MAGA Targets Black Votes: Texas/La. Fight Back, Job Market Woes, Deportee Returns, Booker-Cruz Clash

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Today's Friday, June sixth, twenty twenty five, coming up on
Roland Martin on the bullet to streaming live of the
Black Starting Network. I keep telling you all these maga
nutcases are trying to do all they can to steal
the vote from us. Will show you what is happening
in Arran County, Texas where for what worth is where
they're trying to readraw the lines and they wouldn't even

(00:37):
have the folk who the county is paying for to
redraw the lines testify in public. The black county commissioner
that went off on them. Then, were going to show
you what happened in Louisiana where they were talking about
diging there where this white Republican just got embarrassed by
this black state rep Oh it's delicious. I can't wait

(00:59):
to show that. Plus send the Cory Booker goes off
on Ted Cruz and we've got that for you as well.
Plus cons Woman Event Clark launches the Creators Caucus. We
were we were there cover the news conference. We got
that for you as well. Plus job data data is out.
We told y'all Trump was gonna screw this thing up.

(01:19):
We'll tell you what went down. Also, folks will talk
about the growing mental health crisis among African Americans young
and old. Lots of plus to break down. And of
course those two idiots, Trump and Muster are still going
at it. It's time to bring the funk. I'm rolling
Martin on fil A, Blackstar Network. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
The best he's sell it.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
What got.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
To believes he's right on time and is strolling best.
Believe he's going.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Funk.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
He's lost and news to politics, entertainment just fucks. He's it's.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
He's spoky stress, she's real the question.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
No, he's proven.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
All right, folks mixed message with our first jobs report
for the month of Julne, one hundred three and nine
thousand jobs were added, But you also have unemployment claims increasing.
Uh Morgan Debond, she is, I'm sorry I talked about Morgan.
That's what she would add for she was. Morgan Harper,
director of Policy and Advocacy of the American Economic Liberty Product,
joined us right now. I'm morganting glad to have you.

(02:55):
Uh yeah, yeah, Look at Morgan. Must got a new camera,
some new lighting. Look at shit, look at you.

Speaker 7 (03:01):
It's a summer glow.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yes, if sum were glowing. It's an economic glow. So
break down for us these.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
These numbers, not from these numbers.

Speaker 8 (03:10):
Well, so it's really interesting, Rolin, because you know, the
overall picture is kind of positive if you don't look
into the details.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
And so we saw the stock.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh, I love that. It's positive if you don't look
at the details.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Exactly, which is which is what people usually are doing.

Speaker 9 (03:25):
Right.

Speaker 7 (03:25):
So if you just Gland said, the news is.

Speaker 8 (03:27):
Like, okay, jobs were added, the stock market went up
in response. But then we have to look under the
hood of what's going on in these numbers, and that's
where you start to see some of the vulnerabilities that
we've been talking about over the last couple of months
that could come from the federal policies that are coming
from you.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
Know, the administration that tear us all that. So what
do I mean by that?

Speaker 8 (03:45):
Okay, so yes, technically and accurately, because we also don't
have any reason yet to believe that the data is inaccurate.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
But that's something to continue to watch.

Speaker 8 (03:54):
Over one hundred and thirty thousand jobs were created, the
unemployment rates stayed pretty steady, but we are seeing job
losses in some of the sectors that kind of matter,
especially if we're trying to, you know, bring back American manufacturing.
Manufacturing jobs went down, retail jobs went down. These are
two industries that are impacted by trade quite directly. And

(04:16):
then the average overall number of jobs that are being
created this year is among the lowest average in over
a decade. So the trends are not looking good. And
you know, in addition to labor participation falling, so a
lot of people are just leaving the workforce. And then
also the numbers is what are they doing. Some of
the surveys are showing a lot of people are going

(04:38):
back to school.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
That's usually a sign too.

Speaker 8 (04:40):
And on the ground, people are not optimisticly that they're
going to be able to get a job. It's like,
let me just get out of this altogether and take
a little bit of a break from the labor market.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Got in the right way. Trump people like, well, this
is Buy's economy, not is Trump's economy.

Speaker 8 (04:56):
Yeah, I mean, of course that's going to be a
political talking point. But when we see things like you
know that we had talked about last month, there was
a bump in the number of jobs in the transportation
and warehouse sectors for example, that seems and that's completely
gone away. Why would that change one month to another.
That seems pretty likely that there were businesses that were
in response to the tariffs or the threat of terriffs.

(05:18):
We're trying to stock up and a lot of their materials,
so before they would have to pay any increase in tariffs,
and now they've done that and they don't have to
do that anymore. So there's no more jobs coming from that.
And so yes, I mean a lot of times with
these numbers, I think people will try to blame, you know,
for political reasons, blame the other side or whatever.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
But this is data.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
This is data that we see every month, and the
data is showing signs and a lot of you know,
different types of folks agree that the labor market is
likely slowing down. Is it slowing down and we're rushing
into a recession tomorrow? No, I mean, overall, more jobs
are being created, but these are not positive signs of
a robust economy that's seeing record growth by any means.

(06:00):
And especially again, I do want to emphasize this point
on manufacturing job losses. And so if a lot of
the point of the tariffs and the trade policy is
to rebuild American manufacturing. What we haven't seen from the
administration is any plan to actually invest in doing that,
and so what we're likely to continue to see are

(06:20):
negative impacts that come to the economy as a result
of some of this uncertainty or just an increase in
costs for businesses.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, you know, I got a kick. It's always hilarious
to look at the right wingers on Fox because they'll
try to spin anything. And it was Stuart Varney that
they hit an ant list on and to your point
right there about those manufacturing jobs. He was perplexed. Watch this.

Speaker 10 (06:46):
Now, eight thousand manufacturing jobs were lost in May. That's
not what you wanted to see.

Speaker 11 (06:54):
Well, we're certainly holding steady and under the Trump administration,
manufacturing jobs are still up over what the last administration
under Biden had. The focus of my America at Work
tour is to increase those manufacturing jobs, and we'll continue
to stay laser focused on that as the President continues
to double down on how important this is to the
American economy.

Speaker 10 (07:15):
But how come we're losing eight thousand manufacturing jobs in
May when there's a big push to bring manufacturing jobs
back to America. How come we're losing those jobs.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Well, we're certainly holding steady.

Speaker 11 (07:28):
And as we increase construction jobs, as we can increase
healthcare jobs, and again that focus on building those manufacturing plants.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
It will take some time.

Speaker 11 (07:38):
The President has done a wonderful job in negotiating the
level playing field, you know, as far as the tariff
discussions have gone. But those onshoring of those jobs, we're
seeing tens of trillions of dollars being reinvested here in
the United States. And I'll continue to focus on that
skilled workforce as those manufacturing jobs continue to.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Grow morey you eleven, you can't beholding steady if you're losing.

Speaker 8 (08:08):
Well and see, and this is why we have to
pay attention to a little bit of the details, because
she's trying to get people to pay attention to the
top line number. Are jobs being created, Yes, one hundred
and thirty nine thousand of them, But his question was
about are they being created in the sector that you
all tell us we're supposed to be seeing growth in,
which is manufacturing. And the answer to that is just

(08:28):
it's not controversial, it's just no. The data from this
month shows that eight thousand manufacturing jobs have been lost
over the last month. Where are the jobs being created.
The jobs are being created in healthcare. What drives healthcare
jobs being created? I mean, you know, we're all hypothesized
a bit here, but we have an aging population. As
people age, they tend to need more medical care, So

(08:49):
it makes sense that that would require more jobs. But
you know what, that isn't a long term growth strategy
for a country. If you have your job creation coming
solely from or predominantly solely, but predominantly coming from healthcare jobs,
that's not a future looking at economy. That's not rebuilding America.
And so it's just kind of funny because you know,
they're going to continue to try to focus on the

(09:12):
top line numbers, and we have to continue we the
American people have to continue to focus on the truth
and the data, and you just got to go one
layer below that to really get the full picture.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
But people also need to understand, and people who don't
own businesses know what that made wephrase that whether you
own a business or you work for one, you need
to understand what why why. Uncertainty is an issue because
businesses that are uncertain, meaning corporate leaders or owners who

(09:47):
are uncertain of what's happening economically. That means if you're
an employee, you might be without a job. I mean,
so this I remember I was having a conversation with
a former colleague of Mind at TV one and talking
about this is back in twenty twenty, and I was
talking about, you know, we did a profit in twenty
and twenty that was a presidential election year. And we

(10:09):
were having a conversation and she said, are you gonna
get your employees bonuses? I said no. She's like why not?
I said, okay, let me walk you through this. I said,
this is what the profit. I said, this is what
the profit was. I said, when you have a very
good year, you're going to pay taxes. I said, Unfortunately,

(10:29):
are these corporations small businesses. We can't just run money
offshore and hit money in Ireland, you know, and make
billions and pay no taxes. I said, So, now here's
the issue that I have to deal with. I'm gonna
have to pay taxes, which means that that money is
coming out of what that profit is. I said. I

(10:49):
also need to have enough money to cover all of
my expenses for a minimum of four months. I said,
just in case the advertising market drops out. I said,
So I can't go, oh, well, we did this per
month in twenty twenty, so therefore this is how we're
gonna do in twenty twenty one. It's not how this works.

(11:12):
And so that's what you're doing. I was talking to
a sister and she's a sexologist, and she has a
sex institute and she sells products. And she said to me,
she said, man, my business has been greatly impacted, she said,
because FedEx won't even deliver my products unless I give

(11:37):
them a twenty five thousand dollars check. She said, So,
here's a customer that buys something that last month, three
months ago, that product costs fifty four dollars a bottle.
Now that same product is sixty dollars or sixty five seventy,
and she is not she is not bringing in inventory

(12:02):
because she has to pay for the inventory up front
because of the tears. And so that's the notion of uncertainty.
That's what we're looking at. Companies are like, y'o, we
don't know what's gonna go down. So hey, we ain't spending,
we not building, we ain't developing, not gonna be any raises.
We're not hiring, we're freezing bonuses because you don't know

(12:27):
if you're gonna look up and you're paying twenty thirty
forty percent more because this fool's tears and you know
what side of the band is gonna wake up on
on any given day.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
Yeah, I think that's a really important point, roll, And
it's kind of like what you describe as the best
case scenario. You know, if you're a large company, you
have the inventory to kind of ride the wave a
little bit, you can float a little bit, see how
this all goes. At a best case scenario, you just pause.
But the situation you're describing with a small business owner
or yourself, you don't have. You don't have that say, flexibility,

(13:01):
and so this can really be, you know, the kiss
of death to a lot of small business owners. So
the impacts from this are far reaching, from the uncertainty
and the federal policy making far reaching. And again, I
mean it's just we got to be monitoring this every day.
I mean, it's good or better that there was a
decision made to not do a really unstrategic across the

(13:21):
board tariff operation, right, and some courts now are starting
to push back, but the overall environment is still extremely uncertain,
and especially the smaller of a business you are, the
more independent, the more vulnerable you're.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Going to be to that uncertainty.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Well, people to really understand that, And I get it.
I get employees that are frustrated, but employees need to
understand from a business owner standpoint, the business owner is
the last person who's gonna be standing and everybody else,
everybody else that works for a company, or when you say, well,

(14:07):
we need this, we need that. I've literally had to
tell people I need you to who've been complaining to
people who are in the media space, and they've been like, man,
I'm building this, but man, you know you know all
his explicits are killing me. I said, you do know
that everybody around you sees us an ATM machine. I said,
you are the ATM machine. You're paying salaries, you're paying

(14:29):
for space, you're paying for equipment. I said all I said,
you are the ATM machine. Your job is to manage
expenses because you have the look at that bottom line.
And with this fool here Trump, you don't again, it's
so uncertain. He wakes up terras, then they are gonna
go up and then no, then that you don't know
what country's gonna hit. You have no idea, and so

(14:51):
the smartest business thing is, like, you know what, I'm
just gonna sit pack and just hope this thing shakes
out in read it six months.

Speaker 12 (15:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
And yeah, and if you, if you can, and so
if you can, if you can, if you exactly.

Speaker 8 (15:09):
I think it's a charge for all of us to
really step up and support our small businesses. We have
the ago, I mean you talk about that a lot
role and have the ability to influence the economy with
our dollars directly.

Speaker 7 (15:20):
And this is a time where we really.

Speaker 8 (15:22):
Do need to do what we can and make sure
that we're supporting each other because yeah, a lot of
our a lot of our folks are not going to
be able to withstand this level of uncertainty that the
administration is inflecting.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
All right, then, Morgan, I appreciate it.

