April 24, 2025 • 45 mins
Leslie is a skeptic. So when she heard that there was a woman named Lisa who says she can see dead people, she didn't believe. But then Lisa came to her house and talked to ghosts, and now Leslie is a full on-believer. This week Leslie and Lisa talk about how non-traditional approaches to therapy, like mediums, can make a difference in people's lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is doctor Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing.
Today my guest is Lisa Mercer. Lisa sees dead people.
She identifies as a medium and as a psychologist. I've
always been very skeptical and we hashed this out, but
at the end of the day, I believe her, and
I believe that while we were talking, dead people were
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in the room and they were talking to me, and
I think my grandfather was there. I hope you enjoy
this episode and maybe not criticize or judge so quickly
things you are not familiar with. Okay, you're here. I'm
doctor Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing. I would like
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you to meet my friend who sees dead people, Lisa Mercer.
Now this is not how she would define herself, so
I'm going to bring her right in and let her
define herself. Lisa, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I talked to do and thank you for being here,
thank you for having me, And we go kind of
not far back, but we go back enough. I am
a medium. I am a psychic medium. I see and
talk to and feel dead people for a living.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Feel yes, feel oh like emotionally.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I can feel emotions from them.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I can also feel physically an ailment and acre pain
that they dealt with in life, and oftentimes they will
let me know through feeling how they died.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
That's fucking crazy, Yes it is, okay, So as a psychologist, right,
it was hard for me to believe. Yes, and now
I like really believe it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What changed your mind seeing you in action?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah? Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, so I'm not I'm never in the business of
convincing people that I do is real. My kind of
philosophy is people find me. If you're curious, if you
are in grief and you need kind of an extra
different modality on how to help you heal, come find me.
But I'm not. I don't care if people believe or
don't believe, and so I just kind of do my thing.
(02:18):
And I'm always I get such a kick out of
people like you who are like, Nope, this is not
a thing, this is a bit crazy. But I'm open
enough to just see ye and then have the experience.
So I didn't know that you were like a complete
non believer, though I'm glad I didn't know that ahead
of time.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm raised atheist. Oh okay, like evangelistic atheists, like we
were kicked out of people's homes because my father would
not shut the fuck up about religion. Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, And I grew up Christian, going to Sunday school
every week, even went to a Christian college. That's so interesting,
so opposite, so opposite. And now you so what do you?
Can I ask you a question. I'm like on your
podcast asking questions, how is that changed the experience with me?
And by the way, I'm just the mouthpiece for spirit
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spirit meeting anybody on the other side. It's not me
creating magic. I'm just their vocal cords. I'm just putting
words behind their messages. So I don't mean to sound
like when you had your experience with me, it's not
mea has did that change your perspective of God or
a higher power or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I wouldn't say a higher power God, but it changed
my perspective of the presence of spirits in my daily
life and it gave me more hope. Wow, it really was.
And that's exactly why I wanted to have you on today.
Thank you, because I want the world to see that.
Can you talk to me a little bit about how
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you train for this sure like, how how to maybe
a non believer? Yeah, so you were a kid when
this started, and then you kind of got into the
training of becoming a medium can take us down the sure.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I just like little backstory my first memory of
seeing a dead person and knowing that I had an ability,
I had a gift that not many people around me had.
I was four, So this has been with me practically
my whole life. But for the majority of my life
because I was my family was very religious, I pretended
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acted like it wasn't inside of me. It wasn't a
part of me because this is absolutely not in agreement
with the values of the Christian Church. We can pick
that apart all we want, because that's part of my
kind of self acceptance, my journey. It wasn't until I
was in my twenties, mid to late twenties I forget
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I was either a victim advocate, so I was a
vict madvigate for a handful of years. Then I worked
at a police department as a civilian investigator. And it
was either right as I was winding down my victim
advocate career starting at the police department, or I was
already at the police department. I can't remember specific time period,
but the dead people were just showing up for me
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all day, every day.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, you have to break that down what that actually
looks like?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like, uh, what does it mean?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So like you're you're so I'm talking to people who.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And is there like a yeah all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
It's just like, Hi, I know, we know you can
see us. Hi, we know you can hear the best.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They're everywhere, They're everywhere?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Are they Are they here now?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
They're here now of course.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So it's just I had to learn.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
This is why I had to get trained for this,
because I spent most of my life suppressing these gifts,
which we know the more you suppress your innate talents
and your abilities, the more anxiety you have because you're
not living your truth.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And so I was existing in this super anxious written
body for most of my life thinking that I ate
a true psychological disorder schizophrenia exactly. And well, I didn't
think that I knew everything was real. I didn't doubt
that I could see things and feel things, and not
just with dead people. I'm really intuitive, so I can
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meet a living person and know within seconds if I
want to be around them or not.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh so, and that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Started at four also, so I believed, I knew that
I had these gifts, but I was terrified of them
because of how I was raised, because of the religious doctrine.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So for somebody who doesn't understand Christianity, like why is
it so bad?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So it's there are there's a Bible verse that says,
you know, do not consult psychics or mediums. There's a
lot of scripture about because it's seen as you're going
to a false prophet, you're going to They they don't
believe that spirit can communicate dead loved ones can communicate
with humans.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
They believe in the Holy Spirit, which is God, but.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
They don't believe that souls can communicate with humans after
they die, which to me is I just it's not true.
But they also believe that the devil is the great deceiver,
and so that the devil will make you think that
you're actually talking to your grandma, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's the devil.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And so there's a lot of you know, trickery and deceit,
and you shouldn't do that. You're tapping into dark energy,
you're tapping into the devil. So I was told twice
as a little girl, genuinely going to a middle school
youth pastor and a high school youth pastor, like, hey,
every time I walk into a room, all the lights flicker,
or every time I'm downstairs, like the cabinets in the
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kitchen start opening and closing, Like I need some.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Help, habints. Oh yeah, okay, So how do you know
it's not the devil?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Because I have I'm going to brag about myself. I
have phenomenal discernment, so I can feel negative dark energy,
and then I can also feel light energy.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And then you set up like this, fuck off boundaries.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Absolutely, how do you do that by exactly that, use
your words, use your voice, project your energy, that you
are not somebody that can be messed with, that you
are not somebody that tolerates darkness around you at all.
And you do that a few times word gets out energetically,
so to speak, and so low vibrational, darker negative energy
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knows it can't mess with you, it can't bother you.
So when I approach it, when I do feel it
more in the real world, very few times in sessions
with clients will I feel negative energy because I just
have such firm boundaries with spirit. When I feel it
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in the real world, I then go into my you know,
shoring up my energy boundaries, making sure I'm safe and protected,
and then I just can go about my business. But
I can feel it in my body. I have this
very specific tell in my chest and it almost feels
like right over my heart center a pressure and a
flood of anxiety. But it doesn't fill my whole body.
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It's just at my heart. It's a very specific feeling
and it only flares up in my body when there's
negative energy around.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I have so many questions.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So do you want me to answer about going to
getting the training from.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It? No? I do want to know training, But they
want to know about like the first time you really
interacted with a dead person, A whole one, clear, a
clear one.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I got it so funny, it's gonna I mean I did.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I mean, I was a little girl.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So the very first, the very first.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Man soul I saw was an old man, and I
still to this day I don't know who he is.
And I've also backed off on trying to f figure
out who he was or is, because that I don't
think the point of me meeting him was to figure
out who he was. It was to kickstart these abilities.
It was to just go.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You can see things like this, this is you, you
can do this.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he just served as like as the visual kind
of presence of you've got this gift, you've got this ability.
Four years old, good luck.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So I saw four.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But my childhood was filled with so many scary, ghosty
experiences that I was so afraid of even the happy,
friendly beings that were in the light. I didn't want anybody.
I didn't want to know or feel any of them.
And so I could see them and I could feel them,
and a lot of them did scare me. I didn't
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as a child like sit down and go, oh, okay,
old man, like I want to talk to you, I
want to have a conversation with you, because I was
very scared, very very scared, because I had a lot
of spooky things happened to me.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Parents were along for the ride, like they were aware
this was happening.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So our house growing up was known as the haunted
house in the neighborhood. So everybody that visited, not everybody,
most people that visited could feel the presence in the house.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And I've lived in a handful of houses since then,
and as a child, we moved two more times. And
so when the first time we moved out of my
house that I grew up in California, we were like,
as a family, Okay, good, we're done dealing with ghosts.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
That was not the case. So it wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It was that ghosts are everywhere, and you just have
a sensitive person in the family. And by the way,
everyone in my family is very sensitive to spirit. I'm
the only one that does this work professionally, but everybody
has a varying.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Degree of this gift.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And I don't think it's unique to me or my family.
