Ep. 76: Ginseng Hunting, Bluegrass Music, and Writing Hit Songs for Jason Aldean with John Morgan

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yo, what's up your Bossend God's Country with your Boys
Reading Dance, also known at the Brother's Hunt, where we
take a weekly drive to the intersection of country music
any outdoors.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Two things that go together like they were going the
whole time. I know, I didn't know you were going.
Two things that go together like preachers, kids and right tails.
You gotta listen to another. That one means or bluegrass
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 1 (00:50):
I baby got a new light hanging up that's looking pretty.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Nick almost as slick as these lisbons on my feet
because they come spotsman, shine Baby, Look at.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Those shining in the new Tokova's neon light. Co's cowboy
boots might be a little crooked, because that's I gotta get.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
A drywall anchor in that top left one. We'll tie
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Calm down, John Morgan, John Morgan Man one of the
coolest Nashville stories that you're gonna hear straight up, Nashville
got a phone call from somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You're gonna listen to that. It's awesome. He's got the
number one song in country radio right now as an artist,
got the number one mustache and country radio too. M M.
There's a there's a couple of good ones out there.
I think he beats rileygh okay because that was like
all natur Row.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, I been there for a while. Great stories, great dude,
interesting cat. Yeah, man, we we didn't know him, know
of him. It's kind of that thing where we definitely
know of it when and he knew of us. But
it's one of those things where he sits down, you say,
what's up in your immediate buddies, and that's I went,
respect the.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Journey, respect the grind. Great songwriter, good singer, great guitar player,
great singer, not just good.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's great debut album, Carolina Blue out right now. Go
go stream it, go listen to it. Yeah, man, he's
a he's fun. You're gonna you're gonna really enjoy it.
Thank y'all for hanging out, Thanks for following us on Facebook,
Thanks for following us on the TikTok and the ground.
Keep on bringing those roast.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Ray. You smell that.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think that means yes, I wish we didn't say
to hit this. When we say his name, he punches
a button.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Don't hit a random button. Do we have like a
ding of when's like the roast is ready, you know,
like mama like a mama's like a timer ding dinner bell.
I'm done. I'm not even asking. It's a storm of
a chib. It's starting to annoy me because it's so
that's closed. I guess if you can pull up a

(03:03):
dang eventually hit it during my roast. So this comes
from Room Ail Room Malay Ramollee. Crossroads of Great Potential
and Epic Failure is the title of this five stars.
The guests are great. The host dot Dot Dot akin
to dumb and dumber. I recommend this post podcast to

(03:25):
anyone's solo hunting in grizzly country, if only to keep
the bears away at the end. That's pretty funny. At
the end of the day, I do appreciate reading down,
pulling up there to Covia boots, and going hard after
the things we love to care about. Keep digging for diamonds, boys,
appreciate you stars. Keep them coming, y'all. Look, I just

(03:47):
found my shirt. Happy Easter, your Happy East everybody. Well,
that's a bunny that my little girl stuck on me today.
Apparently I think this is two weeks after Easter, but
happy ago. Hey, we love y'all. We gotta go, We
gotta go write songs. Check out John Morgan killer Yeah
Carolina Blue. We got an artist in here. It's got

(04:12):
the number one country song.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, it's pretty wall big time. That's a big time
jad care would you mind shutting that door? I'm sorry,
We're real professional asking our guests to do things down here. Yeah,
hey man, we've got dad in of three number one
song written, including a c m's twenty twenty two Single
of the Year with Jason Now Danny carry Underwood piano.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Ballad Fighting Love. That'd be what's the worst?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Goodbye now?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now yeah, let's got it. Uh you need the melody, man, Yeah,
I got you.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Helen from the state of North Carolina going to raise
up most mustache owning my bath currently has the number
one song as an artist at the radio. With friends
like that, We've got mister John Morgan out in. God's
say thank thanks for having me, dude, Thanks for coming
in man on this beautiful Nashville day.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Drury out there, man, a little drear dury outdoors out there, man, Yeah,
a little rough out there.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's Mark Drury out there, very dry. Which way do
you come into town? Twenty four earlier?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, I'm out in jolting so yeah twenty four man,
it's fine tit or miss you hit that right window.
It's usually not bad. But this was not fun this morning.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Sixty five North has always hit. Yeah, it's always hit.
Which one is the bad hit or miss?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Miss? It's always miss, it's always miss.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I had to thank for his second.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I feel like it was pretty nice this morning, honestly.
I mean usually yeah, I mean it got took me
forty minutes to get here. I got jammed up twice,
and I got gas. I tell you, I tell you
the truth. Though I walked in. We got some gas station.
We always hit on the way end, and I've been
trying to clean it up lately. Yeah, you know. And
I had a biscuit and it's probably been since a

(05:56):
legit full biscuit. It's probably been nine months. Bro. That
poor that poor cooin is. It was hit in there.
They had a full rack, like the biscuit rack maxed
out do anything you wanted.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Do they have like a hot and ready sign.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, it's like it's like a pizza. It's like a
like one of them like pizza oven things like warmer things.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And they just got biscuits.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I was another day and I got a biscuit, and uh,
you could tell some like it's pretty, we're pretty. It's
right by my house too, and we're thirty five minutes
south of town, right below Franklin Thompson Station Spring.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
And so it's pretty. It's pretty country out there, and
you could tell this dude, this the brand new Bronco
rolled in and uh jumped out with the kids and
he ran in and he had on a tank top
and I was like, oh, this got my, you know.
So he comes in and he's like this got my?
What what are you talking about? It might not be from.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Around like it didn't look like he's from around there.
And uh, and he ran in and there was like
two biscuits left. It was like nine forty five. And
he was like, he's like, y'all got any more biscuits
in the back. She was like, no, honey, that's it.
We put them out and people come get them. And
he was like, oh, he's like you know, He's like,
I didn't. I didn't know you got rid of them
so fast. She was like, we're on farm time around here.

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Some she was like, she was like, it's sint city time.
She was like them farmers come in and get them quick.
And it's true if you get if you try to
get a bit biscuit after ten o'clock, ain't happen.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, no I didn't, but it was it was smelling.
They must have just delivered them something due it was,
And I turned around and I even felt like my
brain go, hey, man, I don't get you wanted. Man,
it's been nine months, bro, good for you to celebrate.
And then I didn't, you didn't. I walked out side.
I ate that banana as fast as possibly could and

(07:38):
drink that protein ship, thinking about fast, trying to make
that banana taste like that poor. I was sniffing. I
was sniffing, trying to get as much of it in
my body as I could.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Dude, places like that, you don't have to like sniff
too hard, man, there's a certain aura. I grew up
on that stuff, man, gas station biscuits time. My uncle's
on the shot back home, and I would eat there
every morning you just swing through that. You had the
Haunts Brothers hunk of pizza and I don't know, if
you have that, it'll uh yeah, it'll take me back. Man,

(08:11):
it's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
It'll take me back to the restaurant. Now. Yeah, those
days are over, man, I like I liked those days
and they were great days. Yeah, it's a thing of
the past for me.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I just can't do it anymore. I mean, like my
body is like I think my body is like, hey man,
we've had enough. Like you like whatever your tank is
of like gas station, chicken strips, hot wings, fish basically,
uh and pizza. It's like you're fool.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, I get that, man.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, I'll sting. I'll sting one every now, man, just
to look get a little pinch that little taste. Man scratching.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Oh man, speaking of I hopped on my truck this morning.
This just cracked me up because I quit, you know,
I did it for a long time, since I was
like sixteen or you know, you know how it is.
And I hop in my truck this morning and I've
been you know, in my truck for a year, and
I was like looking for something, reached up top, pulled

(09:11):
out a brand new, unopened can of the.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Kid. Yeah, that's come on though, I put it right
back where it was. I did. You didn't throw out
the window. We'll see how I do.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
On the way home. Who I'm right with. I'm right
with Hay slip, I'm dipping.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I ain't no doubt you're right with him? A good bit. Yeah,
we love that. We just right with the last week. Yeah,
he's a trick. He's been on here before. He's fun
baseball guy. Yeah, his boys are ross studs. Man. I
love falling him. Man, it's fun. Yeah, ers to man,
I know. Yeah for Bama, he's out, he's not people. Yeah,

