Signal security breach fallout, Bondi demands Crockett apology, MAGA judiciary attack,14th amendment

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
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Unfiltered streaming live on the Black Star NETWORKAFO twenty twenty five.
Democratic senators jammed up Republicans today in a Senate hearing
after the Atlantics editor in chief was mistakenly included on

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a signal chat group with top us security officials, including
the Director of National Intelligence, a CIA director, a Secretary
of State, the Vice president, the Secretary of Defense.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And guess what.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Republicans and MAGA have been kissing the as coming up
with all sorts of excuses. But remember what they said
about Hillary Clinton's email server, or we're going to remind
you Donald Trump making excuses. Even his own national security advisor,
the one who added the journalist, what.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Did he do? Try to double down?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
It is the media is the media. It's the media's fault.
And the greatest ass kissers of all Fox News, Sean Handy,
Laura Ingram, Jesse Waters, and especially so called lawyer Will Caine,
they did everything to defend they're former coworker Peter Heck said,

(01:42):
Oh my goodness, And what.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
The hell was DJ Envy talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
On the Breakfast Club when he was like, well, I
don't understand. I mean, isn't he an American? Why would
he do these things? I've got to give Envy in
the breakfast club some history lessons when it comes to
the role of media.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And writing stories in the public interest.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Now turned General Pam Bondi, she said the congusswoman Jasmine Crockett,
she owes English elon Musk and Tesla's shareholders and apology.

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Speaker 1 (02:26):
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We'll chat chat with the founder, Sharland Eye for a
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Speaker 5 (02:58):
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Speaker 3 (02:59):
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Speaker 4 (03:15):
He's bo's piled up question. No, he's rolling.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Donald Trump claim he had the best and the brightest
in his administration, They're gonna be judging people by merit.
He wants smart people, not these DEI hires. How dare you?
But really, I think we can fair to say that
this administration is.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Called dumb and dumber.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Huge, huge blowback today when the Senate held a hearing
that dealt with the issue top intelligence.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Officials and they were all being.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Questioned regarding this blow this big story of the Atlantics
editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg, who was added to a
signal group chat where it's called the Principals Committee. The
heads of the top American national security agencies were discussing
plans to strike Hoothi rebels and Yemen. Now, folks, here

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are the people that were in that chat. We now know,
of course, Jonathan Goldberg, Mike Waltz, National Security Advisor, Vice
President JD. Van, Secretary of Defense Peter heck Seth, Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, the Director of National Intelligence, Telsea Gabbard,
White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, White House Deputy
chief of Staff, Steven Miller's Special envoy to the Middle East,

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Steve Whitkoff, taught that they were.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
All on this group.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Now, how could these were the top intelligence people, but
they're not intelligent enough to know that you shouldn't be
using an encrypted app like Signal. It shouldn't be using
personal devices to be communicating back and forth.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Now a lot of people use Signal. I use Signal.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm in several different group chats, and it's actually very
easy to discover who's in your group chat. You could
just tap the link and you can see who's been added.
So how are these people so smart and bright and
amazing and wonderful? Man, It's a lot that was discussed

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today in that Senate hearing. But first I want to
chat with the ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
He's dealt with national security issues for a very long time, Congressman,
great mix of New York congressman. You know, I recall, Congressmen,
how your Republican colleagues were just beside themselves regarding Hillary

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Clinton's private email servery and what took place in Ben Guzzi,
and how we've got to get to the bottom of this.
They were demanding hearings and things along those lines. Control room,
get pull, please get the clip ready of the Speaker
of the House. Okay, Mike Johnson Louisiana. It was amazing

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to listen to him just you know, I mean, these
things happen, and you know, these guys they just you know,
it's like they're working on it. And I'm sitting here
a concocrary and I'm looking at all of these Republicans
and I'm just looking at just the grace and mercy

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that they just were extending and.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
How it was really no big deal.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And let me know when y'all have the clip, and
he's just Johnson is just sitting here, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Oh, you know, they're just you know, hey, these I
don't really see what the big deal is.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
So here's Johnson saying it's much a two about nothing.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Roll it.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Two questions on the same topic. Have you ever engaged
in messaging app chats with the Trump administration about national
security matters.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
That includes signal whatever all of those things.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
And also, I think you know the story, but I'm
curious if the Biden administration might have been found out
that they were discussing national security attacks on other countries
over signal.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I wonder how you would.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
React to that.

Speaker 9 (07:22):
Well, look, the White House came out with this statement.
I think within the last hour, somebody handed me what
they said. They clarified there were no war plans discussed,
there was no classified material scent on that thread. The
White House counsels looking into the matter, looking into how
this other number was inadvertently added. Obviously that was a
mistake and a serious one. But I just want to say,

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I mean, thanks to President Trump and his strong leadership
and all the everybody on that group chat. The leaders
on that group chat are extraordinary people. I know them
all personally. They're patriots. They're doing a great job for
the country, and that was a successful mission. I mean,
we're taking out who the terror. That's what the American
people expect the administration to do, to restore peace through

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strength and to act decisively. So look, they've acknowledged that
there was an error and they're correct in it. And
I would have asked the same thing of the Biden administration.
I don't think anyone should have lost their job over
that because an errant number, you know, found its way
onto a dialogue between leaders. It's a mistake, but we
got to correct it going forward, and they will.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
The mistake adding the reporter, or was the mistake having
a stake in a chat about these.

Speaker 10 (08:28):
Matters at all.

Speaker 9 (08:29):
I don't look, I don't use signal. I'm not I
don't know all the parameters of it, so it's not
my I'm not in position to determine whether that's appropriate
or not. You have to leave that to others. But
I would just say, obviously, we got to be careful
with these things, and I know that they will. I mean,
Mike Wats is a colleague of mine, former colleague, and
he was born for the job. He has highly qualified.
President said he has total confidence in him, and we

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do as well.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Come on, Congress, that meets you and I both know
that if boy, if this happened on the by Harris,
he would just be foaming at the mouth.

Speaker 11 (09:04):
You know, I was born at night, but not last night.
Here's a guy, you know. And here's what the administration does.

Speaker 12 (09:11):
They lie first, they acknowledge it, then they attack the reporter.
Now they're trying to say that there's not classified information.

Speaker 11 (09:20):
Guess what if.

Speaker 12 (09:22):
It's non classified anmation, release the transcript. We need the transcript.
And it's required by Lord that anything of this nature
should have a transcript proven and Congress should be doing
its oversight responsibility.

Speaker 11 (09:38):
I immediately sent the letter off to.

Speaker 12 (09:40):
Chairman Masks to say, let's get the transcript, let's bring
them in, let's exercise our oversight responsibilities.

Speaker 11 (09:51):
I doubt that he doesn't, he said on one of
the stations.

Speaker 12 (09:54):
I understand that if that's true, he will he will
ask for the transcript.

Speaker 11 (09:59):
Well, I'm going to I go to them tomorrow. I
will sign a letter with them.

Speaker 12 (10:03):
So it's a bipartisan request asking for the production of
the transcript because this is the most ridiculous and horrible
violation of our national security. One of the individuals that
was on the call was in Russia.

Speaker 11 (10:19):
For God's sake, and we know that they know how
to get things.

Speaker 12 (10:23):
Can you imagine if Russia wanted to and they intercepted.

Speaker 11 (10:28):
The danger it put our pilots in. You know, the.

Speaker 12 (10:31):
Jutis have the ability to shoot down planes. So if
they were given advanced knowledge notice, and you know, Russia
and China would have been happy to give them certain
notice so that they could embarrass the United States. This
is a failure of our national security. I believe they

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violated laws on how to handle and utilize classified information.

