How To Win On and Off The Field

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, man, bro, thank you for being here, Thanks for
having me making the drive at.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
The long two hours and fifteen minutes. It's supposed to
be two forty five. But God hasn't sanctified my speed
limit driving yet. Okay, He's working on me. Okay, obeying
all the laws and ordinance of man.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I understand that's one of the last things to be
sactified in. So I was telling my son Lincoln, who's eleven,
and I was like, you know my buddy Heath Evans, Yes, sir,
you know he's coming for the podcast today. He is, Yeah,
you know, he's Super Bowl winner, right. He goes who

(00:40):
did he play for? I was like, well, Patriots for one,
and he goes, Daddy, you think he has Tom Brady's
cell phone number. I was like, that's that's where your
mind's going like that.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm just God's he's affectionate towards Tom Brady and got
some YouTuber or something, you know. To me, you know,
he's got a real hero.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I mean, it's it's this is part of my bigger
frustration and maybe you know this. Kids these days don't
have teams anymore. They have players. Yeah, have you seen
that trend?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, you know, so our four adopted little's right, I
got I got two loyal boys to Dad, and then
I've got the oldest loyal boy to mom. So he's
a suffering Cowboys fan just because Mom was born here
in Texas. So she's of course got a roof for
the Cowboys and the little Noel. She just she's just
Mama's girls. So it just is what it is. So, yeah,
those boys they love Daddy's teams or they love Mama's team,

(01:33):
and all all of our teams collectively, Cowboys, Patriots, Saints,
we're just we're on struggle street these days.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh I know, I know. And and so that's I
can't make a better argument with Lincoln because I'm like,
look at the Cowboys. Never mind, don't want to get Cowboys,
you know, don't do that. But it is frustrating that
that he's like he knows every player on every team
and every number, but there's no team loyalty. Yeah, this
is this is something I think it goes back to,
like in ol nil stuff because there look at those guys.

(02:02):
Those guys don't have loyalty either.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, and we see it really across the landscape of sports.
But when you look at SEC football and the NIL
and this transfer portal, it's kind of crippled. What made
the SEC so beautiful. It's also what made my Patriots
team so beautiful. That it was just you had fifty
three alpha dogs that all just laid it down for
each other. There wasn't like we're not trying to get

(02:25):
out of here and go here, but no, no, no, how
do we sacrifice for each other? How do we put
the team first? How do we work hard? How do
we do our stinking jobs so that everyone gets glory?
And that's why we won so much and that is gone.
And it's like, you know, Auburn, you're trapped there for
three or four years, right because if you transfer then

(02:45):
when I was playing, you had to sit out a year.
Nobody wanted to sit out from playing football for a year,
but Auburn, we just had a bunch of just tough
old dudes, right, and we were good my junior year.
But you know, Auburn's somewhat of a football program. Now
we're a basketball program. Bruce Pearl's turn around our.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Football team number one right now?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Install you know what I mean, I love it, you know,
I'm just I love all burn through and through. But
we'll leave that football discussion for another day.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's hard, yeah, if we will, and hopefully you'll be
back many times if you ask. But yeah, that the
college football climate has changed so much that you know, me,
I'm such a huge fan of Texas A and M,
but it's very difficult to remain a good fan in

(03:34):
this climate.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, you used to recruit a young man and you
would speak to his parents and you try to figure
out what were the priorities of this young man. Did
he want to grow in manhood? Did he want to
grow in discipline and integrity and character? And the good
college coaches were really trying to pinpoint. Okay, hey, is
this dude a stud athlete? Great, because we need those,
but is this kid going to lay it on the line,

(03:57):
you know, for me and the staff and the the
players around him? You know? And now, like you listen
to Nick Saban talking about how recruiting, how hard it got, right,
I was so surprised to see Belichick jumping this un spool,
you know, in the college ranks now having to recruit
on a kind of a one year term and try
to build a college program around it. So be interesting

(04:19):
to see. But the selflessness is the most beautiful thing
in the world, and it's really how soul was satisfied
being like Christ. And yet everything that's being sold now
is about selfishness. And these kids, you can't make them happy.
They'd ever find satisfaction if they get the first little

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lick of adversity. Oh, I'm not starting as a freshman.
I'm out of here. We're raising a bunch of losers
and a bunch of quitters, and it's the opposite of
what college football used to be.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Did you hear that Nick Saban bit about transactional verse transformational?
He did it on College Game Date several months ago.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I've probably heard something about you him and Bill
Belichick's stories that they're all the same.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, totally. But really this is kind of when
he's spoken out a lot about why he's not in
coaching anymore. Oh I know, yeah, but he also talked
about his success happened when he realized the difference between
transactional coaching, which is input output I need this, I
need a win, and transformational, like, regardless of the outcome

(05:22):
of the game, we're making life transformations here together, and
I want you to leave the school, being a better
man than you started, and in the process of that,
they started winning games. And that's exactly what you're saying.
Transformational coaching. It's out, it's only about transactions. Now.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, well, how you win it, life and even how
we win in the Christian faith is about perseverance. It's
about selflessness, it's about working hard. It's about not seeking
your personal glory but a greater glory. And football is
not that difficult. It's just really really hard and painful,

(06:03):
and life is often that way, right, But the simplicity
of the truth that a Nick Saban teaches or that
a Bill Balichick taught us. You know, we think about,
you know, our kind of four commands when we came
in every single day, Let's do your job right. Well,
that seems pretty easy. But then when you start breaking
that down into what that cost a person, that's really

(06:23):
really hard. And then you start talking about working hard. Sure,
let's work hard, Well, what does working hard mean? It's
going to cost you everything during the course of the
season to truly work hard put the team first. Yeah, hoorah. Selflessness.
It's really really hard to be selfless, especially when selflessness
cost you playing time because that's what's better for the team.

(06:45):
You know, when Tom Brady went down in two thousand
and eight, my playing time kind of went out the window.
You know what, Tommy, we could do a little bit
of everything. Well, Matt Castle comes in, who had never
played really in the league before, never even really played
at USC, and Bill's like, all right, hey, listen, I'm
putting you on all four special teams can't really use
a full back because I gotta spread everything out. I
gotta let math cast. We'll kind of see the field.
So you've got to be ready to play. I'm not

(07:05):
going to give you any reps at practice. I trust you,
I love you, but hey, you gotta be ready for this,
this and this. But you know your full back reps.
You're thirty forty full back reps. You might see the
field ten or twelve snaps of game now. And that
was kind of the story for me in two thousand
and eight. Happy to do it one because I've been
raised by a marine dad who had taught me that
before I got to Bill. But everyone in New England
lived by that motto what's best for the team and

(07:28):
learning to put yourself aside into sacrifice for the benefit
of others is really one of the great joys of
the Christian faith. But for those that would deny our Christ,
it's still the only way to find somewhat of satisfaction
and pleasure in this life is building something around people
so that at least when you get to the mountaintop,
you're not all alone, because most people get there and

(07:49):
they're miserable. Well, we know the story, we need Jesus,
but freedom those that would deny the faith better together.
That's sweet, you know, just building something for me, me, me.
Those are the loneliest, most selfish, miserable people in the world.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know. That's the story of the fullback. Really, I mean,
the big number forty four fullback is not something someone
strives to be now. Yeah, it's like I gotta like
do the grunt work. I got to get the small yardage.
I don't get to get the big play. I don't
know if I want that.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
And so many of the teams don't even have them anymore, right,
you know, And the game is.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
You might be the last generation of the of the
great fullbacks.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah. What's funny is is most of the time we
get to this playoff season and like the final eight teams.
I've always said six of them are going to have
a fullback, you know, and we're really starting to get
to the point where that's just not the truth anymore.
And so I can't keep up with this game. You know,
the high school is kind of overtaken the college and
NFL ranks. It used to be the opposite, right, the

