Defense Dept. deletes Jackie Robinson info, DOGE cuts Fair Housing Grants, DOE grants reinstated

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey, folks.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Today is Wednesday, March nineteen, twenty twenty five. Coming up
on Rolling Mark Unfortuate Simon live on the Black Start Network.
I am here in Austin, Texas. You can see behind
me the Texas State Capitol of the Governor of Texas
is playing games when it comes to scheduling a election
for the seat of deceased Congressman Sevets. The turn of

(00:48):
the eighteenth Congressional District in Houston. We'll be talking about
that also with one of the folks, so who's running.
We expect as many as fifteen people to throw their
hats into the ring for this particular seat. Also here
in Texas, they were talking about DEEI on.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
The floor of the Texas Senate.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You see the battles of the continue to take place
all across this country.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Also, I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Tell y'all about this massive Confederate monument that's on the
grounds here in Texas. And if you want to understand
how MAGA is operating, they defend Confederate monuments, yet they
are removing the pages of historic African Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
In Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
The Trump boats got busted removing the page from the Department
Defense regarding Jackie Robinson's work in the US Army. Now
they put it back. We'll be talking to Spike Lee
about that. Also, HUD has been sued for changes that
they're making as well to follow Trump's.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
MAGA dictate lots.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're gonna break down the town to bring the punk
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he's rolling fonte.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Hey, folks, Uh, we've been telling you a lot about
what is happening in Washington, d C. And how maga's
doing all they can to erase black people. In a
little bit, we're gonna be talking talking with director Spike Lee,
who was really a set with a Department of Defense
removing the pages regarding Jackie Robinson from by the tenure

(03:07):
in the United States Army. So we're gonna talk about
that in a second. But let me explain to you
how these mag of people operate. So as I said,
I'm here in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
State capitol as you see it right here. But I
want you to understand something. So you see above there
the other US flag and you have the Texas state
flag as well. And so this here the grounds of
the Texas State Capitol. So as I pan left, I
want you to see this right here, this, folks, here

(03:38):
is a massive Confederate monument that sits on the grounds
of the Texas State Capitol. Yeah, you heard that right,
So let me walk over here, and I want you
to I want you to see something. And so what
you're gonna see is again, so.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
What this is.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
This is a massive monument to domestic terrorists. So when
you see this monument here, so you see right there
it says God for States rights guarantee under the Constitution. Well,
those of us who know our own history, no, that's
absolute trash. We know it was about slavery. And so

(04:18):
you see up there how they first say it said,
Southern Confederacy formed by following the states withdrawing from Union
South Carolina December twentieth, eighteen hundred and sixty.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
South Carolina course was.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
The first state to succeed from the Union over the
issue of slavery. Anybody who actually read their document of
succession knows it was about Slavery's excuse me. So you
go around here, and so you're.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Going what you're gonna see is you're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
On this side here, you see these are all the
battles as well. So you see up here Mississippi January ninth,
Florida January eleventh, Alabama January eleventh, Georgia January nineteenth, eighteen.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Hundred and sixty one.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
And so then we go on this side over here,
then what you're going to see is up top, you're
going to see Louisiana January twenty sixth, Texas February first,
Virginia April seventeenth, Arkansas May sixth, eighteen hundred and sixty one.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
So they're listed.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
When these are all the dates when these states seceded
from the Union. Then of course you see up here
North Carolina May twentieth, Tennessee June twenty fourth. Hey, how
you doing, Missouri August August twentieth, Kentucky December tenth, eighteen hundred.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And sixty one. So then of course you go over.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Here and then you're going to see them claiming again
the two hundred and eighty the number of battles it
took place Confederate folks, they said were twenty two hundred
and fifty seven engagements, eighteen hundred and eighty two of these,
at least one regiment took part a number of men
enlisted Confederate armies.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
And so, so.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Understand what we're seeing right here, what we're seeing right
here on the grounds of the Texas Capitol. That means
when every single child in Texas, black children as well,
when they come to the Texas Capitol. A little bit earlier,
I was in I came here to visit some state
state representatives and some state senators, folks I've known for years.
So I ran into a group of folks from the NAACP.

(06:20):
They also had the Black Chamber Day here.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
At the US Capitol, so I ran to them on
the grounds.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
And so these black kids, So when black children come
to the Texas State Capitol, they are walking past this
massive Confederate monument that you see right here. So these
folks they want to get rid of DEI, they want
to get rid of in DC, they want to get
rid of historic black figures and female figures and instead

(06:47):
this is the perfect example of what you're seeing in
these formerly confederate states where they have no problem with
these massive monuments to these domestic terrorists. And let me
also remind you if y'all get Gerald Horn's book, if
you get his book on the Texas Revolution, the Texas
Revolution set the stage for the Civil War. In the

(07:08):
Texas Revolution, the Texas Revolution was all about slavery.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
It was about slavery.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
And so when you sit here and you look at
when you look at this Texas capital, and when you
see when you hear folks talk about the Texas Revolution,
understand they framed this as about Oh, it was about freedom,
and it was all about the battle. No, that's not
what it was about.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
So again this here is this monument to domestic terrorists, okay,
people who fought in the Confederacy. And of course it
was all about for Texas to be free of Mexico.
Texas became its own nation. Mexico had abolished slavery. And
so if you go to San Antonio, when you hear
the phrase remember the Alamo, y'all, that's a slave reference

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the Alamo. That was a battle over slavery, the Battle
at San Jncento, that was about defeating Mexico because Mexico
wanted to stop slavery in the places it controlled. And
so here you have there's a hotel literally down the
street named after Stephen of Austin. Okay, of course they

(08:23):
call it Stephen F. Austin, you know, the father of
the father of Texas.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And then you have Sam Houston. Well, here's the fact.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The fact of the matter is here in Texas, those individuals,
those settlers, okay, whom Mexico allowed to settle the land,
they wanted to keep slavery for economic reasons.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
So I'm laying all of that out to you. So
you now have.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
An understanding that when we're dealing with MAGA in this country,
how they want to stop certain textbooks, when they want
to get rid of any number of things. These same
people have no problem defending my monuments like this. They
want to keep these monuments standing. And so the problem
is this here when children today in Texas, in Alabama,

(09:10):
in Mississippi, in Tennessee, in South Carolina, when they travel
all around, you know what ends up happening. They are
being indoctrinated with Confederate history. They're being indoctrinated when they
see these statues, when they see these monuments to these
white domestic terrorists. These were the people who were defending slavery.

(09:32):
They were not defending the Constitution. And so even here, okay,
and again I'm a native Texan, and so whenever I
see these Texas politicians, when I see them postings like
celebrating Texas Flag Day Revolution, I said, no, I'm reminding
people exactly what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
It is actually about slavery.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
And in fact, when you at Rick Perry when he
was the governor of Texas, so Texas and them plays
an annual football game with the University of South Carolina,
and so he wanted to come up something creative a
trophy for that game. So what they did is they
came with the trophy and they named it after a
man from South Carolina who fought at the Alamo. And

(10:20):
I've said to black players at Texas, A and M
and the universe South Carolina, whoever wins that game, don't
you dare hold that trophy up because you're holding up
a Confederate monument. You're holding up a trophy that is
celebrating a man who wanted to keep black people in slavery.

(10:40):
He died at the Alamo. He was not interested in
black freedom. He was interested in white freedom and to
continue slavery. And so what we are facing here in
this country, we're facing MAGA and others who desperately want
this history to be told. They want this history to
constantly be repeated. They want our children to be indoctrinated

(11:05):
in learning about this history, learning about white history, learning
about these domestic terrorists. And again, I just want you
to understand, y'all, see this massive monument that.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Exists right here.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
This here is the main thoroughfare in front of the
Texas State capital. This over here is the Texas Capitol.
You see there's a monument that's right over here. That's
a small monument. You go over here, and then you
see this other monument here. But this massive monument is
to white domestic terrorists who want to keep black people enslaved.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's what this monument is.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And so when we look at what MAGA is doing
right now, by of course trying to get rid of
the pages representing Jackie Robinson his service for the US Army,
they get riding of getting rid of the pages about
Congressional Medal of Honor, winners of the Mega evers and others.
Now that they got called out by sports journalists, all
of a sudden, they're saying, oh, that was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
We didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well this morning, folks, when I was coming to flying
to Austin, I got an email from my homeboy, Spike
Lee asked me what was I aware of? And I
told Spike we've been covering this stuff, this erasure of
African America. He said, man, I gotta come on and
so joining us right now and rolling out unfiltered this.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Spike Lee was up, a Spike, what's up? What was up?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Was up?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I apologize for being late, but good listen, listen, I
was supposed to do speaking of that truth.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
Brother keeps speaking of truth because what they're trying to
do they got caught with the Shenanigans skulduggery, subterfuge, and
now they try to backtrack, but too late. And now
we had the of the response by David Robinson, son
of Jackie.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And Rachel, the queen.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Who's still alive today one hundred years old, and they
got caught with their pass down. Yeah, but We're not
going for the okie dope, the woody pot.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Doing it, the spike.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
The reason I wanted to start this way again, I'm
standing at this is a Confederate monument on the Texas
State Grounds. When our kids come to Texas Capital, they
gotta walk past this crap. And that's what they want.
They want us to celebrate this stuff. But they don't
want us to celebrate and remember Jackie Robinson. And now
they're trying to say, oh, it was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, what they did was they typed in.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
Dak He's up the only one outside of mistake.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
They've done to African Americans. Come on, Japanese Americans, it's
something you know what.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
But I don't want to curse.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
No, no, no, trust me, you can't.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
My show is called rolling Out unfiltered as a cursing
is allowed.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
But here's a thing. They also the Navajo code breakers.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
One of the men who has put that flag of
an Ewo Jima, it removed his pages.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
The reality is that's what my book is called white fear.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
While the Browni Americans making wife fors lose their minds.
They want to erase African Americans. Latinos, Indians. They want
this to be about white Americans. That's what MAGA and
Donald Trump is all about.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
I'm glad there's been an uproar about this, and I
was just wait for them to erase Christmas Attics. The
first American to die for this country in Boston Christmas Attics.
They can't say that happened. We got paintings to say
that him being shot, he was the first Christmas As