Speaker 11 (10:57):
Whatever happened to the skiff.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean I mean for people ton't understand because
of the position that you were in and the committees
that you were in, you regularly deal with some of
the most sensitive classified data in the United States. There
is a process, so tell people what a skiff is.

Speaker 12 (11:20):
A skiff is a isolated rule that is covered over
by various material to prevent any interception of anything that's
said within it or that comes out of it, except
for on an extreme secure line.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
So there are no there.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
You can't bring personal devices in, there are no windows,
none of that. So is designed where no one can
penetrate that space so you can have honest conversations about
some of the most sensitive national security data in the
United States.

Speaker 11 (11:58):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (11:59):
You can't take do you have a watch or you
gotta take it off, anything that could transmit any kind
of signal out of it. You cannot have that in
a skiff for the important national security information. And if
you do anything outside of that, it's mishandling that information.

Speaker 11 (12:18):
For example, you know if I took something out.

Speaker 12 (12:20):
Of a skiff that belonged in a skiff, because inside
you gotta sign, you gotta sign who you talk to,
et cetera. So they keep a record of it. They
know who spoke to, who win, they know.

Speaker 11 (12:31):
The subject matter, and it's all contained. They're in and
kept because the.

Speaker 12 (12:34):
Truth of the matter is that kind of conversation becomes
part of the presidential record books for all times, you know,
so that you could always go back and look at it,
like they kept the Kennedy documents for such a period
of time until such time they were declassified. It's a
violation of law to take certain things and use them
on certain devices, then you believe crime was committed.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think that the CIA director who says that when he
got the job, they loaded signal on his work phone.
Everything that I've read says that that can't be allowed,
that you can't load encrypted apps that are general use

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on to work phones.

Speaker 11 (13:21):
It is absolutely insane.

Speaker 12 (13:24):
This is the most incompetent administration with the most unqualified
members in our national security headed by Pete Hexath, who
is basically just a week in TV guy. You're talking
about somebody that is most unqualified, and his presence to

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continue in that role as the Secretary of the Defense
Department is going to continue to be a national security
issue for US.

Speaker 11 (13:58):
And to have.

Speaker 12 (13:59):
Sidecretary Walls who put the reporter on this, and no one,
all those top people, no one looked at the list,
as you indicated, and said, who is this other.

Speaker 11 (14:13):
Person on the on on on the on the on
the line.

Speaker 12 (14:17):
But before that it should never had been on signal
at all.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Period.

Speaker 11 (14:26):
It's a violation of law.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, I just said.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And to sit there in the washed these idiots, and
we're gonna play a little bit where you have Tolci Gabber,
the so called Director of National Intelligence say, oh no,
nothing classified was discussed.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Okay, so nothing classified was discussed. Release it.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh no, those things are under reviewed. They were trying
to have it both ways. They were trying to say
it was classified, but it wasn't. They screwed up. So
all the excuse making they're making worse because they're just lying.

Speaker 12 (15:00):
That's what they do continually, even with you know, you
remember the president on this other thing dealing with immigration,
he said he didn't sign it, and then he admitted
he signed it. They go back and forth. They are
obvious liars and they're trying to prevent. But you know
what is really important now Congress has to do its responsibility.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
You know, for years they were doing a review on.

Speaker 12 (15:22):
Hillary Clinton, and they held her in a room doing
a hearing for hours upont hours.

Speaker 11 (15:29):
They did two three years of Afghanistan, sub.

Speaker 12 (15:33):
Petering records and getting everything that they wanted, and the
Biden administration gave them everything that they wanted. Now, that
clip that you just showed of Speaker Johnson, it is
just a joke and you could tell that he is
just covering up. We need to make sure that the Congress,
and that's why I sent this letter to Chairman mass

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saying that we should have.

Speaker 11 (15:58):
A hearing immediately. We're not going to stop.

Speaker 12 (16:01):
I'm going to insist that there are subpoenas issued. The
American people have the right to know the truth so
that because their national security is at state and at
risk with this gang of incompetence.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I just but it's amazing because again, oh Jim Jordan,
where's he?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Where's comer?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
We're all these so called national security foreign policy hardcore
folks said, who were railing against everything. You cannot convince
me that Secretary that that a Vice President Kamala Harris
and Secretary of State blinking, and Secretary Defense Lloyd Austin.
We're on a signal group chat talking about troop movements,

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saying what action is going to be taking in a
bombing in another country. The Republicans would be like, this
is really no big deal, simple mistake, Let's just keep
it moving.

Speaker 11 (16:59):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (16:59):
You know, they would be asking for them all to
resign or be impeached.

Speaker 11 (17:06):
And I want to get those records.

Speaker 12 (17:07):
So, you know what I think the most appropriate thing
for me to do. I'm going to introduce a piece
of legislation that we want to put on the.

Speaker 11 (17:14):
Floor and ask to have a vote on it.

Speaker 12 (17:18):
Let's see how my colleagues, both Democrats and Republicans. Let's see, really,
I know how the Democrats will vote. Let's see if
the Republicans will vote on a resolution a request of inquiry,
which I have the right, in the privilege to do
as a member of Congress, to have the transcripts released for.

Speaker 11 (17:38):
Review by us.

Speaker 12 (17:40):
We can't just sit back idly and just let them
get away with this and lie. We must get to
the bottom of it. We don't know, and that's one
of the questions that I put in. There's a joint
letter that we put out and sent to the bumbling gang.
We don't know how many other signal chats that they
may have had in the past, or you know, with

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reference to national security interests. We don't know what those
transcripts would indicate, and who they talked to and who
was on those lines, and how many times it's occurred.

Speaker 11 (18:11):
We need a complete.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
And thorough investigation to this occasion in all times. How
long have they had signal on their phones? How many
times have they used it, what did they use it for?
There's so many questions that need to be asking now
because our national intelligence how can our.

Speaker 11 (18:28):
Allies trust us?

Speaker 12 (18:30):
You know, we're talking about trusting them with secrets and
things of that nature. They can't trust us based upon
what the incompetence of what we've seen take place here.

Speaker 11 (18:40):
So we need a.

Speaker 12 (18:41):
Lot of question We have a lot of questions that
we need answers for.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
All Right, Collins and Greg meets Brett. I appreciate it,
Thanks a lot, my pleasure, folks. It was crazy to
today's Senate Intelligence Committee listening to these idiots just offer
excuses and Virginia Senator Mark Warner, who serves as the
vice chair of the committee, Man he grieled, Tulsi Gabbert
and CIA Director of John Ratcliffe on their involvement in

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this signal group chat.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
So this is just too delicious.

Speaker 13 (19:14):
Roll it, Thank you, mister gentleman. I'll be happy to
take your extra thirteen seconds. Okay, to what I address
at the outset. I mean, this was not only sloppy,
not only violated all procedures, but if this information had
gotten out, American lives could have been lost. Whut He's

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had this information could reposition their defensive systems.

Speaker 8 (19:41):
So I want to get a little more information.

Speaker 13 (19:43):
About this, Director Gabbert, did you participate in the group
chat with Secretary of Defense and other Trump senior officials
discussing the m and war plans.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Senator, I don't want to get into this.

Speaker 13 (19:54):
Man, ma'am did you were you on You're not going
to be willing to address, so you're not are you denying?
Matt You answer my question, ma'am you were not TG
on this group chat.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
I'm not going to get into this specific.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
So you refuse to acknowledge whether you were on this group.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
Chat, Senator, I'm not going to get into this.