(09:57):
that's right. Yeah, you a b or something other?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh really, Georgia, Hey, before we get get into that,
congrats on the new addition to the fam.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, thanks man.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
How what do you got? You got three kids? Now?
Three boy? Girl boy? What you got girl? Boy girl
girl boy girl? Uh? It's been awesome, man, I love
I love being a dad.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I didn't. I didn't, you know, see my career happening
this way, with like having a family already established and
all that. But thank god, you know, honestly, it's it's
been a really good I don't know, driving force for me,
I guess, and and still like staying out on the

(10:43):
road because I have something, you know, yeah, to do
it for like a bigger purpose. So that's cool, man.
I love doing it. I love I love getting to
be home for a couple of days and you know,
hang out with them, make up for lost time. It's fun.
But you know, the the beautiful thing where I'm at
right now, I'm super Uh. I don't know. I don't

(11:04):
know if this falls into your uh what's the the
what you what you're mad at? Yeah, I don't know
if it falls into that, but it's the opposite. I'm
just I'm so thankful I get to do this. Man,
I've been uh, you know, I did Chase Chase music
for a long time. I was in the bluegrass world
for like ten years and started traveling when I was

(11:25):
like eleven. You know, we're playing one hundred and fifty
shows a year in middle school, and so it's been
you know, I've been after a long time, not necessarily
in Nashville, but it's been cool. Man's that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's awesome. You know, I saw I saw a meme
or something of the day that Chapel Roon was saying,
is that how you saying? I don't know as I
say that, right? Is it? Chappelle Chaparral?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
That would have been my first?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Ye, Chaparral, that's it. I saw her say that. I thought,
She's like, why would I want to have kids? All
my friends that I know who have kids are miserable,
you know. And a lot of people are kind of
replying to that. And yesterday I was mowing the yard.
My kids are really in the four wheelers right now.
I got a five, two and eight months so my

(12:16):
girl boy boy, so we recently got her a little
four wheeler. I got a motor four wheeler, and we
got my son of twenty four little four wheeler. And
I was on the zero turn and I was cutting.
I was cutting like lanes, and I was watching them.
They were riding through the light, so I would cutting
outside lane and they take off on their little fourhelers
and ride around while I'm on the zero turning. I
was like, man, I wish I could bring Chapel rom

(12:39):
and put her on my zero turn right now and
just let her see and experience like what I'm experiencing
right now because I'm gonna tell you something like there
was a joy in that and it was nothing, right,
it was nothing, It was me cutting the grass, but
there was a joy in that. I was like, this
would change your mind. Like this section, this five minutes
of watching the them laughing and throw their head back

(13:02):
in the sunshine while the winds blowing their hair, their
curly hair around in those cut lanes. Dude, that's the best.
I'm just here to tell you, man, It it deepens
the well.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, there's some there's some five minute
moments that would probably not change her mind.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oh there's there's some six hour beat. There's some six
hour beach trips that would that would definitely you know,
drive them. Also, I'd love to see somebody like that
on a zero turn. You can't tell me, but you
can't tell me that the good don't outweigh the battle
a million percent.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah you know you're you're dead, all man. It's I
love It amazes me how like, you know, I don't
know how else to say it, but simply minded children
are like they just like they they'll notice stars. I
don't even remember the last time I like looked up
and was like, oh yeah, there's stars. Yeah, it's just
like they're they're so oblivious to all the bad in

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the world.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's that child like faith. Man, it's that.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's that in a sense of of not seeing behind.
They hadn't seen behind any curtains and there, you know,
like they're looking at everything.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Crazy. It's crazy. You said that. We were at reads
last night. We left and my daughter said, oh, look,
my star's following me. And I was like, what because
we left we they're usually in bed, you know. Yeah,
we're on the way home from reads from Easter and
uh and and Boone said, you have my stars? I said,
they literally noticed the stars. Man, when's the last time
you looked up? Oh, there's the star there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
We're just so busy and you know, doing our own
things like you forget sometimes, like you know, slow down
there there there's I love kids, man. I've got a
three year old, almost two year old, and uh, a
month old. Maybe I don't know. I don't know, man, you.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Must be sleeping a lot.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah to me, let me ask you one more kid
question then we'll we'll get into it. So I've got
girl boy right now, same thing. Might will be my
first will be three in May. My boy will be.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Two in September, and everybody a, sorry, why don't I
always say September? My bad? I got it all mixed
up too.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
You were close, so you said you got girl boy girl.
When people ask me, they're like, if you have another
what do you want? I'm like, boy, man, boy, because
my little girl is my my angel, and I can't
imagine having another one. Honestly, man, I can't imagine having
another girl and and split, not that you split, and
I know it'd be perfect either way, and I'm sure
it is, but uh, they require a little bit. What

(15:37):
was that for you having having another girl?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I mean you're you're ready. They require more attention, you know,
at least right now. And it's funny because I thought
the same thing is when we found out it was
another girl, it was just like, oh no, dude, there's
no way, Like WILLI is the same one, because WILLI
is my my first too, so like there's that can
also she's like the one that made me a dad,

(16:02):
right And now I'm like, oh, man, I gotta I
gotta find something something. One of my uh, one of
my mentors, Kevin shrim told me, he's like, man, don't
it's like when we found out, He's like, don't worry
about it. He's like, there's a secret little door that
God puts in your heart for for that third Like
like there's it's there.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You just wait. I'm like a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
It's there, man. Yeah, but it's it's been fun. I
you know, she's still a little a little you know,
vegetable right now, so you know, it's just cute getting
the getting to hold her. Uh you know, I don't know, man,
every every time I'm home, Like that's that's the fun
part now is I'm able to to go out and
play shows on the weekend, and that's when I get

(16:48):
to hang out with my boys, you know, like that's
when we have fun and we're still grinding and working.
But you know, that's the that's the fun part of
it to me is is we're able to do that
and then come home for usual a couple of days
during the week and right in town and stuff. So
I've been getting like the full circle, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Part of it. So yeah, it's full it's full term. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
We'd like to do a little segment John called what
you mad at Just tell us what it is, what
you're mad at is that your in lost kids might
be boss.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Man or your neighbor's cat. Just tell us what you mad.
The first three that's the first thing I had to
I thought I knew where it was going. You did good? No,
uh you mad anything? Bluegrass guy, that's where he hit

(17:43):
the right, got you got.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
I mean it's just waiting at haven't have any I
don't know, man, I uh, you'd be glad to I'm
I'm mad at airlines and actually I'm I'm mad at DNA.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Bro. I'm like, I'm like, what's going on here? Okay,
they're still working on everything?

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Well, no that we we show up right and they're
they're like not busy, not busy, it's early morning flight whatever,
Like not a lot going on. That is when they're
okay with you not taking everything out of your guitar case, right,
They're like, oh yeah, go on through. It's when they're
like maxed out of the you know, out of the

(18:30):
back doors, and that's that's when they're like, you know,
they make you take everything out, like down to your picks.
I'm like, bro, your yeah, because you know, we've been
flying a lot, so I'm like packing. I have like
closed computer in my you know, my roads. Yeah, and
it's just every time, dude, I'm like, what how does

(18:51):
that even happen?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Man?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Like what that doesn't make sense to me? Like why
have you got the fast pass whatever it's called. Yeah,
I got pre check Yeah, and it's that's been nice.
Yeah that has a few spots. Yeah, sometimes it don't matter.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
But sometimes it don't matter, right, Yeah, I took a
load of nine millimeters into an airport before, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I can't get.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
That'll do it for a while anything. Yeah, I got
a I got a short lower back pain is what
I'm mad at. I've never dealt with it until now,
and we've been towing our kids around a whole lot
and staring down forty on my lower back is crash sh.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I'm mad at uh. Like when you go to Walmart
broker and there's the like the obvious like walkway, this
goes two ways. What do you mean walkway thing like
between the aisles and stuff? No, no, no, When you're
pulling your car in front of the building, there's like
that you stop to let people go across, you know, yeah,

(19:54):
like the main strip. I really get mad when people
stop me. When I'm driving and give you a hand
and stuff right there, I'm right right clear, Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude,
there's I'm stopping. I get it. I also hate. I
also hate when I'm that person and I'm going to
walk across and they go like they wave you on,

(20:19):
tell you to move. Yeah. I'm like, I know, I'm
about to walk to see the cross I'm about to
walk across. I don't need you to direct me to go.
I'm going. You need to be the one that stops.
Sounds like a personal problem. It sounds like a deeper,
deeper roots up. If I'm walking across the crosswalk, I'm
not going to turn and thank you for allowing me
to go because you posted to let me go. Yeah.

