Environmental Justice Eliminated, Ill. AG Stops Teacher Prep Cuts, School Choice Debate

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Today's Thursday, March thirteenth, twenty twenty five, coming up on
roland Mark on Flipping streaming live on the Black Start Network.
I told y'all Donald Trump and MAGA they detest black people.
His Environmental Protection Agency is shutting down the division that
it helps low income communities overwhelm.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
By pollution, by pollution.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
We started joined by doctor Mastapha santie.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Ile, who used to work at the EPA, to.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Talk about the devastating impact this is going to have
on black communities. Will Democrats in the Senate stand firm
and vote against the Republicans continuing resolution. A lot of
people are putting pressure on them to do so. We'll
talk about that right here on today's show. The Illinoistorney
General has successfully fought against the propment of education as

(01:12):
a tip to cut off millions of dollars in grants
to train and support new teachers. Kamin Raoul will join
us on the show. We'll also examine the partment educations
reaching custody, what they mean for those receiving financial assistance
and those who look to pay off student loans. The
issue of school choice continues to spark a heated debates.
You'll hear from a black Texas state representative on the topic,

(01:34):
as well as insights from Pennsylvania congress Woman in Summer Lee,
who argues that the school choice agenda being pushed by
conservatives will only expand existing inequalities.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Folks, it's a lot we got to break down.

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Speaker 1 (02:46):
Earlier in the week, we told you Donald Trump's Department
of Justice they stopped the lawsuit against a petrochemical company
in Louisiana's Cancer Alley that is one hundred and thirty
miles stretch and is home to more than two hundred
plastic manufacturing plants, chemical facilities, and all refineries. They released
hazardous emissions that have had a devastating impact on the

(03:08):
health of residents.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Including lots of black people.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well, guess what now, Trump's Environmental Protection Agency ain't protecting
black people because they're shutting down their environmental Justice division.
DODR Santiago Elite jonesus right now of course, former worker
with the Environmental Justice Department at the EPA. And the reality,

(03:31):
moustaff is that Warren County in North Carolina, we were
there a couple of years ago with Michael Reagan had
the EPA. You were there as well. That is the
birthplace of environmental justice. When we talk about environmental justice,
this was created by black people, Black people in North
Carolina in the nineteen seventies where the state illegally disposed
of six thousand truckloads of contaminated soil that caused cancer

(03:54):
chemicals to just infiltrate a low income black community. Well,
as a result of this decision here, you're not going
to have the protections. This is a part of maga's
attack on DEI. Anything that says in a justice uh,
you know, diversity, equity, inclusion doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
They're getting rid of.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I keep saying this when became the cancer alley,
when it came to this other stuff, these folks do
not give a damn about black people. And you know
who's Silent Gustafa, Tim Scott, Byron Donald's, Wesley Hunt, and
all of those black all those negroes who were dancing
with the White House Black History Model reception. They have

(04:34):
said nothing about any of this.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Yeah, and it's it's it's unfortunate that they haven't because
I'm sure that they have family members or other folks
whom they know who come from these communities, who come
from these sacrifice zones. And this current administration is placing
a cross hair on the lives of black folks and
they're creating the additional sacrifice zones that will be there.

Speaker 8 (04:57):
So all those are words that get your attention, but
what does that really mean.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
We know that in our communities that we have elevated
levels of cancer because of the exposures to many of
these toxic chemicals that are coming out. We also know
that many of our communities were pushed because of redlining
and restrictive covenances and all these different tools that were
used to put us in certain areas and then to
pull back the protections that were necessary to pull back

(05:22):
the resources for infrastructure. So now you have individuals with cancers,
liver and kidney diseases, with all kinds of lung diseases
and breathing difficulties with asthma. We got twenty four million
folks in this country of asthma, and we look as
disproportionately black folks and brown folks are the ones or
are going to the emergency rooms and the ones who
are dying prematurely. There is literally when I first started

(05:43):
doing this work, there were just a handful of studies
that were out there. There are now thousands of studies
that talk about the disproportionate impacts that are happening to
our most vulnerable communities, these people who are on the
front lines. So when they say one thing we have
to clear up is that environmental and DEI are two
completely different things. But they like to just throw environmental

(06:05):
justice on the end of executive orders and these other things.

Speaker 8 (06:08):
That they're doing. The other thing is that they have
no plan.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Administrations often come in and they may have a different
set of priorities and a different set of ways.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
Of getting at them.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
But you don't just leave people vulnerable by these cuts
that you're making that literally are life and death cuts.
The individuals who work in environmental justice work and the
ones who work in the office have built relationship with
communities for decades. And why that is important Roland is
because people for the longest time didn't pay attention to

(06:36):
these communities. They literally left them out there by themselves.
They left them to be sacrificed. And it just took
years to be listened to make sure that people understood
that folks were serious and that they were going to
stick and stay with you to help you to be
able to move from surviving to thriving.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That people really need to understand is that we're talking
about regular, ordinary people who are being impacted by landfills,
by environmental racism. And here's the problem. The problem for
Republicans Maga and Trump, they don't believe in any of this.
They don't believe that racism exists. They don't actually believe

(07:18):
that black parts of this country, low income areas are
purposely targeted by these companies to serve as dumping ground.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
For their chemicals.

Speaker 8 (07:30):
Yeah, it's true, but they don't want to believe it. Right,
the science is there, there's a reason why there is
an attack on science.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
There is also a reason why they are attacking these
frontline communities, these environmental justice communities.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
And let me just unpack that for you.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
These are the.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
Individuals who have been standing up to the petrochemical companies,
to all of these various types of businesses and industries
and companies that are been playing a role in the
climate crisis. And what they've done is they know that
if they can begin to get rid of the protections
for these communities where those facilities are, then those facilities

(08:05):
can maximize profit.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
They also know that if they can address what's going on.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Here and continue to weaken these communities, that they can
also still continue to move forward on the sum you know,
fighting against the climate crisis that's currently going on.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
So this is a very well.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Thought out set of actions that they're doing. People just
really need to understand the game that's going on. So
first you discredit what's going on in these communities and
you say that they are not being impacted, that their
lives are not being shortened. Then you take the money away,
you cut all these grants that you see them doing
so that folks can't have the capacity to be able

(08:42):
to get the information that they need to be able
to push back against these injustices that are currently going on.
Then you get rid of the folks who work inside
of these agencies so that they can no longer support
you and they can no longer move the grants whenever
the you know, these judges say you can't just cut
these funds for no reason. You've got to live up

(09:03):
to the commitments that you've made with these contracts and
grants and cooperative agreements. And then, you know, it just
continues to play out more and more, and folks need
to pay attention because what's happening to black communities now
will be coming to your community and not so distant future.
You know, people got all up in arms and they
should when well, when the trained derailment happened in East Palestine,

(09:26):
why do I bring that into our conversation, Because the
chemicals that hit that white community, that lower wealth, working
class white community are similar communities that have been going
on in Cancer Rally for twenty or thirty years.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
So we've got to make sure one that everyone is protected.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
But we've got to put, you know, a very intentionality
in how we are addressing these long term impacts that
are happening in these black communities in places like Cancer
Rally all throughout really the Gulf Coast and a number
of other locations across our country.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
This is a perfect example of what we're always saying.
Elections have consequences, and so we're talking about one being
able to go after these companies in these areas, we're
talking about folks being able to sue. There's so many
ramifications here that people don't really understand what happens if
black neighborhoods become dumping grounds.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
The federal governments basically said.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Hey, whatever, we don't care because they're shutting down all
ten of the regional offices.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yeah, so you know, there's a couple of different dynamics
that are going on.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
So today they actually said they're going to start bringing
back some of the folks in some of the regional offices.
Nobody knows exactly what that looks like at what level,
and move people around to do other jobs, which you've
got to be laser focused on environmental justice because that's
where you know, many of the just the injustices are happening.

(10:55):
But when we look at the criminal cases that are
going on, the civil cases that are going on, when
we look at a number of the different sets of impacts,
these are the areas that most need the focus. These
are also the areas because I also help run the
Enforcement division at one time. These are also the areas
where you get some of the biggest bang for your
buck if you're serious about trying to make sure that

(11:16):
we have cleaner air and cleaner water. So we need
to understand what's happening on the regional side of the equation,
and we also need to make sure that we're understanding
what's happening at headquarters, because both of them are critically
important making sure that you have that full safety net
for the communities that have been unseen and unheard and
disinvested in for decades.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Again, people just don't realize how significant this is going on.
All of this is. I mean, it's so much that
we can break down here. I want to bring my
panel recent covert hosts of the Recita Covid Show on
Serius XM Radio out of Washington, DC, Doctor Greg Carr,
Department of Back for Americas, that is Howard University, hosts
of The Black Table the Blackstar Network, also out of DC.

(12:02):
Jade Mappis, Jaye Matthis law firm out of Washington, d C.
Let They have all three of you here, Greg, I
want to start with you comment but also a question
we have one for Mustafa he and.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
It's always good to eat, brother and stuff, and we
need this level of specificity and expertise at this moment.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (12:23):
Rereading that chapter in Project twenty twenty five, you laid
it out beautifully.

Speaker 10 (12:26):
Brother.

Speaker 9 (12:27):
This is all about business and money and they don't
want anybody in their way. Question, since we know that
they are trying to withdraw into themselves, you know, disengage
with the entire world across the spectrum, including on this issue,
how do you see other countries stepping in, stepping up,
forming different relationships alliances in this moment.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean, you've got a.

Speaker 8 (12:51):
Couple of different dynamics that are going on.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
So you've had some relationships underneath of the environmental justice
paradigm that have been built with some African countries who
are also you know, the fossil fuel industry, you know,
has moved into those spaces and now they're seeing some
of the impacts and those countries are trying to balance
out because folks have stripped away, you know, many of

(13:13):
the opportunities and stripped away a lot of natural resources.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
So you've got that dynamic when you come up to
the climate level.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
You know, when you have the president who removes himself
from the Paris Climate Agreement and many of these, you know,
important sets of treaties and other types of things. A
part of that also is vulnerable communities that are inside
of there. So that is also not just removing people
from the work that needs to happen to address the
climate crisis, but also the vulnerable communities are being impacted,

(13:42):
one from the storms and these extreme weather events, but
also from the impacts that that happened from exposure to
these toxic chemicals. So Greg, you've got you know, you've
got this double whammy thing that's going on. But there
are folks who are stepping up. You've got Brazil and
other places who are stepping up.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Thank you, Racie Alwa's good to be with you.

Speaker 11 (14:06):
Mustapfha. I'm curious about your what do you think the
impact with this will be on the pipeline In terms
of this industry, We're seeing this administration hollowing out various industries.
I know there are reports about them potentially looking to
cut fifty percent of NASA's budget, which will decimate the
aerospace industry. So I'm curious if part of this is

(14:28):
to not just have an immediate impact in terms of
the environmental justice work being done, but also to get
people to perhaps reconsider going into the field around environmental
justice and climate change work.

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Yeah, thank you Recie for that. You know, let's let's
unpack that in two different ways. So one is the
fact that you know, all.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
These kids who are out in these communities are now
dealing with or going to get these additional exposures right,
and these exposures have all kinds of problems with the
neurological problems that come from certain exposures to certain chemicals.
Makes it more difficult to learn, which means that more
than likely you may not make it to college, so
you may not become an engineer or a scientist, or

(15:12):
a lawyer or a number of different positions that are
incredibly necessary. So it has these direct impacts inside of
our communities. When it comes to the agency, there is
an intergenerational paradigm that's so critically needed because you're going
to have those folks who have been around for twenty
or thirty years who are going to end up retiring
in a natural cycle, and then you have these younger

(15:34):
people who learn from folks who have been there, so
that they're prepared to be able to continue the work
and expand the work and take it to a whole
other level because they're bringing all kinds of additional information
you know, that comes through innovation and ingenuity. So you
also break that bridge, if you will, so they understand
this dynamic when you see them going after folks who

(15:55):
are probation area and many times those are younger people
who are you know, about being able to give back
to their country, to take that oath and to do
work that is protective.

Speaker 8 (16:06):
So you take that, you take that part out.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
And then of course when you look at EJ and
they're different, all kinds of different folks who have been
working on EJ at different percentages, you know, it helps
to make sure that it's fully integrated.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
So there's intentionality in you know, these cuts that they're.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
Making, understanding that not only in this moment doesn't have impacts,
but it has impacts for decades to come.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Vay, yeah, and thank you for having me Roland.