(08:51):
high school or coaches used to kind of look to
the NFL, Hey, what are they doing? And you learn
this pedigree of football that made you smart and mentally
and physically and emotionally disaip. Now it's like, hey, where's
the best athlete. Let's throw them a quarterback and then
let's pay play this chaotic brand of football and just
run around and hope we win. That's really what it.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Is, and that's what's happening in high school.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, and it's what's kind of we see in college,
and it's what we see in the NFL. Brady talks
about it all the time. The lack of mental and
emotional growth really cripples these guys by the time they
get to the pro game. I don't ever want to
be one of those old school guys. Oh it's tougher
when we did it right, we talk about rules and

(09:31):
all stuff. I'm not sure much of that really matters.
But we could trust Tommy at any point in time
because he was so mentally astute and so mentally prepared,
because he had worked hard and he had put the
team first and he did do his job that if
we were in a bad play that Josh McDaniels called
or Bill called, Tommy was going to get us in
a good call. And the way that team worked most

(09:52):
of the time, we'd all be walking up to that
line of scrimmage together saying, oh, this is a bad call,
and we'd all be kind of thinking the same thing.
Tommy would get us into that good play. Well, now
you've got players there that you know, they've just been
the best athletes. They've never been taught to shift protections.
They've never been taught to look at a defense and
be like, oh, well they're in some nickel package. They
can't possibly defend what we have coming. So I know

(10:12):
my first read is going to be blocked because of this.
Second two and three are gonna be wide open. People
aren't taught the hard disciplines of the game, and it
starts with oh I didn't get my way and so
piece I'm out of here. I'm like, I don't listen.
I'm not raising my three boys that way. I have
raised my three girls that way. And it's just, uh, yeah,
I don't know. It's taking a lot of the sweetness

(10:33):
out of football in a lot of ways. For me.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I can't imagine, man, because I see it and I'm
not in the game. I saw Tyreek Hill talking about
something about, you know, they didn't make the playoffs, and
he was talking to something along the lines of, man,
I think I think I'm out of here. Yeah, it's
not me. I'm not a guy that doesn't make the playoffs.
It was me, me, me.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
It's like, oh man, it's bad.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, especially for a team. Many people have been affected
by cancer, and so I don't ever want to be
that consideration. Say it, I get it, but cancer has
to be killed, right, and it has to be killed
radically or it's going to grow radically, right, And there's
really there's no neutral ground. It's the same way with

(11:17):
bad teammates. And Bill knew that in New England. We
knew that in New Orleans. And so no matter how
talented a player may be, that whining, that grumbling that
complaining it's a cancer, right, and it eventually it spreads,
and so you can take a good dude, and if
you surround him with too many cancers, that good dude's
going to become a cancer in your locker room. And

(11:38):
Bill was cutthroat. First round draft pick or seventh round
draft pick, if you weren't abiding by the law, you
were gone, no matter what it cost the team, because
Bill knew it might cost us fifty million now, but
if I let this fifty million dollar cancer stay, it's
going to be one hundred million dollar cancer like that.
And so it was cutthroat about Hey, we would call

(11:59):
it dealing with sent We're going to be radical with
it and move on. And there were so many things
as I kind of like for the Lord to save me.
And I look back on so much of Bill's teaching
in the way he built his teams. It's so biblical
in nature. He would never he would never say that, right.
His is more militaristic, given from his dad and just

(12:20):
his background, but it is it's built on selflessness, and
the law of the Lord was evident throughout the preaching
and the dynamics of that team. We were just doing
it for team glory and self glory and not the
glory of God.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
So you're not a Christian when you play football.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I thought it was. I mean, I was team chapelain.
I was leading chapels and I wasn't living hypocritically. Really right,
you're the chaplain. I was just in New England. So
when I got to New England, my buddy Don Davis,
faithful man of God Bill was he guarded the locker
room and he guarded the property and so just getting
a chaplain on site was hard, and so they had

(12:57):
always just kind of done it in house, so faithful
brother would just kind of step up and they would
lead it. So as Don kind of went about his way,
I kind of filled the void, me and my buddy
Ben Watson. And then when I went to New Orleans,
I kind of brought that same type of concept of like, hey,
let's we're a team. Let's build this in house. And so,

(13:17):
of course I had sin in my life, and of
course I knew that, but I was raised by godly parents.
But I was raised to believe that we choose Jesus.
And for the first you know, I was saved and
baptized at eight years old set a sinner's prayer, and
from eight to thirty eight I was convinced that I
was a boarding en believer. My life at that point

(13:43):
probably had one season that people would have been like, ah,
he just walked away from the Lord and season of sin,
call it lukewarm, whatever. But there was no ever intentional
like hypocrisy in my life. My dad just raised me
to be disciplined and this is what godly looks like,
and this is what repentance is. And so we would
confess and we would do those things, and I truly

(14:05):
believe my mom and dad do them from a regenerated heart.
I did it because it was just what I was
raised to do, and I knew that this was true.
At thirty eight, I just had a radical encounter with
the living God who saved my soul.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
You can't leave it like that, you can't.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Leave I've had such a blessed life, you know, from
parents to pastors to the NFL. God's graciousness to me
is common, just grace to me. I mean, I had
it all. I had everything that a young man needed

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to love God and walk faithfully and to fear him.
And in so many ways, Buddy from generosity, with the
financial blessings and the mouthpiece to boast about Christ. I
did all those things right, and I knew it right,
and I knew that this was the way to eternal life. Right.

(15:06):
But the Lord through some really painful times at I
don't even know where to start. Long story short, at
thirty eight years old, myself, Marshall, Falk, Lawren Sab, Donovan McNabb,
a whole group of us, some of our executives were

(15:26):
accused by one woman of sexual harassment.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
So you worked for the NFL network network.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
For those of you all listening, ten years in the NFL,
I was the chubby white boy that everyone said would
never play in the NFL. I was like, screw you,
watch this. I got this, you know, arrogant as can be,
and of course, praise God all the way. This is
his doing. YadA YadA, Yeah, of course, of course right.
I always said I wanted to play ten years and
then reevaluate and then go into TV. By God's common
grace to me, it's exactly what I did. I played
ten years, jumped off the train physically healthy, had offers

(15:56):
from ESPN and NFL networks. So I'm like, oh my gosh,
you make a lot of money. Just run in your
mouth about this game, way better than taking a fullback beating.
So I do that for eight years at NFL Network
and was building a very strong brand for a form
of fullback. Fullbacks don't get these gigs. It's quarterbacks and superstars.
I worked with Dion Sanders and Kurt Warner and all
those guys. And I was divorced from my first wife

(16:21):
and it ended in twenty fifteen, but it had ended
years previously, just kind of that long, arduous years of
process of kind of finishing. But after my ex wife left,
it took about eight months before I just I looked
like the world, and I loved my sin, and I
practiced my sin, and I was really good at practicing

(16:41):
my sin. And because I didn't really truly know the
word of the Lord right, and because I didn't have
keen theologically sound eyes bringing me the proper rebukes in scripture,
I just thought I was a Christian string a Christian
that is wandering. I was not being disciplined by the Lord.

