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The Supreme Court heard.

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Arguments regarding Louisiana's edition of a second majority black congressional district,
which some argue goes too far. I wonder who that
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Speaker 7 (04:58):
I want to wish happy birthday. Of course, this is
the anniversary March the twenty fourth, nineteen twelve in Richmond,
Virginia to the Great Dorothy Irene Height powerful ancestor. Just
wanted to mention that today in Black history, today the.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Supreme Court has been very busy.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
There was a hearing today an administration lawyer complained about
what she said was a trend of lower court judges
exceeding their authority in halting government programs. As the Supreme
Court heard oral arguments on whether or not to block
the moratorium on stopping workers from being hired or fired
in the administrative courts, and of course that affects a

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lot of folks in the DMV Black workers and others.
And the Supreme Court also heard today arguments over whether
the Louisiana's Congressional district map for the twenty twenty four
elections should be used again. In twenty twenty four, state
lawmakers adopted a map that created a second majority black district,
stretching from Baton Rouge to Shreveport and tapping into the

(06:01):
Lafayette and Alexandria metro eras a group of non African
Americans challenged the map, saying race was too great a
factor in its adoption. And that's what I meant earlier
by colorblind constitutionalism, basically when they say that they're being
discriminated against because they're white. So it's a trick that
has been gaining momentium over the last probably about seventy

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years now. The state says politics was a significant factor.
Lawmakers wanted to preserve seats for House Speaker Mike Johnson,
then Minority Leader Steve Scalise, and Northeastern Louisiana lawmaker Julia Letlow,
who serves on the powerful Appropriations Committee. The decision sacrificed
the seat of Republican Representative Garrett Graves, who didn't back

(06:43):
Governor Jeff Landry in the twenty twenty three governor's race.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
A federal court tossed out.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
The twenty twenty four map, but the US Supreme Court
told Louisiana to use it until it could take up
the case.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Here's some of what happened during today's hearing. Certainly politics
played a role in this district, but didn't race absolutely,
your honor.

Speaker 11 (07:03):
The state was trying to draw a district that would
remedy the violation that we had shown, just another.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Way of saying race predominated.

Speaker 11 (07:11):
Well, I would disagree with that, your honor. I think
that that means race was one consideration. And this Court
has long said in case I'm.

Speaker 12 (07:20):
Sorry, I'm I'm sorry, chief, isn't saying race was one consideration?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Another way of saying race predominated?

Speaker 11 (07:30):
And how do we square that with the Fourteenth Amendments
promise that race should play no role well.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
In our laws, well in the redistrict.

Speaker 11 (07:41):
In context, this Court has long recognized that legislators are
always aware of race, and the fact that race was
one thing they were considering when they drew the map
does not mean it was the predominant thing. It means
that it was one of many considerations that they had.
Politics was another, communities of interest was another, and without
some evidence that would disentangle those things and show that

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we'll actually race. Among all of those considerations the state
was considering, race was the one that actually drove the lines.
Race does not the plaintiffs have not borne their burden
to prove that racial predominance.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Thank you, counsel, Justice Thomas.

Speaker 12 (08:20):
In some of these redistrict in cases, the argument is
that certain a certain percentage of the black population is excluded,
and you redraw the map to include that population. And
what I'm interested in here is exactly what the violation

(08:41):
was and exactly how this map solves that or addresses
that violation.

Speaker 11 (08:49):
So the violation was that the map adopted in twenty
twenty two dilutes the votes of black Louisianians by denying
them an equal opportunity to elect candidates of choice. And
we showed that was through drawing from illustrative districts and
included this common core of seven parishes in the center
of the state and connecting that with populations in the delta,

(09:14):
which was a similar configuration to the state's map. So
ours was sort of a least change map that would
remedy the dilution. The state included that same core and
it drew together other different black populations in the district
to create a remediate district that would remedy the dilution.
And I think in that sense, this case is most

(09:34):
like Abbot. In Abbot, the Texas Court or the Texas
Court had held that there was a Voting Rights Act
violation and the state needed to add additional majority minority districts.
The way the state did that was that it drew
together voters, some voters in that Southwest Texas area where
the violation had been proven, with other voters in a
different part of the state, and the court said that

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was fine. They did it for income and protection purposes.
The fact that it was the least compact district in
the state was not even part of the analysis, and
because the state had the flexibility to remedy that violation
in a way that also advanced its political goals.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
All right, well, we see they're the continuing battle. We're
going to take it up with our Monday Night panel.
Doctor Omocongo dibinga senior professional sorry now I know this
as an academic bible prefasorial lecturers, School of International Service,
American University, and author of Lies about Black People, How
to Combat racist stereotypes and why it matters. Rita Simpson,

(10:40):
former j Georgia state representative coming out of Atlanta, Georgia,
and of course doctor Dibinga is out of Washington, d C.
And Mondale Robinson, principal Blackmail Voters Project and mayor Infield,
North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Brother Mondell, Let's start.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
With you, brother, your thoughts, particularly since this alleged difference
between political gerry mandering and racial jerry mandering has played
out in the courts of your state in the federal
government in recent years.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Any thoughts about what we just heard. Thank you, there
we go.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, I said, I think I find it interesting that
we hear conservative justices question andgoties, specifically in this clip
that you played. Question is the idea of why states
are during districts the way they want to. When he
was one of the people that went along with the
South Carolina ruling saying that Republicans had the right to
make it as politically attractive to their Republican voters in

(11:35):
South Carolina as they wanted to. The idea, now that
voting is out, all jerry mandering because of race.

Speaker 13 (11:42):
Is not a thing that we should be concerned with,
or at least when it benefits black people's fancy for
to me, especially when we know the reason race must
be considered when we're talking about voting, because this country,
this very country, discriminated.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Against black people for so long on that very basis,
in this very so it's absolutely deastically that we have
Supreme Court justices acting as if they are being genuine
in their questioning when they know, damn well, in this
very district black people had no voice, even though the
Fifteenth Amendment supposedly gave black men to right to vote
so long ago, until the sixties.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
So I'm disgusted at this act.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
But it also shows us that we are constantly reminded
that we are not full of American citizens, especially when
it comes to our right to vote as black people,
and us falling asleep at the wheel will put us
right where we are right now, in a losing position.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
Yes, sir Rinit don't want to ask you about this.
Of course, they're in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
He cited the advocate out of Texas.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
But the case that comes to mind in my mind
in terms of political jeer and mandering was Georgia versus Ashcroft.
Almost about twenty years going the course that involved the
Georgia State Senate.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Clearly, the court.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Has carved out this theory of political jeer mandering being okay,
But clearly there's section five of the Voting Rights Act
you can't delute black votes. And you've seen that battle
up close and personal there in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Any thoughts on what we heard today, absolutely, so.

Speaker 14 (13:15):
I'm going to piggyback off what my buddy Mondelle said
because he's absolutely correct.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
We've seen this fight in Georgia.

Speaker 14 (13:20):
We've seen it very recently when I've served in the
Georgia House of Representatives. I was on the Governmental Affairs
Committee which did go through the redistricting process, and I
can tell you firsthand that in you know, approving maps
like this and dealing with voting rights, race is always
a factor in voting maps. And so Neil Gorsich is
being dense and when he says that, well, using race

(13:40):
as a factor means that it's predominant and does in
that conflict with the Fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
No.

Speaker 14 (13:45):
I would argue that the fourteenth Amendment is about equal
protection for everyone under the law, regardless of race. And
so what that means is that black volks also have
the right to elect representation. That also would reflect them.
The question of race has always come up in drawing
these maps as it relates to pulling communities of interest together.
Race is usually a factor because people understand that you're

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going to have most likely have a similar live life
experience and that will pull you together as a community
of interests as it relates to race, along with other
things like making sure that the north part of the
state is not making decisions for the South part where
they don't live. So there are a lot of things
that goes into these maps. But I would argue that
the fourteenth Amendment really upholds the right for black communities
to have representation that accurately reflects their lives and they

(14:28):
have the right to elect their representatives.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Absolutely absolutely, Doc you, we're here in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Close to the close to the action.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
I don't know if you've ever taken your students down
to Supreme Court chambers to hear oral arguments. We heard
something that we didn't hear a whole lot of up
until Trump became president. And that, of course is the
actual voice of Clarence Thomas coming from the bench. Any
thoughts on you know, he claimed it's because he was
gullagheechee and didn't like to be heard.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
But of course we know that was a lie.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
But he's been he's been a little husky these last
he's last couple of Trump terms, and he's starting off
all guns blazing now.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And he thought, on what we heard.

Speaker 15 (15:09):
Today, Yeah, he's definitely miraculously finding his voice. And I
really thought that when it came to him it was
gonna be a no comment.

Speaker 16 (15:18):
I was just waiting to hear that.

Speaker 15 (15:20):
But in terms of what we heard today, it's just
another example of how these Republicans and so called conservatives
whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 16 (15:29):
I don't call them the right, because they're wrong.

Speaker 15 (15:31):
Have turned so many words that have been important in
our society into trigger words. Whether it's something like DEI,
a critical race theory and things, they've turned it into
trigger words. And so race became a trigger word as well,
and so you can hear it where Gorsa She's like, well,
isn't race kind of the primary factor? Because it's almost

(15:51):
like an if then clause, right, because well, if it's race,
then you're not getting anything from us. And they've kind
of firmly established that. And as Nita was saying, it's
about the equal protection under the law. And as Glenn
Singleton said in his book Courageous Conversation, it's not that
race is the only factor. It's the missing factor. And
that's what the attorney was trying to say, something that
needs to be taken into consideration. But they want to

(16:13):
take the mindset of, well, if you take it into
consideration and that's the only thing you're talking about, and
excluding it for everything else. They're doing that in schools,
they're doing it in corporate spaces, and now they're looking
at doing it with this.

Speaker 16 (16:25):
Question of redistricting.

Speaker 15 (16:26):
And so we have to be able, as I say
a lot nowadays, to just call a thing a thing.
They're trying to use the amendments that we fought for
in this country, Fourteenth Amendment, the Civil Rights amendments. They're
using those against us, as you started out by talking about,
and we can let it stand. And so this is
something we have to continuity speak out on as at
the same time we're making sure we're empowering the voters

(16:46):
who are in these areas for what's to potentially come
one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Absolutely, And as everyone has remarked so far on its face,
it's very clear that this isn't a attempt to suppress
the black vote. And they've been successful, of course, as
I said earlier, they have been successful in separating out
the idea of what they call political jeri mandering, which

(17:14):
they say is non justiceable. That was rucho versus common cause.
I think back in twenty nineteen as opposed to racial
jerry mandering, and I'm wondering, and I always have this question,
brother Mindale, and also sister Rinda, because you all had
both served as elected officials, as I said, and had
to have these knockdown, drag out fights, either with city
councils or state legislators. At what point does do the

(17:39):
various attempts to suppress the black vote through jerry mander,
whether it be cracking and packing like we saw in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I'm in Atlanta in Alabama, of.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Course, whether it be what we see here where a
third or more of the voters in Louisiana are black
and they continue to try to suppress that vote. At
what point does jerry mandering, because something that can't work
effectively to suppress the number of black voters in the district.

