March 13, 2025 • 49 mins
This week Leslie speaks to Jeremy 'Viking' aka @therealvikingmindset11 on TikTok.
They talk about what he learned about during his long time in prison, including how to spot a perpetrator, how they watch their potential victims, and the dark truth about predators.
Hosted by Leslie Dobson.
Produced and edited by Liam Billingham.
Mixed by Aaron Dalton.
Executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're here. Welcome to Intentionally Disturbing. I'm Doctor Leslie and
today's episode is with Jeremy Viking. Now he can be
followed on TikTok as Viking, and he is an amazing man.
He spent a long, long, long fucking time in prison.
But actually what we honed in on was what he
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learned how to tell who is a perpetrator who is not,
and how to listen to those red flags that pop
up in you. We talked about the shopping cart and no,
he wouldn't put his fucking shopping cart back. And one
thing he said that was so notable was even if
the perpetrator doesn't do it to you at that moment,
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they're going to take note and they're going to come
back and do it later based on what they have
just learned about your choices, your actions, and your behaviors.
So I hope you enjoy this episode and you get
an inside scoop on a man who lived in prison
for a long time and he can tell you the
truth about a predator. Okay, you're here. Okay, I'm so
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excited you decided to say yes and do this.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, definitely, I love yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean I started watching your tiktoks, and I
was like, he's telling the truth because I've worked I've
worked inside.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, a lot of people at first were like no way,
and then I'm like, oh, let me, let me break
it down a little bit more like I'm and they're like,
oh wow, yeah, it's really horrific.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
One thing I really like too is so I was
always working with like the mentally disordered felons, and so
they're technically a lot of them were patients and I
can't talk about them.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Right, so you don't have the same level of like
having to keep all these fucking secrets, and you can
actually talk about what happens in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, it's especially now with like they don't have in
Florida at least, like as far as people with psychological
issues and that they just put them in regular prisons
and they just give them meds. So their house with
just a regular inmate, it's it's and they're like, it's crazy, literally,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Like, yeah, it's it's well, I mean, and just it's
so dangerous. I mean, that's what I want to talk
to you about, is like the reality, the reality of
prison so you know, we hear everything on the media,
but people don't know what what gassing is. People don't
hear the word chomo. People don't know that the custody
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officers help get people killed. Yeah, and so I just
like I wanted to like kind of pick your brain
about a lot of it, but also get you know,
what was it like for you. I want to get
your experience, especially as an adult in the Florida prisons.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, definitely, that definitely is. Ah, you have to go
insane to remain sane in there. Literally you have to
like accept the whole different world like this is, and
then it becomes just normal. Like the stuff like you said,
like seeing the corruption, the killings, that just everything you're like,
oh this is it's just keep you just keep going.
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And then it's like all right, released by and you're
just like, uh so, yeah, that's it's very uh yeah, whatever,
you know, we go down the rabbit hole of it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So can I ask you questions?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Is that okay? Anything you want to do?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I guess the like first question would be what's kind
of what stands out to you as some of the
worst stuff that that occurred and not necessarily like the
most I mean, granted, we have no filter, so we
can say whatever the fuck we want to, but what
stood out to you and your soul is the worst.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So I would say the way officers do illegal stuff already,
you know, and then what it is, what it is?
You know, you're in prison, and that's what it is.
It's a very crazy environment of people, and they almost
become like reverse Stockholm, like they are trying to fit
in with the prisoners.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's very weird. But then some have the power trip
and they have their own rules.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Of engagement and seeing how they set inmates up where
for instance, there was an inmate and I spoke about
this before, and his name was Ricky Martin, like the singer,
but not the singer.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And he had his issues.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
He was younger, trying to fit in and everything, but
he didn't understand how dangerous it was. So there was
like a fight club where the officers were putting inmates
to fight each other, or say one inmate had an issue,
they'd take you both to confinement, put you in the
same cell and just put you in there for twenty minutes,
and damble, and it was just going on and everywhere,
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and he ended up writing up about it, and they
put him in the cell like and they didn't like it,
so they transferred him with i think six months left,
and they put him in the cell with a notorious
killer rapist, this dude, and let him get beaten and
raped to death, and they called the family and just
played it off like nothing that wasn't their fall was
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an accident. And it was like at that moment and
that like seeing that stuff, it was like in my mind,
especially going in at twenty two twenty three, knowing that
I'll get out right as I turned thirty, It's like
I'm never going to go home.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I became like I just had to.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Learn this whole new world where you know, it's the
officers will put you in positions to where you're going
to end up having to get a life sentence or not,
and you're either like almost either going to be a
victim or you're going to be like a warrior in
some way for yourself, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So wait, let's break this down. So Ricky Martin, not
the singer, get gets put in sell on purpose by
officers in order to be brutally beaten and raped by
somebody who's up for it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, so they never proved that, and it's it's like
when you see things like what happened to that inmate
Brooks in New York. I believe that was beaten by
the fourteen officers, and like people like, what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're just going to.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Probably fire them and maybe one guy will get a manslaughter,
But they don't. They control the world, like that's their world.
They have their own kangaroo court. And so when he
did that, it was like real wild in the Panhandle
of Florida, like northern Florida, and you had a place
called Aci Homes, Correctional Jack all these different It was
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like a triangle and they would ship you here, ship
you there, and just keep you in rotation and hide
you from your family and all that. And he was
always like he wasn't how do I say? He was
very confused, like he didn't know where he fit in.
He didn't like he came from like the streets, trying
to be like a gangster and then realized that, oh no,
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I'm not like that. But he had already befriended the
wrong people, and when he wanted to get away from it,
they're like, oh, it doesn't work like that. Here you
have to pay or you have to you know. So
he was getting extorted and abused and the fight they
were having a fight club that was going on. It
was really just like they call it like gladiator fights,
and they put you in the cell wherever wherever it
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was going to happen, and it could be a tromo,
a tamulus, and like they would then right after they
would gas you like pepper spray you, beat you and
put you in the showers, or sometimes they'd give you
a food, cell phone, whatever you would want. And he
was trying to get away from where he was at
because he was getting like really abused by the officers
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physically mentally, and so he wrote to the higher up saying, hey,
they're doing some fight club here and I went out,
not knowing that the officer that's getting it is helping.
You know, he's the boss of the so is it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It would be like the special Investigative Unit.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So yeah, well, before any mail can leave anywhere, it
has to go through a captain or the like, some somebody.
If he tries to write it to where it's some
higher up, so he's writing a grievance, so it'd have
to go to an office. But that officer is just
probably best friends with that sergeant who's doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He's probably gambling on it too, and.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He probably went down and said, hey, you need to
get things under control before this gets an outside incident.
And you know, they didn't ever get convicted. However, they
grabbed him up, cuffed him up for writing that, and
they put him in the cell with the guy that's
twice his size and is doing a life sentence for
murder and a lot of violent crimes and is known
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to sexually assault, stab and he's he's that's what he does.
He's in a cell by himself and the kid Ricky
not a kid, but he was twenty two young man,
and he's screaming no, no, no, And then he got
in the cell and he was trying to cut himself
with like razors and all this stuff to try to
do anything to get out. And the guy screams in
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the tier like the like the we're all locked in
to cell twenty four to seven in FLOORA, no air conditioning.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's hard time and confinement, isolation, and he's like, y'all
want to see me? You know, whatever killed it?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Like whatever, He screamed about hurting this kid I don't
really remember, and people were cheering him on. Other people weren't.
But it went on for fifteen minutes and he was
just compident.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You guys could hear it all. You could hear it all,
and people are cheering it on.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
People are screaming, other people like are just being quiet,
other people are everyone's having their own reaction. And it's
one of those things where for me being twenty three
twenty four and in isolation, where like I said, you're
lucky if you shower twice a week, no air conditioning,
they barely give you toilet paper.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, it's one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
They put that heater on, it's hard, and they're doing
all this gladiator stuff. So in my mind, I'm like,
I just don't want to get caught looking and I
don't want to be seen looking into any of this
because that's how it conditions you. So this kid's brutally
getting tortured and they're finally fifteen to maybe nineteen twenty
five minutes later they come. It's always like an awkward
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time so they can I don't know why they do that,
maybe to look better, like we were just on our way, yeah,
and they come in there. Yeah, and like they walked away.
And the thing about isolation in Florida especially is they're
supposed to check every fifteen minutes, every thirty to fifteen
to thirty minutes on the inmates because everybody's in there
because their management problems for the prison, and they just
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let it happen. People were beating on the door screaming
and he would stomp his head in. I mean, it's
all over the news, like people can search on Googan.
And then they found out that he was getting tortured sexually, physically, mentally,
and they got him out and the family didn't find
out for like three days, and it was like it
was like that's when things were so real, but it
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was almost like a twenty three. It didn't even surprise
me that that happened until I got out and was
able to process how like, what the fuck did I
go through? To me, it was like, okay, now I know,
you know, it was just like it was just a
lesson of what not to do in my mind or
almost like they make it seem like he deserved it.
