Budget battle chaos, Dems Day of Action, Executive vs Judicial, Trump ends Segregated facilities ban

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Today's Tuesday, March eighteen, twenty twenty five, coming up, Roland
Martin unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Start Network. Senate
Minori leader Chuck Schumer abandoned Democrats a budget strategy, giving
into Macca Republican demands and averting a government shutdown. But
what's going to happen with Washington d C of the

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Senate then, of course said we're going to fix it,
Senator Susan Collins. But what we were Republicans in the
House to do, We'll talk with a longtime federal lobbyist,
Michael Brown, former a DNC finance committee and also city
council memoras in DC about what's happening in Congress. House
Democrats have declared today a day of action to aggressively

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oppose the largest medicaid cuts in our nation's history. US
Chief Justice Supreme or the Supreme Court, John Roberts criticized
Donald Trump's call to impeach a federal judge for ordering
a pause on the deportation of accused game members to
Al Salvador, but also keep in mind they also admitted
in court that some of the people who were deported

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had no criminal records. The Nation's Justice correspondent Elie Mistil
will be joining us to discuss this. Also, a federal
judges said, guess what, Elon Musk, what you did for
you against the USAID gross the unconstitutional, restore payments, restore

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the emails, everything, The federal judges are striking them down.
Plus in our hashtag we try to tell you FAFO segment,
these maga fools are turning back the clock. We'll discuss
how segregated facilities are no longer explicitly banned in federal contracts.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Told y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Plus former Don Trump's spiritual advisor and mega church pastor
Robert Morris turns himself in after grand jury and diting
him for a second for in decency after the child.
We have his mug shot and we'll show you the
world's biggest Elon Musk Tesla protest. Oh, it's pretty cool.
It's time to bring the fuck. I'm rolling back gunfiltered

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Speaker 3 (02:23):
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Speaker 4 (02:36):
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Speaker 4 (02:42):
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He's it's rolling, he's punks press.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
She's built up the best though, he's rolled in.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
When Democrats voted along with Republicans to for the continued Resolution,
they included a one point one billionaire of the cut
to the Washington DC budget. Now your Republicans who are like, oh,
that wasn't supposed to happen. And so the Senate comes back, Yeah,
folks like Senator Susan Collins who said, Yo, we have
to fix this. Uh, And so the Senate fixed it.

(03:37):
The problem is the House has to actually fix this.
And trust being the Republicans over there who are not
necessarily down with that. Former DC councilmen also federal lobbyists,
these be financi chair for the DNC, Michael Brown, Joins
and Michael people don't understand that the Senate can we

(03:57):
see what they did? These Republicans in the House, they
may screw DC. They've already done and they're gonna keep trying.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
And there's currently a bill to take away our home
rule from some of those Maggi Republicans on the House side.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
We already just outside of our studio, the tearing up
a Black Lives Matter plaza because they said, oh, but
you don't do that, then you're not gonna get transportation money.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
That's correct, And those are the threats and the bullying
that obviously this administration.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Likes to do.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
So DC right now is in limbo because again, the
Senate moved on Friday, but the House still has to.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
Act correct and that's where obviously the trouble will come.
First of all, that particular provision never should have been
in in the first place. There should have been better
coordination on Capitol Hill to make sure that you can't
rely on votes. You can't rely that some people are
going to fall on the sword for the District of Columbia.
I mean, some of these folks are fighting for their

(04:54):
own states and then we're going to ask them to
fight for us. So we should have done a little
more work on the front end to get that provision out.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
So this wasn't like one point one billion that was
coming from the federal government.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, there is our dog now.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Obviously, just to give folks some context, twenty thirty years ago,
there was something called the federal payment, and DC did
get a federal payment to help us run our business. Then,
as DC began to prosper more had our own economic development,
property taxes, sales taxes. We then were able to run ourselves.
So we provide for ourselves, We pay our own bills.

(05:27):
Now do we get federal grants? Yes, yeah, just like
every other jurisdiction. And so no, this is it's gonna
be a problem when it goes back. I'm sorry that
Senator Schumer did what he did. It's unfortunate if he
was going to vote that way. Also, with the coordination
on Capitol, hopefully someone would have said, well, if you're
going to do that vote, tell them to take the

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provision out right.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And that didn't occur either.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
And now we're trying to backtrack, and I think it's
gonna be very difficult. And also what makes it even
more troubling, I was fortunate enough to be on the
Finance Committee during my time on the City Council. And
what concerns us is that one point one may not
even include if the administration comes after other revenue sources,
traffic cams and the like, just like they're going after

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the congestion tax in New York City.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
So we'll see that number could grow.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
This is going to be a continuing issue that folks
have to face. So how much DC prepare themselves for this.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Well, obviously the finance folks that are now trying to
figure out where those cuts, very harmful cuts, I imagine
they are going to come from. A billion dollars, there
is a lot of money. Assuming the number billion stays,
it could grow. And that's where the city leadership, the
City Council, the mayor's office will have to work on
trying to figure out where these cuts are going to
come from. If, indeed, unless some miracle happens and we

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can get this thing reversed.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Schumer is under a lot of heat because of this,
He's argued. He argued that a Republican told him that, oh,
we would have kept the government ship down for eight
or nine months, would have gotten rid of all these people.
So he says that this particular move here actually averted
that you buy that.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
No.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
In fact, I agree with congress Woman Crockett, who I
know is a guest here on the show quite frequently
and a huge defender of the District of Columbia by
the way, on that oversight committee.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
But no, no, I actually agree with her.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
Certainly, there are a lot of opinions about that but
I agree with Congressman Crockett, I don't think that will occur. Frankly,
what President Trump, and I hate to even say that,
what forty seven?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
We don't forty seven? My apologies? We use is the
forty five?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
No, no, no, we don't use a number.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh you do the jury re use the no?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
No, we use what I came up with.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yes, what it is?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
The twice impeach criminally committed fellow in chief. Oh okay,
very well, we use and it's all actual.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
That person.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
What can What concerns me about how he is moving forward.
One of the reasons why he's trying to get things
done as quickly as possible, it is because he knows
if A Jefferies gets that gavel in the midterm elections,
his agenda stops on its tracks.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yes, he'll do executive voterers, I get it, But he
knows that.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
So hopefully folks that may have made a mistake a
few months ago have a chance to redeem themselves in
the midterm elections next year, and hopefully we can stop
stop this a little bit again.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
So Congressman Jeffries came out with a statement today is
saying that he that he supported Schumer's being the leader.
Look they had ahead of conversation, he wouldn't answer the
question on Friday. Schumer is catching a whole lot of heat,
and folks are saying, hey, it may be time for
new leadership, that he is not prepared to do battle

(08:44):
with Republicans and with Elon, with co President Elon Musk
in case Donald Trump, well.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
The minority leader, mister Jefferies did say he disagreed with
his decision, but you know they're fellow New Yorkers. I
can see why he backped the least a little on
his LEADLeadership position in the Senate. But no, it's going
to be a challenge for everyone as we come for
these difficult issues, not just in the district of Columbia,
but in other places around the country, in particular Blue states.

(09:12):
Though his policies are impacting a lot of folks in
red states, and so hopefully that pushback will come from
the other side of the aisle.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
But I do believe, and I totally understand that you
have to have somebody who understands.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
How to do battle.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
This is not the fundamental issue that I have, and
I had this with Biden, and I have this with Schumer,
they're institutionalists. You're dealing with people who don't care about
these institutions. They don't care, and how.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Do you fight that kind of battle? And I remember
what my father used to say. He said it to
when he was trying to figure out who the best nominee. Now,
keep in mind, the chair of the party back then
had a whole of just immense power could almost pick
who the nominee was. So when he had different conversations
with people going up against Vice President Bush, who no
matter what Republican Mount Rushmore, you talk to whatever person

(10:08):
Ronald Reagan is on the Mount Rushmore Republican presidence, his
vice president was running for re election, and my father
chairs that to at that time, Governor Clinton, are you
prepared to come to the fight with a gun.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Or a knife?

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Because Democrats had always come to the fight with a
knife and everybody else had guns, and it's hard to
obviously defeat that.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Sorry for the analogy.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, Now they bring knives and the opposition they bring bazookas.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Correct, And so I think that's how we have to fight.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
And that's why I think so many people were disappointed
and Senator Schumer because at this particular time when you
finally had some leverage to knock down whatever he's doing,
he and Musk are doing. He chose a different route.
He chose the institutional route to your point. So, yes,
we have to fight a little differently now. And that's
where the disagreement is within the party. Some people want

(10:56):
to stay institute. Oh, we're too good for that, we
should stay above that. And other people I know, like
Al Green. Al Green said no, I'm gonna put my
cane up in the air and voice my opposition.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, And that's why I keep telling people we'd be like, oh,
I just think when David Atzerrod is running his mouth
on the scene in I'm like, dude, this ain't the same.
This is not the same opposition that Bill Clinton faced
that Barack Obama phase is.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
This is a totally different world we're operating in, right.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
And he and he being that person you mentioned earlier,
how you describe him, he knows that he knows that
we are coming from this kind of position of well,
you know, we have the American people have to see
us above all that, right, But that's not how you
have to fight.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
He's changed the rules, whether we like it or not.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Which means and his party is going along with him.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Correct, there's no opposition there, especially on the House side, well,
Sentate side, it looks like too. But hopefully Senator Thune
can maybe come to the rescue and be the adult
in the room on the Republican party.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right, michacol Brown, We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Thanks a lot, Thank you very much, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Rong folks, Gonna go to break.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
We come back more to talk about lots to talk about,
including this ruling that just came down more than an
hour ago where a federal judge said, nah, Elion Musk,
what you did against USAID grossly unconstitutional. Restore everything. We'll
talk about that, and we come back right here on
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
If you aren't trying that shit off, we're doing an
interview without the public. Four days after the Senate passed
the House up bill to continue funding the federal government,
well guess what. House Democrats kicked off a Medicaid Day

(15:25):
of Action to call attention to expected deep cuts to
the federal program that provides healthcare the seventy million Americans.
Congress Woman Event Clark, chair of the Congression of Black
Caucus made it clear that House Democrats are committed to
protecting Medicaid from Republicans.

Speaker 14 (15:41):
We all know why we've gathered here today, and that
is to address the partisan spending bill Congressional Republicans pass
that represents an extremely direct, extremely dangerous attack on veterans, families, seniors,
and everyday New York. We can call this attack what

(16:03):
it is with certainty because it is an assault on
healthcare of our neighbors that depend on it just to live.
Healthcare in our nation was promised to them, and so
I'm proud to stand at Leader Jeffrey's side for this
Medicaid Day of Action, just as I am proud to

(16:24):
call myself a colleague to Democrats across this nation who
are speaking the same message we are today, relaying the
same dangers of the spending bill and standing for the
same people and families it will hurt. I also serve
on the Committee of Jurisdiction for health Care in the

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House of Representatives, that Energy and Commerce Committee, and we
have been sent a mandate essentially to cut eight hundred
and eighty billion dollars from the federal budget in order
to provide space in the budget for the trillions of

(17:05):
tax cuts to the wealthiest.

