Dems cave to GOP funding bill, Judge orders thousands of federal workers reinstated, Trump USPS plan

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Today and Friday, March fourteenth, twenty twenty five, coming up
on Rolling Unfilds streaming live on the Black Star Network.
Boy that Senate Democrats cave in allowing the Republicans continued
resolution to go through so the government will not shut down.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
But guess what A lot of Democrats across the.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Country are ticked off at Democratic Manori leader Chuck Schubert
and the ten other Democrats that voted with the Republicans
will tell you all about it. You also hear from
House Democratic Leader High King Jeffries. At one point he
was asked to the Senate get new leadership. His response,
next question, Yeah. Thousands of people converged to the Natural Mall.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
In DC today.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
The protest actions taken by the MAGA trump thet they
claim unconstitution, including lots of alumni Saint Augustin's University alumni
or rally to say the historically black college University in
North Carolina will talk with two members of the SAU
coalition about their concerns regarding the factor as they believe
are causing the schools to climb the quest to force

(01:19):
the quest to force College of the Universities to classify
college players as employees continues. I talk to attorney represented
college athletes against the NCUBA who said that seriously they drew.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Legal precedents that compare college.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Athletes to unpaid prison labor under the Thirteenth Amendments slavery exception.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, they sure did.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
An organization is working to prevent opioid overdose debts and
black communities. Will chat with an advocate who says access
to life saving medications is unequal. Plus will show you
disturbing video in California that depicts a black girl being
really attacked by a Mexican American male student while onlookers,
including a substitute teacher, stoodbye and did nothing. And the

(02:04):
continuing erasure of black people and women continues by MAGA,
this time in Arlington National Cemetery.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's lots to unpack and it's time to bring the ball.
I'm rolling back, unfilched on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Let's go.

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Speaker 1 (03:10):
A federal judge in California has ruled that the thousands
of the promission production of workers fired from.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Federal agencies should be reinstated.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Judge William also granted a preliminary injunction and in lawsuit
brought by the American Federation of Government Employees.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
This ruling, issued in the U. S. District Court for
the Northern District.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Of California, applies to the fire promissionary employees and the
Department of Defense, Veteran Affairs, Agriculture, Energy, Interior, and Treasury.
Now the White House, who was supposed to be following
federal law. Here's this idiot, the Preseecretary Carolyn Levitt, where
she told reporters when asked if the administration will comply

(03:50):
with this court order, listen.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Got an update on it.

Speaker 9 (03:55):
Rulings about all the fired provisionary workers use the same language.
You're just kind of as in a statement about fighting back, said.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
Do you mean appealing or something else? In just the
administration plan to comply with those orders.

Speaker 10 (04:05):
In the meantime, fighting back by appealing, fighting back by
using the full weight of the White House Council's Office
and our lawyers at the federal government who believe that
this injunction is entirely unconstitutional, and it is for anybody
who has a basic understanding of the law. You cannot
have a low level district court judge filing an injunction
to usurp the executive authority of the President of the

(04:28):
United States. That is completely absurd. And as the executive
of the executive branch, the president has the ability to
fire or hire, and you have these lower level judges
who are trying to block this president's agenda. It's very clear,
and as I just cited, I was appalled by the
statistic when I saw it this morning. In three or

(04:49):
in one month in February, there have been fifteen injunctions
of this administration in our agenda. In three years under
the Biden administration, there were fourteen injunctions. So it's very
clear that there are judicial activists throughout our judicial branch
who are trying to block this president's executive authority. We
are going to fight back, and as anyone who saw

(05:09):
President Trump in his legal team fighting back. They know
how to do it. He was indicted nearly two hundred
times and he's in the oval office now because all
of the indictments, all of these injunctions have always been
on constitutional and unfair. They are led by partisan activists
who are trying to usurp the will of this president,
and we're not going to stand for it.

Speaker 11 (05:27):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So, you're just going to ignore a federal judge. At
least thirty thousand probationary federal and government employees were dismissed
as part of a government efficiency initiative Leed bab twice
in Peach criminally convicted felon in chief Donald the con
Trump and as co president Elon Musk. The effort to

(05:50):
slash federal workforce at government expenditures is running face long
into facts because they really haven't done it.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But it shows you the level of ignorance if they are.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
In my guest this week, Matt Manning, civil rights attorney
out of Corpus, Christy Derek Jackson, state representative out of Georgia.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
During the from Atlanta. Michael m. Hotep hosts the African
History Network Show out.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Of Detroit, Bob Line here, Derek, these folks doge all
the so called savings, their joke, their line. They have
to keep going back, revising, they keep getting busted by
people exposing their lives as well. And so I mean,
and then, but to listen to this fool Carolyn Levitt
to act as if you could just ignore a federal judge.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh, one judge shouldn't do this.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, I recalled that there were numerous times where a
federal judge made rulings during the Biden Hairs administration and
guess what they appealed. But they never said, oh, the
judge didn't have the constitutional authority.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
To do so.

Speaker 12 (06:49):
You know, Roland, it's amazing that we're only fifty four
days in this administration, just fifty four days, and the
number of it just gets so exhausted to say, unconstitutional, unprecedented,
these words are starting to be worn out in these

(07:09):
fifty four days.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Here's the bottom line, Roland.

Speaker 12 (07:13):
We have a democracy, we have a system in place
in the judicial branch. They're doing their job. These are
not low level judges. These are individuals who are doing
their job and they're going to hold him accountable.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I mean, just face it.

Speaker 12 (07:33):
The other day, we're a federal court judge told him
that he had to bring individuals back that he took
over to.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Gauatanamo Bay cubable.

Speaker 12 (07:42):
Unlawfully taking citizens from one country to another country is illegal.
And this is the same individual that decided to bring
automobiles in front of the White House in the Rose Garden,
which is also ill leg And so we're just going

(08:02):
to have to continue to buckle down, fasten our seatbelts,
hold them accountable, and shows like yours going to have
to realize can tell individuals where this president and Elon
Musk and everyone else are breaking the law. And what
he did today in the Department of Justice for forty

(08:23):
five minutes, ranting and raving and going after lawyers just
uncalled for.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
We're going to get into that, Matt. These are thugs.
These people do not care about the rule of law.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
They believe that they have all authority.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
And Donald Trump, he acts like there's no such thing
as three bringers of government. For him, it's only one branch.
Other ones get to do what he says do.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
One of the first cases you learn in law school
and constitutional law is a case called Marbury b. Madison,
and that's the case that said the Supreme Court had
the right, essentially the power or to look at the
constitutionality of the laws. I don't know if it's ever
been explicitly construed with executive orders, but the point is
Article three, judges have the right, as it's been you know,

(09:12):
in our government since eighteen oh three, to review the
constitutionality of the laws and presumably as well the executive order.
So to act as though a judge who had to
be nominated by the President and be confirmed by the
Senate and go through the entire confirmation processes. They quote
low level judge despite a lifetime appointment in the awesome
power of the federal judiciary. Is just a matter of

(09:33):
rhetoric over reality, because the reality is federal judges have
a lot of power, and it's an August position. So
what it is is that the Trump you know, administration
doesn't like the answers that it's getting from the courts.
And the thing is the court doesn't quote file an injunction.
The court rules on an injunction.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So that means that a.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Litigant came in front of the court and said, look,
we are likely to be harmed by this executive order.
I'm not sure exactly who filed this, but presumably it
was one of the unions or maybe individual federal workers
who said, we're likely to be harmed by this action.
The court looked at that and determined that they were
in fact likely to be harmed by that action and
issued the injunction ruling in their favor. But my understanding

(10:12):
is that there was also some dicta or some commentary
about how the court believed that the way they were
doing this was not only unconstitutional and unlawful, but was
dishonest that they were framing it. As you know, people
who had never had bad performance reviews before were now
being allegedly let go because of their performance. I think
the judge saw that this was a subterfuge, and this

(10:33):
is exactly how this is supposed to work with judgs
and balances. The judiciary is supposed to be able to
look at the constitutionality of laws and actions. That's what
they've done here, and I think we're all at risk
of the entire house of cards falling, if you will,
once the Trump administration starts to just out and out
disregard what judges are doing in their rulings. And that's

(10:54):
where I think we're heading and we've already seeing that
they're already kind of messaging in that regard. But once
they start a wholesale doing that, I don't really know
what the institutional response is going to be because right now,
judges are basically the last line of defense to stop
a lot of this craziness that's coming out of the
White House.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Michael, we said what these thugs were going to do,
and they're doing exactly what they also said they were
going to do. They do not care about judicial rulings
except the ones that are in their favor.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And a little bit later on the show, we're going
to show some of.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
This insane that insane speech he gave at the Department
of Justice, and what was even more shameful for his
a trained general standing right next to him, the same
idiot who spends more time on Fox News than she
actually does at the Department of Justice.

Speaker 13 (11:46):
Yeah, you know, this has been a crazy week, rolling
from the trade war, from tariffs, to the European Union
striking back with their reciprocal tariffs, to the stock market
dropping uh, to.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
These two rulings.

Speaker 13 (12:03):
Actually two rulings came out yesterday, one from a federal
judge in Maryland and then also the federal judge in
California regarding basically the same thing, tens of thousands of people, uh,
federal employees being fired under doge uh from from this government.
And uh the judges are ruling that these people were

(12:24):
fired basically illegally, they weren't given advanced notice. And then
a lot of cases uh matters absolutely correct on this.
In a lot of cases, Uh, it's said that they
uh didn't perform well, but they but there, but their
last performance review said that they were doing exceptionally well.

(12:44):
And then also Donald Trump this week he talked about
how employees at the Department of Education, how a lot
of them don't show up to work, things of this nature,
and uh and uh he's just throwing this stuff out
and provide no evidence. And then when we look at
the corrections that a doge just had to make, according
to Reuters, according to that count, over one thousand eras

(13:09):
have had to be corrected by adults.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
So if any of us on this.

Speaker 13 (13:14):
Panel made a thousand eras at our job, we we
would have been five months ago. Okay, this is this
is just stupid. So uh yeah, it's it's going to
get worse. This is what we warned people about and
the problem with Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
And I said this in the first administration.