(18:07):
I mean, it's just a matter of demographics. I don't
know if either you have some thoughts Monday or maybe
go first and.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
If you like, and then Rinita police jump in on that.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah, listen.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't want to be confused as blaming voters for
this problem, but I think, you know, this is what
we see is the lack of participation in primaries has.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Led us to this point in a lot of the way.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
And I'm not saying that, you know, voters not participating
in primaries is a voter fault, because we as candidates,
as politicians, should be doing more to reach voters to
make them feel inspired, empowered, empowered to.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Vote participating in the primaries. But I think what.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Happens is we have these weak candidates or these candidates
that are so you know, tied to the establishment that
they're not willing to push their.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Party, our party, further to the left. And it's a
sad day.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
That fighting for black rights voting rights is considered a
leftist idea. But what we do see, though, is people
willing to capitulate or given on things that are detrimental
to the black voting power. And I think until we
have in these black districts, until Mississippi is a bright
blue state until Florida is not a purple state into

(19:12):
Texas is blue.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
And that comes from organizing.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
We're gonna be And I know that sounds abstract and futuristic,
but we have to really get serious about these states
where black people really can make an impact without waiting
on dollars from the DC establishment to say that this
is a priority to dealing. We as a black community
have to reevaluate what it means to organize our community
and fight.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
And some people will be left out. And what I
mean by left out, I mean you know in the
way that people lost, things like people that fault.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
So that we can sit at these voting or in
these voting booths and participate, we know that some of
these people will not see what's on the other side,
meaning black equity. Mississippi should be the state right now already.

Speaker 13 (19:55):
For instance, because I sound like I'm talking in circles
about any people understand me.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Scott Coloms should already, we should already be behind this brother,
pushing him to run for Senate in Mississippi to make
sure that we have a black Senate candidate, someone who's elected,
someone who's progressive, someone who has the Chop, someone who
got elected on a progressive platform as DA and stuck
true to that. Right now, speaking from the community, born
and raised in that community, and nobody in DC is
paying attention to Mississippi and this election that we can

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really win and get rid of high Smith down there
in that state.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
We're not doing that ourselves.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
So we are always going to be holding to a
white party establishment and what they think is a priority.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
And I think until we say we could.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Be Democrats, but we need the Democrats to be black,
and what I mean by that is standing up for
black people and black needs.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
We're not seeing that in our leaders or what so
called leaders.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yes, sir, you know, Rinita spent yesterday evening with the
Howard University Alumni Association of Atlanta, shout out to them,
raising money for student scholarships. And one of the folk
there was Senator Randall Mangam, who represents his district Courses
Center to include Stone Mountain. I think about the hand
to hand political fighting that you all have had to

(21:05):
do over the years in the Georgia legislature, and.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
He was making the point to the point that you
just raised.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
One of the points that you just raised mindeale that
in this previous presidential election, that there were four hundred
thousand or so fewer voters in Georgia than there were
than there were in the previous election cycle, and that
state was decided by just a little over one hundred
thouand votes, maybe hundred fifteen hundred, twenty thousand votes.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
And if everybody had voted who voted in twenty twenty
and twenty twenty four, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Well at least we'll be having in a different way.
But Rinita, I think about this.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
You know, I was in the South Carolina Legislature about
a month ago in Columbia. There in Atlanta and Atlanta legislature.
As you have had to wrestle with these folks over
the years, how much. And we think about the several
special elections coming up Florida, New York, the couple in Florida,
one in New York. Is it possible, Jeremndery, notwithstanding, in

(22:03):
this contemporary moment, I mean right now, in the next
month or two, is these special elections come up for
House seats that can flip the House? Is it possible
to organize enough to get these folks turned out to vote,
so you can get rid of some of these folks
in the House representatives, maybe make King Jeffreys the Speaker
of the House.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Or is that just a pipe dream.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
I mean, you've been there, You've seen the difficulties, but
you've also seen successes.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Any thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
It's absolutely possible.

Speaker 14 (22:27):
Similar to what Bondelle said, you have got to have
candidates who are going to galvanize the base. And the
first step of that is a Democratic party needs to
admit which they have consistently kicked against against and will
do anything not to admit this. But the Democratic Party,
I would say the folks who vote for Democrats this
is a black party.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
That is what they need to admit.

Speaker 14 (22:45):
They don't want the issues that campaigns run to reflect
what is essential to black voters.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
That's one of the reasons why you.

Speaker 14 (22:52):
Continue to see that campaigns are largely run statewide campaigns
and national campaigns with only one issue that isn't even
the most central issue to black voters. For example, listen,
I've been the largest voice on abortion in the state.
I literally put my body on the line when the
bill came up in George Doubt law abortion but even
I will tell you, as somebody who put their body
on the line for it, that is not even my

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top number one issue. There are issues that resonate and
reflect in the black community that come well before you
get to things like abortion, well before you get to
some of the issues that Democrats typically want to just
completely run on and ignore the issues that black folks
have been talking about for so long. One of them
is equal protection as it relates to the criminal legal system.

(23:35):
So yes, jerry mandering, i can tell you, is something
that works when you have candidates that are not really
doing a good job of galvanizing the base, and so
what happens is the elections are very close, and so
what happens is conservatives end up winning these seats. But
at a certain point, jerry manning runs up against demographics.
And so when you look in the state of Georgia,

(23:56):
for example, we have had demographic ships that we should
have already had a lot more black candidates elected statewide,
we don't because you have a Democratic party coming in
saying don't talk about this, that's too black, don't talk
about that. Okay, Well, then guess what you're going to have.
Black voters stay home So the final point I'll make
is just like what we saw in twenty twenty four
as it relates to the presidential election, one hundred million

(24:19):
eligible folks, folks who were eligible vote in the country
stayed home. Nine million more registered voters. Now these are
people who are already registered. All they have to do
is go to the booth and vote. Nine million more
registered voters decided not to vote in twenty twenty four
than did in twenty twenty. That is a result of

(24:40):
Democrats content. That is a result of candidates continuing to
run campaigns, and I think that the most of that
nine million was on the Democrat side. But they are
continuing to run campaigns that do not resonate with the base,
and they all want to go for that same moderate
white voter, which Republicans have already cornered the mart On

(25:01):
You do not have a chance at getting those votes.
Even with demographics that wouldn't be enough for you to
win elections. But they insist on trying to get what
Hillary Clinton called the panera bread voters, and it's having
us lose elections every time.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
No, can I add one thing real quick? Oh he's sir,
So I just want to say that. Isn't it unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
That Democrats still have a consulting class that came in
with Bill Clinton running campaigns. I'm still getting emails every
day from James Carville, and I'm not certain if he's
not a damn racist, why am I not getting emails
every day from someone who looks and sound like me.
Plies is more right on our on black issues, black
political issues than James Caufler.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I've not seen the Democratic Party tap into that yet.
I'm not suggesting that Plies is a political strategist.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
What I am saying, though, is it is blatant that
they continue to go to mainstream media allow pundit who
never want an election, ran an election, or turned out
a single damn black voter to have more influence on
what this party is and isn't gonna say the idea
that the Big ten Party is now re evaluating, should
they talk about Big ten issues is a capitulation to whiteness.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
We are not the party of whiteness.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
They left with Ronald Reagan and strom Thurman when they
became Republicans, and they're not coming back like their idea
of black Democrats of the Dixiecrats. There's are Republicans now.
They're not coming back over here, and if you think
that's your strategy, you should go join them. My biggest
complaint about our party is that we continue with these

(26:31):
soft ass consultants who used to be media consultants and
male consultants who spend eighty percent of the budget on
that instead of spending any money on what they call
off years building relationship, transformative relationships, and they just wait
to transactions, tell people to go vote because of the
most important election, and that doesn't resonate true with black people.
And these black people aren't the black people with past.

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And we should also note that it's more of them.
It's more black people in America than there ever was.

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The Baby Booming generation was large, but it was mostly white.

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These new generations are forty fifty something other than white,
and they damn sure don't show up like our grandparents did.

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Speaker 7 (29:24):
Welcome back to Roland Martin unfiltered here on the black
Star Network. I'm Greg Carr, sitting in for Roland Martin today.
At a little afternoon twelve o six pm Eastern Time. Specifically,
a bombshell dropped on the web page of The Atlantic
Journal The Atlantic Magazine. Jeffrey Goldberg, writing under the headline

(29:45):
the Trump administration accidentally texted me its war plans, said
that US national security leaders included me in a group
chat about upcoming military strikes and Yemen. Goldberg writes, I
didn't think it could be real, then the bombs started falling.
During a press conference today, House Nordy leader Haqeen Jeffries
criticized Defense Secretary Pete Hexif and other senior Trump administration

(30:09):
officials for their reckless handling of sensitive attack plans against
the Houthis in Yemen in a signal group chat. They
owned the group chat with these secret plans not so secret.
I guess, Hilo Marco, you on that group chat to
which your reporter had been added.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Let's hear what Hakem Jeffries had to say.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
The Atlantic says he was caught on this text change
signal chat.

Speaker 17 (30:33):
We talked from the administration officials as they were discussing
these air strikes in the end, and what is your
reaction to that?

Speaker 6 (30:39):
And do you believe there should be a correstional investigation?

Speaker 23 (30:42):
It should absolutely be a congressional investigation so that we
can understand what happened, why did it happen, and how
do we prevent this type of national security breach from
ever happening again. This is reckless, irresponsible, and dangerous. Who

(31:05):
are some of these people that Donald Trump has put
into the most sensitive national security positions in America? We
were promised that Donald Trump was going to hire the
very best. It's all phony. The attacks on diversity, equity

(31:26):
and inclusion phony, So it's.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Never about hiring the best people.

Speaker 23 (31:35):
As Democrats, we actually believe in merit, merit that should
be based.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
On what you know, not who you know.

Speaker 23 (31:47):
And understand this whole Trump administration is filled with lackeys
and incompetent cronies. I'm not talking about any particular individual, though,
I will note that the Secretary of Defense who was
on that chain has got to be the most unqualified

(32:08):
person ever to lead the Pentagon in American history. Think
about that. You've put these people in charge in a
very dangerous world, and then you.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Want to.

Speaker 23 (32:27):
Attack communities of color, attack women, and attack others who
are actually very qualified.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
C Q.

Speaker 23 (32:37):
Brown incredibly qualified, brilliant, serve this country well. All of
these attacks from the Trump administration on a diverse America,
it's all phony. These people are incredibly unqualified, irresponsible, and

(33:03):
they're jeopardizing America's national security.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
Doctor de Binga, what did we just witness with this
leak over the arc of the last week in Goldbert
writing in The Atlantic that he got roped in and realized, wait,
this can't be real, and then realized it was real.
I mean, is this as big an issue as we
heard Leader Jeffries make it to be?

Speaker 15 (33:29):
Oh, most definitely. And you know this is I just
keep you know, I just keep getting the scene from
Birth of a Nation in my head when they're in
the Congress and you know, they got the black vison,
they got the chicken and the like. All this is
how the like take off the black face. But you know,
like this is how they're running the government like they
don't care about anything. They don't care about anything. This

(33:52):
is absolutely scary. What if the folks, the Huthis and
Yemen actually got a hold of this of what the
strikes were about to be and our troops could have
been ambushed easily. And people talk about, well, Huthy's don't
really have that technology. They absolutely have that technology. And
then of course we have to ask ourselves a question
if they if Huthi's might be able to get access
to this, do you think Russia and them don't got it?