Speaker 12 (15:34):
Thanks a lot, good to see you.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I got to go to break. We'll be right back.
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Now that Roland Martin is ruling to give me the blueprint,
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The only way I can do what I'm doing.

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What should it be? The show My Pot show at
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Well, whatever show it's gonna be.

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It's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
All right, folks, let's talk about all of this with
our panel, and just understand we just talked about those
job numbers. The black uneplumbing rate remains high at six
point two percent, almost double that of white workers. Black
men undeplumbing rate dropped to five point two percent. Black
women lost more than one hundred thousand jobs in unemployment
roads to six point one percent. Joining us right now

(17:46):
is Matt Manning, civil rights attorney out of Corpus, Christie
Tyler macmillan social justice leader and movement strategist, and also
Michael m. Hotep, hosts African African History Network show out
of Detroit. Tyler, I'll start with you. I just it's
just hilarious to listen to these people who go, yeah,
you know, uh uh yeah, just economy bids economy. So

(18:09):
it's it's it's like, really so good stuff, it's yours
bad stuff, it's his. Nah. Republicans have to accept the
reality that this is now gum, You've been there four months.
It's all on Trump and the Republican Party.

Speaker 18 (18:25):
Absolutely, And I think it says that a steady jobs
report doesn't mean that we're are that we're our communities
are safe and you know, in a good space. There
has said young black workers in places like Columbus and
Cleveland just don't need jobs. They need uh, they need
living wages, they need access to healthcare, and and there

(18:48):
must be an investment there. And so I think we're
seeing a lot of corporate consolidations. And so just because
the numbers are showing does not mean that black folks
are out are out of the no, out of the red.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
You know. And Matt, when I try to explain to
people about uncertainty, I mean perfect example two months ago
talking to Carroll Otur producers, like how many interns we're
going to have. I don't know where we're going to
have two? Three. I chose to go with five. But again,
you make those decisions because you don't know where you're
going to be economically in the next three to six months.

(19:24):
Because of the chaos agent that sits in sixteen hundred
Pennsylvania Avenue.

Speaker 12 (19:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right.

Speaker 19 (19:33):
And you know, I'm not the person who owns this
law firm, but my managing partner surely has to consider
a number of things when he's forecasting, you know, what
the firm is going to do for the next couple
of months, but in the year. But it's interesting you
talk about chaos agents because there was a story in
Axios this past week talking about the CEO of Anthropic And,
which is an AI company, and talking about how AI

(19:55):
is going to be knocking out the bottom rungs of
the ladders in terms of entry level jobs and law
on Wall Street and across a number of sectors. And
what I was hoping to ask Morgan is really what
she thinks that means it's going to look like for
the next several months of jobs forecast. I know they
were talking a couple of years out with that, but
that's what really concerns me is a chaos agent, because

(20:15):
you know, all of these big companies are planning layoffs
and are laying people off because of the advent of technology,
and I'm wondering what that cascade effect is going to
look like for future jobs reports and what people can
be doing to insulate themselves now beyond obviously learning AI
and becoming certified in various AI topics.

Speaker 12 (20:33):
But that's a chaos.

Speaker 19 (20:34):
Agent that I think will be unwildy beyond the government's control,
but also requires, you know, smart policy from the government
to make sure that they are finding a way to
regulate that to ensure that you know, jobs stay stable.
So I'm interested in seeing what that's going to look like.
To your point about uncertainty.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm not try to pull this up. I saw a
post where Robert Smith, who of course is the richest
African American in the world in the country, Robert Smith
was at a conference and he predicted, here, here we go. Okay,

(21:23):
this is the hold up. This is a Bloomberg article.
It's behind the paywall. But I can get around that.
So give me a second to go to another website
to get around at paywall so I can show y'all
this article, which I thought was whoa I mean, first
of all, the article was scary as hell. Here we go,

(21:46):
so Robert Smith said this. The CEO says AI to
force sixty percent of super return crowd to seek work.
He says, we think that next year, forty percent of
the peace people at this conference will have an AI
agent and the remaining sixty percent will be looking for work,

(22:07):
and that that's a problem. So what you're talking about
is something that people have to recognize, Michael, what bat
said is real. I mean, you know, we're talking a
major disruption. We're talking researching jobs, We're talking legal assistance,

(22:28):
pair of legals. I mean, we're talking all sorts of things.
It's totally changing. And if people don't understand, I mean
we talk about automation, this is the exact same thing.
How automation completely change this country going from an industrial
nation to automation. When you look at the jobs that
you no longer have, you no longer have bank teller jobs,

(22:51):
you no longer have supermarket checkout jobs. Those were jobs
and a lot of middle class people had, people who
didn't go to college, who had high school diplomas. It's
now going to get worse, and as you continue, people
need to really come to grips with what the future
is going to hold for this country.

Speaker 20 (23:12):
Absolutely, Roland, you know, so this is something that has
been predicted, dealing with AI artificial intelligence, not a one
as Secretary of Education Linda McMahon.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
Called it a one AI.

Speaker 20 (23:27):
Artificial intelligence is going to eliminate jobs. We saw also
when the actors had their strike last year, that was
one of the issues that they wanted to get assurances
on that, you know, various jobs, et cetera, not be
eliminated because of artificial intelligence. But at the same time
that's taking place, there has to be increased regulation on

(23:50):
artificial intelligence, which is one of the reasons why Elon
Musk invested two hundred and ninety million dollars to get
Donald Trump elected to get more favorable regulation over artificial intelligence.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
And you have to have lawmakers.

Speaker 20 (24:07):
Who have knowledge of how artificial intelligence works. One of
the criticism of some of the lawmakers in the House
of Representatives but also in the US Senate is that
many of them, and I'm not trying to age discriminate,
but many of them are so old that they don't
understand how the technology works. So if you don't understand
how the technology works, you're not going to really understand

(24:29):
how it needs to be regulated.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now that they have that. But and nou, first of all,
to your point there the Hollywood reporter did this story
last year. This is and so Tyler Perry was at
a conference and Tyler was in the middle of he
was starting an eight hundred million dollar expansion of his
Atlanta studio, and when he saw open AI sora, he said,

(24:53):
oh my god. And then and then all of a
sudden he saw their tech, the video model, and he says,
this is what he said. Being told that it can
do all of these things is one thing, but actually
seeing the capabilities it was mind blowing. Noting that his
productions might not have to travel to locations or build
sets with the assistance of the technology. I mean, dude,

(25:17):
it's it's like people don't understand it. I saw there
was a guy. There was a guy he posted, so
Google dropped there some this AI tech last week and
I'm gonna show you this a and pharmaceutical commercial. And

(25:39):
so this guy talked about how he spent, how he spent,
how he would be hired to do a pharmaceutical commercial.
He said, it will cost half a million dollars to
do this commercial. He said that when he spent I

(25:59):
think he said he spent five hundred bucks with this
Google tool that created a commercial that you swore was
produced for five hundred thousand dollars. In fact, this is

(26:20):
like what I'm about to show y'all. This is This
was just a straight up This was a straight up
AI commercial. This is not These are not actors. This
was created with a Google tool and I think it
cost five hundred dollars. I want you to look at
it and listen to it, and I want you to

(26:41):
while you're doing it, to think about how many people
would work on a production like this, shooting, lighting, editing, graphics, actors,
you name it. That was all done with an AI too.
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Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh boy, bruh, Yes, that was all Ai. Right, yep,
I need people watching and listening to understand the number
that that was. No, that's that's no production staff. That's

(28:32):
that's no script writers, no shooters, no editors, no grip,
no lighting people, no, no cinematographer no no, no location people,
no actors, no nothing. That's just one example.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Yes, yep, you know.

Speaker 20 (28:50):
And and this is something that a lot of people
have seen coming. And if you go back, you had
your vet Nicole Brown actress no vet Nicole Brown on
the show last I think at least twice during the
actors strike.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
And these are things that they were talking about.

Speaker 20 (29:09):
These are things they're talking about eliminating tons of jobs
in the industry, not just people in front of the camera,
not just actors and actresses. And remember that old slogan
last high, first five as well, that applies to black people.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
But also behind the camera.

Speaker 20 (29:24):
But then you look at contracts to provide food catering
to the sets when they have productions, when they're shooting movies,
when they're shooting commercials. You look at transportation services to
and from the production set, things of this nature. So
we're talking about something totally revolutionizing the industry and how

(29:49):
work is done, and we're going to pay the cost
of this. And at the same time, when you look
at these jobs numbers, twenty two thousand federal jobs.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Are lost in May and fifty nine.

Speaker 20 (29:59):
Thousand federal jobs have been lost since January of twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
African Americans make up.

Speaker 20 (30:05):
Nineteen percent of the two point three million federal employees.
It's less than two point three million federal employees now, okay, so.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
We really have to be paying attention and preparing for this.

Speaker 20 (30:18):
All this has taken place, and we saw the label
market lost six hundred and fifty two thousand people in May,
and the peace from the Washington Post talks about how
more than one million foreign born workers have exited the
workforce since March of twenty twenty five. So I thought
that when you got rid of immigrants and undocumented immigrants,

(30:40):
I thought all these people were going to take their jobs.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
What happened to that, Roland? What happened to? They're taking
white people's jobs.

Speaker 20 (30:47):
Why aren't white people filling these one million jobs that
these immigrants had.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
The reason we laid this out, it's because we really
need people to understand how this is going to continue. Tyler.
We're going to be seeing this, and I just need
people to prepare for what this future looks like, because
it's real. This is happening as we speak right now. Tyler.

Speaker 18 (31:28):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think the question that I'm asking
is like what's next? Like, if we're already seeing this
level of effect, where as you said, it's ai and
it's taking away from the hundreds of jobs that will
put food on people stable, Like, what's next, How are
people supposed to provide for their families? How do people
support and you know, pay bills if tools like this

(31:53):
is overtaking real jobs, And so it's really the question
of what's next and how are we going to regulate
you know. Uh, I think I think it's it's a
double edged sword to a point where we see the
benefits of AI, but at the same time there must
be uh some some leverage on it of what goes

(32:14):
too far and how do we still be connected to
the human nature of the humanity of it and keeping
folks plugged in and active because folks will get comfortable
and just going sit sit on the couch, and we
need folks to get up and actually know what labor
is and know what is so.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, I think what we have to understand. I think
what they're to understand is this is going to benefit
the employer. Let me let me just as frank as possible.
And I need people to understand what I'm talking about here, Michael,
and that is, uh, the employer is going to be
benefiting the person who owns the company. Uh. This is

(32:55):
going to mean that more money in their pockets. They're
going to have to hire fewer people. People need to
understand this reality.

Speaker 20 (33:04):
Oh, absolutely is going to eliminate a lot of people
who are employees. And I'm all for people starting businesses.
And because I know people are going to start selling
entrepreneurship classes on how to start a business in the
entertainment industry in the age of AI and things like that,
because that's a stream of income for them teaching the classes.

(33:27):
I'm all for starting the business, but what you're is
not going to be the same as the employment opportunities
that people were getting, as well as the residual that
that they're getting on the commercials and on TV shows,
things that, things of this nature. So this is one

(33:48):
of the reasons why there has to be more regulation
when it comes to artificial intelligence, because you're going to
see more unemployment numbers.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
Its going is the unemployment numbers are going to get worse.

Speaker 20 (34:01):
When you read this report from the Bureau Livery Statistics,
we see SAFT spots in.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
The unemployment numbers.

Speaker 20 (34:07):
And just to compare this to November twenty twenty four,
there were two hundred and twelve jobs created in November
twenty twenty four when Biden was still in office, and
the unemployment rate was four point one percent compared to
one hundred and thirty nine thousand jobs created in May
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
And Donald Trump is trying to take a victory lack.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, well again, I just want people to understand how
technology is actually going to be changing the game. We
come back, folks, were going to talk about that where
there's a content Creator's caucus that's starting in the US House.
We're going to tell you about that next right here.
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Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yesterday, two members of Congress announced the creation of the
content the Congressional Creators Caucus that looks at the you know,
the this not emerging what is really now seventy billion
dollar industry of when it comes to content creators. And
so that's you know, folks who are there are people

(38:31):
who are on TikTok, who on Instagram, people who are
again who are creating content. Well, guess what these are
also business owners. These are entrepreneurs. Congresswoman Eva Clark, who
chairs the Congression of Black Caucus, and Texas Congresswoman Bevan
Done hosted the news conference launching the bipartisan Congressional Creators Caucus.

(38:52):
The first of his kind, is aimings to bring the
voices of online content creators into the public policy arena,
helping educate lawmakers on the unique challenge the digital entrepreneur's
face as the modern as the economy. This is this
new able startups, and we spoke to several creators in
attendance in addition to talking to both members of Congress.

