HUD drops discrimination cases, HHS 10k firings, SBA takes over student loans,Justin Pearson vs MAGA

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Seven twenty twenty five coming up on rollingd marked Unfulter
streaming live on the Black Star Network. I told y'all,
Donald Trump and MAGA does not give a damn about
black people. Two housing discrimination cases in Texas, my home state,
are on hold because of MAGA. We'll talk with the
reporter for Pro Publica even reporting on this story. They

(01:54):
also don't care about regular ordinary people. Do you realize
that Trump is trying to give money back back to
a company that was hit with discrimination charges from the
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. I'll tell you about that as well.
Ten thousand folks getting laid off in the Department of
Health and Human Services. These are MAGA cuts continue and yes,

(02:16):
they will negatively impact black people as well as veterans. Well,
guess what the country's one point six trillion dollar portfolio
of student loans will be leaving the Department of Education
and going over to the smaller business administration. Do they
know how to manage that? Yeah, we'll break about break
down that. Also, Phoenix, Arizona cops, they actually repeatedly punched

(02:40):
a black man with cerebral palsy. They get suspended for
twenty four hours? Does that make any sense whatsoever? Also,
Will showed you yesterday the confrontation in Tennessee between the
state Representative Justin Pearson and a Maga Republican. He will
be joining us today to talk about what took place
in at Tennessee. Also, big election of Wisconsin Supreme Court

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Speaker 2 (04:11):
Donald Trump picks a black man to lead hud Scott Turner.
He's actually from Texas, but all skin folk ain't kenfolk.
The Department of HUD is actually dropping two cases of
racial discrimination that have been filed in Texas, joining us
right now. As Jesse Coburn, reporter of Pro Publica, they
have breaking down this story. Tell us about this story

(04:34):
Jesse's title, fellow investigators were preparing two Texas housing discrimination
cases until Trump took over.

Speaker 8 (04:43):
Yeah, and thanks for having me roland So. HUD for
years has been mounting two major investigations into alleged housing
discrimination in the state of Texas. One was looking at
a state agency that, according to HUD, steered a billion
dollars in Hurricane Harvey disaster recovery money away from communities

(05:07):
of color like Houston, Harris County, other populist communities of
color that were hit really hard in the storm and
steered that money away from those places and toward wider,
more rural communities that were hit less hard during the storm.
The other case involves a homeowners association outside of Dallas

(05:27):
that passed rules in twenty twenty two that prohibited landlords
from renting to Section eight tenants, so people who had
housing vouchers that were subsidized by the federal government to
help them pay for their housing. These are poor, elderly
or disabled people in this town, it's called Providence Village.

(05:49):
Nearly all of the voucher holders of the village were black,
and some of them started moving out after this rule
was passed. HUD found that that violated the Fair Housing
Act issued a charge in that discrimination. In that case,
HUD referred both of those cases to the Department of Justice,
which is a normal step after the Housing Department finds

(06:10):
evidence of discrimination, and what normally happens is that the
Department of Justice then takes those cases and files lawsuits
against the alleged perpetrators of that discrimination. But what happened
here is after the Trump administration took office, the Housing
Department yanked both of those cases back without explanation, and
officials who I spoke to said, it leaves these cases

(06:30):
in a state of limbo, and they think it probably
kills them. There's no clear way for them to move
forward now, which is a remarkable turn of events given
just how long the federal government spent investigating these cases
and how sure it was that you know, illegal discrimination
had occurred here, right.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
And so here's the issue here's the issue that we
are dealing with here. And we've seen this not just
with housing and so many areas. Donald Trump and MAGA
basically is saying, where there's been discriminate against black people,
we don't give a damn. They're literally ending these cases.
There was a voting rights case in Texas. They pull

(07:07):
out of that lawsuit. We start talking about every single
one of these departments over and over and over again.
They've Donald Trump, jd Vance, Elon Musk and MAGA are
essentially saying, there's no discrimination. We are ending everything. And
we can see this in multiple areas.

Speaker 8 (07:24):
In a federal government, it certainly doesn't seem like a
major priority of the administration. And you know, you know,
it's not just these cases, as you said. You know
at HUD, the agency has just cut dozens of grants
to local organizations that fight housing discrimination. There's projections circulating
within HUD that the division that fights housing discrimination is

(07:48):
going to be cut by as much as seventy six percent.
The Department of Justice in January, they were memos circulating saying, hey,
we're going to freeze all of our civil rights litigation
right now. Education just gutted its civil Rights Office. So
there's a trend happening across the federal government that suggests
a sort of broad rollback of civil rights enforcement under

(08:10):
the second Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I have I did a video shortly off the inauguration
where I said, MAGA wants to defund Black America. What
this is saying right here, is it that Donald Trump, Republicans
and MAGA they don't represent all Americans, they don't represent
all constituents. What they're saying is to black Texas and others,
y'all don't matter. We don't actually care. They're not even

(08:32):
looking at these cases from a factual standpoint. It's literally, Hey,
if it's they're looking at anything that says discrimination, race, equity, diversity, inclusion, Hey,
if that's involved, it all ends. I haven't seen anything
where they say, you know what, we're going to continue
these actions. They are basically saying to people, if you

(08:55):
discriminate against black people and others, you got free reign
because hudd OJ and other agencies, we're not going to
do anything to you.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
And you know, I spoke to a fair housing lawyer
who used to work in HUD and is representing some
of the plaintiffs in these cases, and she expressed the
concern that you know, we could be moving back to
like a pre Civil Rights Act era.

Speaker 9 (09:21):
Yeah, extermination is rapped in.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
I mean, that's that's someone who's spent her life working
in this area and that's her concern. So, you know,
for people who are working this area, there's there's really
alarm bells ringing right now.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
But I do want to talk about that billion dollars
because here's the deal. The late Sylvester Turner, former congressman,
he was the mayor of Houston. He was the mayor then,
and what you had there was you had Texas Governor,
Republican Maga, Republican Greg Abbott. They they were like, you
know what, We're going to penalize Harris County and the
Republicans and the Texas Legislature. And again I'm Native Texans,

(09:56):
so this hat ain't just for show. They we're targeting
Harris County. They hate Harris County. They hate Harris County
because it's blue. They hate the fact that there are
four Democrats who in the Harris County Commissioner's Court. They
hate the fact that Democrats control the city council, Democrats
control the district Attorney's office, and so this was about

(10:18):
penalizing Harris County, and you had massive damage in Harris County,
and that money came from the federal government. That money
came from the federal government. And this is the problem
when it goes to the states, where the tech the
governor can say, I'm gonna decide how it's being spent,
and they simply said, we're gonna screw Harris County and
we're gonna spend the money elsewhere. And to me, and

(10:40):
I would love for some lawyers to weigh in, but
this actually has a negative impact, as your story lays out,
on African Americans and others, because these are largely black
and brown people who were impacted by this.

Speaker 8 (10:53):
That certainly HUDs of you. I mean, you know, it's
kind of remarkable. In the city of Houston, I believe
half of all the buildings were damaged in Hurricane Harvey,
and the city in that of that initial billion dollars
didn't get a penny. Harris County not a penny. So
you know, when you think about, uh, you know, the
sort of racial composition of the city of Houston, of

(11:15):
the other counties that you know, we're basically snubbed for
this money. You know, it's not hard. It's to see
why I came to the conclusion, you know, that there
was a sort of race based discrimination here.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, uh so uh so. So essentially with the
abandoning this is there the residents there for any place
to go.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
So the the plaintiffs or the complainants in the cases,
they can bring their own lawsuits. But you know that's
a costly and time consuming process, and you know, in
the in the Hurricane Harvey case, you know, they'd be
fighting the state, you know, which has endless resources to
litigate these cases. And they've shown that, uh you know,
they they really don't think the cases have any merit.

(12:00):
They've disputed the allegations from the start. I don't you know,
see them back me down from a fight on this.
But you know, it's really the federal government's job to
enforce civil rights laws. So you know, I think some
you know, fair housing advocates would argue, you know, the
victims of this alleged discrimination shouldn't have to you know,
spend their own time and money, uh you know, fighting

(12:22):
these cases in court. That's the that's the government's job.
And you know, as they see at the government's not
not doing that here, so you know, short of that,
it's not really clear how these cases move forward. They
might just die on the vine.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Folks. Here we go to my ipay it folks, if
you can have the time, go to pro Publica dot com,
p R O, p U B L I c A
dot com. You can look at this story. Fellow investigators.
We're preparing to Texas housing discrimination cases until Trump took over.
The story done by journalists Jesse Cobra and Jesse. We
appreciate you being on the show. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 8 (12:56):
Hey, thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I'm gonna go to my panel right now. Greg got
the Greg card depart in the Act for American Studies
at Howard University. Glad to have you Greg. Also doctor
Nola Haynes. Of course she also is a foreign policy
expert professor at Georgetown here in d C. Glad to
have both of you here. Greg, You've got family there

(13:17):
in Texas. Nola Yu from next door in Louisiana. I'm
just here's the deal. I'm gonna say it and I
don't care. He appoints a Negro to Leed Hud who's
from Texas. In Scott Turner. They do these actions. All
of those Negroes who are dancing and enjoying themselves at

(13:38):
the White House Black History Month reception silent. You've heard
them say nothing nothing about this case, nothing about them
pulling out of the case of cancer alley there in Louisiana,
impacting black people, nothing about all of these here. And
so it's fundamentally clear Donald Trump, jd Vance, Elon Musk Doge,

(13:59):
the Republican Party, MAGA, don't give a damn about black people. Greg,
They don't care.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
You're right, Roland.

Speaker 11 (14:09):
And the beautiful thing about this is perhaps we finally
will get the message that they don't in a way
that will help us react the way we should be reacting.
We don't give a damn about them. Let's be very
clear about that. In fact, it's ironic. Last night, in
a class of teacher over at Howard Law School, we
covered the chapter in our casebook on housing law and

(14:29):
housing discrimination. The Fair Housing Act of nineteen sixty eight
has been ineffective in a lot of ways. We know that,
but we also know this private nonprofit fair housing organizations
processed three They process about three quarters of all housing
discrimination complaints and Frankly, the only process is about five percent,

(14:53):
and the Department of Justice process is less than zero
point two percent, actually point one percent of housing discrimination cases.
It has always been the nonprofits. The Fair Housing Act
is very important. It's still there. There's section nineteen eighty
two and nineteen eighty three of the Federal US Code,
which stretches back to the Civil Rights Act of eighteen
sixty six. All of that law remains on the books.

(15:14):
And here's why I'm going with this. Finally, when we
look at that clown Ben Carson, horbably miscast, of course,
as the Secretary of Hood in the first Trump administration,
we also know that he wrote the chapter on HOOD
in Project twenty twenty five. You told people for years,
they showed us what they were going to do.

Speaker 10 (15:31):
Ben Carson wants to.

Speaker 11 (15:32):
Hollow out HOOD and outsource all that stuff to private
developers to get your tax money for everything from rent
to subsidized Section eight subsidized housing. All that's the thing
they're putting in place. But here's the punchline. This is
the moment when we step up and punch these white
nationalists in the face the way we did in the
nineteen thirties and forties with voting rights in Texas, we

(15:55):
see the Nicks and Wies versus old rate cases. In
all those cases, the white primaries. Our lawyers now must
now congeal around the idea of these private, nonprofit fair
housing organizations.

Speaker 10 (16:09):
Using the constitution, win or lose.

Speaker 11 (16:12):
Around the Fourteenth Amendment, around the Civil Rights Active eighteen
sixty six, around the Civil Rights Active nineteen sixty four,
and around the Fair Housing Act of nineteen sixty eight.
Because the federal government has never, never been a champion
of fair housing.

Speaker 10 (16:25):
And that goes for both administrations.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
See this is the moment right here, Nola, for me
that if you're Democrats and you're talking about regaining power,
then you hit stuff like this very hard. You begin
to make the argument that for all of their talk,
they do not care about working class people, they don't
care about regular ordinary people. And see Trump wants to

(16:50):
target diversity, equity, and inclusion and wanted to discuss anything
with a raise. But this is where you say, listen up, Latinos.
They what Trump is saying is they can discriminate against
you and they will do nothing. You say the same
thing to black people. Democrats have got to be to me,
using language where you are saying they are screwing you over.

(17:14):
They want to take your money that that was awarded
to you and give it back to these folks in
a consumer financial protection bureau. To me, that's the argument
that you should be taking. They're going to be far
more aggressive in doing that versus some of the basic
language they've been using.

Speaker 12 (17:31):
I agree how the Democrats decide to punch back, because
that's absolutely what needs to happen. As I'm as we're
talking about this, I cannot get that disgusting video of
Christy Gnome out of my head and what.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
That signals for me, as she's standing in.