We all have intuition and that is the root of
this gift in me. I just was born with a
closer relationship to it from the beginning of my life.
It's not like I had to develop trust and connection
to my intuition.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was already there.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But we all have it, So everybody has the ability
to do what I do.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So will you like sit down in like a therapist
chair and then have like a ghost in the other
chair and have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Do I do that now like in a movie? No? No,
I don't really, So.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I have such strong boundaries with the other side because
the majority of my life was this gift unbridled. So
I was overwhelmed by it for so long, and I
shut it down for so long, and it manifested.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
As anxiety and me.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I learned how to have such strict boundaries with spirits,
so I don't really acknowledge all the dead people in
a space and I'm working because just like word gets
out with the negative energies, once you say fuck off,
you can't bother me, and word gets out, word gets
out for the beings in the light that are like, oh,
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she can see us, She'll give them a message, So
you have to have boundaries with them too, otherwise they
won't leave you alone.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And girls gotta get paid, Yeah so I.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And also I want to try to have a normal life.
So I can't go out with my friends. I can't
spend time with my family at a restaurant if I
don't have boundaries, because souls are everywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So this is something you can get trained in. Yeah, absolutely,
in a training program.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yes, So I took mid to late It was probably
late around late twenties, after years and years of being
in the criminal justice field as a victim advocate, a
crisis responder, so and.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Victim advocate is like, what are job duties for? So?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I work as an advocate. You go to court with
them all the time, you explain everything, you provide them
with resources and the full range of victims, so full range. Yeah,
So I was around the worst. I mean, and as
a crisis responder, separate from the job a victim advocate.
This was a voluntary position. I'd get called out twenty
four to seven if it was my shift.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
What's the worst scene you've arrived to?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Probably one of the most the saddest things I saw
that broke my heart was on my own. I witnessed
a guy get hit in an unmarkedross. He's jaywalking, this
old man, old old man. I was a victim advocate
at the time, worked for their you know, as a
crisis responder. And it was middle of the night, and
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I heard screeching tires and I heard the impact, and
I knew my apartment was right out, you know, the
street was right there. I knew that somebody got hit
by a car. And it was less about the sound
that I heard and more about the intuitive knowing in
my body, Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
This was a body that hit a car, like the.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Car slammed in the body. And I frequently am in
the wrong place, wrong time, or I always think of
it as the right place, right time, because I can.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Jump into action.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I was.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I immediately ran outside in my pajamas and sat with
this with this guy, and I could tell he had
a pretty thick leather jacket, but I could tell his
his body was all disconnected, like his arms were not
where the arms should be, so like they were very loose,
and you know, so I knew that he had some.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Like dislocation. He was crushed and his shoes were he
had his shoes off.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
He was slowly dying, so he was he essentially died
in front of me. And I was like, you're gonna
you're this is okay, You're you're gonna be okay. You
can relax now you're safe or not. I'm not going
to leave you. My boyfriend at the time was like,
get out of the street, and I was like, I'm
not leaving this man to die by himself in the
middle of the road.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And it was dark, and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
D whispered, don't worry. We're going to say friends.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, I know he visits me. Yeah, he visits me.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Because you were the last person and I watched I
feel like I not feel I know that his breathing stopped.
As soon as he got taken into the back of
the ambulance. His breathing was even more labored and slow,
and I was like, oh, he left, He just left
his body?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Could he? Is it something you can actually see?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Some people can see it. You can see it, you
can feel it, you can feel it. You didn't absolutely
feel it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you remember coming to my house for the reading?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I don't remember. I remember a lot of women were there.
I don't remember how many readings we did.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Tell me so fucking vividly tell me, and.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I thought, okay, I'm going to be open to this,
but I highly doubt that this is true, right, I
didn't believe. So it was six or seven of my
friends and we were all sitting around the couch and
offered you whine and you said no. Even though most
of us were drinking. We were probably like one or
two glasses in, so a good giggle was on. You
said no, you didn't want to get distracted, and so
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we all sat on the brown leather couches and you
sat on the ottoman the fireplace behind you, and you
set a timer on your phone so you wouldn't go
too long. Yes, And I could feel like you had
kind of this brewing anxiety. And you didn't know anyone there.
I hadn't told you any of their stories. And there
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was one girl there whose brother had just died weeks before,
and it was shocking to everyone. So you were sitting
there and granted all of us had dead people in
our lives that could have been there, but you looked
up straight into her eyes. And I won't say names
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or anything. You looked up straight into her eyes, and
you said, is it okay if I talk to you?
Because he's been pressuring me. He's handsome, and I feel
kind of bashful, bashful, and you were flushed. Yes, And
he was very cute.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The cute boys and spirit always make me blush, as
if there's a cute boy in front of me in
real life, and they will tell me, like, look at me,
like I was cute, tell them, tell them how cute
I am. And it's partly just to validate that we
have this like adorable, charming, flirtatious guy here, but it's
also showing their personality like they would.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He would want me.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
To say and acknowledge how cute he is so and
you won't.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I won't get into details. But you knew how he died,
you knew his message, and there was no fucking way
in the world you could have known that. Yeah, and
she on the receiving end, was as skeptical as I
was and burst into tears.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So glad that she was there. I'm so glad that
she was open enough. You don't have to have any expectation,
just be open to it, and if something comes through, great,
and if something doesn't, it's just not the right time.
It doesn't mean that your people aren't with you. So
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm glad. I have a vague memory of that now,
and I do.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Remember one thing you said was you can't go that often,
Like you can't see people that often, like you have
to give a space between when people see their dead
family members.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So, if I have clients that want to come for
a reading, even once a month, sometimes I will get
an intuitive feeling this is delaying them processing the grief.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I think it's incredible. I mean, you're turning away money
and clients.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Listen to your body. That's the biggest message that I
embed in every session that I have with people, no
matter what I'm providing, is getting back in step with
your intuition. So let your body tell you when you
need another.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And listening to your intuition exactly right, which exactly, it's
so fucking important.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
So important.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
right back. One thing I love about you is that
when I work with firemen and police and just basically
anyone who's endured horrific trauma and someone has died, you
offer them closure. Yeah, in this way that I can't.
(20:30):
We talked about it a bit before, but it's this,
it's a multi modality trauma focus, right, So how do
you handle how do you handle Like, let's say I
refer someone to you and they have had they've seen
horrific traumas, and then they walk into your office. I
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don't tell you anything about them. What do you do
with the level of their trauma that they've endured?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
For the most part, have no plan for any session.
I learned super early on with this when as soon
as I accepted this gift in me, I had to
get out of the way it isn't up to me
how the flow of a session goes. If that's people
don't come to me to hear me. They come to
me because of the messages coming through from their loved ones,
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or from their spirit guides, or from their own higher self,
which is their intuition that I can tap into and
help them with. But they're not coming because they want
Lisa's advice. They're coming because they want the spiritual awareness,
the spiritual meaning, that kind of guidance or advice. So
if most people I see have a shit ton of trauma, yeah,
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I have a ton of you know, there's a ton
of first responder clients that have their own personal trauma,
but then on the job shit that they're exposed to.
I can definitely feel it, and a lot of times
it's it does incredible amounts of healing to just have
the person hear me say ooh, I can feel what's
in your body. I can feel that, and I can
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I get a quick flash of what somebody has endured.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Can you give me, you know, ethically, can you give
me a specific example.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, I have a client she has passed away. It
was actually a very hard thing that I had to
deal with because I have had clients die, which is
a trip because then they come out back and visit you,
and you're like, this is so, this is so strange,
Like I channeled and all of your dead people for you,
and now you're the dead person. You're you're coming through
to say hi to me.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's wild?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Are They like like cool? Now I can do this
easier there.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
They know how to communicate with me because they know me.
I've had I've had, Yeah, I've lost. In the last
four years, three clients have died.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, they've come back to message you and well.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
One of them, well, it's it's quite amazing. Both of
the clients that I've lost, their family members are established
clients with me. So it's very interesting how we're all
in this together. So like, so, I'll tell you the
story about this one woman. She was an expert trauma therapist.