(17:03):
In twenty eighteen, this lady accused myself and those other
names I mentioned of sexual harassment, and I hit rock
bottom really, really quick. The way it went down was
I was innocent. The league knew it. I had given
them my phone, my email, they knew it all. They
paid me a lot, a lot of money for nine
months to keep my mouth shut. I'm like, hey, do

(17:24):
I need to hire a lawyer?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Like keep your mouth shut about? What?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Well? This was the thing, right, and so I'm the fullback,
I'm the Bill Belichick guy. I'm the one loyalty team.
The NFL has sped my family and blessed me severely
for eighteen years at this point, and so Hr calls
me in and they're like, hey, so and so it
has accused you of sexual harassment. I'm like, what great. Sure,
I whip out my phone and I'm like, look at
all these texts from this lady tell me she loves me,

(17:48):
she misses Ava, Naomi, my daughters, asking me to train
her physically, all this stuff. And they're like, oh, would
you give us as I'm like, sure you have whatever.
They're like, do you have any other pictures of her shoulder?
All these pictures of us together or babysitting my children,
all this stuff, right, and then gave them all access
to my email, Like, hey, how can I help you guys? Right,
So they're like, basically, okay, we see what's going on.

(18:09):
We're so sorry this is happening. You know, please, you know,
we can't ask you not to make any statements, but
but we'd ask you just let us what's good for
you is best for us, and what's best for us
is good for you. And I'm like, I need to
hire a lawyer, and like, well, we can't tell you
not to, but you know, our team is on it,
and we appreciate your cooperation and what. And so for
nine months they pay me almost a half a million

(18:31):
dollars just so I was never suspended without pay. They
knew clearly I had not sexually harassed anyone. I don't
know about everyone else. I'm not going to speak about
everyone else. I know this woman dearly. She was a hurting, sweet,
kind lady in certain ways, and I don't know why
she would do that to me. This side of eternity

(18:53):
and what God has taught me, I have no ill
will towards her. I have no ill will to the
people down up on network. But the end of the day,
they strung me along for nine months and then tried
to get me to sign some paperwork that I would
never sue them or sue her, and then try to
get me to just pay me to go away. And
I wasn't saved at that time, but I was like,
you're not taking my voice because I'm not going to
sign this paperwork because to the whole world, if I

(19:14):
signed this non disparagement agreement makes me look like I'm
guilty of something I didn't do. Yeah, I was not
walking in sexual purity and I hadn't been pure with
that lady, but I had not done anything that was illegal,
and I had not done anything that was of the
sexual harassment nature even close to it. Sure, and I
just said, screw y'all, y'all fire me, do whatever you want. Well,
they spent about a month trying to negotiate with my

(19:35):
lawyer to get me to sign something to take some
pay out. Hey, we'll pay out your contract if you
signed this, YadA, YadA YadA, and I just said, y'all
fire me whatever. So they ended up firing me for
a fitness picture that I had on their NFL network
phone that said if this ever got out, this would
embarrass the NFL. So they fired me for just cause
because I had some check in fitness pictures of myself
on my phone front and back that were I was

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naked their fitness pick. There was nothing sexual of them whatsoever.
And so yeah, long story short, fast forward. I know enough.
At that point, I'm like, I've been through a divorce,
lost half of everything I had, I'm living in LA,
can't move, funds ran out real real quick. All these
different things kind of hit rock bottom. I'm reading in

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First John. I get to the end of First John
and I'm like, holy moly, I'm not a Christian. I
don't love God, I don't love others.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Remember what it was?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
And well, in First John, there's this I tell our
built ready guys, it's like a test. Yeah, it lays
out love God, love others, and this obedience to your
supposed king will not be a burden. It's gonna be
a battle. We're gonna struggle with sin, We're going to
constantly have to run to the rock of Christ to

(20:56):
ask for forgiveness. But it isn't going to be a
burden that weighs your old down to follow your king.
And I'm like, man, I've just loved God for what
He's given me, and it was never Jesus that I
loved because I never truly saw my need for Jesus,
because I didn't see myself as the dude in the

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ditch that the good Samaritan had to rescue his life.
I could do nothing for myself. I needed Jesus to
drag me out of the pit, mend me, put me
back together, pay for me to be made well, and
then I can go out being that good Samaritan by
God's grace. I never saw myself the one. I didn't
see myself as helpless. I didn't see myself as dead.

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I didn't see myself as hater of God, enemy of God,
me running from God and Jesus and chasing down me
like he did Adam and Eve. And so eyes started
to be open to the true Gospel, not the American Gospel,
not the gospel I even really fully grew up around.
But then I got to like, man, yeah, I've looked

(21:59):
like a loved a lot of people, charity work, and
because I knew this is what you do. But the
whole time it was Heath Evans discipline. Just kind of
pulled myself up on my bootstraps, getting to work, love God,
love people, right, Obey and so it was. It was
the full back mindset. I'm just gonna go do to
work and I'm gonna find a way to get it done.

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But when I got to the kicker, I'm like, yeah,
I've obeyed, but it's always been a burden. It's always
been a burden to obey him. And I started to
buy God's grace piece this thing together. It's like, oh
my gosh, I'm not even saved, and.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
You put this together yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, well, I mean, heck no, it was all sir,
I understand it, And no I wish because at this point,
I'm going to a false church. Like it's been about
Maybe I can't remember all the exact dates, but it's
probably been somewhere between four to six weeks post being fired, Right,

(23:01):
I've run back to the Lord because I know this
is my refuge in time of help, my ever present
help in time of need. Like I knew these things, right.
So I went back to reading my Bible every day,
but this time the Lord opened my eyes to it
for real. And so as I'm like striking these things,
and I'm like, WHOA. And when I kind of came
to this realization that I'd just never been saved. Thoughly,

(23:23):
spirit was like, yeah, but these last few weeks, have
you not loved me? Have you not loved loving others
in a pure way that is like Christ? And then
in these last few weeks, has it been a burden
to serve me? And I was like, graciously, I'm like no,
Like my heart for the first time had been drawn

(23:44):
to Christ. And then as I keep reading, I'm like,
the Lord opens my eyes more to these doctrines of grace,
right and listen, I saw your beautiful library. Like people
have asked me since I was four, I don't read
Sports Illustrated. I don't read anything but my Bible. It's
kind of been my line my whole life. Yeah, well
that was just where I was at at the time.

(24:04):
And so all that being said, the Lord brought me
through some really hard times. I was suing the NFL
for what they did to me. Felt like through scripture,
the Word was like, Hey, are you going to do
it your way? Are you going to trust me to
rebuild whatever it is that I want to rebuild. Are
you going to be heaths still? Are you going to
be mine? And so in God's kindness, I just felt

(24:25):
like it was the right thing to do to drop
the lawsuit, sent the NFL somewhat of an apology. Hey,
I'm sorry for wow smearing smearing y'all's names the last
few weeks. I tried to word it very strategically where
it wasn't a fake apology, but I just tried to
be obedient to what I felt like the Holy Spirit
was guiding me to do about. They were the authority

(24:45):
that God put over me at that time, and they
were an evil authority, but I still needed to submit
to what God had rightly placed me under, and I
wasn't doing that by suing them.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Did anybody reply from the NFL to that.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yes, one lady, and it was much appreciated.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Would I mean, that's so weird, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
The lady who replied would have been the one that
I would have expected not to because she was one
that I had maybe the least relationship with. In those moments,
I started to slightly see how my life had betrayed
Christ in so many ways, and I started to see

(25:38):
what you and I would now call her depravity. But
I started to see that I was just evil, and
I was wicked, and I just used people, and I
was so blind to the reality of like, how disgusting
I am as a human and as a created being
of God. And yet everything, all of life had been
about me. And yet I was so evil and so wicked.