(39:12):
Here is Congresswoman Evett Clark. Okay, all right, we don't
have Congswoman Event Clark, but I do. Okay, all right,
here's my conversation yesterday y'all with Congressomenan Event Clark. Well,
how did this originate? How did the idea start?

Speaker 17 (39:32):
Well, I know so in our office we have been
having a lot of conversation about what happened when the
whole idea of the TikTok band came up. And we
heard from a number because I'm on the Committee of.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Jurisdiction or Energy and Commrade.

Speaker 17 (39:48):
That there were so many folks who you know, lamented
that their businesses will be stifful should this occur. When
it was about to occur, and it was very clear
to us in my office and throughout the work that
I've been doing that this ecosystem of content creators weren't
being her, that there was no place for them to

(40:11):
engage with Members of Congress policymakers, and this was an
emergent industry that needed to be a part of sort
of the overall dynamics when we're talking about entrepreneurship, when
we're talking about small business, and we're talking about emerging industries,
and so between myself and my staff, we said, we

(40:32):
got to get this talk is going.

Speaker 12 (40:34):
I sent her from.

Speaker 17 (40:35):
A number of folks, particularly in the legal community, who
helped people with ownership, help people with branding and things
of that nature, who thought that this was an important
thing for us to do encourage us to do it.
My staff then looked at the fact that we wanted
to do something bipartisan and who we could get among
colleagues on the other side of our aisle best stepped

(40:57):
out and heads here we are today.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Same thing happened when cash app made some changes, like
I had to deal with them on that where they
changed their their rules as to what type of companies
could have an account and so because the type of
incorporation we are, they shut down all the accounts. Wow,
And that even caught there a lot of people by surprise,

(41:23):
and so like we had to literally switch how people
could contribute to our show that impact a lot of
nonprofits as well, and so that we can't have.

Speaker 17 (41:32):
That type of disruptive behavior taking place.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
And it was immediate. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, well, I mean.

Speaker 17 (41:38):
You know, they were in a powerful position and they
felt that that was something that.

Speaker 25 (41:43):
They could do.

Speaker 17 (41:43):
There was nothing that governed how they would treat our
online platforms and out growing and emerging businesses. We want
to be able to bring them to the table and
talk about business practices that helped facilitate the growth. What
are the obstacles that they may see, or what was
the risk or vulnerability that they were trying to avoid,

(42:05):
or was it based on some sort of discriminatory practice.
These are the things and things we want to get
to the bottom up well.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
And one of the things that I think also Congress
will be looking at. When you look at federal government
spins of billion dollars a year on advertising, most of
that nearly all of that goes to linear broadcasts on
traditional print. In digital is often frozen out of those
ad dollars, especially black owned media.

Speaker 17 (42:29):
And that's why it's important that this is a bipartisan
effort because at the end of the day, all of
us need to be conscious of the fact of the
sort of evolving growth and development of the online platform
ecosystem and the fact that there's a major shift that
is taking place, and so how we advertise what we

(42:53):
do as a federal government has to be reflective of
that shift.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
This well, all right, we appreciate it, all right, thanks
a bunch, ye.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
Wives, Bornia my channel. You can just look up my
name Isaac Crochell on really any platform.

Speaker 23 (43:08):
But for me, having creators have representation to some degree,
starting to have the conversations around everything that affect creators,
legitimizing creators and what they're doing, and recognizing it as
a true business, There's nothing more important. So I'm excited
to just be a part of the conversation.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
And help in any way that I can. And what
type of content do you make?

Speaker 23 (43:29):
Lifestyle, sports, workout kind of everything. My wife does the
same thing in our in our own regard, so.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
That's my content. Check me out. But again, nothing more
important than having a voice. So super excited about this.
The Creator Caucus is.

Speaker 26 (43:46):
Incredibly important because creators there are such an increasingly important
part of the ecosystemic all theech economy in the US.
They are you know, there's I think one point five
million jobs estimated in the creator economy, and the YouTube
ecosystem alone has something like five hundred thousand full time
equipment jobs or thereabout in the US alone. So as

(44:08):
this becomes a bigger part of the economy, a bigger
part of the media landscape, we thought it was really
important for creators to have a direct pathway to talk
with members of Congress to understand the issues that impact them.
You know, there are such great advocates for their perspective,
and they represent such a diverse constituency of interests across
the country by you know, different parts of the country,
they know where they work in, the different types of
content they produce. It's really just hard to understand unless

(44:32):
you're talking with them directly. So we're really excited that
members are interested in learning more about the caucus and
working directly with creators.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
I think and then just in your name entitle for meat. Yes,
I'm Evan Egstrom.

Speaker 26 (44:43):
I am the public policy team at YouTube, the senior
manager of Creator Policy.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
We need more legislation around content creators and protecting our
content right now. The only thing I really exist are
things like trademarks and things like that. But when you
say your contest sometimes choose by other people without your consent,
it really te loose the importance of what we do.
So having this as a step forward, crease that legislation
and a foundational guidelines for us to move forward in

(45:08):
the right direction.

Speaker 27 (45:08):
This caucus matters to me because it's a way for
us to all them communicate with and collaborate with lawmakers
on getting policies in place that help creators, because.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
A creator economy is dooming.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Many jets to ninety one. I'm just saying, I'm like, goodness,
how did this originate? I mean, obviously there are multiple caucuses,
and so what was the tipping point where you and
Congressman Clark got together to say this needs to happen.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
I've seen, you.

Speaker 28 (45:44):
Know a lot of the ideas that are coming through
conference and a lot of the ideas that are coming
through Congress about ways.

Speaker 29 (45:52):
Of being able to legislate this industry.

Speaker 28 (45:55):
And when you talk to different members, we all have
different ideas of what the industry read the clients. You know,
these are part of how much is where it is
and what happened to be regulator And I think howey
pops inviting people from the industry do this for a living,
to let us know the laws of unintended consequences.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
If you pass this kind of legislation by the way.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
You may not have known this, you.

Speaker 28 (46:19):
May never have thought about this, but this is how
it can affect us.

Speaker 19 (46:22):
I think your friends people directly.

Speaker 28 (46:24):
And this is a great opportunity I think to just
kind of open up, to have members, to be able
to have access to that, and to.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Be able to have a platform where they can discuss it.

Speaker 29 (46:34):
I think it can be a really young thing.

Speaker 25 (46:36):
They work for both content creators can hard games.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Well, it's a perfect example with you on this here. Again,
I don't think of people. A lot of people really
grass we're talking billions and billions of dollars. We're talking
individuals who are now on these social platforms. They're really

(47:00):
individual companies. So now you're talking about folks with LLC's
inks whatever they look. They may not have, you know,
fifteen employees like I do in others, but they actually have,
They actually have people. And I think we have to
understand what is at play, what does that play here?
And when you talk about having a voice, as we

(47:21):
were just talking about earlier, these members of Congress, they
ain't got no clue. They a lot of them have
no clue about technology. They still haven't. Pen And pad Off,
director of conversations. We're now living in a digital world,
and so they do have to keep up with how
the world, how the economy is changing, and how voters
are changing.

Speaker 30 (47:44):
Was that Tyler, Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 18 (47:49):
I will first start off by saying, I'm gonna go
with what ec Ra said.

Speaker 30 (47:53):
I room for everybody black.

Speaker 18 (47:54):
And we know that black people are magical, Black people
drive culture, yet we are we get the least when
it comes to equity and protection in the digital economy.
So we as we talk about creators, I think this
is a great opportunity for creators to really secure the rights,
whether it's through their i ps, to to have accountability
from the platforms that they're making millions and billions of

(48:17):
dollars for and and and it brings fairness to these creators.

Speaker 31 (48:21):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (48:21):
And so I think this, this this callus is a
is a a step in the right direction.

Speaker 30 (48:26):
When it comes to justice in the contentt economy.

Speaker 18 (48:30):
And I'm excited to see how we can make uh
this this monetization of this uh content creator economy to
make it more equitable, especially for black and brow creator.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You know, we use that word monelization with what that
really means this is business, Matt, It's business, and and
content creators also need to understand that they're going to
be dealing with legal issues, tax issues, and you better
have you, you better want somebody in Congress who can
you could talk about these issues.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Yeah, you're exactly right. But I kind of want to
take the baton and run with it from Tiler because
I think he touched on.

Speaker 12 (49:05):
Two things that I immediately thought.

Speaker 19 (49:07):
The first thing that I thought, and I don't want
to be the resident pessimist here, but I'm happy to
bring this up. I like that they are considering this
and looking at this is something that they need to regulate.
What worries me, however, is if you have a DOJ
that's not going to prosecute antitrust against Mark Zuckerberg and
the likes of Zuckerberg, then you're going to have such
a great imbalance that you already have between the online

(49:30):
platforms and the content creators.

Speaker 12 (49:32):
And I think that's one of the things that has.

Speaker 19 (49:33):
To be addressed first, because to Tilert's point, that's immediately
what I thought.

Speaker 12 (49:37):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 19 (49:38):
Great that the content creators are going to have greater
protection potentially, but if you're making your stuff on websites
and disseminating it through websites, which they all are. Unless
there's greater equity for what you can earn and greater
fairness and greater bargaining power, then you're going to have
I think some resultant antitrust issues. Number one and then

(49:59):
number two, I think you have a question of really,
who is a content creator? Because arguably anybody who's using
social media as a content creator, and I think, kind
of similar to the nil question, you're going to have
a question of, you know, who really is going to get.

Speaker 12 (50:14):
The bigger part of the pie, who's going to get
to protection?

Speaker 19 (50:16):
Are they going to set thresholds on content creators who
are doing business above a certain level. And that's not
to say they shouldn't do something, but I think there's
some kind of threshold questions that have to be answered.

Speaker 12 (50:27):
And the biggest thing about all of this is.

Speaker 19 (50:29):
Politically, they have to be able to have some teeth
in any regulations that they put forth, and that would
be my bigger concern, My biggest concern because if you
look at Meta and Jeff Bezos and all the people
who are surrounding President Trump at the inauguration, many of
those people are people who would be directly affected from
a financial standpoint by these kinds of regulations, and accordingly

(50:51):
are surely going to fight them tooth and nail.

Speaker 12 (50:53):
So I'm hoping that if Congress really kind of runs.

Speaker 19 (50:55):
Further with this ball, with this caucus, that they actually
put something in that has some teeth so that content
creators are really able to leverage their content and not
kind of more in name than truly in substance.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
Michael, Yeah, rolling.

Speaker 20 (51:09):
Well, first of all, you know, where are the people
rolling who said we don't need to vote, we just
need to do economic empowerment and build businesses like the Asians.
Here you see how laws and policies impact business. These
content creators have businesses even if they don't have any employees.

(51:30):
This is how it impacts business. And when we look
at the piece from a Tech Crunch, it talks about
how they're over three hundred and ninety thousand full time
equivalent jobs in twenty twenty two and gold miss Sax
estimates estimates that the creator economy could be worth half
a trillion dollars by twenty twenty seven. But it goes

(51:52):
on to talk about the US government doesn't have much
regulatory oversight or understanding of the creator. To me, as
it stands leaven creative businesses in the BUYD, which means
you got to have elected officials that know how this
stuff works. If there, if they're not to be not
to discriminate against age, but if they're so old or

(52:13):
so out of touch that they don't even understand the technology,
they can't craft policy that's even beneficial to the content creators,
especially the African American content creators. So this is very
much needed. I'm a content creator as well. Eventually I
want to do this, do it full time. So this
is something I will definitely be following.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
We'll see what happens next. But again it's something that
people need to understand. It's business, business, business business. And
to your point, which I talked about the other day,
it's all these people who are like, man, we don't
need no goverment, We don't need no goverment. Can we
can do for self? Do for self? Trust me. I
keep telling y'all, government has a hand in everything, and

(53:02):
you damn sure when you get in trouble, like for instance,
when the RS changed their rules when they were gonna
say that if you got any money on a cash
p over. I think it was like six hundred bucks
had to be reported. Man, folks lost their minds. That's government, government,
irs this government. But you know, we got some folks

(53:22):
who don't quite understand that. All right, y'all, it's an
idiot that's in the White House, we know that. But
he hires idiots. And one of the biggest ones is
Carolyn Levitt, big time liar White House folksman. And boy,
she just straight lied lied from a podium regarding some
reporting of the DBC. And they did a brutal fact

(53:44):
check of this fool and I saw it. I said,
we gotta roll it.

Speaker 32 (53:51):
On Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt was asked
about reports that Israeli forces had killed Palestinians near an
AID distribution center, and her reply was an attack on
the BBC and was repeatedly false.