(34:14):
We know we have this story about Goldberg being on it,
but my question is who else was on this signal
chat that we don't know about, Maybe in the hidden
way who else was on the other signal chat stuff
they're using. And the fact that they're not even supposed
to be using these signal chats because they're supposed to
be documenting all of their correspondents, because as we know,

(34:34):
signal messages disappear within an hour or so. Then they're
not making sure that they're putting themselves on record. But
this is what I mean when I say President Trumpet's
running a what had happened was presidency because every time
something like this dropped, says a, well, what had happened
was Remember last week they said, oh, drop all of
the documents relating to the Kennedy assassination. But you know
they convenient leader and recognized when they put out all

(34:55):
of the unredacted information, all of the social security numbers
of about sixty people we're out there put out there
as well, including people who have worked for government in
many levels. Since then, would the Trump administration say, oh,
we're going to get you new social Security numbers. Don't
worry about it, like pick the department, Pick the department.
And people see this incompetence. Their definition of what a

(35:15):
DEI hire is, which is not the actual definition, is
what they represent all the time, every single day. But lastly,
I will say this also represents how this administration has
no shame and no decency, because any other administration, at
the very least somebody would have lost their job, there
might have been some other type of investigation, and.

Speaker 16 (35:37):
There would have been an apology.

Speaker 15 (35:39):
We're not going to get any of this from this
administration because they're ignorant, disrespectful, and shameless.

Speaker 16 (35:44):
And that's the part we also can't forget.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
They have no character, none, absolutely, and as we've seen
today the MAGA muppet Mike Johnson has already come out
in defense of this.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm saying, well, you know, it was not that big
a deal.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Very interesting, Nita, and just thinking about this in terms
of what what we just heard on the CONGO say,
the incompetence, maybe that's the point. I mean, one of
the things they obviously want to do is privatize as
much of the government as they can, and they can say, well,
maybe private industry and private business can run it a
little a bit better, a lot more efficiently. Looking at
some of the exchanges, the text to changes, we saw

(36:24):
sm as the initials of one of the person's on
this apparently eighteen person as so chained. Goldbergs thinks that
that's probably Stephen Miller, but sm texted as they were
talking about whether or not to go in to do
this attack. He said that, you know, greenlight as far
as the president is concerned. But let's make it clear

(36:44):
to Europe and to Egypt what we expect in return.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
He said.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
Basically, if the United States successfully restores freedom of navigation,
this is the ideologue Stephen Miller, very likely at great cost.
There needs to be some further economic gain acted in return.
It's interesting to get a peek behind the curtain as
to the thinking of these thoroughly incompetent folk, but it
seems like everything for them is about transaction. It's transactional.

(37:13):
They're looking for ways to basically screw money out of
these other countries. And while we see this question with
the Huthis and Yemen, we see these active war zones
basically proxy wars for sure, all over the world. They
just seem to be interested in how to squeeze more
money out of this. Any thoughts on this leak on

(37:33):
the implications for national security or the attitude and vision
and objective of this administration as it relates to what
they're trying to accomplish as opposed to what the rest
of us may be subject to.

Speaker 14 (37:47):
Absolutely, they do see everything as being transactional, and that
is because most of them have never had any experience
serving in government. And so when you have served in government,
not to say that government does everything perfectly, but one
thing that you have to think about is that the
decisions you make will have future ramifications, and you have
to sort of think broadly and into the future as
it relates to making decisions. This is what I will

(38:08):
say about this administration, and it's the same case that
we were in the first time Trump was elected. Both
of his presidencies have been a crash course for many
who did not know what all of us on this
panel knows, which is that the white man's ice is
not colder. There are so many people who have found
themselves understanding that these people are completely incompetent.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
This undeserved, just.

Speaker 14 (38:32):
Unfettered trust that white men know best, So let's continue
to just elect them almost exclusively as leaders. Has put
us in a position where you can see the sheer
incompetence of this administration. And so for them to constantly
every day bring up DEI as it relates to them,
you know, essentially making the point that they are the
type of folks who should be in positions of power,

(38:53):
that white folks should be essentially almost exclusively in positions
of power. Just goes back to the fact that we
are seeing that they are really the dei hires. They
have no They're just there simply because they're white men,
and people still, for some reason have some inherent sort
of trust that.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
A white man will know the best way to lead.

Speaker 14 (39:10):
And so a lot of folks are finding out in
real time what most black folks already know, which is
that the white man's ice is not colder water freeze
at thirty two degrees for everyone.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
Absolutely absolutely mindeal. You know, I'm glad that Anita framed
it the way that you did, just because you know,
we think about the United States and people push the
United States and patriotism and this hypernationalism. But what these
texts reveal, in addition to the incompetence, which we already
knew about but certain in terms of reinforces that what

(39:44):
they also reveal is the echo chamber and the fact
that there's a lot of delusion, certainly in the current
administration relative to the idea of the strength of the
United States visa the other countries in the world, and
an increasingly multi polar world. And as you say, need
the ice freezers at the same temperature for everyone. While
the Huthis are in Yemen, these air strikes are not

(40:05):
going to stop them.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
In the Red Sea.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
Certainly, the overtures, whether it be China or Russia, whether
it be the Bricks emerging and more countries applying for
membership every month in the Bricks, this turn inward mindelle,
this hyper nationalists, kind of Christian fascist nationalism. Certainly we
see Steve and Millerdy vomiting that stuff. And the current
Secretary of brill Cream I mean defense, I think Pete

(40:28):
Hexith with this kind of Christian warrior attitude, it's very
insult very inward turning. What do you think of the
implications beyond this leak, beyond this kind of compromised national
security issue.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
In the broader world.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
And I'm gonna ask you about that too, brother, And
as far as geopolitics goes and the United States role
in the world and increasing the shrinking world, you know,
what do these messages say to you about how the
attitude of this current administration may just help accelerate the

(41:03):
decline of US power in the world system.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Listen, I think we are naive if we don't believe that.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
If we you don't have to be a leader of
a foreign nation to realize that people aren't looking.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
To America in this moment as they did even you know,
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Because how could you, how could you take this administration
from what you're seeing? But for these you know, these
racist white people who swear Trump is the sac can coming.
How could you take this administration series as a national
partner or depend on them to protect you when you
see how we show up for our closest allies in
Canada and Mexico.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
And some of our European partners.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
How you see how we pretend to be serious, but
we're pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. How can
we be serious when you see how we pull out
of the World Health Organization, things that are keeping this
country and the world and the United Nations, and our
animosity towards other nations. When you see this, you can't
think this country serious as a national partner out for
the defense of America or other nations, for sure, But

(42:03):
I think I think what's what's really clear is we
should not take on the language of these people.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
And I know we want to call this a leak,
but I don't even think this is a leak. I
think this is how they operate. They're that incompetent.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
The Vice President of the United States was on that chat,
Secretary of State, right, the CEI I mean CIA director
was there.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
The CIA director.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Was on that call.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Gavitt was on that call, and also Waltz. So I
think when we when we think about it, these are these.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Are boys texting around, making jokes and celebrating something that
they thought looked good in their eyes. This is how
they normally communicate. And I think what we should be
worried about is these people are talking on signal, as
someone already said, and they can you can make messages
disappear in an hour or minutes on signal.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
So what is being said in.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
The chat that, uh, you know, reporters didn't get added to,
how are we conducting business or what kind of interfarious ideas?
And I don't notice to be true, but I'm I mean,
we're talking about a dastardly bunch here.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
What kind of deals are being made with.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Other people for the benefit, like you said, the transactional
benefit of these the most rich cabinet in the richest
cabinet in the history of this company country. How are
they benefiting themselves, not the people of America on signal
and other places, because I know they're not keeping proper notes.
I'm afraid that you asked about geopolitics and how the

(43:25):
world is shrinking. I think the world's persona Anderson, their
personal thought of America is shrinking, like America is not how.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
We should do business or who we should lean ourselves on.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
We see our allies spending more money on defending themselves
now than they ever had because they don't feel comfortable.
And I told people in Donald Trump's first administration, be
sure that when people saw Donald Trump take us out
of the Paris of Court, then we saw Joe Biden
put us back in and Donald Trump gets back in
office and take us how people at this point cannot

(43:58):
look about other nations, cannot look to America and say
this is how or where we share upoint ourselves too
as a north star on democracy, because our democracy is
not just.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Downgraded on paper, we're downgraded in actions.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
And you see it in the way Donald Trump show
up executive order, diminishing the role of the judiciary, executive
order taking control of the money. He's the person which
is supposed to be for the legislative branch. So we
see someone who is putting all the power in himself.
Now you have Republicans and Donald Trump joking about him

(44:32):
running for running for president to be elected for a
third term.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
And I think that joke should be scary to all
of us because.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
It's the beginning of the end of America's democracy, not
just under geo political stance, but right here at home.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
Nah, it's true, and you're absolutely right. It's not a joke.
It's absolutely not a joke. They have a theory all
warmed up. We dodged a bullet there in North Carolina
with the Independent State Legislature theory that they shot down
at the Supreme Court during the Biden administration.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
But this one is one that they are deadly serious about.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
But of course the grim Reaper might want a word,
because the grim Reaper is the voter that ultimately votes
on how long any of us are here. I don't
suspect that Donald Trump might be around for to run
for a third time. But we'll see mortality the same
night awaits us all. Well, when we're going to come
back in a moment here Roland Martin unfiltered and you're
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Speaker 7 (47:14):
Well, here we are again, our latest installment of the
Crockett Chronicles. When maybe this is a rhetorical question, when
are these white women going to learn not to go
after Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. During a Fox interview, Attorney
General Pam Bondi warned Crockett to quote tread very carefully

(47:36):
in quote. Just days after the Democrats spoke at a
virtual rally for the Tesla takedown movement. If you don't
think the Tesla takedown movement is serious, eighty five percent
crater in Tesla sales in Europe, so Let's be clear.
This group is protesting against Elon Musk and the Department
of Government efficiencies efforts to dismantle the Federal Bureaucer see

(48:00):
through boycotts and demonstrations at Tesla properties.

Speaker 21 (48:06):
We are not coming off these charges. We are looking
at everything, especially if this is a concerted effort. This
is domestic terrorism. And Maria, now you have this Congresswoman
Crockett who is calling for attacks on Elon Musk on
her birthday. Let's take him out on my birthday, she says.
Yet she turns and says, oh, I'm not calling for violence. Well,

(48:28):
she is an elected public official, and so she needs
to tread very carefully because nothing will happen to Elon Musk.
And we're going to fight to protect all of all
of the Tesla owners throughout this country. And it's this
basic safety. Once again, domestic terrorism is going to come
to a stop in our country.

Speaker 7 (48:50):
Well, what we've learned is something that we probably should
have suspected that Paan Beyondi doesn't know the definition of
domestic terrorism.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
But then again, that's not why she's they general, isn't it.
It's not at all.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Alena Habit, who just was made the top federal prosecutor
for New Jersey. Trump's personal lawyer, who we last saw
losing in New York court as now the top federal
prosecutor in New Jersey. So whether it be Alena Habit
or Pam Bindy, I think it's pretty clear how you
all got y'all jobs and why you got them. But hey,

(49:23):
we all know the Jasmine Crockett Congresswoman Crockett will answer
when shots are fired. She addressed Bondie's remarks during an
interview on MSNBC.