(26:02):
I didn't even know it, and those around me didn't
know it. You would have find people been, Yeah, he's
a little cocky, little arrogant, very confident what he's gonna
do and I'm not going to do, but very normal
for my field of influence and sports. Right, but the
people that knew me would be like me. He's gracious
and kind, and he's gonna bend over backwards to help people,
and he's got a real heart for anyone who's ever
been sexually abused, and all these ranks. So but the

(26:24):
Lord through their betrayal of me, which was hurtful, Right,
I had given eighteen years of my life to serve
these people, and then I felt like I had been
set up and trapped to kind of keep my mouth shut,
because from day one I wanted to scream from the rooftops. Hey,
I've done a lot of simple things, but I've never
done this, and anyone that knows me. And the crazy
part was I had so many of the women in

(26:45):
the NFL network that went to my defense, right, and
so they knew. Everyone in that building knew, right, he
ain't perfect, but this ain't Heath. And but as I
got past that, I and the Lord started to open
my eyes to his word. I just saw more and
more of how I betrayed Christ and yet he loved me,

(27:08):
and from eternity past he had a plan to save me,
and that his plan included me being massively betrayed with
international embarrassing news, my name being splattered everywhere because people
don't ever look at the content of a charge or
the context. Right, I don't care, Yeah, right, It's just

(27:29):
juicy gossip, right, And so that it's Marshall Faulk and
Heath Devins and listen, I was the I was the
that was the nobody name of the group of all
the people that were charged. Right. And then after nine months,
Marshall Faulk calls me and he said, hey, they're getting
ready to try to make us kind of take a
plea deal. They just drove all the way from LA
to San Diego to meet me and they're not bringing

(27:50):
us back. I'm like, what, so.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
So you you skated over the rock bottom part yeah,
but it was probably really bad.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, it's you know, it's funny like when you play
in the NFL, right, everyone thinks everyone's millionaires.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well, when I played, you get a few guys on
the team that were making really really good money. And
these are the hard parts because like I was making
really good money compared to the normal people. Right. And
then you know, you go through a divorce living in
LA and so then you kind of the way I
structured that I thought was wise. I'm like, hey, I'm
going to keep all my retirement and we'll just kind
of give all this, you know to the ex wife,

(28:28):
and is how we'll divide the line. And then I'm
working in the NFL network. So I had this great
job and so I'll kind of rebuild this wealth over
the next ten or fifteen years working for Fox in
the NFL network. Well, you know, two years after the divorce,
all that plan got shot to oblivion or.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Where where's Jesus in the divorce? Where's your face? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, and so.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I wildly relate to your story. That's you know, it's
part of my questioning is because I wildly relate to
what you're saying. In a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, I married my first wife at twenty two. From
day one, it was a really hard marriage, and I
thought I loved her well. I didn't because I was
incapable of love. I thought I served her well. I
didn't because I was incapable. I thought I dealt with
her heart wounds that were way before me. Well, I

(29:20):
wasn't capable.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
We hid everything in house, and so we had a
lot of secrecy that was just hers and ours or
hers and ours together, and we didn't seek wise counsel
because I thought I need to cover her and I
don't want to embarrass her. I don't want to embarrass us,
And so we were ill equipped to deal with those
things well, and so wounds just festered. It was just
really hard, and so for ten years, everyone would have

(29:45):
looked at us like, oh man, he's just loving his
wife really, really, really well through a tough marriage and
hard stuff. I wasn't because I was incapable of it.
But after about ten years, that bitterness and a knee
injury right in the middle of our Super Bowl year
with the Saints. After that knee injury, I got really
it bitter at God and didn't know it two thousand

(30:06):
and nine, we went our ring with the Norlan Saints.
I'm having the best year of my career, mid season
all Pro, and I blow my knee out in Miami again,
kind of like I'd always done. No one would have
known I was better at God?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Right, God, that you didn't know, and that's the only
reason you were bitter.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Amen, you just didn't know him.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Man. Amen, Hey, it's Granger.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Wanted to pipe in here and leave a message because
Heath Evans after he left the podcast, texted me and said, hey,
if anyone wants to try Vice Sarah, his company used
the code yee to get twenty percent off, and then
he said thirty percent off if you subscribe. His website
is Vice Sarah Nutrition dot com. That's v I C
e r A Nutrition dot com and you could use

(30:46):
the code yee to get twenty percent off.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
If you want to get a hold of me, an
easy way to do it is cameo dot com slash
Granger Smith. Cameo dot com slash Granger Smith. You could
order a video message from me saying whatever customizable message
you want me to say, Happy birthday, happy anniversary, maybe
a word of encouragement, whatever it might be. I think
it's a pretty good gift, especially for people you just

(31:10):
don't know how to buy. For Get him a cameo
from me at cameo dot com slash Grangersmith.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And it took about another year and a half. But
that bitterness with God and then kind of probably ten
years of bitterness with my ex ended up me being
unfaithful in my marriage. And then because I knew this
is what repentance looks like, I then confessed all of
that and then we try to start working through it,

(31:35):
and then eventually it was just too much and she left.
You know, a couple of years later, those years between
confession and ex wife leaving, everyone would have said, man
to copy the glory of God's doing in his life.
You know, he's returned to the fold, he's following the Shepherd,
all those things, right, And in a lot of ways
I was right. There was nothing outwardly hypocritical, right. I

(31:57):
wasn't hiding any sins. Again, I wasn't. There was nothing
that I was turning to other than Jesus. It was
in my Bible every day, all those things.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
It's in some some theologians would say it's like when
an animal dies, sometimes it still kicks a little bit.
Yeah there's still life that mimics life, but yeah, the animals.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Dead dead dead dead, right. And so after ex wife
left six seven months before, I was living like any
unregenerate single person with all the fame and all the
stuff that comes with being on TV every day in
LA And so my heart was I didn't know it
at the time, but what I loved was being revealed.

(32:33):
And it took a couple of years. And then because
before the beginning of time, God loved me, having nothing
to do with me, he disciplined me. It was hard,
but I'm so thankful and I'm thankful he still disciplines me.
And you know, I lost everything except for my health

(32:55):
and my two beautiful daughters. God was so gracious to
me in that. And you know, since July of twenty eighteen,
he's just been building the story that I asked him.
I started to ask him that Lord, I want you
to rebuild or build something that no man can take

(33:16):
credit for. I want you to have your way in
my life. We're not even the outside world can look
and say look what he's done. They have to say,
look what the righteous creator, God of the world has
done in Heath, and I believe that's what he's doing,
you know, so.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
The you know, I was radically saved out of cultural
Christianity through John fourteen. The disciple asked Jesus, Lord, why
is it that you manifest yourself to us but not
to the world. And as I'm listening to the sermons,
and I'm thinking, that's a good question. How was at

(33:57):
rock bottom searching for answers? Searching it for who was Jesus?
Because I didn't have any fruits of the spirit that
you're supposed to have as a Christian and in my
my rock bottomness, I didn't have It's like that, I
didn't have that. So so yeah, Disciple, that's a good question,
how will Jesus answer, because maybe that's maybe I need