(20:40):
And if I'm pulling up, I'm not stopping because you'
putting your hand up. I'm stopping because I was stopping already.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
There's a lot of people that don't understand the term
right of way. A lot of people I don't get it.
I understand that it's not a it's not.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
A consideration, it's an actuality. You have to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good one, bro.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I appreciate that I would hold out for a couple
of weeks. It sounds like, Okay, I came down.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, hey, man, where's like where It's not It's it's
really not normal for us to get somebody in here
that we do not know, like at all. I have
never met and you know, because the road is a
small place, a small town and in the middle of
a big city, and you kind of know everybody. And
it's one of those things where anytime we meet somebody
that does what we do, it's always like you feel
like you don't know each other, but you know each other.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
You might not know us, but we kind of know you. Yeah, no,
I know you guess for sure. Man, I've been fans
for a minute. It's just it's like you said's funny
how we haven't cross paths.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, there's there's a few people I've said the same
thing to when I when we finally met, I'm like, dude,
I don't know why it took us so long.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You know, it's like we're instant buddies. I literally like years.
Sometimes it takes years. I mean we've been to town
twelve fifteen years only yeah, uh going on six years. Yeah, yeah,
where's home? Like, where's home for you? Where'd you grow up?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Silver, North Carolina. It's like probably forty five minutes west
of Asheville in the area Smokies. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's
not far. It's probably four and a half five hours
from here.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
J'all get hit with the storm, the big storm. Yeah,
dude was wild because I was here and.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I was watching it, and I knew it was going
to be really close. I knew were going to get
a lot of rain, but I didn't know if we
were going to get directly hit. So I was watching it,
and literally the last second it went right around my
hometown and went through Burnsville and all that, and dude
absolutely wiped Burnsville out.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Really.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
One of one of the guys in my uh in
my camp on the road. Uh, he's from there, and
he called me. We were going out to I think
we were going to Charleston, like the day after it happened,
and he called me. He's like, dude, I can't, I can't. Uh,
I can't go this weekend or it's gonna be tough
because I got to go back home and get my
mom out of her house.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
She was like surrounded by water, you know, had no power,
no running water for a couple of days. So I
heard so many stories like that from did he boat
to her? How did he get to her? No?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
They I think him and his brother drove as far
up as they could and then they hiked the rest
of the way.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Oh yeah, it was you know, it was. It was wild.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
He's sending me pictures and like videos of just like
you know, vans like just crushed just by water.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
You know, it's like seeing some of those towns in
the like in the valleys down there between just completely gone.
You know, you just see the foundation and mud.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, roads, like infrastructure, the entire thing just like just
like you took your hand, it just went going downhill.
Is a powerful force when there's a lot of it. Well,
I didn't understand it really until Zach Massy gave us
that that he talked to us about it on here,
and he said, basically, imagine like a tidal wave coming through,

(23:56):
except it's coming at like sixty miles an hour like
the force behind because it was coming downhill. When that
damn broke, it was coming downhill, it just I mean
just crushed everything nothing hold that dude. Water is a
dangerous thing. Man, well, are they get making on their feet?
Everything is?

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I think so, Man, it's you know, people people there.
It's like, you know, they take care of their own.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
There was a lot of.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
A lot of uh, I don't want to say, like
false information. It just wasn't getting talked about, you know,
and enough. I don't think I know that. You know,
Church and Luke and those guys did a huge fundraisers
did a lot, but you know, like immediately it wasn't like,
you know, there wasn't a ton of like awareness about it.

(24:44):
I don't think like how how bad it actually was.
And so it took a minute. But I had had
guys on the road tell me that one of my
buddies has a trucking company and he was like, man,
we're trying to get in there. We had like eight
semis full of supplies that we're trying to get in there,
and uh FEMA was turning them away because they didn't
have the right permit to be crossing over.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So you hear stuff like that and you're like, what, like,
you know what I mean, don't make sense.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
And he was on the ground like he was there.
He made several trips and and that was just like
one of the first ones. He's like, dude, we literally
just rerouted. We just because the roads were all messed
up anyway. It was like we just found another way,
you know. Yeah, it was like they were turning people away.
And yeah, they had like they were bringing, they were
dropping supplies, right, and then they had nowhere to store

(25:32):
these supplies, so all the supplies were just out in
the weather and like, yeah, so it was just weird stuff.
But I won't get into all that.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, something you can't prepare for figured out and try
to get through it. Well, you never expect something like
that to go through that area too. Like that.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
That was the crazy thing to me. It was like
no one there has flood insurance or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, so it was it was wild, man. But I
think they're I think they're back on their feet. And
I came through Hot Springs not too long ago, about
a month ago, and you know, forty still shut down,
but I think half of it's opened back up now.
But I went through Hot Springs and yeah, it was
like flooring outside of everybody's houses, you know, they just ripped,

(26:16):
had to rip the whole floor. Yeah, it was just crazy.
It was like you were saying, but what was.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
What was your outdoor experience growing up? Like, did you
hunt your fish? Yeah, I'd say, are you in the mountains? Yeah, okay,
that's a little different. That's yeah, mountain hunting is pretty different. Yeah, yeah,
it's It's funny. We we didn't have there's a there's
a few deer around me. But I didn't.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I didn't get into like white tail until really, like
I was late in high school. Man, I didn't. I was,
like I said, I was always playing music every weekend
we were gone, you know, and I'm playing all these festivals.
And then I played ball, you know when I was
in during the week, went to school and played ball
and did all that.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
So I stayed busy. But how did you have time
to play hundred dates a year if you're playing ball?

Speaker 4 (27:03):
It was back and forth, man, Yeah, it really was.
Looking back on it, I'm like, I don't know how
we did that.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
But are you playing that many dates now? Yeah? Maybe not.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Uh yeah, I probably will this year. Uh but yeah,
it was just I don't know. It was wild man.
You know, we're always on the road. So again I
got into bow hunting, you know, pretty heavily about three
four years ago, and because oh dude, I love it.
One of one of my friends I met on the road,

(27:36):
he sent me a brand new Phase four and I
haven't got it set up yet, but I've been shooting
my my buddies. I bought my buddies Dad's old Botech
and I just have that thing dialed in. Yeah, And
I'm like, I don't want to sit in the stand
if I don't know what I'm shooting. Yea, I know
I can put this one in in a small group.
So it's a lot of fun. Man, how far do

(27:59):
you feel like, how okay?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
What's what's max distance for you that you feel confident shooting? Confident?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Oh? Man, I mean I've slung on it probably about
sixty sixty, but that I've hit sixty, you know, just
just target shooting.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
But dude, a different thing when there's there's whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, I was probably six feet off, like it was bad.
I had I had a glow tip on it too,
because it was late, it was getting late. I was
hunting up in Minnesota last year and this massive dough
comes out right like right before it's getting dark. And
it was about sixty yards and she was coming across
the ridge. I mean, I was like, I'm gonna try, man,
I gotta I'm tired of sitting out here. So I

(28:47):
flung one and sure enough it got buried in the
corner field. Never found it. I had a glow tip
on it, Like, howd on I am not seeing this
in the snow?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
You know?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
It was wild, Yeah, I was. I was sitting around
the fire the other day.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Enjoy was out walking in the backyard, kids riding their
little boys around and hanging out, and and Jordan came up.
She goes, look what I found? And it was a
maximum red Like I mean, like like about probably three
years ago that I shot and missed.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
The target hard to find. Once you let them go,
they're hard to find. Yeah, what do you? Uh so
you said you're on the road a lot? What do
you do out on the road to like you look?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I mean, you sound like a like a like an outdoorsman.
How do you like, how do you do that out
on the road? How do you how do you scratch
that ditch out there?