(14:33):
was the first person to die for the United States
of America.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
But also I want Spike Iraq can kill you one.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I want I want people to understand something. Okay, I'm
here in Texas. It was in Texas where Jackie Robinson
was court martialled because.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
He refused to give up his seat. There's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I wish, I wish T and T would re issu
through the movie, Andre Brower played and I've been trying
to get my hands on a copy of this movie.
Andre Brower is called the court marshal of Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
On the late his guy there was Sugar Ray Robinson. Yeah,
they were just they were together.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
So I mean people to understand Jackie Robinson is a
tie to Texas. They wanted to court marshall Jackie Robinson
the court marshal.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
There was an actual trial. He beat it, but they.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Want he thought segregated bussing in the Texas town. And
so people need to understand Jackie wasn't just about a
break break breaking bears in baseball. He was standing up
and fighting Jim Crow racism right here in Texas when
he was in the US Army.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Speak the truth, Speak the truth. You know. We here's
the thing th people gotta read.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
People gotta read.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
We gotta read, we gotta read, we gotta read. Fight.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
But here's the deal though, that's why they that's why
they want to get get rid of the websites. They
want to get rid of the web pages. They want
to get rid of these things. People don't have access
to the information.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And you know how I feel. Its well, we got
to have black on media. I tell the stories. We
got to have movies, gotta have documentary.

Speaker 8 (16:11):
And you're leading.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
You're leading away, my brother, you're leading away.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
And we were just talking about while you were trying
to tell people, tell people black folks in the media,
what's gonna happen? But they thought you were crazy. Now
they look crazy. Because they had a job.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
They told me I was crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
But I want our people to understand they said what
I said.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
I'm not going to use the N word, but they
were saying that Negro's crazy, that rolling crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
That that is what they were saying about me. And
now they calling me asking me how did I actually
do it? Because they want to replicate what we've done here.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's like, this is where I'm telling our people we
got to be vigilant, and we just can't say, all right, man,
it's no big deal.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
No, it's a big deal. It's a big deal. Our history,
this is our history. There's a legacy. See, we built
this country for the years. But working from can't see
the morning, can't.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
See a night.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
We built this country.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
That's why I name my production company forty acres and
a mule.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's right, that's right. That's that's not right. Random, that's
not random.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So here's what I'll spike. Here's what I want us
to do. They restore the Jackie Robinson page. But we
should say no, no, no, no, y'all going to restore
all of the pages and everything, everything, every everything.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
We need it.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
First of all, we need to do the research and
find out who we who we don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yep, that's some people don't.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
Have the historical significance. You might say, oh they claim
with Jackie Robinson, but they still they are black.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
So they got rid of it.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now we had to.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
Five out every single person black, brown, Native American, Japanese
American that they decided that they don't exist, which is
some bs.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, absolutely, and so I just want our folk. This
is where we must be vigilant. I don't I don't
see this as yes, they've restored the pages. They restored
the page of Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And here's the crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
When they deleted Spike, they actually have the U r
L that ended in de.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
I explain that, explain that.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
For people.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
To me, it was all about them trying to send
a signal that oh, this is just de I No,
Jackie Robinson is American history, he's Black history, he's American history,
he's US Army history. And we cannot allow these people
to segregate our history. And again, what I'm not gonna

(18:47):
do is be silent as I got to stand here
and watch this piece of ship, this Confederate bondument on
the on the on the state grounds here. I'm not
gonna be silent when they defend this crap. But then
they want to give us hell when it comes to
folk like Jackie robertson our history. No, we gotta be
fighting this thing every step of the way.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
We have to, and we we oldest to our ancestors,
we oldest toward ancess. And then you know, they think
that's slick with a d I. That's really d I E.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yep, they want listen, man, it's not d I.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
People.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
Wake up, wake up people, like I said many times
in my films, wake up.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
It's not de I, it's d I E.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And they want to shut it down. They want to
defund Black America. And so this is the moment. And
again I was just inside uh and they were debating
DEI on this.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
In the State Senate.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
These Republicans, Oh, this is just unfair, and it's like, really,
it's unfair.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
But when you look at the numbers, when you.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Look at the jobs, when you look at the House,
and when you look at all these factors, guess what
our numbers are aren't in great numbers.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
But they want to.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Act like de I is the biggest problem in this country.
Now the reality is it is still white racism in
Texas and in America.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Why are you picking on Texas because I'm born and
raised here. I'm getting it.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
A couple of World Series beat the Yankees.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
But look, you knew how to get sports.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
And you had to get the Yankees there.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well, you know, look look good.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I tell you.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I will tell you this here.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That was a white guy who was inside the Capitol
and he was sitting here with a big old sign
saying close our borders, and he had an American flag
and a Confederate flag. And I walked past. I said,
you know, y'all asked his lost and he was like, well,
we're still winning now. I said, now your ass is
lost and you're gonna lose again. So that was the
only time I said go Yankees. Uh inside uh. When

(20:48):
he had his Confederate flag, I said, I said go
Union Army uh. And so he started laughing. So you
want to let you know, the only time you're gonna
ever hear me say go Yankees is when I'm referencing
the Union Army beating these racist Confederates.

Speaker 7 (21:03):
Well you know what you just you you made me
think about my brother Glory, who won an Oscar for
that role.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And are you coming up someday?

Speaker 7 (21:13):
You come up Sunday for opening a fellow Open to Night.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, I'll beware my Sunday.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I got a Colnosby on Monday, so I would be
uh preparing for that, so you know, uh, but I'll
try to New York. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta experience.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I wanna tell Denzel you you worked there.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
You tell Denzel I would have been there except for
my col But work for what. I'll text Paul. I'll
text Paul Letter so she knows as well.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, text text Paul Letter.

Speaker 7 (21:54):
Let let Pauloa be the bearer of that that news, not.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Me, but time I passed the word that Denzel he's
a big Cowboys fan, so I love him being in
misery with them losing.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
He's a Cowboys fan.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh huge, huge, never told me that. Oh dude, I
was giving. I was I was giving.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I was giving him held in the last couple of months.
So I'm gonna hit him up.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, Spike, we're gonna keep swinging.

Speaker 9 (22:22):
I appreciate.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
Can we just we made a sit there? Let's can
we just get back to a serious thing. So when
we go up before we go off. Please, Yeah, bombards
is here.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
This is what this is what we need. Like when
you hit me this morning and you were like, man,
you see this heres this fike, we've been on it.
You were like, man, I want to come on. I
need our people I need and not just regular ordinary
for this is where we need. We gotta have man, celebrities, athletes, everybody.
We get this is a collective thing. They want to

(22:50):
here going up.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's nation time, Nation time.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
That's right, that's right, That's exactly what it is. So man,
we gotta keep swinging. So I appreciate you hitting me.
You know, anytime you want to come on and rap,
just let me know what'll make it happen.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it because all right you just
I not heard this thing to this morning, so I
had to call you up and and find what's happening.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
And as usual, you're ahead of everybody else.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, man, we we've been on it from day one,
and we're gonna keep swinging on them, and so we
ain't give we ain't giving them no space, no space
to breathe. You know what they I got I got this,
I got the shirt, then I got the air gunners, churtches.
I can't breathe. I don't want them to breathe. And
you see how crazy I am.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I wore my shirt. Don't blame me. I voted for
the black woman.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
M all right, baby, all right, my good, good thing
with the doctor.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
All right, brother, take care, all right, don't mine.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
I'm good.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
All right, I like all right, buther love you.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
We're gonna go to a break, y'all. We're gonna come back.
We're gonna talk about panels. I'm telling y'all, We've been
telling y'all this. This is the erasure of African Americans.
They want to attack our history. They want to attack
our books, they want to attack our historians, they want
to attack everything about blackness because they want this to
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Next, on the Black Table with me Greg car we
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(28:06):
Black Ghost of Empire, The Death of Slavery and the
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We need to do about it. On the next installment
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Here on the Black Star, hatred on the streets, a
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White people are moving their their minds.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Because an angry proach Trump mob storms the US capital.
We're about to see the lies what I call white
minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country
who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what
we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denials.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Every time that people of color and the progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been but Carold Anderson that
every university calls white rage as a backlash. This is
the right of the proud boys and the Boogaaloo boys America.
There's going to be more of this.