Speaker 12 (17:48):
Front of those stacked human bodies for some sort of disgusting,
sick photo op. It just reminds me how much these
people don't consider us to be human.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
It's not about oh, they don't.

Speaker 12 (18:02):
They don't care about black folks, they don't care about Latinos,
of course not.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
They don't think we're human.

Speaker 10 (18:08):
They don't.

Speaker 12 (18:08):
You see what I'm saying, like the idea that they
care about how how we are being mistreated, that they
care that overwhelmingly, that their policies are targeting, specifically targeting us.
They do not care, and what they are banking on
is that the rest of the country won't care either,
that other people will not care. Right, So I think

(18:30):
the Democrats need to come back and and and and
stay on this issue and make the American people understand
what we are up against.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
This is not just dismantling.

Speaker 12 (18:45):
Of the federal government, which you know, snatches away the
future of the black middle class. This goes a lot deeper.
And that's the Democratic Party needs to get down to
that nugget of that thing inside of you, you know
what I mean, Like, that's where they need to touch,
deep down, because this is way beyond lanks, you know,

(19:08):
firing people from their.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Jobs absolutely, and see, I need people to understand what's
going on. I mean, everybody understand what's going on here.
And if y'all don't understand it, I broke it down
right here. What is happening before us? Put it twenty
twenty five? This right here, go to my iPad, Henry.
This is what Greg was referencing. This is the chapter

(19:29):
that Ben Carson wrote on HUD. First of all, we
know he didn't write it because he ain't that smart
discussion house. So let's be real clear. He put his
name on it, or his name was attached, or he
agreed to allow his name to be used. But he
is not that smart on housing policy to write this section.
This was written by white conservatives in the Heritage Foundation.

(19:51):
But I lay out in my book White Fear, how
the browning of Americas making white folks lose their minds,
that the attack on civil rights and on things not
just DEI, but the tax on again providing and discrimination.
This is because of this. They are scared to death.
And the reason greg I keep saying white Democrats should

(20:12):
not run away from this versus trying to use this
non racial language to appeal to white people. The reality
is Vice President Kamala Harris did not lose because she
lost white voters. In fact, the polls show the exit polling,
the data show from Black Voter Project, from poster from

(20:34):
a man terrence from Hit Strategies that she got on
par the number of white votes as Joe Biden did
in twenty twenty. Where she lost was there was a
decrease in black turnout, Latino turnout, and young turnout. And
this to me is where you say, guess what, ain't
no Democrats gonna get higher than what Biden and Harris

(20:58):
got with the white vote. But if you're gonna win,
you're gonna win by jacking a black turnout. And what
you say is you hit this right here. You say,
Black America, Donald Trump and MAGA has no concern about
protecting your rights. They want to allow people to discriminate
against you, and then you'll simply cite their own actions.

(21:20):
That's how you reach the folk who have been tuning
you out.

Speaker 11 (21:27):
You're absolutely right, Ronan, And for me, I'm excited. Actually,
I'm very much energized by the moment we're.

Speaker 10 (21:34):
In because hopefully, and this is with.

Speaker 11 (21:37):
Our effort, as you say, we're gonna finally have it
out with these white nascars. John Rick Clarke used to
say this, black people, you have no friends, and I'm
saying that, and I'm so glad that you wear in
a conversation last night with my friend Ni coylleague Cherylyn Nifel,
who's opening her fourteenth Amendment Center here at Howard at
the Law School tomorrow nine to four, and the public
is invited, as you talked about last night, because now

(21:59):
is the time when we come out of the defensive
crouch and we punched these white boys in the face
the dog killing Christy Know is standing there because as
her molten face vomited some other form of supremacy, she
is desperate. It is exactly what you said. It's not
white hate. Hate comes from white fear, and so they

(22:20):
are terrified and they should be why because this is
the end. Friends, Your demographics are cratering, You're losing support.
There was an argument in Financial Times today that talked
about how poor whites in rural Louisiana their hospitals are
going to close. If Maga Mike Johnson, whose district fifty
three percent of those people rely on those benefits between

(22:42):
Medicare and Medicaid and Obamacare, they while these people cut
their throats, these white nastas will go to the grave
voting and choosing their whiteness over their lives. But as
you have said for a long time, as our friend
Gary Chamber says, in Louisiana, when we vote our numbers.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
We win.

Speaker 11 (22:59):
I was this week and I was in Atlanta. Brother
Randall Mangom, who is Georgia State Senator District fifty five.

Speaker 10 (23:05):
His district include Stoone Mountain. He was saying, to.

Speaker 11 (23:08):
The point, you're raising right now, Rowland, He said, four
hundred thousand, almost four hundred thousand people black people didn't
vote this year, who showed up in twenty twenty and
they carried Georgia bout over one hundred thousand votes. That
was enough to deliver Georgia.

Speaker 10 (23:24):
Blue four times.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
Almost.

Speaker 11 (23:26):
If we organize, if we participate, we win. And this
is last thing I'll say. This is the point you're raising, Roland.
It is so critical, so critical, and it excites me
to know.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
End. Listen what these whites stopped chasing these white boys.

Speaker 9 (23:41):
Send James Carvel back to the swamp, send.

Speaker 11 (23:44):
Joe and Mika back to the studio, and we roll
over them like the sea. And not only will we win,
history shows us we will always win when we do that.

Speaker 10 (23:53):
This is the time to be excited as far as
I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Indeed, indeed, and a little bit after this next segment,
we're gonna talk about Christie Known, nobody's talking about affected.
She also was likely standing in front of a green screen.
I'm gonna show y'all. I'm gonna show y'all what I'm
talking about. When we get to that segment, we're gonna
go to a break Yeah, I'm trying to tell you.

(24:16):
When I show it, you're gonna see it. Trust Me,
when you see when I show it to you, you're
gonna be like, hold up, what happened right there? I
just can't y'all can't wait for that. That's gonna be
in about twenty minutes. All right, y'all gonna go to
a break right here and rolland market Unfiltered the Black
Star Network. When we come back, lots more discuss We're
gonna talk about the slashing of ten thousand jobs and

(24:39):
health in human services. Yet ten thousand more jobs, a
lot of veterans, and trust me, a lot of black
people as well. Also, they're moving the control of the
small businesses, the student lawn portfolio out of the Department
Education over to the SBA. Then a smart move. Ain't
nothing the Trump folks doing it smart. That's next right

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App what's good, John, This is Doug e freshing and
watching my brother Roland Martin unbuilty as we go with
a little something like this hit it.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
It's real.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
If you're a mon of the forty three million Americans
with student loan debt, you will soon be making the
payments of the Small Business Administration rather than the Department
of Education. That's because the twice in peach criminally convicted
felon in chief Donald the con Trump announced this change
on March twenty. First, here is that fool.

Speaker 18 (27:10):
The SBA, the Small Business Administration, headed by Kelly ad
Laffler's a terrific person, will handle all of the student portfolio.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
We have a portfolio that's very large, lots of.

Speaker 18 (27:23):
Loans, tens of thousands of loans.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Pretty complicated deal.

Speaker 18 (27:29):
And that's coming out of the Department of Education immediately
and it's going to be headed up by Kelley Loffler SBA,
and the role set for it.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
They're waiting for it.

Speaker 18 (27:39):
At will be serviced much better than it has in
the past.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
It's been a mess.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Roxane Guards, the director of policy at ed Trust, joins
us now glad to have you hear Roxanne, But like
I say, real simple, Okay, explain the move makes no sense.
This is all about destroying the Department of Education. And
it's not like you're saving job because you're going to
have to have people who are experts in this simply

(28:05):
still do the same job.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
No, that's definitely correct.

Speaker 19 (28:10):
It doesn't necessarily create a better system for students and borrowers.
And you know, I just want to say, this has
just been something that the President has talked about in
a comment.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
There has been no plan put forward for what this
would look like.

Speaker 19 (28:29):
And you know, I think the the important thing to
note is that everybody's talking about the executive order that
the President signed, you know, to begin to shut down
or dismantle the Department of Education. They themselves have acknowledged
that they need Congress to do that. They cannot unilaterally
do that. They also cannot unilaterally move the student loan

(28:52):
portfolio to the Small Business Administration.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
That is also in law.

Speaker 19 (28:56):
So the idea that in the meantime they can do
this piecemeal shuffle of you know, core functions of the
Department of Education to other agencies.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Is is not not right. It's it's also illegal.

Speaker 19 (29:11):
I mean, they could do it, but it would be
while they are ignoring the law essentially.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Okay, so what will what will be the impact on
just regular ordinary folk?

Speaker 19 (29:24):
So the impact here would likely be just a lot
of chaos, unanswered questions for students and borrowers. I think already,
you know, even before he signed the executive order, there
were mass layoffs at the Department of Education, So a
lot of the expertise, the technical expertise that you need

(29:46):
to run this very complicated UH program has already been lost.
Before all of this happened, there were all you know,
it was already hard to get somebody on the phone
to add your question. Whenever, you know, maybe you noticed
you had a missing qualifying payment for something like public
service loan forgiveness, or you were having trouble, you know,

(30:09):
getting in touch with your servicer. You would normally contact
the Federal Student at office. You would contact, you know,
the people there that are meant to help you deal
with these problems. Now, those people, you know, aren't necessarily
there because they've let a lot of people go in
these mass layoffs.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
But I would imagine if they.

Speaker 19 (30:28):
End up being able to pull this off and move
the loan portfolio to the SBA again illegal, but if
they do somehow manage to do it, you know, there
there won't be people there with the expertise on student
aid policy, the legal ways that you run that program

(30:50):
to answer those questions, or even just like the customer
service that students and borrowers need to help them answer
their question to navigate ate this complex system. So you're
likely to see, you know, long way times, more confusion
and people just not knowing where to turn when they
need help with managing their student loans.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So again, to me, this is just more chaos and
that in more disruption. That's really what the goal is.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 19 (31:23):
I think, you know, causing chaos, wreaking havoc. We already
saw that in the last couple of weeks when the
Department of Education essentially took down the applications for the
Income Driven Repayment Plan, so there was no option for
folks to go online and apply for an affordable, manageable

(31:43):
repayment plan. The department just reinstated that application put it
back online yesterday due to a legal challenge that was
brought forth by the AFT, But they're not actually processing
these applications yet, so again it's it's already wreaking havoc
on a system where borrowers are already living in limbo.

(32:06):
They don't really know what to do, they don't really
know what to turn where to turn on their questions
about their student loans.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
So then and then infusing.

Speaker 19 (32:15):
That with this conversation of well, let's move the portfolio
to another agency, the Small Business Administration, which we don't
really know you know why. I think more importantly the
President said, you know that they will they will do
a much better job. There's no been, no evidence, no
plan to show why they would be doing a much

(32:35):
better job at serving you know, students, their families and borrowers.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
All right, then well listen, it's just it's more drama.
That's what they want. It makes no sense whatsoever anything
else that our audis needs to know.

Speaker 19 (32:50):
I would say, you know, if you are having trouble
reaching somebody at the Department of Education or in this shuffle,
if you're having trouble accessing you know, answers.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
I would reach out to your member of Congress.

Speaker 19 (33:03):
They have caseworker teams that are meant to help when
you're having trouble with an agency.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
That's what they're there. For They should also know that.

Speaker 19 (33:13):
These you know, these announcements, these executive orders are causing
distress for their constituents. They're having trouble getting their their
questions answered. So I would definitely reach out to your
member of Congress, make sure they know, tell them you
know why this is a bad idea, why this would
be you know, a terrible thing to do at a
time when you know students, enviorrowers, and.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Their families, this is the last thing they need.

Speaker 19 (33:37):
They don't need more concern and confusion and chaos around,
you know, the payments that they need to make for
their their student loans. So I would definitely just make
your voice heard in that process, all.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right, box saying I appreciate it, thanks a lot, Thank you, folks.
A little bit earlier, Greg talked about the pathetic individual
who is the Directive Homeland Security, Christine Well. She was
turning the prison in El Salvador wearing a fifty to
sixty thousand dollar rolex, and she decided to post to
some social media said, I toured the CECOT L Savador's

(34:12):
terrorism confinement center. President Trump and I have a clear
message to criminal illegal aliens. Leave now. If you do
not leave, we will hunt you down, arrest you, and
you could end up in this El Salvadorian prison. And
this is what she.

