La. voters reject constitution amendments, Wis. and Mo. supreme court elections, Bishop Marvin Sapp

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
This Monday, March thirty, first, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Coming up on Rolling Back Unfiltered streaming live on the
Black Start Network.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Down goes Maga in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Louisiana voters reject for proposed consocial amitments. It was driven
by black voters. We'll talk to the folks who made
that happen. Big election tomorrow in Wisconsin. Also Missouri Tuesday.
Folks in Wisconsona will in new State Supreme Court Justice
U Saint Louis gearing up for the mayoral election. We'll

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talk to an advocate about to shar Jones's re election bid.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
He's a turney General.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Pam Bondi, director of the Justice Department, to dismiss a
lawsuit challenging a sweet election overhaul Georgia Republican lawmakers passed
in the wake of Donald Trump's twenty twenty election loss
in the state. I told y'all, they don't give a
damn ball black people. Plus, the White House Course Fundal
Association is canceled. Amber Ruffens appears at their dinner. How

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stupid are they? Plus Bishop Marvin's SAP is getting ripped
by folks getting death threats as a result of a
resurface viral clip where he orders ushers to close the
doors at a church convention. He goes on the Ricky
Smiley shows to defend it. I'm gonna tell you why
those people complaining should shut the hell up.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
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it is.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Helena believes he's right on top.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Best believe he's going.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
News to politics with anything that spuncase.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
He st.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
He's pron he's pulled up. Question No, he's proven.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Mont Louisiana MAGA Governor Jeff Landri has not had a
good forty eight hours after he saw four constitucial amendments

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go down in flames in a huge way. Amendment one
lost Big sixty five thirty five. Amendment two lost Big
sixty five thirty five. Amendment three loss big sixty six
percent to thirty four percent. Amendment Ford Law sixty five
thirty five. Early voting was powered by black voters. They

(03:10):
turn out in huge numbers. The folks that made that
happen join us right now. Activist Gary Chambers, Junior Ashley Shelton,
President and CEO The Power Coalition for Equity and Justice.
Cliff Albright, co founder Black Voters Matter, will also be
joined by General McLaughlin.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
In just a bit, Gary, I want to start with you. Look,
you came on a shove.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Multiple times they would try to pull in fifty cent
late to send out a video as well as text messages.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
None of that worked. It was a resounding rejection.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
I think that what you saw is when power and
people collide with each other, we can have real change
in our communities. I want to shout out Ashley Shelton,
Cliff and all of the organizations and organizers around the
state of Louisiana and the people of Louisiana and say
thank you for sending this message to Jeff Landry. This

(04:02):
is the first time that voters in Louisiana had the
opportunity to tell the governor and this supermajority legislature what
they think about the job that they're doing. And the
answer is that over sixty percent of the people of
Louisiana said no. Over thirty seven percent of the people
who showed up to vote early were black, and black
voters led the way through this conversation.

Speaker 8 (04:22):
I am so proud to be from Louisiana today.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
I have often said that Louisiana is not a red state,
it is an underfunded state. And what we saw here
was when the organizations had a balanced footing financially with
the governor. The governor did spend more money, but this
was not a race where they I think they overestimated
themselves and didn't spend as much as they normally would, and.

Speaker 8 (04:44):
So it was more of a fair fight.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
And in that fair fight, the policies and the things
that are on the right side of equity and justice
always win.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Rolling and thank you for always elevating these conversations.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Appreciate that, Ashley. Here's the deal, though, I always say
money cannot beat votes. When you engage people, when you
talk to them, when you educate, when you inform, and
then you let them know what's going on, it can
change elections.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And that's exactly what happened here.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Walk folks through what y'all did by traveling around the state.

Speaker 9 (05:17):
Yes, absolutely, And you know, for us this was this
is a great win because this really is about people power.
We know that we started with the town hall to
kind of build some momentum. Gary and I went across
the state of Louisiana talking to voters. I'm really proud
to say that we had large turnout at all of
our town hall meetings. We had black, white, old, young,

(05:38):
you know, people really were in tune to being engaged
and trying to understand, like was what was at stake.
And I mean we had folks coming out in the
poor and down rain, late night on, you know, missing
Bible study, whatever was necessary.

Speaker 10 (05:51):
For them to find out and.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Understand what was happening with these amendments.

Speaker 9 (05:55):
And then you know, we coupled that with a much
larger campaign led by about sixty groups across the state
who came together to really fight this. And so, you know,
big hats off to my friend Sarahmojola at VERA, and
my friend Chris and Lewis at Louisiana Center for Children's Rights,
Vote Voice of the Experienced, and so many more who
really threw down, you know, so that we could get

(06:16):
the message out. And I think that that's what happened
here is that you saw community stand up and say like,
we're not we can't we can't afford for politics as
usual here in Louisiana because we're too poor and there's
too much uncertainty, and these things were just patently bad.
And I think it's also of note for the percentages
you just shared that you know, Amendment three that would

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have put children as young as fourteen years old in
adult prisons got the most votes out of all of
these amendments, at sixty six percent versus sixty five sixty
four percent turnout until we know that you know what
they meant for harm, and the most egregious of these
amendments was the one thing that people turned out and
said absolutely not, we will not give up our children

(06:59):
so that you know, we can give the bigger tax
breaks to corporations that aren't even here in our state, Cliff.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
A lot of times I'm talking about for years, I've
said that people listen and stop sending money to campaigns
and being you beg and hoping the money comes back
into the community. I've said that when we fund our
own organizations, we can now spend the money the way
we want to. Y'all did that by working with grassroots folks,
folks on the ground.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
So talk about that piece as well, y'all. Mute.

Speaker 11 (07:37):
Yeah, And that's really, you know, what I wanted to
focus on, because certainly Gary and Ashley can really focus
on like the work that was done in Louisiana, and
we did some work there. It send out like five
hundred and eighty thousand dollars five hundred and eighty thousand
text messages. But it's really about that work that that
Gary and Ashley are explaining. And as you said, that
work takes resources. Part of the magic that we saw

(07:58):
that happened in Louisiana is when you see all of
these mechanisms of outreach, when you see Gary and Ashley
doing those town halls, when you see the text message
you when you get the door knocks, when you see
the social media, when you see all of that, that's
what has the impact on folks. But all of that
takes resources more importantly, and this is something that we
always emphasides in every state where we do our work

(08:19):
more importantly, that work has got to take place all
throughout the year. Not every text message is created equal.
A text message from Ashley from Power Coalition, from Gary
is more impactful because people get that all throughout the year.
They get it in a presidential year, they get it
in a gouberlatorial year, they get it during the legislative session.
They get it during the primaries. They are doing this work.

(08:40):
They are credible messengers because it is NonStop and that
takes resources. It's not just about what people put into
these organizations in the last two weeks, in the last
two months. It is about the way that we sustain
our ecosystems. And what Ashley is describing is an entire ecosystem.
Those sixty organizations doing work every year, three hundred and

(09:01):
sixty five days throughout the year.

Speaker 12 (09:03):
That's where the magic is at.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
But this is the point right there, Gary that I
have been yelling and screaming you cannot focus on three
or four months before the election. I've also made clear
that the black voter has changed. If you just look
at the data, the data doesn't lie. The people that
vote the highest or sixty five plus, they make it

(09:26):
clear they are informed, they know what's going on, and
then they turn out the next.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Highest group is fifty five to sixty four.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Once you go below fifty five, hey, it gets harder
and harder, which means that you also have to be
educating people. We also cannot wait for a party to
invest resources in a candidate.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
The reality is that when you start looking at frankly
the issues.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
More than likely a Democratic candidate is going to align
with black folks on the issue, which mean but you
still have to reach them, talk to them, educate them,
inform them. And so I just need people to understand
that if we're talking about twenty twenty six, we're going
to be using the time now through the end of

(10:14):
the year to get folks ready mentally, get them ready
for the primary season in twenty twenty six, and then
get ready for a massive turnout in the twenty twenty
six bitterm elections.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I think you're absolutely right. I agree with everything that
Cliff said as well as Ashley.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
I think what you saw here in Louisiana is when
all of the wills and mechanisms are working together well
and when.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
They are in a fair fight.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
And so what we need right now is for the
Democratic Party and those around the country to pay attention
to the Deep South Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, these places where
black people are in community, and then empower the voices
and the people in community that they trust to go
do the work that we already do. When you see

(11:00):
people from working class white men showing up at these
events to brothers with goals in their mouth. You know
that you are cooking with the right sauce right now,
and you're going to be able to get the combination
that you need at the ballot box. That, to me
is the specialty in what we do that's different than
a regular ad on TV. The text, messages, the communication,

(11:23):
the mail, when it's coming from people that you trust,
that is something that you can mobilize behind. The other
thing is, while the rest of the country is telling
us to stop talking about black issues, black issues is
what motivated black people to get out and go vote.
That we need to have things that either black people
care about that they can go out and fight for,
or when we are defending our families and our children,

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black people will show up. We have to be motivated
in certain situations unless we go out and do the
work of educating and informing our population of people. Because
the reality is there's a whole generation of black people
that cannot grow.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Up with the understanding of what took place in this
of a rights movement.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
They are actively not teaching our children our history, and
so it's on us to get into these communities, build relationship,
have conversations with our people, and give them the information
that they need.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I say all the time, I trust the brilliance of black.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
People when they have the information.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
So, all right, Ashley, this election is over. What's next
for the Power Coalition.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
Well, we're gearing up for legislative sessions. So we go
into session mid April, and you know, we think we're
gonna build on this moment and build on this momentum.
And so this is the time, you know, they use
the teacher this teacher stiphen that was not a pay raise.
They absolutely had the power to give our teachers a
pay raise, and the legislature chose not to. But we're
gonna use this as an opportunity to motive mobilize our

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teachers to say, like, let's actually go fight for a
pay raise, since allegedly that's what the governor was trying
to do. And so using these moments to really help
people galvanize and really get behind what they deserve and
what is actually and to like take the mystery out
of politics, like no, like, the legislature has the power
to give you a pay raise, and so let's let's

(13:08):
go and fight for that, especially since they try to
use you to drive voter turnout and you know, and
take advantage of you and not give you what you deserved.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Now, what also are you looking at in terms of
Gary on keeping them mintum going, Because again, it's a
lot that happens. People say, I'm busy, and so how
do you see April through January and then let's say January,
the first January through June, and then July through November.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
Gary, So one of the things I'm already actively working
on is to do a civics for the people on
some college campuses because I think that we've got to
get our young people informed in understanding the policies that
are impacting.

Speaker 8 (13:51):
Them and then how they can play a role in that.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
I think that a lot of times we expect people
to participate in the game that they don't understand, and
so it's on us to make sure they stay in
the rules, understand their role in playing this game, and
then empower them so that they can get out there
and get to work in this field the same way
that we are.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Cliff.

Speaker 12 (14:12):
Yeah, So a couple of things.

Speaker 11 (14:13):
One, in terms of Louisiana, you know, we're going to
keep working with Garret, keep working with Ashley on some
of those state issues as well as on some of
the federal issues. One of the things that we know
is critical in Louisiana is the attacks that's been coming
from the administration in terms of environmental protection. Right, we
all know about Louisiana and cancer allity in a range
of issues.

Speaker 12 (14:33):
Policies like that impact our folks.

Speaker 11 (14:35):
When we can connect those dots on what exactly is
happening at the policy level at the federal level, and
how it's impacting.

Speaker 12 (14:42):
Literally our lives, our health, our housing.

Speaker 11 (14:45):
In places like Louisiana, then people will get more motivated
to get involved.

Speaker 12 (14:50):
The other thing is, you know, just you know, shameless plug.

Speaker 11 (14:53):
We got to remember there's some other elections taking place tomorrow, Wisconsin, Florida.
I'm sure that ticking. To talk about that a little
bit later on Roland. But this same process that we're
talking about here for Louisiana, investing in the infrastructure, investing
in the local groups, doing it three hundred and sixty
five days out of the here. There's some great groups
in some of those counties, some NAACB chapters that we're

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working in, some churches that we've.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Been working with.

Speaker 11 (15:17):
All those organizations need support even in these last twenty
four hours. Right, there are things that everybody watching this
can do to continue to support those elections and continue
to support Louisiana. The last thing I'll say about Louisiana
is this, It's all about momentum. It's like telling a story.
This victory in some ways bills off of I'm sure
Gary and Ashley will talk about the victory of that
second congressional district that was recently won in the state

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of Louisiana. That came about because of deep organizing that
Ashley and Gary and others in that state have been doing. Yes,
this litigation, Yes, LDF has done an incredible job, but
that litigation can only be successful when you got the
folks who are on the ground doing the work, even
serving to be plaintiffs.

Speaker 12 (15:57):
So all these strategies have got to work together.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Last one, when is it there New Orleans mayor election?
When is that?

Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's this October Roland And so that is for me,
one of the critical issues for us, for all of
the black folks in America who enjoyed the Super Bowl.

Speaker 13 (16:14):
And all of that black flavor that was in it.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
There is a mayor's election in New Orleans.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
A lot of y'all gonna come to town for essence,
make sure that you're paying attention to the black candidate
that's on the ballot. There are there is a reason
that we have the magic that we have in that city,
and it has been.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Black people and black leadership.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Louisiana over the last few years has lost the black
mayors in four out of the five largest cities in
the state. And so New Orleans is the only city
that is a sizable city in the state of Louisiana
with a black mayor currently and it is my intention
to make sure that it remains a black mayor in
New Orlean.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, Ashley, if you could speak on that, and I
would also hope that the black candidate is reaching out
black on media talking.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
We going to make sure it happens.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, actually, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (17:04):
Yeah, no, And I wanted to share too, you know,
like this week, I'm glad Cliff brought up the congressional district.
We were just at the Supreme Court on Monday of
last week talking to talking about keeping our congressional district
because we were challenged by several white voters saying that
we were disenfranchising them from their their right to vote
and so we are really proud. We felt like, you know,

(17:26):
we handled the case very you know, our lawyers at
LDF as well as Louisiana Inspector General did an amazing
job defending the state's right to keep to keep our
second majority my minority district. And then we also will
be fighting for maps this fall, so we have they
also on the state level, we have nine seats that
we are contending for to actually get to an equitable
map which breaks the super majority in both the House

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and the Senate, and those maps will be considered in
this legislative session. And so this is about, you know,
bringing the power back to the people. This is about
equity and voice and opportunity. So you know, we're really
excited about, you know, how we move forward and how
we take this momentum to the next level.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
So I am very much a believer in when you
have a victory, you spend forty eight seventy two hours
and join that victory, then it's time to get back
to work. So to the folk out there, first of all,
y'all did an amazing job. To the people, I've seen
the posting on like, hey, where do you go to Louisiana.
Let me also say this here, and I've seen a

(18:23):
bunch of y'all comments saying, oh man, this is awesome,
but you just said they.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Can't they can't deposit.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's awesome, and I need our people to understand we
got to also invest again. It's going to be on
the ground the mayor election. You hear as you talk
about the fighting of the maps, all of that. If
you're able to get black representation in those nine districts,
now of a sudden, they don't have the super majority
in Louisiana. Now they can't ignore Democrats. Now they're going

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to talk to black people before they pass anything. And
so this is an example of what happens when we
use our power. And I am constant least saying the
target for black people in every place where there are
a lot of us is seventy percent. If we hit
seventy percent of our capacity, we completely change elections. I

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don't want to see us happy with thirty eight forty
two fifty. It should be seventy seventy five percent because
we're going to have a hell of a challenge in
twenty twenty six. You've got the Georgia senatorial race, You've
got other races. You've got congressional races. Democrats are three
seats away from breaking Republicans controlling that. But we have

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to be maximizing our power and not just talking about it.
And so Ashley Gary, we also appreciate Cliff as well,
Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Gino's supposed to join us.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Gino mcloffe has some issues there with his connection, but
we want to take all of you and so we'll
be sure to have y'all back on.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Thanks a lot, folks.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
When we come back, we're gonna talk about the Saint
Louis Mayorlier race April eighth. We're gonna talk about special
elections of Wisconsin's Supreme Court race tomorrow, two races in
Florida as well.

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All right, folks, bringing in my panel right now, joining us.
Derek Jackson, State representative out of Georgia. Glad to have
him on the show. Also on the show, Ben Dixon, pastor,
political commentator, author of God is Not a Republican, joining
us out of Atlanta. Mondel Robinson, Principal Black Mayor Voters
Project Mayor Enfield, North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Glad to have all three of you here. Want to
start with you, Mondale. We saw again the power of
the black vote.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Thirty seven percent of all votes in early voting, African
American folks were turning out. That drove the numbers the
governor was expecting about twelve percent turnout. All of a
sudden They were like, always look like it's gonna be
twenty five. That's what happens when we show up. But
you have to be engaging us. That's what Power Coalition did,

(25:07):
That's what Gary did. Black Voters Matter did so to
Ken Martin, the Democratic National Committee, to all of these
rich Democrats, Democrats, these rich progressives and others. If you
invest money on the ground early, it pays dividends.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, listen, this is not a it should
not be a new idea.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
The idea that winning spending bunches of money, billions of
dollars on ads is not how you're going to engage
a black voter or increase their participation, which is necessary
in the New South.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
You don't win Southern districts.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
Without black people participating.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
So we see when you're engaging with people who are
of community, have the resources to reach these voters.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
We go out and droves.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And it also disproves this myth that black people are
becoming more conservative or has this disdain for the Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
It's just not true.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
What is true is it takes resources to reach out
voters in a way that is not transactional, and it's
more transformative and that's what we're getting right now.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
The thing here, Ben, it's not hard, and I've been
saying it till I'm blu in the face. You can't
run campaigns in twenty twenty five like you ran in
nineteen eighty five. You have to spend more time, energy
and money talking to core based voters. If you're Democrats,

(26:30):
and for black people, this is all about what are
our interests. The reality is that Republicans, Maga Conservatives were
pushing these four constitutional amendments. It's not see people get
caught up in oh man, you shinning for the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
No, no, no, it ain't Democrat or Republican.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
It's understanding who's actually in power and what's best for
black people.

Speaker 22 (26:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 15 (26:54):
One of the things with that Democratic shill talking point
is that it's actually a well funded talking point to
depress the vote for these exact reasons.

Speaker 22 (27:03):
But something critical that.

Speaker 15 (27:04):
You all have been saying already today that's so important
is the infrastructure, the networks, the people who get out
and knock on these doors. They overcome these talking points,
that overcome the propaganda. A door to door conversation is
so much more powerful than a social media tweet or
a radio ad not to say that we shouldn't do
those things, but it's a year round engagement that we've

(27:27):
been talking about, that you've been talking about NonStop rolling,
and that I know organizations like Black Voters Matter and
clip Albright they have been pounding the payment and we
need to see a lot more of that, especially as
we come up to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 23 (27:38):
Derek, you know, Roland, I mean, I definitely don't want
to sound like a broken rugger here, but in the end,
this clearly demonstrates that when you invest in us, we
will real respond. I mean, you're not going to just
fly someone in like fifty cents and think that that's

(27:59):
going to be an enough to convince our vote or
to sway our vote. It takes mobilization and organization, and
this demonstrates the power at the grassroots level.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
It demonstrates the power of the Black church.

