April 18, 2025 • 61 mins
We’ve got two legends in the building (Chelsea made us write that!)
WWE Hall of Famer, and radio host, Mark Henry reveals what he was able to lift in the air, and it’s shocking. While Chelsea defines Hot Mess and reveals her absolute dream match.
The fatal 4-ways continues on another very special episode…
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome to our second jam packed Interview episode for you.
We are very very excited to bring Mark Henry. What
an incredible personality athlete.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, he was so funny and the things he was
telling us that he did and was able to accomplish,
just in heavy things to lift.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We looked up.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We just watched his video of the Thomas Inch Dumbell
that he was telling.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Us about that he was then able to lift over
his head.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Crazy, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, I encourage all of you when you hear the
interview and you get to that part, look up that
YouTube clip because it's pretty remarkable. And then we have
Chelsea Green, the only woman to attend my husband's bachelor
party back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yes, and what an incredible story she.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Has of perseverance, Yeah, of using her talents to come
up with unique characters and gimmicks but that really work
and make it special.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, she came up with some really kind of off
the wall characters that all of us were talking about
afterwards as just what a cool backstory to you know, Well,
I don't want to ruin it, but you know, just
think about her dress.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, she's telling us about it, how it changes after
every match.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
It was just so all the little details we're thinking about.
You were saying that if I was a wrestler, i'd
be the professor. Yeah, I think I should just be angst.
Oh oh that's great, just the angst. That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Every time, like everybody comes out to this big music,
but you're always.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Just in the corner kind of just saying by your
and like they want. They'd interview me before match and
just be like, I'm just too much. Man, I just can't.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I can't even go would be thunder and rain, Oh
I love it.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm just too deep for this.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We should be two wrestlers that never actually wrest I
just sit in the corner and a rock, That's.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I'm always just like I'm not kidding in that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So that's we can have the characters because we have
the talent portion with the acting, but not so much
with the athleticism.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It seems like you need.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Kind of the whole package.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You definitely need both, sure, but I think you guys
are onto something. Try to be wrestlers without any any
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Hey, I've gone through this much of my life without
any athletics.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
All right, everyone enjoyed this episode. Our next guest is
an absolute legend, whether as a two time Olympic power lifter,
(03:01):
as a Pan American Games winner of a gold, a silver,
and a bronze medal, or as a multi time US
national champion and winner of the two thousand and two
Arnold Schwarzenegger Strongman Classic. I mean, Will won in two
thousand and eight, but we are just not as impressive
as yeah, yeah, you were sick that year, right, And
(03:25):
then starting in nineteen ninety six, he entered the WWE
and he has never looked back. He's a former World
Heavyweight Champion and he was inducted into the WWE Hall
of Fame in twenty eighteen. It would be impossible to
summarize the Attitude era or the late nineties and two
thousands without mentioning this absolute superstar. So you can now
(03:46):
hear him on the Busted Open podcast available on Sirius
Radio and wherever you get your podcasts. He is the
world's strongest man. Welcome to pod meets World, Mark Henry,
thank you so much for joining us this morning.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Who wrote my Wikipedia But it's just rotten. I'm gonna
have to I'm gonna have to actually do it because
like they mixed. I did three sports, okay, powerlifting, weightlifting,
and strong man, and you know, thank god I was
able to win at all of them. And the what
(04:27):
it sounds like bragging when I say it, but it's
like the powerlifting World I was world champion. The Olympic
Weightlifting World and powerlifting are completely different. It's like bad
midton and tennis, you know, they just they both have rackets,
they both have nets. But and the Olympic weightlifting, I
(04:53):
was national champion, but I was not world champion. Uh
and strong man I was world champion.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I don't know what strong man.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Strong Man is like an athletic, Like they just take
implements like who can lift this heavy rock?
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Don't you have to pull a bus?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Isn't that strong man?
Speaker 8 (05:11):
Like it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well I would have said a pull of train, but
that that might sound bad, but we've done it all
and it's it's funny that like the yoke, Like people
say what's a yoke, and it's like, oh, you put
something on your neck and you carry, like there's a
(05:33):
timber carry, there's a frame carry and all of these
are eight hundred pounds implements that you have to pick
up and then walk with, you know. And then you've
seen the movie of Conan. Yeah, you know, so they
have an apparatus called the Conan Wheel. Yeah. The more
you twist, the more you turn, the harder it gets.
(05:53):
And uh, and then they measure how many reputations that
you go.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Did you the the keke tar like.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Height?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So how do you train for that?
Speaker 9 (06:04):
Do you do?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know all these events before you go in, or
you know, you.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Know before, but you know, like the competitions vary, so
you might go to one competition and it might be
real heavy and pressing implements, or you know, this one
might be pulling things right, you know, so it's it's
different and you just have to be versatile. And I
was because of my leticism. It just takes. It was
(06:30):
tailor made for me.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Wow, there's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
If you've never watched a strong man competition, they're really
you just get sucked in. I mean they're really because
you're going this it seems superhuman, right, I mean to
grab a keg and throw it up over their head
and it's good. It's for height, so their talk, it's
really an amazing thing.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You just like a seven hundred pounds all drum, like
you know, like you see it, you see it on
the ground, you go, wow, why is there a big
ol drum right here? And there are people gonna lift it?
And they go.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
How Yeah, it's amazing and.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's a technique to it. It's like you have to
start going through you know, Okay, I have to push
this forward and get my knees under it and then
hug it and pull it to me and do it.
So I've been I've been blessed to do things that
no other human walking the planet has been able to do.
Still to this day.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
What's the most what's the heaviest thing you've ever lifted?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Uh? The Thomas inch dumbbell is. It's a three inch handle,
one hundred and seventy two point five pound dumbbell and
for years and years people couldn't even pull it off
the ground. It was kind of like Thor's hammer. And
(07:46):
then the first time I touched it, you know, I
did Arnold Schwarzenegger's competition at the on a Classic, and
I was so disappointed that I couldn't lift it over
my head, and they were like, hey, man, you just
lifted something off the ground to your waist that people
(08:07):
haven't lifted in like fifty years. And I'm like still disappointed,
right right, You're like the ruler.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Of Asgard now, so I don't understand what the problem is.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So I was like, I'm lifting over my head next year.
And in the calendar year, I lifted it. Wow, and
nobody's been able to do it since.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I love the expression that y'all have.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Well, yeah, because it's it's superhuman.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Really, we always talk comic books and superheroes and it
is people that are superhuman.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
You're one of them. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, that's pretty incredible.
Speaker 10 (08:44):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
There's a lot of work that go into it because
I've spent my I had a lot of talent, but
I spent my life working like I don't And you know,
I hate I hate losing. I would rather not lose
than win. Right.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
People think, wait a minute, that's kind of odd, Like
what do you mean I cry when I lose? Yeah,
like I can't sleep, Like I'm telling you it's a sickness,
and people laugh. My wife she's just like, oh my god,
let him win, me and the family playing and I lose.
Speaker 11 (09:28):
Oh no, right in.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The house, know that I'm just gonna go over there
and power.
Speaker 11 (09:32):
No one wants to play games with you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I can't wait Monopoly. I can't do nothing if I.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Lose your toys and go home.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but that it made it made me great.
Now I thank God for it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well, thank you for being here with us on WrestleMania Weekend.
You have had so many amazing WrestleMania moments over the years. Uh,
is there anything like WrestleMania makes it so special?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's the spectacle of it. It's the fact that, you know,
you people come from all over the where I'm I
sat and talked to a guy from Singapore yesterday and
he barely could speak English, and he started crying, and
I was like, man, what's what's up. He's like, He's like,
I just can't believe I'm in America. I'm at WrestleMania.
(10:24):
It was a big.
Speaker 12 (10:25):
Damn And people come from every little small place in
the world because they've seen it on TV or they
watched it on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And they finally get here, Like it's just a special
thing and it's not like the Olympics or the Arnal
Classic or you know, the NBA Championships and stuff, where
it's only important to people in that genre or people
in that country. You know, I don't know nothing about
cricket or you know a lot of rugby and so forth.
(11:00):
But I'm sure that there's some people that take it really,
really seriously. Everybody takes wrestle serious. Yeah, like that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, well one of the things that like, this is
Will's only second wrestling event ever. He went to the
premiere of Raw on Netflix that was his first. This
is Writer's first ever wrestling event ever, and both of
their first WrestleMania so Saturday. Yes, he's never even been
(11:30):
to a wrestling show.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's like going to Carnegie Hall and performance. Yes, I'm excited.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I'm excited, Ma.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You get to go to WrestleMania first.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, it's like your first super Bowl. It's like your
first football game ever. It is the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And he has his ten year old son here with him,
who it's also his first wrestling show. So it's going
to be a family affair.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Because your kid is going to go to a live
event and go where's the Pyroe.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But he'll be into it because of the character. So
one of the one of the things that they have
both really gravitated to with the with the or the
storylines and and the understanding that each of you are
not only doing what we've been doing our entire lives,
acting and performing, but you're also doing it while being
incredibly athletic.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
We talked about in little.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Tiny clothes in front of everybody, and something we all
have in common that I wanted to ask you about
is we've all had this experience where you build a
reputation for yourself, you're doing something, and then all of
a sudden you get a script to become sexual chocolate
and serenade an eighty year old woman.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And let me stop you. Okay. Sometimes people suggest that
and hand you a script created sexual jog.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Okay, see good, that is on. That's the thing that's
unlike what we get to do the do.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
They invested a lot of money in me, and they
were like, look, we want you to be serious, and
I was like, no, I want to do comedy. No,
you're an olympian. We want you to do this. And
I was like, listen, I beg you to see the vision.
Let me do this. You won't be entertained, like and
(13:27):
they allowed me to do it, and here it is
thirty five years later, and uh, every.
Speaker 12 (13:34):
I can't go nowhere without people to people.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Hey, chocolate, and that's so great, Like we love that
so much that you that you have the freedom. They
pushed back, but you you won, and that some of
Like I think everybody we've interviewed today, their most iconic
moments they created and that came from that.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, And it just goes to show you that like
wrestling now having it finally it's been it's.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Felt niche for so long, and now it's really starting
to feel like it's starting to become for the masses.
And one of the things I'd like for our industry
to learn is the fact that when you trust your
talent enough to let them make their make some of
their own decisions, and you can really it can really
(14:27):
be for everybody.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Okay, I have a question.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You're so your training you're an Olympic athlete.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Was professional wrestling always something you wanted to do or
was this something you found after.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I had no idea.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I was a wrestling fan. My grandmother and I share that,
and I never nobody else in my family watches wrestling. Okay,
I've twenty eight years of pro wrestling. Nobody's ever asked
me for a ticket for Wrestlmingia really never. I'm I
(15:01):
always go on record as probably saying twenty five times
I had a family member come to a show. They
just don't care. Wow. Like it's like wrestling is not
a thing for my grandmother. Oh my god. She was
ate up and we used to get on the Greyhound
bus and go to Louisiana and go to Houston and
(15:24):
go to Beaumont to the Civic Center and watch wrestling.
And that was just our thing. And you know, I
watched wrestling all through college and around that time, I
used to every competition there's a video on. You know,
the internet is undefeated. I did these celebrity slam dunk
(15:49):
contests back in the day, and I dunked and I
started posing and flexing and getting the crowd hype. And
then WW was like that dude needs to wrestle, and
so I got contacted. I was the first developmental wrestler.