Speaker 11 (17:08):
The wealthiest in the United States of Americas.

Speaker 14 (17:12):
This is a humanitarian crisis, and unfortunately, there is a
move afoot to make sure that we all are impacted by.

Speaker 11 (17:24):
These draconian cuts.

Speaker 14 (17:26):
We've engaged in this national mission to speak to millions
of Americans across the country who have lived good, decent lives,
the people who are now at risk of losing their
health care and housing, safer communities, and retirement security, to
do to the cuts made by those who haven't come

(17:48):
close to the same standard of decency. In the face
of this latest scheme to slash Medicaid, Medicare, and Social
Security to pay for tax breaks for billionaires, note that
House Democrats will use every tool at our disposal to

(18:08):
stop this devastating scheme that it requires all of us.
It is clear that Republicans have put a bullseye on
the most vulnerable Americans among us, and we will not
sit down and stay quiet while they do.

Speaker 11 (18:24):
In New York's Ninth District alone.

Speaker 14 (18:26):
The community that I've called home my entire life, cuts
to Medicaid will severely impact over sixty five thousand people
over the age of sixty five twenty four thousand disabled
children and adults, one hundred forty six thousand young adults,

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eighty five thousand parents and caretakers, one hundred and forty
nine thousand children, and eleven thousand pregnant women. And those numbers,
we can see that these cuts will hurt roughly five
hundred thousand people within my district alone. That's almost half

(19:13):
of our district. There are real people who will lose
more than five million dollars in Medicaid benefits and the
services they rely on. I can tell you that you'll
see similar disturbing figures across this nation. Republicans continue to

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rob Americans to fill the pockets of the rich.

Speaker 11 (19:39):
And their actions are costing lives.

Speaker 14 (19:43):
Democrats will continue to fight back by holding Republicans accountable.
And let me just close with this. Human beings are
human beings. They are born into this world without party affiliation.
This is going to impact all Americans, all of us.

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The cascading effect of cutting eight hundred and eighty billion
dollars out of health care will not only mean the
threat to our health and well being. It will mean
higher unemployment. It will mean the closure of hospitals and
federally qualified health care institutions within our communities. It will

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mean devastation at every turn. We have just recovered from
a pandemic. We're seeing the outbreak of measles across this nation.
This is not the time for the most wealthiest in
our nation, the top one percent, to line their pockets

(20:51):
at the expense of the health and well being of
the people of the United States. It's time to stand up,
It's time to fight back.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
All right, folks, let's get into it with our panel.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Joining us on today's show.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Doctor Mustapha santelo I Leave, former Senior Advisor for Environmental
Justice at the EPA, joining us out.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Of d C.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Morgan Harper, Director of Policy and Advocacy or the American
Economic Liberties Project from Columbus, Ohio. Doctor Larry Walker, Assistant
Professor of University of Central Florida, Joina US out of
a land.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
They've let to have all three of you here. We're
gonna start with you.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Bottom line here is that Republicans they want to make
these cuts, they want to have these massive tax cuts.
And if there is any a moment, We're sure you
had CBC members there, but this is where if you're Democrats.
You absolutely turn old white conservative Republicans against their own members.

Speaker 9 (21:54):
Well, yeah, I mean, I completely agree that this is
an issue, and like we heard from Longer Sulvan, this
is an issue that impacts everyone. We heard from CBC
members there. But I can say very clearly in Ohio,
I talk to people all the time from all different
backgrounds and really all different working situations. But I think
it's an important thing to note that rely on Medicaid.

(22:16):
We just had a town hall last night in Columbus
where we were hearing from seniors. They're concerns about, you know,
the threats to social security.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
So this is very real.

Speaker 9 (22:24):
This is going to impact everyone, and I think it's
a I think it's a smart angle to unite people
around the impacts of some of these moves, not just
keep it at the finger pointing of the political parties.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well absolutely, and look it's going to be a significant battle.
And I'm telling you right now, look all they need
are to flip three to four people Mustafa and guess what,
you know who I'm targeting every single Republican in the
state of Florida.

Speaker 15 (22:52):
Yeah, that would be that would actually be a really
smart strategy. You know, it's interesting that when folks are
talking about these cuts, they forget you know that these
federal dollars in many instances also go to the states.
The states then also have some of their own matching
funds that are a part of this. And when you
begin to make these cuts, you begin to destabilize the states.

(23:12):
You begin to as you know, as the congresswoman was sharing, also,
we know that we've already had the shutting down of
rural clinics and hospitals in urban settings, and that we
need to actually be investing more dollars into our healthcare
system to keep our folks healthier because we know that
when we look at the studies that are done on

(23:32):
an international level that you know, we're not at the
top of the list in relationship to keeping people safe.
And then when we look at our most vulnerable communities,
we understand all of the cumulative impacts that are going
on inside of those communities that impact people's health. So
this is one of the ways that they are destabilizing
our government are actually destabilizing the lives of people through

(23:56):
government actions. And I would, as you said, focus on
these Republican senators and others who are running for office
and say, is this your mandate? Do you want the
people inside of your state to be less healthy, to
be less protective? And of course they're going to have
to say no at some point or they're going to
get voted out, Larry.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
So Roland, you know, I would remind folks that we
just a few months off from the election.

Speaker 12 (24:24):
It hasn't been that long.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
And I'm glad. You know, you see the chair of
the CBC and you know minority leaders Jeffrey's talking about
the impact that this will devastate the social safety net
and Roland in addition to that, if we're likely to
encounter a recession, we're going to this country would experience
a serious depression that that we haven't experienced in years.

(24:47):
And so the fight for Democrats remains. But I think
that the challenge is that a lot of these people,
even though you hear some people talk about town halls,
these people, some people scuttle out of people complaining a reminder,
once again, these people vote it knowing we talk about
Project twenty five, We talk about a lot of the
rhetoric in terms of you know, President Trump and then

(25:07):
Elon Musk talking about there's going to be paid this
was set repeatedly, and now here we are and once again,
you know, conversation among you know, people in the black community,
a lot of this for those who voted for this
believe that these impacts will disproportionately impact black people, and
maybe they will percentage wise, but look forward, you look
at Speaker Johnson's you look at his district. This will

(25:28):
devastate the people in his district. But those same individuals
voted him and voted for these other individuals for president
and these other other you know, elected officials at the
state level, and here we are. So yeah, we have
to consider talking to Americans about how devastating this could be,
not only short term, but the long term impact that
would have in the United States as a viable superpower

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when you remove the social safety net. But it's an
also a reminder we need to have a really serious
conversation about whiteness in this country and then the appearance
that when things you take away things that are only
in one community, and until we have that conversation and
really really have a deep discussion among about among what
why people have these these these views that if it's

(26:10):
if it's good, if it's if it's bad, for you,
it's bad, it's good for me. Then we'll still face
the same issue year after year.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Well, which is why I believe it is important to
take the fight to them, and literally, if you're Democrats,
hold hearings in his district to alert his folks what's coming. Now,
speaking of U's coming, there's a massive fight happening. Old
Maga is really really really upset, y'all. They are just

(26:37):
beside themselves because federal judges are not rolling over and
playing dead. Today literally, a federal judge ruled against uh
Donald Trump and Elon Musk saying that their attack on
US A I D was unconstitutional and ordered services and
grants and payments to be restored immediately. Now they're pissed

(26:58):
off because the federal judge rule againgainst them when it
came to what was happening in flying out these folks
to El Salvador. Who were they claimed Venezuelan criminals. But
then they had a hearing today where they admitted that, yeah,
some of the people who were deported had no criminal
records whatsoever. They are angry about other federal judges. And remember,

(27:20):
these are the same Republicans who loved when you had
sold judge and Amarillo, Texas ruled against plan being when
other federal judges ruled against stute loans. So now you
got some Republicans now calling for the impeachment.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Of some of these federal judges.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well as a result, the person who reaped all of
this havoc, Chief Justice John Roberts. He's rejecting calls for
impeaching judges after the twice impeached, criminally convicted fellow in
chieved that.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
On the con Trump.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Demanded the removal of one who ruled against his deportation plans.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
This is what this idiot posted on social media.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
The radical left lulatic of a judge, a trouble maker
and agitator who was sadly appointed by Barack Hussein. Obama
was not elected president. He didn't win the popular vote
by a lot. He didn't win all seven swing states.
He didn't win twenty seven hundred and fifty to five
hundred and twenty five counties. He didn't win anything. I
won for many reasons in an overwhelming mandate, but fighting

(28:23):
illegal immigration may have been the number one reason for
this historic victory. I'm just doing what the voters wanted
me to do. This judge, like many of the cricket
judges I am forced to appear before, should be impeached.
We don't want vicious, violent and domitic criminals, many of
them deranged murderers in our country or in the Oval office.

(28:43):
Make America great again. Bill John Roberts was forced to
defend the federal judiciary, so he goes. For more than
two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not
an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision. The
normal appellate review process exists for that purpose. Now, his

(29:06):
rebuke is an example of how the controversy over all
of these judicial decisions, how they are just making maga mad.
And these maga idiots literally even were like, you know what,
We're just gonna ignore these judicial rulings. Okay, Ellie Mistil
is the Justice correspondent for the nation.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
He joins us right now, and Ellie, it is.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I hate to be using the word laughable, but frankly,
it's disgraceful to actually read those words from Chief Justice
John Roberts, because you created this. You're the one who
led the ruling that he just had just maximum immunity,
could do whatever he wanted. That gave Donald Trump the
green light to say, Oh, if I get back in there,

(29:53):
I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want.

Speaker 13 (29:59):
Yeah, John Roberts like the guy and the hot dogs
to talk about how we're gonna find the guy who
did this.

Speaker 12 (30:05):
No, you did this.

Speaker 13 (30:06):
This is your fault. You've done the sewing. Enjoy your reaping,
John Roberts. But I want to focus on what Roberts
didn't say, right, because that, as you point out, tepid, weak, sauce,
pathetic statement that he made was really focused on Trump's
call to impeach federal judges. You'll notice what Roberts didn't say.

(30:27):
He didn't say anything about Trump following those judges orders,
which is actually the problem, which is actually the constitutional crisis.
I don't care if Trump wants to get up on
the social media platform and call for the impeachment of
federal judges.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
He can't.

Speaker 13 (30:43):
He's impeachment has to be for federal judges. Is just
like impeachment for the president. You have to start it
in the House, you have to pass it in the House,
and then you need a super majority in the Senate
to convict. So you can talk about impeaching federal judges
all he wants, that ain't gonna happen. But that's what
Roberts wants to talk about. Roberts doesn't want to talk
about all of the times so far that Trump has

(31:05):
directly defied court orders from his precious judges. Why doesn't
Roberts want to talk about that, because.

Speaker 12 (31:13):
I doesn't think he can do anything about that.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well, and is.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Actually the point, because what you're looking at is a
lawlessiness operating out of the Oval Office. They don't care
about the law, they don't care about the Constitution.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
One of the parts that they choose to agree with.