Speaker 12 (16:35):
So for three years I worked with the National Institute
of Health and I worked on there all of US
research program and we travel to marginalized communities, particularly in
states Southern states like Texas, Mississippi, North Carolina where there
are a lot of health and facts you said, who
live in those environments and that have those politic communities, right,
And I saw firsthand how many people were diagnosed with cancer,

(16:57):
how many babies were diagnosed with asthma, right, and unfortunately,
as you said as well, how many psychological conditions. And
what we were doing at that time was working with
physicians and clinicians and researchers to find cures for these conditions.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Right.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
That's precision medicine for our community.

Speaker 12 (17:14):
But one of the main things that I noticed during
that is that we already know there's a big, you know,
huge mistrust in our community when it comes to medicine
and physicians and that type of thing. Do you think
that this just made it the mistrust even worse with
those states are our community and marginalized community, Oh, without
a doubt.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
I mean, you know, again, it takes time to build trust.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
And once you've severed that trust, we know how easy
it is right to no longer have faith in the government,
whether you're talking about the federal government, the state government,
or local governments. So they understand that all of these
cuts that they're making. When I say cuts, not just
cuts the budgets. I want you to think about it
in each of every aspect of a relationship with a government.

(17:59):
They know what they're doing, so not only does it
break the trust, but it also is going to impact
long term people's health because if you really start to
unpack this stuff, and Roland is one of the only
places that is actually talking about environmental injustice environmental racism
of all the media networks that are out there, and

(18:21):
they're making a big mistake by not focusing here because
you also see that they're making cuts to a number
of the universities and research entities as well. And if
they can do that, that means that when you know,
black folks and brown folks bring information forward through community
based knowledge that now folks no longer also can help

(18:44):
to validate that through some of the universities because many
communities don't have the capacity to do full out, you know,
multi year studies, so they understand this game that they're doing.
And of course it's also related to other issues. But
environmental justice talks about economics, talks about transportation, talks about housing,

(19:05):
talks about our public health. It talks about even though
it's not an official component of it about generational wealth
because they know that if they can devalue the land,
then our people you can no longer afford sometimes to
be there.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
Can't afford the additional infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
So then they have the ability, as we see with
the stock market stuff that's going on, for people to
then be able to swoop in and purchase the land
for cheap because they.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
Know our housing values won't go in.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
They know that if you're poisoning the land, that our
folks who are traditionally folks who grew their own food
can no longer grow their own food because they're now
planning stuff in toxic lands. So we've just got to
understand since the whole totality of what's going on and
help people also to understand not just the impact side
of this equation, but also the opportunity side of the equation.

(19:58):
We need to be highlighting all these amazing organization, some
for years with shoe strings, that have been able to
make real change happen. And the only the last you know,
in the last administration was the first time there was
ever any significant resources that actually went back into our communities,
our tax dollars actually making it back into our communities

(20:18):
because for decades upon decades before then, people were poisoning
us and at the.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
Same time extracting dollars out of our community. So you know,
we've got a chance now.

Speaker 7 (20:29):
To really put a spotlight on what's going on, both
the injustice side of what this administration is doing, but
also highlight all the amazing folks on the ground who've
been able to make some positive moves and positive change.
But you know, if you continue to just place these
types of burdens on people's backs, eventually, you know, even

(20:50):
though we are resilient people, we can only do.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
But so much. Indeed, indeed, we were there of course,
like covering that huge announcement that Michael Reagan made. We're
the only national outlet there that was actually livestream in
that particular event. And yeah, it doesn't get any attention.
I can guarantee you the shutting down of these offices
won't get any attention on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS.

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And this goes to show you why it's important to
have black on media to amplify this particular issue, because
we were impacted and as I keep saying, all of
these pro life conservatives It's amazing how you can't find
them anywhere. So they don't care if these black people
are dying, these low income people are dying because they
don't care about life. But they care about are the

(21:40):
profits of all of these major companies. And that's all
Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Republicans care about. They
don't care about the economy, they don't care about they
don't care about the environment. It's all about how can
these companies just rape the land and do whatever they
want to without any consequence to the to our air
quality or.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Our water quality or our soil quality. As simple as that.
So we stopfold appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Thank you, folks.
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Civil war in this country.

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But on our next show we'll talk to a noted
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People carrying the Confederate flag, wearing sweatshirts saying maga civil War.

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There's a massive teacher shortage in the United States and
they move by MAGA and Doe is going to make
this worse. The Department of Education last month abruptly caught
off millions of dollars in grants meant to train and
support new teachers. This directly impacts schools, universities, and aspiring educators,
especially in areas like math, science and special education. Now,
a group of state attorneys general, including Illinois Attorney General

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Kwame Role, they found a lawsuit in security court order
to block the cuts. Whether the case proceeds, Kwame Roll
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Glad to have him here. A g row first and foremost.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The impetus, your impetus and the other AG's for following
this lawsuit.

Speaker 20 (26:56):
Well, first off, it's a continuation of illegal act by
the federal government. Federal government Ovarya. Certainly they have a
right to to govern, but Congress has enacted certain legislation

(27:16):
to to allow for the Department of Education UH to
offer grants such as these Teacher Quality Partnership grants. You know,
one in eight teachers teacher positions are either vacant or
filled by uncertified teachers. So the investment in training a

(27:42):
pipeline of teachers UH is a critical investment, certainly for
communities in the state of Illinois, throughout throughout the country.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
UH. And again the country has made Willy Nelly as
if we don't have a serious need UH to incentivize
folks to teach.

Speaker 19 (28:03):
Yeah, that's right. This is you know, they're there are
certain universities.

Speaker 20 (28:07):
You know, you've been in Chicago before, so you know
Chicago State University, University of Illinois, Chicago DePaul University are
partnering with school districts to make sure that they're they're
training teachers and given teachers are hands on experience, and
some of our most vulnerable school district you know, these

(28:28):
actions that are being taken are having dramatic impact on
our on our most vulnerable citizens are our young students.
And UH, I'm I'm fine with the government efficiency, tighten up,
tighten up your belt, but disinvest in different disinvesting where
investment is needed most is not.

Speaker 19 (28:49):
It's not a wise approach to government.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So you have a tipperary hole right now. It is
obviously going to make its way publicans. Their whole goal
is for everything to go to the United States Supreme Court.
That's really what their aim is because they think the
conservative the sixth three conservative majority, is going to a
rule of their favor favorite time.

Speaker 20 (29:11):
Well, well yeah, rollings thrown up as much against the wall.
You know, they've made clear their intention. In fact, we
filed another lawsuit today to fight the effective dismantling of
the Department of Education. They've done these mass reduction in
forces that undermines the ability for the Department of Education

(29:36):
to function. So they're trying everything in an illegal manner.
It's important to note that this is an illegal manner.
There's a separation of powers. Congress created the Department of Education.
The executive branch cannot just by way of reduction and force,
take apart what Congress put put in place.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
So next steps and what do you want from the
public to do?

Speaker 19 (30:06):
Well, the public to be alerted.

Speaker 20 (30:09):
Part of the problem with all of these actions, Roland,
is that it creates a lot of confusion for the public.
What the Trump administration is doing. They're giving everybody somebody
to hate, whether it's who's on your sports team, who's
in your bathroom, whether it's blaming somebody of color for
you not having an opportunity in a higher education institution

(30:34):
or on the job, or blaming an immigrant. They're focusing
so much so many people on hating somebody else that
people are not realizing on how they're realizing how they're
being harmed.

Speaker 19 (30:46):
Everybody relies on the Department of Education.

Speaker 20 (30:50):
Everybody should have an interest in making sure they're adequate
a number of teachers to teach our students. Everybody should
make sure that we have a Department of Education and
make sure that people who are apply for financial aid
can have their financial aid process. To make sure that
people who may feel that they're being discriminated against can
rely on the Office of Civil Rights within the Department

(31:11):
of Education to redress their claims. But if you've laid
off all the people there, that's not going to happen.
So that's effectively taking away the Department of Education. If
they want to take away the Department of Education, they've
got to do so through Congress. But I don't think
they would have the votes to do so, so they're
effectively trying to do it this way. So I want

(31:31):
people to be alerted by the ways that they're being hurt.
And this is not I'm a Democrat, but not just Democrats.
This administration is hurting Republicans just as many, just as
much as they're hurting Democrats.

Speaker 19 (31:44):
And I just want people to wake up and be aware.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Absolutely absolutely as good to my panel questions for the
Attorney General Jay you first, Gay, I can hear you
the you.

Speaker 12 (32:05):
So I do have a question, what do you think
do you think that they're considering the fact that they
always are Again, it's you know, it's a known fact
that a lot of people say, we have some of
the we're not our math and science scores right, our
students are not able, the reading levels are not competitive
right to other countries, and this administration emphasizes that a lot.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
So do you think that's something that they factored in
that if you're cutting.

Speaker 12 (32:26):
The student and you don't have the teachers who are
trained to teach in these areas, and you have the
larger class sizes where these students aren't able to get
the education that we need to be competitive.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
In that area.

Speaker 12 (32:38):
What does that look like on the other side, And
you know, when you're talking about areas like you said
in Chicago, I'm from Detroit, Detroit public schools. When you're
talking about those type of environments already affected by the
large class sizes, what does that do to those communities
and those test scores.

Speaker 19 (32:52):
Yeah, you raised a good point.

Speaker 20 (32:54):
We obviously have an education gap within country, but we
have a global education gap as well, and to the
extent that we disinvest in education, it will make things worse.
It'll make things worse. For the education gap within country,
those with means will simply go to private schools and
be able to educate their kids, while those who do

(33:17):
not have means will continue to suffer as a result
of us not having an adequate number of teachers to
teach them.

Speaker 19 (33:23):
But on the global education gap, it will certainly make
it worse.

Speaker 15 (33:31):
RACI thank you Tanyan General for being here and for
your leadership.

Speaker 11 (33:36):
How much of this administration's success in terms of the
messaging around education and the shortcomings has been in convincing
people that you know, it's things like woke and other
culture war type of things that are the problem as
opposed to, as you just put it, the disinvestment that

(33:58):
we've seen in our education system.

Speaker 15 (34:00):
And how do you think that part of these lawsuits
can help combat that?

Speaker 19 (34:05):
Yeah, I think I think you're absolutely right. There's there's a,
you know, a game being.

Speaker 20 (34:12):
Played to shift people's attention away from the harms that
are being perpetrated by this administration. So they want to
focus on the minimal number of people who may be
on a on a sports team, who may be transgender,
or you know, who may be in the bathroom, instead

(34:33):
of whether or not we're investing enough in educating our kids.
And these individuals in the administration have other means to
educate their kids. Meanwhile, the masses, including again including those
who voted for President Trump, are not getting access to

(34:54):
adequate education.

Speaker 19 (34:56):
There's there's a.

Speaker 20 (34:57):
Teacher shortage, and these grants are aimed towards addressing that
teacher shortage. Additionally, the Department of Education, which they're trying
to dismantle, is there to make sure that there's no
discrimination in education and to make sure that people have
access access to financial aids so that they can seek
out higher education and make sure that fairness in our

(35:21):
school system.

Speaker 9 (35:25):
Greg, Thank you rolland In and thank you General Role.
I'm kind of follow up on what Jay put on
the table. We know the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development by their international assessment, the US ranks fifth and
reading tenth in science, twenty first in math. One of

(35:46):
my colleagues at Howard likes to remind the first year
class that there are more honor students in India than
there are students in the United States. So well, I
think i SA's opening is going to lose that battle.
But my question really is to pick your brain a
little bit from your days in the Illinois Senate and
now as the Terry General Illinois about where you think
they think this is going to end up. And I'm

(36:08):
saying that with this in mind. We know the Department
of Education was a cabinet level position because of Jimmy Carter,
but that it goes back to reconstruction, It goes back
to the Office of Education Andrew Johnson, which is of
course the first time we as African people got a
chance to be in this at all. Are these people
really unconcerned about any notion of a United States of

(36:30):
America as a concept and more concerned with preserving their status,
whether it be within the confines of the United States
or globally and the hell with the rest of us.
And if so, should we be rethinking some of the
things that they claim to love so dear, perhaps even
like charter schools and vouchers And you're there in Chicago,
so you know the impact of the African Senate schools,
like what Hockey and Soficia Mount of Booty have. How

(36:52):
should we be thinking, should we be thinking more sophisticated
and more sophisticated manner about maybe how to play some
of this stuff that they're doing to advance our interests
since they're clearly not interested in a United States of
America as a national concept.

