NC Voter Roll Lawsuit, Diddy Trial Update, Musk Rips ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ & Mike Sumler’s Death

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Today is Wednesday, May twenty eight, two thousand and twenty five.
Coming up on roland Mark Unfiltered streaming on the Black
Star Network. Well, guess what the Trump Department of Justice
they are suing North Carolina accusing the state of failing
to maintain accurate voter registration lists, which could potentially impact
hundreds of thousands of registrations. All they're doing is picking

(00:37):
up on the failed live being that was pushed by
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Speaker 3 (01:25):
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whatever it is. He's got the school, the fact, the fine,
and we believes he's right on time and is strolling
best belief he's going. Look, Frank, he's Loston News to
politics with entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Just fuck cakes, he's stolen.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's strolling Mota yea.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Rolling with.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
Hesprescial's failed the question.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
No, he's rolls in.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Now, Trump's Department of Justice, they don't give a damn
about actually the regular ordinary people when it comes to
voting lawsuits. They are shutting down those that impact black
and brown people. But now they're taking up a lie
that was being pushed by a Republican Supreme Court nominee.
You know he lost after six months, he lost to
Supreme Court Justice Allison Riggs. Now they are filing a

(02:41):
lawsuit against the State of North Carolina, the State Board
of Elections. The legend that officials failed to maintain accurate
voter registration records for potentially hundreds of thousands of.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Voters, a lot of them veterans.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
The suit legends the border violated the Federal Help America
Vote Act by registering voters without collecting required identifying informations.
Lightsn's number or the last four digits was Social Security
number on forms U statewide since two thousand and four.
Now on state officials have been quietly updating the forms
last year, but did not reach out to people already registered,
which could be anywhere from sixty thousand to more than

(03:14):
two hundred thousand voters. As I said, this is what
was advanced by the Republican who lost to Supreme Court,
just as Alison Riggs.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
So he lost by seven hundred and thirty four votes.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
So only in his race he wanted to invalidate some
sixty five thousand voters. A lot of them y'all are
veterans who vote overseas.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
He lost, he had to concede the race.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
But here you see Trump trying to advance the live
Rebecca Caruthers, Executive vice president, Fair Election Center out of DC,
Derek Jackson, Georgia State Representative out of Atlanta, Kennis Kelly,
legal analysts and hosts of not All Hood out of
South Orangetet, Jersey, Gland. That to have all three of y'all.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Here, So this is beyond pathetic.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Rebecca and again this is them pushing the lie that
this Republican in North Carolina failed on he kept losing,
and now they're trying to take up his calls.

Speaker 8 (04:14):
You know what Roland would makes us even more ridiculous
is that the voting rights section of the DOJ has
been largely gutted.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
So it's hard leading one loved over there. And so
of all.

Speaker 8 (04:25):
Cases to bring, this is the first case that this
administration is bringing. There's several issues with this. Yes, it
could potentially impact hundreds of thousands of brush of duly
registered voters in North Carolina, but it's going to impact
Republicans just like it's going to impact Democrats. The issue
here is as the DOJ is outlying potential remedies, it

(04:47):
gets a little bit tricky. Like, for instance, it's saying
that North Carolina would have to contact every voter that
doesn't have the last four of their social Security number
attached to their voter registration, and if they don't hear
from that specific voter, then they'll just a sign like
a unique.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
Numeric code to that voter.

Speaker 8 (05:08):
So it's still unclear exactly what the dj wants North
Carolina to do. And then it's also unclear if HAVA,
which is what this lawsuit is bringing, being broad under
Help America Votes Act, It's unclear if this is actually
a remedy that you can do under.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
HAVE So it doesn't make sense out of all.

Speaker 8 (05:30):
Things to go after with voting rights, that this is
what the Department of Justice decides is the most important
in this country right now.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean it's very clear in what they're trying
to do is they are trying to pick up the
mantle of the failure of this Republican and they want
to target they want to shave off voters. Look, you're
in Georgia, y'all have had to deal with Rathisberger and

(05:58):
Kip wiping folks off the rolls. I mean, they want
to shrink the electric because they say makes it easier
for them to win.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, Roland, You're exactly right.

Speaker 9 (06:10):
I mean, especially when you think about Georgia, North Carolina, Florida,
these eleven Southern Confederate states. Since the Supreme Court back
in July of twenty thirteen removed Section five, that preclearance requirement,
these eleven states went to work. Georgia kicked things off

(06:30):
with Senate Bill two L two a ninety eight page
document that makes it harder for black and brown people
to vote, especially women, especially military, especially seniors, especially college students.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
They went specifically at.

Speaker 9 (06:49):
These groups Roland because they lost in twenty twenty. And
then this is the same party that continue to proliferate
a lot of twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
And so, just as Rebecca stated, it is ridiculous on.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
His face for them to say the system is broke
when they lose, but it's okay.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
When they win. You can't have it both ways. And
so let's do the right thing.

Speaker 9 (07:15):
Let's pass the John Lewis Voter Rice Act, something that's
gonna make it fair for everyone. But you won't see
them do that because that's not what they want. As
it was already stated, the Department of Justice is not
about doing the right work to make sure all citizens

(07:35):
vote Roland.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
This is another way for them to.

Speaker 9 (07:38):
Flood the zone to distract us, because there's no there,
there and here in Georgia our challenge right now, next
month they're talking about removing about half a million Georgian's
off the voting poe.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 9 (07:56):
And so these are the kind of things we got
to fight up, fight against and make sure we stand
up and speak out against as they continue to try
to disenfranchise the voters.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's real clear and they don't give a damn about
regular ordinary people can this. They don't care about black people,
They don't care about their votes being screwed over, shutting
down voting locations. This is about white conservatives. This is
about them winning more racist This is what this is
all about, pure and simple.

Speaker 10 (08:27):
Right and all the things that they should be focusing
in on in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
This is what they're going after.

Speaker 10 (08:34):
Just like Rebecca said, I think the other thing is
the effect of this lie. Rebecca said too, it's going
to be something that's quite the opposite of what they
had intended, kind of like DEEI yeah, it affected mostly
white women. Now we're looking at this, it's going to
be affective Republican base also.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
And then we're talking about due process rights here.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
Right, if you have somebody that is not given a
fair opportunity and its duly informed about what is wrong,
what is wrong with their voting record in the process
that they didn't even know about, you have to give
some time. You know, the Civil Rights Division is talking
about thirty days to try to correct some of this
in some way, shape or form. But you can't go
through a process, especially when it comes to voting rights,

(09:16):
and we know how important that is, and just rip
these types of rights away before you give a person
the opportunity to correct it. They didn't even know that
that was a problem. In other words, it wasn't even
the fault of the voters. So there are a whole
lot of issues that need to be addressed here. But
certainly this is something that's not just going to affect

(09:36):
black democrats.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
It's going to affect everybody.

Speaker 10 (09:39):
And I think that that is something that the Republicans
are being very blind to.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Oh absolutely, and it's a buntly clear.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
So people just need to understand, just like we talked
about with these cases of black folks voters being shot
and killed by cops, we are not going to get
anything from these idiots and Trump's Department of Justice, the
crazy woman over the Civil Rights Division, that food, that.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Black Maga Food, Leo Terrell.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
They don't give a damn about the voting rights of
black people. So just letting y'all know it ain't gonna happen,
So just understand, compare yourself that ain't gonna happen. All right,
gotta go to break. We come back more on the show.
We're gonna talk to Diddy Trial. Also, I'm gonna show
y'all how Donald Trump and the Republicans want to play
black people and guess what, some of it's effective. Donald

(10:30):
Trump has partned, He's partned big time Chicago game leader
Larry Hooper, but he ain't getting out of prison.

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Speaker 2 (13:33):
M alright, folks, there's an idiot sitting in the Oval office.
It ain't it ain't even it ain't even closed. Absolute idiot.

(13:56):
So today, y'all, this is I saw this and I
just thought it was It was too hilarious. So reporter
decides to ask the grifter in chief, who is really
stupid when it comes to tariffs?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
What what the what? What the conservative Wall Street Journal said?
And let me help y'all lot.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
The Wall Street Journal is a conservative Republican newspaper. They've
always been about Republican policies. It is owned by Rupert Murdoch,
who owns a New York Post and Fox News. So
here's what the reporter said today that just really set

(14:34):
off Donald Trump when he was like, oh my god,
this question is just so horrible. How dare you ask
y'all got the y'all got the video ready? Uh And
and it really to me was it's just is a
perfect example of how stupid this man is.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Listen to this does president?

Speaker 16 (14:57):
Wall Street analysts have pointed a new term called a
taco trade, saying Trump always chickens out on your tear threats,
and that's why markets are hired this week.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
What's your response to that?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I kick out?

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Check it out?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh, and then I check it out.