Speaker 20 (34:24):
Said today and visiting this facility. And first of all,
I want to thank El Salvador and their president for
their partnership with the United States of America to bring
our terrorists here and to incarcerate them and have consequences
for the violence that they have perpetuated in our communities.
I also want everybody to know if you come to
our country illegally, this is one of the consequences you

(34:45):
could face. First of all, do not come to our
country illegally. You will be removed and you will be prosecuted.
But know that this facility is one of the tools
in our toolkit that we will use if you commit
crimes against the American people.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And just got some book, So I want you'all to
notice something. I don't want to know what the hell
do y'all notice the glitch here? I want y'all to listen,
look at the guy I want you to look at
I want you to look at this guy right here. Okay,
I want y'all look at this guy right here. And
I want y'all to see how the video skips. I'm

(35:20):
trying to figure out, what's he in front of a
green screen? What the hell were they doing with this here?
Just watch this video again.

Speaker 20 (35:29):
Visiting this facility, and first of all, I want to
thank El Salvador and their president for their partnership with
the United States of America to bring our terrorists here
and to incarcerate them and have consequences for the violence
that they have perpetuated in our communities. I also want
everybody to know if you come to our country illegally,
this is one of the consequences you could face. First
of all, do not come to our country illegally. You

(35:51):
will be removed and you will be prosecuted. But know
that this facility is one of the tools in our
toolkit that we will use if you commit crimes against
the American people.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
It's it's like the video skip as if it was recorded.

Speaker 21 (36:04):
But the bottom line, yeah, if you actually look at it, y'all,
I'm trying to figure out, like what nobody does the
same movement, and you can literally see in the background
the guy skips like it literally skips while she's talking.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
So that's just me. Recie Cover joins us reach to
go with you. First of all, let's talk about this
hack right here. She is been playing a costume ball
since she got named. I mean every time Trump, every
time she goes somewhere. I swear she literally got the
job and said, hey, I want you all to see

(36:39):
me all of the Department of Homeland Security outfits so
I can go out there and just front She been
out there riding horses, shooting guns, showing up in in
a bulletproof jack. First of all, you know, damn well,
her silly ass not out there on the front lines,

(37:02):
uh at all with the outfits. Y'all go to my
iPad here, here's some of them, look at us. Here.
She got the hat, she got the cowboy hat, then
she got the firefighter outfit.

Speaker 15 (37:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Let me go over here and see how I can
just click photos so we can see what the hell
pops up. But she she been absolutely playing uh a
dress up. But you know what, reci this ain't nothing new.
This is a link here. This is her playing dress
up when she was the governor of one of them

(37:34):
Dakota states. So, uh, she used to playing dress up
as a public official.

Speaker 16 (37:43):
How many gossumes does this raggedy ass bitch have underneath
her belt. Good lord, I mean, she was doctor nurse,
now she's jail warden. It would be ridiculous. But I
feel like this is all a game to them. They
really think that this is one big action movie, Like

(38:04):
Donald Trump is Terminator.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
She's filling the blank.

Speaker 16 (38:08):
She playing all kind of every white woman villain she
signed up to be in the damn cast itself. She's
like the Avengers of white woman villains. Okay, And for
some reason they seem to think that this actually reflects
well on them, because they're six sadistic people. But she's
a very unseerious person in charge of very serious matters.

(38:33):
And unfortunately, she, along with hag Seth and all these
other dumb motherfuckers, are not equipped to do the job,
certainly not do the job competently or legally. But luckily she's,
luckily for her, I should say, and unluckily for us,
she's in an administration where competent and following the law
and actually being strategic is not part of the job description.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
It's just looking the part.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I mean, here's a whole deal. You see it right here,
and Nola again, what we're dealing with here is and
Recie said, it best, and I need people watching and
listening to understand everything about Donald Trump is a TV show. Okay,
they are deporting fewer people every week then Joe Biden did.

(39:20):
The difference is Joe Biden did not turn the Department
of Homeland Security into forty eight hours or what what's
that cops show? Or what's the other cops shows? Not
just cops? No, no, no, what's his name? The boy
at dan Abrams has a show? Is what? It's like

(39:42):
twenty four hour live. It's like where they go live
with police Department. That's all this is. This is a
television show to them. It's all about high production. And
it's like, oh, they're getting stuff done. They're not.

Speaker 12 (39:57):
Absolutely And I'm reminded of the text in the now
famous Signal Gate.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
You know when.

Speaker 12 (40:06):
Pete Heck set this excitedly using terminology like ops security.
Then he's like, oh, that means operational security. You know,
like Reese said, they're playing dress up. It's like high
school children.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Who are in charge of, you know, running the country.

Speaker 12 (40:25):
And then yes, there's this element of let me entertain you.
But they are breaking very serious things. And you know,
Trump sitting there talking about the Department of Education and
how the Small Business Administration. They're going to get going
right away, and they're there, they're ready to prepare it.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
No, they're not.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
It's a lie. They're not prepared. They don't know how
to operate these systems. They do not know what they
are doing. All they know how to do is to
create chaos and say oops, I broke it, and have
no plan to fix. So while you know, if I
was in another country watching this, I would be cracking up. Honey,

(41:05):
this would be my reality show America The Downfall, Honey,
this would be my This would be my reality TV show.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
But we are here and.

Speaker 12 (41:13):
We're having to live through it, and it's not funny.
Very unseerious people are in charge of very serious things,
and this.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Is a problem that needs to be solved.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
But they are they are unserious people. But what they're
doing greg they are appealing to these people who don't
pay attention, who really don't watch the news. But what
they're doing is they're selling a narrative, They're selling a story.
And the fact of the matter is it's it's playing

(41:45):
right into right into their hands and so and it
has an impact on poll poll numbers, of things along
those lines. Now, I am not suggesting that if Democrats
regain control, that's what they should do. But this is
a perfect example, though, of why you do have to
establish a narrative, tell a story so people actually see

(42:09):
what you're doing.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
Absolutely, and we can't stress this enough. This is why
the Blackstar Network, as it said, you built it for
times such as this. It's not time to try to
reason with these people. It is time to destroy them politically,
to break their political backs. When we saw Justin Jones
a couple of weeks ago going to battling the Tennessee legislature,

(42:32):
the hyper Jerry Mander white nationalist Tennessee legislature, tonight when
you talk to Justin Pearson, who did the same thing,
it's not the time to shrink back or talk about
my colleague. It's time to go on the offensive like
Jasmine Crockett has done. And you know you said this
earlier talking with Roxanne Garza. You know, the cruelty is
the point. The point is chaos. They got a four
point five trillion dollar tax cut, they're lining up. That's

(42:54):
the thing for us to keep our eyes on. If
we're going to keep our eyes on anything but all
the rest of this stuff, and you just said it again.
He didn't staff a cabinet, he cast a cabinet. And
whatever his obsession is with nineteen eighties, I don't know.
Cinemax after Dark d list porn stars like the ones
who looked like Kelly Loffler or a Creela Deville. I'm sorry,

(43:14):
Tulca Gabbert or Christy Nolan. These are aging porn stars
from the eighties. And he's got a fascination with these
white women with this fake ass hair who look a
certain way. But here's the point.

Speaker 10 (43:25):
They caught the car. It's a beautiful thing. They caught
the car.

Speaker 11 (43:29):
The federal government is too big for them to destroy.

Speaker 10 (43:32):
They don't have enough staff.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
Even in part three of Project twenty twenty five, were
here supposed to got all these resumes in and Philly stabbers.

Speaker 10 (43:38):
They can't do it.

Speaker 11 (43:39):
The SBA that the Secretary of Wrestling ran in the
first administration, you can't do it. Like Garza said, you've
got to get Congress to go along with that.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
But guess what, Maga, Mike doesn't have the numbers.

Speaker 11 (43:50):
Today it was announced they had to pose the fonsiics
ass out of the nomination for you in because they
need the vote.

Speaker 10 (43:57):
You know what, we ain't got to put up.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
With this long.

Speaker 10 (44:00):
It's a special election, two of them in Florida they need.

Speaker 11 (44:02):
They pulled her back from New York because if borders Canada,
her district borders Canada, they may have flip that seat
if she had gone to the special election.

Speaker 10 (44:09):
Let's be crystal clear. We got twenty months to deal
with this.

Speaker 11 (44:12):
And if you change the narrative, you come to Black
Star day after day, hour after hour, week after week,
month after month, you organize.

Speaker 10 (44:20):
We understand that.

Speaker 11 (44:21):
On their side, they've got a man whose mind is
melting before our eyes.

Speaker 10 (44:25):
He's signing paper with crayons.

Speaker 11 (44:27):
They going on social media sites and apps and having
group chats in part I think to evade telling him anything.

Speaker 10 (44:34):
Look at ju andor Varsity to unspilled his ass.

Speaker 11 (44:36):
And Nola, I know you're going crazy because all those
countries around the world that used to share intelligence in
the United States, they ain't about to give them shit.

Speaker 10 (44:44):
They like, I'm not showing you shit.

Speaker 11 (44:47):
I found your social Security number and your telephone number
in the dark web.

Speaker 10 (44:51):
You were in Russia tweeting and texting in the group chat.

Speaker 11 (44:54):
Then you talk to this woman who got a little
cruel divine gray streek ont her hair, and she's sitting
up and looking like she got the right and you
ask her where she was and she said, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (45:02):
Ain't you in charge? All the damn spots in the country.
They cook the car, they are going to implode.

Speaker 11 (45:09):
All we got to do now is organize that we
will roll over them like to sleep.

Speaker 10 (45:12):
This is a beautiful moment if we can get our
act together.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
And indeed, indeed, so Greg there mentioned where we're going, Uh,
in terms of what we're doing with this network, let
me explain to y'all how black people get screwed by folks. Uh,
it's time for our where's our money? Segment? Did Noah

(45:37):
speaking that last segment being prosen out.

Speaker 9 (45:45):
Facing an extinction level event?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
We don't fight this fight right now, You're not going
to have black on all right, folks. So I told
y'all in the six and a half years that we
have done, we've launched this show in the network, I
have had numerous meetings, numerous meetings with major corporations and

(46:14):
with ad agencies. And I'm talking about group M I'm
talking about densu. I'm talking about publicists. I'm talking about IPG.
I mean, I can go, I can go on and
on and on and on and on. All of these
different agencies that we've met with, and you know what,

(46:36):
many of them have told me, Yeah, we don't buy news.
We don't buy news. We don't buy news. I've met McDonald's,
we don't buy news. I've met with JP, Morgan, Chase,
Full of New York, all these companies, and it's amazing

(46:57):
how folks say we don't buy news. Well, the Financial
Times dropped this story right here, and I'm gonna show
y'all right now, and if y'all want to understand the
lies being told, it's right here. Blue Chip advertisers flock
to Fox News following Trump return. Viewer numbers have soared

(47:22):
in past year, prompting many companies to return to the
Murdock owned channel. So when you go into this already
going to this story, Fox News has attracted one hundred
and twenty five new blue chip advertisers since the US election,
And what does it say? Companies include Amazon, ge Veranova,

(47:46):
JP Morgan, Chase, Netflix, and Ubs have recently aired advertisements
on Fox News for the first time in the last
two years. Jeff Collins, Fox CORPUS President of ad Sales said,
historically after the election, networks will see ratings dip. When
we saw an acceleration in ratings, we saw new advertisers

(48:08):
coming in. Well, guess what, y'all, we've seen a dramatic
increase in our numbers since the election. Haven't seen any
of these companies advertise. See I've been telling y'all. See,
I need y'all to understand something because see, some of
these simple simon negroes love to sit here and say,

(48:30):
see man, there you go, there you go, you big
and a white man for money. Well, first of all,
any dumb as it says that doesn't understand the media business,
because the media business is driven by advertising. Every media
company Disney Comcasts, Fox, all of them, Sinclaire run the

(48:52):
line Salem, all of them. I heart they all run
on advertising. More nearly four hundred BIZI dollars is spent
every year on advertising. Black on media gets anywhere from
zero point five to one percent of the advertising money. Now,
I've talked about this stuff in the last six years,

(49:15):
and what happens is whenever I bring this up, it's
amazing how it doesn't get much traction. Folks don't click
the light button, they don't hit the button on YouTube,
all that sort of stuff like this. But about post
some bullshit, Oh my goodness, it's amazing how it takes off.
But this right here, this story right here is primarily

(49:37):
why black on media does it grow. In twenty eighteen,
former Fox host Tucker Crosses on their comments about immigrants
making the US poor and dirtier, spur it big brand
such as T Mobile to pull ads from his program.
T Mobile ain't never advertised on here, even though I
sit there as four hundred and eighty dollars this month
for the goddamn cell phone bill. So I spend money

(49:58):
on T Mobile, then they spend here. I'm trying to
lay out to y'all, is this story right here. Not
a single one of these brands, not a single one
of these companies can, not a single one of their
agencies can then tell me, oh no, oh no, we
don't buy news. We don't buy news. Well, if y'all

(50:21):
don't do opinion, why y'all buying Fox News? And I
don't want to hear this nonsense? Well, Fox News has
news shows. No they don't. Fox and Friends ain't a
news show. Bill Hemmer and Dana Perino ain't a news show.
The Five is not a news show. Fox News twenty
four hours, seven days a week is a propaganda network.