Speaker 19 (37:06):
Well, it's it's important to know. Yeah, I think you
hit it on a neil.

Speaker 20 (37:12):
First of all, that there's a turning back of the clock,
uh on on a on a whole lot of fronts.
There's an attempt to erase history too, uh you know, uh,
erase anything from school books or libraries.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (37:29):
That that would make our people feel a sense of
identity and a sense of pride. But more importantly, it's
important to know that these these are not When we
we often talk about government dollars. Government dollars are tax dollars.
These dollars come from individuals within the state. This is

(37:51):
not somebody else's money.

Speaker 19 (37:52):
This money is.

Speaker 20 (37:53):
Supposed to come back for for to to help us
do what we need to help the individuals in our
community from which the tax dollars are coming from.

Speaker 19 (38:04):
And and that's all of us who play taxes. And so.

Speaker 20 (38:10):
When they start talking about entitlements and and we don't
need to be wasting money instead of looking at it
as investing money and adequately educating our kids, it is
really coming. It is really growing out of not having

(38:31):
a sense of of of caring for certain communities and
and and it's been clear which communities those those are,
whether it's the attack on diversity, equity inclusion.

Speaker 19 (38:45):
A lot of these cuts and grants have been.

Speaker 20 (38:50):
Clothed in the notion that they're they're embracing DEI as
if dei as become.

Speaker 19 (39:02):
A bad word.

Speaker 20 (39:03):
You know, we've heard DEI candidates DEI higher and now
they're talking about DEEI programs so as to make cuts
to needed programs. As I said before, one in eight
teacher positions are either vacant or filled by somebody who's
not certified to be a teacher. That is a bad
situation given the education gap that you all talked about

(39:27):
globally and certainly the education gap that we have within
the nation between races.

Speaker 10 (39:35):
Thank you, all right, a g.

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Speaker 19 (39:42):
Keep up the good work, all right. Good luck to
your ages there.

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Speaker 16 (43:52):
In the Southern border are through the mail over the
last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Lives a lot of two thousand pouls in the United States,
where they are, of course debating the Continued Resolution to
keep the government open was passed in the House. And
what they did is the Republicans had a recess. They
all left town to force the Senate to vote by Friday.
And they think this was their way of, you know,

(44:19):
of forcing them to actually step up. A day ago,
you know, twenty three hours ago, Senator Chuck Schumer signaled
that Democrats were not going to support this, that Republicans
did not have the vote.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
That seemed to really be a ruse.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
We now have Schumer, in a closed door session, announced
that he was indeed going to vote for it, along
with Senators John Fetterman King, Peters, Schatz, gillibrand Shaheen Cortes Mastow.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And so, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I want to go to my panel. I'm gonna start
with you. Reci You know a lot of people have
been demanding I mean a House members Congress from the
Alexandria case. Cortez and others have been putting pressure on
these Senate Dems saying, man, stand the hell up that
you making it worse? Even sendingor Corey Booker said that
they vote for this continued resolution, they're giving the White

(45:14):
House a giving MAGA more power to screw over the
American people. Of reports say that Elon Musk say, hey, sure,
let's have a government shut down. It's going to be
easier for us to get rind of federal workers. But
what I mean, if you're going to vote for it,
what the hell was that bs twenty four hours ago
making a big grand stand that oh no, Democrats are

(45:37):
not going to support support this Republican measure.

Speaker 15 (45:43):
Chat the cavalry is not coming.

Speaker 11 (45:46):
And so you know what, if Dems are too fucking
incompetent and flailing to negotiate and extract any kind of
concessions for their votes for this continued resolution, then I'm
not confident in what the would have been able to
do if we did shut down. So if you can't
do shit, then just I guess let's just throw on
a towel right now. You know, I just don't have

(46:08):
any faith in their ability to really see us through
this crisis, to to to to be that resistance and
to really extract anything meaningful out of it. And we
know that Republicans have gained this out multiple ways of
what kind of damage they were going to inflict with
a government shut down, And so if you're if you're

(46:29):
not up to the task, you're not up to the task. So,
I mean, it's disappointing obviously that they're so flat foot, flip,
that they've been caught so flat footed in this situation.
We know when the funding is going to run out.
I don't know why every time it's a fucking crisis
for Democrats like they're caught off guard.

Speaker 15 (46:48):
It's just terrible leadership.

Speaker 11 (46:50):
But this is the cards that we've been dealt, and
so I guess we're just gonna have to see what
more the Republicans have in store from us. But I'm
not entirely upset about them moving forward because I just
don't I never heard a plan of how to get
out of the shutdown, and I just haven't seen the

(47:11):
Democrats and the Senate side be able to execute anything
that would suggest that they would be able to stop
whatever the Republicans have in store.

Speaker 15 (47:22):
And so at least for seven months, we know the
devil that we're going to get with this continuing resolution.

Speaker 11 (47:29):
And that's not to excuse them, that's not to justify it.
But I'm just saying, we ain't got shit with the
Democrats right now, unfortunately, and they're showing that.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Especially Jay Jay. This is the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
They said that the headline was Democrats clear way for
GOP bill, ending threat of shut down.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Send Democrats threw in the.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Towel and trying to block Republicans stop get bill funding
the government. Following a grueling intra party fight in which
lawmakers struggle with how best to resist Donald Trump's I
don't call him president fast paced efforts to slim down
federal agencies. Senate Minori leader Chuck Schumer said he would
vote to advance the measure on Friday morning, saying a
government shutdown was too risky Earlier in a closed door launch,

(48:16):
He also said that enough Democrats would join him to
help Republicans clear the chambers critical.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Sixty vote hurdle.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
People familiar with the matter said, quote, I will vote
to keep the government open and not shut it down.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Schumer sit on the Centate.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Floor, characterizing democrats alternatives as.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
A Hobson's choice with no good option.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
He said that in a shutdown, Trump could decide quote
to cherry pick which parts of the government to reopen,
and they protracted shut down.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Well, hell he doing that already, yes, Brolan.

Speaker 12 (48:45):
And you know what I never thought I'll see today, when,
especially under this administration, the Democrats will be working with
the ops because that's essentially what they're doing, right, And
if you're scared, go home.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
And as the previous commentator.

Speaker 12 (48:56):
Said, I'm actually more scattered their poor decision making skills
and how easy yell back down. So maybe the shut
thing is the best thing to do. And this actually
shows why we're in the situation that we're in now.
Right while we put it the way, we failed to
stand up the way we're supposed to stand up as
a Democratic party during the campaign and election, and what
happened now and resulted in Trump being in office. So

(49:16):
this is an example of all of the mistakes we
made leading up to this and still one hundred percent
uncertainty of stepping up and fighting and using those voices.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
So this is just a clear example of while we're
in this situation now.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Unfortunately, Greg, this is what again I'm reading the rest
of this journal story. So Democratic senators also word they
shut down rather than forcing Republicans at the table, would
simply play into Trump's hands, potentially giving him enhanced power
to shutter more parts of the federal government for good
with no obvious way out. This considered Jeff Murkley of

(49:51):
Oregon posting a video on Twitter, you don't stop a
bully by handing over your lunch money, and you don't
stop tyrat Trump by giving him more power.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
How are you're giving him more power?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I mean, at the end of the day, Republicans controlled
the White House, the House, in the Senate, they will
take they will get all the blame.

Speaker 9 (50:09):
For shut down, and sure in a society where people
are intelligent, but we live in an idiocracy. They they
have a propaganda machine that is in full full steam
right now. New York Times hasn't dropped that headline that
you're from the from the Wall Street Journal yet, which
leads me to believe, at least in part, that they

(50:29):
may be still enough wavering for the propaganda units like
Rupert Murdock Wall Street Journal to try to drop this
as inevitable that haven't been said. They probably will vote
for it, and Corey Booker is right, and so is
Jeff Murk. Well, Jeff Murk's not saying that. At least
Blunt Rochester just made to drop the video, but she
said she's not going to vote yes. But it is

(50:52):
indeed a Hobson's choice. If they were not to vote,
and if the government was shut down, I think that
would give the fascist Elon Musk more leeway. They would
use that as an opportunity to accelerate some things that
I think as the courts continue to play out, and
we just saw the judge ordering thousands more workers reinstated,

(51:14):
even as we've just seen since this afternoon that the
birthright citizenship case is now going to be heard by
the Supreme Court. If you shut the government down, then
it is potentially more havoc than they're going to reach.
And as this thing is playing out, what we're seeing
is the courts are at least beginning to show some

(51:35):
signs of resistance in life. Now, I set all that
as a backdrop to this. The elections in a year
and a half, two years, the Senate elections don't look
that good. Jeane Shaheena says she's not going to run again.
You know, there are a couple of competitive district states,
North Carolina being one, but the map doesn't look good
for the Democrats. If you don't allow the government to

(51:56):
be shut down, then you take away from the Republicans
their propaganda to say the Democrats did it, and there
are enough stupid people in the United States to absolutely
repeat that, including too many of people who look like us,
and you allow this other process to play out. Finally,
the Democratic Party hasn't existed since the insurgent efforts of

(52:20):
black folk back in sixty four at the convention, and
then the voting rants out of sixty five and then
the last watershed moment, which was the Jackson campaigns of
eighty four and eighty eight, at which point Bill Clinton,
Joe Biden, and the rest of them decided to become
the Republican Light Party and continue to allow us to
play along by telling us.

Speaker 10 (52:38):
That we are they're the only home that we have.
That kind of remains true.

Speaker 9 (52:42):
But any insurgents that would expect all the Democrats to
act in the same way flies in the face of
the reality that there hasn't been a Democratic party like
the one that we would support to advance our interests
really since the late nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Well it is, I mean, I mean, we look, here's
the thing here that that Democrats have to have to
really understand this's at play here, and that is you
got elections next year, you got House seats, you got
city seats. You kind of need to have your base

(53:22):
fired up and ready to go. That ain't what I'm
seeing and feeling, Jade. I mean, I'm not. I'm not
getting that sense, and I don't I think the politicians
in DC are totally misreading the base and what they're saying.
And I ain't talking about Bill Maher, I ain't talking
about James Carville. I'm talking about the people who you

(53:43):
need to be fired up to mobilize an.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Organize, vote, to get out and vote next year.

Speaker 12 (53:50):
Bro, And I think it's gonna be another f around
and find out like it was for this past election.
I think it's going to be another version of that
if they don't get it together and get this together quickly.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Racing.

Speaker 11 (54:05):
Yeah, I mean they are misreading the moment. But at
the same time, the reality is that there is a
lot of energy on the opposite side, and I think
that maybe our side, some of us are missing that
part as well. And that's not to excuse anything that's happening,
but there are tons of protests happening. There are just

(54:27):
as many people saying fund the government as there are
saying shut down the government. There are protests for DC
statehood and for the DC budget. There are protests for
freedom of speech, and what's happening with the Syrian person
who's green carvers arevoked. There's a lot of energy right
now around DC and the fucking Democrats don't have a

(54:47):
clue as to what to do with it. And they
have a much chal much bigger challenge because they have
to harness all of these conflicting things in a way
that Republicans don't have to. They can march along the
beat of being anti immigrant, of being anti woke, anti DEI,
and they don't have anything disrupting them from that. And

(55:08):
so I do kind of sort of feel for the
position that they're in, especially given that we have tens
of millions of people on our side that sat there
ass on the couch that cannot be relied upon, that
you have to move heaven and earth just to get
them out every eight years to vote forget about every
four years. And so there is a lot that has

(55:31):
to be done, and I don't think that the Democrats
themselves are capable of doing it. And so the question
is how much are people independent of any particular political
party going to be sick and tired of the disruption
of the destruction that these people have in store are
currently inflicting on this country. How much disruption or destructure

(55:56):
are they willing to take. We saw it with COVID,
it was a different kind of destruction, and then people
didn't entirely blame Trump, but they were willing to get
their ass out and say we got to change course.

Speaker 15 (56:07):
That's what it's going to take.

Speaker 11 (56:08):
I don't have any faith at all in the Democratic Party, who,
come November sixth, should have been preparing for this moment.
And every moment that we've seen prior to this potential shutdown,
which seems to be averted, they've done nothing to show
that they're up to the task. And I don't see
any evidence that come twenty twenty six in November, they're
going to be up to the task.

Speaker 15 (56:29):
It's going to be up to the American.

Speaker 11 (56:30):
People to be up to the task to wrestle this
power away from Republicans despite the structural advantages they have
in the Senate and in the House and maintaining it.