Speaker 29 (54:04):
We don't take the word of Hamas with total truth.
We like to look into it when they speak, unlike
the BBC, who had multiple headlines they wrote Israeli tank
kills twenty six, Israeli tank kills twenty one, Israeli gunfire
kills thirty one, Red Cross as.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Twenty one people were killed in an eight incident.

Speaker 29 (54:24):
And then oh wait, they had to correct and take
down their entire story, saying we reviewed the footage and
couldn't find any evidence of anything.

Speaker 32 (54:32):
This contains a mix of misrepresentations and untruths. When speaking,
Carolin Levitt held up a print out. It showed a
post on x by a student activist. Its focus and
hers was the BBC's coverage on Sunday, residents had reported
Israeli fired near an AID center. Over the course of
the day, the BBC repeatedly updated its coverage, as is
standard on a breaking news story. Updated claims on fatalities

(54:56):
were all clearly attributed to a number of sources in Gaza,
including the Red Cross, which is an independent organization. Sourcing
like this is standard when a story is evolving and
details are hard to confirm. It's also a necessary aspect
of covering this conflict, given Israel doesn't allow international news
organizations into Gaza. During the press conference, Caroline Levitt also

(55:17):
had this particular criticism.

Speaker 29 (55:19):
Unfortunately, unlike some in the media, we don't take the
word of Hamas with total truth.

Speaker 32 (55:26):
But BBC News didn't do that. It did quote the
Harmas run Health Ministry with clear attribution. The ministry, which
is part of the Hamas controlled government, is the main
source of official information when it comes to casualties in Gaza.
The BBC also reported statements that received from the Israel
Defense Forces, which called the reports false and urged the
media to be cautious. Caroline Levitt also made this claim.

Speaker 29 (55:49):
They had to correct and take down their entire story,
saying we reviewed the footage and couldn't find any evidence
of anything.

Speaker 32 (55:55):
This isn't true. The BBC didn't take down any of
its coverage on this story. Schools remain online, and Caroline
Levitt attributed this false claim to what she called a
review of footage that appears to be a reference to
this BBC verified Live Page post that looked at a
widely shared video that some were claiming showed events near
the aid Center using geolocation. BBC Verified confirmed that the

(56:17):
video actually showed a different event several kilometers away.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
This wasn't a BBC video being assessed.

Speaker 32 (56:23):
It wasn't a attraction, It wasn't a BBC admission of error.
The Life page post had been highlighted by the same
x account Caroline Levitt had referenced it misrepresented what BBC
Verify had done. The White House then repeated the misrepresentation
Fritz part. The BBC says it stands by its journalism
and has called once again to be allowed access to Gaza.
Having made this range of false claims, Caroline Levitt had

(56:46):
a further point to make.

Speaker 29 (56:47):
We're going to look into reports before we confirm them
from this podium or before we take action. And I
suggest that journalists who actually care about truth do the
same to reduce the amount of misinformation that's going around
the globe on this front.

Speaker 32 (56:59):
But in this case, either of the White souse didn't
look into its claims about the BBC before bringing them
to the podium or had no concern that they weren't true.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
How arrogant can you be, Carolyn Levitt, to stand up
there we're gonna check things first, when you didn't even
check a Twitter account that advanced a lie. These people
are despicable. I keep telling y'all how trifling they are.

(57:28):
And she is the chief liar. And just because she's
convincing lying does not make her right. Oh, she is
a convincing liar. Oh. She speaks with an authoritative voice.
She is confident in her line. But Carolyn Levitt is
a damn liar, That's what she is.

Speaker 20 (57:48):
Michael, Oh, absolutely, and she is the spokesperson for the
liar in chief food Washington Post documented in his first
term in office total with thirty thousand lies and false
and misleading statements.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
And yeah, it really is.

Speaker 20 (58:04):
It takes a lot of unmitigated gall to stand there
and try to tastize the media when she's up here
speaking representing for mister two hundred trade deals, Donald Trump,
who claimed they've made two hundred trade deals in the
last few months. Okay, where is that? And then it's

(58:25):
commonplace when you have a breaking news story. I've been
in media fifteen years. Okay, it's commonplace when you have
a breaking news story to constantly update the news story
as you get more information. That's why when we're on live,
you refresh your screen multiple times for breaking news stories.
So this is what the BBC did. But I'm glad
they put this fact check out. Hopefully that fact check

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goes viral, Okay, to hold her accountable. And this is
what you have to do with liars like this who
use their position in the government to perpetuate false information.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I'm tired, like I'm looking for this video Michael talk
about these trade deals. That was this on Fox News,
one of these trade if you if you want to
laugh about this here, hold one second. Let me second
find a video because Bill Hemmer was entering one of
these Lion foods with Trump's Trump's administration and the guy

(59:24):
was talking about the trade deals and oh, we're gonna
be signing these, and even Bill Hemmer's like, okay, well
can you name one? And the guy's like, oh, I
can't do that right now. I mean it's I mean,
these people literally are in say matter fact, Okay, I
found a video. Hold one second, let me pull this up, y'all.
This is I was like, but I mean they've been

(59:46):
telling us now for weeks. Oh yeah, Oh, we've got
seventy five one hundred. We got a thousand companies, a
thousand of countries trying to reach us to do trade deals.
Can you name one? No, I can't really name one.
I can't really name one. I mean, I mean, but
it's happened. It's happened. Listen to this, y'all.

Speaker 33 (01:00:00):
Who goes first if anyone as of today?

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
You mean, who goes first? In terms of countries and
a new deal. Correct.

Speaker 34 (01:00:08):
Yeah, so there's Look, there's a number of deals under
in the works for trading partners, particularly in Asia and
in Europe as well. And you know, I expect that
these deals to come out in a flurry as we
get closer to the deadline. Some may come out very soon,
but I expect there to be a flurry as we
get close to the deadline because of the process in
which these deals are proceeding, where there's steps that everyone

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is taking to move the deal forward and those steps
are designed to yield success around the time of the deadline.

Speaker 33 (01:00:35):
So I'm not just summing to interrupt, but every time
we do these segments, I'm just trying to find the
name of a country who will be first in line.
Can we say today which country that will be?

Speaker 34 (01:00:48):
I cannot I'm not well screaming social no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
No, I care, tyler, I can't name one.

Speaker 18 (01:00:57):
And look, and I think that in the cell tells
how we are the laughing stock of the world. I mean,
when we got the Press secretary and folks that are
supposed to be leading our country who can't even uh
name a country of of of that of that instance,
or even tell the truth behind the Press Secretary's death,

(01:01:19):
and I think it just shows how fragile our democracy
is and how of a laughing stock we are. Uh,
And you know, elections have consequences, and uh it's sad
to see.

Speaker 30 (01:01:30):
Uh what we're looking at were we are a laughing stock.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
These folks lie and lie and lie. Matt, they just lie.

Speaker 12 (01:01:43):
They do.

Speaker 19 (01:01:44):
But what's scary is they've lied enough and created an
environment enough where people don't believe things or don't don't
have critical thinking.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:01:54):
The idea that the BBC.

Speaker 19 (01:01:56):
Would continuously update its coverage with new information and should
be something that is understood, right, just simply that's how
it works in journalism, at least as far as I
can tell.

Speaker 12 (01:02:06):
You get new information, you update it.

Speaker 19 (01:02:08):
But to characterize it as though they were wrong all
the times before is part and parcel with the kind
of disinformation and the kind of attack on.

Speaker 12 (01:02:16):
Truth and creation of alternative facts that we've seen them
do since the first Trump administration.

Speaker 19 (01:02:23):
And it's effective to the group of people that they're
talking to and making them question everything. It's really ridiculous,
and frankly, it is part and parcel with exactly what
we saw with COVID.

Speaker 12 (01:02:35):
During COVID, I remember being.

Speaker 19 (01:02:37):
Baffled that there wasn't like a basic understanding of the
scientific method. You remember during that time, Fault you would
get on TV and say, you know, we've learned this
one thing.

Speaker 12 (01:02:47):
It's changed our position or our opinion. We're now thinking this.

Speaker 19 (01:02:51):
Well, it was characterized like that was emblematic of them
not being good scientists, rather than that being a part
of how science works. You get new evidence, you change
your position. So similar to that, this is the kind
of thing that you see. You see attack on truth
and the attack on the evolution of information via you
know what's reported. So I mean it's said that it's

(01:03:12):
coming out of the White House, you know, and officially
sentioned part of our United States government that should be
giving people good information. But it's part and parcel with
what Trump has done since the first time he was
in office.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Well, it's people who they are now. I remember when
all these fools were telling us that Christy wrong, knowing
all of them, underno circumstances are we going to bring
Brego Garcia back from El Salvador. He ain't coming back,
even though the United States told them to facilitate he'll
coming back. Well, guess what they've now done it. But

(01:03:44):
guess what they've now done. They've also been died of him.
The twenty nine year old Salvadory man again. He was
mistakenly deported to El Salvador. He's now coming back to
face more charges. Brego Garcia has been indicted on two
criminal accounts in the United States Court for the Middle
District of Tennessee. He is charged with conspiracy to unlawfully
transport illegal aliens for financial gain and with unlawful transportation

(01:04:08):
of illegal aliens for a financial gain. The unseal indictment
says that of Brego Garcia others participated in a conspiracy
over recent years to knowingly in unlawfully transport thousands of
undocumented individuals who are not authorized to be in the
United States, many of whom were members or associates of
MS thirteen. The Trump administration asserts that the Brigo Garcia
was incorrectly deported to a Salvador in March due to

(01:04:29):
an administrative era. Now here's what's confusing. Now they're claiming
this all right, but you to have the evidence before. Also,
do y'all remember this, he Matt. They had this huge
news conference in Virginia announcing the arrest of these MS

(01:04:53):
thirteen gay members. Attorney General paum Bondi, she was there,
standing tall firm. They drop all of those charges. These people.
We can't give them the benefit of the doubt when
it comes to the truth.

Speaker 19 (01:05:12):
No, we can't, because you said exactly what I was thinking,
which is, then you have this evidence beforehand. I mean,
I literally spent the first three days of this week
trying a case in federal court, and I joked with
one of the ausa's They said, Oh, don't you want to.

Speaker 12 (01:05:27):
Come over here and do some criminal cases?

Speaker 19 (01:05:29):
And I said no, because usually when the Feds are
doing criminal cases, they got to be himmed up. They
got all the evidence they need to prove their case.
They are far better than local law enforcement in terms
of investigation.

Speaker 12 (01:05:40):
And that's what makes this reek.

Speaker 19 (01:05:42):
Of political more than you know, correct proper in that
surely they had this evidence before and they.

Speaker 12 (01:05:50):
Didn't even prosecute him.

Speaker 19 (01:05:51):
And the interesting thing is it's not a question of
what's he prose convicted, and then the question is does
he stay here because there's a security risk for him
at home, which is what the Immigration Court ruled on,
I believe in twenty nineteen in terms of sending him
to his home country.

Speaker 12 (01:06:06):
Instead, they never prosecuted.

Speaker 19 (01:06:08):
Him, and it seems that if he's now public enemy
number one and you're going to prosecute him, you either
had the evidence before and you weren't doing your job,
or the evidence to suspect because you now conveniently have
it when you're, you know, on the world stage for having.

Speaker 12 (01:06:23):
Wrongfully deported someone.

Speaker 19 (01:06:24):
So it reached to me of political more than anything else.
But you know, not having seen any evidence or the indictment,
I can't speak to the truth of it, but it
seems very fishy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I don't trust nothing these fools, do, Kit Tyler. I
don't trust nothing nothing. They equipped to make some stuff up.

Speaker 30 (01:06:48):
And quick to pull some out of thin air.

Speaker 18 (01:06:49):
So, like you said, I think everything that comes out
of their mouth, everything that every headline that we see
there has to be proper, you know, backlogging on it
to make sure that what they say is true, because
they are known liars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Michael.

Speaker 20 (01:07:09):
You know Roland I saw when this story broke and
I immediately thought, okay, so you want to hold him accountable.
But the trader in chief then that Dick Donald gives
a pardon to fifteen hundred domestic terrorists that stormed the
US Capitol January sixth, Hundreds of them have been convicted.

(01:07:32):
He gave a commutation fourteen commutations to people like Stuart Rhodes,
people convicted of trying to overthrow It's not conspiracy, it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
It doesn't matter. They were all domestic terrorist. Let's go
keep going.

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Yeah, yeah, the domestic terrorism.