(34:17):
to know this. And Jesus says something just it blew
me away, changed everything for me, And it's the opposite
of what I thought he was going to say. He says,
if anyone loves me, he'll keep my word, and my
father will love him, and we will come to him
and make our home with him. And suddenly, and suddenly

(34:38):
I knew in this reverse psychology that I was loved,
not because of anything I did, but I was loved,
and he was with me, and they had come to me,
and they had made a home in me. And yet
he says, you'll know the people that I've made a
home with. You'll know them because those are the people
keep my word. And I thought, so I'm loved, And

(35:01):
yet I don't keep his word. I don't even really
know all of his word. And so it hit me
from reverse. And that's that's where you're saying, the realization
that you were loved because he said something really interesting earlier.
You said, I used to think that I choose Jesus. Yeah,
isn't that American? That's the American gospel. Yeah, choose Jesus.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
One think about it. It's the opposite of the gospel. Yeah,
it's this people like we receive. I'm like, yes, I'm
a dummy, but even I can read and study what
these words mean. And this receiving of God's grace is passive.
It's like he's drawling. He's literally he is taking us

(35:42):
and bringing us back to the fold or the sheep
running away. And the more that the Lord just opens
my eyes to Christ, the more I just see, Oh,
my gosh, he loves me because I'm a disastrous train wreck.
And yet oh, my gosh, she loves me in seeing

(36:02):
the disastrous train wreck that I am in my own
power and my own my own being. It's what spurs
me on to be holy, like he's holy in that.
We talk about the American Gospel, right, and even the
way the Lord saved you, right, you'll obey. And so

(36:22):
we look at this believe word in John three sixteen
in America, we look at it like the demons. Yeah right, yeah,
but that believe means to love and to obey, And
it's very easy to see when the Lord gives you
eyes to read John right, that word believe close to
one hundred times or so. And don't check my math

(36:43):
because I'm full back. Too many concussions, right, yeah, but believe, believe, believe.
Then we get to John twenty and he's like, this
is why I wrote this, So you believe that Jesus
is the Lord, the Messiah, right, and then upon believing
you have eternal life, right, that we would just love
him because he first loved us, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
And so yeah, John three thirty six, whoever believes in
the sun has eternal life. Whoever does not obey. Yes,
that word all of a sudden's interchanged, does not have life. Yeah,
the wrath of God remains upon him, so he John
just casually other changes believe and obey. Yeah, as if
we would know that believing always equals obeying and obeying

(37:24):
always equals believe.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Amen. Amen. And then the start of John three, like,
we get so enamored with three sixteen, and rightfully so
we could, we could, we could. I literally think we're
going to be in the heaven leaves for for for
eternity after eternity, just wrapping our minds around that one verse.
But when you look at three five and six and
seven and eight, he literally tells us it's the wind

(37:48):
and he blows where he will. You had nothing to
do with your first birth. Why would you think you
have anything to do with your second birth? It is
the Holy Spirit that comes and gives you grace, gives
you eyes to the ears that truly want to believe
the Word of Christ, that sets us free and free indeed, right,
and you mentioned thirtieth at six, right, you know, it's

(38:09):
like when the Lord does his great work and literally
remove the scales from our eyes. It's like you can't help.
But see, I've had nothing to do with this, and
I've had everything to do with why God should abandon me,
why he shouldn't be faithful? Yeah, right, And he tells
us he humbles us from the jump because he knows

(38:30):
in his kindness that it's humility is the only place
that we ever find freedom, when we can get past
ourselves and rest and trust in Him. That's where assurance
of faith comes from. As you and I know, I
don't want to be judged on how I love my wife.
I don't want to be judged on how I faithfully
patiently discipline my children. I don't want to be judged

(38:51):
on how I love my brothers and sisters at Trinity
River Baptist Church. I don't want to be judged on
how I faithfully serve even our built ready community. No,
I just I need the merits of Christ. Otherwise I
am damned and I know it. But praise be to God.
He looks at me and sees Jesus, and it was
his plan from eternity, and so it has nothing to
do with me. And that's the freedom I need to

(39:13):
love and obey and worship and being all It's good man.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I heard a pastor say one time that Jesus. I
think maybe he said God. In this context, God is
waiting at the door, and he will not come in
because he's a gentleman, and he will come in unless
you invite him in like a true gentleman. And I
thought that sounds like an insecure boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, it just.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Needs acceptance or something. But that's not the way I
experienced it, and that's not the way any kind of
language the Bible uses.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It sounds like a man who doesn't understand the first
few chapters of Revelation. Those are church doors that the
Jesus is knocking on and we I mean, I'm in
the middle of Isaiah right now, and I'm just enamored
about how many times the Lord of Host, the sovereign,
Lord of heavenly armies, full command of everything, and everyone says,

(40:07):
I will, I will, I will you and me straying
and disobedience, I will. I'm gonna open your eyes. I'm
going to bring you home. I'm going to give you
a heart that once repents, once repentance and draws near
to me. Right to think about this, you know, it's
like the Jesus comes he's thrown out of life booie,
and all you got to do is grab it. I

(40:28):
have so many men in my life that I love
so dearly that still to the day use that.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, and yet I'm like, tell the real analogy.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Where do you see it in scripture?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Tell the real analogy of that.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
We're dead men, We're at the bottom of the ocean, right, Well,
we're just dead.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
We can't grab it life.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
But yeah, but for me, it's like I'm not in
the ocean. I'm I'm flooded in my sin. I loved
my sexual immorality. I loved my arrogance. I loved only
thinking about me. I loved lying, and I was great
at it. I loved all these things. They were my idols,
and yet they were crushing me. And God said, that's

(41:06):
my boy. I'm gonna go rescue him, and here's how
I'm gonna do it. And it's gonna look like utter
chaos and catastrophe, but you know what, he's gonna know
that I am God. And then I saved his soul,
and then I love him and it has nothing to
do with him, So that Heath Evans will never boast
in himself ever, ever, again.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
I think I just got saved again.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Man, No, it's not true. He saved he saved us
before he made all this.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Man, I didn't know it to that, to that full extent.
I didn't know your story. In fact, we were talking
earlier before we recorded, and I was like, no, don't
tell me, because I want to. I want to hear
it on the microphone. I already feel like anytime you
come to this area, you could just keep coming back
in because there are so many things I want to
ask and say that I think will be nuggets for

(41:56):
people to grab onto and so hopefully we could this
will be a relationship. We continue to have it back
and people are listening to comment below, bring back.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Heath, you know, don't lie though.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Let me slightly shift gears, and which is hard to
do because I feel like I have more questions about
what happened after you were saved. When I was in
high school playing football, I remember I remember the day
that one of our codes, our defensive coordinator, came in
and he introduced this thing called creating monohydrate, and he said,

(42:35):
we're all gonna start taking this and it was like
this in a jar, and it was like white and
like a sandy and see yeah, yeah, and we would
just take it. We would just put the scoop without
you know, we wouldn't mix it and you just do
it on the tongue and then get a you know,
some water and throw it down. And my parents are like,

(42:56):
what are you guys doing that? All the parents were
scared this new thing, like this guy is there's no
long term testing on this. I gained ten pounds immediately,
but it was a good ten pounds and it worked
in every sense. It worked fast. Forward to you know,
several decades. I'm on Instagram. I'm flipping through one time