Speaker 13 (31:33):
What I want is for people who keep telling us
that the courts are going to save us, the institutions
will hold all of these lawsuits that we have filed
against them, will lead to some result or restraint against Trump.
I would like to ask those people, especially the people
in our own community, what do you got now? Because
Trump is in violation of various court orders across a

(31:58):
host a federal issue, and I don't see anybody stopping them.
The judge says, turn the planes around. Trump says, no
Venezuelans are in El Salvador right now. The judge says,
do not deport the doctor from Brown who specializes in
kidney transplants and had a valid work visa.

Speaker 12 (32:15):
Do not deport her. Trump says, oh, she's already gone.

Speaker 13 (32:18):
Judge says, turn on the money and restore funding to USAID.

Speaker 12 (32:23):
Trump says no. Judge says, turn on the money.

Speaker 13 (32:25):
Restore the federal funding that you froze from all the
universities and organizations that practice what they call dei.

Speaker 12 (32:32):
Trump says, no. So great. So that's where we are.

Speaker 13 (32:37):
You have your court order, you have your courts to
come and to save us, You have your institutions have
held Trump's not not following them.

Speaker 12 (32:44):
So what you got next?

Speaker 13 (32:45):
And this is the part, this is the problem. I
think also from our side, we don't got anything next.
We've spent entirely too much time relying on the courts,
begging on the courts, hoping against hope that the courts
will come to say of us. Well, now the courts
are actually doing the things that we want them to
do to stop Trump. But Trump ain't stopped Trump ain't

(33:07):
stopping Jack. And so that, that, to me, is why
that strategy was never going to work. Trump is just
straight up ignoring court orders now and nobody seems to
have any theory even up change. Nobody seems to have
any plan for what to do next.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
And no only that, I mean he's just firing people
when he wants to. We're just now getting in where
he fired the two Democratic members of the Federal Trade Commission.
I mean, he's just firing folks. And you've had some
folks return. The sister was escaping me. We showed it
the other day when Wilcox, Yeah, Gwyn Wilcox, and so
know she she came back. But you have to have

(33:49):
the enforcement of federal law and when and what they're doing.
They're going to court. And they're literally even saying when
it came to the folks are sitting in the hell Salvador,
they literally said, oh yeah, national's curity care real, really
use these details.

Speaker 13 (34:03):
Right, They're they're they're not hiding the ball with the
Venezuelan situation. They are not only directly defied the order
to turn the planes around, they literally said that that
order had no relevance, had no force or effect on them.
Roberts didn't say anything about that. Trump says that the pardons,
the preemptive pardons that Joe Biden gave to the people

(34:25):
who investigated Trump to protect them from exactly the kind
of retributative justice that Trump is trying is threatening to impose.
Trump says, those pardons don't mean anything to him. He
is going to prosecute those people if he if he
feels like it. So again, Roberts didn't say anything about that.
Roberts could have come out today and say like, oh,

(34:47):
by the way, Joe Biden's pardons are valid. Roberts could
have come out to say today and said, oh, by
the way, turn the planes back around. Roberts could send
a bunch of stuff. All he said was the yant.
Don't say impeach, don't say the I word because that
makes me feel bad.

Speaker 12 (35:02):
That's all he got. So again, the.

Speaker 13 (35:06):
Solution is never going to come from the courts. The
solution is never going to come from pencil necked geeks
in robes or wigs or whatever they're wearing these days.
The solution can only come from the people who demand justice,
not simply hope for the courts to create it out

(35:27):
of thin air.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
So you say, demand justice, how you do that? What
does it look like?

Speaker 12 (35:32):
You saw what happened with my mood? Khalil.

Speaker 13 (35:34):
Right, we saw a bunch of protesters in Federal Square
demanding his release.

Speaker 12 (35:39):
We saw a bunch of protesters.

Speaker 13 (35:40):
At Trump Tower inside Trump Tower demanding his release. That's
the kind of energy that we have to bring across
the board everywhere, right, not you know, Khalil is being
held not in Manhattan. He's being held in Louisiana. Right,
He's being held in Jena, Louisiana. We need to do
the test in Jena, Louisiana. Now, I personally, I'm not

(36:03):
a great marcher Roland. I don't I don't like walking
much less march. That's not that's not my thing, right,
But like, at some point somebody needs to give me
a shovel and some wirecutters, and we got to go
to Jena, Louisiana, and we got to do our thing there.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Like that that.

Speaker 13 (36:20):
Justice will not come top down. Justice will only come
from the bottom up.

Speaker 12 (36:27):
And that's what we have to do.

Speaker 13 (36:29):
And until we do that, until we're willing to do that,
until we have the sustained pressure of the people against
this administration, the courts ain't gonna do.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Jack Morgan got to kick out of that one there.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Morgan, you're common to your question for Ellie.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Yeah, no, I mean I think the.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Question I have is and I appreciate all of your analysis, Eli,
so it's really it's great to connect with you.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Your message is hit the streets, people should hit the streets.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
I wonder if that's the same guidance you have for
members of Congress, because as we know, you know, they
have different tools at their disposal. If you were speaking
specifically to members of Congress who do still believe in
the rule of law and what to do what they
can to protect that, what would you like to see
them doing.

Speaker 13 (37:19):
Yeah, I think we're going to need a little bit
more than placards right like this, the silent auction at
the state of the Union for fascism is not going
to cut it. Obviously, Congress has more tools at their disposal,
and look, I also have respect for the fact that
many of our Congress people are old right, just to

(37:42):
put it frankly, right, and I don't want them to
get hurt. So there is a level of street level
activism that many of them just physically can't pull off. Right,
I'm out here talking about I don't like to march
because I'm overweight. They don't like to march anymore, because
like they're crumbly and we need to respect that.

Speaker 12 (38:01):
And so I'm not in the position.

Speaker 13 (38:02):
I would never be in the position where I'm going
to tell some seventy five year old congress person to
go do something that is better done by a.

Speaker 12 (38:11):
Twenty three year old activist.

Speaker 13 (38:13):
Right, So, like setting that up, the level of resistance
that we need to have from Congress has to be
post institutional right, has to be extra judicial.

Speaker 16 (38:27):
Right.

Speaker 13 (38:27):
The idea that all they can do, that all they
should be doing is using the normal means and powers
and structures of government to oppose Trump in the normal ways.
That isn't going to cut it. That hasn't cut it
to this point. Right, So, like you want to talk
about lawsuits, I don't want to. Like, the Congress people
should be ssuing Trump in their personal capacity if they

(38:49):
still think that the courts can help them. Right, Congress
people should be the ones hiding literally hiding some of
these documented because remember we're beyond undocumented already. He's doing
this to documented immigrants. Congress should be hiding those people

(39:11):
in their offices, in their homes and daring Musk and
Trump and the US marshals to come take them out. Right,
we should be hiding in churches, calling for sanctuary the
old Catholic version of the hunchback and notre name version
of sanctuary, right, and daring Trump's forces to breach.

Speaker 12 (39:31):
The threshold of a house of God, Like that is
the level.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
Do you think they've actually exhausted all the tools available
to them institutionally? Even I mean, like this idea of
Congress members personally suing, that's not something I've heard any
of them talk about holding starting investigations. I think that's
an important point because I don't know if we have
a full understanding. I don't know if they even have

(39:56):
a full understanding of all the tools available to them
that are stinct.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
From everything you just named. Anybody technically could do that.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Right, Elien to that point, explain to people when you
say how they should personally sue, explain explain what that means.

Speaker 13 (40:13):
Right, So, in general, Congress sues as a body, right,
Like it is the US Congress that's suing for this
or that of the other thing. But you can't do
that when you're in the minority, right, Mike Johnson controls
what Congress can sue for. John fun controls who Congress
can subpoena because the Republicans control the government. So I'm saying,

(40:35):
instead of doing it that way, since the Republicans won't
let you sue in your personal capacity, right, sue is
like a concerned citizen. It'll get a lot more media
attention if I don't know, Chuck Schumer sues Donald Trump
and Elon Musk and Dodge as opposed to me. Right,
Chuck Schumer is the senior senator from my state. He

(40:58):
can sue as a New Yorker, Right, And then we
have our fight in the courts, where we'll probably lose,
because again I keep saying, the courts are not what's
going to protect us or help us. But Roland, just
as you were talking about earlier in terms of like
having hearings, having rallies in Mike Johnson's district, to get
the people Mike Johnson represents to understand the threat and

(41:21):
the values and the problems that Johnson is causing. That's
what I'm talking about in terms of personal lawsuits. Do
it so that the people can rally around you and
understand what the problem is, regardless of what the courts
do to it.

Speaker 12 (41:35):
Because again in my theory, we're extrajuditional. Now, we're beyond
the courts. Now.

Speaker 13 (41:40):
I want some Jeffries on the Supreme Court steps arguing
his case, even if the Supreme Court's going to ignore him,
because that's the kind of thing that the media will cover,
and that's the kind of thing that will alert the people,
not just people like you and me and Morgan, but
it will alert people who don't pay a lot of
attention to politics and law and that kind of stuff,

(42:00):
that we are in a completely different situation, that we
are in a completely new state, and thus we need
we need to use completely different strategies and actions and
what and what have you.

Speaker 12 (42:12):
So, just to quickly answer your question, Morgan, No, I do.

Speaker 13 (42:15):
Not think that Congress and Chuck Schumer have exhausted all
of their institutional possibilities here. I don't think that we're
even I don't think that you've even crossed the fifty
percent threshold.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
With that, Larry, thanks to your analysis, so I've argued
kind of what you talked about is that the Democrats
in the House and Center are far too focus on
decorum and not discord. And I'm wondering in terms of
we have this conversation about some of the challenges that
we're seeing as it relates to what, you know, what

(42:48):
we're supposed to see from judiciary people for our lasses
judge is saying you can't do this and this being ignored.
Are there lessons to because we can learn from the
time of Charles Hamilton, Thoroughrid Marshall in terms of not
on in terms of what they did those great legal
minds did the Supreme Court federal cases, et cetera.

Speaker 12 (43:08):
But are other other.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
Lessons we can learn and kind of that Jim Crow
Air in terms of what we're facing today in terms
of these systems people saying I'm not listening to you
know in Deep South, I'm not listening to you know
this thing, you know what the Supreme Court says, et cetera.
Are there lessons that we can learn from legal perspective
in terms of how we attack some of these issues.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (43:27):
So Number one one of the lessons that we learned
that we should learn, and I hope liberals finally do learn,
is that the courts are not going to say of us,
and they never have. Like we tend to remember people
like John, like Thurdgod and Marshall as people who bet
the courts to the will of the civil rights movement.
But Marshall loses those cases if there isn't a civil.

Speaker 12 (43:50):
Rights movement backing them up. Right, let's never forget Brown.

Speaker 13 (43:54):
You know, my mother was born in nineteen fifties, in
nineteen fifty in Clarksdale, Mississippi, and she likes to say
the nineteen fifty four decision on Brown Bee Board of
Head didn't mean jack crap to her, didn't desegregate a
damn thing in her neighborhood. Desegregation was not brought to
us by the Supreme Court. It was brought to us

(44:15):
by the people. It was brought to us by the movement,
and quite frankly, it was brought to us by Bobby
Kennedy putting boots on the ground in Arkansas and forcing
white folks to chew with their mouths closed.