Speaker 23 (28:13):
It demonstrates the power of those advocates like Gary and
Chambers and having that voice and platforms such as yours
to get that word out. So this clarity demonstrates that
we can continue to do what we always had been
telling everybody what we can do if they invest in us.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
And this next door is a perfect example use.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Attorney General Pambondi has instructured the DOJ to dismiss a
lawsuit related to Jeordia's elections that was filed in June
twenty twenty one. The lawsuit claimed that Jeordia's voting law
was intentionally designed to restrict black voters access to the ballot.
The law was part of a series of Republican back
initiatives aimed at tightening voting rules following Trump's defeat in

(28:54):
twenty twenty, which was a competent by unverified in bs
claimed of voter fraud.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
That stuff just did not exist.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
A December analysis by the Brendan Center for Justice show
that while the number of ballots cast by black voters
increased from twenty twenty four, overall black voter turnout to
climb by point six percent. I'm gonna go to you,
Derek again. Elections have consequences. The Biden Harris Department of
Justice stood behind this lawsuit. Donald Trump, They're like, now

(29:26):
we're good. So this is what happens when we don't
show up in elections and people like Trump win.

Speaker 23 (29:34):
And now only that I mean Roland, I mean right now,
under this general legislature right now, this week, we're starting
to see how they continue to manufacture these lies.

Speaker 8 (29:45):
This is call it what it is, the manufactured these lies.
Nothing was stolen.

Speaker 23 (29:51):
Dead people in Georgia are not voting and they're trying
to purge right now, Roland, four hundred and fifty thousand
citizens is from the books, and so they're all gearing
up for next year. And so we got to make
sure that we continue to call this stuff out, these
manufactured lies. But my only concern right now, Roland, is

(30:13):
that we do not have a DOJ to make these
complaints too, and so now we're gonna have to bring
through everything through litigation. And unfortunately we got to do
legislation through litigation, and that's where we are because we
do not have a DOJ to continue to make sure
that our votes are protected as they should have, because

(30:36):
this current administration already did away with the Civil Rights
division of the DOJ.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah and listen, Ben, these folks don't give it damn
bout black people. Donald Trump is systematically removing the Department
of Justice out of a number of discrimination lawsuits. So
if anybody's out there saying, oh, well, you know, I
don't think we gonna get hurt if Donald Trump win.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Hello.

Speaker 15 (31:02):
It's a level of ignorance that's dangerous Roland when we
see people with those talking points. First of all, I
just want to reiterate that a lot of these people
are being paid to say these talking points. And second
of all, even if they are not being paid, it's
a level of ignorance that's destructive to the black community.
When you see the targeting of the Civil Rights Department
of the DOJ, and you see the inversion what they
are doing now. They're taking up lawsuits to sue against

(31:26):
civil rights. They're using the language and the mechanism of
civil rights to attack Black people and institutions that had
or went after civil rights.

Speaker 22 (31:34):
Here's another another thing.

Speaker 15 (31:36):
I don't know if you're jumping in there, but another
aspect of this that's really frustrating is the level of
propaganda that we are having to sort through and sip through.
And this is a critical part in terms of the
funding of these infrastructures. If I could just say this
really quickly, when clip and the rest of your first
panel we're talking about the need for funding, I need everybody.
We need the Democratic Party, all these big donors, all

(31:59):
these billionaires who understand how important the black vote is.
It's time for them to put their money behind the
people who know the truth, who know how to get
through the propaganda to disseminate the truth, and know how
to do it with efficiency. And that's not putting money
into old white democratic consultants who are running those same
playbooks from nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Like you said, and the reality is, Mondelle, there are
a whole bunch of loud negroes men and women on
YouTube and social media whose whole focus is to sow
seeds of discontent, to attack folks like me, like being

(32:40):
like you, like Derek and others. And these folks they
throw the phrases out, cut the check, they throw the phrase,
they throw the phrases out you a shield, they throw, Oh,
your vote's not gonna matter. These are the same people
they do this. We know exactly who they are. And
I keep saying, you can't, you cannot listen to these

(33:02):
people because they do not care about Black America.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, I mean listen. Most of these people don't even
not only they not care about Black America, I.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Would argue that most of them ain't even participating in
the voting themselves, not regularly, because what they're telling people
is reparations or nothing, when in actuality, reparation itself is
a political action where you're going to need a coalition
to participate and help black people get quit across that.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Line, so they're even their main talking points.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Some of them that are talking about reparation don't even
understand how politics work.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
So this idea that we should be wasting our time
talking about these idiots, but.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
For combating the stillness that they're saying, I think we
should keep that to a minimum and talk about and
talk at our party and make them understand that we
cannot play baseball the way we've been playing. We cannot
prioritize white voters in Iowa at the expense of those
in Mississippi, the black voters.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
We cannot pretend that twenty thirty is not coming. We
must have a plan.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
We've seen the study from bringing it about how the
northeast and the west are gonna lose and the Midwest
are gonna lose congressional map and seats, and when you
lose those seats, you also lose the electoral votes, and
they're going to move to the south right all most
of the voters. Forty percent of Americans will be in
the South by twenty thirty. We cannot win without a
plan to engage Black people in a way that turns

(34:20):
us on to the Democratic Party and not leave us
on the couch because of stupid old tactics that work
for people that were baby boomers. And that's no shot
at the baby boomers, but they're no longer the largest
voting block. We have two three generations behind baby Boomers,
and two of those generations being Millennials and Zeers, are
both larger and also blacker than any generation before them.

(34:41):
And we can no longer ignore what these people are
saying about our failed tactics.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Well, the thing, though, is you're not going to reach
those folks unless the resources are being placed in the
appropriate places, right. And that's the thing that jumps out
at me, being that has to happen. And I'm telling
you right now, you got these white campaign strategists who
want to nickel and dime black people, who want to
put small amounts of money. They keep chasing that mythical

(35:10):
white suburban female voter or that white educated voter.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
But this is real simple.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
If you if Democrats do not right now invest massive
amounts of money in black people in Georgia and North Carolina.
To Mondale's point, when that two thousand and thirty census,
after two thousand and thirty, when that two thousand and
thirty census is done, and those numbers come out in
two thousand and thirty one, and then they start now

(35:38):
changing reapportionment, the numbers don't lie.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Blue states are projected.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
To lose anywhere from ten to twelve congressional seats. Those
that's the basis upon which electoral colleges are made, which
means that you're gonna have, you're gonna have you have
to win a North Carolina or Georgia. You gotta flip
one of those states, or you have to win out

(36:04):
West Nevada, Arizona in those western states. It's not an if,
it's a question of win.

Speaker 15 (36:14):
Absolutely, there should not be a single black institution that
is contributing to electoral power on behalf of I don't
want to say Democrats, but people who are not maga
left leaning.

Speaker 22 (36:28):
Center left.

Speaker 15 (36:29):
There should not be a single black organization that's hard
up for money. The Democratic Party, they know the numbers,
the funders, they know the donors, They know the numbers,
they know the importance of the black vote. And for
black people to have to be begging and asking for
money right now, we should be flush with money. Why
because we know how to turn out the vote. Why

(36:49):
because we know how to defunk the propaganda. Why because
we know how to get into the fight and do
the things that these white democratic consultants have not been
able to do.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
And they know this.

Speaker 15 (37:00):
So at a point, Roland, it comes back to me,
is I feel like they fear black power more than
they fear Maga?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Absolutely absolutely. And look it's just a reality of what's
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Speaker 2 (40:00):
Tuesday night, we'll learn the outcome of the most expensive
court race in US history in Wisconsin. Voters gonna be
going to the polls to elect their news, their state
Supreme Court justice. It has been a huge race, upwards
of one hundred million dollars being spent. Sarah Crawford is
the candidate running who's been endorsed by the Democrats. Is

(40:21):
a nonpartisan race, but in many ways it's also partisan.
Brad Shimmel is the former attorney general. That's the person
that Elon Musk has been putting all of his money behind, folks.
She offers a strong defense of abortion rights, also criticism
of Republican voter id laws. Shimmel he is campaigning alongside

(40:44):
Donald Trump and Charlie kirk as all you know that
as well.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Shimmel has been photographed with a large.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Inflatable image of the twice impeach criminally convicted fellow in
Chief Donald the Cohn Trump, and.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
So you know, right there he can go to hell.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
These state Supreme court races are hugely important, you know this, Mondel,
you're there in North Carolina. That was a point where
Democrats could have had a six to one majority of
North Carolina Supreme Court when sheary, When Sherry Beasley lost,
it was four to three. Then they lost the next
two races, non Republicans controlled a five to two majority.

(41:20):
They still are fighting the win from Riggs because they
know what's coming up. Anita Earls, black woman, comes up
for reelection in twenty twenty six, and three of those
Republican seats up for reelection in twenty twenty eight. The
state Supreme Court are just as important as the US
Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean listen.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
In some cases, and especially as it changed to Wisconsin,
it's even more important because we're going to see the
race of the White House will go through Wisconsin as
they're going to get ready to fight what voter rights
look like and who determined who can and can't vote,
because that's going to be a problem right now in
that state. And this is why must have spending so
much money, even if you don't know who he's running against,

(42:03):
because we just saw one of the ads from his back,
these packs back by Elon put out the wrong Susan.
They put out a professor from Harvard on the flyer
that they're running against. And that's just showing how uninvolved
this guy is with politics. Yet he's using his money
and influence to buy elections and people are allowing it.
The fact that judges are saying it's okay to give

(42:24):
out million dollars to voters.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
The vote should be something that you cannot buy.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
But Elon Musk using something he used in twenty twenty
four in Pennsylvania Playbook to win Donald Trump that election
or buy that election. Is planning for a judge. We
should be extremely nervous that the judicial is going the
way of candidates. And we should also know that no
one is spending that much money for a judicial race
not expecting something in return.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Absolutely, And look, he's sitting here trying to get people
to pay them one hundred bucks to sign a petition
Derek that says gets get rid of activist judges, but
he only thinks activist judges are Democrat not Republican.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
Roland.

Speaker 23 (43:06):
I mean, everything that he's doing up in Wisconsin is illegal.
We know that, right we as Democrats, we just got
to develop a new strategy on how we go about
making sure that we sound the alarm about our judicial candidates.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
We got sounding alarm about our state legislatures.

Speaker 23 (43:24):
We just got to come up with a new strategy
because I was very obvious that Elon Musk, the world
richest man, Uh, he really doesn't care about the candidate.
He's more focuses on the power and control and even
if he's going to do some illegal actions to do it,
because he already been told by that corrupt individual in

(43:49):
the Oval office, if you run run a foul, I'll
give you a pardon.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
So that's what their playbook is.

Speaker 23 (43:55):
We just got to meet them where they are and
fight tooth and nail to make sure she wins up
in Wisconsin because they're gonna keep repeating the same thing
over and over again that they did in Pensylvania.

Speaker 8 (44:07):
They're doing in Wisconsin and going they're gonna continue to
do it.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Ben Sarah Crawford.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
If she wins, that gives Democrats a solid four to
three majority on this court right now. If she loses,
it'll be three to three, and the swing vote is
someone who leans conservative, and.

Speaker 22 (44:26):
That's the critical balance there.

Speaker 15 (44:28):
This is why Elon Musk is spending the money that
he's spending there and exactly what Mondelle said. The election
is getting ready to go through there again in twenty
twenty six, twenty twenty eight particularly. But what's so interesting
to me here Roland is the audacity but also the
lack of accountability because the current Supreme Court refused to
hear the lawsuit that was brought by the Attorney General

(44:50):
against Elon Musk or this for the money that he
is spending, and so if there's not going to be
anyone who's going to hold Elon Musk or all of
us accountable for that matter.

Speaker 22 (45:00):
Then it's a free for all.

Speaker 15 (45:01):
And I have to ask the billionaires on the left,
those who are progressive, those who are Democrats, step up,
test the theory.

Speaker 22 (45:08):
See if you can get away with the same thing,
do it at the same time.

Speaker 15 (45:11):
Because if it's a free for all, there's absolutely no
reason for us to go into this fight with one
arm behind our back.

Speaker 22 (45:16):
As matter of fact, two arms behind our back.

Speaker 15 (45:18):
When he dropped twenty million in just the last few
days in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, you know the Republicans always yelling George Soros, George Soros,
and George Soros, All right, let's see what y'all got.

Speaker 21 (45:30):
I say, do the same.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
But then like, oh now, y'all want to complain, and
so you know, they keep accusing you of those things. Well,
let's go ahead and play hardball. That's hard for a
lot of people to really want to be able to do.
And so I just want people to understand that all
of this is critically important. Elections matter. Who has power matters,

(45:54):
and we're seeing it happen right now in Washington, DC
every day. Coming up next, we're going to talk with
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(46:15):
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Speaker 2 (47:37):
Well, Amber Ruffin is not going to be performing at
this year's White House Correspondence Dinner on April twenty six.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
She was fired on Saturday. Why well, because the.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Thugs and the Donald Trump administration took exception to her
being invited. Yeah, I'm I'm very serious, y'all. Uh, they
didn't lie that. She said this on the Daily Beast podcast.

Speaker 21 (48:05):
I'm not interested in being like, ha, you're here, Look,
stupid head, you're burned.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
I care like you're kind of a bunch of murderers.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Saw.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
They were like you to be you know, equal and
make sure that the that you give it to both sides.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
I was like, there's no way I'm going to be
freaking doing that, dude, under no circumstances.

Speaker 22 (48:32):
That false equivalency that the media does.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
They want that.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
It feels great, It makes them feel human beings, but
they sun't get to feel that way because they're not.

Speaker 26 (48:41):
Some people are more culpable than others, That's true.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
Man.

Speaker 26 (48:45):
They get more jokes made about them, and the jokes
for me are because they're doing things that are worse
in a lot of ways. That's how that ghost. It
can't be even yeah, actually can't.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
You could do it without then becoming a part of
what's wrong?

Speaker 21 (49:04):
Yeah, you know, so yeah, talk in five minutes.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
We have to stick together. Who knows, I'll feel.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
The Trump whimps objected to those comments, and they then
put pressure on the White House Correspondent Association to not
invite Amber Ruffin. Eugene Daniels, the president of the White
House correspond Association, said, the WAHCA board has unanimously decided
we're no longer featuring a comedic performance this year. At

(49:36):
this consequential moment for journalism, I want to ensure the
focus is not on the politics of division, but entirely
on awarding our colleagues for their standing work and providing
scholarship in mentorship to the next generation of journalists.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Let let me be as clear as possible.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
That is an absolutely, positively bullshit statement. It is total
capitulation the White House Corresponds Association. Y'all got pumped, y'all
got bullied, y'all got embarrassed, now y'all got deboed. All

(50:28):
this man does is slapped y'all around like a rag doll.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
And y'all me God, don't do it again.

Speaker 13 (50:39):
Don't do it again.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
They completely took over the folks who travel with the
president and the press pool.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Now they're talking about changing the seating order and putting
legacy media in the back of the room, and they're
gonna put nothing but right wing folks up front.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
And you know what y'all do, y'all send letters, y'all wear.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Cute little pins. We stand with this Associated Press. They
throw the AP out because they won't say Gulf of America,
and y'all.

Speaker 21 (51:19):
You punk out.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
That's what you do.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
See the right tone would have said, y'all can go
to hell. We are reaffirming that Amber Ruffin is going
to be the comedian because see, these folks actually don't
believe in the First Amendment.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Elon Musk tops it, but.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
He'll block anybody left and right. In fact, the White
House is even thinking about having their own dinner that
night at the White House with a whole bunch of
conservative media people. And y'all release that weak ass statement.

(52:07):
And you know what Donald Trump is sitting here doing,
laughing at you, Eugene. He's laughing at you. To the
White House Corresponds Association Board, He's laughing at you, and
he's saying, what can I do next to neoter these people?

(52:27):
What can I do next to chop off their dignity?
What can I do next where I can just belittle them?
And y'all gonna sit here and take it every single time.
You're gonna take it over and over and over. This

(52:52):
is what happens when you allow a bully to keep
bullying you. It's as simple as that, Ben.

Speaker 22 (53:03):
Absolutely Roland. It amazes me at how cowardly these.

Speaker 15 (53:10):
Institutions and these leaders of these institutions are. When we're
faced with fascism, you don't back down. You don't capitulate,
you don't cowtow, you don't. And here's the funny thing
about it. Donald Trump is nothing more than smoking mirrors.
He is himself a coward. I don't know if people
have noticed, but when people push back on him on

(53:31):
the international stage, he backs down. He talks a good game.
That's only because he's bullying our allies. He's afraid of
our enemies. He bullies our allies and he takes cheap shots.
So why would anyone with institutional power, matter of fact,
why would anyone be afraid of Donald Trump?

Speaker 22 (53:50):
And what they are doing. What was Donald Trump going
to do to the White.

Speaker 15 (53:53):
House Correspondence Committee, What was he going to do to
punish them violate their First Amendment rights, then stand up
and do something about it. But instead we're seeing all
over the country people just lay down and prostrate themselves
before Donald Trump.

Speaker 22 (54:07):
When he is a coward himself. So what does that
make the rest of you?

Speaker 23 (54:13):
Derek Sometimes Rowland, you got to hit a bully in
the mouth. And that's what Amber would have done at
that White House Correspondence We know she would have probably said,
this is the most inept administration. She probably would have said,
this the most unqualified, unfit administration. Where's the lie? This

(54:36):
is the same administration, Roland that would have that allowed
for secret, top secret information right as a as a
former retired military officer, allowed for it to be done
over signaled you constantly.

Speaker 8 (54:54):
She have enough comedic material to last for.

Speaker 23 (54:59):
Years, and all she was going to do in the
amount of time that she would have had, she was
just gonna lay it out and said, this is the
administration that's cutting job, just the administration that is revealing
their true selves and exposing our national security. This is
the this is the administration that's robbing the American people

(55:21):
right in front of us. That allows for someone that's
not qualified, that's not appointed or elected to run his cabinet.
She probably would have made some jokes about Elon Musz.
And so you got to hit a bully in the mouth.
We're seeing, as my dear brother just said, we're watching

(55:42):
big law for firms Roland. They're saying, yeah, we'll just
give you one hundred million dollars pro bono. Why and
so we just got to hit him in the mouth.
This doesn't require executive orders, this doesn't require legislation.

Speaker 8 (55:56):
We got to again meet them where they are. When
he goes low, we got to go lower. And Nick Campbell.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Mondel Yeah, I mean listen, I think Derek is only something.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
And when you think about this idea that Donald Trump
and his cronies are about to get one hundred million
dollars with a free legal aid, when we have when
we have people defenders all over this public defenders overwork,
over overworked, and they can't get any help. It's absolutely
ghastly only so people can try and save face. So
we see it with we see it with law firms,

(56:28):
we see it with we see it with in college institutions,
and now we're sitting with the media and for them
to put out a statement talking about the important time
it is right now for journalism and then back down.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
In that same state is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
The idea that you know, Amber had the gall to
tell the truth that I will not do both sideism
because we said enough of that. Shenanigan's owned the media,
and it's also what normalized Donald Trump's behavior.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Him and his cronies get to get away with so much.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Elon Musk and other billionaires get to talk about it's
okay for people on Social Security to miss a couple
of paychecks, billionaires talking about some of the most vulnerable
people in this country should be able to miss a
couple of checks, and that is made okay by a
media that's.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Willing n cal tails to Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
So what we saw from the White House Correspondence Association was,
like you said, a hot basket of bullshit. And for me,
it is absolutely dastardly that Amber is getting canceled by
someone the right who say they don't.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Support cancer culture.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
So I'm so confused at what they mean by cancel
culture when they're all they're doing is trying to cancel Harvard,
trying to cancel HBCUs, trying to cancel civil rights, trying
to cancel the Justice Department, canceling department education. They are
the canceling party.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, and then listen, he's going to continue what he's doing.
We're not even six months in. The law firms are bending,
the media companies are bending, the entire Republican Party is bending.
Somebody has to have the guts to stand up to
this bully. They're so pissed off with the courts, Derek,

(58:07):
that they're attacking.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Them left and right.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Because you have judges who dare to actually speak and
execute the law, and the.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
Few that are standing up rolling he's threatening them.