Speaker 10 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I have made this point repeatedly greg that and where
this is where all these idiots get this thing wrong
when they go.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Oh god, you're shilling for the Democrats. No, I'm advocating
for black people.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
And what that means is there needs to be a
lot of folk who get challenged in the primaries. That
means that this is I have been saying this for
years that people we have to be organizing and mobilizing ourselves.
How many times have I said, don't send money to campaigns,
send that to third.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Party grassroots groups.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I've been saying that for a very long time, because
why send them money to them? Then you got to
beg to hope they fund black initiatives. No, funded ourselves.
Look when we raised money with WM.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
With black men, we kept a lot of that money.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
We just send that money to the Harris campaign. We
kept damn the five hundred thousand dollars and then gave
it to black male organizations. And so what I keep
telling people, look, stop waiting for a politician, Stop waiting
for them to come save you. No, this is called
save ourselves.

Speaker 10 (57:52):
That's absolutely right. Roland.

Speaker 9 (57:55):
The numbers that Keenan shared with you. Hearing those is
stunning and unsurprising. The top four billionaire funded propaganda engines number.

Speaker 10 (58:06):
Five the people. The people always beat.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
The billionaires when there are enough of us, and there
are enough of us potentially, But to organize us, you've
got to have some type of vision. As I said,
the Democratic Party is not a party that has one vision.
It's basically everybody who's not an open fascist white supremacist,
and there are a lot of soft white nationalists and
the Democratic Party shout out to the cosplay Trucker from
Western Pennsylvania, John Fetterman, that haven't been said. What you

(58:34):
just described is the only thing that has made us
have any progress in this country. I take no pleasure
in saying what I've been saying all along, in which
I will continue to saying, which I'm about to say again.
This project is nearing an end. It has never been
a nation. The better angels for all of us would say,

(58:55):
we can live together as a species. We can do
it in this country. We can come together. But that
would required not only displacing, but killing white nationalism. When
this government is disintegrated, the autopsy is going to cause
pain for all of us. And I for one, if
I were sitting in the United States Senate, I might

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vote to allow the bill to pass and not have
the government shut down, because I know that the pain
is going to fall not on the Senators who will
all be fine, not on the congress people who will
mostly be fine, but on the people who need their checks,
the people who will continue to go to work.

Speaker 10 (59:33):
And not get a check and might not have a job.

Speaker 9 (59:35):
When Elon Musk and his musk Rats, including grape nuts
or whatever he caused itself, the nineteen year old comes
in and is vetting and looking and firing, and it
might be more difficult because there's another layer of legal
action that has to be taken before any maybe even
eventual reinstatement, because you did it when the government was
shut down, which will exacerbate the power, which will amplify

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the power of the execut to do whatever needs to
be done. All that as a backdrop to this, African
people in this country, as an act of self defense,
have engaged in the political process, not because we believed
in this experiment, not because we leave this in this country.

Speaker 10 (01:00:14):
It's all cosplay. We were in self defense.

Speaker 9 (01:00:17):
If this government is disintegrated, if they succeed in privatizing everything.
The top states that get most of that tax money
that Kwame Roll was talking about. Number one is Alaska
thirty nine point three percent. For every dollar Alaska puts in,
they get four back. Kentucky's number two, they get damn
near for dollars for every dollar they put back. For
my number three, then West Virginia, Washington, DC, and then Arkansas, Louisiana.

Speaker 10 (01:00:41):
The Confederacy. Do you know who's going to be harmed?
The Hill believes are going to be harmed, and I
for one, God bless our common humanity. But let's be clear.

Speaker 9 (01:00:51):
We have shown ourselves since we were brought here in
human trafficking and captivity, that when left to our own devices,
we can take care of ourselves. And I'll bet on
us and watch these other people break like the boss
of Wood they have been since they started this criminal enterprise.

Speaker 10 (01:01:07):
I'm here for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Them, all right, folks, hold ty one second, going to
a break.

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You got Governor Greg Abbott. Billionaires gave him about ten
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Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
He's doing everything he can to make that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
But you've got Democrats fighting back vigorously against that, and
lots of people been testified against it. Then in the
US House, Congresswoman Summer League also went total toe on
this issue. We're going to show you what she had
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Speaker 19 (01:06:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Carolina Saint Augustine University is entering a ninety day arbitration
process after its appeal for accreditation was denied. SAU has
been on probation with the Southern Association of Colleges and
Schools Commissioned on Colleges for two years. In December twenty
twenty three, the sac SEOC Board of Trustees voted to

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remove SAU from membership due to financial and governance issues.
After a successful appeal, the university was reinstated in July
twenty twenty four, with the reinstatement remaining effective through the
end of the year. However, on March sixth, the historically
black Cotton University announced its appeal to maintain accreditation was

(01:06:41):
ultimately denied. The university stated that the upcoming ninety day
arbitration process would ensure that all students graduating by May
twenty twenty five received degrees from an accredited institution.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
We have reached out to the school and they sent
us the following statement.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Saint Augustine's University is dedicated to ensuring a wrong and
sustainable future. We are actively exploring all available options, including arbitration,
to demonstrate our financial stability and maintain our accreditation. Arbitration
is our final opportunity to prove that we possess the
resources a strategic vision necessary for long term success. We're
diligently securing additional funding and partnerships to strengthen our sustainability.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Now more than ever, we need unity.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Positivity, and collective support from our alumni, supporters, and the
broader community as we navigate this critical moment. Together, we
can ensure that SAU continues to be a pillar of
education and opportunity for future generations. The Community to Save
SAU coalition and others, say and Augustin the Lumps are
meeting as we speak to discuss potential next steps.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Greg I want to go with you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I kind of deal with this line here, and I'll
be honest with you. It sort of pisces me off.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Now more than ever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
We need unity, positivity, and collective support from our alumnie
I supporters in the broader community.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Okay, how about you not keep screwing up?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
See see see here's the issue that I have. And
I'm being I'm being real clear here, and it bothers me,
It bothers me that let's be let's be honest. A
lot of HBCUs were saved with the COVID resources that
they received. Uh, And there were a lot of people

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who said, and I've talked to UH many, I've talked
to many university presidents who said that they were able
to get their fiscal house in order, they were able
to pay off debt, they had debt forgiven, and that
they were greatly that they benefited significantly from what took place.

(01:08:58):
And UH, you've seen where Saint Augustine's what's doing well.
If they're not they're doing well, they're change of leadership,
then boil trustees whatever. At some point, a person, an alumni,
potential students have to have belief that the people in

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charge are doing what they are supposed to do to
make sure the university is succeeding. And I'm sorry, we
just gotta go ahead and call it what it is.
When you have this constant draw it's like, over and
over and over again, that's not gonna make somebody want

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to come to your university. And it's damn sure not
gonna want to make somebody to keep shelling out money.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
You can't get your act together, and.

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
No, Roland, I think we all know this again. It's
a barometer of the tragedy of miseducation and what we're
facing is so you know, listening to you, it reminds me.
I had a conversation maybe about ten years ago with
an elder and he was telling me, he said, look
at how the trustees, the boards of trustees have changed

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in the last two generations at HBCUs. He said, after
you get past the era of white rule, which takes
us up into the nineteen thirties and forties, and you
start seeing the first black trustees at HBCUs at a
critical mass, and.

Speaker 10 (01:10:29):
Then of course they become overwhelmingly black.

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
These JCBCU boards, he said, many people who said on
those boards were institution builders they were business owners. If
you were on the board at noor Kolina A and
T at North Carolina Central, you had the person who
ran Nor Carolina Mutual Insurance, so you know you had
a C.

Speaker 10 (01:10:44):
Gaston on the boards in Alabama. This kind of thing,
he said.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
And then somewhere around the nineteen between the mid seventies
and the into the eighties, you get diverning Jordan types.
These are the negroes who are the first negro to
be on this corporate board of white people. And this
is the first and the mentality said begins to change.
You get you you start moving from trustees who have
built something in black communities to trust these who are
happy to be in the room and who think that

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the approach is to be next to these white folks
and make some money. He says, he's like he said,
I'm not condemning them. I'm saying he's but he says,
it's a different mentality. Now put that in as a factor,
because some of this decision making is by people who
frankly haven't really been black institution builders. And although they
are black, and I'm not questioning anybody's blackness, I'm saying
their attitude toward how you defend black institutions is very different.

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It's more of a I hate to say begging mentality,
but I'll leave.

Speaker 19 (01:11:35):
It at that.

Speaker 9 (01:11:35):
But the other factor is the geography of HBC used
many of these institutions, and I think Saint Ogg fits
right directly in this bulls I Mama Mata does too.
Tennessee State, for that matter, are in state capitals or
places where the hillbilly hoard behind the cotton behind the
cotton curtain want to get their hands on that real estate.
See Saint august In a real estate war with to

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hillbilly hoard in North Carolina. Tennessee State, particularly downtown camp
is an a war with the hillbilly hoarde of Nashville.
Eddie George went to Bowland Green as a head coach,
not because he wanted to leave Tennessee State, but that
hillbilly hoard is going to try to hamstring everything out
of that institution until they can try to break the
will of black folk. And now when you put those
two things together Jackson State, Jackson, Mississippi, FAMU, Tallahassee State capitals.

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In other words, Baton Rouge Southern University, then you have
to have a type of black leadership board president that
is going to punch these white boys in the face.
But the era of Elias Blake, the era of Fred
Humphreys at Florida A and M in Tennessee State, that
era is gone. And what you are increasingly seeing in
terms of HBC leadership is black folk who want the

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best for the race, but who quite frankly, are a
little scared and.

Speaker 10 (01:12:45):
A little timid.

Speaker 9 (01:12:47):
And when you combine that with the design on real estate,
real estate violence is what Lemon King calls it, you know,
real estate violence or gentrification. And Howard has been complicit
as the genterfriars come up and down Georgia Abbetue New
in Northwest DC.

Speaker 10 (01:13:01):
Then you are then to have a group. You have
a mass of black people.

Speaker 9 (01:13:05):
Looking at these places, including alum who are like, somebody fight.
I'm not giving my money to that. Plus this was
the condition in the dorm and this was how the
food tasted. Or I didn't like this professor, so I'm
not giving any money. And it becomes a doom feedback loop.
It becomes a vicious cycle. And I really don't know
how we saw that, except you have to run to
the fight. You can't run from it. And that is

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something that I quite frankly don't have an easy answer
to how you encourage people and inspire people to run
to the fight, not away from it. But right now
I think we're in, if not full retreat. There's too
many people in retreat to really do anything much more
than kind of lament our condition.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
See, I'm also going to say I'm also going to
say something Jay that, And let me just go ahead
and be clear.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
You gonna have some folks out here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Look, I've been listening to this this bullshit mind tie
my whole adult life. Oh you sitting here, You sitting
here saying all that while you wearing a Texas A
and M shirt. Yep, sure, am, sure, am.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
I had somebody on my Instagram page. One brother said,
why you went to A and M and you didn't
go to Howard? I said, why would I go to
a private school two thousand miles away when I went
to a state school ninety minutes away because my parents
couldn't even afford to see three of us were in
college at one time. I'm like, that's a stupid ass question.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Text other university right across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
From my high school. I was named the best students
my Magnet School of Communications.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Tissue never even.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Recruited me, and they were literally right across the street
and they got school communications that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Ain't on me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Okay, so I'm gonna say this, I don't really give
a shit what anybody thinks. There one hundred and seven HBCUs.
I have personally been to sixty one of them, sixty
one of them. I've got a number of HBCU presidents
on speed dial. I've had this conversation with numerous boards

(01:15:15):
of trustees, board chairs, donors, alumni, faculty, staff, president and
I'm just going to say this right now. There are
individuals who are sitting on some of these HBCU boards
who have no business being on any board. That's they

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don't know how to they don't know how to run
a business, they don't know how to raise money. Let
me be real clear, Okay, if you are sitting on
an HBCU board and you are personally not bringing in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
A minimum of twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Five thousand dollars a year to the school, you should
be removed from the board of trustees. Oh now, I
know somebody's sitting here going damn Roland that's cold blooded.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
The Chicago Theological the Chicago Theological Seminary. They wanted me
to sit on their board of trustees. They approached me,
I declined, but they had a minimum amount that you
had to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Either give or raise to be on their board.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
And when I look at some of these decisions, and
I'm not talking about just Saint Augustine, it's a number
of institutions that I'm talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
There have been people with massive egos.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
People again who ain't never run shit, but now all
of a sudden, they got some power and they're running
our institutions into the ground. Not know that as somebody
who's again they're sitting there going damn man, that's cold blooded. Okay,
shall we assess some decision making.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I'm looking at the numbers right now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Saint Augustin's University received thirty five million dollars from the
federal government during COVID nineteen million dollars in cap one forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
No, let me quit that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Nineteen million, two hundred and sixty two thousand, seven hundred
and thirty dollars and thirty two six in cap one forgiveness,
meaning that's money they didn't have to pay back, okay,
which was taken out those loans, all right. So what
I don't understand is what are these continuing problems we're
talking about here, not only that the university.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
The university cut a deal, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
So they so first of all, they took out a
seven million dollar loan last fall that had twenty four
percent interest rate come on, and a two percent managed management.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Feed come on, rodan, the university put real.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Estate up as collateral in case of a loan default. Okay,
So let me explain something y'all watching. Come on, now,
if you had if you if you went out to
get a seven million dollar loan and they charged you
twenty four percent interest rate, that means your credit ain't
no good. When I read the Chicago Defender, we couldn't

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even get stuff in the building fixed on credit because
our name was so trash.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
They were like, no, y'all got to pay the full
amount up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Front to fix the water heater, to fix all sort
of problems. I'm telling y'all straight up, okay, So what
I don't understand, and we've had folks in have passed on,
but I would love for somebody with saying a god
to explain to me how did you get thirty five
billion dollars from the federal government doing COVID. We're talking

(01:19:09):
twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, and here
we sit in twenty twenty five, and you damn did.
If you lose accreditation, your students can't get financial aid
because it has to be accredited. Now, what you're gonna
do I don't understand.