Speaker 20 (01:07:53):
So you give fifteen hundred pardons in fourteen commutations. But
now after the fact here the Department of Justice, after
they said he there's no way he's going to come
back to the US, now they come with these charges.
So I'm all for due process, but this doesn't pass

(01:08:14):
the smell tests at all, you know, And I know
doctor Grid Carr always calls the US a criminal enterprise,
and sometimes I disagree.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
With them on that, but this sounds like a criminal
enterprise right here. Duello, Jay's acting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Well how they act. And then also you have literally
folks who are just stupid, and you want to see
one of the couples of the stupid person, this one
right here, y'all. Uh, this is a Congresswoman Mary Miller.
Now Congresswoman Mary Miller y'all decided to send out a tweet,

(01:08:54):
and you know it's kind of be it's gotta be rough.
This dumb ass from ill No. She sent this tweet
out let me zoom in. She goes, it's deeply troubling
that a seekh was allowed to lead prayer in the
House Representative this morning. This should have never been allowed

(01:09:14):
to happen. America was founded as a Christian nation, and
I believe our government should reflect that truth, not drift
from it. May God have mercy. First of all, she
was complaining that he was actually In her tweet, she
complained that he was a Muslim. This this actually was.
This actually was changed. It was actually changed. Her original

(01:09:37):
tweet said, it's deeply troubling that the Muslim, y'all, the
man is seek Tyler seeks or not Muslim.

Speaker 18 (01:09:48):
It's crazy to me that, you know, folks who swear
their constitutionalists freedom of religion, and yet she is doing
something that clearly he has the rights to practice what
he wants to practice in They're just idiotic at this point.

Speaker 30 (01:10:05):
It has to be drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
No, No, what it is is that they actually are
crazy and deranged. They they actually are. Uh. And then
and again, so this this is the actual tweet that
was one that was a Democrat actually corrected her tweet.
This is the tweet right here she said deeply that
a Muslim, but he's actually seek But here's the whole deal.

(01:10:29):
Muslims can also pray as well. These people this, these
people want to create a theocracy. Michael. They don't respect
other religions. And so I wonder if a little poor
little Mary of Illinois was she's seeing that same thing
out if a rabbi, which she criticized, uh, a Jewish

(01:10:52):
leader for praying in the in Congress by saying this
was a Christian nation.

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
Uh, maybe so she she may do that Roland, but.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
This was No, she wouldn't know. She wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
Well, well, well we'll.

Speaker 20 (01:11:06):
See because because because Jews are not Christians. Okay, so
you're doing this is this is white Christian nationalism that
we're seeing. And this is not even understanding, uh, the
founding of the country, because it was it was found
that you're dealing with freedom of religion. You didn't have
to have a particular religion, you didn't have to you
didn't have to be a Christian. Okay, that what they

(01:11:29):
want is a theocracy, and they're and they're really pushing
white Christian nationalism. And and a theocracy is a form
of government that is uh uh.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
The laws are.

Speaker 20 (01:11:41):
Based upon principles coming from a certain religion, coming from
a certain religious text.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Things of this nature. So and because so.

Speaker 20 (01:11:51):
These are people who really I would argue if they're
really Christians, because they don't live by Christians, They don't
live by Christian values that they even claim for themselves.
The way you treat the poor, the way you treat
those who are lesser than, the way you treat the
eld ye, things of this nature.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Matt, this was so funny. Again, this was her original
tweet she called Muslim, then she dropped this she changed
to a seakh and then she was like, oh hell,
let me just delete it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:12:23):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure. Somebody on her staff
said a congresswoman. There's this little pesky thing called the
establishment clause, where in the United States of America, the government,
and by the way, you are a member of the government,
cannot mandate the establishment of an official state religion. See also,
our home state just passed the law talking about putting
up the Ten Commandments. You know, look, it's really a

(01:12:46):
crazy world we live in. Time we live in there's
no problem with people being religiously adherent. If that's right
for their lives, they should do that. But a founding
bedrock principle of this nation, to Michael's earlier point, was
that you couldn't be to follow any one religion.

Speaker 12 (01:13:02):
You could follow any religion you wanted.

Speaker 19 (01:13:04):
And a lot of the big inroads that have been
made at the Supreme Court over the years have been
religious right via Mormon's, Jehovah's Witnesses, other people who fought
for their right to exercise, you know, any religious beliefs
that they wanted. So that being said, she probably deleted
it because somebody on her staff told her that it
was padently unconstitutional. But the funny thing about that is
we live in an age where the Constitution is only

(01:13:26):
used as a bludgeon, not as a barrier.

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
Right, So if it can't be a barrier to what
you want to.

Speaker 19 (01:13:30):
Do legislatively or ideologically, but you can use it to
beat others over the head. And you know that's what
we hear every time they trumpet the Second Amendment or
some other amendment that is Germane to whatever point they're
arguing at the time, but this is blatantly unconstitutional, the
Tin Commandments having to be up in classrooms, particularly when
you look at you know, when some people that are

(01:13:51):
members of non Christian religions said, okay, why don't we
just post you know, various things, and I think it
was Arabic. I think they wanted to post the Tinman.
It's an Arabic. I mean, I might have been here
in Texas, I can't recall where, but people lost their
minds right, because the truth is, it's not about being
religiously adherent. It's about, to your point, Michael, about white
Christian nationalism. And even more than that, it's about the

(01:14:13):
appearance of being a Christian. It is not about living
a Christian life, and it's about making sure others adhere
to your version of Christianity that allows you to get
the social gravitas that people want from that. That's all
this is about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
We know, that's what it's all about. I love that
when these people get caught on the hot mics a
Republican in the House, they admit it. Not only do
they want to cut eight hundred and eighty being in medicaid.
They said, all y'all, senior citizens men, get off y'all
ass and go to work. Listen to this, y'all. Unbelievable,

(01:14:48):
caught on the mic talking about this and literally saying
they need to go to work. Watch this.

Speaker 31 (01:14:55):
You got spinning, and you've got revenue, and you set
it up to where you can increase your revenue, and
you do that by lowering taxes and making it more
advantageous for people to work and to get off of Medicaid.
Get off of so get back into the workforce, and
that decreases it on that side of the equation as

(01:15:15):
well on the mandatory side.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Get all of social Security, get back into the workforce. Okay,
Mike Collins of Georgia, what the hell? Matt?

Speaker 19 (01:15:32):
Well, you know, we could take a page from Emanuel
maccurr in the French because I think they revolted when
they tried to change their retirement age from what was it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
Sixty two to sixty three.

Speaker 19 (01:15:42):
I mean, this is this is crazy, and this is
the thing I haven't understood.

Speaker 12 (01:15:46):
Maybe this is my ownta navita and thinking Trump and
team are smarter than they are.

Speaker 19 (01:15:51):
And I know this is obviously a congressional member saying this,
but I don't understand politically why you would ever touch
social Security when the biggest part of your base is
people who take social Security.

Speaker 12 (01:16:03):
It seems to me to.

Speaker 19 (01:16:04):
Be shooting yourself in the foot, you know, for some
immediate political benefit, and killing yourself down the road. Because
even if Trump doesn't doesn't decide to try to, you know,
defy the constitution openly and run for a third term,
or try to you know whatever, finegol the third term,
there are the JD. Vance's of the like in the
in the GOP who surely want to take his place.

Speaker 12 (01:16:26):
And I don't see how you don't see.

Speaker 19 (01:16:27):
This as political suicide, because just like those white people
in Iowa were Madage Grastley, they're gonna be right at.

Speaker 12 (01:16:33):
Those congressional offices saying no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 19 (01:16:35):
You can take whatever you want in terms of snap
benefits from these negroes, but you better not take my check.

Speaker 12 (01:16:39):
You start touching that check, they're gonna have a real problem.
And I don't see why you would ever do this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Because they don't care my go And then these same
white Republicains keep voting against their own economic interest.

Speaker 20 (01:16:54):
Yeah, but They're supposed to be such good Christians, Roland,
and look how they disrespect the elderly. You're talking about
a lot of people who are retired who paid into.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
Social Security for like forty years. Okay, now you want
them to get off.

Speaker 20 (01:17:09):
Social Security like it's a handout and go back to work.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Okay, So a little Mikey there.

Speaker 20 (01:17:16):
I think I don't think he's going to He may
not win reelection because the people he's talking about are
the people who voted at the highest rates, senior citizens. Okay,
he's gonna piss them off. That's going to go in
his opponent's campaign commercial. I guarantee you that's gonna be
in his opponent's campaign commercial.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
They need to vote him out of office.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I run it all day. Tyler.

Speaker 18 (01:17:39):
No, absolutely, But it's like it said before, it's crazy
to me that, you know, every election cycle we get
here and folks are voting against their own interests, Like
we got people that are working their entire lives, paying
into Social Security and then voting for politicians to turn
around and try to gut the very thing that benefits them.
And so uh, and the truth is, like the many

(01:18:02):
of these people, they gona they're gonna go home and
retire themselves too.

Speaker 30 (01:18:06):
And when we looking forward, when it's their time.

Speaker 18 (01:18:09):
But while, but while they're sitting in positions of power
and then on their pretty chair, they want to they
want to cut the benefits from from SNAP to social
Security into all these different things that are that are
really benefiting their base.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
All right, folks, am I the only one who likes
a really good read? Oh my god? We had three
this week, But we're gonna go to a couple of
them right now. I'm gona do one a little bit later.
So in Tarrant County, Alyssa Simmons, she's the sister the
Republicans are there, are trying to redraw the lines in
Arrant County. And so what they did was they paid

(01:18:42):
a company out of Virginia to do the work. But
then the white conservative Republican judge, he didn't want them
testifying in open court, well commission, the Simons wouldn't having
none of that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:57):
History will not applaud us if we choose any other
map than the current map. These truths are made self evident,
is the opening line of the Declaration of Independence. But
truths are not at work today. We are engaged in

(01:19:18):
an unusual mid decade redistricting process, then sales illegal. I
said it was unusual, something that typically occurs only after
the descential US.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Census every ten years, using updated population data. Yet here
we are.

Speaker 9 (01:19:39):
Attempting to redraw our precinct lines based on data that
is five years old. As I've said before, it just
doesn't make sense to redraw boundaries with twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Census data. This process began in April with the three.

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
Two party line vote over the ejections of myself and
Commissioner Miles. The state of reason for this sudden push
has been to rebalance precincts by population. Yet the previous
Commissioner's Court after the twenty twenty census found our precincts
to be balanced within a two percent deviation, well within

(01:20:24):
the ten percent legal limit. This raises a fundamental question
why the urgency now Public Legal Interest Foundation was selected
and is being paid with taxpayers money. But they are
not working for taxpayers. They've made that abundantly clear while

(01:20:50):
making four hundred and fifty dollars an hour. They have
refused to conduct briefings, refuse.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
To show up here to.

Speaker 9 (01:20:58):
Hearings, and refuse to add answer questions. Now, I am
not taking my questions today for this Virginia based firm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Back behind closed doors. They're going to bring their butts.

Speaker 9 (01:21:19):
Out here and stand at that podium and answer my questions.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Only weak leaders bully only week leaders bully others.

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
And I'm about sick and tired of weak leaders, particularly men.
So I want PILF to come out here and answer
my questions and jojo here. Quite interesting that today you

(01:21:54):
cannot stoma being called a racist.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
However, you are memorialized on video.

Speaker 9 (01:22:04):
On The Wolf and the Shepherd's podcast proclaiming quote, if
you are a Republican officeholder and you haven't been called
a racist, then.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
You haven't done a thing.

Speaker 9 (01:22:17):
So be proud of being called a racist today. Those
referring to these maps and this process, and even you
as a racist, have a constitutional right to do that.
We have got to stop sitting up here violating people's

(01:22:39):
First Amendment right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
This is crazy again. We ran for these positions. Everybody
doesn't love me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
They call me all kinds of names.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
I take it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:54):
I take it on the phone. I'm not a whimp,
I'm not weak. I put up with tons of bullying.
From you, but I'm still here. Now, let's talk about
the individual brought in to lead this effort as the
map maker, Adam Kincaid, speaking of weak men, where is he?

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Where is We paid.

Speaker 9 (01:23:24):
A demographer, a map maker to draw these maps, and
we cannot get an audience with him. In my one
call with Pill, my staff and I were told when
I asked for a meeting with the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Map maker that he was on vacation for a month.

Speaker 9 (01:23:46):
But he managed to crank out five maps in two days. Okay,
so I guess he pulled up from his vacation to
send us those five maps.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
And let's talk about the these other two maps that
cropped up. Where's Pill? Where are they?

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
They're they're available if the court would like.

Speaker 9 (01:24:11):
To be they need to be available out here, Chamler.
Who's stopping them from company?

Speaker 31 (01:24:16):
They?

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
I will answer that question.