Speaker 24 (49:36):
Tesla Takedown. That is the name of the website, and
it was all about this large protest that they're calling for,
and this is a non violent protest that they're calling for.
And in fact, when I was on there, which is
why the Attorney General had to say that I wasn't
calling for violence. And it's ridiculous that I even have

(49:57):
to say something like that. But because they are trying
to twist our words, one of the things that I
told people to do is make.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Sure you are adhering to the laws in your area.

Speaker 24 (50:09):
Make sure you know what it looks like to protest
and to be able to raise your voices and to
exercise your constitutional right to free speech, and what we
see is that they want to dull our free speech rights.
They want to make sure that those that are participating
in the press, because we saw that there have been
recent attacked specifically on this news organization. They want y'all

(50:34):
to kind of tamp down what you say and hopefully
buy into the lies instead of going out there and
just telling the truth. And so yeah, I'm excited to
see that Elon Musk that his money as it relates
to Tesla, Well, Tesla's tanking right now, and.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 24 (50:53):
So just in case the slow people listening decide to
clip this up later, I just want to say that
I have never promoted violence whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Yet I've also never.

Speaker 24 (51:04):
Made excuse for those violent actors such as the ones
on January sixth. So, Pam Bondy, if you have an
issue with terrorism, maybe you should talk to your boss
about locking back up those guys that he let out
that participated in January sixth.

Speaker 7 (51:23):
Twuman Crockett, who of course has a law degree practice
law business owner, had our own law firm helping us
understand the difference, perhaps between a definitional statute and a
charging statute. So Pam Bondy using words kind of loosely
there and Jasmin Crockett reminding us that there are indeed
domestic terrorists in the United States who were charged and convicted,

(51:46):
and many of them were pardoned by Pam Bondi's boss,
Donald Trump. Doctor de Binga, you sit there and look
at this, You've written about this, you teach about this,
how race operates. What do you make of Bondi's statements
and why do you think she made them and aimed
them specifically at as she said this Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett,

(52:09):
And what do you hear when you hear the way
that Bondi lined out there?

Speaker 16 (52:14):
Oh, she's putting a target on her back.

Speaker 15 (52:17):
And she's also trying to issue a warning to other
black people in general, because she knows full well that
Representative Crocketted is beloved in our community and that even
before you know the bleached blonde comment, you know that
went viral, she was always somebody who was represented and
well respected in our community and just adored on so
many levels.

Speaker 16 (52:37):
And so this is kind of an opportunity to wait
for them to kind.

Speaker 15 (52:39):
Of start at somebody at the top, because you've never
really heard Pam Bonni mention any other congress people or
senators by name. You know, of course Trump does a
shifty shift all of other type of stuff, but Pam
Bondi doesn't really do that. She kind of speaks in generalizations.
But now she's trying to issue that particular type of warning.
And the fact of the matter is that letting people
know that we're going to protect Tesla in any way,

(53:01):
shape or form. You know, we're going to sell the
cars on the lot, we're going to advertise selling the stock.
But now we're also going to stop these acts of
domestic terrorism. But as Representative Crockett said, not looking at
the real terrorism that happens across this country on a
daily basis. She's trying to throw some shots to say
you better be careful. But Representative Crockett as someone who's
as we know, has never called her violence and who
somebody is always careful with her words.

Speaker 16 (53:23):
But we know for them it doesn't matter.

Speaker 15 (53:24):
It's about symbolism, it's about trying to keep black people
in place, it's about trying to keep us silent. And
so they're starting at the top of somebody who's the
most vocal, and this kind of happened with with Aunti Maxine.
Remember when she was talking about if you see these
guys in the restaurant, confront them and they're like, oh,
a representative w is calling for violence, and she was like, no,
confront them in terms of having a conversation, tell them

(53:47):
you don't like your policies and that you voted for them,
all of that.

Speaker 16 (53:50):
But they are master manipulators.

Speaker 15 (53:52):
But they are also the masters of projection, because every
projection is a confession, because they are the one inflicting
terrorism on people in America right now, look at the
people who they just shipped to Ol Salvador as the
latest example.

Speaker 7 (54:06):
Absolutely absolutely, And we lift up Jung su Chung, who
is suing right now.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
They filed a lawsuit today.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
She's a student at Columbia University in New York, South Korean,
twenty one years old. She's been here since she was seven,
has permanent residence status. Only an immigration judge can take
away a green cart, and she's suing because they're trying
to get rid of her. And of course we saw
earlier a couple of weeks ago what happened there with
Mahmoud Khalil, who also fellow legal immigrant at Columbia University

(54:37):
who was detained by ICE and Rinito. We've heard the
over the top rhetoric of Tom Holman, Trump's attack dog
with ICE and Department of Homeland Security saying that I
don't really care about these judges.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Off on my nose and do whatever I want to do.

Speaker 7 (54:53):
But you know, already put in this target as on
the congo said on the back of Representative Crockett, and
trying to send a message that we don't care. We
can do whatever we want, and we'll do it in
the name of national security. We'll do it in the
name of protecting the homeland from domestic terrorism.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Legal or not legal. We have the right to do that,
or we have the power to do that.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
What do you make of this, particularly since you know,
we know, particularly in the Deep South, that the idea
of targeting people with rhetoric stirs up other people, and
then these paramilitaries, these extra legal organizations, these places, you know,
can jump into action and perhaps have the intended consequences
that such heated rhetoric stirs up.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Should we be.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
Preparing to protect Representative Crockett at all costs at this point?
I mean, what do you make of this situation, we.

Speaker 14 (55:47):
Should because statistically, black women when they serve in public office,
receive more death threats than any other demographic of elected official.
I certainly received my share of death threats while serving
folks who will call my office and say, conservative white
man call my office saying I'm coming down to the
Capitol on her right now, calling demanding for my home information,
all types of stuff. At the end of the day,

(56:07):
Pam Bondi and I would just say conservatives overall, they
are the most thin skinned people you can possibly find.
They would not last as a black woman elected official
if they had to, if they had to be us
for one day, they would quit by lunchtime. And so
for Pam to add sauce to what Representative Crockett said,
because that's what she did. Representative Crockett said, I hope

(56:29):
that Elon will be out for my birthday, referencing getting
him out of the White House, which is correct because
he doesn't He's not been elected by anybody. He doesn't
belong there. She says she wants him out, and that
is her right. She's broken no laws by saying that
she wants him out. She's simply saying that she does
not wish Elon well. Pam, I don't wish you well,
and that is my right as an American. So I

(56:51):
think that this whole game that they are playing trying
to basically force it on people that they have to
continue to give Elon the popularity that he is used to,
and they have that people have to only have good
thoughts about how they run this administration is a bunch
of garbage. The more you try to shove something down
a person's throat and tell them to think a certain way,

(57:11):
it never works out well. People inherently reject that, and
people inherently reject what you're trying to do. If you
are doing such a good job, and this includes Pam
BONDI trump all of them, If you're doing such a
good job with the way you're running this administration, then
you wouldn't be having to tamp down on what people
voicing what they think about how the administration is going.
People would be happy with it, but they're not, and

(57:33):
people do have the right to speak up and say
that they are not happy with it.

Speaker 7 (57:37):
Indeed, I just want to sit there for a second,
in the fact that people are calling your office threatening
to come down there, that is y'all this saint to
nineteen forties, fifties and sixties. We're talking about right now,
twenty first century. They just want that to resonate, resonate
very loudly. We should all hear that crystal clear. You
know whether or not the threats, the threat is. The

(57:58):
threat doesn't matter where it's coming from. Man, just thinking
about that, but the Minddale, Yeah, what do you think?
What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Well?

Speaker 4 (58:08):
I think people should hear what I mean, like we
shouldn't even like you said, we should sit there for
a moment because Rinita just said something. She was a servant,
a elected servant, and getting death threats. I'm someone who
does not stay. I've not slept a night in my bed.
As mayor in a town, I have to go and
leave that town every day. I have meetings because of

(58:29):
death threats to turn down a Confederate monument. Two and
a half years, I'm moving back and forth from hotel
to hotel and different locations for the protection of me
and my wife. Credible threats where people have my address
because I was docked by the lawyer White Knights, which
is the largest.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Clan chapter in this country. The same ones that plan
in Charlotteville. But what BONDI want to do is if
she want.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
To talk about those domestic terrorists, then she should be
talking about what her FBI said that the largest and
the greatest threat to America is the greatest form of
domestic terrorism is white supremacy, white nationalists. She should get
busy with that, but she can't because she's disarmed the
civil rights division of her department. These people aren't serious,

(59:11):
and as a matter of fact, I don't know if
she understands the difference between domestic and global. But the
Takedown Tesla is a global movement and it's a global
call to action, and it says directly on their website
that they are against any form of violence or property.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Destruction and vandalism.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
But they definitely want anybody that owns stocking Tesla to
get rid of it, dump it, anybody that owns a
Tesla to sell it, and also to protest this weekend
in front of one of the five hundred locations worldwide.
Thirty of them are playing in the United States across
thirty states. So I think this idea that they they
think that is a form of violence.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
It is in their mind because they are white people.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Not understanding why black people and other people are standing
up or having the right to be up with the
negroes in this moment, and that would always be a
form of terrorism for people who support and stand for
the idea of whiteness. You, me, and everybody on this
panel do not have a right Ant Crocker included, do
not have a right to question whiteness a white person.

(01:00:10):
And I think that's the point they're speaking from. The
problem is they're saying it out loud, and we need
to listen to them, because they're not dog whistling anymore.
They're letting you know that black people need to be
in their place, and if you're not, we're.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Willing to use all matters of government to put you there.

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
Absolutely absolutely, And for those who are, I'm so glad
you brought the global context there for those who have
been paying attention. The electric vehicle leader in the world,
the giant is BYD out of China. Can't buy them here,
of course, but today BYD reported annual revenues from twenty

(01:00:48):
twenty four of around one hundred and seven billion dollars.
Last year, Testa's annual revenue was ninety seven point seven billion,
and that's without access to the US market. That profit
jump thirty four percent for BYD in fiscal year twenty
twenty four. By the way, about two weeks ago they
announced a quantum leap in battery technology. They now have

(01:01:12):
announced a battery that can go almost three hundred miles
for an electric vehicle on a five minute charge. Elon Musk,
do you hear what's coming for your baby? I know
that's why you want to steal our tax dollars. But
we'll be back in a moment here at the Black
Star Network and Roland Martin unfielder back in the moment

(01:01:34):
next on the Black Table with me Greg call succession.
We're hearing that word pop up a lot these days
as our country continues to fracture and divide.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
But did you know that that I did.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
Essentially, a breaking up of the USA has been part
of the public debate since long before and long after
the Civil War.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Right up to today.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
On our next show, you'll meet Richard Crich, the author
of this book, who says breaking up this great experiment
called America might not be such a bad thing. That's
on the next Black Table right here on the Black
Star Network.

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Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
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your daily news. House Republican leaders issued a not so
subtle warning to their Senate counterparts today, the message it's
time to move on Trump's ad legislative agenda. House Speaker

(01:02:59):
my let start saying Maga Muppet. House Speaker Mike Johnson,
along with his leadership team and House Committee chairs, released
a joint statement emphasizing that with the current fiscal years
government funding debate now resolved, quote, our focus returns to
delivering President Trump's full America First agenda in quote good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Tomorrow marks one month.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Since the House adopted a budget blueprint that outlines the
Chambers benchmarks for significant tax and spending cuts, which will
be part of a large reconciliation package reflecting Trump's agenda.
The budget reconciliation process allows Republicans to pass their priorities
without the risk of a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. However,
Senate Republicans are interested in making changes to the House budget,

(01:03:43):
while lawmakers in the House prefer to maintain their original plane.
This is very interesting, Renie. You've been a legislator, a lawmaker.
I guess it was all fun and games when you
can pass that resolution and pass that bill and go
out and go out, but you know, leave town. But

(01:04:06):
now you got to come back and put your name
on specific line item votes. What do you think is
about to happen? Just walk us through what you expect
to see happen, because you know what that process is about.