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't get to a lot really, Yeah, that's that's
one of the hard things about the road, you know,
I grew up like even though it wasn't like I
did a lot of small small game hunting. Most of
the guys, most of my buddies back home ran dogs.
They either rancoon dogs or they were bear hunters, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Really bear the mountain.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, man, yeah, they just they run dogs. And I
I never I never got into it. But you know,
I was always hanging around those guys and watching how
they worked them.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
And it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
But I don't know, man, I just I got a
small squirrel hunted and turkey hunted and did all that.
But you know, honestly, I fished a lot more than
I hunted. I love stream fishing, and you know, we
up in the mountains. There's the Tuck River runs tuck
Sig River runs through my hometown, and it's like a

(30:27):
really popular place for fly fishing. A lot of fly
fishermen come through there. So I never got into that.
I just I've always just opened reeled and I just
loved doing that, man, just walking up and putting your
waiters on, walking up the creek and fishing. But I
don't know, man, I I do love whitetail now, man,
I've got the buck i haven't killed a buck yet

(30:47):
with a boat, so I'm like, I'm trying to I'm
trying to check that one off.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
That was my first deer I shot with my That
was the first buck I shot with my bow in Illinois,
and I've been I've been bow hunting for close to
probably five six seven years before ever even getting a dude.
It's hard, man, It's hard getting them big deer, yeah,
close to your stand, It's really hard.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
And then it's hard executing the shot with a bow. Yeah,
it's it's hard. I mean, you're you know what I
feel like when a white tail goes from three to four,
this like mega jump happens in their maturity to where
it's like they're just they just change into a different animal.

(31:30):
It's almost like you're hunting a different animal. And if
you're trying to kill that or hunt that quality of
a of an animal, like you're gonna have to work out.
You had to put some time in, you know. And uh,
I mean you go shoot a little six point or
something and get your feet wet if you want, and
then there's nothing absolutely nothing wrong with that. But I'm
saying that jump from three to four is a that's
a different animal. Man.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, we're the same way, man, we do. We've we're
two weeks in the Turkey season now and we've had
a heck. I hope everybody's Turkey season is going to
again as Arthadel. We've had a heck of season.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But my turkey tank is this compared to my deer tank.
My I wish I wish it was November fifteenth every
day of the year, you know. And I'm sitting in
Kansas and a and a you know, just a bohunt.
But uh but but I will say, man, you talk
about stream fishing like there is, it's hard to beat

(32:22):
ripping smallies and brown trout out of a little creek
with a with a spinning reel man and.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Cg in a song. I didn't know. Hey, I didn't
know that river. Uh, but somebody from it might be. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
I was gonna say, see up there close Asheville, close
to the Tug.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Is that close? Yeah? That's a cool name for a river.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, great there. Yeah, you called the Tuck.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's what my touring company was, Tuck River Touring. That
was the only one that was available. I tried to
eight hundred more. I'm like, how does everyone There's no
way all these are taken, just like doing being my name?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
What's my name?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Man? I got a few. I think my I think
it's racks and plaques right now. Oh nice, Wow, that's good.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I was sitting with Lindsay Rhymes, who was an Australian
songwriter here in town, and he was trying to come
up with a name and I said, dude, you know
what you need to do and he was like what
And I was like, koala, t's kuality quality too from Australia.
He was like, oh my god, and so he uh

(33:34):
he changed it to And so we were at the
Bemis he got he got an award for a number
one and they're like, Lindsay Rymes with quality, dude. I
was like, yeah. So he never hunted or anything like that.
He would get He would be funny on the show
just because he has no idea about any of it,
like no stuff. And it was the first time we

(33:54):
were at Sony and we were so broke at the time.
We had to like I would literally bring in whatever
my dad cooked from the weekend, you know, and eat
on it all all week So I had these little
medallions where we had taken a white tail tender lorning,
you know, cut into medallions and grilled them. And so
I was like a little fillet, like a little white
So when I pulled that little baggy out, I had

(34:16):
a rite and I ran in there to get some
lunch real quick, and I grabbed that baggy out and uh,
he had come in behind me. I didn't know it.
And so when I pulled it out, you know they're
like little rounds. Yeah, he was, oh cookies. And I
was like, no, man, yeah, go get you. This is
he is? What is it? And I said, this is

(34:37):
deer Tony and this is like me? This is I said, actually, man,
it's really great. Would you like to try what? He was? Oh? No,
I like my I like my meat from the store.
I was like, all right, man, this is not from
the store. But no, not a chance. Good dude, though,
good dude, chout hey. What's what's something? What's something from

(34:57):
from your childhoodhood like growing up and out door or
is that you that you wish to pass on to
your little ones.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
That's a good question, man, I mean I think it
it's honestly, I think just a great time to spend
uh with somebody, you know, if you're you got somebody.
I like I personally when I'm bow hunting, I like
being by myself.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I don't I don't want.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah, Like I like that time, especially now because that's
you know, especially now, Yeah, especially now for all the reasons.
But it's just fun, uh, you know, being out in
the woods, especially if you're out in the middle of
nowhere too. Like that's my favorite. That's that's what I
loved about back home. There were those spots where like

(35:43):
you can go out and not hear nothing, you know,
like you're just hearing you know, wildlife and whatever's going
on in the woods. And I just loved that environment.
So I was always in the woods doing something. But
I don't know, man, that's a good question. I feel
like one one kind of niche thing that we did

(36:04):
growing up is a different kind of hunting. But it's
called gen sing hunting.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I have ever. Yeah, I heard about it.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, that that was something that me and my dad
did a lot because we were uh, he was always working,
right and so when I started working for him, Uh,
we would always be up in these.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Really like wooded areas. What did he do. Sorry, I
don't sorry.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
He was a property manager, had his own own property
management business for a long time, and we, you know,
would be out on a job somewhere and we would
just walk out and in the woods and look for
Jen saying, you know, back in the day, you could
take in make a thousand bucks a year probably if
you just you know, if you kept the roots. Sometimes

(36:51):
they wanted them dry, sometimes they liked them right. Well,
there's there's a season for it. It's basically an herb
that that gets used in like a lot of energy drinks.
Jen Sing's in there. It's really good for your energy.
And they're saying there's a lot of other health benefits
of it now. But yeah, you could take it down

(37:11):
and that there were buyers, at least in my hometown.
I don't know if they're legit, and I don't know
who they're selling it to, but that paper, Yeah, but
I made a little cash every year. I don't know. Man,
That's that's one thing, like one type of hunting I
guess that I would like.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
To pass down.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
That's cool because it's it's kind of you know, it's
native to to western North Carolina and it's fun to
do it here.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I mean I don't know, I don't know how you
do it or where you do it. But I mean
we've I ran into people, uh like jen Zen hunting
on some of our properties have just been like, hey man,
we doing it, oh man, just looking for In that case,
you're like, okay, well dig it because we're not doing
anything with it. Yeah, is there like a.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Certain like moriles. It's like, what is it like around
like wedded areas? I mean there's so much old trees,
the tree stuff. There is there a certain like I
mean you see the top of it, right, are you
looking for in a certain area?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
So it's an herb and it it likes really damp
like wet areas. Uh So like if you're if you
get back in a holler somewhere, like you know, it's
where there's a lot of moss and it's just really shaded,
you're probably gonna you're probably walking on it, you know
what I mean. And the the other thing that looks

(38:28):
just like poison ivy. It's got the same leaves, but
the way you tell it apart is that it has
uh these little berries that get they turn red when
it's when it's seasoned. And the leaves will wilt into
like a yellow color, so they kind of stick out
when it when it's the right time of year. But
you can spot them, you know, in the woods if

(38:50):
you know what you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You dry the root, dig it out, drive the root.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
You know, it depends like some there were some years
where yeah, they wanted it dry, so you you know,
just leave it out and let it, let it air
drive for however long it needs. And like I said,
we would just dig a little bit, you know, every
every day, and by the end of it we'd have
a pound each, you know or whatever and go turn
it down. But yeah, you sometimes they wanted it wet,

(39:17):
sometimes they wanted it all dried out.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
It just depended on what they were doing that year.
Sounds fun yeah, yeah, I mean it's a reason to
get poison all over you. Yeah, that would be my fault.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Like this is a song never Yeah, it's just funny
because you know, you get you get shot digging somebody's
gen sing up back home.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
That's only when you said that, I'm like, a yeah, yeah,
how do you get ground to gens? Hunt? You ask?
Or do you just kind of just hunt your own ground?
That's it, Uh you can.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I mean some people don't care, right, like the kind
of like that too, like I'm not gonna dig it,
so you might as well. Yeah, but yeah, my palpal
planted a bunch around and uh my my childhood home,
and so we were always like trying to protect it.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
It's kind of a little little heightie spot up there.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah. Man, any any drama ever go down with somebody
trying to dig some he may ever get shot or anything,
not that I know about.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah. Now, I don't think anybody has, at least none
of my relatives, So yeah, who knows. Man, There's there's
always something going on back home. I love I honestly,
I loved growing up in North Carolina. Man, it was
a lot of fun. It was just very laid back.
I've you know, I'm I grew up in the same