Speaker 19 (15:10):
I've never heard that. You mean, because I reduced China
from one hundred and forty five percent that I set
down to one hundred and then down to another number,
and I said, you have to open up your whole country.
And because I gave the European Union a fifty percent
tax tariff, and they called up and they said, please,

(15:31):
let's meet right now. Please, let's meet right now. And
I said, okay, I'll give you till jan nine. I
actually asked them, I said what's the date, because they
weren't willing to meet. And after I did what I did,
they said, we'll meet any time you want, and we
have an end date of July ninth. You call that
chickening out because we have fourteen trillion dollars now invested,

(15:55):
committed to investing when Biden didn't have practically anything. Biden,
this country was dying. You know, we have the hottest
country anywhere in the world. I went to Saudi Arabia.
The king told me, he said, you got the hottest company.
We have the hottest country in the world right now.
Six months ago this country was stone cold dead. We
had a dead country. We had a country people didn't

(16:16):
think it was going to survive. And you ask a
nasty question like that, It's called negotiation. You set a number,
and if you go down, you know, if I set
a number at a ridiculous high number and I go
down a little bit, you know, a little bit, they
want me to hold that number. One hundred and forty
five percent tariff even. I said, man, that really got up.

(16:36):
You know how it got because the fent and all
and many other things, and you eded it up.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I said, where are we now.

Speaker 19 (16:43):
We're at one hundred and forty five percent. I said, WHOA,
that's high. That's high. They were doing no business whatsoever,
and they were having a lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
We were very nice to China.

Speaker 19 (16:51):
I don't know if they're going to be nice to us.
But we were very nice to China, and in many ways,
I think we really helped China tremendously because you know,
they were having great difficulty because we were basically going
cold Turkey with China. We were doing no business because
of the tariff because it was so high. But I
knew that. But don't ever say what you said. That's

(17:12):
a nasty questions.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Expressed to me. That's the nastiest question.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
A nasty man talking about what is a nasty question?
You know, it's it's really it really is hilarious to
me when you listen to that idiot and that's that's
really that's really what he is, A complete idiot.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You'll be good, but it's so nasty. Do you ask
me the question?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Luck?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
You asked me that question because you know, of calling
me out because I looked like an idiot, uh, because
the question is just so it's the nastiest question I've
gotten in the past five minutes. Because what he really
prefers is he really prefers for people uh to constantly
kiss his ass. And so he stands before the cameras

(17:59):
and says, oh my god, I couldemy was dead. Couondomy
was so debt, the economy was going.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
All over the place. Really, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
This is the Joint Economic Committee for Democrats. This isn't
mean these actual facts. This is twenty twenty one that
used to kindom be improved doing Biden's first year in office,
first twelve months, most in fifty years, job growth, economic growth,
retail sales, Oh, the comic growth the fastest rate nearly
forty years GDP up five point seven percent. Look at

(18:31):
these numbers. Look at that right there. Huh, let's see here,
five point seven percent on the far right. That's the
most since nineteen eighty four. That's kind of interesting. And
this is from the Buerau Economic Analysis. This is what
is crazy. This is what also what's amazing. Dey're gonna

(18:52):
start with you because he's a liar.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
He's a liar. Maga.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
They're pretty stupid. They believe the lies. Uh anything that
that fool says that they fall for. Uh and uh
and and this is exactly uh what happens. And the
fact of the matter is, uh, the economy improved greatly.
The United States economy grew faster than any other industrialized

(19:20):
nation post COVID. So it's a lie. Donald Trump is
a liar. He's lying when he says the country was dead.
We were always dead. We were dead.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
It's a lie. He's straight lining. And uh.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And this is this is where if you're a reporter
you should have you should say, well, I'm sorry, you're incorrect,
because the economy grew the fastest any of the dustrialized
country say they won't do that. So what they do
is and the same thing happens when you see the
people going. I say, the other day was Speaker Mike
Johnson goes on with Jake Tapper and he asked him about.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
That crypto dinner. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I was really busy last week, you know. Uh uh,
you know, with with with with the House Bill. I
didn't hear about any of this. Really, you didn't hear
about any this, and then it will allow them to
go in and lie.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, you're gonna shut the lives down, you.

Speaker 20 (20:06):
Know, Roland again, this is the liar in chief, right,
I mean, someone has a tally thus far I think
documented like thirty one thousand lies since this dude been in.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Office the first time, thirty one thousand.

Speaker 9 (20:24):
But here's the bottom line to the essence of your point,
facts and data be damn they don't care about facts
and data.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
They know six months.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
Ago the headlines of our economy strong, right, financially solvent.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
The stock market was a run away freight train, a bull,
if you will.

Speaker 9 (20:56):
But now the headlines are saying potential session. The CBO's
office is saying that this task cut.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Bill will negatively.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
Impact Medicaid, Medicare, and social Security. It will reduce the
solvency of Social Security. The CBO also says that this
is going to increase our national debt another four point
five trillion dollars. And so when you so, we can

(21:30):
look at the two bookends, what the headlines were six
months ago and what they are now.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
It's this amazing that he says some.

Speaker 9 (21:40):
Saudi prints told him that we're hot, as if he
shouldn't know what our state of economy with the health
of our economy.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, first of all, let's be real clear. The Saudi king.
Let's be real clear.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Okay, the Saudi king, the Saudi king King is I
don't believe nothing Trump said. So when Trump said, well,
the keth told me, But I don't bleeve a fool.
I don't believe that fool At all because he don't
lie about that. He again liars will lie. All this
man does is lie. That's what he does over and

(22:17):
over and over again, Candice. And so when he said
again everything he said that was a lie. So I
don't believe the Saudi King.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
You got the hardest got.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Saudi King will say whatever to make that dumb ass
feel good.

Speaker 10 (22:34):
Listen, even if he had video of it rolling, we'd
have to double check and make sure yes lie.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
You know, we have to double check everything. We don't
know these days.

Speaker 10 (22:43):
Trump acts in a way that anything anybody says secretly
or behind closed doors on private phone calls, they all
are loving Trump.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
They're all in Trump's favor.

Speaker 10 (22:54):
I think that one of the things that's so interesting,
As you said, with the Wall Street Journal being conservative operation,
which is has always been right for Murdochs of the world,
here was a paper calling him Taco right. Trump always
changes chickens out. So you've got this thing going on
where the press is supposed to be his friend. He

(23:15):
could not have won any election, as with anybody, but
especially not Trump was not gonna win an election without
without the media being his friends.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
So number one, he is losing that ground.

Speaker 10 (23:26):
Swell of support, and even if he's not, that's what
it looks like. Second, you call him taco and what
do you think about when you think about tacos Mexicans.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
I mean, this was just way out of the league.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
And I think the eighth grader in him, which is
what we often see and how he negotiates, was just
did not like the name calling. Besides anything else, besides
him flipping on the tariffs, besides him not getting you know,
the media support. Trump liked to be the leader of
the bullies in the eighth grade, and in this taco calling,

(23:58):
he lost out bullied. They bullied him, and to answer
me your question, they bullied him and now given him
his name, that's certainly gonna stick. He doesn't want to
be associated with anybody that should be deported from the country.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
He doesn't want.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Anything to do with tacos, anything you should with Mexican
anything you do with anything. So they really got him,
and I think that that's where a lot of his
his anks and his anger was coming from in this
press conference.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And again, he's a liar.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
We can't get around the reality here, Rebecca.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
This is a massive liar.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I believe nothing that comes out of his mouth. If
Donald Trump says, oh my god, it's really raining outside,
I'm literally going to go to the window and double check.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't believe anything.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
That fools if Donald Trump is I believe nothing this
man says, because he will lie about lies.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
If Trump said it was running outside, I'm going outside
after my silk press without aumbrilla.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Like, it's like, come on.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
Not only is he playing chicken, he's almost like what
Biff from Back to the Future where he's kind of
a bully but really has no teeth.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
As what we're watching is like the tariff hokey pokey.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
He's saying, Okay, I'm gonna put twenty five percent on
you Canada. Oh, but I'm gonna roll it back to
ten percent because now you're saying you're going to do
reciprocal tariffs.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
Oh, China, I'm gonna go up.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
To seventy five percent, and kinda is like, okay, I'll
raise you one hundred and twenty five percent. So he
for someone who's talked about all the winning that he does,
and he's a winner, and all he does is win.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
So far, I haven't seen any of it. Instead, what
we've seen.

Speaker 8 (25:45):
Is that the American economy is taking a hit. We're
seeing that there's fluctuations on the stock market that shouldn't
really be there.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
And to your point.

Speaker 8 (25:54):
At the top of this segment is, you know, there
are real concerns that we're going to have a recession,
but this it's not going to be a recession from
the classical sense of just the economy going through his
different cycles. But it's going to be a Trump induced recession.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
And I'm just sitting here watching these these idiot maga
people and there's no other phrase I have to call
you know again. I remember I was on ce An End.
I was an answer Cooper, John, Avlon, Derek, and they're like,
you know, he was like Rolando, he's not really smart
to call the miracle people stupid. No, I'm like, well,
you're stupid. You're stupid, Okay, And you know who's stupid?

(26:33):
North Carolina people who voted for Trump. You know who's stupid.
Missouri people who voted for Trump. You know who's stupid,
Arkansas people who voted for Donald Trump. Because you know
what he's done. He said, no, Carolina, you ain'tetting hurricane
relief Missouri. Oh yes, I'm uh destructive tornado. You ain't
getting you ain't getting relief, Arkansas. Sarah huggingby Sanders, who

(26:54):
was his chief liar in the White House the first half,
begging him. He's like, now y'all getting relieved. These dumb
asses voted for him, and he goes, oh, I'm sorry.
When the hurricane trenade hit, y'all go to help kick Rocks,
I'm giving you nothing, and he's idiots.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Still there, you're here bout God. That's about God.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Listen, you gotta add Georgia to that mix.