Speaker 10 (01:19:30):
And not only that, yes you do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
They've been announced.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
You understand they've been announced in no ves.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah I do. And let me and guys, let me
just be real clear, let me be real clear. And
I want everybody to understand again, I'm not asking for this.
I'm not asking for this. I'm not asking for this
at all. I've actually never had a single HBCU approach

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me about sitting on their board of trustees.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Now, let me be real clear, let me be real clear,
let me real clear.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
I need anybody. I want to be real clear. I'm
not begging anybody to do it. I'm not asking anybody
to do it. But here's the point I need y'all
to understand the point. I'm trying to make you pick
folks to sit on your boards. Not necessarily because they

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are a graduate of the institution. You seek people for
your boards who have relationships that can benefit the university
in terms of fundraising, sponsorship over school being able to

(01:21:01):
generate corporate dollars for schools.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I'm just being just straight up. When Fisk University fired
doctor Van Newkirk, I did a video and I went
off of within fifteen minutes. Boy, I got an Instagram
DM of the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Board chair like to talk to you. So I get
this email and the board chair says he's Alpha and
he's also he's also in the boulet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
And I'm sitting there going, Okay, that's great, But they
don't mean damn thing to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Me because my criticism.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
And so he said to me, he said to me
in the letter, in the email he sent me that
you know, the criticism that I levied against Fisk could
have negative ramifications on schools for a long time. I said, no,
you having seven university presidents in twenty two years could

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have negative ramifications on your university. I said, if you
and one of them served like seven years, that was
Hazel O'Leary. So that means you had six presidents in
fifteen years. And I said, point blank, I said, hey,
if you have six presidents in fifteen years, either your

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board has no idea on how to pick presidents or
your board ain't got no idea what the hell they doing?
And all I'm saying is I'm gonna go to Jay,
then I'm gonna go to racing. I'm reading this story
from inside higher end, it said. In November, SAU officials

(01:22:41):
also struck a seventy million dollars deal with fifty plus
one Sports, a fledgling Florida company, to lease its campus
and developed university property for ninety nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
The deal would have proved it a much needed financial
lifeline for the cash strap university that needs to urgently
fix its finances.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Before the accreditation review.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Guess what, The North Carolina Attorney General's office, which reviewed
the deal due to state law on the transfer of
assets from a nonprofit, announced it would not approve the
arrangement with fifty plus one Sports as written due to
a lack of quote, sufficient documentation to support the proposal,

(01:23:34):
and concern that the payout quote is too low to
justify transfer of the lease rights for sau's campus, which
is appraised at one hundred and ninety eight million dollars.
The Attorney General's Office also expressed concerns about sau's quote
ability to continue to operate.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Now, Jade, this is just what how Roland just looks
at this here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
If Roland is sitting in the room with Saint Augustine's
officials and your accreditation is about to get you, you're
about to lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I'm sitting here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I just do basic math.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Forgive me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
I never understood trigonometry. I never understood geometry. I never
understood algebra. But you know what I do understand five
plus five, five times five, five times fifty five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
See, I know basic ass math.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
And if I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Sitting in a room, I'm sitting here going.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Okay, what are the existing liabilities at Saint Augustine's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Who do we owe?

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
What are the existing revenue streams that we have at
Saint Augustine's University? Okay? How many students do we expect
to be on to be at this university next fall?
Do we have any students who are gonna be here online?
What's gonna be the cost of servicing those students? I'm

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looking at basic fundamental math. Then I'm looking at my
board and control room. Y'all looking for me because I
ain't got time to look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Tell me how many people are sitting on their board?

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
So they got ten board members, I need to see
at least two hundred thousand coming in from the board
every year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
I just don't understand, Jade, how it can.

Speaker 22 (01:25:36):
Continue to be problem after problem after problem after problem
after the problem, year after year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
When every Ward was president, they were talking, they had
issues before then, How you keep having issues for eight, ten,
fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Jay, go ahead, I'm sorry, I feel you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
One of the biggest problems.

Speaker 12 (01:26:01):
I think it's going to be accountability, right and awareness
and just being able to be real and call a
spade a spade.

Speaker 10 (01:26:07):
I'm like you.

Speaker 12 (01:26:08):
So we want to be treated like the pwy's right
or comparable to the pwis.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
However, we got here moving like micros right.

Speaker 12 (01:26:15):
You got bad credit, you have bad financial decisions, financial mismanagement,
those type of things that you really can't heal what
you wan't revealed.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Right in the words say I Leustra, it's jay Z.

Speaker 12 (01:26:24):
So if you aren't able to be real with yourself
and one of the things I found most astonishing is
that essay you said some of the things and some
of the steps they outlined some of the steps they
were taking to resolve some of the financial problems.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
One of the steps said for including.

Speaker 12 (01:26:38):
Four audits and a reduction of half the staff, which
resulted in seventeen million dollars in savings and obtaining seven
million dollars in loans from Gothic ventures.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Number one, do you need another loan?

Speaker 12 (01:26:48):
It sounds like you had a lot of loans and
some financial payments you don't have to pay back. But
number two, is it going to affect the students half
of the faculty staff?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
And if it's not, why didn't you think of this before?
Why did you have to get to the.

Speaker 12 (01:27:00):
Point where you have to do a ninety day arbitration
before you say, hey, maybe we should get rid of
half of the staff and that will allow us to
have seventeen million dollars cleared up. Secondly, I actually spoke
with an alumni who's a pretty good friend of mine
and very active in that chapter, and one of the
things she highlighted, and she's some of the concerns is
that poor can you know, including poor campus conditions, you know,

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they have to be real with that call a spade
a spade financial mismanagement.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
And one of the number one things that you.

Speaker 12 (01:27:28):
Have been talking about is the board of trustees lack
of transparency. That's what she said as a known fact,
is that there's an issue with the Board of Trustees
lack of transparency, and I in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
One of the main things they do, and a lot
of these boards do.

Speaker 12 (01:27:41):
Unfortunately with hbc uses, they use that title in that
position as a resume filler right, as a bragging right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
And then you have the schools that are appointing them.

Speaker 12 (01:27:49):
To be board of trustees based on titles right with
their PhDs or doctors. So I think it's a problem
bigger than what they want the community to step in
and solve. I think it's an internal problem of self
aware and accountability.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Reci anybody who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
I am a strong believer in black institutions. I am
a strong believer in US supporting in US funding.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
But here's what I also am.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
A strong believer in. I am a strong believer in accountability.
I'm a strong believer that if you're going to put
people in charge.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Of something, that those people are going to be handling
the business.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I can tell you that one of the greatest issues
that I have heard not from just from presidents, but
I've heard this from actual board members. If there are
too many HBCU board members who are trying to run
the institution as opposed to the president, there are too
many folk who want to decide, who want to control

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the athletic department, who want to control who like who.
I one HBCU president told me that he got in
trouble with the board because he told his secretary that
she could she could access his president at university emails,

(01:29:23):
but he would handle.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
His own private emails.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
She was talking to the board chair. Why in the
hell is the secretary of the president having any conversation
with the board chair about his business.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
This is the BS that I'm talking about now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
I know somebody's going to know folk, honestly, but we
hear the same thing at pwi's, Okay, But we.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Ain't talking about them right now. We talk about black.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Institutions because see, this ain't no different than our black organizations.
I remember recing the third time I was on the
board directors of the National Association of Black Journalists, and
so we had a break in the meeting, and there
were board members who were complaining about how much a
particular staffer was being paid and how this person was
still living in Atlanta even though our national office was

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in Maryland. And so again, I don't waste my time
with BS conversation. But finally I turned around and said, hey,
can y'all shut the hell up? They were like, excuse me?
I said, did we allocate the budget for the national office?

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I said, Well, I don't give a damn how the
executive director chooses suspend it. If the executive director if
we allocate five hundred thousand and he wants to give
one staff for two hundred thousand and they want to
work remotely, that's his that's his responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
We oversee him now. If he ain't handling the job,
he gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
End up having an answer for that. I said, but
why are y'all getting in the business of the damn
executive director? Well, that ain't your damn job. What the
hell of office person does I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Not what a boy's supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Your job is the producer, responsibility and governance of the organization,
not who the hell shows up in the damn office,
and the whole room got quiet, I said, and this
is the problem because guess what, every person I was
talked to, not a single one of them was a boss.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Not a single one of.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Them had a job with a P and L responsibility.
And that, to me is one of the greatest struggles.
When I look at people who sit on boards of trustees,
the first thing I look at is what jobs hell
they have before? What responsibilities have they had before? Have
they ever had a job that had P and L responsibility?

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Everybody watching it's called profit and loss. If they had
jobs that had no P and L responsibility, they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Be on my board.

Speaker 15 (01:31:45):
Period.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Well.

Speaker 11 (01:31:47):
Listen, I have a business economics degree in accounting minor
from UCLA and an NBA from Northeastern and twenty something
is in finance, and so it's unfathomable to me that
you can't balance a damn checkbook as a whole university
when you get multiple get out of jail free cards,
and so this is just negligence and it's unacceptable, and

(01:32:09):
we want to save our institutions, but we want our
institutions to uphold their fudiciary responsibility, not just to.

Speaker 15 (01:32:17):
The state and to all the different laws after buy by.

Speaker 11 (01:32:19):
But to the students, it's totally unfair that they're getting
caught in the crosshairs and their degree is losing prestige
because of mismanagement.

Speaker 15 (01:32:27):
And so I do want to defer the rest of
my time though to doctor Carr.

Speaker 11 (01:32:31):
Because it seemed like he was on the something and
I ain't got I wasn't picking up where he was
picking up. So I want to see what doctor Carr
had to say about the whole sports thing, if you
don't mind, Roland, no, you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
And Grig before I go there. Before I go there,
our frat brother, doctor Walter kim Broke, went down there
to Talladega, and you know what he did. He got
rid of several sports programs. You know what he said,
we can't afford these. And you know, I'm with him
one hundred percent. He was like, hey, I'm trying, let's

(01:33:05):
stop truck.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
And then again I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
There have been a number of hbcs announced they want
a gymnastics program, they want a lacrosse program.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
This is real simple.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
If you cannot afford sports programs, stop trying to have
sports programs. Focus on what you can actually do. What
kim bro did on point and guess what he said.
I'm sorry, this is going to negatively impact coaches and players,
he said, but if we can't afford the programs, why

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do we have them?

Speaker 10 (01:33:41):
Gret go ahead, Roland.

Speaker 9 (01:33:44):
I mean, I spent my whole life teaching that black institutions,
and I went to one and reci you did pick
up on something the same. All thing to me is
very simple. These white boys want to want the campus.
They came at them with the sports thing for a
gags to rate, and they had them between a rock
and the hard place. Because you can literally stand on
the campus of Saint Ogg, as I've done several times,

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you can stand on a college of St. Sat A
university and throw a rock and hit the damn North
Carolina legislature. If anybody thinks these business boys ain't in
bed with the government, then you're not paying attention. Because
they did the same thing to Shaw, which is even
closer to the law that you're downtown U. They want
the campus, so they sent these white boys in with

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the gangster thing, and they was like, we'll do it.
Because they between a rock and a hard place. The
AG says, well, we can't allow you to do that.
Then they come back around with the gangster loan. That
interest rate is to ensure that they default and what
they put up for collateral, the same damn campus that
the white boys try to get the other way.