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This country just getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

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The few that they're taking our jobs.

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They're taking our resources, they're taking out women.

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Speaker 2 (30:36):
All right, folks, welcome back to Roland Martin unfiltered here
in the Black Start Network. I'm live here in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Uh where text text legilated Black.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Haw because is having uh their two day day on
Capitol Hill. Earlier today, the Black Business Chamber they had
Black Business Day on Capitol Hill. Uh. So I ran
to a number of different people na A, CP folks
and others who are here talking through their state legislators.
You got Republicans also pushing an anti dee A bill

(31:06):
on the floor, so I was chatting with them about
that as well.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
And so let me go to our panel.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Ralph Bartillo hosts People Passing Politics thirteen to Aight w
Alk to Atlanta. Also Derek Jackson's representative joining us out
of Atlanta as well. Let's have both of y'all here.
Derek Ian, I want to start with you. I started
talking about again that Confederate monument.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
That's at the state capitol.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Uh And and what is so bothersome to me?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Again?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
You know you you come here and you know this,
this state capital is down the street when you when
you come to Austin, h and when you go to
these state capitals, when you go to state capitals in
North Carolina and South Carolina and Mississippi and Alabama, our
children have to be confronted with these racist monuments, uh
named after the street names. Then you got then you

(31:58):
got maga do them they're doing where they of course
are angry that Biden actually what you budden Harris. Congress
actually passed the bill renaming renaming the military basis like
fort you know, like that, the various basis in North
Carolina and others. And these Macca Republicans are so stupid.

(32:19):
Pete Higgsith is so stupid. What he did was he
went and found two unherld individuals, last name Bragg and
another one just so they can change the name from
what Biden and Harris renamed them. And so this is
the stupidity that we're seeing. And again when you look

(32:39):
at deleting these pages of these history makers. Jackie Robinson
Black Medal of Honor winners. When you talk about Navajo Indians, codebreakers,
people who have been celebrated. I mean, this is all
about erasing black people in people of color by Donald
Trump and Macca.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, Roland.

Speaker 18 (33:03):
You know, I just received your book a few months
ago about white fear, and when I think about what
you captured months years ago, actually years ago, and what
we were talking about just last year Round Project twenty
twenty five, this has been their plan all along, right,

(33:24):
They've been after.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
The essence of not.

Speaker 18 (33:29):
Only dealing with those things that are such as slavery,
you know, the most painful era of America, lynching the plantations,
but they.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Also want to go after contributions.

Speaker 18 (33:45):
And when you think about Jackie Robinson, I'm glad you
and Spike have some dialogue around that.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I mean, Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 18 (33:54):
Served this country in the army, and when you think
about a role, he did it in nineteen forty two.
What was going on in nineteen forty two where a
black man serving the army served his country?

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Right?

Speaker 18 (34:11):
But Jackie Robinson didn't stop there. Then he went on
and did some very successful theme. He broke many Rutgers
in baseball, and he did it during a time where
you know, we didn't have social media, we didn't have
the internet.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
He did it in nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 18 (34:31):
Right, and during those nine or ten years or so
he played baseball, he had to not only pressevere Roland.
So now they want to erase that how Jackie Robinson
competed and beat some of their folks like Babe Ruth
and others.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Right, but they didn't want to stop there, Roland.

Speaker 18 (34:54):
Right, just last year, while we were talking about Project
twenty five, they were talking about if they get an
opportunity to get back into the White House, they gonna
make sure they gonna whitewash everything. I just went to
the website as you and Spike were talking. They removed
Colon Powell from the Pentagon website. They removed Lloyd Austin

(35:19):
from the website, Roland.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And then as we talked.

Speaker 18 (35:23):
About last week, how they were just removing blacks and
women at Arlington, those who did more serving than Donald Trump,
the one that had bone spurs than Pete has less.
And so we're at a point, this most pivotal point
right now in this nation's history.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
We have to continue to do.

Speaker 18 (35:47):
As you stated with Spike, we gotta stand up. We
gonna call them out, and we gotta take down these
Confederate symbols. I mean, it was a strategic strategy for
them to have all eleven Southern Confederate states to put
up these symbols of oppression. And then our tax dollars, Roland,

(36:08):
our tax dollars are paying to preserve that monument where
you're standing.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
It's a put.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
What we have to understand.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
There's no other word to explain what we're dealing with,
Robert than whitewash and what they want if you and I,
and this is what I keep saying it two twenty one,
they attack Black Lives Matter, twenty twenty two, it was
CRT twenty twenty three, it was woke twenty twenty four,

(36:45):
is DEI. I said that these people were angry that
the Black Lives Matter movement was the first movement in
American history where a majority of Americans agreed with it.
They you see right now where the racists like Ben Shapiro,
Matt Walsh and others they want, uh, they want a

(37:07):
pardon for Derek.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Chauvin on the federal charges.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Because they think it is unjust that he was convicted.
They still want to say it was George Floyd's fault.
And what they were really angry about, Robert, they were
angry that a young white people were waking up. They
were angry that young white people were learning about be

(37:33):
as Paul Harvey used to say, the.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Rest of the store. They were upset by that.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And they made a commitment, and this was a credit
twenty five was about their commitment was we are going
to attack everything that was built around Black lives matter.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
We're going to attack the books, We're.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Going to attack their curriculum, We're going to attack everything
because they do not want to see two generations of
white Americans learning the true history of this country.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Robert, take it away. And you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 19 (38:08):
During your conversation with Spike, he brought up the opening
of Othello, And there's one line from Othello that I
think the prescient in this moment Othello, after the of
a fit of anger and rage, he slays Destemona and
then he says, I am one who loved unwisely but unkind.

(38:30):
And the point that I think we have to make
is that white America has an unwise love for the Confederacy.
They have an unwise love for this myth of white
supremacy and this unwise love for this myth around their
own placement within the world society. And as you stated,
they have worked over the course of the last not
ten years, over the course of the last forty years,

(38:51):
to replace and rebuke and retard any sort of progress
made by other group that may undermine the fundamental underpinnings
of this fiction, the white supremacy nationwide.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
What you'll notice is.

Speaker 19 (39:02):
They like to otherise any movement that we create. Everything
from Black Lives Matter, they turn that into BLM. Because
it's hard to say I don't believe that Black Lives Matter.
It's easy to say that BLM that the socialist organization
that wants to overthrow to traditional American values.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
They take something like critical Race theory.

Speaker 19 (39:21):
It's hard to say that I don't believe people to
learn accurate versions of American history on the doctoral level,
but it's easy to say that CRT is corrupting our children,
and to take people who don't understand, don't know, and
can't read and tell them that this is now the
new evil. They take something like WOKE, which for decades
you would hear the black Hebrew Israelites on the corner

(39:42):
and saying open up your third eye, become awakened to
things around you.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You have to be woke to what's.

Speaker 19 (39:48):
Going on in America, and to take that and then
pervert it and to this conceptualization that somehow is about
an anti nuclear family, anti traditional American values, anti everything
you wanted to be. They turned into this empty vessel
that they could simply dump into it anything that they
saw to be evil. And then, as you said in
the last year, they took something diversity, equity, and inclusion.

(40:11):
And I think it's important for our community to say
the words out loud every single time. Because they took diversity, equity,
and inclusion. Nobody's gonna say I'm against diversity. No one's
gonna say I'm against equity. No one's gonna say I'm
against inclusion. But if you otherise that and say DEI, well,
now you can turn that into reverse racism, something that
is against their community and against what we believe in

(40:33):
as a society. If you look back at the teachings
and the writings of Simone de Beouivoir, she it was
very much a contemporary of Franz Finaut and John Paul
Sartre as neo Kantism thinkers. She says that in the
feminist context that women are neither above or below, but
fundamentally other. If you take that to this movement, what

(40:54):
we're simply saying is that they want to paint us
as being other from the American family, other from traditional
white American values, and by doing that, it gives them
the leeway to take from us all the rights that
we have fought for. Going forward, and as Spike said,
this may be the time to reevaluate the conversation we've
had for the last three quarters of the centuries in
African American community with regard to integration, and start having

(41:17):
a conversation about nationalism, have a conversation about economic nationalism,
saying that we need to economic lookly control the streets
of our neighborhood, the businesses we invest in, the stores
that we go to, in the media that we consume,
whether they talk about political nationalism, so that we are
no longer seeing Al Green having to walk out of
the House chamber by himself, but say that if we

(41:37):
are going to be representatives of this nation of black
folks that you come to every four years and say
we love you so much, you are the backbone of
the party. Maybe we should start voting nationalistically for people
who believe and will stand up for those same communities.
Letthers start thinking socially nationalistically, and that if they're going
to have their statues up and no matter what, they're
going to rename them, then maybe we should start owning

(41:57):
our own history, teaching our own history, promoting our our
own history, building the nationalistic story that America has come
to rely on. We have to remember that German nationalism
didn't happen until after the American Civil War. Italian unification
didn't happen until the eighteen seventies. It's not as if
it takes a millennia to build this nationalist spirit. It's

(42:19):
something that we can build here now today within our communities.
But it's going to take us in this period of
time when we're under attack, coming together and believing that
we can be that nation within a nation that builds
up our own communities.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'm staying, Derek, we got to do something different as well,
and that is we're going to have to get our
people to also begin to recognize where we become first.
And what I mean by that is we don't have
to deal with the level of ignorance in our community.
That was an unveiling of an Emmit Teel statue, and

(42:56):
I saw some comments, all, this is performative.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And I've seen this a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Things happen and somebody's like, oh, well, the statue is performative,
this plaque is performative.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well guess what when they were sitting here erecting all
of those the dolls of the of the Confederacy, all those.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Civil War statues, they it wasn't it wasn't about performative.
They knew it was about history. It was about controlling narrative.
And I just think that we need to learn how
to check out some of our people who denigrate these
efforts without realizing that, no, this is about changing the
narrative and saying, y'all are going to recognize.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Who we are and what our history represents.