Speaker 23 (58:23):
He's allowing those proud boys and others to intimidate them.
I mean they are getting death threats. I mean we
have right here in Forton County and Georgia. You know,
my dear sister, she said, I am not giving up
going after this individual. And so you got individuals on

(58:44):
the other side of the aisle said, well, we're going
to create some legislation to go after her, right and
so we or we're fighting back at the state level.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
We got to fight back at the federal level.

Speaker 23 (58:53):
And then here's the other point of rolling that we
got to really stress that the American public right now
are mobilizing on April fifth, and they're going to have
a massive protest across these United States to demonstrate that
the fourth largest branch of government, which is the people,

(59:15):
standing up. And so we got to bring more voice
to that, and programs such as yours platform, such as
yours allowing us to get that word out because they're
about to see the largest mobilization ever. And when the
people rise up rolling, it's the same thing that took
place in the sixties, is the same place that took

(59:35):
place in the eighties and is about to take place again.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
You do not give an inch to a bully, ben
You do not. And I don't know what these law
firms think if they think, oh, he's going to stop.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
No, the man has no morals. Let me be very clear.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Donald Trump has no morals, no values, no principles, no ethics,
no integrity, no honor.

Speaker 22 (01:00:04):
No decency, and no backbone and no spine. Donald Trump
is a coward.

Speaker 15 (01:00:12):
He has a lot of people around him who talk
with a lot of bravado but they can't stand criticism.
They are easily humiliated because they are really easily to humiliate.

Speaker 22 (01:00:23):
They have nothing.

Speaker 15 (01:00:24):
They have no intellectual capacity that's worth discussing. They don't
have any integrity. They don't have the ability to lead
this country. Like I said before, he's turning this nation
into a shit whole nation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
He is a slum lord president, and.

Speaker 22 (01:00:39):
We need to treat him like that. You don't have
to respect anyone who doesn't respect us.

Speaker 15 (01:00:43):
He doesn't respect the Constitution, So we have no responsibility
to respect Donald Trump ever. And the people need to
speak with a little bit of depth in their voice.
Put some bass in your voice when you're talking about
Donald Trump, make him intimidated, make him have to come
after us, because if we wait, if we give Donald
Trump an inch, then they will begin to codify and

(01:01:05):
make laws that take away the rights that these law
firms are giving up, that the media is just voluntarily
giving up right now. Oh but if you give them
two more years, three more years, four more years, they
are going.

Speaker 22 (01:01:17):
To solidify with the force of law fascism.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
So what do we do.

Speaker 22 (01:01:21):
We knuckle up and we fight right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Now, Monelle, Yeah, I mean, listen, Ben is not wrong
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
And Roland, you and Ben both notice because you guys
are in my close circle, and Derek might.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Know it as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I'm a mayor who tore down a Confederate monument and
have for two years been getting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Death threats more than two years now and have not
been able to sleep in my bed because of these people.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
And you hear Donald Trump saying that the Black Museum,
the Smithsonian, our Smithsonian is part of the woke culture,
and some of the exhibits need to come down, and
we need to return to Confederate monuments.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
So this idea that he's trying to is actually already
a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
He is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Donald Trump is already inacting everything to a resegregate America
in a way that makes sure that ensures that white
people will hold power even as they doing the population
size part of the electric And I think we need
to be very scared about that because when you see
these institutions not willing to stand up, when you see
the Republican Party, people like Mike Johnson, who's number three

(01:02:24):
in the line of secession, say we need to possibly
get rid of the federal judiciary.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
So that Trump can have his way. We need to
be very alarm when we hear.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Donald Trump given national interviews talking in great detail, saying
out loud that I'm not joking about a third term,
and there are ways to do it, and you hear
his people already flowing ideas and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Ways they can do this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
We better get ready because you people can pretend that
you are patriots and you love the founding Father, but
it might. I remind you it was George Washington who
wrote a scathing letter to someone suggests that he become
a monarch, and Donald Trump, on the other hand, streams
Long Live the King talking about himself.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
So I'd be damn if this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Is patriotism, and if it is, it's a sick white
version of it that does not exist in the history
of America, at least the America were people that look
like us fought like hell to get us closer to equity.

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Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
How many times have I told you Ron DeSantis is
the devil? In Florida, lawmakers are considering a significant change
to the state's child labor law. They want to relax
the laws to allow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
People, yes, seriously, teenagers fourteen years old to work overnights.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
These proposed chaines are a direct result of the state's
looming shortage of migrant workers due to Republicans and immigration
crack down. A state Senate panel has narrowly advanced the
proposal to eliminate regulations of sixteen and seventeen year olds
from working before six thirty am or after eleven pm

(01:07:58):
on school day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
This proposal would also would also allow I mean, this
is just I mean, it's beyond insane. It's beyond insane.
Republicans are really trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Do here, y'all, and so, just so y'all know, the
proposal would also allow these teams to work more than
eight hours on school days and more than thirty hours
per week while in school. Additionally, it would remove the
requirement for teams to receive at least three minute meal
break after working an eight hour shift. Proposal also will
lift some restrictions on employing fourteen to fifteen year olds
who were either homeschool or enrolled in virtual schools. And

(01:08:31):
a separate measure advancing in the state House, a proposal
would allow teens employed as in terms of trainees to
be paid below the state's minimum wage of thirteen dollars
an hour. Would have had to increase the fifteen dollars
an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
What ben, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
So, oh, sure, let's just go ahead and just work
them to death their teens. All the hell with that
school stuff. Put them out there in the fields and
go have them pick those crops.

Speaker 15 (01:09:00):
It's fascinating because this is a dilemma that was the
creation of Donald Trump and MAGA, right, and so the
solution to the problem that they created is child labor.
And the key part to me is what you said
at the very end, which is they would be allowed
to pay them less than the minimum wage. At the
end of the day, this has always been about capital
versus labor. It's always been about getting the cheapest labor

(01:09:21):
that they can And how do you get cheap labor
when you have shipped out all of your cheap labor.
I mean they were already breaking the system, cheating the system,
and being being just downright wrong in terms of how
little they were paying migrant workers. So I don't want
to fan the flames of supporting migrant workers getting paid less.

Speaker 22 (01:09:41):
But when you get rid of migrant workers, who are.

Speaker 15 (01:09:44):
You going to get to work for cheap children, children
who you can cheat, children you don't have to pay
them the kind of money they need to pay. Children
who won't speak up, children who won't unionize, children who
won't fight back. All they would do is come to
work and make as little as McDonald's wants to pay them,
or whoever wants to pay them. And this is exactly
what we saw in Arkansas with Sarah Huckabee Sanders. We

(01:10:05):
see this as something that Republicans generally want to do anyway,
and it just is exacerbated by the fact that Donald
Trump has now begin to deport all of our migrant
working class.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Boy these for big cat con fields.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
They actually think it's gonna be a bunch of fourteen
fifteen year old white kids out there working in the fields.

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
No, that's not their playing rolling.

Speaker 23 (01:10:32):
They want our children, our babies, our young teenagers to
be out there in the field. This is part of
their project twenty twenty five autocracy playbook. And I use
the word autocracy because if you think about autocracy, the
very first thing you need to do is do away
with the education system, and then make sure you allocate

(01:10:54):
and take everybody's money.

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
And then you want to look at the labor as
been just described.

Speaker 23 (01:11:04):
And so when you think about this whole deregulations as
you continue want to deport and detain twenty two million migrants,
send them to other countries, Ecuador and all the El
Salvador and Venezuela. Right, this is part of their playbook.
They want to go back to whiteness. This is where

(01:11:26):
we were four hundred years ago. And then when you
think about autocracy, when you think about power and control,
you got to make sure that hey, we're not talking
about our children. They're talking about black and brown children
building and filling these crops and doing those because they're

(01:11:48):
going to make sure their children are okay. And so
in the end, we got to look at the broader
picture and the broader picture is this that we built
this country. They want to whitewash that kind of in
They want to sanitize that kind of information because they
know if that information doesn't exist, the history will repeat itself.

(01:12:10):
Then we'll have to look fifty one hundred years from
now and see right where we were with our ancestors.

Speaker 8 (01:12:16):
And so this part of their playbook.

Speaker 23 (01:12:19):
But they're going to cause this and cloak this under
deregulations rolling. But the bigger picture is power and control
and enslavement of black and brown people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Elections as consequences. This is what happens when people sit
at home Mondelle.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I mean, listen, we.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Can't even pretend that this is not a direct result
not just of this election, but the re election of
Roun the Santas. That bastard should have been thrown out
on his ass a long time ago, if you ask me,
should have number won. But what we saw was that
again I go back to my party. I criticized my party.
Nobody in Florida, None of the big donors in Florida
gave money to Andrew Gillum during the primary.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
They supported every candidate except for him, even though he.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Was the most qualified and most and also the most
progressive candidate running. Then we saw in the general election
Andrew Gillen being naive if you ask me, turn his
entire field apparatus over to the state Party and they
instead of targeting black and brown voters that warn him.
The primary went back to the traditional campaign and we
saw run the Santa has become the monster, the elected

(01:13:20):
monster that he is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Here's what I would say about what we're seeing. I
don't think Being or Derek are wrong at all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
This is absolutely about the re enslaving and deregulation of
poor and specifically black and brown people. We know that
there are thirty one percent of Florida people that are
black and brown.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
So they're counting on Haitian immigrants.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
They're counting on the Jamaicans and also the Puerto Ricans
and the other black.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
And brown people in that state to be in those fields.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
But what they forget is there's a large population of
Florida population that is white and poor, and they're going
to be out there in those fields too. The problem
is white and poor has never been enough to stop
white people for being white racists. It has always been
the poor white people willing to go along with the
rich elite, to continue white supremacy in this country.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
It is the history of this country.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
It is not by mistake that every Mega or all
of MAGA are sympathetic to the Confederate It is not
by mistake that every time or damn near every time
you see a Trump MAGA flag, you see a Confederate
flag somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Close to it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
So this idea, this idea that you can separate MAGA
from being anything other than making America great. A gain
to them is making America where white people are the
only one with protections and rights that we are obligated
to look forward to. So I think beyond the psychological
and emotional trauma that we know comes with children working
and being able to not fully develop in the stresses

(01:14:41):
that come along with that, we also know that when
you work as a young person full time jobs, it
interrupts your education damn near ensuring that you will have
a life of poverty.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
And that's what they're going for. This is not the latent,
this is absolutely what they're intending.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
So I think people should pay attention of Donald Trump,
this super rich man who thinks you need a.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Driver's license to go to the grocery store who.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Didn't even know what a break cutal was in a car,
This super rich man who's probably never driven himself around
thinking he's on your side when he continues to pass
laws that are not just going to hurt black and
brown people, it's going to hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
All of oases.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Indeed, indeed, folks speaking of monsters. The idiots in administration
forced out doctor Peter Martz, the Food and Drug Administration's
top vaccine regulator. He submitted his resignation because they said, Hey,
if you don't resign, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Going to fire you. That's right, We're going to fire you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
In his resignation letter to acting FDA Commissioner Sarah Brenner,
he stated that undermining vaccine confidence is irresponsible, that your
men of the public health and a clear danger to
our nation's health and safety and security. Marx let the
FDA Center for Biological Evaluation in Research since twenty sixteen.
This division is responsible for ensuring the safety and effectiveness

(01:16:00):
of various medical products, including vaccines. He lived in the
nation through COVID nineteen pandemic, particularly and authorizing the first
vaccine in late twenty twenty. Marks also noted that he
had been willing to work with anti vaccine advocate Robert
of Kenney Junior to address vaccine safety and transparency concerns,
but he also realized that he's dealing with the individual

(01:16:22):
who really is all about anti vaccines now with the
resignation of the top vaccine scientists, at least five states
of active measles outbreaks. Texas has the largest with forger cases.
The US Center for Disease Control of Prevention has said
that the count country has had more MEASO cases this
year than any other. In twenty twenty four outbreaks in
New Mexico, Kansas, Oklahoma, Ohio, you name it. The new

(01:16:44):
outbrates confirmed helped experts fear that the buyers would take
hold in other US states. Also, the Natural Institutes of
Health has cut at least one hundred and forty five
grants totaling nearly forty and fifty million dollars in federal
funding aim at advancing HIV care. Many of the terminated
studies improved the actions and medications like PEP.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Communities with high infection rates.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Particularly young trans men and black folks, especially black men.
Yeah in our age, then designers, they're struggling to find
ways to continue the important work. This is what happens
again when you led idiots in charge of America, and
when you talk about vaccine, you talk about HIV, when

(01:17:26):
you talk about measles outbreaks, Derek, this is the role
the federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
You know what these so called pro.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Lifers, they don't give a damn if people die, especially
if they're black and brown.

Speaker 23 (01:17:39):
Roland, let me lean in with my full chest. This
is not like COVID. This is self inflicted. This is
self inflicted. The impact of federal jobs, these cuts that
do doge Elon Musk and Trump were making on our
public safety and our public health is indeed a serious concern.

(01:18:02):
I mean when you think about you know, from a
government standpoint, when you start to reduce and eliminate positions
and you don't even know what the roles and responsibilities are, right,
it's not oops are bad, it's a mistake. This is
very critical and everyone should be concerned, white, black, old, young, urban,

(01:18:22):
suburban and rule should be concerned when you're thinking about
critical services that NIH and CDC provide, the surveillance around
the world to make sure it doesn't end up on
our shore. I mean right here, Hartsville Jackson Airport rolling.
We get one hundred and twenty million individuals come through

(01:18:43):
this airport, one hundred and twenty million annually, and so
it's really easy for these outbreaks to spread. But not
just because other countries we're we're watching as Robert Kennedy
Junior just announced four days five days ago, now ten
thousand jobs gonna be cut. And the reporter asked, well,

(01:19:07):
what organizations, how and why, and he just said, well,
we don't know, but we're learning. Right here in Georgia,
is seven hundred of them gonna be CDC right here rolling.
We're learning nih and so these two critical I'm just
gonna mention these two. Their primary responsibility is the reduction

(01:19:28):
of disease prevention programs, surveillance research. These are epidemiologists, and
so I'm not surprised based on the point that you
just raised about the measles upbreak in the surge of
measles in five states. This is self inflicted. This should
be falling on the footsteps of Donald Trump. People are

(01:19:49):
dying already rolling, and so we should have a ticker,
just like we did in COVID, how many people are
dying in the last ten weeks because of these the
this crazy job cuts that Elon Musk and Donald Trump
are doing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Mondel listen, man, this when you hear about stupid stuff
like this is it is gastantly And I'm gonna tell
you why, because so many poor white people are gonna
die and suffer for this this idea.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
You see rolland I don't let it tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Four hundred cases of measles in twenty twenty five in Texas,
four hundred cases in Texas am all five three new
counties that didn't work that were on the list last week.
Now somebody in Mexico affected from measles by somebody from America.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
They're playing at.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
The most dangerous time with the most dangerous that these
people forget how transferable the measles, how infectious the measles is,
and it will ravage when people are reached, when it
reached these vaccination.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Communities or these non vaccinated.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Communities, which are usually these rural white people who don't
believe that vaccines work, These people who take and believe
exactly what but Kennedy believes. Kennedy is absolutely responsible for
starts Walk resigning. He even said that he was trying
to work with Kennedy and show him the truth of
all of the vaccinine vaccine history by bringing in public

(01:21:15):
hearings and also National Academy of Science, Engineering, and Medicine.
But that ain't what he wanted. What Kennedy wanted was
someone to be subservent to his ideas of this misinformation
and lies. And if you question it, then you are
not what they need right now. So in this letter
you heard him say it is clear that truth and
transparency is not what they're looking for. He's basically what

(01:21:38):
they're saying is everybody in Donald Trump's administration at the
secretary level is acting like Donald Trump. We saw it
in his signal chat, we see it in this resignation,
and we see it in every damn move to eliminate
the federal departments.

Speaker 15 (01:21:52):
Ben, you know, I have a comrade, a trans comrade,
who came up with a phrase for this.

Speaker 22 (01:22:00):
It's the age of pestilence.

Speaker 15 (01:22:02):
It is an age of pestilence that Donald Trump and
Robert Kennedy Jr. Are trying to institute. Why because when
the population is too sick, they can't protest, they can't rebel,
they can't even make it to the poles. When they're
so sick they can't stand up and fight for themselves,
and the streets are on their jobs and so part

(01:22:23):
of their plan. If you hold what we're talking about,
and you hold it in juxtaposition with everything else we're
talking about tonight, you will see that all of this
is very intentional, and I think people need to be
very sober about this. They intend on killing as many
people as they can kill without ever lifting a bullet,
lifting a gun, without ever shooting at firing a shot.
And if they can do it through getting rid of vaccines,

(01:22:45):
they would do it. If they can do it through
child labor, they will do it. If they can do
it by overturning FDA regulations, poisoning our water, making our
air even worse than it already is, if they can
do it that way, they will do it. Why Because
they don't need us anymore. They have figured out how
they can generate all the wealth that they would ever
want without us direct subsidies from the United States government

(01:23:07):
to corporations like SpaceX and to Elon Musk and to
Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of the oligarchy.

Speaker 22 (01:23:12):
They don't need human bodies anymore.

Speaker 15 (01:23:15):
In fact, they see us as an impediment to their power,
and so they are instituting, as my friend Andrea said,
they are instituting an age of pestilence, and we need
to govern ourselves accordingly.

Speaker 22 (01:23:25):
We need to do something about it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
All true, because they do not care about black and
brown people. All right, folks, going to break. We come
back talk with rapper Tef Poe about a huge Merrily
election in Saint Louis next Tuesday, April eighth. Also, all
these people got something to say about Marvin Sap. How
many y'all even go to church? Yeah, I got a

(01:23:49):
few things to say as well. You're watching Roland Martin
Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network.

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Speaker 20 (01:24:21):
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Speaker 19 (01:24:30):
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Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
Hello, we're the Credit Fixes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
I'm doctor Arren Ferguson, and you're tuning in to roland.

Speaker 13 (01:24:53):
Mark unfilter.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
On Tuesday, April eighth, Saint Louis voters will go to
the polls to vote for mayor. Now, there are other
state there are other statewide elections, but we're looking at
the Saint Louis mayor older race. Tshar Jones is the
incumbent serve completing her first four year term. Older woman
in Kara Spencer is challenging her and the County Democratic Party.