Speaker 13 (20:13):
Why why are you going to get into the specific?
Is it because it's all classified?

Speaker 14 (20:17):
Because this is currently under review by the National Security.

Speaker 13 (20:20):
Because it's all classified. If it's not classified, share the
text now.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
As the White House previously.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
Is it classified or non classified information?

Speaker 7 (20:29):
On this TEP I can confer at Radcliffe, were you.

Speaker 15 (20:31):
On the group chat, Senator, I was on a signal
messaging group.

Speaker 13 (20:38):
So you were the John Ratcliffe on that chat? I
was thank you, thank you.

Speaker 15 (20:42):
I can I provide some context, Senator to that?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, yeah, come on, Okay, I'm confused. I'm confused.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Radcliffe admits he was on the chat. Garbret wouldn't asked her.
She was on the chat. She's sitting right next to them,
and both were on the chat.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Continue a series of questions.

Speaker 15 (21:09):
But I think it's important because at the outset you
made a couple of comments about signal messaging using encrypted apps.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
So that we're clear.

Speaker 15 (21:17):
One of the first things that happened when I was
confirmed as CIA director was signal was loaded onto my
computer at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers.
One of the things that I was briefed on very early, Senator,
was by the CIA records management folks about the use
of signal as a permissible work use. It is that

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is a practice that preceded the current administration. To the bidennutactor.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
I've got a series of questions.

Speaker 15 (21:47):
I do you if you're making the state point, well,
if you're making.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
The statement the signal is a secure channel.

Speaker 16 (21:54):
No contes.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I answer that it is decryption, so standing.

Speaker 15 (22:00):
It is permissible to use to communicate and coordinate for
work purposes, provided provided Senator that any decisions that are
made are also recorded through formal channels. So those were
procedures that were implemented. My staff implemented those processes, followed
those processes, complied with THEIRS. And finally, just please so

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my communications to be clear in a signal message group
were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.

Speaker 8 (22:36):
We will we will be clear.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, now now phrase it. Phrase it now. I'm confused,
Go to iPad.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
This is from CBS News NSA which he's over warn
of vulnerabilities in signal APP.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
A month before the hoo.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
THEES strike check, the National Security Agency set out an
Operational Security Special bulletin to its employees in February twenty
twenty five warning them of vulnerabilities in using the encrypted
messaging application Signal. According to internal NSSA documents obtained by

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CBS News. The NSSA is an armor of THEFICE Department
and specializes in signal intelligence, which is derived from electronic
transmissions and cybersecurity. That's kind of interesting that he would
then say that in the hearing.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Continue the video, please.

Speaker 13 (23:35):
Because if it's not classified, share the text with the committee, you.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
Know, let me go.

Speaker 13 (23:43):
Come on, Director Gabbett, you are the security executive and
set access guidelines for classified information.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Did you.

Speaker 13 (23:53):
Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military
planning was put out and say, hey, we should be
doing this in a skiff?

Speaker 14 (24:04):
There was no classified material that was shared in that,
So then if there was.

Speaker 13 (24:08):
No classified material, share it with the committee. You can't
have it both ways. These are important jobs. This is
our national security bobbing and weaving and trying to you know,
filibuster your answered. So please answer the question if this
was a rite, Director Gabbert, if this was a rank

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and file intelligence officer who did this kind of careless behavior,
what would you do with them?

Speaker 14 (24:38):
Senator, I'll reiterate that there was no classified material that
was shared in that, and if.

Speaker 13 (24:42):
There's no classified in materials, share and then if there's
no classified materials, then answer that you can't even answer
the question whether you're on the chat. This is strangely familiar,
and I think my colleagues will remember when you couldn't
answer the question.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
Is Edward's no nutraitor.

Speaker 13 (25:00):
Man, I have serious doubts about your anyway, Director Gabbert,
I'm gonna give you this tweeted just eleven days ago,
and I'm quoting you. Any unauthorized release if classified information
is a violation of the law and will be treated
as such.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
So if this information is classified, what are you going
to do?

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Senator? Two points here.

Speaker 14 (25:25):
First of all, there's a difference between inadvertent release versus
careless and sloppy, malicious leaks of classified information. The second
point is there was no classified information that was on the.

Speaker 13 (25:38):
Information Committee should get that information, Director Security Director Ptail.
My time is about out and I'm going to use
my twelve seconds. The chairman game Director Patail, has the
FBI wanted any investigation of.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
This, Senator, I was just about it late lamp Sundy
this morning.

Speaker 16 (25:52):
I don't have an update.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
I would like to get an answer by the end
of the day.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Georgia Sanata, John Olsov. He got in on the action.

Speaker 17 (26:01):
Director direct, Cliff, this was a huge mistake. Correct, No,
a national political no no, No, director asked no question,
and now you'll hold on a national political reporter was

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made privy sensitive information about military operations a foreign.

Speaker 15 (26:30):
Terroristation of adding a.

Speaker 17 (26:32):
Reporter, and that wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a
huge mistake.

Speaker 15 (26:35):
I think they characterized the embarrassment.

Speaker 17 (26:39):
This is utterly unprofessional. There's been no apology, there has
been no recognition of the gravity of this error. And
by the way, we will get the full transcript of
this chain, and your testimony will be measured carefully against
its content. Thank you, mister Chairman.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Can you say perjury?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
He has coloradoson Michael Bennett.

Speaker 18 (27:03):
Know that the President's Middle East advisor was in Moscow
on this thread while you were as director of the CIA,
participating in this in this thread.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Were you aware of that? Are you?

Speaker 18 (27:20):
Are you aware of that today?

Speaker 19 (27:23):
I'm not aware of that.

Speaker 18 (27:24):
This swoppiness, this incompetence, this disrespect for our intelligence agencies
and the personnel who worked for him is entirely unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's an embarrassment.

Speaker 19 (27:39):
Senator.

Speaker 18 (27:39):
You need to do better and the personnel who worked better.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I kind of agree with that, these things just they
continue and they were being hammered over and over and
over again. You had Senator Angus King, who was a
challenged them. You had just numerous Democratic centers down Now
the people who were making who were you know, doing,

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you know, the biggest I mean, who was kissing the
most ass were the Republicans because they were like, well,
you know, it's just really no big deal. I don't
see what the problem is. This thing happened over and
over and over again. Now, now keep in mind, y'all,
keep in mind yesterday when the story dropped Peter hegg Saith,

(28:32):
you know, the.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Fox News guy, the Fox News.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Guy who was you know, the grossly unqualified name Secretary Defense. Well,
he gets off a plane. He's being asked about it.
And now, mind you, while he's talking, the story had
already been confirmed by the White House, had already been
confirmed by the National Security Agency. But what the hell,
you know what, let's just go ahead and blame the media,

(28:56):
and let's blame the media.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Let's hear from Pete.

Speaker 20 (29:00):
Can you share how your information about war plans against
the Hoothis and Yemen was shared with a journalist in
the Atlantic and where those details classified.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
So you're talking about.

Speaker 21 (29:13):
A deceitful and highly discredited so called journalists who's.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
At the outside phrase right there. Okay, so here's a
problem here. It's not like Goldberg just broke into the chat.
He was actually invited into the chat by Mike Waltz,
who is the National Security Advisor.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
God. That's how signal works.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Signal is Signal is an encrypted app. That what it
does it actually establishes a signal from phone to phone,
so it can't be hacked.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay. So that means that if I want.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
To send someone a message on the signal, I have
to legitimately I have to literally send them an invite
from this phone and they have to accept if they
have the app on their phone, they have to actually
accept my invite. That's what they did for Goldberg. So

(30:19):
and like he broke into it, so oh he discredit No, dude,
y'all invite him to the party.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Press play.