She was a remarkable human being, and she worked with me.
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I'm also hypnotherapists. I don't practice that as much these days,
but I'm trained hypnotherapy and I use the same skills
for past life for aggression, which we can talk about if
you're interested in. At some point she came to me
to well, We did a lot of mediumship sessions together,
and then she wanted to do hypnotherapy with me to
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She had already healed tremendous amounts of her own trauma,
but there were a few things that she was intuitively
feeling I might be able to help her with with
my kind of spiritual spin on my intuitive spin on
healing trauma. She was like, can we do hypnotherapy?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And I was hypnotherapy sure to listeners, because most people
think it's like I'm going to f you on the
forehead and you're gonna pass out and then wake up
as a dog. Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, So hypnotherapy is essentially guided I define it is
guided meditation to kind of go into the mind, to
go to the root cause of whatever the trauma is.
So the first time that you felt that you didn't
have a voice, the first time you felt that you
didn't have control over the situation, the first time you
felt fear and panic, we don't mess around with the
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I think it's this, and I wonder if it's this. No,
we relax you. It feels like a guided meditation through
a series of visualizations and muscle relaxing techniques. It kind
of gets you to this really calm, relaxed place where
your conscious brain chills out enough so that it's not
on guard, ready to be defensive or in denial of
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what you've gone through. It relaxes you enough to get
into the subconscious part of the brain where all the
shit is stored.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'd be a horrible fucking client. Can I do it drunk? No? Oh,
because that I think it'd be better.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, well maybe yeah, uh off the record, sure, on
the record.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Actually make people sign. I well, especially for past life progression.
I make people sign. Part of the my waiver is
that they're not going to be under the influence. Number one,
I'm not going to manage your shit. We were doing enough.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's energetically because I can feel. I'm an EmPATH, I
can feel everything. So if all, if I have to
deal with your dead people, your higher self, the messages,
the guidance that's coming through for you, and you're under
the influence, No, it's too many.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Obstacles for me.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Too muddled.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, way too muddled, way too muddled.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So I make people agree, and if I sense it
at all, there, we don't proceed. Yeah, we don't proceed.
And that's that hasn't happened. So anyway, she.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So, your client who died, who came back to you?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
She no, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I don't think I'll meet another person who had as
much trauma as she went through. Oh wow, horrifically? Can
we we're free to talk about anything obvious? Okay, horrific
sexual abuse? It is called intentionally disturbing. I should have
known she had endured horrific sexual abuse by her parents?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Like what makes it horrifictly?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Mom would chase her and hold her down? Why her
dad oh, had sex with her, raped her and her siblings?
Mom would hold her down? Why dad would beat the
shit out of her?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
She would be.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Chained to things, locked indoor cabinets or small spaces, locked
in the basement.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's so interesting because the Madeline Soda case is in
the news. Are you familiar with that case? So she
was abused by she was sexually assaulted by her mom's boyfriend,
and then he ended up well we think he's going
to go to trial, but strangling and killing her, and
people are all really shocked that mom would have let
it happen.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
It's few things affect me emotionally more than that. Yeah,
same more because it defies the law of nature. Yeah,
the bond, the maternal nurturing protector. Something is deeply wrong
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with a female not letting men off the hook here,
but something is deeply wrong with the female that allows
that to happen to her young Yeah, to her baby.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So can you say a little more about that, because
I have found it challenging to explain what is deeply
wrong with the female, And in my mind I go
to maybe it's autism, Maybe it's Stockholm syndrome. Maybe she's
a sexual predator herself. Yeah, that's very like psychology, clinical shit.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Well, that's true, and energetically, I would say, whether so
they have a soul? Everyone has a soul? Well, I
don't know that everyone has a soul?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Oh, okay, bookmark.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well I think and I would say for the most part,
everybody has a soul. But we have a choice. We
have a choice of going I am not going to
live that way. I am not going to be that way.
I am going to choose to tap into my inner
light because we're all born with our with that soul.
We're born with that inner light, and it really is
up to us to keep that light shining.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
How do you juxtapose that with Christian beliefs?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
So I think that was part of my journey. I
spent many years very angry at the Christian Church, and
really I am in a much i would say, healthier
place with it. I don't blame the sort of big
business of religion. I hold the two pastors specifically that
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told me that I was dealing with the devil, that
it was, that I must have not meant it when
I was baptized, that I must not be prient. I
hold them more personally personally responsible than the church itself.
But my experience with church and now no longer not
participating in church, is that I believe in God in
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such a more expansive way. Now, I think a lot
of religion actually limits God, limits your personal experience with God.
And I believe in God like that's never left me.
I absolutely believe in God. I don't believe in God
is this like Dad in the sky, Like a lot
of religion sort of plays that up. I don't believe
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that he's this like father figure in the clouds.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I view God as just an energy source of love,
pure love, and so I am very thankful that I've
evolved kind of out of that because it felt very
limiting and so breaking away. I see God in every
client that I work with. I see God in every
sign that I get from my loved ones on the
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other side. That to me is proof that God exists,
because only an all powerful source of love would allow
or build into the lived experience that we get to
always communicate with those that we've loved and connected with.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That is God.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And so I think the church itself, and I'm not
knocking religion is important for a lot of people. I'm
not knocking it. But I found God to be much
more connected to me, and I could find God in
all of these details in my life that I couldn't
necessarily feel or see when I was connected to the church, and.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Going back to I want to do you a justice
here the training, So.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I sought it out.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just in the throes of my career and all
the death and just spickness that I was surrounded by,
and all the dead people were like I felt like
they were kind of closing in where I could no
longer pretend that they that I couldn't do this, and.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So I just googled, like.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Psychic development Spiritual Development or County, and I found literally
that's what I did, and I was like the first
one that popped up. I was like, I'm gonna go.
I'll just see it. And the moment I sat down
and she started talking, I was like, Oh, I'm home. Yeah,
I'm not alone, I'm not crazy. I'm in a room
full of people that are exactly like me. I've never
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felt that before. And so she had a professional psychic,
professional mediumship, professional healer program, and so I did all
these you know, trainings and classes and practice. So she
would host psychic fairs and so put our skills to
the test. So we had to see like fifteen people
and go, go, go, and interesting train And I'm grateful
for that because I also I am sort of this
(31:38):
weird mix of I am a very black and white thinker.
I'm a very much like our first responder of friends,
like the evidence is either there or it's not. It
either exists or it doesn't. So that was kind of
a mind fuck for me to that's part of my
own personal side. But merged that with my abilities to
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talk to people that no one else can see. That
doesn't align with a black and white brain. So I
very grateful for that sort of formal education of doing
this work because I got the the sort of like
the study and the practice. I'm also a urgirl. I'm
an earth science so I like to like it needs to.
I want the validation, i want the credentials, I want
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the I want it to be professional. And now I'm
more like, let's just have fun with it. I get
to be me and what I do for a living.
So but I'm very grateful. So I took classes there
for years and then worked there for a little bit,
helped run the psychic fairs and sort of was the
advanced student that got to help lead smaller groups of
newer students. And I still have a connection to my mentor,
(32:44):
but she doesn't teach. She doesn't teach anymore. It's kind
of sad.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So so okay, So we work with cops environment they're
so skeptical of your ability.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They're my favorite clients.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Probably like all millions of people listening. I have hope
millions of people are listening. What do you say to
the skeptics? Like my dad, I told him I was
gonna talk with you today. He was like, it's bullshit.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, that's fine, you know what's wonderful about being alive
in this body, in this timeline is that we are
allowed to believe whatever we want to believe.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It's okay that people don't believe in what I do.
I had this response from a former partner of mine
when I worked at the police department. I had to
tell him that I was a medium because I was
visited by a dead guy that I knew was attached
to a case at the department.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I didn't really know anything ooh, cold case prior to.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
That, and so I told this guy, this is gonna
sound crazy. I absolutely know it. I can see dead people,
I can talk to dead people. It's this gift I
was born with. Here it is, and his response changed
my life. So this is how I handle skeptics. Said
to me, well, I don't believe that, but I believe you.