Speaker 35 (01:24:19):
They have told me what they're going to do.

Speaker 9 (01:24:21):
They don't get to tell us tim what they're going
to judge what.

Speaker 35 (01:24:24):
They're going to do well, and you don't have subpoena
power to make them come out here. So they have
said they're going to be back there to answer legal questions.

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
If you have any legal questions.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
I don't, don't And if you don't have any legal.

Speaker 35 (01:24:39):
Questions, they're not going to come out here and testify
or be questioned. And that's what they have told me,
and that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
No, No, that's that's not how that works there.

Speaker 12 (01:24:51):
It's how it's going to work.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
It may it may not be how you wish it. It works,
not how it should work. They are so if you
directed them to state back there, No.

Speaker 12 (01:25:02):
I did not direct them, told me what they were
going to do.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
And they don't get a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Actually, they are the vendor. They don't get to tell
us what they're going to do. Tell them to get
out here, Chandler.

Speaker 34 (01:25:16):
And we asked, we've made them aware of your requests,
and they they made the same statement.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Where are they posted up at?

Speaker 34 (01:25:22):
I believe they're back here, back where we're room, back
here in the admin area.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Gerald, go get them. Uh, that's that's tell me.

Speaker 35 (01:25:33):
Where I'm about to have a scene and a show here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
I'm going to finish my comment.

Speaker 35 (01:25:37):
They've made their statement, they're going to follow what they does, not.

Speaker 9 (01:25:42):
Tell the customer what they're going to do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Where's this guy at?

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Where are these people at Chandler. I'm sorry, Gerald, would
they tell you, sir?

Speaker 19 (01:25:54):
They said they don't know the.

Speaker 12 (01:25:58):
Office and they don't know your workhouse.

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
Okay, they ran, we're paying. We're paying these people. Do
y'all hear me say.

Speaker 35 (01:26:10):
Yes, any calls to have the crowd speak out, I
will have as the presiding officer, I will have the
crowd removed. So I will ask you, respectfully not to
do that again. If you do do it again, I'll
have the entire crowd vacate the room.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Okay, they probably don't care. It's probably time to go
eat lunch. Everybody's not afraid of you, Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:26:35):
Don't don't expect them to be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 12 (01:26:38):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:26:38):
So again, the legitimate, the legitimacy of this process is
deeply in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Question, y'all. I cover it for Worth City Council. I
covered a Travis County Commissioner's court in Austin. I can
tell y'all right now, I have never in my political
career scene a vendor tell the commissioner's court or the

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city of council what we're going to do. We're not
going to do. They do not. They did not testify
because the Republican and county judge told them, you don't
need to come out. I think you want to make
something comment real quick.

Speaker 19 (01:27:22):
Yeah, I just wanted to break this down real quick
because it's kind of hard to understand if you don't
know Texas law. But basically, the Commissioner's Court in Texas
is basically the equivalent of a county of a city
council for the county, so they're the governing body for
the county. The white guy in the middle is what
we call the county judge. He's the equivalent of the
mayor of the county. And what they're doing here that's

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really in citiou Is and maybe you're going to say
this Roland, but a commissioner's Court can go into what's
called executive session, and an executive session that's where they
can make decisions behind closed doors.

Speaker 12 (01:27:55):
So a commissioner's Court, just like any other.

Speaker 19 (01:27:57):
Entity, is allowed to be advised by either the county
attorney or outside attorneys on any issue, you know, whether
it's an employment issue, it's a vending issue, some other issue,
because like any entity, they're entitled to have an attorney.
But what they were doing here is to her point,
they're a vendor. So there's somebody that the county is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Paying, tax payers are paying for.

Speaker 12 (01:28:20):
Taxpayers are paying.

Speaker 19 (01:28:21):
But I bet what they were saying is, we're a
law firm, and because we're a law firm, you can
talk to us in executive session right about this issue, right,
rather than doing it out in the public. And what
she's doing that I think is brilliant. I mean, if
you don't know, this little nuance is she's saying, no,
we're paying you to.

Speaker 12 (01:28:38):
Do a service for the county.

Speaker 19 (01:28:39):
I mean, I don't know what their contract says, but
presumably it says we're not hiring you to give us
legal counsel in the way other attorneys are, and that distinction.

Speaker 12 (01:28:50):
Is very important.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
So and she's also doing that so when there's a
lawsuit that gets to be entered into the record as well.
That was Terran County, y'all. But if y'all want to
see they've thrown out in Louisiana, this right here was
just gorgeous.

Speaker 36 (01:29:12):
Opportunity district is to get over the fifty percent threshold.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Fifty point one, Yeah, you could, you could do that.

Speaker 36 (01:29:19):
So I would debate that there's a lot of opportunities
out there for everybody that qualified candidate to run.

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
Right there in my home.

Speaker 36 (01:29:30):
Parish, we have a black sheriff that was elected by
a landslide and a sixty five percent white community.

Speaker 37 (01:29:41):
I'm not telling you that aren't exceptions to the rules,
but if you look at if you look at the
history of voting in Louisiana, the history does and the
empirical data just doesn't show that by and large. So
if you want to show me some one off that's
an exception.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
I'll take that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
I'll even tell.

Speaker 36 (01:30:00):
You we have another.

Speaker 6 (01:30:01):
We have another one off.

Speaker 36 (01:30:02):
We had a black mayor that was elected in a
predominantly white community recently, so we have we have what
that represents the same commit I would What I would.

Speaker 37 (01:30:14):
Tell you to that direct forumum, is, if you want
to give me out of the thousands of elections that
we have, if you want to tell me ten, that's
less than one percent.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
I can I get what you're saying.

Speaker 37 (01:30:29):
If you want to do it anecdotally, you could do that,
but if we're going to go by the empirical data,
we could do that. Look, I'm just telling you let
me let me finish though, So let me finish, because
I think you're a perfect example, not necessarily from a
racial perspective, but from a but from a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
From a party perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
I mean, you ran as a Democrat.

Speaker 37 (01:30:52):
Not long ago and loss and switched to Republican, then
you won. I mean, so the thing is the difference
between that is you could switch from from Democratic Republican.
I can't switch from black to white. And so you
know we can. We can go off these one offs
all day long. But you're a perfect example. Not even
six months later, just by switching party, you were able

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to come and clean the seat.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
We don't have that opportunity.

Speaker 36 (01:31:19):
Well, I just I think that that the quality of
the candidate is far more important than the couple.

Speaker 37 (01:31:27):
I would say that I don't think any quality is
changed in you in six months, and you ran against
the same person and beat them.

Speaker 36 (01:31:33):
Well, so I agree with that, But for the affiliation
is not allowed to be uh considered in that process.

Speaker 37 (01:31:42):
Unless you're telling me you gained some magnificent qualities in
a short period of time.

Speaker 36 (01:31:46):
I would agree with you that you've changed about our
character in six months.

Speaker 37 (01:31:51):
Well, I agree, So I think that in the gates
the statement you just made.

Speaker 36 (01:31:55):
But the the when you get into the fourteenth and
fifteenth Amendment, that this allows a lot of the things
that we're talking.

Speaker 37 (01:32:08):
We're talking about the Constitution, and I think the maps.
The quarters already decided that the maps that we're under unconstitutional.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Damn Toyny, you could switch from Democratic Republican, I can't
switch from black.

Speaker 30 (01:32:22):
To white exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:32:24):
And I think Gary Chambers said it perfectly when he said,
you know, blackness isn't it's not a political convenience. It's
a live reality. And to think that you could just
rebrand it overnight. We can't just change parties to survive.
We have to change the systems in order to do that.
And I think, you know, it's very cynical and it's

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crazy to see, but these are the times we're living
in and I think people are really exposing themselves to
who they really are. But it's up to us to
ensure that these folks just got to go. It's got
to go, and it's our liver reality. We can't change
this color in our skin or how we are presented
in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yep, this is who they are, Michael, this is who
they are. Thirty seconds, well.

Speaker 20 (01:33:11):
Absolutely, this is who they are and they've been like
this for uh for decades. And I mean, you're dealing
with Louisiana that has a history of disenfranchisement when it
comes to African Americans. So I find it interesting that
he wants to deal with one off but doesn't want
to look at the imperial empirical data.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:33:32):
And this you know, so this is this is.

Speaker 20 (01:33:35):
More of the voter suppression than the jerry mandering.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
That's what we talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Well, and the crazy thing, the Supreme Court already ruled,
so it's like, dude, just change the map.

Speaker 12 (01:33:45):
Y'all lost.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Y'all lost, loss of the Supreme Court, the Fifth Circuit,
back to the Supreme Court, back to the Fifth Court,
Fifth Circuit. Y'all still lost? All right, y'all going to
a quick break. We come back. Of course, the only
an issue of mental health. It is a huge issue
these days with so many different people, impacts all of
our families. And we'll talk about that next with an

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Single parent father spending time.

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With your kid, whether it's a son or daughter, whether
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Into the role.

Speaker 24 (01:35:08):
I didn't take it as a woe is mean moment
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It's like, as a matter of fact, I looked at it,
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Speaker 19 (01:35:30):
I'm Russeul l Honoree Litiener Gerald, United States, Sorrow Retired,
and you're watching Roland Martin.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
I'm healthy, folks. Mental illness is real in this country.
It impacts every family, friends, sororities, fraternities, groups, It does
not matter, and we're seeing dramatic increase when it comes
to adolescents and adult black males. According to the Natural

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Institute of Minority Health and Health Disparities, black men are
four times four times more likely I when you look
at these numbers, folks, they've changed significantly, four times more
likely to die by suicide than black women. The American
Academy Child Adolescent Psychiatry has seen a sixty percent rise
in suicide rates among black boys over the last two decades.

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Licensed psychotherapist Tatiana Melndez is here to talk about this.
Tatiana dot glad to have you hear what the hell
is going on?

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Hey, how are you?

Speaker 30 (01:36:29):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 38 (01:36:33):
You know, I'll tell you this conversation is deeply personal
for me, and I believe it's urgent.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
I am a woman of color.

Speaker 38 (01:36:41):
I have two brothers, one who has a learning disability,
and you know, when we lost my mom, you know,
my brothers didn't know how to actually respond.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
And one of the things that I'm.

Speaker 38 (01:36:53):
Noticing is that, you know, our black men are to
suffering silence. You know, I hope people mental health isn't
for black isn't just a clinical issue. It is wrapped
up inism. You know, you have masculinity, you have culture.
You know, are black men just trying to survive and

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a lot of just unspoken pain.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
So when you say unspoken pain, I mean, let's just
be real. We have to we have to just own
some stuff. And that is the reality is we raise
black boys. First of all, we say you a man, No,
he's a black boy. And I said this this is
years ago. Steve Perrid, doctor Street Peyn and I were
talking about this year and as somebody who travels the country, uh,

(01:37:40):
and who folks stop me and mothers and fathers and
people selfish and stuff. You know, next month I'll get
Essence Festival. And I can tell you it's crazy how
many times I'll take a photo with a with a
with a boy and he's not smiling, and I would
and i would say, say, bro, we ain't take in

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this photo. And I've had mothers go what do you mean?
I said, I'm not taking a photo that's a prison photo.
And I said, and seriously, You've got boys who are seven, eight,
nine and ten and they try and look all hard
in photos because we have conditioned them to say, you
a man, you hard, You're supposed to be hard. No,

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he's a boy. And I think, and then this whole
idea where you don't cry, you don't talk about stuff.
If you hear that from the age of three, four, five, six,
I'm sorry, you get to be eighteen and twenty, you
have built up a shell that is hard to crack.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
I mean absolutely. I mean when you look at you know,
we can talk about systemic racism, but beyond that.

Speaker 38 (01:38:48):
Our black men have this social pressure, this unspoken rule
that men have to be tough, they need to be unshakable,
they never need to show any form or type of weakness.
And so all these emotions, what happens is they get
buried and the only acceptable feeling becomes anger, and everything

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else is just pushed.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Down, you know. And so when you look at just.

Speaker 38 (01:39:14):
Black man period, you know, growing up in a world
that's constantly telling you that your existence is a threat,
not a real human experience.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
So you have police brutality, you have.

Speaker 38 (01:39:28):
Job discrimination. Black men carry stress that just never turns
off and we want to call that normal. And so
these kids are being raised, Hey, you're not supposed to cry,
You're not supposed to show any type of emotion.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
And so are black men. They don't even know how
to be vulnerable.

Speaker 38 (01:39:48):
And vulnerability is now treated as a weakness, when in reality,
vulnerability should be a strength.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Too.