(01:25:33):
They're jumping behind the Kara Spencer. Obviously, people in Saint
Louis are saying, oh, this is clearly a black and
white thing. Joining us right now is a rapper activists.
Tef Poee, glad to have you on the show. You
have been posting a number of comments on social media
talking about this race, trying to get people to understand

(01:25:56):
what is going on in the city. You've got for
you know, I got some folks who are not happy
with the election of to Charwe Jones, saying that she
didn't do certain things they wanted her to do. You had,
of course, the issue dealing with of course, you know

(01:26:17):
Kim Gardner, the Saint Louis City prosecutors. But just to
speak to how you see this race taking place in
eight days.

Speaker 28 (01:26:28):
Well, what's going on right now is only eighteen percent
of the city has voted. We had a primary that
was pretty controversial. If you know anything about the black
vote in Missouri, they don't want us to vote period,
Kansas City, Saint Louis, Black people. When y'all vote, we win.

(01:26:48):
And I'm talking specifically about local elections, municipal elections. This
is where the real power lies in this environment. And
this election coming up on April eight with Kara Spencer
versus to shar Jones is really what I'm calling the
Sex and the City candidate Kara Spencer versus to shar Jones,

(01:27:09):
who hasn't had a flawless record by any means. I've
criticized her, but the truth is, only one of these
individuals looks like your mother. Only one of these individuals
it's most likely to call the police on you if
you're trying to enter your apartment late night.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Only one of these.

Speaker 28 (01:27:26):
Individuals is what I would classify as a European Karen.
The other one is the first black woman mayor that
we've had in the history of the city, and there
have been some challenges in many ways as she's tried
to proxy herself as a more progressive candidate and also
a candidate that is trying to appease to the entire city.

(01:27:47):
So as a more progressive body. Sure, we've had a
lot of back and forth with her, but I'm clear
that we don't want to vote for more white power.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Now, you said you've had a primary, so explain that.
Because the what's April eighth.

Speaker 28 (01:28:03):
April aph is our actual general election, same as we
kind of have a runoff, and I don't know the
exact historical specifics about how that was determined or set up,
but I do know that normally who wins the runoff,
who wins the primary also successfully takes the mayoral cabinet.

(01:28:27):
We're hoping for a chance to defy history here, to
push back on the red line and then actually get
folks out to vote. Karen Spencer can't say that she's
won if the votes haven't been casted, cast it. You
have just manipulated the system, and that is propaganda.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
This of course when you look at lectures all about money,
and there's a lot of money going behind Karen Spencer.
But I keep saying, you may be a real rich person,
but you're look your vote one time.

Speaker 28 (01:28:56):
Yeah, And what we got to realize organized people and
organized money produce power. And in these cases where we're
going against these white folks who want to stand adjacent
to the movement for Black lives and adjacent to the
Black Lives Matter movement, they want to march with you
when it's sexy. They want to chant George Floyd's name
when it's plastered all over Netflix. But when we get

(01:29:18):
into the real deal, brass politics of the matter, what
are your actual political positions? How do you feel about
the brothers and the sisters in their jails? Saint Louis
is at a crossworld. We're challenging both to shar Jones
and Kara Spencer to answer those questions. But specifically, I
believe Kara Spencer has manipulated the system. And here we

(01:29:39):
are now fighting a person that is leaning into corporate interests,
claiming to be a progressive, but I've seen Donald Trump
signs in the same front yards as her.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
Science.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Now, you also are dealing with, obviously the money issue here,
but without a doubt, races there, and you've a legislature
that's trying to do the same. Louis what they've already
done to Kansas City take over the police.

Speaker 28 (01:30:06):
Department, correct, and it's going active right now. This should
be a red alert to young black men. Often black
men say, where do we fit into the conversation? Where
are the policies that are going to serve us? What
are the positions that are going to serve us? This
one right here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Should absolutely be a red alert.

Speaker 28 (01:30:27):
What's going on right now is that they are realizing
that it's been ten years since Ferguson, It's been ten
years since the death of Mike Brown, and we are
a knee deep in a power struggle in Missouri and
historical power struggle, and it comes down to corporations deciding
that people are not important. And we can hope and

(01:30:50):
pray that if to shar Jones does successfully get another term,
we want to hold her to the fire too, on
showing the people that she actually respects the young house,
she actually knows what's going on in those jails, with
the depths and the people who are dying in the
city jail every month. By no means it's just a
free fraud that we're letting the mayor off the hook.

(01:31:10):
But we do believe that the city is being manipulated
for the greater good of a white progressive agenda, and
Miss Spencer is leading to Charge on that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Questions from my pan on Mondale.

Speaker 28 (01:31:23):
Your first, I can't hear you, Mondelle, that's one of.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
My Mindeale, your first, Mondell is your YEA? Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Be clear. Let me be clear. I'm not talking to
a stranger when I'm talking to Tip Tefan but also
my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Even though you know tefans uh, you might not know it,
but Tef is one of the architects. When I say you,
I'm talking about the audience that is one of the
architects of what happened in Saint Louis. So while you
don't see his name in billboards, it don't mean he
ever left Saint Louis in fighting.

Speaker 29 (01:31:55):
Listen, man, I also need to say the same thing
about Charge Jones, Me and Tara Jones to sit as
part and members of the African American Mayor's Association. And
I know when I started a housing program to get
low income housing in parts of Saint Louis, she was
the first person to call me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
She said, there are black neighborhoods. This was years ago
when I started a program. There are black neighborhoods in
Saint Louis that have not had a new mortgage in
fifty plus years. And she was trying to rey that.
I know she started, you know, a brighter future program
for Saint Louis. I know she's started to turn down workhouse.
And I think people like you said, when you have
someone that you agree with all the time, it's easy

(01:32:33):
for you to be out there chanting and supporting them.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
So my thing is, how do you reach these brothers?
And I'll let you know. I'm gonna be in your
city sometime this week with the Black men vote problem. Man,
let's please, let's please link.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Yeah, but how are we gonna get these brothers to
know that while she is not perfect, we're not looking
for perfection.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
We're looking for someone that we can fight with.

Speaker 28 (01:32:53):
Well tomorrow night, I might as well said on Roland Martin.
If I'm gonna say it anyway, we are having a
really big coalition meeting of black men and different organizations
with the mayor. We are being honored with her presence.
She cleared her schedule just to be there and to
address a vast myriad of men from the community. All
of us don't agree on everything, we're not in the

(01:33:14):
same organization, and we're not being paid to be there.
So tomorrow night, I know, because I'm the one that
organized it, we have close to eighty black men from
all over the city coming together to hear what the
mayor has to say, it has to say and also hopefully,
by the end of this conversation find a place within
her positions for us as a community. And we also

(01:33:35):
want to highlight what the enemy is doing. I think
black men have grown to respect power, especially younger black men.
Younger men want to see motion, They want to see action.
They don't want to see any more political theater. If
you don't believe in it, don't say it, and you'll
be fine. I think that's where we are in this
generation of people. Even when you listen to hip hop music,
a lot of the rappers young Thug You got hisself

(01:33:57):
in that situation because he said, if I'm not living,
I can't rap about it. That's where we are now
with black politics for black men. If you're not living it,
don't come spilling it on our doorstep. Because people need results,
people need action, people need motion, people need collectivity. And
I'm crushing the myth that we as brothers don't want
to see it, that we as brothers don't desire it,

(01:34:18):
that black men are a non sophisticated political base.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
All of that is out the door.

Speaker 28 (01:34:22):
The problem is, and I'm gonna say this on camera,
I need the local women in the Democratic Party, the
local black women. Y'all have already talked yourselves into a
hyper boli concerning certain constituents, certain demographics of people who
already support you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
I need you to do the leg work that is
required of all of us if we're.

Speaker 28 (01:34:43):
Going to be public, people of any capacity to reach
across the aisle and begin to recognize people that are
living in the proletariat class. Because the policies that you
are standing on, the initiatives and the legislation that you
were pushing out there, they're going to affect that class
of people first. But it does not matter if that
class of people does not even recognize you as an

(01:35:04):
agent of change if they don't recognize you as a
true representative up theres.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Yes you got the job, Yes you got the votes.

Speaker 28 (01:35:11):
Now the second part of this is you showing us
that you have the actual sophistication to connect the people
and bring the right relationships to the table in order
for you to be successful at a job that nobody
put a gun to your head and say it do.

Speaker 22 (01:35:26):
Indeed, thank you, brother, Derek, brother.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
I just want to tell you. I salute you for
using your platform, leveraging your platform.

Speaker 23 (01:35:36):
But my question is this, you only have eight days
nine days now, and to educate those that this is
the general election. Right, A lot of folks think that
general elections only happen in November.

Speaker 8 (01:35:50):
We're talking about April eighth.

Speaker 23 (01:35:52):
So what are we doing to educate folks that this
is not a primary, There is not a runoff, This
is the general election. Whoever wins April eighth will be
your chief executive of that city.

Speaker 28 (01:36:03):
What are we doing to educated well as organizers and activists,
we ain't new to this, we true to it. So
we had done massive efforts going on city wide. Kayler Reid,
who leads Action STL so much stuff is going on
behind the scenes through her organizing mechanisms that I can't
even talk about on camera. And the thing is, when

(01:36:27):
you come to Saint Louis, there's a few things we
know how to do. We know how to organize, we
know how to do direct action, and we know how
to build collective momentum.

Speaker 8 (01:36:35):
Now here's where we are with this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Uh.

Speaker 28 (01:36:37):
If I'm being real, uh, we are down by thirty
and we in the clock is ticking. The game is
almost over. We have to realize that no matter the
outcome of this election. Yeah, we're gonna push folks to vote,
We're gonna get in them streets. We're gonna raise as
much hell as we could raise. But even after the fact,
I want kar Spencer to know that if she do win,

(01:36:58):
it ain't over. You know what I'm saying. We ain't
going home to cook our boots. You and Saint Louis,
big baby prepared, strap up, boot up this politics. We
go for the long haul, not the short game.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
Anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
It's a movement, not a moment.

Speaker 22 (01:37:12):
Ben brother, God bless you. I have enjoyed every word
that has come out of your mouth.

Speaker 15 (01:37:18):
But Deell, we have to tell us more about.

Speaker 22 (01:37:19):
This brother, get him over on click baby.

Speaker 15 (01:37:21):
Because you you have a class analysis and a liberation theology.

Speaker 22 (01:37:27):
I can hear it coming through your through every word
that you're speaking.

Speaker 15 (01:37:30):
My question to you is the arc of time that
you have been in Saint Louis since Michael Brown and
all that happened in Ferguson, and you mentioned this historic
power struggle. Here's my question, what have what have you
seen the arc turn into in terms of blackness and
black organizing, but specifically in terms of how white people

(01:37:54):
have been pushing back against you all. I will never
forget some of the most sophisticated campaigns I've ever seen
against blackness began right there in Ferguson.

Speaker 22 (01:38:04):
And I'm curious, what have you seen that arc over
the last ten years shape up to be?

Speaker 28 (01:38:08):
I mean, I've seen that arc produce Kara Spencer, a
white moderate who can proxy herself as a non racist,
non confrontational white person. But the thing, the key word
in the compounding of the word white in person is white.
It's not person, it's white because whiteness doesn't recognize anybody

(01:38:30):
else's true and actual personhood. So even if she wanted
to have the utmost respect from my mind, the utmost
respect for my background, the utmost respect for my city,
the utmost respect for my homeboys, my homegirls, and everything
that everybody had been through. It's impossible for her to
do it because she's a mechanism of white supremacy by
proxy of what she trying to do, which is gentrified

(01:38:50):
the hood, knocked the ghetto down. She wanted to do
us like Ben Laden did Manhattan. They want to come
in and sell Saint Louis to these high interest groups.
They want to bring in high levels of surveillance on
black folks. And this stuff is real. You know what
I'm saying. This isn't some science fiction movie where oh
oh they might be doing it. No, this is real, sick, demnted,

(01:39:11):
twisted stuff that these people are doing in the name
of money. And what we can do is people who
speak the truth. It's no longer allow folks who are
speaking publicly to convolute fact with opinion, opinion with fact,
real news, fake news.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
No, this is real news.

Speaker 28 (01:39:28):
This is reality, and we in it to win it,
regardless to if she becomes the mayor, if Tashar Jones
has to find a new career path, we don't believe
that's what's going to happen. But I represent the might
of the people no matter who's in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Office, Teff, is tomorrow Black Male meeting open to the
public or is it closed?

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
It's a closed meeting.

Speaker 28 (01:39:47):
I really probably shouldn't have said nothing about it on
your show, but I did because I want people to
know that we're doing more than sitting on our hands,
like this is a dog fighting or what is in
the polls.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Saying well is also important.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
People to also know that black men organized, and so
that's critically important as well. All right, Tef, I appreciate it, man,
Thanks a lot, love folks, quick break, we come back.
Lots of drama because Marvin sapp appeared at a conference
and calls for Usher to close the doors and to
raise forty thousand dollars. And a lot of people got problems.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
I got a problem with them, and I will speak
on them when we come right back.

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
Speak on the.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Other side of the change.

Speaker 14 (01:40:33):
The economy is not working.

Speaker 24 (01:40:34):
Trump's got trade wars, recalls the price through the roofs,
and there is a better way.

Speaker 14 (01:40:40):
There is another way. Join as we talk about it
and reimagine better change. Only on the Blackstar network.

Speaker 21 (01:40:50):
Hey, this is Motown Recording.

Speaker 6 (01:40:52):
Kim.

Speaker 21 (01:40:52):
You are watching Roland Martin unfiltered?

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Are you always unfiltered? Though I ain't never known him
to be filtered.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Nothing another way to experience roll and Martin than to
be on filth course, on filter?

Speaker 21 (01:41:05):
Would you expect anything less?

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Why watch?

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Watch what happens next?

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
All right, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Gospel artists and pastor Marvin Savage, responding to criticism over
a resurface clip that shows him telling church ushers to
close the doors while asking for donations, would.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
Some say was an overly aggressive move.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
The controversy stems from a viral video and which Sap
speaks in front of the congregation the Wandering Ninth Pentecostal
Asseiblies for the World Convention in Baltimore July.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
In July.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
In the video, he called on church goers in the
building and those watching online to help raise forty thousand
dollars by giving twenty dollars each. The cliffs circulated online
and folks just lost their minds and had become a
conon met left and right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
So here is what he actually said.

Speaker 13 (01:42:06):
I was taught a long time ago that it cost
the city. Here, y'all, don't like me, y'all don't like me.
I'm telling y'all the costs went upstairs to day to
get my license and ordination renewed. I'm not telling you.

(01:42:37):
I was two years behind. I had to pay two
thousand dollars to get my ordination and my single nude.
I pulled out my credit card, I paid my two
thousand dollars. I'm gonna preach up here and not leave

(01:43:00):
by example. He asked me to give eight hundred dollars
when in my pocket, gave eight hundred dollars. Because leadership
lead and they understand cost that is involved. There's one

(01:43:21):
thousand of you. I say it, close them doors, ushers,
close the doors, close the doors, close doors.

Speaker 21 (01:43:31):
We all all lead together.

Speaker 5 (01:43:33):
Y'all ain't going no place but to the restaurant.

Speaker 13 (01:43:39):
There's one thousand of you tonight, and those that are watching,
it's a thousand that's watching online.

Speaker 21 (01:43:47):
This is a small seed.

Speaker 13 (01:43:50):
If I get a thousand on line to give this,
If I get a thousand of sanctuary to get this,
that's forty thousand dollars to night. I'm charming to eat.
If you want down here for twenty dollars seed, I
just think a lot of money, twenty dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 13 (01:44:08):
Well, my late life Melinda Piece Apples Live was a
good date. I could take her to the movies by
a box of popcorn, Solda two draws. I wasn't cheap
that swam. I was looking at her eyes, she's looking
at mine.

Speaker 21 (01:44:25):
I can't do that no more.

Speaker 13 (01:44:27):
Now, everyone up here, we've all sold and seated. But
everyone think up here with us with me to plan
to see one hundred dollars, because then it costs to
sit up here. I got you, see, so so put
your twenty away, appreci that twenty one for you, and

(01:44:50):
this I need you to do. If you electronically, are
you maybe giving I'm like, come to the altar and
give it because I need to see a thousand people moving.
Bring them baskets. Bring I want the baskets up here.
I want to see the phone. Y'all start moving. Y'all
can bring it right now. Come, come, come, even if
you're giving ta just put your hand on the take

(01:45:14):
your phone and stick it on the on the bucket.
Sh make this worship, give me this worship, give it

(01:45:37):
force giving his worship to same. The time to talk
a thousand people need to give twenty dollars. A thousand
people need to give twent thousand, A thousand people online
need to give twenty dollars. This is easy things, This
is an easy miracle. We should be able to raise

(01:45:57):
forty thousand dollars tonight.

Speaker 21 (01:45:59):
Just from.

Speaker 22 (01:46:02):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
The blogs took off.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Whether you're Hollywood Unlocked, Jasmine Brand, Shade, room ball Alert,
they all posted this video. Other people were posting left
and right on social media. As a result, Pastor Marvin
Sap had to come out and make a statement, and
then he appeared today this morning on the Ricky Smiley
Morning Show.

Speaker 13 (01:46:25):
And I remember after my wife had passed because I
had to travel more in order to take care of
me and my kids. So you know, my membership it dwindled,
but we never lost anything. And as a matter of fact,
this is factor today. I announced the new pastor. I
burned the mortgage of the church, I left the rabbits,

(01:46:46):
I left my church not only free, but I left
him six figures in the bank and put a brand
new pastor in and walked away and moved to Texas.
I'm not walking around here trying to be a pimp.
I'm not trying to take advantage of people. That's never
been my passion. I'm serious about me and let me
go to step further. A whole lot of other pastors

(01:47:08):
around here that are doing the same thing. Most pastors
in America are vocational, meaning they have job side of
their churches. The average church side in America is only
seventy five people.

Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
Look it up.

Speaker 5 (01:47:23):
It's factual, so we not get rich off the church.
I am bi vocational. I have I'm a W two
employee at my church.

Speaker 13 (01:47:31):
I have a syndicative radio show that I do every
week to oversee different markets. I own real estate, I
have mutual funds, I have annuities, I have.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
Stocks. I play the market.

Speaker 13 (01:47:48):
I took my money and I didn't trick it money
that you made, the money that I made from here.
I'm one of the only gospel artists of streams and
you tour and I just came on the tours.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
So here's Marbu sat walking through all of this. A
bunch of people out there comment comment talking about how
he said lock the doors. Well, if you actually listened
to the clip, he never said locked the doors, he
said close the doors.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
He also spoke on.

Speaker 13 (01:48:19):
That that's the narrative that has been shared that that
lock folks up in my church. That you know, I
made them give forty thousand dollars and I wouldn't allow
them to leave until they gave it to me. And
to be honest with you that it's absolutely false. Number One,
that offering was taken last year. This was a service

(01:48:42):
that happened last August. Number Two, it didn't happen at
my local church. It actually happened at a national organization's
national international meeting where churches from all over the country,
all of the world came together for the purpose of
celebrating the Lord and saying Jesus Christ. People issue with
me saying shut the doors. Understand, I never said lock

(01:49:06):
the doors. I said shut the doors. Shutting doors mean
that people still have the ability to go in and out.
They've taken an issue with my tone, and I can
honestly say, you know, looking at the video, maybe I
was a little more assertive than I should have been.
And I can apologize for that. You know, I could
apologize for that. But three things I need to make

(01:49:28):
sure the people understood. Number One, the forty thousand dollars,
if it was forty thousand dollars that was raised was
never given to me. That money was raised for the
purpose of taking care of the budget for their conference,
not Marvin sam Number two, It didn't happen at my church.