Speaker 21 (27:19):
To Roland at Georgia, because he declined to give us
our five point five billion dollars for FEMA for a
hurricane that happened last fall.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
He also he also negatively.

Speaker 9 (27:34):
Impacting our plan in terms of our infrastructure, our electric
vehicles charging station, all the federal grant dollars that that president,
former President Biden had already tailored to come to Georgia.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
He already told Brian Kemp, the governor, Hey, I ain't
sending you your money, So you got to add Georgia
to that mix.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
Rolling these individuals keep kissing the Orange butt and getting
zero things in return. And this is a transactional president
that refuses to do the things that he should be doing.

(28:19):
And the last point I would say is this too though, Roland,
you mentioned about the coins, the mean coins, the five
million dollars per personal, million dollars per person.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
That's extortion. That's extortion.

Speaker 9 (28:32):
They don't but the Republicans don't want to call.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
It that, right so the Speaker of the House, I
was busy that day.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
I'm not sure what was going on. Really, this guy's
he's an extortionist.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
They don't want to call it that. But what do
criminals do?

Speaker 9 (28:49):
What would a thirty four filling count criminal would do?
Criminals conduct crime, mob bouses, they conduct crime.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
And that's what he's doing.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
He is robbing the American people right before our eyes.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
This is the greatest ice I ever seen that.

Speaker 9 (29:09):
Even even Hollywood couldn't even dream up such a movie
as this.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
And Rebecca, this is actually how Fox News responds, Let's see,
I think we have a lead like that is just
like don't even I mean, they laugh about this whole deal.
That's what I'm telling you. I am I am very
I am very clear. Rebecca, whoever runs for president for

(29:36):
Democrats in twenty twenty eight, this is how they should respond.
Are you going to release your COGS transcripts?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Hell no? Are you going to release your better correcords?
Hell no?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Are you going to put your your investments in the
Blind Trust?

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Hell no? In fact, fuck it, I'm launched my own coin. No.
I mean, I just, I mean, I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I just again, literally, I keep telling that I keep
trying not to cuss. So y'all, y'all want to hear
me cuss, go ahead and turn it down. I keep
trying not to cuss.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
And I really did you try?

Speaker 22 (30:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, no, no, no no, I'm like, pull back on something.
But I'm telling y'all, this is what matter of fact,
I'm gonad. This is what I need in twoenty twenty
eight I need in twenty twenty eight. Uh, there's that
there's a great scene in Harlem Nights my man Red Fox,

(30:41):
and y'all might remember the scene in Harlem Knights. Is
it was opening the scene they were they were, uh,
they were doing craps and and and they were complaining
about my man's eyesight and uh and he they made

(31:01):
him go put on some uh some glasses and uh
and then he came back and man, they were sitting
here rasing my man, talking about my man, dissing my
I mean, just giving giving him hell, giving him hell

(31:21):
and uh and and finally Red Fox just got tired.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Of them sitting here messing with him. He just got tired. Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And the character was Bennie. Y'all, remember Bennie.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Uh. And again they.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Were just sitting here and just just dogging my man.
And he was like, you know what, I'm really getting
getting tired of y'all, Uh, sitting here, uh, dogging me
by my glasses.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
And I never forget. He gave the best response to
his haters. And this should be.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
The response of any dim running in twenty twenty eight
when people start asking them.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
To do some stuff they never asked.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Donald Trump, go to my iPad, Anthony, y'all. That should
be it, right there, man, Fuck y'all, I'm serious. I mean,
because again, there's no there's no there's no advantage playing

(32:26):
by the rules. If you were a Democrat, you are
literally playing by a set of rules standards that Republicans
that I mean what we are literally seeing the raping
and the pillaging of America before I very eyes, and
they like Jared, I don't see nothing. I don't know

(32:46):
what y'all talk about it we're good. So I'm telling
you them should be all right, that's how y'all want
to play. Go on Fox News and just they should
be jamming ass.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Y'all ain't saying nothing. You ain't saying nothing. I'm sorry
because he's doing out in the open.

Speaker 9 (33:02):
We all good?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Now, man, that has to be the response, Remecca.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
That has to be the only way you respond.

Speaker 7 (33:09):
Here's the thing, there are no rules right now.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
And if people want to play the same political games
in the same gaymanship, we're going to be and we're
going to be stuck in.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
The same pass. First of all, this dude has already
said that he's going to run for a third term.
So at that point, that is an opening.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
That's that's an opening, that's an opening pitch to the
other side of Hey, do you believe in democracy or not?

Speaker 7 (33:34):
Do you believe that American people get to decide who's
going to be the next.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
President or not? And are you actually going to talk
about the issues that American voters say that they want
to talk about. And so whoever whoever becomes a nominie
on the Democratic side has to spend a lot of
time talking about how they're going to restore faith in government,
why government can be a good and transformative thing, and
then roll out a plan on how to do so.

(33:57):
And that person needs to start today, not just like
no offense to Bernie Sanders and AOC, not some self
serving tour, but actually a tour across this country where
you're actually talking to the people, hearing everyday issues, and
you're bringing people into the process of how together we
could solve it. And so far we haven't heard that

(34:17):
from the Democrats. Instead, we're seeing like these messaging things
that are showing up in response to what Trump and
the Republicans and Congress are doing. Quite frankly, that's not effective.
And so right now the Democrats aren't actually showing that
they have the ability to win in twenty twenty eight
and considering what Trump is doing, that's a shame.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's why, Candice, I'm telling you, as far as I'm concerned,
if I do any show and they bring up that
bullshit ass book by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, I'm
gonna do the classic, the classic black move that Chris
Tucker perfected Friday.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mm hmm. Gone on with that That's what I'm gonna do.
I ain't answer that bullshit. I ain't answering it. No,
hell no.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I mean again, though again, this whole Jake Tappler lyricis
the other day, what would the cover up of Biden's decline?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
What's bigger than Watergate? We get the fuck out of
here with that bullshit.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
You are losing the cutting game, my lord.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, I'm just again. What I'm trying to say is
what they want.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
What they want is they want Democrats, and this is
democrats big problem.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
They want to know.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
This is just how we need to respond. This is
the right way, do the right thing. We've got to
be bigger than that. And I'm sitting there going like, uh,
they don't give a damn.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
And I keep saying this.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Democrats could be five hundred yards away from the line.
They go, hey, don't get in the line. Republicans go
what line? You know?

Speaker 10 (36:05):
I'm glad you mentioned Jay Tapper and I'll get off
of him for one sec. But I get it on
him because what he did was not just.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Self serving, but it was just bad journalism.

Speaker 10 (36:14):
If you had all this information that you thought was
worthwhile and that people should know about why.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
Not share it.

Speaker 10 (36:19):
Why are you sitting in the whole time so you
can make a buck off of it, and then you're
advertising it on your station, which people do, don't get
me wrong, but his disposition and his attitude is just
so arrogant and self serving.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
I can't take it.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
On another note, I'm worried about the ninety million people
who did not vote.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
What are we going to do about them.

Speaker 10 (36:38):
Sure, we're in a position now where we can follow
precedent and do what Donald Trump did, but it's only
going to cause, like Rebecca said, more chaos. We have
got to get off of this idea that hey, you
do it, You're gonna do this. Well, I'm gonna do
this too, because when it comes time for another election
to happen, things are going to look way different, especially.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
If he runs again.

Speaker 10 (36:58):
Everybody's going to be throwing their hat and it's just
not going to serve us, meaning that what Trump is
doing is not going to serve us in the same way.
So we have a lot of work to do, but
there's certainly a lot of doors that are open for.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Us to do the work.

Speaker 10 (37:13):
Those folks who didn't even get up off their seats,
those are the folks that we need to be going
after to say, hey, you see what happens when you
don't get.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Off your behinds. Let's go out here and let's make
a difference.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Go vote.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Well, I just want again, if I'm if I am,
if I am engaging something, Derek Rebecca in Cannis, if
I'm in the middle of something, and if I'm sitting
here abiding by a set of rules and y'all not,
I'm like, oh, that's what we're doing. Okay, bet, bet

(37:52):
that's how we're rolling. All right, let's go. That's how
I'm gonna respond, Derek. And I'm telling you right now,
I think, in this moment, I just believe that, just
like you know, people were criticizing Glenn Ivy the other
day because Glenn Ivy.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Went to El Salvador.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Uh, and he was there trying to talk to Abrego
Garcia and and and and again. The wright loves to
sit here and play these games, all right, Uh, like
you said the n r c C. They posted a
tweet Democratic Glenn Ivy probably declared, I'm the congressman that

(38:35):
represents an alleged MS thirteen game member, domestic abuser, illegal immigrants.
Democrats will choose foreign criminals over American families every single time.
And you know what, if I'm Glenn Ivy. First of all,
if I'm Glenn Ivy, uh, and let me go ahead
and play this clip because this is him in L Salvador.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Uh, So let me play this, and I.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Got something to say to them, punk ass Republicans on
the other side.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Play it.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
I'm the congressman that represents Timar.

Speaker 23 (39:04):
I came all the way down from the United States
after we contacted their ambassador, after we'd made formal requests
to our ambassador to the l Salvadoran government, and we
came here to visit him today. And now they're teller
us we got to go all the way back to
tell Salvador to San Salvagorore to get a permit.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
We ought to have a chance to come in and visit.