Speaker 21 (30:28):
Full and highly discredited so called journalists who's made a
profession of pedaling hoaxes time and time again, to include
the I don't know the hoaxes of Russia, Russia, Russia,
or the fine people on both sides hoax or suckers
and losers hopes.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
This is the guy that pedals in garbage. This is
what he does. I would love to.

Speaker 21 (30:51):
Comment on the Houthi campaign because of the skill and
courage of our troops. I've monitored very closely from the beginning,
and you see, we've been managing four years of deferred
maintenance under the Trump administration. Our troops, our seilers were
getting shot at as targets, our ships couldn't sail through,
and when they did shoot back, it was purely offensively

(31:13):
or at shacks and Yemen. President Trump said no more.
We will re establish de terrence, we will open freedom
of navigation, and we will ultimately decimate the hoothies, which
is exactly what we're doing as we speak. From the beginning,
overwhelmingly vein host.

Speaker 20 (31:30):
Details shared on signal And how did you learn that
a journalists was privy to the targets, the types of
weapons used.

Speaker 21 (31:37):
I've heard I was characterized nobody was texting war plans.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
And that's all I have to say about that.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Thank you, authentic spin spin spin, spin, span line line line,
line line FAFO.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Here's Senner Angus King. Listen to this.

Speaker 22 (32:00):
Secretary headset put into this group text a detailed operation plan,
including targets, the weapons we were going to be using,
attack sequences and timing. And yet you've testified that nothing
in that tech in that chain was classified. Wouldn't that
be classified? What if that had been made public that

(32:22):
morning before the attack took place?

Speaker 14 (32:27):
Senator I can attest to the fact that there were
no classified or intelligence equities that were included in that
chat group at any time, and to.

Speaker 22 (32:36):
The attack sequencing and timing and weapons and targets you
don't consider to should have been classified.

Speaker 14 (32:42):
I defer to the Secretary of Defense the National Security
Council in that question.

Speaker 22 (32:46):
Well, you're the head of you're the head of the
intelligence community. You're supposed to know about classifications. So your
testimony very clearly today is that nothing was in that
set of texts that were classified. I'll follow up on
Senator Widen's question, and if that's the case, please release
that whole tech stream so that the public can have
a view of what actually transpired on this discussion. It's

(33:10):
hard for me to believe that targets and timing and
weapons would not have been classified.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
Well, let me let me move on.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh yeah, They think everybody else stupid. They think everybody
else is just dumb. We don't realize even what's going
on here. They just, oh, just everybody's silly. So so
yesterday when Trump was asked about this, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what
you're talking about. This is this idiot right.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Here to the story the Atlantic that said that some
of your.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Top account officials and aids have been discussed very sense.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Of material from Signal, and it included an Atlantic.

Speaker 23 (33:50):
Report for that.

Speaker 16 (33:51):
What is your response to that?

Speaker 24 (33:52):
In our opinion business, I don't know anything about it.
I'm not a big fan of The Atlantic. It's to
me it's a magazine that's going out of business. I
think it's not much of a magazine. But I know
nothing about it. You're saying that they had.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
What they were using signal to boardate on sets.

Speaker 19 (34:07):
Of materials and having to do with what, having to
do with what? What were they talking about?

Speaker 24 (34:13):
Who did you mean the attack or the hood is well,
it couldn't have been very effective, because the attack was
very effective. I can tell you that I don't know
anything about it. You're telling me about it for the
first time.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Span span span span. I don't know anything about it.
You're just sitting here bullshitting this line. Well, guess what
had a cabin means today? And Trump spoke on it.
So did his national security advisor Mike Wattson what did
he do?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh, it's the media. It's the media. It's the media.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
And I think I'll ask Mike, Mike is here.

Speaker 11 (34:51):
Do you want to respond to that?

Speaker 10 (34:53):
Yes, mister President, you asked about lessons. I think there's
a lot of the lessons. There's a lot of journalists
in this city who have made big as for themselves
making up lies about this president, whether it's the Russia
hoax or making up lies about gold Star families. And
this one in particular, I've never met, don't know, never
communicated with. And we are uh and we are looking

(35:15):
into and reviewing how the heck he got into this room.
But I'll tell you what the world owes President Trump
a favor Underbiden, global.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Shifting, wish lord all this bullishit now.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I'm told y'all, we don't know how he got in y'all,
this is real simple. Okay, you have to invite from
a phone. So either Mike Waltz invited Goldberg into the chat,
or somebody had Waltz's phone and invite it into the chet.
So now you got to ask Mike Waltz, who did

(35:48):
you hang If it wasn't you, who did you hand
your phone to to invote to invite Goldberg? And why
would they invite This ain't that hard? But again, the
ass kissing was plentiful.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
As Waltz continued, the world.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
Owes President Trump a favor. Underbiden, global shifting was shut down,
pen prick attacks months between them are destroyers being fired
upon dozens of times.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
President. That's enough.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Sorry, I can't I can't listen to that bullshit anymore
because see that's just ass kissing. I bet god since
Donald okay, but thank you wonderful dollar.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Just oh my god, it's nice and fluffy. Things are
just great because things are.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Just horrible when Biben's here. No a punk ass, You
ain't shifting the story. You messed up. You messed up,
and y'all just stopped trying to run from this. This
on you player, And see here's y'all, y'all. They always
say at the cover up, the cover up is always
bigger than the actual event, that's actually the case, and

(36:53):
that's what they're doing. And all you see them doing
is just making up stuff and making it worse because
they look like the Keystone cops that they are. They
are pathetic and they're trying to gaslight us. Oh my god,
this journalist, this Russian homes. Yeah, y'all can come up

(37:13):
with everything y'all want to. Y'all messed up, y'all fed
up and found out joining us down as Indiana Congressman
Andre Carson Congressman, I just it is still amazing to
me to watch Republican colleagues, I mean just place their
multiple lips on macas ass.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
And just oh, make excuse after excuse.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And we know if this had happened under Biden Harris,
they would be hauling every person down to Congress having
demanding a special prosecutor hearings, you name it.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
They are hypocrites.

Speaker 25 (37:55):
Absolutely, there would be special orders on the high floor.

Speaker 19 (38:00):
Right now as we speak, calling for removals.

Speaker 25 (38:04):
You know, I join a leader Hakim Jeffries in calling
on Trump to fire hecset. I think the House Democrats
are united. The Secretary of Defense is unqualified. He's putting
our lives at risk. This was an epic failure. There
have to be consequences, you know this for this egregious
mishandling of military operations and plans by the highest national

(38:28):
security officers in this country. I sit on the Intelligence Committee.
We know, especially for black folks, the relationship with the
Intelligence Committee has been tumultuous, to say the least under
Jagger Hoover's disastrous Cointail pro But on the committee, we
deal with classified materials every day. There are procedures put
in place for a reason, and that reason is to

(38:50):
keep American safe. And I have to be clear because
today the American people were gas lit by the President
and other officials. If classified materials are communicated on an unclassified,
unclassified platform, that is absolutely a very is a very

(39:11):
grave security breach.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
And here's a deal, okay, political is even reporting that
you are not to be loading signal and other encrypted
apps on work phones. So here's a question. Were they
using work devices or personal devices? And then we're using
they're using personal device. I mean, here, you got Winkoff,
who's over there in Moscow.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
He's in Moscow.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Everybody knows the Russians focus on hacking the phones.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Every one of y'all know this.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
When y'all travel abroad, y'all are told, frankly, protect your
personal devices because they're trying to hack them.

