and then
a network chooses what they choose, and then the disc
cards are like they have like the smell of shit
on them. No one will touch them, and it's like,
it's like, what someone just spent six million dollars making
this pilot. You could look at it and maybe RecA

(37:28):
maybe you could recast some things, you could you could
reshoot half of it, whatever, Well, why are you throwing
it all the way? It's so it's always a bizarre
waste of money to me, because there's there's diamonds in
the rough that no one is So this situation is
very rare that then another network weave man will take it.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
I don't know that it ever happened before with CBS.
I think from what I the only reason that that
happened was again because Robert Nette and ran the Letterman show.
It was because Letterman had such a big he was
such a big paycheck, he was such a big entity
at the time. That was the only reason I think

(38:05):
that that that card. If a producer didn't have that
card to say that would probably have never never happened.
But when I went into to read, you know, ostensibly
the thing was a comedy with heart, and so you know,
you know, you know how these it's so funny how
these things change. So I went in to read. I
was solid and funny in the room and made them laugh.

(38:27):
And then normally, okay, the job is yours, this is
at the network read. But then somebody there's you know,
twenty five people in the room, and somebody starts going,
but but what about this this I don't like this
about him? And then that sort of you know, you
see that the next thing you know you had it
and then you don't have it right. And I remember
Rob and John came out and Rob was he had
this real serious face and he's like, look, so they

(38:50):
don't know if you can they don't know if you
can do straight drama. So even though it was a
comedic scene about a guy finding out that his wife
is eping, with a mailman and they're like, you just
need to do that scene again and throw out all
the comedy and play it like, you know, play it
like a Shakespeare tragedy. I was like, okay, oh my god.

(39:11):
And I went in and did that and you know,
just completely straight as possible, and they were like, okay,
he can he can do that too.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's so amazing, the exact same speech I got pretty
much really fucked up. Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
When they weren't saying he fucked up. Donald legit fucked up.
He didn't say he fucked up.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
No, I didn't. When I wore audition for Scrubs, I
got real big in the audition because it was a
comedic scene, and I got real big and animated, and
Bill had to come out and be like, dude, tone
that ship down.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, because it's funny, as you know, like I think,
sometimes an executive here's another executive speaking, goes, I better
weigh in as well, you know. So suddenly they're like
he's big, Yeah, he's too big, Yeah, he's too bid.
Suddenly it becomes this thing and you're like.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh, no, if actors, only if actors who have yet
to be in one of these rooms only knew.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oh my gosh, the.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Tight you're walking to try and get a fucking roll. Yeah,
oh dude, and how it just it just falls on
one person being like, I don't know what if, and
then all of a sudden you didn't have the part anymore,
and you had the part for a second.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah right. I've been in a room and watch somebody
destroy it, like kill it, come in and destroy it,
and then someone else come in and do a really
good job but not destroy it. And I saw, well
the first person obviously, and one person in the room
was like, well, you know what, I'm not sure they

(40:33):
actually look like the part. You know what, You're right,
they don't necessarily look like the part. And all of
this doubt happened, and the person that crushed it did
not get the role, and the person that just did
good got the role.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Because there was getting tense just listening to this.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
I was on working on something and this girl came
in and she was young, you know, she was like
a young Jennifer Gardner type. She was really pretty, she
was early twenties and super excs expressive and funny, and
I thought that she should get the part. Another girl
came in very very funny. Well, you could have done
it too, but I preferred the first girl. I thought
she was better. One of the executives goes, regarding the

(41:11):
first girl, the young Jennifer Garner type, She goes, she's
very expressive. Should we worry about her wrinkling early? Oh?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Now, mind you, this is like a twenty early twenty
something year old girl and she's very pretty. And the
not only is that the most ludicrous thing you can
ever imaginenother human being saying, but in your mind, the
show is going to go so many years that her
wrinkles that come from her being expressive were going to

(41:45):
be a problem. I mean, it was the most ludicrous
thing I've ever heard of them a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
It's appalling. It's appalling. The other part of it is
actors can act, you know, and so so I don't
how many times, so like you've done a thing and
then like, yeah, the feedback is, yeah, we wanted it
a little bigger.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
It's like say that ship, you know, say that ship.
Why don't you let me do the whole audit? Listen, man,
why did you let me do the whole audition? That
big then if that's the case, somebody in the room
could have said, hey, you know what, I love your choice.
You could be diplomatic about it. I loved your choice. Listen,
can you tone it down a little bit this time? Right?
You know what I mean? That never happens anymore, dude.

(42:22):
I do remember though, back in the day when I
was going out for auditions, and it would be like
somebody who was from the urban or from the streets
and stuff like that, and you'd get the can you
can you spice it up a little.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Something?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Can you can you put a little sauce on that?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
No? How would they say it? Like what's the worst base?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
One would say that, can you spice it up a
little bit? Spice it up a little? And you'd be
like what.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I had a producer say to me once about a script.
She goes, you know, she was this old lady. She goes,
you know, you could go black with it, and I go, okay, yeah,
that's that's there's no reason.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
She goes, you know, they're doing their thing.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
She did that. Judge, you guys can't see the jests
durem me and she sort of rocked back and forth.
She goes, you know, they're they're doing their thing. It
was one of the most awkward things I've ever witnessed.
I go, okay, so you want them to do their thing?
I got it? Oh my god, should we get it?