Speaker 23 (39:24):
They knew we were coming, they knew why we were coming,
and then we have the.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Right to do this.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
So they need to just cut.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
The craft again.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Republicans are going So if I'm Ivy, this how I'm
gonna say it. I'm here in El Salvador trying to
see one of my constituents hold a Supreme Court said
nine to nothing.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Bring them back.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
That's how you do this, Derek, because see see and
here's what happens.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I saw this one story.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
They said that that Democratic leader Hakim Jeffers was telling
Democratic members stop going to Salvador.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
No no, no, no, you make due process. That's the story.
It's due process.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And you say, you say everybody deserves due process, whether
you're this person, whether you are a brother and sister
who is being charged in the cross. See, they want
to play this little.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Game or well, no he's illegal, so he don't get it.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
This is gonna be well no, no, no, no, he
got a record, so he don't get hold off.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
So who now gets due process? This is how you're
gonna fight back, Derek.

Speaker 9 (40:29):
Yeah, Now, listen, brother, I don't disagree with the approach,
but let's be honest here. There are two sets of rules.
I mean, you know we've mentioned it on your show
many many times over. We played the what if this
was Barack Obama game?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
And we all know if this was.

Speaker 9 (40:52):
Barack Obama, he would have been tortured on day one.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
If Brock would.

Speaker 9 (40:57):
Have came out with one hundred and forty two new
executive orders that was contraire to the Constitution. Come on, Rowland,
And so the game for us, I mean, put aside
the Democrat Republican for a second.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
There's the other dimension to this too. It's the if you.

Speaker 9 (41:20):
And I did something in society, the expectations are different
for us as a black man, and in their expectations
for Candice and Rebecca are different as a black woman.
And so we just don't get the opportunity and the options,
unlike the orange dude in the office.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I mean, think about this for a second.

Speaker 9 (41:44):
His net worth and this according to Forbes, which is
a Republican journalist magazine, what have you, They said his
net worth.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
In the one hundred and ten days has more than
double rolling.

Speaker 9 (42:01):
If that would have been Michelle Obama and Barack Obama,
the mediate, Jake Tapper and everybody.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Else, MSNBC, everybody.

Speaker 9 (42:10):
Would have been like, oh, that's that's wrong, that's unpresidential,
and this and that and the other. And so I'm
not disagreeing that when you fight a bully, you punch
him in the mouth.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
You punch a bully in the mouth.

Speaker 9 (42:23):
But when the dust settles, there are two cecil rules
in how we navigate those rules even to do processes
different people.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
I know we're gonna talk about it later.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
On your show about Diddy, everybody saying, well, hey, if
you just released the Christie personalities that were in jail
because they embezzled thirty five million dollars and he.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Just let them out because somebody gave him a million dollars,
come on again.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I'm just like, I don't have time to play games
with these people. This is where you got to go hard, Rebecca.
You can't play by a set of rules that no
longer exists. And as I say, if you're going swing Swain, yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
No one on this panel could even be the Orange man.
You know why Derek, Candice and.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
I refuse to be mediocre.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
What we're seeing is someone's mediocre who's constantly failed up,
and we see a party around him that are complicit.
Like what Derek was saying, if this is Barack Obama,
if this was Michelle Obama, if this was Barack Obama,
not only so, what the Democrats actually would have done,
They probably they would have tried to remove him. They
probably would have tried to seek out the twenty fifth
Amendment to remove him and declare him incompetent, unfit for

(43:38):
the office. I don't even think Congress would have had
to actually do an impeachment and a removal process. But
here's the other tricky thing about Trump, And to Derek's
point about Trump's alleged fortune has doubled since he's since
he started his second term, the thing about Trump is

(44:00):
he has never actually made anything.

Speaker 7 (44:01):
He was never really a businessman.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
He licensed his image and his likeness and put it
on buildings. Right, that's not really someone who actually generates
and inserts things into the economy. I wouldn't be surprised
when this is all said and done, if future Trump
generations are bankrupt.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
Because I'm not buying it.

Speaker 8 (44:21):
Like there's like when you think about all of the
foreign governments and all of the foreign actors that have
their hands in his pocket, they're put there, you know,
allegedly moving money into its coffers. It comes with a price,
and mediocre Trump, I don't think it's going to be
able to deliver.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
What's going to be asked of him.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
Like I know, right now we're watching this person who
has the bully pulpit of the presidency.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
He is the president.

Speaker 8 (44:48):
I still don't think this is going to end well
for him. Like when you play with mobsters and you
pretend to be a mobster, if you're not able to
follow through, you're going to get that mobster.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
You're going to get that desks.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
They don't Candace, they don't care as long as they
rape and pillage the company. I don't know if y'all
saw this story in the Wall Street Journal. Uh and again,
if you want to understand the raping and pillaging that
goes on, let me pull this up and understand how
absolutely positively corrupt these people are and they don't give

(45:25):
a damn and again, and they do so much corrupt shit, Candace,
that it's they do so much like it's they do
so much corrupt stuff. It's not even every day, it's
not even every twelve hours, it's not even every six hours.
It's like literally on the hour, constant corrupt shit that

(45:45):
they don't care. Here's a perfect example. The Wall Street
Journal does this exclusive story again, the right wing Wall
Street Journal elon must try to block Sam Autman's big
a ideal.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
In the Little East Musk, Musk warned.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
That Trump wouldn't bless open AI Data Center project unless
his ex AI company was added. So basically, Elon's like, yo, yo, y'all,
I control that pimp. I'm his pimp, so let me
just get put. Elon Musk is saying, I am Donald

(46:25):
Trump's pimp, and I'm a pimp. Slap his ass if
he don't do what I want to do. So guess what,
Sam Autman, y'all can't work this corner.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Y'all got to cut me in.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
And guess what me being the pimp, I'm a sick
trump On, y'all to make sure I get my cut.
That's what he's trying to do to the African country's forces.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Starlink. He is. He is the pimp. Elon Musk is
leading Trump around.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
You gonna do my bidding and you're gonna get me deals.
And then Trump is saying to Elon, yes, daddy, yes, daddy.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
Well, this is how I look at it.

Speaker 10 (47:10):
Whenever you have a you know, the issue like this,
whether it's business, whether it's a presidency, whether it's due process.
Over the past centuries, we've gone to the Supreme Court
to find an answer.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
Now that the Supreme Court.

Speaker 10 (47:21):
Seems as if it has no backbone, or seems as
if nobody is regarding what a nine zero decision would mean,
I really think it's incumbent upon the Supreme Court to say,
we've got some unprecedented actions, we need an unprecedented response.
Everything in our history has always been determined or been
massaged in the rule of law, ultimately up to the

(47:45):
United States, the Supreme Court of the Land.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
That Trump's everything. It's going to.

Speaker 10 (47:50):
Trump a state law, federal law. The Supreme Court is
that apex that everybody listens to. I just want to
know what they're doing. Even if we're talking about Elon
Musk for somebody to fight back, you would do that
in the courts. You would do that in some type
of anti trust law. But we know that even if
anything does at the courts, he's going to win. He's
been fighting Sam Altman for years, He's been fighting everybody

(48:13):
in that space that he wants to dominate for years.
And all he needs to do is, you know, give
Trump a call or just put his hand up. They
probably have some signal that you know you're going to
do what I want to do. We've got to fix
this court system because there's no way that talking about
it or just simply legislating about it and that it
has to go up to the Supreme Court the law

(48:35):
of the land, and that's where I think the biggest fault.
Then how are you gonna have a nine zero decision?
Do you know how unique that is? We all do
on this panel and it be absolutely disregarded. Why hasn't
there been an uproar over that? Why haven't we heard
legislators talk about that? Why haven't we heard even the
Supreme Court say? Why am I even getting up to
work every day if the decisions that I'm making on

(48:58):
this bench aren't going to be listen to by anybody?

Speaker 6 (49:01):
That makes no sense. Why would you go to work
if you were making cars and all the cars that
you made don't work? That makes no sense. There's a problem, Yeah,
and it's broken.

Speaker 10 (49:10):
So I just think that, I mean, I would love
to hear from somebody in that world to figure out
what's going on so that their logshiples down.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, but they ain't trying and do all that. All right,
not yet?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Well you're either when that created the Frankistean.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Let's see if they have any guts. Sorry, I'm going
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While testimony today in the federal trial of Sean Diddy
comes in New York City, can this Kelly Legal analyst.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
What happened?

Speaker 10 (51:54):
Let's talk about this mistrial and let's talk about LAPD
officer Christopher Ignatio. He is the one who arrived at
the scene when Kid Cutty said that somebody broke into
his home. He ran a license because he saw a car,
a black SUV Cadillac that was there, ran the license

(52:15):
it belonged to who it belonged to, bad boy. So
that was a connecting of the gods of a revelation.
But I think more importantly when we talk about the
mistrial or the mistrial that was asked for and denied,
there was an Arson investigator by the name of Lanchimonez.
He was the one who found the molotov cocktail in
Cutty's home. So we're talking about a totally different time

(52:37):
from this other break in if we recall, and he
said that he felt that this was.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
A personal target.