Speaker 14 (01:04:17):
What I expect to see happen is what I think
was going to happen for a long time, which is
that the stop gap bill that they passed just to
avoid the government from shutting down. Now they've got to
put in place a real budget, and what you're going
to see is the rubber meat in the road. So
that fiscal sort of outline that they previously passed never
had details as to what the final budget would entail.

(01:04:39):
And so I think that you're going to see now
even the infighting between the GOP because now as it
relates to how you are going to cut as much
as what you would need from the budget in order
to provide tax cuts for the rich, which is what
the reason why Trump is trying to cut all these
federal agencies, you're going to have to touch social programs
like Medicaid, Medicare, social Security. And at the end of

(01:05:00):
the day, as much as these GOP GOP reps might
want to support Trump and the Trump administration, they have
a district to answer to. And when you have to
go and explain to seniors things like, oh, there's going
to probably be a problem with your Social Security or oh,
the Medicaid that you that you know most local hospitals
depend on is going to get cut, which means you're
probably going to likely lose your local hospital. That kind

(01:05:23):
of stuff is not going to fly with folks. There's
already been one estimate that if Medicaid gets cut, twelve
hospitals in Alabama will likely go out of business. Georgia
has been seeing hospitals go out of business left and
right due to low Medicaid funding, and so there are
so many hospitals across the country that are on the brink,
and so people have started to wise up to, you know,

(01:05:43):
sort of understand that there is a lot to lose here.
And I think that these reps, these GOP reps, you're
going to see the infighting because people reps know that
they cannot sustain telling their base that they are going
to cut the very checks and the very things that
folks depend on, like Social Security and retirement Medicaid to
keep local hospitals open. Medicare comes into play largely after

(01:06:07):
you have retired, that's your insurance. That type of stuff.
Folks are not going to agree. And when I say folks,
I meaning we're talking about GP infighting here. The Republican
voters are not going to agree that they are willing
to give up all of those things that make their
lives run easier so that they can support Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Not going to happen. When you heard it here first,
you all and no doctor Binga, what you think about this?

Speaker 25 (01:06:33):
Man?

Speaker 7 (01:06:33):
I mean, it's clear now as we just heard, we
need to say the rubber's got to meet the road.
Now you got to do these votes, and what are
you going to tell your constituents who they're hiding from
in the town halls. And by the way, shout out
to Tim Walls for going places where they won't hold
town halls. And Wall said, I'll come, I'll talk to everybody.
Maybe there's some fight left in the Democratic Party, at
least some people who are in the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
But what do you make of this omicongo?

Speaker 15 (01:06:57):
Well, I think this is just another re mind of
the fact that Republicans don't know how to govern, and
many of they don't have an interest in governing. Most
Republicans presidents in recent memories are the ones that left
us with recessions. And these senators also can't get out
there and talk like a Marjorie Taylor Green and other
people who are in safe districts. They got to worry

(01:07:17):
about winning statewide. And so this is one of the
challenges when it comes to Republican administrations. When they're basically
running the table in terms of running you know, the House,
and they got the presidency as well. Of course they
got the courts now of course as well. They can't
govern and so they come out with all of these legislation,
but when it's time to implement something on a national level.
They talk a good game, but we get left on

(01:07:39):
the hook in terms of the American people. We get
left on the hook by the fear of what's going
to happen, the anticipation, the anxiety, not knowing what these guys.

Speaker 16 (01:07:46):
Are going to do. And so this is a real problem.

Speaker 15 (01:07:48):
And then you add Trump in there with the tariffs,
So wait till April second. You know, he plays a
you know, wait until next episode type of mindset because
of his TV background that has Americans on edge. And
at some point, all of these these senators, all of
these House people, all they care about is being re
elected and they're going to do whatever it's possible to
be able to keep that. And so if they're not
going to be showing up for these town halls and

(01:08:09):
they're not going to be showing up to speak to
the people, they are damn sure going to make sure
that they at least stay in line. I'm talking about
the senators in some way, shape or form by not
going along with this agenda, because more people.

Speaker 16 (01:08:19):
Have to elect them than these House members. And that's
what I think is what's going on.

Speaker 15 (01:08:23):
And that's why I think I'm going to continually see
an impast because they don't really have to answer to
Trump in the same way that these House loyalists feel
like they have to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yes, sir, yes, sir. You know it's interesting Mondale.

Speaker 7 (01:08:36):
Tomorrow we see Frank Bisignano is going before Congress for
his initial round of hearings as Trump's picked a head
the Social Security Administration.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
He's a controversial pick.

Speaker 7 (01:08:50):
We saw last week at the end of the week,
Leland Dudek, who is the current acting commissioner, threatened to
shut down all of the work of Social Security in
response to a judge's orders, but then he turned around
and back down. They're incompetence. Their breathtaking in competence has
really come out in places like Social Security, And of

(01:09:11):
course we know Musk is losing his mind trying to
get at all the data there and claiming it's the
Pazi scheme and having his Musk rats rifle through people's
personal information. Seventy three million people a month gets Social Security.
How concerned, kind of echoing what we heard from Rinita,
how concerned are you about these upcoming legislative battles And

(01:09:33):
do you think they're going to be able to do
what they claim they want to do in the broad
kind of rhetoric.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
When it comes down to the actual active policy making.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I think for me, for real, Doc, what I'm
not really worried about is what they're claiming publicly, because
what they're claiming publicly is not as sinister is what
they're really trying to do. So that's what I'm really
worried about, as a mayor who went back home to
run for mayor because of gentrification and also some of
the poors people in America being pushed further away from
resources in rural Black.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
America and North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I know what it means for people not to have a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Check, and I know the problem is you have the richest,
one of the richest cabinets in the history of this country.
Now you have these people, billionaires saying that people can
go months or a month without, you know, a Social
Security check, and I think that's just unrealistic for people
who are living paycheck to paycheck, and some of them
those paychecks still don't add up enough to make their

(01:10:28):
lives plausible. So I'm super afraid about what these poetrion
are trying to secure, you know, four trillion dollars as
tax cuts for the wealthiest one percent or less than
one percent of Americans at the expensive cuts to Medicaid,
energy and also social security.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Here's what I think is gonna happen, what history has
shown us.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
People will rant and rave, but Republicans will get in
line with what Donald Trump says, even those who.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Are not worried about.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
As much as like I mean, even those in the
Senate who run statewide. And what we know is Donald
Trump is not just Donald Trump anymore. He's Donald Trump
with Elon's must and they're willing to spend their money
on or against people who don't get in line.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
And I think that's what we're seeing right now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
This idea or the power of Elon's Must money tapped
with Donald Trump's willingness to lie about anything and the
lack of humanity that exists in this administration has become
the ruler that's needed to get Republicans in line.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
So we see these even the Freedom.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Caucus who say that they are conservative, fiscally conservative, we
see them willing to spend more money for Donald Trump.
We see them willing to cut social service or the
social safety net at great expense, even to poor white people.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
And Appalachia in the Midwest solely to please Donald Trump.
So I'm really not worried about what they're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
I'm really worried about what's going to happen and who's
going to be affected, knowing that when America sneezes, black
people already are suffering from COVID the next COVID, and
I think, what's going to happen when we start seeing
the irresponsible or we start feeling the ramifications of the
irresponsible way at which they're cutting and dividing up government
departments and also cutting resources away from the poorest amongst us,

(01:12:11):
is you're going to see black people dying at rates
that is not hyperbole, dying at rates that are similar
to what we saw in COVID when nobody else is
dying like us. And I think people aren't telling the
truth about that, and that's what keep me up at night.

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
Well, I say it's gonna be a lot harder than
they think it is. Or perhaps, as you said, the
rhetoric is not going to mask the policymaker. And yeah,
thank you for pointing out Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary
who estimates between two and four billion dollars his net
worth for throwing his ninety four year old mother in
law under the bus the other day and saying, well,

(01:12:45):
she wouldn't call and complain about her missing her Social
Security I guess she wouldn't with a billionaire son in law,
though she should be on the phone trying to figure
out how to get rid of you as a son
in law.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
You clown.

Speaker 7 (01:12:56):
But at any rate, we're going to come back in
a moment here Roland Martin unfiltered. And on the other side,
we're going to go international and think about our family
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Back here, Roland Martin unfiltered.

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This week on the other side of change, let's talk
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Speaker 19 (01:13:19):
We need political imagination more than ever.

Speaker 20 (01:13:21):
And unfortunately some people on the Democratic side really are
discouraging that we're gonna dig into all of this.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
The Democratic Party needs to remember.

Speaker 25 (01:13:31):
Who they are and who they are responsible to.

Speaker 19 (01:13:35):
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Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
A de facto ceasefire between Congolesee forces and Rwanda and
backed rebels in the eastern Congo town of Wallakali appeared
to have broke appears to have broken down. The rebels

(01:14:16):
renegged on a pledge to withdraw and accuse the army
of violating its commitments. The conflict in Congo rooted in
the long fallout, in part in the long fallout from
the nineteen ninety four genocide in Rwanda, and competition for
control of mineral riches has led to rebel control of
Eastern Congo's two largest cities, thousands of deaths, millions of

(01:14:38):
deaths over the arc of the decades, and fears of
a wider regional war. Very happy to welcome here to
Roland Martin and Filtered my friend and brother, doctor Sam Livingston,
who is a social professor of Africana Studies at Morehouse
College and has been a long time organizer, supporter, advocate
and comrade in the struggle to bring peace to Congo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Welcome to willand Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 25 (01:15:05):
Dtr Liviston dot the car My brother, Greg, It's good
to be with you, man.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
Yeah, Sam, walk us through this, man, if you don't mind,
because I mean, folks know about Congo a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
They hear it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
We've had the boycott, We've had the idea, you know,
being educated around cold team.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
But for some people, they don't know where to begin
and where to end.

Speaker 7 (01:15:24):
Could you help a viewer who may be hearing this
for the first time, who thinks they may know, or
even who thinks they may know, help us with a
little bit of background as to what's going on in Congo.

Speaker 26 (01:15:35):
Absolutely, I would definitely put this in a little bit
of a longer context. You know, the Rwinding genocide beginning
in April of nineteen ninety four, which we need to
commemorate with our Rwandan brothers and sisters, was one of
the here triggers.

Speaker 25 (01:15:52):
But really this.

Speaker 26 (01:15:54):
Began once the United States government under President Eisenhower decided
that he would, for the first time in American history,
assassinate a sitting president. The United States had overturned, overthrown,
removed from office presidents that they disagreed with in terms

(01:16:15):
of the politics, but they hadn't assassinated, to my knowledge,
anyone who was sitting in office. But President Eisenhower basically
decided that an African man standing up and representing the
national cause of Congolese people was more than he could stomach.