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
It happened in Baltimore. Number three.

Speaker 13 (01:49:53):
You know, people take issue with me being firm with
the ushers. Anybody that goes to church ushers and one
on one, that's the first thing they teach you as
being an usher is that there are three times you
don't walk. You don't walk during the altar call, you
don't walk during prayer, you don't walk during the offering.
One of the reasons being is because of the sacredness

(01:50:15):
of the moment. But it's also about security. As a pastor,
we understand and we know that churches are being robbed
at gunpoint.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
It's happening all over the country. This is not something
I'm making up. This is factual.

Speaker 13 (01:50:30):
So if you got five thousand people in the room,
you want the doors closed. You don't want the doors locked.
I couldn't get them locked anyway. It's a convention center.
But the doors needed to be closed. And there was
a lot of pandemonia and stuff that was going on
out there. But I wanted to share that first, but
that ain't even the reason why I'm here. Here's the
reason why I'm here. The reason why I'm here is
because what has happened is is people have taken clickbait

(01:50:57):
and made something out of it it isn't And because
of that, my church has been getting phone calls. People
have called my church and cussed me out. My staff
are afraid because I've received death threats over twenty dollars
and shut the door. People have come to our campus.

(01:51:21):
They have come to my church to try to cause problems, issues, challenges.
And again, my children, I don't look at comments. We
just talk about this. You know, I don't read comments.
When you got millions of followers, you ain't got time
to reading all the comments.

Speaker 5 (01:51:37):
You just don't have it.

Speaker 13 (01:51:38):
My children do, and they are afraid, and the reason
being is because I'm their only parent, I'm a widower.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
You know, they're afraid for my safety.

Speaker 13 (01:51:49):
So now We've had to update and increase security and
all the things I've never had to do before because
of the vitriarch and the anger that people have shown,
the things that they've said in my thread and stuff,
and all of this is because of a misunderstanding. And
I'm not blaming people. Let me be clear, I'm not

(01:52:10):
blaming anybody because of their misunderstanding. I'm just saying, oh,
you're getting getting understanding. And if I'm make shared with
you that the forty thousand dollars that I was trying
to raise, and again, I don't know if the organization
got forty ten, twenty any of it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:52:28):
I'm hoping that I actually raised more money so that
I can help the organization that has been such a
great support to me, these people. And again let's be clear,
not a dime of that, not a diamond that money
came in, Not a diamond. And where and where do
your money come from. I've been blessed. I've been extremely blessed.

(01:52:48):
I've sold millions of records, millions. I'm a songwriter.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
That was Marvin Sack y'all tripping over twenty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
This ain't no Johnny Taylor my last two dollars song
y'all are tripping over twenty dollars at a religious conference
where last I checked, folk are accustomed to give it. Now,

(01:53:29):
what Marvin Sat was doing was basic math. Marvin Sat
was saying if there are a thousand people in the
room and there are a thousand people watching, if each
person solds a seed of twenty dollars, that raises forty
thousand dollars for the conference for the convention for the organization.

(01:53:50):
On March fourth, when we had our show, and when
Tiffany Loughton talked about their student association and she said
that they didn't have the money for some thirty students
from Florida A and M to attend the conference. I
stopped her and said, how much do y'all need? Tiffany said,
I said, calculate how much and get back to me later.

(01:54:13):
She then said, we need thirty nine thousand dollars. I
pledged twenty thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
I then put it out to the more than one
hundred and one thousand people who were still with us
after midnight. Two thirty that morning, Tiffany called me and
said they had raised eighty five thousand dollars. That allowed
not just for the Florida A and M students to attend,
it allowed for other students to attend.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
I actually just hit her and said what was the
total amount? Because we later went online and said we
want to raise an additional seventeen thousand. The total amount
raised for that student conference was one hundred and eight
thousand dollars. Now, mind you, last year they had this
conference and five students from three schools were in attendance.

(01:55:05):
Then they asked Tiffany if she could help them organize
this year, and that were almost one hundred and thirty
students at this year's conference. Nobody is forced to give anything.
Nobody is forced to give twenty dollars. When I make
the call for this show, what do I say? I
asked folk to give, on average fifty dollars each. There

(01:55:27):
are many people who cannot give fifty dollars, so some
people have given twenty five thirty. I had a check
for nineteen dollars in five cents of the other day
ten I had a series of five dollar check. Folk
have given one dollar via cash heep. Other people have
given more of I've had some people give one hundred dollars,

(01:55:50):
one hundred and fifty, two hundred and fifty three hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Five hundred, one thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Last month we had a woman from New Hampshire who
sent ten one thousand dollars cashier's checks.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
I don't seend folks hats and t shirts and swag.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
They are investing or sewing into this show like some
folks sow into a ministry.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
But see, here's what I find interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
I was talking to a sister and she had a
friend of hers who was complaining about tithing at the church. Now,
this same sister rolls up to the church every Sunday,
drops her child off in the church's daycare while she
goes into the sanctuary. Now that sister don't think for

(01:56:37):
a second with the folk in the daycare actually get paid.
That sister gives no thought at the church actually must
get insurance for the daycare. Now she goes into the
sanctuary and she sits down in her seat. At no
time does the sister ever think about the air conditioning

(01:56:59):
in the church. And no time if it's cold, she
ever think about the heat in the church. She doesn't
think about when she drove up to the church, the
security in the church. She doesn't think about the parking
lot attendance. In fact, she ain't even thought about how
was that ground paved to actually create the parking lot

(01:57:21):
in the church. So now she goes in and guess
what if her child needs to have its diaper change.
The daycare got it that sister. Don't think about how
do they pay for those diapers. Then, when service is over,
she then goes to the counter to get her a
cup of coffee. She don't pay for the coffee. At

(01:57:43):
no time does she think, come, I wonder how they
paid for these cups. I wonder how they paid for
the coffee to provide it for free to the folk.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Who are walking up. And so what does she do?
She comes to church.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
She gets her a free concert with the wire singing
Oh I'm sorry, you never occur to her at that organ.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
Has to be paid for it. Does she think about
that those roles must be paid for it?

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Does she think about the church must pay a licensing
fee for the popular music that they actually sing. Does
she somebody contemplate, my goodness, those drums and those saxophones
and those horns, they all cost money.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
Oh, I'm sorry. When your mama gets sick, when your
daddy gets sick.

Speaker 21 (01:58:29):
You call the church.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Can you come to the hospital and pray with my mama,
pray with my daddy. Somebody is getting paid to actually
do that. We can go round and round whether we
want to admit it or not. Church is indeed a business.
There are costs associated with it. But I love these
folks who sit here and say, pastor, can you please

(01:58:52):
pray for me?

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
First, lady, can you pay for me? Deacons? Can you
pay for me?

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Elders? Can you pray for me? And all that's stuff.
They don't ask you for a feed to pray. This
ain't like Krefflow saying, y'all help me buy a new jet.
This ain't like that trifling ass Paula White saying, oh,
give a.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Thousand, and God's gonna send you these seven specific blessings. No,
it's a bunch of a whole bunch of unchurch folk
who love running their mouths. And you know what, right now,
y'all getting in church business. You ain't got no business
getting in church business if you don't go.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
The reality is this here. I may have an opinion
on how said church does their business, but if I
am not a member of that church, an attendee of
that church, a tither of that church, a love off
free person of that church, I should mind.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
My own damn business.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
But I'm really am sick and tired of folks in
social media who always got something to say. I had
some punk ass come on my Instagram about the three
hundred and fifty thousand you got from the Kamala campaign.
Dumb ass, that was for advertising. But you don't say
a damn thing with ABC in NBC and CBS and

(02:00:11):
MSNBC and Fox News and all of them get advertising.
You don't say nothing when iHeart gets advertising. But urban
radio radio one can't get advertising because y'all think black
folks should work for free. If white folk can get advertising,
we can get advertising. If white folk can tie and

(02:00:33):
give it a conference, black folk can too as well.
But see, it's a lot of people who always got
something to say. I heard people on social media. Look
at that he's wearing that d Or jacket.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
He's also a prominent gospel singer, a man who records
all around the world, who's made millions of dollars. He
can actually afford a d Or jacket.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
But most of y'all, you're broke asses are sitting at
home when d Or and Luberto and you actually got
a roommate in an apartment.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
But you got something to say. So here's Marvin sat
having to come out here.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
A man, by the way, who had a church, who
had a school, who was paying for all of that,
who are sitting there providing and helping people. Now he's
got to come out and explain to folks what he did.
He's now got to come on a radio show. And
here's the whole deal.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Marvin, you better than me because I know you church,
and it's all the good.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
And let me tell y'all something. People sit and tell me.
I don't brotherly, you be sitting you cussing? You a pastor.
Let him be real clear, Roland Martin, ain't no pastor.
I ain't never wanted to be a pastor. I ain't
never gone to school.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
To be a pastor. Reverend doctor Jackie Hood Martin, she
went to seminary. She's a pastor. She's ordained. I'm not
so I'm gonna tell y'all right now, if I was
Marvin sat, I would tell all y'all haters to kiss
my ENTI ass I wouldn't be explaining nothing to all
of you fools. But I'm so.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Tired of folk, especially black folk as well, who ain't
got no clue about nothing. I got some simple simon
Jiselle ass on YouTube. Roland, That's not the point that
is the point you're talking about. What's the tone when
you see some of y'all sitting here runt of your mouths.
Y'all ain't never had to raise money, because see, you

(02:02:26):
know why y'all used to sit in yr ass there
getting freebies. I'm gonna go ahead and go there. It's
a whole bunch of y'all who come in on our
YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
You ain't never sent no money, You neither thought about
sitting no money, But you got a whole lot to
say about stuff you ain't never paid for, so.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
You know what ends up happening. I don't like his tone.
I don't like how he said that. Never said lock
the doors, never said y'all can't leave. You don't know
anything about that. You don't know if this was day
one or day three of the conference. You don't know
if if they didn't hit their goal on day one

(02:03:02):
or day two. See, I've actually been to various events.
I remember the New York Urban League. I'm sitting here
at the New York Urban League dinner and the guy
gets up to raise some money, and I personally didn't
think he was doing a great job. I was only
there to present an award, and so I just happened
to say out loud, do they have a goal? And

(02:03:24):
a sister next to me said, well, no, we don't
have a goal. And I said, baby, y'all should never
raise money and not have a goal in mind. And
so he's sitting here talking and he's telling the room
the cards are on the table and if y'all can
fill it out, take it home. And I was like, man,
you don't never let money lead a room. No, they
how you raised money. So when he got done, I

(02:03:47):
went to the microphone and I told the dude it
was I was presenting award to a Geico executive. I said, brother,
And I was asked to do this by Alfred Liggas,
the c IF of Urban One. I said, I said,
my man, take a seat, I got work to do.
I said, we about to raise ten thousand dollars in
ten minutes. You know why I did that, because see,
I know it was a whole bunch of negroes who

(02:04:09):
were at that Urban League dinner who had a free
ticket because they company bought the table.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
I knew they had not sold any seed in.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
Helping the Urban League raise any money, and so I
began to raise some money, and so all of a sudden,
the brother who was up there before me, he all
of a sudden was some embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
So he comes to me on the side. He goes,
we were had seven thousand. He goes, my table has
contributed three thousand. We now hit the goal. We can
move along.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
And I said, hmm, I said, y'all. The brother said
his table is given three thousand, We can move along.
I said, in all, the new goal is fifteen thousand.
Raise the money in ten minutes. Joel kleined it used
to be the chance of.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
New York public schools.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
Joel Jewish stands up and said when he got hit
the ward, he said, Roland, you're welcome of the synagogue
anytime picked with Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
You want to visit. He said, that was quite impressive.
It was so crazy, y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
The Urban League asked me to come back the next
year to raise their money again. I politely decline, it
ain't the first time I've done that. You know why,
because when we talking about churches, we were talking about organizations.
There's work that they actually do. I got somebody sitting
here saying, rollingd you so mad?

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
No?

Speaker 13 (02:05:22):
I ain't mad.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
I'm sad. I'm not mad. I'm sad.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
I'm sad because it's a lot of folk who got
a lot of stuff to say, who don't have any
clue how things are constructed, how things are paid. See,
we love talking about what the Black Church need to do,
and the Black Church should be doing this here, and
the Black Church should be doing that, and the Black Church.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
Should be doing this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
When it comes to home ownership, the Black Church should
be doing this. The Black Church should be out here
a campaign.

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
We want the Black Church to do everything. But how
many people ever go? How much this stuff cost?

Speaker 2 (02:06:03):
Now I get it, it's some charlatan's out there, like
that food so called bishop with that store front church
in New York who wore all designer stuff, who is
stealing money.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Sitting his ass in federal prison. Or I get that.
There's some other people who's sitting here.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
They passed to very small churches that got barely any budget,
but they driving the rose brus or I totally get
all of that. But this is stupid, This is silly,
this is childish, and it's real simple. If you one
of those folk who don't go to church, and you

(02:06:38):
are atheist, or you don't.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
Like any of them. That's fine, mind your own business.
But here's what I do know.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
There are church folk who are out here doing some
amazing things.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
Every day.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
They literally are sitting here trying to feed a ton
of people by breaking bread and hat. They literally are
out here trying to help folks stay clothed, and help
folks get into apartments, and help folk not be homeless.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
I know many of these people.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
So maybe if you one of those folks commenting and
you don't like what Marvin Sap did, let me ask
you a question. What church do you go to and
what is your church doing, and what is your ministry?
And the next time you want to ask a church
person to pray for you when your husband leaves, when

(02:07:31):
your wife leaves, when you lose your job, when y'all
on a verge of homelessness, I want you to understand
that that person don't work for free.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
I'm not saying you should pay for a prayer. But
here's what I do know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
It's a bunch of church people who are out here
truly doing the Lord's work for a small amount of money,
and the last thing they need. A whole bunch of
folks run and they damn Miles, Marvin Sap, I ain't
had no problem with your tone, Marvin Sap. I had

(02:08:08):
no problem with you saying twenty dollars, And I got
no problem Marvin Sap. Were you telling people on the
stage y'all got to give more because it's a whole
bunch of people love sitting on stage who love also
riding for free. At some point some folks need to
shut the hell up and stay prayed up before you

(02:08:33):
get cussed out pastor being I go ahead and get
your thoughts.

Speaker 22 (02:08:39):
I had a feeling you might come to me first.

Speaker 21 (02:08:42):
Roland I, you know.

Speaker 22 (02:08:43):
I one.

Speaker 15 (02:08:45):
I want to appreciate and thank Marvin Sap for him
being willing to willing to offer an apology for his tone,
But nothing else that he said or did is problematic
to me. I do though, I do understand the sentiment.

(02:09:06):
But I want to divide what I'm going to say
from the blogs. First of all, but all do disrespect
to a lot of those blogs. They're trash, and they're trash,
and they're trash for the purposes of putting out stuff
like this to cause division amongst the black community. So
for any of these blogs that are continuously putting out
this content without even putting out the proper information, without

(02:09:27):
giving any kind of substance, any type of journalistic integrity
to what they're doing, and they're just throwing up mess.
One of the things that God hates the most, according
to the Book of Proverbs, is those who calls so
discord amongst the brethren.

Speaker 22 (02:09:39):
That's what those blogs are doing.

Speaker 15 (02:09:41):
That said, I also know there are a lot of
churches that are doing fabulous things, but I feel like
if we had more, and what do I mean by more,
I feel like that there's something missing, and it's missing
from the Black Church because it really points to the
fact that there's a huge, huge gap between a lot.

Speaker 22 (02:10:02):
Of the culture and the Black Church.

Speaker 15 (02:10:05):
We can't blame it all on the Black Church, but
me being in the Black Church the way I am
and working with them and coordinating with pastors, they're all
seeing it, and they're all wondering why is there this
huge divide in this Gulf.

Speaker 22 (02:10:18):
I don't think it has anything to do with how
they raise money.

Speaker 15 (02:10:21):
I don't think that's the problem, But I do believe
it's a problem that has left an open, gaping hole
that these blogs are filling in. They're filling in our
culture with a level of mess and discord and dissent
and foolishness that our people gravitate towards. So we need
more from the Black Church, and we need more from

(02:10:41):
the Black church in the Black culture. We need us
to assert our voices, take those resources and assert our
voices in that space, in the space where these lives
come up, in the space where they are spreading misinformation.
These are the same spaces that help Donald Trump win
this election. These are the same spaces that are helping

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spread all of the misinformation that we're dealing with. And
I do believe that there's a role for the Black
Church to serve in that specific capacity. So when I
say more, it's nothing to do with how they raise money.
It has everything to do with how we as Black
church leaders assert ourselves in the culture.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Here's it deal.

Speaker 2 (02:11:18):
When you talk about the first of the Black church
is broad, So the Black church is way broad.

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
It's extremely broad.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
So when I sit here and well, so people talk
about what the Black church should be doing, no is
what your church should be doing. See, so when I'm
talking about the Black Church, I'm real clear on who's
doing stuff and who is it and what they're doing.
And also, as somebody says, Rolla, you should respect your viewers.

(02:11:50):
I donate monthly, but what you max, I'm gonna disagree
with you. I'm gonna disagree on this one. I'm gonna disagree.

Speaker 1 (02:11:59):
People are sitting here talking about well, Marvin brought it
on himself.

Speaker 6 (02:12:03):
No, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:04):
First of all, Marvin wasn't talking to Hollywood Unlocked. Marvin
wasn't talking to the Jasmine brand. Marvin wasn't talking to
Ball of Alert. Marvin wasn't talking to the Shade Room.
Marvin was in a church talking to a church conference.
And by the way, for all y'all, fuck running y'all

(02:12:26):
mouths the thousands who were watching online. Has it ever
dawned on y'all at the fiber optic line costs money,
The streaming equipment costs money, The cameras cost money.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
The equipment called up keep costs money. That's why this
thing is just so silly.

Speaker 21 (02:12:45):
It's silly.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
Somebody actually sat here and said, a Dasha budget better
Dick Derek. That's the simpleton stuff. That's absolutely ridiculous. Again,
but it's a lot of people running their mouths who

(02:13:08):
don't even have any understanding that money is raised at
I never went to a church conference with at not
what that wasn't an offering.

Speaker 8 (02:13:22):
Every Sunday, Roland, we are raising money, you know.

Speaker 13 (02:13:25):
At the.

Speaker 23 (02:13:28):
The previous duty station, I served at a church on
their finance committee. And during those six years i served
on that finance committee, much of what you're talking about.
The church took up a benevolent offering which was separated
and apart from tithing in the general offering, and that
benevolent offering was specifically to take care of those who

(02:13:52):
were in need, pay life bills, utility bills. We got
folks out of out of jail rolling with that nevling offering.
We help individuals to pay their rent, We help soup
kinchen soup kitchens purchase food to pay pay to feed
the hunger right. And so there are a lot of

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things in addition to what you already described in terms
of the operations of the church. And so every Sunday
we were raising money. We call it benevoling offering. Here's
the other point too, Roland, and I appreciate Ben's perspective.
This is to divide us and it's simply to go

(02:14:35):
after the Black Universal Church, because if Black people do
not have faith and trust in the Black Church, the
Black church is where we mobilize.