(43:29):
We have to take a break probably, and then we're
gonna get into the episode. All right, We'll be right
back with the Tom Kavanaugh.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
We're bad, bad Hey.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So we always talk about how everybody met Bill and
how you came to this show. You wound up during
the show for several seasons.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, lots of episodes you mss have. You must have
been one of our most recurring guest stars.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
I don't know that, but I can tell you I
was always hugely grateful to get the call. I sort
of feel like even being on this podcast is sort
of like I've sort of, like I was telling your producers,
I've sort of like glommed my way on by like,
you know, get that somehow this got put out there.
But I also felt that same way about Scrubs, Like

(44:21):
I don't really do scrubs, but I sort of like
piggybacked on the back of their success. And I've been
basically a parasite this whole time, and I'm so so
grateful for it.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Because people loved you on the show. Tom.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Sorry, it's funny, how.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Like, no, no, but it's funny. How like when you
like it isn't anywhere, you can't find it anywhere. Most
of this a lot of stuff that's harder, harder to find.
And I would say Scrubs is the thing even though
you know you guys were you get all. You guys
did such a great job, but I did nothing. I
still get recognized all the time from I hear people

(44:54):
all the time want to say, hey, little brother, or
they remember this, remember the bathtub episode. I remember this
kind of thing. And you know, it was like ninety
years ago and people are still like it's still resonant.
It's on Comedy Central. It's just like it's it's lovely
to be associated with your success.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, people really loved you on the show. They really,
you know, when when when Donald and I talked about
having guests on a lot of people asked for the
Tom Kavanaugh. But wait a second, sorry, go back to
what Donald asked, How did you come about? How did
it come about? Did you know Bill or was it
the obvious that people thought he's on NBC? He looks
like Zach that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
No, I I think I had been friendly with Bill
and we weren't. We weren't friends before we sort of
became friends throughout, but we had, you know, had spoken
and gotten along and he he and his wife had
always been like quite friendly and generous and stuff, and

(45:49):
so I think it must have been him saying, oh, okay,
I know Tom. I I have a friendly relationship with him,
and so this seems like a natural fit because of
how we look. I think you run into people and
you're like, I would like to work with this person again,
you know what I mean. That happens occasionally, and it
almost never happens. I think all your intentions are always great,

(46:11):
and yet you're still trying to have a job and survive,
and so sometimes it's quite quite difficult, given you know,
it's very difficult to repatriate again. So I think I
think maybe we got along and then he was like,
oh this is this could be a nice little one off,
But then it ended up being more, which.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Is tremendous because you're really good on the show Man Also,
you know, I we talk about this all the time
in remembering the shows. This is one of we talk
about it so much that it's become a bingo. It's
one of the bingo questions, Like somebody made a bingo sheet,
and on the bingo sheet it says they'll talk about
at some point, you know, if they talk about not

(46:50):
remembering the show, you get a letter, right, And this
is one of those moments because I really didn't remember
this episode that much. I knew the first episode I
remember you on is when John Ritter passed away and
then you out of nowhere, was like, yo, you know what,
I'll come in and now and wait, how is that
this one? That's not this one? That's not this one

(47:13):
at all?

Speaker 4 (47:14):
That was another significant one that was such a again,
you know, I think I don't know if you had
because you're there and you have no basis of comparison
for you people. You guys were like all all all
your group was such a welcoming you know. It's it's
it's interesting because once you go through, you know, thirty
years of this stuff, it's not always you know, it's
not always a group like that, you know, And I

(47:35):
obviously don't know all the inside stories and stuff because
I would just come in and out. But but being
in a place where you felt welcomed and encouraged. And
the idea is that that you guys. I can remember
laughing so hard at the stuff you guys would do
that wasn't in the script, knowing that you would do
the stuff verbatim as it was in the script, knowing

(47:56):
that you would get your blows, your chances later. And
I thought, this is incredible, this this environment. I remember you,
Zach doing one of I've seen like the actor who
played Ross Kueller, David Swimmer, running to he had an
open laundry door and he like hits his head on
it and falls over there. That's one of the most
solid modern day praftfalls. And you did want to do
a glass door that was like we're just we're just watching,

(48:19):
you know. We were sitting by the monitors, and I
was like, I remember thinking this and this is like
years ago. I remember thinking, is I could watch him
do this all day long. Every time you didn't get
tired of it, You kept doing it. Every time you
did it, it was like seemed like better than the last.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I wanted to get it right, you know. I I
so enjoyed doing the physical comedy and and I would
get competitive just with myself wanting to be wanting to
wanting to make a really good one and and uh,
you know that was a bit of my that was
my sport if you will try to be good at
I remember one time in one of the episodes, you
jumped out and I just improved monsters. Yeah, And you know,

(48:58):
the fun thing about the show, as you were just saying,
was there was such a vibe of just safety, that is,
this is a safe environment. Go nuts, do be adventurous.
You know, Bill will tell you obviously get to it
as written, but he'll tell you if he wants you
to bring it down. But I was just watching this
your first episode, and you were making such.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Bold choices and right, souch is tricky.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Which is tricky because you know, we'd bound the show.
We're regulars, we're there all the time. We had we
had kind of built up that comfortableness for a guest
star to come on and be like, all right, I'm
gonna do a bold character. I'm gonna make bold choices.
I was really I was really impressed with you just
watching it back, because it's one thing if you do
it like on your fifth episode, here you are is
your first time on set your guest star of a

(49:43):
show that that's really popular, and you came up with
this character which was nothing like your character on ED
and was just bold and funny.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
But it was probably a lot to do with, like
I say, just being around a place where people were like, hey,
have fun, enjoy I think I think it just bears
repeating that your show was such a such a place
where you know, you welcome people to do that very
thing you were talking about. I remember also being so impressed.

(50:14):
I'm sorry to talking about it, but it just it
just seemed like I remember season six coming in and
doing something and I remember thinking, I remember watching on
different shows i'd done, how you know people buy into like, well,
how what's our place in the universe of television? Like
are we popular? Are we?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
You know?