That's the mentality that they instill. Yeah, it's that was
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a bad thing, real horrible in the family.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
They picked up the buy. It was just really and
he almost went home in six months. And he wasn't
a bad kid, wasn't He was just a.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Troubled kid at twenty three, twenty four years old in
there for stolen property doing a year less than a
year or three less than three years, but had like
a year left to do, maybe six months. And they
put him in a cell with the guy twice his size,
a lifer that's a convicted murderer, rapist, Like, come on
that and they say, oh, we didn't know.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
We try our best, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's like, yeah, it's it's insane. I mean, I think
people don't understand too that you you don't go to
prison because you're a horrible person all the time, and
you don't go because you did massive crimes all the time,
but you end up in the in this mixed bag
of crimes and psychopathy. What what's your wrap sheet? If
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you care to explain?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I have nothing to hide, so with me, like,
I wasn't really like I don't get me wrong, it's
bad no matter what you do, but I wasn't like
this hardcore criminal I was doing like I say, to
maybe compartmentalize the dirt bag and dirtbag crime.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I was just with my friends.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
We rob drug dealers and sell and make money for
their ship or their stuff to do that, and then
party and bar fights like stuff like that. It was
like very serious, but it was just like we were
just living in the moment. And obviously it has a
lot to do with situations I grew up in and that,
but as far as it was like just robbery on
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like a drug dealer, battery, everything was like that. And
but at the end of the day, you're committing crimes,
You're you're running into people's houses, you're fighting, doesn't matter
who they are, what they're you can't do that. So
when I was six, like in my teenage years, I
spent about three years in the juvenile prison system. Got
out trying to do right, well, not trying, but I
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believed I would. And then at twenty two, I robbed
the drug dealer's house and ultimately got caught and went
away twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, got right out
as I turned twenty nine. So yeah, I did a
lot of growing up in there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And yeah, you know, it's what's it like, what's it
like for you emotionally to reflect back on your time inside?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So in the beginning, I didn't understand how what I
went through and what I believed to be right per se,
like was just so twisted. And looking back in the way,
you know, telling a lot of stories of people I've
met and situations I've been in and seeing you know,
what I cover on my page, it's like, not that
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I'm cold to it, it's just it makes you become
either the best version of yourself or literally the worst
version of yourself. And luckily for me, I want it
to change and become better. But I use it more
as like I would say, it's like the horrific, just
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as a tool to say, okay, well this situation we're
in now, you know, remember that time when this happened
or that happened. And of course some things you can't
unsee or unhear. And it's a lot of violence, of corruption,
and it's hard to truly trust people, and you always
have your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And like you said, people can go in.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
There with a little bit of time and go to
some easier prison, go home, have no problem. But then
they'll send somebody with two or three years and he
goes to the worst prison in the state and ends
up never going home or getting twenty thirty years or
whatever happens. So that mentality has always been like that,
can never shake, always just being aware always it's good
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and bad. Like for my son, whoever's teachers are, I'm
doing a full background check on everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The entrant is life, who's here, who's there? Everyone here?
Like everything. But then at the same time, and especially
working in the beginning, I would compare people like, oh,
he would never survive. He would and it was such
a crazy callous way to look at life. So and
then once it I guess, how do you say? Life?
Is life? Right?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Like you lose family members and things catch up to you,
and it's like it all just like kind of builds up.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And for me it was.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Like I was so tired having this hate and this
like this unfounded anger, and I was living right and
working and still am obviously, and it was just like
I just had to let it go and I found
better ways. But for some people, they're broken. They get
out and they can't handle it. The isolation breaks them.
They have no social skills, They're always paranoid, and it
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all stems from usually childhood trauma, and then they go
to prison and get a lot more trauma, and then
they get out and it's like, go work your job, now,
go go now.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, and they're like, and yeah, they work criminals.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But a lot of people's situations stem from when they
are children and the environment, not everybody, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So it's a never ending battle.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
It's just I just know that I can never give
into any emotions except being the best father for my son,
period because I don't want him.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Can you tell me kind of about the moment it
clicked Trio?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, it was probably about three to four years into
my sentence, and I did a lot of time in
confinement because it wasn't like I was trying to be
some bad person in prison. Just when you're young, you
feel you have to like go above and beyond. And
especially when you're in North Florida it's more country, and
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I'm from South Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
They look at you like, oh, look at Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So so much things were like presented to me, violence
and just so and I think it was about three
and a half four years of just the stabbings and
the fights and the riots, the corruption, and at the
same time, I became somebody I never became before, a healthy,
strong I was reading, working out, real, in touch with
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who I was, humble, yet I couldn't show that on
the surface, and I was like, now I really want
to show this person who I really am, to a
relationship to a kid.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I want people to know me who I am.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But at the same time, it was like, I have
to balance this world of just complete chaos. So about
three and a half four years and I was in confinement,
I was like, I have to start manifesting something.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I have to get a plan going, But you can't
share that with somebody because it's a weakness to somebody
in there or an officer like, oh look he thinks
he's better who It's just it's so I just kept
building internally, internally, internally.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then once I made it home, I started to go
after exactly what I had planned and manifested and just
shook all that out of my head.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But you know, some things just can't leave that easy.
You know, we'll.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Be right back after this break. Do you think that
you have a mental health disorder?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like, is there a trauma? Is there? How do you
Where does all this shit go that you experienced.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So I know that, of course there's always going to
be some type of like traumatic you know, post traumatic
stress anything when you see and go through these violent situations.
Just all this constant every day, whether it's mental, physical, anything.
It's just I was, I guess the same trauma that
was there to break me and all the chaos at
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the same time.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It made me have to go into the fray and
there is.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
No you don't have the luxury in there to say,
you know, I'm feeling down today, I'm just gonna work
on myself and do itself. It's like it's immediate chaos,
immediate violence, and it's drama. The officers of this happened
this part. So I think having that same horrific chaotic
environment also made me be able to not compartmentalize, but
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be able to say, all right, yeah, I feel the pain.
I have empathy, I know what I feel. But at
the same time, I don't have the luxury. I'm so
far behind, Like I use that same mindset to stay
as a fight. I can't leave my son in any
situation that I was, I can't leave in vulnerable I
have to protect him. I don't have this luxury. So
I use that same thing. And then I got into
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a lot of like martial arts and kickboxing and a
lot of healthy activities. But at the same time, don't
ever think it ever goes away. Tho's always in your head.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
The silences could be very loud sometimes and you start
thinking about so many people that are in there and
or that got killed like that guy, rip you Martin,
and just so much rrific thing are people that get
out and they were never drug addicts before, but they
get out straight to the needle and they die and
fending all whatever it is because they can't cope with anything.
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And like you said, there's no one to talk to,
there's no one to be like, hey, this is because
we're going to be like you shouldn't have been the prison,
shouldn't you know? And it's just so it's like a
I had to use that same mentality that was like
there to break me to make me become the perseverance person.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You know. I guess it's the best way I could
put it, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean as a clinician, as a psychologist, I
thought the teams in the jails and prisons were shit
like it was like the bottom of the barrel of
this field. And I was horrified. And that's part of
the reason why I left, because I didn't want to
level down.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's it's it's almost like if you're not part of
the problem, it's like the reverse thing. If you're not
part of the problem, you're not part of the solution
over like they want you to be problematic there. Like
if and I've seen this happen where somebody would put
their mistrust, say somebody was really having a mental breakdown
in there, whatever they're going through, and they would talk
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about it with somebody that was, you know, there for
mental health treatment, and they would go tell an officer,
and an officer would go tell everybody, hey, he's over
here telling about you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You and like put the guy in the scope.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
So that's another thing, like you said, where the bottom
of the barrel where?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Or they're having full on relationships.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Or they just don't care, like I don't got time
for this, or they're bringing so you learn like, Okay,
I cannot trust anybody, Like there's no law and order,
there's no doctor I can trust or go to. It's
that you just have to learn to everything to be
your best at it. I guess it's either like I said,
like people become their worst they break and they just
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get lost in that pray, or you just learn that
nobody's coming to save you.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
No doctor is, no one, and it kind of pushes
you one way or the other. It's like two extremes.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, it's wild. I mean, like you and not. Okay,
we're both parents. I don't consider myself paranoid or overly
vigil but I am watching more than anyone else. Like,
I don't know how to explain to people, like our
level of awareness and alertness is not negative. It's not
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a side effect of mental health or trauma. It's because
we've seen real shit in the capacity of the human
mind and what it can do.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
True.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, I mean you said it the best and like
a lot of people say, oh, you're overreacting, I said, oh, no,
Like that's what they always say before it happens. Oh,
because we've seen where the system will literally leave a
kid in jeopardy until he's truly she or he's truly
hurt or dead or or something horrific happens. But it
could have stopped two three, years ago with you know,
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the twenty different calls of social services, and it's very
like and that's the same thing with me. I saw
it from the inside of like, oh, like and this
guy was a coach, this guy was a teacher, you know,
this person was this this a cop, and it's so
it's it's it's just very hard to balance that, especially
in today's society, where people feel, oh, you're you can't
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do that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You can't. No, I can one hundred percent. And that's it.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's my son and I know like, and it's usually
the people telling you you're crazy are the ones that
are truly deceptive.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And that's what I've learned. And you know, they'll say you're.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Crazy, you know, you're paranoid the prisons, No, I know,
I'm the crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, can you give me some maybe some facts related
to that. So, how many people did you come across
in prison who, like their victims, never saw it coming,
you know, you you talked to prison staff, you talk
to other prisoners, and they would say, oh, you know,
I thought it was fine with the guy. I didn't
see it coming. He seemed fine. And that's that's what
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everyone fucking says.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, it's that explosive violence where it's and like there's
like a like the inmates will say, like to an officer,
that is like real corrupt. I mean like you have
to get lucky every day. We only have to get
lucky once. And it's basically like it's always that person
that's going to get in your good graces, like it's
your enemy. Is never an enemy, it's your best friend.
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It's the teacher, it's the coach, and it's that's how
it goes. They're going to be the knife in the back.