Speaker 18 (43:41):
Roland, listen, you exactly right, and as you well know,
this this whole false equivalency that plagues in our communities
where some folks will feel, well, we don't want to
do that because that's gonna make folks feel too intimidated.

(44:01):
We don't want to, you know, bring about this level
of awareness of education. Listen, Roland. Here's the bottom line.
And I appreciate Robert bringing that perspective as well because
he's here in Georgia with me and Roland. We all
know the history around Stone Mountain. But you will have

(44:23):
them thinking folks would have us thinking that it's just
a statue, it's a park, what's the big deal. So
education plays a crucial role in addressing addressing racism. When
the question keeps coming up all the time, and it's
just so interesting that they always ask black elected official

(44:46):
is America racist? They don't ask that of the white
elected officials?

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Is America racist? So why is that?

Speaker 18 (44:57):
So we got to make sure rolland that we have
to first bring about this education which is under attack.
They don't want, uh, the information that brings about the truth.
As you and Spike was talking about Glory, right, they
don't want to talk about glory Jackie Robinson. Heck, they

(45:18):
didn't even want the Black Panther movie, a very fictitional place.
And so we got to say in the black community
that we have to be authentic, We gotta be true
to who we are.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
We have value in this country.

Speaker 18 (45:35):
We have to know who we are and we have
to protect who we are, and don't let nobody else
try to justify who we are. And we should not
feel a shame when we tell someone you don't value
the things that we value.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
This is more than just about our culture.

Speaker 18 (45:53):
This is about our ancestors, and we got to protect
and preserve those things that we fought for.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
And if they feel a shame, so be it. They
need to feel the shame.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
And we real quick. I got a guess who's hold,
and I'm gonna go to a break. We will come
back Robert real quick, which is absolutely real quick.

Speaker 19 (46:11):
The reason is so important that we take down Stone
Mountain within our generation is that rock formation will be
there for the next one hundred thousand years. If you
look at the cave paintings that we look at throughout history,
those are only ten thousand years old. So in millennia
to come, people will look back archaeologically and say, those
were the heroes of that generation, Those were the gods

(46:32):
of that time. When they built Stone Mountain. It wasn't
about building up the white power mythology this generation. It
was about inscribing it into the history of Earth for
all future generations. This is why it's so important not
just to benignly say we won't go there. We have
to destroy that and take that image down because when
the aliens come in ten thousand years, they will still
believe the white supremacy reign supreme.

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During this time, folks gotta go to break we come back.

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are saying, Hey, don't worry about it. All those efforts
to end discrimination and housing. You can ignore those things
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Next on the black table with me, Greg called we
look at the history of emancipation around he including right
here in the United States, the so called end of slavery.
Trust me, it's a history lesson that bears no resemblance
to what you learned in school. Professor Chris Manjopra, author, scholar,
amazing teacher, joins us to talk about his latest book,

(50:29):
Black Ghost of Empire, The Death of Slavery and the
Failure of Emancipation. He explains why the end of slavery
was no end at all, but instead a collection of
laws and policies designed to preserve the status quo of
racial oppression.

Speaker 16 (50:45):
The real problem is that the problems that slavery and
invented have continued over time, and what reparations are really
about is saying, how do we really transform society right
and stop racial viol which is so endemic.

Speaker 15 (51:01):
What we need to do about it. On the next
installment of the Black Table, right.

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Here on the Black Star, this is simple Man, and
this is David Mann, and you're watching Rowland Mark United.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
There have been a lot of different lawsuits against hud
and as an organization that is leading one. Right now,
you see the changes that have been taking place. We've
seen how our folks are being impacted by these decisions
in the MAGA administration. We're seeing what they are doing,

(51:43):
and so four fair housing groups are suing hud over
Dutch Doge grant cuts. These things are happening before our
very eyes, and what people need to be aware of
is that these things are going up to continue. Of course,
it's and Hughes, he is a no stranger to this show.

(52:05):
State Center out of Pennsylvania. Got glad to have you
here to talk about this lawsuit. How critically important is it?

Speaker 17 (52:12):
Roland, It's extremely important and thanks for having me on.
Just I gotta say this. I'm in the Germantown section
of Philadelphia where a couple of Republicans decide to coven
a meeting having an appreciating appreciation conversation about what they're
doing in Washington, d C. So you know, we had
to respond to that. But that's a whole other conversation

(52:34):
for a whole nother day.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
Brother.

Speaker 17 (52:36):
So what has happened, very simply is that those eliminated
suspended about thirty million dollars in funding to fair housing
rights organizations all across the country, about seventy different organizations
receiving about sixty eight different grants all across the country

(52:57):
to do the good work to inform the fair housing
rights bill that was passing the law in April of
nineteen sixty eight, and these organizations have the responsibility to
educate communities and work through discrimination issues and get them
reported and get them addressed through the legal process. What

(53:20):
has happened is that those has essentially eliminated all of
their funding, dectimated these organizations, and now these organizations don't
have any funding to do the work to protect against discriminations.
And what it basically means is that Musk Trump and
the whole crew believe it's okay to discriminate in housing

(53:41):
in all throughout the United States of America. And the
lawsuit was introduced to try to prevent that and to
get those fundings, those dollars restored to these organizations.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And look, people need to understand, these are folks who
make allocations. They've got staff, they got I mean, it's
just like this.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Is a real impact, it's very real roleing.

Speaker 17 (54:05):
And these are folks, folks that you've talked talked with before,
Folks that you work with all across the country. Their
job very simply is enforced the law that was passed
in April on April eleventh, nineteen sixty eight, the Fair
Fair Housing Rates legislation, And so that that's the law

(54:25):
of the country.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
What those has done is eliminate their funding.

Speaker 17 (54:29):
They cannot operate, they cannot do the investigations, they cannot
send folks into investigate, they can't educate communities, they can't
hold people accountable. And you know, we've been dealing with
this for years now, most recently, as you recall, there's
been several major settlements over the last ten years with
major banks around fair housing because they discriminated with modern

(54:52):
day redlining. We've been dealing with this for a number
of years, and now we're back at it because these
organizations will no longer have the funding in place to
deal with educating communities and investigating communities where there's been discrimination.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So how are others joining you in this pursuit.

Speaker 17 (55:14):
Yes, yes, we had a president earlier in this week,
had several congress people, several state senators UH joining in
this effort putting putting public face and information.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
Out to the broader community. You know what's going on.

Speaker 17 (55:28):
Rolling There's so much happening at at such in such
a rapid face that some of these issues get lost
in the public conversation. That's why I appreciate you, appreciate
you so much for opening up your airwave so we
can get this word out.

Speaker 6 (55:41):
So the lawsuit is being filed.

Speaker 17 (55:43):
Urban League other organizations have filed a lawsuit nationally to
get those dollars restored. But this is just a tip
of the iceberg of what we're confronting all across this
country and folks who've got to step up and step
out and do whatever it is that they can. What
I say rolling is very so take your own hell.
You've heard me say this before, wherever you may be.

(56:04):
Don't worry for this party or this organization whatever to
step up.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
Take your own hell.

Speaker 17 (56:10):
Get engaged wherever you can, get in engaged and fight
this fight.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
So let's monitor this. We cannot we cannot.

Speaker 17 (56:17):
Go back to the days where where overt discrimination and
our opportunity to purchase a home is allowed, it's allowed
to be the law of the land.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
We cannot go to the back to those days.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
No, absolutely, all right, Sarah Hughes were real appreciated.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Thanks a lot, Thanks brother, partake care you.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I want to go on my panel here, Representative Jackson.
I mean this is I need people who are watching
to understand this is all by design. They want to
starve organizations cities and states that they don't agree with,
they want to starve them financially.

Speaker 18 (56:57):
Rolling, we need to mobilize and organ eyes on every issue,
on every front.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
And as my dear brother said, on every hill.

Speaker 18 (57:08):
I mean, let's face it, we all know that one
of the most significant benefits of hud Fair housing grants
is economic empowerment.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Right.

