Dems challenge extremist MAGA agenda, South African Ambassador expelled, Mich. Lt. Gov. Gilchrist

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Today's Monday, Mark seventeen, twenty twenty five, coming up on
rolland Mark Unfilter streaming live of the Blackstar Network. Maryland
Congressman Glenn Ivy will join us to discuss the Democrat's
efforts to address the ongoing challenges created by the MAGA agenda,
especially with polling numbers show their numbers have fallen through
the floor. Also the Trump administration, they are expelling South

(00:31):
Africa's ambassador to the United States. The ambassador has until
Friday to leave the country. I'm mostly going to break
down why this is one of the most anti black
presidential administrations since the racist tenure of Woodrow Wilson. Michigan
voters can make history by electing the states' first black governor.
We'll talk with Lieutenant Governor Garland Gilcrest about his goobatorial campaign. Plus,

(00:55):
the Mayor of Tulsa, Oklahoma, signed an executive order on Sunday,
officially June first as Tulsa Race Massacre Observance Today. And
Plus I'll talk to political strategist and social impact leader
Alysia Johnson about her new book Flipped the Tables. Lots
of us to break down it is time to bring
the funk on rolling March unfiltered at the black Shutt Network.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:57):
Good question, No, he's rolling Monte.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Polling numbers show Democrats every twenty nine percent approval rating,
the lowest in modern history. Many are saying Democrats are
in a state of disarray. Fifty six days in the
twice impeach criminally convicted fellow in chief Donald the KHN
Trump administration.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
So the question is what do they do now?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Last week, of course, late Senator Chuck Schumer, the Senate
Minority Leader, of course left the effort along with ten
others to vote for Republicans continuing resolution. He is facing
massive calls by many to actually step down as Senate
Minority leader. Lots of is going on, and so let's
talk with Glenn Ivy. He is the Congressman from Maryland.

(02:52):
Glad to have you here, Congressman. It's a whole lot
going on. There's a belief that Democrats are all over
the place. I keep telling people you can't focus in
twenty twenty six, because hell you not even haven't e
been got to the summer of twenty twenty five. But
the reality is what the Republicans are doing is that
was that was their goal last just throw everything up

(03:15):
against the wall at one time, making it very hard
to respond to their efforts.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Well, I think there's been some good responses, especially in court.
I think most of those cases have gone our way
so far, although we're not out of the woods yet.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
We've got a lot more work to do.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
But the injunctions that have been put in place to
protect government employees or to block you know, the challenge
is to constitutional rights like birthrights, citizenship. So far those
have gone in the right direction. So hopefully that will
continue in Congress though, I think, you know, Friday was
a very disappointing day. You know, King Jeffries did a
great job on Tuesday of organizing House Democrats to vote

(03:56):
against the Trump's spending bill, which was a trojan horse
bill aimed at really undermining the authority of Congress to
make sure we know where money goes and prevent him
from sending money from blue states to red states. Unfortunately,
as you just pointed out, Senate leader, a Democratic leader anyway,
Chuck Schumer got ten other Democrats to go with him

(04:19):
and to vote with the Trump agenda. So that was
a shock, It was a disappointment. It was a missed opportunity.
And I think, you know, we're only going to get
a couple more shots to turn back the tide with
what Trump's doing, at least from Congress, and so we
need to make sure we get the next one right.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
You know, on that particular point there.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know, I'm constantly trying to explain to people that
you have to understand process, and that is y'all are
very very very very limited on the House side to
stop Republicans from moving forward. The rules of a House
are totally different than the rule of the Senate, and

(05:01):
the rules of the Senate. You can filibuster, you can
one person, you got the blue slip. One person can
hold up nominations. We've seen that beforehand. You don't have
the same type of a thing on the on the
House side. So frankly, people understanding. The most you can
do on the House, shide is yell, scream, holds the
whole news conferences. You know, in terms of do things

(05:25):
like that procedurally, you simply don't have the power to
do in the House like you can do in the Senate.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
So you know, a chem had led efforts by the Democrats,
you know, in the last two years to block some
of those efforts that the Republicans were making, and we
were successful with that because the Republicans splintered and so
they needed Democratic votes to get things passed. And that's
how we kept the government open and you know, raised
the debt ceiling and the like. This time around, though,

(05:57):
the House Republicans stayed unified. So even though we were unified,
so were the House Republicans. So that was a majority
rule is enough in the House. So that's how it
got through. But you know it came Jefferies, I would say,
I'm at the moment, but you know, clearly Schumer did
not in the Senate.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So then you have the folks who say, oh, well,
the antics of the Democrats, you know, they look like
children what they were doing. When it came to Trump's speech,
and to me, that's one of those things was Okay,
you're danned if you do dan, if you don't. And frankly,
I think that I had no issue with what Democrats
did with this Joint Session of Congress speech.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
We had the State of our Union.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I didn't care that trash speech he delivered. We had
Reverend Bishop William Barber delivering ours. And so so that's
the other thing is like, like people are demanding something
of House Democrats that doesn't exist. Senate is a whole
different deal. And I do believe obviously messaging is is

(07:00):
important as well. But to be and again, this is
not defending Democrats. It's just looking at this thing for
what it is. Until the pain impacts a larger group
of people, mostly white people, you're not going to then

(07:20):
see the response that you need. You can stand there
and yell, holler and scream and be upset. But if
the perception is that, well, that's liberals, that's progressives, that's
those Democrats. They don't care. What has to happen here.
Musk and Trump must continue what they're doing, and the
pain must then hit Red America, it must hit their voters.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
That is the.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Only way you're going to see things change. And what
happened when people started showing up to three or four
Republican town halls, they got scared, like, we ain't having
town halls again because they don't want to be yelled at,
because they don't want to have to face their constituents.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
Yeah. I think that's right.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
And it's important for House Democrats to make sure that
we're laying out to the American people and being clear
and explaining why things are going so badly for the
Republicans and the Trump administration and most importantly, how it's
hurting them. Like the cuts to Medicaid eight hundred and
eighty one billion dollars in cuts, as you pointed out,
that's gonna hit red America, that's gonna hit rural America.

(08:28):
And you know, they're gonna have hospitals shutting down in
the like they're gonna have grandma getting kicked off, you know,
her medical treatments because she can't afford to pay for
them herselves. And then you've got in this bill that
just passed, veterans being punished, and so you'll you'll have
the twenty three billion dollars cut from the pack deck

(08:48):
that was aimed at helping veterans who were injured during
the last wars based on their service. You're gonna have
many veterans fired in this, you know, purge. They're making
government employees, you know, because they're eighty thousand veterans who
are government employees right now and so and the impact
of firing these government employees is going to result in

(09:11):
poor service to people and dramatic impact things like terminating
clinical trials for pediatric cancer.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
You know.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
The irony was they had that young boy at the
State of the Union and they celebrated the fact that
he was a cancer survivor, but at the same time,
they're cutting off the research that helps to find other
cures for young boys like that in the same situation,
We've got to make sure we're pointing those things out
to the American public so they can see what's going on,

(09:40):
see the negative impacts, and turn the tide. And then
hopefully in twenty twenty six we will have done enough
to win back the House and then we'll have real
power again.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
As you're pointing out.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, and I just think that I do think it's
a very good idea. We see this with Governor Tim
Walls and others who are holding town halls in Republican areas,
you must take the fight to them. That's what actually
has to happen. And so I dare say for the
people who are whining and complaining, I say I've been

(10:11):
saying that that the beginning of this year, going through August,
it's really about education, enlightenment, and informing these are the
facts of what's going on. While that is happening, then
it's also mobilizing, organizing understanding that you can't tweet your

(10:32):
way out of this. You can't instagram, TikTok, snapchat, Facebook
your way out of this. It literally has to be
organizing and mobilizing. You've got a critical Supreme Court race
coming up in Wisconsin on April first. You've got Elon
Musk dumping millions of dollars in the Republican candidate Sarah
Crawford is the is the Democratic candidate. If she wins that,

(10:56):
then Democrats hold a five to two majority of the
Wisconsin Supreme Court. That means that you beat back partisan
Jerry Mander. You can make that illegal. You allow ballot
drop boxes to be reinstated, you have them, restore the
powers of the democratic governor Tony Evers and the Attorney
General and the Secretary of State. Now all of a sudden,
you focus on we're going to have Lieutenant Governor Garland

(11:16):
gilcrast from Michigan. Listen, you win there. You've got three
special elections coming up. Yes they're in red districts, but
you still have to be mobilizing and organizing in those
areas as well. You never know there could be an upset.
So I just think that bitchin and mona is one thing,
but actually organizing and mobilizing is what's required.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I think that's absolutely right. And part of you know,
the mobilization and organization processes making sure we're demonstrating to
the public the mistakes of the Trump administration's making, the
negative impact it's having on them and their families. Remember,
he campaigned on economics, He said he was going to
make their lives better, and Biden had heard him, and
here he is taking money out of their pockets with

(11:59):
these these misguided tariff policies and the like.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
So we've got to make sure we're clear on that.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
We've got to make sure we keep litigating and winning
in court because that's helping to block some of their efforts.
I think they're getting a little frustrated with the fact
that the courts are quote unquote getting in their way, because, yeah,
you got to follow the law even when you're president.
And also we've got to make sure we're organizing in
states and especially in congressional districts that are represented by

(12:27):
members in the Republican Party.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
But they just barely won.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
Some of them that are Republicans who won their districts
are in districts that Harris carried, so we should be
able to take those back, and we need to make
sure we do everything we can to position ourselves to
do exactly that.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, you've got about twenty or so Republicans or who
are you know, Look, they could have some issues and
they must be targeted. Folks must be going to those areas.
They must be talking to those voters. And also, for me,
it's about how do you look at numbers, how many
votes did the person win last time, and how many

(13:05):
votes the Democratic challenge are lose by, and then say
how many doors are we touching? How many people are
we touching. I mean, here's the deal. Even though in
those districts you're talking about, even though you may have
a Republican who represents them. It doesn't mean that you
can't actually have your own town halls in that particular district,

(13:26):
in that congressional district talking to those voters, educating them.
Because the reality is the right wing echo chamber pushes
out many of these lies. You have to combat these
lies with actual facts.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
And you know the other part we need to do
now that we didn't do very well in twenty twenty
four is we've got to get in these communication lines
that the Republicans use that we don't even know about,
or we didn't know about them in November. So people
who are listening to that we're only getting one side story.
A lot of times, they were getting lies and distortions
and half truth and they weren't hear anything on the

(14:05):
other side, so they were believing it. We've got to
make sure we get heard in those same communities too.
And uh So there's a really aggressive effort. You know,
leader at Keim Jeffries is spearheading this. Uh And we've
got a communications team that's new and in place that's
making a difference with this reaching out to folks like
you and other influencers and journalists on cable uh, and

(14:29):
you know, other podcasters and the like, to make sure
that they're every avenue we can take to get the
information out.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
That's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yep. Absolutely College with Glenn Ivey. We appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Thanks a lot, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
I want to I want to bring in my panel
right now. We're joined by at a'ma congo to being
a senior profacerial Lecture, School of inter National Service, American University.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
UH.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
He's also author of Lies About Black People, UH, doctor
Julian Malveaux, economist President Emerita Bennett College, author of Surviving
and Thriving through sixty five Facts in Black Economic History UH.
And Ben Dixon, pastor of Political commentator and author of
God Is Not a Republican, joining us out of Atlanta.
You know what I'm gonna start with you, Ben. Here's

(15:14):
this pretty dumb ass comment from somebody named ken be
in our YouTube chet. He goes bitching and the moaning
is what this show does with Trump every show. When
was the last time he wasn't mentioned on this show? Well,
you idiot can be you mentioned him because you mentioned
the things that he's doing. So when Trump's doj chose
to stop the lawsuit against the Petrick Chemical plant in

(15:36):
Louisiana in cancer alley that impacts black people. You kind
of got to mention them when you see them removing
the history of black veterans, even metal Congress Presidentium, you know,
you know, Medal of Valor, Medal of Honor winners, you
kind of got to mention them. You talk about Medicaid
cuts and the cuts from Elon must you kind of