Speaker 10 (01:34:44):
This is all collusion.

Speaker 9 (01:34:46):
We see the same thing down there with that punk
ass Jason Monthpower, that bastard who is the comptroller in
Tennessee that tried the gangster Mason Tennessee out of their property.
Here the same one. San Tennessee State needs to sell
us downtown campus. Why because you can from the Avon
Williams campus and hit the Governor's office.

Speaker 10 (01:35:03):
This is what's going on. So that that's one. That's
the side.

Speaker 9 (01:35:05):
But here's the dilemma for me. Walter can do that
because his campus, Talladega, is in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 10 (01:35:16):
You could do that.

Speaker 9 (01:35:16):
Michael sorrel At, Paul Quinn came in, no HBCU background,
no HBC experience. You know we're gonna get out of
the sports business. We're gonna do this. Okay, Fine, makes
perfect sense if you're Gordon Gee. The chance that Vanderbilt,
who decided he wanted to take innermural sports put that
as as the marquee flagship thing for Vanderbilt and they
went apoplectic and stayed in the Southeastern Conference. Well, you

(01:35:40):
can play around with that because they got more money
than God. But if you're Tennessee State, you're in between
the rock and a hard place. And this is where
I'm finally gonna go with this, because I just got
back from Benedict. I was down there at Benedict roslond
Artists is president down there. I don't know President Artists,
but I do know that the faculty isn't very happy
at this over emphasis on you know, not just STEM
but like you know, cyber security, these kind of things

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very important, but at the expense of the humanities.

Speaker 10 (01:36:05):
Here's the dilemma. Here's the dilemma. Our HBCUs.

Speaker 9 (01:36:13):
Are at the same place they were when Booker Washington
said leave all them books alone and let's just go
get some job training and do Boyce said, hold on, son,
I know you came out of slavery, so I'll give
you some leeway. But do you understand that these white
people think like masters of the world. You're thinking like
a damn person looking.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
For a job.

Speaker 10 (01:36:32):
And when you have the vocational education.

Speaker 9 (01:36:36):
Approach, whether it's eighteen ninety or twenty twenty five, and
you're up against people who don't see themselves as anything
other than your rightful master. You don't have the mentality
to play their game. And so yes, the trustees are insane.
You know, Howard's in court right now because the alumni
is suing them because they got rid of the student,

(01:36:57):
the trustee and the faculty representatives of the board and
claimed it was in the name of transparency. It almost
sounds trumpy and when I say it, but the point
is this, when you I mean, you know what I'm saying,
But when you approach these things without a holistic sense
of being a people, then you you are in an

(01:37:17):
impossible situation because you're facing forces like an accreditation board.
SAX is no different than Middle States, which is what
Howard is under, and Morgan and all those schools in
the mid Atlantic.

Speaker 10 (01:37:27):
SAX is that equivalent.

Speaker 9 (01:37:28):
That's more House, that Spellmen, that's Saint Ogg's, that's North
Carolina Central as Shaw. The accreditors had them over the
fire about financial issues, and Jay, you brought it up.
I mean, when you start talking about faculty having the
number of employees, what you're doing is a drum beat
undermining of the structural integrity of the institution, because your

(01:37:50):
long game is to take the institution. There is no
board of trustees. I don't care if you have a
board of trustees. Are all time superstars. As long as
negro athletes go run for the University of Alabama instead
of Tuskegee. As long as black women playing basketball for
University of South Carolina, God blessed Phillis finus Don Staley,
I got none be loved Don Don stately. But as
long as our girls are draining the jump shots for

(01:38:11):
South Carolina and not South Carolina State, as long as
we don't think like a race, the destruction of HBCUs
is inevitable. There's no superstar that can save it. No board,
no trustees, no president, no faculty. As long as we
think the white man's ices code and we're gonna take this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Hel The thing for me is very simple, and that
is you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
And I've had people hit me about Shaw, the selling
of the radio station, all sides, stuff along those lines.
I mean, I've had that's been happening. It happening for years.
So if I'm gonna start with the premise that I
know these white folks want this what I'm not gonna
do is hand them the gun and the bullets and

(01:38:55):
then put my finger on the trigger. Now, I'm a man,
I'm gonna make I'm gonna make them. I'm gonna be
dodging so hard They're gonna have to be an accurate shot.
I'm not gonna be standing still five feet away. And
this is the problem that I have. You play right
into their hands by not handling your business. There are examples.

(01:39:21):
You said it Sorel at Paul Quinn. There are other
examples of HBCUs that have been revived because they brought
in strong leadership and they allowed them to lead one
of the great And I've heard this, and I'm telling you,
and I've heard this two from two many places. There

(01:39:42):
have been some amazing individuals that have served as presidents
of HBCUs, but they have been run off because boards
of trustees have thought they knew better than the person
who was picked the lead. And I've had multiple individual
Jewels tell me I will never go back to work

(01:40:04):
at the HBCU because I'm not dealing with that bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Again, I have heard and these are not and I
need people to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
I know, I know a number of people, highly talented
who would love to work at the institution, but they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Yo, I'm not dealing with nonsense. Now. I know again,
I know that people like, oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
You're making generalities. No I'm not, because if I started
saying names, some of y'all gonna get real upset. I
know somebody who point blank, I know somebody major who
left the Howard board who said I don't have time
for bullshit. Come on, and if I told you this

(01:40:48):
person's name and how much money they got, y'all would
be like, see what person told me point blank, Roland,
I don't have time to sit in meetings and deal
with bullshit. This is straight up what this person told me.
And I was like, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
And this is a person every not only every HBC
you want on their board.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
It's probably half of the pwis and the Marriati one
this person on the board. So all I'm saying is
I need black people. If we're going to be in
this situation right now, and we're talking about the maintaining
and not surviving, but the thriving of black institutions, then

(01:41:37):
I need us to do what a lot of us
are unwilling to do, and that is to step back
and say, we got to assess this whole thing. We
got to assess students, faculty, staff, buildings, maintenance, endowment, leadership, board,

(01:41:59):
the entire piece, because that's how you actually rebuild an institution.
Now again, I know somebody see the reason this is
so personal because this reminds me of running black media,
black on media, walking into black institution. When I walk
into the Chicago Defender, that was this historic black institution,

(01:42:20):
and folks are like, oh, my defender, to defend us this,
to defend us, that defend us this, And I'm like,
but y'all had made a prophet in twenty years, why
is your nicknamed the Chicago Offender? Because of all the
misspellings and the errors in the paper. See, everybody had
this whole, this whole historic view of a Chicago Defender.

(01:42:44):
And I was like, but y'all broken. You're in a building,
You're only using ten percent of the building. It's hot
as hell during the summer, as colon Hell is in
the winter, it's dusty, it's moldy while we in this building.
And when I moved us, I had some folk protests
in me and I was it was a major history.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
And I can't remember his name right now, and he
did NPR. He was stitding outside of our building, and
this is a shame. He was arguing about the building, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
I said, let me ask you a question, Bruh, do
you want me to save the paper or the building?

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Because to refurbish the building would have cost nine million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
The entire company of four papers wasn't even worth seven.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
I said, so which one do you want? I said,
because you know what, we moved twice before. So I'm
confused why this is a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
See, I need everybody listening to what I'm talking understand
what I'm saying. They were fighting for the building. I
was fighting for the institution. I was trying to save the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Institution and not the building.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
So I need us to understand that if we're going
to have black institution saving conversations, then we have to
have people who are in charge, who are serious about
the business, who are going to watch every dollar like
a hawk, who are going to make demands of alumni

(01:44:16):
of others to say, you know what targets that we're setting.
And the other thing is this here. When you go
raise the money, you got to make sure that you
use it properly because watch you ask for in the
first place. And so this is all I'm saying to
Saint Augustine's leadership, if you're going to ask the community,

(01:44:38):
and this applies to any HBCU and any Black institution,
whether it's a Black church, where it's a black organization.
Matter of fact, I saw a video a relative of
Frederick Douglass was complaining that after the US Army pulled
out of this parade they have every year, he was
mad because the Black community and step up and save

(01:45:02):
this annual parade. This is the first thing I said, Brouh,
I never even heard about y'all having a parade. I'm
trying to understand why y'all never reached out to black
on media about this whole deal. See, I need people
to stop coming to Black people and saying, why aren't

(01:45:24):
y'all helping us and saving us? If y'all never come
to Black people with your plan of action as to
why we should help and save you. And so I
didn't mean to go on this long on this Saint
Augustine's issue, but this is what I'm going to need

(01:45:45):
from Saint Augustine's or any other black institution. If you
want black people to step up and assist and support,
then you better have a plan of action that we
can see that's trans parent and real, and you better have.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
People who are in charge who can execute the vision
of their plan.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Otherwise, handing money to you is like justantly throwing it down,
thrown into a fireplace. It's just gonna get burned. It
ain't gonna benefit nobody. And that's what I don't want
to see happen. And so I would hope while Saint
Augustine's leadership is laying out this whole deal, I just

(01:46:31):
had the same conversation y'all with the sisters that chair
the Black Lives Matter aboard. They've like cleaned their finances
up lawsuits over. I said, okay, y'all come back on
to me what y'all doing. I'm down with support black institutions,
but I need black folks who running black institutions to
be clear and transparent with the public on how they're

(01:46:54):
going to get the job done. That's all I'm saying.
So you know, I know again that was not mine.
And if I stepped on some toes, I did it
by design.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
If I stepped on some HBCU toes. I did it
by design.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
And if you've got a problem with what I had
to say, well hand on your business, because you notice
the people who handling their business, who don't have financial problems,
who don't have accreditation problems. We ain't talking about them.

(01:47:31):
Just something for folks who consider quick break. We're gonna
come back talk about this whole school choice issue. That's
just insane. I support school choice. What these Republicans are
doing that ain't school choice. That's helping out rich white people.
We'll explain next.

Speaker 10 (01:47:49):
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Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
At This is Keessen's at Kings Love King of arb
while you devoved.

Speaker 16 (01:48:37):
Me, Serri Sebor, and you know what you want. You're
watching Rutland mine, I'm killing it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
I'm an advocate of school choice. I actually created the initiative.
School choice is the Black choice. But what you're seeing
take place across the country in Texas and Tennessee other places, y'all,
that ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
School choice is the destruction of public schools.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
It's giving money to largely white parents who already enrolled
their kids in private schools and taking tax payer money
and giving it to them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
In Texas, during a House.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
Public Education Committee meeting, Republican Representative Charles Cunningham discussed how
y'all listen to this and this dude black. He discussed
how the nineteen fifty seven school integration decision was fundamentally
about school choice, y'all. This negro literally said this, listen,

(01:49:33):
we all.

Speaker 25 (01:49:34):
Know what nineteen fifty seven was all about. Nineteen fifty
seven was about school choice. The court got it wrong
with integration, and I'm just on s thinking only on
my opinion. The same group that's fighting was fighting at
then is the same group that's fighting it now. It
hasn't changed, and so this is about choice, parental rights.

(01:49:58):
The child belongs to the parents, That's who the child belongs.
So I think counterpart Hair has already said that we
can all agree to that. But it's where we're trying
to go, and we're trying to get there. I raised
four kids, nine grand kids, gave them both to balance
both worlds. Some went to private, some went to public.

(01:50:19):
I went to a private school. I went to a
private college.

Speaker 10 (01:50:23):
So the blend is good. We just need to make
sure that we get it right.

Speaker 19 (01:50:28):
And so I'll turn it back over you.