They didn't have a f c w R Ohio Valley
(16:11):
Performance Center. Vincent saw me in and j R. And
was like, bring him up go get that dude.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Did your did your grandmother ever get a chance to
see you wressell?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh? My god, yeah, I'm glad that she lived to
see me wrestle, probably about six years and would come
to shows and I heard my mom and and and
just like she would laugh a lot because it was
me doing it.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Breaks the fantasy when.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Somebody else was. She was so.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
And I'm like, why you laugh about You ain't gonna
hurt No, It's like, oh, Grandma, don't believe.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You were outside the WWE for a little, you were
working elsewhere after being with this company for decades, and
here you are Siberia. What's the most important thing you
learned while dabbling with others for a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think the most important thing is there's unbelievable talent everywhere,
but without proper leadership and direction and focus, you can't succeed.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Right, So smart, leave it right there? Leave it there,
all right?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You have seen a lot of wrestlers come and go
in the amount of time that you have been doing
what you do. What is the worst thing someone very
green can do in their first few months not care.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
If you if you fail, you better show me that
you're morseful. You be able to show me that you're
trying to get better and you're sorry that you made
a mistake. And the people that's like, oh, well something
you can't make omelet I breaking a few eggs. Those
people get that kicked right. Like all wrestlers feel the
(18:17):
same exact way. It is nothing your life. Every one
of their lives in my hands. They I have a
friend that passed away a year and a half ago
that was paralyzed from the neck down for the last
seventeen to twenty years, and he was never bitter about it.
(18:41):
He was like, hey, man, I got a bad beat.
It happened. Its yeah, And I was actually standing at
ringside when it happened. And he was never better. Darren Drosdorf,
he started off as puke and because when he got
(19:01):
nervously throughout.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
He was he was puke.
Speaker 11 (19:04):
He was in the documentary where with You're kidding.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Paralyzed.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
That and it just it was, it just it was bad.
But he was never bitter about it, and he was like,
it's not his fault. Like I tried to put the
mustard on the hot dog and I ruined it. And
I hurt myself in the process, and it's it's hard
(19:31):
to wake up every day and realize you can't do
nothing about that. But if that person's life is in
your hands, the last thing you want to do is
do something and not be responsible and not be understanding
(19:51):
that you know, things can't go wrong. And I've seen
a lot of wrestlers not care and that that's that's
the suckiest of it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, just get out of here with that.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Can you think of a wrestler that you saw up
and coming that you were like, this person is going
to be huge and then they just never got their shot.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Really, Oh, there's been a lot of them, I think,
like looks and talent wise. That was a girl named
Linda Miles. She played a character named Schanik what it
was with the Bashing Brothers and I just knew she
was Jay Cargill before j But she just didn't like wrestling.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's a problem.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I want to do that. She she wanted to do
things her way, not the way that the company wanted
to do. They you can't go to McDonald's and make
a whopper, right, ye, Like it's they company do what
they want you to do and go home, take your check.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But especially when you're just getting started to ingratiate yourself
a little bit, make yourself making how you does exactly.
So Will has been steadily working out for all, I mean,
most of his life. He's in great shape, but he's
really striving to get you around.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Round is a shape, so we're honest. So yeah, we
look like ten, it's a shape.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
His goal is to feel comfortable taking his shirt off.
Do you have any suggestions for a man who's pushing
fifty who wants to get in the best shape of
a different way?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
This question?
Speaker 10 (21:49):
Man, is there a way to ask a decrepit falling.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Strange?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Listen, I've been around wrestling. I seen five hundred and
sixty pounds with no shirt on. So like, you gotta
just take it as it goes. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Nobody's gonna judge you if your performance is great.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Okay, So I could be Will dra the giant.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh, let's work on the.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Figure something out.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But like I wouldn't say the giant with a J.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Giant with a J.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
That's my hook.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
We're gonna work on Okay, workshop, But if workouts don't
take you to be in the gym for three hours.
You know. It's consistency over time, you know. So if
you can do three hundred reps every day, reps every day,
(22:57):
that's nothing. That's five five sets.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, Okay, you do you do five of twenty five okay.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And the upper body like some curls, some overhead presses,
some bench presses, some lattle raisers, some rows, some whatever,
and then you do one hundred reps. There's one hundred
set ups. You can do one hundred squads or fifty
squads or twenty five lunches and then twenty five leg
(23:26):
curls like something. You're done with three hundred. Like you know,
my coach always said, if you could jump over broomstick,
you can stay in jake. So like you just keep
jumping over the broomstick.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
So my first goal is jumping over the broomstick.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Start there. It don't take a.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Lot, okay, And then I could lift that arnold bar.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, let's not get over zeps.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Now, your son, Jacob Henry has signed a deal with
the WWE were you always supportive of him following in
your footsteps?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah? Because he loved it, and I know He's going
to be really good because there's steady habits, you know,
the questions he asked, and his knowledge of the force
if you will. He knows history, and in order to
(24:22):
know where you're going, you got to know where you
came from. And a lot of athletes don't have that.
They just have the I want to make me dollar.
I want to look real good so I can get
the girls, you know, like or whatever it is, or
the guy as for that matter. And Jacob is like,
(24:44):
I want to be a star. And the only person
that I've known that have that same kind of just
unbridled I want to be better than you was The Rock.
And we live together for almost a year nine months,
and Dwayne had the most incredible study habits. I have
(25:10):
a saw I mean he had. I went on to
talk about his shortcomings, but study habits and work ethic.
There ain't nobody on the planet that's going to work here, nobody,
arnold any If you've been great in your life, you
cannot compete with the Rock and work there.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Wow, that's so that's so cool. Now you are on
Serious XM with Busted Open Radio, the podcast, still watching
a lot of wrestling, fifteen hours a week.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Really, Wow, I watched every brand and wrestling in the world, man, and.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Stuff that I shouldn't watch. Really, I've seen some wrestling
that definitely killed brains up.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
If we had to bet, we're in Vegas. If we
had to bet on a young superstar who's going to
be the next Rock or Roman reigns or see him punk?
Who do we put our money on?
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Will Drew the Giant? I thought we've established this.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
If we not established that, I thought we're.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
In the conversation. I can't I can't miss this. Jacob
fi too, Okay, can't miss o man, Like you could
tell that he love it and he's really good at it,
and the stuff that he does without thinking is great.
(26:42):
Its just it's a trip to me to watch my
find myself watching him going dude, is that like he
just he just gets your attention, I guess. On On
the On the on the women's side, j Car Gill
(27:04):
has got so much potential to be what every female
wrestler should want to aspire to be. Charlotte Flair, the
greatest female wrestler of all time. I think Jade has
that potential plus the best entertainer right right in women's wrestling,
(27:28):
which I think you can put China up there. We'll
being a great entertainer absolutely, and to be able to
do both.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's exactly it. That's what we were talking about. That's
so incredible is that to really be at the top
of your game, you have to excel in both.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, you got you both.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and then all the travel on top of it,
and yeah, it's so what you guys do is really remarkable.
What's one thing you'd like to see disappear from wrestling
in twenty twenty five and what do you want to
see more.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Of disappear from wrestling? I want to I want people
to stop diving through the ropes without knowing how to
do it properly. Okay, there's several things in wrestling that
people are doing. It's really dangerous and they don't know
how to do it.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
If you're going to do it, go to the hunter.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
And say, listen, there's five people that can do it
really well. All the rest of y'all can't do it
no more. Right, Like, there's a bunch of moves like
that needs to be the greatest people at it. Hey,
y'all keep on doing it. All the rest of y'all
until I give you permission. Y'all want to see you
(28:42):
do it again.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Or out your lights go right right? I like how
important it is to you that everybody stay safe, because,
like you said, it really is people's lives on the
line in the ring.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I've seen people risk that. It happened not long ago.
I'm not mass you no names because I don't want
to point the way out. But a girl dove through
the ropes, plunt her through the ropes to the floor,
and the girl on the rope on the floor saved
her life. It looked like too because she stopped wrestling.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Right and had to catch her right so ron dart
into the ground, and like she shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
The agent should have said, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
So it's a lot of personal responsibility that we got
to do to take care of each other, and the
ring should be everybody sanctuary. Yeah, you should treat it
like that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
What's something you'd like to see more of silliness?
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I want to see people make a fool.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
Out of themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Anthony Morelli Santino, you know, just selfless, just funny without
trying to be funny, just I'm going to make a
fool out of myself going one hundred miles an hour
and hope everybody like it. Yes, and that's wrestling. Need that, Yeah,
and everybody want to look good and be cool. Tired
(30:20):
of cool people?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, let's bring back someself.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I want to see.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
That your advice is the inverse of each other. It's like,
on the one hand, you want people to pull back
on the physical and like be very careful.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
No, I don't want him to risk. I want him
to have a comedic and uh and a fear that
Like you go to a Broadway show and if it's
a one man's show, John leg Ozamo, you've ever seen
this one man show? Google John leg Ozamo and look
at this one man show. He's on stage, just him.
He did five characters in about thirty seconds and they
(30:55):
all made me laugh. Right, that's what wrestling. A guy
a girl that could perform and get your attention, be passionate. John,
like Examo cried, laughed and and and was like I
don't even know where I am right now? Like what
am I?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
What was I talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Do you remember what I was saying? Like he interactive?
There needs to be more interaction than wrestling too. We
we produce it so that you go, go go, but
wrestling is not that Historically wrestling is the term broadway
comes from wrestling, you know. So you have to be
(31:36):
able to perform big motions and let people get it
as they get it, you know, going you get it,
you get it. Takes away from the joke.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Right, you have a long history with this guy. What
have you thought about seen A's heel turn.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I told y'all he was rotten. Everybody was mad at hey, Mark,
Why you do that to him? He deserved it? I
think that is awesome. Yeah, talk about versatility.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You know another guy that works incredibly hard. But John
is just inherently smart too. Yeah, so it's not like
he has to outwork you. He's just better than you.
Some people just good and he's one of those people.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I want to end on a rapid fire note. I'm
gonna let's hear your predictions on a few matches. Okay,
gunther versus JAUSO violent?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Oh violent, this is gonna be. Jay's gonna have to
earn his bones because I don't think he's had a
match yet.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like what gun could bring My son's a big ja
So fan. Yes, that's his guy, all right. How about
Living Rock hel versus Bailey and Lyra.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I think that that's another one that's a great entertainer,
that that Live She is locked in.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, she's our pod meets World champion so yeah current yeah, Current,
that means that, Yeah, she could be out of there.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
How it's going with the organization before.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
She's got a lot of personality and like you talk
about making fool out of yourself, she don't mind. I
love it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, she's willing to go silly. How about Io Sky
versus Bianca, bell Air versus Ria Ripley Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
EO will come here and beat you up if she
heard you say?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, eo, thank you?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Is very talented and underrated. And I'm going with her. Okay,
like she needs to have more, uh runway to do more?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Okay, Punk versus Rawlins versus Roman.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Rains very complicated.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm a pump fan, Okay, so yeah, but I want
to see.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And I want set Rollins to get bay him and
and I'm just gonna stop right there because everything else
I say is going to be very critical.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
What you say it on your own podcast.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I don't know. I don't want.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And then finally Cody versina.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I want Cody to to win, and I want John
Cena to do what evil people do. And that's just lie.