(15:56):
got to mention them. So yeah, if the right mention
Biden and Harris every single day for four years, you
damn right. We are going to share with our audience
facts about the evil, shameful, despicable things that Donald Trump
and Elon Musk are doing.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Simple Simon can be.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
And Roland, I'm so glad glad that you mentioned that comment,
because it is a standardized tactic of MAGA to try
to get us to stand down from doing what we
know we need to do in this moment. Which is
why I'm so grateful for this show, because as I
heard you discussing this with the Congressman, I realize that
you all you see it very clearly, and what's so

(16:38):
difficult in this moment is to get people to wake
up and see what's actually happening. And that's why it's
so critical that we have voices like yours. The congress
person was speaking about how black congressional leaders should go
across and speak to other platforms. We have to get
a repetitive routine of stating the obvious that Donald Trump

(16:58):
is a complete and apt, abject failure. He is turning
into the slumlord president of a shitthole nation, and because
of his decisions, people are suffering. And so I'm so
grateful to know that people leaders, Tim Watson, so many
others are going across the country right now and going
on their turf, going into Magaland and making sure everyone

(17:19):
in maga Land realizes that they've been hoodwind.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well. I just get a kick out of people who
don't pay attention. Julian so this same idiot post, Yeah,
you mentioned that's right. I said, when was the last
time you ever talked about him? He drives your ratings?
Where's your plan? That means you're stupid. I literally just

(17:45):
talked about what needs to happen with Congress and Glynn
Ivy I every single day we talked about that. We
had a seven hour State of Our Union broadcast that
was one of the highest highest watch shows on the
YouTube out of all of the channels on YouTube on
that particular day. We're constantly talking about a plan. But again,

(18:07):
when you got dumb folks who don't pay attention and
don't listen, and all they want to do is complain.
Anybody who says that we have not talked about a
plan of action on this show, they literally are dumb, well.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Dumb, dumb and dumber. There are fools, damn fools, and
big old mf fools out there. And forgive me for
saying MTh, but you know what I mean. Here's the
bottom line. The Democrats have dropped the ball. We're all
scrambling to figure out how they can pick it back up.
Condreishman Ivy has made a great series of points about

(18:48):
what needs to happen, but unchill Democrats do something, you know,
I remember back in you know, I'm old Roller, I
love Santa, I'm old. Are people united will never be defeated.
And what we're doing is we're seeing a people not
united playing games.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Schumer needs to be taken to a small room with.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
A licking stick, because that rolling over was just really absurd.
He didn't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
But at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
What we have was we have some stalwart members of
Congress who are saying, oh, hell no, you have some
others who say, oh, we don't want to we don't
want to be disruptive. Well what do you think this
orange man is but disruptive. So when we look at
all of this, what we have to just do is
contextualize it and say this is unacceptable. But there are

(19:46):
those who will take we unacceptable and make it acceptable.
And we have to resist, resist, resist, That's all we
have to do is resist. So I am disturbed, distracted, bewildered, annoyed,
and as many of us are. But you know what
rest is resistance. Reflection is resistance. Our existence is resistance.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
See I'm not disturbed or distracted on a congo because
we predicted what was going to happen. We said what
they were going to do three days two days after
the election. I never forget folks who are like dang Roland,
how have you moved on? I typically election is over.

(20:37):
I mean it's called accepting the results of reality and
then now focused on how do you create a new reality?
And the real, And the fact of the matter is
you cannot focus on twenty twenty eight in twenty twenty five.
You can't focus on twenty twenty seven or even twenty

(21:00):
twenty six. What you can focus on is twenty twenty five. So,
as Conors and Glenn Ibby said, what do you have
to do. There's a legal action, massive lawsuits everywhere. You
let nothing go unopposed.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
That's legal.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
You have your protest side, okay, critically important, putting pressure
on those Republicans. You have the education, the informing side,
that's important as well. Okay. Vice President Kamala Harris did
not lose by a massive amount of votes. She did not, Okay,
So we need to understand how the results can be changed.

(21:42):
But you have to understand that you focus on what's
in front of you right now.

Speaker 10 (21:49):
I'm so glad that you said that, because one of
the things that had frustrated me over the last over
the weekend was all of us talk about whether AOC
should challenge Schumer in New York And I'm like, that's
twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Right, why people, that's three years from now?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right?

Speaker 10 (22:06):
Well, when I first heard it, I'm like, is there
an election this year. But people are sticking to that.
I've heard people mention things about Akiem Jeffries and you know,
now ifeople want to talk about challenging Chuck Schumer's leadership
in the Senate. Now that's a different conversation. But you're
right Roland, this idea about needing to think right now
when in the present. This happens when you've been focused
on this the entire time, which is what we've been

(22:28):
doing here on the Blackstar Network. The fact of the
matter is that ever since Joe Biden stepped down, the
Democrats have been fractured going into this new election right
now of Trump and so yes, it's fractured, but this
is the better time to be fractured now. But as
you said, if we can understand that, everybody's saying Democrats
don't have a plan, but you're right, some are involved

(22:49):
in the protests, some are involved in the legal and
then you have the street folks who aren't part of
you know, independence or whatever. Just to activists, as they say,
if the people lead, the leaders will follow, and the
Democrats on some levels need to step back and watch
that while they're doing what they're doing in the courts
and in the House and what they can do to
challenge these things. This is the time to synthesize it all.

(23:11):
And if people start paying and this idea of well
they can you know, Republicans control all the information streams. Well,
I'm seeing Jeffries come on here, I'm seeing Ivy come
on here. And so when who are realizing that if
we work together building on networks like this, we can
build networks that have already been out there countering the
Foxes and the O and ns and all of that
other type of stuff. That's what Representative Ivy was talking about.

(23:33):
What he was saying, getting to understand new platforms and
so this is the time when you're supposedly as Democrats powerless,
is to really organize. I think some of their beefs
need to go behind closed doors, to be quite honest,
because that's going to help show a little bit more cohesion.

Speaker 11 (23:49):
And I understand that they're frustrated and.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
Upset, but if they continue to listen to what you're saying,
if they continue to listen to people on the ground
and actually turn towards their base, which was a mistake
and the Harris campaign trying to appeal to independence and
Republicans and all of that, they stick to their base.
Some real change can happen this year.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I don't focus on the things that I cannot control.
I focus on what we can control. That's the most
important thing. So going to go to a break, we
come back and talk about June first now being recognized
as a city official city holiday in Tulsa. We will explain. Also,
we'll talk about how this Trump magat administration literally is

(24:33):
one of the most racist, anti black administrations since the
days of the violent racist Woodrow Wilson. You're watching Roland
Mark and Unfiltered right here on the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
We begin tonight with the people who are really running
the country right now. Trump is often wrong and misleading
about a lot of things, but especially.

Speaker 12 (24:53):
About historial Trump falling in line with President Elon Musk
in the way of.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
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Speaker 13 (25:56):
Now that Roland Martin is roilling to give me the
blue thread, hayty Rise, I need to go to Tyler
Perry and get another blueprint because I need some green money.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
The only way I can do what I'm doing.

Speaker 11 (26:07):
I need to make some money.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
So you'll see me.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Working with Roland.

Speaker 13 (26:10):
Matter of fact, it's the Roland Martin and Selndon show.
Was should have been show Munus show at Roland Man show. Well,
whatever show it's gonna be, it's.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Gonna be good, folks.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Of course, the TSA race massacre took place in nineteen
twenty one. Do you realize it wasn't until twenty eighteen
that students in that state actually were taught about that
race massacre. Why is that because well, white folks of
Oklahoma did not want to even talk about it, didn't
want to focus on it. That's been a continuous effort

(26:51):
by the folks there by African Americas there to really
get the city and the state did not only pay reparations,
but to give just do to that. So now there's
been a change in leadership in Tulsa. They got their
first black mayor and as a result, some things are happening.
To Mario. Solomon Simmons joins us right now. He of

(27:13):
course is an attorney've been working with the families also,
they're working with the Greenwood Project and lots of different
things going on. So you got some good news today.
Tomorrow I do have some good news.

Speaker 14 (27:26):
Good to see Roland.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
As always.

Speaker 15 (27:28):
The good news is that, as you know, we put
forward Project Greenwood back a couple.

Speaker 14 (27:32):
Of months ago.

Speaker 15 (27:33):
We've been meeting with our mayor, Mayor Marmelo Nichols, and
he announced yesterday that he accepted one of our proposals,
which was to create June first of each year as
an official city holiday, so we properly were memorialized, the
commemorate the massacre and make sure it can never be
rased from our history books ever again here in the
city of Tulsa.

Speaker 14 (27:52):
So we're pretty pumped about it.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
For the folks who don't realize, I mean, y'all had
got lots of resistance from previous white mayors.

Speaker 15 (28:00):
Well yeah, I mean I've been working on this issue
overall over twenty five years and pushing just to try
to get the holiday with something I've been doing specifically
for over twenty years. And so now to have a
new leader, Mayor Monroe Nichols, the fourth, like you said,
our very first African American mayor, someone that's coming in
and wanting to right the wrongs up now in just

(28:21):
the past, but what's happening right now, because as we
see what's happening in Oklahoma throughout the country with their
racer or to try the eraser of our history, our contributions,
having a citywide holiday is something that will stop that
here in the city. And of course this is just
the first step. We have twelve other proposals with their
Project Greenwood, and I'm also excited to announce that Mayor

(28:42):
Nichols on April six, in a couple of weeks, will
be announcing the other aspects of Project Greenwood that he
plans to implement. He's going to do that at one
of our thirteen historical churches that survived the massacre. That's
more than the Star Baptist Church. Of course, we will
be there and we're looking forward to this announcement.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
This is a perfect example of what I'm always trying
to say, what happens when you actually use your voting power.

Speaker 15 (29:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we this movement for Justice
for Greenwood, and we've been working on these things for
a long time.

Speaker 14 (29:18):
A part of that is building power within our communities.

Speaker 15 (29:21):
And a shout out to my sister, doctor Tiffany Crutch
and a trans Crutcher Foundation who's been doing a lot
of this work on the ground, and we were able
to come together with them with other community groups and
get people up empowered about the political process, political education
and makes you out to vote. Now of course is
five on one to see three's You can't tell them
who to vote for, but you can make sure they're

(29:42):
involved in the actual process. And I think people saw
who they wanted to have an office to kind of
bring some of the things they want to see happen here.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Locally, absolutely, and again for people to understand what's been
happening there. You know, the city spend millions of dollars
on this museum downtown trying to attract tourism, did not
include the black folks there from Greenwood, And really it
was sort of this effort to gentrify a massacre that

(30:14):
impacted black people, no.

Speaker 14 (30:17):
Question about it.

Speaker 15 (30:17):
And you're talking about the millions of dollars that was
raised and didn't go to ten year the survivors or
the descendants of the massacre, and of course we still
have two living survivors.

Speaker 14 (30:25):
I would be remiss if I did specifically shout out.

Speaker 15 (30:28):
My clients, one hundred and ten year old mother Violl
of Fort Fletcher and one hundred and ten year old
mother Leslie Benningfield Randall. Mother Fletcher will be one hundred
and eleven. I'm gonna say it again. Mother Fletcher will
be one hundred and eleventh on May tenth. And one
of the main aspects of Project Greenwood is to make
sure she's compensated in her lifetime. And so as again
we're excited about this very first step with the June

(30:51):
first holiday. And by the way, Roland, we picked June first.
I picked June first because I wanted the massacre, for
those who don't know, occurred over a two day period
from May thirty first and June first. We picked June
first because we didn't want to ever conflict with Memorial Day.

Speaker 14 (31:06):
We wanted to make sure that the massacre has its
own special day.

Speaker 15 (31:10):
But as we are so excited about this designation, we're
still pushing for a conversation for these two living survivors.
We're still looking for a victims conversation fund for the
over two hundred million dollars in property and insurance claims
that are outstanding and all of.

Speaker 14 (31:24):
The murder victims. We're still looking for business grants for
descendants who have businesses, scholarships for the senates who are
trying to go to school.

Speaker 15 (31:33):
We're looking for immunity from taxes from the sendates that
have been paying into the city for one hundred and
four years without getting anything back. We're looking for a
hospital be built. We had a hospital doing the massacre
that was burnt down. We don't have a hospital here
in the Greenwood district.