Speaker 13 (13:34):
Everything that Trump does, he tells you ahead of time
he's going to do it. It's just people people for
some reason didn't believe him. He told you he was
going to do all of this. So this this continues.
But this show is also the importance of judges, especially
federal judges.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Uh indeed, indeed, so you know these folks, they are thugs,
pure and simple. Yes, they don't care about the law
and they just want to do whatever it is they
want to do.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So a little bit later, we're going to talk.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
About several other things they're doing regarding US Postal Service
violating the law.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
We're going to talk about, of course.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
That crazy, demented speech that idiot gave today in the
Department of Justice. So it's a lot to talk about
right now, though, I want to go talk about what's
happening at Saint Augustine's University in North Carolina. Last night
we told you about the university, which entered into a
ninety day arbitration process after its appeal.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
For accreditation was denied.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
The SAU coalition formed in early twenty twenty four, is
trying to figure out how to dismantle the school's board
of trustees, whom they say is the real problem. Save
SAU coalition chair Benjamin Johnson and Steve Williams, a national
alumni trustee elect for Saint Augustin's University, joins me right now, gentlemen,
glad to have you here. I just don't the life

(14:56):
of me, I don't understand how Saint Augustine's continues to
be in trouble. I mean, we're now going on at
least a decade, and real quick, how many presidents have
y'all had in the last decade?

Speaker 14 (15:16):
In the last in the last ten years, Roland, we
have only had one president.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Six have been interim or acting. Well, that's but that
also counts. That's my whole point. So you've had seven
in ten years. You show you show me any institution,
whether it's a Fortune five hundred company, an HBCU, a
PWI community college, or you show me just a regular

(15:48):
ordinary organization or a church. If you've had seven leaders
in ten years, there's a problem with the people who
are picking the leaders, and that's the board of trustees.

Speaker 9 (16:00):
Absolutely, yes, absolutely, you know, I think the common denominator
rolling in that has always been the Board of Trustees.

Speaker 15 (16:10):
They're the only ones that haven't changed.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
And that's been the issue, and we brought that up
in court were in our court case, and we basically
said that several times that's been the common denominator has
been the Board of Trustees exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
So I let me throw this dome because I asked
this question last night. So we puller's put the trustees
back up. So there are fourteen board members?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (16:39):
In that picture, there's fourteen.

Speaker 14 (16:42):
We haven't had the customary number of fifteen is what
we're by the state statute, is what we're supposed to have.
There hasn't been fifteen board members in the last three.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
And a half years.

Speaker 9 (16:57):
And in that picture also Bas Boulager, George Brooks and
another person has already gone from the actual board, so
they've already resigned.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Okay, So to your knowledge, do these board members bring
in any money?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Is there a minimum? Is there a minimum?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Is there a minimum amount that each board members should
bring in?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (17:30):
One of the things that we talked about last night
was the structuring of the bylaws, and the bylaws in
twenty thirteen.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Stated that board members had to.

Speaker 14 (17:42):
Give or get raise or or donate five thousand dollars
per board member.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
That had been restructured. That's it. Oh five thousand. That
that was it.

Speaker 14 (17:56):
And the bylaws were restructured from one hundred and fifty
six page document to twenty six pages. And in those
twenty six pages, the board members were only only required
to bring in five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Foo all stop. It went from five thousand to five hundred.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yes.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
Yes, they took one hundred and twenty five page document
and rolled it into twenty five pages.

Speaker 15 (18:30):
Their bylaws. Our by laws used to be one hundred
and twenty five.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
One hundred and fifty six yees pages, one hundred and
fifty six pages, and they basically reduced it to twenty
five pages to encapsulate themselves so they could be self governing.

Speaker 15 (18:45):
That's what happened under that they changed it.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Okay, So when doctor Robinson was there, you had to
bring in one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 16 (19:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
So so okay, here's the next question. Who picks the
Board of trustees.

Speaker 14 (19:09):
With the situation that we have now, the board chair
has been selecting board members and they are.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Hold on again again, hold on, hold on, hold on.
So let me just fun Okay. So, first of all,
I'm wearing Texan and University shirt. Texas is a state university.
The governor picks the board of regents. That's how as
it happens. Say that Augustine's is a private university. Okay, So,
so is there a governing entity over the board?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Is there? I mean it's so. Or does the board just.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Do whatever the hell they want to do and they
just self governed?

Speaker 9 (19:51):
Basically, that's what they're doing wrong when they reduce the
actual when they change the actual bylaws, that's what they did.

Speaker 15 (19:58):
They reduced it to the.

Speaker 9 (19:59):
Point of being self governed and basically them being able to,
you know, have carte blanche and what they wanted to
do with the university without any without any any oversight
or any oversighter management period.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Okay, So explain to me how the university has gotten into.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Such a bad state of affairs financially. What I don't
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Detailed last night how Saint Augustine's got thirty five million
dollars from the federal government during COVID nineteen million in
cap one forgiveness. That means a loan not being paid
back and an additional, an additional you know, fifteen fifteen millions.

Speaker 15 (20:46):
So what the hell happened?

Speaker 14 (20:50):
Well, Roland, I will say this is that in the
SAX report, UH, in reviewing that that the in the
SAX report, they showed up that there was ten million
dollars unaccounted for.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
UH.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
There were four.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Items that were brought up in regards to.

Speaker 14 (21:08):
Financial management, fiscal mouth seasons, fiscal misfeasons, and there was
a fourth one all financial the up and in the
in this process in the last two years, UH, there
were three more that were added in regards to just
overall governance.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
So as you mentioned that there was basically a total.

Speaker 14 (21:34):
Of almost fifty million dollars that was brought into the
school and it is unaccounted.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
For historically, there's all what what what the hold on?

Speaker 15 (21:45):
What?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
What the hell is unaccounting for?

Speaker 16 (21:47):
Me?

Speaker 14 (21:50):
Okay, that they that when there was an audit, they
could not they showed that money came in, but couldn't.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Show show where it was dispersed to.

Speaker 9 (22:04):
That came up in the twenty twenty one audit would
be too where they basically showed and laid out where
over I think they said above ten million dollars shit
out and basically and shipped out, MEANWHI are transfers five
thousand in increments of five thousand and the highest being

(22:24):
three hundred and fifty thousand were shipped out and that's
public record. So there was no authorization done, there was
no oversight, there's no checks and balances, and that's historically
what has happened with Saint Augustine's over the years. There's
never been any really true checks and balances, which is

(22:45):
why we're in the situation where we are right now
to just put it, just put it out there. There's
never been any really and true checks and balances because
in any business it would have shut down completely by
this time, just not having the right things and the
right dacus in place, right thanks in place?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, all right, So.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
The Attorney General refused to sign off on this deal,
this ninety ninety the year lease with this company out
of Florida. You have folks who are, you know, like
they're trying to figure this seven million dollar loan, twenty
four percent interest charged to it.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Uh. And what sort of set me off.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Last night was this university statement that that well, you know,
you know, we need unity and positivity.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, it.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Ain't gonna be no positivity until somebody can explain whereing
the hell the money went.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And I think that and what I said is you.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I said, as leadership, you can't be asking the community,
an alumni and others to help to say the university
if you don't have straightforward answers on what the hell is.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Happen with the money that they got over the last five.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Years, exactly Roland. And one of the things with.

Speaker 14 (24:08):
That is that the same SAYU coalition we have actually
gone to find donors to help us financially and the
next steps in this process.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
The majority of the.

Speaker 14 (24:21):
Donors that we have had relationships with want to give funds,
but they will get it with stipulation.

Speaker 7 (24:29):
One of the stipulations is that the board needs to go.

Speaker 14 (24:33):
Some of them want the board, well most all of
them want the board gone. Some want the track coach
that was fired unceremoniously to be reinstated. There are a
lot of things that the university has done that has
been unscrupulous, and we.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
Have to show that that behavior.

Speaker 14 (24:56):
Those people that have done that are gone, or anybody
will come up and put a dollar in our basket.

Speaker 9 (25:05):
I think the main thing, which and being is right.
The main thing that we're focusing on is why if
you're getting the loan for a seven million or seventy million,
and you're putting up the entire campus and all the properties.
So basically you're talking about two hundred and fifty million
dollars in properties for a seventy million dollar loan, which

(25:27):
makes no sense. And if you take it even a
step further, when they took the money from Gothic Ventures,
they took first seven million, then they took another four
million in November. With that four million dollars that you
took in November, you did not get the school prepped
and ready for the students to even return for the
next semester. So they what did you do with the money?

(25:50):
There's no accountability, So that's what's been happening here. And
the fact that they've been they've encapsulated themselves behind the
bylaws is what we've been fighting because really, in truth
and merit, they don't have checks and ballances, they don't
show any receipts, but they still come back to alumni
asking for money.

Speaker 15 (26:10):
Nobody wants to give to a black hole period the.

Speaker 14 (26:14):
Exactly and rolling on one piece and talking about the
changes in the bylaws, and they made the changes of bylaws.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
One of the things that they did is that they created.

Speaker 14 (26:27):
An executive branch and a member branch, and they were
able to serve two four year terms. If they became
a member of the executive branch, their.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Four year terms started over again.

Speaker 14 (26:44):
So we have board members who have been on their
twelve to sixteen years and wow, by the common denominator,
and not only a common denominator.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
But these are staying. They have staying.

Speaker 14 (27:01):
Power because they have manipulated the bylaws so that they
could stay. And in our lawsuit we talked about that
the Board of Trustees was using the university as its
own piggy back.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Absolutely questions from questions from my panel, let me go
to Matt Manning first.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, So my first question is what role, if any,
does the North Carolina General Assembly play in the governance
of Saint Augustine And is there a possibility that the
General Assembly can come in and abdicate some of the
Board's powers. I know we've seen that in other states,
and frankly, it usually works against the benefit of the university.
But I'm wondering if there's any kind of mechanism like

(27:46):
that here that y'all are aware of.

Speaker 14 (27:50):
Well, because we are a private institution, we are we
have to adhere to the five oh one Seed three
Statutes for an education institution. So the powers and the
enforcement powers all live with the Attorney General's office.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
Now we can put pressure on the legislator to.

Speaker 14 (28:15):
Have the attorney general as they would put pressure on
the Attorney general to do something.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
So that's where we are in this process.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
And I think that was our whole reason for going
to court, mainly because to show we knew there was
a slight possibility on the technicality that we may not
win that case, but the merit of our case was
very strong, so we took that chance, and basically we
lost because the statue and the statue is you have
to be a sitting board member to bring a case forward.