(34:06):
And that shifted everything for me, and I thought, oh,
I don't have to prove it to anybody. Yeah, I
am a trustworthy person. I am a reliable person, and
if people know me, they might not believe in this,
but they believe me, and they know me enough to
know that I'm not going to bullshit anybody. And I'm
super honest in my sessions. If people ask me questions
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and there's no answer, I go, they have nothing to say,
there's no answer.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't fake it. I don't try to force it
on anybody. So sort of to.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
The skeptics, be skeptical. Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You should never believe something just because someone tells you
to believe it, right, no way.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, I mean I was so skeptical of you, right,
like when we when did we meet? Five years? I
don't think so? So many years ago?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, five or six years ago?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, hold on, you've got psychologists, psychiatrist, nurse, I don't
know all these initials. Medium. Yeah, And I was like
I can't I can't put my name to this, Like
I can't wait is this I can't testify to this.
I'm to be in court and lawyer is gonna be
like way you work, you're.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
On staff with a medium, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
But it was it was getting to know you and
believing your consistent character, yeah, and trusting you. So how
do you stay happy?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So really good?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
You know, it's so funny this year I turned forty
earlier this year, and I don't know if it's just
age or I don't know what's I never have stopped
to realize that what I do is really heavy. It
sounds so stupid that, like, how un selfware are you?
I'm very self aware, but I just have never paused
long enough.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
To go, fuck. Yeah, All you do is.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I've banked the feeling in my psychic diction, my psychic
reference guide, so to speak. So now anytime there's a
car accident or severed neck, I just get a quick
feeling in my neck, and I know exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I've banked it in my mind. Yeah, but I only
just realized how heavy the work is.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Exactly I'm telling you. It sounds ridiculous. I just think
it's I don't bank it.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Where does it go?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It just stays in my.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's it's compartmentalized. You can access it when you want to,
but it doesn't bleed out.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I don't access it it will. It sort of stores.
I'm going to say, maybe in my in my energetic body.
It stores so that when I meet someone else who
has a loved one who died in a car accident
and had a severed neck, then they just go they
give me a quick feeling at the back of the neck,
and I know what it is. I know what stabbing
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feels like. I know what a heart attack feels like.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know what stroke feel like. I know what lung cancer.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Feels like, paralysis feels like. So how do I stay happy?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
How do you say happy? But also I'm so curious
about the cold case thing that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
One of my dreams, one of my visions, is that,
specifically in this county, that I get to be a
part of a case that they use me like officially,
not this back channel, because but I understand the stigma too.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's nuts.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I completely get it, completely understand the stigma. But because
I live here and I have roots here, I would
love to see the openness kind of grow. They use
psychics all the time on the East Coast. It's like
a non issue. It's a non issue. Yeah, And so
I'd love to bring some of that openness here.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Can I ask you a personal question? Yeah, not that
this hasn't been entirely personal. How's your dating life? Crickets?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So I'm single.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's hard. It's hard to date because well multi layered.
But I am fully aware that what I do is
not widely received. Well, I'm also aware that it takes
a really confident male to say, hey, this chick i'm
seeing talks to dead people, because then he runs the
risk of getting made fun of or teased or mocked.
(38:25):
So it takes really strong, confident people. And also I
am I can feel living people's energy as well too,
So if something is off in the relationship, I can't
I am. I am uncomfortable, I can't be myself. I
can't let my guard down. So I will bring things up,
(38:46):
and not in a mean way. I'm not like calling
people out like change I can feel this or stop
behaving that way. No, it's a very loving exchange. But
a lot of people don't want to be seen and
felt fully.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
That's what I was gonna say is a lot of
people don't want to be seen as how they really are.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And the sad thing is, well they're missing out. No
to my own horn, But the truth is I I
have tremendous I am an impath, but I have tremendous
empathy for people. I don't care the life that you
lived before you started to date me, Like, I don't
care what what are you working on?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
What lights you up? What are you doing to heal
your shit? That is is you're doing something good.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But that's the other end of the spectrum when you
know most people spend their whole life trying to get
to that point. Yeah. Yeah, showing up at forty as
a transparent, authentic woman is almost unheard of in this world.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It's hard, it's and it's hard to I mean, I
don't it's so funny. I worry about a lot of
things in my life, and that area of my life
I just don't worry about, which tells me that, like
God hasn't taken care of I don't stress out about it.
I also don't like to force anything to fit. So
if it's not you know, a yes throughout my entire
being that I want to be with somebody, I'm not
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going to fake it and force it. It's just not
it's not authentic. It's not good for me, it's not
good for the other person. So I am much happier
holding out for and trusting that the universe is gonna
sort of, you know, make that happen for me at
the right time. Then I am willing to bend and
force it to work with somebody that's not meant for.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Would you force an orgasm because that's like a different layer. No, really,
you wouldn't even pretend.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
No, oh shoot, no.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm sorry. It's time for a commercial. Okay, I have
to ask this thing now. I said I wouldn't. Who's
here now.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm not looking to do like a total reading. But
there is a younger male energy that is present.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Who is cute.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So remember we talked about like they like to show
up and tell me how.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Cute they were.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's a little bit of the They like the spotlight,
they like the attention. But I would say that he
would have passed away. There's some sort my heart is
racing giving you this information, some sort of unexpected nature
surrounding his death. So whether he died suddenly or he
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was sick and died before we sort of expected it,
there is that kind of But he's very lively. He
has a very beautiful personality. He's fun, he's a great laugh.
I feel like I hear him singing.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Nothing comes to.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
There's also an older there's an older male and an
older female, and they feel to me like grandparents, So
like if you have a grandmother on the other side
and or a grandfather on the other side, because I
feel like, well, do you have a grandmother on the
other side.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I never metter, but a grandfather who passed away
last year.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Okay, okay, there is this overwhelming love for you and
also this I don't this, I'll just say it permission
to have all the spectrum of feelings surrounding who he
was when he was at so all the good things
and all the not so good things like there are
(42:03):
there's this message to you of you don't have to
pretend like I always contributed good stuff to the family,
Like I also contributed to some of the dysfunction, some
of the shit in the family, And it's okay to
be real about that. He owns that, he takes accountability
and responsibility for that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
What's really interesting is since he died, my family has
fallen apart. Wow yeah, wow, Like he was. Oh it's fine,
I'm coold and callous and brint out, but he was
the reason we all got together for holidays. Yeah, since
he died that there hasn't been one. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
It's harder because it adds to the it adds to
the experience of loss because the tradition then is also lost.
But do you understand that when he says I also
contributed to some of the like, Okay, okay, because he's
like saying, be real about who I was. Yeah, so
it's interesting that you said the family's kind of fallen apart.
(43:04):
I'm going to just say this and be direct. He goes,
it wasn't really.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That intact it was.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Okay, is that that's not I don't want to be offensive,
m Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
It was a false intactness. And I think it's so
important for so many people to know because every family
is so fucked up and what we see is never
what it is really what's happening behind the scenes, and
it's heartbreaking when clients.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Realize the shattering I call it, yeah, the fall from grace.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's heartbreaking. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
And so he's I think too that he has this
message for you of like, except that I was kind
of an asshole, maybe didn't hold himself to like such
high moral standards always. But he also had a lot
of love, had a lot of happiness, and had a
good sense of humor, and so that fueled a lot
(43:58):
of togetherness. Yes, but at the core of the family unit,
there's a lot of half in, half out, take it
or leave it, Yeah, kind of energy that makes sense
to you.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Oh, total dysfunction. Okay, then okay, yeah, I don't want
anything to do with a nikey.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Well so he but I'm gonna tell you this. The
positive message that he has is you get to just
in your own line of work, but also you know
how to help people heal. So I'll just be direct
and tell you this. He says, do that for yourself.
Do that for yourself. Do that for yourself. So that
(44:39):
you made a joke like I'm disconnected, I don't have feelings,
I'm numb.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, that's a joke, but that's very true.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
And he says, don't live like that.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, don't live like that because you're only getting well,
you're getting a false sense of what your life actually is.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
And even if you have to go into the heavy,
icky feeling, the truth of the dysfunction my family good,
You're going to face it, and then you never when
you face it in the future, it's never going to
be that intense. It's never going to be that dark.
As soon as you shine the smallest bit of light
through something that's dark, you can no longer say that
it's all dark.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
And so he's encouraging you the same passion that you
have had all of these years to help other people.
Why the hell aren't you taking that seriously within yourself,
Because I'm not paying myself and there's the connection to
the dssumption.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Lisa, thank you for being here, and thank you to
everyone for listening or watching intentionally disturbing. I hope this
opens your mind a little bit to other forms of
therapy and other forms of ways to treat trauma, and
just different ways to look at the world. Tune in
next time, Allay, You're here.