Speaker 18 (57:18):
It always gave black access to affordable and quality housing.
I mean, that's one of the most pivotal cornerstone in
our lives. Right, It's going to be one of the
most major purchases that we would make in our lifetime.
But when you start to strategically go after black families, right,

(57:39):
not DEI families, black families, that's where they're going after.
So they don't want us to have social Security, they
don't want us to have a four to one K plan,
they don't want us to have housing, they don't want
us to have Medicaid, medicare. All these things are strategic.
And so as you continue to advocate rolling that we

(58:00):
got mobilized and organized on every front and meet them
where they are. So if they want to go low
and start taking away hud fairhousing grants, then we need
to meet them where they are, if we got to
march in Atlanta, we got to march in Detroit, if
we got to march in Orlando, Florida, wherever.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
We are, because this is going to impact us all.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
And this is I mean, we see what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It's very evident, Robert, and people need to pay attention.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
They're going to continue it.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Luckily you have these federal judges who are stampig up,
but there's no guarantee at the appellate courts the Supreme
Court are going to affirm these lord court rulings.

Speaker 19 (58:45):
Look, at some point in time we have to take
responsibility as a community and realize that there was more
people on social media talking about just hilarious and the
breakfast club having a crash out, and then they are
talking about the thousands of people who are going to
be affected by the cuts to HUD, the cuts to
Medicare and Social Security, by the cuts to entitlement programs
across the board. We as a community have to understand

(59:07):
that we can can We have to stop waiting for Superman.
Gil Scott Heron once said that ain't no sustaining to Superman.
For some reason, we're expecting the next messianic figure to
descend down to lead black people. They believe that the
next Doctor King or Malcolm is going to come and
rise up from the polity and lead us to victory.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That has never been the way that things worked.

Speaker 19 (59:27):
It took local organizers, people standing up in their own communities,
and took the Fanny lou Hamer's and the James Oranges
of the world and took the show to works of
the world to come together and bring together blocked by block,
street by street, and say we're no longer going to
be subjected to a system that treats us as being
second class or sub humans in America. There's a reason

(59:48):
that these groups are going after the least of these
at least of among us first, because they know that
America Rit Lawns does not care about the least among us,
or we would have done something about it first. If
you are going after these most million dollarment make mansions
instead of going after people who are on federal assistance,
you'll be hearing a lot more about it. If you
were to hear if we were going after these programs

(01:00:09):
that are promoting people into the upper class and into
the million dollar contracts, then that we would hear more
about that than when we're dealing with poor families that
are just trying to get by side to side. So
it's going to take us not just coming together, not
just marching and going up down the street three foltons.
I think it's going to take a consecrated effort. And
we see that they are pulling back on these federal

(01:00:30):
programs that they're making very clear they are we have
to create a community based solution to do that. It
can no longer simply be we lean on the crutch
that we have for the last eighty years of saying
the federal government will come in to push back against
local racism. It has to be that we lean on
our churches, lean on our nonprofits, lean on our business leaders,
and say, how will we fill the gap? How will

(01:00:51):
we stand at the breach? We can no longer depend that.
If you're looking at what's going on internationally, you have
the Germans saying that they are decoupling from America, have
the EU saying they're making plans for what happens when
they can't depend on America. You have Japan and South
Korea coming together and saying we can't trust America to
defend us if Taiwan is evaded by China. So why

(01:01:12):
the hell are we, as black folks in this country
saying we're going to depend on the machinations of a
fickle federal government and say that we're going to depend
on them for our housing, for our food, for our livelihood,
for our education. We have to start thinking nationalistically and
how we will do better, because otherwise we will be
falling to the wayside. Because if you think Trump is terrible,

(01:01:32):
just remember twenty years ago everybody thought George W. Bush
would be the worst president of American history. What do
you think is going to happen twenty years from now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
We have to prepare for the fight ahead. It's interesting
you mentioned the breakfast club.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I came across this clip yesterday former NFL player Adam
pac Van Jones reaffirmed his love and support of Donald Trump,
and it was like, really, okay, if y'all have it,
go ahead and play.

Speaker 21 (01:02:01):
It because you're a Trump supporter, right, yes, I am
get who don't like it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Like my opinion is my opinion. I like like I.

Speaker 21 (01:02:12):
Was somewhere like two weeks ago, and to do man,
I seen you with that Trump at all. I said, okay,
what is your brother? And he just went in and
like he is trying to take away so skilled. I said,
oh that score, you've done it. Myll pin is my
all pin. As far as business wise, I agree with Trump.

(01:02:34):
I got paper, I sang, and all my folks that
that was in the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
They good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Fucking me.

Speaker 21 (01:02:43):
Huh, you got the economy. It's gonna get up. You
know that she's gonna get up. You know that she's
gonna get up.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:02:48):
You don't think so. The last two motherfuckers. Ain't this
ship for you? It was down when they was in
this motherfucker.

Speaker 20 (01:02:53):
I don't I think.

Speaker 22 (01:02:54):
I don't believe in none of them. But you know,
I just think it's gonna get back up.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
I don't know. I think so.

Speaker 22 (01:02:58):
Only mean I say that because we have an eleven
recessions in this country. Ten of them have been led
by Republicans. Yeah, and the economy does do better when the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Was in that last summer, Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
We was right there. The research.

Speaker 21 (01:03:12):
The only thing that's the recession was COVID no thanks
Star recession. With Trump getting Nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Checked COVID, he gave me the check.

Speaker 21 (01:03:18):
I don't think COVID was playing. You see that god
damn getting rid of his ass. Huh cod Oh no,
the mother Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
You don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
I mean, I mean, I don't know if they don't
think faust.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
You put COVID like, no, drop this in here. How
you think COVID got here?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
It leaked from a lab in China.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Man, leaked from motherfucking Fauci.

Speaker 22 (01:03:42):
I could have and I could have been a get
all that money. Couldn't have been a biological warfare, yes,
but it came from a lab in China.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Came that right there is why you don't put dumb
people on national broadcasts. What you heard right there, Robber,
was sheer stupidity. A host of lies from Adam pac
Man Jones, just a host of lies, lies about Fauci,

(01:04:09):
lies about COVID, lies about how amazing the economy was
under Trump, lies about the recession, and lies about all
how folk in the hood were doing so great. PPP
loan fraud don't count. Listen the dude who used to
do security for us and drive us in the sprinter

(01:04:38):
his ad went to prison one. I got rid of
him before that. PPP Long fraud.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
But this is But these are the kind of people
folk listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
No one in their right mind should be listening to
anything Adam pac Man Jones has to say about politics, busines,
this or COVID.

Speaker 19 (01:05:03):
Well, well, look, Rowland, I think one, uh, pat Man
is the homie. So shout out of pat Man on
other things that we've worked together on before. But Roland,
this is what I'm trying to say real quick. There
is an instructive lesson here that people on the left
can better understand, which is Trump crafted a message that

(01:05:27):
people with a third grade education can understand, whether it's
true or not. As a side note, the point is
that people listen to that message. They understood that message,
they repeated that message. So if you look at the
people who are supporting Trump in the last campaign, you
had SETSI read say what you want about her see
the Voice for Women under twenty five. In this country,

(01:05:48):
you had Wak, a flock of flame, you had Leveon Bell,
you had in Antonio Brown, you had a countaburnium of
people supporting him. Meanwhile, Democrats will release messaging such as
underle To Klepto, crab Elon Musk and the UN and
the older guards without oversight are the ones bringing down
this country through policies that do not support climate change

(01:06:12):
and transgender rights. Who the hell understands that in a
way that can be understood and repeated.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I get, Robert, I get all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I get the importance of messengers and who gives the message.
But Derek, reality is to defend lies. I mean, that
was a bunch of lies we heard right there.

Speaker 18 (01:06:34):
Not only was it a bunch of lies where it
was far from the truth, Roland, I mean, first off,
pac Man Jones will not come to my mind if
I'm talking about public policy. In fact, pac Man Jones
won't come to my mind if I'm talking about someone
that had a very successful career in football. Right, Let's

(01:06:58):
be honest, right, not all skin folks are cam folks here.
We gotta we gotta make sure that as as true
journalism is under attack, right, I don't need to convey
to you rolland heck, you got three decades of journalism

(01:07:19):
underneath your belt. Charlemagne to God does not Charlemagne to
God should have asked him a question and say, hold up,
I just told you that out of the eleven last recessions,
ten of the eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
A Republican was in control.

Speaker 18 (01:07:38):
You cannot dispute that Joe Biden turned over a strong, robust,
healthy economy, Roland. In the last six weeks, the Wall
Street has lost five trillion dollars. If you want to
even drill down to more. Tesla lost forty five percent

(01:08:01):
on their stock for And so when someone like a
pac Man Jones don't understand economics, right, when someone doesn't
understand public policy and they're completely out of their lane.
Someone like charlatagne Gott, although I wouldn't even give him,
I wouldn't even put him in the same stage with you.

(01:08:24):
But Charla Mashaon say no, you're telling a lie. I
got to protect my platform.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
You're lying.