Speaker 10 (52:42):
He said that the personal Molotov cocktail actually didn't ignite
the way that it was supposed to do because it
was a very expensive, high end cloth that was used
in that bottle of gasoline. What he said, though, that
was really important, was that there were fingerprints.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
There was a fingerprint profile that was collected.

Speaker 10 (53:00):
That profile was collected and stored, but then all of
a sudden, unbeknownst to him.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
The fingerprints disappeared.

Speaker 10 (53:08):
Now this was brought out by the prosecution, and the
defense did not like this. They thought that this would
lead the jury to believe that Sean Holmes had something
to do with the disappearance. The other thing that this
specialist said is that when there's evidence that needs to
be discarded or thrown away, I'm the one who has

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to give permission. Nobody got permission from this investigator. Yet
the fingerprint profile disappeared, so the defense attorneys called for
a mistrial. There was discussion about it and sidebars, and
indeed that information was struck.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
From the record.

Speaker 10 (53:46):
Jurors are supposed to not take it into consideration, but
you can't unring a bell. They did hear it, but
they did not like the implication of that. I mean,
it kind of was a stretch. You're going to declare
a whole mistrial just because some fingerprint information went away.
They need to make that tape go away of him
beating Cassie if you ask my opinion. But the bottom
line is that a mistrial was non granted. We also

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heard from someone who was a personal stylist of Cassie
for a number of years, and he talked about He
alleged that Sean Colmes did threaten Cassie, saying that he
would release these videos and that he was the one
who was in charge of for music and he was
not going to release any more of his music. He
said that he fought Seowan Sean Colmes, that he allegedly

(54:29):
jumped on his back when he was beating Cassie.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
She was bleeding.

Speaker 10 (54:33):
I mean, everyone who takes the stand has just a
very personal story that has the same thread. Cassie is
being beaten and there's a power dynamic that you just
you have to acknowledge. So those were the folks that
took the stand today. Mistrial called for.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
But the trial goes on, Well that sounds like a
whole bunch of drama and again, uh, it just it's
just more more craziness continues, and again, explain to the
audience as you look at how the prosecutors are trying

(55:12):
to build out these these reco charges, you know.

Speaker 10 (55:17):
Little by little, it's kind of like a drop in
the balloon each day that goes by, and then one day,
I think during closing all that's going to burst in
terms of putting all of these facts together. But they're
really trying to establish the prosecutors. They're saying that, hey,
these are consenting adults. I'm sorry that that these are
this is someone who was who did not have control.

(55:38):
But even outside of that Roland, if you remove Cassie,
if you remove your testimony, remove any freak golfs, you still.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Have extortion, you still have.

Speaker 10 (55:48):
Potential burglary, arson, unfair labor practices that have nothing even
to do with Cassie, the beating, the tape. So it's
like there are all these parallel these parallel forces, because
on the one side you've got Cassie and everything that's connected,
but on the other side he allegedly has done so
much else that all of that could check the boxes

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for a rego.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
The defense, of course, is saying that, hey, these were
two consenting.

Speaker 10 (56:14):
Adults that actually were drug addicts, So we need to
take that into consideration, and we need to take into
consideration the fact that, for example, yes, there was an arson,
and it seems like, based upon all the information and evidence,
that Sean had something to do it do with it,
But was.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
There any video? Do you have anything connecting Sean to this?

Speaker 10 (56:34):
So there are places where the defense can pull holes,
but there certainly.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
I think would be a lot of.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
Places where the jury's going to be deliberating on certain
things that seemed like based upon circumstantial evidence.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Sean had a lot to do with this.

Speaker 10 (56:48):
Now I'm just saying that I'm not on the jury obviously,
but I if I was, I would want to hear
a lot of conversation about a couple of things that
might be slightly askew. But it just feels like to
me that the prosecution is making its case.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
All right, then, Cannon, we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Thanks a bunch. All right, quick break, we come back.
Trump issues another part, this time a major game dealer
out of Chicago also issues a parton two rapper NBA
young boy.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
What are they doing? We'll explain. Be right back on
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Speaker 1 (59:47):
Well, folks are today.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Donald Trump issued up more partons, this time for a
couple of notable African Americans. One of them, UH is
a rapper n B a young boy. He also issued
his own statement and he dropped this here. I want
to thank President Trump for granting me a partner, giving

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me the opportunity to keep building as a man, as
a father, and as an artist.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
This moment means a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
It opens the door to a future I've worked hard
for I'm fully prepared to step into this big Thanks
to the part in TSAR, Miss Alice Marie Johnson for
fighting for second chances for so many people, and to
my lawyer and Brittany K. Barnett for being in my

(01:00:36):
corner and all your hard work to make this possible.
And thank you to everyone who believed in me. I'm grateful,
I'm focused, I'm ready. Ken Treill now again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
This is related to his previous convictions. As a result,
and he also of coursed the middle of going on tour. Uh,
he faced a variety of legal issues and including gun
possession charges. That was one of the things that the
Baton Rouge rapper was facing. Now let's now talk about

(01:01:12):
Larry Hoover. Now, Larry Hoover, well known Chicago gangster, led
the Gangster Disciples, also a drug kingpin.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
This is the Chicago Suntimes. It's on their front page.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
President Trump committes drug kingpin Larry Hoover's federal prison sentence.
Hoover and David Barksdale created the Gangster Disciples of the
late nineteen sixties, ruling as King Larry and King David
until Broxdale was killed in nineteen seventy four. Now, the
White House didn't explain why he was granted the commutation,
he said. But the story says, but hoover attorney Justin

(01:01:49):
Moore said Trump committed at Hoover sentenced to time served.
He still faces essentially life in prison on a state
murder conviction. And then Justin Morris says, we did with
some many they said it was impossible. We got Larry
Hoover out of federal prison. Now, as the story notes,
Hoover still has a state court murder sentence to serve
at Illinois prison. Officials have previously said he likely serve

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it in the federal system. And then it says right here,
the news comes eight months after US District Judge John.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Blakey heard a mercy bid from Hoover.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
The judge challenge Hoover's attorneys doing that hearing, asking how
many murders is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Her responsible for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Hoover's lawyers ultimately responded by asking the judge to disqualify
himself from the case.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Blakeley has a rule.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
In the months since, so, the story says, Hoover was
convicted of murder after a trial in December nineteen seventy three,
and a judge sentenced him to one hundred and fifty
to two hundred years in state prison. He said that
didn't stop Whover from running the gang, though. Hoover was
charged in federal court with forty crimes, including engaging in
a continuing criminal enterprise, who was found guilty of On

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May ninth, nineteen ninety seven, the late US District Judge
Harry Line Weber handed down Hoover's life Senate as in
nineteen ninety eight, telling him he had misused a gift
from God. And again, so what you have here is
Trump doing this? Now what many people suspect is that

(01:03:18):
here you have Trump trying to appeal to blackmail voters
with these pardons.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
We saw him do this before other rappers as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And then that now, remember you had some rappers who
won a campaign trail for him, and one of them
was later indicted for murder after the fact. And remember
remember that crazy, deranged moment when Kanye was in the
Oval office and then he was pleading for Trump to
parton Larry Hoover. Y'all, remember you'll remember this.

Speaker 28 (01:03:54):
Here a million surrounded suburbs where we can create some factor.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Now, I think it'd be cool for them to be Trump.

Speaker 28 (01:04:02):
Factories because he's a master of industry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
He's a builder.

Speaker 28 (01:04:05):
And I think it'd be cool to have Yeasy Ideation centers,
which would be a mix of education that empowers people
and gives them modern information.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Like sometimes people say, this kid has ADD this kid
has AZD.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
You don't have ADD?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Is cool?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Is boring? It was boring. It's not as exciting as this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
We have to make it more excite. We have to
mix curriculums.

Speaker 28 (01:04:25):
You play basketball while you're doing math, you learn about music.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Why you meditate in the morning.

Speaker 28 (01:04:31):
We have to instate mental health and art programs back
into the back to the city, so those are And also,
Larry Hoover is an example of a man that was
turning his life around. As soon as he tried to
turn his life around, they hit him with six life sentences.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
So I believe he's with you say, don't tear down
the statues. Larry Hoover is a living statue.

Speaker 28 (01:04:54):
He's a beacon for us that needs to see his family,
that needs to go out and represent.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
When you have a block leader on every single block,
they can own.

Speaker 28 (01:05:04):
The block because they own that's something I learned from Jim.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Brown, from a mayor.

Speaker 28 (01:05:07):
I can we need to put curriculums from people who
really came from the streets, not people who are just
trying to set us up to go into a work
system or prison system that applies to what people are
really going through, which Jim Brown has created a debate about.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
The Second Amendment going on.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
The problem is illegal guns. Illegal guns is the problem,
not not not legal guns.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
We have seven. So that was Kanye and all of
his ranting. Now Chris Toler.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
We've seen Chris Toler on our show many times, uh
and with a Black Voter project, and he posted a
series of tweets and I think he's also he's also
on the on the money. So this was a tweet
right here this the neighborhood of publisher said he's going
after a certain demo hard, and I fear it may
work really well, Chris go. This is my worry to

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and not so much that he will win over a
ton of new voters from this, but it will make
it more difficult to convince certain people it's worth their
time and energy to go out and vote against him
or his party in the future. Now, that was one
of the tweets that Chris had posted. And then this
is what he also said. He said, this is exactly
how the far right plays right into the miss info machine,

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something that was very effective creating apathy among black men
in twenty twenty four. Unless jb that's the governor of
Illinois commutes his state sentence, Hoover isn't set free. But
the media narrative is all about Trump's move to free
a black man. Here's the reality here, and I'll start
with you, Candice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Let's just understand politics.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
And there were people who were calling for Obama to commute,
commute Larry Hoover's federal sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
There are people who were calling for Buying to do
it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
And the reality is, if either one of them had
commuted a federal sentence of Larry Hoover, Fox News, Conservative
talk radio, Steve Bannon, all the blogs Obama, Biden, let out,
Doug drug kingpin, murdering Larry Hoover, those would be the headlines.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
They would they would.