(50:42):
But these companies will spend millions of dollars with them. Greg,
I know you got to go at the top, but
I want to go ahead and go to you first.
This is precisely what I have been saying. This is
how right wing media and mainstream white media is funded.
The reality is this here. You take MSNBC, CNN, and

(51:03):
Fox News. Those three networks combined do in excess of
two and a half to three billion dollars not in revenue,
in profit, in profit. And this is why we can
have more shows, bigger shows, more hosts, do marketing have

(51:24):
more writers because they will tell us and I have
been in the meetings and I'm gonna say it again,
public publicists, how much have we've gotten? Zero? Group M
even when they had a black CEO, got zero, Horizon zero,

(51:45):
OMD zero, den Sue zero. And by the way, the
General Motors money we got was not because of Densue.
That was because I negotiate directly with General Motors but
this is an example of how they lie to us.
We don't buy news, but they will pour money into
a Fox.

Speaker 11 (52:05):
News absolutely because they know they're soft white nationalists and
they are protecting whiteness, and they know whiteness is always
going to be there for them. But I have to
say this to you, Roland, and I'm glad they say
had to move and step out for a second. In
a second, but I want to say this here for
everybody can hear you. Know, Like I said, I was
in Atlanta this weekend. I was over at more House
and now I did something for the High University of Alumni,

(52:26):
raising money for students because the tuition is too damn
high everywhere, including this campus. I took the Martyr, I
took the train. I like to ride public transit get.

Speaker 10 (52:35):
Around to know.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
She will probably save.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
Or six different people who were like, tell Rowland, keep
doing what you're doing. Keep fighting, brother, keep fighting. The
same thing when I was in Montgomery week before last
with Fred Gray at the Fred Gray Symposium, the same
thing I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (52:50):
All have to say this. When Carnegie Woodson couldn't.

Speaker 11 (52:53):
Get the grants from the White foundations, he got a
little bit of money here, a little bit of money there.

Speaker 10 (52:57):
And finally he said, you know what what am I doing?
I don't fund this kind of thing.

Speaker 11 (53:01):
Those those institutions that you have gone to time and
again and will continue to fight, they fund whiteness. Watson said,
They're not gonna fund me, and I don't want them
to fund me. His independence. The Association with the Study
of Afoamerica Life History was based on nichols and dimes
for school children, from black educators, from black churches, from

(53:21):
black folk who gave money, and that institution continues to
this day. There is no Black History Month without a Sola,
and there's no Masala without the black community. I'm saying
this all that to say this Roman, as you continue
to waste this morning, I saw something you put on
social media. I just saw it where you said, oh,
y'all want to stop out of DEI, Michigan if those
black players stop playing, I bet you run back.

Speaker 10 (53:41):
Watch this. Y'all.

Speaker 11 (53:43):
We are at a moment when everybody's true colors are
being revealed. And as this thing continues to catch momentum,
all those years you have spent since you built the
Black Star Network on the road with the role on
mobile helping organize, having forums, all the places you show
up live streaming, everything from the cellar lebration, bold to
tear halls and forms, all that stuff begins to pay

(54:04):
off as people look for a place to come. We
saw what happened joy Reach, we saw what happened to
Tiffany Cross and everybody else on these other spaces. But
guess what, this ain't that. And as the thing continues
to capsize and remake itself, it will be the independent
black institutions that are going to thrive. And this is
going to be the place where those narratives are collected
and broadcasts. So I don't think we have to worry.

(54:25):
We just got to stay on that keep.

Speaker 10 (54:27):
On that path.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Indeed, so Greg, I know you got to go. I
appreciate it. Thank you so very much, you man. I'm
going to go to you. No, I'm to go back
to my iPad Henry. It says consumer Goods First of
It says from twenty eighteen to through twenty twenty, some
advertisers had a quote no air list of Fox News
programs they wanted to avoid. According to a person close
to the company, these tended to be opinion shows such

(54:51):
as Tucker Cars is nightly programmed. The person added consumer
goods company Procter and Gamble, one of the largest advertisers
in the United States, stop running ads during Carlson's Nightly showed,
but return to that slot in twenty twenty three after
he was ousted from Fox. P and G said its
ads appear on a wide range of media that deliver

(55:11):
a breadth of content. We constantly monitor advertising placement to
ensure the media companies from which we buy ads meet
these standards and address any potential issues directly with the
appropriate parties. Now, a couple of years ago, we actually
had a partnership with Procter and Gamble. We advertised from

(55:31):
practically broadcast from the Cincinnati Music Festival, cover the event
down there. Haven't done anything since, even though we deliver
other numbers. And I remember the CMO, the CMO of
Procter and Gamble at a conference of Black radio executives,

(55:52):
actually said that what we did was a great way
of delivering value. Mark Pritchard, here's the problem. They ain't
spent a dollar with us since. Now. We've had meetings.
But I keep telling these companies and these agencies, I
can't deposit meetings, and at those meetings, I'm the only

(56:13):
one in that meeting not getting paid. They getting paid
to be in the meeting, not me.

Speaker 12 (56:19):
Listen, people will they will pick your brain to death.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Honey, and not pay you a dime.

Speaker 12 (56:26):
But I'm glad we're having this conversation, especially as new
media seems to be all the buzz and everybody's using
that terminology. You know, you definitely, you know, I loved
everything that Greg said, and I am going to invoke
his prophetic voice, you know, and speaking life into uh.
You know, this is where this is this, this is

(56:48):
where people will come, This is where people will come
to get their information, their news, This is where people
will come to be in community.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
And so I'm going to speak that life into that.

Speaker 12 (57:00):
But you know, this is a really important point as
people are trying to think about. You know, I'm part
of a group called Persist, and still in the messaging world.
I can tell you from Persistent all over the place
in a national security community, so many conversations are being
had about, Okay, how do we do this new media thing.

(57:22):
Everybody's trying to figure out where we're going to get
money from, how do we do it? How do we
match what the Republicans did for the last presidential cycle.
How do we find money for content creators? How do
we find money for influencers? How do we reshape this
news ecosystem? And here you said, Roland, you've been ahead
of the game in that regard. But this is to

(57:43):
Grigg's point, this is a pivot. This is a time
of change, and everyone is recognizing that the media landscape
is changing and they are going to feel it.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
This is my this is my prediction.

Speaker 12 (57:55):
My prophetic boys the same way targets sitting up there
looking crazy, and this is the only thing that's gonna
get through to them. They gonna continue, all right, y'all,
keep playing, y'all, keep giving y'all money to these divisive,
racist people. And guess what, when your little product's not selling,
you gonna wonder why you gonna fa fo your way
out of that job on the board. Like I'm just

(58:17):
here to tell I'm I'm just here to wark companies
black people. We are using our resources very differently, and
if you don't support us, we will not support you.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
See here's the thing, reci I believe in just calling
a thing a thing. Okay, And so here's an article
right here, it says twenty twenty four top agencies in
the world by revenue, and then it says the top
fifteen agencies in the world. And you see right here, WPP, Eccentric,

(58:47):
song Pooblicis, Omniicom, Deloitte, Digital, Inner Public, Group of Companies, DNSUE,
Blue Focus, Communications Group, IBM IX, Hakuhodo, Shell, Vivindi's Habas, TCS, Interactives,
Staged Well, Interocean Worldwide, and see underneath that, See they
own a whole bunch of other agencies. Okay, So people

(59:08):
need to understand is that in the agency game, what
they do is they actually they own a lot of stuff.
They buy a lot of stuff, and so what happens
is they actually own all the different agencies. And so
it's called the Big five, the Big five holding companies.
Go back to my iPad, WPP, Omniicom, Publicist, Interpublic, and DENSU.

(59:33):
So you take a Group M, they're under one of
those particular companies. Okay, Now again I need everybody who's
watching and listening to understand what I am telling you.
I have personally met with Group M when Kirk McDonald
was the CEO, A brother we met with them. Okay,

(59:53):
I met with the whole team. If I could start
naming names, I start naming names. Met with Den Sue,
I've met with the chief investment officers of OEMD. I've
met with folks at Publicists. I've met with the folks

(01:00:15):
at Inner Public Group. What has been the result? Now,
mind you, what do we have? We have the largest
black news and information network digital network in the country.
Nobody else is doing what we're doing. Byron Allice has
shut Byron Allen has shut down his Grill TV linear network,

(01:00:36):
shut it down, then laid everybody off. Okay, they ain't
doing it. Essence has an Essence Music Festival as a
three day event. They ain't doing We're doing every single day.
It's no shade. It's a fact. Everybody is not doing
we do every day. Blavity is not doing with what
we do every single day. Reci I literally was on

(01:00:59):
a phone call today three different people talking about the
creation of a black business vertical to cover black news,
because the fact of the matter is Black Enterprise is
really a conference company that don't cover black news the
way they used to. I literally was with another company
talking about the creation of a black health show of
Black Fitness Show. These are non news items. I was

(01:01:21):
talking with civil writers about being able right now. I've
already agreed to a black owned company, Quantity to completely
redo Blackstar Network dot Com and that will be turned
into a news portal. But none of these things can
happen if you can't grow revenue to be able to
hire more people. I have a plan as we speak

(01:01:42):
right now, and at five million additional dollars comes into
our company every single year, I can literally hire twenty
five to thirty new people to expand what do we do?
But what I hear from every single one of these
companies reci dating back to two thousand and two. See
I knew we launched September four, twenty eighteen. I knew

(01:02:04):
that was the end of the year. I knew all
of nineteen I would not have had the data to
back up while they should spend with us when twenty
twenty hit had all the data. And here's the reality
all of these agencies, zero dollars have been spent and
out of the brands that have done stuff with US,

(01:02:26):
Proction Gamble, once McDonald's, once General Motors, current deal, this
is now the multiple deals. The only PEPSI met with
all a folks, nothing happened. The only company that has

(01:02:47):
consistently partnered with us since twenty twenty has been Coca Cola.
But every single one of these agencies, they have shut
the door and given us nothing but lip service. And
it's right. Here is why black on media will never
be able to grow because these agencies that are largely

(01:03:07):
white executives will gladly send that money to Fox News
and Fox Corporation and don't care if they are right
wing Maga Trump Love and conservatives, but will look at
us and say, oh no, no, no, we can't, we can't,
we can't buy news. We can't buy news.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Send it to Aaron Love and hip Hoppen the other stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:03:32):
Now you aren't no roll and I'll watch that junk,
that crap. But you know, black mess is safe enough
for them to spend money with. So why isn't black
news safe enough to be to spend money with?

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Because that is not aligned with their goals.

Speaker 16 (01:03:49):
Actually, their goals is not to help cultivate and informed
and empowered and politically engaged black audience because they're benefactors
in the federal and state and local government.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Are not the people that our people.

Speaker 16 (01:04:08):
Support, and so they'll play the game and they'll pretend
and they'll have all these pretexts for why they can't
support this, but the rules don't apply to the white side.
But this is a prime example of why it irks
my soul when you hear Democrats like Gavin Newsome talk
about how what we need to sit down and we

(01:04:30):
need to have a conversation with a Steve Vann and
or Charlie Kirk because they figured out something that we
haven't figured out. What they have figured out. The only
thing that these white boys have figured out is how
to get I won't even say figure out. But what
they have working for them is that they are heavily funded.
When you have one hundred million dollars behind you, hell yeah,

(01:04:52):
lot people are going to listen. It's not that they
are organically bigger. It's not that they have better ideas,
that they're more articulate, that they're more compelling, that they're
more convincing.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
Is that they have the money behind them, point blank
and the period.

Speaker 16 (01:05:06):
That is the only difference between why the Republicans have
an information ecosystem a disinformation ecosystem, why they have the
massive numbers on their side is because they pay for it,
and democrats and people of conscience still want to rely
on the goodness of all of our hearts to do

(01:05:27):
this work, to not compensate people, to give people talking points,
but again not give them the resources to actually get
their message across. It's that everybody thinks that we're just
supposed to be bleeding hearts for this when this is
a business, and it only seems to be a problem
to be a business when black people are involved. But

(01:05:47):
it's not a problem to be in business when you're
talking about white people in racist ideologies. Then all of
a sudden, that ain't a problem and a pole for
them to get paid and a pole for them to
get money. And that's the disconnect that we have to
figure out. If the ad revenue isn't going to come
in there, Dean, hell, I don't think that oan and
turning point you would say, and all that shit. They

(01:06:08):
wasn't getting the ad money, but they still got funded.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (01:06:11):
But who's gonna fund us? That's the question without trying
to handcuff us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So let me explain to the audience what's about to happen.
First of all, there are six major advertising holding companies
don't go to that yet. No, there are six holding
companies wpp Omnikom, Publicist Group, inter Public Group, DENSU and Havas.
Those are the six. I'm letting all of y'all know.