Speaker 18 (01:08:32):
You can't say that somebody brought in COVID that did
not bring in COVID. And so we're in a very
interesting crossroads right now, Roland. How people get their information?
They cannot just get it from TikTok. Unfortunately a lot
of people do not read New York Times or Financial

(01:08:54):
Times or Bloomberg. It's very unfortunate that people are listening
to to someone like like Robert mentioned, the sister that
talks about her butt and all that kind of stuff.
That's not where you get information when it comes to
politics and public policy. You have to come to shows

(01:09:16):
like yours. You have to come to credible platforms to
get this kind of information because if not, our next
generation or the next two or three generation, will be
lost Roland because they're getting their information from non credible sources.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
Well, the point, the.

Speaker 19 (01:09:34):
Point I'm trying to make, The point I'm trying to
make about making sure we're crafting messaging in such a
way that people can better understand is Voltaire once said,
if you can convince a man of absurdities, you can
force them into atrocities. That they are winning this informational
warfare battle. They're able to talk to this next generation
on the wavelength that they talk, that they talk on

(01:09:56):
it in the language that they understand.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And we may not like it.

Speaker 19 (01:09:59):
I'm not a person and who supports it or believes
in it, but it is the reality that we live within.
People under the age of thirty get their information off
of TikTok. They're not going to be reading newspapers. People
who are Gen z's and Gen alphas who are coming
up in this information space, they believe more in podcasters
than they believe in traditional news and traditional metrics. And

(01:10:22):
we're dealing even with millennials who are in their forties.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
We got lied to about the Gulf War, we got
lied to about the Great Recession, we got.

Speaker 19 (01:10:30):
Lied to by so many things by this government. There's
a healthy skepticism when it comes to mainstream media outlets.
So we hope to win the information war of the future.
We have to figure out how to not just derive
people such as pac Man, but how do understand them
and better push our messaging through those torts of outlets.
Because at the end of the day, like the old
folks will say, you got to put it where the
goats can get it. We can either have this broad,

(01:10:52):
esoteric conversation at the top ten thousand foot view, or
we can get down to where the people are and
be able to explain to them why what he said
was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Well, the first thing is the first thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
The first thing you do is you do not platform
people like that, because you actually make that whole thing worse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Hold tight. One second, Uh, going to a break.

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About hissteril Trump falling in line with President Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Man, I've had a number of people send me this video.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
It is from the senior pastor at Trinity United Church
of Christ in Chicago, Reverend Otis Master I my alpha brother,
and he talks about the puppet map.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Said again, well do we have that video? All right?
Y'all let me know if we have that video.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
So he talks about the puppet masters, the people who
are controlling Trump, the people who are organizing, who are
organizing this whole thing, and who's controlling him, who's calling
the shots at and see, yeah, I understand this. What
people know, what the billionaires know, is that Donald Trump,

(01:14:07):
that twice impeached, crimly convicted con man. He's a grifter,
he's transactional. Remember how he hated TikTok until he started
David Yass, the billionaire started sending him lots of money.
Then all of a sudden, Oh my goodness, I think
TikTok is great.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
It is wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
And then he hated electric vehicles, and all of a sudden,
well Elon came along and I'm going to give you
a campaign three hundred million dollars. And so now he's like,
oh my god, by a tesla, I bought one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
It's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
He literally turned the White House into an infomercial. That's
who this con man grifter is. Reverend Otis Moss the
Third broke down the puppet and the puppet master. Do
we have it ready, folks? All right, so guys, let
me know when it's ready. I found a video fascinating.

(01:15:01):
I've literally had at least six or eight different people
send me this video for me to check out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
So I wanted y'all check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Watch this.

Speaker 23 (01:15:13):
To my Trinity family. If you will just give me
five minutes. There's some information that I've got to share
with you about puppet masters that are controlling the puppet.
Puppet masters that are controlling the puppet Let me begin
by sharing this information today. There's a person you have

(01:15:35):
never heard of who may be one of the most
influential thinkers in the right wing and white nationalist space
in this country. His name is Curtis Yarvin. Let me
say it again, Curtis Jarvin. He founded the anti egalitarian

(01:15:56):
and the anti democratic movement known as the Dark Enlightenment
or neo reactionary movement. This movement believes democracy is a
failed experiment and must be replaced by a monarchy or

(01:16:17):
a dictatorship. The way to reach this goal is through
Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley venture capitalists who will use their
money to sway public opinion and miseducate the massage masses
through social media and collecting our data. One of Curtis

(01:16:39):
Jarvin's disciples is a person by the name of Peter
Thiel pe Teal or Teal or thel I'm not sure
the pronunciation. Is a South African, just like or an Africaner,
just like Elon Musk who founded PayPal. Peter Thiel funded
the political rise of JD Vance. Jd Vance has publicly

(01:17:05):
stated that Curtis Yarvin is his intellectual mentor now. Curtis
Jarvin says, in order to destroy democracy, they have a
program called Rage Rage, r Age Rage, and this program

(01:17:26):
means retire all government employee rage Project twenty five Rage
and now Doge is doing the work.

Speaker 8 (01:17:40):
Of Curtis Yarvin.

Speaker 23 (01:17:42):
Curtis Jarvin believes some races are fit for servitude. Blacks
have a natural lower IQ, and civil rights was applied
to a population of recent hunter gatherers ancestry and no
great moral fiber. As a result, civil rights in America

(01:18:06):
created absolute garbage. The architect of Trump's presidency, Steve Bannon,
is an admirer of his work and the collection of
Silicon Valley billionaire Bros adhere to his philosophy, how do

(01:18:27):
we push back? Number one, We've got to be educated
about what is happening. Number two, we have to be
deliberate with our dollars. There's no reason we should be
supporting any business that plays in our face.

Speaker 8 (01:18:46):
Support local, support black businesses. Number three.

Speaker 23 (01:18:50):
Support black institutions that believe in liberation. Whether it is
your church, HBCU, whether it is an activist organization, unions,
independent press, fraternities, sororities. All of these organizations we have
to support and we have to raise our voice. And finally,

(01:19:14):
you've got to be the most engaged voter politically astute,
not miseducated, but educated. They are coming after us rage,
retiring all government employee, dismantling the Department of Education. We

(01:19:36):
are in the midst of a hostile takeover in America.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
But let me give you one thing.

Speaker 23 (01:19:43):
All of this research I have been doing, I found
out that their greatest fear is black people. When they're organized.
From nineteen seventy one to today, we have the power
and we are connected to an.

Speaker 8 (01:20:00):
All powerful God.

Speaker 23 (01:20:02):
And the words of Sean Connery from the untouchables. There
ended the lesson, and that's my five minutes piece.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
M powerful there. What do you make of that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Derek? I think it's the message that needs to go viral.

Speaker 18 (01:20:23):
Right again, when you think about the last segment we
just had around messaging, we have to make sure that
we put it in the context right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
We give the Republican too much credit. Roland. There was
no message that they did that made them win.

Speaker 18 (01:20:41):
There was no message in MAGA make America great again.
Make America great, didn't change the price of eggs, didn't
change the price of gasoline. It was all about Project
twenty twenty five. It allowed for them to unleash the
things that they've been harboring for a very long time.
And that is the whitewash not only the most painful

(01:21:04):
era of our history, but even our contributions.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
We can't even talk about the contributions of Ida B.

Speaker 18 (01:21:10):
Wells, Danny lou Hamer, doctor King, right, And so this
is this was nothing about messaging, in my humble opinion.
But something like that will not go viral. I guarantee
it Rolland if you put it on your platform and
tell people to click there, it won't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
You might get about a five thousand cliques.

Speaker 18 (01:21:33):
But if you say something about a a a beat,
a dispute between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, oh, you're gonna
get thirty million hits. And so we got to make
sure that we put these things into context and say
what's at stake. And it's more than just saying our

(01:21:54):
democracy is at stake. We got to tell black people
your civil rights can be gone on tomorrow because Donald
Trump just signed an executive order yesterday that said it's
okay to segregate. And so don't wake up all surprised
one day and you go back to college or you
go back to work and say, black people, you use

(01:22:16):
this bathroom, White people, you use this bathroom. And oh yeah,
when you go into that bathroom black people, you may
not find toilet paper, you may not find air freshener.
And so these are the kind of things that we
got to make it so concrete and put it in
the way that they can digest it. Because just to
say our democracy is at stake, rolling it's too big

(01:22:39):
for them to digest. So we got to make it
and put it where they can really consume it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
See, Robert, I don't think people are really truly grasping.
We talked about it for three years. Then I understand
that Product twenty twenty five was nearly one thousand pages.
This is not about way fraud and abuse. This is
literally about how do you completely realign this country. How

(01:23:10):
do you destroy institutions that they believe are left leaning
or left how do you completely remake the nation into
the hardcore right wing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Maga and look, Rowl to your point.

Speaker 19 (01:23:30):
I want people to understand that Donald Trump did not
create Project twenty twenty five. Project twenty twenty five created
Donald Trump at a point in time where he had
lost the White House, where he was facing almost a
hundred indictments across the country. He could have gone to
prison for almost one thousand years of all his sentences
were run consecutively, a point in time where he owed

(01:23:52):
eighty million dollars to Egen Carroll, twenty five million dollars
from the Trump University fraud, two point five million dollars
for fraud, and he was merely a billion dollars in debt.
And then a group of people came to him and said,
for your soul in this Faustian bargain, if you ensure
us that you will put our policies in place, we
will ensure you become the next president of the United States.