(40:39):
house my mom grew up in, So it's it's very
deeply rooted there and get a lot of family still there.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
So do you ever think about going back? Yeah, I
do like moving back.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could do
it full time now with what I do, but yeah,
it'd be nice to be nice to have a spot
back there. That, you know, you could go. I would.
I love fall time there, man, it's like the best
time of year. So it be nice to if we
had a weekend off to go back for yeah, a
few days.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, you're not at the point, right, you don't. You
don't get that for a while, buddy. No, I'm dreaming,
but dreaming on the mountaintop though. Man. Yeah, I mean
here we are. How what'd you say, six seven years in? Yeah?
Six years due. That's awesome, man, Yeah, that's awesome. So
you started playing piano. I saw you had some piano
lessons as a kid or something. How'd that go? Uh?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Not as well as they I hope they would they.
I actually I love playing piano now, just cord like
I didn't learn anything, but I hated it at the time.
It was like just a bear, and so I was like,
I'm gonna try a fiddle, and then that was god awful, dude.
The fiddle was like even worse. Yeah, it was rough.

(42:00):
And then I finally found guitar and stuff with that, so.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
It's fun.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Bluegrass was cool too, because you got to learn how
to play multiple instruments. Most people do just from jamming
and hanging out and so it's fun. I get to
I like playing bass and mandolin and stuff too. It's
fun to do that every once in a while on
a demo or something.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Who was your band, like as far as your first
little bluegrass band? Who played in it?

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Family or buddies or what?

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah? The first one I was in was you gotta
tell the name of the band you got to Yeah,
Mountain Faith Bluegrassto.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
If I would have give you three guesses, you would
you would have put Mountain in there somewhere. Uh No,
it was fun. Now we yah cousins band. And then
my uncle was like our band leader. He drove us
around nice. Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Church festivals anywhere anywhere. Yeah, anywhere anybody would take us.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
That's the weirdest place you have played, guy, Always think
my band we played this, We played this thing. If
I told this one? We played this thing for who's
the guy from uh Sweet Oabama? Leonard Skinner. It was
like one of his like yeah, it was one of his,
like cousin or something. It was like a name you

(43:22):
haven't ever heard, like Ricky van Zander or something. It
wasn't like Ron. It was kind of an off thing
and we played this gig and they were like the
we opened the form of course, you know, and they
were the headliner. Well, the guy had had had already
like assured his payment, and then nobody got real cold.
It was weird. It was like summer and he got

(43:43):
super cold, and nobody came to the show obviously because
nobody knew us, and they definitely didn't know Ricky, you
know what I mean. Yeah, So the guy was like, uh, well,
you're gonna pay me. I'm a van Zank, You're finna
pay me. He brought us all in the end, He's like, guys,
I don't have any money. Basically, he was just saying,
like no show festival, I know. And he's like, I
don't have any money. And we were like, okay, well

(44:07):
how much beer you got left? You know, and they're
like we got a couple of cases. We're figured, okay,
we're cool, just send us with that. Well, Ricky wasn't
having it, bro He was like what do you what
have you got? He was like, I mean all I
got to my name is this Harley And he was
like where are the keys? Right here? And he's like
drove back to Nashville. Baby took the dudes. I watched

(44:28):
it took it Ricky or whatever the guy's name was. Yeah,
it was pretty tough, pretty tough. He got his we
never got it. Was cold blooded dude. But anyway, that
was a terrible place to play. If you got any
anything stick out in your head, is like the worst
place you ever played or the best random place you
ever played? Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
I don't places kind of sometimes like vinyards roll together sometimes.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, I just didn't know.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I just have like stories, like I remember places from
stories like we well, one of the funny early ones
was ya, you'll like this, and we we played this.
We were playing at church I can't remember where. We
were somewhere somewhere in North Carolina and we were playing

(45:15):
this church man. And I'm not making this up, man,
I swear I'm not. We're in the middle of it.
We're in the middle of our set and we're playing, right,
and they the pastor came up like kind of I
don't know if it was planned before. I didn't know

(45:35):
it was planned, right, and he comes up. He was like,
all right, we're going to take a brief intermission here,
you know, and we'll be back in ten fifteen minutes
and we'll finish up the concerts. So we're like, okay, cool.
So we're like, you know, taking a break and hanging
out and talking to people, and all of a sudden, well,
I think, honestly, I think it was for them to

(45:56):
take a smoke break, because literally everybody went out on
the on.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
The front porch up, yeah, and like, yeah, we take
a break.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Well, all of a sudden, this dude starts with like
running down the aisle, right, and he's a bigger dude.
And I was probably dude, I don't even know, I
was maybe thirteen or fourteen, maybe it might have been
that ot and and they it was the pastor son
and he was running down and dude, they were like

(46:27):
pinning him down. They were cutting his rat tail off.
He had a rat tail about yay long, like actual
just just old school rat tail.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Not braided.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
They were talking about it was braid. It was it
was braided, yeah, yeah, but that's all he had. It
was it was buzzed and then a rat tail.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Like buzzed full on. And they were we're getting you today.
They're like, we're done with it.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
And that happened in our intermission I just I don't
know why held him down. They held him down and
cut it off? What did they cut it off with
a pocket knife?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Right? Story? Right? That is the best gig story I
think I've heard. Dude, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, and you
feel like you're dreaming it. But maybe I did. I
don't know. But what was the guy saying? I mean,
I want to visualize my head as much as I can.
Don't cut my right tail? Was he screaming, don't cut

(47:20):
my rat tel?

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
He was pissed, but for sure, yeah, I would be.
It was one of those things. It's a long time ago,
right right, Yeah, that only had a commitment that only
happens at a at a mountain bluegrass show for sure.
For sure.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah, you could tell that it'd been bruined for a
while though. Oh yeah, like somebody didn't like the rat
tail for a while, probably or maybe.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I mean, honestly, I don't know anybody loves especially if
it's if it's all shaped and that's the only thing
rebelling going there's he'll billy rebelling going on right there?

Speaker 4 (47:57):
For sure?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, I mean, so what happened after? I gotta know
what happened? He stayed for the show. I don't remember.
I have woke up at that point. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
I don't remember. Let's play the gig man. Yeah, yeah,
I was there to put it. No, I just remember, like,
and I swear my I need to call my dad
and have him back me up on this. I think
he was there. But yeah, I just remember like that scene,
you know what I mean. That's that's all for you all.

(48:31):
I remember thirteen years old. Yeah, there's people ripping STIGs
on the front porch of the church and somebody's getting
their rat toel cut off.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
All right, we're back from intermission. Rat Tael religion. What
I want to know is if he stayed for the show,
he was like, all right, I have my seat back.
What they do do? They whip it around? The lots
of I'm definitely what was spun it around? Yeah? What
else would you do with it? I don't know. I

(48:59):
wish you had. I wish you still had. I wish
somehow you had acquired that rat tail and built it
into your guitar strap to where it was like hanging
off the neck. That's a not a terrible idea. Actually,
next time, is that a turkey beard?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
You kid, He said, no, kid, I played the show
and scalp, scalp, He'll billy scalp And oh man, where
did the thing that was funny? Where did the songwriting
start for you? Were you writing songs back then, like
back when you were young, or did it come later
in life?