(28:48):
Now me being the actual trustee elect that they haven't seated,
and because they knew once they set me then this
lawsuit would move forward safely assume. But at this point
that's what we've been fighting against. And even the judge,
once she saw the merit of the case, she was

(29:09):
definitely saddened because she had to.

Speaker 15 (29:12):
Side with the statue.

Speaker 9 (29:14):
But this is what she said openly, this is the
part that I hate the most. We're losing because of statue,
not because of the merit period. Derek, you know, my
question was very similar to Manny's, but since it was

(29:36):
asking me, shifted in a different perspective because as a
legislator here in Atlanta, we had a similar situation with
Morris Brown College.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Morris Brown College was unaccredited.

Speaker 12 (29:50):
For nearly twenty years due to financial mismanagement of funds.
So what are the next steps of where you are
while this litigation process is underway.

Speaker 14 (30:06):
Well, the first piece as where we are now is
we're not able to do anything until the board is gone.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
We are still pushing that piece.

Speaker 14 (30:19):
In the meantime, we have looked at other models of
schools like Talladega, Morris Brown, Bennett College to see what
they did in order to get accreditation. And as you
mentioned Morris Brown, it took them twenty years to get
their accreditation back. It took ben at ten. Talladega was

(30:40):
able to maneuver, manipulate not to lose its accreditation but
to get a fresh start, which took them three years.
So we're looking at those types of things and putting
plans and strategies together for when that board does lead.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
As we've put some things in place.

Speaker 9 (31:03):
Has been stated, we're strengthening our actually strategic plan and
we're sureing that up so as Ben stated that, but additionally,
we've already been having conversations with various partners, community partners,
other university partners that all say the same thing. Once
this board is dissolved, then they would come in and

(31:25):
they will be willing participants in helping restore Saint Augustine's
to its the betterment basically and to the future.

Speaker 15 (31:33):
They know that Saint Augustine's is needed in that corridor.

Speaker 9 (31:37):
Raleigh and North Carolina as a whole is one of
the oldest still left HBCUs in the nation. Definitely, we
are fighting and we're going to continue fighting.

Speaker 13 (31:50):
Michael Hey, gentlemen, I had two quick questions if I could.
Number one, with this being this university being in five
and one seat three. I know with generally speaking with
five on one c threes, they have to make their financials public.
Usually a lot of times it's on their website. For
various organizations does that apply also for educational institutions for

(32:14):
universities number one and number two? How often our audits
done You may have said it, I may have missed it,
but how often our audits done?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It?

Speaker 8 (32:23):
And all those audits UH made.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Public as well?

Speaker 14 (32:28):
Okay, okay, I call you Michael, that's Michael. This is
this is really for me to answer this. It's very disappointing,
but I'm going to get hit you with the hard facts.
One of the reasons that we lost accreditation is because there.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Were no audits done.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
Hmmm.

Speaker 14 (32:47):
So they had to in this process, we're manufacturing audits
after they were requested, and in losing the accreditation, we
were not able to provide the correct number of audits.
This one is supposed to be done every year, and
as we were on probation, the audits were supposed to

(33:10):
be done in the five year.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Increments, and they were only able to actually produce UH
two or three a.

Speaker 14 (33:19):
Half, but not all of the five year audits for
the last five years. And you mentioned about UH the
information being public. Yes, that is a requirement, and that
requirement was not met by our.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Board of trustee.

Speaker 9 (33:38):
Yes, they don't have minutes, they don't they don't share minutes.
They don't even have minutes, right, they take minutes at
their meetings. They don't regularly update the website when new
board members have come, basically just put blank pages up
and things of that nature.

Speaker 15 (33:55):
And it's just been a game of cloak and dagger
with this board and trustees. Just be perfectly honest.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
Wow, all right, thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Last question. We're the students and all of this. You know,
we went down to Florida and we did a special
show at Bathune Cookman alumni and students invited us to
do that. What are the students saying with all of
this drama going on?

Speaker 9 (34:25):
Let me tell you something. Roland and I got to
take this one. My organization, Falcons Unite. We've been ten
toes down and fighting this board of trustees for the
last fifteen years. One of the things that we always
pride ourselves on is to connection with the students on
that campus, and not only just when they matriculate when

(34:46):
they leave.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
When they leave.

Speaker 9 (34:48):
They go to other business, they look for jobs, they
always come to us, right. We've created portals where we
can tie them in through this process with this administration
and this board of trustees. We you've had professional therapists
that are part of falcons Unite give free time. It's
been hard, I tell you, if nice. We have been

(35:09):
fired up and everybody want to call fired up students
PTAD trauma. These students have been basically just be all
over this and dragged publicly by this administration.

Speaker 15 (35:24):
And it's sad.

Speaker 9 (35:26):
It's sad, and I don't know how anybody can sit
up there and say they love the university and doing
the best when basically your best and brightest you're treating
like homeless people. You're basically just not even treating them
with any kind of respect or dignity.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
And it just gets worse.

Speaker 9 (35:44):
I mean you even had actually we had to give
one of the actual professors and I have to say this,
they were losing their livelihood, not being paid. One of
them almost underlive themselves. And luckily we had a therapist
on call that basically made that call and stayed online

(36:04):
with them too.

Speaker 15 (36:04):
We got up to the proper help a ride.

Speaker 9 (36:08):
This this is this is traumatic, and we keep saying this,
We keep making calls. You know, we know it's an
open investigation with the AG, but at some point something
has had to happen. Somebody has to have some form
of empathy to see that the common denominator that's being
heard in here are the students. You can take alumni

(36:31):
out the way. The common denominator that's being hurt by
the students. And to me, that's most important when you're
talking about a university and building it back.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes, when is the next board meeting? When is the
next board meeting?

Speaker 14 (36:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Boy? We we don't know.

Speaker 14 (36:50):
If if we don't know that The short answer is,
we don't know because they have the board members have
changed so much and we don't know if they've had electronic.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Board meetings or.

Speaker 14 (37:09):
They because they've split this process where they've got an
executive board and a member board.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
We don't know.

Speaker 14 (37:15):
We have we have made inquiries as to you know,
when is the next board meeting? Uh, and we have
been not given in an answer. We've asked about the students.
How many students are there? What can we do? We
don't know the number of students that are currently there

(37:36):
on campus.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
They've gone to virtual learning.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
The only thing that.

Speaker 14 (37:41):
We we get more information from sex than we do
from the institution itself in a normal process.

Speaker 9 (37:49):
Roland, they were supposed to on the website show when
their meetings are. That's the transparency that's supposed to happen.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
None of that is that.

Speaker 17 (37:58):
That is that that hasn't happened for what All right, Well,
we hope to get some additional answers from University of
Leadership on this board, and so we'll certainly stay on
top of this.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Gentlemen, we stally appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 15 (38:13):
Okay, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1 (42:43):
Folks, Big chain is that becoming to the US Postal Service?
Post Pastor General Lewis de Joy just sign an agreement
with Elon Musk Department of Government Efficiency.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah you heard that?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Right to have quote fixed the Postal Services finances. Let's
be clear, this is not about fixing, it's about slashing
and taking it over. Since Joy took over in twenty twenty,
thirty thousand jobs have already been cut at the Postal
Service and another ten thousand layoffs are coming next month.
Black workers make up nearly thirty percent of the Postal

(43:13):
Service employees. And here's the bigger picture of there's talk
of privatizing the USPS. That means fewer jobs, high prices
for mail delivery, and less service in rule and low
income communities. Now there's a federal law, Michael, that says
that was passed to not privatize the Postal Service.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
A lot of people, a lot of progressives and Democrats are.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Concerned because guess what if Trump gets his hands on
the postal Service that impacts ballots and things along those lines.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
And so this is this is.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Something that Republicans have long sought after. But we are
seeing that this war is going to be happening there too, Bluly.

Speaker 13 (43:56):
And this is something that was fed during the first
Trump administration. And as you have mentioned, the Republicans conservatives
have been talking about privatizing not just Social Security but
also the US Postal Service as well.

Speaker 8 (44:14):
Selling off parts of it.

Speaker 13 (44:15):
And this was something that came up during the first
Trump administration. When you deal with mail in ballots, and
now if it's privatized, the delay in mail in ballots
being sent to certain areas, say maybe like I don't know, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia,

(44:36):
something like that. So, yeah, this is once again devastating news.
They're going to be lawsuits around this. But this is
what we were warning African Americans about. And other thing
Roland is that when you look at the attack on DEI,
they're using that all across the federal government now to

(44:57):
attack the Department of Education, to shut down the there's departments,
to layoff people, et cetera. Now, in this specific instance,
it's important for people to understand African Americans have been
working for the US Postal Service going back to the
eighteen forties, going not the nineteen forties, going back to
the eighteen forties, and this was one of the and then.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
After slavery in late eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 13 (45:22):
Things like this, early nineteen hundreds, this is one of
the first government jobs that we had. And there are
six hundred and forty thousand employees of the US Postal
Service twenty nine percent of African American So this is
more devastating attacks that will gut the African American middle class.
This is one of the ways that you got into

(45:44):
the middle class. Federal government jobs, especially the US Postal Service.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Again, for the folk, Derek, who can't do math, we're
talking about more than one hundred and ninety thousand black
employers ease in the Postal Service.

Speaker 12 (46:04):
Not only that, one hundred and ninety thousand black employees.
Livees will change significantly if this is privatized. The other
aspect Roland, that we tend to take for granted is
that a lot of black entrepreneurs, businesses use the United
States Postal Service. And so now you have a government

(46:25):
that's anti DEI. And then you look at someone like
Kelly Leffler.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
No no, no, no, no, no no, let's wait, no, Ali, Derek,
let's be real specific.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
You have a government that's anti black.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yes, go no no, no, no.

Speaker 12 (46:44):
Roland, You're exactly right, because I just had a debate
yesterday around the Department of Education, and I said, they're
removing the African American ap courses, but yet you're going
to leave the German courses, the friend courses and all
the other But yeah, so you exactly right there.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
They are anti black. So I appreciate that correction.