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Are we getting enough attention? And I think you guys
probably had you know, the NBA, Why don't they promote us?
All that kind of stuff. But I remember coming in
on season six and watching you had settled into this
thing like this is us and this is for us,
and it was such a smart and intelligent way to
understand that life is fleeting, this is fleeting, and so

(50:53):
let's just all be for this show and when you
when you come from a different place and you come
into that, it influenced me for the rest of my
career to go, this is really what you want. People
who are have each other's backs, who are for each other,
who want to just do this scene right now as
best as they can, and what more is that?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah? Speaking of doing a scene, really well, how fucking
funny are you stealing the lab coat and going in
to attend to a patient?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That shit was hilarious, Yeah, mister laughed, before we do that.
Before we do that, let's get into this, uh recap?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh yeah, sorry, So Tom every episode, Donald will sum
it up. He has thirty seconds. I time him.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yes, and this is great.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Okay, So Donald, hold on getting my stopwatch up. He's
been crushing it lately. He got in a little cocky
l and and and ending early, which I don't like.
I like you to fill your time now, this might
go over. Okay, on your mark, get set go.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
J D's brother Dan comes to visit. He wrecks havoc
on all of j these relationships. JD wishes his brother
would just grow up. Turk and Cocks are beefing again,
this time because both have good arguments on why their
departments are better at saving lives. By the act break,
j D and Turk are shame Turk of himself, JD
of his brother. For Turk, it takes a lesson from
an unexpected person for him to regain faith that he's

(52:18):
doing his job the right way. For JD, it's him
learning and understanding that not all people are built the same.
Some people are content with who they are. How far
did I go over?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
It's thirty six, But you had some fuck ups, and
I think the audience.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Is to give you geez.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I thought it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It's well done. It's well done. I think when you
were hurt, I don't think you we rehearsed this time. Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
No, it's freaking We're an hour into the damn show.
I expected to do it.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
He didn't know that Tom Cavanaugh was going to be
so interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I said, listen, I knew Tom was going to be
this interesting. So you're saying we were going to get
into the show.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
You're saying is that you we rehearsed right before he
went on the air. And now you're rusty, and.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I was rusty. If you give me another chance, I
bet it's better.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
No on here again, sick, good job. You know what, well,
you know what, We'll have Dan speed it up a
little bit. No, we can't do no thirty six seconds.
Thirty six well done though. Well yes, well that's the
episode to remind you, Tom. We did this as a
service to people who want a brief reminder of what
the episode was Tom. Tom comes to visit me. He's
been driving a car across the country as a for

(53:23):
for three hundred dollars, and uh, he has no fear
of doctor Cox, which is just mind boggling me. And
I'm squirming that he's I'm squirming as he meets Cox
for the first time and is fucking with doctor Cox.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, that would be the best day of my life.
If I went to my brother's job and he had
a boss that was bullying him, and I could freaking
and I know that no matter what, he's gotta get
bullied anyway, I'm gonna fuck some shit up. Then how
about this, Oh Ert, you gotta mess with my little brother.
Now I'm gonna mess with you. Yeah, I remember good day.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I think I remember on the day Tom even being
nervous in real life because I was so you know,
Johnny was Johnny and I we wear versions of our
characters and and we would just play that. Now you
came in as an alpha fucking with him, and I
think I think I recalled even on the day being
a little uncomfortable, but I think didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And I'm sure he did.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Because nobody in that hospital, in the real world or
on or in the world of the show fucked with him,
and he had gotten quite comfortable with that. And now
here's someone who.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Looks just like me walking with him.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
But that was great. And then so the let's talk
about that Rickles moment. That was pretty fucking funny.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
That ship was hilarious. I love the fact that the
reason why it's gonna happen is because he hears Bambi
and you're like, all right, I don't want you to
call me bamb before the rest of my life. I'll
la wear a lab coat with a lap cooat. And
he walks in, and he goes and you know, and
and and we find out just before he walks in
that the guy's gotta live and that the surgery was
everything was a success. And the first thing Tom says,

(54:59):
Dan says, it was touch and go.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
For and then he goes, you got out. We got
to look out for those little rickles, and he goes,
name is.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
He's like the little reckles the kids future.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
And then I go, okay, thank you, and you go,
damn it, Babby, I'm busy to find a good nurse
these days. And shot was really funny by Michael Spiller.
When you when you turn around. Yeah, I'm always a
sucker for the quick turnaround.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Yes, of course, damn it, Bamby, give me a second.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah exactly, I'm busy.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Hilarious, And now my nightmare would be my brother coming
and flirting with someone that I had feelings for and
let alone also your friend. I mean, this is like
always awkward when you have a friend that's like, I
don't know if this guy's ever happened to you, where
like you broke up with someone and then you see
your friends starting to like and you're like, what the fuck?

(55:59):
And and and I just I felt for JD as
you as you and Sarah are walking down the hall
and flirting.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
And it's cruel.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It's so fucking mean.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, it's mean, by the way, It's mean on both parts.
It's mean on, it's mean on. I mean, you guys
have a brother. You guys those two characters had had
a brother competition thing, obviously, but the fact that Elliott
was so willing to just like dive in and be
all like gigy, that was so cruel.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Yeah, it was mean. It was like, ah, he's so funny,
and he's not really that funny, but he was just
being kid. You're like, ah, yeah, I know, that's okay.
You just and then the idea that wait, this is
actually happened, This is happening, is happening.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
You know. I love I love the how he realizes
it's happening out of nowhere. You turned day tonight bym
flicking a switch.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
That was great. And then they start totally making out
and then and then they pop back to reality. And
then in reality, I yell, stop your stop your stupid laughing.
It makes you look like a whore.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Right, and you're like kidding, just the worst thing you
could say.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And then the way I did it was like vomiting
it up, like I couldn't, I couldn't hold in the rain.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
You skewed it out.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, stupid laughing. It makes you look like goodness, gras
jump cut. Yeah, I must have been tricky to shoot.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
We must have done the first part and then come back.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
We did.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
We did. Then we came back at night and Sarah
had this idea we were both chewing gum to like
spit the gum out, you know, and then like, you know,
have the all the fun two three four.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Were you called that chewing gum like throughout the whole
scene or do you you both? You know, sometimes when
you're an actor, you know you're going to make out
with someone, you want to have fresh minty breath. Was it?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I think she? I think she no. I think she
added gum later on, because there was. It was one
of two things. One is like you kiss the person,
then they have the gum that you had in your
mouth not great or you know, pew pew. And I
think she we realized we could have a we could
double down on the comedy moment by spitting our gum out.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Before used to happen. We used to have Banaka on set,
not not just for.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
I remember you guys had the You guys had the
You also had the boom things that melt in your mouth.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, it does give you heartburn.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
They give me heartburn. Yeah, we both both Donald and
I would have too many and they would give us heartburn.
But the old school aerosol spray baknaka, which is my favorite.
We started having it just from we had kissing scenes
and we didn't want to have bad breath for our
scene partner. But then it became like, you know, we
were all friends, all up in each other's faces all
day long. We were like, let's make a rule everybody,
we don't have bad breath, and so we would like