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Honestly, I didn't know a lot about the songwriting world
until I got, you know, into high school, maybe the
little out of high school, honestly, because uh, you know,
with traditional bluegrass, you're just playing the same song as
everybody else, plays a different way. Yeah, you make your
own version of it, and so it's fun in a
lot of ways. But that that was kind of the

(49:58):
turning point for me. It was when I I'd been
playing bluegrass for a couple of years and and you know,
it was in that that circuit heavily. I was just like, man,
it's a lot of fun. But I didn't see it,
you know, really like being something I could do as
a job.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
It was it was like a hobby for me. It
was fun, but it was also like I knew if
that's where I stayed, I was going to be doing that,
that would be my thing.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah, And so I also knew that, you know, I
just want I had. I felt like I had something
to say as an artist too. I didn't really know
what it was, but I was like, man, I just
think it'd be cool to write my own stuff. And
so I got into, you know, looking more into credits
and like who who's on this? And you know who
produced this? And you know, I started learning a little

(50:52):
bit that way. But that's really was a turning point
for me. I like just got burnt out a little
bit on on the road and doing grass, and I
was like, man, I'm gonna try writing. And I had
a few buddies, actually my my uh my drummer now,
uh he's a buddy of mine from back home, and
uh we would we would write all the time, and
before I moved here, we would.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Uh. I started slowly.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
My dad had a little woodworking shop in his In
his shop, it was like an add on that he
put out there. You know, it was always turning, turning
bowls and like doing woodwork and stuff. And uh, when
he was still working heavily, heavily, I slowly started moving
one piece out at the time of his equipment because
he wasn't getting to use it.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
And I eventually made it a music room, and uh, surprised,
but yeah, it was. It was nice to just had a.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Little spot where we could, you know, meet up and
and just and write and so it really I'm thankful
for those because I felt like it got a lot
of bad ideas out, you know, before I moved to town.
So it wasn't like, you know, hey, I'm this and oh,
let's write about my boots today, you know, like it's like, actually,
you know, I feel like you when you when you

(52:05):
grow up. At least for me, I grew up listening
to country radio right like I never I listened to
a lot of bluegrass, but not like I did country music.
I was always listening to the country of rock something.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
And who was the guy who was? What year was
this did you?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (52:22):
For as far as like you know where I like
what age I was? Yeah, I was probably maybe my
early twenties at this point I've been working.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Okay, what year is that? Uh it would have had to.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Have been like twenty seventeen eighteen maybe.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
I'm not good at math either, especially today. No, I was,
you know, it was in my early twenties, I know that.
And we because I was working you know, had a
good job, no bills, right, I was like in that
in that spot where you like, I'm chilling, man, I
can go by again if I want to. But yeah, yeah,

(53:10):
I just uh, you know, I knew, I forgot what
I was talking about. We were talking about why or
who is your earlier yeah influences? Yeah, sorry. I I
really loved country music and listen to rock, and my
dad was like big on seventies music, so he always
had some wild band playing that he was you.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Know, yeah, yeah, so it was fun. Yeah that's cool.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
He uh, I don't know, man, It was just I
had all these different kind of genres that I liked,
and when we started writing it, it really helped me
kind of flush some of those ideas out and be.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Like, Okay, this is cool, but is there like a
hook here?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Like I didn't know what a hook was, honestly, Like,
how would you you just you know, naturally you're like, okay,
this is the title, so let's try to get back
to that. You don't know. I didn't know like what
set ups and all that, you know what I mean,
like in depths on it, and so I was just
trying to get it close and It's funny looking back
on some of those ideas. You're like, I went through

(54:16):
a couple of on this one of these flights, just
like digging through old stuff, and I was like, honestly,
it's not a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
You just missed. We were way off.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
But it's cool, uh, you know, seeing how far I've
been able to, you know, come in the last five
six years on the writing side, because I really that
was my thing. I wanted to be a songwriter when
I moved here, Like I knew that that would I
knew that if the artist thing happened, it would happen,

(54:45):
and it might take a minute. And I was fine
with that, you know. Like I said, I was kind
of burnt on the road anyway at that time, and
so it was really really healthy, I think for me
to just be a writer for three years, four years,
you know, and just like write for other people and
didn't necessarily like help me, hone in on what my

(55:06):
sound is, per se, but it helped me figure out
what it wasn't, you know, writing for other people. It
was just like, which is just as important? Yeah, trufu. Yeah,
And it's and I enjoyed writing. I love chasing somebody's
thing with them, right. I love doing that, but yeah,
it is you just I just I was just mindful
of it, like you just know, like I'm yeah, I

(55:27):
would cut this song, but I would do it this
way or whatever. You know, it's like you kind of
figure those things out. So it's really good for me. Man,
I'm thankful for those years of just like really grinding
writing five six days a week. You know, I'm doing demos.
I still I was doing a demo last night. Man,
Just I love I love it. I love music, man,

(55:48):
I really do. It's it's it's still fun for me
even even though it's a grind right now and you know,
I'm seeing that side of it it stuff. Still love
doing it.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
So yeah, tell you probably tell this a mean times,
but I want our listeners to hear about your your
moving to national experience and getting hooked up with totally
and Kurt and Jason and those cats.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, I don't know this, go into this a little
bit if you don't care.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of wild.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
We sorry for Did you have the support of like
was the family band like yeah, go to Nashville, or
were they like don't go to Nashville and sell your
soul to the country music devil.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
You know, yeah, I think I wouldn't say they were.
You know, it's just it's funny, like you're there are
some people in those hometown people that are like, oh
yeah you get you go on, honey, Yeah, well you
chase your dreams and home will be here when you
come back.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
The devil's playing paying pretty good. I'm preachers kids like
Baptist Southern Baptist fire from the you know what.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
It was.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
It was the same thing we had.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
We had one or two guys that were like, hey, man,
go go be light in the in the in the
Nashville man like, go go do you know that thing?
And then someone were like, I can't believe you ain't
doing Christian music, you know, saying that ain't God's calling
for your life.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I know, if anybody knows God's calling on your life,
it's funny.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Yeah, I mean there is probably a little bit of that.
But you know what, man, I just I try to
I try to just keep the uh the morals that
that that place instilled in me. You know, there's obviously
things when you get older you realize like maybe I
don't agree one hundred percent with that, but I see

(57:33):
what they were going.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
For to, you know, get that. So yeah, yeah we
love politics on this sure, sure thing. Yeah whatever you say. Yeah, sorry, no,
but she's like, yeah, she just had a little heart
malfunction there. We'll over that word. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Oh man, it's I don't know, man, I just I
it's it's so much fun for me to get to
do this now and like actually make money doing it. Oh,
I know, like this is the first year we are,
but but it's you know, it's just fun.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Man.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
It's like it allows you to really focus on it.
It's that was always the thing for me about the road.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It's like.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I would love to do that if I could solely
focus on that and like solely focus on being a
front man and like playing guitar and like doing that,
because that would I'd be able to do my best
at it, right, So that was kind of always my thing.
I was like, it'll happen when it happens, but it
definitely happened a lot faster. Okay, I was telling the story. Yeah,

(58:46):
so yeah, we I didn't start making trips like really
to write until about twenty nineteen is when I started
making trips down here from back home, and I would
I would come down here and crash on my buddy
Rob's couch and write for a couple of weeks, and then,
you know, when i'd run out of money, I'd go

(59:06):
home and work and you know, make enough money to
come back and do it, you know, for another week
or so. And I did that for almost a year,
and then finally in twenty twenty officially moved to town.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
And yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
It was funny because while while I was like making
trips I think it was in twenty nine town, I
was making trips down, my buddy Rob was like, man,
let's let's go out to eat. Like I had never
seen Nashville. I'd never been downtown, like nothing, right, Like,
uh just kind of showed up. I was like, So
he's like, yeah, let's let me let me show you

(59:42):
around town. So we go out to eat or something
and we get it uber. Right, We're like uber and
downtown and this guy picks us up, super nice guy.
You know, we're chatting and he's you know, telling us
about how he's been in town. I've been a writer
for a while and you know, who'd worked with and stuff,
and so it was like cool, man, can I take

(01:00:03):
it with a grain of salt? And just like yes,
it's cool. And so he dropped us off and we
parted ways. Didn't get his info, nothing right, like just
thanks for the ride. Uh Well, about a year later,
I had moved to town. I had a part time
job over at Aubrey Mills, working at a Lucky brand
if you can imagine that. And I was was working

(01:00:26):
one day, usually was stocking shells, but they had me
out on the floor they're shorthanded, and uh so I
was like walking around and I saw this guy come
in and I was like, I recognize that guy from somewhere.
So I approached him and it turns out it was
it was my Uber driver from a year earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
And you remembered your Uber driver from a year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Earlier, Yeah, well I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I don't even feel like you see your Uber driver's
face very much. How he's just.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
A memorable guy. He was one of those guys like it.
So I don't know, and he's I'll get to the
good part, but yeah, he's just one of those guys.
He's a very nice guy, like easy to talk to,
friendly guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I think you were supposed to And yeah, in God's plan,
it sounds like this guy is supposed to be remembered
in your store.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
That's that's a great point. That's probably exactly what it was.
But yeah, we we just kind of we hit it
off again and he was like, he's like, what are
you doing? Yeah, He's like, what are you doing? And
I'm like, well, you know, I get a mixing demos
in my bedroom and doing this and you know, trying
to grind it out and get better rooms. And he