Speaker 8 (02:14:45):
And organize when it's time to go vote.

Speaker 23 (02:14:48):
The Black church is where we conduct meetings, as you
well know, rolland the Black church is where we have conferences.
And so that is the central pillar of the Black communit.
And so if we no longer have faith and trust
in the Black Church, our whole community will fall apart.
And so they going after the Black Church, and this

(02:15:11):
is the bank shot to divide us because they know
it's the Black Church. In fact, we even have legislation
right now Roland that says that they will penalize a
Black church if they get more than three individuals out
of jail. Who you think got doctor King out of jail?
Who do you think got Rosa Parks out of jail?

(02:15:34):
With a Black church? And so I appreciate the point
that you're raising and having this real conversation because we
need to make sure that the Black church that's also
under attack by way of Marvin Sap, but they're trying
to attack the Black church. And so I appreciate you
bringing light to this topic because we got to have

(02:15:56):
a real conversation. And we're only ten weeks into this
Trump administration, and so they're going after everything black, and
that includes the Black Church.

Speaker 2 (02:16:06):
You know, Mondlle somebody that Chad said, y'all gonna really
regret this segment later.

Speaker 22 (02:16:12):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (02:16:16):
Look here, here's my thing.

Speaker 3 (02:16:18):
I challenge anybody who heard about this story to say
that they didn't hear from one of these vibral moments
and they didn't watch the entire clip.

Speaker 4 (02:16:26):
When you watch this entire clip, this is a nothing burger.

Speaker 3 (02:16:29):
Every preacher may I haven't been to churches where they
took three or four offers where they didn't meet their goal.

Speaker 4 (02:16:33):
And this was not church, this was a conference.

Speaker 3 (02:16:37):
Would have been better had this church charged people five
hundred dollars. I bet you these same people complaining then
pay five six hundred dollars to go to a conference before.

Speaker 4 (02:16:46):
I'm not upset about churches raising money. I am upset
in this case with myself because you know what, I
heard people talking about it and I didn't go do
my work myself, and I made me lazy.

Speaker 3 (02:16:56):
And I hate when I feel lazy, and especially when
you you see somebody doing so much and what I
saw in his brother. Marvin Sapp is not a person
who gets uncomfortable in speaking. I saw a level of
uncomfortability in him talking to Ricky Smiley.

Speaker 4 (02:17:12):
That's not normal for him.

Speaker 3 (02:17:14):
And it was when he was talking about what he
did for his last church. When you see this brother
stumbling and stuttering, he's not like me. I talk so
fast that I stutter all the time. It is absolutely
disgusting that this brother is in a position where he's
walked away from this church years ago and never had
to mention it, and now has to mention it as
a form of defense for what he's done and who
he is, to prove to people that he's not a

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thief from God.

Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
And that is tragic.

Speaker 3 (02:17:39):
And all of these people who say that he could
cut a record and raise that forty thousand itself don't
really understand what it means to be Christian. God don't
require one rich person to pay for all of us.
There's love, that's the offering is part in christian And
I think that and the fact that when you sit
back and you understand the entire context, this is a
conference and everybody raised money, and if they had a

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problem with his tone, I'm upset that he apologized for
his tone. You should see how I fund raised. I
talk shit to people when I'm raising money because I'm
working to bring more black men into the political space.
And that is not work that someone that is forty
five should be doing in twenty twenty five. And it
is not work that is old that the brothers who
I'm trying to reach old. It is work of everybody

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who has benefited from the systems and institution of white
supremacy in America. So when I'm talking to people, I'm
way more aggressive than shutting doors. I'm calling people out
and telling them the money that they sitting on, tens
and twenties of millions of dollars they're sitting on, they
don't own it. They owed it to black men because
of white supremacy. So I think people are the people
that are complaining fall into one or two categories.

Speaker 4 (02:18:44):
They've never been to a.

Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
Damn black church before, or any church that raised money.
And secondly, secondly, they have a grudge that they're trying
to act with black institutions and this is a wonderful
way to get it clicks and views on it, and
I think all of them are discussing. You know, I
think I think the tragic part of this is neither
one of those outlets that went viral and got clicks

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or I'm gonna get ad dollars off of this little
silliness about this brother.

Speaker 4 (02:19:10):
We'll go back and publish the entire clip and say, oh, yeah,
we screwed up.

Speaker 13 (02:19:13):
He didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:19:14):
He didn't say locked the doors. This is not a joke.
This was not his church. He was raising money for
somebody else. And now his brother's getting death threats.

Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
And we should never joke when black men are getting
death threats, because people get killed for real.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
So uh, I'm gonna do this. See see, this is
what happens. This is not the same at all. Let
me real clear this this is this is not the same.

Speaker 2 (02:19:37):
I remember when I was at UH when when Reverend
Jeremiah Right, when when his sermons came out and oh
the boat lost their money and we had seen I'm
on seeing in and.

Speaker 1 (02:19:48):
All the folks are sitting here.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
Everybody's talking about what Jeremiah Right had to say.

Speaker 1 (02:19:56):
Everybody. And I was on the air at WVON Radio.

Speaker 2 (02:20:04):
And I remember being on the air and I said,
because it wasn't online, because they had actually had pulled
stuff offline. So I then said, I need some members
of Trinity to please bring me a copy of the
sermons because I wanted to hear the context, which of

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what Reverend Wright was preaching about. I was not going
to go on CNN and react to what Sean Hannity posted.

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
And so what I then did was there were two sermons,
and I then listened to both sermons.

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
And I then did a deconstruction of Reverend Wright's sermons.
I laid out the scripture that he would speaking of.
I laid out what he was talking about. I laid
out all that he had to say.

Speaker 11 (02:21:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:21:09):
And I wrote something up and I actually posted it
on seeing N's website.

Speaker 15 (02:21:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
And I remember going on the air and then I
remember John King was questioning me uh and I was
interviewing Baby Buchanan uh. And Baby Buchannan they were like, well,
what did he mean by this?

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
What did he mean by that?

Speaker 21 (02:21:32):
As well?

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
First of all, let me explain to y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
What he was because see, first of all, these are
people who had no concept of sermons. And then I
remember Baby Buchannan saying, well, he was just up there.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
He was just loud, and he was just yelling.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
I said, Babe, you obviously ain't never been to a
church in the South. Uh, you obviously ain't never been
to anywhere. Guy's freeze, y'all. I said, I could show
your whole bunch of white preachers who have done the
exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:22:05):
See, that's what you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (02:22:07):
You got folks who always got something to say about
any and everything. So what I need people to understand
is that that entire night was a three hour event.
Let me say it again, that entire night of the

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Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, inc. It was a three
day It was three day event. So this broadcast happened
to be three hours and thirty nine minutes in five seconds.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
So I didn't have to do this.

Speaker 2 (02:22:47):
I decided to do this. So here's what's gonna happen.
When we sign off of the show. I'm going to
play the full sermon of Marvin Sap that night, So I.

Speaker 1 (02:23:02):
Need you're gonna hear the introduction.

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
I'm not gonna play the whole three hours in thirty
nine minute everything that happened before that, but I'm gonna
play for y'all the whole sermon. So I ain't gonna
see I can't be like everybody else. See, I believe
in context. I then want you to hear what Marvin

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Sap had to say that night that led him to
then call for the forty thousand dollars offering. See, that's
what happens when you understand context, when these things matter.
Somebody sat here and said, CarMax too.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
Two. We still ain't given twenty dollars. But you don't
have to give twenty dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:23:46):
Nobody's asking you, nobody's demanding you give twenty dollars. But
you always got something to say about this very deal.
Because here's what I do know again, I'm gonna say
it again.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
It's a lot of folk. Y'all always want the church.

Speaker 2 (02:24:02):
To show up for you, and you ain't never ask
yourself when do I show up for the Black church?
Being Derek Mondale, I appreciate y'all being on today's show,
Thank you so very much. Let me just remind folks
that when we talk about black institutions, why has the

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black church, I'm gonna use that phrase, why has the
black church been so powerful? Because it is being the
only place where black people have been able to get
unfiltered truth that was not brought to us by anybody else.
The black media is just as important to see. I

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told y'all what King specifically said about the Black church,
about black media, what he said about black organizations, black institutions.

Speaker 21 (02:24:57):
See.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
What I need from us is have an understanding of
what is required in our community. What I need for
us to understand that when we talk about how do
we transform the Black community? King writes in where do
We Go from Here? Chaos and Community, He writes, they

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are already structured forces in the Negro community that can
serve as the basis for building a powerful united front.
The Negro church, the Negro press, the Negro fraternities and sororities,
and Negro professional associations. We must admit that these forces
have never given their full resources to the cause of

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Negro liberation. There are still too many Negro churches that
are so absorbed in a future good over yonder that
they condition their members to adjust to the present evils
over here. Too many Negro newspapers have veered away from
their traditional role as protests organs agitating for social change,

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and have turned to the sensational and the conservative in
place of the substantive and the militant. Too many Negro
social and professional groups have degenerated into snobbishness and a
preoccupation with frivolities and trivial activities. So, speaking as somebody
who is a Christian, who's a member of the Negro Church,

(02:26:22):
who's a member of the Negro Press, who's a member
of a Negro fraternity, who's a member of Negro professional organizations,
I'm just letting you know that we fully embrace what
doctor King is saying, and our goal here at the
Blackstar Network is to be fully convicted and focused on
the liberation of our people.

Speaker 1 (02:26:41):
That means using our means to do so.

Speaker 2 (02:26:44):
What it also means though we cannot be fully liberated,
we cannot be fully unfiltered. We cannot be fully unapologetically
black if somebody non black is footing the bill for
the work that we do, which is why our folk
and I bring the Funk Fan Club have given to us.

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Speaker 21 (02:28:37):
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Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
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Speaker 2 (02:28:59):
Forward slash fan base and don't forget. On April eleventh,
this is also what you fund. We are having a
town hall in Raleigh, North Carolina, regarding Saint Augustin's University,
all the drama and that's happening there. That will take
place at a black church, Martin Street Baptist Church.

Speaker 21 (02:29:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:29:19):
I didn't pick it because then my name is in it,
but the alumni, the students.

Speaker 2 (02:29:23):
We're going to be focused on how do we successfully
keep Saint Augustine's going, but also require that accountability happens
with the leadership bears. That's taking place on April eleventh,
doors open at five pm, open to the public. We
will stream on the Black Star Network and so right

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now you will hear Pastor Marvin Sap speaking at the
Pentecosta Assemblies.

Speaker 1 (02:29:52):
Of the Word Inc.

Speaker 2 (02:29:53):
This took place July twenty third, twenty twenty four. I'll
see you all tomorrow.

Speaker 22 (02:29:58):
Hower.

Speaker 13 (02:30:01):
Do you know who you are tonight?

Speaker 21 (02:30:03):
Do you know who you are?

Speaker 6 (02:30:04):
Tonight?

Speaker 21 (02:30:06):
It is time for the Word of the Lord.

Speaker 13 (02:30:07):
Tonight.

Speaker 30 (02:30:08):
I'm going to ask the Honorable Bishop from Texas to
come and to introduce our speaker for tonight. He is
very well acquainted with him, to ask the Honorble Biship
Richard E. Young to come at this time.

Speaker 6 (02:30:24):
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 27 (02:30:27):
Presigner.

Speaker 21 (02:30:29):
I'm honored tonight the privilege to.

Speaker 27 (02:30:32):
Present I don't need to introduce because I think everybody
in here has heard him, Marviren Sam and it is
my privilege and honor tonight to present him to this
awesome congregation to minister too. I've had the privilege of
ignoring him, probably since he was a teenager. We come

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up in the same arch under the same leadership of
the Honorable Bishop may Honorable Bishop William c Abney was
our pastor and yeah, some of y'all remember him. When
I got ready to retire from pastoring in two thousand

(02:31:19):
and nineteen, the Lord put this young man in my
spirit and I couldn't get away from it, and so
I asked him if he would succeed me as the
senior pastor of the Chosen Vessel A Cathedral in Fort Worth,

(02:31:40):
and he accepted and has been the senior pastor the
Chosen Vessel A Cathedral in.

Speaker 21 (02:31:49):
Fort Worth for the last four years and has done just.

Speaker 27 (02:31:56):
A tremendous I can even describe the progress and the
growth the church's had under his leadership.

Speaker 21 (02:32:06):
We love him and celebrate him.

Speaker 27 (02:32:13):
Bishop is an anointed preacher who happens to be a singer.
He's not a singer who preaches every now and then,
but he is a preacher who happens to be able
to sing. This dynamic man of God is the co
founder of the Lighthouse Full Life Center in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Speaker 21 (02:32:38):
He is now the.

Speaker 27 (02:32:39):
Senior pastor of the Chosen Vessel Church in Fort Worth, Texas.
Bishops Sap is the Vice Presider of the Global United Fellowship.
In twenty twenty, he established The Entertainment and Media LLC,

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a global media and entertainment company. This company is comprised
of media, recording, film and television. Bishop Sap has received
thirteen Grammy nominations, twenty.

Speaker 21 (02:33:19):
Four Stella Awards to Soul Train.

Speaker 27 (02:33:31):
I wish i'ld have had this before I called him
to pastor my church, but to Sole Train Awards, two
BET Awards, four Dove Awards, eight BMI Awards.

Speaker 21 (02:33:47):
His accomplishments are many.

Speaker 27 (02:33:51):
He was married to the beautiful Melinda Sap. Bishop Sap
is the proud father of three children, Marvin the Second,
Maquila and Madison. Bishop's Sap is an anointed appointed by
the Lord for.

Speaker 21 (02:34:09):
This particular season that we am.

Speaker 27 (02:34:13):
If you will put your hands together and welcome this
honorable anointed gift to the body of Christ, the Honorable
Bisha Marvin Lewis, come on, mix some noise, some p
aw noise, the Honorable Bisher Marvin L.

Speaker 21 (02:34:30):
Sap. Great is thy faithfulness, Oh God, my fine.

Speaker 6 (02:34:51):
Very no shed of tim.

Speaker 15 (02:35:01):
With the.

Speaker 21 (02:35:06):
Thou changet not.

Speaker 13 (02:35:11):
Thy compassions.

Speaker 2 (02:35:15):
They failed, not.

Speaker 6 (02:35:20):
As thou hast been thou forever with the.

Speaker 31 (02:35:36):
Greatest God's faithfulness, greedy, Gone's faithfulness, moreening by.

Speaker 13 (02:35:57):
Moening new mercenes.

Speaker 6 (02:36:04):
I see, ah I have needed my hand.

Speaker 21 (02:36:22):
Have provided.

Speaker 8 (02:36:27):
Great is.

Speaker 21 (02:36:31):
God's faithfulness.

Speaker 27 (02:36:35):
No, Lord.

Speaker 13 (02:36:40):
To me, last Father, we thank you tonight. We honor

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you for this, this moment. We praise you for this opportunity. God,
we honor you and we give you praise.

Speaker 6 (02:38:21):
Now.

Speaker 13 (02:38:22):
God, we pray that you would walk up a down
each and every aisle, that you would hit each and
every seat that you would sit on, each and every person.
Do not allow them to leave here the same way
they came into these doors. However, allow them to be
a metamorphosis that takes place. So your wait around, execute
your will and your authority in this house, annoying me

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indeed afresh and anew the anoying that causes teaching and
preaching to be easy. But yolks will not be broken,
because indeed broken things can be fixed. But yolks will
be destroyed under the weight of your glory. God, we
are already experienced you so God. We just asked that

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you would just do that which you do best, even
that mench the more, just show up and show out
in this building. We have a spirit of expectancy, Lord God,
and we believe that you're going to move mightily on
our behalf.

Speaker 21 (02:39:15):
We thank you even now.

Speaker 13 (02:39:16):
We give you praise in the name of Jesus, we pray,
and everyone in the building said a man, we greach
in the matter of the thingum of my Lord and
saying to Jesus Christ, you may be seen in his presence.
And we are grateful for this amazing opportunity that the
Lord has afforded us to be able.

Speaker 21 (02:39:32):
To stand in this capacity.

Speaker 13 (02:39:34):
We are just grateful to God for giving us traveling mercies,
bringing us safely together once more and again we mean
we worship Him in the beauty of holiness, and I'm
just honored to be able to stand here in this capacity.
We give honor to our presiding Prelate. Let's put our
hands together for the honor of Bishop Theater Rooks. We

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often do better than that. I said.

Speaker 21 (02:39:56):
Let's celebrate our presider.

Speaker 13 (02:40:02):
We also thank God for the assistant presiding Bishops that
stand with him and ministry, and to the Presidium of Bishops,
the Board of Bishops, and just to all of you all,
we greet you in the match the name of our
Lord and saving Jesus Christ. I'm grateful tonight that our
Pastor emeritus is with us. Amen, the honble Bishop Richardy young, Amen,

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who we absolutely love and adore, and if ever first
ladies in the building.

Speaker 21 (02:40:29):
Thank God for her being here too. Somebody say, who's
the forever first lady?

Speaker 13 (02:40:32):
That is none other than the lady Arlee Young Amen,
And we thank God for her and for the family.

Speaker 21 (02:40:38):
And you know the fact that I'm in Fort Worth, Texas.

Speaker 13 (02:40:41):
Now, I never imagined that I would ever leave Grand Rapids, Michigan.
And things are going well, and the spirit of the
Lord just told me it was time to transition and shift.

Speaker 22 (02:40:54):
Now.

Speaker 13 (02:40:55):
I tell people all the time, it's easy to make
a decision to leave something when you're twenty two. It's
a little more difficult when you're thirty two. When you
get forty two, you're really begin to consider and beginning
to weigh out all the options.

Speaker 21 (02:41:10):
But when God tell you to move at fifty two,
you better know it's God.

Speaker 13 (02:41:15):
And I packed my bags and left all my furniture
and Michigan still got three storage units worth of furniture
in Michigan. And I brought my cars and my clothes
and I moved into an eight hundred square foot apartment.

Speaker 21 (02:41:29):
I can't get no help in here.

Speaker 13 (02:41:34):
I had a seven thousand square foot home in Michigan,
and I moved into an eight hundred square foot apartment
that wasn't even the size of my bedroom. And when
I got down there, I was like, Lord, is this
really you?

Speaker 21 (02:41:48):
Is this really you?

Speaker 13 (02:41:50):
But it was him, and I take great pride and
joy in being his successor. I'll say that one more time.
I take great pride and enjoy in being his successor.
And one of the things I've committed to his family
is that they ain't got to worry about it, that

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we're going to make sure that we look out for
him and we want to take care of him and
his lovely wife, because I felt like that's a part
of my assignment. So I'm just grateful to God, and
I'm glad he's here with us, and I'm glad his
lovely wife is here with us. And I'm not gonna
hold y'all long. Y'all been here for a period of time.
But there is a word from the Lord tonight that

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I believe that I need to share. Do we thank
God for Bishop Weeks was with us as well, and
hey man, doctor Smith, who has been a great, great,
great great friend. Our relationship is it's a whole nother conversation.
And then also the Bishop Noel Jones who's in the
building as well.