Speaker 25 (39:49):
In fact, we're told, don't bring your personal device if
you can help it, for.

Speaker 11 (39:54):
This very reason.

Speaker 25 (39:55):
And you know, you know, Roland. There are different ways
to communicate. We have JAYWICKS, which is the Joint Worldwide
Intelligence Community Communication system, and through that intranet system, there
are the Apronet, which is the defense data network. Based
on Apronet technology, we have Cypronet and Nippernet, and these

(40:18):
are secure channels of communications to make these kinds of decisions.
It is amazing, astounding that they would use signal. They
may as well. They may have well started up a
damn Facebook group chat.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Right, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Do you think your Republican colleagues are going to have
the guts to actually call for hearings.

Speaker 25 (40:44):
I'd like to think so, but they're so busy trying
to get Donald Trump and Elon Musk out of their
primaries next year they can't focus.

Speaker 26 (40:51):
Now.

Speaker 25 (40:51):
They claim it's unclassified material, but refuse to share any
messages and information on who and what was on that
chain is very simple. If they don't have anything to hide.
Why are they hiding the information from the American people?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yep, this is real simple, This is real simple, Consman Carson.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I look forward to seeing what happens next.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
But bottom line is, we know Fox News, Conservative Radio Digital,
they would be going eight shit if it just happened
under Biden Harris.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And now it's like, oh much ado about nothing.

Speaker 19 (41:27):
Absolutely, it's awful.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
All right, Congress, but I appreciate it, Thanks a lot,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Now y'all might remember the time when Peter Hexseth was
on Fox News, and remember they had the Clinton server.
It's amazing. Heck Seth had a whole lot to say.
I mean, he was voiciferous in attacking Hillary Clinton when
it came to the email service.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
And how if it's sensitive?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Dad a classified advisor bly to BLI to bli, to
bli to blah and so uh, let's hear the best
of Pete heck satha. Well, she's got two problems here,
two words top secret.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Before it was servers, it was classified.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
It was sort of this amorphous idea that maybe it
was wrong.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Everyone knows what top secret means. I've got I've had
a top secret.

Speaker 27 (42:19):
Clearance, it's big red flashing letters top secret. You know,
when you're you're looking at something that's top secret or
dealing with it.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
In this case, the public will resonate with that.

Speaker 28 (42:26):
Hey, if you're hiding that on a private server, that's
a very real problem and.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
The unlikely criminal charge.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
And okay, all right, y'all. So so that was one.
So uh there's another one regarding uh Hillary Clinton and
her emails, and he was just mat back.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So heck sath roll this one.

Speaker 29 (42:54):
If it were a Republican divulging the secrets of an
a at the very highest level, that person would be
in prison. There would be outrage across the board. But
here they covered up. It's incredible.

Speaker 21 (43:11):
The double standard is incredible.

Speaker 30 (43:12):
Imagine if it was I don't know, Donald Trump, what
the meal would be doing to him right now, eviscerating him.
Or imagine if it was a member of the military,
which we've seen from General Cartwright and General Petraeus. They
still go after these guys for a tiny, tiny fraction
of what she willfully did and betrayed her country in
doing so, supposedly for convenience, but actually so she could
have a different set of standards and hide her conduct

(43:35):
and the conduct of the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, everything else,
so she could stay away from and above the law.
And it turns out foreign services want to know what
our secretary of state thinks, and in this instance, they
did whatever they could to break an unsecure server in
her basement. It tells you everything you need to know.

Speaker 29 (43:51):
Actually, it's actually worse than that, because some of those
emails using that unsecured private server were to and from
the President the United States. Sure, so these feign intelligence
services were reading the emails of President Obama. I don't
believe we've ever seen anything like that before ever, No.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Of course not.

Speaker 30 (44:10):
And potentially in real time. The technology that others can
use once they've got into devices is to listen and
see in real time who knows what they heard and
what they have, and the kind of leverage that that
gives in negotiations or conversations when you know what our
hand is and you can anticipate it or get in
front of it, or you know our sources and methods
because we know aids to Hillary Clinton also removed markings

(44:33):
so that they could send classified, sometimes secret, top secret
information to her personal email, which our enemies were potentially
reading in real time. That has consequences, including lives and
reputation of this great country.

Speaker 29 (44:45):
I'm not surprised that a military guy like yourself is
fired up because these people like you who pay the
price for this kind of that's exactly right, extraordinary stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Now. That's CIA director.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
John Retcliffe used to be a member of Congress and
he was a little perturbed about the Clinton email server
when he was in Congress.

Speaker 15 (45:07):
Mishandling classified information is still a violation of the Espionajact.
It started with Hillary Clinton, it has continued without accountability.
People haven't paid a price for that, and that's one
of the reasons Bill Barr and John Durham and folks
need to really focus on that because there does need
to be accountability there.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
And oh, Mike Waltz is.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
The National Security Advisor, Oh yeah, he also was a
little animated about Clinton too.

Speaker 31 (45:38):
The sitting National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan, the President's National
Security Advisor, sent top secret emails to Hillary Clinton when
he was her deputy chief of staff at the State
Department and got nothing, not even a slap on the
wrist on an unsecured server that we know our enemies
were trying to access top secret and compartment even higher

(46:00):
than top secret. He was sending back and forth, free wheeling,
and yet we see nothing there.

Speaker 32 (46:08):
Boy, It's amazing how animated they are about those issues
and how they matter, and how important they are, and
how critical they are, how it's important for us to
protect classified information. How we must not be sharing these
things in a negative way. I mean, we could just

(46:28):
go on and on and on. I mean it is
just unbelievable listening to them.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
In fact, we fuck go to my pan. I'm gonna
play for you.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
This is Missouri Senator Josh Hawley, who was on Laura
Ingram Show last night on Fox News.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And this is Josh Hawley, who.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Is like mister masculinity and how we must protect the world.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Look how just dismissive he is.

Speaker 19 (46:56):
Senator Hally.

Speaker 33 (46:58):
I'll just read part of this piece in at Last,
the World found out shortly before two pm Eastern on
March fifteenth that the US was bombing Houti targets across Yemen,
and this reporter Jeffrey Goldberg writes that I, however, knew
two hours before the first bombs exploded that the attack
might be coming. The reason I knew this is that again.

(47:18):
This is the article in the Atlantic that Pete Hegseth,
the Secretary of Defense, had texted me and the polemar
plan at eleven forty four am.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
The plan included.

Speaker 33 (47:27):
Precise information about weapons packages, targets, and timing. Senator your
reaction to.

Speaker 34 (47:34):
This, well, I thought what the Secretary of Defense just said,
Laura was an outstanding statement. And listen, I mean, we
don't know how much of this is accurate or not,
but it looks like even if everything the Atlantic reported
is true, as the president's advisers discussing among themselves options
they might recommend to the president, and nobody can deny
the success of what the President is doing here, which

(47:55):
is what Pete Haig Saith just underscored. And this is
what the leftist media is douced to. They can't argue
with the policies which the American people support. They can't
argue with this new demonstration of American strength that is
keeping Americans safe at home and abroad. And so now
we're now we're griping about who's on a text message
and who's not.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I mean, come on, oh, come on, oh, come on,
let me just play my violin.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Doctor Mostava sante I gotta leave former Senior Advisor for
Environmental Justice. The EPA joins us out of DC. Randy Bryant, entrepreneur, author,
never says twenty five phrases you should never ever say
to keep in to keep your job and friends out
of DC. Joe Richardson, the civil rights attorney out of
Los Angeles, glad to have all three of you here. Joe,
y'all have a theme called attorney client privilege. And if

(48:42):
if if if you, if if if the if you
were in the case, and if the jail, the jail,
the prison, if they actually were ease dropping on your
conversation with one of your clients and has that information
onto the prosecution, would there not be problems?