(01:01:41):
was like like, man, I'd love to write.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
We set up a it was a zoom right, it
was our No, I take it back. Our first one
was in person and uh we actually read over at
river House and uh, I was I was in uh
having conversations with zeb over there, you know, looking to
sign just the standard pub deal, and we were kind
of I was doing demos for for his guys and

(01:02:06):
and he was plugging me in on riots and stuff.
So it was kind of one of those things. And
that's that's about when this happened. And so yeah, anyway, John,
his name is John, Me and John started writing songs.
John Edwards, Yeah, do you know John? Yeah, Yeah, I
gotta write.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I'm writing with him maybe this week, maybe next week. Yeah, yeah,
he's great, Yeah it is. But yeah, he started chatting.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
We started writing a few songs, and then he was like,
hey man, i'd love to I'd love to pull some
guys in on on this idea. We had something started.
I was like, yeah, sure, and it ended up being
Kurt and Tully and uh, you know, he'd been writing
with them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
For grinding twenty years until any success at all came in. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Yeah, he's Uh, he's one of those cases man, where
you're just like, I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
It's like, yeah, I don't know. Memorable due now he's
a very memorable guy, just genuine you know, like he's
just a good dude. And but yeah, they they we started.
I think they helped us finish the song, and then
we actually wrote in person after that a couple of times.
And then I was mowing my grass one day and uh,

(01:03:24):
Tully text me and was like, hey man, can you
I think I had to work that evening and so
I was just kind of clean up around the house.
He's like, can you can you like sit down and
do an acoustic video of the song, this song we wrote.
It was like the day before we finished it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I was like sure, So I sat down, had like
grass all over. I didn't you know, I didn't know
what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I was just doing a video. I didn't know what
he wanted it for. Sat down, played it, played through
it or whatever, sent it to him. Well, maybe an
hour later, I get a phone call and random random number,
random number, six one five. So I'm like, and I
usually don't answer fun no, I'm like, nah, but it
was six month five, So I answered it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Well, now you turned down six one five numbers, then yeah,
somebody hits you with six five or someone who does
anybody but anything? Yeah, this turned out You're right, very true,
very true. I was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I was answering any six one five numbers, but no,
he he I get I get a phone call, answer
it and he's like, hey man, it's jasonal Dean gets
your phone number from Tully and he's like, they've been
sending me some stuff you're writing and just really dig
you know your vibe and what you're doing. And he's like,
we we started a publishing company in a in a

(01:04:42):
record label like two years earlier. And he's like we've
just kind of been sitting on it waiting for somebody
to sign that we really believe in and and we
dig and he's like, i'd love to, you know, love
to chat about that with you. And I'm like I'm
literally sprinting inside to find my roommates and I'm like, dude,
this is a prank call man Like yeah, so, but

(01:05:03):
I'll say this, man, I always always try to say
this because you know, there's there's always somebody that really
like steps out and takes a leap of faith on
you and it's like, dude, oh yeah, this is my guy.
That was al deem Man, Like there's there's been a few.
I'm not saying he's the only one, but he's the

(01:05:25):
guy that, like, you know, he wasn't just like, oh yeah, well,
we'll sign you to you know, publishing. He's like, dude,
you're a writer. I wanted you as a writer, an
I'm gonna sign you as an artist. And that was
the coolest thing to me because I was like, at
the time, I was literally just singing demos, like and
people would ask me to sing demos, but I wasn't
like I wasn't the singer in the room, right, and

(01:05:47):
I didn't care to be honestly, I enjoyed being the
producer in the room and still do. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
It was just a it was kind of a.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
A moment that clicked for me where it's like, I mean,
if he believes I can do it, surely I can
do it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
So it was a cool, very cool him. I always,
you know, be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Appreciative of that for him, just a confidence boost at
that at a time where I probably needed it, you know,
to power through like where I was, you know, in
the grind phase of like having no holds and no
you know, really nothing to like show for everybody back home.
Are you still down doing the music? But thank you

(01:06:30):
for asking. I'm still depressed having attacked all the yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
You can play my sons, yeah covers? You know, Luke Bryan,
I got my kids. My uncle wrote something would be
good for Sorry, dude, I got that this weekend. I
still get that. It never that never goes away. No,
I never can go away.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
It's like and I used to really used to really
annoy me, but now it's kind of it's it's almost
fun just to see what people think might work.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Yeah, dude, I love it honestly, Like somebody gave me
a mixtape. It's a CD of I assume all songs
that they had so little written, and dude, what I
took away from I would never think of that. That's

(01:07:24):
what I took away from. Like you could put me
in a black room with four walls and give me whatever,
and I would never.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Say that title, you know what I mean. And it's
not even it's like it's kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
It's like what I was saying earlier, like the idea
is not bad. It's just you just missed. You have
no idea how to right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
But it's crazy to me how sometimes you're like, dang,
that's it's actually.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Not bad, bro, what a natural story like that is? Yeah?
It is, man, And that that goes Like people ask
me all the time, they're like, what do I need
to do? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Like, like I love writing songs, but you know I
can't I can't get down there enough and what do
I need to do? And the first thing I tell him,
I'm like, bro, you got to move here. And maybe
maybe not because because of social media now and TikTok
and all that, but like you got to be it's
almost like you have to be present to win, especially
if you're trying to start off doing it well. It
depends on what get a foothold in the town, you know,

(01:08:22):
it depends on what avenue of the business you want
to work in. I feel like as a songwriter, you
have to be here as an artist. Yeah, you can
kind of and maybe not as a song or maybe
people search for that. I don't really know, but I
feel like you gotta be uh around to take the
call right to jump in the room the one time
the guy doesn't make it and your buddy's in there

(01:08:45):
and he just so happens to say, I got this
guy that just moving up here from Florida, you should
check him out. Like it's almost been in a position
waiting for an opportunity and when the when the opportunity comes,
you capitalize on it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, but that could take six months or that could
ta sixteen years. Yeah, I was, Oh, it's so wild.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Yeah, I mean you're exactly right. And and you know
again like in the moment you're like, god, dude, when
is this When is something gonna happen? When it's something that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Is something every going to happen. I mean, we also
know those guys that have been here for thirty years
and have had plenty of album cuts, not sorry, not plenty,
but enough to just kind of keep them in the
in the town. Bro John Edwards, I mean what, right,
like twenty years of that's that was the I forgot
to say the payoff.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
The coolest thing to me is that, you know, after
we had these conversations with without Danny, who was like,
I love to chat about it whatever, well they signed
John and I both cool man, Yeah, somebody nobody more
deserving than that. And dude, what what is crazy about?

(01:09:53):
I've heard a lot of his catalog and I'm like,
how have the world did this not land somewhere?

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Sure, you know, he's just like it's wild to me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
But you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Guy persevered through twenty years of like you know, whatever
he went through, and you know he's still one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Of the nicest guys in the world. You know, he's
a great guy and always have good ideas.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Man, always he's never out of I'm like, dude, how
do you keep that turning? Man Like he's always got
an idea? Yeah, I love writing one, John Man, He's
we still write quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
It's a great story. So cool man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Now here you are, dude, dropping your debut album. It's
out everywhere now Carolina Blue Songs, number one songs, number
one on the radio. Got a couple under your belt
as a songwriter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Three three? What how it's more than a couple?

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Few? Bad? They all right? Think?