(01:16:37):
And when you look at the newspaper the drum beat
toward war in nineteen fifty nine, nineteen sixty and nineteen
sixty one, toward justifying the assassination of Patrice Lammba, it
was really a downhill slide from there. So you take
that and once the United States installed Mobutu Seseko in

(01:16:59):
the Hour in nineteen sixty five and basically facilitated the
kleptocratic state in many ways, Trump is like an American
Mobutu in many ways. They basically facilitated the theft of
billions and billions, if not trillions and trillions of dollars

(01:17:21):
of dollars in wealth. And after the genocide in nineteen
ninety four, Rwanda, with the backing of the United States,
along with along with Uganda, invaded North kievl.

Speaker 25 (01:17:35):
And essentially sought to.

Speaker 26 (01:17:39):
Depopulate as much as possible, basically killing up to six
million people.

Speaker 25 (01:17:46):
Now, most recently, what you've seen with the M twenty three, which.

Speaker 26 (01:17:50):
Started out as a Tutsi based militia, and it's really
expanded to include Vanya, Melinge, Vadyr Rwanda people can you
rewind and speaking people, and then others who are just
really mercenaries. But it's really important to note that Kagame
has at least three thousand soldiers on the ground fighting

(01:18:12):
alongside the M twenty three. So when you see the
successes of the M twenty three, you're seeing the success
of Paul Kagame's army. So far in the last month
and a half, you're talking about the deaths of at
least seven thousand people. But again, when you put it
in the larger context, you're talking about millions of people,

(01:18:35):
and it rarely catches a news beat at all. And
what's the saddest part of it is that our African
American politicians and political organizations are not even concerned.

Speaker 25 (01:18:46):
Even though these are literally our blood kin people.

Speaker 7 (01:18:51):
Yeah, I know you've traveled there, and maybe a little
bit in a minute or two, you can walk us
through what you have all been doing on the ground
there morehouse and how other HBCUs can get involved.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Other universities.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Yeah, and the pop culture, you know, the word and
marvel lore is that the Black Panther, in part, was
a gesture toward Patrice La Mumba. And while the precious
metals of Congo are among the most valuable in the world,
the fictional metal of vibranium in Black Panther is like
a symbolic gesture toward the riches of Africa, except the

(01:19:24):
Wakandans refuse to let anybody take it. And of course
we know that Congo, like the rest of Africa, has
been a perpetual victim in this.

Speaker 26 (01:19:32):
Yeah, but you know, I really think I'm sorry, go ahead, brother, No, no, no, no, no,
go right ahead, please. Now, I was going to say
that I really think President Chisak and some people say, oh, well,
he's trying to do it best he can. But it
doesn't help when you try to strike a deal with
the devil again and essentially say oh, we'll give you

(01:19:55):
unfettered access to some mineral rights if you'll help us
to defeat the people that you're paying in the first place.
The United States, the European Union, they've been signing millions,
multiple hundreds of million dollar deals with Rwanda and Uganda
to provide minerals. Rwanda is a leading coal tan exporter

(01:20:20):
but it produces almost no coal tan and it gets
that almost completely from just from the eastern provinces of.

Speaker 25 (01:20:30):
The DRC.

Speaker 26 (01:20:31):
If you look at the area of the d r C,
and I have a map here in front of me,
I wish you could could see what I'm seeing here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
You really have.

Speaker 26 (01:20:44):
A country that is almost twice the size in terms
of just that province of North Kievl. Rwanda is less
than half of almost about half the size of North KIEVL.
But they're claiming that they well, that was once a
part of the Kingdom of Rwanda, and that after the
Berlin Conference eighteen eighty four and eighteen eighty five, which

(01:21:07):
is really are centered around the conflict over how Congo
would be colonized, they're trying to return to some of
those borders.

Speaker 25 (01:21:19):
But it just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 26 (01:21:21):
On one hand, you could say Kagame is trying to
act like Hitler and his attempt to search for more
Liebenshroun in the Suditan lands, but at least there was
some German population there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
There is a tiny.

Speaker 26 (01:21:37):
Vanya Malenge and Vanya Rwanda population in those areas, So
the argument just simply does not hold. And unfortunately, the
Congolese people in the cities and towns where our partners
are our friends and allies and partners, in Goma and Vukavu,
and in places like the Timbo and Bani, they are

(01:21:58):
the ones who are suffering. The mayor, the person who
was the formerly appointed mayor of Goma, is a close
personal friend of mine.

Speaker 25 (01:22:07):
We brought him to Morehouse College in.

Speaker 26 (01:22:10):
Twenty sixteen, and his life essentially has been threatened. They
assassinated that killed the military mayor. He was appointed in
the civilian mayor but has not been able to actually
take the office because of the violence in the area.
So we're really talking about something that's deeply closely touching

(01:22:31):
HBCUs and much the same way that President Prime Minister
Lamomba when he came to the United States, he went
to Howard University, and he went to Howard in search
of faculty and friends and administrators who would and students
who could actually come to Congo and to live and

(01:22:53):
to work to build up the administrative state, because Belgium
essentially didn't do anything to build up the administrative of state,
administrative state, and their years are generation after generation of
exploitation in the Congo from the Congo Free State up
until the point of liberation of independence flag.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Independence, Yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
Let's invite the rest of our panel in the conversation
that I'm Congo do beinga Rinita Sheannon and Mondale Robinson
in the conversation Sam and for those of you who
remember Joe Biden's commencement speech on Malcolm X's birthday last
year twenty twenty four, Sam Livingston was one of two
faculty holding up the flag of Congo behind the President

(01:23:41):
of the United States as he spoke there at Morehouses commencement.
Let's start with you, Mondale, Mindale, any questions for doctor
Sam Livingston at a more House College.

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
Yeah, thank you so much. First of all, brother Livingston,
I'm a huge fan, and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
I think for me, you know, Congo is a has
a special place in my heart, mainly because, like you said,
these are Kim Foe, but also because of America. Like
we we a lot of Americans, I should say, tend
to think that, oh poor these people. But you started
out in a wonderful way by doing this history of
how we eliminated a duly elected leader for this country

(01:24:22):
who was a black man who had ties to you
know who came to America in July, in June and
July twenty seventh, sixty when he couldn't have when he
shouldn't have been because it was dangerous for his life, right,
and it was eisenhowerd has said, I wish he would
wake up in a river full of crocodiles, and CIA
made that happen. But I think for me, it would

(01:24:43):
be great if you could spend some time because I
used to be the political director for this guy who
name was Eddie Deschuma, who is a bio biochemical engineer
here but from Congo, who was going to go back
home to run for president.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
But it was too dangerous, the death threats she was
talking about, too dangerous for his life, his wife's comfort,
so he had to drop out that election.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
But talk to people about not just in Congo, but
specifically how America's and France withdrawal from Africa and also
killing of leaders who had ties to HBCUs led to
these strong men and the destabilization of these countries.

Speaker 25 (01:25:20):
Excellent, Excellent, Now you're absolutely right.

Speaker 26 (01:25:24):
You know there was a clear political choice where there
could have been, you know, after follow or following the
Truman doctrine.

Speaker 25 (01:25:33):
After World War Two, the general.

Speaker 26 (01:25:36):
The attitude, the posture of the United States government was
that it would support any state that was aspiring for democracy,
that was supporting and aspiring for democracy, And what would
become the Democratic Republic of Congo was one of those
states that was politically organizing. Not a million military overthrow,

(01:26:01):
not a violent overthrow of the colonial powers, but a
peaceful political transition, and a clear choice was made.

Speaker 25 (01:26:10):
You know, I really appreciate the history that Susan Williams.

Speaker 26 (01:26:15):
Has done in her book White Malice, but I would
recommend that folks actually also read take a look at
Patrice La Mumba's Congo My Country.

Speaker 25 (01:26:25):
There we Go. You can see that, and it's really interesting.

Speaker 26 (01:26:28):
Because he's writing and he's showing an awareness of the
connections with the diaspora, and he has a couple of
poems and essays that actually evoke this. You know, I
know why you sing the blues almost ethos that you
could that you could hear, and I think we really
haven't picked up on that we have within Kroma because

(01:26:50):
in Chroma spends so much time of course at Lincoln
and in Pennsylvania and in Harlem. You know, studying with
our our deans, doctor John hen Rack Clark and doctor
Carr knows this history way better than I can tell it.

Speaker 25 (01:27:06):
But you know, so we know that for in Kruma.

Speaker 26 (01:27:09):
But I think we also need to pay attention to
how Fannie Lou Hamer and in her developing friendship and
connection with Malcolm X and her setting up of the
Mississippi Freeman Freedom Democratic Party shows.

Speaker 25 (01:27:24):
Us in some ways a political way.

Speaker 26 (01:27:26):
So I know, brother, this is a slight divergence, but
I really think that we need to look back at
that nineteen sixties period and to plot a new course
of political calculus, one where we actually think about setting
up possibly an allied or African Africana Freedom Democratic Party
that is almost like a distinct caucus within.

Speaker 25 (01:27:49):
The American government.

Speaker 26 (01:27:50):
But it's going to be up to us, that is,
the grassroots people in organizations like Friends of the Congo
to help to plot that political of course. And you know,
I think a new direction is possible, but it has
to be one where we point out a clear program.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
You know, we're going to support African Democrats, We're you.

Speaker 26 (01:28:14):
Know, we're going to actually have a new We need
to push for a new almost like I hate to
use the phrase a Marshall Plan for Africa.

Speaker 25 (01:28:22):
Not that the US has to develop the has to develop.

Speaker 26 (01:28:25):
Africa, but it has been raping and pillaging and robbing
for so long that I wonder if there can actually
be justice in Africa unless the United States is forced
to call to account for the crimes that it's enacted
against Congolese people. You know, that's not going to be

(01:28:47):
a political a popular political stance for President Chisa ked
He may not be able to stomach that based upon
how he's gone gravel into president forty seven. But I
still think that we need to push that for that
new direction. So I definitely agree with you. Our political

(01:29:07):
destinies are tied together and in many ways with Malcolm X.
Spent the last year and a half of his life,
as short as that was, he spent it organizing African
people in America around the AAU. Spent much more time
with that organization, even compared to the Muslim Mosque Incorporated.

(01:29:28):
And the country that you hear on Malcolm's lips the
most is the country of Congo and the importance of
Lamomba's vision and what we have today in twenty twenty five,
is a clear contrast between the vision of Lamumba, which
argues for the Pan African unity, and the ethnocentric go
for self vision.

Speaker 25 (01:29:49):
Of Paul Kagami.

Speaker 26 (01:29:51):
And I you know, I hate to put it like
that because it's not Congolese people versus Rwinding people, but
Ruwandi leader is pushing toward a direction where there can
be nothing but another African world war, similar to the
wars that took place the Congo Wars of nineteen ninety

(01:30:11):
six into the early two thousands.

Speaker 25 (01:30:17):
So how do we intercede. I think we need to
look at.

Speaker 26 (01:30:21):
Malcolm's path, look at Andre Bluan and Patrice La Mumba
and so many other Pan Africanists who show the direction
and talk to our brothers and sisters about how transforming
Congo can actually help to transform us politically, ethically and
to redeem our own sense of humanity, our mountuness, our ubuntunism.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Thank you, thank you, Dek.

Speaker 7 (01:30:47):
We're going to go now to sister Anita Shannon, and
while we ask you if you have any questions or
comments for doctor Livingston, I would also like to know
whether you recommend folks watching the doc documentary soundtrack to
kudi tai, which is.

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
But anyway, we'll go ahead, Rinita, and then we fold
all that in.