Speaker 19 (49:07):
Yes, there would.

Speaker 23 (49:09):
Something that is obtained under certain circumstances is not going
to be admissible, It's not going to be able to
be used. Is underscores the problem that we have with
here all day long. I mean, we could talk a
little bit about the hypocrisy later, but you know, what
you have is a situation where you've got a journalist
somehow that gets that gets plugged into a conversation that

(49:31):
he doesn't belong in. Second of all, you're doing it
over an encrypted message system. Encrypted there it is, but
you know it's not an approved way of messaging for
national security concerns. And you have the idea of you
know what's being said, all of the back and forth,

(49:55):
and just the the the irony that this is called
the intelligence community because there was very little intelligence used here,
and then they try to throw.

Speaker 19 (50:07):
The journalists under the bus.

Speaker 23 (50:09):
Interesting, and we'll talk more about dj Andy later, but
you know, he actually didn't reveal the details of the logistics,
just the existence of the conversation. So there's this irony
that somehow people are mad at this journalist for talking
about the examples.

Speaker 19 (50:29):
Of the incompetence.

Speaker 23 (50:30):
But the but the secret is already out of the bag,
the existence of the incompetence, the issues that we have here, which,
by the way, as you've talked to talked about at length,
if the Democrats had done this, they'd be calling for
this guy's head, whoever it was, getting rid of the
Secretary of Defense, getting rid of the Joint Chairman of
the Joint Chiefs, whoever was other than Jesus, and maybe

(50:52):
Jesus too. You know, they would be turning themselves inside out.
This is a blunder. It's a major blunder. And to
your point, they should have just owned it, because the
fact of the matter is, to be honest with you,
you've got millions and millions of people who say incorrectly,
but they say, nonetheless, it has nothing to do with
the cost of tea in China because I still can't

(51:12):
pay for gas. So they should have owned it and
moved on because right now, at this moment, we don't
have the numbers to do much about it other than
how at the moon, unless, of course, we use our
leverage in other areas, which we don't seem to be doing.

Speaker 19 (51:27):
We can talk about that some other time as well.
So they should have owned it.

Speaker 23 (51:30):
And they have the keystone cop things you're saying that
you're talking about, as you stated, and so the incompetence,
it's embarrassing, it's terrible. It affects national security. But the
idea that we have folks running point here that don't
know how to do what they need to do is
something that's been out for a while and this is

(51:52):
just proof of it.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
It's actually just it's comedy Central. Every minute mustafa just
to watch the reaction from Republicans, the right and MAGA supporters.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean, they are just.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I mean, from the Charlie Kirks of the world to
Jesse Waters and Fox News. We're gonna deal in a
second with those yahoos and Fox News because their ass
kissing was just over the top.

Speaker 35 (52:19):
I mean, I see the humor, but there's also a
lot of dangerous behavior inside of the humor. So you know,
sometimes when we're dealing with these very damaging things, you know,
we have to infuse humor to help people want to
understand and to also get them to open up their minds.

Speaker 16 (52:37):
But you know, this is very significant what they did.

Speaker 35 (52:40):
Their intelligence protocols that are in place for a reason,
and you know, as Joe had shared earlier, when we
take a look at Signals, Signal is not an improved
top secret government media communications platform, just like TikTok isn't,
so you know, you could have utilized the exact same thing,
because neither one of them are built for the conversations

(53:04):
that were happening there. You know, I appreciate our dear brother,
Congressman Carson for coming on and sharing some things because
he talked about CIPRONET, he talked about Jaywix. Those are
approved processes and tools for the sharing of information, and
lots of times, you know, folks see these conversations, they
don't understand when we're talking about top secure excuse me,

(53:26):
top secret or secret or confidential, those of various levels
that you have to go through background checks and you
have to go through training to be able to move
to those higher levels. Not sure with this administration if
that process is still in place.

Speaker 36 (53:42):
And you know, when we talk about these tools like Signal,
and you know, I talked to a friend who's an
expert in this space, and he said, just to remind
people that you know, these types of apps and.

Speaker 35 (53:53):
Tools are only as secure as the devices and behaviors
of the people using it. That part is critically important
because when we're talking about the behaviors of the people
using it, that means are you serious about keeping our
national security and the information that is critical for decision making,

(54:14):
you know, in place and having the protocols around them,
because you know, we've got classified phones for conversations, we
have secure video conferencing, that's there. You talked a little
bit about the skiffs and people supposed to be utilizing those,
but when you don't, and then sometimes people get safe,
they feel like they're safe Roland, and we should just
let people know.

Speaker 16 (54:33):
Even though Signal is a very secure app.

Speaker 35 (54:36):
And I am not, you know, one of the world's
top experts in cybersecurity, but I also understand, because I've
been trained on various things, that there are apps or
you know, there's spyware that's out there that can actually,
you know, do some very insidious things in relationship to
the information that's being shared. So I say that for folks,

(54:58):
and just understanding this seriousness of this moment, and the
seriousness of this moment as I close, is that there
usually can be legal consequences when you do not follow
those protocols. You can be terminated, your clearance can be
taken away from you. There could be criminal prosecutions of
its serious enough, fines and imprisonment.

Speaker 16 (55:17):
Nobody's talking about those things.

Speaker 35 (55:19):
But this is an opportunity for this administration to become
much more serious, to take responsibility and to say we're
going to get to the bottom of We're going to
make sure that we feel whatever the gaps are so
that we can keep the country safe. And if they're
not willing to do that, then there are a number
of other players that are out there that are always looking.

Speaker 16 (55:38):
For opportunities to garner information. Information is power.

Speaker 35 (55:42):
We often say that in the international concept and relationship
to some of these things that are happening in the
intelligence world. Everything is about information, and that's why we
have to keep it safe. So I understand people keeping
the lights on, putting food on the table, but this
is very significant.

Speaker 16 (56:00):
It was significant when they had the conversations around Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 35 (56:03):
It was significant when they talked about Joe Biden handling
classified documents. It was significant when we had the Edward
Snowden intelligence leaks that were going on. So we have
to take this moment as equally as important and make
sure that we're doing what's necessary to keep our country
safe and our information safe.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Well, the thing here, Randy, is that.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
The federal government has warned that Russia and Chinese hackers
I've been trying to use phishing efforts in order to
access signal apps. Also, Russia has been able to hack
these signal communications there in Ukraine, so it's not like
it can't be done. So we don't know what these
folks have done, how they possibly have been compromised and

(56:48):
clearly what we have here sloppy and mature, unprofessional actions.
And these are supposed to be people operating at the
highest levels. I mean, Peter Hegseth was discussing a kill
list in this text, in this text conversation, and so
who do people think that fooled?