Speaker 14 (31:46):
And many many other things.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Plus by doing it in June, you also just jumped
right into Black Music Month, so you got that as well.

Speaker 14 (31:56):
Oh that's good. You know, I'm not as up on
the music scene as you are, rolling but I appreciate that.
And you know, we'll go.

Speaker 15 (32:02):
One thing we did think about is, you know, June first,
the Tulsa Race Mounts of commemoration that on June fourteenth,
it is the anniversary the sign of the Creek treat
of eighteen sixty eighteen sixty six, which is enslavement within
the Creek Nation for Black Creeks like myself. And then
of course we have June teenth, and then listen, we
know holidays is not substantive conversation or money that people

(32:26):
can spend the reparations that we need to eradicate the
wealth gap that we have within our communities. But this
is a part of reparations as we start to commemorate
and remember our history, and it gives us a platform
to always make sure we could talk about these other
substantial things.

Speaker 14 (32:41):
That we need to have happened, like actual conversation.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
To those who are And of course last year that
celebration weekend took place and lots lots of different things
were happening there, including you had the Anthony Hamilton concert.
I actually m see that among guys, so this was
of course. I had a good time there. A lot

(33:05):
of folks came out for that weekend, you know, and
of course, and trying to get people to understand that
it's not just about a celebration, not just a party,
not just but it really is about legacy, accepting that,
and also getting people to understand the power of black

(33:26):
owned business, getting people to understand getting them in a
state of mind where they recognize the support of black
owned businesses in doing this. Because it's one thing to
sit here, and it's one thing to sit here and
just talk about what we need to do. It's a
whole other to get people to be to practice that,

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to be in the habit of understanding what that is.

Speaker 14 (33:50):
Yeah, that's why I'm so proud of my team, I mean,
Justice for Green.

Speaker 15 (33:54):
With our team and all of our lawyers from around
the country like Laty Rowthen's Abel in New York, my
my co counselor, Eric Meley out in LA and so
many other people have come together. You rolling, You've been
down to Tulsa many times you've had me on the show.
You've shown a lot of support and love for what
we're doing.

Speaker 14 (34:09):
And that's what it takes. That's what it's going to
take in this time period.

Speaker 15 (34:12):
And as we talk about justice for Greenwood and Project Greenwood,
one thing I'm really talking to my community and folks
about is getting into the Greenwood mentality, the Greenwood Principles,
something we call think Greenwood, that think Greenwood, and these
are the five core principles that built the Greenwood District
in the first place, which is number one community love,
Number two with self determination.

Speaker 14 (34:32):
Number three was ownership, Number four.

Speaker 15 (34:35):
Was wealth and education concentration, and number five were resilience.
These are the things that built the Greenwood District in
the first place during the era that was even tougher
than the era that we're in now. And these are
the principles that we need to commit to. Anyone that's
listening that want to commit to those five principles, go
to Think Greenwood now dot com, Think Greenwood Now, just
join that pledge to saying that you're going to live

(34:57):
by those Greenwood principles and then you're going to join
with us just for Greenwood to make sure we see
reparations and justice for these people here in Tulsa, but
also for our entire country.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
There were i know merl last year, there were shirts
being sold things along those lines. So people want to
be able to support where they go.

Speaker 15 (35:14):
Well, if you want to make a donation of the
work of Justice for Greenwood, go to Justice for Greenwood
dot org.

Speaker 14 (35:19):
That's Justice for Greenwood dot org. If you want to
if you want to take the.

Speaker 15 (35:22):
Pledge and the Greenwood Principles, go to Think Greenwood now
dot com. Think Greenwood now dot com. Just join and
connect with us, because we have a lot of great
things in store. In addition to the mayor's announcement on
April sixth, we have a big announcement we're going to
do on June first that was already planned and.

Speaker 14 (35:39):
So this is gonna be even better. That's gonna be
on the actual city right holiday.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
All right, then, so to Mario, we certainly appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Tell all the folks there, congratulations, and we're gonna keep
elevating this and teaching folks so they begin to understand
that recognize our history is so important. Thanks a lot,
all right, then, folks gotta go to a break we
come back, we're gonna to share well, first of all,
more information with you. We're gonna talk to the top

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look forward to that, and so look forward to that.
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Speaker 5 (39:42):
I show you, I think I showed y'all.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
We put up all right, So this is a photo
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He's like, hey, man, you need some help. He took
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Speaker 4 (40:37):
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Speaker 1 (40:38):
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Black Ghost of Empire, The Death of Slavery and the
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Speaker 1 (46:44):
Since reconstruction, there have been three African Americans to serve
as governor of a state. Of course Doug Wilder in Virginia,
to Paul Patrick in Massachusetts, and of course Wes Moore
in Maryland. Well Lieutenant Governor Garland Gilchrist of Michigan. He
wants to be next, He joins us right now on

(47:07):
Roland mart unfilcher. Glad to have you back, sir. You
have made the announcement that you are running for a governor.
It is going to be a tough primary. You've got
I think the Secretary of State is running as well.
You've got to raise a lot of money to uh
to compete. But let's just talk about why is it

(47:27):
that you want to lead the state of Michigan. Up.
I think you're mute.

Speaker 11 (47:36):
Roland's good be back here there we go. I'm blackstar,
thank you. Rather you know Roland, I am an engineer
and a problem solver, and I spent time in all
eighty three counties in the state of Michigan, and what
I found is that people want a leader who solves problems,
doesn't create them. And frankly, and talking to people, they
want to hear about the issues. They want to get results.

(47:57):
And I think sometimes people have been self frustrated with
the lack of results coming from the public sector, not
seeing enough progress, that they are hungry for change. They
were hungry for change in the twenty twenty four or lesson.
They didn't think that Democrats were mad enough about the
status quo. Frankly, well, I'm urgently trying to get results
for this people of Michigan, and so I'm working to
make sure that we can truly stand tall on issues

(48:19):
like housing, healthcare, creating a new economy. And that's why
I'm running for Governor of Michigan, to make this an
amazing state here where people can raise their family, they
can stay here, they can succeed here, they can come
here to build and grow here and be successful, and
so people folks want to support that vision, support that
kind of energy here in Michigan. Go to Garlandille Chris
dot COM's for that campaign.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Obviously, Gretchi Whitber is the governor, you lieutenant governor. Democrats
there had control of the House and the Senate. You
were able to pass a lot of different measures. We
also look at the state Supreme Court. And so.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
In terms of next.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Moving forward, what specifically do you you want to tackle
if you become the next governor of Michigan.

Speaker 11 (49:04):
Well, let's talk about the fact that when me and
Greshcha wober took office role in the times were very different.
I mean, look, TikTok was still a music gap. You know,
at large, language models in AI were not a thing
that a lot of people understood, and different times called
for different leadership. Governor Wimer and I have laid an
important foundation for growth here in Michigan. But it's time

(49:24):
to move forward.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
You know.

Speaker 11 (49:25):
I have the experience of being an entrepreneur trying to
raise money for my first technology company in the early
two thousands in the state of Michigan, and unfortunately that
was something that I was very, very difficult to do,
and I see technology entrepreneurs, frankly, leaving our state almost
every day. That's why I created something called the Michigan
Innovation Fund, where those entrepreneurs now can get the resources
to raise their capital in Michigan, stay in Michigan, hire

(49:48):
people in Michigan to be able to go forward, and
then they can grow those businesses. They can help contribute
to our communities. They can help Michigan be, you know,
a bigger, better state with a stronger technology ecosystem. But
we also have to work on issues like housing. And
we've laid a foundation. Look, I pushed hundreds and millions
of dollars worth of funding into our Housing Trust Fund.
That's resulted in tens of thousands of new units. But

(50:09):
I still hear people talking about affordability challenges. So like,
we've done some good things, we sort of tested some
things out, but now it's time to go all the
way to the next level, because every community still has
an affordability challenge, And frankly, I just want people to
see that Michigan is a place where they have a
path to be successful. I talked to too many parents
who felt like my parents did when I graduated from
University of Michigan, and they were terrified that I was

(50:30):
going to leave the state of Michigan and never come home.
That's true for people in Detroit, where I'm from, true
with people on the west side of our state and
in the Upper Veenninsula. Well, if we play our cards right,
then every person who's growing up, including my kids who
are in the sixth grade and my kindergartener, when they
come of age, they'll be ready to choose and say
yes to Michigan to take their next step as well.
So this is about land that foundation for the future,

(50:50):
and it's got to be strong and frankly, at this
time we're seeing all this calamity, chaos, confusion, destruction coming
from Washington. We also need somebody to stand strong and
stand tall against this administration as attacking Michiganners every day.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Housing obviously is a crucial issue, but it's also building
of homes. We are far behind where millions of homes behind.
Economics is a critical issue. We have seen how Detroit
has rebounded, but there are still some who believe that

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there are parts of Detroit, black parts that are being
left behind. And so what do you say to African
Americans in the state that if they entrust you to lead,
how will you benefit their lives and make their lives better.

Speaker 11 (51:40):
On housing specifically, let's talk about the fact that we
need a more diverse set of developers who are who
are able to you know, invest in and complete these projects,
because when you see more of you know, black developers,
for example, black developers are more likely to build housing
in black neighborhoods or places where black folks live currently
or want to live, and also build them in a
way that are affordable. We need to have the State

(52:02):
of Michigan be a strong partner when it comes to
the kinds of affordability programs like the rape relief program
that I introduce that enables people who are buying a
home to get a mortgage at a full percentage point
lower than the going rate if they get one from
the Michigan State Housing Development Authority. We also need to
make sure that the permitting process is something that is

(52:22):
more efficient and works better for developers so they can
build more homes faster. Because this challenge on housing it
needs to be solved now, and frankly, we haven't built
enough housing in the state of Michigan since two thousand
and eight and the financial crisis. We're about one hundred
and forty thousand units short in Michigan, but we've put
on We built sixty thousand new units just in the
last couple of years, and I'm going to continue to

(52:43):
accelerate that progress. But I speak to small developers every
single day, people who are hungry to build. You know,
whether it's a new single family home or new apartment
building on the East side of Detroit, they're hungry to
do more. They neither state to be a partner, and
I'll be that partner for them.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Questions from my panel, let me go to you first,
uh onm Congo.

Speaker 10 (53:03):
Well, first of all, mister Lieutenant Governor, are wishing you
the best on this campaign. I think it's really amazing
that you're stepping up in this life because more people
need to see the type of programs that you're providing.
One of the questions that I have is relating to education.
We see that many states across the country are still
reeling from the COVID pandemic when there were so many

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drops in our educational spaces in terms of student attendance, etc.

Speaker 8 (53:27):
Etc.

Speaker 10 (53:28):
And now we're seeing what's happening with the Department of Education.
What are your plans as it relates to making sure
that Michigan has a robust agenda as it relates to education.

Speaker 11 (53:38):
I appreciate that because I'm a public school kid, okay,
and my children go to Detroit public schools, all three
of them. Having an amazing public education system that is
available and allows childs to get the results that they're
looking for and the families are looking for is a
really big deal to me. And I think, frankly that
starts with supporting the education professionals who take care of

(53:59):
our students. We need to make it easier for them,
not only to afford to live by increasing teacher pay,
which is helping I've let on here as we sendant
Governor and will continue to, but we also need to
make it easier for them to do the things that
work and support the implementation of best practices in our
public school system and position those educators to be able
to implement those And if they recognize or they observe

(54:19):
that something is not working, they need to be able
to pivot to something that they know will. I trust
them because they have the closest relationship with our students
to work closely with their parents and with their colleagues
to understand what is possible in terms of accelerating achievement.
We also have to make sure that they have enough tools,
that our schools are resourced enough. I'm proud to have
presided over a state Senate that has approved the largest

(54:41):
education budgets in the history of the State of Michigan.
This year, we will break the ten thousand dollars mark
of how much we spend per student on kids. And
that's resources, that's laptops and technology and books and support
for pair of professionals. Now, these kinds of supports need
to be partnered with support from the federal government the
Department of NUS, especially for our students with extraordinary and

(55:02):
special needs. I'm concerned about these massive layoffs that have
been proposed to Department Education and what they would do
not only for our classrooms across the state of Michigan,
but also for our professional certifications, which we have invested
a lot in. In Michigan. We have a lot more
certified welders and certified electricians who have been able to
go through career technical education programs that I've taken to

(55:22):
a higher level that since we've seen in the seventies,
but those would have been those would be potentially discredited
or taking their creditation away if the Department Education goes
away or is completely dismembered.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Here Lean, Lieutenant Governor, my brother, I'm your biggest fan.
I don't know if you saw it be clapping as
you were talking, but should have a bomb bomb mom,
and I really appreciate you. And of course we share
a connection with counselwoman Join Watson, who was very much

(55:55):
into the education system in Michigan. What I want to
pivot to talk a bit about small business and to
talk about what we lose in Michigan when the small
business administration that others are cut and what you plan
to do to respond to that.