(58:32):
just be spraying a NonStop.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Dude. I remember, it became how many can you spray
in your mouth? And I burn his mouth like tin
under the tongue, just for ships and giggles.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
And eventually our boom operator velcrode one to the boom
and and we called it boom naka and we'd be
like Kevin boom knaka and he would just dip the
boom down. We'd pull the ASO off off the mic
it was on beltrow and then it attach it back up.
That's great a right there, that's some Yeah. That was
so though we thought he was gonna do it for

(59:05):
like a day as a joke, it was up there
for years, same same.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Canister, hopefully hopefully changed out.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I like when at five twenty four when when Cox goes, well,
people please stop calling me, Yeah, and then Kelsoe goes, hey,
I'm nuts. Sorry, I'm nuts.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Hey, how's it going. I'm nuts.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
He had another one in there where was like I
don't have time for pity or something like that.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, right, when he's talking to Johnny Castle.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Oh yeah, I wrote that down too, And why does
why does well? First of all, when you scare me
in the shower? Hilarious. That was the first of many
scared we.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Did, like ten we did ten. Do you remember that.
I remember I remember waiting, waiting in the thing behind
the curtain and like thinking, oh this, maybe this one
will do this. Like there was we had like five
or six different ones, and I think the first one
was really terrifying for you.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Uh, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I just put two and two together that I guess
we bought the clear shower curtain that's in the opening
of the show, right, because wasn't there a clear shower
curtain when you scare me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
No, no, there isn't a shower curtain that it's opaque.
When I come out because you don't see me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
And then right and you thought it looks like it's clear.
I thought, I have, I have because you have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
You guys have that runner earlier on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, so we're we're shopping for a clear shower curtain
and then whereas it it is five point thirty two.
I'm just curious because it'd be funny if we, uh
we happen to keep the shower.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah it's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Oh goodness, how could it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Then? How can you have bought it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
We actually bought it? There you go, Okay, look at
that continuity. Yeah, I mean I got air. Dude, you
scared the ship out of me. And I mean in
real life, and I think the character. But I obviously
had a nice juicy map behind me because I like
literally flew up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Yes, yes it's solid and once again, Zach.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Braft Solid, Zach Braft Special.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
It's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
I laughed. When he makes her own Halloween candy, she.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Says she's dressed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
First of all, she's dressed like raggedy ann and uh
and there's like this bowl of popcorn and homemade lollipops,
and she says something like, if you want name brand stuff,
this fist is packed with nuts or something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
This episode was actually written by Tim Hobert. Yes, I believe.
Was he with us the first season, Well, he came
in on second him was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Not their first season, no, but he's a very funny writer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
So this is his first big episode. This is first
episode of the season. Then. Yeah, and also Mike Spiller's
back as our director.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
We like Spiller a lot. This is the first episode
in which I read on Scrubs Wiki this is the
first episode that you're ever called Gandhi by doctor Cox.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
That's interesting. Sarah's sister is actually one of the interns
in this episode. Also, yeah, and Cox is I mean
when Kelso's doing rounds in the beginning, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
When Kelso pulls he hates the costumes, and he pulls
some cat ears off, and that's Sarah's sister, not not
her younger sister, obviously, that's it's her older sister. And
then I noticed that Johnny Castle playing Doug. He takes
off the clown, knows and kisses it. And I remember
on the day thinking that was so random and funny,

(01:02:16):
but I have no idea why he does it. It's
very weird.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, no, I know exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
He takes the clown that Kelso says, take that fucking
costume off, and he takes the nose off, and he
looks at it and he gives a little kiss before
he fucking which is just so weird and amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
I don't know why he did it, but yeah, the
scene between you and Johnny C when you win the
bet is like, to me, that was just such classic
Scrubs because it's it's good in the in and of
itself with the comedy's just hilarious, especially when you're celebrating
and it kind of goes on, then it goes on,
then it keeps going on, which I personally it's funny.

(01:02:53):
Then it's sort of maybe not funny. Then it's really
funny because you just keep doing it. You do the
backward why, and it's just all the different beats of
your comedy there just like I had me laughing and
I'd forgotten the scene and then and then there's then
there's that other level where he's like, yes, which is
what that's what your show did so well, where it's
like you have the great comedy and that could just

(01:03:13):
on another show that would just be enough. And then
it's like there's a hammer a gravitas that still works.
It's beautiful. It ends with ends with you like with
a legit serious moment considering this information. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
It's a matter of Joelle and you just look like
you freaked on him on something.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Oh Gena Price Price when heard a thing I did
and I love her?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Sorry, okay, wait what happened? I'm sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Wait what happened? I figure since you distracted the show,
you're gonna have to share what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Sorry, Gina Price bikeele It is a amazing director.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
She directed Love Basketball and she just has a new
movie out on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Cold Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
The Old Guard.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yes, black lady who's been working for a very long time,
and I love her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
She used to write on Felicity, like season one of Felicity,
she wrote, and then she went on to all right,
but what happen?