You said he was gonna retire. I'm not retiring, y'all, suckers.
I mean lied to get the opportunity to do what
(34:58):
I'm doing right now. I main invented WrestleMania. It ain't
nothing you could do about it. And then I'm gonna
make your life miserable until I win. Nobody's winning until
I win. It was always my philosophy. If I lost
a fight as a little kid growing.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Up, yeah, I'm gonna make you me tomorrow too.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Eventually you go say, look, okay.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Just take it because I'm gonna make your life miserable
and that and that's the character that I want.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
John to become.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Wow, I lied. I have one more question for you.
I mentioned that this is their first WrestleMania. What advice
do you have for them tomorrow to make the most
of their experience?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
To take it in and act. Don't analyze, Okay, like.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
You're very good at that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I believe that when you analyze, you take your eye
off being in suspended belief and it happens to me
all the time, like I want to, Oh, man, I
want to just watch it. Yeah, and I'll start writing
notes for tomorrow for the show, and I'm like, once
I start analyzing it totally, so I say, just going there.
(36:25):
Get you some popcorn and Eminem's because I can't.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Eat popcorn without something sweet.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
They go together like peanut butter joke, and enjoy yourself, like.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
It's okay to embrace the fantasy.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yes, it's okay to embrace the fantasy.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You watch Marvels, Yeah, I love that stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I guess so deep sometimes in the series that it's
hard for me to convince myself that is a movie.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
That's good though.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's how you should.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I love your I would, for the record, like to
say that I wear that on my biceps. It's beautiful.
I absolutely love it and truly thank you so much
for being here with us. You are one of a
(37:25):
kind and it was really great having the opportunity to
talk to you. So thank you.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
Well, gentlemen, another champion has arrived, so everybody act cool.
Our guest is the inaugural w w E Women's US
Champion and a former women's tag team champion who has
quickly become a bright shining light on SmackDown, and though
she is a genuine heel, she somehow attended my husband's
(38:07):
bachelor party.
Speaker 11 (38:09):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (38:12):
In the podcast, Chelsea Green, everyone how you were the
only woman.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Allowed at my husband's bachelor party.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
Okay, So first of all, I had no idea what
was going on, but the boys went to all In.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yes, his bachelor party was at all in In.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
Okay, so all In is I'm so glad you asked. Yeah,
so thank you for asking. It is the biggest and
best independent wrestling show to ever be put on. This
was like the first little snippet of what would be
aw but we didn't know that at the time. It
(38:49):
was just the biggest independent show. It was in Chicago.
It was at the All State Arena, and that was
the first time that like indie wrestlers had filled up
an arena exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And so they Jensen took a bunch of guys they
went all In.
Speaker 11 (39:04):
It was a front row.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
They sat front row, and then the entire group fell
in love with Chelsea and was like she's the coolest
and one of Jensen's friends, Nano, then secretly added her
to the weekends group the group chat. Yes, so she
was in the group chat.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
That nickname or is he just really small?
Speaker 11 (39:28):
But it isn't large.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Though, it's not a large man.
Speaker 11 (39:30):
No, that we're discussing.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Not at this point. I'm sure he's happy we're talking
about that. He's a small man named Nano.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Okay. Checking.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
And at that time you went by hot Mess Chelsea
Green was.
Speaker 11 (39:42):
I was a little like, okay, this was man. There's
a lot to them at So at the beginning of
twenty seventeen, I had evolved into this hot Mess character
that was a jilted bride left at the old So
I led great. I wrestled in a wedding dress. Oh,
(40:05):
the wedding dress got dirtier and dirtier and shorter and shorter,
and I got more and more disheveled. My makeup was everywhere,
hair was everywhere, and I wrestled barefoot. It was honestly, I.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Come, it's brilliant.
Speaker 11 (40:16):
So it was like a Wiki feet dream.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yes, there you go, exactly. You probably have more Wiki
feet pictures than I did.
Speaker 11 (40:23):
I bet I do, maybe well maybe. So then when
I got asked to do all in, I'm like, what
can I do? That's different? That people haven't seen. This
could be the start of like the next kind of
iteration of this character. So I really I just watched
Split with James McAvoy. I was obsessed with a Split
(40:43):
personality and no one was letting me do it. So
I'm like, I'm gonna do it all in. So I
had gear that was half like a hot girl diva
moment and then half a bride a bride left of
the altar, and then this side of my face was
like the makeup was crazy, this side.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Was good hair dish.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
It was so much fun. So when they saw me,
it was like a drunk girl wrestling. Wow, it was
all over the place. It was a lot. There was
a lot going on, lot going on, and I didn't
really know what I was doing, but like I knew
I was having fun, and I knew in this match
probably everyone was going to look the same except me. Yeah,
(41:21):
we'll we wear a bunch of brunette girls. Like, what's different.
We're all four white brunette girls, five ot eight. There's
not much there other than that. So I just kind
of like took a little chance, came out to kind
of crazy rock wedding music, and that was the beginning
of then the split personality.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Jeez, I love it so much.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
It's so great.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Okay, wait, I have a question.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
When you're designing the wedding dress to wrestle in, is
it function over style? Can you still wrestle while you're
wearing a wedding dress? How did that work?
Speaker 11 (41:55):
The problem with wrestling is like you don't know what
next week is going to bring. So when I wore
this wedding dress, we had no idea that I was
going to be wrestling in it for the next year.
So we just had a wedding dress. And in fact,
the wedding dress was much more functional before we altered
it to make it sexy. So we were trying to
like add a little pizaz to it. So we cut
(42:16):
the sleeves off and we added like a key hole
right here.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Boys won't know, but yeah, I get it.
Speaker 11 (42:21):
And then I ended up having to wrestle in it
for a year, and we kind of had to slowly
start figuring out ways to keep it on and in tact. Yeah,
and you know, I had also never wrestled barefoot, Like
it's not exactly natural to be jumping around with no
shoes on and no stability, so it was a whole Honestly,
(42:42):
it really changed the way I wrestled because instead of wrestling,
I started doing theater.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Right great and truly talk about iconic, you know, like
at least when you look back on it and you're like, Okay,
I can't believe I was able to do it, but
no one else was doing that.
Speaker 11 (43:00):
I was also single when I started doing that, and
that was really terrifying to me because I'm like, no
one is gonna date me. I'm really not gonna nobody
is going to date me. So I had just gone
on my first date with my husband, and I'm like,
and now, oh my god, I'm going on live TV
and I'm gonna like embarrass him and everyone's gonna talk
about this. And they did, but in such an amazing way,
(43:23):
Like I'll never forget when Randy Orton went up to
him in the locker room in front of all the
boys and was like, what the is this? This is incredible,
this is so crazy. Nobody's doing this.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
He's doing this and I can't believe that's your woman.
Speaker 11 (43:37):
And then he married me, and I was just as
much of a hot mess at the wedding.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So the hot mess is your version of engagement? Chicken?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I have a question from a wrestling standpoint, if you
wrestle barefoot, is that also a weakness?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Can they like footstomp you and stuff like that?
Speaker 11 (43:56):
Yeah, they can do anything. And also just like the
thought of having your dogs out like the on that
nasty canvas, like after the boys have been their sledding.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, he knows what fluids are on that canvas.
Speaker 11 (44:08):
I could name a couple, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
We don't want to do that. So guys, Chelsea is
from Victoria, British Columbia, so it's possible Boy Meets World
didn't get to you. Did you watch Boy Meets World?
Or were you degrassy?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
No?
Speaker 11 (44:22):
So it okay? No, I was not degrassy okay at all?
And in fact, I was shocked to learn that Drake
was on de Grassy like I that was how That's
how annected I was. I was a family channel girl,
so I kind of watched a little bit of everything,
but I wasn't a TV household. Like we're on the
West Coast. Yeah we're always outdoors hiking and everything. But
(44:46):
now I'm very like nostalgic about all things nineties two thousand's.
So I've gone back now and watched so yes, yes,
but I think that's better.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, So retroactively, what's your favorite ninety shi?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (45:00):
I mean, I guess I would have to say I
kind of Thursday nights for me in my house, that
was our night that we watched TV and it was
Survivor and Friends and back to.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Back Loves Survivor Huge.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Can you imagine if you can bine those two shows.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
And it's the cast of Friends on Survivor, it's a
great idea meets alone.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Just yeah, I would.
Speaker 11 (45:23):
I would love to see what just Aniston's hair looks
like in.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
The drinks exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Matt LeBlanc just you know, eating the stomach of some
elk gat awesome.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You mentioned you didn't you were in a big TV household,
But did you have any TV crushes when you were
a kid?
Speaker 11 (45:42):
I mean definitely Zach Morris Okay, and you know that's
what my husband named himself after. Zach Ryder from w
B is a Zach Morris reference. Yes, so that's an
interesting one.
Speaker 7 (45:58):
No.
Speaker 11 (45:59):
You know what I kind of started maybe thinking about
like crushes and stuff when like the Jonas Brothers Popped Popped.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
Off which Jonas did you?
Speaker 11 (46:10):
I mean, I think everyone was Joe until until you
got older, and then it shifts.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I don't know why I asked.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I don't know what the Jonas brothers are, but I
mean I've heard of the Jonas brothers, but I don't
if you like, how many brothers.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Are the fourth there's a bonus Jonas, but he's not
in the He's not in the group, so he's the
bonus Jonas.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
He's the young you imagine being the fourth Jonas brother
who isn't in the.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
And honestly, even the nickname bonus Jonas, there was like
time it was a little offensive.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, seriously, dude, pick up the cowbell, play a triangle.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
I mean, sus in the band?
Speaker 3 (46:45):
How hard is that? Oh? Man, No, that.
Speaker 11 (46:49):
Would be really sad. If he also had no musical skills.
We don't know that. We don't know that.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I think he does.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
He now has his own he's like on his he has.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
His own musical career.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
So the.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Bonus.
Speaker 11 (47:01):
I can't wait to google the bonus Jonas.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Oh yeah, I can't wait to google wiki feet. I
still don't know. I still don't entirely know what it is.
I know Daniel's big out on.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
No riders actually have.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
More feet more. My feet are disgusting.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
I never want to be barefoot ever in life, Like
I hate it, Like I wear boots like this is
this is me at the beach right. But but for
whatever reason, I have more wicked feet entries than he does.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
It does it is He's got the feet that can
bring the ring to Mortor and save us all.
Speaker 11 (47:34):
I've got very long toes, So I feel that I
that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
Yeah, I have nothing.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I keep submitting him. They keep sending them back. It's weird,
like we don't need this, We're good, thank you.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
I just fun fact, Black China makes like a million
dollars a month off her feet. Wow, so there's a market.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
She was our neighbor.
Speaker 7 (47:53):
She was literally our neighbor.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Literally, So you really paid your dues in what is
called indie wrestling, which I am a big supporter of.
And this means you're performing around the country in small
local events outside of a major company, which because of
the WWE Performance Center, is now not as common as
it used to be.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
What do you think you learned because of your indie roots?
Speaker 11 (48:17):
Oh my gosh, I mean how to perform for five people,
how to make the most out of absolutely nothing, how
to travel properly, how to come up with matches in
two seconds and work on the fly, And I mean
it was it.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Did you literally wrestle for five people?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I mean, was there was?