You're here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is doctor Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing.
Today my guest is Lisa Mercer. Lisa sees dead people.
She identifies as a medium and as a psychologist. I've
always been very skeptical and we hashed this out, but
at the end of the day, I believe her, and
I believe that while we were talking, dead people were
(00:34):
in the room and they were talking to me, and
I think my grandfather was there. I hope you enjoy
this episode and maybe not criticize or judge so quickly
things you are not familiar with. Okay, you're here. I'm
doctor Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing. I would like
(00:57):
you to meet my friend who sees dead people, Lisa Mercer.
Now this is not how she would define herself, so
I'm going to bring her right in and let her
define herself. Lisa, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I talked to do and thank you for being here,
thank you for having me, And we go kind of
not far back, but we go back enough. I am
a medium. I am a psychic medium. I see and
talk to and feel dead people for a living.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Feel yes, feel oh like emotionally.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I can feel emotions from them.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I can also feel physically an ailment and acre pain
that they dealt with in life, and oftentimes they will
let me know through feeling how they died.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
That's fucking crazy, Yes it is, okay, So as a psychologist, right,
it was hard for me to believe. Yes, and now
I like really believe it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
What changed your mind seeing you in action?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah? Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, so I'm not I'm never in the business of
convincing people that I do is real. My kind of
philosophy is people find me. If you're curious, if you
are in grief and you need kind of an extra
different modality on how to help you heal, come find me.
But I'm not. I don't care if people believe or
don't believe, and so I just kind of do my thing.
(02:18):
And I'm always I get such a kick out of
people like you who are like, Nope, this is not
a thing, this is a bit crazy. But I'm open
enough to just see ye and then have the experience.
So I didn't know that you were like a complete
non believer, though I'm glad I didn't know that ahead
of time.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm raised atheist. Oh okay, like evangelistic atheists, like we
were kicked out of people's homes because my father would
not shut the fuck up about religion. Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, And I grew up Christian, going to Sunday school
every week, even went to a Christian college. That's so interesting,
so opposite, so opposite. And now you so what do you?
Can I ask you a question. I'm like on your
podcast asking questions, how is that changed the experience with me?
And by the way, I'm just the mouthpiece for spirit
(03:05):
spirit meeting anybody on the other side. It's not me
creating magic. I'm just their vocal cords. I'm just putting
words behind their messages. So I don't mean to sound
like when you had your experience with me, it's not
mea has did that change your perspective of God or
a higher power or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I wouldn't say a higher power God, but it changed
my perspective of the presence of spirits in my daily
life and it gave me more hope. Wow, it really was.
And that's exactly why I wanted to have you on today.
Thank you, because I want the world to see that.
Can you talk to me a little bit about how
(03:49):
you train for this sure like, how how to maybe
a non believer? Yeah, so you were a kid when
this started, and then you kind of got into the
training of becoming a medium can take us down the sure.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I just like little backstory my first memory of
seeing a dead person and knowing that I had an ability,
I had a gift that not many people around me had.
I was four, So this has been with me practically
my whole life. But for the majority of my life
because I was my family was very religious, I pretended
(04:30):
acted like it wasn't inside of me. It wasn't a
part of me because this is absolutely not in agreement
with the values of the Christian Church. We can pick
that apart all we want, because that's part of my
kind of self acceptance, my journey. It wasn't until I
was in my twenties, mid to late twenties I forget
(04:52):
I was either a victim advocate, so I was a
vict madvigate for a handful of years. Then I worked
at a police department as a civilian investigator. And it
was either right as I was winding down my victim
advocate career starting at the police department, or I was
already at the police department. I can't remember specific time period,
but the dead people were just showing up for me
(05:13):
all day, every day.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, you have to break that down what that actually
looks like?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like, uh, what does it mean?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So like you're you're so I'm talking to people who.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And is there like a yeah all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
It's just like, Hi, I know, we know you can
see us. Hi, we know you can hear the best.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They're everywhere, They're everywhere?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Are they Are they here now?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
They're here now of course.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So it's just I had to learn.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
This is why I had to get trained for this,
because I spent most of my life suppressing these gifts,
which we know the more you suppress your innate talents
and your abilities, the more anxiety you have because you're
not living your truth.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And so I was existing in this super anxious written
body for most of my life thinking that I ate
a true psychological disorder schizophrenia exactly. And well, I didn't
think that I knew everything was real. I didn't doubt
that I could see things and feel things, and not
just with dead people. I'm really intuitive, so I can
(06:14):
meet a living person and know within seconds if I
want to be around them or not.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh so, and that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Started at four also, so I believed, I knew that
I had these gifts, but I was terrified of them
because of how I was raised, because of the religious doctrine.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So for somebody who doesn't understand Christianity, like why is
it so bad?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So it's there are there's a Bible verse that says,
you know, do not consult psychics or mediums. There's a
lot of scripture about because it's seen as you're going
to a false prophet, you're going to They they don't
believe that spirit can communicate dead loved ones can communicate
with humans.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
They believe in the Holy Spirit, which is God, but.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
They don't believe that souls can communicate with humans after
they die, which to me is I just it's not true.
But they also believe that the devil is the great deceiver,
and so that the devil will make you think that
you're actually talking to your grandma, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's the devil.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And so there's a lot of you know, trickery and deceit,
and you shouldn't do that. You're tapping into dark energy,
you're tapping into the devil. So I was told twice
as a little girl, genuinely going to a middle school
youth pastor and a high school youth pastor, like, hey,
every time I walk into a room, all the lights flicker,
or every time I'm downstairs, like the cabinets in the
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kitchen start opening and closing, Like I need some.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Help, habints. Oh yeah, okay, So how do you know
it's not the devil?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Because I have I'm going to brag about myself. I
have phenomenal discernment, so I can feel negative dark energy,
and then I can also feel light energy.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And then you set up like this, fuck off boundaries.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Absolutely, how do you do that by exactly that, use
your words, use your voice, project your energy, that you
are not somebody that can be messed with, that you
are not somebody that tolerates darkness around you at all.
And you do that a few times word gets out energetically,
so to speak, and so low vibrational, darker negative energy
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knows it can't mess with you, it can't bother you.
So when I approach it, when I do feel it
more in the real world, very few times in sessions
with clients will I feel negative energy because I just
have such firm boundaries with spirit. When I feel it
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in the real world, I then go into my you know,
shoring up my energy boundaries, making sure I'm safe and protected,
and then I just can go about my business. But
I can feel it in my body. I have this
very specific tell in my chest and it almost feels
like right over my heart center a pressure and a
flood of anxiety. But it doesn't fill my whole body.
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It's just at my heart. It's a very specific feeling
and it only flares up in my body when there's
negative energy around.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I have so many questions.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So do you want me to answer about going to
getting the training from.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It? No? I do want to know training, But they
want to know about like the first time you really
interacted with a dead person, A whole one, clear, a
clear one.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I got it so funny, it's gonna I mean I did.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I mean, I was a little girl.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So the very first, the very first.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Man soul I saw was an old man, and I
still to this day I don't know who he is.
And I've also backed off on trying to f figure
out who he was or is, because that I don't
think the point of me meeting him was to figure
out who he was. It was to kickstart these abilities.
It was to just go.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You can see things like this, this is you, you
can do this.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he just served as like as the visual kind
of presence of you've got this gift, you've got this ability.
Four years old, good luck.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So I saw four.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But my childhood was filled with so many scary, ghosty
experiences that I was so afraid of even the happy,
friendly beings that were in the light. I didn't want anybody.
I didn't want to know or feel any of them.
And so I could see them and I could feel them,
and a lot of them did scare me. I didn't
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as a child like sit down and go, oh, okay,
old man, like I want to talk to you, I
want to have a conversation with you, because I was
very scared, very very scared, because I had a lot
of spooky things happened to me.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Parents were along for the ride, like they were aware
this was happening.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So our house growing up was known as the haunted
house in the neighborhood. So everybody that visited, not everybody,
most people that visited could feel the presence in the house.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And I've lived in a handful of houses since then,
and as a child, we moved two more times. And
so when the first time we moved out of my
house that I grew up in California, we were like,
as a family, Okay, good, we're done dealing with ghosts.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
That was not the case. So it wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It was that ghosts are everywhere, and you just have
a sensitive person in the family. And by the way,
everyone in my family is very sensitive to spirit. I'm
the only one that does this work professionally, but everybody
has a varying.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Degree of this gift.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And I don't think it's unique to me or my family.