(01:06:37):
We have sat down Black Start Network me personally, as
well as our partners with Urban Engine Network, all six
of them. What have we received? Zero? That's crazy zero, zero, y'all.
I don't think y'all understand what I'm saying. I didn't
say from the agencies we received one hundred thousand, fifty thousand,

(01:07:06):
twenty five thousand, we've received zero. It's actually cost me
more money because I've flown to New York and I've
had to pay people to put together presentations for them.
Then they've actually spent. Now I'm going to my iPad.
Now there are individual agencies under these six. You got

(01:07:27):
Ogilvie zero from them, McCann World Group zero from them,
Leo Burnett zero from them, Satchie and Satchee zero, Weedon
and Kennedy zero, bb do O zero, TVWA zero, DROGA
five zero, Gray Group zero, bm L Y and R.

(01:07:49):
They've called me a couple of times to help them
Land a client, and guess what, not a single dollar
from that client came Donor zero, FCB, Glow, mob zero,
marketing architects, the ad agency, Play Creative, DDB zero, McKinney zero,
all of these folks. So I just need y'all to

(01:08:11):
understand the money game. I need y'all to understand why
Ebony went through all of his drama when John N. H.
Johnson died because Eboney was getting twenty thousand dollars for
a full page ad. When Esquire, a smaller magazine, was
getting two hundred thousand dollars for a full page ad.

(01:08:32):
All y'all out there, I heard all y'all negroes y'all Manumber,
Bob Johnson, Sheila Johnson, they sold out. See y'all understand
the game because guess what. In Brett Pulley's book on
the Billion Dollar Bet, the unauthorized biography of Bob Johnson
and Beet when they were being sold to Viacom, Meil
karmers In the CEO as well as some of the Redstones,

(01:08:54):
discovered that Bet was getting paid fifteen hundred dollars for
the same thirty second spot MTV was getting paid eight
thousand dollars. For BT was sold for two point four
billion dollars and four hundred million dollars in debt. The
total sale price was two point eight billion dollars. Well,
guess what if Bob and Sheila Johnson then married, if

(01:09:18):
they were getting if they were not being impacted by
the black tax, if they were getting fair market value
for their ads. That means that if they were getting
the eight thousand instead of fifteen hundred, Bob and Sheila
Johnson could have actually sold one third of BEET for
the same two point eight billion dollars and still today

(01:09:40):
be the majority owners of Beet. This is what happens
when even when we do get the ads as a
black tax involved. So to the audience, this is what
is going to happen over the next week. And I've
already made it clear to my team. We're going to
record Fox News twenty four hours a day, and we're

(01:10:03):
then we're gonna record every program on Fox, and we're
gonna write down every single blue chip advertiser that runs
ads on Fox. I ain't talking about them one eight
hundred commercials because that ain't what I'm talking about. And
what we're then going to do is We're going to
contact every single one of those blue chip advertisers and

(01:10:23):
we're going to ask them and their agencies, we have
a question. We notice that you buy Fox News, what
black owned news brands do you also buy? And I'm
gonna be waiting for them to say, we don't buy
any news, and then what I'm going to do. I'm
going to come on this show and go on social

(01:10:45):
media and tell all of you what every single one
of those brands and what every single one of those
agencies said. Because if you are a brand JP, Morgan Chase,
you be a Amazon and others, if you are putting
your money on Fox News, then you should have no

(01:11:07):
problem putting your money on black news and information, black
owned news and information. So to all the agencies and
all the brands, do understand I have hereby serve notice
we are watching and we are going to tell our
audience exactly who you support with your ad dollars and

(01:11:28):
ask the question, are black people not good enough for
your ad dollars as well? I'll be right.

Speaker 11 (01:11:37):
Back next on the Black Tape with me Greg corn succession.
We're hearing that word pop up a lot these days
as our country continues to fracture and divide. But did
you know that that idea essentially of breaking up of
the USA has been part of the public debate since

(01:11:59):
long before and long after the Civil War, right up
to today. On our next show, you'll meet Richard Craig,
the author of this book, who says breaking up this
great experiment called America might not be such a bad thing.
That's on the next Black Table right here on the
Black Star Network.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Hey, yo, what's up is mister Dalvin right here? What's up?
Missus k C Senior Representatives a Odec East, Jodasy right
here and Roland Martin. Unfiltered folks. Big election in Wisconsin
on Tuesday, a state Supreme Court race that could determine

(01:12:41):
who controls the court now. Elon Musk and his packs
have dumped millions into this race to support MAGA conservative
judge Brad Shimmel, who is a former Attorney general there
in Wisconsin. Some eighty one million dollars has been spent
on this campaign because they want to beat liberal judge
Susan Crawford. Her campaign believes the billionaire of support for

(01:13:05):
Shimble is an attempt to buy support from the Supreme
Court hopeful as Musk lawsuit is potentially hit it for
the High Court. A lot of folks have been activated there,
including Soul to the polls, and we're joined by right
now by Reverend Greg Lewis, executive director of Souls at
the Polls. It's joining us from Milwaukee. Greg, glad to
have you here. And so what have y'all been doing

(01:13:27):
trying to get black folks to maximize their power and
not ignore this crucial race. It's not the only race
on the ballot, but this is determined who controls the
state highest court.

Speaker 22 (01:13:40):
You know, mister Martin, I'm so glad to be here
with you because you know, we've been doing everything we
can because this thing has gotten so far out of
control and it's frustrating so many people. We got to
do all we can. I mean, we got buses to
the polls, brunches with faith leaders and community leaders, yard

(01:14:01):
size billboards, caps, hoodies, t shirts, pins, bracelets, posters everywhere,
yard signs, canvassing, radio, social media. We're just doing everything
we can because there's so much at state, Medicare, Medicaid,
social security, veterans issues, infant mortality here in Milwaukee, just

(01:14:27):
about everything. And then for the poor working folks of
our state. We got Workers' Rights Act in collective bargaining
for workers, housing, healthcare, education, job training, and.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
All these things are on the line. But I just
don't keep I don't.

Speaker 22 (01:14:43):
Believe people are paying attention, and so we just have
to keep it moving, keep just telling people how important
this is for them to go to the polls. And
we really push absentee ballots, early voting. And now we're
getting towards the end, and we got to push people
to the polls on April first. And you know the

(01:15:06):
thing about April in Wisconsin is that, man, we gotta
have a snowstorm. So I really we really pushed people
to vote early. But we're doing everything we can just
to make sure that people know there's an election. Because
I talked to a lot of people and I say, man,
so now make sure you go vote on April first.
Well you know what they're voting for. I'm like, what,
you know, we have big We we have become so

(01:15:31):
disenchanted with everything that we don't pay attention to anything
that we existed souls to the polls to make sure
that you know there's a vote on April first.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
And here's why this is so important now, Henry, go
to my iPad. New York Times did a story called
what eleven Black voters think about Trump's action in his
first first month. Many Black Americans were frustrated by the
Trump administration is targeting of DEI programs, but others. But
the others embraced the speed at which he moved. I
want to scroll down to somebody, and this is not

(01:16:03):
about embarrassing somebody. But at the end of the day,
she did an interview with the New York Times, and
so therefore the information is public and Greg, this bothered
the hell out of me, brother, when I saw this.
Kyosho Wilder thirty nine years old, a public school classroom
aid in Milwaukee. This is what it said. Miss Wilder,

(01:16:24):
a Democrat, said that she didn't vote. You know, this
is November. She didn't vote because she believed that mister
Trump was going to win. Now she is preparing for
what she believes he would do in office in food assistance,
social security, and housing assistance, among other programs for the poor.

(01:16:46):
I already know that everything is about to end, so
I've just been trying to get myself together and look
for better paying jobs. Miss Wilder said, racism was here
before I was born, She said, the battle I choose
his employment. Can we get more paid? I work in
the public schools that I make seventeen dollarsand hours. That
is not enough. Okay, Greg, here's my problem. If you

(01:17:10):
don't vote, he guaranteed to win. Like I ain't vote
because I thought he was gonna win.

Speaker 22 (01:17:22):
So, you know, I remember when I was a youngster,
I heard this saying by Martin Luther King Judior. He said,
the most dangerous thing in the world. It's conscientious stupidity.
Sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. And that's where we are
right now. People are just really they're tuned out. They're

(01:17:43):
not thinking, they're not focusing. You know, I guess people
thinking about where they're gonna get their next meal or
where I'm gonna live. But I think you ought to
try to navigate your life through expressing yourself and others
through power, and that's why we exist with souls to
the I'm like, Okay, all those things are, you know, true,
and we know that we have these racism issues and

(01:18:06):
bigotry and eight and all those things. But what you're
gonna do just stand there and just let the ambal
fall on your head. You got to at least move,
You gotta at least run. You know, even in martial
arts they say, you know, the first thing you do
when people attack you, You know, your first line of
defense is to run. We don't even do that anymore,

(01:18:29):
mister Martin. We just stand there and just let things
happen to us. And that's why I'm so frustrated. You know,
I always say, man, why do you keep letting things
happen to you when we can make things happen for us.
Here in Milwaukee, we like forty two percent of the population.
A lot of people don't even know that we have black.

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
Folks here in Milwaukee.

Speaker 22 (01:18:46):
The Hispanic community is like eighteen percent. That's sixty percent,
and then all the other nationalities that are here besides
white folks.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
Man, we have the power to do what we need
to do.

Speaker 22 (01:18:58):
But we like Ferguson, you know, we like Furnason, Missouri,
we just let things happen to us when we have
the power to stop it. Because all the things we
fought for in the past we don't take advantage of.
We fought from voting rights, we fought for education, we
fought for jobs. We fought to be part of unions,
and now we don't even go as far as we

(01:19:21):
need to go to be assured that those items that
we fought for are positive in our lives. We just
don't do that, and that is so mind boggling me.
See you, so I'm with you. You know, I missed
you when you were here in town because I was
at Pastor Valerie's church.

Speaker 7 (01:19:42):
But I saw you later. You were great. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I appreciate it. And so you know, I keep making
the point that I really want black people to understand
that the most guaranteed way for somebody to win is
if we don't show up and if we vote, and
the number I keep saying is voting at seventy percent
of our capacity. Got questions for two of my panieists.
I'm gonna go to Recy first, then Nola Recy. What's
your question?

Speaker 16 (01:20:06):
So much for the work that you're doing, are there
any particular voting precincts that you feel have the biggest
impact if you were to, like Roland said, increase the turnout.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Of those who are actually registered.

Speaker 16 (01:20:22):
And then, if so, how are you all targeting those
precincts and those voters?

Speaker 22 (01:20:28):
You know, and so for the polls, you know, we
really target our churches. So I have about four hundred
and six pastors on the roll, and every time it's
time to vote, I communicate.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
With those pastors and hopefully we can get.

Speaker 22 (01:20:43):
Them to communicate to the communities that their churches exist.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
Then, and that's just.

Speaker 22 (01:20:47):
About all the black community, especially five three two o six,
which has the highest crime rate, it has the highest
incarceration rate, is like last in the country, and people
going to jail.

Speaker 7 (01:21:02):
I mean all these things. I don't know if you
know this, but Milwaukee is like almost last.

Speaker 22 (01:21:07):
And every positive item that Americans appreciate in this country,
I don't know if you knew that or not. I
mean housing, jobs, all those things, homeownership, all those things.
We're like dead last. And people are not believing that

(01:21:27):
they're not free.

Speaker 7 (01:21:29):
It reminds me what Harriet Tubman said.

Speaker 22 (01:21:33):
I could have freed a lot more people, but I
just can't convince them that they're not free.

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
I'm like, man, do you know we're getting done here?

Speaker 22 (01:21:41):
And it's so sophisticated and subliminal that they don't even
know that they being man, you're being bamboozo. You know,
I have to tell people every day. I say, look, you're.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
Not even the minority anymore.

Speaker 22 (01:21:54):
I mean, even in the world with not the minority,
eight percent of the world is white ninety two percent people.
And I'm just like, you know, we've been bamboozled so
bad that we believe the story that we've been told.

Speaker 7 (01:22:07):
That's all to it, and that's what's got to change.