Speaker 10 (01:50:29):
Miss chairman.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Did this Negro just say the court got it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Now, let me explain what this whole nineteen fifty seven
thing is, folks. That's when these white folks across America
started to launch so called school choice private academies because
they did not want black kids in their schools. They

(01:51:04):
did not want black kids attending their public schools. They
wanted to maintain white control over the schools. That's what
this is all about. Okay. Now, I remember I had
this debate and Randy Winengarten of AFT, she said, you know,
school choice goes back to Jim Crow. I said, Randy,
ain't nothing in American white folks didn't create.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
So whatever. Now here's a pole piece. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Why do I support school choice Because if.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
You're going to create a system like charter schools and
we can control the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
Curriculum and the budget and the hiring and the money
some public troiler schools, well, I want black people controlling
those schools. I want black people controlling the education of
black kids. That's why I want control of the money.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
I don't want. I want a black KIP.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
In fact, people to understand KIP, their entire curriculum model
was created by a black teacher. One of the KIP
founders walked across the hall and saw how she was
using music and rhyme to teach the kids in her classroom,
and that became their education model. So hell, black folk

(01:52:23):
created that. But the sister wasn't one of the co founders.
To white guys work, Okay, But I need you to
understand what's going on here. What these white billionaires, David
Gass and others, what they're doing is they are trying.
They're using the power of Republicans having the super majorities
in places like Tennessee, Texas, Arkansas, to completely dismantle public education.

(01:52:47):
Because what they want to do is they want to
create a voucher program where everybody in the state gets vouchers.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Here's the problem with that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
If you go back and look at my interview with
James tel Rico in Texas, you will see it. Five
point five million kids in school in Texas. You don't
even have enough saints in private schools for all of those.
So who's actually gonna benefit. So sure you're gonna give
these parents these vouchers, Well, who do y'all think? And

(01:53:16):
the vouchers don't even cover the full private school tuition.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
So Ran Thehill is going to go to school. It's
a scam. It's a sham. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Here's congresswoman's summer lead talking about this in Congress, Missus
Lee from Pennsylvania, Thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:53:32):
Mister chair. Public education is important to me, right.

Speaker 14 (01:53:37):
I am a product of public education from pre K
through college, indeed including programs like head Start. When I
listen to our colleagues on the other side, I'm always
baffled by the conversation because I feel like sometimes it
maybe intentionally misses the points we've talked and we will
continue to talk about good public schools, or passing public

(01:53:59):
schoo versus failing public schools. Instead of talking about failing
public policy, failing funding schemes, failing bureaucracy, we know that
we have a system of inequably funded schools in this country,
where the quality of your education can largely be determined.

Speaker 16 (01:54:13):
By your zip code or your family's wealth.

Speaker 14 (01:54:16):
In my home commonwealth of Pennsylvania, our funding scheme was
so inequitable that the court said we needed to go
back to the drawing board. Republicans would love to believe
that the solution is dismantling the Department of Education to
give us local choice, but what they're actually giving us
is the responsibility of subsidizing education to localities, where people
will pay higher property taxes to fund the discrimination of children.

(01:54:39):
The burden of the federal government divesting from public education
will be shouldered by first time home buyers, for instance,
and in Pittsburgh, where home ownership is already becoming unsustainable,
or by seniors in my school Homes School district of
Wilton Hills, those neighborhoods who are already strained and facing
the loss of their social Security benefits. These additional tax
dollars will help charter in private schools hands selects students

(01:55:00):
that will improve school's outcomes while maximizing school's bottom line.

Speaker 16 (01:55:04):
Our tax dollars won't help the children who will never be.

Speaker 14 (01:55:07):
Able to avail themselves of discriminatory school choices.

Speaker 16 (01:55:10):
Our public education system.

Speaker 14 (01:55:11):
Serves the child who is unhoused or transient, the child
in the foster care system who doesn't have too well
connected parents to push for scholarships, or the family facing
the digital deviate who will miss application deadlines reasonably. The
child who didn't have access to his start our preschool
like me, because we didn't invest in those and it's behind.
That child is behind in reading. We need to invest

(01:55:32):
in public education because it's the only option for children.
That's so called parents rights movement has decided are not
worth investing in.

Speaker 16 (01:55:38):
It's also no coincidence at the school choice movement.

Speaker 14 (01:55:40):
It's financed by billionaires like Jeffrey ass from my Commonwealth,
who's trying to turn my state's education system into his
own personal business. But a business's priority is to a stakeholders,
and children have no stake in the economic model.

Speaker 16 (01:55:53):
Of school choice.

Speaker 14 (01:55:54):
Miss Levin, I want to ask you about charter schools
run by for profit management companies. As you ended in
the last question, if a company is maximizing profit, it's
not spending all public dollars on students, especially students who
require more resources, which is why charter schools educate fewer
students with disabilities than traditional public schools. In your opinion,
Miss Levin, are these for profit charter management companies maximize

(01:56:15):
them profit at the cost of students and families.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (01:56:20):
Related to moving education into the private sector, one of
the rationales for school choice is this free market idea
that school choice will force public schools to compete for funding,
thereby for public schools will improve because of that.

Speaker 16 (01:56:33):
Does evidence support this? What does the research show? It
does not, and neither does common sense.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
There's a lot of school choice right now in the
public school system, So if competition is good, we're already
creating and getting those benefits. But providing high quality education
shouldn't be accomplished through through cutthroat competition. It should be
accomplished by giving every school the resources that it needs.

Speaker 19 (01:56:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:56:56):
According to the twenty twenty two gao OR report, over
thirty percent of Pensylvana charge that receive federal charter schools
program grand funding between twenty six and twenty twenty closed
are never opened out of quests. The unanimous consent for
the twenty twenty two GAO Report on federally funded charter school.

Speaker 16 (01:57:11):
Closures to be entered into the record with that objection.
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:57:15):
I've heard countless stories about charter schools closing because of fraud, mismanagement,
and voucher programs taking advantage of the fact that they
have no fiscal accountability. How concerned should we be about mismanagement, fraud,
and corruption If we expand federal support and funding for
charters and vouchers, we.

Speaker 16 (01:57:30):
Should be very concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:57:32):
You're right that there are numerous reports throughout the country
of both charter and voucher schools engaging in fraud, waste,
and abuse of public dollars. It's unconscionable to send billions
more in a federal voucher program to schools that have
almost no accountability or transparency requirements.

Speaker 16 (01:57:48):
Thank you, Ms Livan.

Speaker 14 (01:57:49):
It's clear that school choice, to the school choice fallacy
we're talking about today is just exacerbates to the inequalities
and the inequities we already have. While the white families
will continue to have their choices subsist by depriving largely
black and brown and other marginalized children of educational opportunities.
If school choice is going to work, children and families
do need real choices. A for profit charter school that

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closes a month after opening because of fraud mismanagement is
not a real choice. A private school where tuition is
twice as much as a child scholarship amount, where a
child is not entitled to an IP, and where a
child can be expelled, for instance, for having two moms,
it's not a real choice. An underfunded neighborhood school with
largest class size is fewer books, substandard wages for teachers,
and deteriorating infrastructure because everyone's increasing tax dollars are being

(01:58:34):
used to subsidize charters and private it's also not a
real choice. Families and children are fully funded, high quality,
well resourced public schools, and we can't accomplish that, but
not by giving away more handouts to billionaires that will
discriminate against the most marginalized students to turn a profit.

Speaker 16 (01:58:50):
I thank you all for your time, and I goel.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Back say what I want people to understand. What the
Republicans are trying to do. They're trying to use the
fraid school choice and parental choice to sell this. But
when you have these billionaires who purposely are giving ten,
fifteen to twenty million dollars to these Republican governors to

(01:59:13):
push this, we know exactly what this is all about.
It has nothing to do with outcomes. I stood in
front of a group in Washington, DC more than two
decades ago, and I said, hmm, so y'all support vouchers.
I said, okay, if you truly support vouchers, then you
should only support vouchers for students who attend schools in

(01:59:35):
the bottom ten percent. I said, once you start there,
I said, but when you start trying to push vouchers
for all parents.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
I said, we know what that's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
That's about white suburban parents being able to get those
tax dollars to send their kids to private schools so
they don't have to keep forking over all the money themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
And the room went real.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Quiet, and I said, and if you don't support what
I said first, that tells me you actually don't support
vouchers for real. You're actually full of shit, right.

Speaker 11 (02:00:14):
What we're seeing is wealth redistribution and a cast system
in our education system. That's what dismantling the Department of
Education is for. That's where these Republicans governors are bought
and paid for by the so called school choice, these
charter schools, and that's all this is about. This country
has not shown that it is interested in equally equitably

(02:00:37):
educating its students, and we for damn sure are not
heading down that path with Republicans in office holding the
trifecta of control of the government, and so the gas
flighting is not going to work. And pretty soon they're
not even going to feel the needs of gas like
They're just going to straight up say it and it's
going to be deal with a bobby who gonna check
me boom.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
See the thing here, Jade is folk got to recognize,
in fact what's happening is I'm actually going to be
in Austin and state capital on Wednesday. I'm being honored
by the Texas Legislated Black Caucus as an outstanding Texan
and I hit Representative tul Rico said, Hey, I'll be
more than happy to do something, hold news conference or

(02:01:21):
whatever I say to speak out against this because we
know what this is. We know what this scam is,
and these folks who actually don't care about educational outcomes.
They don't care about it because the numbers are the numbers.
You literally have finite number of private schools in the
entire state. You have huge areas inner city and rule,

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but there are no private schools, okay, And so all
of a sudden, you're going to completely create a massive
statewide voucher program in Texas for every public school student
when a very small, small, small percentage can go to
the private schools.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
So are you serious, No, we know what this is.

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
This is about white suburban parents, and it's also about
the right who want to decimate teachers' unions because they
support Democrats.

Speaker 10 (02:02:18):
We know what this is.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
And so my whole deal is just be upfront and
say it. Stop trying to sell this as, oh, this
is going to be great for parental choice.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
It rolling You're right, because there's no parents or students
at the table, right. This is for the need.

Speaker 12 (02:02:33):
Like you said, we already know what this is for,
and this is for the bureaucats to continue to try
to hold on to the power, every sense of the
power that they have and that they've always had. And
like you said, the same ones who can afford us
send their kids to private school. Also, I am so
sick of this administration weaponizing education and treating education like
a business right instead of like a service that it

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really is. They're treating it like an option instead of
it's a necessity. And what it's doing these jaconian efforts,
they're really punishing. And not only are they punishing, they're
dehumanizing the students, particularly the students who really need it
or are for marginalized communities and who really kind of
don't stand a chance generationally. And just like the Congress
Wroomen said, I always say that kids should not be

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punished because of their social economic background or their zip code.

Speaker 4 (02:03:21):
And that's exactly what is happening here.

Speaker 12 (02:03:23):
And if you're taking and with their zip codes and
the socio economic background, a lot of that we know
in our communities can be generational. Right, So what does
that look like in the future, What does that look
like after they graduate high school?

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
Does that look like going on to college?

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
What does that look like for our community in the future.

Speaker 12 (02:03:38):
It doesn't look like they're not even considering the well
being of our students in the future, because it's not
about us as we know, right and most passionately to me,
the IEP programs. That's something with the students with disability
as very as a person who has a disability myself
that was accommodated why I was in school, in public school.
That's something that I that I know is essential to

(02:03:58):
any future access for any hint of successful future with
public school students. So that is something that's near and
dear to me, which I know that administration does not
care about.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
See Greg.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
The thing here that whatever I hear these people start
talking about education, I mean, you see it right now
with what's.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
Happened to deal, we let's send the money to the states.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
First of all, ninety percent of school funding in America
comes from local and state dollars. Okay, it ain't coming
from the federal government ninety percent. So when people, when
I hear there's a publicans say, well, I mean, look
at these outcome, look at these math and reading scores.
So get rid of the Department education. Department of Education

(02:04:43):
federally is not responsible for math and reading scores. That's
the States. And the fact of the matter is when
you look at some of the worst places in America
when it comes to education.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
A lot of them are in southern states, Red states.
But it's amazing how they seem to forget that. But
the next thing is, when you start talking.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
About educating kids, you start it goes beyond it just
you're talking about buildings, facilities, You're talking about kids who
go to school hungry every single day. Are you talking
about kids when it comes to healthcare? So the issue
education in America is not solely a school issue.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
The issue with.

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
Education in America it is a neighborhood issue, an economic issue,
a parental issue. It is a widespread issue. And it's
not even just solely a funding issue. It's a lot
of things that actually go into it. But the reality
is the same people who all of a sudden now
want to yell school choice are the same folks who

(02:05:44):
never truly wanted to invest in non white public schools.

Speaker 10 (02:05:53):
That is that's right.