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Uh? Bro? Put that into words? Man, like, like can
you can you can you explain that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, it's hard to man. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
You know it's from all the stuff I've been talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I just feel like I, you know, before I moved.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
To Nashville, I thought, for sure, I'm gonna settle down
right here on this mountain. I'm gonna, you know, own
this ten acres of land. I want to redo this
old house and I want to be here. And fine, yeah,
and I might have been just as happy as I
am today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Sure, But.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
You know, I just remember when I was working on
that old house one day and it just had I'd
been out of music for about a year, hadn't touched
the guitar. And that was like the I knew it.
I knew something was up when I wasn't because I
always played guitar. You know, That's what got me into it. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
But I wasn't even playing guitar.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I was kind of out of it, was burnt, like
had some things kind of fall through where I was like,
all right, yeah, that's that's a old news for me.
You know, I gotta move on. And I just remember,
like sitting on this old house is just like nailing
something into the roof or something. It just hit me, man,
it was just like what do you like? What are

(01:12:09):
you doing? Bro? Like you I knew I wasn't happy.
I just didn't want to admit it, you know. I
was just like I was fighting that for a minute
where I was just like something's up, man, Like I
just there's something messing in my life. And I wasn't
really thinking about music until that moment. It just hit
me and I was like, man, it's just it's just

(01:12:30):
em me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Yeah, I feel like it's all. It's all always. If
somebody asked me, hey, what do you get at music?
I mean that that was what I was best at, right,
And so I think just having it out of my
life it was good because it made me realize how
important it was and how much I loved it. But yeah,
getting it getting it back into you know, into that

(01:12:54):
feeling and in that moment and then now being able
to you know, see fruit come from you know, digging
in and selling that property and like dissipating that dream
and letting that beautiful piece of property go. Like just
to do this, like it tells me, you know, not
only one that I made the right decision, you know,

(01:13:15):
but it's also it's like you says God, you know,
showing me like Okay, here's the next route for you
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
So it's it's very cool and rewarding in that way.
It's such a grind out here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
I wish you know, people I don't really care, but
I doubt I don't think a lot of people understand,
you know, radio tour and like and uh, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
That there's no way to now that's what I mean.
There is no way to understand how hard that stuff is. Yeah,
it's just it's the job, right and just do it
if you want to do it. That's what everybody's done it.
Everybody has to do it. It doesn't stop, it doesn't
get less. You just accept it, you know what I mean,
And you can get a little more picky and choosy.

(01:13:59):
I feel like goes, but it's always a grind, man,
So I just I try to be thankful for it
because you know, who knows, maybe that will's fall off tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
I still go write songs and be happy. But that
that's the rewarding thing for me, man, to answer your questions,
just like, you know, knowing how how low that feeling
was before I made the decision to move here and
then getting to see this happen, and like have friends
here in Nashville that like are lifers, man, Like I

(01:14:30):
have great a great friend group, like people I met
early on when I moved to town that I'm still
really close with, not just writing buddies with, but like
friends with, you know, and you know, getting to engulf
myself into Nashville and like be a city city boy
for a minute, Like, uh, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
It was a great growing point in my life, I
think in a lot of ways. But I love it, man.
I love getting to do this and I'm very thankful
for this job.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Man. That's well said. Yeah, man, it's been fun having
you home. I can't believe it's been an hour. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
A way out Wood is it is my jam. Yeah,
I love kid myself we were talking about that. But
the record's great, dude, thank you. The record's great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
And and I think you said an interview like you're
trying to get parts of you out there too, and
I can I can see that now sitting here talking
to you for a little bit over an hour, I
can see where those tracks kind of intertwined throughout your
life and the five of some Man. It's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Yeah, thank you stuff. I appreciate it. I'm you know,
it's always nice getting new music out. It's just like,
I don't know, it's especially like this project specifically. I
feel like all of all the artists we're talking about
have had an influence on me. They've all had a
debut album, and it's probably one of them. It's probably
my top three, you know what I mean, not not

(01:15:53):
to say that it's like the best, but it's just
my favorite because it's it's that first project, you know,
like give me a few, uh, I mean, Church Is
Carolina is one of my favorite like albums.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Ever, possibly I think one of that for our generation,
one of the most influential records there is in country.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with us. One of my favorites.
I love obviously huge Keith Whitley fan, so his his
was a big one for me. I think of the
other one. I don't know, man, I love I'm a

(01:16:36):
big skinnered fan too, so all that stuff is really
really fun to me. I just I don't know. I
guess my point was, like, you know, I was beating
that to death trying to put this project together because
I'm like, I can I can nitpick something to wear
it out, you know, even writing like I'm I'm a
slow rider most of the time, and I just like

(01:16:58):
I want every line to matter, you know, like I
want it to be right. So that's kind of how
I was putting this project together. I had a lot
of time to do that, and so I was just
in the weeds on it, and you know, I had
this whole thing I was trying to I was trying
to go too far, like make it art toy far
to right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I was just like I was so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Zoomed in right. And I called al Dean one day
we were talking about something. He was like, He's like,
how's the album going? And I was like, it's going good.
I was like, I feel like I got, you know,
pretty much what I feel like I need on there,
and he was like, don't forget you need hits right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
And I was like, zoom out moment. Yeah, I was
like thanks, man, I needed.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
That because I was just so far into it, and
I was like, you know, putting all these things and
and honestly, it's true, at the end of the day,
put your best songs out there, you know what I mean? Yeah,
And so I tried not to worry about, you know,
sonically always everything because the cohesiveness to all my favorite
records and artists is the vocal and a lot of

(01:18:05):
times the mixing engineer. Can you know that that has
a lot to do with it. There's all everybody's important.
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, you know,
that's that can be cohesive enough to like tie a
record together a lot of different sounds, you know. So,
I don't know. It was just really fun to make. Man,
this this you know, I co produced it with Brent Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
He's so good. Yeah, yeah, he's uh, he's one of
my favorites. And guitar player too, man, they got oh yeah, dude,
he's sandbags on. Jamison told me something real fun about
Brent the other day. He was we were talking about
just like artists and musicians and in town, and he
was like, yeah, He's like it's like Brent says man
and uh He's like. Jamison's like, man, how is how

(01:18:49):
do you so good? Like? How do you get so
good at guitar? And Brent was like, oh, it's probably
fun for you to have friends when you were young.
I just played the guitar all like having friends. It
was like being cool. I don't know, I just play
guitar a whole life. He's crazy, man, he's awesome. Great.
He is in The Killer Songwriter too.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Man, all right, we gotta do it. We gotta do it.
I know. I wish we could stay for another two hours.
We all got yea who you are right about? Today? Man?
I've got uh Frank Ray oh yeah yeah yeah with
him last week. Yeah, Paul Sykes, you know, oh yeah,
all today and uh Sony, yes there's another. I'll be

(01:19:33):
over there to Oh wait, no I'm not. I'm at
his house. I'll be at his house. Parker Welling, you writing,
you're working today?

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
I get another one of these today.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah. The competition, who is it? Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Outside the line?

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Take it? I'll take it. I would take it podcast
take it out, bro, plenty of room, don't we don't
listen to podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Hey man, your music? You do a thing at the
end of the favorite tune. We talked about it earlier.
If you wouldn't mind giving he's still stuck on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Ronnie, you want to do something else? What do you
want to? What do you want? Do you tell me? Well,
you guess?

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Do you normally hop in?

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
I mean we can hop in if we know the.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Do you know stranger in my house?

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Ronnie, Stranger in my house? Yeah? Out here? You play
it though, Okay, we'll see you do that. I don't
know what you're a real life you're a real guitar player.
Play whatever you want to, bro, or don't play anything
at all?

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Oh you know this one? Oh, let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Where there's a clown?

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Do'ms rain tears and my don't mean pain on fighting
your shu, I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Smooth baby. Things on on with what they say? You
can't believe everything every on my face. I'm a you

(01:21:20):
you heard, I'm drinking more than I should and I'm
been looking on that. But someone told Jo sticking aro.
But why they make them old stories.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
And I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
John Morgan up Guy's Country. Everybody smell oh dad, sound
like a bit on the road. That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
That was a good Hey, maen, y'all go check out
Carolina Blue. Uh grass man, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
You too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Got your little present for coming on the show man,
oh Man to COVID likes to likes to make us
look good and and hook hook our dudes up with
some thank you, fresh pair of fresh pair of kicks
for you. Wow, dude, pretty loyal to the red Wings.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Get them red wings, you know. Yeah, they look like
they've been they've seen some they've seen my balls.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
But you can't wear these too, c M as you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Hey, we appreciate your thanks. Thanks for coming out looking
all this up congress everything. Man, I'm a fan y
Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah. Yeah, pulling for you, bro, Thank you man, Thank
you all for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
It's been fun. I was definitely getting a room sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Check out Carolina Blue out everywhere now. Thanks for hanging
out in God's Country. You next time.

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