Speaker 21 (02:42:51):
Thank God for him.

Speaker 13 (02:42:55):
The word of the Lord tonight is found in a
very familiar pastor scripture. I wonder if you would just
go with me to Psalms chapter number thirty, Psalms chapter thirty.
I'm an exponsortory preacher. In other words, I'd like to
deal directly with the text. Upon my completion of executing
the text to the best of my ability, I go
to my seat. So if you would just grab your

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bibles quickly and go to Psalms thirty and stand to
your feet of reverence to the reading of.

Speaker 21 (02:43:21):
The Word of God.

Speaker 13 (02:43:21):
I'm a very strong believer. Whatever the Word of God
is where we should stand. Let me tell you why.
It's amazing to me that whenever a judge walks in
the door, we have to stand in reverence of his
or her office. If we don't stand in reverence of
their office, we can be found in contempt of court,
find and or thrown in jail. And I just believe

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if I can stand for somebody who didn't die so
that I can live, I ought to be able to
stand for the Word of God for a few moments.
The only ones that should be sitting are those who
are physically unable to stand. If your fysics the unable
to stand, I understand not what the right of declares
in the King James version Psalms, Chapter thirty. We're gonna
look at one through five. When you get there, just
say I got it. The right of declares, I will

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extol thee, O Lord, for thou hast lifted me up,
and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.
Oh Lord, my God, I cried unto thee, and thou
hast healed me. O Lord, Thou hast brought up my
soul from the grave. Thou has kept me alive. That
I should not go down to the pit sing unto

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the Lord, or ye sings of his and give thanks
at the remembrance of His holiness.

Speaker 6 (02:44:33):
For his anger.

Speaker 13 (02:44:36):
Endureth, but a moment in his favor is life. Weeping
may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.
If I could a doctor smith, I want to look
at verse number five, because that's one one to try
to extrapolate my thought from tonight. The right of declares

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for his anger endureth, but a moment in his favor
is life. Weeping may I want you to underline that
word may endure for a night, but joy cometh. Underlying
the word cometh in the morning for its anger and doreth,

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but for a moment in his favor is life. Weeping
may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.
Just because I need to tag this text with a
particular title, tonight, I want to just talk to you
all from this particular thought for a few moments.

Speaker 21 (02:45:38):
I just want to talk from the.

Speaker 13 (02:45:39):
Thought temporary tears, temporary tears. Just look at somebody and
tell them your crying days are over. I wish I
had some real help tonight. Just look at somebody else
and tell them, say, neighbor, your crying days are over.
Something still looking at me. I need you all to

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help a man of God look at somebody and smile
at them and tell them say, your tears are temporary.
God told me to tell you that your crying days
are over. Now, if you believe that prophetic word over
your own life, why don't you put your hands together
and give God a quick praise as you go.

Speaker 21 (02:46:21):
To your seat. Temporary tears, temporary tears.

Speaker 13 (02:46:34):
Understand, understand you hear my dear brothers and my dear sisters,
all of you, all of you who is a part
of the household of faith. Indeed because of his death,
his burial, as well as his resurrection, which has in
turn made us all airs and again joint heirs. I've learned, family,
that one of the most difficult questions to ask God
in times of trouble, one of the most difficult questions

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to ask God in times of trying, One of the
most difficult questions Evangelist Rawley to ask God in times
of difficulty is the question why, Why am I going
through the situation that I'm going through? Why am I
in dealing with the circumstance that I'm dealing with? Why

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have I been faced with this particular challenge that I'm
being faced with. One of the most difficult questions to
ask God, and the time of challenge, and the time
of struggle and the time of hardship is the question why.
But I began to realize what love it, brothers and sisters.

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I began to realize. At first, I thought, without a question,
that that was probably the most difficult question. But then
I begin to realize that there is even one that
is even more difficult than that. The question that is
far more difficult than the question why. Is the question
why now, out of all the times when this could

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have happened, out of all of the times, when this
should have happened, out of all of the times when
these ordeals decided that they wanted to come into my life.

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Why in the world did they have to happen now?
The fact of the matter is is that if I
would have got.

Speaker 13 (02:48:22):
The information on the front of this particular situation, I
would have at least been able to prepare for it.

Speaker 21 (02:48:30):
I would have at least been able.

Speaker 13 (02:48:31):
To position myself so that it wouldn't have shaken me
that the way it's just shaken me. I would have
at least been able to put myself in a position
where I could handle the situation a little better. But
because it came out of nowhere, now I find myself
in a place and in a posture where I'm shook
and don't know how I'm.

Speaker 21 (02:48:52):
Going to get through it. Lord, why in the world
did this have to happen to me?

Speaker 15 (02:48:58):
Now?

Speaker 13 (02:49:00):
Halfs beloved brothers and sisters, Many of you all have
been taught that it is spiritually wrong to ask God
why must we endure certain trials. However, I am reminded
that God, the God that we serve, that he is
a loving and caring father who does not, without question
abandon his children in their quests for understanding when the

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seasons of life suddenly and abruptly change. He knows, beloved
brothers and sisters, that we as individuals have feelings, and
he knows that the changing of life circumstances that they
will offer the listed reactions from us, some good and
some the result of our human natural inclination just to
want to understand why I've learned that maybe you've learned already,

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beloved brothers and our sisters, that our God has not
designed life to be experienced in a vacuum, but he
has designed the life, if you will, to be experienced
in an environment where He is the only real constant.
The fact of the matter is is that I can't
character is often sorely tested without warning.

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And were often, if you.

Speaker 13 (02:50:04):
Will, at a loss of words to even understand or
even to describe our situations. So when we find ourselves
in positions where we can't explain it, and we can't
share with people why we are where we are and
why we are going through what we're going through. What
usually happens is is that we just shrug our shoulders
and without having the words to say, well, look at people,

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and just declare and decree that stuff stuff happens. Sometimes,
I've learned what we do, beloved brothers and sisters, is
that we seek refuge in the port of human hurt.
And when we seek refuge in the port of human hurt,
we end up questioning, if you will, the unfairness of
it all, and with tears just rolling down our faces,

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we just begin to sit in silence, and or we
begin to sit in the corner and we just begin
to declare, God, why in the world is this happening
to me?

Speaker 21 (02:50:59):
Now?

Speaker 13 (02:50:59):
Given any capable fact that we must not only go
through trials in life, but also that we must tackle
everything that we go through, it is easy for us
to feel, beloved brothers and sisters, as if we are.

Speaker 21 (02:51:12):
Being treated unfairly.

Speaker 13 (02:51:14):
And many times when we feel this way, we won't
say it out loud, we won't declare it in the atmosphere,
but we'll think it.

Speaker 21 (02:51:21):
We'll think it and will begin.

Speaker 13 (02:51:23):
To converse with ourselves because of the simple fact that
we are facing so many challenges. We may not say
it out loud, but we feel like giving up. And
many of you, under the sign of my voice that
is sitting here, that you're hearing what I'm saying. And
I realize that I may not be talking to everybody,
and I'm a slow starter, but I promise y'all we're

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gonna get.

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There before the night is over.

Speaker 13 (02:51:46):
Many of you are may not say it out loud,
and many of y'all that have come here tonight you
may not want to be honest about it, but that's.

Speaker 21 (02:51:53):
Where you are.

Speaker 13 (02:51:54):
You're in a position, and you're in a place because
you've been challenged on every level. Because I'm dealing with
stuff that you didn't know how it even came into
your life. You're sitting back saying to yourself, I didn't
sow this, so I shouldn't have to reap this. So
this doesn't make sense that I'm dealing with some of
the issues and some of the challenges that I'm dealing with,
and God.

Speaker 21 (02:52:15):
I just literally feel like giving up.

Speaker 13 (02:52:18):
Many of you have come here tonight, and you came
to this particular convention, and you said it before you
left your house. God, if I can't get a word
this week. I promise you, this may be the last
time I show up. This may be the last time
I make any type of effort. God, If you don't
come in and deal with this situation quick, faster than
a hurry, I feel like I am about to just

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throw in the towel. And the truth of the matter
is is I want you to understand, beloved brothers and sisters,
without about anything.

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I want you to.

Speaker 13 (02:52:50):
Understand that that is where the enemy wants you. The
enemy warns you in a position. He wants you in
a place where you feel like giving up. And I've learned, beloved,
but when we get to that place where we feel
like giving up, what ends up happening is is that
we end up allowing despair to lead us to a
place called depression. And can I pause here to tell you,

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beloved brothers and sisters, that in this particular season, that
is where the enemy is trying to get you. He's
not trying to discourage you anymore. He's trying to let
that dog gone despair take you to a place of depression.
He wants the anxiety that you are dealing with, he

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wants the challenges that you are dealing with, to cause
you to think and or believe that where you are
right now is the plan and place of destiny of
God for your life. And he recognizes catch this that
if he gets you to a place called depression, that
you will stop seeking after God because your focus will

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not be seeking God. Your focus will be seeking pity
from people that don't.

Speaker 21 (02:54:00):
Even have the power to deliver you. Y'all gonna get
it in a few minutes. I feel like preaching. I
hope y'all praying with me.

Speaker 13 (02:54:06):
So what the enemy is trying to do now, beloved
brothers and sisters, is he's not trying to get you
to a place of despair anymore, because he understands that discouragement.
If you will in despair, that you can be encouraged.

Speaker 21 (02:54:18):
It's easy for us.

Speaker 13 (02:54:19):
To find encouragement in this particular season. All you got
to do is just pick up your cell phone. Go
to Facebook, go to Instagram, go to Twitter. That has
they are always some form of encouragement, some form of
affirmation that is at your disposal. Y'all looking at me like,
y'all know what I'm talking about. If you get discouraged,
you can always pick up the phone and call somebody,

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somebody somewhere will have a word of encouragement for you.
As a matter of fact, even during our sermon moments,
even during our times of preaching, we may have you
touch somebody, tap somebody, rub on somebody, look at somebody,
point in somebody's face and speak a.

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Word over your life.

Speaker 13 (02:54:59):
There is all always a place, a moment in time
when God will send.

Speaker 21 (02:55:05):
Encouragement and or you can seek and or find encouragement.

Speaker 13 (02:55:09):
And that's why the enemy is trying to get you
pass the whole point of discouragement and trying to get
you to a place called depression. Because depressed people, they
just want to walk around looking crazy.

Speaker 21 (02:55:19):
Y'all, ain't gonna talk to me.

Speaker 13 (02:55:21):
Depressed people just want to walk around looking as if
they don't have a friend in the world. Depressed people
just want to walk around and they want to feel like.

Speaker 21 (02:55:28):
They're hopeless and the helpless.

Speaker 13 (02:55:30):
But I stop by here to tell you, but love it,
brothers and or sisters, that this is not the season
for you to believe what the enemy has told you.
This is the season for you to make a conscious
decision that.

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I refuse to believe the report of the enemy.

Speaker 13 (02:55:45):
I refuse to believe the things that he's trying to
get me to believe about myself. I refuse to allow
myself to be stuck in a position and a place
where I'm going to believe the lies that have been
spoken over my life. Who's report are you going to believe?
I choose to believe the report of the Lord. And
the report of the Lord says that I'm the head

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and I'm not the tale. The report of the Lord
says I'm above only and I'm not beneath. The part
of the Lord says that I'll be a lender and
not a follower. Is there anybody in the House of
God tonight that understands that if you're going to rise
above your circumstances.

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That your mentality has to rise first.

Speaker 13 (02:56:25):
So it's an imperatively important, beloved brothers and sisters, that
you understand without anything else, what the enemy is striving
to do.

Speaker 21 (02:56:32):
He's trying to get you to a place cauned depression.

Speaker 13 (02:56:35):
Yet yet God suggested you, beloved brothers and sisters, I
suggest you today that God, God is infinite wisdom and
knowledge in your situation, in your circumstance, in your dilemma,
that he has literally created a built in purpose for
each trial that He allows in your lives, even those
that seem to hurt so much. God has a purpose

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and a plan for it. And can I pause here
to tell you what God does? What God does, and
I want you to catch this, family, What God does
is that God uses our trials thinking Holy Ghost as
opportunities for us watch this to embrace moments of greatness.

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For I've learned that true.

Speaker 13 (02:57:13):
Greatness is defined by one's desire to serve Christ in
the midst of crises, and not just on the mountaintop.
In other words, what I want you to understand is
that I've learned, Family, I've learned that it's easy for
us to praise and to worship and to magnify and
to glorify God when everything in our lives is going great.

Speaker 21 (02:57:33):
I've learned that it's.

Speaker 13 (02:57:34):
Easy for us to magnify and to glorify God when
everything in our lives is going the way that we
plan for them to go.

Speaker 21 (02:57:40):
It's easy for us to get God glory.

Speaker 13 (02:57:42):
When when we got checks that's coming in the mail,
and we got money in the bank, and our children
are doing everything that we need them to do, and
our wives and our husbands were on great terms, and
we got two cars in the garage, and hold up,
we got a garage.

Speaker 21 (02:57:58):
I can't get no help here.

Speaker 13 (02:57:59):
But it's easy for us to praise God when everything
is going the way that we plan for it to go.
But the true test of your relationship with Him is
not when everything is going the way you plan, But
the truth test of your relationship with God is can
you worship, magnify, glorify, and live a life that is.

Speaker 21 (02:58:19):
Alignment with Him? When they foreclose on your house?

Speaker 13 (02:58:22):
Can you can you live a life that is is
conducive and magnify God the way he deserves even when
they take your car, when your children are cutting the food,
when your relationship with God, your husband, and your wife
is in turmoil, can you open up your mouth and
give God the glory that he deserves then? Because the

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true test of your relationship with Him is not just
in mountain top experiences, but the true test of your
relationship is can I give God the glory he deserves
even when all hell is breaking loose in my life?
And I just want to pause here because some of
y'all came here in the midst of a halatious situation,
and you showed up wondering if you are going to

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get out before you go back home, and God sent
me by here to tell me if you act like
you out, I can't get no help in this house.
He says. If you act like you out, when you
get home, you will be out. You need to understand
that it's a faith move before it's a manifestation. So understanding,

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beloved brothers and sisters, understand, understand that the greatest, the greatness,
true greatness is rathers defined by our desire to serve
Christ in the midst of chrisis, and not just on
the mountaintop. However, beloved, the key thing that we must
remember is that God is doing something in us through
our trials. If you don't remember anything that I said
to you tonight, remember that even as you go.

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Through, God is in it with you.

Speaker 13 (02:59:51):
I'm gonna say that one more time, just for me.
I said, even as you go through, God is in
it with you. And you need to understand that His
own to gold is to build a creature that is
complete and entire in his relationship with his creator. And
that is why the apostle James, the blood brother of Jesus,
he dropped a bombshell, if you will in this letter

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to the beliefs of that day.

Speaker 21 (03:00:15):
In James chapter.

Speaker 13 (03:00:16):
Number one and verses twoth orst number fore nobody declares,
He says, my brother, and I love this text.

Speaker 21 (03:00:22):
He says, count it all joy, Thank you, Holy goes.

Speaker 13 (03:00:25):
When you fall into divers temptations, knowing this that the
trying of your faith, that it work with patients. But
let patients have her perfect work, that he may be
perfect and entire wanting nothing. Notice, notice, if you will,
doctor Smith. First number two is what I love, because
when I begin to look at verse number two, note

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if you.

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Will what James says.

Speaker 13 (03:00:48):
James says, come at all joy when you fall, and
not if you.

Speaker 21 (03:00:52):
Fall, y'all missed it. I saw it go past you.

Speaker 13 (03:00:54):
I want you to understand that, every last one of you,
under the sound of my voice, if you don't remember
anything that I said to not remember this, that you
have an appointment with failure. God is quiet in this
Presbyterian church. But I feel like preaching anyway. I said,
look at your neighbor and say you got an appointment
with failure. I know you may think you all that

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in a bag of chips. But you've got an appointment
with failure. Don't walk around here acting like you ain't
never did nothing, like you ain't never been through nothing.
Don't act like you ain't never fail slipped up, tripped up.
You got an appointment with failure. Simpler put that, if
you ain't had your appointment, your appointment is still in
the works. And that's why it's easy for us in
this season. I should be easy for us in this

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season to show grace and mercy to our brothers and
our sisters. Because when we show grace and mercy to
our brothers and our sisters when they slip up, mess up,
and trip up, that simple it means that we got
some grace and some mercy that's going to be released
our way. Stop looking down your nose that people fund
it when they mess up, and tell them but for

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the grace.

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He's some God there God.

Speaker 13 (03:02:03):
They all are gonna help me preach what I feel
like preaching anyway. Understand, beloved brothers and sisters, And you
got appointment with failure, appointment with failure, appointment with failure.
That's why he says to count it on joing, not if,
but when you fall into divers temptations. In other words,
he's declaring that we should expect hard times. He tells
us that followers of Christ that they're not exempt from

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troubles of this world, but not if you will. That
God doesn't leave us out there. God, God doesn't leave
us out there. God does not because not promise if
you will, to take us out of the trials. He
does not promise if you will, to take us out
of the struggle. But what He does promise is that
He will be with us in them. And that's that's
the most exciting thing about when I go through stuff,

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I'm excited.

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At the cause.

Speaker 13 (03:02:49):
People may be sometimey and they may distance themselves from
me when stuff begins to get difficult, but I can
stand firm and know that He even though I may
be by myself, I'm not alone. I can't get no help.
Even though I may be by myself, I'm not alone.
You touch your neighbor, and that's a good place to
touch your neighbor and tell him say, I'm by myself,

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but I'm not alone. And the reason why I know
I'm not alone because if God be for me, I
can't get no help. He's more than the world against me,
and I recognize that as long as I got God
on my side. If you walk off and leave me,
if you walk off and dismiss me, if you walk
off and disconnect from me, it makes no difference because
me and God are.

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Still the majority.

Speaker 13 (03:03:33):
I wish you would just touch your neighbor and tell
them saying, you not in this by yourself. You might
be standing by yourself, but you're not in this by
yourself because you got a God that sits high and
looks lowe, who's omniscient, who I'm not pressing.

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He's everywhere.

Speaker 13 (03:03:48):
At the same time, I wonder, is that anybody other
than me that can feel him right now? Just look
at somebody tell us how I feel him right? So
you need to understand, beloved brothers and sisters, that God
does not promise to take us out of the trial.
He doesn't promise to take us out of the struggle,
but he does say that he's going to be with
us in it. Notice that James also says, beloved brothers

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and sisters, that the trials and the testings that we
are facing are not in our lives to destroy us,
but they're in our lives to develop us. And to
strengthen us. That's why you don't need to run from
your trouble. Look at somebody, Speak to them, Speak to
them real fast, and tell them stop running from your struggle.
Y'all ain't hearing me tell them? Tell them say stop
the running from your struggle?

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Why?