Speaker 11 (56:16):
You know, the small.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Business drives Detroit, drives Lansing, drives our cities in Michigan.
What can you do to fix this?

Speaker 11 (56:25):
Doctor? Thank you, it's always good to see you. And yes,
Mama Watson was one of the most important cultural figures,
educational figures, and cultural leaders in the history of the
city Detroit. So thank you for mintioning her. Got miss
she rest in power. I'm a two time recovering entrepreneur,
so I mentioned my first business which was called Detroit
intern It was the jobs and internship website for people

(56:46):
to find work and help we find careers in the
city of Detroit. I know what it's like to start
a business, to help and try to grow it and
make it successful. And we've seen it for our entrepreneurs
struggling we already. We've seen you know, black entrepreneurs, women, entrepreneurs,
entrepreneurs with disabilities, have been left out of the systems
to get the capital they need to be successful. That's
why I put in place some really important programs to

(57:07):
help them, things like the Michigan Economic Opportunity Fund, a
ten million dollar fund that supports those types of entrepreneurs
that I talked about who have been unable to get
bank financing. Now, those resources came the first several million
dollars of that fund came from the federal government because
I led an effort to use the State Small Business
Credit Initiative to apply to the federal government to say,

(57:29):
we want to use these resources to help the entrepreneurs
who need it, who are hungry, who are ambitious and
ready to take that next step. And the first entrepreneur
that we gave a grant to was a black woman
owned hair salon here and Michigan Avenue in Destroit. So
I want to build on programs like that. The Michigan
Innovation Fund that I mentioned a sixty million dollar fund,
that's the Innovate Capital Fund, which is parking resources at

(57:50):
our colleges and universities that are going to help scale
up the research and technology that's coming out of places
like the University of Michigan or like Michigan Tech, our
newest r one university in our state, to be able
to spin off new businesses. But what small businesses in particular,
These are the things that define the character of our communities.
When you go someplace, you think about what are the

(58:10):
small business that you remember, whatever, the cultural institutions are,
the cool art that you saw while you were there.
That's really important to the fabric of Michigan. And as
a former small business entrepreneur, I'm going to be thinking
about that every single day. I talk to these entrepreneurs
right now who are struggling because they don't understand what
to expect from this Trump administration that's coming up with
something crazy to destroy every single day, and they can't

(58:32):
plan for the next quarter. They don't know what's going
to happen next week. I'm going to bring this stability,
the problem solving, and the listening and relationship building skills
to be able to work with them to make sure
they have a pathway to success here in the State
of Michigan, that the State of Michigan will be their partner,
whether it's raising capital, whether it's finding talent, or it's
being able to take whatever their next step is to
get that next sale from the State of Michigan.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
My brother, if you need me, called me.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
What we are coming.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Thank you, Lieutenant Governor. Is a pleasure to connect with
you here.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
I am very curious about the Republican demographics of your constituents,
because as you become governor, you would be their governor
as well. I'm curious about the impact of Donald Trump's
economic policies right now, particularly the tariffs and then the
subsequent trade war, how that's affecting the auto industry there.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
But more specifically, your reach out, your outreach.

Speaker 9 (59:35):
To disillusion Michigans who have felt the brunt of some
of the decisions made in Washington that's trickling down to Michigan.

Speaker 11 (59:45):
In my six years as Lieutenant governor, I've been to
all eighty three of our counties three or more times.
Michigan is the biggest state east of the Mississippi River,
and I put in more road work than anyone to
get to know the people of Michigan by going and
meeting them exactly where they are. And what I hear
from people are just like there's hope that it's like

(01:00:09):
snuffed out by frustration and anger and being mad about
the status quo not delivering the results that they need.
And my conversation with them is help me understand what
the challenges are as you're facing so that as an engineer,
a problem solver, a solution builder, I can work with
you to find or create something that will they'll make
things work for you. And what we've seen is these

(01:00:30):
challenges that exist in all eighty three of our counties.
They may not be exactly the same, but they rhyme
and let me give you a concrete example of that.
So I've let our administrations work to reform our justice
system to work better for people and set them up
for success after they've been held accountable. Well there, we
had a system of criminal record clearance called expungement in
Michigan that wasn't working. And it wasn't working because after

(01:00:53):
people had done their time, pay their debt to society
been held accountable, only seven out of one hundred of
them were actually getting their records cleared. And y'all know
that if you have something on your record, it makes
it harder for you to get an apartment, to get
certain jobs, to get a loan for a mortgage, to
go back to school, or to be reunited with your
kids and rebuild your family. So, as an engineer, I thought, well,

(01:01:14):
if you have access to justice, the law says you
should be able to have it cleared, then the justice
should be yours without you having to have the barrier
of hiring an attorney, having the barrier of waiting more
time than the losses to be able to be fully
integrated back into civic and economic life. So I created
the Automatic Clean Slate Automatic Criminal Record Exposion Program that
as of April twelfth, twenty twenty three, when it cleared

(01:01:38):
one million offenses on that one day, has now automatically
set free three hundred and thirty thousand people's records so
that they can get an apartment again, get a loan,
get job, training, and get those jobs that we need
in our economy today to work with those small businesses
that doctor Malveau alluded to, and that has put three
hundred and thirty thousand people back on the roles in
all eighty three counties of Mission. It is bipartisan to

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one have access to economic opportunity, and that is an
argument that has resonated for me across the state of Michigan,
and it is a story I want to tell about
economic possibility so that people could get can stay in
Michigan and can succeed in Michigan and not have to
flee to someplace else because they're chasing opportunity. Now you
mentioned the terroriffs. I am really worried about them. Look,
Donald Trump has never done anything in a way that

(01:02:24):
was not sloppy and reckless, and the way that he's
talking about terrorifs is absolutely sloppy and reckless and dangerous
for the economy and the workers of the state of Michigan.
The people who create the value through these businesses, whether
it's our auto suppliers or our big three OEMs, they're
all going to be hurt by these terrorfts, which is
going to hurt families across the state of Michigan. My

(01:02:44):
mother's a general Motors retire She would have been devastated.
My hostel would have been devastated if this would have
went into went into affecting the sloppy way that the
only way that Donald Trump Yon must want to do
anything is sloppy and destructive. So I talk to auto
suppliers every day, and just like that small business owner
I refer to a little bit or earlier, they're trying
to figure out what they do next quarter. But they
can't really plan because they don't know what's going to

(01:03:05):
happen next week because one day to tariffs are off,
another day to tariffs are back on. One day there
level X, and then next day they're that level. Why
that like chaos and confusion, is frankly the kind of
thing I'm going to be a strong contrast to as
a governor of Michigan, providing stability, providing relationship, providing trust
that we're going to make decisions together to make sure
our economy is strong.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
So Lieutenant go to Gil Chris, I appreciate it. Good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I'm sure we're going to have you back on When
is the primary?

Speaker 11 (01:03:45):
Primary is in August of twenty twenty six. We have
a lot of exciting work to do. But Roland, you know,
I'm a kind of person who brings people together, and
it's brought people together here in the city and betrayed
to organize the causes that are important, that can help
us stand tall for our values. So I want everyone
to support this campaign. You see how to do so
on the screen, but come join this movement and so
we can really stand to off a Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
So primary is August twenty twenty six. Is on the
ballot in November twenty six.

Speaker 11 (01:04:10):
Yes, sir, got it all.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Right, but we appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, Thanks everyone, folks.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
We come back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
We're going to break down how racist this administration is,
how anti black it is, even when it comes to.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
The skin condition of black men.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Shady. Wait till we unpack this for you. If you're
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about for a moment some of those echy behaviors that
you display every now and then. Are you a petty
beatty or crabby kathy? Where do those less than attractive
traits come from? We all have them, and more importantly,
how do we get rid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Of them to make certain that they don't infect other people?
Pettiness is something that we all carry.

Speaker 21 (01:05:42):
It's just make sure that you carry it well and
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Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Hey, this is Motown Recording Artists Kim. You are watching
Rolling Martin unfiltered? Boy? He always on though I never
known him to be filtered?

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
Is there anohing?

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Is there another way to experience Roland Martin.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Than to be on filter? Of course he's unfiltered. Would
you expect anything less? Why watch? Watch? Watch? What happens
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Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
M m. There had been a lot of racist, anti
black occupants of the Oval Office. There have been slaveholders

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occupied the Oval Office in the twentieth century. I dare say,
this man right here, Woodrow Wilson, was the most racist
president ever. This is the man who reinstituted segregation in
the federal workforce. This is the man right here who
screamed the birth of a nation at the White House

(01:07:40):
that led to the rebirth of the KKK. This man
was a violent racist. He was absolutely anti black. I
dare say since Woodrow Wilson, this man is the most
anti black occupant of the Oval Office now now, and

(01:08:04):
I'm sure some people are watching me, and they're sitting saying, Roller,
come on. I mean, how can you say that he
appointed one black cabinet member. I mean, how can you
say that he had lots of his black magaminions dancing
at the White House, happy, gleeful if.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
They were the Black History Month reception.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I mean, this is the man who he welcomed Tiger
I Rediscovered my blackness Woods to the Black History Month reception.
So how can you say such things? Well, I base
it on what a person does. Moment he gets in,

(01:08:51):
what does he do? Blames deos which is mean, which
means black people for a plane crash at DCA Airport
that killed sixty seven people. Y'all notice they got real
quiet when it was discovered that all the pilots were white.
I mean, it was as if that this thing didn't

(01:09:12):
even happen. Then you look at the various attacks on
Black History Month events, things along those lines. Then you
see the attacks on equity and inclusion, the firing of people,
the ending of offices. We told you last week, the

(01:09:34):
stopping of a lawsuit against the petrochemical company in Louisiana
that was alleged to have dump toxic chemicals in an
area known as cancer Alley. And who are most those
people who are dying earlier than normal black people?

Speaker 11 (01:09:55):
We told you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Last week about the closing of the environmental justice offices. Hmm,
these things don't really exist, So why do we have
environmental justice doesn't happen? Now we have the military literally
removing if you go to the website, removing the images

(01:10:20):
and the stories of African Americans and others who served
this country, who gave the blood for this country. This
is the website right here, if you if you go
to the website, this is what it now says. They've
they removed these stories. They removed the history of these people.