Speaker 12 (47:08):
But the point to your point is that when you
look at black businesses that need to use the United
States Postal Service, because the United State Postal Service will
be able to move their goods and products. Unlike at
the expense of companies like FedEx and ups where they're

(47:29):
gonna charge them a xuberant amount of money, the United
State Postal Service will would give you a different kind
of break. Even with us who are in the political arena,
we use the United State Postal Service when we campaign,
and so if you're going to privatize it, now they
can determine what literature is process through the Postal Service.

(47:52):
And then there's one other point that we need to
highlight rolling is medicine. You're starting to use a lot
of senior citizens getting near medicine through the mail too,
and so the mail system to so many aspects of
our lives that we just take for granted, and if
they privatize it, the black community will be severely negatively impacted.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Folks got to recognize, Matt, this is no joke. That's
going on. And listen, for three years we said Product
twent twenty five was real. When Trump lied, Oh, I
don't know anything about it. I don't even want to
read it. We knew he was lying.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
But all these folks do it now, crying as that
we tried.

Speaker 15 (48:37):
To tell you.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yeah, I mean, they knew what it was and somehow
they thought they would be insulated from the brunt of it.
And you see people crying all over social media because
they're getting what they voted for. I will tell you,
I think I'm a little bit at a disadvantage with
the post Office and the economics as it relates to it,
because I understand that the post Office has operated at
a loss for you know, multiple years. It has been

(49:02):
in a profitability issue. And while I completely am sympathetic
and hope that a lot of black people, one hundreds
of thousands of black people don't lose their jobs, I
am wondering what extent to which the economic woes play
into what the appropriate thing to do is with the
Post Office. And I'm not in any way advocating for privatization,
but not understanding the economics enough.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, but here's so right, so great point, so so no, no, no, no,
I'm no no, I'm not gonna let you continue with it.
But I want to put a pin in that right there.
What a lot of people don't realize is that the
law was changed where the Postal Service was required to

(49:43):
basically front load their pension. And so when you look
at the second of all, it's also a congressional mandate.
So when you talk about the delivery of mail service
in the country, you're talking about I mean, and this
is a part that a lot of people just can't accept.
It's a lot of land in the United States, and

(50:06):
so when you start talking about going out to rural
areas delivering just simple letters and things along those lines,
that's a major issue. You got lots of senior citizens
who get their medicine through the post office as well,
so you have so in many ways, the post office
has operated as a public service, as a public utility.

(50:31):
So you have folks who say, well, you know, we
need to run it like a business. But see the
problem with running it like a business is when you
have a business.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
So let's just take an airline.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
An airline goes, well, this is an unprofitable route. So
what then happens is there are a lot of mind
size and small towns in the United States.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
That have no air service whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
They may have to drive thirty sixty ninety one hundred
miles to catch a flight at a major airport. Well,
the post office was set up totally different. It was
we're going to deliver mail to these rural parts of
the country.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
So the issue is a huge issue is that.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
It requires a lot of people with the post office.
And that's what's played into this economics piece. When you
start talking about the number of people who live in
rural Georgia and rural Texas and rural Iowa and Illinois
and Idaho and Montana and you know, and all these

(51:39):
states where Congress has said, no, we're going to ensure
that people are able to get the mail. Then you
have the folks who say, well, things have changed, we're
not electronic. But guess what, rural areas a lot of
them don't have hot speed internet. So so the folks
who say that's modernnies and let's cut a lot of

(52:02):
these you know, manual expenses. It's it's an additional problem
because if people aren't unable to get online, what do
they rely on the postal service.

Speaker 15 (52:13):
Now go ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
I mean, look, I'm not advocating for privatization. I'm just
readily admitting I don't know all the economics. I got
you when we talk about the post office, that's a
lot of the problem because all you hear is about
cost overruns and you know, issues not making they're at
least making a profit. So I think one that kind
of makes it difficult for people to fully understand why

(52:35):
privatization would be a bad thing. I love that you
framed it as a public service because that's exactly what
I think of as the post Office, you know, being
And I think it's a question of how does it
need to be reformed, maybe even by a congressional mandated
through a congressional law, to make it such that it
is not characterized essentially as a quasi governmental business that's

(52:56):
not running a profit, because then it's easy to, you know,
get the rhetoric around that we need to get rid
of it or privatize it because it's a business that's
not meeting its financial goals. But outside of all of that,
I would say, as it relates to the post Office,
you see that Lewis the joy is here and It's
interesting because he's kind of ritten under the radar through
the Biden administration because he was a Trump appointee. But

(53:19):
I'm sure that this is something that the Republicans have
been looking to do for a long time, and he's
just kind of laid in wait. And now to your
point about Project twenty twenty five, they're able to enact
a plan that they knew was coming. But I do
think that at least in the political context, for Democrats
to edify people like myself and others, they need to
explain why the Post Office is not only a public good,

(53:41):
but how it can be reformed to continue to serve
that public good, but not be an easy thing on
the chopping block as it relates to cost overruns and
the financial piece of it.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
So here's something here.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
So in fiscal year twenty twenty four, the Postal nerves
lost nine point five billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Uh. And they say they don't expect they're gonna they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Make a profit. They're gonna break even in twenty twenty five. Now,
this is what the Post Service said. Eighty percent of
the agency's losses come from fixed costs, which include pension contributions,
for its retirees and workers' compensation claims for employees injured

(54:27):
on the job. All right, Now, here's the issue when
all of a sudden, when they try to raise prices,
Oh my god, members of Congress lose their minds.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
People actually go crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
So they're not they don't have any plan to set
higher prices in twenty twenty five, but they're looking at
twenty twenty seven. Now here's one of the here's one
of the issues that again we talk about. The post
Office has one you have obviously you have competition between
between ups, between fed X.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
You got that.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Also the amount of mail that we used to get.
Guess what that's dropping. What I mean by that is
that when you look at the numbers, uh, we don't
get as much jump mail because we also things have
also become digital. The last point is Congress mandates mandates
that every place in America be served by the post Office.

(55:28):
So that goes back to again those costs as well.
Michael real quick.

Speaker 13 (55:32):
Yeah, so what you just said that last point, Congress
mandates that everyone is served by the post Office. That's
the that's the difference between a business and the federal government.
The federal government has to serve everyone. And this is
the debate that takes place a lot of times in
business schools. Can we run the federal government like a business? No,
you cannot, because the federal government, these different entities are

(55:53):
put in place to.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Provide a service. Well, it's the business. The number one
reason why you go into businesses to make a profit.
Can I ask one question?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yep, So go ahead, Yeah, So do you.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Know was the post Office intending to front load those
pensions and then amortize the cost I guess over X
number of years and then be profitable outside of those
pension costs after seven years, five years, ten years, And
do you know anything to that end?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Let me actually, I'm going I'm gonna address the healthcare
piece one second.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Let me pull this up because then again, this is
one of the things that it happened a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
So this is a piece right here.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
That it was called how Congress manufactured a postal crisis.
So in two thousand and six, Congress passed a law
that laid out massive cost.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
On the postal service.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
So the postal this is two thousand and six, the
Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. It required the Postal service
to create a seventy two billion dollar fund.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
This is a piece from the Institute for Policy Studies.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
It required the Postal Service to create a seventy two
billion dollar fund to pay for the cost of his
post retirement health care costs seventy five years into the future. Okay,
they say here this burden applies to no other federal
agency or private corporation. So as a result, if you're

(57:34):
having to pay health for the next seventy five.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Years, you're going to be running a deficit.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
So it's not like, oh, we get paid for the
next fifty years, No, seventy five years. So this is
what some have described as Congress passing such a law.
That is one of the reasons why when you look
at the current numbers by it's as well, they're losing
money because they had to set aside seventy two billion dollars.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And so that's that's that's part of the issue here.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
And so between that you have pensions as well, all
these things combined, uh, that that you have to deal with.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
And look, the reality.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Is when to come to pensions, these are people who
took more selleries for a number of years on a
on a base on the promise of having a pension,
and now you've got to pay for that. What happened
with a lot of a lot of publicly traded companies.
You had a lot of these companies that owe a
lot of workers pensions. You know, they started doing whacking
their pensions and so all of a sudden, you start

(58:30):
screwing the people who you promise pensions once they retired.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
So it's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So so Congress, you know, as opposed to complaining and
all these hearings, needs to also learn to accept the
role that they played in creating a huge problem. Just
let's go about next story. We'll talk about n C
double A. And of course the n C Double A
is having some major changes. You've got n I L,
You've got court rulings now having to pay players. I mean,

(58:56):
it goes on and on and on. So as a result,
the NCUBA is constantly in court.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
They are under.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Assault left and right.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
It's also from their own making, okay, I mean, that's
just what they've They've created this big problem because they
were so arrogant and they were taking so much money
and keeping it and paying big salaries.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
So in July, the US Court of Appeals. The Third
Circuit rebuked the.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
NC DOUBLEA for what they call an offensive race related
argument in a case called Johnson versus NC DOUBLEA, which.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Compared college athletes. Listen to what I'm about to say. Yeah,
they compared college.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Athletes to fellow students employed in work studies style programs.
The NCAA argues that college athletes should not be treated
with the same employee rights and protections as student ticket takers,
student seating attendance, and student food concessions workers at NC
double A contests. Instead of the NC double A relied
upon a legal pressudent comparing college athletes to un paid

(01:00:00):
prison labor under the Thirteenth Amendments slavery exception. Attorney Paul
McDonald jonas right now, Paul glad that he had me on
the show. I'm sorry they used the slavery exception in
the thirteenth Amendment. So are they saying that athletes are
slaves or are inmates?

Speaker 21 (01:00:23):
Well, you know, for Allington's and the purposes there, I
think it's instructive to read exactly what the third Circuit said,
and this third second Circuit said, we disagree with the
comparison of college athletes to prisoners and refused to equate
a prisoners and voluntary service to as authorized by the
thirteenth Amendment to the long standing tradition of amateurism and

(01:00:43):
college athletics. So that's exactly what the Third Circuit said
about it. So they knew exactly what the NCAA was
trying to do. They were using a case called van
Skykee v. Peters and Skycke v. Peters. I'm sorry if
you lost me there for a second. You have federal prisoners.

(01:01:03):
Now we got to go ahead, all right. They had
federal prisoners who said that under the FLSA, the FI
Liverer Standards Act, that they should have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Employee rights, you know, minimum aight, so on and so forth.

Speaker 21 (01:01:15):
But accord in that case Van Scott could be, Peter said,
because the slavery exception, because as part of your conviction,
as far as your sentence, you can be made to
do a voluntary servitude, then you can't be an employee.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
And the NCAAA for.