Speaker 12 (44:28):
Right.

Speaker 13 (44:28):
The Court couldn't do that, wouldn't do that, literally, writes
in their opinion, with all deliberate speed, meaning desegregate whenever
the hell y'all.

Speaker 12 (44:37):
Feel like it. If ever so, the courts were never
going to save us. They never have.

Speaker 13 (44:42):
So I think that's one crucial lesson to learn. The
other big lesson that I hope democrats are learning is
exactly what the limits of judicial power are. Maybe Joe
Biden should have learned that lesson when the Supreme Court
ridict and unconstitutionally, in my view, overruled the a woman's

(45:04):
right to choose. Maybe Joe Biden should have been a
little bit more aggressive, a little bit less genuflecting, a
little bit less kneeling to the court's unelected opinion, and
done everything he could with federal power to protect the
lives of women and girls who had unwanted and lethal pregnancies,

(45:26):
just saying right. Donald Trump last week goes to the
Department of Justice, which breaks with tradition, and people clutch
their pearls.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Oh no, He's speaking at the Great Haul of the
Department of Justice.

Speaker 13 (45:38):
And basically has an hour long rambling speech where he
threatens to sue everybody under the sun. Now, I'm not
saying Joe Biden should have done that, but perhaps I
don't know.

Speaker 12 (45:48):
Roland, you backed me up here.

Speaker 13 (45:49):
Could Joe Biden have called Merrick Carland and said, hey, America,
how are we doing about, you know, prosecuting the guy
who attacked the Capitol on January Asking a question, Well.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
But hold up, they were so they were so oh
my god, there's a wall between us that they would
not even tout doj victories from the White House podium
done the briefing. I mean, it was utterly ridiculous that,
like they literally wouldn't even talk about the success stories
because oh, no, no, we've got to have separation. No, no,

(46:24):
you don't. You can actually talk about that, but they
wouldn't do it.

Speaker 13 (46:28):
Kristen Clark is one of the I've written about this.
Kristen Clark is one of our black heroes of the
past four years, and most people don't know her name
because Joe Biden would never talk about her successes because
of the wall between Hey, you want to here's another one.
Remember when Bill Clinton talked to Loretta Lynch on a
plane and oh, the right lost their mind in democratic

(46:49):
idea ideology somehow. That meant that Loretta Lynch had to
recuse herself from the Hillary Clinton email case, which meant
that James Comy was in charge of the Clinton email case,
which that it was James Comey's call, not Loretta Lynch's,
to reopen the case a week and a half before
the election and basically hand the thing to Donald Trump,
remember when that happened. That happened because allegedly of the

(47:12):
breaching of the wall of whatever between the White House
and the DOJ, even though Hillary Clinton was not the
president at that point and it was her husband who
talked to Luretta.

Speaker 12 (47:24):
Lynch, not her.

Speaker 13 (47:26):
So again, maybe one of the lessons the Democrats could
learn here is to stop bringing spoons to a gunfight.
Maybe one of the lessons here is that the Supreme
Court is not actually in charge of the entire country,
that there are three branches of government, and if the
Democrats are ever fortunate enough, if Trump ever allows them

(47:48):
again to control one or two of those branches, maybe
they should take that power more seriously.

Speaker 12 (47:56):
Ustafa Well, Elliott's good to see.

Speaker 15 (47:59):
It's been a while. Its been a while, man, Yes, yes, brother,
I got a two parter for you. So the first
part is, you know, black folks, I come out of
the grassroots movement. Black folks been marching, We show up,
we put our bodies on the line. What are your
thoughts about what this needs to look like this time?
Because you know a lot of brothers and sisters have said,

(48:19):
you know what, I have marched for important issues, but
I need to see some other allies actually putting something
in some skin into the game. So that's the first part.
Second part is, you know, we've got a set of
elections right moving up to the midterms. What's your vision
for what we need to be doing in that space
so that we at least have a chance to balance

(48:41):
out some power here.

Speaker 13 (48:42):
Yeah, So in terms of the marching and the activism,
I'm with the black folks that you're talking about in
terms of we need to see some allies now, we
need to see some other boots on the ground.

Speaker 12 (48:53):
It can't just be us.

Speaker 13 (48:54):
One of the things that this election has proven, that
this administration has proven painfully in some ways, is that
black people cannot save this country from white folks. We
can't do it alone, right, If white folks aren't going
to join in, if white women aren't going to join in,
if Latinos aren't going to join in, we can't do

(49:17):
it alone. And so at some point, these other groups
of people that Trump is also attacking have to join
the battle. And I know that for those other groups,
the worst thing that you can do is ask them
to join with black folks. I know that's their least
favorite thing. I understand that, especially for immigrant communities, to

(49:39):
be treated as white in this country, the first step
is to crap on black folks.

Speaker 12 (49:45):
I get it. I understand their perspective.

Speaker 13 (49:48):
But if they want to improve this country and have
I don't know freedoms in this country, they better get
over themselves and alie with black folks because black folks
cannot save this country by ourselves.

Speaker 12 (50:02):
That is number one, right in terms of the prime
of the of the elections coming up. Look, man, I
am I've been a Democratic voter all my life. I've
never voted third party.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
I you know.

Speaker 13 (50:17):
The I don't think I can vote for a single
Democrat who voted to say, confirm Marco Rubio, which would
be all of them in the Senate. I don't think
that I can vote for a single Democrat who voted
for Trump's budget. I just don't think that I can

(50:38):
do it. And so what that means is that I
have to be one of those people who is on
fire during the primary process trying to get a better
crop of liberal candidates on the ballot and through the
primary process. The primary process is where this fight has

(51:00):
to be one because if you put it in a
general and you've had, and I have to choose, you know,
in twenty twenty eight, between Chuck Schumer and Don Trump Junior.

Speaker 12 (51:10):
I'm gonna vote for Schumer again.

Speaker 13 (51:12):
I just I'm crazy, but I'm not an eighty right,
So I have to do everything in my power to
not let that happen, to not let that be my
only choice. And that means going hard for whoever is
going to try primary Schumer in twenty twenty eight, and
going hard for whoever is going to primary these weak

(51:36):
and useless Democrats in the lead up to twenty twenty six.
That's where the fight has to happen. That's where my
focus has to be. And to the extent that I
have any voice or platform, what I am telling everybody
is to show up for the primary elections in twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty six as if it's the
general election in twenty twenty eight. That is how important

(51:59):
these primaries are. I always used I like to use
the example of the Tea Party, the Republican Tea Party,
the failed Republican Tea Party that actually metastasized into the
Magma movement that now runs the country. Where does the
Tea Party start? Does it start with them taking out democrats. No, No,
the Tea Party starts with them taking out republicans, taking

(52:23):
out republicans who they believed were not committed to the cause.

Speaker 12 (52:27):
And that is what democrats must do.

Speaker 13 (52:30):
That is what liberals must do, take out so called
democrats and so called liberals who have now to this
point shown themselves to be insufficiently committed to the cause
of fighting fascism. That's the focus and that's where my
energies are going to be going in the lead up
to the twenty twenty six elections.

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all the way through knowing what it means and what
it looks like to just take the time to work

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on self.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
How much.

Speaker 17 (56:39):
Are you spending on wasteful movements like what energy audit.
Do you need to do on your personal time and
your personal life, because maybe some people don't need to
have that front seat perspective on your life. Maybe some
people need to be in a different position where they
don't cloud your view.

Speaker 10 (56:56):
That's next on a Balanced Life with doctor Jackie here
and Black Star Network.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Me, Sherry Schabrett and Sammy Roman.

Speaker 8 (57:05):
I'm doctor robinbe pharmacist and fitness coach, and you're watching
Roland Martin.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Unfiltered Holly Times. Have I told y'all that this is
one of the most anti black racist administrations we've ever seen.
Check this out here. The federal government no longer explicitly
prohibits contractors from having segregated restaurants, waiting rooms, and drinking fountains.

(57:35):
The salregation clause is one of several identified in a
public memo issued by the General Services Administration last month
affecting all civil federal agencies. The memo explains that it
is making changes prompted by Donald Trump's Executive Order on Diversity,
Equity and Inclusion, which repealed in executive orders signed by

(57:57):
President Lyndon Baines Johnson in nineteen sixty five regarding federal
contractors and non discrimination.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
So again, so.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
There's been a lot of reporting around this, and so
the whole goal is to target, is to say all
these companies that you don't have to bide by these
rules that say.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
That you can't discriminate.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
What do you make of this, Larry and I keep
saying that, you know, probably the most violent races we've
ever had in the White House. And this says a
lot is Woodrow Wilson. This administration wants to defund Black America.
It is targeting black people. They are anti black. We
can go on and on and on, and this of
course is just.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Another part of that.

Speaker 7 (58:41):
Yeah, this is part of, you know, the very beginning
of the long four years. And Roland I was on
your show last week and I said, we've been focusing
on like this using anti DEI. We should be saying
these people are appro Jim pro because you know these
powers and this isn't This is a perfect example, you know,
this strong focus on anti DEI. You're setting right the
center anti blackness. It is focused on dismanling all the

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progress that was made. You know, and obviously we talked
on you show a lot about the Great Society programs
they're voting rights at the Civil Rights Act, fairhousing at
et cetera. It is and this you know, when you
signed this executive order in the very beginning of his presidency,
it was very clear about what direction of what he
was trying to do here. Obviously we talked about federal contracts.
That's that's taxpayer money. So we're not moving forward. They're

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trying to dismantle once again, all the programs that were
that were created that was over decades, really over centuries
in terms of black folks in terms of being on
equal footing or trying to get as close to equal footing.
They're dismanding all those programs and using taxpayer dollars to
do that. And so when Ellie was on before, we
talked about you know, I mentioned, you know, we have

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to focus on discord and not decorum. People have to
be willing, and I know Black people are tired, but
they have to be willing when we see things like
this to make sure we're her not just the town halls,
but various other methods we have to use to make
sure or that these kinds of things are reversed. Because
you go back to LBJ in terms of the work
he did, like I said, with the Great Society programs
and signing and executive order, and now here we are

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what President of the United States policy. This is openly saying,
you know what, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Worry about that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Don't worry about Jim Crow to just go ahead and
reinstitute that, and we'll keep moving forward to make sure
every program, every right that black folks have fall for
for decades is eliminated. And this is once again another
terrible example of that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Morgan, I have made this clear that and I made
it very clear of course in my book Wife Fear,
that people need to understand what's really going on here.
The right is trying to target every economic program or

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initiative that has aided black people and benefited many others
since the Black freedom movement or the civil rights movement.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
That's what this is all about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
To attack affirmative action in college and universities, to attack
programs and law firms, to attack programs in corporate America,
to attack programs in government.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
They are operating by this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Oh no, it's about doing what's right and just and
about being fair, and it's about a meritocracy. When the
fact of the matter is this company, this country has
never had a meritocracy, It's never existed ever. It benefited
white men, it benefited landowners, didn't benefit white women, didn't