Speaker 13 (03:04:33):
Bishop, Because I want you to understand that it's only
in your life to strengthen you. Y'all ain't getting to
be no help in here. It's only in your life
to build you. It's only in your life to make
you better. So finally, brothers and sisters, James, he also
says that when we understand the big picture, When we
understand the big picture, then we ought to be able

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at that particular point in time to rejoice not with
the weakened sincere praise the Lord, but with the sins
of gladness welling up from deep within us. We should
be able to lift our hands and bless God because
we understand watch this that he is working it out
in us. But not only is he working in us,
but he's also working it out for us, which leads us,

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beloved brothers and sisters, which takes us, if you will,
to the historical event that caused David to pin these
particular words, which is our subject texts understand what's happening
at this particular point in time, because the pilot begins
to let us know that this occasion for this particular psalm,
that it was for the dedication of the temple, and

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after a time of military success, just to lay some
background and give you all some history apartheis. The pilot
begins to let us know that David's pride, that it
got the best of him, and the Bible goes only
declares that he decides that he would conduct, if you will,
the senses of the people of Israel in order to
glory in the greatness of his kingdom. The Bible goes

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on and begins to let us know in the First Chronicles,
chapter number twenty one and verse number one, that he
is told specifically that Satan that he rolls up against
Israel and literally excited David to take a census. And
not only did he rise up and take a census,
but David was warned, if he will, by the general
of the army show haveb that this would be displeasing

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to God, but David overruled him and had him conduct
the census. Anyway, the Bible begins to let us know
that God is extremely disappointed in David's decision because David
did what Satan told him to do rather than listening
to what God told him to do. So then the
Bible says that God decides that he's going to discipline David,

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and in disciplining David for his active pride, God decides,
I'm going to discipline you, but I'm gonna give you
a choice of your punishments. I got to pause here
because that's deep to me. I always used to wonder
why it was that my mother gave me options, as
it pertains.

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To what she was gonna whoop me with. Y'all missed it.
I saw it go past year.

Speaker 13 (03:07:10):
I used to wonder why in the world did Mama
give me options. She would say, you can get it
with this belt, you can get it with this extension card.

Speaker 21 (03:07:19):
Y'all ain't talking to me.

Speaker 13 (03:07:20):
You can go out to the house and go outside
and bring me three switches so that I can braid
them babies together, so I can. Y'all looking at me strange,
But as I begin to read this text, I begin
to realize exactly what my.

Speaker 21 (03:07:37):
Mama got it from She got it from God.

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Because the Bible says that God gives David three options
as it pertains to his punishment. The first option that
he gives him is he says, you can take three
years of famine.

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And then God says, oh, you can do three.

Speaker 13 (03:07:54):
Months if you will of being swept away by your
enemies with the sword overtaking you. And then he said,
but the third option is three days of the sword
of the Lord, days of plague in the land, with
the Angel of the Lord ravaging every part of Israel.
The Bible begins to blow my mind because scripture declares
that David chooses of the three days of plague. However,

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beloved brothers and sisters, as I begin to do my
study in this particular passage, I begin to understand that
in the middle of the three days, the Bible begins
to let us know that the Lord was grieved because
of the calamity and said to the angel who was
destroying the people, enough, withdraw your hand. And the Bible

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says that at that moment, the Angel of the Lord
was standing at the thresting floor with the sword in
his hand, ready to strike the city of Jerusalem with
the plague, and the Bible says that David looks up
the hole, thank you Jesus. And when he looks up,
he saw the Angel of the Lord standing between the
heaven and the earth, with the Strong Lord in his

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hand extended over Jerusalem. And the Bible begins to let
us know that David paused and begin to pray to God.

Speaker 21 (03:09:07):
No nobody says in his prayer.

Speaker 13 (03:09:09):
He says, was it not I who ordered the fighting
men to be counted? He says, I am the one
who has sinned and done wrong?

Speaker 21 (03:09:19):
He said, these are but sheep. He says, what have
they done? O? Lord, my God, let.

Speaker 13 (03:09:25):
Your hand fall upon me and my family, But do
not let this plangu remain on your people.

Speaker 21 (03:09:32):
Can I pause?

Speaker 13 (03:09:33):
He to tell you, beloved brothers and sisters, that this
is what's so amazing about this text. What's so amazing
about this text is how God shows us how one
man's bad decision can affect everybody that he's connected to. Okay,
I'm gonna pause here for a few moments and let
this sink in.

Speaker 21 (03:09:52):
It shows us how one.

Speaker 13 (03:09:54):
Man's bad decision, how one man's prideful decision, how one
man an ego can mess up for everybody else. And
that's why can I pause here to talk to some
leaders in the house. I want you to understand, beloved,
that no matter what God does in your life, remain low.
I can't get no help here. I don't care how

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God causes you to a sin. I don't care how
God gets you platforms and has your name before people
make a decision that no matter what God does in
your life.

Speaker 21 (03:10:27):
That you don't take none of his glory.

Speaker 13 (03:10:29):
But you make a decision and say all the glory
belongs to God. Just look at somebody and telling them say, oh,
the glory belongs to him. I wish you would tell
your neighbor one more time.

Speaker 21 (03:10:42):
All the glory belongs to him.

Speaker 13 (03:10:44):
And the Bible begins to let us know, beloved brothers
and sisters, that David David, David David is in a
precarious position because after he prays, after he can decedes,
if you will on the behalf of the people. In response,
the Bible told Bible says that God told David through
the prophet Gad, if you will to build an altar

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on the threshing floor. The Bible begins to let us
know that David purchases the sight, and that he builds
an altar of the Lord, and he commands as the
Lord had commended. And the Bible says that he sacrifices
a burnt offering. And not only does he sacrifice a
burnt offering, but he also sacrifices a fellowship offering. Just
touch the neighbor and tell him, say, Bishop is going somewhere.

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Then the Lord, the Lord, the Bible says, he accepted
his sacrifices and answered, David would fire from heaven on
the altar of burnt offerings, as it declares in First Chronicles,
chapter number twenty one and verse number twenty six. And
this is where the Psalmist is in our text, because
you need to understand, if you will, the backdrop and

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the reasoning behind David writing what he wrote. Here, the
Psalmist is reflecting on what has transpired. He's reflecting on
his decision. He's reflecting on him being in a precarious
position because of his ego. He's reflecting on the fact
that because of the decision that he made, it put

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the people that were submitted to him.

Speaker 21 (03:12:16):
In a bad place.

Speaker 13 (03:12:18):
And then when God delivers out of that particular presision,
particular situation. The Bible declares that David writes this Psalm
of Thanksgiving, or rather this total psalm, and he starts
by saying, for words, what does he say, Bishop Marvin,
I'm so very glad you asked me.

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He said, the words I will. Extoll the understand that.

Speaker 13 (03:12:42):
The phrase I will, the phrase the phrase I will,
it is one word in the Hebrew aspect of scripture,
and that word I will, it literally means to think.
It means to meditate, or then and then to resolve again.
When he said I will, it literally means to think.
It means to meditate deeply, and then it means to resolve.

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Understand that this phrase speaks of agreement and unification of
the outward man working in harmony with the inward man,
rather working in harmony with the outward man. That this
phrase I will, it speaks conclusively and harmoniously about the
totality of our inner man. It speaks to the union
of our hearts, our minds, our spiritual and our physical frame.

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When David says I will, that it is a phrase
that speaks literally about all of me. Because I may,
I might, or I should, It leaves the possibility for
Dobbin's speculation to speak in But when he says I will,
it literally slams the door emphatically with a kind of
dogmatic emphasis. Look at somebody and say I will. When

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he says I will, he says that I've thought about it,
but I have come to a full resolve and.

Speaker 21 (03:13:53):
Now I have no reservation.

Speaker 13 (03:13:54):
I have no hesitation, nor do I have any procrastination
about the matter. David says I will, And when he
says I will, that is a phrase, if you will,
that speaks about our feelings.

Speaker 21 (03:14:06):
Our focus, and our faith.

Speaker 13 (03:14:07):
Shaking hands at the table of collaboration and mutual agreement,
David says that literally that I am rock solid and
that I am fully resolved to do one thing after
reflecting on all that I have done, and that is
when I look at what I've done, and when I
look at what God has done for me, I've may

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have been my mind that I only have one option,
and that option is to extole of these Notice, if
you will, that the word extole beloved brothers and sisters.
In the Hebrew aspect of scripture, it simply means to
raise or to lift up or to make a loud noise.

Speaker 21 (03:14:45):
In other words, what David is saying is after I've.

Speaker 13 (03:14:48):
Thought about what I did, and not only when I
thought about what I did, but when I thought about
what God has done for me, When I thought about
the decisions that I made, aid that may not have
been the right decisions to make, but I still look
at the fact that God, in his infinite wisdom and knowledge.

Speaker 21 (03:15:08):
Decided not to hold it against me.

Speaker 13 (03:15:12):
I got one choice and one focus in mind, and
that is to open up my mouth and to lift
up my voice and to make a loud noise.

Speaker 21 (03:15:24):
See some of y'all, y'all ain't never did nothing.

Speaker 13 (03:15:26):
That's why you act in the way you act to
But the truth of the matter is is that if
you would just take a few moments and reflect on
all the mess that nobody saw but God.

Speaker 21 (03:15:37):
If you would just take a few moments and reflect.

Speaker 13 (03:15:40):
On all the foolish and the botchery that you had
did that nobody saw but God. If you would just
take a few moments and reflect on the fact that
you are a filthy rag and that you are unworthy
to even be in this sanctuary today. Something on the
inside of you or to make you open up a

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moth and just bless God because he gave you another chance.
Just look at somebody and tell them say, I'm grateful
for another chance. That's what David is saying. David is
saying that I'm grateful for another chance. And that's where
we should be as believers, beloved brothers and sisters. After
we have thought about it, after we have weighed out
and pondered the matters in deep meditation, we should conclude,

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if you will, that from the rising of the sun
until the going down of the same, that the God
of our salivation, that he is worthy to be praised.
After we have itemized and after we have analyzed our lives,
we should conclude, beloved brothers and sisters, that He's been
better to us than we've been to ourselves. So, after
our feelings and our focus and our faith have all

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been factored in, our resolves should be to praise and
to exalt Him without any restriction. I wonder are there
any unrestricted praisers in the house? Oh God, is in
this Episcopalian church. I'm gonna say it one more time.
I wonder there any unrestricted praises? In other words, I

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don't need no music to praise the God of my salvation.
You ain't got to give me no track. The fact
of the matter is is that you don't know the
hell I had to come through. And if I don't
praise him, I just may cuss you out. If I
don't praise him, I just may go off. If I
don't praise him, I just make I'm going to extoll him.

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I'm going to extol him. I'm going I'm going to
extol him.

Speaker 32 (03:17:38):
But then as I begin to look at this particular
passage of scripture, as I begin to look at this
picture in particular passage of scripture, Bishop and Bishop Nelson,
I know I'm about to.

Speaker 13 (03:17:48):
Do something wrong. But I know, if I will not,
if you will, that there are two points that I
need to pull out the text. Now, I know I'm
supposed to pull three out, but but I'm just going
to grab two just for the sake of time to like,
because David begins to show us, he begins to give us,
if you will, two specific.

Speaker 21 (03:18:06):
Reasons for this worship moment.

Speaker 13 (03:18:09):
He says.

Speaker 21 (03:18:10):
Now I'm reflecting.

Speaker 13 (03:18:11):
I'm reflecting on what God has done for me in
spite of what I did to him, in spite of
my disobedience and in spite of me not doing it
the way that he wanted.

Speaker 6 (03:18:23):
Me to do it.

Speaker 13 (03:18:24):
And now I'm reflecting on this because I need to
share two reasons why this moment of worship at this
particular time.

Speaker 21 (03:18:35):
Is significant and needed.

Speaker 13 (03:18:38):
How about the two reasons, Miship Marvin, I'm so very
glad you asked me, because Number one, he says that
the reason for his praise is because of his awareness
that God had raised him up. Oh God is quiet here,
he says. He says, the reason for this praise is
because of my awareness that God has raised me.

Speaker 21 (03:18:58):
Prove it to me.

Speaker 13 (03:18:59):
It's right there in the t I just go to
verse number two. If you go to Psalms thirty first,
number two, know what the writer says. He says, Oh Lord,
my God, thank you, thank you. He says, I cried
unto thee, and thou hast healed me. He says, Oh Lord,
thou has brought up my soul from the grave. He
goes on and says, thou hast kept me alive. That

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I should not go down to the pitch. Understand, understand, understand,
beloved brothers and sisters, that the Hebrew word used for
the words brought up. Even though it's two words in
our Bible, it's only one word in the original text,
and it is the same word catch this that is use.

Speaker 21 (03:19:39):
It's the same word, the same word to use.

Speaker 13 (03:19:42):
That means if you will to draw up a bucket
out of a well or a pitch. I'm gonna say
that one more time, because that's good all by myself.

Speaker 21 (03:19:50):
I say it is the same word that's used.

Speaker 13 (03:19:53):
To talk about how a how a bucket is pulled
up from a well, are pulled up from a pit,
in other words, the psawmist with.

Speaker 21 (03:20:02):
Love the brothers and sisters.

Speaker 13 (03:20:04):
He's saying that the reason why I'm going to lift
the praise to God, He's saying, the reason why I'm
going to lift a praise to God, the reason the
reason why I'm going to lift a praise to God
is simply because He has lifted me.

Speaker 21 (03:20:23):
Y'all missed it. I saw go passion. David says, the reason.

Speaker 13 (03:20:26):
Why I'm going to lift a praise to God is
because God has lifted me. He describes, if you will,
his situation metaphorically as if he was trapped and deep
in a hole like water in a wall and then
what the psalmist is saying is the psawmist says that
God literally reached way down into that well that was

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dark and that he could not scale hisself out of,
and lifted him up out of his crises and or
his can Okay, let me make it a little more practical,
because some of y'all can understand it. But let me
make it more practical. Some of you all under the
sound of my voice. Remember when you got so caught
up you didn't know how you was going to get out? Oh,

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God is quiet again. You were so caught up that
you didn't know how you were going to make it.

Speaker 21 (03:21:17):
You he was so caught up. You didn't know how
you were going to get out of this situation.

Speaker 13 (03:21:21):
And it was dark, and you couldn't climb out of it,
You couldn't scale your way out of it. But aren't
you glad that God loved you so much that even
when you couldn't get out of the situation in your
own strength and with your own ingenuity, an't you glad
that God reached down and pulled you out of some
stuff that you could not pull yourself out of. Just

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look at somebody, tell us say, I'm glad he pulled
me out. Some of y'all still looking at me. I said,
look at your dog on neigha and say, I'm glad
that God.

Speaker 21 (03:21:53):
Pulling me out.

Speaker 13 (03:21:54):
Okay, some of y'all still spiritual. Okay, let me come
down your street even that much the quicker. Some of
y'all ought to be glad that when he was pulling you,
while he was covering you at the same time. Look
at your neighbors, say he pulled and covered. Y'all looking
at me strange because the reality is is that the
only reason why you still have influence is because he

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pulled and covered. The only reason why folk listen to
your testimony is because he pulled and covered.

Speaker 21 (03:22:20):
The only reason why some of us.

Speaker 13 (03:22:22):
Is sitting on this die is tonight, it's because he
pulled and covered everybody in this house. Or to lift
up your hands and give God glory because he was
pulling and covering all at the same time. Can I
preach like I feel like appreciate so understand, beloved brothers
and sisters.

Speaker 21 (03:22:42):
He's describing his situation.

Speaker 13 (03:22:44):
He's saying, the reason why I'm praising God because the
truth of the matter is is that he was pulling
me and covering me so he can maintain my influence.

Speaker 21 (03:22:54):
Ah, beloved brothers and sisters.

Speaker 13 (03:22:56):
But that's not the only reason that I'm almost finished,
Because I got seven minutes in twenty three twenty two,
twenty one seconds, and I'm almost finished.

Speaker 21 (03:23:04):
But he says, the first reason.

Speaker 13 (03:23:05):
Why I'm giving gone glover it, it's because of the
simple fact that I recognized that He raised me up
out of some stuff that I couldn't get myself out of.
I got myself in it, but I couldn't get myself
out of it.

Speaker 6 (03:23:20):
God.

Speaker 13 (03:23:20):
That's good. Wrong by myself. I might want to stay
there a little longer. I said, I got myself in it,
but I couldn't get myself out of it. Y'all looking
to me strange one more time? All my time, I
got myself in it, but I couldn't get myself out
of it. And what's a trip is is that God
saw it all the time, He saw me getting in it.
He knew I couldn't get myself out of it. But

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thanks for to God, I had enough sense to cry
out to him. See some of y'all the reason why
you still stuck because even when you get in it
you don't cry out to him. But I stopped by
here to encourage somebody tonight to tell you that you
may be down, but you ain't out. All you got
to do is just say, like the old saint's father eyes,
stretch my hand to thee.

Speaker 21 (03:24:04):
There's no other help. I know.

Speaker 13 (03:24:09):
Understand what's happening here now, beloved, because as we begin
to read this particular passage of Scripture, it's amazing to
me that the text begins to reveal to us that
the reason why David give God praise in the beginning
is because of the simple fact that he recognizes that
God has raised him up. But then there's the second reason,
as I rushed to my clothes. The second reason, beloved

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brothers and sisters, that David says that I'm going to
praise God is he says, I'm praising God catch this
because he has not allowed my enemies to reach choice
or get the victory over me.

Speaker 21 (03:24:45):
That's good all by myself. I'm gonna say that, Kain.
He says, I'm.

Speaker 13 (03:24:48):
Giving God chlovy because he has not allowed, if you will,
my enemies or my foes to get the victory over me,
not even to reach choice over me, prove.

Speaker 16 (03:25:00):
It to me.

Speaker 13 (03:25:01):
Bishop Barbin is right there in Songs, chapter thirty. Just
look at first number one, Beloved Brothers and sisters. He says,
I will extol thee o Lord that thou hast lifted
me up.

Speaker 21 (03:25:11):
Y'all got it. It has not made my foes to
rechoice over me.

Speaker 13 (03:25:18):
Understand, beloved brothers and sisters, if you have not learned
this yet, you should have learned.

Speaker 21 (03:25:23):
It by now.

Speaker 13 (03:25:24):
And if you haven't learned it by now, I'm about
to give you some important information. The information I need
to give you is the fact that real it in
me is they never sleep, family, They never sleep. They plot,
they plan, and they scheme and dream of ways to
try to bring you down. I'm talking about real enemies, y'all.

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Real enemies aren't happy unless you are sad. They love
to hear that you are struggling. They love to hear
and to see you cry. But what blew my mind
is when I begin to look at this Bishop Mark,
and I look at the word foes in the original Hebrew,
and I've learned that the word foes in the original
Hebrew simply means one who hates. So David is saying

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beloved brothers and sisters, He says, the reason why I
praise God.

Speaker 21 (03:26:15):
I praise God for my.

Speaker 13 (03:26:16):
Deliverance from my haters who have planned my demise. Do
you not know, beloved brothers and sisters, that there are
some people that are sitting close to you even as
we speak. They smiling in your face, always trying to
take your place. Y'all can't help me their backstabbers. Y'all

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got folks sitting next to you, Folks that you flew
here with, Folks that you.

Speaker 6 (03:26:42):
In the room with.

Speaker 13 (03:26:43):
Y'all, they're gonna talk to me. They don't want to
see you accomplished. They don't want to see you succeed.
Y'all looking at me strange. There are people that are
in your life who have literally been assigned to try
to keep you down, pew down, pew dow

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