Speaker 6 (01:31:09):
Doctor Len, thank you for being here.

Speaker 14 (01:31:11):
And this is just a you know, tribute to the
power of black media, just you even coming on to
discuss Congo, because it certainly does not get the level
of media coverage that it deserves. My question for you
is it's well to documented and you've even stated some
of this about the United States role in the conflict
in the past. Can you estimate for us, in your opinion,

(01:31:33):
what is the current level of participation of foreign governments
contributing to this conflict as well as tech companies because
over the last year, we've seen reports on social media
about tech companies contributing to this conflict behind the scenes
arming rebels, and we've also seen, you know that foreign
governments have been a part of this conflict, and this
thing would be naive to the United States. Has has

(01:31:55):
you know, stopped interfering. I think that would be naive,
as soume, So what is your opinion of level participation?

Speaker 26 (01:32:01):
You know, it's really interesting when the United States helped
to assassinate La Mumba. They didn't pull the trigger, but
they provided the intelligence, they provided the political cover, and
they basically told the United Nations under dag Hammer scold
that you are going to help us to isolate this

(01:32:22):
man and to neutralize him. Today, the European Union and
the United States they've signed. So, for example, the EU
signed a four hundred and seventy million dollar contract with
Rwanda to be a primary provider for coal tan and
coltan is in this combinations of mineral cocktail that is

(01:32:46):
in all of our phones, all of our computers, helps
it to stay cool. It is you know, if there's
a vibranium, coltan is it. And so they signed this
deal and they backed off to to to their credit
to some extent, you know, because it just simply looked

(01:33:06):
just horrible that the United States and the European Union
were supporting and probably still are, Paul Kagame. But you
have had enough of a political blowback where they had
to back off of that. So the United States, though,
I think it's a bigger picture or two, and I'm
so glad the way that you posed that, sister, that

(01:33:28):
it's an international picture. The United States supports Israel. Israeli
UH mining magnets, people like Dan Gertler who are involved
in Glencore, the mining company where the United States actually
sanctioned Girtler, but then Joe Biden basically pull pull the

(01:33:51):
sanctions back, you know, in the last year of his administration,
basically said oh, well, maybe we can get him to
give Congo some of the money back, and so they
ceased to actually sanction Dan.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Gertler and Glencore.

Speaker 26 (01:34:11):
That type of half hearted effort is what we see.
So it sends a message to people like Kagam unfortunately
that you know, there's only going to be a slap
on the wrist if you actually go into the Kivus.
And just like Greg was mentioning at Wali Khali, the
d r C finally was able to actually punish M

(01:34:34):
twenty three using their old Soviet big fighter jets. They dropped,
they bombed, and struck these M twenty three positions and
force them to renegotiate or recalculate their position, meaning retreat.
You know, anybody reading this you can see between the
lines they basically have to retreat. But the United States

(01:34:56):
for a long time made it impossible for d r
C to even defend itself because there was an arms
embargo against the country. Not against the rebels, but against
the country. Then when we look at it, there's this position,
and I'm looking at the article an op ed in
the American Enterprise Institute by Michael Rubin basically arguing that

(01:35:19):
America should.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Side with the rebels in the d r C.

Speaker 26 (01:35:23):
Now, the same rebels that have been raping, killing tens
of thousands of civilians, killing children, women, and these are
the rebels that a conservative politicians. Basically this Michael Rubin
is arguing that we should be siding with them, because

(01:35:45):
after all, then that would put us in line with Kagame.
As bad as we think things are in d r
C Congo, the d r C is making progress toward
becoming a nation. That is, that's an indicator on the
potential that it has to actually be a transformative force

(01:36:07):
in Africa in the world. You know, I'm watching some
Conglese news and they have built this huge cultural center
in Kinshasa with the help of China. But what we
really need is a patriotic military where the soldiers are
they're paid.

Speaker 25 (01:36:27):
And not pennies on the dollar, because that's what happens.

Speaker 26 (01:36:30):
You basically had M twenty three were Congolese soldiers, but
Kagan basically is like, oh, I'll pay you ten times
what they're paying you.

Speaker 25 (01:36:38):
And I may be overstating that, but they.

Speaker 26 (01:36:40):
Basically paid them much more, and they decided that they
would side with this rebel incursion, which supposedly was about
taking on and putting down the former Hutu Genisadirs from
the Rwandan genocide. But we know that those Genisadirs are
old now. There's no way that they're still trying to

(01:37:01):
punish these same soldiers whom they probably are in their
sixties and seventies. They are about minerals. They're trying to
take the minerals just the same way they did under Mobutu.
Kagame is the new Mobutu Kagame is the new moist Tshande,
trying to balconize and carve up the Congo to enrich
himself and his small inner circle of people. But I

(01:37:25):
got to just reiterate again, it's not the rwinding people.
It's that regime that that very murderous regime. They assassinated
and jailed their political opponents. So our partners in Congo
and other places, we know that they're very brave and
standing up yes for their national independence.

Speaker 7 (01:37:47):
Sam Let me jump in right quick, just to make
sure we get brother Oma Congo, who Congo is literally
in his name. He's got some direct ties to the
country and to the people. Dot the Oma Congo, the Benga.
Any questions that coments with Sam and maybe as you
then answer and begin to rap, saym you can let
us know how we can all be involved and keep
us aware some things going on.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Please oh Congo florids words.

Speaker 15 (01:38:11):
I really appreciate it. I so appreciate everything you've done
to uplift the Congo. Both my parents are Congolese. My
father was actually a professor of La Momba back in
the day, so from the same clan, and I've done
a lot of work in this country. My father was
in prisoned by Mabutoo and stretched in multiple directions in
an underground prison.

Speaker 16 (01:38:32):
So you know, the story of the Congo has always
been real in my life.

Speaker 15 (01:38:35):
A lot of my poetry and hip hop reflects the
Congo as well. So I've always respected your work and
what you're doing and what you continue to do. Thank
you on behalf of all Congolese people. My question is
taking it back to America.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:38:50):
Doctor Carr was asked you like on the low, like
about your thoughts about the documentary soundtrack to a coold
a Top, but the general idea of how African American
jazz musicians were used to help sell the US agenda
overseason in the Congo and I'm seeing the same thing
happening now seeing people like Kendrick Lamar performing in Kagali.

(01:39:14):
I'm seeing John Legend performing in Kagali. I'm seeing uh
pitchers of Dave Chappelle and and and Kagamet Which is
interesting because when Lamumba came to the United States, one
of the students he was looking to work with was
our young people he was working with was doctor Yvan Ceanos,
Dave Chappelle's Moss.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Right.

Speaker 15 (01:39:30):
So it's just like, what are your thoughts as it
relates to how do organizations like Move Africa and Global
Citizen African Americans are being used entertainers are being used
to prop up Rwanda in a way that is detrimental
to Congo.

Speaker 7 (01:39:45):
Absolutely, an, We're gonna keep with this one type, but
we're going to have you back Oma Congo.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:39:52):
That was we got to have a longer conversation about
this quite frankly, but I want to jump in because
we're gonna have to wrap in a second, but go
ahead saying please.

Speaker 26 (01:40:00):
Okay, no, no, no, I just to I would just amen,
Uh brother, Uh, let me say your name correctly, brother,
Oma Congo, Oma, Congo. My apologies, but you know you're
you're on point. You're on point. I do think that
we need some direction from our grassroots and political organizations

(01:40:25):
and you know, more shows like uh the Roland Martin's
uh Whole the Whole Network, the Blackstar Network to really
be clear that there's a there's a clear political calculus
and it's you know, either we're talking about a unified
and healthy Congo and Africa working for as people. And

(01:40:48):
when we put it in that way and we engage
our brothers and sisters like j Cole, like Kendrick Lamar,
all of whom John Legend just as as you mentioned,
you know, Ran, I've visited Rwan, but I had to
I made a stance that I talked to our Andrew
Young Center that you know, I would have to step
away from being on an advisory board if you can't

(01:41:11):
take a position against the genocide that's taking place in
eastern Congo.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
So wherever we are, we can make that stance and.

Speaker 26 (01:41:19):
If we actually start to push our organizations, whether it's
a fraternal or sorority or a community organization, whatever it is,
but Congo affects all of us. I'm delageechee, so I
know that there's a huge percentage of our our people,
our ancestors, who were brought from Congo and Angola.

Speaker 25 (01:41:43):
So wherever we are, we can take a stance.

Speaker 26 (01:41:45):
So I'm sorry just to give that short answer, but yes, sir,
I wish.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
You had more time, Sam, but we're going to have
you back shortly.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:41:53):
In fact, we're going to do a black table and
maybe a couple on Congo like we were talking about
last week. So we were to thank you for joining
us tonight, for giving us this history lesson. I'm sure
to be clipped and we're gonna show it over and
over again.

Speaker 26 (01:42:05):
And I just say that one name, brother Greg, and
that is Friends Ofthecongo dot org. You know, Friends of
the Congo has done so much work to actually mobilize
the diaspora, and they have a whole section of how
you can take action. Just take a look at Friends

(01:42:25):
Ofthecongo dot org. And I'm proud to be a member
and working in the Atlanta chapter. We're one of the
smaller chapters, but we are very busy as well.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
Yes, sir, well, thank you, Thank you, doctor Sam Liviston,
Morehouse College, friends of the Congo dot Org. And thank
you brother, great, thank you brother. We'll be right back
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And I'm with Roland Martin on Unfuted.

Speaker 7 (01:49:05):
In Tonight's Fit Live when regular segment, we have the
issue of Black women's health. Did you know that approximately
ninety percent of black women will be diagnosed with fibroids
by the age of fifty. That's right, ninety percent. Research
is linked fibroids in certain cancers to the products that

(01:49:27):
Black women often use, particularly in their hair. Holistic health
advocates suggests that detoxin can help eliminate toxins from our
bodies that may contribute to these illnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Joining us now on Roland Martin.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
Unfiltered, our coach Jesse Thompson, the founder of the dtoxanow
dot com, and entrepreneur, radio host and wellness advocate Angela Yee.
They are here to discuss the benefits of an effective detox.
Coach Thompson, maybe we can start with you, sis, walk
us through the threat that we currently see black women

(01:50:04):
in particular facing as it released to these fabroids and
these chemicals, and how your work is working to combat there.

Speaker 6 (01:50:14):
Well, thank you so much, doctor Carr.

Speaker 31 (01:50:15):
You know I can't thank you enough for the work
that you do in advocating for us and when we
talk about black women's health being in a state of emergency.
It's literally that we're battling an epidemic of preventable health
conditions fibroids, as you mentioned, high blood pressure, and fertility,
cancers and more.

Speaker 6 (01:50:34):
And we're doing it with little support.

Speaker 31 (01:50:37):
We're doing it with misdiagnoses and delayed care. And that's
exactly why I created the Detox Now and as someone
I actually lived through these things, I spent the past
decade just working to solve it. And you know, when
it comes to Black women's health being in a state
of emergency, we're really talking about a tree that is
rotten at the root, doctor Carr.

Speaker 6 (01:50:58):
We've discussed it.

Speaker 31 (01:51:00):
You said, you know many times before that up to
ninety percent of Black women that will develop fibroids by
age fifty, and.

Speaker 6 (01:51:07):
That's not normal.

Speaker 19 (01:51:07):
It's a crisis.