We all have intuition and that is the root of
this gift in me. I just was born with a
closer relationship to it from the beginning of my life.
It's not like I had to develop trust and connection
to my intuition.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was already there.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But we all have it, So everybody has the ability
to do what I do.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So will you like sit down in like a therapist
chair and then have like a ghost in the other
chair and have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Do I do that now like in a movie? No? No,
I don't really, So.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I have such strong boundaries with the other side because
the majority of my life was this gift unbridled. So
I was overwhelmed by it for so long, and I
shut it down for so long, and it manifested.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
As anxiety and me.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I learned how to have such strict boundaries with spirits,
so I don't really acknowledge all the dead people in
a space and I'm working because just like word gets
out with the negative energies, once you say fuck off,
you can't bother me, and word gets out, word gets
out for the beings in the light that are like, oh,
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she can see us, She'll give them a message, So
you have to have boundaries with them too, otherwise they
won't leave you alone.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And girls gotta get paid, Yeah so I.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And also I want to try to have a normal life.
So I can't go out with my friends. I can't
spend time with my family at a restaurant if I
don't have boundaries, because souls are everywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So this is something you can get trained in. Yeah, absolutely,
in a training program.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yes, So I took mid to late It was probably
late around late twenties, after years and years of being
in the criminal justice field as a victim advocate, a
crisis responder, so and.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Victim advocate is like, what are job duties for? So?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I work as an advocate. You go to court with
them all the time, you explain everything, you provide them
with resources and the full range of victims, so full range. Yeah,
So I was around the worst. I mean, and as
a crisis responder, separate from the job a victim advocate.
This was a voluntary position. I'd get called out twenty
four to seven if it was my shift.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
What's the worst scene you've arrived to?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Probably one of the most the saddest things I saw
that broke my heart was on my own. I witnessed
a guy get hit in an unmarkedross. He's jaywalking, this
old man, old old man. I was a victim advocate
at the time, worked for their you know, as a
crisis responder. And it was middle of the night, and
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I heard screeching tires and I heard the impact, and
I knew my apartment was right out, you know, the
street was right there. I knew that somebody got hit
by a car. And it was less about the sound
that I heard and more about the intuitive knowing in
my body, Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
This was a body that hit a car, like the.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Car slammed in the body. And I frequently am in
the wrong place, wrong time, or I always think of
it as the right place, right time, because I can.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Jump into action.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I was.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I immediately ran outside in my pajamas and sat with
this with this guy, and I could tell he had
a pretty thick leather jacket, but I could tell his
his body was all disconnected, like his arms were not
where the arms should be, so like they were very loose,
and you know, so I knew that he had some.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Like dislocation. He was crushed and his shoes were he
had his shoes off.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
He was slowly dying, so he was he essentially died
in front of me. And I was like, you're gonna
you're this is okay, You're you're gonna be okay. You
can relax now you're safe or not. I'm not going
to leave you. My boyfriend at the time was like,
get out of the street, and I was like, I'm
not leaving this man to die by himself in the
middle of the road.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And it was dark, and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
D whispered, don't worry. We're going to say friends.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, I know he visits me. Yeah, he visits me.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Because you were the last person and I watched I
feel like I not feel I know that his breathing stopped.
As soon as he got taken into the back of
the ambulance. His breathing was even more labored and slow,
and I was like, oh, he left, He just left
his body?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Could he? Is it something you can actually see?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Some people can see it. You can see it, you
can feel it, you can feel it. You didn't absolutely
feel it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you remember coming to my house for the reading?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I don't remember. I remember a lot of women were there.
I don't remember how many readings we did.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Tell me so fucking vividly tell me, and.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I thought, okay, I'm going to be open to this,
but I highly doubt that this is true, right, I
didn't believe. So it was six or seven of my
friends and we were all sitting around the couch and
offered you whine and you said no. Even though most
of us were drinking. We were probably like one or
two glasses in, so a good giggle was on. You
said no, you didn't want to get distracted, and so
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we all sat on the brown leather couches and you
sat on the ottoman the fireplace behind you, and you
set a timer on your phone so you wouldn't go
too long. Yes, And I could feel like you had
kind of this brewing anxiety. And you didn't know anyone there.
I hadn't told you any of their stories. And there
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was one girl there whose brother had just died weeks before,
and it was shocking to everyone. So you were sitting
there and granted all of us had dead people in
our lives that could have been there, but you looked
up straight into her eyes. And I won't say names
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or anything. You looked up straight into her eyes, and
you said, is it okay if I talk to you?
Because he's been pressuring me. He's handsome, and I feel
kind of bashful, bashful, and you were flushed. Yes, And
he was very cute.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The cute boys and spirit always make me blush, as
if there's a cute boy in front of me in
real life, and they will tell me, like, look at me,
like I was cute, tell them, tell them how cute
I am. And it's partly just to validate that we
have this like adorable, charming, flirtatious guy here, but it's
also showing their personality like they would.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He would want me.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
To say and acknowledge how cute he is so and
you won't.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I won't get into details. But you knew how he died,
you knew his message, and there was no fucking way
in the world you could have known that. Yeah, and
she on the receiving end, was as skeptical as I
was and burst into tears.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So glad that she was there. I'm so glad that
she was open enough. You don't have to have any expectation,
just be open to it, and if something comes through, great,
and if something doesn't, it's just not the right time.
It doesn't mean that your people aren't with you. So
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm glad. I have a vague memory of that now,
and I do.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Remember one thing you said was you can't go that often,
Like you can't see people that often, like you have
to give a space between when people see their dead
family members.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So, if I have clients that want to come for
a reading, even once a month, sometimes I will get
an intuitive feeling this is delaying them processing the grief.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I think it's incredible. I mean, you're turning away money
and clients.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Listen to your body. That's the biggest message that I
embed in every session that I have with people, no
matter what I'm providing, is getting back in step with
your intuition. So let your body tell you when you
need another.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And listening to your intuition exactly right, which exactly, it's
so fucking important.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
So important.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
right back. One thing I love about you is that
when I work with firemen and police and just basically
anyone who's endured horrific trauma and someone has died, you
offer them closure. Yeah, in this way that I can't.
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We talked about it a bit before, but it's this,
it's a multi modality trauma focus, right, So how do
you handle how do you handle Like, let's say I
refer someone to you and they have had they've seen
horrific traumas, and then they walk into your office. I
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don't tell you anything about them. What do you do
with the level of their trauma that they've endured?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
For the most part, have no plan for any session.
I learned super early on with this when as soon
as I accepted this gift in me, I had to
get out of the way it isn't up to me
how the flow of a session goes. If that's people
don't come to me to hear me. They come to
me because of the messages coming through from their loved ones,
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or from their spirit guides, or from their own higher self,
which is their intuition that I can tap into and
help them with. But they're not coming because they want
Lisa's advice. They're coming because they want the spiritual awareness,
the spiritual meaning, that kind of guidance or advice. So
if most people I see have a shit ton of trauma, yeah,
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I have a ton of you know, there's a ton
of first responder clients that have their own personal trauma,
but then on the job shit that they're exposed to.
I can definitely feel it, and a lot of times
it's it does incredible amounts of healing to just have
the person hear me say ooh, I can feel what's
in your body. I can feel that, and I can
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I get a quick flash of what somebody has endured.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Can you give me, you know, ethically, can you give
me a specific example.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, I have a client she has passed away. It
was actually a very hard thing that I had to
deal with because I have had clients die, which is
a trip because then they come out back and visit you,
and you're like, this is so, this is so strange,
Like I channeled and all of your dead people for you,
and now you're the dead person. You're you're coming through
to say hi to me.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's wild?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Are They like like cool? Now I can do this
easier there.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
They know how to communicate with me because they know me.
I've had I've had, Yeah, I've lost. In the last
four years, three clients have died.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, they've come back to message you and well.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
One of them, well, it's it's quite amazing. Both of
the clients that I've lost, their family members are established
clients with me. So it's very interesting how we're all
in this together. So like, so, I'll tell you the
story about this one woman. She was an expert trauma therapist.
She was a remarkable human being, and she worked with me.