(43:19):
and here's Heith Evans, who who I use his advice
many times. On this podcast, Heath Evans is talking and
he goes, men you need creating and women you do too.
And I'm like, really, I haven't thought about that since
the nineties. So I went right then to Visarah your

(43:39):
supplement company. Pretty new company, right.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, a few months old?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, a few months old. And I'm like, if he thought, man,
I trust this guy this not only is this? Does
this guy no fitness? And he was on the NFL network.
Did you see him doing the forty five bench press
to twenty five. Okay, hang on before we do anything else.
This is we got to do this before. Yeah, man,
you guys kind of look over my shoulder here. This

(44:06):
is crazy full box.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
When it comes to the bench press, who was the
top bulist Tommy Bohannan and the Fahu Tahi neither one.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Of them still in the league. Thirty six reps. It
says on the screen, I'm thinking that he got this
might be able to set a new record running you
want to get after let's do it all right, he's
on live television, right live.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
It was I wish I'd have gotten no warm up.
I wish I'd got no warm up. I might have
gotten fifty.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
He says, I talked too much trash.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
To him last year.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
In a suit man with a tie.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Crushing it two three, twenty four, twenty five.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Twenty six, not even slowing down, twenty nine, thirty thirty one,
thirty two, thirty three, thirty four, forty five, thirty six,
thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine he won.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Work no work.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Forty five, that's unreal. Twenty five so that's like the
combine that that's what you use. Two twenty five, So
can you get forty six.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I know you can't.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I know you can't. You can't. No way like you
can't get forty six.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
The heck no, the the training that was going Listen,
I was smack dab in the middle of wickedness and idolatry.
My God was my body and under saying I understand,
and my most of my effort was going into how
I looked, you know, from my botox face to my biceps.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You know, So is that the first time you got
forty five?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Uh no, uh yes, because you don't the training the
result when you train for those different things, right, Yeah.
I trained very different than those max efforts. So yeah,
I just went out. I had like one warm upset
with one thirty five for a couple reps and then
but normally, like on a test like that, I'd work
up to like four h five for like a double

(46:28):
just like so my central nervous system can like stress,
and then two twenty five feels like it's five pounds. Yeah,
so your first twenty reps it's like your body's like, oh,
it's just easy. Right, So those were fun days, good group.
I worked with an NFL network.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So my point is, I see this and I'm like,
if this guy's telling me I should take Creatam, then
I should do it. And not only is he telling
me to do it, but he says he's got he's
got a company that's cleaner than any other. Yeah, and
so I went and buy it. I bought it, and
then you quickly called me and said, why did you
just buy some thing from your own friend? Basically you

(47:03):
call me so anyway, then Amber got on it because
so this is just something I didn't really understand, and
this could be an entire episode. But you you now
have with your wife a supplement company. How you say it, Yeah,
we are. There's clean supplements, clean supplements. And then you
start talking you have way protein. You you start talking

(47:24):
about Australia cattle and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, listen, we want to help the church get healthy.
The healthier we are, the more energy we have to
serve Christ And listen, we have little kids and it's
it's it's all gas, no breaks around, right, And so
you know our company, by Sarah is a nutrition company
because we yes, we'd love to sell people supplements and

(47:48):
we can supplement a good healthy living, diet lifestyle. Right,
But any supplement in and of itself is not going
to rescue anyone. So we want to teach people how
to eat and how to think better about food. We've
been lied to, you know, you know, I don't know
RFK personally, but he's opening people's eyes to the lies
and deception that our country has been under around nutrition,

(48:09):
and so we just want to help people. Creating is
the most tested supplement on the planet, right, and if
it's American made, it's going to be very good. Right.
A lot of people buy cheaper stuff from China. I
would advise everyone not to. You don't have to buy
our as it by Sarah, but just make sure yours
is an American made company. Women, if you're here in
my voice, this is the best thing in the world
that we can do for our women. The number one

(48:31):
marker Launey. I know, right, because it's always been well,
this is the meathead supplement to get stronger, which it is.
But what is the number one marker for longevity? God
is sovereign over all our days. Our days are written
in his book, right, But we have enough science and
true knowledge now to know that the stronger someone is,
the longer they live. We look at COVID in twenty

(48:52):
twenty one twenty two. Who are the people that were
least affected, the strongest people, not the people with the best,
you know, body mass index, not the people that were
the most cardiovascular sound. Those are important, but the number
one marker was how strong is someone physically right? Male
and female? And they were basically unphased in a lot
of ways by COVID. And so creatine has so many

(49:13):
biomarkers just for women's mental health, helping them battle just
anxiousness and depression. We're seeing high dosage of creatine now
used in women's seventy plus that are alzheimer patients or
dementia patients, and they're actually reversing the effects, the memory
loss effects from this wicked disease. And so yes, it
will help you sustain and build muscle. Who wouldn't want

(49:34):
to do that, right? But then more importantly the cognitive effects.
I've had multiple concussions. You know, I take twenty plus
grams a day of creating because I'm just trying to
take care of my brain.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And what we know, what is that compared to what
I'm taking. I'm taking the three capsules.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
For you, you're having one serving a day. I have four, right,
but I'm also two hundred and seventy pounds.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
You do twelve of those capsules.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, And I use our powder because I'm always trying
to hydrate. I want to get more and more water
in my system with the right salts and the right
minerals and right vitamins, and so I kind of take
our collection. But we're just we want to help people
to think right about what are the right supplements we need, right,
and then how do we get healthy for the glory
of God? And so we do that with our built
Ready coaching and we do that through VI Syarah, our

(50:17):
supplement company.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Where did you learn all this stuff about? First of all, creatin?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, well, creating kind of like me in high school.
It started, Hey, you want to put on some clean,
natural strength. There was all kinds of crazy stuff. When
I got in high school. There was the stuff called
Ultimate Orange. I don't know what was in it. It
was like premium gas, right, like, your bitch is going
to go up twenty pounds in like one shot of
this thing, right right. My dad's I was like, I'm
not sure what's in that. I don't know we'd be

(50:43):
taking that stuff, right, But creating you know, people knew, Hey,
this is what it is. It's already in good steak, right,
It's in some of our food. Our body needs it,
we have creatine, we need it for our brains, we
need it for all kinds of things, right, and so
it's always kind of been one of those more acceptable things.
But just recently in the last few years, we've started
to see the scientific data about brain health and cognitive

(51:03):
function as well as cognitive repair, the epidemic of mental health,
especially against our females. Right, Christy and I want so
badly to teach people the benefits of spirit filled self

(51:24):
control around eating and what we put in our bodies,
because for the glory of God, God loves to heal people. Right,
we have not because we ask not. There is no
rhyme or reason to how Jesus chooses to bless some
with healing and others and not. But what we know
is that when godly men and women will just kind

(51:45):
of follow Paul's outline about disciplining their bodies and not
just beating the air aimlessly, but having a rhythm and
some thought out structure to how do we eat, how
do we sleep? How do we hydrate? This there's some
value that we can get out of bodily training, bodily
training about in righteousness and all these things. But but

(52:07):
also like, hey, if this is the temple, right, and
I don't ever want this to be a message of
condemnation to anyone that's overweight or underweight, right, we just
want to love people. Well, right, I don't know what
it's like to be overweight. Kind of just always been
in shape. I joked that I was a little fat,
chubby kid from Palm Beach, Florida. I kind of was.
I was a little slow, and then that motivated me