Speaker 7 (48:41):
They were that small?
Speaker 11 (48:42):
And actually it was. I would say probably three times
I wrestled for five people, and there's yeah, so much harder.
It is so much harder. And I realized that it
really like came to light when I had my first
WrestleMania and I walked out and I'm like, oh, this
is so much easier in front of eighty thousand people
than it is in front of twenty five. Like you
(49:05):
just you hear everything that they're thinking. They're saying it
out loud, You're hearing it. Do you see you look
at them in the eyes, which is kind of like.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
You can look at each one of them, and yeah,
it's very scary.
Speaker 11 (49:16):
It's very scary. You just Indie Wrestling has taught me wrestling,
and now I'm just now I'm just performing. Now, I'm
just like on autopilot, just like having fun. Yeah, And
I really have so much respect for everyone who wasn't
on the indies for a long time, I was all
like bitter Like some people they didn't have to do
any of that, they didn't have to fight to get here. No,
(49:39):
everyone had a different fight to get there, to get spotted, right.
And then also it's like now I realize I learned
everything on the indies and then just took it and
performed at ww whereas everyone else that came through the
performance center like they're scratching and clawing to get on
(49:59):
TV while trying to learn how to wrestle exactly, and
I just couldn't do that. The pressure is too much,
that's way too much.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Well, I mean that's like any performer, you know.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
The great performers are the ones who started in small
theater and started on stage and built up. Yeah, and
then when they get to the they've they've earned it
on the way up.
Speaker 11 (50:16):
And if he earned.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Every little over night success, yeah right, yeah overnight.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
This is something I really experienced this year, and not
even just with this title, but also all of a sudden,
a match from twenty eighteen or nineteen versus Pentagon came
to light and now Pentagon is at WWE, and everyone's like,
oh my god, she can do this and then I'm like,
I've been doing this since twenty fourteen, what do you mean? Yeah,
(50:44):
I mean I'll accept it. I'll take I'll take it all.
But it's like no, no, no, no, you can go
back on YouTube and exactly I've been trying to.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Do the selling to get here. Yes, so you eventually
ended up in Luca Underground as Reclusa, a hardcore intergender
bat so she wrestled due Crazy and now.
Speaker 11 (51:07):
The Fighter like the Yeah, I was a spidery dark character.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
And now with Penta in the WWE, do you ever
think you'll cross paths?
Speaker 11 (51:19):
I hope not. I hope to god not. That was
the most amazing, Like it would be like making a
sequel to the most perfectly made movie that there ever was.
And I know everyone keeps saying they want to see it,
and I totally understand that. I also understand that right
now I'm the comedic relief of WW and they want
(51:40):
to see like that serious side back, right, but like
this is how wrestling works, like we evolve. I'm not
in that phase of my life anymore. And that was
such a perfect storm of like I just went there
for a quick extra match and they asked me to
play this little part, and this little part turned into recluse.
(52:00):
That was so pivotal in that moment, and the match
was one of the best matches I've ever had, and
the crowd was amazing. It was like gritty and in
downtown La, off of skid Row, Like it was just
this like nasty, dark venue, and you just can't recreate that, right,
And you definitely can't recreate it in WWE. It's not
(52:23):
the same. It's not the same. And the storylines that
we had were so theatrical in Luca underground and gritty
and dark, and it's it's just not the same. So
I don't want to revisit it. I want everyone to
remember that moment. And you know what, Pentagon has asked
me a couple of times, like are we gonna are
(52:44):
we gonna run it back? And I'm like.
Speaker 7 (52:47):
No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
No, smartink, it's smart right, don't let it.
Speaker 11 (52:52):
Don't try because you know what will happen. They'll all
on it.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah right, exactly, right exactly, people begging for it will
then be bumbed it happened.
Speaker 11 (53:02):
I know how this works, exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
This is your first rodeo.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
What I Reclusa got left at the altar.
Speaker 11 (53:07):
Oh, well, that would be crazy, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Then, it's just.
Speaker 11 (53:12):
That would definitely be yeah. And you know what, Also,
I wore a very very very tiny outfit in Luke Underground.
I also don't need to revisit that.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Your journey to WWE also had some false starts. You
played extras, finished fourth on Tough Enough, went to NXT,
then smacked down for a year, and then you got released,
only to be rehired by WWE two years later.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Did you always think you'd be coming back?
Speaker 11 (53:42):
Yes, you knew it. I knew the minute they fired me.
So I got a call about three minutes before I
was fired from my husband saying you're about to get fired.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (53:52):
I just got a text like Chelsea's going to be called,
like she's like next on the list. So he gave
me the heads up and I'm very thankful. I'm not
an emotional person, so like I wouldn't have cried or
flew off the handle, but it just gave me a
split second to like yeah. So when they called me,
I was like, Okay, thank you. You know, hopefully I'll
see you in the future. And then I was like, oh,
(54:12):
I wrote down a list of to do's. This is
what I'm gonna do this, these are the places I
want to wrestle at, and kind of the accomplishments that
I didn't accomplish before. On my first indie run, I
wrote that list out. I started contacting them. I asked
WWE if they would let me go earlier. We have
like a ninety day clause. I asked them to release
me at sixty days. I took the pay cut, and
(54:35):
I was the first one out there on the indies,
and I hit all these I hit the list, and
then I came back mant but like, also, you know,
I am a very upfront person. Like people may think
I'm abrasive when I ask questions, but like I'm just
asking you a question because I feel like you'll just
answer it instead of beating around the bush. So I
(54:57):
just texted Hunter and asked for my job back. What's
the worst you can say?
Speaker 6 (55:01):
Right?
Speaker 7 (55:01):
No?
Speaker 10 (55:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Exactly?
Speaker 11 (55:04):
Who cares? So he says, no, Okay, Well I'm surviving,
I'm making money, I'm paying my bills. I'm fine. But
like if he doesn't know why I want to come back.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
How absolutely absolutely? Sitting around hoping for a phone call
versus picking up the phone yourself.
Speaker 11 (55:17):
And I have always asked for a job at WWE,
so I'm not changing my tune now. And you know,
for so long I got ripped apart on the Internet
for like telling, like letting people know that I was
asking for things, I was pitching things, I was coming
up with all these crazy ideas, and the Internet was like,
you're delusional. But like, that's why I'm here right with
(55:39):
this exactly because I just put it out there and
I'm not embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
So smart honestly, especially like I don't mean to make
this a gendered thing, but I know women especially I
feel in my experience because I have dealt with it myself.
I'll just speak from personal experience. Letting people know you
want something, you're asking for it. There is for some
reason it feels more desperate if you're a woman doing
(56:06):
it versus a man being like, this is what I want,
this is what I'm going after. And so to hear
you say that one is just so inspiring and like
such a good message.
Speaker 7 (56:17):
Women are nags, right, That's what it comes down to.
It's like that's not accurate.
Speaker 11 (56:22):
It was very interesting. I've I've had a lot of
ups and downs with with Twitter, and I've obviously.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Learned on Twitter it's shocking.
Speaker 11 (56:32):
Well, let me tell you something. I'm I'm in an
up part right now, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, because you know the crashes.
Speaker 11 (56:38):
Of course, because I was canceled two years ago. I
could have saved a puppy from drowning and they would
have canceled me. So it's just like, at this point,
I don't care what you think about me. I'm I'm
more than happy in my life and I go home
and I don't think about anything to do with work
or social media, and like, it's great, but it takes
a while to get there.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
And Will is speaking from experience as well. Will is
almost fifty years old and is just now getting to it.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
There's a great quote that's care what people think of you,
and you'll forever be their prisoner that So I just
came to the point where I don't care exactly.
Speaker 11 (57:15):
If you believe the hype, then you have to believe
they hate too. So I'm not going to believe anything
because I didn't believe it when they were canceling me,
so I'm not going to believe it when they think
all of a sudden, all of a sudden, Now my
pitches are amazing, and I'm right, I'm the smartest person. No, no, no,
because you canceled me two years ago for those pitches.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah exactly, Wow, well thank you for that. If you
had to book your own dream WrestleMania match, who are
you facing? Are there any stipulations? And is my husband's
bachelor party there?
Speaker 6 (57:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 11 (57:48):
Because they I mean they made all in with their
they were crazy, they were.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
You have no idea how much fun they had. It
was the great. It was literally the time of his life.
I mean, I'm still in the group chat. I'm sure
I go through my through my text messages.
Speaker 11 (58:04):
And find it.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
When you're done here, send send the group.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
You are kicked out of the Montel Jordan text. Nobody anymore.
Speaker 7 (58:10):
So Ryder and I text each other like we got
you and me, but that's what we got.
Speaker 11 (58:14):
Okay, So they'd be front row. It would be in Canada.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Great. I mean, even though you're wearing the US A jersey.
Speaker 11 (58:20):
To you know, I'm a I'm a patriototty okay, but
I claim everywhere, great claim everywhere.
Speaker 7 (58:27):
You know.
Speaker 11 (58:28):
I think I think I would do a very Canadian match,
a triple threat myself verse Natty versus Trish in Canada,
all Canadians.
Speaker 4 (58:44):
That literally, I will be planning.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
That's it.
Speaker 11 (58:52):
I think that would be like the ultimate Canadian moment.
But also I have to say, I have like been
dying for a hair verse hair match where I an
excuse to shave my head.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
I've been bagd.
Speaker 4 (59:02):
Wait, what is a hair versus hair.
Speaker 11 (59:04):
Matt loser gets their head shaved, literally shaves their head
in the ring the ring, and it's the most nasty
looking thing because you know, you only get like two
strips gone and then you look absolutely nuts. And that's
everything I've ever dreamed of. It is, Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 7 (59:21):
That's one of the things.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
You're so different. Dreams are not anywhere.
Speaker 11 (59:29):
I like, if I had a hair like you, I
too would never want to shave my head, so you know,
I understand that. But that is like a moment I need.
I need a hair verse hair matchic I need to
shave my head and then they need to change me
back into a crazy character with a shaved head.
Speaker 4 (59:44):
That's harse.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
I mean, you just put it out into the universe.
I'm going to be thinking about it for days. So
I'm just gonna start manifesting that for you.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
I really, I really am, Like, come on, so the
person who beats you gets to shave your Wow.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
I really love that.
Speaker 11 (59:58):
Yes, I really wanted it to be nicky Bella, but
that's okay, it's not. You know, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Take I was on the plane with her on the
way out here, and isn't she beautiful unbelievably unbelievably gorgeous,
bear faced perfection.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So shave her head, like shave my head. Shave so
you well, we don't know yet whoever wins.
Speaker 11 (01:00:16):
Well, i'm she wants spoiler alert, it's gonna be the
worst wrestling for me ever.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
That's crazy.
Speaker 11 (01:00:23):
And the best word is like, you know, I have
a husband, so.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
He has to has to like you anyway, whether.
Speaker 11 (01:00:28):
I have a peanut head or not, because we don't
know what's under here, that's the way. And I have
big forehead, so like, I fear that it won't be good,
but I think that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
It's part of the dream.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Is there wiki hair? Is that a thing?
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
There will be?
Speaker 11 (01:00:43):
There's gonna be a wiki forehead shaving my head?
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Elsey, thank you so much. For being here. I oh,
we've done. I know it went very fast, but boy,
we have so enjoyed having you.
Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, just best
of luck to you. Can't wait to see you shave
your head.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 11 (01:01:03):
Can't wait to see the peanut heads.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I can't wait to see it all the lumps
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Welcome to our second jam packed Interview episode for you.
We are very very excited to bring Mark Henry. What
an incredible personality athlete.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, he was so funny and the things he was
telling us that he did and was able to accomplish,
just in heavy things to lift.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We looked up.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We just watched his video of the Thomas Inch Dumbell
that he was telling.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Us about that he was then able to lift over
his head.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Crazy, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, I encourage all of you when you hear the
interview and you get to that part, look up that
YouTube clip because it's pretty remarkable. And then we have
Chelsea Green, the only woman to attend my husband's bachelor
party back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yes, and what an incredible story she.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Has of perseverance, Yeah, of using her talents to come
up with unique characters and gimmicks but that really work
and make it special.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, she came up with some really kind of off
the wall characters that all of us were talking about
afterwards as just what a cool backstory to you know, Well,
I don't want to ruin it, but you know, just
think about her dress.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, she's telling us about it, how it changes after
every match.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
It was just so all the little details we're thinking about.
You were saying that if I was a wrestler, i'd
be the professor. Yeah, I think I should just be angst.
Oh oh that's great, just the angst. That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Every time, like everybody comes out to this big music,
but you're always.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Just in the corner kind of just saying by your
and like they want. They'd interview me before match and
just be like, I'm just too much. Man, I just can't.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I can't even go would be thunder and rain, Oh
I love it.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm just too deep for this.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We should be two wrestlers that never actually wrest I
just sit in the corner and a rock, That's.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I'm always just like I'm not kidding in that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So that's we can have the characters because we have
the talent portion with the acting, but not so much
with the athleticism.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It seems like you need.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Kind of the whole package.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You definitely need both, sure, but I think you guys
are onto something. Try to be wrestlers without any any
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Hey, I've gone through this much of my life without
any athletics.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
All right, everyone enjoyed this episode. Our next guest is
an absolute legend, whether as a two time Olympic power lifter,
(03:01):
as a Pan American Games winner of a gold, a silver,
and a bronze medal, or as a multi time US
national champion and winner of the two thousand and two
Arnold Schwarzenegger Strongman Classic. I mean, Will won in two
thousand and eight, but we are just not as impressive
as yeah, yeah, you were sick that year, right, And
(03:25):
then starting in nineteen ninety six, he entered the WWE
and he has never looked back. He's a former World
Heavyweight Champion and he was inducted into the WWE Hall
of Fame in twenty eighteen. It would be impossible to
summarize the Attitude era or the late nineties and two
thousands without mentioning this absolute superstar. So you can now
(03:46):
hear him on the Busted Open podcast available on Sirius
Radio and wherever you get your podcasts. He is the
world's strongest man. Welcome to pod meets World, Mark Henry,
thank you so much for joining us this morning.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Who wrote my Wikipedia But it's just rotten. I'm gonna
have to I'm gonna have to actually do it because
like they mixed. I did three sports, okay, powerlifting, weightlifting,
and strong man, and you know, thank god I was
able to win at all of them. And the what
(04:27):
it sounds like bragging when I say it, but it's
like the powerlifting World I was world champion. The Olympic
Weightlifting World and powerlifting are completely different. It's like bad
midton and tennis, you know, they just they both have rackets,
they both have nets. But and the Olympic weightlifting, I
(04:53):
was national champion, but I was not world champion. Uh
and strong man I was world champion.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I don't know what strong man.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Strong Man is like an athletic, Like they just take
implements like who can lift this heavy rock?
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Don't you have to pull a bus?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Isn't that strong man?
Speaker 8 (05:11):
Like it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well I would have said a pull of train, but
that that might sound bad, but we've done it all
and it's it's funny that like the yoke, Like people
say what's a yoke, and it's like, oh, you put
something on your neck and you carry, like there's a
(05:33):
timber carry, there's a frame carry and all of these
are eight hundred pounds implements that you have to pick
up and then walk with, you know. And then you've
seen the movie of Conan. Yeah, you know, so they
have an apparatus called the Conan Wheel. Yeah. The more
you twist, the more you turn, the harder it gets.
(05:53):
And uh, and then they measure how many reputations that
you go.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Did you the the keke tar like.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Height?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So how do you train for that?
Speaker 9 (06:04):
Do you do?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know all these events before you go in, or
you know, you.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Know before, but you know, like the competitions vary, so
you might go to one competition and it might be
real heavy and pressing implements, or you know, this one
might be pulling things right, you know, so it's it's
different and you just have to be versatile. And I
was because of my leticism. It just takes. It was
(06:30):
tailor made for me.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Wow, there's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
If you've never watched a strong man competition, they're really
you just get sucked in. I mean they're really because
you're going this it seems superhuman, right, I mean to
grab a keg and throw it up over their head
and it's good. It's for height, so their talk, it's
really an amazing thing.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You just like a seven hundred pounds all drum, like
you know, like you see it, you see it on
the ground, you go, wow, why is there a big
ol drum right here? And there are people gonna lift it?
And they go.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
How Yeah, it's amazing and.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's a technique to it. It's like you have to
start going through you know, Okay, I have to push
this forward and get my knees under it and then
hug it and pull it to me and do it.
So I've been I've been blessed to do things that
no other human walking the planet has been able to do.
Still to this day.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
What's the most what's the heaviest thing you've ever lifted?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Uh? The Thomas inch dumbbell is. It's a three inch handle,
one hundred and seventy two point five pound dumbbell and
for years and years people couldn't even pull it off
the ground. It was kind of like Thor's hammer. And
(07:46):
then the first time I touched it, you know, I
did Arnold Schwarzenegger's competition at the on a Classic, and
I was so disappointed that I couldn't lift it over
my head, and they were like, hey, man, you just
lifted something off the ground to your waist that people
(08:07):
haven't lifted in like fifty years. And I'm like still disappointed,
right right, You're like the ruler.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Of Asgard now, so I don't understand what the problem is.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So I was like, I'm lifting over my head next year.
And in the calendar year, I lifted it. Wow, and
nobody's been able to do it since.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
So wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I love the expression that y'all have.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Well, yeah, because it's it's superhuman.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Really, we always talk comic books and superheroes and it
is people that are superhuman.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
You're one of them. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, that's pretty incredible.
Speaker 10 (08:44):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
There's a lot of work that go into it because
I've spent my I had a lot of talent, but
I spent my life working like I don't And you know,
I hate I hate losing. I would rather not lose
than win. Right.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
People think, wait a minute, that's kind of odd, Like
what do you mean I cry when I lose? Yeah,
like I can't sleep, Like I'm telling you it's a sickness,
and people laugh. My wife she's just like, oh my god,
let him win, me and the family playing and I lose.
Speaker 11 (09:28):
Oh no, right in.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
The house, know that I'm just gonna go over there
and power.
Speaker 11 (09:32):
No one wants to play games with you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I can't wait Monopoly. I can't do nothing if I.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Lose your toys and go home.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but that it made it made me great.
Now I thank God for it.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well, thank you for being here with us on WrestleMania Weekend.
You have had so many amazing WrestleMania moments over the years. Uh,
is there anything like WrestleMania makes it so special?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's the spectacle of it. It's the fact that, you know,
you people come from all over the where I'm I
sat and talked to a guy from Singapore yesterday and
he barely could speak English, and he started crying, and
I was like, man, what's what's up. He's like, He's like,
I just can't believe I'm in America. I'm at WrestleMania.
(10:24):
It was a big.
Speaker 12 (10:25):
Damn And people come from every little small place in
the world because they've seen it on TV or they
watched it on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And they finally get here, Like it's just a special
thing and it's not like the Olympics or the Arnal
Classic or you know, the NBA Championships and stuff, where
it's only important to people in that genre or people
in that country. You know, I don't know nothing about
cricket or you know a lot of rugby and so forth.
(11:00):
But I'm sure that there's some people that take it really,
really seriously. Everybody takes wrestle serious. Yeah, like that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, well one of the things that like, this is
Will's only second wrestling event ever. He went to the
premiere of Raw on Netflix that was his first. This
is Writer's first ever wrestling event ever, and both of
their first WrestleMania so Saturday. Yes, he's never even been
(11:30):
to a wrestling show.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's like going to Carnegie Hall and performance. Yes, I'm excited.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I'm excited, Ma.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You get to go to WrestleMania first.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, it's like your first super Bowl. It's like your
first football game ever. It is the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And he has his ten year old son here with him,
who it's also his first wrestling show. So it's going
to be a family affair.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Because your kid is going to go to a live
event and go where's the Pyroe.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But he'll be into it because of the character. So
one of the one of the things that they have
both really gravitated to with the with the or the
storylines and and the understanding that each of you are
not only doing what we've been doing our entire lives,
acting and performing, but you're also doing it while being
incredibly athletic.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
We talked about in little.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Tiny clothes in front of everybody, and something we all
have in common that I wanted to ask you about
is we've all had this experience where you build a
reputation for yourself, you're doing something, and then all of
a sudden you get a script to become sexual chocolate
and serenade an eighty year old woman.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And let me stop you. Okay. Sometimes people suggest that
and hand you a script created sexual jog.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Okay, see good, that is on. That's the thing that's
unlike what we get to do the do.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
They invested a lot of money in me, and they
were like, look, we want you to be serious, and
I was like, no, I want to do comedy. No,
you're an olympian. We want you to do this. And
I was like, listen, I beg you to see the vision.
Let me do this. You won't be entertained, like and
(13:27):
they allowed me to do it, and here it is
thirty five years later, and uh, every.
Speaker 12 (13:34):
I can't go nowhere without people to people.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Hey, chocolate, and that's so great, Like we love that
so much that you that you have the freedom. They
pushed back, but you you won, and that some of
Like I think everybody we've interviewed today, their most iconic
moments they created and that came from that.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, And it just goes to show you that like
wrestling now having it finally it's been it's.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Felt niche for so long, and now it's really starting
to feel like it's starting to become for the masses.
And one of the things I'd like for our industry
to learn is the fact that when you trust your
talent enough to let them make their make some of
their own decisions, and you can really it can really
(14:27):
be for everybody.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Okay, I have a question.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You're so your training you're an Olympic athlete.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Was professional wrestling always something you wanted to do or
was this something you found after.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I had no idea.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I was a wrestling fan. My grandmother and I share that,
and I never nobody else in my family watches wrestling. Okay,
I've twenty eight years of pro wrestling. Nobody's ever asked
me for a ticket for Wrestlmingia really never. I'm I
(15:01):
always go on record as probably saying twenty five times
I had a family member come to a show. They
just don't care. Wow. Like it's like wrestling is not
a thing for my grandmother. Oh my god. She was
ate up and we used to get on the Greyhound
bus and go to Louisiana and go to Houston and
(15:24):
go to Beaumont to the Civic Center and watch wrestling.
And that was just our thing. And you know, I
watched wrestling all through college and around that time, I
used to every competition there's a video on. You know,
the internet is undefeated. I did these celebrity slam dunk
(15:49):
contests back in the day, and I dunked and I
started posing and flexing and getting the crowd hype. And
then WW was like that dude needs to wrestle, and
so I got contacted. I was the first developmental wrestler.