(01:10:46):
Now they begin to face backlashes all of a sudden,
they're kind of like, oh, we got to fix the problem,
just like remember when they stopped teaching about the Tuskegee
air Man. Y'all? Remember that Trump signed executive order late
friday that essentially targets seven governmental entities. He wants to
limit them, limitate them, quote to the maximum extent consistent

(01:11:11):
with applicable law. What's one of those agencies? The Minority
Business Development Agency? Do y'all remember, do y'all remember when
he was touting his Platinum Plan and how amazing it
was and how he was going to deliver five hundred
billion in capital to black businesses. But he gets rid

(01:11:33):
of the Minority Business Development Agency. HM. Military dot Com
had a story that was quite interesting that you know
Peter heck Seth, you know, the grossly unqualified Secretary of Defense.
What he's doing is, uh, he's ordered a review of

(01:11:59):
these workers and these ordered ordered some.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Changes, some changes to them hm, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
One of them deals with First of all, I want
to give you the name because we had we had
him earlier. The highest ranking Black Medal of Honor recipient.
Who was who? This is the headline in military dot com.
The highest ranking Black Medal of Honor recipient erased in
Pentagon dei purge. Major General Charles Rogers wounded three times

(01:12:37):
while fighting all three human waive attacks at a firebase
in Vietnam. Yep, yep, yep, goodbye, Remove all, remove your information.
The story was removed during the auto removal process. Huh,
ain't that interesting? So there's other story caught my eye

(01:12:59):
that I to be very interesting, and that is it
dealt with the health.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
The skins. There were new policies. I just want to
show you all this and again I want you to listen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Marines with skin condition affecting mostly black men could now
be booted under new policy. A new Marine Core policy
says troops with a genetic skin condition that can cause

(01:13:34):
pain and scarring from shaving and mainly affects Black men
can be separated if the health issue persists.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
The interim guidance.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Issue Thursday gives military health care providers ninety days to
reevaluate marines diagnosed with PFB if they don't recover based
on a four phased treatment program. Outline of the message
have to main on a shaving waiver for more than
a year and a commander deems it fit, the Core

(01:14:06):
can administratively separate them quote due to incompatibility with service.
The directive marks a reversal from a previous Marine Core
policy issued in twenty twenty two that prohibited the service
from administratively separating marines solely based on the condition which

(01:14:30):
it has caused when curled hairs grow back into the skin,
resulting in inflammation. It also comes at the same time
Defense Secretary Peter Hexseth has ordered a military wide revealed
standard specifically focused on issues such as shaving waivers and
body fat. Listen to this in cases where a medical

(01:14:55):
condition prevents a marine from meeting required standards for an
extended period of time exceeding when your administrative separation may
be considered if it affects long term service compatibility.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
Major Jacobe Getty, a spokesperson for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
The CORES Manpower and Reserve Affairs, sending an email statement
Friday when asked by marines are no longer exempt from
separation due to PFB. However, every effort will be made
to support marines through treatment and recovery before such decisions
are considered. Get The emphasized that the new guidance is

(01:15:27):
meant to imbue consistency across medical exemptions and that the
service remains fully committed to supporting marions with PFB. HMM,
isn't that interesting that this is the guidance that they
are now issuing out. Now ask yourself this, just just

(01:15:57):
ask yourself this does that matter? Thankfully, I've never had
that issue of in grown hair underna. We've seen it
where literally it creates massive problems for a lot of brothers.

(01:16:20):
But when you look at this decision, when you look
at this and you say, what the hell is people doing?
I told y'all in the first week, MAGA wants to
defund Black America. This is a perfect example of their desire.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
To completely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Completely degrade and deemphasize black people. And if you want
to understand, and I really really really need y'all to
pay attention.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
To the lame of whiteness. JD.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Vance gave an.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Interview with Laura Ingram.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
And he was talking about Germany. I want you to
listen very closely to this white supremacist language.

Speaker 22 (01:17:25):
Listen, I really believe that we have a great deal
in common with Europe, and I'm not. You know, yes,
the Europeans annoy me sometimes, and yes I disagree with
him on certain issues, but we have to remember that
is the cradle of Western civilization, the entire entire idea
of Christian civilization that led to the founding of the
United States of America, that was formed in Europe. The

(01:17:45):
cultural bonds, the religious bonds, these things are going to
last beyond political disagreements. But I think that Europe, and frankly,
I would have said this about America a year ago,
but America, Europe is at risk, I think of creating
of of engaging in civilizational suicide. They are unable to
or unwilling too many countries to control their borders. You

(01:18:06):
see them starting to push back against that, and good,
that's a good thing. You see them starting to limit
the free speech of their own citizens, even as those
citizens are protesting against things like the border invasion that
got Donald Trump and a number of European leaders elected.
So look, I want Europe to thrive I want them
to be an important ally. Part of that is going

(01:18:27):
to be Europe respecting its own people, respecting its own sovereignty,
and America can't do that job for them. If you
have a country like Germany, where you have another few
million immigrants come in from countries that are totally culturally
incompatible with Germany, then it doesn't matter what I think
about Europe. Germany will have killed itself. And I hope

(01:18:47):
they don't do that because I love Germany and I
want Germany to thrive.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Okay, some of you were not paying attention, so I'm
gonna say this to you. I'm gonna replay it for you.
What jd Vance just said is we've got to ensure
that Germany remains white. And when least other people are

(01:19:15):
coming in, they are polluting Germany, they are infecting the
bloodlines of Germany.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
Now with me setting that up, now, I want you
to listen to what he said.

Speaker 22 (01:19:33):
With that in mind, I really believe that we have
a great deal in common with Europe, and I'm not
you know, yes the Europeans annoy me sometimes, and yes
I disagree with him on certain issues, but we have
to remember that is the cradle of Western civilization, the
entire idea of Christian civilization that led to the founding
of the United States of America.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
That was formed in Europe.

Speaker 22 (01:19:56):
The cultural bonds, the religious bonds, these things are going
to last beyond political disagreements. But I think that Europe,
and frankly I would have said this about America a
year ago, but America, Europe is at risk, I think
of creating, of engaging in civilizational suicide. They are unable
to or unwilling too many countries to control their borders.

(01:20:17):
You see them starting to push back against that, and good,
that's a good thing. You see them starting to limit
the free speech of their own citizens, even as those
citizens are protesting against things like the border invasion that
got Donald Trump and a number of European leaders elected.
So look, I want Europe to thrive. I want them
to be an important ally. Part of that is going

(01:20:38):
to be Europe respecting its own people, respecting its own sovereignty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And America can't do.

Speaker 22 (01:20:43):
That job for them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
If you have a country like.

Speaker 22 (01:20:45):
Germany, where you have another few million immigrants come in
from countries that are totally culturally incompatible with Germany, then
it doesn't matter what I think about Europe. Germany will
have killed itself and I hope they don't do that
because I love Germany and I will Germany be throwed.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
Culturally incompatible.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
H Today, Trump administration welcome a man who was found
liable for sexual assault. That's Fighter mcconnor McGregor to the
White House. He literally spoke from the Press Secretary's podium.

(01:21:27):
But I want you to listen to what Connin McGregor said,
because he sounded strangely like JD.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
Vance.

Speaker 23 (01:21:39):
Listen, I'm here to raise the issues to people of
Ireland face, you know, and it'll be music to the
people of Ireland's ears, because never on the main stage
has the issues to people of art and face been spoke.
You know, our government has long since about in the
voices of the people of Ireland, and it's high timed
that America is made aware.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Of what is on lon in Irelands.

Speaker 23 (01:22:01):
What is going to run in Ireland is a travesty.
Our government is the government of zero action with zero accountability.
You know, our money is being spent on overseas issues
that has nothing to do with the Irish people. The
illegal immigration recket is running ravage on the country. There
are rural towns in Ireland that have been overrunning One's Swoop,

(01:22:22):
that have become a minority.

Speaker 14 (01:22:23):
In woon Swoop. So issues need to be addressed, and the.

Speaker 23 (01:22:26):
Forty million Irish Americans, as I said, need to hear
this because if not, there will be no place to
come home and visit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
There's no hotails. Rural places are being overrun by these immigrants.
Does that sound like Haitians eating cats and dogs? Say?
I know some of you may go, Okay, Roland, I

(01:22:54):
think you're taking this a little too far.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Hmm Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Really people don't want to pay attention to Is that
what you just heard there is what Fox News has
been saying for a very long time. You've been listening
to these people and lay these things out, and they
don't want to confront that. But see, y'all heard me

(01:23:18):
say this before. See this is the reality of what's
going on here, what's happening in Europe, it is literally
what's happened in the United States. White people stop screwing,
they stop having babies. The death rate of a number

(01:23:40):
of states in the United States right now, the white
death rate is higher than the white birth rate. Let
me just try to make this as simple as possible
for everyone listening. In order for you to continue to
have positive GDP gross domestic product, the American economy it's

(01:24:08):
about a thirty trillion dollar economy. Okay, you need the
replenishment of people in order for you to maintain your GDP.
We are far ahead of China in terms of gross
domestic product. Okay, we're about twelve thirteen trillion dollars. Why

(01:24:35):
has China been having an economic problem? Because about thirty
years ago, China had something called the one child rule.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
They wanted to stem the population. Here's the problem with that.
People eventually begin to pass on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
So thirty years later, where you should have children, where
you should have people who are a thirty twenty nine,
twenty eight, twenty seven, twenty six, twenty five, essentially replacing
people who are seventy five, eighty eighty five, ninety who
are passing on, China's population begin to decrease. They begin

(01:25:16):
to realize, shit, we've got more people dying than people
being born. Why because of that one child rule.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
So what do they do?

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Oh, hey, hey, we need y'all to start having babies.
I went to a child rule. They're now having to
play catch up, understand what's happening in Ireland. Go to
my iPad. Look at this. In two thousand and eight,

(01:25:47):
the number of births in Ireland was seventy thousand, five thousand,
one hundred and seventy three.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
In twenty twenty two it was fifty four.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Thousand, four hundred and eighty three. That's twenty twenty two, y'all.
That's twenty one thousand fewer births. So what that means is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Ireland is going to be a dying nation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Unless you replenish the population with people. Well, here's the problem.
They're not coming from other white European nations. Why because

(01:26:41):
the white European nations are having the exact same problem
as Italy. Same problem.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Good bypad.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Germany's birth rate has been declining rapidly, reaching a record
low of one point three five children per woman in
two thoy and twenty three. That's a seven percent drop
from the previous year and an eight percent dropped from
twenty twenty two. Look at this here there's a decline

(01:27:22):
in the number of women aged between twenty seven and
thirty six in Eastern Germany, and age group that accounts
for the majority of births in the region. Germany's fertility
rate has been below the natural replacement level of roughly
two point one children per woman since nineteen seventy. Germany

(01:27:43):
has experienced a natural population decline every year since nineteen
seventy two, bit population has increased due to immigration.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Now we get to the crux of the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
The racist in the Trump administration Donald Trump, jd Vance,
Steven Miller, and others. They despise immigration because they want
to maintain the power of whiteness.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
They want to maintain the purity of whiteness.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Donald Trump talked about on the campaign trail the blood
being infected. Well, hell see, Donald Trump prefers white immigrants.
So he wants those white Afrikaaners. He wants some white
folks from Denmark and Finland. Let's just can you can

(01:28:42):
we please go bring in some viril blonde, blue eyed
white people.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
They despise the fact that there are brown immigrants.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
They despise that there are immigrants from Venezuela, Colombia, in
American countries, Bermuda, Jamaica, African countries. They prefer white people.
So when you listen to Connor McGregor complained about the
indigenous Ireland people. Hey, Connor, you can't complain about everybody else.

(01:29:16):
That's your problem. You're the one who's found liable for
sexual assault anybody trying to have your baby. Jd Vance
is complaining about cultural compatibility. What he's saying is those
other people are coming to Germany and they're not like
the Germans. Will excuse me, because here's a problem with Germany.

(01:29:39):
If you don't have immigration, you're screwed, y'all. What is
my book about. It's about white fear, how the brownie
of Americas making white folks lose their minds.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
That's what the book is about. This is it right here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
I literally talk about it in the book. I literally
say in the book that what these people have been
focused on. When you hear them talk about the great
replacement theory, it all comes down to whiteness. They can't
stand the fact that they're going to be fewer white
people in America. So when you hear them talk about, man,

(01:30:15):
we've got to maintain our work. We gotta maintain these
things we have to maintain. How can we make we
gotta maintain whiteness. We gotta maintain white people being in control.
What what can we do it has to be white, white, white.
And see, I need you all to understand when you
have these Negro Maga trolls sitting here running their miles

(01:30:38):
sound like pure idiots. They don't even understand that they
are doing the job of the white nationalists, the white supremacists.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
They don't even want to accept it. Here's Sam Seedter.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
You know how they had these conversations with It's called
Jubilee media. Listen to this white woman, by the way,
she's talking like she's an American. She's not. She's actually
an immigrant from Canada, but she's blonde and she's white.
Listen to this.

Speaker 10 (01:31:15):
Xenophobic nationalism.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Don't you think that's better for Americans?

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
In general?

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Nations?

Speaker 17 (01:31:21):
You should have a coherent culture. Everyone should be a
part of the same culture. We should have assimilation.

Speaker 24 (01:31:26):
Which do you get to choose what the culture is.