(52:28):
to get faster, and then God made an NFL career
out of it. Right, But my wife used to weigh
almost three hundred pounds, and so she's felt the burden
of being unsaved. Yeah, chrissy, Yeah, your face is it
all right? Right? And so does right? You know what
I mean? And so and before the Lord saved her,
you know, she had built this massive business called weight
loss hero, helping people for all the wrong reasons. God

(52:50):
does his great, miraculous work in her life. And she's like,
I just can't coach women like this. I got to
coach him to get healthy for the glory of God.
And now we just kind of do this stuff together.
But the freedom around discipline, right, it's a good thing.
And God has commanded us to be of sober mind, right,
And that's not just oh, let me be sober minded
in just these areas of righteousness, right, But look at

(53:12):
this practical wisdom God's given us. Right. And then, oh,
it's amazing, how much more rich my quiet time is
in the morning, when I'm hydrated from the day before.
It's amazing, how much more I remember right when I'm
eating more clean It's amazing. How much more energy I
have to love and serve my husband. It's amazing, how
much more stamin I have as a father to get

(53:34):
out and wrestle around with the boys and throw them
around in the pool, and work out and love my
wife and go to work for nine hours a day
with food and proper nutrition and hydration and proper rest.
Prioritizing the right thing based on the sound word of
the Lord gives us so much freedom. And so we
want to help people with teaching them how to eat

(53:55):
and with these supplements that we think are necessary for
everyone to be taking creating and collagen.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
We want to help people burn the right fat. We
have a visceral fat is the fat around your organs
that kills you. There's very few clinical studies on supplementation
that will actually burn visceral fat. We have one of them.
It's called a night and it's awesome. It's great for
your brain. It's like a nice little nootropic punch to
your head in the morning when you want to study
God's word on an empty stomach. It's just there's so

(54:24):
many good benefits to it. And then we want to
help people get hydrated. Any good doctor is going to
probably tell you about ninety percent of chronic disease is
caused by chronic dehydration. God meant our bodies to be
fueled with vitamins and minerals and nutrients and protein that
we just don't get. But if we do, it's amazing
how fast our bodies will heal themselves. When God said

(54:46):
we are fearfully and wonderfully made, he didn't stutter. And
so we pollute this system and our food is either
you know, it's poisoned to us or it's medicine to us.
We want to point people to, hey, this is how
we this is how we kind of heal our body
by God's grace, strengthen ourselves for the war that is,
walking in righteousness and walking in the love of Christ.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
That is the best biblical argument for healthy living that
I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
When it's time. That's why I bought from you, Praise
the Lord. And I tell our men all the time,
it is really really hard to make much of Christ
and make much of the body it is, and so
so we have to we have to so look at
Jesus to know why we're going to discipline this body. Right,

(55:35):
Spurgeon's days were numbered. He lived in a day where
there wasn't a lot of medicine. He got what fifty
six fifty four years, and God miraculously used him. Now,
by God's grace, we live much longer. And I'm not
saying that we're ever going to live longer than what
God is determined. But I am saying that if we
eat well, my days on this earth will be more
energized for the Kingdom of Christ than they would be

(55:56):
if I'm not disciplining myself in that way? Is it selvific?
I don't want anyone to feel condemned that people are
just run into more and more weak sheep that are
just burdened by just these sins. It's like they struggle
with inshirts. And I don't ever want to go down
that route. But I do think that even some of
our brothers and sisters in Christ that do wrestle with assurance,

(56:16):
if by God's grace, they could discipline themselves to eat better,
they will think more clearly about the word of truth,
and that word of truth will be revealed to them
in a new refreshing way where they can think more
clearly and their brain is not so foggy and their
body is not so beat down by constantly what they're
shoving into it.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You talked about it's good for your gut to and
by the way, this is by no means is this
ay infomercial for vice Sarah. I didn't want it to
be that way. I don't want it to appear that way,
and that's not why you came. So I don't want
anyone to think that. So let me say this without
sounding like an infomercial. I've had creatine that has really

(56:57):
messed up my stomach before. Yours doesn't. Your protein doesn't,
and it tastes good. You're like sourcing cattle from all
over the world. Are you really serious about it being
healthy for you?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah. I was taught by Bill Belichick there's always someone
that's better, There's always someone that knows more. There's always
someone that's gonna kick your butt, right, so you need
to prepare to meet that person. Right. So when building
by Sarah, we wanted the best, and by God's grace
through the years in the NFL and just other relationships
he's given me. I know some of the best people
in the organic supplement space in the world. My buddy

(57:34):
who has basically sold two massive companies, you know, one
Nestley now owns. So we won't go into a price
that's sold for, but he has done it as the
king in that space. And so I went directly to
him and said, how do we do this? Or it
tastes good, but we can look people in the eye
and say, hey, our sourcing is better than anyone and

(57:55):
you know our bovine glandulars right. So it's like this
idea that like heels like. So, we have so many
thyroid issues, we have so many digestive track issues, we
have so many heart issues, we have so many issues
that are health related because of food. And yet from
the beginning of time God created these animals to be
under our dominion and for us to eat them, to
be healthy and strong for His glory and to magnify

(58:18):
his name. And so if you look on the side
of all of our bottles, you're going to see these
little glandulars. You're gonna see heart, you're gonna see kidney,
you'll see thyroid. It's amazing when we eat God's food
and we supplement God's food, how the body will just
kind of heal itself. And so we've given people the
purest A two protein. You talk about our creatine not
upsetting your stomach, Well, it's well sourced, right, And there's

(58:39):
not some crap from China. I'm not knocking to anybody
from China. But our system is set up to make
money and give people as little amount as we can
to kind of pass this bar or metric that makes
it legal. Right. We haven't done that, right, And so
our third party testing everything that we have kind of
spent money on is to say, hey, listen, we want
to represent God with integrity. These are supplements that will

(58:59):
help your body heal, but you got to eat good too, right,
And so even when you get on by Sarah nutrition
dot com, you can download the free pdf to just
help you think better about eating. But every all of
our products have either digestive enzymes, something that's gonna prebiotic.
Excuse me, your probiotics that are gonna help people digest food.
Because if I can feed you more protein, and then

(59:22):
I can help heal your gut where it digests all
that protein, where you're actually absorbing it. Not only does
grains or think better, but you sleep better, you perform better,
you feel stronger, there's more energy, everything about you improves.
This is really brain number one. Brain number one, guide's
brain number two. God has fiercefully and wonderly, wonderfully made us.
So brain number two is always gonna be working.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Your head depends on your gut.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, so what we have to make fuels right, and
so listen, I know it. I love donuts. I'm the
donut king, right, but when I eat too many donuts,
this brain is bad. And I can't afford this brain
to be bad. I had too many kids and I
got a big king Jesus to love and serve well.
So I needed to be sharp and accurate and on
point and so all these things have in effect, and

(01:00:07):
we just want to gently teach people that hey, we
can feel good and we can have all of God's
energy and everything that God's intended for us. And this
isn't no health, wealth and prosperity nonsense either, because I
don't know. God might have for you to get hit
by a train tomorrow. But at the end of the day,
if God has gifted us with breath and we have
the ability to eat better food and to move our bodies,

(01:00:30):
we need to be doing so for the glory of God.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I think. I think it's a great humble argument, and
it's practical. If I get up for an early flight
and I went to bed at midnight and I have
to be at the airport at four, and I've learned
it took a long time to finally realize, don't make
any decisions on this day. Don't make any moral decisions,