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And that made your face light up because I thought
it was Tom's use of the word gravitas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Acknowledge my existence. I get so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Oh well, congratulations what did she say? What she like,
you're one of the articles you've written or something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I did a pod talking about the new movie
and she was like this was so great. I was like,
oh my god, that's okay. That's always good to be apologetic,
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I just want the listeners to know from my point
of view. Tom said the word gravitas, and Joel's face
lit up and she started like doing the hand thing
where you might cry, and I'm like, wow, Joelle really
loves the word gravias.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
She had better reasons to celebrate, better reasons to celebrate.
I'm glad to hear it wasn't gravitas either, the old
guarden plug. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
That would be that would be the funniest ship ever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
But she just loves the word gravat whenever she whenever
she hears it, she has to fan her eyes. I
love Donald. You're bragging about having two singles in your wallet.
You say hello mister when he gives you the funny
Hello Jackson me introduced you to the Washington Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Right now, you guys getting nice and acquainted and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
You're dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
There was so funny, man, Yes, I had a lot
of I had a lot of fun doing that. I'm
sure I did. It's it's really weird, you know how
things change. Because everybody did a Michael Jackson impersonation. Back
in the day, everybody did it. I can't recall the
last time I've seen Michael Jackson impersonation. He's been a very,
very long time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Now, you probably if we were doing the show now,
you probably wouldn't be doing so many Michael Jackson's Now.
I love a Growing Pain shout out for those of
you who were too young to know. Growing Pains was
a very popular sitcom and starring Kirk Cameron. And uh
when when I when when we all go to lunch,
I say, oh, no, I'm trying to defend Dan. Oh no,
he lives with my mom, but he's got his own area.

(01:06:00):
He's like Kirk Cameron when he's looking about the garage
with Boner. And Kirk Cameron had a friend in the
show name name Boner, which made no sense. Why was
his friend named Boner? Everyone knows what his name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
His last name was the Bone, and his dad's name
was Sylvester.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
But then you right, you yell out to the room Boner.
Come on, everyone, it's too too low hanging fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
No Boner speaking of laging. You guys didn't hear what
I said. His dad's name Will was Sylvester and his
last name is Sta Bone Sylvester Stabone. Yeah, do you
know the Growing Pains theme instead of Sylvester Stallone Sylvester Stabone.
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Okay, it just wasn't that funny. I guess I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I thought it was hilarious when I first heard it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Joe kids, wait a second, Boner, your dad's name is
Sylvester Stabone. And then he turns back and looks that
Mike and goes, who knew.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
What? Joe joke?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Donald? Do you know the theme song? Tom?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Tom?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
You might not know this, but Donald can sing song.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
If you tell me how it starts, I could sing it.
Show me that smart Okay, Zech, I got it. Don't
waste another man it on your crying. And we're nowhere
near the end. Her best is edit to begain. Oh okay,

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started too high.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
As long as we go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Each other, we got the world hanging right and our
hands baby rain or shine foot all the time. Okay,
we've got each other sharing the left of love, sharing
the left.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
So I'm gonna release an album Tom of Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
We have to show that dignity. The show that did
every season they did a different version of that song.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Oh really, They also at some point they had a
baby and then they were like, the baby's boring, and
next season she's gonna be five.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
And also they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Also had nobody else to age, but the baby was
all of a sudden five.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
They also like fostered a kid for a little bit.
Who was young Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Oh, that's right, young Leo's first show, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well, I don't know if it was his first.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
But there's really cute. I've seen like you know when
they do like, you know, you know, remember who this
little boy was. I've seen like his first interviewers. I
just love being an actor and I'm just happy to
be with these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
It was really cute, and now look at him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Donald has a little Leo crushed. Tommy comes up almost
every episode.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I love Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, so last one of my
favorite actors of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
One of our last episodes ended with Donald talking about
trying to doc with no no no no no no no.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Explained later, break we got, we gotta go to break.
We gotta guess guys, we used to bring just we
should go to break, guys. I'm just break.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
We'll be right back after Donald doc Leo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
No, no, no, no, So what's on again?

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
What did he say?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
I did not say I wanted to dock with Leo.
I just said I thought he was a great actor.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
We went to break, We went.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
We haven't gonkay yet. All right, now we're going to break.
We gotta. I think we need to clarify this because
I don't want it out there and the ethos that
somebody that I'm walking around telling people I want to
dock with Leo because that ain't what's happening here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Okay, that does not want to dock Leo. Everybody, Yes,
he does. We're going to break, all right, now we're
back tom. We take a caller here on this show
and Joel curates them. There are zillions of people that

(01:09:54):
email her and try and send her payola. Uh and
she it's all steps, all the money, she accepts, all
the money, all the money sends.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
You sending money to Joel, do it the right way,
don't send like sending the real deal. How we feel
thought if you don't get picked, but money does help.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
But you know, cash is a little crass. What you
could sell send baskets. Cash is crash. I don't know
if it has ever said that before, but I was
a good line. Cash is crass, Cash is crash. Send
the woman a wine basket or some of God's let us. Uh,
she'll take either one. O. G.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Cush is preferred.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Who do we have today? Preferred for the Tom Cavanaugh? Who?
Who's America's favorite older brother?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
We had nurse Christina.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Christina, Hello, where are you calling from? Christina Kuston and the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Uh, Christina, you're an e ournurse we heard, so that
means you're gonna get even more respect than the average caller.
We give our callers a lot of respect, but er
nurse gets top respect.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
From Well, thank you. What's it like?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
What's it like right now? You guys are in Houston?
It's it sucks?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, what's the status?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I think I had heard that Texas was legitimately running
out of ICU beds.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yeah, I mean, we tried to ship out a critical
patient the other night and couldn't get a hospital that
could take him in Houston. We tried to life fight
himut because we didn't have a specialist for it and
could not find a hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
It's tragic.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Oh, it's tragic, my God. And people need to hear
from people like you on the front lines, because I
think a lot of people, you know, as we've talked
about on the show, Donald and I lost a friend
and uh, and I think people like you who run
the front lines, people like us who've lost a loved one,
we're seeing him. And Dan was explaining something on the show.
I thought that was really really landing with me that