(01:01:40):
benefit black people and others, and so, and in their
minds that this is the greatest harm. And in fact,
the Wall Street, Washington Post got a hold, Washington Post,
on the New York Times, one of them got a
whole of the Doge plan, and the first six months
was all attacking DEI and that and that means attacking

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black people. This is a massive economic assault on Black America.
And I don't think even a lot of us really
understand how deep this is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I think that's right.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
I mean, you know, take taking this example, it is
wrapped in a couple of things in terms of how
it's it's getting implemented. So like the NIH guidance once
this policy came down was Okay, we're going to get
rid of the ban on segregation, but then also we're
going to get rid of our equal opportunity program, which
would likely benefit a lot of black contractors. Exactly what

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you're saying, Role, I mean, it's kind of wrapping this
idea of like meritocracy. Well, we don't really have segregated facilities.
This isn't that big of a deal, Okay, but you
probably aren't going to hear about this other piece that
maybe is having a very and not to say that
we have at all saw a racial discrimination, obviously, but
that the Equal Opportunity program is having a very direct

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impact on a certain segment of our community being able
to get contracts, make money, build wealth, et cetera. I
will say, though, and this is something that's come up
in conversations and why this strategy, in my opinion, is
somewhat successful or successful enough to get this administration to
support they're looking for from our community and others, because

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we do have to be honest about the fact that
some people from our community did vote for this administration.
Is that and again, I would be very interested in
the panel that, well, what have these programs done for
me lately? I've never gotten access to that type of contract.
We've had generations of these contracts. It has not impacted
the economic reality in a significant way for let's call it,

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at least fifty percent of the black community. And I'm
never going to work at a corporate law firm, So
what does this have to do with me? And look,
you know, we can we can send some time on that,
but I do think we have to be real about
that sentiment that for a big segment of our community
there has not been that economic advancement. And we and

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getting back to one of the things that Ellie mentioned
when we're talking about, you know, building a successful coalition
an administration that will support having these types of opportunities available,
we have to think about what those economic messages are
going to be to be able to get enough people
to support in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Here's how I would address that. And I've heard this before.
Oh it hasn't benefited me. Okay, anybody in your family,
anybody in your neighborhood, anybody in your church. The reality

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is last year, and it's not like we should be
jumping up and down because it wasn't even two.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Percent the last year. The reality is that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Black contractors received ten billion dollars in federal contracts. Again,
it wasn't even two percent. So I would say to
those people, so do you want contractors getting five billion?
How about three billion? How about we go down to
two billion, Because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Here's the reality.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
In black neighborhoods, you have black organizations that are dependent
upon the largest of black people who work black churches HBCUs.
So when someone makes that comment, Mustafa, they're actually not

(01:05:49):
looking at black people in the aggregate or as a whole.
And so I hear people all you get his phrase
Democrats have never done anything for us, Well, that's also
a lie. I mean, so it's also a lot to
say Republicans have never done anything.

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I mean, there are little programs you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Can actually point to, but you can also say, okay,
so what do you think black life is without any
of those programs, Like if you if you like, if
you want to have that conversation, sure, let's have it
and we'll show you what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
That actually looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Doesn't look good, And that, to me, Mustaf is a
massive mistake if that is the position of a lot
of black people, because if that, because what you're then
doing is you're giving them license to say, oh yeah,
we can go ahead and gut it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
This ain't gonna be a problem at all.

Speaker 15 (01:06:52):
Right, we should actually be focused on how do we
expand the sets of opportunities that are in front of
us and understand the steps that are necessary. Because we
often on the show talk about the wealth gap that exists.
We know that this plays a small role in helping
to address that. We understand that. Let me let me
let's anchor it in this because folks miss this, and
I talk to people all across the country. These are

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your tax dollars. So if you're not getting some of
those tax dollars back, then that means that they're going
to other communities. They're going to others who may not
be looking for opportunities to reinvest inside it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
In fact, in fact, mostopus.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Let's take it back to Jim Crow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
There were decades that black people were paying into a
system if they never got anything back. They didn't get
they didn't get roads, bridges, schools, they didn't get in.
We were paying into this system. Literally, other white folks

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were being able to live a grand life because they
were benefiting from the tax dollars, property taxes, income taxes,
sales tax of black people during Jim Crow, and we
got virtually no benefit.

Speaker 15 (01:08:11):
That's exactly right, And I would encourage folks. I'm not
going to give you homework, but I would say, if
you really want to understand what's going on in this moment,
if you really want to be anchored in this conversation,
that we're happening right now. Go back and look at
President Andrew Johnson, because in eighteen sixty six he actually
vetoed the Civil Rights Act. He was against the Freedman's Bureau.
He believed that in the South, only white men should govern.

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Now that sounds really familiar to sets of actions that
are currently going on. So when Roland talks about you know,
in the other panelists who are sharing right now are
talking about resources and who has access to those resources.
And if we pretend like even though it may be
a smaller percentage that is coming into our communities like
that it is not a big deal, then we start

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this self fulfilling prophecy where people people can begin to
repeal and all other aspects of the economic life inside
of our communities and outside of that. So, I know
everybody means well when we have these conversations, but we
have to look deeper because many times we are having
a surface conversation and not really seeing the dynamics that

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go on behind the scenes. After decades of working in
the federal government and pushing back, even when I was
in the federal government against injustices that I saw, I
saw these opportunities for our communities to better be able
to fund, and nobody was giving us anything. It was
really our dollars that were being redirected to other communities,

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to other initiatives, and not the ones that communities were
actually asking for. So we just got to make sure
that we have a much better understanding of how we
build a stronger economic infrastructure with then gives us the
opportunity to create stronger infrastructure and all the other aspects
that are critical to healthy and sustainable communities, you know

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that come from from where we are.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Larry's also trying to get people to understand that if
you have black doctors in your neighborhood, you are benefiting
from programs. You want the black lawyers you want, you
want black entrepreneur entrepreneurs, You want black entrepreneurs in your area. Okay,

(01:10:43):
how do you think these things happen? See, I think
we make a serious mistake, and I get it when
we become so well, I haven't gotten anything and whenever
and I remember, I remember we were on the road.

(01:11:03):
I forgot where we were broadcasting, and my brother put
that out there. My response was, who did jask?

Speaker 12 (01:11:14):
What did you apply for?

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
I said? At some point, I said, you can't just
look at this as well, let it all go, because
I haven't benefited. When if we start breaking these things down,
Oh no, no, no, you've actually benefited. You've actually benefited
from a lot of this. But there's a difference between

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a direct benefit and an indirect benefit.

Speaker 7 (01:11:44):
Well, I've talked about it on the show before. We
have to first of all, and maybe this goes back
to like the Freedom School project and doing this doing
the summertime. We have to do a better job of
really in your show. That's why your show is so
important explain to people how these systems are linked. And
part of the reason why we're a president we have
to day is because people don't understand, don't understand some
of the basic simple ideas about federal resources. The other

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thing is, I want to highlight one thing you said
about You mentioned black physicians, lawyers, et cetera, the importance
of black physicians alone our in the community. Those study
came out a couple of years ago to found out
black infants of two to three more times two to
three more times more likely to die if they had
a white physician compared to having a black physician. And

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let let's sit for that for a second. In addition,
you know there are a lot of folks out here
who are getting away from the idea of communalism. The
reason why black folks are we are where we are today,
beyond the fact we've continued to deal with systemic racism,
is because we have a strong sense of communalism that
goes back to our answers or slaved Africans and Africans

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being brought here to the Nia States. This idea of
communalism is what's kept as as sane as possible. And
while we've been able to in some ways navigate these
in political and social systems. So this idea that you know,
people don't see how they're benefited is a we have
to do a better job of explaining to people how
like you did articulating how these systems work. B we

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have to do a good job of highlighting if these
systems don't exist, talk about we'll talk about Jim Crow
in terms of the challenges that black folks face. In addition,
we have to remind people even though there are some
of some of other people on our panel and some
black folks through out the country who are successful, it's
a reminder that those numbers should be quadruple what they are,

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whatever our discipline or a place of study is. But
because the system is embedded in white supremacy, even those
black folks have had a hard time getting to where
we are. So the idea is not it's not us.
It's not that we don't benefit the system.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
We do.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
The idea is, the system is so complicated and geared
towards you know, liviting our success that are you know,
you may not necessarily see it immediately or you know,
your immediate community, even if your benefit from it. The
idea is should be a lot more, far more Black
people thriving economically, politically, et cetera. If this system, if
we dismantled the system to make sure that black folks

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have the chance that we chances that we deserve as
US citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Okay, so somebody just posted somebody just yeah, holding them over.
So I just posted in the chat I found out
my doctor was racist during COVID. When I think about opioids,
the numbers have changed in the last several years, but

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in the first three to five years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Racism actually Know, people may think this sounds crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
That was probably one of the few times black people
benefited from racism. White doctors believe that black people had
drug problems, so therefore they prescribed black people to take tylanol.
They were initially prescribing white folks oxy cotton and a

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lot of the other powerful opioids. That's a perfect example
to Larry's point when you have black healthcare professionals who
were able. I just saw a story. I think her
last name was Castleberry. I get a very prominent sister
on YouTube, or she was on TikTok, it was something

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along those lines. She was social media.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Influencer and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
For eight months, her white doctors kept telling her that
she had a fibroid problem. Come to find out she
had cervical cancer. When it was finally diagnosed, it was
stage three. She died a few months later. So I
need people to understand that when you look at medical

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school programs, when you look at student loan programs, when
you look at like there have been things that have
been done that have aided the rise of black doctors
and black lawyers and black engineers and black professionals. And
also I think we got to also be willing to

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challenge our own people who don't know shit, because in
your own community, if you're like, Okay, do I accept
what I have or do I want to? I just
keep going back and just keep going back to my

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life growing up in Clinton Park in Houston. We live
eight blocks of my grandparents. My parents didn't go to college,
both worked combined, never made more than fifty thousand dollars
a year, five children, And when they decided to join

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others to launch a civic club, they were asking very
basic things. How do we get new street lights, how
do we get new streets? How do we tear down
overgrown lots? How do we get rid of these abandoned
houses that are now turned into crack dens. How do
we get stepped up police patrols. How do we get

(01:17:22):
our park rebuilt? How can we convert this old firehouse
into a senior citizen center. These are regular, ordinary people
who didn't have college degrees, who didn't have lots of money,
but they care enough to say, Okay, there are things
that we want in our neighborhood. Who do we go ask?