Speaker 17 (01:31:29):
We already have a dominant culture Ekean and Christian values
and identity that is the dominant in European identity white.

Speaker 24 (01:31:39):
So your argument is that has been.

Speaker 17 (01:31:41):
The dominant culture and we're not letting people assimilate to that.
We're saying you should just keep culture. And this is
why our culture is so divided.

Speaker 24 (01:31:48):
Your argument is that Trump is good for those who
want a dominant white European culture.

Speaker 17 (01:31:55):
I mean, that is what America is. It's rooted in
European identity and Christian values. That's what it has been. Like,
would you really disagree with that? What is it that
if that's not the identity of America. Well, I think
the identity of the majority of time America has been
a country.

Speaker 10 (01:32:12):
You don't think that's been the identity?

Speaker 24 (01:32:14):
Well actually, and no, I think actually the the the
identity of America has been you know, for better or
for worse.

Speaker 14 (01:32:22):
It's a melting pot in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yeah, yeah, maybe since like the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 17 (01:32:27):
Even then, like even we had this idea of a
melting pot. Literally means assimilation too. It means melting. It
means you're assimilating to the dominant culture.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
That means now.

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
Culture.

Speaker 12 (01:32:41):
No.

Speaker 24 (01:32:42):
I mean, look, to be honest with you, like you
and I have a fundamental disagreement.

Speaker 14 (01:32:47):
We will never see eye to eye on this.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
It's a choice and people.

Speaker 24 (01:32:51):
I think what you're expressing though, is really what the
Trump Uh movement at its heart is about.

Speaker 11 (01:32:58):
And I think that's probably I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:33:00):
Think Trump's like anywhere close to being a Christian nationalist.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 17 (01:33:04):
Like Trump's basically democraft from like fifteen years ago when
it comes to social So you don't think that he's
concerned enough for you, Oh, definitely, nowhere close.

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
No, he's not xenophobic enough for you.

Speaker 17 (01:33:14):
No, he's trying to pour a bunch of h one
b's Are you kidding?

Speaker 6 (01:33:17):
Right?

Speaker 15 (01:33:17):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:33:17):
So you want to get them out here?

Speaker 15 (01:33:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:33:19):
No, I mean I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Literally sounded like JD Evans. I just need people to understand, y'all.
This is not about the price of eggs. This is
not about any of that. This is not about jobs,
this is not about manufacturing. And this is why Democrats
have struggled because the problem is when you have the

(01:33:46):
Vice president Kyle Maharas. She gave an interview where she
talked about this very issue where she talked about One
of the issues she talked about was when you talk
about Danny politics, white folks don't like talking about this
stuff because what you're doing is you're putting white folks
on front street. You're forcing them, You're holding a mirror

(01:34:07):
up to say, yeah, like her, all the dominant culture
know so when you assimilate. First of all, baby, when
you're a melting pot as somebody who cooks gumbo, when
you start putting the other ingredients in, it changes the
taste of the rule. It don't taste the same spice

(01:34:32):
as flavor miss unseasoned chicken. But I need us our
people to understand that if you're not framing what is
happening right now through the lens of whiteness, of white nationalism,
white supremacy, white theocracy, then you're actually missing the entire picture.

(01:34:57):
And the struggle that democrats have is that when they
talk about justice, equality, diversity, equity, and inclusion, these white
folks don't want to hear that because what they hear
is you're taking my job, that negro got my job,

(01:35:19):
that black woman got my job, that Latina got my job.
Because they actually believe if they're smarter, they're better, and
that everything is designed for them and the rest of
us are us non white people. We're supposed to accept
the scraps and be happy. We're supposed to call a

(01:35:42):
crumb a meal. Jd Vance is saying Germany, you're no
longer pure in white, and we don't want America to
become a non pure white country, Ben Dixon, you.

Speaker 8 (01:36:07):
Know Roland as you laid that out.

Speaker 9 (01:36:09):
I'm sitting here and I'm thinking about the demographics of
our community and how when you contextualize it for what
you're saying, brother, how homicides in our community. And I
was just arguing with Ai about the abortion rate in
the black community, but in context of what you're saying.

(01:36:32):
As pro choice as I am, and I don't want
to go into all those things, I'm a super pro choice,
but I just see a percentage of blackness that has
been cut off, and I can't help but looking and
seeing that that's exactly what people like jd Vance and
that Lily White girl who was going up against Sam
Seed what they want. They fear more than anything else,

(01:36:54):
becoming the minority because they assume that black people will
do to them what they did to us. Now they
better be glad some of us are saved, right, But
we don't want to do to them what they did
to us. We want equity, we want justice, we want inclusion.
We want them to get out of our way. Let
us build our towns instead of you coming in like

(01:37:15):
you did in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and burning it down. And
killing us, and so they fear the rise of a
black population, of black power, of the black demographic, the
black vote, black solidarity, not just here in the United States,
but globally with South Africans. No expropriation, or rather expropriation
without compensation. Don't pay them a dime over there. As

(01:37:37):
matter of fact, also don't send them here. Could you
all send the Afrikaaners back to Europe. We have enough
white supremacist devils to deal with here in the United
States of America already. That being said, I also think
we need to look internally and say that every brother
that we see getting killed, that's a family line that
could have enhanced and grown our tribe. And every time

(01:37:58):
we find ourselves and because of the systemic factors, the
economic factors, the realistic factors that lead sisters to making
that particular choice as black people, we got to stop
killing our own so that we can do what we
know we have to do, which is to grow as
a tribe in the midst of a tribe that wants
to exterminate us.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
Jillian, I'm troubled by a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Basically by the that white girl somebody need to do
something to her, and since I now bullgro Christian, I
won't say what would be, but somebody need to do
something to her. She's had lost Craig crave Mine. But
that's where we are that people have lost, say Craig
crave Mind. Jd Vance has lost his Craig crag Mine.

(01:38:49):
Elon Musk with his South African behind I mean, Roland.
I hope we'll talk at some point about the you know,
the elimination or the the brother, the South African ambassador,
because he said something that was mildly critical. They've expelled
him from the United States. What we see as a fear,

(01:39:10):
as you wrote very well in your book, the fear
of a black planet. And it's not even a black planet.
We don't want the planet. We just want our slice,
and we want our slice. We want our opportunities, we
want our possibilities. And these folks are decided, determined, and
we're not going to have anything. And you see them.
I'll tell you, Roland, what my heart broke today. One

(01:39:33):
of my best friends, Ryl points at Brown, her daddy.
A couple of years ago, we went out to Arlington
where he was buried. You met my godchild Matthew Brown,
who's an ape reporter, and I just thought about how
they must feel that the plaques to the black and
women veterans were taken down, Yes, that day.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
But the black erasure, the black erasure is part of
the focus on white identity.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Let's erase the history, let's erase the facts, Let's elevate whiteness.

Speaker 11 (01:40:12):
And we have to keep we have to continue.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
What I'm doing with some sisters and brothers right now
is looking at the Saturday Saturday School movement, which you're
a little younger than me, maybe a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
I'm aware of it. Freedom School. Back in the day, we.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Were doing that. We need to do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
We need to make sure that our young people are
able to learn us because like I said, when I
heard that, literally I was at Arlington with brother Brown,
Elijah Brown was buried yep, the twenty one salute, and
I just thought, how much they feel.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Yeah, but again though it is, but we have.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
To this way.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
The voice of America is gone.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Right, But I need to pull on the congo in
here because I got my next guess is waiting.

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
Here's the piece that again on the congo. So that
we have to just be mindful of.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
We have to look at these attacks through the lens
of white cultural dominance. That is the goal.

Speaker 8 (01:41:12):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 10 (01:41:13):
And just to tie it into where you started about
him being the most racist president since Woldrow Wilson, I mean,
it's adding up. It's definitely adding up in very short order.
And really, at the end of the day, if to
look at it through any other type of prism, you're
always going to be lost, You're always going to be confused,
You're always going to say, I don't really understand. This
is America. They're supposed to be the land of the

(01:41:34):
Free and blah blah. But when you just add whiteness
to it, literally everything makes sense. And for us to
continue to not I mean as a society, for us
to continue to not do this while Trump continues to
get more racist by the day. You know, I don't
I'm not an expert on Wodrow Wilson. I mean, I
know what he did in terms of segregated things, and
you know, he made black people carry uh, you know,

(01:41:56):
identity cards into like post office and all of those
different types of things, airing breadth of nation and like.
But Trump is taking it outside of the outside of government.
You know, he's putting it into schools, into corporations, into
police forces. So it's it's it's a wide reaching net
in terms of what he's doing. He's not just limiting
limiting it to what the government is doing. And so

(01:42:16):
I don't see how anybody could deny that. I don't
see how anybody can argue with his racism. And too
many people are caving in right now and they're not
challenging it in ways that are sufficient. I love what
people are doing at the Pentagon, but since they can't
really speak up the way that they would like to,
I'm sure they're fighting behind closed doors. But we're gonna
have to keep fighting every single day and be vigilant
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Indeed, indeed, side, I just want people to understand you
have to understand the underpinning of one's argument to understand
how to count the argument. And everything that Tucker calls
and is focused on the last several years Fox News,
it's literally built on white grievance. From the beginning, it's
been white grievance. You go back instead of the history

(01:43:00):
conservative digital conservati Tik radio, it's white grievance. They love
saying black folks, you're playing the Oh, you're playing the victim.
They are the greatest victim playing folks. You can imagine
they believe right now that they are facing more racism
than black people. Yeah m hm, but it's more than
anybody else. Folks. Just beware, you're gonna see more of it.

(01:43:25):
So prepare yourselves real quick break and we come back.
We're gonna talk about how do you become a disruptor
in this society. You're watching Rolling Mark Unfiltered on the
Blackstar Network.

Speaker 21 (01:43:39):
This week on a Balanced Life, we are talking about
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so much is going on, from dealing with chaotic leadership,
trying to figure out how we're gonna work on these
ninety day hols, how to unburden ourselves from the things
that are happening in our lives, all the way through
knowing what it means and what it looks like to

(01:43:59):
just take the time to work on self.

Speaker 14 (01:44:01):
How much.

Speaker 25 (01:44:03):
Are you spending on wasteful movies like what Energy Audit?
Do you need to do on your personal time and
your personal life, because maybe some people don't need to
have that front seat perspective on your life. Maybe some
people need to be in a different position where they
don't cloud your view.

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And I would rolland Martin on the Future.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
The new book got called Flip the Tables, The Everyday
Disruptor's Guide to Finding courage and making Change. A Lindsia
Johnson describes her exploration of transformation, resistance, and self liberation.
She joins me, right now, glad to have you here. Now,
I ain't never really had a problem with disruption. I

(01:45:21):
came up the womb disrupting shit. So that's been the
case for the last fifty six years. So when you
describe disruption, what do you mean?

Speaker 12 (01:45:32):
Yeah, Look, I mean for someone like you Roland myself,
we have this courageous spirits to constantly disrupt the spaces
we're in what's true telling the reality is though, I
realized that there are so many people who want to
have impact in the world around us when you have
everything from you know, attacks on us as black people
and what's happening in the political world.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
And I took this question of how can.

Speaker 12 (01:45:56):
I create impact in the world and have and disrupt
the world around me to think about how can everybody
be an everyday change maker.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Not everybody has a huge platform like you do.

Speaker 12 (01:46:07):
Not everyone has the positions that I do in politics,
but we do have a sphere of influence in our communities.
And this book, the idea actually came from a time
when I myself needed some personal transformation, some disrupting of myself.
And so really the term disruption is something for us
to actually embrace. When we see something before us that

(01:46:28):
is no longer serving us, we need to destroy it
what they plan to build something better.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
And I think all of us have that in us,
and this book gives is that guide to that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Well, see is the mistake that I believe that many
people make. So there'll be somebody who goes, oh my goodness,
A Lindzia, you're right, I mean you said that, you know,
I don't have Roland's platform. Okay, so we've got one
point seventy six million subscribers, got it. We did start

(01:47:00):
with one point seven six millions.