Speaker 21 (01:01:28):
Ten years has been using that case Van Scott GiB
Peters to say that athletes should not have employee rights
like the kids selling popcorn at their games.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Well, first of all, for people who don't even realize
the phrase student athlete wasn't done, wasn't created out of
you know, care for the student. That was actually created
by an NCAA lawyer to protect them in a lawsuit.
So they've always wanted to take advantage of the free

(01:02:05):
labor of athletes and how everyone else gets paid except
the athlete. So they've actually treated people as if they
were frankly slaves under the thirteenth Amendment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Right.

Speaker 21 (01:02:21):
Student athlete was a term that came about to avoid
having to deal with worker compensation. You know, back in
the day before you had some of the safety equipment
that you now have, you had more, even more injuries
and even more deaths than you have currently, and so
there was an issue of workers compensation that came up,
and so the whole term was created to try to
suggest that the athletes were something other than employees.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
But again the thing that people have to remember, there
are student employees.

Speaker 21 (01:02:45):
There have been student employees on college campuses for more
than fifty years in work studies style programs. So whether
you're talking about someone who's checking IDs in the library,
someone who is washing dishes in the dining hall, selling
you things at the bookstore, or again, selling popcorn at
the games, all student employees and all that are case.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Our case is called Johnson v. NCAA.

Speaker 21 (01:03:06):
All we're saying is that athletes deserve to have at
least the same limited student employee status as those fellow students.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
That's it.

Speaker 21 (01:03:15):
And the NCAA's opposition again is they know, I mean,
they know better, but the only way they can try
to get beyond having the legal test applied is to
make this defensive, incredibly offensive argument, especially when you consider
how many brothers and sisters are are responsible, you know,
for much of what happens in the revenue, the largest

(01:03:36):
revenue generals crediting sports.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Right, we're about to go to March Madness.

Speaker 21 (01:03:39):
You know a large number of the stars we're going
to be watching during the tournament our brothers and sisters.
And they have the audacity to make this argument comparing
athletes to prison labor on the slavery section.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Again, that's not an allegation.

Speaker 21 (01:03:53):
That's what the Third Circuit said in its opinion in
our case. Last Well, it's interesting you say that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I mean, look, I graduated from Texas and the university,
and I actually worked for two years for the Texas
A and m Athletic department in his video lab, I
was paid as I was a student, and I was
paid working that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
So the football players in the basketball players.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
And all the other athletes in athletic department, they didn't
get paid, but I actually got paid for the work
that I did as a student. So those things actually happened.
But also people just also need to understand that. Listen,
the NC double A has been desperately they look, they've
been ripping folks off. And this isn't just opinion. Who

(01:04:45):
actually said that. The guy who used to run the
NC double A, Walter Byers, he wrote a book. He
was he was the longest serving EXECUTI director and he
wrote a book lay out how the NC double A
has been mistreated athletes since it's inception.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, you know, and it's what's interesting today is so
now what they're trying to do.

Speaker 21 (01:05:09):
They're trying to go to Congress and get the Congress
to give them some type of an exemption, well a
couple of exemptions that are the one that's really relevant
to our case. They're trying to get an exemption to
say that athletes can't be employees.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Again.

Speaker 21 (01:05:22):
You know, they know full well that there are student employees,
So that exemption they're trying to get from Congress Frankly
Violei's evil protection class because you can't have two sets
students who essentially are at the same Arguably, athletes meet
the criteria much more than the kids selling populart of
their games.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Right, there's more control.

Speaker 21 (01:05:38):
I mean, I think people sometimes forget athletes are the
most controlled students on any college campus. And another way
of looking at it, consider this, an athlete has to
schedule his or her classes around practice times, right, whereas
if you're in work study, your supervisor is required to
schedule your work are your class choices?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Is the different situation.

Speaker 21 (01:06:01):
This work state student still gets academic benefits from the university.
The athlete has academic burdens. Okay, So the athletes clearly
meet the standard more and so if you're going to
try to single them out in legislation and to say
they shouldn't have these same rights, you have the protection problem.
But the NCAA is trying to do that. They're also

(01:06:21):
trying to get an anti trust exemption, which makes no sense.
I mean, if anti trust exemptions made sense, then big tech,
big farmer, big.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Oil would happen. You know.

Speaker 21 (01:06:28):
Instead, what they ought to do is acknowledge that these
athletes are student employees and collectively bargaining with them, just
like anyone does in any other sport in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
But they refuse to do that we so far.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
That's because they are trying to protect that huge cash
cow so they can keep making the huge, huge salaries.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I'm glad you brought that up because one of the
things they always say as to why these somehow can't
give the.

Speaker 21 (01:06:59):
Athletes leads or recognize athletes should have the same rights
as the students telling popcorn at the games, or Tom
or someone like yourself who worked in Napolick department. They
try to say, oh, we can't afford afford it. Now,
besides the fact they can't afford it is not a
legal you know, a legal defense.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
It also happens to be untrue, you know.

Speaker 21 (01:07:17):
They Right now we have you know, people talking about
populism and politics, and people have different definitions of what
that means, right, But at his core, I look at
it from in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Terms of how to applied here or should be applied here.
You have coaches that are being overpaid, You.

Speaker 21 (01:07:33):
Have extravagant expres expenditures on facilities you don't need, and
you know, and then of course the NCAAA Division one,
by their own reporting in physically you're twenty twenty twenty two,
made seventeen point five billion dollars billion with the BAT second.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Only to the NFL, more than the NBA, more than
the Major League Baseball.

Speaker 21 (01:07:55):
And so they have the audacity to come in front
of Congress and say, oh, we needs you to bail
us out because we can't afford to have these athletes
making you know, fifteen dollars an hour like their friends
down the hall from in the dormitory, because it's going
to bankrupt us. Now, all you have to do is
reallocate some of the money you've been giving to all

(01:08:16):
the adults, realocate some of the money you've been spending
on laser tag and other things that aren't unecessary in
the athletic department. And then to the extent that you
have smaller schools after they've done all of that subsidizing,
just like the NBA does the WNBA, or you have
luxury taxes in some pro sports, and that takes care
of the problem. You can do all of this budget
neutral no cost. But they to your point, they don't

(01:08:37):
want to give up the big money they've made. Because
I'm old enough, and I think you and I are
probably comparable in age. I'm old enough to remember when
college coaches didn't make all this money. You know, now
you talked about what Kirby Smart making thirteen million at Georgia.
If you cut his salary, you know, fifteen percent, you
can afford to pay almost every athlete on that campus
a fair wage that then would not reach quar their

(01:09:00):
parents to send them your money on the weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
And the one last thing I'll say about is so
people understand this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
What I'm talking about is not.

Speaker 21 (01:09:06):
That the athletes would only be paid hourly wage. We're
talking about base salary for everybody. If you still have
individual popularity, you would get nil on top.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Of base salary.

Speaker 21 (01:09:16):
If you have if you're in a sport that generates
a large amount of revenue, you get revenue sharing going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
So it's not an either or proposition, it is an
and and also.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Now indeed, in Dave Paul, well shortly appreciate you joining us,
thank us so very much, and keep us abreast of
what happens in this case.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, Thank you and good luck to everyone with your brackets.

Speaker 21 (01:09:37):
And just remember as you're watching these games, you know
that that obviously are going to captivate us for the
next three or four weeks, I guess.

Speaker 16 (01:09:45):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:09:45):
Just remember that they literally went there and said that
the athletes are comparable to prisonly run the thirty to
the minutes later exception.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
They did that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Thanks.

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Today in DC, thousands of veterans took to the streets,
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Now today, in the United States Senate eleven Democrats joining
Republicans in advancing the continuing Resolution that would keep the
government from shutting down. Senator Chuck Schumer just forty eight
hours ago claimed that, oh, Democrats were not going to
vote for the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Well, then they came forward.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
These are the Democrats who actually stood with Republicans in
voting for this. This, of course, has angered Democrats all
across the country and people that have been coming after
Senator Chuck Schumer because he did not hold the line
of House Democratic Leader haw Kim Jeffres made it perfectly
clear the House Democrats were not happy at all with

(01:16:08):
what took place by Democrats in the Senate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Listen.

Speaker 26 (01:16:11):
House Democrats remain strongly opposed to the partisan Republican spending
bill that will hurt families, hurt veterans, hurt seniors, and
hurt the American people. It is a false choice that
Donald Trump, Elon Musk and House Republicans have been presenting

(01:16:36):
between their reckless and partisan spending bill and the government
shut down.

Speaker 20 (01:16:43):
Why are we here right now in terms of the
moment that is in front of US.

Speaker 26 (01:16:55):
Because Donald Trump and House Republicans decided to walk away
from the negotiating table when there were bipartisan conversations ongoing
between House Democrats, House Republicans, Senate Democrats, and Senate Republicans
in a manner consistent with the bipartisan Fiscal Responsibility Act

(01:17:20):
that was passed in May of twenty twenty three. Donald
Trump ordered House Republicans to walk away from the negotiating table.

Speaker 20 (01:17:31):
At the end of February.

Speaker 26 (01:17:34):
House Republicans then passed a partisan and reckless bill that
cuts funding for health care, cuts funding for veterans, and
cuts funding for nutritional assistance to children and families. It's
an unacceptable, unconscionable, and Unamerican spending bill. That's why House

(01:17:57):
Democrats remain strongly opposed. Donald Trump orders them to walk
away from the negotiating table. Step one, Step two, House
Republicans pass a partisan and reckless spending bill, and then

(01:18:18):
step three, House Republicans get out of town.

Speaker 20 (01:18:23):
Where are they at right now? House Democrats are here.

Speaker 26 (01:18:28):
We're ready to pass a four week spending bill that
keeps the government open and will allow the House and
the Senate to negotiate in actual agreement that meets.

Speaker 20 (01:18:44):
The needs of the American people. But we do not support.

Speaker 26 (01:18:51):
A bill that is designed to hurt the American people
that Donald Trump and far right extremist Republicans are trying
to jam down.