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Is it the city? Is it the county?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Is it the federal government? Is it the school district?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
That's what it is. I just think a lot of
times Morgan and I want you to make the point
that you were going to make, But I also want
y'all addressed this. I just think a lot of times
we let too many people in our community off the hook.
I think we do not challenge people in our community

(01:18:11):
enough to give a damn about where they live. And
I know somebody sitting here saying or roland as easy
for you to say positions that you're in. No, I'm
putting myself in that chair when I was ten and eleven.
I am not speaking through the lens of where I

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live and how much I make today. I'm looking at
when I was traveling with my mama to the state
Capitol for rallies with the Metropolitan Organization. I'm putting myself
in the position of being fourteen and fifteen and speaking
before the Houston City Council. I did not have politically connected,

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financially endowed parents or grandparents. What I did have, though,
What I did have, were a group of people who
actually gave a damn about their community, a group of
people who actually care enough. I just think we have
to at this moment, we have to be challenging our
folk to do less bitching and moaning and then do

(01:19:18):
more organizing and mobilizing more goan go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:19:22):
Well, look, Roland, I mean and I identify a lot
with what you said. I also have benefited from a
strong community. Challenges you know, came our way growing up,
but we were able to overcome them because of the
root of a strong community, strong parenting, and that put
me in a position I'm going to shout out. Also,
your first guest tonight, Michael Brown, was the beneficiary of
the Wrong Brown Scholar program that allowed me money to

(01:19:43):
pay for college, to pay for law school.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
So don't get me wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:19:47):
I mean these programs I do not dispute at all
that they have an impact. It is a tangible impact.
But what I'm saying, and what I'm hearing from people.

Speaker 18 (01:19:55):
Is it is not enough.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
We don't want a program. We want to be free.

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
And if you are getting stuck in your children in
an underperforming school district, where we know this is true,
you are not even learning how to read for real
by the time you hit high school, let alone how
to do math, then you are not being positioned to
actually take advantage of any of these opportunities.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
That might be available.

Speaker 9 (01:20:17):
Multiply that by a couple generations of living through that,
and we have to be honest about the fact that
we have a segment of our community that is not
in a position to really succeed and build strong community
and provide all of the resources role in that you
and I both had available to us.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
It sounds like, so why is that?

Speaker 9 (01:20:36):
I would say it is about the fact, in a big,
big way that people do not have enough money and
financial stability to be able to reinvest in their community
in that way. Are some people just checking out? I
absolutely think that's true. But let's even take the example
of a black doctor right now. That black doctor is
going to be entering a healthcare system that is going
to stress them out, that is not going to allow

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them to actually probably have an independent practice where they
would be able to be rooted in our community, sponsor
the Little League team, do all these things. They're going
to get gobbled up by United Healthcare, a huge monopoly
that's going to dictate how much they get paid when
they work, and if they don't play by those rules,
they will not have a job and be able to
practice medicine this country after probably accumulating two hundred thousand

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dollars in debt.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
So even at the higher end of the class spectrum.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
I would say, now we're running up against some of
these limits for us, let alone the people that have
not been able to get into a position based on
a substandard education they've received to access that type of opportunity.
And if we want to avoid or get out of
this mess that we currently find ourselves, then we have
to be real about that. We have to have a

(01:21:45):
more aggressive vision for what the future is going to
be so that more people from our community are in
a position to really reinvest in build strong communities.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Which is why I believe Mustapha to the point I
think earlier is that what.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
You can't do is lose what you already got.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
And I think the mistake that and I've heard some
people do this, the mistake that people make is Okay,
you say, well, like, for perfect example, if you look
at the federal MWBE contracts, white women get seventy eight

(01:22:27):
percent of those contracts, and so I'll have somebody to say, well,
that ain't benefiting us. But the black contracts last year
were a record ten billion. So the point you're making
all y'all making, I'm making as well. I don't want
to go backwards to try to go forward. My deal

(01:22:48):
is I'm a fight to get where we are right now,
to keep it where we are now, and build upon that.
The worst thing would be to sit here, which we
saw in two thousand and eight, in two thousand and nine, ten,
in twenty eleven, with the home for closure crisis, we

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saw fifty three percent of black wealth wiped out because
of the home for closure crisis. Now, I remember when
people were saying, oh my goodness, the richest black county
in America's Prince George's county. And I kept saying, I
need y'all to stop saying it's the richest county. I
need y'all to stop saying it's the wealthiest county.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
So I was like, why are you hating? So I'm
not hating. I said, do they own the homes outright?

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
I said no.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
I said, if there's an economic calamity, guess what, they're
gonna lose them homes. And what happened. Home for closure
crisis hit middle class, upper middle class Black communities across
America got demolished because a lot of folks couldn't afford

(01:24:03):
those balloon payments. I said, so stop saying somebody is wealthy.
Wealthy folks ain't gonna lose their house when the market
goes under.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
So I had to like ol people through that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
But where we cannot be, Moustafa, we cannot be in
a situation where we are losing ground voluntarily.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
That to me is what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
When people say, yeah, man, and we heard it last year. Man,
you know what, I rather have Trump back because I
had money in my pockets when Trump was there. You know,
you had money in your pockets when Trumck was there,
because that wasn't about Trump spots Like, well, what you
meaning what about Trump? I got an email from a
brother right content, Yeah, man, we had money in our

(01:24:49):
pockets when Trump was there. I said, PPP fraud is
not money in your pocket. I said, the so called
Trump economy of two thousand in seventeen, eighteen and nineteen,
that wasn't Trump, that was Obama. All the hell that
we went through in two thousand and nine, ten and eleven,

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positioned US for twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen,
and all the hell we went through coming out of
COVID after Trump screwed up in twenty twenty, and then
the hell in twenty twenty one and twenty two building
out of their county. That's Biden Harris. So I don't
want us to lose ground. That to me is the danger.

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When Morgan talked about the language that people are using,
the danger is they are willing to allow us to
seed ground that was fought with blood tears and black death.

Speaker 15 (01:25:56):
We just have to be extremely careful that we don't
continue folks, But we can't allow any of our folks
to lower expectations. I see it all the time. I've
worked in over a thousand communities. The places that thrive
have changed their mindset. They've done the work of learning
and listening and then bringing their own expertise and innovation

(01:26:17):
and ingenuity into a space and building. And when folks build,
then they're reaching over and behind to make sure that
somebody else is coming along. And then there's the expectation
that those folks have to do that we can't go back.
I ran track in college. I was pretty fast, and
if every time I got to the one hundred meter line,
if I'm running the four hundred and then I have

(01:26:39):
to go back fifty yards or go back to the
starting line and go there's no way that I could
ever win the race. And we've got to just make
sure I use that analogy because we have become so
used to being beaten down. We've become so used some
folks to not having the information, to not having somebody
who says, brother, sister, family, this is how you can

(01:27:00):
do this. And when we do this, then we can
get stronger together and we can make sure that more
folks are actually thriving, because so many people have just
been through so much that sometimes they get locked into
this survival mentality. And survival mentality means that you are
constantly on defense and you are never on offense, thinking
critically about how do I make moves, how do I

(01:27:21):
actually build a strong infrastructure not just underneath of myself,
but underneath of my family, and then expanding out to
my community and expanding out to my people. That's the
mindset that you have to get to. But you've also
got to have a place where people can help you
to learn how do you navigate these systems. We always
talk about breaking the system down. I think that that's

(01:27:43):
fantastic if it was a possibility. I think you got
to figure out how you navigate stuff, and you may
bring new elements in, but I'm always willing to learn.
So if somebody has figured out how do you completely
dismantle the system and rebuild it, I am more than
willing to listen to that.

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
But until I.

Speaker 15 (01:28:01):
See that in practice and see it how it is
uplifting enough of us, then we've got to make sure
that we are actually holding our arms around each other,
making sure that nobody's just holding on to information and
lessons learned and best practices and making sure that folks
are getting that information and that we're trusting each other.

(01:28:22):
But trust comes through interactions and for people showing up,
even folks who look like us, we still got to
continue to show up. And if we're going to build trust,
then we've got to stick and stay with each other.
And that is so critical in this moment because if
we are not truly and I heard Larry earlier talking
about community, if we are not building real community in

(01:28:42):
this moment, then a whole bunch of folks are going
to be in some very devastating situations because there is
intentionality and making sure that they are stripping away the
various resources, but also the erasure of the successes that
have happened and we can't allow that. And that means
that not only that we operate with our hands and

(01:29:05):
making sure that we are shouting out and educating, but
we also have to make sure that we are utilizing
these amazing brains that we have that have helped us
over four hundred years to not just survive inside this country.
But that is going to require commitment, and we have
to make the decision if we're going to commit to
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Now, y'all know I always do this, always always lay
out where there is something biblical that you can apply
to what I just laid out. And when I was
talking about how we cannot see any ground, how it
is our responsibility to fight for what we've gotten so far.

(01:29:46):
The reason I need people who are watching and listing
to hear this but also spread this, it's because we
make a massive mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
When we didn't we make we this generation.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
When I hear people say the things that all three
of you have talked about, I've said, I believe that
when people make those statements, they're making it out of anger, fear, frustration, brokenness.
But they also, as far as I'm concerned, are insulting
the very folk who did the fighting because the inches

(01:30:32):
that folk fought for, we may want to see yards
they were. They were fighting for inches, and they were
able to gain things. And I think about and always
when I think about, how do you fight over something
that you've already won, I always think about to go

(01:30:54):
to Henry, go to my iPad. Always think about this,
this fantastic story of David's Mighty Men in Second Samuel
twenty three, where there was a field of lentils and
Israel's troops fled from them. But Seamer was like, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. If God gave us this, I'm gonna
fight over this, this insignificant field of lentils.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
And it said He's took his stand in the middle
of the field.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
He defended it and struck the Philistines down, and the
Lord brought them by a great victory. My position, Larry,
and I'm gonna go to a final round each.

Speaker 12 (01:31:30):
One of you is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
I'm not about to act like that thing is small
and insignificant. I'm not going to not fight for black
OneD media dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
When John H.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Johnson and Earl Graves and countless others were man trying
were beating those doors down. I'm not going to sit
here and say, well, yeah, I'm not gonna fight for
this federal contract in programs or the Minority Business Development Agency,
when it were folks who were doing the work to
make that stuff happen. When you talk about Parent Mitchell Congress,

(01:32:10):
from parent Mitchell of Baltimore, that made that his life's
mission in Congress when it came to black contracts, when
it came to Maynod Jackson, what he did, Marion Barry,
Andrew Young and so many others.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
I believe this is where freedom schools are important. This
is where.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Reminding a lot of our folk how we got here
is critically important and letting them know this ain't no.
This is not a moment where you give up what
was fought for. This is a moment where you say, no,
I'm going to go after and grab more Land, more territory,

(01:32:53):
but I'm not gonna go backwards.

Speaker 7 (01:32:58):
Always forward. And what is that saying about. If you
don't know history, you're doing to repeat it. And I
think that ties into we're talking about this evening. You
have to know the history. And that's why you and
I talked about the ports of freedom schools and the
educating some folks. The other thing is Roland is the
point your highlighting is something I've expressed to people during
this difficult time is continue to fight forward, maintain we

(01:33:20):
have to to fight forward. I believe if I'm quiet,
that means I'm complicit, and I refuse to be complicit.
So we have to, like I said, no steps back,
always moving forward. We understand historically the black people always
were fighting against the storm since the first to slay
the Africans of over here in the sixteen nineteen, and

(01:33:40):
it's always been that case. But we have to continue
to step asked. The other thing I want to add
is I'm going to go back to something Morgan said
because it our phrase popped into my head. Black people
who feel like they don't benefit the from the system.
Michelle Lexander called them the undercast, right, those individuals who
feel like they're permanently locked out of the system. We
have to make sure they understand it and nderstanding that

(01:34:00):
those people feel that way for a reason. But once again,
we have to also explain them that are that there
are opportunities to use the system or you know, work
within systems within our own community to make sure they
can advance and continue to do well. The other thing
I will add is that Rowland, you know, you know,
to say an issue, we started from the bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Now we're here.