Speaker 38 (01:39:56):
Many of our men was just they're raised in these
environments that give them that doesn't really give them space
to be whole humans, and so they're learning to mask
depression with I mean, you have drinking, you have sex,
you have rage. You know, people are working a lot,
and you know, I tell clients all the time, true
masculinity is really having the actually say I need help.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
A man don't know how to say they need help.

Speaker 38 (01:40:22):
It's about being brave enough to be seen fully, not
when you're just winning, but when you're actually wounded.

Speaker 19 (01:40:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
So, how do we start that and so and who
has that conversation?

Speaker 38 (01:40:36):
I mean, it depends on where people want to turn to.
You know, some people may turn to religion and spirituality.
I do believe there's a lack of knowledge. There may
be an education component. If we were to look at education,
I think it's very important to make sure that men,
actually our black men, actually know what the symptoms are.
But I'll tell you I have clients that come into

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our practice, especially our black men, when they just side
they want to participate in therapy, you can ask them
they don't know what the symptoms are or they're quld
to say, oh, that's the white man's thing, when it's not,
Oh what depression looks like?

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Know what anxiety looks like, no.

Speaker 38 (01:41:15):
PTSD looks like, and how it actually manifests in men.
And so we also just don't have enough therapists that
look like us. They don't understand the cultural context of
what black people have been through. So I think that
creates a problem. And so men they're like, I don't

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want to cry every day, and they assume that they're fine.
But if they actually understood what depression looks like, it's
not about crying every day. It may be the irritability,
they may be experiencing, fatigue, it may be numbness. And
if they can be educated, I think that's a place
to start, you know. And like I said, some people
turn to religion, but that's even a you know, a

(01:41:58):
tricky space, you know, you focus on mental health.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Because I do believe it's very powerful.

Speaker 38 (01:42:06):
I believe that, you know, faith and mental health can
go hand in hand. I believe people can pray, but
you can't pray away your symptoms.

Speaker 7 (01:42:14):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 38 (01:42:15):
You have to participate is this sort of therapeutic intervention.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
It's interesting you're talking about that. There was a clip
before I'm gonna go to I got three brothers on
the panel of the day, so I'm gonna go to
this clip here. So Mark Lamont Hill was on He's
on the Joe Butten podcast, and they were talking and
he dropped this comment in and then one of the
other cats said, hold, did you just say you're dealing
with depression?

Speaker 39 (01:42:38):
Listen to this, h I'll be dealing with depression too.
So I've been trying to manage that and so and so.
Then I do a lot of over exercise things like
that to call myself and then that makes me super tired.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Did your wife do red Bull too? No, she was
doing touch the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
She is.

Speaker 6 (01:42:51):
She's not on top of you about the red bulls.
You tell me wise wise to do red Bull depression. Yeah,
it's joying podcast. The red bull is way more interesting.
I didn't hear it depression. Yeah, I did with depression.

Speaker 39 (01:43:06):
So it's just trying to find ways to regulate that,
and so it affects my sleep pattern.

Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
No red bulls just to.

Speaker 39 (01:43:11):
Stay awake for the show, because what happens I sleep.
I'll sleep for two hours and wake up and then
be like it's like two in the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
I'm like with the like seven, have you considered making
it maybe not like an everyday show?

Speaker 40 (01:43:22):
I have, But then I really like, thank you for
the donations. You understand this means a lot. You have
no idea how M means to me out there. I'm
so gracious. I don't three a week two or three.

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
Yeah, I don't. I don't do I'm not like a.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
So Doc was crazy. So they would talk about red
bulls staying up and so he dropped the depression point
and he talked about lots of that he was dealing with.
Let's see if I can play that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
Joe, you know, health doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
He hold up, play I got a stupid question for you.
Yeah the hell, what the hell are you depressed about? Man? Joe?

Speaker 6 (01:44:06):
You know it's not her health doesn't work like that.

Speaker 22 (01:44:09):
Well unless he wants to.

Speaker 39 (01:44:13):
I mean, the short answer is that I have to
take care of a lot of people in the life
of a black man, and that creates emotional toll, financial toll.
Then there's just just having to you know, all that
ship and my own health. Right, so all those things combined,
you know what I mean. So like my wife's my
wife's mother is sick. My mother is she's not sick,
but she's just needs a lot of characters.

Speaker 6 (01:44:33):
She's blind.

Speaker 39 (01:44:34):
I got brother got to take care of. Who's locked up.
I got his son, who's who's not locked up? Who
I got to care for because he's thirteen and black
and outside, you know what I'm saying, and all and
all in a good kid, but just you know, a
lot of that got My own brother's going to be
locked up. How much long he's on. He'll be home
in a year and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Year and a half, all right, fans, Sorry relief.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
I thought that the reno would be more than I
was born.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Okay, so think, first of all, I want you to
break down what that was a two minute clip. I
just want you to break down what you saw there.

Speaker 38 (01:45:06):
It hurt, you know what, I would tell you that
more black men in leadership in the eyes of the public,
those that are very wealthy, they are the ones who
are actually suffering in silence, especially when our black men
are expected to be.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
The emotional or spiritual.

Speaker 38 (01:45:28):
Backbone, either for an entire community if there are a pastor,
or if they are, you know, the brand winner in
the family. And his story just really highlights toxic expectations.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
I'm not sure if he's religious, but if if they're
spiritual pressure, but he's expected to show up no matter what,
even if.

Speaker 38 (01:45:51):
He is suffering in silence, and if he has someone
in his life that's not supporting that process, because I
tell you, sometimes you know the women in these relations
and gyms that may not support the way they need
to because they don't know how to, you know. And
so there's some healing. I think that definitely needs to
take place there. And the only way that happens is
if we actually start breaking the sacle of what our

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fathers and our grandfathers didn't know that they were in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
And so it's really learning the language of emotions, even
if we are taught to ignore them.

Speaker 38 (01:46:24):
It's okay to cry, it's okay to just peace over pride,
it's okay to go to therapy, and a lot of
people will go to therapy and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Say, oh, I'm just trying to survive. No, I need
you to thrive.

Speaker 38 (01:46:36):
And so for this next generation, you know, he has
to also be able to teach his children. Hey, I
need to raise my diffinitely, I need to out loud.
I need to finally say what had happened to me
is in my fault, but healing is my responsibility.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Well, you bought where you bothered what like the other
two guys were with Joe said what the hell you
got to be the pre just about which actually caused
Mark to actually explain what he was going through. Did
you find did you find that question problematic? Yeah?

Speaker 38 (01:47:10):
Absolutely, because if we cannot support and have a space
that's safe to actually start normalizing therapy, are black man
participating in therapy?

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
And I'm happy he spoke on.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
It, But so so how should you so so doc,
How should Joe have approached that? How should he have when? Clearly,
because first of all, I remember the other they went
the other two guys said, you mentioned depression. Well then
they let the conversation go on talking about drinking red bull.
Joe brought it back. How should Joe have asked the question?

Speaker 38 (01:47:44):
You know, I think he could have reframed it and
asked him like, how can I actually help you? How
can we make this space available to you for you
to be what is.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Actually going on?

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Right? I think I think you're gonna ask the question.
If you want him to unpack it, you just say, hey,
ma ho type one second, you said your depressed. Explain
what that means? What what does it mean when you
say you're a depressed? So you think that's how the
question should have been asked. Okay?

Speaker 38 (01:48:10):
Oh absolutely, you know, digging deeper to understand whether it's
a it's a root call cause analysis, to figure out
what is actually going on with him so he can
actually support him in this space. But he actually made
it hard for him to speak on it again because again,
you know, our black man are supposed to show up,
be ready to be on at all times. But this
didn't start here today. This is generational weird and get

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things done.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
Yep, absolutely, absolutely all right, Matt. You were nodding a
whole lot when when when, when, when Mark was speaking,
and then when Doc was talking, So uh take it away.

Speaker 19 (01:48:49):
So the question I have, Doc, and thank you for
sharing with us all your insight, but.

Speaker 12 (01:48:55):
To be completely candid.

Speaker 19 (01:48:56):
I see this on face on uh social media all
the time, Brothers talking about this, and a lot of
times they say, why would I ever open up to
my woman or to my family because it's going to
be weaponized against me. And you see people talking all
the time about how they tried to be vulnerable one
time and then the response from either a romantic partner
or family members were to either detegrate them right or

(01:49:20):
to make light of it, or as you kind of
alluded to earlier, you say something like you just need
to pray something to that effect. So my question for
you is, how, if at all, do you address that
with the larger kind of circles in black men's lives
to create that safety and I guess kind of help
their ecosystem recognize if you're going to really create this

(01:49:42):
safe space, then here's how you not only support, but
how you make sure you don't weaponize, because on the ground,
that's what I see. I don't know if anybody else
has seen that anecdotally, but I've seen a lot of
comments about black men in therapy, and almost always that's
the reticence is not only not wanting to look weak,
but not wanting to have it weaponized against the road.

Speaker 12 (01:50:00):
And I'd love to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
I think I can answer that in the two part one.

Speaker 38 (01:50:06):
I definitely think that it starts with creating spaces where
black men can be honest without actually being judged. So
I don't care if if it's the barbershop, if it's
mentorship circles, if it's social media campaign Sometimes just even
having a friend who can check in on you commonly
can make a difference. But I think when it comes

(01:50:28):
down to the role of a wander, especially because a
lot of these men are in relationships, but we also
can play a role in help and our black men
open up. And so we've always held a space, you know,
for black women, have always held a space for our men.
But I think we have to ask women now to

(01:50:48):
hold that space differently.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
You know, instead of pressuring the black man. You just
need to talk to me. You know, I'm talking to you.

Speaker 38 (01:50:56):
You ain't saying anything to me. I think creating a space.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
Through uh, through the present, through.

Speaker 38 (01:51:03):
Through patients and listening without judgment, yes, encourage you know, therapy,
but also be able to check on not only like
for me if in a relationships like okay, I need
to check on my own conditioning, how am I actually
responding to my partner? And if we want our men
to open up, we have to allow them to open
up with calling them weak and we're.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
They're carrying a lot, We're carrying a lot.

Speaker 38 (01:51:27):
And so to be real, I mean, women have been therapists,
you know, without degrees for a very long time, so
we know what it takes. I think we just have
not only protect our space, but just show up differently
and be able to reframe and relabel what it means
to have a mental health is our challenge your concerns klick.

Speaker 30 (01:51:47):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 18 (01:51:48):
I felt like I've been sitting in a session right here,
So thank you for I've been telling myself lately that
mental health, uh isn't a weakness, but it's survival and
as you said, it's and I believe healing my trauma
and childhood trauma is the new sexy, and so showing
up for me and finding grace is the new sexy.
And I believe that we need more cultural competator, as

(01:52:11):
you said, therapists and policies that are school based and
community rooted, we're folks to get introduced at a young age.
My question to you would be, how do you approach
healing when the trauma is both personal and structural at.

Speaker 30 (01:52:23):
The same time?

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
Repeat the question the end of the question.

Speaker 18 (01:52:28):
Yeah, how do you approach healing when trauma is both
personal and structural at the same time?

Speaker 38 (01:52:35):
You know, I think with healing, not only the education,
you know, breaking the cycles, make sure we understand like hey,
our fathers, our grandfathers, we've all been through things, and
renaming the language for for our emotions and providing education.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
What was the last percus? I lost track of what
I was actually trying to respond.

Speaker 18 (01:53:00):
Both personal when it comes to like the family, but
also the structural parts of it as well, like how
do you how do you approach it when trump?

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
So I'll tell you.

Speaker 38 (01:53:13):
I mean, because I have had an experience in my
own trauma and experiences, and I think that I got
to a point I thought I could say everyone, I
show up, I show out whatever I can do, and
it ended up having a reversed aspect on me because I
end up, you know, finding myself spiring. But personally I

(01:53:33):
encourage my brother's, anybody that's in my family. Hey, it
is okay to cry, It's okay free. We've all experienced
our true but we need to make sure we understand
what exactly's been through and whatever we can do to
provide the additional knowledge, make sure that we provide education,
and you know, really showed the importance of what health

(01:53:55):
is and how we actually can you know, benefit from it,
and it's okay to participate.

Speaker 12 (01:54:00):
There is okay to do it, Michael.

Speaker 20 (01:54:06):
The question that I had doctor is looking at the study,
it made a direct correlation between UH strong higher stress
levels and symptoms of depression UH and it also talked
about the experiences of every day racial and non racial discrimination,
et cetera.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
Talked about the environment as well. Pressure's coming from the environment.

Speaker 20 (01:54:30):
What are some ways that we can reduce the stress
level which will ultimately reduce incidences of depression in these
young African American men.

Speaker 38 (01:54:43):
I'm not sure why it's a little broken up and
missing parts of like some of the courts, but it
sounds like you were asking how can we reduce stress
levels in environments?