Speaker 20 (01:19:01):
The throats of everyday Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
It is being quite contentious again with what's been happening
with this decision by these Democrats to vote for the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
A lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Actually calling for Democrats to replace Chuck Schumer as the
Senate Minority leader. Schumer and other Democrats say they were
not going to allow the government.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
To shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
They said it could be a lot easier for Trump
and must to cherry pick what federal employees to bring back.
But there are others like Senat Cory Booker, who said
point blank that this is giving more power to Trump
and Elon Musk even had Senator Ralphael Warnock said he
wouldn't be surprised if there's a new Senate leader for

(01:19:50):
the Democrats in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
But I want to start with you again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
A lot of people are ticked off, they are hot,
they're upset at Chuck Schumer, saying.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
That he caved he didn't fight, he gave up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
And then, of course you're one of your home state senators,
Gary Peters, who is not even.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Running for reelection, he voted for this as well.

Speaker 8 (01:20:14):
Yeah, Gary PETERSH and I have voted for it.

Speaker 13 (01:20:18):
Chuck Schumer definitely caved because on Wednesday he said he
was arguing strongly against the bill, strongly against Kloture, strongly
against stopping debate, and he was proposing the thirty day
continuing resolution. Okay, the thirty day the thirty day bill,

(01:20:38):
so they can continue to negotiate.

Speaker 8 (01:20:41):
It's important. So this is wrong on so many levels.

Speaker 13 (01:20:45):
Number One, House Minority Leader King Jeffers is absolutely correct.
Donald Trump told House Republicans to stop negotiating with House Democrats.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:20:57):
So House Democrats were totally pushed off this process, and
that's why two hundred and thirteen of them voted against
this in the House.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:21:09):
And this is what they were saying, this is what
alexandri Casio QUOTEZ was talking about last night on Jake
Tapper Show on CNN. So and then in the Senate,
there's a disconnect, and you're going to see this, You're
going to see this really explode. There's a disconnect in
the thought process of many Democratic senators as opposed to

(01:21:35):
those in the House.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:21:36):
I understand the rules are different, but last night on
the Last Word on MSNBC, Senator Jeff Murkley from Oregon
and Senator Tina Smith from Minnesota were on, and Senator
Jeff Murkley was saying, the only leverage that they really
have is leveraging the Senate, not the House, and it's
the sixty vote threshold the filibuster.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
He said, if you.

Speaker 13 (01:21:59):
Give that up, then just giving more power to a
tyrant I'm paraphrasing giving more power to power to a
bully does not help you. They're going they're going to
keep punking you, They're going to keep mistreating you. And
this is exactly what's taking place. So I think they
need a new leadership. Cinemonority leader Uh Schumer needs to

(01:22:23):
be out. And also CNN reported that you have some
Democrats that are privately UH saying that Alexandro Akazio Cortez
should primary Sendor Chuck Schumer as well in twenty twenty six.
I think she should as well.

Speaker 8 (01:22:38):
He's not built for this, He's not built for this fight. Here,
this this is a weak, punk ass move. This is
bitch ass neest, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
What this means?

Speaker 11 (01:22:48):
What what?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
What? What? What do you make of what you're seeing
in DC?

Speaker 12 (01:22:52):
Derek, you know, I've been disturbed rolling since the ten
Demo Crafts voted to censor brother Al Green. I've been
disgusted with some of the Democrats up in Washington, d C.
In fact, those of us here in Georgia started making

(01:23:15):
phone calls and saying it out loud with our full
chest that we need them to stand up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
We cannot see the.

Speaker 12 (01:23:24):
Tools of leverage that are available because when you do
that and listen, Roland, I mean I've seen it on
your show, case by case, when you look at who
Donald Trump is, we don't need no other evidence, no
more empirical data to say that he's going to do

(01:23:46):
exactly what you anticipate for him to do. And so
if they were Chuck Schumer said, well, if we allow
for the government to collapse, they're going to blame the Democrats.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
They're gonna do that, Roland. And so what we gotta
do is come up with a new playbook.

Speaker 12 (01:24:05):
We gotta since Republicans are not showing up in their
town hall meetings, then we as Democrats need to show
up in their town hall meetings and we need to
explain to those Republican voters.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
And say that's what y'all voted for. First of all,
but number two, this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 12 (01:24:23):
And we don't need you to get amnesia come next year,
because the bottom line is everybody's going to be negatively impacted.
This guy is going after Social Security, he's going after Medicaid,
he's going after Medicare, he's going after those third rails.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
That we typically just did not touch.

Speaker 12 (01:24:40):
But by Chuck Schumer making a move that he did,
and them other Democrats in the Senate that voted along
with him, then they need to understand that they're gonna
be blamed for this because they're going to say, well,
the Democrats believed in our philosophy. They voted with us,
and so they understood that we're going to impact Social Security,
understood that will impact Medicaid and Medicare, and we all

(01:25:03):
know the devastation that's going to occur.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
When you do that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
I never understood the thought process is, Matt, they're gonna
blame you anyway, So you fight for as much as
you can get and you don't give up, especially when
you have the power to filibuster.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
That's right exactly, Yeah, you stay in ten toes down.
I think Michael said it beautifully. I don't need to
repeat it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
We know what this is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
This is this is fear, and this is people being
bitch made for lack of a better term. But what
what I don't understand as well is if you're thinking
to the midterms, and if you're thinking right now that
a lot of people, a lot of Democrats are really
frustrated and feel like the Democrats just look weak, why
would you take another opportunity to show how weak you
are when you can push it and you cannot see

(01:25:49):
the control. As Derek you said, I don't understand or
see the leverage. Because here's the thing that we see
Republicans do one hundred percent of the time exercise whatever
point of leverage that they have with no remorse. Why
you would not do that here?

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I don't understand, folks say to tell you how crazy
these Trump people are, more than fifty universities are currently
being investigated for alleged racial discrimination as part of their
initiative to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion programs.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
They really are anti black.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
The Education Department announced these new investigations on Friday, about
a month after issuing a memo warning schools and colleges
across the country that they could lose federal funding due
to race based prefaces in admissions, scholarships, or other aspects
of student life. Education Secretary of Lending At McMahon stated
that students should be evaluated based on their merit and accomplishments,

(01:26:38):
not by their skin color.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
We will not yield on this commitment. Most of the
new inquiries are centered on colleges partnerships with the PhD Project,
a nonprofit organization that assists students from underrepresented groups in
obtaining degrees. I don't see why that's a big deal,
but this is what you have from these idiots. Speaking
of money for colleges and universities, many schools have announced layoffs,

(01:27:03):
hiring freeze. It's because of these dumbasses their threats to
cut federal contracts and research grants. Thursday, Johns Hopkins Universities
it is eliminated more than twenty two hundred workers because
they lost about eight hundred million.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Dollars in federal funding.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Some employees are in Baltimore, but most work in forty
four other countries to support the universities Bloomberg School of
Public Health, it's medical school, and an affiliated nonprofit organization.
Last month, Trump and his fellow idiots announced deep cuts
the National Institutes of Health grants for research institutions. This
shift could reduce the money going to some universities by

(01:27:38):
more than one hundred million, actually by more than several
billion dollars. Some schools already have shell projects because of
the cuts, which have been delayed temporary by a court challenge.
Now let's go back to keep telling y'all how anti.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Black these people are.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
They literally are doing some shameful disp things at Arlington Cemetery. Okay,
let me say this again. We're talking about Arlington Cemetery. Yeah,
what they're doing is Black, Hispanic and female service members
are being erased from the history. For generations, Arlington Cemetery

(01:28:18):
has stood as the final resting place for more than
four hundred thousand American heroes, a sacred space honoring those
who gave everything for the country.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
But now the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Cemetery's website has quietly removed key information list of notable
black and Hispanic service members lesson plans about their contributions,
and even maps marking their grave sites. Officials say this
was done under the orders from Trump and Defense Secretary
Peter Hegseth, part of a broader push to strip race
and gender related history from military records. Some of these

(01:28:51):
erased names belong to Medal of Honor recipients, Men who
were denied recognition in their time because of racism owned
to be honored decades later, and now their stories are
vanishing once again. This black erasure, this is what's release
is all about, Matt. It's black erasure. They're trying to
get rid of the environmental justice departments and the EPA.

(01:29:13):
They're trying to get rid of these things in the
Department Education. They want black erasure all throughout the federal government.
This is an absolute, all out attack on blackness.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
And I keep saying it. Where are these Negro Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Senator Tim Scott Quiet, Congressman Byron Donald's, Congressman Wesley Hunt,
Congressman Burgess Owens.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
They're all real, Wyatt.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Yeah, and they kissed every part of that orange, but
don't have any positions in the administration.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
So you know clearly that didn't work out.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
For them on the personal level, which is all that
governs most of those people's actions. But this is You're
exactly right, This is about black erasure. And what this
is is about black erasure coded as a meritory a
meritocracy argument. Because you noticed Linda McMahon didn't say a
single word about legacy admissions, right, they didn't say a

(01:30:13):
single word about that. It's about anything that looks like
a black person is getting a leg up that some
white person is not getting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
We're seeing that everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
And one of the things I thought was pretty just
weak is all of these people who kind of prophylactically
have said, well, we know Trump's coming for us, so
we're gonna go ahead and start changing our DEI or
changing how we approach things. But you know, even with
the Air Force Academy, or not the Academy, but the
Air Force training in San Antonio, they weren't gonna teach
people about the Tuskegee Airmen because they're afraid that they're

(01:30:43):
gonna get in trouble from the Trump administration. I mean,
we've reached the level of absurdity that is just unfathomable.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
But I'm glad you called it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
What it is because what we see is a lot
of dog whistling, but we know that the truth is
that it's about black erasure, and it's about making black
less than in all metrics, I all metrics and in
all contexts, because what they keep saying is merit, merit, merit,
but they're making you know, non meritorious synonymous with black
for the exact point of that black erasure. So I

(01:31:13):
think you're exactly right, and none of this is surprising
because we're seeing it across the federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
That is all anti black Derek, pure and simple, and
that's what they keep attacking. And they don't want folk
to know history. That's what this is what they want.
This is what they desire, and it's real clear.

Speaker 12 (01:31:39):
And it's real clear, but it's also sad to a
level degree. This hits me personally, Roland. As you know,
I'm gonna retire naval losser and my first wife that
served as well for twenty seven years is buried in Arlington.
She gave her life for twenty seven years. Okay, And

(01:31:59):
so when you think about this erasure, you you can't
delete the contribution in the history of black Americans, right,
But this other sad part to this, this has precipitated
down to the state levels. We have a bill right
now that we're fighting in Georgia where it says get

(01:32:19):
this rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
It says we.