(01:24:15):
And that was the people of the Heritage Foundation that
was the tech bros, the Elon Musk and the Peter
Thiels and the Jeff Bezos' of the world. It was
the richest people on planet Earth who controlled the economic
system of the world, the Jamie Diamonds and the people
who are in Switzerland every year, the world Economic form
coming together to simply say, we need you to be

(01:24:37):
our vessel. Look at what Vladimir Putin is doing the
Trump right now, running him around like a little dog.
He came to the media, he got on the phone
call with Trump, I think something like twenty minutes late,
just to demonstrate the level of power that he has
over this individual. So when we talk about these things
being bigger than just politics, bigger than the traditional left

(01:24:57):
right battles, that we are having ling situation very similar
to what we are at where we're one hundred years ago,
when we're talking about the complete realignment of social systems,
not just across the social economic divide, but across the
ideological spectrum of the globe. Where Canada is talking about
leaving the US Economic Trade Zone and joining the European

(01:25:18):
Union to create a new economic power. We're rising nations
across the world or joining the bricks alignance saying they
will no longer depend on the US dollar, and we're
seeing global denallarization. What we are currently seeing is not
just a plan to striples of our traditional American rights
of values, but to realign what America means as a
symbol across the world, to the point that you had

(01:25:39):
France saying they were going to send over a boat
to repossess the statue of liberty because they no longer
represents the share values of the enlightenment that we believed in.
And I want Black folks to ask themselves what happens
if tomorrow segregation is legal again, because that's not a
far fetched idea. Charlie Kirk has already said that we
need to restore individual rights, that businesses should not be

(01:26:01):
forced to accept anybody that they don't want. They use
this in the transgender or the homosexual context, but it
will also apply to a level of jurisprudence as it
relates to desegregation and African Americans. They've already talked about
the repeal of the Interstate Commerce Clause, which will use
to force federal rights to local actors on their in
state actions.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
It is not out of the question.

Speaker 19 (01:26:23):
That tomorrow you could wake up and an executive order
has been signed saying that any business that wants to
publicly discriminate against you is allowed to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
And what is your plan as a community?

Speaker 19 (01:26:34):
Are you going to go to a job now that
says that you have to use a separate bathroom? Are
you going to go to businesses now they say you
can't enter into the front door other than marching and protesting.
What exactly would be your plan if you were economically
cut off from White America. We, just as every other
nation around the world, if we really view ourselves as

(01:26:55):
being a nation, have to make a plan around this,
and it starts with winning the war on information, winning
the war on education, winning the war on organization.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
You're leading the charge on that rowland.

Speaker 19 (01:27:06):
We have to get people to realize that they are
in a fight right now while they are still sitting
home thinking that everything will be okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
This is just a normal situation.

Speaker 19 (01:27:15):
France in the EU are meeting about what to do
if they are attacked by America. We are not in
a normal situation and we need to understand the extigential
of the crisis we are currently in. As our constitution
phrase as Gils got here and said, the Constitution a
noble piece of paper. But that paper is burning the
fires under this movement. And we have to understand that

(01:27:36):
Trump isn't simply the problem. He is merely the vanguard
bringing forward a new world order.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Well, I need our people to fully understand that this
is a moment not only for black unity, but this
is truly a moment where we have to mobilize and
organize because I'm telling y'all, if you want to be
so so personally arrogant like an Adam pac Man Jones

(01:28:04):
and say it's all about me in my paper, okay,
go right ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
But you got family.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Members, you got friends, you got classmates, you got cousins,
you got church members, you got neighbors. And trust me,
every the black folks who don't have paper what they
gonna do. And I'm telling you when you start talking
about healthcare cuts, we start talking about the food cuts,

(01:28:32):
we start talking about the attacks on organizations, for this is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Not Look, they are many in court that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Venezuelans who they ship to a decrepit el Savador prison.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
They had many in court. Some of them didn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Criminal records, but they're on television saying how they're is
violent gang members.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
They will say and do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
And I'm telling y'all that it's not the America you
truly want to live in, because if they are allowed
to do this, trust me, these people have no bottom
and they will keep going down, down down.

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (01:29:18):
You now, I'm just gonna say, they picked up six citizens,
six and not only deported them and sent them over
to Venezuela to your point, but then they denied the
federal court judge. The judge said to bring them back,
and and Trump and the and uh and I forget

(01:29:38):
the guy that's leading this whole zone. Yes, he said,
I don't care what the judge said. Think about that
for a second. Six individuals. They were not gang bangers,
they were not criminals. They had a tattoo I love Mom.
And they took them, just picked them up and sent
them overseas. Yep, that's what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
And trust me, Robert, when you start having an administration,
just openy say you don't give a damn what a
judge thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Oh we got a problem.

Speaker 19 (01:30:14):
It is the definition of a constitutional crisis that when
Polybias discussed the difference between the Roman republic as existed
at that time versus the government in Greece, which had
recently been conquered by the expansion of the Empire. He said,
the one thing that made him believe that that government
would never fall with the separation of powers. And you
have a Senate for the old and then the nobility

(01:30:35):
of the aristocracy. You have a council who is elected
by the people. You have an independent judiciary. They're able
to balance the needs of each group. Now you see
a situation in America where you have a singular executive
what they call the unitary executive theory of government, and
that individual has complete control over the House of Representatives.

(01:30:56):
He has control over the Senate because apparently Chuck Schumer
just caves whenever any oppressor is applied. He puts six justice,
he has sittans justices on the US Supreme Court. Not
to mention, he neaved three hundred on the lower courts
he appointed the first time out as the more that
he will be able to push through this time. This
is how democracies fall apart. This is how republics fall

(01:31:16):
into tyranny. That when President Trump jokes about running for
a third term in twenty twenty eight. He has not
joked about a damn thing yet. What makes you think
he's joking about that? The constitution that we depend on
is at a weaker state now that has been since
any time since the Civil War, and we have to
start making contingency plans for what happens when that document falls.

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Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Unfelthy, folks, I am here in Austin where there are
some drama here at the state Capitol UH the special

(01:33:38):
election to fuel the UH term of deceased congress and
Sylvester Attorney.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Here's an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
So Texas Governor Greg Abbott has not announced when the
special election is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Going to be held.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
The earliest there could be a a new representative could
occupy the positions mid to late May. Of the latest
possible date would be mid December, So what's going on here?
Of course Abbot could just say, what the heck, I'm
gonna leave this position open, put it on the November ballot.

Speaker 12 (01:34:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
And that means that the people of the eighteenth Congressional
District in Houston will be left without a representative over
the next nine or so months.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Then of course it could be in May. So there
are folks that I was at the capitol.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
I was talking to some state reps and then we're
talking about how look that that the impression is being
put on the governor to move. But what you have is,
you know, you've got a very slim lead for Republicans
in the House, and so by not feeling a vacancy
on the Democratic side, that helps House Republicans. Derek, this

(01:34:46):
is one of those things that you know, it's unfortunate
when so many when the decisions are left up to
the governor. Ron de Santa's the exact same thing in
Florida by not moving, dragging his feet on having a
special election, thus laying Democrats being able to take that seat.

Speaker 18 (01:35:05):
Not only they're playing politics, and the governor there understands
what he's doing. He's being intentional rolling he wanted to
make sure that that slim margin is now one seat
greater towards the Republicans, right, because now you have one
less Democrat and you have a population of seven hundred

(01:35:26):
thousand Texans without representation in Washington, d C. But also
look at what's coming on the horizon, Roland, Right, They're
going to have to do a debt ceiling.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
They got to take that on.

Speaker 18 (01:35:40):
They got other things that's coming down the pipe. And
so the more that the Speaker of the House right
now can say, hey, I got a little bit more
favorability now because the gap opened up by one seat,
I can see Governor Abbott saying, well, let's just put
it on November ballot, to your point, and wait until

(01:36:01):
that general election to be done the latter part of
this year, because they realize what's on the horizon and
every vote, every vote counts, Robert.

Speaker 19 (01:36:17):
You know, after the President's Joint Address to Congress, I
was coming back from the Cannon Tunnel towards the Long
Work Building. I saw Congressman Turner and the kind of
what they call the super highway there, and I got
opportunity to speak with him briefly. He was sitting down
in chair. Capitol police were kind of tending to him

(01:36:38):
and I asked him he was how he was doing.
He's like, I'm doing all right, brother, I'm doing all right.
And the next morning they announced that he had passed.
I think it's crucial for us as a as a
group to understand that it is okay at points in
time to pass the baton. It is okay to bring
up that next generation. It is okay to those to

(01:37:00):
go behind you who can uplift your vision, who can
uplift your values, your beliefs, and maybe they have stronger
legs to carry, but you can be that guiding force.
If you look around the leadership and on the Democratic
side of the aisle, on all levels, whether it's the
party apparatus, the House leadership, the Senate leadership, you're dealing
with people who are older. We've already had two members

(01:37:24):
of the Democratic Caucus in the House passed away this year,
and that's not even County in Chila Jetson Lee last year.
We have to start passing these batons voluntarily so that
we are able to ensure that we are controlling the
people who are appointed. We should not put these decisions
in the hands of someone like Greg Abbott. We cannot
put these things in the hands of someone's like Iron DeSantis.