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I'm also hypnotherapists. I don't practice that as much these days,
but I'm trained hypnotherapy and I use the same skills
for past life for aggression, which we can talk about if
you're interested in. At some point she came to me
to well, We did a lot of mediumship sessions together,
and then she wanted to do hypnotherapy with me to
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She had already healed tremendous amounts of her own trauma,
but there were a few things that she was intuitively
feeling I might be able to help her with with
my kind of spiritual spin on my intuitive spin on
healing trauma. She was like, can we do hypnotherapy?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And I was hypnotherapy sure to listeners, because most people
think it's like I'm going to f you on the
forehead and you're gonna pass out and then wake up
as a dog. Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, So hypnotherapy is essentially guided I define it is
guided meditation to kind of go into the mind, to
go to the root cause of whatever the trauma is.
So the first time that you felt that you didn't
have a voice, the first time you felt that you
didn't have control over the situation, the first time you
felt fear and panic, we don't mess around with the
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I think it's this, and I wonder if it's this. No,
we relax you. It feels like a guided meditation through
a series of visualizations and muscle relaxing techniques. It kind
of gets you to this really calm, relaxed place where
your conscious brain chills out enough so that it's not
on guard, ready to be defensive or in denial of
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what you've gone through. It relaxes you enough to get
into the subconscious part of the brain where all the
shit is stored.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'd be a horrible fucking client. Can I do it drunk? No? Oh,
because that I think it'd be better.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, well maybe yeah, uh off the record, sure, on
the record.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Actually make people sign. I well, especially for past life progression.
I make people sign. Part of the my waiver is
that they're not going to be under the influence. Number one,
I'm not going to manage your shit. We were doing enough.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's energetically because I can feel. I'm an EmPATH, I
can feel everything. So if all, if I have to
deal with your dead people, your higher self, the messages,
the guidance that's coming through for you, and you're under
the influence, No, it's too many.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Obstacles for me.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Too muddled.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, way too muddled, way too muddled.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So I make people agree, and if I sense it
at all, there, we don't proceed. Yeah, we don't proceed.
And that's that hasn't happened. So anyway, she.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So, your client who died, who came back to you?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
She no, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I don't think I'll meet another person who had as
much trauma as she went through. Oh wow, horrifically? Can
we we're free to talk about anything obvious? Okay, horrific
sexual abuse? It is called intentionally disturbing. I should have
known she had endured horrific sexual abuse by her parents?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Like what makes it horrifictly?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Mom would chase her and hold her down? Why her
dad oh, had sex with her, raped her and her siblings?
Mom would hold her down? Why dad would beat the
shit out of her?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
She would be.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Chained to things, locked indoor cabinets or small spaces, locked
in the basement.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's so interesting because the Madeline Soda case is in
the news. Are you familiar with that case? So she
was abused by she was sexually assaulted by her mom's boyfriend,
and then he ended up well we think he's going
to go to trial, but strangling and killing her, and
people are all really shocked that mom would have let
it happen.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
It's few things affect me emotionally more than that. Yeah,
same more because it defies the law of nature. Yeah,
the bond, the maternal nurturing protector. Something is deeply wrong
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with a female not letting men off the hook here,
but something is deeply wrong with the female that allows
that to happen to her young Yeah, to her baby.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So can you say a little more about that, because
I have found it challenging to explain what is deeply
wrong with the female, And in my mind I go
to maybe it's autism, Maybe it's Stockholm syndrome. Maybe she's
a sexual predator herself. Yeah, that's very like psychology, clinical shit.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Well, that's true, and energetically, I would say, whether so
they have a soul? Everyone has a soul? Well, I
don't know that everyone has a soul?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Oh, okay, bookmark.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well I think and I would say for the most part,
everybody has a soul. But we have a choice. We
have a choice of going I am not going to
live that way. I am not going to be that way.
I am going to choose to tap into my inner
light because we're all born with our with that soul.
We're born with that inner light, and it really is
up to us to keep that light shining.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
How do you juxtapose that with Christian beliefs?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
So I think that was part of my journey. I
spent many years very angry at the Christian Church, and
really I am in a much i would say, healthier
place with it. I don't blame the sort of big
business of religion. I hold the two pastors specifically that
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told me that I was dealing with the devil, that
it was, that I must have not meant it when
I was baptized, that I must not be prient. I
hold them more personally personally responsible than the church itself.
But my experience with church and now no longer not
participating in church, is that I believe in God in
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such a more expansive way. Now, I think a lot
of religion actually limits God, limits your personal experience with God.
And I believe in God like that's never left me.
I absolutely believe in God. I don't believe in God
is this like Dad in the sky, Like a lot
of religion sort of plays that up. I don't believe
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that he's this like father figure in the clouds.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I view God as just an energy source of love,
pure love, and so I am very thankful that I've
evolved kind of out of that because it felt very
limiting and so breaking away. I see God in every
client that I work with. I see God in every
sign that I get from my loved ones on the
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other side. That to me is proof that God exists,
because only an all powerful source of love would allow
or build into the lived experience that we get to
always communicate with those that we've loved and connected with.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That is God.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And so I think the church itself, and I'm not
knocking religion is important for a lot of people. I'm
not knocking it. But I found God to be much
more connected to me, and I could find God in
all of these details in my life that I couldn't
necessarily feel or see when I was connected to the church, and.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Going back to I want to do you a justice
here the training, So.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I sought it out.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just in the throes of my career and all
the death and just spickness that I was surrounded by,
and all the dead people were like I felt like
they were kind of closing in where I could no
longer pretend that they that I couldn't do this, and.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So I just googled, like.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Psychic development Spiritual Development or County, and I found literally
that's what I did, and I was like the first
one that popped up. I was like, I'm gonna go.
I'll just see it. And the moment I sat down
and she started talking, I was like, Oh, I'm home. Yeah,
I'm not alone, I'm not crazy. I'm in a room
full of people that are exactly like me. I've never
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felt that before. And so she had a professional psychic,
professional mediumship, professional healer program, and so I did all
these you know, trainings and classes and practice. So she
would host psychic fairs and so put our skills to
the test. So we had to see like fifteen people
and go, go, go, and interesting train And I'm grateful
for that because I also I am sort of this
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weird mix of I am a very black and white thinker.
I'm a very much like our first responder of friends,
like the evidence is either there or it's not. It
either exists or it doesn't. So that was kind of
a mind fuck for me to that's part of my
own personal side. But merged that with my abilities to
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talk to people that no one else can see. That
doesn't align with a black and white brain. So I
very grateful for that sort of formal education of doing
this work because I got the the sort of like
the study and the practice. I'm also a urgirl. I'm
an earth science so I like to like it needs to.
I want the validation, i want the credentials, I want
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the I want it to be professional. And now I'm
more like, let's just have fun with it. I get
to be me and what I do for a living.
So but I'm very grateful. So I took classes there
for years and then worked there for a little bit,
helped run the psychic fairs and sort of was the
advanced student that got to help lead smaller groups of
newer students. And I still have a connection to my mentor,
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but she doesn't teach. She doesn't teach anymore. It's kind
of sad.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So so okay, So we work with cops environment they're
so skeptical of your ability.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They're my favorite clients.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Probably like all millions of people listening. I have hope
millions of people are listening. What do you say to
the skeptics? Like my dad, I told him I was
gonna talk with you today. He was like, it's bullshit.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, that's fine, you know what's wonderful about being alive
in this body, in this timeline is that we are
allowed to believe whatever we want to believe.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It's okay that people don't believe in what I do.
I had this response from a former partner of mine
when I worked at the police department. I had to
tell him that I was a medium because I was
visited by a dead guy that I knew was attached
to a case at the department.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I didn't really know anything ooh, cold case prior to.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
That, and so I told this guy, this is gonna
sound crazy. I absolutely know it. I can see dead people,
I can talk to dead people. It's this gift I
was born with. Here it is, and his response changed
my life. So this is how I handle skeptics. Said
to me, well, I don't believe that, but I believe you.