And it's that's ninety percent of all incidents that happened,
I never saw it coming. Or an officer gets killed
and they make it but he was alone or too friendly,
and it's like, well we didn't see it, or even
an inmate, like I thought that officer was nice to
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me and never and you did see it coming. You
just didn't want to accept the reality. But a snake
is a snake. They're just going to shed their skin
and become bigger and bigger. And it's that's true. That's
very like as far as prison goes. That showed me
that there it's not so much don't trust, don't it's
it's always just learn everything possible about everyone that comes
in contact with your personal personal life, because there's truly
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masters of manipulation. Some people just go to prison to
work and they're just like maniacs. They love the torture
and to put people through that, and same with inmates.
So'll pretend like the most evil ones will be the
ones in there that they're sick, rapist, childless or tomo
Tomo's all that, And they're the ones that go in
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there and they have the glasses on and they're acting
like they're the grandfather.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And he's bullying. Stop I'm an old man. But it's like,
look at his record. This man has hurt ten different
children since the last and you're like, oh, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And but all those other people they always thought, oh
he's just a nice guy, and you see him turn
it on and off, especially in prison when they're in danger,
they're like, oh, I'm disabled.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know. It's it's just all a conspiracy and it's
it's twisted.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It is, like you said, can't so for people listening,
how how can we explain to them, like how to
listen to red flags, like especially around child molestation because
for like for me, the chaumas. The pedophiles were always
the ones in prison that I wanted to be around
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more because I felt safer because they weren't going to
hurt me, right, And they were also the sweetest. They
knew how to put on the charm, they knew how
to like they their egos didn't get in front of
their mission.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, they're right, they're like their whole thing is their
little snakes, like whatever it is to survive, because they
go after the vulnerable obviously, and it's that's their mo
And And the way that I think people have misunderstanding
is when something happens and they even if it's a
feeling or whatever intuition, and you just you know, as
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a parent or anybody you know, when something's not right,
whether your kid, people won't act immediately because they're scared
of how they look or their friends or it might
fuck that you have to the second you let one
of these evil fuckers.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Get any type of leverage, that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
They're gonna say, why didn't you ret it's better to
be wrong a thousand times, you know, and then missed
it that one time.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
That's I mean, that's why I did that fucking shopping
cart video. I don't know if you saw that video,
but I just basically said, don't return your shopping cart
if you have put your groceries in the car and
your kids are in the car and there's a point
of vulnerability. Yeah, and even today I got another death
threat saying return your cart, I'll kill you. And it's
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just like, guys, we have to not look at judgment.
We have to trust our intuition.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I mean, that's that's the truth. Like that you cannot.
They're already looking for the vulnerable. And even then to like,
even if they don't act in that situation, they'll take
a note these predators and say, oh, look at them,
they leave their kid alone in a car like that,
all right, and they'll just keep that in their mind
and they might not act on that impulse then, but
they that's and that's the game they play.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah. I think that's fucking brilliant what you just said. Like,
even if they're not going to do it now, they're
going to take note. And we're so naive to think
that if we didn't get snatched or they didn't get
snatched at that moment, we're fine. Yeah, that there's so
much planning and preparation behind predators.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
A predator is a coward, that's what they are.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They go after the week, the vulnerable, and they're opportunists,
you know, that's what they do. There's snakes, you know,
they don't go after someone like me. There's just walking
by myself and grab me and say hey, come here.
You know, they're going to go after the situation that
they know they can control and dominate or sneak in
and prevail. So even if you see somebody and you're like, okay,
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obviously I'm not going to leave my son alone or
my daughter alone for a second, at the same time,
this guy is looking way too hard because you know,
when something's not right, pick up the phone and call out,
or if you see some guy, hey can just anything
to bring attention to the situation. And you could be wrong,
but you cannot afford to ever ever be right, and
that you know what I mean. If they're right and
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you're wrong, then that's that's it. There's no more coming
back from that. And the rest of your life that
kid is hopefully you know, can live, but it's going
to be destroyed mentally. You're going to be destroyed mentally,
and it's all because you wanted to live up to
a social standard that doesn't protect your child.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And in prison too, like I'm obviously I have.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
A hatred for predators and and did my share of
making sure that you received their justice. But one in
four inmates and I talked to a lady that worked
in there have been around some type of either they
were sexually abused as a child or a family member,
or they saw something. And that's where a lot of
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the hate comes from. Obviously, you know, anybody sees it
and they're like, oh my god, what like like they
feel that anger immediately, and then it's amplified as like,
wait a minute, I remember when I.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Was that kid.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And so that's a huge statistic, Like one in four
have seen it, been around, it failed by the system,
and they think in their head, why would my mom
have left me in a car alone? They know a
lot of them probably feel like that, and that's how
they got to look like, how do you think your
child would feel if you want to go return a
car so you can be socially norm and say you
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did it, and then some guys in the car or whoever,
some predators in the car. Now your kid is and
that's all they got to feel, feel how your kid
would feel, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, And that's the best advice I can probably give
on that.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'm sorry it's time for commercial. I mean that leads
me to a good question, what as next con What
are the soft points that you look for that you
did look for in targets?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Well, for me, like, I'm not minimizing this.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
You know, I was robbing drug dealers and draw a
bunch of dirt bags being dirtbags, which are so it
was kind of like somebody would say, hey, like this
person here or a girl would set up this guy,
but we were like doing it more for the rush
in a way. However, in prison, I remember a specific situation.
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I talked to a friend of mine I grew up with,
and his kid used to go to a park and
this park was like a well known park where I
grew up, and this guy was putting kitty cameras or
cameras in the kitty bathroom and he was selling.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
It whatever he was doing. And if you looked at
this person, you wouldn't even think anything of it. You
just think this is just some regular guy working out whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I remember getting an officer to tell me what happened,
and it all got to me that that guy is
the one that was putting I think it was like.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Ninety kids that were in this huge case and he
was just.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Putting the camera in there, putting the camera in there,
and nobody really cared. And it turned out this guy
was already a convicted sex offender, should have never been
at the park. And everyone's looking back in hindsight like, yeah,
he was kind of creepy in this, and but like
nobody said anything because they didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
And you have to look at that situation. And I
go up to him.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I already know everything he's he's one hundred percent about
like I already know everything I've been briefed and especially
what the situation is, and I want to see how
he responds.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I go, hey, what are you in here for?
Are you? Are you a predator sex offender? What's your deal? Man?
And because he's you know, and he's like, well, what's
your definite?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And immediately you see this snake of a human come
out and it's like the victim. His body language, his
posture turns into like a like almost like he doesn't
want it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I'm not anything what's your definition of a predator? I
mean me, I'm here really for burglary, but you know,
and he's trying, and it's like, oh no, and I
just it's they can immediately just that long game. And
so many people will say, you know what, you're right,
you know, we'll just leave him alone. But for me,
I had no mercy on any pressures. It's horrible as
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that sounds.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I I just it just there's no It's like when
you watch it on TV and you see it and
you're like, how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
How did this guy?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You know a lot of times parents will one of
the most common things was a boyfriend or a girlfriend
will become the babysitter that they've known maybe three months,
and then you see it happen and the guy goes
to prison, and that just.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Like and the grooming and how sophisticated the grooming is
that people get sucked into. Yeah, and you'll.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
See it in prison, Like it's almost like this is
how you're like briefed in prison. You get there on
twenty two, twenty three, I might see somebody that I
know from I grew up with you. It's like sixty
degrees of separation. I know somebody and I say, hey,
what's up, man, how are you?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's going on? Viking?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Hey, listen, you know this guy, here is this this
this watch out for this guy.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He's a he's a rapist.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
This is gang to extore people. All right, here's a knife,
here's a weapon. All right, man, see later. And you're
like all right, you know, so you're ready to go,
and you watch and you'll go and you'll see somebody
and so like you'll say, hey, man, look stop talking
to that dude. He's gonna try to write people. He's
setting you up, he's grooming you, he's gonna get you.
And he's like, man, and it's either they listen or don't.
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But it's like we don't have time to like really
go into it because we're trying to survive ourselves. And
you'll see, first the guy start off with like, hey man,
trying to get some canteen for my family, but I
can't read or write, just something so simple. So the
guy helps him, and then it starts off like that,
and then before you know it, you look and the
guy's fully just turned out and.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, question if you could commit a crime and get
away with it, or legalize something that's currently illegal. What
would it be?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
So you're saying, if I could just do a crime
and then it would become legal, or what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I mean if you.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Could it's like something that's illegal, now would you make
it legal? And it's something you'd want to do.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Well, I don't have any impulses to do anything to
hurt anybody, but I guess the best thing I could
say is that they need to if I guess legalized
killing child molestors or or doing something where like there's
like there's so many that live around these kids, and
there shouldn't be where they're going to get rehabilitated and
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come home in the community, and they like it should
be you're that's it.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, You're you're done.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like it's it's give the parent of like if you
can prove it one hundred percent God for you know,
and it's like okay, well you have to die. You
forfeit your life now, like it should be just as
serious as murder, if not like just an automatic you
forfeit everything. You should be castrated and everything like that.
So not so much like a crime of maybe crime
of past I don't know. How to say it, but yeah,
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just to exterminate these child molesters that they're the worked
they and they don't stop until they're stopped.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I mean, I agree. I've been around ones that have
been castrated and still offend. You know, it's and it's
not about sex all the time or stimulation.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
It's about power, Yeah, the power.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And they look different. Everything about them is different.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Their eyes and their smell is just everything is just yeah,
and it's it's it's twisted.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay. Another question, death penalty, What do you think about
the types of ways that we do it? So we've
got firing, squad, injection, electrocution, what do you think about
like being in prison and that people are awaiting death
in these ways?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
It's very intense.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I knew somebody that was fighting a death penalty case
and got ultimately sentenced to death while I was in
jail waiting to go to prison, and it's like he
did some horrific shit, Like there's no I mean, he
didn't hurt any kids, right, but it doesn't matter. He
killed a copper in the whole situation and anyway, so
it's one of those things where I understand it.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
However, unless I was the victim God forbid, or knew
a victim, or my family member was the It's one
of those things that it's almost impossible to know until
you know, because it's easy to say you're against something,
but then God forbid something happens to your kid or
something like that, then you're like, oh, I'm going to
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go kill this person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
So it's like.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
And then to me, that's the hardest, Like people are like, oh,
they just sit on death row and it is literally
the worst punishment of all sitting there for twenty years,
fifteen years, knowing that nothing you do matters, and they're
going to put you on a table and put a needle.