Speaker 14 (01:47:02):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
When we in September of two thousand and seventeen, we
had seventy two thousand YouTube subscribers. When we launched the
show a year later with one hundred and fifty seven thousand,
we built to it. So what I am always trying
to remind people is I used Bishop Jakes's stop focusing

(01:47:28):
on the Potter's house, Bishop Jakes, and remember he was
digging ditches in West Virginia, wife had the family, they
were filling out food stamps. That was a time when
he wasn't preaching to a million people. He was trying
to preach to fifty people. And that's I think people
too often don't understand that no one who's quote big

(01:47:50):
actually started big. They had to actually start where they were,
which was small, and build from there.

Speaker 12 (01:47:58):
Look, I mean, Brolin, I actually agree with one hundred percent,
which is part of the reason I wrote this book,
and I wrote it in three sections. First, disruption of self,
so that we can find that courage to be our
authentic self, and give ourselves the courage and confidence it
takes to just get started, right, to just get started
posting a video on your Instagram for fifteen people to

(01:48:22):
speak up in a school board meeting. It might not
be in front of hundreds of thousands of people, but
it is in front of someone, and you continue to
build that muscle. And so, but that first starts with
us finding the way to find the courage in order
to be ourselves and go after what it is that
we care about, whether it is in our personal life
or a professional life, or the world around us. And

(01:48:42):
then we have to have this big vision disruption of vision,
which is connected to that confidence and that courage, and
then we're able to disrupt the community around us. And
to this point that you're making, I do talk about
some big examples of some amazing people in history and
folks that I have worked for whose names we know,
but I also talk about people like my grandmother, who,
while her name isn't necessarily in the history books, she

(01:49:04):
told me countless stories of when she would travel through
the South to hear doctor King's speech or participate in
movements right she talks about she talked to me about
when she was In the NNACP I talked to, I talked.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
About so many women who have started movements just by.

Speaker 12 (01:49:18):
Speaking out on social media, and then there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Have become followings of hundreds of thousands of.

Speaker 12 (01:49:23):
People wanting to challenge gun laws because our kids her
dying in schools.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
And there's an easy solution.

Speaker 12 (01:49:30):
If we fix the gun crisis in this country, we
might not have as many children die in school. And
so what you're saying is actually the ethos of this book.
We just have to have the courage to get out
there and also be okay with being misunderstood. The amount
of times people start in these what seems small places
and they get discouraged because other people don't understand what

(01:49:51):
they're doing. They tell them, oh, you'll never have a
big platform, or you'll never have a sphere of influence,
and that's where they get stuck and they stop. But
a disruptor keeps going because they know eventually people will
catch up. Eventually they will influence the right people, and
that their courage and they're they're continuing on the storytelling
piece is actually what is needed, especially in a moment

(01:50:13):
like this.

Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
There's a phrase that I use that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
I guess some frat brothers. They crack up when I
do this. Parking lot militants really get on my nerves.
Those are the people after the meeting, when you leave work,
y'all leaving the building, y'all in the parking lot, and man,
they got courage. All they talked about this and this

(01:50:40):
and this wrong and that's wrong. We need to fix this.
I don't know why he did, he did, she at whatever?
And so then you sitting at the grid with him,
you talking to him. And then the next day you
go to the office and you go to the meeting.
Now you come in and look you hyped, and then
you're bringing the stuff up. Then you look, you look
like you ain't gonna say nothing, And they asked they

(01:51:02):
I call them parking lot I cannot stand parking lot militants.

Speaker 5 (01:51:07):
I cannot stand people who.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Can diagnose the problem and all that in the parking lot,
but when it's time to put some skin in the
game and put on the line, they ask missing in action.

Speaker 12 (01:51:19):
Listen, I think, Roland, we know a lot of people
like that, right, and we get left out there by ourselves,
which is why I felt like it was so imperative
to figure out how do you build that spiritual fortitude to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Go at it alone when you are the only one
that is.

Speaker 12 (01:51:33):
Courageous enough to actually speak in that room, to actually
flip over that table, to play off the title of
the book, because they are going to be a lot
more critics or a lot more folks who, to your point,
are their parking lot militants. You know, I call them
the folks that sit in the stands and have only
had the courage to criticize. But you're the one in
the court by yourself, and so what do you need

(01:51:54):
to surround you as you are a trailblazer? What is
that spiritual fortitude that you need? Listen, Letsten, the story
of Jesus flipping over tables in the temple is actually
what inspired the title of the book, and so obviously
it talks a bit about my faith. What is that
spiritual connection and faith that you need to be that
person that actually walks the talk in those spaces when

(01:52:17):
it's not popular. We know so many folks that you
bring up in this on your show. So many people
in history, it wasn't popular for them to disrupt the
status quo. It wasn't popular for them to speak up.
It wasn't popular for them to risk every single thing
that they had, But in hindsight, the way that we
talk about them in history, they were the greatest disruptor ever,
so courageous, and we all would have followed them. No,

(01:52:40):
I want to get to the people so that they
have the courage to be that person, knowing that they
might go at it alone. But what is required for
this generation now in generations to come, is for us
to be that single voice sometimes that we have to be.
But if you think about it, Roland, I mean, I
think for me, what I bring into a lot of
these rooms is knowing that there are other people in

(01:53:02):
rooms who are by themselves and unfortunately, right do we
have to think about the club that way. But I
don't think that I am alone, because I know that
there are other courageous disruptors who are like you know what.
I have this one shot, this one moment. If I'm
able to say something, then hopefully that moves. If I'm
not invited back into the room, that's okay. But I
spoke truth to power, and what is required of me

(01:53:24):
in this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Moment required that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Before I go to questions for my panel, they're waiting
for some of these folks. I just I think what
is most troubling for me? And I try to so
many people they stop me wherever I go. Last week
I was in Jamaica. My twin nieces turned twenty one
and we had promised to take them there when they
were ten years old. And they were folks who were

(01:53:48):
stopping me. Man I got an idea and they got this,
And people are always saying, man, you know, what do
we do? Where do we start? And that was this
one brother.

Speaker 5 (01:53:55):
He was like, man, I just don't know and he
was all and I was like, stop.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
I said, what do you care about?

Speaker 5 (01:54:04):
And he's like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
I said, well, what's the one thing you care about?
I said, stop trying to focus on. And the phrase
I use is you can't think national if you don't
think state, state, city, city, neighborhood, neighborhood, block, street, street, house,
one person in the house. That's just a hold of

(01:54:25):
how I try to break it down. And I just
think what happens is people get frozen by being disruptors
because they keep seeing, oh, this problem is so insurmountable,
it is so huge, It is so big, And I
don't have a college degree, I don't have this, I

(01:54:45):
don't have following, I don't have any money, and they
go through all that sort of stuff. And I was
just with somebody the other day. They were talking about
the Montgomery bus boycot. I said, stop, why you keep
talking about three and eighty two days? I said, it
was a one day boycot. Then they say, let's go
for five. That's right after the fifth that they said,

(01:55:06):
let's keep it going. I say, y'all keep focusing on
the three eighty two. You ignoring the one. And I
just think that we have to get people to understand
to be a disruptor, you actually have to be thinking micro, yes,
not macro, small, not large.

Speaker 11 (01:55:23):
That's right.

Speaker 12 (01:55:24):
And that piece you say, and I talked about in
the book too, what is the one issue you care about?
Part of that's being connected to your values? Right, what
is it that we value and who was.

Speaker 11 (01:55:33):
It that we value?

Speaker 12 (01:55:33):
And how can we be in better community? And then
you do realize the thing that a lot of us
say all politics are local. You report of this all
the time, the amount of races at the local and
state level that are decided by less than one hundred people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
So when they're acting crazy in Washington, d C. There's
so much that you can do.

Speaker 12 (01:55:50):
In your local community if you care about one specific issue.
There are so many organizations, black led organizations that could
use folks just volunteer their time an hour or two
a week. And that's when this giant doesn't feel so
hard to defeat, and that's when you're able to start
instead of being paralyzed by the magnitude of so many

(01:56:12):
problems to solve. And so this thought of disruption and
starting local is also to get us focused and to
stay focused and continue along this path. And I'm glad
you brought up this thing about not as many resources,
because I give a lot of practical steps that don't
require a lot of resources. It's just some time and
a little bit of courage to get out of your

(01:56:33):
comfort zone, to get a little uncomfortable, right, because that's
what disruption is going to take. But there are so
many ways that we can shape the system. And if
there are more than one of us doing that, your
audience is watching. If ten thousand of you are thinking
of ten different local ways, actually, let me not even
say that two different local ways that you can get
in this and disrupt that is two times twenty thousand ways, right,

(01:56:57):
that is so many ways that can actually bulldoze and
move the tables that are standing in the way of progress.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
Well, I had Anthony give give me a shot at
the table. So I was talking to a brother who
was trying to he was in media, was trying to
start his own show, and he was you know, he
was like, you know, man, I see how you built
this a say stop, bro, I said. The first check
we got from a fan was a ninety two year

(01:57:25):
old black woman in Long Island, New York. I said,
she saw what the TV wants show. She said, hey,
I believe your voice matters. She gave a check, I said,
and so he said, you know, I got a This
is what he told me. He said, I got a
problem asking people for money. I said. First of all,

(01:57:47):
they don't have to give you anything. I said, but
if you ask and they do, that means that they're
buying into your vision. They're buying into what is you
want to achieve last night, and this is an these
people understand. This is not about this is not about
go take the shot. I mean, this is this is real.
This was just today. This is in the last three weeks.

(01:58:08):
All of it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:09):
These are just people.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
They don't believe in cashat PayPal, vin mozelle.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
But here's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
If we never built this, if we never worked at
it every single day, if we never just said y'all
keep plugging, then they would be buying into the vision.
And that's why keep telling people you have to when
you hit a phrase, if you build it, they will come.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
It's like anything.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
There's nothing that has ever happened in the history of
the world that did not start with an idea from
one person. One person that was never there's still such
thing as a group idea. A group don't come up
with one idea. No one person and said, say, man,
I was thinking about something, and then they said, and
all of a suddenly, like that's a good idea. They

(01:58:54):
might call a couple of other friends, all of a
sudden against the mushroom. The greatest failure and less Brown
told me this, he said, he said the he said,
the place with the biggest amount, he said, the place
with the largest number of great ideas are cemeteries, he said,

(01:59:15):
because people never actually took those ideas and acted upon them.
And that, to me, I think is one of the
greatest frustrations for a lot of people, they.

Speaker 5 (01:59:25):
Never act on it. They never.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
I should have said something, I should have Well, I
just you know, I should have did that. I should
have did that. My whole deal is, if it's in
your spirit to do it, you just got to go
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
That's right.

Speaker 12 (01:59:39):
I mean, look, Broland, I agree with you, and that
for me, writing this book is that piece of all
of these ideas that just die with people, right, that
could have liberated a whole community, right, that could have
started whole movements, and someone just decided to just get
started and operating with an urgency of Now, I believe
that our gifts are a loan for us, right, And

(02:00:01):
so the closer we get to our purpose, we understand that.
I do believe that God has created us to be
connected with one another, with advanced society. And when you
understand that purpose, you do move with a sense of
urgency to get that vision out there and understand that.
You know what, even if only ten people are on

(02:00:22):
board with it, that's more than just myself that are
going out there with this vision. And maybe i won't
see the full fruits of this labor, but I've already
started to plant the seed, and it will give birth
to something even beyond what I can potentially see. But
it is what is required for us right now. And
I want more people to be inspired to get up

(02:00:44):
and act and continue to keep going and understand that look.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
You might not make. You will not make every shot
you take right.

Speaker 12 (02:00:52):
Use the sports analogy, but you kind of keep going
and the batting average gets better with the more shots
that you take right. Every single thing that you've done,
everything something that I've done, hasn't been a huge success
by society standpoints, but they are proof points that we
can actually do something. You can put something out there
and it gives us more confidence to try in public

(02:01:12):
and putting a vision out there and asking people to
buy into it and be part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
On a congo, I'm gonna go to you first. What
blows me away as when I meet people and they say, man,
I ran for office after watching your show. That somebody
says a brother, I mean, I was in the airport
and I can't remember he said, he said, brother, thank you.
I was like, appreciate. I mean when they do that,
I know what they're talking about. He said, no, no, no,

(02:01:37):
he said, I went to college because of you, because
something that you said as a brother last night, he
pledged out for they crossed last night and his brother
was His brother was in tears because he said he's
a Jamaican immigrant. He said he never felt accepted in
this country as it as it as a black immigrant,
as a black man until he started watching my TV

(02:01:58):
one show and he recounted this story to his line
brothers and he was just in tears. I'm saying that
to somebody is that you don't know, you never know
who you're talking to, and you never know how what
you say and what you do will be received by
somebody else. But it's guarantee that you never open your
damn mouth, You'll never be able to touch somebody. I'm

(02:02:19):
a congo.