Speaker 12 (01:22:10):
Nola, Reverend Lewis, There's so much that I want to say,
but Roland is gonna get me the side.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Ey.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
But I feel your.

Speaker 12 (01:22:19):
Passion and I feel, you know, your frustration, and so
my question is about that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
It's more of a messaging question.

Speaker 12 (01:22:29):
How are young folks, especially in Milwaukee, being talked to,
Because one of the things that I've noticed is that
there's a large disconnect between what came before them in
terms of civil rights, in terms you know, all of
these things. There are a couple of generations where there's
a disconnect to the point where.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
How are you drawing these connections, Like, what's the messaging
look like, especially when you're trying to talk to young
folks who have horrible education, do not see any job,
any jobs in their future.

Speaker 22 (01:23:04):
You know, that's a great question, because that man, we go,
we're deep into colleges right now, and.

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
Then these influencers. We're deep into influencers, and we were.

Speaker 22 (01:23:16):
Deep into having concerts for young people to let them
know that we care, we want you to be with us,
and so on and so forth. But I'm gonna tell
you the other team is playing hardball.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:23:27):
I try to tell you know, the Democratic Party. I said, listen, man,
you got to be a little bit rougher, man, you
got to be a little bit stronger. You got to
fight a little bit harder, because these guys they're not
playing you know. I just heard the other day that
Eli Musk's paying people one hundred dollars to come and
sign some kind of petition and then they try to

(01:23:49):
talk them into going and vote. I'm saying, and we
can't even get people water when they.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
Come and line up to the polls.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
I'm like, what is wrong?

Speaker 22 (01:23:56):
What's wrong with this picture? Why don't we fight harder?
And that's why I say, you know, it's going to
take us to fight hard because nobody else is going
to fight hard for you like you fight for yourself.
And I keep trying to tell people, I say, hey, man,
stop waiting on the cavalry. The cavalry is not coming.
You are the cavalry. You need to be making decisions

(01:24:18):
about your community. And we certainly need to be into
these local politics because we could certainly control that with ease.
But we are so bent on believing that we have
no power, and that's why we exist. We just keep
telling people you do have power, and we proved it
over and over again.

Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
How you think we got the other Supreme Court judges?

Speaker 22 (01:24:40):
How do you think that we got the governor who's
who they said it couldn't be beat.

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
How do you think that happened?

Speaker 22 (01:24:47):
That was because we expressed ourselves in times when we
were really needed. And that is so important because I'm
gonna tell you something and listen to this. You know,
we always have to do with our enemies, but we
have to deal with our friends also. When Midela Burnes
ran for Senator, thirty thousand Democrats voted for Senator Johnson,

(01:25:11):
about thirty thousand, because thirty thousand Democrats voted.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
For actually actually actually even worse, that was a fifty
thousand voter drop off in. That was a fifty that look,
I know it well. It was a fifty thousand voter
drop off in Milwaukee alone from the previous election, and
he lost by thirty thousand votes. The point that you
made about Elon Musk, about iPad Henry, Elon Musk is

(01:25:36):
given one million dollars to a person in Green Bay
who signed a petition opposing activist judges. He's paying people
one hundred dollars to sign this petition. So here's the
whole deal. And this I need every black person in
Milwaukee and Wisconsin who hears my voice to understand. Elon
Musk maybe doling out one hundred dollars and a million dollars,

(01:25:58):
but guess what, He's not a resident of Wisconsin. He
does not have a vote. And so if black people
it maximize our vote in Milwaukee and Wisconsin, guess what
that Republican can lose. And we know what that means.
And the facts are already there. Democrats, when that woman
won last year by eleven points. When they got on

(01:26:21):
the court, they changed partisan jerry manderin, they dealt with
ballock drop boxes, they restored powers to the governor that
people voted for. And so I need black people to
understand and see some of y'all simple, Simons, this ain't
about shilling for Democrats. It's saying who stands with folk
who are going to advance an agenda that black folks support. Earlier, Greg,

(01:26:45):
you may have missed the top of the show that
the Trump MG of Folks stopped a racial discrimination lawsuit
in Texas, that where Texas was discriminating against black folks
and others. When it came to federal fund, MAGA comes
in and they pull it and the case is gonna
be over. And so this is about advocating for black

(01:27:07):
interest and you gotta say, one of these folks are
gonna win. So this is real simple, y'all. Put the
photos up of the candidates, everybody black in Wisconsin and Milwaukee.
Then you hear my voice that guy on the right,
Brad Shimmel, that's who Elon Musk has put seventeen million behind.

(01:27:28):
He is not supporting the woman on the left. I
can say it, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, you vote for Susan Crawford
over Brad shimmele Greg, as simple as that, y'all put
the good work. We're gonna keep pushing this thing. We're
gonna have another group on the show on Monday, because
that election on Tuesday is too damn important, and so
y'all solds in the polls there told the polls in Milwaukee,

(01:27:50):
this is how you can access their social media on Twitter,
I don't call it x, Instagram, TikTok, their website Facebook
as well. Greg. We appreciate it. Thanks you a lot,
thank the good work.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
Thank you, DoD folk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Y'all want to understand how you confront power. This is
what happened yesterday in Tennessee. You had a white Republican
who had the audacity, the unmitigated gall to insult Tennessee
State Representative Justin Pearson. Pearson was up talking about a
particular bill, and you have this Republican who dared then
to challenge him by saying, well, we've been here, where

(01:28:26):
have y'all been rolling video? Please? You been here, We've
been here working, where have you been?

Speaker 7 (01:28:31):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
That set represented Pierson off because he had been dealing
with the tragic death of his brother, and at the
end of the meeting, Pierson wanted to get in homeboy's face.
Represented Pearson. Jones us right now, roland Mark unfiltered, and
you had folks who were grabbing you represented Pearson holding
you back when you got in that Republican's face, and

(01:28:53):
he sat there stoically with a smart ass grin on
his face, but he knew exactly what he was doing.
He knew why you had not been there. And so
that was about insulting, frankly, your integrity, your credibility, in
your honor as you were taking care of your family
in the wake of your brother's tragic death.

Speaker 23 (01:29:12):
Absolutely, the vitriol that's coming from Republicans in the state
of Tennessee like Andrew Farmer and across this country is
doing nothing but seeking to destroy, denigrate, and divide people.
And it was very hurtful and harmful what he was saying,
because the truth is, my fiance was watching that video,
my mama was watching, and my daddy was watching, my
other brothers were watching it. Our entire community was watching

(01:29:34):
him really try and be not try, but be vitriolic
toward me after the tragic loss that we have suffered.
That has been the most painful, most difficult time of
our entire lives. And so yes, I went to approach
him and to let him know that that's unacceptable and
we cannot allow what's happening with Trump and Musk and
their attitudes and the way that they're treating people and

(01:29:57):
exiling and trying to silence voices and bully people become
the norm. I refuse to allow it to happen, and
that attack to happen on my brother, god ristless soul,
Tim Pearson, but also to my family, to my community
that I love, appreciate, and serve, and we all have
a responsibility of standing up and speaking of when we
see people doing things that are hurtful and that are harmful,
particularly when we're talking about sensitive issues such as homicide,

(01:30:19):
such as suicide, and the legislation that I was bringing
forward was intended to repeal permitless carry, which we have
in our state. And since we've passed that law, we've
seen an increase in homicides, We've seen an increase in suicides.

Speaker 9 (01:30:30):
We've seen an increase of the very problem.

Speaker 23 (01:30:32):
That we are now dealing with and grappling with as
a family that has chattered so many families across our
state and across our country. But instead of talking about
the legislation and the work that we needed to do,
he wants to have a personal ad hominem attack against me.

Speaker 9 (01:30:43):
And it's a personal thing that he has.

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
I don't know what.

Speaker 23 (01:30:46):
He's the same guy who had the resolution to expel
me two years ago, and I didn't even know what
he looked like at that time or where he represented,
and so he's got something personal. But the reality is
we've got a real problem that we've got to solve
that is hurting black families and hurting families across this
country every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Uh. This is a freeze frame of that arrogant individual, UH,
sitting there with a smug look on his face. And
at least the chair of the committee had the decency UH.
And guys wraped that up. The chair of the committee
had the decency after this guy attacked you, UH, to
to talk respectfully and as related as what you dealt

(01:31:27):
with UH. And I don't know if this I don't
know if the person who spoke is Democrat or Republican.

Speaker 9 (01:31:31):
Y'all Republican.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
This is what we're so just play what he said.
This is how you handle that. Go ahead, play, guys.

Speaker 24 (01:31:41):
Previous question has been called on the bill. We have objection. Okay,
we are now voting on previous question. All those in
favorite previous questions say HI, do oppose?

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
And when after the after this, after this idiot Andrew
Farmer continue his attack on you and guy's go MyPad.
This is Chairman Clay Doggett.

Speaker 24 (01:32:08):
Representatives. Mister representatives, we are I know this is very
difficult time for you to be back up here. I'm
sorry for all the things that you've experienced. You've been
a great uncle, You've done the things that you were
supposed to do to help your family. I understand that
if I was in the same situation you were in,
I would be doing the same thing. I understand that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
Okay.

Speaker 24 (01:32:30):
I know tensions are high up here today, but ladies
and gentlemen, we're yes, we're gonna we're gonna do our
best to be as civil as we can up here, okay,
and I and I appreciate. I appreciate that very much.
So with that being said, I'm going to go to
lud Lamber.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Represented Piers and I'm curious, did any republic Republicans come
up to you afterwards, uh and say what he did
was uncalled for.

Speaker 9 (01:32:59):
I mean, a couple of them were appalled by his actions.

Speaker 23 (01:33:03):
And I don't know if he knows that, but several
Republicans also have dealt with the loss of loved ones
in their own family by suicide, and so many have
texted me and came to me and apologized. And the
reality is, when we're dealing with something like gun violence,
when we're talking about issues that you talk about on
the show all the time, economic justice, social justice, racial

(01:33:23):
justice is not just a black person's issue. Were talking
about something that's good for everybody and our shared humanity.
At some point it should supersede our desire for political
talking points and political posturing. But for Andrew Farmer that
wasn't the case. He wanted to use the pain that
my family and I are experiencing and exploit that for
his own personal political gain, for his personal vendetta that

(01:33:45):
he has. And so as you saw with Clay Doggett there,
who is a Republican and who is a chair he
said he would have done the exact same thing because
in my family, family comes first and my community family
comes first, and there's nothing that I'm going to do
to put my family or my nephews who I love and.

Speaker 9 (01:34:00):
I care about second of my parents.

Speaker 23 (01:34:02):
Like we have a responsibility to care for our loved ones,
particularly the times of grief, and the truth is people
deserve more time to grieve. I even brought up legislation
to make sure that everybody who works in government at
least has two months of beream in time, because when
you have such a tragic lass that it's literally altering
the course of your family's life and your own life,
you need more time to not only process that change,

(01:34:24):
but make sure that the necessary systems are in place
to help your family to operate and to be able
to do the things that they need to do to continue.

Speaker 9 (01:34:30):
To move forward.

Speaker 23 (01:34:32):
Andrew Farmer has a problem, but it is not a
problem that is just in and of himself.

Speaker 9 (01:34:37):
Again, this comes from this Trump.

Speaker 23 (01:34:38):
Musk ideology that the more you beerate people, the more
evil you are, the meaning you are. Somehow that is
a good thing, and we have to change that with
a new, true revolution of values that prioritize the people
who are suffering, prioritize the people who are grieving, prioritize
the people who are hurting, and make legislation and policy
to address those needs to address that pain, not to

(01:34:58):
detegrate into grade folk.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
I ain't know what I've had some people go, but
I don't understand why they can't. Why piercing and why
Jones why they're always going off. And let's be real clear.
You got some negroes in the Tennessee Black caukers who
can't stand y'all, and they think that y'all make too
much noise, you're getting too much attention, and you should
play the goal along and get a long game. But

(01:35:22):
that ain't gotten black folks anything. There's a lot of
people wanted to play the goal along, get along game
when it came to Tennessee State and we saw how
they still trying to take that university over. Also when
the state controller wanted to take over that small black
town because that money was coming in. Same thing. And
so the go along, get along game that is not
helping black folks in Tennessee. When you got a crazy,

(01:35:44):
demented mag of Republicans in control, I.

Speaker 9 (01:35:47):
Mean, you got to be honest about where we're up against.