And I understand that if one person was innocent, then
the whole but it's such a but that's like saying
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how many do we stop arresting?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Like how far does it go?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
And I guess it's one of those things where your
own personal belief and your situation.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Depends on how people feel about that.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's just all you got to do is and this
is what the argument I have with not argument, but
debate I have with people a lot, is well, ask
yourself this, if he did that to a family member
of your a kid of yours, and you could kill him,
what would you do?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I kill I do it? How would you do it?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I torture, all right, But at the same time you're like,
it doesn't make it right though. So it's just it's
one of those situations that I guess you have to
hopefully never know and seeing some people and then then
you feel for people that were innocent and spent thirty
forty years and flawed system. But I mean, it's the
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system we have, So I mean, I don't know. It's
that's a hard one to really put in perspective because
I've seen it from both sides of like, yeah, I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
A mind fuck for me, but I can't even imagine
for you because you have seen it from both sides.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah. I remember.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
The guy got sentenced to death and I was in
like a high custody unit in the jail, and like
they got death row inmates, and it's everyone's kind of
isolated waiting.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I'm waiting to go to prison.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
He's waiting he gets a death sentence, and I remember
they bring him the phone and it was like hearing
a child. It's like this guy was his big gangster
and he loved all the attention. But when it was real,
and it was that minute, that moment where he knows
he's going to go to Florida State Prison and he
put the death most likely, mom, I love you, I
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love like It was like a child speaking again. And
at the same time, you feel bad. But then I'm thinking, well,
how would the victims feel what they feel good? Yeah,
it's like you said, it's a mind seeing it from
both sides, it's like it's just horrible on every angle.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I want to tell you a story and just get
your feedback. And then in the lens. So I did
a lot of fertility treatment when I was working in
a Tascadero hospital, so inside maximum security present and everyone's nuts.
And the day I found out I was pregnant, no
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one knew, no one would have known. But one of
the really really high ranking gangsters in there said, you
need to meet me in the visiting center, which is
weird because it's kind of free roaming. We can talk,
we don't have to wait to go to the visiting center.
So I go there and he says, they know you're pregnant.
(40:28):
They're taking beds on who's going to kick your belly
and kill the baby. And this is the last time
you step foot in here.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Wow, and that is crazy. I mean, that's terrific. I'm
sorry I had to go through that, but it's the
realities of the demons. It's a monster, it's a it's
a horror house, and like how's the horse.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it's a whorehouse in certain selves, you.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Got mnage but anyway, but what it'll be is you
have no They don't have any regard for their employees,
especially if somebody is doing their job correctly. They're gonna
look at you like you're a bad person for what
would you think? This is not how it goes here.
You're gonna fall in line and they have their oh
or like with a lot of women too, their working corrections.
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They're almost expected to be in relationships with men and
officers also. And if they don't there she thinks she's
too good. I think she likes inmates. So they like
put you out there, they put your business out there.
And a lot of times what that was about is
probably an officer saying man suck her, like I'll give
some of you this, this and this if you do
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this to her almost like somebody was mad about something,
and for anybody to leak that to an inmate or
any put you in any that's insane. And then that
sounds like an officer or somebody was like, hey this
you know that lady that she made up some rumor line.
You guys handle that for me and I'll make sure
this the most basic privilege, you know, and that's the
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scare everything.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I'm glad you got out of there, and yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Know, yeah, that's but your take on that's interesting, Like,
actually I never thought about their staff being involved.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It's usually if you like, it'll be usually like an
inmate like that who's like the higher rank and shot
like he doesn't want to see women and children get
work like that. That's that's a weakness, especially organizations in
prison that have been like around for twenty thirty, like
they don't want that. Lemits not saying they're all these righteous,
but that's one thing people don't do.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's like you don't tick a pregnant woman. Yeah, if
you do that.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
So he probably because if he was like a shot
caller or which he was, like you said, he would
have been able to put an end to that unless
it was coming from authority usually, like because nobody would
really step to an inmate and be like, hey man,
we're going to kick this pregnantly because they would literally
be like have their face cut open and get. You
got to get because that's just as bad as being
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a child molesser or rapist.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Anything like that.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Sounds like it might have been from the internal, and
that's usually where most of the violence stems from. That's
where ninety percent of all altercations I had. They weren't
started by them, but they were the fuse was lit
by them, and I had to react accordingly.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So yeah, it doesn't shock me at all.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Wow. I never thought about it from that perspective. And
my husband was a psychologist there too, but no one knew,
so I thought.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, it's they're dirty, like fuck. I like, people would
never believe it, and I didn't. Like I always heard
things before I went in, and going from the juvenile
prison it's different.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
They're more of like military boot camp kind.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Then you go there and you hear this stuff and
they always say, don't it's not the inmates you gotta
worry about, it's these officers, And then you start seeing
them killing inmates or bringing everything. So when you see that,
oh there's nothing and you can't write a letter and
say hey, I'm gonna call your superior and they're like, oh,
can me the letter? Please let me speak, Yeah, you know,
let me see what you got there for me. Even
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the sick call, they'll bring you there like they did
to that guy. Like a lot of times they'll put
a fake sick call in and if they don't like
you or they like if anything, and like that inmate.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
If somebody would have found out, they bring them to
medical where.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
There's no cameras and they beat them to death and say,
oh it's natural causes.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's just it's insane, It truly is.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
So yeah, I think that sounds like some internal situation,
regardless of it was inmate and officer or just who knows,
but I'm guarantee an officer somebody leaked your information and
the fact that that wasn't immediate, like that's just insane.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's just very yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
But fucking wow. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, that's that's intense. Yeah, it's very intense.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Okay, So where do you go from here? What what's
life look like?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
So I've got a very simple structure, very disciplined. I
don't get me wrong, shit gets pray. But having my
son obviously that's my priority.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I work work out train. I used to when I
first got out of prison. I was heavy into kickboxing
and MMA. I would just everywhere. I'd go all over
New York, South Carolina, Georgia, just fight and everything. It
was more I wanted to give myself like that validation
I guess and be like, I'm not this, you know,
and then it ended up opening doors. But I still
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stay in that world where it's wake up, take care
of my son, work work out train, take care of
my pick my son, eat, read a book, documentary, repeat,
and I keep it like that, and you know, obviously
it doesn't It's not perfect all the time. I just
know that I can't ever reach out to anybody or
just do anything. It's just my life is now to
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be the best fun everything I went through to me
now so my son hopefully will never have to experience
one tenth of anything I've ever experienced.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And that's really what I do is just try.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
To be a better man every day. I don't have
like New Year k new me. It's just every day
I have to evolve every day.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
If there's something that you can gain from from us
talking today and your story being shared and fucking epic
advice I think is life changing for people listening. But
what what could you gain from this? What can the
world give you that would add to you?
Speaker 3 (46:25):
So one of the best parts of everything that I
talk about and do is that it's like, you know,
like to live is to stuff or to find meaning
is you know, the whole.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
It's like the fact that I've read a couple of
books but.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
So cheesy, so cheesy, I love it so but all
kidding aside, it's being able to know, like I endured
some serious, serious stuff, you know, like stuff that I
will I talk about a lot of stuff, but some
stuff I'll never be able to talk about in life.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And knowing that I was able to door that.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
And become better through that, It's okay, that's good for me,
but not only I'm able to bring this to the
world and say, look like this is what you need
to do to protect your kids.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
This is and.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Almost it's eye opening and like wait a minute, and
hopefully I could just help one parent. I know, it's
like the corny thing to say, just one person to
be able to protect their kid better, or someone that's
going through and feels like nothing's working and they're ready
just to give it all up.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
The system.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
It just to keep fighting and fighting. I promise you
it'll work. You just they want you to quit. They
want you to stop. They want you to believe that
you're doing the wrong thing. But your kid can You
cannot give up on your kid. You can never be wrong.
You can never be wrong for doing something you feel
is right for your kid. And that's going through the
hell I went through. I was able to give people
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this advice and this eye opening experiences and say, oh no,
they don't give a shit, Oh none of that matters.
Only you as mom. You as that fuck a shopping cart,
and you need to that go you know, and trust
your instinct and stopped playing because when it happens, you're
going to say, uh, you know, there's no excuse, it's
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I guess that's the best thing.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
The hell I went through gives me a chance to
speak to the world so they don't have to endure
or see these evil, evil people that exist in all
aspects of our society every day.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, yeah, and fuck the shopping cart.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Fuck that shopping card. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
There you go, I got one fan. Thank you for
tuning into another episode of intentionally disturbing. I hope you
enjoyed meeting the Viking and that you enjoyed his perspective.
Maybe it was a different perspective than you anticipated. Maybe
you learned something, Maybe you learned something that you didn't
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want to know. But I really hope that you know,
maybe you took in something that the world has kept
do from seeing. And the rose colored glasses might be
a little more clear now, because there's a whole part
of the world that I hope you never have to experience,
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and he has, and he can give us a glimpse
into something that really really sucks at times, and he
had the ability to show us his resilience and how
he made it through. I'll see you next time.