(01:00:56):
don't make any financial decisions, don't make any judgments on people.
That's because you were You're drunk. Really, I want to
go one more place with you because you mentioned earlier
you're in Isaiah. Is that what you said? Yeah, So
if we put all maybe put everything together on a

(01:01:16):
on a good I know that you're a busy guide,
so that things change and you have to adjust wisely
in when it changes. But on a good, normal day,
what does your reading look like? When is it? How
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
You know? Mark Dever? So I'm gonna throw Mark Dever
under the busk, yeah, yeah a for clarity. Mark Dever
is the godliest, most faithful man I know, and other
than Christ and my wife and children, he has been

(01:01:53):
God's greatest gift to me, and he has so guided
in guarded me and all of my strengths and weaknesses,
mainly weaknesses.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
He introduced us, by the way, that's right, sure you
introduced us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
So since the word saved me. Most mornings, I've been
up at four am. And if you walk into wherever
I'm reading most of the time, it's my wife's office.
All the lights are going to be off except for
one lamp and one like spotlight that we use for
filming content, and it's just fixed on my Bible. I'm
the add king. I really struggle. I struggle to read

(01:02:30):
and comprehend. I dyslo I understand things backwards. I read
at a very high rate, but I understand very little,
and so it takes me a long time, and it's
often frustrating. But God has worked wonders and sanctifying me
through having to sacrifice a lot of hours of sleep
to draw near to Him. And not everyone needs to

(01:02:53):
do that. Most people, for what I would read in
a three hour time, they might be able to get
it in in forty five minutes, right, and they might
retain a lot more. I don't know, but that's been
my habit, that those first two and a half three
hours of every morning are just the Lord's and He
has poured his word into my heart. Sometimes I remember
it better than others, but he faithfully pours it out

(01:03:15):
of me when he gives me an opportunity to boast
in him. And I said, I was gonna throw Mark
under the bus because in the last few weeks have
gone through some just testing and different things. There's certain
things mentally or I don't know if they're starting to
slip or if we're just too busy, but we have
all these concussion testing for the NFL and all this stuff.

(01:03:36):
So I told Mark about it, and he was just
put chrissy on the phone because he knows I won't listen.
So he said Chrissy. This is what he's going to do.
Whatever amount of time Heath reads his Bible, he's going
to do half of it. Right, He's not going to
cut his prayer time down. But whatever time he's reading
his Bible, you're gonna make him cut it in half.
And you're gonna make him sleep. You know that much

(01:03:58):
more well, Mark nos So I've been the last I
think three weeks now, I've been sleeping until five. I
get up and I go in there and I just
I hit my knees. I always start. I need help
positioning my mind in humility, and so I pick up
this book called Valley of Vision. I'm sure you've heard

(01:04:20):
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, it's always in somewhere. It's always in the next
room over for me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
And most days it stirs my heart with affections for
Christ because I see my sin more clearly. And then
that'll lead me into praying for Chrissy. I have a
list that I pray for every day, and then praying
for the children, praying for myself. These last few weeks,
I have not been praying as faithfully for our church,

(01:04:47):
but through our church membership. Because Mark Dever took an
hour away from my holy sanctification. But yeah, those morning
hours have been sweet, you know, since twenty eighteen. And
you just all the godly dead dudes that we love,
they didn't even have half of them, didn't have electricity
to run, lights to read, but they were still up

(01:05:09):
in the wee hours of morning under candle light, reading
and meditating on God's word. God was faithful to them,
and he helped them finish strong, and their lives just
oozed Jesus Christ and I believe it was because of
their prayer time and their Bible study time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I've never talked to you about that, and I never
heard you say that before, but I already was positive
that that would be your answer. And you're right. You know,
George Mueller, for a long time he would he would
get up and pray and read, and he realized his
prayer life was dead until he switched the two that

(01:05:49):
the Bible the Scripture softened his cold dead heart and
every morning and supercharged it so that then his prayer
life came alive. Are you brushing your teeth before you
do this? You got coffee? What's what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I take our nite and our creatine collagen, caffeine so
I'm putting good, good stuff in my system. I've never
been a coffee guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Just before you open the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, So when that alarm goes off, I wear these
stupid retainers to keep my teeth draight, you know what
I mean. So then I got to go there, put
them in this little water, this little fizzy fizzy thing whatever, right,
and then I go straight in. Man, this's is embarrassing.
I don't brush my teeth first, but I ain't gonna
lot to y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
And then I get our our Knight, our creatine collagen,
and our electrolytes, and so I hydrate immediately. The ignite,
which is our kind of visceral fat burner, just really
kind of gives me a nice clean caffeine stem from
my mind. It really helps me focus in. And then
I lock in. Yeah, and then I lock in. Uh,
I lock in for a few hours and worship the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I was in a men's conference one time in Montana
and I did a poll on that question. You're in
the majority. People typically would brush their teeth after their
quiet time for some reason. I'm in the minority of
I wake up brush my teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, And then that's why your teeth are prayer? What's what?
I sleep with this mouth tit and I don't ever
really have morning breath, so like I brush my teeth
too hard. Chrissy's on me all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
We'll get.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
You know, so I know she'll tell you she didn't
have morning breath either. It's like, listen, God's been so kind.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
That is great.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Wow. We don't cuddle much because I'm too heavy to
make her hot. You know. It's it's about about four
minutes each night, hand on her half time. I I
like fall asleep praying for like she tells the funniest
stories because I get I'm so exhausted at the end
of the night. So I'm like I just put my
hand on her chest, you know, and she laughs because
I'll fall asleep like a narcoleptic, and then I'll wake

(01:07:45):
up like literally two minutes later, sometimes like right where
I right where I was left off in the prayers.
She's like, I don't know how you do this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, I as amber and I as our marriage gets older,
she gets imperture wise. Hey, it looks wise too. She
gets hotter and I get I get colder. Like She's
She's like, I turned this act. I get you know,
I gotta get these blankets off, and I'm like kind
of chili dude, like we're going opposite directions. But but yeah, yeah,

(01:08:16):
she needs to cope on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Amber, sleep with awaited blanket like Chrissy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Does I do. Actually, she doesn't because she can't. She
can't take that. She she can't take the heat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Christy Lilac so hot. Oh my, you's got a fifteen
pound blanket on your chest. I'm like, what are you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
That's a different episode. But dude, that that that routine is.
I've said this people, I've thought about this before. When
you seek first the Kingdom of Heaven, it means way
more than that, But it doesn't mean any less than
actually physically starting the day with Him first, the first fruits,

(01:08:55):
the first fruits, Bonhoffer. You to say, don't talk until
you've going through your quiet time, don't listen or talk
to anyone until God speaks. Let God have the first word. Yeah,
these guys took this seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
And when you when you hear about a moral failure,
a big public moral failure, almost always at the root
of it, you find they lost their daily devotional Their
morning devotional time was gone. Yeah, it's gone away.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
And the pastor's burden of studying to feed and studying
to be fed, you know, and how often those blur
and I find those borring for me just to minister
to our men and our women. But it's such a
dangerous temptation, right that somehow I think I don't need
to be fed, that I only need to gather to feed. Yeah,
that's a that's a dangerous road, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, what an honor. But you're here. Thank you for
passing through. I hope to have you back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
And you name it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
You're You're a brother and a mentor. And I promise
I've been doing a lot better on my seven hours
of sleep. Thank you always. Thanks for joining me on
the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate all of you guys. You
could help me out by rating this podcast on iTunes.
If you're on YouTube, subscribe to this channel, hit that
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