Speaker 7 (01:34:19):
Black folks have always been fighting to fighting to pull
ourselves up. And so you know, many of us come
from you know, some not always come from you know,
you know, middle class families. Some of alays come from
working class and underserved communities, but they are some of
the most successful Black folks in our in our in
our community have come from very underserved backgrounds, and so
we have to continue a member that. Yeah, there's folks

(01:34:41):
out there considering who might be considered part of the undercast,
but there are still stories of black folks who be
regardless of their economic or political situation, have continued to fight,
stood steadfast, and be found a way to navigate these systems.
To make sure we can all think it all.

Speaker 12 (01:34:56):
Prosper Morgan.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Deletely on board with fighting to preserve what we have gained,
and I agree that.

Speaker 9 (01:35:04):
Should be a priority. My main point is it is
not sufficient. How do we know Donald Trumps president?

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
And so.

Speaker 9 (01:35:12):
How we look forward is important. The consensus we're building
as a community about what we are working towards is
important and I think it's also important to make sure
that we're listening to as many people as possible, including
a lot of young people who have very different perspectives
in my experience, So yeah, absolutely fight we have to maintain.

(01:35:34):
These programs have an impact. The contracts that we've been
able to secure, have an impact, but it is not enough,
and we have to be honest about that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Mustafa.

Speaker 15 (01:35:45):
I use the words of my grandmother that folks have
heard me say before. You have power unless you give
it away. You give your power away when you sit
on the couch and you don't get up and vote.
You give your power away when you allow folks to
take your rights away around tracting or economic opportunities. You
give your power away when people stop you having the

(01:36:05):
ability to go to certain institutions to learn. You give
your power away when people take away your health care.
You give your power away when people tell you that
that's not the right community for you, or you can't
afford to live in that community. We give our power
away all the time because we start to believe the
narrative that others create. So my grandmother was right, we

(01:36:28):
got to stop giving our power away.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Folks, hold tight one second going to a break. We'll
be right back for our final segment right here on
Roland Martin Unfiltered on a Black Stun Network.

Speaker 19 (01:36:42):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Call, we
look at the history of eminpation around for including right
here in the United States, the so called end of slavery.
Trust me, it's a history lesson that there is no
resemblance to what you learned.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
This week.

Speaker 10 (01:37:01):
On a Balance Life, we are talking about protecting your
peace when life be life is. I mean, honestly, so
much is going on from dealing with chaotic leadership, trying
to figure out how we're going to work on these
ninety day holds, how to unburden ourselves from the things
that are happening in our lives, all the way through
knowing what it means and what it looks like to
just take the time to work on self.

Speaker 15 (01:37:23):
How much.

Speaker 17 (01:37:25):
Are you spending on wasteful movements like what energy audit
do you need to do on your personal time in
your personal life, Because maybe some people don't need to
have that front seat perspective on your life. Maybe some
people need to be in a different position where they
don't cloud your view.

Speaker 10 (01:37:43):
That's next on a balance life with doctor Jackie Here
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Speaker 20 (01:37:50):
Russell ol Honore Litener Gerald United States are retired and
you're watching Roald Martin unhealthy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
In in.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
In in.

Speaker 12 (01:38:19):
In in.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
In in in in in in.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Check out this mugshot of a former Donald Trump spiritual advisor.
Robert Morris, led a megachurch in the Dallas area, turned
himself into Oklahoma authorities on child sex abuse charges. Robert,
the founder of Gateway Church, is facing five counts of

(01:39:46):
lude or indecent acts to a child. The charger's day
back to the nineteen eighties, with Morris, then a traveling preacher,
allegedly abused a twelve year old girl over a period
of four years. Cindy Jima Shire, the woman who came
forward with these allegations, says she's waited more than forty
years for this moment and now she's calling for justice.

(01:40:08):
Morris resigned from Gateway Church last year after these allegations surfaced.
His ties to Donald Trump made him a prominent figure
in conservative Christian circles. He's facing up to twenty years
in prison for each charge. He's released on fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Thousand dollars bond.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
You know it's interesting, you know, you know, Larry, I
haven't heard MAGA talk a lot about this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
I wonder why.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder watch too. This story has been
up there for a while, Roland, and you know, hopefully
the victim gets justice, somehow gets justice. And so it's
very interesting that, you know, I don't know that these
people keep surrounding themselves with these kind of people with
DV and behaviors. It's certainly not a coincidence. You haven't

(01:41:00):
heard a peek for this, but if if it was,
if it was a brother, you you probably hear about
it from on every possible podcast possible. But this just
goes to show you the difference between rhetoric and belief.
And so if you know, many of these people believe
suggest that they are, they believe in, you know, in religion,

(01:41:22):
then obviously, first of all, they should denounce. You should denounce,
but they should denounce them ludly and publicly, just like
if they if this was some you know, certainly it
was some Democrat or some liberal or whatever phrason they
were used. If it was someone else, you would you
would hear about it non stop. So I want to
hear the same energy for this despicable accusation. Like I

(01:41:42):
said that, you have just been out there for quite
some time, and once again, finally I roll and I
hope that the victim gets justice because we can't allow
this kind of behavior from a public figure for anyone
else in our society.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Can you only imagine Morgan if this was a black
preacher who endorsed Vice President the Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Yeah, I think we know that that would be very different.

Speaker 9 (01:42:06):
And I do think this is an example of just
how far gone in terms of values decency.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
We've been.

Speaker 9 (01:42:15):
I don't think the American people have been desensitized to
it overall, but it's just not something that even becomes
relevant and discussing as president, I mean even you know
his own sexual abuse violations, and you know, it's a
dark time in that way where we've kind of lost
any sort of common understanding of what values we stand

(01:42:35):
for as a society. And I'm not that optimistic how
quickly it'll take us to re establish those Mistapha.

Speaker 15 (01:42:46):
I guess the question becomes for all of these leaders,
whether they're in religious institutions or governmental positions, we should
be taking a deep look and asking ourselves based upon
their sets of actions. Do we see darkness or do
we see light? And are we following if they're embracing darkness,
are we following them? And does that mean that we

(01:43:07):
also have now become a line with the hate and
negativity and darkness. So I hope folks will take a
deep dive into the folks that you put so much
faith into and begin to have a deeper understanding of
who they truly are, what they truly believe in, and
what it says about you if you don't do anything

(01:43:27):
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks. A campaign group called led
by Donkeys has staged the world's biggest anti Elon Musk
protest by carving out a two hundred and fifty meter
long don't buy a Tesla message on a Welsh beach.

Speaker 12 (01:43:45):
This is awesome.

Speaker 21 (01:43:48):
My name's Prahmer and I've been a Tesla owner for
six years. We used to joke that Elon Mosque was
like a real life Iron Man, but then I think
there so many things that have happened. He's gone into
becoming someone who is obsessed by power and that's really
changed my view on him. And when he started getting

(01:44:12):
onto the ticket of the extreme far right. That's when
I started thinking, I'm not really sure I should be
driving a Tesla. That the pinnacle, I'd say, the absolute
pinnacle was the Nazi salute that you know, of course,
has become very infamous now, but at that point there

(01:44:35):
was no timing back. My message to anyone who's thinking
of buying a Tesla, don't put your money towards this
extremism and division of society. Please don't buy a Tesla.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Hmm, wow, that was pretty impressive. I gotta show y'all
this here. Y'all, y'all are gonna laugh at this one,
because you know, there's nothing like the stupidity of people
on the Fox News. And and and I really hate
to say when you're brother that that that that that
you are stupid.

Speaker 8 (01:45:49):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
That's pretty much what Lawrence B.

Speaker 12 (01:45:53):
Jones is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
I mean, the boy ain't bright. Okay, the boy's not
bright whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
But I saw this on I saw I thought of
this woman, she's decoding Fox News and she literally watches
Fox News or praise the Lord for her sanity and
pray for her. But if you want to understand how
nutcase these people are, this is back to back days

(01:46:22):
on Fox News talking about Tesla and electric vehicles. This
shows you, remember these right wingers watch this crap every
single day.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
They're being fed stupidity.

Speaker 20 (01:46:34):
Listen where they had an array of five different Teslas,
including a red, white, and blue one, and the President
picked the red one.

Speaker 12 (01:46:44):
He bought it.

Speaker 20 (01:46:45):
Apparently he wrote a check to Elon Musk before it
right on the spot.

Speaker 18 (01:46:48):
Yeah, he doesn't like direct deposit, he said, But I
love what Seawan did.

Speaker 12 (01:46:52):
He bought.

Speaker 15 (01:46:52):
He bought a Tesla, right, two of them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Two of them.

Speaker 8 (01:46:54):
I bought one for radio that he's going to give
to someone who wins that contest.

Speaker 18 (01:46:58):
I bought a personal one into park, selling his other
car and replacing the test. So, friends at Fox news
dot com, if you've done the same thing, or try
to take action, because this guy's trying to donate his
time and his expertise to the country, getting no money
and his companies are paying the price, let alone him
not being at.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
The head of it.

Speaker 18 (01:47:14):
And yesterday one of my supporters are a radio show,
the Dollar Loan Center, they bought two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars worth of Tesla's stock and they went out
and bought a brand new vehicle.

Speaker 12 (01:47:25):
For their fleet.

Speaker 18 (01:47:26):
Yeah, because they are so outraged about what's happening.

Speaker 12 (01:47:30):
And if you've done that, just do it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Listen. They're not cheap, but they're great cars.

Speaker 18 (01:47:34):
Thirty five thousand dollars for the cheapest one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
That's very so.

Speaker 11 (01:47:38):
This is the very next day, also on Fox and Friends.

Speaker 9 (01:47:43):
I cannot make this up.

Speaker 11 (01:47:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 22 (01:47:46):
When I decide to go on vacation and get an
electric car, i'd' even know it was an electric car.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
We're not ready for this.

Speaker 22 (01:47:51):
There's not enough charging stations, and then you don't know
what's connected.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Works are not.

Speaker 22 (01:47:56):
It's people want options. If people want to drive an
electric car, it's up to the people just want old
fashioned guess that works. You can just go to a
puppet feel They should have that option as well.

Speaker 18 (01:48:08):
But in the New Green Deal, which was the Inflation
Reduction Act, there's money and infrastructure. There's money for the
charging stations. They didn't follow through or eight of them, right, Yeah,
we're making them. The whole sense of the earth will
disappear if we don't drive an electric car is pretty
much over.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
The sheer stupidity mustafa that it's on display on that
network is astounding and the thing is, uh, listen, the
late the radios came out, This showed that they were
beating the broadcast networks in prime time. They feed drivel
to a bunch of people, and they believe the lies

(01:48:53):
and stupidity every single day and night.