They didn't have a f c w R Ohio Valley
(16:11):
Performance Center. Vincent saw me in and j R. And
was like, bring him up go get that dude.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Did your did your grandmother ever get a chance to
see you wressell?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Oh? My god, yeah, I'm glad that she lived to
see me wrestle, probably about six years and would come
to shows and I heard my mom and and and
just like she would laugh a lot because it was
me doing it.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Breaks the fantasy when.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Somebody else was. She was so.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
And I'm like, why you laugh about You ain't gonna
hurt No, It's like, oh, Grandma, don't believe.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You were outside the WWE for a little, you were
working elsewhere after being with this company for decades, and
here you are Siberia. What's the most important thing you
learned while dabbling with others for a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think the most important thing is there's unbelievable talent everywhere,
but without proper leadership and direction and focus, you can't succeed.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Right, So smart, leave it right there? Leave it there,
all right?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You have seen a lot of wrestlers come and go
in the amount of time that you have been doing
what you do. What is the worst thing someone very
green can do in their first few months not care.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
If you if you fail, you better show me that
you're morseful. You be able to show me that you're
trying to get better and you're sorry that you made
a mistake. And the people that's like, oh, well something
you can't make omelet I breaking a few eggs. Those
people get that kicked right. Like all wrestlers feel the
(18:17):
same exact way. It is nothing your life. Every one
of their lives in my hands. They I have a
friend that passed away a year and a half ago
that was paralyzed from the neck down for the last
seventeen to twenty years, and he was never bitter about it.
(18:41):
He was like, hey, man, I got a bad beat.
It happened. Its yeah, And I was actually standing at
ringside when it happened. And he was never better. Darren Drosdorf,
he started off as puke and because when he got
(19:01):
nervously throughout.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
He was he was puke.
Speaker 11 (19:04):
He was in the documentary where with You're kidding.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Paralyzed.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
That and it just it was, it just it was bad.
But he was never bitter about it, and he was like,
it's not his fault. Like I tried to put the
mustard on the hot dog and I ruined it. And
I hurt myself in the process, and it's it's hard
(19:31):
to wake up every day and realize you can't do
nothing about that. But if that person's life is in
your hands, the last thing you want to do is
do something and not be responsible and not be understanding
(19:51):
that you know, things can't go wrong. And I've seen
a lot of wrestlers not care and that that's that's
the suckiest of it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, just get out of here with that.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Can you think of a wrestler that you saw up
and coming that you were like, this person is going
to be huge and then they just never got their shot.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Really, Oh, there's been a lot of them, I think,
like looks and talent wise. That was a girl named
Linda Miles. She played a character named Schanik what it
was with the Bashing Brothers and I just knew she
was Jay Cargill before j But she just didn't like wrestling.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's a problem.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I want to do that. She she wanted to do
things her way, not the way that the company wanted
to do. They you can't go to McDonald's and make
a whopper, right, ye, Like it's they company do what
they want you to do and go home, take your check.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But especially when you're just getting started to ingratiate yourself
a little bit, make yourself making how you does exactly.
So Will has been steadily working out for all, I mean,
most of his life. He's in great shape, but he's
really striving to get you around.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Round is a shape, so we're honest. So yeah, we
look like ten, it's a shape.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
His goal is to feel comfortable taking his shirt off.
Do you have any suggestions for a man who's pushing
fifty who wants to get in the best shape of
a different way?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
This question?
Speaker 10 (21:49):
Man, is there a way to ask a decrepit falling.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Strange?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Listen, I've been around wrestling. I seen five hundred and
sixty pounds with no shirt on. So like, you gotta
just take it as it goes. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Nobody's gonna judge you if your performance is great.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Okay, So I could be Will dra the giant.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh, let's work on the.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Figure something out.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But like I wouldn't say the giant with a J.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Giant with a J.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
That's my hook.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
We're gonna work on Okay, workshop, But if workouts don't
take you to be in the gym for three hours.
You know. It's consistency over time, you know. So if
you can do three hundred reps every day, reps every day,
(22:57):
that's nothing. That's five five sets.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, Okay, you do you do five of twenty five okay.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And the upper body like some curls, some overhead presses,
some bench presses, some lattle raisers, some rows, some whatever,
and then you do one hundred reps. There's one hundred
set ups. You can do one hundred squads or fifty
squads or twenty five lunches and then twenty five leg
(23:26):
curls like something. You're done with three hundred. Like you know,
my coach always said, if you could jump over broomstick,
you can stay in jake. So like you just keep
jumping over the broomstick.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
So my first goal is jumping over the broomstick.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Start there. It don't take a.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Lot, okay, And then I could lift that arnold bar.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, let's not get over zeps.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Now, your son, Jacob Henry has signed a deal with
the WWE were you always supportive of him following in
your footsteps?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah? Because he loved it, and I know He's going
to be really good because there's steady habits, you know,
the questions he asked, and his knowledge of the force
if you will. He knows history, and in order to
(24:22):
know where you're going, you got to know where you
came from. And a lot of athletes don't have that.
They just have the I want to make me dollar.
I want to look real good so I can get
the girls, you know, like or whatever it is, or
the guy as for that matter. And Jacob is like,
(24:44):
I want to be a star. And the only person
that I've known that have that same kind of just
unbridled I want to be better than you was The Rock.
And we live together for almost a year nine months,
and Dwayne had the most incredible study habits. I have
(25:10):
a saw I mean he had. I went on to
talk about his shortcomings, but study habits and work ethic.
There ain't nobody on the planet that's going to work here, nobody,
arnold any If you've been great in your life, you
cannot compete with the Rock and work there.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Wow, that's so that's so cool. Now you are on
Serious XM with Busted Open Radio, the podcast, still watching
a lot of wrestling, fifteen hours a week.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Really, Wow, I watched every brand and wrestling in the world, man, and.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Stuff that I shouldn't watch. Really, I've seen some wrestling
that definitely killed brains up.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
If we had to bet, we're in Vegas. If we
had to bet on a young superstar who's going to
be the next Rock or Roman reigns or see him punk?
Who do we put our money on?
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Will Drew the Giant? I thought we've established this.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
If we not established that, I thought we're.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
In the conversation. I can't I can't miss this. Jacob
fi too, Okay, can't miss o man, Like you could
tell that he love it and he's really good at it,
and the stuff that he does without thinking is great.
(26:42):
Its just it's a trip to me to watch my
find myself watching him going dude, is that like he
just he just gets your attention, I guess. On On
the On the on the women's side, j Car Gill
(27:04):
has got so much potential to be what every female
wrestler should want to aspire to be. Charlotte Flair, the
greatest female wrestler of all time. I think Jade has
that potential plus the best entertainer right right in women's wrestling,
(27:28):
which I think you can put China up there. We'll
being a great entertainer absolutely, and to be able to
do both.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's exactly it. That's what we were talking about. That's
so incredible is that to really be at the top
of your game, you have to excel in both.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, you got you both.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and then all the travel on top of it,
and yeah, it's so what you guys do is really remarkable.
What's one thing you'd like to see disappear from wrestling
in twenty twenty five and what do you want to
see more.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Of disappear from wrestling? I want to I want people
to stop diving through the ropes without knowing how to
do it properly. Okay, there's several things in wrestling that
people are doing. It's really dangerous and they don't know
how to do it.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
If you're going to do it, go to the hunter.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
And say, listen, there's five people that can do it
really well. All the rest of y'all can't do it
no more. Right, Like, there's a bunch of moves like
that needs to be the greatest people at it. Hey,
y'all keep on doing it. All the rest of y'all
until I give you permission. Y'all want to see you
(28:42):
do it again.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Or out your lights go right right? I like how
important it is to you that everybody stay safe, because,
like you said, it really is people's lives on the
line in the ring.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I've seen people risk that. It happened not long ago.
I'm not mass you no names because I don't want
to point the way out. But a girl dove through
the ropes, plunt her through the ropes to the floor,
and the girl on the rope on the floor saved
her life. It looked like too because she stopped wrestling.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Right and had to catch her right so ron dart
into the ground, and like she shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
The agent should have said, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
So it's a lot of personal responsibility that we got
to do to take care of each other, and the
ring should be everybody sanctuary. Yeah, you should treat it
like that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
What's something you'd like to see more of silliness?
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I want to see people make a fool.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
Out of themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Anthony Morelli Santino, you know, just selfless, just funny without
trying to be funny, just I'm going to make a
fool out of myself going one hundred miles an hour
and hope everybody like it. Yes, and that's wrestling. Need that, Yeah,
and everybody want to look good and be cool. Tired
(30:20):
of cool people?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, let's bring back someself.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I want to see.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
That your advice is the inverse of each other. It's like,
on the one hand, you want people to pull back
on the physical and like be very careful.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
No, I don't want him to risk. I want him
to have a comedic and uh and a fear that
Like you go to a Broadway show and if it's
a one man's show, John leg Ozamo, you've ever seen
this one man show? Google John leg Ozamo and look
at this one man show. He's on stage, just him.
He did five characters in about thirty seconds and they
(30:55):
all made me laugh. Right, that's what wrestling. A guy
a girl that could perform and get your attention, be passionate. John,
like Examo cried, laughed and and and was like I
don't even know where I am right now? Like what
am I?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
What was I talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Do you remember what I was saying? Like he interactive?
There needs to be more interaction than wrestling too. We
we produce it so that you go, go go, but
wrestling is not that Historically wrestling is the term broadway
comes from wrestling, you know. So you have to be
(31:36):
able to perform big motions and let people get it
as they get it, you know, going you get it,
you get it. Takes away from the joke.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Right, you have a long history with this guy. What
have you thought about seen A's heel turn.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I told y'all he was rotten. Everybody was mad at hey, Mark,
Why you do that to him? He deserved it? I
think that is awesome. Yeah, talk about versatility.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You know another guy that works incredibly hard. But John
is just inherently smart too. Yeah, so it's not like
he has to outwork you. He's just better than you.
Some people just good and he's one of those people.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I want to end on a rapid fire note. I'm
gonna let's hear your predictions on a few matches. Okay,
gunther versus JAUSO violent?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Oh violent, this is gonna be. Jay's gonna have to
earn his bones because I don't think he's had a
match yet.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like what gun could bring My son's a big ja
So fan. Yes, that's his guy, all right. How about
Living Rock hel versus Bailey and Lyra.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I think that that's another one that's a great entertainer,
that that Live She is locked in.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, she's our pod meets World champion so yeah current yeah, Current,
that means that, Yeah, she could be out of there.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
How it's going with the organization before.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
She's got a lot of personality and like you talk
about making fool out of yourself, she don't mind. I
love it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, she's willing to go silly. How about Io Sky
versus Bianca, bell Air versus Ria Ripley Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
EO will come here and beat you up if she
heard you say?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, eo, thank you?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Is very talented and underrated. And I'm going with her. Okay,
like she needs to have more, uh runway to do more?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Okay, Punk versus Rawlins versus Roman.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Rains very complicated.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm a pump fan, Okay, so yeah, but I want
to see.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And I want set Rollins to get bay him and
and I'm just gonna stop right there because everything else
I say is going to be very critical.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
What you say it on your own podcast.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I don't know. I don't want.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And then finally Cody versina.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I want Cody to to win, and I want John
Cena to do what evil people do. And that's just lie.
You said he was gonna retire. I'm not retiring, y'all, suckers.