Speaker 12 (01:32:21):
Remove slavery, lynching, all that stuff from the curriculum from
K through twelve. But then there's this and it says
a contributions. So now you don't even want the mentions
of Madam C. J. Walker contributions, Idi b Wells contribution,
third Goode Marshall contributions. So it's one thing to try

(01:32:42):
to eradicate the hatred and the pain of the past,
but you also don't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Want to include the contributions.

Speaker 12 (01:32:51):
So what will we look like ten to fifteen years
from now, What we even have mentioned of doctor Martin
Luther King and Curtis dot King, or will we even
have mentioned of the Tuskegee Airmen in the curriculum. And
so that's the reason why we got to reject this,
and we got to fight back because the future is
not only counting on us rolland but we also got

(01:33:13):
to deal with this in the present because as much
white washing they want to do, they can't because that
which is cemented is our history. Because black history is
America's history.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Well what they want it, Michael, is they want whiteness
to rule, pure and simple. That's what it boils down to.
There's no other way to explain this.

Speaker 13 (01:33:40):
Yeah, it's white nationalism, white Christian nationalism. This is all
laid out in Project twenty twenty five. When you read
Project twenty twenty five, you don't have to read all
nine hundred and twenty two pages, just read one chapter.
The attack on diversity, equity and inclusion is all throughout
Project twenty twenty five. DEI And for all you dumb
ass is out there, they keep saying black people only

(01:34:02):
got four percent of the DAI jobs.

Speaker 8 (01:34:04):
You have no fucking clue about what's taking place. Okay,
this is about This is a total backlash.

Speaker 13 (01:34:12):
To the racial reckoning that took place in this country
after the death of George Floyd. That's why they're going back,
eradicating all the progress made not just the last four years,
but also going back to the nineteen sixties. This is
why on day one or two, Donald Trump rescinded Executive
Order eleven two four six, which is affirmative action. As

(01:34:32):
racist as Ronald Reagan was.

Speaker 8 (01:34:33):
He didn't even do that.

Speaker 13 (01:34:35):
So when you look at the attack on the Department
of Education, Linda McMahon said that Donald Trump's mandate is
to shut down the Department of Education. Well, the Department
of Education was created by Congress in nineteen seventy nine,
signing the law by President Jimmy Carter, and one of
the things that it was doing was enforcing the civil

(01:34:57):
rights of students, and it was going after the segregation
academies that developed after Brown versus Board of Education, and
it was really picking up the fight that the IRS
was doing as well. This is one of the reasons
why the right wing are attacking the IRS. You got
to go back and study this history. And the religious

(01:35:17):
right movement was formed right around nineteen seventy nine by
Paul Wayrick, who co founded the Heritage Foundation, and Jerry Farwell.
And what they did was they redirected all the anger
that white Southerners had when it came to fighting against
desegregation of the schools. They redirected that into the anti
abortion movement. This is how all this stuff comes together.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
So this is real.

Speaker 13 (01:35:43):
This is what we warn people about. And lastly, the
Associated Press has this piece. The first thing that you
talked about about the images being removed. This twenty six
thousand images that the Pentagon is removing. It's a purse
taking place war heroes and military First among twenty six
thousand image is flag for removal in Pittecon's Dee I purge.

(01:36:03):
This they're playing for keeps. This is white nationalistm So
we gotta we gotta figure out. Okay, So what are
we gonna do. We're gonna fight back or we gonna
be pumps. This is this is the time to put
up with shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
This is yep.

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Parents of a black girl who was violently attacked by
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(01:40:25):
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the case has been forwarded the San Bernardino County District
Attorney's Office for further review folks tonight's a former Texas
megachurch pastor, once a powerful figure in even leal circles,
is facing criminal charges. In fact, and arrest Warren has
been issued for Robert Morris, the founder of Gateway Church.

(01:41:07):
He's been indicted in Oklahoma on five counts of child's
sexual abuse. The charges date back to the nineteen eighties,
when Morris, then a traveling preacher, was accused of of
sexually abusing a twelve year old girl over a span
of four years. Sidney Klemashire, the woman who came forward
with these allegations, says she's waited more than forty years
for this moment, and now she's calling for justice.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Mowris resigned from.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Gateway Church last year after these allegations surface. His ties
to politics, especially his involvement with Donald Trump as well
as a lot of Republicans in Texas, has made him
a prominent figure in conservative Christian circles. He for a
long time was a Trump spiritual advisor. Now, instead of
leading a congregation, he can be facing up to twenty

(01:41:52):
years in prison for each charge. Right now, Morris is
not in custody, but again that Warren has already been issued. Boy,
isn't it amazing, Matt how so many of these folks
on the right have significant history with sexual molestation of
young folks.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
I don't even know what to say, man, I don't
know what to say beyond I'm glad that this victim
is seeking justice and that the law allows her to
do that, and that he's being held accountable if it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
Now, obviously I don't have any of the evidence, but
I'll say.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
Yeah, there are a lot of allegations, and these are
not the kind of allegations that frankly people don't think
where there's smoke, there's fire. We need to have due process.
But five counts he was indicted. He was taken to
a grand jury. That means they found probable cause. We
know it's easy for a grand jury to indict somebody,
but for them to indict on a forty year old

(01:42:54):
allegation means that they thought there was enough evidence there
to credibly send out it indictment. So I think that's
damning in and of itself, because in the modern era,
there's a lot more evidence generally in a case like this,
or at least circumstantial evidence. But for them to have
a forty year old accusation. That means they must have
thought there was something there. So I'm interested in seeing

(01:43:16):
how this plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Well, wait a bit, Look, Matt, he's actually admitted to this.
The first of all, he's sixty three years old. This
happened forty three years ago. He stayed with the family,
This took place over a period over a four years. Michael,
he actually has he admitted to I forgot how he

(01:43:43):
framed it, but he didn't quite frame it as yeah,
you know, I raped a twelve year old, or I
sexually a message bless the twelve year old.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
But he's on record admitting something happened.

Speaker 13 (01:43:59):
Yeah, you know, this was supposed to be the Party
of Family Values and the you know, Republican party. When
when you listen to a lot of them, and it's
important to really really understand them, they weaponized this white

(01:44:19):
Christian nationalism. Okay, they weaponized this right Christian nationalism. And
a lot of this comes out of the whole religious
right movement that I that I just talked about. And
in that whole religious right movement was a white supremist movement, okay. Uh,
and then within white supremacy you have sexual abuse also,

(01:44:41):
So this is disturbing but but not surprising when you
when you understand the history of these people that you're
dealing with, and then when you look at uh, their
their president of the United States that's had three wives,
cheated on all of them, and then was found liable
for sexual abuse.

Speaker 15 (01:44:59):
I mean, what do you expect?

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
So so check this out, Derek. He sent a statement.
He resigned last year as senior pastor of Gateway. He
sent a statement to The Christian Post where he admitted
engaging in quote inappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady
in a home where.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
I was staying.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
He said it was kissing and petting and not intercourse,
but it was wrong. Three days after dropping that statement,
he resigned as senior pastor, and the church's board of
elders said they had not been aware of the girl's
age or the length of the actual abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
But Sidney Klemenshawer's like, now y'all knew about.

Speaker 12 (01:45:44):
It, you know, Roland, You know, I agree with Matt
and Michael's analysis, But here's the reality, Roland.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
It's going to be a very public.

Speaker 12 (01:46:01):
Situation where we're going to see the individual that's occupying
the oval office that gave fifteen hundred pardons, just a
blanket pardon. You're going to see an individual that's going
to say publicly through a tweet to the Attorney General
of the DOJ, make this go away, much like how

(01:46:26):
he did the Civil Rights Division and the DOJ. He
going to tell puts tail, you don't need to waste
any FBI resources to investigate it. Hey, he already admitted it.
He already confessed, So let's just go ahead and give
him a pardon. And unfortunately this family did victy well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
But here's the problem. But Derek, Derek, here's the problem. Derek.
He can't give him apartner because he's the state charges.
They're not federal charges. They can't partner them.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Oh okay, I missed that part.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
He's the state chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
No, the state, the state of okalho No, the uniton
Tourney's office didn't know. The State of Oklahoma has actually
indicted him. And again in the church, elders at Gateway
said that they're understanding that he's when he said he
had an inappropriate relationship with a young lady, that they
thought that that was marital fidelity with.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
A grown woman.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
They didn't realize the girl was twelve and it lasted
four years. So yeah, Trump can't do jat the just
state charges.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Right right, right? So I missed that part. But Roland,
I am in the state where the Orange Dude have
state charges.

Speaker 12 (01:47:43):
And so even though these are I understand and thinking
for adding that clarity, I just that's the sad part here,
that the victim should see justice even though this was
twenty years ago. They should still see justice. But I
just do not have, yep, faith and confidence in the

(01:48:08):
outcome where it should be. This guy goes to jail
for the crime he committed twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Ago, Well, well, I say, throw his maga punk ass
under the jail, folks, our last story.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Just three months, just three months into the two twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Twenty five, US has already should pass last year's total
MEASO cases in Texico, New Mexico, Oklahoma at the center
of this outbreak, with nearly three hundred confirmed cases, and
experts say that number is much likely to go higher.
Let's be real, many of us grew up knowing mesos
as something from the past or disease our parents or
grandparents dealt with. In two thousand, the US officially declared

(01:48:43):
measos eliminated, but here we are in twenty twenty five
because all these dumb ass anti vaxxers don't want to
get their kids vaccinated, and meass is highly contagious, spreading
through the air where someone costs THEESUS.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Or even just breeze. While the vaccine has been keeping
it in check for decades, gaps.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
And coverage are allowing it to resurface again because of
these anti vaxxers. You've already seen two unvaccinated people died
for measles this year, one in Texas in another case
of investigation in Washington State. This is all again because
of these idiot anti vaxxers.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
They have been.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
They've been attacking vaccines when it comes to autism, when
it comes to COVID, and now we're seeing measles roar back.
And it doesn't help when you got a dumbass like
Robert Kennedy Jr. Who doesn't believe in vaccines and the
Secretary of Health in human service history.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
You know, Roland I watched this interview live and RFK Junior.