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unless you're on the front lines and the seeing it,
you can kind of live in this sort of dream
world where you, you know, you're just you know, obviously,
I know people are suffering, they're not working, and the
kids aren't in school, but it cannot it's a little
bit out of sight, out of mind. Whereas someone like you,
who's seeing this every single day, it must be just
very very traumatic for you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
That we also see what COVID does to people too,
what and and and and a lot of people that's
something that Americans don't see. We don't see the uh,
what's what's left up people after COVID has ravaged their
bodies and uh and and you know, rectabit or rectabic

(01:12:30):
on their organs and stuff. So uh, it's just a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
It's a slab in the face when we're risking our
lives and then people are on here saying it's a
hoax or that it's a It's just frustrating because we
don't have any reason to lie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
About it, right, I know, I know, but we see that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
But we see that. I see even in our comments
on on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Won't not even saw this. Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
People were like, enough of the mask talk. You're becoming
like every other show. And I want to like throw
my fucking phone at the wall because I was like,
our friend just died, so there's gonna be some COVID
talk wear a fucking mask, right, But anyway, we thank
you for for I just think there's nothing more noble

(01:13:13):
than being a nurse. And there's extra cherry on top
for doing it in the er because the things you
must see.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
And I want to thank y'all real quick for the
video that y'all did with Neil Patrick Harris thanking all
the healthcare workers. It did not get enough props, but
it really meant something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Oh thank you. So let's switch to something more like
our main mission is to make people gig a little bit.
Do you have any questions for for us about scrubs
or anything? It could be about the flash. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
My first question is, what's the craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
A fan has asked, y'all, Oh my gosh, have you
ever signed anyone? And then they you saw them again
and they were like, I turned your signature into a tattoo. Yes,
I've had that, And people get tattoos of you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Is that weird? Yeah? I was talking about this yesterday.
There's some really weird tattoos of me out there. And
also I actually like the ones some people have tattooed
lines from Garden State that were meaningful to them a
film I wrote so I that I think is really
cool because my something I came up with was meant
enough to them to put on their body as a

(01:14:17):
as a as whatever a mantra if you will. But
but I've seen like like the weirdest faces I've made
on Scrubs where I'm like, you know, like screaming out
of fear, like actually in this episode with Tom where
I'm like screaming out of fear, And I've seen that
on like someone's thigh. Donald, I saw a tattoo of
you that as Churk that looked so nothing like you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
It looked nothing like me. It looked like Charles Barkley.
You're on my back and it looked like Charles literally.
Now you know, as a kid, I was a big
fan of Charles Barklay. But it didn't look anything like me.
It looked literally like Charles Barkley. Right, the weirdest thing
that's ever happened to me. I get a lot of
people asking for it to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Yes, that happens to you a lot because they think
you're very strong and they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I can hold a lot of people up there. Yeah,
but it's it's donald.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
You do let a lot more people mount you than
I would ever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Listen, if you are brave enough to ask me, I
will most likely oblige now that you should.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Let me mount you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Now said most likely? He said most likely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Fine print That being said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
That, the fine print, Tom is like you must have
been under a certain amount of weight before trying to
please inst all permission. Don't do it in front of
his children or his wife will Bitchlapy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Well, the fine print is the fine print truly is
like it has to be a special occasion. It can't
just be out of nowhere, like you walk down the
street and like let's eagle and that's not gonna happen.
It has to be you know, it has to be
something like if I'm at a conference and it's you
know what I mean, and they got to catch you,
you're not woozy. So that's the one thing that that's

(01:16:04):
the one thing that that's pretty weird is that being
asked to eagle. It's like, really, you want to jump
on my back? You feel that comfortable right now to
walk up to me ask me to give you an
ask and ask me to give you a piggyback ride?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Tom, have you ever had a weird fan moments? I
bet some of your young flash fans have asked for
something odd.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
I think, just what you were saying earlier, I think
it really tests your metal as an actor when somebody
suddenly unveils a tattoo of you on them, because you know,
I think the reaction they're looking for is like, oh,
that's great, wow, you know, but really your reaction is ah, right, yeah,

(01:16:44):
you know, and you really got it. You got to
try and cover that as best you can because they've got,
you know, a permanent ink on their body.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Read it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I'm just wor of course, you you're naturally.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Assumed they're going to regret it. You think the next day.
You don't think you're going to end up seeing it ever,
But yeah, of course it's going to be a massive regret.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Well, we talked before you came on to about how
I'm gonna get Donald on my face, just like Joel Joel.
Joel reminded us that I should not attempt to shade
it in at all because.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Uh huh, I listened. I listened to your episode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah listen, of course, Yeah, Joel, you guys were very well.
Joelle just came on in a moment of nervousness being like, guys, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Here's the voice, here's the voice of reason.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Please listen to the voice of I assure Joel that
would be solely an outline of his beautiful face.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
How many people have sent you in Apple Teini in
the bar?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Oh, that's a very good question. That's happened a bunch.
I got and sent a lot of Apple teini's, and
they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I don't don't like apple. Just be honest, it's very sweet.
It's sugar, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
I mean, I understand it. If you're if you're young,
or if you're if you're out for a night and
you want to have a funny cocktail, but I just
think that if you you shouldn't get drunk on them
because they are so filled.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
With sugar headache. The next day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
I'm one of the owners of a restaurant in New
York that I'll give a plug to now called the
Mermaid Oyster Bar and seventy seventy nine McDougall if you'd
like to check it out when the world reopens.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
But do they serve oysters at this oyster Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
They have the sixteen different types of oysters. Wow, I
love that you just said do they serve oysters at
this oyster bar?

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
He was trying to trying to see if it was no.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Good, he'd be a good friend and trying to be like,
tell us more about this. So you probably want to
know about our lobster roll.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Donald, Do you have a lobster roll?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Oh, we have lobster roll in Manhattan. I'll tell you
that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
And my point was is that the owner told me
that He's like, do you have the idea why people
keep coming in and ordering Apple teenies? And he's like,
I was like, I don't know, but can you make
them He's like, no, we're not making apple teinis, but
just people, just tell your fans to stop ordering.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Out when we were young and they were tasty, though,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Do you like them, Christina?