Speaker 23 (01:35:50):
And too often we're playing from a rule book or
a playbook that is old, that is tired, and that
they've thrown now decades ago. We have to realize that
communities like the community of Mason of Brownsville to get forward,
to have a community benefits agreement. And so what do
Republicans in the Tennessee General Assembly, do they actually bring
forward legislation to make it illegal for corporations to enter
into community benefits agreements if they get any incentives from

(01:36:11):
the state. We realize that anytime that we try to
make progress here in our city, we're trying to do
some work around guaranteed basic income, and now the state
legislatures bringing forward legislation that you can't use any money
at a local at the local level for guaranteed basic income.
All the times we try to make this progress, we
experience this white lash, the resentment to the progress that
we are trying to make that is more equable, that

(01:36:32):
it is more fair, that is more just. And for
anybody who is operating on that old playbook thinking that
there's somehow this great savior of a Republican or there's
a country incious Republican who's going to start stepping up
and stepping out of line with the status.

Speaker 9 (01:36:43):
Quo, I wouldn't hold your breath forward.

Speaker 23 (01:36:45):
What we have to do is fight differently, engage our
communities more intentionally, and mobilize more people not just to
register to boot, but to show up at the polls
to make sure that our voices are being hit at
the local, state, and the federal level because too many
of our representatives believe that if they go to their
jobs strictly, then that's all of it, and they're not
back in their communities.

Speaker 9 (01:37:04):
Like I am here in District eighty.

Speaker 23 (01:37:05):
Six fighting Elon Musk who has an XAI plant here,
who has eighteen gas turbines that's polluting the air with
formaldehyde at ten tons per year. Right like, we got
issues that we need our elected leaders to be on
the front lines of and to be working alongside community
organizations to help to address. We cannot operate as though
this was ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, sixty years ago.

(01:37:27):
We have to start planning, thinking that far into the
future and realizing that if we continue to be silent,
if we continue to allow our people to be disrespected,
allow ourselves to be denigrated and disrespected, they are going
to say that this is what we desired and this
is what we wanted. I refuse to do that on
behalf of my district, on behalf of my family, because
I know that if we do not resist, if we

(01:37:47):
do not dissent, they will say that we are assenting
to the pain and to the travesties that they are
causing all across our country, whether you talk about Dodge
and the herd, to veterans and to social Security and
to Medicaid, or you're talking about right here in Memphis,
seeing that Chamber of Commerce exploiting the people in this
community to allow Elon Musk to do whatever he wants
without any recompense. We've got work to do, and we

(01:38:07):
need elected leaders who are going to rise to meet
this moment, who are not going to bow down, be
broken and bent by the status quote.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Let's be real clear. They only believe in local control
when they are the ones who are in control. So
they want to tell Memphis how to spend Memphisis money,
which is black people. They want to tell Nashville how
to spend Nashville's money. I'm gonna go to my two
panelies with me. Nola, your question for Representative Peerson, then rec.

Speaker 12 (01:38:32):
Go Representative Peerson. First of all, young brother, you are
so impressive. I really need you to know that. And
you are carrying the world on your shoulders, and you
were doing it just with elegance and grace and a
ferociousness that I truly admire. So I just want to
say that you are so impressive, and I'm also I'm

(01:38:54):
sorry and not sorry what happened because you mentioned this
idea of revolution of value and I want to stay
there for a while because you're right. So much of
this is about the cruelty. It's about getting people to
bend the knee. It's about you know, taking the hood off,
you know, essentially and thinking you're supposed to scare somebody
after you take the hood off. Right, But my question

(01:39:17):
to you is about this revolution of values. This to
me is important and it's what's missing in the messaging.
What do you say to the party behind closed doors
in terms of messaging and what's going right and what's
going wrong.

Speaker 23 (01:39:35):
Look, I think for the Democratic Party, we have to
prioritize the issues that are affecting people who have been
negatively impacted by the oppression of a capitalistically exploitative plantation economy.
We have to address the reality of our situation that
has two billionaires. It's literally the Trump Musk administration hurting
the future prospects of our nation. And to my colleagues

(01:39:57):
and to people in the party, look, we work and
we fight for working class people. We work and we
fight for the uplift of black folks, for immigrants, for
poor folks, for people who've been disinvested in That is
who we are and our responsibility is to go back
to that true identity. So those true ideologies that help
to make us who we are and helped us to
build a very strong party. Trying to pretend like if

(01:40:20):
we become more conservative, you know, then we're going to
get enough people on our side. If we become more Republican,
I think, as Bernie Sanders once said, then we're going
to get some of the Republicans on our side.

Speaker 9 (01:40:28):
That's not what we need to do. We need to
fight oligarchy.

Speaker 23 (01:40:30):
We need to fight these anti democratic, anti constitutional things
that are happening at our state and at our local
and at our federal level. We need to organize across states,
whether it be in Nebraska or in Tennessee, or in
Mississippi and Alabama to make sure that the voices of
people who are in those states is being heard and
not just concentrate our efforts on California, in Massachusetts and
New York. We have to use our power where we

(01:40:51):
have it to go against the status quo, and even
in places where Democrats are in power.

Speaker 9 (01:40:56):
We need to see a reduction in poverty.

Speaker 23 (01:40:58):
We need to see an increase in the minimum way,
We need to see an increase in the amount of
laws dealing with guarantee basic income.

Speaker 9 (01:41:03):
When we have power, we've got to use it.

Speaker 23 (01:41:06):
And where we don't have power, we have a responsibility
to build it. But we don't build it on the
backs of people who are already oppressed. We don't build
it on the backs of people who are already suffering. Instead,
we come to those communities and do things for those
communities to help them and to show them that, Look,
we are in this fight not for every four years
for a presidential election, but for county commission, for public
utility board, for city council, for the mayoral race, for

(01:41:28):
the sheriff's race, because we want you to live a
life of peace, of joy, of happiness.

Speaker 9 (01:41:32):
That God's called for you to have. We are not
there yet.

Speaker 23 (01:41:34):
I think Ken Martin and some of the other folks
have a different vision than we've had in the past
that we need, which is proximity to poor folks, proximity
to work in class folks, proximity to people who have
not had access to power.

Speaker 9 (01:41:45):
That's what we have to do as a party, and
that's our work.

Speaker 23 (01:41:47):
It's not to be friends with all the billionaires and
millionaires and then shut up as they pollute the environment
that we breathe Richie.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Of course, moderated conversation on Monday between DNC chaired Ken
Martin as well as Congressman how King Jeffries. We stream
that right here in the Black stud Network. Recie, what's
your question?

Speaker 6 (01:42:06):
Thank you Roland for a streaming that I did see that.

Speaker 16 (01:42:09):
First of all, Representative Person, my condolences to you and
your family, and I absolutely salute the fact that you
have been tireless in your work. Your advocacy extends beyond
being an elected official and the votes that you cast.
And I know that throughout your career the Republicans have

(01:42:30):
been trying to silence you as much as possible. And
that stunt that that pos I'll be respectful, tried to
pull is a part of the pattern that Republicans use
and trying to deflect away from what they're doing. So
I would just like to know for a second he
was deflecting and he was trying to put it back

(01:42:51):
on you in a very disrespectful way, and civility is
not what they're really looking for. They're looking for you
all being docile, because they are the opposite of civility.
So if you can, for the audience, just give people
a handful of things, or one or two things that
these folks are trying to deflect away from by constantly
trying to silence you and your colleagues.

Speaker 23 (01:43:11):
Yeah, I mean the silencing of elected leaders who have
been sent by their constituents to speak on their behalf
is something that is becoming a core tenant of the
way that the supermajority of Republican Party in the state
of Tennessee and so many other places is operating.

Speaker 9 (01:43:25):
Another way that you see the show up is in legislation.

Speaker 23 (01:43:27):
Bills that democratic representatives bring forward oftentimes don't get a
second in committee, which means that they don't get hurt
or committee get closed right before that representative speaks. That
actually happened to me, right before my bill was presented.
They adjourned the committee for the rest of the year.
These attacks are anti democratic, they're anti constitutional, and anti
the principles that we're supposed to a spouse, not only

(01:43:49):
as elected officials, but as people who live in a democracy.
And when you're thinking about the personal interactions. You saw
what happened with Andrew Farmer and me. Right, that's not
uncommon at The disrespect that exist for representatives, particularly representatives
who are black, is a part of the modus apperandi
of people. And then they're going to say, well, nobody
mentioned race, right, Like that's going to again a deflection

(01:44:12):
from the reality. But what haven't we done is what
I started to explain to represent a farmer while I
was helping to take care of my nephews and our
family is continuing to mend from this tragedy.

Speaker 9 (01:44:22):
What haven't we done.

Speaker 23 (01:44:23):
We haven't expanded medicaid in the state of Tennessee, and
three hundred thousand people are uninsured, especially those in rural
areas and in different parts of the state that aren't
even in Memphis, in Shelby County that I represent.

Speaker 9 (01:44:32):
What haven't we done?

Speaker 23 (01:44:33):
We haven't made sure that immigrants and undocumented people are
getting access to the resources that they need to be
full participants in this society.

Speaker 9 (01:44:39):
What haven't we done?

Speaker 23 (01:44:40):
We haven't increased the minimum wage from seven dollars and
twenty five cent. It's the exact same thing as the
federal minimum wage and so we are having people who
are consistently living in poverty and our income median income
here in Memphis is thirty two thousand and five hundred
and eighty five dollars, which isn't enough for anybody to
live off of in an adequate way. We haven't improved
the educational quality and outcomes of people.

Speaker 9 (01:45:00):
Right now.

Speaker 23 (01:45:00):
There's an attempt to take over the school board, but
there's not an attempt to make sure that equitable resources
are being given to schools that is not based on
property taxes, and so the poor will remain poor while
the wealthier continued to get rich. We haven't addressed the
systematic and systemic issues that are plaguing our communities, Black communities,
Latino communities, Queer communities, communities filled by people who are
oftentimes overlooked and under invested in. And so the work

(01:45:23):
right is to not deflect. It's to give in the trenches.
Is to ask hard questions. Is to use the research
and the data and if the articulation of my words
and the education that I've been blessed to be able
to get because my mama's a teacher with a doctor
a degree and my daddy is a preacher with a
Masters from Howard University upsets you, that's your problem. But
my responsibility is to advocate on behalf of our community

(01:45:44):
using the information that I know can help us to
move things forward.

Speaker 9 (01:45:48):
And we all have to do that.

Speaker 23 (01:45:49):
It's all of our responsibility to stay engaged and to
continue to this fight for justice and to build this
movement for justice rooted in love.

Speaker 9 (01:45:58):
Period.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Again, the representive peerson cadoles sister you and your family
for your loss.

Speaker 10 (01:46:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
That is it is never easy uh to win a
loved one, whether it's a mother, father, brothers, sister passes away.
But also keep up the fight, keep standing firm. Uh.
And uh. They hate when you're righteous, they hate when
you bring the fire. What they really want is they
want a lot of us to just shut up and

(01:46:27):
be quiet and fold.

Speaker 17 (01:46:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
They want us to be like a lot of the
people who have given up, who no longer want to
be in this fight. But as I always I love
playing that video uh from the Tuskegee Airmen. Uh when
that that in the movie Red Tales by George by
George Lucas Uh. And I purposely keep that, I purposely

(01:46:51):
keep that near me because again a lot of our folks,
we give up real easy. We give up real easy,
and we get frustrated. And that a lot of people
right now, they they're like, well, you know what, the
election is over.

Speaker 7 (01:47:05):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
People are saying, well, you know what, we we're just
gonna rest. We just gonna sit here. Uh and uh
and and sit down. And I keep saying, no, that
were people like Tuskegee air Man. They couldn't sit down
and rest. They could not they could not sit down
and just say well, we're just gonna give up. Uh.
And I always play this scene. Uh and so this
fifteen seconds. If you don't have it on your phone,

(01:47:27):
I keep it on my phone whenever you need it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
And actually a couple that I always play this is
one of them watched this, not this's difficult challenge. From
the last plane to the last pullet, to the last
minute to the last man, we fight, fight, and that
really is the story of black people in America.

Speaker 9 (01:47:51):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:52):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (01:47:53):
We fight, we fight, and we can't we can't not fight.

Speaker 23 (01:47:57):
And praise God ruling that there were some people who
didn't know who we were going to become that fault
for us, and we know the generations from now, they
are going to be people who come who will say,
praise God that there were some folks who fought and
they never knew our names.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Absolutely, Justine Pearson, we appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:48:12):
Thanks a much, Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:48:13):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Let's keep fighting, Yes, sir, appreciate it. Folks, we talk
about fighting. Yesterday I played a video of Congress Women
Stacey Plaskt. She was really fired up about what's going
on with Social Security and all of these various cuts.
I want to play this for you. Watch this, and
you know what.