Speaker 12 (01:49:40):
Said, well, once you just eat some French fries, and
so I'm just just appalling that someone is responding that
the head of hh AS says eat some French fries.
But I went to the CDC website Roland, and it
says the resurgence of measles in the United States and

(01:50:01):
is a public health crisis that requires swift and coordinated action.
Vaccination is our most effective too in preventing the spread
of this highly contagious disease. Unfortunately, Roland, CDC cannot send
information out to the public. It's incredulous that we are

(01:50:23):
dealing with administration and we're dealing with a crisis that
now we're going to have a self inflicted pandemic, epidemic,
whatever how you want to see this, And that's the
sad part. We must launch a comprehensive vaccination plan to
deal with this measles situation, because we all know, Roland

(01:50:46):
that measles killed and especially kills children.

Speaker 16 (01:50:54):
Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
I know this started out in West Texas among the
men and I population, and I haven't heard much conversation
about the religious overtones or religious freedom or whether that's
even being really contended by that population. But it's really
just abhorrent that in the modern era, with modern science,
with the understanding of the benefits of vaccinations on the

(01:51:19):
whole that there are such a large squath of people
in that community I guess outside Lubbock who have elected
not to be you know, vaccinated, and frankly, especially in
a state the size of Texas, I know, within a
week of me hearing about it out in Lubbock, it
had made it to my hometown Austin, which you know
is seven hours down the road. I mean, it's a
vast distance and it jumps quickly. So it's a sad

(01:51:41):
thing that we're seeing. And I do not trust rfk's
leadership with HHS.

Speaker 15 (01:51:47):
And you know what he's he's gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
But God willing this this finds a quick end.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
But it's a sad thing, especially as people are beginning
to die with something that we know is completely preventable
and had been at you know, negligible levels for decades.

Speaker 13 (01:52:04):
Michael, Yeah, you know, this reminds me of Trump's mishandling
of the coronavirus in his first administration and a lot
of the anti vaccine people, the propaganda things of this nature,
uh that took place in if you can get Malcolm

(01:52:25):
Nance on the show Roland, because Malcolm some years ago
talked about how a lot of the anti vaccine information
is coming from other countries that that are adversaries of
the US, and it's it's it's a it's a tool
to weaken you from the inside.

Speaker 20 (01:52:42):
Also.

Speaker 13 (01:52:43):
Okay, so now you have RFK Jr. Who we know
has a history of being against vaccines. You have him
as the director of HHS. You have the Center for
Disease Control. They fired hundreds of people, then they had
to hire them back. Uh, and then you and then
there's a restriction on them putting it out public health

(01:53:03):
information as well. All of that weekends America. Okay, so
you know we're gonna have to rely upon our state
health officials and also African American doctors to protect us
as much as we can from this nonsense out here.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
All right, gentlemen, I so appreciate it. Thank you so
very much for joining us on today's show. Michael, real quick,
you're speaking on the panel.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
Go ahead.

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Today. Today we ran several different things. Today we stream
the Atlanta funeral of Angie Stone. Earlier this week we
stream the funeral of ROBERTA.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
Flack.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
You can go to our blackstud Network app or go
to our YouTube channel to see that both of those.
Tomorrow we're streaming a couple of things tomorrow. One we
have the South Carolina funeral of Angie Stone. Matter of fact, guys,
if you I meant to show you this, if we
have the Tyler Perry eulogy, let me go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:56:34):
And do that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
So again.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Tomorrow is going to be the South Carolina funeral of
Angie Stone. We're also streaming the funeral from the Church
Without Walls in Houston of former Houston mayor and Congressans
Congressman Sylvester Turner. And I meant to play this here,
but so before we go kill the music, let's do
this here. Roll the Tyler Perry eulogy of Angie Stone. Man,

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did he speak some truth?

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Listen to this.

Speaker 11 (01:57:00):
To the family.

Speaker 16 (01:57:02):
Bishop Brona, thank you for having me here, Thank you
for allowing us to do this, to put her to
rest in fashion of the queen.

Speaker 11 (01:57:13):
That she was.

Speaker 6 (01:57:19):
To the family. I want you to know something, especially
her children.

Speaker 16 (01:57:23):
My mother died at sixty four, and Angie was a
year younger than my mother was when she passed. But
in her song she said in time gets a little better.
So my prayer for you is that time is kind
to you. Everybody who came up here talking about Angie,

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I didn't know her like a lot of other people
knew her. My experiences with her would be me going
to a show and talking to her. I remember one
time we were she was doing a show at the
Civic Center and I went to see the show. She
was telling me some things that were going on, and
she's like, would you come on stage when I sing Brother.
I was like, yeah, absolutely, so I'm there and she
singing the song, just singing her heart out and her soul.

(01:58:10):
Got a text from the video from Taraji Pens and
she was saying, let me tell you a story about Angie.
Then I started hearing all these stories about her. Taraji
said she was just dumb baby, boy, it wasn't really
super famous. And she heard that Angie was at a
club and she went to see her at the club
and Andrew didn't perform.

Speaker 6 (01:58:27):
But she came out and she was like, whoa, I'm
so sorry. I came to see you. And she's like,
that promoter ain't have my money.

Speaker 16 (01:58:34):
So I want to go down the street of those
promoters and record labels and people not paying folks. But anyway,

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she told Taraji said, she took her in the corner
and she sung a song for her in that club.

Speaker 6 (01:59:00):
That's the heart of a person.

Speaker 16 (01:59:02):
That's the soul of a person who cared about her fans,
who cared about getting paid. You know, I was being
interviewed by this woman once and she was telling me,
she said, Tyler, I just want to tell you, I
can always tell when they're gonna go left because their
interview starts to all these questions and then it's actually, you.

Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
Know the black women in your movies, do you portray them?

Speaker 25 (01:59:25):
It's such negativity and they're always going through something and
they're always and just a black woman. I asked her,
I said, you've been through something? She said, My life
is great. I have a great husband, my kids are great.
Everything's wonderful. I said, God bless you that you can
live a perfect life. That's wonderful. Then I turned to

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her and asked her, I said how old are you?
She said twenty five? I said, baby, keep living. But
I look at these young folks who are living these lives,
and they think that it's supposed to be the way
that it is on Instagram, and they're forgetting about the
people who have paved the way for them to be

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in that situation. They're forgetting about the women like Angie Stone,
who's been in the business all of these years. You're
gonna forget about what she did, all of the people
that she put on and helped. So you got to
go through something to write a song like twenty dollars
Because she says, what you know about being pope? She
don't say poor, she says pope. What you know about

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having to borrow from the neighbor next door? These are
her words. What you know about bumming rides, what you
know about having to swallow your pride? And this is
the part of the song that got to me, when
she said, what do you do when you're through? When
you're always helping people? And nobody is there for you.

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Y'all gotta forgive me because I'm angry way she was treated.
I did not know all the things that she was
going through. Recently I found out because I don't. I'm
not on Instagram. I'm not being hooked and manipulated by
an algorithm telling me what to think and how to feel,
so I don't see everything.

Speaker 6 (02:01:20):
But to think that this woman was in the business
for all of these years, and there's a.

Speaker 25 (02:01:24):
Difference between performing because you want to and performing because.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
You have to.

Speaker 25 (02:01:31):
All of those years, all of those songs, all of
that money that was owed to her, where is it?

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
It's wrong. It is wrong.

Speaker 25 (02:01:47):
And I'm tired of seeing a struggle and go through
things and work hard and not reap the benefits of
what we.

Speaker 6 (02:01:54):
Were supposed to reap.

Speaker 25 (02:01:58):
But you gotta be careful when you start mistreating people,
especially children of God, because the Bible says.

Speaker 6 (02:02:05):
Touch not my anointed, and do my profit no harm.

Speaker 25 (02:02:10):
And I'm gonna tell you something. This woman was a prophet.
She prophesied and preached her own eulogy.

Speaker 6 (02:02:16):
What am I talking about?

Speaker 25 (02:02:17):
In her song no More Rain in this Cloud, she says,
my sunshine has come.

Speaker 6 (02:02:22):
And I'm all crying out. There's no more rain in
this cloud.

Speaker 25 (02:02:26):
And many of you may not know this, but I'm
a pilot, and when you are a pilot, the first
thing you study is the weather.

Speaker 6 (02:02:32):
And I learned about clouds and what a cloud is
its particles, air and particles.

Speaker 25 (02:02:36):
And when the rain gets in that cloud and the
particles gets too heavy, it becomes to rain.

Speaker 6 (02:02:42):
It drops to the ground, it falls. It is just
like our souls.

Speaker 25 (02:02:46):
We hold so much in, we hold so much pain,
We hold so much that it has to come out
of our eyes as tears. But the beauty of what
she was talking about is when a cloud has no
more tears, it dissipates, it's gone.

Speaker 6 (02:03:07):
But if you listen to that song again, there's a
part that I want you to really really listen to.
She said, what goes around comes around, what goes up
must come down. The things you do come back to you.
And then she said, y'all believe that she was preaching.

Speaker 25 (02:03:28):
Y'all, I can take you to the word where regulations
it says, be not deceived.

Speaker 15 (02:03:34):
God is not mocked.

Speaker 6 (02:03:37):
That a man soweth, he shall also reap. This woman
sold good things to people She sold kindness to people,
She sold joy to people, She sold love and her
voice to people.

Speaker 25 (02:03:56):
So if you are like her and like me, who
get tired of helping people and watch them dog you out.
If you are like her and like me, I'm gonna
tell you this, don't stop doing good, don't stop being kind,
be not weary in your well doing, for in due

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season you will reap a harvest of blessings.

Speaker 6 (02:04:24):
God bless your family, God bless you. Angie. My heart,
my soul is with you. I'm so glad that there's
no more rain in your cloud.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
Again.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Folks, if you miss the Atlanta funeral service of Angie
Stone to simply go to our YouTube channel, YouTube dot
com Forge last Roland's Martin I go to a black
subd network at you can see it there. She's going
to be eulogized tomorrow in South Carolina, her home state,
will carry that live as well. In addition, as I said,

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the funeral of former Houston mayor, my offer brother, former
Congressman Sylvester Turner, will be tomorrow. The Church Without Walls
in Houston will be live streaming that as well. And
if you miss the funeral early this week, the moral
service for ROBERTA.

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Flack.

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