I mean lied to get the opportunity to do what
(34:58):
I'm doing right now. I main invented WrestleMania. It ain't
nothing you could do about it. And then I'm gonna
make your life miserable until I win. Nobody's winning until
I win. It was always my philosophy. If I lost
a fight as a little kid growing.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Up, yeah, I'm gonna make you me tomorrow too.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Eventually you go say, look, okay.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
Just take it because I'm gonna make your life miserable
and that and that's the character that I want.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
John to become.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Wow, I lied. I have one more question for you.
I mentioned that this is their first WrestleMania. What advice
do you have for them tomorrow to make the most
of their experience?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
To take it in and act. Don't analyze, Okay, like.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
You're very good at that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I believe that when you analyze, you take your eye
off being in suspended belief and it happens to me
all the time, like I want to, Oh, man, I
want to just watch it. Yeah, and I'll start writing
notes for tomorrow for the show, and I'm like, once
I start analyzing it totally, so I say, just going there.
(36:25):
Get you some popcorn and Eminem's because I can't.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Eat popcorn without something sweet.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
They go together like peanut butter joke, and enjoy yourself, like.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
It's okay to embrace the fantasy.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yes, it's okay to embrace the fantasy.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
You watch Marvels, Yeah, I love that stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I guess so deep sometimes in the series that it's
hard for me to convince myself that is a movie.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
That's good though.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's how you should.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I love your I would, for the record, like to
say that I wear that on my biceps. It's beautiful.
I absolutely love it and truly thank you so much
for being here with us. You are one of a
(37:25):
kind and it was really great having the opportunity to
talk to you. So thank you.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
Well, gentlemen, another champion has arrived, so everybody act cool.
Our guest is the inaugural w w E Women's US
Champion and a former women's tag team champion who has
quickly become a bright shining light on SmackDown, and though
she is a genuine heel, she somehow attended my husband's
(38:07):
bachelor party.
Speaker 11 (38:09):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (38:12):
In the podcast, Chelsea Green, everyone how you were the
only woman.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Allowed at my husband's bachelor party.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
Okay, So first of all, I had no idea what
was going on, but the boys went to all In.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yes, his bachelor party was at all in In.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
Okay, so all In is I'm so glad you asked. Yeah,
so thank you for asking. It is the biggest and
best independent wrestling show to ever be put on. This
was like the first little snippet of what would be
aw but we didn't know that at the time. It
(38:49):
was just the biggest independent show. It was in Chicago.
It was at the All State Arena, and that was
the first time that like indie wrestlers had filled up
an arena exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
And so they Jensen took a bunch of guys they
went all In.
Speaker 11 (39:04):
It was a front row.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
They sat front row, and then the entire group fell
in love with Chelsea and was like she's the coolest
and one of Jensen's friends, Nano, then secretly added her
to the weekends group the group chat. Yes, so she
was in the group chat.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
That nickname or is he just really small?
Speaker 11 (39:28):
But it isn't large.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Though, it's not a large man.
Speaker 11 (39:30):
No, that we're discussing.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Not at this point. I'm sure he's happy we're talking
about that. He's a small man named Nano.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Okay. Checking.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
And at that time you went by hot Mess Chelsea
Green was.
Speaker 11 (39:42):
I was a little like, okay, this was man. There's
a lot to them at So at the beginning of
twenty seventeen, I had evolved into this hot Mess character
that was a jilted bride left at the old So
I led great. I wrestled in a wedding dress. Oh,
(40:05):
the wedding dress got dirtier and dirtier and shorter and shorter,
and I got more and more disheveled. My makeup was everywhere,
hair was everywhere, and I wrestled barefoot. It was honestly, I.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Come, it's brilliant.
Speaker 11 (40:16):
So it was like a Wiki feet dream.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yes, there you go, exactly. You probably have more Wiki
feet pictures than I did.
Speaker 11 (40:23):
I bet I do, maybe well maybe. So then when
I got asked to do all in, I'm like, what
can I do? That's different? That people haven't seen. This
could be the start of like the next kind of
iteration of this character. So I really I just watched
Split with James McAvoy. I was obsessed with a Split
(40:43):
personality and no one was letting me do it. So
I'm like, I'm gonna do it all in. So I
had gear that was half like a hot girl diva
moment and then half a bride a bride left of
the altar, and then this side of my face was
like the makeup was crazy, this side.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Was good hair dish.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
It was so much fun. So when they saw me,
it was like a drunk girl wrestling. Wow, it was
all over the place. It was a lot. There was
a lot going on, lot going on, and I didn't
really know what I was doing, but like I knew
I was having fun, and I knew in this match
probably everyone was going to look the same except me. Yeah,
(41:21):
we'll we wear a bunch of brunette girls. Like, what's different.
We're all four white brunette girls, five ot eight. There's
not much there other than that. So I just kind
of like took a little chance, came out to kind
of crazy rock wedding music, and that was the beginning
of then the split personality.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Jeez, I love it so much.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
It's so great.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Okay, wait, I have a question.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
When you're designing the wedding dress to wrestle in, is
it function over style? Can you still wrestle while you're
wearing a wedding dress? How did that work?
Speaker 11 (41:55):
The problem with wrestling is like you don't know what
next week is going to bring. So when I wore
this wedding dress, we had no idea that I was
going to be wrestling in it for the next year.
So we just had a wedding dress. And in fact,
the wedding dress was much more functional before we altered
it to make it sexy. So we were trying to
like add a little pizaz to it. So we cut
(42:16):
the sleeves off and we added like a key hole
right here.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Boys won't know, but yeah, I get it.
Speaker 11 (42:21):
And then I ended up having to wrestle in it
for a year, and we kind of had to slowly
start figuring out ways to keep it on and in tact. Yeah,
and you know, I had also never wrestled barefoot, Like
it's not exactly natural to be jumping around with no
shoes on and no stability, so it was a whole Honestly,
(42:42):
it really changed the way I wrestled because instead of wrestling,
I started doing theater.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Right great and truly talk about iconic, you know, like
at least when you look back on it and you're like, Okay,
I can't believe I was able to do it, but
no one else was doing that.
Speaker 11 (43:00):
I was also single when I started doing that, and
that was really terrifying to me because I'm like, no
one is gonna date me. I'm really not gonna nobody
is going to date me. So I had just gone
on my first date with my husband, and I'm like,
and now, oh my god, I'm going on live TV
and I'm gonna like embarrass him and everyone's gonna talk
about this. And they did, but in such an amazing way,
(43:23):
Like I'll never forget when Randy Orton went up to
him in the locker room in front of all the
boys and was like, what the is this? This is incredible,
this is so crazy. Nobody's doing this.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
He's doing this and I can't believe that's your woman.
Speaker 11 (43:37):
And then he married me, and I was just as
much of a hot mess at the wedding.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So the hot mess is your version of engagement? Chicken?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I have a question from a wrestling standpoint, if you
wrestle barefoot, is that also a weakness?
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Can they like footstomp you and stuff like that?
Speaker 11 (43:56):
Yeah, they can do anything. And also just like the
thought of having your dogs out like the on that
nasty canvas, like after the boys have been their sledding.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, he knows what fluids are on that canvas.
Speaker 11 (44:08):
I could name a couple, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
We don't want to do that. So guys, Chelsea is
from Victoria, British Columbia, so it's possible Boy Meets World
didn't get to you. Did you watch Boy Meets World?
Or were you degrassy?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
No?
Speaker 11 (44:22):
So it okay? No, I was not degrassy okay at all?
And in fact, I was shocked to learn that Drake
was on de Grassy like I that was how That's
how annected I was. I was a family channel girl,
so I kind of watched a little bit of everything,
but I wasn't a TV household. Like we're on the
West Coast. Yeah we're always outdoors hiking and everything. But
(44:46):
now I'm very like nostalgic about all things nineties two thousand's.
So I've gone back now and watched so yes, yes,
but I think that's better.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, So retroactively, what's your favorite ninety shi?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (45:00):
I mean, I guess I would have to say I
kind of Thursday nights for me in my house, that
was our night that we watched TV and it was
Survivor and Friends and back to.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Back Loves Survivor Huge.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Can you imagine if you can bine those two shows.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
And it's the cast of Friends on Survivor, it's a
great idea meets alone.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Just yeah, I would.
Speaker 11 (45:23):
I would love to see what just Aniston's hair looks
like in.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
The drinks exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Matt LeBlanc just you know, eating the stomach of some
elk gat awesome.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You mentioned you didn't you were in a big TV household,
But did you have any TV crushes when you were
a kid?
Speaker 11 (45:42):
I mean definitely Zach Morris Okay, and you know that's
what my husband named himself after. Zach Ryder from w
B is a Zach Morris reference. Yes, so that's an
interesting one.
Speaker 7 (45:58):
No.
Speaker 11 (45:59):
You know what I kind of started maybe thinking about
like crushes and stuff when like the Jonas Brothers Popped Popped.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
Off which Jonas did you?
Speaker 11 (46:10):
I mean, I think everyone was Joe until until you
got older, and then it shifts.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I don't know why I asked.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I don't know what the Jonas brothers are, but I
mean I've heard of the Jonas brothers, but I don't
if you like, how many brothers.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Are the fourth there's a bonus Jonas, but he's not
in the He's not in the group, so he's the
bonus Jonas.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
He's the young you imagine being the fourth Jonas brother
who isn't in the.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
And honestly, even the nickname bonus Jonas, there was like
time it was a little offensive.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, seriously, dude, pick up the cowbell, play a triangle.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
I mean, sus in the band?
Speaker 3 (46:45):
How hard is that? Oh? Man, No, that.
Speaker 11 (46:49):
Would be really sad. If he also had no musical skills.
We don't know that. We don't know that.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I think he does.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
He now has his own he's like on his he has.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
His own musical career.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
So the.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Bonus.
Speaker 11 (47:01):
I can't wait to google the bonus Jonas.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Oh yeah, I can't wait to google wiki feet. I
still don't know. I still don't entirely know what it is.
I know Daniel's big out on.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
No riders actually have.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
More feet more. My feet are disgusting.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
I never want to be barefoot ever in life, Like
I hate it, Like I wear boots like this is
this is me at the beach right. But but for
whatever reason, I have more wicked feet entries than he does.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
It does it is He's got the feet that can
bring the ring to Mortor and save us all.
Speaker 11 (47:34):
I've got very long toes, So I feel that I
that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
Yeah, I have nothing.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I keep submitting him. They keep sending them back. It's weird,
like we don't need this, We're good, thank you.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
I just fun fact, Black China makes like a million
dollars a month off her feet. Wow, so there's a market.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
She was our neighbor.
Speaker 7 (47:53):
She was literally our neighbor.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Literally, So you really paid your dues in what is
called indie wrestling, which I am a big supporter of.
And this means you're performing around the country in small
local events outside of a major company, which because of
the WWE Performance Center, is now not as common as
it used to be.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
What do you think you learned because of your indie roots?
Speaker 11 (48:17):
Oh my gosh, I mean how to perform for five people,
how to make the most out of absolutely nothing, how
to travel properly, how to come up with matches in
two seconds and work on the fly, And I mean
it was it.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Did you literally wrestle for five people?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I mean, was there was?
Speaker 7 (48:41):
They were that small?
Speaker 11 (48:42):
And actually it was. I would say probably three times
I wrestled for five people, and there's yeah, so much harder.