Speaker 31 (01:51:09):
As I said, I battle fibers for fourteen years and
dured fifteen surgeries and more. And you're talking about something
that's disproportionately affecting Black women. But why so many times
I've been on the show and I've talked about how
the inordinate chronic stress that we experience due to the trauma,
systemic racism, and health inequities actually is a root issue

(01:51:31):
that causes us to disproportionately affect be affected by it,
and it's also connected to things like fibroids. It's connected
to high blood pressure, which we is the number one
killer black women, as well as cancers and more. But
that systemic racism is actually underscored by what was published
in a twenty twelve study in the American Journal of Epidemology,
which found that Black women who use hair relaxers, as

(01:51:53):
you said, actually had a seventeen percent higher chance of
experiencing uterine fibroids. And actually the hair relaxers have also
been connected to women dealing with cancer, specifically uterine cancer.
Then layer that with a study in twenty twenty two, okay,
that actually from the Journal of Exposure Science and Environmental Epidomology,

(01:52:17):
which found that nearly.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Eighty percent of the beauty and personal.

Speaker 31 (01:52:23):
Care products marketed to black women contained harmful ingredients that
were linked to hormone disruption, reproductive damage, including fibroids and cancer.
So this highlights that disproportionate exposure that Black women face
because guess what, we are being targeted with these toxins.
And then now most recently doctor Carr, this is like

(01:52:43):
the nail that hits the coffin. Consumer Reports just actually
released a study that showed they tested actually the top
ten hair synthetic braiding hair brands and one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
Ten out of ten actually tested positive.

Speaker 31 (01:52:58):
For carcinogens all right, and knocking out of them tested
positive for lead.

Speaker 6 (01:53:04):
Now, that's a.

Speaker 31 (01:53:05):
Huge six point thirteen billion dollar industry.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
And this is the head, the actual head, the hair products, the.

Speaker 31 (01:53:13):
Hair, yes, the synthetic hair brother and guess what, we
make up seventy percent of the consumer base.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
So you see that layering.

Speaker 31 (01:53:23):
It is literally that we have to resist this onslaught
of toxicity. And that's why we're talking about taking back
our power and do the things that we can do
to reclaim our health, Doctor Carr.

Speaker 7 (01:53:35):
Now, for the never absolutely sister, you're a co founder
with Sister Thompson of the Detox Now and you are
not just advocates, but you're really carving a path for
us to really engage and to help really combat this problem.
And to hear you, Jesse talk about this and as
you say, you've talked about it many times here and

(01:53:57):
in many other places. Of course, I'm constantly shocked at
the number of women I know, friends, family who have
had this health challenge and the number who are beginning
now to understand that that is a challenge, who are
now discovering that they have had the challenge for years.
Could you walk us through your work and your contribution

(01:54:19):
here and how this partnership has enabled you to kind
of push forward so that we can address this take
ahead on.

Speaker 32 (01:54:27):
Well, like many black women, I've had my own health
challenges and early on when I first graduated from college,
I was in my early twenties and found out that
I had really high cholesterol, which if you would have
known me back then, I was like one hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
You know.

Speaker 32 (01:54:42):
Sometimes people think that just because you're skinny that makes
you healthy, and I would have had no idea. I
went to the doctor for justin routine check up, and
thank goodness, I did just to go ahead. I think
my health insurance was about to expire or something like that,
so I was like, let me go and just use
this insurance. I just got my level checked for everything,
and the doctor told me that this could be something

(01:55:04):
where I could be on medication for the rest of
my life.

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
Later on, it may not affect me immediately.

Speaker 32 (01:55:08):
But this was something that if I didn't handle it
right now and change my lifestyle or whatever it was
that was going on with me, is something that could
affect me. And so right away I thought more about
what I was eating. I stopped eating fried food as
much as I was. I made sure that I was
more active, working out more. But the amount of women
who I know that have suffered from fibroids and just
think it's normal to have heavy bleeding to say, oh,

(01:55:30):
I can't go to work today, I can't do this.
My period just started and that's not normal, and that's
something that we just write off like, Okay, I just
have heavy periods, or I just get really irritable, I
can't get out of the bed, And it's something that
is so common for us that we just kind of
brush it off and act like it's not a big deal.
And there's so many things that we go to the
doctor and then they put us on birth control because

(01:55:51):
it like this birth control will better, but they don't
know that's making the problem worse. And we're just willing
to do whatever it is that we can do so
we can have a normal life where we can go
out go to work, do whatever we need to do
during the day, and it's been such a hindrance for us.
But I love coach Jesse because I met her at
Congressional Black Caucus and it started off with the conversation

(01:56:12):
of her just talking about the work that she's doing,
what she had went through with her fibroids and saying that,
you know, she had plans.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
To do more.

Speaker 32 (01:56:19):
And I was at the Breakfast Club at that time.
Now I have my own show way up with Angela Yee,
and I actually did her detox and I did a
two week water fast, which was not easy, but it
really helped me so much. I literally had water and
coconut water and the vitamins that she was giving me,
just the supplements for two weeks. And for me, it

(01:56:41):
was a great exercise in finding things to do other
than go out to eat, because I think that's one
of our you know, let's go get drinks, let's go eat,
that's socially, that's what we do. And so for me,
it was a good practice of finding other things to
do and it really did help me reset as far
as like I just felt a lot more clear. I
was able to set some of my eating habits after that.

(01:57:02):
So it's not something where you do this fast and
then you go right back to the things that you
were doing before. It's more like, let's get this started,
let's jump start a lifestyle change.

Speaker 7 (01:57:11):
Absolutely, absolutely, we have a short segment, but I want
to for today. I mean, obviously we're going to have
this conversation going on in ongoing fashion, but I do
want to draw people's attention and thank you Angela for
kind of landing where you did, because it allows us,
Coach Jesse, to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Draw people to the website website the Detox Now.

Speaker 7 (01:57:33):
Angela, you mentioned, of course going through the program and
looking at all the various products there and what they.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Can do for us.

Speaker 7 (01:57:41):
Could you give us a sense, Coach Jesse, of the
Detox Now program and the range of interventions that can
certainly help us, whether it be the books or the
medicines or please.

Speaker 31 (01:57:54):
Well, first of all, you know, Angela said it, well,
it's about resetting your body right, and detox Now it
is our name, but it's also a call to action
inviting people to first detox because any journey of healing
starts with resetting your body through targeted fasting right and
then to go through a phase of balancing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
Right, so we have everything that supports a.

Speaker 31 (01:58:15):
Woman from PMS to menopause, through fibroids, through ENDO, through
fertility issues. We have support system for that. We have
a balance or kitten supplement for people who are either
they had fibriid surgery or they're trying to prevent fibroids,
or they are dealing with heavy cycles and they don't
want to get them. But then also for people who
are just literally trying to target like have a healthy

(01:58:37):
lifestyle and want to change their lifestyle so that they
can prevent these issues or they're having health issues. So
right now we're actually inviting everybody in the solidarity to
join us for what we're calling the Detox Now Challenge,
a seven day reset okay, and they can just go
to the detoxnow dot com that's the detoxnow dot com

(01:58:57):
and join us. We'll be doing it from March thirty
first to April six because it's all about doing it
in community, okay, and if you're looking to you know,
jump start your spring, reset your.

Speaker 6 (01:59:07):
Body, because we have to be the cavalry doctor Carr.

Speaker 31 (01:59:10):
We have to decide we're going to reclaim our health
we just talked about it literally, the way that we're
being poisoned in our society. And let's not even talk
about the foods. We just talked about beauty products. Where
so we're saying, listen, detox your beauty, detox your body
so you can detox your life.

Speaker 6 (01:59:27):
I'm calling that the real BBL. Doctor Carr, come get
the real.

Speaker 7 (01:59:34):
I have a question, and we're not going to go
to the panel for the session this time. We got
to have you come back maybe at the end of
the of the March day first to April sixth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
But I know all the products are detox her, but
can we take them to can Man.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
So tal her.

Speaker 31 (01:59:48):
The detox her kid is actually male and female, but
we wanted the women to know they were the ones
in charge. So we let them know, you know what,
bring them in along with you, no question, no.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Question, what we know.

Speaker 7 (02:00:00):
The women go yes, So that's good to know. Yeah,
you all go to the website and see this detox
Now challenge. Coach Jesse Uh Sister Angela Yee is good
to see you both. March thirty first to April sixth,
So folks got a few days to get your life together.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
The kid just wait to take it again.

Speaker 31 (02:00:19):
I said, we're shipping out daily.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Get your kit, get your kit. I see the detox
her and the power of her there as the detox
her kit.

Speaker 6 (02:00:27):
Okay, your water bottle and your water bottle and your.

Speaker 7 (02:00:31):
Water about no question. Look, get our lives together. We
want to be here on the planet. We know the
black woman is God.

Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
So we all right, and we got to be here
to resist.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
We got to be here, no question.

Speaker 7 (02:00:42):
Coach Jesse Childson and since Angela Lee Yee, thank you
both for joining us here.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
Roland Martin unfilter tonight.

Speaker 7 (02:00:50):
Absolutely absolutely, we'll be back in a moment here, Roland
Martin unfilter.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Change.

Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
Let's talk vote blue no matter how.

Speaker 19 (02:01:05):
We need political imagination more than ever.

Speaker 20 (02:01:07):
And unfortunately some people on the Democratic side really are
discouraging that we're going to dig into.

Speaker 4 (02:01:12):
All of this.

Speaker 6 (02:01:13):
The Democratic Party needs to remember.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Who they are and who they are responsible to.

Speaker 19 (02:01:20):
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 5 (02:01:26):
Hey, what's up.

Speaker 31 (02:01:26):
I'm Devond Frank, I'm doctor Robin Bee, pharmacist and fitness coach,
and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 7 (02:02:23):
Mea love the first black Republican woman elected to Congress,
has passed away at the age.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Of forty nine.

Speaker 7 (02:02:30):
She died on Sunday, surrounded by her family after a
three year battle with glio blastoma, a malignant form of
brain cancer. Love, the daughter of Haitian immigrants, made history
by becoming the first black woman elected to office in
Utah County, where at that time less than one percent
of the population was black. At just twenty eight years old,

(02:02:51):
she became the first black woman to hold an elected
position in Utah County. In addition to her congressional role,
Love served as a city council member and mayor of
Sarasota Springs, Utah. Be Love get at the age of
forty nine. Well, we've reached the end of our couple

(02:03:11):
of hours here, folks have been asking Roland Martin shared publicly.
Of course, he went in for his colonoscopy and he's
encouraging everybody to do that and that would include all
of us. And so just taking this moment to thank
that brother for leading by example. So I'm a congo
Anita Mondale. Good to see you all as usual. Thanks

(02:03:35):
for letting me hang with y'all on this Monday night
Power Panel and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
We'll see everybody.

Speaker 7 (02:03:41):
Thanks again to everybody, Thanks Carol, thanks Henry, thanks to
all the crew there Black Star Network for getting this
ship to port. Tune in to the Black Star Network,
keep it locked in and see everybody tomorrow. Roland Martin unfielded,
as Rolling would say, Holla, black Star Network.

Speaker 5 (02:04:02):
A real revolution there right now. I thank you for
being the voice of black apparances, a moment that we have.
Now we have to keep this going.

Speaker 7 (02:04:10):
The video of phenomenal is between Black Star Network and
Black owned media and something like seeing n.

Speaker 8 (02:04:17):
You can't be black owned media and be scared.

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