(34:06):
And that shifted everything for me, and I thought, oh,
I don't have to prove it to anybody. Yeah, I
am a trustworthy person. I am a reliable person, and
if people know me, they might not believe in this,
but they believe me, and they know me enough to
know that I'm not going to bullshit anybody. And I'm
super honest in my sessions. If people ask me questions
(34:29):
and there's no answer, I go, they have nothing to say,
there's no answer.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't fake it. I don't try to force it
on anybody. So sort of to.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
The skeptics, be skeptical. Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You should never believe something just because someone tells you
to believe it, right, no way.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, I mean I was so skeptical of you, right,
like when we when did we meet? Five years? I
don't think so? So many years ago?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, five or six years ago?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, hold on, you've got psychologists, psychiatrist, nurse, I don't
know all these initials. Medium. Yeah, And I was like
I can't I can't put my name to this, Like
I can't wait is this I can't testify to this.
I'm to be in court and lawyer is gonna be
like way you work, you're.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
On staff with a medium, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
But it was it was getting to know you and
believing your consistent character, yeah, and trusting you. So how
do you stay happy?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So really good?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
You know, it's so funny this year I turned forty
earlier this year, and I don't know if it's just
age or I don't know what's I never have stopped
to realize that what I do is really heavy. It
sounds so stupid that, like, how un selfware are you?
I'm very self aware, but I just have never paused
long enough.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
To go, fuck. Yeah, All you do is.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I've banked the feeling in my psychic diction, my psychic
reference guide, so to speak. So now anytime there's a
car accident or severed neck, I just get a quick
feeling in my neck, and I know exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I've banked it in my mind. Yeah, but I only
just realized how heavy the work is.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Exactly I'm telling you. It sounds ridiculous. I just think
it's I don't bank it.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Where does it go?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It just stays in my.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's it's compartmentalized. You can access it when you want to,
but it doesn't bleed out.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I don't access it it will. It sort of stores.
I'm going to say, maybe in my in my energetic body.
It stores so that when I meet someone else who
has a loved one who died in a car accident
and had a severed neck, then they just go they
give me a quick feeling at the back of the neck,
and I know what it is. I know what stabbing
(36:55):
feels like. I know what a heart attack feels like.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know what stroke feel like. I know what lung cancer.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Feels like, paralysis feels like. So how do I stay happy?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
How do you say happy? But also I'm so curious
about the cold case thing that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
One of my dreams, one of my visions, is that,
specifically in this county, that I get to be a
part of a case that they use me like officially,
not this back channel, because but I understand the stigma too.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's nuts.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I completely get it, completely understand the stigma. But because
I live here and I have roots here, I would
love to see the openness kind of grow. They use
psychics all the time on the East Coast. It's like
a non issue. It's a non issue. Yeah, And so
I'd love to bring some of that openness here.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Can I ask you a personal question? Yeah, not that
this hasn't been entirely personal. How's your dating life? Crickets?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So I'm single.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's hard. It's hard to date because well multi layered.
But I am fully aware that what I do is
not widely received. Well, I'm also aware that it takes
a really confident male to say, hey, this chick i'm
seeing talks to dead people, because then he runs the
risk of getting made fun of or teased or mocked.
(38:25):
So it takes really strong, confident people. And also I
am I can feel living people's energy as well too,
So if something is off in the relationship, I can't
I am. I am uncomfortable, I can't be myself. I
can't let my guard down. So I will bring things up,
(38:46):
and not in a mean way. I'm not like calling
people out like change I can feel this or stop
behaving that way. No, it's a very loving exchange. But
a lot of people don't want to be seen and
felt fully.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
That's what I was gonna say is a lot of
people don't want to be seen as how they really are.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And the sad thing is, well they're missing out. No
to my own horn, But the truth is I I
have tremendous I am an impath, but I have tremendous
empathy for people. I don't care the life that you
lived before you started to date me, Like, I don't
care what what are you working on?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
What lights you up? What are you doing to heal
your shit? That is is you're doing something good.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But that's the other end of the spectrum when you
know most people spend their whole life trying to get
to that point. Yeah. Yeah, showing up at forty as
a transparent, authentic woman is almost unheard of in this world.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It's hard, it's and it's hard to I mean, I
don't it's so funny. I worry about a lot of
things in my life, and that area of my life
I just don't worry about, which tells me that, like
God hasn't taken care of I don't stress out about it.
I also don't like to force anything to fit. So
if it's not you know, a yes throughout my entire
being that I want to be with somebody, I'm not
(39:59):
going to fake it and force it. It's just not
it's not authentic. It's not good for me, it's not
good for the other person. So I am much happier
holding out for and trusting that the universe is gonna
sort of, you know, make that happen for me at
the right time. Then I am willing to bend and
force it to work with somebody that's not meant for.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Would you force an orgasm because that's like a different layer. No, really,
you wouldn't even pretend.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
No, oh shoot, no.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm sorry. It's time for a commercial. Okay, I have
to ask this thing now. I said I wouldn't. Who's
here now.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm not looking to do like a total reading. But
there is a younger male energy that is present.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Who is cute.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So remember we talked about like they like to show
up and tell me how.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Cute they were.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's a little bit of the They like the spotlight,
they like the attention. But I would say that he
would have passed away. There's some sort my heart is
racing giving you this information, some sort of unexpected nature
surrounding his death. So whether he died suddenly or he
(41:12):
was sick and died before we sort of expected it,
there is that kind of But he's very lively. He
has a very beautiful personality. He's fun, he's a great laugh.
I feel like I hear him singing.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Nothing comes to.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
There's also an older there's an older male and an
older female, and they feel to me like grandparents, So
like if you have a grandmother on the other side
and or a grandfather on the other side, because I
feel like, well, do you have a grandmother on the
other side.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I never metter, but a grandfather who passed away
last year.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Okay, okay, there is this overwhelming love for you and
also this I don't this, I'll just say it permission
to have all the spectrum of feelings surrounding who he
was when he was at so all the good things
and all the not so good things like there are
(42:03):
there's this message to you of you don't have to
pretend like I always contributed good stuff to the family,
Like I also contributed to some of the dysfunction, some
of the shit in the family, And it's okay to
be real about that. He owns that, he takes accountability
and responsibility for that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
What's really interesting is since he died, my family has
fallen apart. Wow yeah, wow, Like he was. Oh it's fine,
I'm coold and callous and brint out, but he was
the reason we all got together for holidays. Yeah, since
he died that there hasn't been one. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
It's harder because it adds to the it adds to
the experience of loss because the tradition then is also lost.
But do you understand that when he says I also
contributed to some of the like, Okay, okay, because he's
like saying, be real about who I was. Yeah, so
it's interesting that you said the family's kind of fallen apart.
(43:04):
I'm going to just say this and be direct. He goes,
it wasn't really.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That intact it was.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Okay, is that that's not I don't want to be offensive,
m Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
It was a false intactness. And I think it's so
important for so many people to know because every family
is so fucked up and what we see is never
what it is really what's happening behind the scenes, and
it's heartbreaking when clients.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Realize the shattering I call it, yeah, the fall from grace.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's heartbreaking. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
And so he's I think too that he has this
message for you of like, except that I was kind
of an asshole, maybe didn't hold himself to like such
high moral standards always. But he also had a lot
of love, had a lot of happiness, and had a
good sense of humor, and so that fueled a lot
(43:58):
of togetherness. Yes, but at the core of the family unit,
there's a lot of half in, half out, take it
or leave it, Yeah, kind of energy that makes sense
to you.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Oh, total dysfunction. Okay, then okay, yeah, I don't want
anything to do with a nikey.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Well so he but I'm gonna tell you this. The
positive message that he has is you get to just
in your own line of work, but also you know
how to help people heal. So I'll just be direct
and tell you this. He says, do that for yourself.
Do that for yourself. Do that for yourself. So that
(44:39):
you made a joke like I'm disconnected, I don't have feelings,
I'm numb.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, that's a joke, but that's very true.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
And he says, don't live like that.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, don't live like that because you're only getting well,
you're getting a false sense of what your life actually is.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
And even if you have to go into the heavy,
icky feeling, the truth of the dysfunction my family good,
You're going to face it, and then you never when
you face it in the future, it's never going to
be that intense. It's never going to be that dark.
As soon as you shine the smallest bit of light
through something that's dark, you can no longer say that
it's all dark.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
And so he's encouraging you the same passion that you
have had all of these years to help other people.
Why the hell aren't you taking that seriously within yourself,
Because I'm not paying myself and there's the connection to
the dssumption.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Lisa, thank you for being here, and thank you to
everyone for listening or watching intentionally disturbing. I hope this
opens your mind a little bit to other forms of
therapy and other forms of ways to treat trauma, and
just different ways to look at the world. Tune in
next time, Allay, You're here.
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