Speaker 10 (01:07:27):
But as you mentioned, what he did was really inconsequential.
Why because he still has state charges and that's what
he's going.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
To be serving. What he knows how to do. Is marketing.

Speaker 10 (01:07:39):
And you know, I was sitting in this fillover room
in court the other day, so that's where the public
is and you don't go into the main room, but
you can see the Shawn Colmes case. So there were
about forty people who were there from the public. A
lot of them, by the way, were tourists. They made
this as a stop for them after they saw the
Statue of Liberty. They would come there to the Shawncohms trial.
But the people who I spoke to, a lot of

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black men, who are probably the demographic that he's speaking to,
they didn't even believe the Cassie tape.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
They just believe, let Sean Colmes go, Let all the
rappers go, let all the black men go. I mean,
that was their mentality.

Speaker 10 (01:08:15):
So for him to make a move like this, it
translates into a lot, but it also translates into nothing
because he's still behind bars.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Now. The fact that he was pardoned as opposed.

Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
To commute it, that's a big deal. When your pardon,
you know, everything's a clean slave. When you commuted your
sentences decreased. Larry was pardoned, that speaks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Well well again the story. So the problem the White
House hasn't talked about it. So once they say that
he was that he commuted his life sentence, that's what
that's what the Chicago Sun time story. But the White
House hasn't talked about anything, so they haven't explained and
they didn't it before where they don't explain commodation or pardon.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Oh okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
So so according to Justin Justin Moore, his attorney, said,
Trump commuted Hoover's sentenced to time served, he still faces
essentially life in prison on a state murder commission.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Quiet okay, yeah, And and.

Speaker 10 (01:09:13):
All of that ends up the same result. He's still
behind bars, and that makes everybody happen. It's the most
exquisite plan that he gets credit to release somebody or
commute their sentence.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
But Larry's going nowhere.

Speaker 10 (01:09:25):
It's just marketing, and I think that he is going
to get a lot. Listen, this is the man who
he's going to be in some more rap videos. Well,
I wouldn't put it past Trump to be in some
rap videos. That's just the eighth grader in him who
wants to be popular. He was popular with rap artists
back in the day and popular with some of them now.
But he's making sure that again, I just see an

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eighth grade guy when I think about how he functions
and wants to interact with people. He's trying to work
on being that popular guy, and he gained some points here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Is this also, Rebecca about appealing to the people who
don't pay attention to the news and oh my god,
uh Trump part Larry Hoover and we know his name
is being in numerous records. Rick Ross has shouted him
out and so many others. Are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 7 (01:10:11):
It meets Larry Hoover one nation under guy getting money.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
Yeah, Like, look, I think for a lot of people,
Larry Hoover is more of a pop icon. I think
of some of the people who were connected in Chicago
with who he, who he is, who he was, who
he has been. I think some of those people aren't
as active on social media right now. But but you know,

(01:10:37):
to your point, does this a pop icon? He his
name is, his folklore stories about.

Speaker 7 (01:10:44):
Him is a narration that's in a lot of hip hop.

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
What what I find fascinating about this latest set of
commutations slash pardons? So we really don't know what it is.
The White House hasn't really told us which one it
is is the fact that NBA Young Boy got more
out of Trump than Tim Scott. If I was Tim Scott,
I would feel really bad.

Speaker 7 (01:11:06):
I did all that shucking and driving over the last
few years and I.

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
Got nothing, But NBA Young Boy got something from Trump.
The other thing, Another point I want to make is
black men aren't dumb, and I think black men are
tired of performative politics, whether or not it's Democrats pandering
to black men or as Republicans pandering to black men,

(01:11:31):
I think to the greater point, if this is something
that Candice mentioned earlier about the ninety million voters who
just don't show up, I think that ninety million is
going to be more impressed by this than folks who
are expected to turn out to vote in twenty twenty.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
Six and twenty twenty eight. But what I find.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
Interesting in the pivot towards black men is with that
crypto party that happened last week.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
One of the people that was there was Lamorrowen.

Speaker 8 (01:11:59):
No, I mean, I'm not exactly going to cantum our
oldos pockets. I don't think he has a million or
five million to a vess in crypto, but you know
I did. I've heard some reports that he was paid
to be there, he got an appearance fee, because there
still is that perception of Donald Trump wants black men
to see black men around him. That's the part that

(01:12:20):
I find a little bit more interesting than Larry Hoover.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Derek.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
You know, I definitely agree with Rebecca and Candas. The
two points I would add is this, we're at a
point of no return.

Speaker 9 (01:12:35):
There was a time how we view in our society
from a democratic standpoint about how the partning and the
commuting should be done.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It was a process, a very rigorous process.

Speaker 9 (01:12:50):
But now since day one, when he let go fifteen
hundred individuals, it was his way of thumbing the nose
at a justice system that was coming after him fast
and furious. I mean, this man was threatening to see
himself dying in prison. He thought he was gonna end

(01:13:11):
up like Bernie made off Right, dying in prison. And
so he threw everything but the kitchen seink to run
and then become president. And so now that he is
in that seat, Rowland, we had a point of no return.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
He's saying, you know what, I'm so transactional. The hell
with the rule of law.

Speaker 9 (01:13:34):
The hell with justice. I don't care what the perception
may be. And so the reason why I think we're
at a point of no return because the future presidents.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Are going to have to deal with this. You're gonna
have to deal with.

Speaker 9 (01:13:46):
A public to say, hey, the other guy had a
disregard of due process. The other guy didn't have a
problem with accountability. The other guy devalued punishment. The other
guy dealt with cynicism.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
The other guy I had to do. And so now
what happens when.

Speaker 9 (01:14:06):
The Oval office become transactional for both parties?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I see, I okay, So let's I want to unpack that,
and I need people to listen to me very clearly.
I need people listen to me very clearly. Even when

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Obama was there, one of the critiques that I had
is that I felt that President Obama played.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
It too safe.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
And what I often argue is that the presidency is
it holds tremendous power, and what we've had are individuals
who know about the power but have been unwilling to

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maximize the power.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
And there have been instances where I believe that it
was too safe. Take these partons. Derek is Wright, This
whole idea of process.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
I can tell you up until I visited the White
House Friday before the inauguration, and there were battles going
on inside of the White House regarding partons partons for
former Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. Former partons for former Congressman

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Jefferson out of New Orleans, pardon for Maryland Moseby. I
was told that Biden drew a rent by for what
he deemed public official corruption.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
That was his red line.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
That's why he issued those partons. I disagreed with him,
especially on Marilyn Moseby. That partner should have been granted.
I thought it was bs that she was convicted for
using her own money.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
But I believe the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
And I said this earlier, and I wasn't joking when
I said that Democrats play too nice. They it's like,
what's artificial? Two thousand and ten, I was fed up
watching how Obama was responding to Republicans and even sud Democrats.

(01:16:50):
This is what I wrote for CNN dot com, Anthony
go MyPad. Time for Obama to go gangster on GOP.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
And this is what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Civil rights activist Fan lou Hammer made famous the phrase
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. For me,
I'm sick and tired of Democrats having power and being unwilling.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
To use it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I've always respected Republicans when they had power because they
were willing to use it and maybe apologized later. I
then talked about Obama watching Republicans block many of his appointments,
and now he says he made it clear to them
that he will quote consider unquote making some of the
US Senate goes into recess. Quote One senator, as you

(01:17:32):
are all aware, had put a hold on every single
nominee that we had put forward due to a dispute
over a couple of earmarks in this state. In our meeting,
I asked the congressional leadership to put a stop to
these holes in which nominees for critical jobs are denied
a vote for months. Surely we can set aside partisanship
and do what's traditionally been done to confirm these nominations
if the Senate does not act, and I made this

(01:17:54):
very clear, if if the Senate does not act to
confirm these nomine I will consider making several recess appointments
during the upcoming recess because we can't afford to allow
politics to stand in the way of a well functioning government.
All right, this is where the president needs to show

(01:18:15):
his toughness and just do it. Forget threats. The actions
of Senator Richard Shelby and other Republican obstructions will continue
if President Obama allows them to run a rough shot
over him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
When you're the top dog, you do what you have
to do to govern.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Allowing Republican senators to continue to deny your appointments it's nonsense.
If if all of them choose to support a filibuster,
then you take it to the American people and show
the obstructions for what they are. You get your grassroots
movement fired up to stand up and do something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
The political right used.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Its base to go after Democrats who blocked the appointments
in to the federal bench and other positions. Why not
be just as aggressive. And if they're vam of your
own party who stand in the way, such as Senator
Ben Nelson, then you also blast them and make them
pay for acting so foolishly. This president got rolled by

(01:19:13):
the Senate over healthcare. His team made some bone headed mistakes,
and now they're paying for them. Continue to play footsiet
with opponents will only get him into more trouble. He
should set a deadline to have his folks confirmed, if
not appoint them all during the recess and going about
your business. Obama's critics keep blasting him for Chicago style politics,

(01:19:35):
So fine, channel your inner al Capone and go gangs
to against your foes. Let them know that if you
aren't with you, if they aren't with you, then they
are against you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
And we'll pay the price that beautiful big.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Budget bill we're gonna talk about in a second. There
were some holdouts to Republicans, hardcore Trump looking a. I said,
get your ass in line and vote for it. They
did it, passed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
What I'm saying here can this is that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I disagree with how Democrats do pardons. We're gonna wait
till the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
We're gonna issue all of them around Christmas like it's
a gift. No, the power is literally with the president.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
The president can issue a parton or a commutation anytime,
any day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Damn it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
Do it.