You're here. Welcome to Intentionally Disturbing. I'm Doctor Leslie and
today's episode is with Jeremy Viking. Now he can be
followed on TikTok as Viking, and he is an amazing man.
He spent a long, long, long fucking time in prison.
But actually what we honed in on was what he
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learned how to tell who is a perpetrator who is not,
and how to listen to those red flags that pop
up in you. We talked about the shopping cart and no,
he wouldn't put his fucking shopping cart back. And one
thing he said that was so notable was even if
the perpetrator doesn't do it to you at that moment,
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they're going to take note and they're going to come
back and do it later based on what they have
just learned about your choices, your actions, and your behaviors.
So I hope you enjoy this episode and you get
an inside scoop on a man who lived in prison
for a long time and he can tell you the
truth about a predator. Okay, you're here. Okay, I'm so
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excited you decided to say yes and do this.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, definitely, I love yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean I started watching your tiktoks, and I
was like, he's telling the truth because I've worked I've
worked inside.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, a lot of people at first were like no way,
and then I'm like, oh, let me, let me break
it down a little bit more like I'm and they're like,
oh wow, yeah, it's really horrific.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
One thing I really like too is so I was
always working with like the mentally disordered felons, and so
they're technically a lot of them were patients and I
can't talk about them.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Right, so you don't have the same level of like
having to keep all these fucking secrets, and you can
actually talk about what happens in prison.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, it's especially now with like they don't have in
Florida at least, like as far as people with psychological
issues and that they just put them in regular prisons
and they just give them meds. So their house with
just a regular inmate, it's it's and they're like, it's crazy, literally,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Like, yeah, it's it's well, I mean, and just it's
so dangerous. I mean, that's what I want to talk
to you about, is like the reality, the reality of
prison so you know, we hear everything on the media,
but people don't know what what gassing is. People don't
hear the word chomo. People don't know that the custody
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officers help get people killed. Yeah, and so I just
like I wanted to like kind of pick your brain
about a lot of it, but also get you know,
what was it like for you. I want to get
your experience, especially as an adult in the Florida prisons.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, definitely, that definitely is. Ah, you have to go
insane to remain sane in there. Literally you have to
like accept the whole different world like this is, and
then it becomes just normal. Like the stuff like you said,
like seeing the corruption, the killings, that just everything you're like,
oh this is it's just keep you just keep going.
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And then it's like all right, released by and you're
just like, uh so, yeah, that's it's very uh yeah, whatever,
you know, we go down the rabbit hole of it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So can I ask you questions?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Is that okay? Anything you want to do?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I guess the like first question would be what's kind
of what stands out to you as some of the
worst stuff that that occurred and not necessarily like the
most I mean, granted, we have no filter, so we
can say whatever the fuck we want to, but what
stood out to you and your soul is the worst.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So I would say the way officers do illegal stuff already,
you know, and then what it is, what it is?
You know, you're in prison, and that's what it is.
It's a very crazy environment of people, and they almost
become like reverse Stockholm, like they are trying to fit
in with the prisoners.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's very weird. But then some have the power trip
and they have their own rules.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Of engagement and seeing how they set inmates up where
for instance, there was an inmate and I spoke about
this before, and his name was Ricky Martin, like the singer,
but not the singer.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And he had his issues.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
He was younger, trying to fit in and everything, but
he didn't understand how dangerous it was. So there was
like a fight club where the officers were putting inmates
to fight each other, or say one inmate had an issue,
they'd take you both to confinement, put you in the
same cell and just put you in there for twenty minutes,
and damble, and it was just going on and everywhere,
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and he ended up writing up about it, and they
put him in the cell like and they didn't like it,
so they transferred him with i think six months left,
and they put him in the cell with a notorious
killer rapist, this dude, and let him get beaten and
raped to death, and they called the family and just
played it off like nothing that wasn't their fall was
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an accident. And it was like at that moment and
that like seeing that stuff, it was like in my mind,
especially going in at twenty two twenty three, knowing that
I'll get out right as I turned thirty, It's like
I'm never going to go home.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I became like I just had to.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Learn this whole new world where you know, it's the
officers will put you in positions to where you're going
to end up having to get a life sentence or not,
and you're either like almost either going to be a
victim or you're going to be like a warrior in
some way for yourself, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So wait, let's break this down. So Ricky Martin, not
the singer, get gets put in sell on purpose by
officers in order to be brutally beaten and raped by
somebody who's up for it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, so they never proved that, and it's it's like
when you see things like what happened to that inmate
Brooks in New York. I believe that was beaten by
the fourteen officers, and like people like, what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're just going to.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Probably fire them and maybe one guy will get a manslaughter,
But they don't. They control the world, like that's their world.
They have their own kangaroo court. And so when he
did that, it was like real wild in the Panhandle
of Florida, like northern Florida, and you had a place
called Aci Homes, Correctional Jack all these different It was
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like a triangle and they would ship you here, ship
you there, and just keep you in rotation and hide
you from your family and all that. And he was
always like he wasn't how do I say? He was
very confused, like he didn't know where he fit in.
He didn't like he came from like the streets, trying
to be like a gangster and then realized that, oh no,
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I'm not like that. But he had already befriended the
wrong people, and when he wanted to get away from it,
they're like, oh, it doesn't work like that. Here you
have to pay or you have to you know. So
he was getting extorted and abused and the fight they
were having a fight club that was going on. It
was really just like they call it like gladiator fights,
and they put you in the cell wherever wherever it
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was going to happen, and it could be a tromo,
a tamulus, and like they would then right after they
would gas you like pepper spray you, beat you and
put you in the showers, or sometimes they'd give you
a food, cell phone, whatever you would want. And he
was trying to get away from where he was at
because he was getting like really abused by the officers
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physically mentally, and so he wrote to the higher up saying, hey,
they're doing some fight club here and I went out,
not knowing that the officer that's getting it is helping.
You know, he's the boss of the so is it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It would be like the special Investigative Unit.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So yeah, well, before any mail can leave anywhere, it
has to go through a captain or the like, some somebody.
If he tries to write it to where it's some
higher up, so he's writing a grievance, so it'd have
to go to an office. But that officer is just
probably best friends with that sergeant who's doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He's probably gambling on it too, and.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He probably went down and said, hey, you need to
get things under control before this gets an outside incident.
And you know, they didn't ever get convicted. However, they
grabbed him up, cuffed him up for writing that, and
they put him in the cell with the guy that's
twice his size and is doing a life sentence for
murder and a lot of violent crimes and is known
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to sexually assault, stab and he's he's that's what he does.
He's in a cell by himself and the kid Ricky
not a kid, but he was twenty two young man,
and he's screaming no, no, no, And then he got
in the cell and he was trying to cut himself
with like razors and all this stuff to try to
do anything to get out. And the guy screams in
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the tier like the like the we're all locked in
to cell twenty four to seven in FLOORA, no air conditioning.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's hard time and confinement, isolation, and he's like, y'all
want to see me? You know, whatever killed it?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Like whatever, He screamed about hurting this kid I don't
really remember, and people were cheering him on. Other people weren't.
But it went on for fifteen minutes and he was
just compident.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You guys could hear it all. You could hear it all,
and people are cheering it on.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
People are screaming, other people like are just being quiet,
other people are everyone's having their own reaction. And it's
one of those things where for me being twenty three
twenty four and in isolation, where like I said, you're
lucky if you shower twice a week, no air conditioning,
they barely give you toilet paper.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, it's one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
They put that heater on, it's hard, and they're doing
all this gladiator stuff. So in my mind, I'm like,
I just don't want to get caught looking and I
don't want to be seen looking into any of this
because that's how it conditions you. So this kid's brutally
getting tortured and they're finally fifteen to maybe nineteen twenty
five minutes later they come. It's always like an awkward
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time so they can I don't know why they do that,
maybe to look better, like we were just on our way, yeah,
and they come in there. Yeah, and like they walked away.
And the thing about isolation in Florida especially is they're
supposed to check every fifteen minutes, every thirty to fifteen
to thirty minutes on the inmates because everybody's in there
because their management problems for the prison, and they just
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let it happen. People were beating on the door screaming
and he would stomp his head in. I mean, it's
all over the news, like people can search on Googan.
And then they found out that he was getting tortured sexually, physically, mentally,
and they got him out and the family didn't find
out for like three days, and it was like it
was like that's when things were so real, but it
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was almost like a twenty three. It didn't even surprise
me that that happened until I got out and was
able to process how like, what the fuck did I
go through? To me, it was like, okay, now I know,
you know, it was just like it was just a
lesson of what not to do in my mind or
almost like they make it seem like he deserved it.