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
A little sweet for me?

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Do you have another question for us? Christina?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
So Scrubs one, What is your most memorable scene that
you filmed? O?

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Heavy question? Good question.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Wow, Well Tom can go first because he's the test.
He's got less to think about it because he's only
did six or so episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
It's easy. It was just, you know, I loved almost
every scene we did for comedy. There was one where
the three of us were.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Part buddies where we did the farts.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
Yeah, we were goofing around the thing and that we
had to we were eating breakfast and then we had
to go. I had to go to the bathroom and
it just became this long running I'll be in there
for one minute, two minutes, five minutes, ten minutes, one minute.
And then the other one was just the John Ritter stuff.
To have been like a part of that with with
you guys, was you know, it was, it was meaningful.

(01:19:58):
Certainly the bath to the bathtub scene was a little
less fun than you might expect. At one point, John
c Riley is like, by now you're sitting in a
bounts to probably eighty percent of your own urine. And
I think that was probably closer to the truth. So
less fun. But at the same time, you know, it's

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one thing that I hear a lot, you know about
the Captain bubble Beeerd or whatever the heck it was called. Anyway,
you guys, that's enough. Now you've had enough time. I've stalled,
well enough, I feel, and now you guys have the
tarmac ready talk about your best shows.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
We answered something similar to this recently, but I wonder
if it's the same answer for you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Donald, go ahead, well the Star Wars, Oh yeah, you're right.
Also getting the opportunity to do an Indiana Jones situation
in someone's colon, it was a lot of fun, right,
doing the whole opening to Raters of the Lost Dark
in side of someone's colony. Fun. And then, to be

(01:20:58):
honest with you, one of my favorite scenes, it's a
song but Zach and I singing everything comes down to Pooh.
Still to this day is one of my like I
watched that with the smile, and I can't watch a
lot of the things that I do, but that's one
thing that I've done where I'm like that was. That

(01:21:18):
was fucking a great time shooting that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah, one of my favorite times was repelling across the
fake city street on the Universal back lot on the
episode where Donald and I go on a quest to
find Molly, Heather Graham's character, and we repel across the
street and then nail the wall and I fall into
a bunch of garbage and then I get up and
she looks at me, and I act like I'm surprised

(01:21:42):
to see.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Her, and I go, Molly, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
That was just the most fun because you know, do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
You remember how you got the to repel across the
rope which I pulled off of you? No, you pulled
my gown off of me. I did I have a
gown on it or it wasn't a shirt? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Yeah? And I go and I go, yeah, I pull
it off and you gasp and then you're shirtless.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
And then I turn it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
I turn I turned into a thing to repel across
the street and then and then I go Molly, and
she goes, what are you doing here? And then all
of a sudden, you just see Donald in the background
drop down into frame naked. So that was just so
fun because you know, we didn't always Yeah, as I've
said before on the podcast, that episode was like so epic.

(01:22:29):
We didn't always do episodes that were that big. And
there we were like taking over the universal backlat to
do that scene, and I was directing and and it
was just funny. I remember just laughing my ass off
that night. All right, well, we got to go because
our show's going so incredibly long. But Christina, thank you,
and in all sincerity, thank you so much for what

(01:22:50):
you do and for being on the front lines for us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Can I just see y'all to give a quick shout
out to my best friends that are super jealous right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Now, of course, Preston and Nikki y'o.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Preston, Nikki, it's down a faison and.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I'm Zach Roff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
And Zach sorry, what's happening, y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
What's happening y'all? What's happening? By present and Nikki and bye, Christina,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Thank you, Christina.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Now listen, it's not beneath us. It scrubs to do
a fart joke every now and then.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
And uh, and this your family loves to fart. Dorians
love to fart, dude, It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Oh, by the way, we were, we were, we were.
We were lucky enough to have the late John Ritter
do a fart joke on on the show before he
passed away. And now we have the great Tom Cavanaugh
honoring us with a fart joke. We we sprinkle him around.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
That sprinkle him around, good analogy. Your reaction is tremendous.
It's like it's everywhere. It's a man who can't escape,
it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
It is so horrible though, when when someone is flatulent
in a car and you don't have control of the window,
isn't it just a horrible, horrible moment of life.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I think an airplane is worse, But yes, airplane, everybody's
staring straight ahead, and there's that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Moment on a plane where you're like, you don't want
anyone to think it's you have to react, you have to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Go, oh geez.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I always put my t shirt over my nose so
people know, like, oh, he's reacting. It's clearly not him, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
It's just like when you go into the bathroom after
somebody took a ship and on the airplane and then
you've got to come out and face all the people.
I'm sure we've talked about it. We have.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
We talked about that horrible thing. And especially when you're
in the public eye, you don't want someone to be like, dude,
I was on a plane and Tom Kavanaugh crossing the
bathroom and meanwhile you're thinking, like, no, mother effort. That
was the guy before me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
I don't know if I'd be that upset, but okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
I have an anxiety out when I go into a
bathroom and it's been just rocked and then I come
out and I'm like, I didn't do that. That was
someone before me. I should.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I had an anxiety about public restrooms period.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Dude, you put toilet paper down on the seat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Listen, man, we could go to the movies the whole family.
Back when going to the movies was a thing. We'd
be at the movie theater if I and the movie
could be five minutes away from starting. If I feel
even the slightest bit of a bubble in my guts,
we're going home. Oh really, I'm not shitting at a
movie theater.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Your poor kids, what do they do?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
They can cry on the way home.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
You've that sharing kids home because you had to poop.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Listen. I remember I remember one time going to a
club and getting to the club and being at the
club and uh, you know, about to dance and it
was lit that night, and feeling a bubble in my
guts and being like, you know what, I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
At restaurants, so you never pull, you never pull in public.
I try my hardest not to poo in public. I
have a phobia of it. It's uh, I don't know, man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Do you keep your outings to a concentric circle where
you can make the getaway if you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
No, There's been times where I was like, yo, I
gotta do something. We gotta do something. Do you have friends?
It's just something about a public A public restroom is I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Used to have that. For some reason, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
When I was a kid, I had it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
I got over it. But one thing I can't do
is if it were in the men's room and there's
and there's a line of stalls, I cannot pooh if
someone else is in the stall. I have to wait
until the stalls are empty. I can't hear it next me.
I just can't want next hear that. But also I
can't sit next to the person and they're like farting