It is so much harder. And I realized that it
really like came to light when I had my first
WrestleMania and I walked out and I'm like, oh, this
is so much easier in front of eighty thousand people
than it is in front of twenty five. Like you
(49:05):
just you hear everything that they're thinking. They're saying it
out loud, You're hearing it. Do you see you look
at them in the eyes, which is kind of like.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
You can look at each one of them, and yeah,
it's very scary.
Speaker 11 (49:16):
It's very scary. You just Indie Wrestling has taught me wrestling,
and now I'm just now I'm just performing. Now, I'm
just like on autopilot, just like having fun. Yeah, And
I really have so much respect for everyone who wasn't
on the indies for a long time, I was all
like bitter Like some people they didn't have to do
any of that, they didn't have to fight to get here. No,
(49:39):
everyone had a different fight to get there, to get spotted, right.
And then also it's like now I realize I learned
everything on the indies and then just took it and
performed at ww whereas everyone else that came through the
performance center like they're scratching and clawing to get on
(49:59):
TV while trying to learn how to wrestle exactly, and
I just couldn't do that. The pressure is too much,
that's way too much.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Well, I mean that's like any performer, you know.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
The great performers are the ones who started in small
theater and started on stage and built up. Yeah, and
then when they get to the they've they've earned it
on the way up.
Speaker 11 (50:16):
And if he earned.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Every little over night success, yeah right, yeah overnight.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
This is something I really experienced this year, and not
even just with this title, but also all of a sudden,
a match from twenty eighteen or nineteen versus Pentagon came
to light and now Pentagon is at WWE, and everyone's like,
oh my god, she can do this and then I'm like,
I've been doing this since twenty fourteen, what do you mean? Yeah,
(50:44):
I mean I'll accept it. I'll take I'll take it all.
But it's like no, no, no, no, you can go
back on YouTube and exactly I've been trying to.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Do the selling to get here. Yes, so you eventually
ended up in Luca Underground as Reclusa, a hardcore intergender
bat so she wrestled due Crazy and now.
Speaker 11 (51:07):
The Fighter like the Yeah, I was a spidery dark character.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
And now with Penta in the WWE, do you ever
think you'll cross paths?
Speaker 11 (51:19):
I hope not. I hope to god not. That was
the most amazing, Like it would be like making a
sequel to the most perfectly made movie that there ever was.
And I know everyone keeps saying they want to see it,
and I totally understand that. I also understand that right
now I'm the comedic relief of WW and they want
(51:40):
to see like that serious side back, right, but like
this is how wrestling works, like we evolve. I'm not
in that phase of my life anymore. And that was
such a perfect storm of like I just went there
for a quick extra match and they asked me to
play this little part, and this little part turned into recluse.
(52:00):
That was so pivotal in that moment, and the match
was one of the best matches I've ever had, and
the crowd was amazing. It was like gritty and in
downtown La, off of skid Row, Like it was just
this like nasty, dark venue, and you just can't recreate that, right,
And you definitely can't recreate it in WWE. It's not
(52:23):
the same. It's not the same. And the storylines that
we had were so theatrical in Luca underground and gritty
and dark, and it's it's just not the same. So
I don't want to revisit it. I want everyone to
remember that moment. And you know what, Pentagon has asked
me a couple of times, like are we gonna are
(52:44):
we gonna run it back? And I'm like.
Speaker 7 (52:47):
No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
No, smartink, it's smart right, don't let it.
Speaker 11 (52:52):
Don't try because you know what will happen. They'll all
on it.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah right, exactly, right exactly, people begging for it will
then be bumbed it happened.
Speaker 11 (53:02):
I know how this works, exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
This is your first rodeo.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
What I Reclusa got left at the altar.
Speaker 11 (53:07):
Oh, well, that would be crazy, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Then, it's just.
Speaker 11 (53:12):
That would definitely be yeah. And you know what, Also,
I wore a very very very tiny outfit in Luke Underground.
I also don't need to revisit that.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Your journey to WWE also had some false starts. You
played extras, finished fourth on Tough Enough, went to NXT,
then smacked down for a year, and then you got released,
only to be rehired by WWE two years later.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Did you always think you'd be coming back?
Speaker 11 (53:42):
Yes, you knew it. I knew the minute they fired me.
So I got a call about three minutes before I
was fired from my husband saying you're about to get fired.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (53:52):
I just got a text like Chelsea's going to be called,
like she's like next on the list. So he gave
me the heads up and I'm very thankful. I'm not
an emotional person, so like I wouldn't have cried or
flew off the handle, but it just gave me a
split second to like yeah. So when they called me,
I was like, Okay, thank you. You know, hopefully I'll
see you in the future. And then I was like, oh,
(54:12):
I wrote down a list of to do's. This is
what I'm gonna do this, these are the places I
want to wrestle at, and kind of the accomplishments that
I didn't accomplish before. On my first indie run, I
wrote that list out. I started contacting them. I asked
WWE if they would let me go earlier. We have
like a ninety day clause. I asked them to release
me at sixty days. I took the pay cut, and
(54:35):
I was the first one out there on the indies,
and I hit all these I hit the list, and
then I came back mant but like, also, you know,
I am a very upfront person. Like people may think
I'm abrasive when I ask questions, but like I'm just
asking you a question because I feel like you'll just
answer it instead of beating around the bush. So I
(54:57):
just texted Hunter and asked for my job back. What's
the worst you can say?
Speaker 6 (55:01):
Right?
Speaker 7 (55:01):
No?
Speaker 10 (55:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Exactly?
Speaker 11 (55:04):
Who cares? So he says, no, Okay, Well I'm surviving,
I'm making money, I'm paying my bills. I'm fine. But
like if he doesn't know why I want to come back.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
How absolutely absolutely? Sitting around hoping for a phone call
versus picking up the phone yourself.
Speaker 11 (55:17):
And I have always asked for a job at WWE,
so I'm not changing my tune now. And you know,
for so long I got ripped apart on the Internet
for like telling, like letting people know that I was
asking for things, I was pitching things, I was coming
up with all these crazy ideas, and the Internet was like,
you're delusional. But like, that's why I'm here right with
(55:39):
this exactly because I just put it out there and
I'm not embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
So smart honestly, especially like I don't mean to make
this a gendered thing, but I know women especially I
feel in my experience because I have dealt with it myself.
I'll just speak from personal experience. Letting people know you
want something, you're asking for it. There is for some
reason it feels more desperate if you're a woman doing
(56:06):
it versus a man being like, this is what I want,
this is what I'm going after. And so to hear
you say that one is just so inspiring and like
such a good message.
Speaker 7 (56:17):
Women are nags, right, That's what it comes down to.
It's like that's not accurate.
Speaker 11 (56:22):
It was very interesting. I've I've had a lot of
ups and downs with with Twitter, and I've obviously.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Learned on Twitter it's shocking.
Speaker 11 (56:32):
Well, let me tell you something. I'm I'm in an
up part right now, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, because you know the crashes.
Speaker 11 (56:38):
Of course, because I was canceled two years ago. I
could have saved a puppy from drowning and they would
have canceled me. So it's just like, at this point,
I don't care what you think about me. I'm I'm
more than happy in my life and I go home
and I don't think about anything to do with work
or social media, and like, it's great, but it takes
a while to get there.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
And Will is speaking from experience as well. Will is
almost fifty years old and is just now getting to it.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
There's a great quote that's care what people think of you,
and you'll forever be their prisoner that So I just
came to the point where I don't care exactly.
Speaker 11 (57:15):
If you believe the hype, then you have to believe
they hate too. So I'm not going to believe anything
because I didn't believe it when they were canceling me,
so I'm not going to believe it when they think
all of a sudden, all of a sudden, Now my
pitches are amazing, and I'm right, I'm the smartest person. No, no, no,
because you canceled me two years ago for those pitches.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah exactly, Wow, well thank you for that. If you
had to book your own dream WrestleMania match, who are
you facing? Are there any stipulations? And is my husband's
bachelor party there?
Speaker 6 (57:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 11 (57:48):
Because they I mean they made all in with their
they were crazy, they were.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
You have no idea how much fun they had. It
was the great. It was literally the time of his life.
I mean, I'm still in the group chat. I'm sure
I go through my through my text messages.
Speaker 11 (58:04):
And find it.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
When you're done here, send send the group.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
You are kicked out of the Montel Jordan text. Nobody anymore.
Speaker 7 (58:10):
So Ryder and I text each other like we got
you and me, but that's what we got.
Speaker 11 (58:14):
Okay, So they'd be front row. It would be in Canada.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Great. I mean, even though you're wearing the US A jersey.
Speaker 11 (58:20):
To you know, I'm a I'm a patriototty okay, but
I claim everywhere, great claim everywhere.
Speaker 7 (58:27):
You know.
Speaker 11 (58:28):
I think I think I would do a very Canadian match,
a triple threat myself verse Natty versus Trish in Canada,
all Canadians.
Speaker 4 (58:44):
That literally, I will be planning.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
That's it.
Speaker 11 (58:52):
I think that would be like the ultimate Canadian moment.
But also I have to say, I have like been
dying for a hair verse hair match where I an
excuse to shave my head.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
I've been bagd.
Speaker 4 (59:02):
Wait, what is a hair versus hair.
Speaker 11 (59:04):
Matt loser gets their head shaved, literally shaves their head
in the ring the ring, and it's the most nasty
looking thing because you know, you only get like two
strips gone and then you look absolutely nuts. And that's
everything I've ever dreamed of. It is, Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 7 (59:21):
That's one of the things.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
You're so different. Dreams are not anywhere.
Speaker 11 (59:29):
I like, if I had a hair like you, I
too would never want to shave my head, so you know,
I understand that. But that is like a moment I need.
I need a hair verse hair matchic I need to
shave my head and then they need to change me
back into a crazy character with a shaved head.
Speaker 4 (59:44):
That's harse.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
I mean, you just put it out into the universe.
I'm going to be thinking about it for days. So
I'm just gonna start manifesting that for you.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
I really, I really am, Like, come on, so the
person who beats you gets to shave your Wow.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
I really love that.
Speaker 11 (59:58):
Yes, I really wanted it to be nicky Bella, but
that's okay, it's not. You know, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Take I was on the plane with her on the
way out here, and isn't she beautiful unbelievably unbelievably gorgeous,
bear faced perfection.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So shave her head, like shave my head. Shave so
you well, we don't know yet whoever wins.
Speaker 11 (01:00:16):
Well, i'm she wants spoiler alert, it's gonna be the
worst wrestling for me ever.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
That's crazy.
Speaker 11 (01:00:23):
And the best word is like, you know, I have
a husband, so.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
He has to has to like you anyway, whether.
Speaker 11 (01:00:28):
I have a peanut head or not, because we don't
know what's under here, that's the way. And I have
big forehead, so like, I fear that it won't be good,
but I think that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
It's part of the dream.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Is there wiki hair? Is that a thing?
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
There will be?
Speaker 11 (01:00:43):
There's gonna be a wiki forehead shaving my head?
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Elsey, thank you so much. For being here. I oh,
we've done. I know it went very fast, but boy,
we have so enjoyed having you.
Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, just best
of luck to you. Can't wait to see you shave
your head.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 11 (01:01:03):
Can't wait to see the peanut heads.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I can't wait to see it all the lumps
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