(01:37:45):
The battles that we have going forward are too important.
And while I understand the compilation to not give up,
to not sit down, to not feel that you're not
in the fight, sometimes it's more important to ensure that
we are building those generations going forward, because right now,
as we're seeing more and more of that generation of leadership,

(01:38:06):
that leadership that brought us out of the desert and
into prosperity, and we're starting we have been talking about
the creation this Joshua generation to take the fight to
the next level since Ion was in college. But yet
and still we're not seeing that take place. These things
will not go on their own, and as we're seeing,
if we saw Ruth Bader Ginsburg, when you wait too long,

(01:38:26):
you put our community in a tougher position. So we
need to start talking and putting together the plans on
what the agenda will be going forward and who can
support the agenda. We have to have our eyes on
the prize of what we're trying to achieve legislatively. It's
not about the individual, it's about the nation, it's about
the community.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
And what we can do together, and we need to have.

Speaker 19 (01:38:47):
Those conversations quick, fast, and in a hurry, because the
longer that we wait, the more power that these extreme
mag of forces who have been putting together these multi
generational plans for multiple generations, they're now enacting those plans,
and we don't have the next generation trained up and
ready to go, and that's why they end up listening
to SETSI read A walk, a flock of flame, a
Pat man ole'veon bell instead of our leadership. Because the

(01:39:11):
leadership is now two and three and four generations away
from the actual energy of the movement. We have to
put the movement first, not the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
People absolutely, so that we're just watching what happens here
in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Christian inefi He is the county attorney. He announced he's
running today.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Former city council woman Amanda Edward's announced she's running.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
There are about six or seven others.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Potentially, you may have ten to fifteen people who see
this coveted position in Houston, this historic position because the
eighteenth Congressional District, that is the seat formerly held by
Congresswoman Barbara Jordan as well as Congressman Mickey Leland.

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Course he's unfiltered. Would you expect anything less? Watch watch
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nine nine to zero two seven two seven nine zero
nine nine, y'all, was a huge night last night and
in Dating, Ohio for Alabama State University of the HBCU
out of Montgomery, they played Saint Francis in the play

(01:43:09):
in game for March Madness. This play here throwing the
ball full full court and being be able to score
that lay up under the basket with zero point seven
seconds left.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Boy, talk about a huge, huge play.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
That play led, of course, Alabama State to a seventy
to sixty eighth victory over Saint Francis. The Hornets will
next face Ternaments number one seed Auburn University on Thursday
in Lexington, Kentucky. Now, when the game was over, suffice
to say the head coach of Alabama State was extremely

(01:43:48):
excited about what happened. This is the locker room talk
of Alabama State coach Tony Matlock.

Speaker 9 (01:43:57):
We're gonna have to get a get on that road type.
But what it is, man, we told y'all was about
our games, all of them. But I told him, we
spend more time on situations stuff touchdown with great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
Pass, where to go get it?

Speaker 9 (01:44:11):
Where to go get it? And then all the I
want this ball. I WoT this ball and I got
a score. That's what you gotta do.

Speaker 24 (01:44:18):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:44:19):
That is a winning play, That is a winning past.
That's everything, man, everything that we talk about.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Yeah, we ain't through.

Speaker 8 (01:44:26):
Let's keep playing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Let's get.

Speaker 9 (01:44:32):
So proud, so proud, first tournament win in Alabama state history,
got the twenty wins.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Sixteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
I'm saying, let's just keep doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:44:53):
Let's keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
He always let's fly around and have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
I want to have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
That's all we're gonna do.

Speaker 8 (01:44:58):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
But we got we don't we tay battle. We know what,
we know it. I'm just so proud of you guys.

Speaker 8 (01:45:03):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:45:04):
Let's say we're gonna get out of here. We got
you know, we got media stuff we gotta do. We'll
get to the hotel tower, we'll get on that road.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
We're going to mix.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
You know, Derek, if that was one sport where HBCUs
could still compete effectively against pwi's, it really would be basketball.
First of all, your squad is typiclarly twelve fifteen players.
Your rotation is typically eight max ten uh. So you
could have some top players in the country decide to

(01:45:43):
attend HBCUs and they could make a hell of a
run at March Badness and again right mix of players,
they could literally win the national championship.

Speaker 18 (01:45:54):
You know, Roland, when you give us an opportunity to compete,
and we know what the results going to be because
we understand that we work twice as hard. We understand
that we may not have as much resources as a PWY.
But in the end, when you look at one's heart
and energy, the coach said it best, right, I mean,

(01:46:17):
this is really based upon how we look at our
collective and independent energy and when we bring it all together,
that synergy is unstoppable. But I would say this though, Rowland,
regardless if it's on a basketball court or a football field,
or golf course or a tennis court, there's a reason

(01:46:39):
why they're systematically and intentionally trying to remove funds towards
HBCUs or those Antitan Black schools right because the act
because they realize that if you take the resources away,
they can't take our heart and that's reason why they're

(01:47:00):
going after HBCUs they're going after a sports We have
a bill right now in Georgia Senate, Bill one twenty
rolling that they talk about you cannot even have Michael
Jordan picture in the locker room because if you have
Michael Jordan pitcher in a locker room, they're.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Gonna remove your funds. This is where we are.

Speaker 18 (01:47:23):
And so that's where they're trying to create this unleveled
playing field by removing funding.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
And they think that's going to take our heart and our.

Speaker 18 (01:47:32):
Energy away, but they're gonna be sadly mistaken because that
historic victory clearly demonstrates that you don't have to give
us the same amount of funds that you give to
Alabama or Auburn. We will still fight and we will
still win because we just twice is better.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Twice is better, you know, Robert, I remember on Howard
University signed one of the top ranked players in the country,
a seven foot COVID hit and it was all sort
of it ended up leaving a lot of people were
excited about that, heralding that as a new moment. And
I'm must say, and then, of course in football, when
Travis Hunter number one cornerback in the country. One of

(01:48:11):
the top players signed with Jackson State, later transfer to
Colorado when Deon Sanders left to go to Colorado, eventually
winning the Heisman Trophy at Colorado. But I'm telling you
right now, I mean I listen, if you got three
or four the top basketball players in the country decide
to go play for it particular HBCU, Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
You don't need eight stars to win. You got two
or three stars, you could win it all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Look Broan, you're absolutely correct.

Speaker 19 (01:48:44):
Now, I would like to note that all these attacks
on diversity, equity and inclusion. What don't want black folks
at Harvard? You don't want black folks at North Carolina?
Do you want one black folks in the engineering program?
I ain't seen nobody trying to start black folks from
playing basket kibaldy bit schools.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Of course.

Speaker 19 (01:49:03):
Yeah, I ain't seen one effort. I ain't seen Trump
or jd Vance or Elon saying we can't have all
these black folks playing football at these schools bringing in
these millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
There's a reason for that. They understand the power of
the black body. I remind people this often that.

Speaker 19 (01:49:20):
Archaeologists tell us that the first black folks appeared on
this planet between two hundred and fifty and three hundred
thousand years ago on the African continent. There wasn't until
seventy five thousand years ago that we even left the
African continent as a species, but the genetic markers, going
to the journal Science, and a study from twenty seventeen

(01:49:40):
says that the genes that signify whiteness that means white skin,
blonde hair, blue eyes, able to digest blacktas did not
appear in northern Europe until seven thousand, seven hundred years ago,
so more recently than the last Ice Age. The reason
this is significant is they will tell you that anything
before that period of time is prehistory. Nothing before the

(01:50:03):
time when they showed up matters at all. So when
you're talking about competing against people of African DNA, they
understand that they are at a genetic disadvantage. You're dealing
with a population that has been evolving for three hundred
thousand years, essentially into the perfected version of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
Meanwhile, any individuals who are not whose.

Speaker 19 (01:50:25):
DNA left the African continent have between one and ten
percent Neanderthal DNA. These are just facts that exist out there.
That's the reason that they like you playing football. That's
the reason they like you playing basketball. You're essentially a
super soldier from Marvel Comics when we are out there
with them, So they're not going to try to stop
those things. But this is why it's important for us,

(01:50:45):
as you said, to control our own economy, to control
our own athletics. Because when the best players go to
our schools, the dollars follow those players. When Jared Rice
is at Mississippi Valley State, the eyeballs, the dollars follow
him there. When we invest in ourselves, we can build
our own institutions and we won't have to depend on

(01:51:07):
Bear Bryant to integrate us into football or into a
Bobby Knight to bring us into basketball. We'll be able
to control that messaging, and when we move to that
next level, we'll have a community that understands they need
they need to reinvest from where they came from. Instead
of seeing our athletes one hundred million dollar contract sitting
court sight of a Kentucky game, we can see them
right down here at Clark Atlanta Moorhouse, Moore's Brown It's

(01:51:30):
another HBCU putting that money back into our institutions in
our schools.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Well, would love to see that day come. Gentlemen, I
appreciate you joining me on today show. Thank you so
very much, Derek Robert, thank you. Thanks a lot, folks.

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