Speaker 9 (02:05:54):
These are the same people who, if we were back
in the days of captivity, would be the plantation owners.
They want their people controlled. And you're absolutely right. I mean,
and I love the way that we opened with the EPA.
It's the same playbook you read Project twenty twenty five
at the Department of education. What they don't like about
the department regulation the education is regulation and oversight regulation,

(02:06:17):
meaning you get to manage these dollars these federals loan
dollars and stuff, you know, and oversight K twelve. Part
of that is data collection. So just like we were
hearing earlier, you want to get rid of any oversight
capacity so you can smash the numbers and make anything
make whatever, since you need to make it make sense
and you want to steal all the public dollars. Now,

(02:06:39):
our friend, Chuck Cunningham, the pride of Humble, Texas, went
to our lady of the Lake University. Chuck Cunningham, Sir,
I would recommend to you one book and right here,
the Privateers how billionaires created a culture war and sold
school vouchers.

Speaker 10 (02:06:57):
It just came out Josh Collen.

Speaker 9 (02:07:00):
But then again, I wouldn't recommend this to you because
you already know because you're owned by the billionaires. Either
that or you're stupid as hell and you wasted all
your mom and daddy money to go to that school. Well,
he was in the military access so he probably wanted
a GI bill. Imagine that as they're eviscerating veterans in
this country. What an embarrassment to the race you are, sir.
But when you start looking at these companies, the Cato Institute,

(02:07:22):
the think tank was formerly the Charles Koch Foundation, the
Milton and Rose Freedman Foundation, which is now short the
American Federation for Children. When you look at these foundations,
you know what they are. They are think tanks designed
for one purpose, and one purpose only, to move public
dollars to private schools.

Speaker 10 (02:07:43):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (02:07:45):
Now, here's the thing. And you've already laid this out,
so we won't rehearse this again, Roland. But what you're
raising is is very important because education systems in a
society are to bring into adulthood and to the responsibility
he's for continuing society young people. The reason that the
American education system has never been uniform is because there

(02:08:09):
are too many people here who people don't want to educate.
It is the racism that's going to kill the American
education system, just like it's going to be the racism
that kills everything else. You said it, absolutely right. This
is the same rotten sickness that affects everything. And when
you see this fight and you know, Roland, you know
you know the school choice. I am for like du

(02:08:29):
Boyce said. D boy said, I'm not for segregate education.
I'm not for integrated education. I'm for education for Black
people by any means necessary. I saw this play out
the Council for Independent Black Institutions, the African Senate Schools,
some of which you know you in Chicago, you know
Babajaki and Mamasaphicia, Ma Booty and the African Senate Schools
there in Chicago, roots public charter school. Here in DC

(02:08:49):
sankop for Freedom Academy at the K twelve Freedom School
that I was one of the people who helped write
the proposal to get it. In Philadelphia, we took the
charter school dollars because of exactly what you said.

Speaker 10 (02:09:00):
If we can get public dollars to.

Speaker 9 (02:09:01):
Control our curriculum, hire our teachers, then we want our
money back to do exactly that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
That has been the hour.

Speaker 9 (02:09:08):
And I saw the debate in CBE the Council of
Black Institution in the nineties when some folk were like, yeah, that's.

Speaker 10 (02:09:14):
Not how this is going to work.

Speaker 9 (02:09:16):
Finally, this is what it comes down to at the
end of the day, whether it be the nineteen nineties
in Milwaukee, which meant ultimately Wisconsin, where you had an
old school black nasalist or Wuku Sadaki who his European
name is Howard Fuller, with charter schools there in Milwaukee.

Speaker 10 (02:09:31):
Whether you saw in the two.

Speaker 9 (02:09:32):
Thousands with Betsy de Voss being slapped back with the
voucher referendum in Michigan only to reappear in the Trump
administration to push that shit at the level of the
federal government, Whether it be in the fives and six
when Indiana went public charter and voucher and got their
money on that, got their hands on that, Mitch Daniels, remember,

(02:09:53):
the governor of Indiana, or whether it be in twenty
twenty two when Moms for fn Liberty, these fascists with
the whole agenda of one agenda only to eviscerate public
dollars and put them in private hands. The agenda has
always been the same in this capitalist country.

Speaker 10 (02:10:10):
It's profit.

Speaker 9 (02:10:11):
And the best way to protect profit in the United
States of America is to go hardcore white nationalists and
get these he abilities who would rather have their whiteness
over their lives, eviscerate the things that might lift them
out of poverty through education and bleep their votes over
to people who couldn't give less of a damn about them.
And that's what we see in playing out in Texas
yet again.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
And the last thing that they actually want to do, folks,
they want to fund religious institutions, private resurgent institutions, right
that that is also because they desire a conservative theocracy
in America.

Speaker 2 (02:10:48):
So just understand the.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
Game that's being played. And the last point I may
hear that was a white woman over an organization in Texas.
This probably was four or five years ago. I think
it was pre COVID. She had reached out to doctor
Steve Perry, who's doing amazing with his charter schools in
Connecticut in New York City, and so Steve was like, well,
I don't know anything about Texas, he said, but you

(02:11:11):
call my man rolling.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
So they get me on the phone.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
It's a three way and so while the woman is talking,
I can't remember the name of the group. I'm looking
at her website. And so they wanted Steve and they
wanted us to help with mobilizing black and Latino parents
to support. This was the initial voucher plan.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
And I said, but.

Speaker 1 (02:11:34):
Baby, you're playing gonna die She's like, excuse me. I said, yeah,
I happened to play in the golf tournament, the Texas
Black Caucaus Golf Tournament, about three weeks ago, and y'all
playing gonna die. It ain't gonna go anywhere. I said,
So the inner city folk and the rule folks gonna
kill y'all playing. I said, but let me ask you
a question. I said, do you know who?

Speaker 2 (02:11:52):
I said, do you know.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
What are the high performing black and Latino charter schools
in Houston? She said no. I said, do you know
the high performing black and Latino charter schools in Dallas?
She goes, no, I don't. I said, well, do you
happen to know the high performing black and Latino charter
schools in San Antonio? She said no, I don't. I said,

(02:12:18):
I said, that's not surprising to me. I said, because
your whole boy is white. I said, how are you?
How y'all y'all know, I don't give a damn okay,
because first of all, I ain't I ain't getting up
from them, they ain't paying me nothing, So I'm gonna
just tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:12:36):
I said, Baby, your whole boy's white. I said, how are.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
You trying to organize and mobilize black and Latino parents
to come and support your initiative when you don't even
know who the black and Latino charter schools are as
we speak, I said, y'all gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (02:12:57):
So here's my suggestion. Over the next two years.

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
The Texas legislature meets every two years, I said, suggests
the next two years, you go figure out who the
black people are right now at those schools and go
learn and talk with them, I said, as opposed to
only trying to get black and Latino people to come
help y'all white.

Speaker 2 (02:13:15):
Folks out in Austin, because you look looking to action
to help white parents.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
Man, when I say this white woman was ooh, Loreicia,
that jot Rishino?

Speaker 4 (02:13:27):
What she know?

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
What the hell what Matt truck just rolled over her ass.

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
But that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:13:34):
I said, Baby, you can't be asking for us to
come stand and fight for you when you don't even
know who the hell we are.

Speaker 2 (02:13:42):
But that's what we're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
And what they did in Texas was it was rural
Republicans conservatives who voted against about your plan.

Speaker 2 (02:13:52):
Hell, Greg Abbott and.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
The billionaires targeted all eight of them, beat five of them.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
And now these white folks.

Speaker 1 (02:14:01):
Not but to realize because this thing is getting closer
to passing in Texas and they don't even realize how
they about to get screwed. But like a lot of
these crazy, dumbass white Republicans, they keep selling, they keep
selling their souls because billionaires are funding the efforts.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
And then we just sit and look at them, go, yeah,
we tried to tell you, We tried to tell you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:21):
What's going on. So I just need people to understand.
I will be in Texas on Wednesday. I'm a native
of Houston.

Speaker 2 (02:14:29):
Do I support this bullshit voucher bill down there? Hell no,
because I.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
Know a scam when I see it, and so we
should not allow ourselves to get pimped and played by
any of this. And last point, like I said earlier,
I want black run, Black control charter schools. I want
our people running them, controlling them, in charge hiring as well.

(02:15:00):
Because if you tell me right now that if I
can control.

Speaker 26 (02:15:04):
The school and the money and the curriculum and the
contracts and the hiring, hell yeah, I want to take
control of that as opposed to just yell and complain
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
So if you disagree with me, that's fine. But I'm
real clear, and I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
I was in the meeting. It was thirty people in
the room, y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
It was two black people, one hispanic dude, and I
was talking.

Speaker 2 (02:15:31):
It was at the National Charter Alliance. We were in Nashville,
I think, and we were in the.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
Meeting and hispanic guy goes, well, I'll keep hearing all
this black stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
I believe in inclusion. I said, hey, man, you are
more than welcomed to start school.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
Choice is the Latino choice, Roland is here for black people.
I looked at the whole room, was like, I just
want y'all to be clear. I'm here for black people.
And they were just like, so, I'm real clear where
I stand on that, y'all. Y'all know I'm that ignorant.

(02:16:09):
I said, there was thirty people in the room, two
people one of the teeno dude.

Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
It was twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
White people, and I said, roll here for black people only,
So I ain't give a damn.

Speaker 2 (02:16:23):
All right, all right, Greg, hey hey right, hey, hey.

Speaker 1 (02:16:32):
Dog, hey dog, you can do what you want to do.
You can start your own shit row ain't here fighting
for you. I'm here fighting for us. That's what I said,
and men, every damn word. All right, y'all, as said,
I appreciate y'all being on today's show.

Speaker 2 (02:16:46):
Thank you so very much. Folks.

Speaker 1 (02:16:48):
If y'all want to support effort, and let me say again, y'all,
matter of fact, let me bring Recie Jade Greg back
up if they left yet. Greg was part of our studio.
I know recy was swamped that night, but y'all, March fourth,
we did a State of our Union.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
And let me tell you all why that thing was
so powerful.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
That thing spread every black family grew chat all across
the country.

Speaker 2 (02:17:12):
We didn't buy no ass, no billboards.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
That was a one text message that I sent to
some people and they just forward to their group and
their group, and that thing spread and we were cleared,
don't watch mainstream television. We're gonna have Reverend Barber give
our state of our union when reverende when I tossed
to Reverend Barber, we hit two hundred thousand simultane live viewers.

(02:17:37):
It hit two hundred and fifty thousand while he was speaking.
Greg was sitting next to that. I wasn't even watching
grigs like man, we had two forty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
That thing kept going.

Speaker 1 (02:17:46):
My man Keenan sent me a text that just blew
me away, and he said our YouTube representative told him
point blank. He said that that night, the State of
our Union live stream was number five of all live
broadcasts on YouTube, behind Fox News is live stream, the

(02:18:07):
White House, Fox News itself associated Press, and we were
number five. So all of other progressive channels, all the
other news channels were number we were higher than them.
But that shows you the power of black people. And see,
it's what always say, we do it once. It shows
we can do it more than one time. And so

(02:18:27):
don't let anybody tell you black folks are not interested
in news and we don't care. But we have to
make sure that we are creating the platform for them
to access the information.

Speaker 2 (02:18:38):
And again, I purposely and I don't mind. I know
recy I see her tweets.

Speaker 1 (02:18:43):
Hey, if y'all want to watch them housewise shows and
love and hip hop and all that, gone right ahead,
even though I heard reci the ratings for the Real
Housewives of Atlanta where the record low this year, but
us anyway, But.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
Again, you can watch all them shows you want to.

Speaker 1 (02:18:59):
But I purposely do not discuss those shows or gossip
or entertainment or any of that stuff, because there should
be someplace where we only talk about of the news
and issues. And so I want to thank y'all to participated.
I want think everybody who watched it, because that is huge.
And y'all remember, and I lost this show in twenty eighteen.
YouTube told YouTube told me that Black News wasn't gonna work.

(02:19:22):
And I said, okay, let's see that question. Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (02:19:27):
Okay, I don't know the answer to this, but you
remember the minute you went off the air in the
wee hours Wednesday morning, the number hit a million.

Speaker 10 (02:19:36):
So what does that? Does that mean that at some point?

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
I mean so that so that so that's so that's
called total views. That's that's just total views. That's just
total views. Remember at midnight, we still had one hundred
and one thousand who was still watching, So the total
numbers or it was like one point four million views,
but we had but we hit simultaneous two hundred and
fifty thousand lives viewers at the moment Trump was speaking,

(02:20:03):
but we were carrying Reverend William Barber. So that's why,
that's why, And so that's why. So it's how they
calculate in terms of how the German views. But we
have people were watching us literally simultaneously. Weren't just hopping
on and off, they were simultaneous and washing throughout.

Speaker 10 (02:20:19):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
So that's so again one thing everybody who did that.
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