Speaker 22 (01:20:41):
And let me be real clear, Fuck Fox News, fuck
conservative media. They're gonna criticize you anyway, so you do it.
And if they say why don't you do it because
I'm the president.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
See again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
This to me, it's when you play a game with
folk and you don't let it be known.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
I am the president. Yo as deal with it.

Speaker 22 (01:21:11):
And if y'all want to swing, let's swing recess appointments.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Hell yeah, do it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
I'm not threatening you the moment y'all hit that damn
gathering recess appointment. Boom boom boom. Don't play games with me.
I'm gonna do it again at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
And here's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Whether they want to own it or not, this is
actually one of the reasons why a lot of people
didn't vote for them, lose time, because they are responding
to strength. And let me real clear. Donald Trump is
a thug. Donald Trump is a misfit. Donald Trump is

(01:21:54):
a shameful, despicable human being. But what he is doing
is matt summarizing the office of the president to its
full potential. I think, frankly, he's breaking the law as well.
But the Supreme Court game a get out of free
get out a free jail card. But this is where
if you're democrats, damn y'all rules again. If a Democrat

(01:22:18):
wins in twenty eight I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Not waiting for that once a year part and stuff.
I'm gonna drop it, not move the hell on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
But you know what they do once or once a year,
and then the media credit, they pick it apart, Republicans criticized.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Then some Democrats look at all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
The Democrats, look at all of them, whiney ass democrats,
candide who bitched and moaned because Biden issued preemptive partons
for his family and others.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
And the fact of the matter is he was right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
This asshole would have investigated every single one of them.
They would have ran up multi million dollar legal bills.
And that's exactly and that's why Biden did it, and
he should have actually done it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:22:59):
The other thing when you talk about timing and doing
it just at one part of the year, because you
know it's a gift of some sort, when it's really
the right that a president has at all times during
his presidency, is that you throw people off.

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
You get these pardons in all throughout the year where
a lot of people aren't.

Speaker 10 (01:23:15):
Paying attention because we are trained to look at pardons
at a certain part of the year. So again, this
is just breaking rules with power that you actually do
have You are right, and that the Democrats have to
play it a lot differently and exert their power in
a different way to a point of course where it's legal.

Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
But this is one of those things where you can push,
you can push the.

Speaker 10 (01:23:38):
Envelope a little bit, and it's something that listen, he's
using effectively and using it as a campaign strategy, right
for someone who's trying to get votes if he hopefully
and his estimation runs again. So it's all strategy, it's
all marketing. But when it comes to these pardons, is

(01:24:00):
indeed power that he has that we are so much
more tight fisted with and it doesn't serve us good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
And Rebecca, remember President George W.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Bush commuted the sentence of Scooter Libby, who unveiled the
name of a CIA operative. But but but remember people,
people got to remember that Dick Cheney was mad as
hell because Bush did not give a full pardon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Uh. And people were really upset by that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Libby still had to pay the two hundred fifty thousand
dollars fine, still stay in probation for two years.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
And that's how he did it. Well, guess what trumps
issuing these partons and these people who.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
He letting off. They are, they are there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
There are fines that have been imposed they now I
think the numbers approaching one hundred million.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Dollars, Rebecca, that these people don't even have to pay back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
So there are there were victims a part of these crimes.
He's like, now, yeah, I gotta pay the money back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. We're good.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
You know, this is we really got to unpack this
because one, I don't support the criminal legal.

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
System that we have in this country.

Speaker 8 (01:25:12):
Does it not bring justice, It does not rehabilitate people,
and I don't think it's working.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
I think it's selling.

Speaker 8 (01:25:20):
But when we were talking about pardons, you know, I
a would say having an arbitrary pardens is also a
problem as well.

Speaker 7 (01:25:29):
There should be a clear standard of hey, this is
what you do in order to get a pardon.

Speaker 8 (01:25:33):
You shouldn't have to know Kim Kardashian, you should not
have to know other high profile people in hopes that
maybe your name will be whispered somewhere in the White
House and maybe perhaps you'll get a pardon. So I
don't like how partons are issued under democratic presidents.

Speaker 7 (01:25:48):
I typically don't like.

Speaker 8 (01:25:49):
How they're used under Republican presidents either.

Speaker 7 (01:25:54):
But what Trump is showing so.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
For the next future presidents who actually want to do
good in this country. The thing that Trump is showing
is how you maximize the presidency like it's power. It's
not absolute power, but in this world is very close
to it. There's a lot of transformative change, a lot
of positive things that can happen through that White House.
And so the next person who gets in that White House,

(01:26:18):
if you actually believe in the power of this country,
the power of the people in this country, then use.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
It for good.

Speaker 8 (01:26:24):
Don't be feckless, don't be so caught up into the histrionics.
So what the opposition party is going to say, do
your thing, because the Supreme Court has already said that
you can do so. So we actually need someone in
the White House who has that power, who will will
that power, but will wild it in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
A just way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
And bomb line is, if they're gonna criticize you anyway,
damn it, just roll with it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I just listen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
I understand need for a process, but here's here's a reality.
And again I accept this for what it is. I'm
not saying it's great. I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm
not saying all of that. But the fact that the

(01:27:14):
fact of the matter is this here, is that when
it just says right here, Article two, Section two, Clause one,
that the President shall be the Commander in chief of
the Army and Navy of the United States and of
the Militia of the several States. When called into the
actual service of the United States. He may require the

(01:27:35):
opinion in writing of the Principal Officer in each of
the Executive Departments upon any subject relating to the duties
of their respective offices. And he shall have power to
grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States,
except in cases of impeachment.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That's all it says. That's all it says.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
It actually and I totally understand what Derek says, where
Becca says, what Candace says doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Call for a process.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
It literally says, the power rests in the hands of
this one individual. This one individual can decide for whatever
reason they want. In fact, this individual doesn't even have
to give a reason. They don't have to issue a

(01:28:28):
press release. And what I am saying is for Democrats,
you need to toughen your ass up, and you need
to buck up and recognize that when you have the power,
you fucking use it, because you're not always going to

(01:28:53):
have it. I set to people all the time, Obama's
only going to be their eight year period, not nine,
not ten, not twelve eight. And when I was championing
for him to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court,
not that feckless ass Merrit Garland, he had ten months left,

(01:29:17):
and black organizations, black female organizations, were scared to publicly
call for him to do it. And I said, what
the hell are y'all doing? The hell with invites to
the White House?

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
He has gone in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
January, but that Supreme Court justice could be there for
the next thirty forty to fifty years. But a lot
of black folks, no, we don't want to pray. And
I'm just telling y'all right now, I've told this story beforehand.
They had a Black History Month reception in two thousand,
in two thousand and sixteen, and it was the old
it was the seasoned saints and the young folk. And

(01:29:56):
here we were at the White House at the reception,
waiting for folks. The reception started late because the meeting
had ran over and I'll never forget.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
I ran awayde Henderson Waite.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Did anybody in the meeting raise the port a black
one Supreme Court?

Speaker 9 (01:30:16):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I ran the MELODYE Campbell. I ran with Sean Robinson,
and I was like, how on the hell were all
of y'all in that meeting? And nobody looked that man
across the table and said, mister President, we staying here
right now, and we want you to appoint a black
woman as Supreme Court justice to replace Anthonous Callid. Well,
you know, some us didn't want to say anything because

(01:30:40):
Loretta Lynch, you know, we here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
She's on the short list, and she was sitting right
next to him. I don't give a shit if she
was sitting right next to him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Y'all had an opportunity sitting in front the President of
the United States, and here were all of the young
Bucks and the O g's, and not one black person
hath the audacity.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
To bring it up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
They were silent, and I just shook my head. I said,
I cannot believe y'all did that. And the letter that
they had written the Black female groups, they slid it
across the table to Valerie Jarrett privately, I said, what the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Hell are y'all doing? You need no ways. So what
I am saying is when you have the power, you
use the power, and you use it for good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
You don't let off somebody who gave a million dollars
at a dinner and don trump like sure, partner, her son,
But you use it for good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
When you try to play it safe, when you're oh,
what are gonna be the optics? What are they gonna say?
What's the right gonna say? The left is gonna say?

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
You spend too much time giving a damn about what
the right and the left is gonna say. Then they ask,
why'd you do it? Because I'm the fucking president of
the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
That's why. Next, that's how you respond. I'll be back.