That's the mentality that they instill. Yeah, it's that was
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a bad thing, real horrible in the family.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
They picked up the buy. It was just really and
he almost went home in six months. And he wasn't
a bad kid, wasn't He was just a.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Troubled kid at twenty three, twenty four years old in
there for stolen property doing a year less than a
year or three less than three years, but had like
a year left to do, maybe six months. And they
put him in a cell with the guy twice his size,
a lifer that's a convicted murderer, rapist, Like, come on
that and they say, oh, we didn't know.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
We try our best, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's like, yeah, it's it's insane. I mean, I think
people don't understand too that you you don't go to
prison because you're a horrible person all the time, and
you don't go because you did massive crimes all the time,
but you end up in the in this mixed bag
of crimes and psychopathy. What what's your wrap sheet? If
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you care to explain?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I have nothing to hide, so with me, like,
I wasn't really like I don't get me wrong, it's
bad no matter what you do, but I wasn't like
this hardcore criminal I was doing like I say, to
maybe compartmentalize the dirt bag and dirtbag crime.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I was just with my friends.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
We rob drug dealers and sell and make money for
their ship or their stuff to do that, and then
party and bar fights like stuff like that. It was
like very serious, but it was just like we were
just living in the moment. And obviously it has a
lot to do with situations I grew up in and that,
but as far as it was like just robbery on
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like a drug dealer, battery, everything was like that. And
but at the end of the day, you're committing crimes,
You're you're running into people's houses, you're fighting, doesn't matter
who they are, what they're you can't do that. So
when I was six, like in my teenage years, I
spent about three years in the juvenile prison system. Got
out trying to do right, well, not trying, but I
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believed I would. And then at twenty two, I robbed
the drug dealer's house and ultimately got caught and went
away twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, got right out
as I turned twenty nine. So yeah, I did a
lot of growing up in there.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And yeah, you know, it's what's it like, what's it
like for you emotionally to reflect back on your time inside?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So in the beginning, I didn't understand how what I
went through and what I believed to be right per se,
like was just so twisted. And looking back in the way,
you know, telling a lot of stories of people I've
met and situations I've been in and seeing you know,
what I cover on my page, it's like, not that
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I'm cold to it, it's just it makes you become
either the best version of yourself or literally the worst
version of yourself. And luckily for me, I want it
to change and become better. But I use it more
as like I would say, it's like the horrific, just
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as a tool to say, okay, well this situation we're
in now, you know, remember that time when this happened
or that happened. And of course some things you can't
unsee or unhear. And it's a lot of violence, of corruption,
and it's hard to truly trust people, and you always
have your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And like you said, people can go in.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
There with a little bit of time and go to
some easier prison, go home, have no problem. But then
they'll send somebody with two or three years and he
goes to the worst prison in the state and ends
up never going home or getting twenty thirty years or
whatever happens. So that mentality has always been like that,
can never shake, always just being aware always it's good
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and bad. Like for my son, whoever's teachers are, I'm
doing a full background check on everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
The entrant is life, who's here, who's there? Everyone here?
Like everything. But then at the same time, and especially
working in the beginning, I would compare people like, oh,
he would never survive. He would and it was such
a crazy callous way to look at life. So and
then once it I guess, how do you say? Life?
Is life? Right?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Like you lose family members and things catch up to you,
and it's like it all just like kind of builds up.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And for me it was.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Like I was so tired having this hate and this
like this unfounded anger, and I was living right and
working and still am obviously, and it was just like
I just had to let it go and I found
better ways. But for some people, they're broken. They get
out and they can't handle it. The isolation breaks them.
They have no social skills, They're always paranoid, and it
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all stems from usually childhood trauma, and then they go
to prison and get a lot more trauma, and then
they get out and it's like, go work your job, now,
go go now.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, and they're like, and yeah, they work criminals.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But a lot of people's situations stem from when they
are children and the environment, not everybody, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So it's a never ending battle.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
It's just I just know that I can never give
into any emotions except being the best father for my son,
period because I don't want him.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Can you tell me kind of about the moment it
clicked Trio?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, it was probably about three to four years into
my sentence, and I did a lot of time in
confinement because it wasn't like I was trying to be
some bad person in prison. Just when you're young, you
feel you have to like go above and beyond. And
especially when you're in North Florida it's more country, and
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I'm from South Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
They look at you like, oh, look at Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So so much things were like presented to me, violence
and just so and I think it was about three
and a half four years of just the stabbings and
the fights and the riots, the corruption, and at the
same time, I became somebody I never became before, a healthy,
strong I was reading, working out, real, in touch with
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who I was, humble, yet I couldn't show that on
the surface, and I was like, now I really want
to show this person who I really am, to a
relationship to a kid.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I want people to know me who I am.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But at the same time, it was like, I have
to balance this world of just complete chaos. So about
three and a half four years and I was in confinement,
I was like, I have to start manifesting something.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I have to get a plan going, But you can't
share that with somebody because it's a weakness to somebody
in there or an officer like, oh look he thinks
he's better who It's just it's so I just kept
building internally, internally, internally.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then once I made it home, I started to go
after exactly what I had planned and manifested and just
shook all that out of my head.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But you know, some things just can't leave that easy.
You know, we'll.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Be right back after this break. Do you think that
you have a mental health disorder?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like, is there a trauma? Is there? How do you
Where does all this shit go that you experienced.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So I know that, of course there's always going to
be some type of like traumatic you know, post traumatic
stress anything when you see and go through these violent situations.
Just all this constant every day, whether it's mental, physical, anything.
It's just I was, I guess the same trauma that
was there to break me and all the chaos at
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the same time.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It made me have to go into the fray and
there is.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
No you don't have the luxury in there to say,
you know, I'm feeling down today, I'm just gonna work
on myself and do itself. It's like it's immediate chaos,
immediate violence, and it's drama. The officers of this happened
this part. So I think having that same horrific chaotic
environment also made me be able to not compartmentalize, but
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be able to say, all right, yeah, I feel the pain.
I have empathy, I know what I feel. But at
the same time, I don't have the luxury. I'm so
far behind, Like I use that same mindset to stay
as a fight. I can't leave my son in any
situation that I was, I can't leave in vulnerable I
have to protect him. I don't have this luxury. So
I use that same thing. And then I got into
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a lot of like martial arts and kickboxing and a
lot of healthy activities. But at the same time, don't
ever think it ever goes away. Tho's always in your head.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
The silences could be very loud sometimes and you start
thinking about so many people that are in there and
or that got killed like that guy, rip you Martin,
and just so much rrific thing are people that get
out and they were never drug addicts before, but they
get out straight to the needle and they die and
fending all whatever it is because they can't cope with anything.
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And like you said, there's no one to talk to,
there's no one to be like, hey, this is because
we're going to be like you shouldn't have been the prison,
shouldn't you know? And it's just so it's like a
I had to use that same mentality that was like
there to break me to make me become the perseverance person.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You know. I guess it's the best way I could
put it, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean as a clinician, as a psychologist, I
thought the teams in the jails and prisons were shit
like it was like the bottom of the barrel of
this field. And I was horrified. And that's part of
the reason why I left, because I didn't want to
level down.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's it's it's almost like if you're not part of
the problem, it's like the reverse thing. If you're not
part of the problem, you're not part of the solution
over like they want you to be problematic there. Like
if and I've seen this happen where somebody would put
their mistrust, say somebody was really having a mental breakdown
in there, whatever they're going through, and they would talk
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about it with somebody that was, you know, there for
mental health treatment, and they would go tell an officer,
and an officer would go tell everybody, hey, he's over
here telling about you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You and like put the guy in the scope.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
So that's another thing, like you said, where the bottom
of the barrel where?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Or they're having full on relationships.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Or they just don't care, like I don't got time
for this, or they're bringing so you learn like, Okay,
I cannot trust anybody, Like there's no law and order,
there's no doctor I can trust or go to. It's
that you just have to learn to everything to be
your best at it. I guess it's either like I said,
like people become their worst they break and they just
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get lost in that pray, or you just learn that
nobody's coming to save you.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
No doctor is, no one, and it kind of pushes
you one way or the other. It's like two extremes.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, it's wild. I mean, like you and not. Okay,
we're both parents. I don't consider myself paranoid or overly
vigil but I am watching more than anyone else. Like,
I don't know how to explain to people, like our
level of awareness and alertness is not negative. It's not
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a side effect of mental health or trauma. It's because
we've seen real shit in the capacity of the human
mind and what it can do.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
True.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, I mean you said it the best and like
a lot of people say, oh, you're overreacting, I said, oh, no,
Like that's what they always say before it happens. Oh,
because we've seen where the system will literally leave a
kid in jeopardy until he's truly she or he's truly
hurt or dead or or something horrific happens. But it
could have stopped two three, years ago with you know,
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the twenty different calls of social services, and it's very
like and that's the same thing with me. I saw
it from the inside of like, oh, like and this
guy was a coach, this guy was a teacher, you know,
this person was this this a cop, and it's so
it's it's it's just very hard to balance that, especially
in today's society, where people feel, oh, you're you can't
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do that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You can't. No, I can one hundred percent. And that's it.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's my son and I know like, and it's usually
the people telling you you're crazy are the ones that
are truly deceptive.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And that's what I've learned. And you know, they'll say you're.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Crazy, you know, you're paranoid the prisons, No, I know,
I'm the crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, can you give me some maybe some facts related
to that. So, how many people did you come across
in prison who, like their victims, never saw it coming,
you know, you you talked to prison staff, you talk
to other prisoners, and they would say, oh, you know,
I thought it was fine with the guy. I didn't
see it coming. He seemed fine. And that's that's what
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everyone fucking says.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, it's that explosive violence where it's and like there's
like a like the inmates will say, like to an officer,
that is like real corrupt. I mean like you have
to get lucky every day. We only have to get
lucky once. And it's basically like it's always that person
that's going to get in your good graces, like it's
your enemy. Is never an enemy, it's your best friend.
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It's the teacher, it's the coach, and it's that's how
it goes. They're going to be the knife in the back.
And it's that's ninety percent of all incidents that happened,
I never saw it coming. Or an officer gets killed
and they make it but he was alone or too friendly,
and it's like, well we didn't see it, or even
an inmate, like I thought that officer was nice to
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me and never and you did see it coming. You
just didn't want to accept the reality. But a snake
is a snake. They're just going to shed their skin
and become bigger and bigger. And it's that's true. That's
very like as far as prison goes. That showed me
that there it's not so much don't trust, don't it's
it's always just learn everything possible about everyone that comes
in contact with your personal personal life, because there's truly
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masters of manipulation. Some people just go to prison to
work and they're just like maniacs. They love the torture
and to put people through that, and same with inmates.