Speaker 15 (01:48:33):
This place is broken because Congress has abdicated its responsibility
to be the ones to find that race, fraud and
abuse and to do something different about it. We're letting
somebody who's unelected, who's an auditor. Now he's an auditor?
Is he everything? Is he God to be able to

(01:48:53):
do what he wants to do with the American people.
It's got to stop. I yield back out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
That was again congress Woman Sasty Plaska of the Virginia
of the Virgin Islands. And remember we told you what
Howard Lutnick said. Howard Lutnik is worth four billion dollars
and he gave an interview and he made this comment about, oh, well,
what would happen, you know if social Security checks relay,

(01:49:23):
and you know, it's really no big deal because you know,
his ninety four year old mother in law wouldn't complain.
Let me remind you of that.

Speaker 25 (01:49:32):
Let's say Social Security didn't send out their checks this month.
My mother in law, who's ninety four, she wouldn't call
and complain.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
She just wouldn't.

Speaker 25 (01:49:44):
She'd thinks something got messed up and she'll get it
next month. A fraudster always makes the loudest noise, screaming, yelling,
and complaining.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Reese was being very nice when she called what she
said pos no. How Relutnick, who's worth four billion dollars
is absolutely a piece of shit. And he's also joined
by the world's richest person, Elon Musk, because moments ago
on Fox News with Brett Baer, this is what Elon

(01:50:19):
Musk say about Social Security.

Speaker 15 (01:50:24):
No.

Speaker 13 (01:50:24):
In fact, what we're doing will help their benefits.

Speaker 26 (01:50:28):
Legitimate people, as a result of the work of DOGE
will receive more Social Security, not less. When emphasize that
as a result of the work of DOGE, legitimate recipients
of Social Security will receive more.

Speaker 13 (01:50:40):
Money, not less money.

Speaker 9 (01:50:42):
All right, emphasize that point, and.

Speaker 26 (01:50:45):
Let the record show that I said this and it
will be proven out to be true. Let's let's check
back on this in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
So Washington Post, y'all know that boy Lyon he's lying, Recie,
because I'm sorry, how are you gonna receive more if
it's already been established how much you are to receive.
It's not all of a sudden, Oh yeah, we're gonna
go find a waste, fraud and abuse. And before you
were getting four hundred dollars, now we're gonna send you

(01:51:14):
seven hundred dollars. That's not how social Security works.

Speaker 16 (01:51:19):
Well, first of all, let me be clear. I only
said po is out of respect for representative person. Y'all
know I don't have a problem cussin. So fuck Elon Musk.
And this is what happens when you put a South
African billionaire in charge of the whole god damn government,
because he wouldn't know a damn thing about Social Security.
How it's calculated the fact that we as Americans pay
into Social Security.

Speaker 6 (01:51:40):
It's our motherfucking money.

Speaker 16 (01:51:42):
Okay, So you're not bestowing more or less money because
of this so called waste, fraud and abuse.

Speaker 6 (01:51:49):
It just shows more and more how they're out of touch.
Howard luttn it.

Speaker 16 (01:51:54):
Why the hell would y'all rich ass mama or grandma,
whoever the hell be checking for our social Security check?
People need they coin. I don't know how much money
these people think that folks have that are on a
fixed income, that are over the age of sixty seventy
is keeps growing thanks to Republicans. People are going to
raise hell because they need they check. And these people,

(01:52:15):
these Republicans from the Trump administration, are doing more and
more to stand in between people and the money that
they have put into this system.

Speaker 6 (01:52:26):
The bullshit they're trying to do.

Speaker 16 (01:52:27):
Around eliminating phone verifications, trying to force people, not me
being respectful of the fact that if you're an elder,
you're on a fixed income, it's going to be harder
for you to take your ass into somebody's office. Now
everybody has access to internet to do this internet verification
and so on and so farth.

Speaker 6 (01:52:44):
And that doesn't even include what.

Speaker 16 (01:52:46):
The acting Social Security Director has been saying by basically
threatening to shut down the operations of Social Security because
the judge tried to block him from getting Doge access.

Speaker 6 (01:52:57):
So these people are playing in your faces.

Speaker 16 (01:53:00):
And I want you to hear this in particular Florida
First and sixth district, because I know a lot of
y'all are on Social Security, and I know a lot
of y'all keep voting in these goddamn Republicans because you
think they planning about going after Social Security. But these
people right now are telling you if unchecked, which Republicans
have completely abdicated their responsibility to do that coming after

(01:53:21):
your benefits. And then when you try to cry about
it and your ass is a victim and you can't
put food on your table, they.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
Gonna call you waste, frauded abuse. So what you're gonna
do about it?

Speaker 16 (01:53:30):
Elections are on April first, Get your old ass out
and vote for the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Period. And in Wisconsin too, well, the election it was
constants April first. You have constitutional amendments in Louisiana on Saturday.
We absolutely should be voting in that case. Here's the
whole thing here. No, I'm gonna play one more clip
because I need people to understand what the game is. Okay,
the Republicans are all about bumper stickers. So what is

(01:53:54):
their bumper sticker? Waste fraud abuse, waste fraud abuse, waste
fraud abuse. Weis fraud abuse. It's all you hear on
Fox News. Weis fraud abuse. Oh, the only people who
are complaining are frousters. The only people who complaining are fraudsters.
Listen to Elon Musk moments ago, Red Britt Bear on
Fox News.

Speaker 13 (01:54:16):
Righteous indignation, the fraudsters.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Come on, guys, have the audio up here, we go listen.

Speaker 26 (01:54:23):
Most amount of fake righteous indignation the fraudsters.

Speaker 13 (01:54:28):
That's it's a tell. Is that are crazy?

Speaker 26 (01:54:31):
Like the two billion dollars to Stacey Aprons ANDNGO that
basically doesn't exist and somethingly gets two billion dollars awarded from.

Speaker 13 (01:54:37):
The federal government.

Speaker 7 (01:54:39):
She is why?

Speaker 13 (01:54:40):
And there are many such cases like that. I think that.

Speaker 27 (01:54:43):
Most people, common sense wise, would say the fraud's got
to end. They're concerned about the ninety four year old
mother who skips a check or somehow doesn't get what she's.

Speaker 10 (01:54:54):
Supposed to say.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
I want you to understand what they're doing here again. No,
look they're sitting here going, oh you saw how he
did that? Oh, the fraud and he slides in Stacy
Abrams got two billion dollars. Here's the reality, do jpitpoint
and no fraud. They literally are canceling legitimate contracts. They
cannot back up what they're doing with facts, and they're

(01:55:19):
constantly having to revise their numbers because they didn't go
on Fox News. They lie about the waste, fraud and
abuse they found, and then when somebody calls them out
on it, oh yeah, let's revise it down. But the
lie has already been circulated.

Speaker 12 (01:55:37):
They were rolling out messaging. They were testing messaging. That's
what that was about. And to your point, because Elon
must doesn't strike me as a really confident person the
way that he slid Stacy Abrams in there and attached
two billion dollars to her name, you know, which is
basically putting a target on her back, right, which is
to say, you know why why black women? You you're money,

(01:56:01):
You're not building spaceships, you know, because the money that
Elon Musk gets from the government, you know, in his
mind and people that support him, that money is okay,
give him all the things, give him all the money.
But this black woman down in Georgia, it must be fraud.
So what is going to happen people who speak up

(01:56:21):
about social security? They are branding them. This is basically
the new welfare queen message. Right, So anyone that speaks
up about, hey I didn't I didn't get my benefits
or my mom or my grandmother, Oh, they must automatically
be committing fraud. Nothing has to be proven. We've seen
with this administration. They don't need to provide proof of anything,

(01:56:43):
nor do they need to provide a plan for anything. Right, So,
to me, this is this is testing messaging, and they're
trying to see if it sticks, and they're trying to
see if it lands.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Yep, that's exactly what it is. So I just need
people to understand what's going on. What they're doing here.
It's no different then the announcement of the Department of
Healthy Human Services. They're laying off ten thousand people. Oh,
these researchers, these doctors, the employers, they're not important. I'm
warning everybody right now, watch what happens. When you see

(01:57:14):
an increase in salmonella cases, You're going to see an
increase in drinking water cases. Because they are getting rid
of all regulation, they're getting rid of inspectors, they're getting
rid of people who are there to cure, there to
keep us safe when it comes to prescription drugs, when
it comes to testing, when it comes to studies, they

(01:57:37):
don't want any of this receipt And when they talk
about waste, fraud, in abuse, all in Social Security, and
that y'all also notice, isn't amazing hud HHS, us AI, D,
Social Security, Department of Education are silent about the one

(01:58:01):
department that gets the most money everywhere and in any
other agency in America, that gets almost a trillion dollars,
that has the highest documented amount of waste in America,
and that's the Department of Defense. Real silent about them.

Speaker 16 (01:58:24):
Reci Well, maybe that's in the Hoothy signal group check.
Maybe they having that conversation there as opposed to having
it publicly. But the crazy part, Browland, was they actually
increased in this past continued resolution the budget for the
Department of Defense, and so they are cutting federal workers,

(01:58:46):
but certainly that money is going to go to contractors
like Elon Musk, who has got his paws in every
single dog on bucket.

Speaker 6 (01:58:53):
But the reality is we have to look at.

Speaker 16 (01:58:56):
All of these policies that they're putting out the way
that they are dismantling our healthcare infrastructure, our educational institutions
because those are largely funded by research grants, the way
that they are attacking social security, Medicare, Medicaid snap.

Speaker 6 (01:59:15):
You know it's referred.

Speaker 16 (01:59:17):
To well yeah, food sorry, food stamps snap, the food stamps.
All of these things put together. Oh and by the way,
climate change combating all that stuff, all that stuff put together,
it paints a very clear picture. This is about proning
the population. It is about getting rid of the people.
They think that we're the waste, fraud and abuse. We're

(01:59:41):
the waste. They want to get rid of the human waste,
the people that they think are sucking on the teeth
of the billionaires, even though the billionaires are using our
resources to buy them yachts in trips outer space.

Speaker 6 (01:59:55):
We're the waste.

Speaker 16 (01:59:56):
And once people start to realize that they I don't
see the humanity of people who have different abilities, they
don't see the humanity in black people, they don't see
the humanity and people outside of the United States, then
they won't understand that the waste is us, okay, and
they're never going to be satisfied until they diminish the

(02:00:20):
wasteful population. So this is a matter of survival that
people have to understand. It is truly about life or death.
It is truly about generationally, are we going to be
better off because of these policies if we even around
to have that conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
And so just so, yeah, this is a throat pulled
up NOLA. Take the F thirty five joint strike fighter
that was supposed to cost two hundred billion dollars. The
lifetime cost of that program has soared to one point
seven trillion dollars and has more than eight hundre unresolved

(02:01:00):
design flaws. And it shows you just you're gonna love
this graphic right here. The Pentagon is a budget of
more than eight hundred billion a year. In this most
recent audit failure, the Pentagon could not account for over
half of its assets. But Dolge ain't going near the
Pentagon budget. They'd rather focus on social security checks of

(02:01:23):
old folk in America.

Speaker 12 (02:01:25):
Well, this is part of the problem where you move fast,
you break.

Speaker 4 (02:01:29):
It, and you keep building, right, this kind of.

Speaker 12 (02:01:33):
Musk way that we've adopted in terms of innovating, you know.
He criticizes NASA for saying that you know, they.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
Move too slow.

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
They move too slow.

Speaker 4 (02:01:42):
They moved too slow.

Speaker 12 (02:01:44):
We have to go faster, you know, build harder, and
if we break it, we build it all over again.
You could see them applying that same sort of strategy
to the way that they're approaching the federal government. They
don't care if they break it, you know, they they
don't care if they break it. And so when you
think about DoD and when you think about how so

(02:02:07):
much money is spent and so much money just completely
evaporates because they're trying to innovate, they're trying to innovate.

Speaker 4 (02:02:15):
They're trying to innovate.

Speaker 12 (02:02:16):
But you know, at the same time they're trying to innovate,
they're trying to compete.

Speaker 4 (02:02:20):
But they're going fast.

Speaker 12 (02:02:22):
They're going fast, fast, fast, fast, fast, and they're breaking
things all over the place. And that creates this kind
of waste, right, this, this creates this waste.

Speaker 4 (02:02:32):
And like you said, you.

Speaker 12 (02:02:33):
Know, once upon a time there was a divisional there
was a division of kind of like national security and
foreign policy labor where Department of State Diplomacy first, you know,
got more of that chunk of money to go out
into the world and to lead with diplomacy, but then
there was a shift, there was a policy shift, and

(02:02:53):
DoD has over time definitely been the agency where the
money kind of goes and disappears. So, you know, I
don't have much to say beyond that other than I
just don't think this model of go fast and if
we break it, do it all over again, I do
not see how that is a sustainable model.

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