Speaker 4 (57:09):
You know, there's a being going around that says the
only qualified person that Trump ever hired to do the
job with Stormy Daniels. And that's funny at first, but
it really it's starting to seem quite serious because here
you do have the people that are at supposed to
be at the highest of intelligence, that are responsible for
keeping us safe, and they are looking like some three

(57:31):
Stoogs and Keystone cops. And it's embarrassing. You know, I
you know, you know, I like to travel. I travel extensively,
and when I travel with my friends who work for
the government at much lower levels than the people that
we're talking about right now, they are not allowed to
even bring their government issued computer because of safety and

(57:52):
security issues. And these are people who do not have
top secret information. There's no way that they could be.
You have one official going to Russia and using an
app that has not been improved by the government. There
is a reason that they have situations set up for
people to have these sorts of conversations where they are

(58:14):
absolutely one thousand percent safe. We cannot take a risk
like this. And when people say, what is the big deal?
How do you think that other countries are looking at
us right now? We look vulnerable, we look like a target,
We look ridiculous. I'm saying the conversations that I have

(58:35):
with my friends, or I'm even thinking within my family conversations.
We ensure certain things are in place that we've hung
out from somebody else. We've cleared the line. Hold on, girl,
let me call you back, because we don't want to
get caught talking about somebody and they're still.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
On the line.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
We clear that three way. In that four way, there's
steps that we take just for simple everyday use. And
you're telling me that the top officials of the government
who are talking about war plans, because if they were not,
they would produce the evidence what they are refusing to
do are using an app that I actually have on
my own phone, and we as Americans are supposed to

(59:14):
feel secure about it. And then we're supposed to trust
them as we're watching them lie to our faces. I
agree with everyone one thousand percent. I would at least
feel secure if they would tell the truth and say,
we made a mistake.

Speaker 19 (59:29):
This is what we're.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Putting in place going forward to ensure that we keep
the American people safe. But they're not doing that because
they are about protecting each other and not about the
American people. It struck me in the beginning when it
was said, oh, they're patriots. If you're on the right team,

(59:52):
that excuses any behavior that you do. If you're on
the right team, if you're a patriot, if you're accepted
into our own boys club, you can make any mistake
and we will excuse it, even if it puts the
security of our nation at risk. And that is scary.
We're absolutely vulnerable and everybody should be alarmed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I just mean people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I mean again, they took the slam DEI will talk
about merit and how it's amazing and smart, and heg says,
with the Harvard and Princeton sound pretty dumb to me.
All Right, y'all hold type one second, because we're not done.
Who has been defending these people more biggers than Donald Trump?

(01:00:36):
Of course, his side piece Fox News. Wait, till we
show y'all some of what they've been saying. And I've
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Speaker 11 (01:02:05):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
My name is Luck KERRT and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered,
deep into it like pasteurized milk without the two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Were getting deep. You aren't turning that shit off. We're
doing an interview with mother.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Buther sever time you looked up Fox News, they have
got They had lots to say about Biden Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
They were constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Talking about they were too old, incompetent, slow, all the
phrases that they used. But it's amazing how their tune
just changes when the incompetence of Donald Trump in this
magamnions is exposed. This whole signal conversation shows you exactly
where these idiots stand. So listen to Sean No. First

(01:02:53):
of all, we're gonna go to Jesse B.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Waters.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
This is, I mean, the resident Fox News idiot, Jesse B. Waters,
to his brilliant analysis.

Speaker 37 (01:03:03):
Did you ever try to start a group text you're
adding people and you accidentally add the wrong person. All
of a sudden, your aunt Mary knows all your raunchy plans.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
For the bachelor party.

Speaker 37 (01:03:12):
Well, that kind of happened today with the Trump administration.
Mike Wallas was putting together a group chat on Signal,
an encrypted app, with the Secretary of Defense, the VP,
and a bunch of other national security officials to collaborate
on whether to strike Iranian proxies in Yemen who keep
firing missiles and shutting down shipping. Well, National Security Advisor
Mike Waltz accidentally added a reporter to the group text,

(01:03:35):
and not a good reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic,
one of the biggest folks artists around. Well, he heard
some things he probably shouldn't have, but could have been
a wee bit of a security breach. But it's not
like they home brewed a server and then bleached it
or kept classified documents in their garages next to their corvette.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I'm sure it won't happen again. Hmm, A wee bit
of a security breach? Really okay? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Here is the biggest Trump ass kisser of them all,
Sean Hennity.

Speaker 38 (01:04:10):
Instead, they are obsessed with an accidentally leaked text chain
from Trump cabinet officials who are debating the merits of
military strikes in Yemen. So the very people that covered
up their president's severe cognitive decline light about wide open borders,
both of which are clear and present dangerous to our country,
now want you to believe that they actually give a

(01:04:32):
damn and care about national security. More feane phony outrage.
This is now the scandal of the week that you
will see NonStop twenty four to seven, that nobody will
care about.

Speaker 11 (01:04:44):
Now.

Speaker 38 (01:04:44):
By the way, it's not only a smear, but it's waged.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
By the Left.

Speaker 38 (01:04:48):
That's all they've got and their bingo cards.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So feine phony outrage. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Is this the same network that found themselves in a
hissy fit because President Barack Obama or Tan.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Suit Really, really, y'all will let you somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Okay, the dumbest group of the ball has to be
Fox and Friends. Take your pick, the weekday or the
weekend version.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
So Lawrence B.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Jones, the brother, he's on there, and he has some
thoughts about it, and he ate the bright his ball
in the dark room. Either just dumb stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Somebody's going to give.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Y'all just a sample of just the stupid stuff they
had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Just roll it.

Speaker 39 (01:05:30):
The White House says President Trump is standing by his
team as the National Security Council confirms that the message
thread reported appears to be authentic. They are now investigating
how the journalist's number was added to that chain.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
Guys, Well, thank you.

Speaker 40 (01:05:43):
Very much, Broke Well. I read the article and it
says that somebody identifying themselves as Mike Waltz added that person.
I was talking to somebody in federal law enforcement last
night and they said that, just based on having read
the Atlantic article, what was revealed was classified and top secret.
And this person has been down in DC for many years,

(01:06:06):
has never heard of government officials at that level using
signal for stuff like that. And you know, Kaylee, having
been in the White House, there are certain top secret
dismos and venues that they use, and you don't use
a commercial app that can be hacked.

Speaker 41 (01:06:23):
Yeah, there's a channel that you're supposed to stay on
with that kind of information. Now, I heard someone on
CNN suggesting maybe there were signal apps added to government
devices somehow. All that remains to be seen, but I
imagine the White House press shop would have gotten that
information out by now if that were the case. Look,
this was an obvious mistake obviously, I will say. You know,
as my dad says, when you eat cro you got

(01:06:44):
to eat it hot, and the National Security Council ate
it while it was hot. They did not try to
deny this. They came out they said, this appears to
be authentic. Good on them. The detail I'm wondering about
is the Jeffrey Goldberg detail about war plans. He says
there were operational details, but he did not want to
share them because it would be compromising. I don't trust
Jeffrey Goldberg. The last time I sat on the couch

(01:07:05):
with you guys, he had the ridiculous story about Glullian.
He had the seers and losers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
You don't trust Jeffrey Goldberg.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
But clearly somebody trusted Jeffrey Goldberg to add him to
a group chat. And how about we don't trust Marco Rubio,
we don't trust Pete Higsath, we don't trust Mike Waltz,
we don't trust trust John Rackliffe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Okay, a little bit more of their stupidit they keep
going or plans.

Speaker 41 (01:07:31):
He says there were operational details, but he did not
want to share them because it would be compromising. I
don't trust Jeffrey Goldberg. The last time I sat on
the couch with you guys, he had the ridiculous story
about Glullian. He had the suckers and losers. He is
not a credible reporter. And how does this most horrific
of all reporters in Washington, DC get added to your

(01:07:51):
text chain. There are a lot of questions.

Speaker 42 (01:07:53):
So that's literally my only question. As it relates to
government officials using signal, they all use it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
They're not supposed to, but they use it. But not
because they use it.