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Hatred on the Streets, a horrific scene, white nationalist rally
that descended into deadly violence.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
White people are their minds.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
As an angry pro Trump mob storms the US capital ship.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
We're about to see the lies of what I call
white minority resistance.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 27 (01:35:14):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Every time that people of color have made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been but Carol Anderson at
every university calls white rage as a backlash. This is
the right of the proud boys and the boogaaloo boys, America.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 23 (01:35:38):
This country just getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
The people that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources,
they're taking out women.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
This is white Field. I'm Russell L.

Speaker 19 (01:36:09):
Honoree Lieutenant Gerald United States AROW retired and you're watching
road Martin.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
I'm feltered.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Ah, they're calling it the big beautiful Bill, but guess
why people are not happy at all?

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
They are lighting these Republicans up watch.

Speaker 30 (01:36:38):
Well, you know, I was like disappointed to see the
massive spending bill. Frankly, which increases the bunch depsit not
doesn't decrease it, and that reminds the work that the
Nose team is doing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:53):
I actually thought that when this big beautiful bill came along.
I mean, like everything he's done on Dose gets wiped
out in the first year.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
I think I think it both can be can be
can be big, or it can be beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
But I don't know if it could be both.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
My postal opinion, it has been hilarious literally watching uh
these people get roasted uh in these town halls. I'm
gonna pull up one.

Speaker 15 (01:37:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
In a moment of Rebecca, it was just, uh, they're
getting blasted.

Speaker 8 (01:37:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
I saw this one video that I thought was just lovely.

Speaker 9 (01:37:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
This this this one democrat Uh Repman.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
She just destroyed James Comy by asking him to read
portions of the bill and he could not even read
portions of the bill. And one thing he was claiming,
she was kind of like, no, that ain't what it says. No,
that's not quite what it says. And the fact of
the matter is he hadn't even read the bill himself.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Uh. And again she was just I will just say
I was cracking a laugh and she was ethering in
his ass. Watch this.

Speaker 6 (01:38:06):
As I read it.

Speaker 31 (01:38:06):
Your bill is giving the congressional authority to the executive
to do it without Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
That's not true.

Speaker 16 (01:38:14):
You're misinterpreting the bill.

Speaker 31 (01:38:16):
Can you please point us to the language and the
bill that retains Congress's authority.

Speaker 16 (01:38:26):
It requires a privileged resolution in Congress.

Speaker 31 (01:38:31):
Can you please point us to the page and the
line number that requires Congressional consent for reorganization of the
federal government.

Speaker 16 (01:39:11):
Sections in sections nine oh eight and nine oh none
of Title five, which.

Speaker 31 (01:39:27):
I'm sorry mister Chairman, Section nine oh eight, so is
striking December thirty first, nineteen eighty five. Can you please
refer to the language that retains Congress's authority under the
United States Constitution to reign in the executive to stop
it from eliminating unnecessary duties, reducing federal employees, amending rules

(01:39:49):
and regulations, and eliminating executive departments, agencies, independent establishments, offices,
or officers of the executive branch.

Speaker 16 (01:40:10):
You're intentionally misrepresenting the bill, mister Truman.

Speaker 31 (01:40:14):
I'm reading the bill, and I'm asking you, as the sponsor,
to point to us where your bill, which you are
trying to pass through this committee today, retains the authority
of Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
It changes the day to twenty twenty six, y'all. But
it just gets better.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
A Mike Flood of Nebraska, Yo, he's straight ass god
cooked by his folks at his town hall.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Man, give me one second. I got to pull this up, y'all,
because this was just too damn good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
I mean, he was so he had a town hall
and he made the biggest mistake you could ever make.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
If you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Stand in front of the people and you admit you
know what my bad. I ain't really read the bill
or watch this.

Speaker 32 (01:41:07):
Can you please tell us why you voted to approve
a budget bill that includes section seven oh three to
oh two, which effectively prohibits federal courts from enforcing contempt orders.
My question only got thirty seconds, which would then allow
current and future administrations to ignore those contempt orders by

(01:41:29):
removing the enforcement capabilities.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I do not agree with that section that was added
to that bill. This provision was unknown to me when
I voted for the bill.

Speaker 7 (01:41:52):
Okay, next question, next.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Uh, it was unknown to use. Show you voted for
a bill that you did not Why really you didn't
admit it?

Speaker 33 (01:42:12):
Here's more than is destroying our democracy by defying the
courts in the constitution, attacking and silencing free speech in
the media, allowing security breaches, erasing history, using tax dollars
and presidential power for personal games, blaming DEI and using
it to discriminate, and promoting eugenics and genocide, all while

(01:42:33):
showing signs of cognitive decline. Your votes, actions and in
actions show that you are a fascist politician. So please
explain how you are not encouraging fascism and are you
going to invoke articles of impeachment against Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
I get that you get an applause line when you
call me a fascist.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
But I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
I am fascist.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
But y'all somebody who ain't read your own damn bill.
This is why they're not trying to have.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Town halls, Derek. They don't want that heat.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
They don't want that, especially when you go, oh, I
didn't read I didn't read it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
I didn't read the building.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Right, they can't face the music rolling. I mean, folks
are starting to wake up.

Speaker 18 (01:43:40):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
They all thought when they were voting on November fifth
of last year that this dude, with just all.

Speaker 15 (01:43:49):
Of his.

Speaker 9 (01:43:51):
Project twenty twenty five were just going to negatively impact us.
And now what they're discovering is that this to impact
all of us, to include them. I mean, listen, yes,
this bill is big, it is beautiful. It is not

(01:44:12):
that thousand pages.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
I mean, I get it right. Not everyone will read
the bill.

Speaker 9 (01:44:20):
They may have their staffers rolling you know this, or
to synthesize information and give.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Them two or three paragraph summary. They don't read it.

Speaker 9 (01:44:30):
Now they're being called out because citizens are going line
by line because they realized this is going to hurt
them so much as it relates to Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.
And then here's here's the thing rolland for your listening audience,

(01:44:50):
when government revenue declines due to tax cuts, here's the
little dirty secret.

Speaker 34 (01:44:57):
That's less money available for those crucial things that we
all demand, public investments like infrastructure, public education, research and development,
environmental protection.

Speaker 29 (01:45:12):
So FEMA is gonna go away. They're going to be
going after the meteorologists are. They're gonna fire four hundred
of them so we won't get a heads up when
the hurricane and torment tornadoes are coming. So when you
when folks.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
Are like, yes, task cuts, we want that, you got
to understand.

Speaker 9 (01:45:30):
That those dollars right, that government managed those investments that
are vital to our well being, our economic.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Growth, in our societal needs, to quality of life folks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
So we've got some breaking news here. Well, guess what.
The federal judges rule that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Donald Trump broke the law when it came to the
nineteen seventy seven International Emergency Economic Powers Acting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
So you remember all those Liberation Day tariffs he announced.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
They were like, yeah, that's that's kind of go because
you're wrong, go to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
The court holds for the foregoing reasons that ie E
p A does.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Not authorize any of the Worldwide Retaliatory or Trafficking Tariff orders.
The Worldwide and Retaliatory Tariff orders exceed any authority granted
to the President by IEE PA to regulate importation by
means of tariffs. The trafficking tarifs failed because they do
not deal with the threat set forth in those orders.
This conclusion entitles plaintiffs to judgment as a matter of law.

(01:46:40):
As the Court further finds no genuine dispute as to
any material fact, summary judgment will enter against against the
United States. The challenge tariff orders will be vacated and
their operation permanently enjoined.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
This is a three judge panel. That's a huge ruling. Candice.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
And again the video that I showed you of that
Democratic congress woman challenging James Comer, like, dude, you don't
y'all have just turned the authority that granted the Congress
to the president. He kept sitting there, Oh he can
do this, declaring that the that the e commedy was
a national emergency, and they're like, uh, noah, was it?

Speaker 10 (01:47:23):
And not only that, but when we look at this
and everything that he's put in place. This essentially wipes
out everything. Now the question is will it be followed,
The question is is he going to do something to
try to trump what they already put in place, Because
look what happened to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
I think that kind of rests in.

Speaker 10 (01:47:39):
The back of everybody's mind before today in this moment
of breaking news. Essentially, what they're saying is that everything
that he's put in place is wiped clean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Rebecca, he stayed losing when it came to losing in
twenty twenty, and his ass losing a lot with these
federal judges.

Speaker 7 (01:48:02):
What's really important to point out.

Speaker 8 (01:48:03):
We do talk about the Supreme Court often, but remember
the federal judiciary is largely comprised. In the last ten years,
the majority of folks have been appointed have not been
Trump appointees. So there are pro democracy, pro voting rights,
pro quote unquote ruler law judges that are on the
federal bench all across the country. And one thing that

(01:48:24):
we are noticing in this presidency is that Trump is
losing when he has to go to the federal courts.

Speaker 7 (01:48:31):
When he's going to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (01:48:32):
It's been a mixed bag, but it is affirming to
know that the judiciary is trying to prove that it
has not fought to what appears to be a fascist.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
And this is the US Court of International Trade, these
three judges, and so I'm sure we're going to be
seeing a crazy, demented rant on truth social Trump's joke
of a social media platform. Let me thank Rebecca there
and Cannice for being on today's shelf. We appreciated, folks,

(01:49:03):
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And so all these things what you can do.

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