Speaker 20 (01:54:57):
Yeah, stress levels, because there's a there's a correlation. Then
the strongest predictor of depression in the study was perceived stress,
and he talked about higher stress levels had significantly greater odds, right,
being depressive symptoms.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Right, doctor, you said, how do you reduce stress in
order to not fall to stave of depression?

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
How to reduce stress in work?

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
How to reduce stress in order to stave off depression?

Speaker 38 (01:55:26):
You know, I think when we have chaotic environments, people
often feel powerless, and so having routines, whether it's you know,
knowing how you're actually starting, having some routine.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
There's different things you can do, whether it's.

Speaker 38 (01:55:40):
You know, taking breaks, you know, daily, having you know,
a playlist, but having some grounding techniques. And I think
most importantly it's being able to have some emotional boundaries.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
Most of us we don't. We have these high levels
of stress.

Speaker 38 (01:55:57):
We have high demand jobs and we need to circle back,
have powerful boundary setting, and so when we're stressed, it
reduces this overwhelmed It allows us to stay emotionally intact,
and so we have to use you know, maybe some
environment hacks, you know, comming sense.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
We may need to soften like our lighting.

Speaker 38 (01:56:21):
But whatever we can do to regulate movement and how stress,
that is the best thing that you can do.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
To manage, all.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Right, Doc, any online sources you would direct people too.
If they need something to look.

Speaker 38 (01:56:36):
Up, you can come to my website ctmcounseling dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
We are we have all the resources that are needed.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Again, it's at t Tmcounseling dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
Ttmcounseling dot com.

Speaker 38 (01:56:51):
We're based in LA however, we service maybe I think
now we're at thirty two states and we have every
type of resource you can possibly think of. We have groups,
you know, individual therapy for those that are actually.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
All right, then we certainly appreciate it.

Speaker 30 (01:57:10):
Thanks, thanks so very much, Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
I appreciate you all right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Then, let me thank Tyler, Let me thank Michael, Let
me thank Matt for being on today's show. Gentlemen, I
sherctly appreciate it. No, I did not forget about the
Senda Corey Booker video. My dad texted me like, when
you're gonna play that, I'm like, I got it, I'm
gonna play it. Calm down. So it was a little
drama between Senta Cory Booker and Senator Ted Cruz, and

(01:57:35):
you had syn it this week. Yeo. I can't help
but not play it.

Speaker 21 (01:57:42):
I would make two brief observations Number one, It is interesting,
as our Democrat colleagues defend these nationwide injunctions, that neither
of them made any reference to the fact that the
number of nations and wide injunctions issued in the first
four months is greater than the entire twentieth century, and

(01:58:05):
is greater than all of the nationwide injunctions issued against Bush, Obama,
and Biden combined. Nor did they address the disturbing fact
that of the forty universal injunctions that have been issued
in the last four months, thirty five of them came
from the same five judicial districts.

Speaker 25 (01:58:29):
There is a reason for this.

Speaker 21 (01:58:31):
Blue state attorneys general and radical leftist groups are seeking
out affirmatively radical judges who they know will impose their.

Speaker 25 (01:58:40):
Own policy preferences.

Speaker 21 (01:58:42):
If it were simply, as our Democrat colleagues said, judges
following the law, then you wouldn't have to keep going
to the same radical judges over and over and over again,
because judges across the board should do that. But the
litigants know exactly who the zelots are that are on
the BA, and that's who they are seeking out. I
will also point out that the discussion about the urgency

(01:59:06):
of protecting the safety of judges. Listen, I agree we
should protect the safety of every federal judge. But it
is interesting because my Democrat colleagues were utterly silent during
four years of the Biden administration when you had violent
mobs outside the homes of Supreme Court justices unhappy with

(01:59:26):
the Supreme Court's ruling in Dobbs, and the Biden Justice
Department refused to enforce federal law and protect the justices.
And my Democrat colleagues were perfectly happy with Supreme Court
justices being threatened if they disliked the rulings that were
coming from the Supreme Court justices. Unlike my colleagues, I
believe we should protect judges regardless of whether I agree

(01:59:49):
with them or not.

Speaker 25 (01:59:50):
We should protect their safety.

Speaker 21 (01:59:52):
And every time you hear a Democrat senator talk about
protecting judges from acts of violence, you ought to ask
them why did they not have a word to say
about the Biden Justice Department allowing mobs to threaten the
families and children of Supreme Court justices night after night
after night, while Biden's Attorney General refused to follow the law.

Speaker 22 (02:00:12):
And with that, the Chairman, would you indulge me for
a moment.

Speaker 25 (02:00:17):
We indulge you every moment.

Speaker 22 (02:00:19):
I appreciate that active generosity. It's just something you said
that I think is actually dangerous and should be addressed.
And you're welcome. But when Judge Enerol was killed in
New Jersey, the Republican colleagues in the Senate, they're outpouring
of support, their outpouring of concern. They're willing to work
together on a bipartisan bill was extraordinary. It shows the

(02:00:42):
truth of this institution that despite some of the fiery
rhetoric that you were selling, we're really a by parties
working bipartisanship. Cornyn and Coombs, after the incidents you're talking about,
got together and actually passed a bill to better protect
our Supreme Court justices, many of whom are friends of ours.

(02:01:03):
Gorsich and I disagree on a lot of stuff. I
knew his wife before he did. We studied together at Oxford.
This implication that there was silence when there were threats
on their people's houses is absolutely absurd. I remember the
rhetoric and the comments, the concern from Coons. I actually
distinctly remember you Chairman on more than once condemning those

(02:01:26):
attacks on Republican appointed jurists. To say things like that
feeds just the partisanship in this institution and feeds the
fiery rhetoric. And it's just plain not true. It's just
plain not true. And I think you know that. But
we can pull from the record from my colleagues in
real time, literally days afterwards condemning it. There's a lot

(02:01:48):
of substantive things to say here, But to think that
the lack of humanity when people's homes are being threatened
was not in existence, I think that's unfair and really
concerns me that you would say that.

Speaker 6 (02:01:59):
In the way that you did it.

Speaker 25 (02:02:01):
Well, I thank my colleague from New Jersey.

Speaker 21 (02:02:03):
I will note, as John Adams observed, that facts are
stubborn things. And it is existing federal law eighteen USC.
Section fifteen oh seven that makes it a crime to
protest at a judge's home. And the law provides whoever
with the intent of interfering, with, obstructing, or impeding the
administration of justice, or with the intent or of influencing

(02:02:25):
any judge, durer, witness, or court officer in the discharge
of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a
building housing a Court of the United States inter near
a building or residence occupied or used by such judge,
juror witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses
any sound, truck, or similar device, or resorts to any
other demonstration in or near any such building or residence,

(02:02:48):
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than one year, or both.

Speaker 25 (02:02:56):
That is federal criminal law.

Speaker 21 (02:02:58):
Night after night after angry mobs were outside the Supreme
Court justices homes, and in the entire course of it,
the Biden Justice Department prosecuted nobody. We had the Attorney
General sitting at that table, and multiple Republican senators asked him,
why are you not enforcing the law. What they are

(02:03:19):
doing is a crime. And my friend from New Jersey said,
it is a lie to say we the Democrats.

Speaker 25 (02:03:28):
Condone this.

Speaker 21 (02:03:30):
I would challenge my friend find a single Democrat senator
on this committee holding the Attorney General to account for
not enforcing this law. I was here at those hearings,
and I do not recall a single Democrat senator saying
to the Attorney General, you should arrest these people who

(02:03:50):
are violating the law. You should protect the judges. I
agree that there was general language against violence, But not
a single Democrat Senate that I ever saw in this
committee was willing to hold Attorney General Merrick Garland to
account for flagrantly disregarding the federal criminal law because the

(02:04:11):
Biden administration agreed with the protesters and I think wanted
those justices haomassed at their home.

Speaker 22 (02:04:17):
I really appreciate that you've now shifted the accusation you
made earlier. Your accusation was that we were silent in
the face of protests at Supreme Court justices Holmes. Again,
we joined together in a bipartisan way not only to
condemn that, but to pass legislation to extend round the

(02:04:38):
clock security protection literally days was introduced May fifth, passed
the Senate bipartisan fashion on May night. So if you're
saying that we didn't criticize.

Speaker 21 (02:04:47):
Them and arrest a single person under earth law, who
are now changing the No, that is what that is
what I said again.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
I'll pull I'll pull the record.

Speaker 25 (02:04:55):
It did the Biden do arrest even one?

Speaker 6 (02:04:57):
Again?

Speaker 25 (02:04:58):
The answer is no.

Speaker 22 (02:05:00):
Point to who is the accusation that the Democrats on
this committee do not care about the safety or federal judges.
I did not interrupt you, sir, I would appreciate if
you let me finish. I am sick and tired of
hearing the kind of heated partisan rhetoric, which is one

(02:05:21):
of the reasons why we have such divisions in this country.
The attacks we see from the President of the United
States of America, trolling and dragging judges through is what
we should be talking about. That puts people in danger.
I'm simply taking issue with the claim that you made
at the top that people on the Democratic side of

(02:05:42):
the aisle do not care about the safety and the
security of judges and said nothing. You said we were
silent after people's houses were protested.

Speaker 6 (02:05:52):
That is a patent lie, sir.

Speaker 22 (02:05:54):
We were not silent.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
We took action.

Speaker 22 (02:05:57):
We've joined in a bipartisan way to protect those judges,
as was done in a bipartisan way to protect a
New Jersey judge after their horrific attack at their home.
So I see you now trying to shift the debate
to whether we talk to an attorney general. I'm simply
taking issue with this accusation that somehow we Democrats are

(02:06:19):
so bad because we don't call out threats to college
to our judicial.

Speaker 6 (02:06:24):
Colleagues and that is wrong.

Speaker 22 (02:06:26):
You could change the argument now that you want, but
what you said was patently not true and was in
fact a patent lie.

Speaker 21 (02:06:34):
So I do enjoy the fact that my colleague from
New Jersey raises his voice and says it's a patent lie,
and says he's doing so in defense of lowering the rhetoric.
There is some irony to doing those two together. I'll
point out that in the entire course of those remarks,
Senator Booker did not dispute the central point I made,

(02:06:57):
which is the Biden Justice Department arrested z zero people,
prosecuted zero people for violating the criminal law, and every
Democrat senator on this committee was silent about it.

Speaker 25 (02:07:10):
And this was an ongoing pattern for months.

Speaker 21 (02:07:13):
And I would note also that the Senator from New
Jersey clutched his pearls about language threatening judges, and yet
I do not recall a single Democrat senator of this
committee saying a word when Chuck Schumer went to the
steps of the Supreme Court and threatened the safety of
the Supreme Court justices by name Gorsichen Kavanaugh, and he said,

(02:07:35):
you have unleashed the whirlwind, and you will pay the price.
And not a single Democrat senator had a word to
say about this, and so their outrage is selective. And
I will give my colleague from New Jersey a chance
to just answer a simple yes, no question. Should the
Biden Justice Department have enforced the criminal law against protesting

(02:07:59):
at a justice home?

Speaker 25 (02:08:00):
Yes or no.

Speaker 22 (02:08:02):
So the rank hypocrisy of Chuck Schumer apologizing the next
day and you holding that standard for him and not
for your president, who you actually rightfully describe when you
were running against him in a primary. I would love
to run those tapes of how you perfectly talked about
the danger of our president and his rhetoric. But now

(02:08:23):
you are failing in fact blind to the very things
you're accusing Chuck Schumer of.

Speaker 6 (02:08:29):
I don't think Donald Trump.

Speaker 22 (02:08:30):
Would know an apology if it hit him in the head,
never set apologizing. So again, you are very very sir,
very very deep into the waters of hypocrisy in your
criticisms of Chuck Schumer.

Speaker 21 (02:08:44):
So let the record reflect that Spartacus did not answer
the question and did not tell us whether the criminal
law should be enforced, because he knows the answer is yes,
and he knows that the Biden Department of Justice was
being wildly political and partisan in refusing to enforce the
law because they disagreed with the Supreme Court Justice's rulings.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Without a doubt that Ted Cruz is one of the
most pathetic, despicable individuals that serves in the United States Senate.
He is an asshole and it is shameful that I
have to deal with him being the junior Senator from
Texas because he has no integrity, no honor, no decency.
And yes, the things that he said about Donald Trump

(02:09:28):
were absolutely true. And if there's anybody that has sold
their sould out to Donald Trump, it is Ted Cruz.
And so that's why I wanted to show that blathering
idiot on today's show. Folks. That is it for us.
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