(01:26:43):
and you hear them like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
It's too uncomfortable for me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
You got a handed to them for their effort.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
You know, you really have to go, you know, I
don't want to be that guy. Man, I've been. I've
been in the bathroom where another man did that. And
I was a kid. I was very young and it
was me and we were doing a commercial. It was
a basketball commercial. What yeah, it was a basketball commercial.
Already jealous, I know we should talk about basketball. You
have to come back on because we need to talk
about our NBA Entertainment League days and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Tom, Tom, well you already since we since you're.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
You heard this, Dan, you heard this right. So I
was invited. So that's what that's what those are going to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Be now one and pound now you'll be back, now,
be back. But we were filming a basketball commercial and
I was very young and one, but I wasn't young
enough where my parents had to be there. But there
was one kid who was very young and his dad
had to be there and his dad would play basket.
We were playing like we were all doing this, you know,
uh uh the commercial. So we were all playing like

(01:27:56):
full courts on other basketball courts. And we would play
with his dad too. And I remember going to the bathroom,
me and a bunch of other dudes. We were going
to take a leak and the dad was in the
bathroom and was having a real hard time pooping, like
the type of ship like the like the type of
stuff was like, oh god, damn ship.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Why why why it's always when someone yells.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Why.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
The corn? That's the corn. That's the corn.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Okay, you don't see the corn people are might be
eating when they listen to this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Okay, we'll cut that out. We'll cut out the corn. No,
I want to leave it. I like, okay, all right. Anyway,
My point is, I remember when he came out of
the bathroom, the shame on his poor son's face because
we were like, yo, you're dad, and they're blowing it up.
And I think that's where my phobia comes from. I
don't want to be that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
From when I was a kid, my mom took me
into the stall with her. You know, I was of
an age where she was obviously not leaving me alone
and a woman was really farting a lot as she
was going pooh, And then we came out to the
sinks and I apparently turned to the woman and pointed, Mom,
that's the lady who was farting. My mom says, like,

(01:29:25):
to this day, that's the most embarrassing moment of her life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Goodness, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
The gorilla by the way, Donald, I literally looked. I
looked down at my notes and saw I thought that
was a really funny reveal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yeah, I thought that was very You think Ken was
Ever in the suit? Oh, I don't know. That's a
great question.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
That is a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Let's ask Bill that one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Let's ask Bill, because Bill, I'm sure you want to
say hi to the Tom Cavanaugh and you know, I
did notice some of the fans were missing you and
you're sabotaging our show by the secret numbers? So Bill,
was Ken Jenkins ever in the gorilla suit? And also
say hi to Tom Kavanaugh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Bill, Hey, guys, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Question number Ken Jenkins in that gorilla suit? I seem
to recall is what I love about Ken, you know,
trying to be respectful of actors. I was like, of course, Ken,
if you want to be the guy in the suit,
you know. And I think he cut me off and said, Bill,
if it's not gonna you're not gonna see me. I
don't care if I'm ever in that grocer. So I

(01:30:36):
do not think Ken Jenkins was ever in that thing,
pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Uh, and uh I respect him more for it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
Also got to say, man, uh, not only one of
my favorite guest stars on the show, but an all
time good buddy Tom Kavanaugh. Hello, sir, oh hi Tommy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
I don't mean to steal this podcast, but it has
been way too long since we've seen each other. Has
been a has got to be at least like for
like five or six or.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Seven or eight months?

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
No, thank you, jas. Guy is turn.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Season two? Damn get a new.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
You need a new trick. Trying to hijack our show,
you know. Speaking of tricks, the janitor never does his trick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
I was I was asking, I was about to ask
that it's a writing it's a writing flow of Bill. Sorry,
what was that about?

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Since you just tried to hijack our show by saying
the numbers, I will tell you even though now you
can't reply that, Uh, you're fucking up or Tim Oberd,
Tim Over, Tim Hover fucked up, somebody who fucked up?
Why do you lay in that the janitor is going
to do a trick and he never does. I think
it's a mislead for him being in the gorilla suit.

(01:31:50):
But but he's he's like twice Ken's height, so that
doesn't really work. I'm just saying, do you want to
talk about how great it was to have Tom Cavanaugh
on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Dude, you have to come back. You'd already said you will.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
I'm going to force your hand. That was a classic
misplay on your two guys parts here. You guys, you
guys like, hey, Tom, come back. He's like, he's obsessive.
Joelle is gonna be like he All he does is
he's like, uh, this episode, he's just come back, come back?
Can I come back?

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Dude? Love you. We have some stories. You and I
we've played a lot of basketball together. And so the
next time you're on the next episode about that, you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Guys will talk sports ball.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Yeah, you can go grab a tea and we'll like,
we'll talk hoops and then you can come back ten
minutes later.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Come back.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
I will just put on Dear Evan Hanson, and listen
whole time, and you guys will wave on the zoom
call when it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
No, seriously, man, we love you. You're great.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
I'm so happy to be a part of this. Thank
you guys for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
I no, thank you, thank you, and thank you to
Daniel and Joel and uh and Donald do you want
to lead us in that song? I love you, Donald Faison,
I love you Zach Braff and we love you listeners.
Thank you for listening and for being amazing, and subscribe
to this and and what else? Email Joel A. Scrubs,
iHeart at gmail dot com. And that's it, Victim.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
That is absolutely to the five, six, seven, eight stories.
I'm not show.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
We made about a bunch of talks and nurses and
janitor who love me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
I said, here's the stories networ sh no, So gander
round you here, our gander round you here, our

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Spect we show is and