So'll pretend like the most evil ones will be the
ones in there that they're sick, rapist, childless or tomo
Tomo's all that, And they're the ones that go in
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there and they have the glasses on and they're acting
like they're the grandfather.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And he's bullying. Stop I'm an old man. But it's like,
look at his record. This man has hurt ten different
children since the last and you're like, oh, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And but all those other people they always thought, oh
he's just a nice guy, and you see him turn
it on and off, especially in prison when they're in danger,
they're like, oh, I'm disabled.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know. It's it's just all a conspiracy and it's
it's twisted.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It is, like you said, can't so for people listening,
how how can we explain to them, like how to
listen to red flags, like especially around child molestation because
for like for me, the chaumas. The pedophiles were always
the ones in prison that I wanted to be around
(26:03):
more because I felt safer because they weren't going to
hurt me, right, And they were also the sweetest. They
knew how to put on the charm, they knew how
to like they their egos didn't get in front of
their mission.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, they're right, they're like their whole thing is their
little snakes, like whatever it is to survive, because they
go after the vulnerable obviously, and it's that's their mo
And And the way that I think people have misunderstanding
is when something happens and they even if it's a
feeling or whatever intuition, and you just you know, as
(26:39):
a parent or anybody you know, when something's not right,
whether your kid, people won't act immediately because they're scared
of how they look or their friends or it might
fuck that you have to the second you let one
of these evil fuckers.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Get any type of leverage, that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
They're gonna say, why didn't you ret it's better to
be wrong a thousand times, you know, and then missed
it that one time.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
That's I mean, that's why I did that fucking shopping
cart video. I don't know if you saw that video,
but I just basically said, don't return your shopping cart
if you have put your groceries in the car and
your kids are in the car and there's a point
of vulnerability. Yeah, and even today I got another death
threat saying return your cart, I'll kill you. And it's
(27:27):
just like, guys, we have to not look at judgment.
We have to trust our intuition.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I mean, that's that's the truth. Like that you cannot.
They're already looking for the vulnerable. And even then to like,
even if they don't act in that situation, they'll take
a note these predators and say, oh, look at them,
they leave their kid alone in a car like that,
all right, and they'll just keep that in their mind
and they might not act on that impulse then, but
they that's and that's the game they play.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah. I think that's fucking brilliant what you just said. Like,
even if they're not going to do it now, they're
going to take note. And we're so naive to think
that if we didn't get snatched or they didn't get
snatched at that moment, we're fine. Yeah, that there's so
much planning and preparation behind predators.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
A predator is a coward, that's what they are.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They go after the week, the vulnerable, and they're opportunists,
you know, that's what they do. There's snakes, you know,
they don't go after someone like me. There's just walking
by myself and grab me and say hey, come here.
You know, they're going to go after the situation that
they know they can control and dominate or sneak in
and prevail. So even if you see somebody and you're like, okay,
(28:43):
obviously I'm not going to leave my son alone or
my daughter alone for a second, at the same time,
this guy is looking way too hard because you know,
when something's not right, pick up the phone and call out,
or if you see some guy, hey can just anything
to bring attention to the situation. And you could be wrong,
but you cannot afford to ever ever be right, and
that you know what I mean. If they're right and
(29:04):
you're wrong, then that's that's it. There's no more coming
back from that. And the rest of your life that
kid is hopefully you know, can live, but it's going
to be destroyed mentally. You're going to be destroyed mentally,
and it's all because you wanted to live up to
a social standard that doesn't protect your child.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And in prison too, like I'm obviously I have.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
A hatred for predators and and did my share of
making sure that you received their justice. But one in
four inmates and I talked to a lady that worked
in there have been around some type of either they
were sexually abused as a child or a family member,
or they saw something. And that's where a lot of
(29:49):
the hate comes from. Obviously, you know, anybody sees it
and they're like, oh my god, what like like they
feel that anger immediately, and then it's amplified as like,
wait a minute, I remember when I.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Was that kid.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And so that's a huge statistic, Like one in four
have seen it, been around, it failed by the system,
and they think in their head, why would my mom
have left me in a car alone? They know a
lot of them probably feel like that, and that's how
they got to look like, how do you think your
child would feel if you want to go return a
car so you can be socially norm and say you
(30:23):
did it, and then some guys in the car or whoever,
some predators in the car. Now your kid is and
that's all they got to feel, feel how your kid
would feel, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, And that's the best advice I can probably give
on that.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'm sorry it's time for commercial. I mean that leads
me to a good question, what as next con What
are the soft points that you look for that you
did look for in targets?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Well, for me, like, I'm not minimizing this.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
You know, I was robbing drug dealers and draw a
bunch of dirt bags being dirtbags, which are so it
was kind of like somebody would say, hey, like this
person here or a girl would set up this guy,
but we were like doing it more for the rush
in a way. However, in prison, I remember a specific situation.
(31:20):
I talked to a friend of mine I grew up with,
and his kid used to go to a park and
this park was like a well known park where I
grew up, and this guy was putting kitty cameras or
cameras in the kitty bathroom and he was selling.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
It whatever he was doing. And if you looked at
this person, you wouldn't even think anything of it. You
just think this is just some regular guy working out whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I remember getting an officer to tell me what happened,
and it all got to me that that guy is
the one that was putting I think it was like.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Ninety kids that were in this huge case and he
was just.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Putting the camera in there, putting the camera in there,
and nobody really cared. And it turned out this guy
was already a convicted sex offender, should have never been
at the park. And everyone's looking back in hindsight like, yeah,
he was kind of creepy in this, and but like
nobody said anything because they didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
And you have to look at that situation. And I
go up to him.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I already know everything he's he's one hundred percent about
like I already know everything I've been briefed and especially
what the situation is, and I want to see how
he responds.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I go, hey, what are you in here for?
Are you? Are you a predator sex offender? What's your deal? Man?
And because he's you know, and he's like, well, what's
your definite?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And immediately you see this snake of a human come
out and it's like the victim. His body language, his
posture turns into like a like almost like he doesn't
want it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I'm not anything what's your definition of a predator? I
mean me, I'm here really for burglary, but you know,
and he's trying, and it's like, oh no, and I
just it's they can immediately just that long game. And
so many people will say, you know what, you're right,
you know, we'll just leave him alone. But for me,
I had no mercy on any pressures. It's horrible as
(33:08):
that sounds.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I I just it just there's no It's like when
you watch it on TV and you see it and
you're like, how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
How did this guy?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You know a lot of times parents will one of
the most common things was a boyfriend or a girlfriend
will become the babysitter that they've known maybe three months,
and then you see it happen and the guy goes
to prison, and that just.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Like and the grooming and how sophisticated the grooming is
that people get sucked into. Yeah, and you'll.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
See it in prison, Like it's almost like this is
how you're like briefed in prison. You get there on
twenty two, twenty three, I might see somebody that I
know from I grew up with you. It's like sixty
degrees of separation. I know somebody and I say, hey,
what's up, man, how are you?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's going on? Viking?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Hey, listen, you know this guy, here is this this
this watch out for this guy.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He's a he's a rapist.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
This is gang to extore people. All right, here's a knife,
here's a weapon. All right, man, see later. And you're
like all right, you know, so you're ready to go,
and you watch and you'll go and you'll see somebody
and so like you'll say, hey, man, look stop talking
to that dude. He's gonna try to write people. He's
setting you up, he's grooming you, he's gonna get you.
And he's like, man, and it's either they listen or don't.
(34:20):
But it's like we don't have time to like really
go into it because we're trying to survive ourselves. And
you'll see, first the guy start off with like, hey man,
trying to get some canteen for my family, but I
can't read or write, just something so simple. So the
guy helps him, and then it starts off like that,
and then before you know it, you look and the
guy's fully just turned out and.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, question if you could commit a crime and get
away with it, or legalize something that's currently illegal. What
would it be?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
So you're saying, if I could just do a crime
and then it would become legal, or what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I mean if you.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Could it's like something that's illegal, now would you make
it legal? And it's something you'd want to do.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Well, I don't have any impulses to do anything to
hurt anybody, but I guess the best thing I could
say is that they need to if I guess legalized
killing child molestors or or doing something where like there's
like there's so many that live around these kids, and
there shouldn't be where they're going to get rehabilitated and
(35:28):
come home in the community, and they like it should
be you're that's it.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, You're you're done.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like it's it's give the parent of like if you
can prove it one hundred percent God for you know,
and it's like okay, well you have to die. You
forfeit your life now, like it should be just as
serious as murder, if not like just an automatic you
forfeit everything. You should be castrated and everything like that.
So not so much like a crime of maybe crime
of past I don't know. How to say it, but yeah,
(35:55):
just to exterminate these child molesters that they're the worked
they and they don't stop until they're stopped.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I mean, I agree. I've been around ones that have
been castrated and still offend. You know, it's and it's
not about sex all the time or stimulation.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
It's about power, Yeah, the power.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And they look different. Everything about them is different.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Their eyes and their smell is just everything is just yeah,
and it's it's it's twisted.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay. Another question, death penalty, What do you think about
the types of ways that we do it? So we've
got firing, squad, injection, electrocution, what do you think about
like being in prison and that people are awaiting death
in these ways?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
It's very intense.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I knew somebody that was fighting a death penalty case
and got ultimately sentenced to death while I was in
jail waiting to go to prison, and it's like he
did some horrific shit, Like there's no I mean, he
didn't hurt any kids, right, but it doesn't matter. He
killed a copper in the whole situation and anyway, so
it's one of those things where I understand it.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
However, unless I was the victim God forbid, or knew
a victim, or my family member was the It's one
of those things that it's almost impossible to know until
you know, because it's easy to say you're against something,
but then God forbid something happens to your kid or
something like that, then you're like, oh, I'm going to
(37:32):
go kill this person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
So it's like.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
And then to me, that's the hardest, Like people are like, oh,
they just sit on death row and it is literally
the worst punishment of all sitting there for twenty years,
fifteen years, knowing that nothing you do matters, and they're
going to put you on a table and put a needle.