Speaker 14 (02:02:20):
Go ahead.

Speaker 10 (02:02:22):
Congratulations with Jonson on the publication of your book. I'm
really looking forward to diving into it. I was on
a podcast today and a person who's the host asked
me about books I would recommend for young people.

Speaker 11 (02:02:35):
So my question is what age level would you say
this book is for.

Speaker 10 (02:02:39):
I'm a college professor, but I also deal with high
school students, and they're like, could they also glean some
lessons from your new book?

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
Listen?

Speaker 12 (02:02:46):
I do think some of the content in the book
might be a bit mature, but definitely college students. I
made sure to actually include some of my college experience,
especially when I rollins and talking about him pledging out
he's a member of Alpha Alpha. I don't know of
Delta Sigma Theta sorority incorporated. And I was an overachiever
and I wanted to be excel at every single thing

(02:03:07):
academics and every single thing as well in my extra curriculars.
But I was burned out, and I ended up talking
about when I had to. I had a mental breakdown
and was hospitalized before my senior year in high school.
And I actually, excuse me, in college, and so I
talk about the ways that we are able to move
through the world releasing some pressure on ourselves, particularly as

(02:03:30):
black students. And so I think it is best fit
for college students, and then obviously young adults and even
some of our peers here. But this question has also
been raised several times on the book tour, and I said, Okay,
we need to do a young reader's edition because a
lot of our high school brothers and sisters could actually
use this encouragement, especially as they have a lot of

(02:03:51):
energy to navigate a world that needs more courageous disruptors.

Speaker 14 (02:03:56):
Thank you, my sorrow.

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
I am so happy to see you here, happy to
learn about your book, for looking at it, reading it,
and to marinating it, because I think that a whole
lot of what's going on, but especially black women these days,
is that sisters are holding themselves to extraordinarily high standards.

(02:04:25):
And those high standards we can't always meet, you know,
we can always meet them. We have stuff going on,
juggling on, etcetera. I just had to put an email
on my family website. Everybody has gone actually by Mama,
my aunties, and they said, so, who's the elder?

Speaker 8 (02:04:44):
I'm like me?

Speaker 4 (02:04:45):
And I said, oh no, that's all right.

Speaker 7 (02:04:47):
Somebody else can have that.

Speaker 4 (02:04:50):
I don't act like an elder, so my babies who
acts the elder could have it. But what do we
say when we flip the script and we talk about
self care? In these times? Self care is different than
it was four years ago, but it's almost the same.
And maybe we talked about wood Joe Wilson, what do

(02:05:13):
you say about these times which are very different and
challenging times? And how many would a million people who
get laid off from the FIBs. You know, what do
we say to people, how do we flip the script
to lift people up?

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
Well, thank you by sir Roy Soromealvo for that question.

Speaker 12 (02:05:32):
I actually have a chapter in the book, chapter seven,
about less really is more and disrupting the notion of
the strong black woman trop for the girl Boss, and
how that actually hasn't served so many of us when
we see, unfortunately, the suicide rates among women going up,
among black people going up, and just really dismantling society
and the way that capitalism has forced us to understand

(02:05:57):
what success and worthiness looks like.

Speaker 2 (02:05:59):
Right, And it's so divine that this book came.

Speaker 12 (02:06:03):
Out after the twenty four election, and I was actually
editing it towards the end of the election, which I
don't know how it was doing that which trying to
at least take care of myself, and Alice Walker's quote
came to me where she said, you have to keep
a healthy soul to face constant oppression. And what that
looks like for each individual is going to be different.

(02:06:25):
But in order for us to continue to face the
constant oppression, that isn't going to change with just one
election cycle. It's not going to change actually just because
of electoral politics with the figure out how to sustain
ourselves within this.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
But we also have to as disruptors, understand the very.

Speaker 12 (02:06:42):
Real pain that is day to day the trauma that
is inflicted upon it, and some of that is actually
naming it for what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
You mentioned the federal workers.

Speaker 12 (02:06:51):
I live in the DMV area where majority of black
people are federal workers. This is a traumatic experience that
people are talking about. And so how do you create
community right amongst each other? Because I'm also realizing we
don't know what real community is looking like. It's not
necessarily social media. I look at the way that my
grandmother and the elders of my family built community to

(02:07:14):
take care of one another while we were facing all
of this oppression. And I may not be able to
take time off, or I may not be able to
really have actual deep rest while I'm working ten twelve
hours a day under this regime that's trying to take care.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
Of my job.

Speaker 12 (02:07:30):
But what does it look like for my community to
take care of me and for me to ask for
that help. So I actually spend a lot of time
touching on these issues because it's incredibly important for us
to take care of ourselves physically, mentally, in our soul
in order to face what is happening.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
In very real time.

Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
Ben.

Speaker 9 (02:07:50):
I hear in your last few words you would that
we would prosper and be in good health even as
our soul prospers. And I feel that energy come from
you as you speak, and I'm looking forward to reading
the book, But I am curious to what you were
just saying a moment ago about the traumatic experiences that
so many American Black Americans are experiencing right now, particularly

(02:08:13):
the federal workers. How do you see your voice and
not only your book, but all of the other efforts.
I hear your critique of capitalism in there. I hear
the nuances that you have in terms of the regime
that we're living under and the impact that that has.
Are you, how do you feel your calling, your ministry,
and your book and your role as a disruptor plays

(02:08:37):
into bringing more attention to that and help fostering and
building that community that we need.

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
Thank you, Thank you for that.

Speaker 7 (02:08:44):
Well.

Speaker 12 (02:08:44):
I believe that this book, as well as a lot
of the other work that I do to amplify so
many of the issues, creates the conversation that so many
do not have the platforms to do that, and it's
such a time as this, And it's interesting because and
I've known Roland for for many years and many iterations
of my career and the choice to be an entrepreneur,

(02:09:05):
I'm an accidental entrepreneur in political and advocacy spaces also
has allowed for me to have a freedom of voice
in a way that so many of our brothers and
sisters do not have. And so how do I stand
in the gap and speak true to power in the
ways in which they are not able to?

Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
How am I able to sit on some of these
panels that are extremely privileged.

Speaker 12 (02:09:26):
When I was on a panel on a major network
and there was a Republican that repeated the talking points
of people have to feel the pain just a little
bit for us to get America back to where it
needs to be, and I said, hold on, wait a minute.
All of us are sitting here in this beautiful New
York studio, and everybody around this table can afford twelve
dollars a dozen eggs, but the people who are feeling

(02:09:48):
this pain can't even decide whether or not they are
going to pay their light bill or provide lunch for
their kids because now our schools no longer have free
lunch programs.

Speaker 2 (02:10:00):
Is it courageously?

Speaker 12 (02:10:01):
It is important for me to use those positions to
uplift those stories of people who are actually scared and
vulnerable in this moment in spaces where no one's thinking
about that, right where we're having this highbrow, educated conversation
and we want to theorize things. But these are people's lives,
and so I believe that is my calling right now,
while also sharing with folks this playbook that will guide

(02:10:24):
them as they're trying to navigate this very uncertain time
that we're in and this critical moment I think in
our history where it's requiring us to do things that
we had never thought that we possibly had to do.
But they also feel as though that they have a
partner in this and that they have someone who was
amplifying what it is that they're going through on a
daily basis.

Speaker 1 (02:10:43):
Last question for you, I asked this question that every author,
what was their wow moment when writing or researching this book?

Speaker 5 (02:10:50):
Something that caused them to even go wow? Either forgot
that or I didn't think about that, or man, that
thing that blew.

Speaker 14 (02:10:57):
Me away.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
Roland. Honestly, it was.

Speaker 12 (02:11:02):
There's a chapter in the book where I talk about
the power of storytelling, and to this conversation you were
having about the macro versus the micro, I'm talking about
it in a very macro way. And as I'm writing
into the book, I end up disclosing a lot of
my own personal story connected to the topic that I'm
talking about. And I didn't realize how powerful it was
for me to really talk about the process it took

(02:11:24):
for me to be courageous enough to share this story
amongst my family, and how much more powerful it is
for us to share these stories with our loved ones
and in our communities versus just hearing about them in
the media and TV and film. And I was surprised
at how vulnerable I was, but how much more courage
and confidence I have and being that vulnerable and sharing

(02:11:45):
my own story, which is I think the key to
be a disruptor, right and having your story and telling
your story doesn't require any money. It actually just requires
you to get a little bit uncomfortable, but have confidence
and that your story it can open up so much
in your.

Speaker 2 (02:12:02):
Community and beyond.

Speaker 12 (02:12:03):
And that was that was a transformative moment for me, Roland,
and I even reading the audiobook back to myself, I
was moved myself to tears that I couldn't believe that
my own story had that much power on myself.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
All right, folks, pull the book up. The book is
called Flip the Tables. That's right, you see it right
there by Lindsia Johnson. Y'all be sure to get it out. Lindsay,
we appreciate you joining us on the show.

Speaker 5 (02:12:30):
Thanks a lot, Thanks for having men folks.

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
That is it for us. Let me think. First of all,
let me shout out Fayvuel State University. Their colors are
blue and white, but they gave me this black and
gold shirt, so I appreciate that when we were there
last year. So we're shaking your head for Julian.

Speaker 5 (02:12:48):
Look you know you know it's only one fraternity.

Speaker 4 (02:12:50):
No, why I'm shaking my head? Why don't you kind
of that will be then, Roland, it tells me what
it gives you, a black Come on now, brother.

Speaker 1 (02:12:58):
What's the problem. Why?

Speaker 5 (02:13:00):
First of all, you can't hate on daddy.

Speaker 14 (02:13:05):
Daddy, you bro.

Speaker 5 (02:13:07):
You can't hate even when you pledged, Even when you.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
Pledged long ago, when y'all had to recite the Greek alphabet.

Speaker 5 (02:13:17):
You had to start with alpha.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
We started with delts that means y'all can't spell we
start with delta.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
No, that means y'all can't spell.

Speaker 4 (02:13:26):
Delta because delta comes first.

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
Noo. No, actually, actually you don't come first. You ain't
the first black college Greek organization. You're not even the
first black sorority. So come on now, stopping calm yourself.
Calm yourself. You're not calm yourself, You're not. I'm very
stop hating on the fact that Favuel State hooked me

(02:13:48):
up with this black and gold shirt just like itwa Waters.
They gave me one as well, so I'll rock that
one next week on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:13:56):
Give you none, give you none.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
You enjoy what you got, darling. Please you know dog
on well, I can go through the delta signal fated convention.

Speaker 5 (02:14:07):
I'm more popular than you. Don't even start. Don't get
me started. Don't get me started.

Speaker 1 (02:14:13):
You know you know you want to.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
You just you just like ation for a fight today.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
No, look, I just shouted our fair yeod State. You
do want to shake in your head. I said it
was black and gold.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
I shook my head.

Speaker 4 (02:14:28):
You decided to take my hand shaken as to well
you well.

Speaker 5 (02:14:32):
You should not have had a response. Then just ship there,
Just sit there and be stoic as possible. I'm a congo.
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
Past the big yeah, yeah, uh whatever, past the bed,
thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (02:14:47):
Uh uh.

Speaker 1 (02:14:48):
And that child who's a Delta, no fool, well she
got about down the Alpha Julian. Thanks lot as well.
Y'all don't forget if y'all want to join our Bring
the Funk fan Club. Y'all want to join these folks
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(02:16:57):
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So thanks a bunch of folks, and we'll see y'all
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Shout to Fairuel State Waters University. I wear y'all stuff.
Next let's see were on the road. I'll wear it
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A real revolution there right now.

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Thank you for being the voice of Black amaranon.

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Moment that we have.

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