Speaker 15 (01:48:57):
And it's unfortunate because anybody has done any basic reading
would understand and you know, not only that the climate
crisis is real, but in many of the locations that
are having these impacts are places that desperately need us
to be able to do whatever we can to stop
these extreme weather events. And of course, electric vehicles help

(01:49:20):
us to break the addiction to fossil fuels. So folks
are actually hurting themselves when they continue to consume this
misinformation and disinformation, Because we need to be clear. Misinformation
just means you made a mistake. Possibly disinformation means a
real intentionality in you sharing information that is not true. Now,

(01:49:40):
the truth is that Tesla is their stock drop fifty
three percent, so you know, and there are other evs
that are out there now that have longer ranges, are
doing better on some of the various driving tests that
are out there, but that doesn't have anything to do
with the fact that these folks one day will say
this is the greatest thing ever. You need to go

(01:50:02):
out and take whatever bid money you have and invest
into a billionaire's company, and then the next day to
say that it doesn't make any sense for you to
invest in these types of vehicles. And then the last thing,
I'll say, it's so ridiculous when you have Trump who
came in and Biden had put the funds in place
to make sure that there were ev charging stations, to

(01:50:23):
make sure that we're having cleaner forms of energy, all
the things that are necessary to help all communities be
safer and healthier, and then for them not to acknowledge
that and just make it seem like somebody wasn't doing
their job. It takes time to build out a grid,
it takes time to build out the charging stations across
the nation. And when you are constantly starting and stopping

(01:50:46):
and starting and stopping because we have these different administrations
that come in who don't understand the steps that are necessary,
then you should put the blame where it belongs, and
that's in those who have been climate deniers and those
who've been stopping our progress on a green or clean economy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
You know, I just you know, Morgan, I really laugh
at how these free market people who would be going
crazy if President Joe Biden was every single day pushing
a company to buy it to support by their stock
that I love that idiot, Brian que mean, I mean,
he's giving his time. He's not getting paid. I mean,

(01:51:28):
you know, he could be running his company. That's his choice.
He's choosing to do this here. So don't come to
crying to me when this is what happens to your
stock price. That ain't my hey again, all I got
for you is Scarface's song No Tears. So stock is
down thirty six percent the last month. They've lost what

(01:51:52):
seven eight hundred billion dollars in market cap. I can't
wait till he hit one hundred bucks, because what's gonna
happen is it keeps dropping. It keeps dropping, and and
here and here's the other thing that I think it's hilarious.
I gotta, I gotta pull.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
This up here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
So he's been you know, he was touting the indestructible
cyber truck and and how it was bulletproofd Uh. The
only problem, Morgan, they're now having to recall a lot
of these because of this. Yeah, the parts are falling

(01:52:44):
off the uh looks like they use super glue. So
it's a little it's a little hard Morgan for me
to believe that, oh, this indestructible cyber truck. Yeah, it's
falling apart because the glue is coming apart.

Speaker 9 (01:53:03):
Yeah, and it really does seem like, you know, part
of the reason why to the extent there are people
left that are giving Elon muslm benefit of the doubt.
They're not many, but it is this idea that he's
this you know, technological genius and he's created so much value.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
Tesla's the most amazing car ever.

Speaker 9 (01:53:17):
And look, I mean it was one of the you know,
definitely the most successful early ev car in the US.
Though of course there are cars being made other places
that are also very advanced, but that's another conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
But no, I mean the fact that this.

Speaker 9 (01:53:30):
Guy now has a global movement against him, that's just
astounding to me. That you have people all over that
are saying, we hate this guy, make him go away.
But it's not surprising because as we know, our policies,
the White House has the ability, especially through things like
the trade policy, to impact the financial bottom lines of
people all over the globe. And so the fact that

(01:53:54):
we also have other billionaires that are friends with him
that are now trying to lead protests and get people
activated against him, I think that tells us that, you know,
the public sentiment has definitely turned against him. Whether or
not that'll translate into other punishment for the administration at large,
I guess we'll have to wait and see. But I

(01:54:14):
do think it's a good idea to continue to just
point people on that corruption point. And it reminds me
rolling of you know, because I'm in Ohio, so there's
all sorts of people with all sorts of political views,
and people like, well, what's.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
The big deal second Trump administration?

Speaker 16 (01:54:27):
This and that?

Speaker 9 (01:54:28):
And you know, one of the things that went to
is like, it does seem that they're being pretty clear
that there's going to be conflicts of interests, that there's
going to be corruption, that cronies around the president are
going to be taking financial advantage of this position. And
that's exactly what we're seeing happen. And there's no better
example than Elon Musk.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
And here's what I find to be the most laughable,
Larry the people your company was built on people who
believe in climate change who did not want to support
the fossil fuel industry. You got massive tax breaks to
the tunes of billions of dollars from California, from Nevada,

(01:55:09):
from Texas, a solar panel company in New York State Buffalo,
more than a billion dollars that actually tanked. Okay, and
he ain't even producing solar panels all that sort of stuff.
Your company was built literally on the backs of progressives

(01:55:30):
and liberals. Red State hates electric vehicles. Trump hates electric vehicles.
But then when you gave him three hundred million dollars
for your campaign, all of a sudden, he's loving teslas.
It's all a con, it's all a grift. So for

(01:55:50):
somebody who's supposedly smart and brilliant, you got to be
stupid as hell to essentially destroy the the the audience,
your consumer base for Trump. And now you're crying because
they're protesting and they're burning teslas. And there's a poll

(01:56:12):
that was taken the other day ninety four percent of
German say we will never buy a Tesla because he
made the Nazi the Nazi move.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
When he spoke Trump rally.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
So I'm sorry, I have absolutely no tears for him whatsoever.
And you know what, Sean Handy can't buy enough Teslas
to save his.

Speaker 7 (01:56:38):
Ass, So you know there. I think there are a
couple of points. First of all, if you believe in
capitalism and free market, then this is what you get
when you don't provide the product or your political affiliation
turns off the people more likely to buy buy your vehicle.
That's just the way it is. The second point I

(01:56:58):
want to make is Musk is the great biggest beneficiary
of government, government welfare. Let's be clear about what this is.
Call them subsidiaries, but it's really just it's government welfare
in the billions of not trillions of dollars. At this point, thoroughly,
I want to make a connection to those two video
clips you showed because when you read about authoritarianism, one

(01:57:21):
of the things you know is about the media, print
or TV, digital, et cetera, is that when they report
misinformation and people consume it and believe it to be true.
So you see that big contradiction from you know, buy
by teslast, just don't buy any any other vehicles that
might be similar, which once again is a contradiction. Is

(01:57:42):
if you believe in in capitalism. So I think those
are the three points I want to make. Is you know,
you know, is showing those video clips is why we're
not moving towards we're in authority government in my opinion.
And then, like I said, secondly, you can't you can't
do things that are going to piss off the people
buy your cars, and so now you have to find

(01:58:02):
out and if you believe in capitalism, let the market
sort it out. And if you go bankrupt, that's what
the market decided. No one wants to buy your cars,
and so you have to start from scratch like everyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
I just I just found this to just be utterly hilarious,
and the Trump people are just really losing it. Mustafa
Pam Bondi was on Fox News.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
I think she is she might Why does he become
attorney general?

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
She should decided to become a Fox News contributor because
she's actually unfoxible than she is at the Department of
a Justice.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
So she goes on to so this I love all
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Here she goes on Fox just to cry, if you
mess with the Tesla, We're gonna come after you. Donald Trump.
In this interview with law Ingram, this is how hilarious
people are. I know the people at GM and Ford
Christ got to be saying this is stupid. Listen to
this one I find to be just only insulting.

Speaker 22 (01:59:02):
Do you consider what's happening an act of domestic political
terrorism against one of your allies?

Speaker 16 (01:59:09):
So Elan is a patriot, And again I hardly knew
Ilan until the election, and he turned out that he
liked me better than he liked these radical lunatics that
we were in, better than Kamala, better than Joe, you know,
because he's an intelligent person. He liked and he backed me,
and he went and he got very much involved. He
thought he actually would go around saying if Trump doesn't win,

(01:59:31):
our country is over.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
But do you consider this an act of donistic chure?

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
I think I think so.

Speaker 15 (01:59:35):
Why.

Speaker 16 (01:59:36):
I think that if and when they catch the people,
and I hope they do. The good thing is they
have a lot of cameras in those places, and they've
caught some already. Having to do with that, I think
that you will find out that they're paid by people
that are very highly.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
So Muchtafa, the dude who partoned the January sixth domestic
terrorists believe that the people who are attacking Tesla dealerships.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
That's domestic terrorism. Quite ironic.

Speaker 15 (02:00:07):
It is ironic, and it's just foolishness. It's distraction. And
you know, I'd love to see what his definition of
domestic terrorism actually is then, because we know, especially in
relationship to our communities, we know what domestic terrorism is
because we've had to deal with it for four hundred
plus years. But besides that, he knows that the power

(02:00:29):
that people have economically is the only thing that they respect.
It's the only thing that gets their attention. So when
people pull their dollars away, when they say I'm not
messing with Tesla anymore, then that gives them great concern
and they try and then utilize all of this disinformation
to get people back in line and to make them think, well,

(02:00:51):
you have to do whatever I say. And people are like, nah,
whether it's thirty seven thousand dollars or one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars depending on which brand you might want
to buy, longer interested in that, And that is people's
choice and that is people's power.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Well, Morgan Elon posted this tweet, and I thought this
is the appropriate way to end the show, and want
you to close this out, go to my iPad hen me.
He says, this level of violence is insane and deeply wrong.
Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing. You
deserve these evil attacks. Well, Morgan, allow me to substitute

(02:01:27):
where he mentions Tesla.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
I'll say federal workers, right right.

Speaker 4 (02:01:35):
Yeah, no, absolutely, And.

Speaker 9 (02:01:39):
Of course we know that there's no empathy at all
for what they're doing the federal worker. Luckily, we see
some of these court cases that are pushing back, like
we were discussing earlier, pushing back on some of those dismissials.
But a lot of the damage has been done and
that's going to continue to have ripple effects throughout our
community and communities across the country.

Speaker 4 (02:01:57):
The other thing I would note is we need to
be very careful here.

Speaker 9 (02:02:00):
Because this word terrorism and how they're defining it and
starting to just define it more broadly and broadly and broadly,
it can start to potentially and it sounds like they're
going to try to make it capture all sorts of
activity that might be things that we're used to being
able to do in the US pursue it to the

(02:02:22):
Constitution and the First Amendment, and so we're seeing this
having connections to different immigration decisions and it's very very serious, so,
you know, and listening to that, I was also thinking Roland,
just coming back to one of the things Elie was
talking about in terms of what are levels levers of
power here and speaking out about these kinds of things

(02:02:43):
is one of them. You know, it can be kind
of ridiculous and funny, but based on how they're moving
using that word, I think we need to be we
need to be hitting the streets and making it clear
that this is not the type of United States of
America that we want.

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
To be living in.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
No agreat so shortly appreciated. Let me thank you. Stop up,
Morgan Larry Be on Today's Canada.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Thanks a lot. All right, folks, that's it for us.
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