And I understand that if one person was innocent, then
the whole but it's such a but that's like saying
(37:59):
how many do we stop arresting?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Like how far does it go?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
And I guess it's one of those things where your
own personal belief and your situation.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Depends on how people feel about that.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's just all you got to do is and this
is what the argument I have with not argument, but
debate I have with people a lot, is well, ask
yourself this, if he did that to a family member
of your a kid of yours, and you could kill him,
what would you do?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I kill I do it? How would you do it?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I torture, all right, But at the same time you're like,
it doesn't make it right though. So it's just it's
one of those situations that I guess you have to
hopefully never know and seeing some people and then then
you feel for people that were innocent and spent thirty
forty years and flawed system. But I mean, it's the
(38:45):
system we have, So I mean, I don't know. It's
that's a hard one to really put in perspective because
I've seen it from both sides of like, yeah, I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
A mind fuck for me, but I can't even imagine
for you because you have seen it from both sides.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah. I remember.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
The guy got sentenced to death and I was in
like a high custody unit in the jail, and like
they got death row inmates, and it's everyone's kind of
isolated waiting.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I'm waiting to go to prison.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
He's waiting he gets a death sentence, and I remember
they bring him the phone and it was like hearing
a child. It's like this guy was his big gangster
and he loved all the attention. But when it was real,
and it was that minute, that moment where he knows
he's going to go to Florida State Prison and he
put the death most likely, mom, I love you, I
(39:31):
love like It was like a child speaking again. And
at the same time, you feel bad. But then I'm thinking, well,
how would the victims feel what they feel good? Yeah,
it's like you said, it's a mind seeing it from
both sides, it's like it's just horrible on every angle.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I want to tell you a story and just get
your feedback. And then in the lens. So I did
a lot of fertility treatment when I was working in
a Tascadero hospital, so inside maximum security present and everyone's nuts.
And the day I found out I was pregnant, no
(40:08):
one knew, no one would have known. But one of
the really really high ranking gangsters in there said, you
need to meet me in the visiting center, which is
weird because it's kind of free roaming. We can talk,
we don't have to wait to go to the visiting center.
So I go there and he says, they know you're pregnant.
(40:28):
They're taking beds on who's going to kick your belly
and kill the baby. And this is the last time
you step foot in here.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Wow, and that is crazy. I mean, that's terrific. I'm
sorry I had to go through that, but it's the
realities of the demons. It's a monster, it's a it's
a horror house, and like how's the horse.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it's a whorehouse in certain selves, you.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Got mnage but anyway, but what it'll be is you
have no They don't have any regard for their employees,
especially if somebody is doing their job correctly. They're gonna
look at you like you're a bad person for what
would you think? This is not how it goes here.
You're gonna fall in line and they have their oh
or like with a lot of women too, their working corrections.
(41:18):
They're almost expected to be in relationships with men and
officers also. And if they don't there she thinks she's
too good. I think she likes inmates. So they like
put you out there, they put your business out there.
And a lot of times what that was about is
probably an officer saying man suck her, like I'll give
some of you this, this and this if you do
(41:38):
this to her almost like somebody was mad about something,
and for anybody to leak that to an inmate or
any put you in any that's insane. And then that
sounds like an officer or somebody was like, hey this
you know that lady that she made up some rumor line.
You guys handle that for me and I'll make sure
this the most basic privilege, you know, and that's the
(41:59):
scare everything.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
I'm glad you got out of there, and yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Know, yeah, that's but your take on that's interesting, Like,
actually I never thought about their staff being involved.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It's usually if you like, it'll be usually like an
inmate like that who's like the higher rank and shot
like he doesn't want to see women and children get
work like that. That's that's a weakness, especially organizations in
prison that have been like around for twenty thirty, like
they don't want that. Lemits not saying they're all these righteous,
but that's one thing people don't do.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's like you don't tick a pregnant woman. Yeah, if
you do that.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
So he probably because if he was like a shot
caller or which he was, like you said, he would
have been able to put an end to that unless
it was coming from authority usually, like because nobody would
really step to an inmate and be like, hey man,
we're going to kick this pregnantly because they would literally
be like have their face cut open and get. You
got to get because that's just as bad as being
(42:57):
a child molesser or rapist.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Anything like that.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Sounds like it might have been from the internal, and
that's usually where most of the violence stems from. That's
where ninety percent of all altercations I had. They weren't
started by them, but they were the fuse was lit
by them, and I had to react accordingly.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So yeah, it doesn't shock me at all.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Wow. I never thought about it from that perspective. And
my husband was a psychologist there too, but no one knew,
so I thought.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, it's they're dirty, like fuck. I like, people would
never believe it, and I didn't. Like I always heard
things before I went in, and going from the juvenile
prison it's different.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
They're more of like military boot camp kind.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Then you go there and you hear this stuff and
they always say, don't it's not the inmates you gotta
worry about, it's these officers, And then you start seeing
them killing inmates or bringing everything. So when you see that,
oh there's nothing and you can't write a letter and
say hey, I'm gonna call your superior and they're like, oh,
can me the letter? Please let me speak, Yeah, you know,
let me see what you got there for me. Even
(44:01):
the sick call, they'll bring you there like they did
to that guy. Like a lot of times they'll put
a fake sick call in and if they don't like
you or they like if anything, and like that inmate.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
If somebody would have found out, they bring them to
medical where.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
There's no cameras and they beat them to death and say,
oh it's natural causes.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's just it's insane, It truly is.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
So yeah, I think that sounds like some internal situation,
regardless of it was inmate and officer or just who knows,
but I'm guarantee an officer somebody leaked your information and
the fact that that wasn't immediate, like that's just insane.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's just very yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
But fucking wow. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, that's that's intense. Yeah, it's very intense.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Okay, So where do you go from here? What what's
life look like?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
So I've got a very simple structure, very disciplined. I
don't get me wrong, shit gets pray. But having my
son obviously that's my priority.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I work work out train. I used to when I
first got out of prison. I was heavy into kickboxing
and MMA. I would just everywhere. I'd go all over
New York, South Carolina, Georgia, just fight and everything. It
was more I wanted to give myself like that validation
I guess and be like, I'm not this, you know,
and then it ended up opening doors. But I still
(45:24):
stay in that world where it's wake up, take care
of my son, work work out train, take care of
my pick my son, eat, read a book, documentary, repeat,
and I keep it like that, and you know, obviously
it doesn't It's not perfect all the time. I just
know that I can't ever reach out to anybody or
just do anything. It's just my life is now to
(45:45):
be the best fun everything I went through to me
now so my son hopefully will never have to experience
one tenth of anything I've ever experienced.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
And that's really what I do is just try.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
To be a better man every day. I don't have
like New Year k new me. It's just every day
I have to evolve every day.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
If there's something that you can gain from from us
talking today and your story being shared and fucking epic
advice I think is life changing for people listening. But
what what could you gain from this? What can the
world give you that would add to you?
Speaker 3 (46:25):
So one of the best parts of everything that I
talk about and do is that it's like, you know,
like to live is to stuff or to find meaning
is you know, the whole.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
It's like the fact that I've read a couple of
books but.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
So cheesy, so cheesy, I love it so but all
kidding aside, it's being able to know, like I endured
some serious, serious stuff, you know, like stuff that I
will I talk about a lot of stuff, but some
stuff I'll never be able to talk about in life.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And knowing that I was able to door that.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
And become better through that, It's okay, that's good for me,
but not only I'm able to bring this to the
world and say, look like this is what you need
to do to protect your kids.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
This is and.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Almost it's eye opening and like wait a minute, and
hopefully I could just help one parent. I know, it's
like the corny thing to say, just one person to
be able to protect their kid better, or someone that's
going through and feels like nothing's working and they're ready
just to give it all up.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
The system.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
It just to keep fighting and fighting. I promise you
it'll work. You just they want you to quit. They
want you to stop. They want you to believe that
you're doing the wrong thing. But your kid can You
cannot give up on your kid. You can never be wrong.
You can never be wrong for doing something you feel
is right for your kid. And that's going through the
hell I went through. I was able to give people
(47:48):
this advice and this eye opening experiences and say, oh no,
they don't give a shit, Oh none of that matters.
Only you as mom. You as that fuck a shopping cart,
and you need to that go you know, and trust
your instinct and stopped playing because when it happens, you're
going to say, uh, you know, there's no excuse, it's
(48:10):
I guess that's the best thing.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
The hell I went through gives me a chance to
speak to the world so they don't have to endure
or see these evil, evil people that exist in all
aspects of our society every day.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, yeah, and fuck the shopping cart.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Fuck that shopping card. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
There you go, I got one fan. Thank you for
tuning into another episode of intentionally disturbing. I hope you
enjoyed meeting the Viking and that you enjoyed his perspective.
Maybe it was a different perspective than you anticipated. Maybe
you learned something, Maybe you learned something that you didn't
(48:52):
want to know. But I really hope that you know,
maybe you took in something that the world has kept
do from seeing. And the rose colored glasses might be
a little more clear now, because there's a whole part
of the world that I hope you never have to experience,
(49:14):
and he has, and he can give us a glimpse
into something that really really sucks at times, and he
had the ability to show us his resilience and how
he made it through. I'll see you next time.
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