Speaker 42 (01:08:06):
Uh CIA, every single intelligence agency use the signal. I
know that for a fact. I talk to them on
the signal. They're sources of mind. They all use signal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
UH.

Speaker 42 (01:08:16):
It is the best way and the most secure way
to get information out UH. And that's why a lot
of journals who use it as well. They don't want it,
they're not supposed to do it, but they do it anyway.
I don't understand how he got on this chain. Especially
when you add someone to signal, there's an alert that
shows you that someone else if you don't have their contact,

(01:08:37):
there's that there's someone that's new that's been adding to it.
While all of those people that are on that chain
didn't say who is this person that's on the chain
that wasn't saved under contact? I don't know. They need
to get to the bottom of that. Also, I'm curious
whoever did end up adding him. Why are you communicating
with this guy? Yeah, you should not be communicating with that.

(01:08:58):
This is not the person to be community kating with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Right, Okay, who the fuckers communicate with you? Why would
they communicate with you? You're a hack? Okay, you're a joke. No,
you're not a real journalist, Lawrence, you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
You just sat there and said, oh, I communicate with
these people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
They shouldn't know, Lawrence. That's a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
People can Actually, you can be in government and communicate
on the signal. The law says that if you're doing
official business, talking to you ain't official, So you have
no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
So I wasting any airtime on Lawrence Jones is truly
a waste of time. But the biggest dummy has got
to be Will Caine. I mean, first of all, this
is somethbody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Listen, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I used to be debate Will Kine on CNN. I mean,
you know, Will everybody knows the best thing about. Well,
you got a nice ha the hair.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
But it ain't it ain't that ain't strong. It's not okay,
it's not okay. Real weak, real weak. This is what
this food had to say yesterday. Now, I told y'all,
if y'all want to, if y'all, if you think Sean
handykiss has if you think that Jesse Waters kiss hass

(01:10:23):
Oh no, can't nobody at Fox News on this topic
talk the ass kissing of Will Kine. This is what
he had to set y'all when this story broke yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Oh by god, just roll it all right.

Speaker 28 (01:10:39):
Onto another big story today out of the Atlantic, where
their editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg is reported that he
was accidentally sent sensitive information about military strikes in Yeomen.
The messages come from eighteen national security officials. They were
sent through the encryption app Signal, and there are indications
that they appear to be authentic. I think there are

(01:11:00):
two takeaways from this story as of what we know today. One,
it is incredibly concerning that sensitive information would be sent
with a journalist included in the thread. We can speculate
and there is reasonable fair expectation that somebody like Jeffrey
Goldberg was accidentally included under his initials JG. When who
was meant to be included was a trade chief Jamison Greer.

(01:11:21):
But if it was accidental, and we'll wait to see
if this was accidental, it is incredibly concerning that this
information would be shared over the signal app with a
journalist included.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
But the bigger takeaway.

Speaker 28 (01:11:31):
For me is it's an insight, a transparent insight into
the thought process and dialogue of our national leaders. If
you look at the actual content of what was reported,
if you look how they discuss potential strikes on and Yemen,
what you will see is dialogue between Vice President JD. Van,
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, National Security Advisor Mike Waltz,

(01:11:52):
Stephen Miller, Tulci Gabbard, and many more in a very collaborative, open,
honest based attempt to come to the right decision after
years of secrecy and incompetence. If you read the content
of these messages, I think you'll come away proud that
these are the leaders making these decisions in America.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That's what your dumb ass got of that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Oh my god, how look how collaborative, how they how
they communicated back and forth. Yeah, Will k is supposed
to be a lawyer, supposed to be at no time
did he ever even bring up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Ship might be illegal?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Just oh my god, look how collaborative and how they
communicated they shared. Well, I'm sorry, was this a therapy session?
Was this a masage counseling session?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
But what what? What the hell is he describing? Now
listen to this foold today, this is here we go.

Speaker 28 (01:13:06):
But that was not a serious mistake putting American lives
into jeopardy. And I think that your side is doing
this to score political points, the first political points they've
been able to accomplish in two months.

Speaker 8 (01:13:18):
Well, what we're.

Speaker 27 (01:13:19):
Talking about here, And I've spent a decade now watching
how our intelligence community communicates with the warfighter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
So I am not going to listen to you.

Speaker 27 (01:13:28):
Tell me that this is about a partisan advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
It is a mistake, and yes.

Speaker 27 (01:13:32):
It's a very serious mistake, because if you make a
mistake in social security and Grandma doesn't get a phone
call through, that's bad. But there is not zero risk
that our young men and women in uniform, the ones
who flew those f thirty fives and f eighteens.

Speaker 28 (01:13:45):
How is an American life put in who you will find, Congressman,
how because you've made a claim.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Tell me how an American life is put into.

Speaker 27 (01:13:51):
Jeopardy because in an insecure channel, in what was acknowledged
as a mistake before, whether it was a day or
two hours or five hours in signal chat that we note,
do you want to answer to your question in a
signal chat that we know that the Russians could intercept
they might have told the Jutis in an hour and
in half an hour they're moving their anti aircraft stuff around.

(01:14:13):
It is by the grace of God that we don't
have dead pilots or sunken ships right now. And I
will tell you whether it's a big mistake or a
small mistake to then go and attack Jeffrey Goldberg, without
whom we wouldn't even know about this mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
It just it's got to be including jeff was the mistake.

Speaker 28 (01:14:32):
Including Jeffrey Goldberg was the mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
And officer on your.

Speaker 27 (01:14:38):
Show right now will get any military officer, any military
officer serving right now, any intelligence officer, and they will
tell you that Jeffrey Goldberg was the cherry on top
of using an insecure channel in advance to discuss military plans.

Speaker 28 (01:14:53):
I'm not going to argue it's not going to argue.
I'm not going to argue you that no mistake was made,
and I'm not going to argue that Signal is the
perfectly appropriate app to have this conversation. What I am
going to argue with you is that you are hyperbolically
taking this over the top. Yes, absolutely, for partisan points
in order to score in the first time in two months.

(01:15:16):
Don't do it on signal. I agree, don't do it
on signal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Well, nobody's life.

Speaker 27 (01:15:20):
You know here the CIA direct you are the one
who is making this into a partisan issue, and we
are talking about the lives of our young men and women,
and it makes me want to throw up to hear
you turn this into a part is an issue when
we are talking about the lives of our airmen and
marines and sailors.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
You just need to stop this.

Speaker 27 (01:15:38):
You cannot run a segment cheering medal of honor winners,
many of whom win posthumously. And you know what I
can on a segment on this mistake is about part
as an advantage.

Speaker 28 (01:15:48):
It is, and I can run that segment, and I'm
doing with you right now, and I'll tell you something else.
This is an administration that watches thirteen Marines died or
spilled secrets to the Chinese Communist Party, or did any
other things that we just watched. It's hard to take
you seeiously, or that Jeffrey Goldberg is a hero in
this story.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
When it's actually hard to take you seriously, Will Kane.
And that's why you've truly earned this award from those
of us here at Roland Martin, Unfiltered and the Blackstar Network.

Speaker 43 (01:16:18):
The Golden Trump Maga Asked Kissing a War, honoring a
lifetime of the exceptional flattery and unwavering dedication.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
To ask Kissing.

Speaker 43 (01:16:27):
Excellence awarded to Fox news'es Willkane for on paralleled commitment
to the fine art of sycophancy. This prestigious honor recognizes
those who have bent over backward, perfected the art of
empty praise, and elevated brown nosing to an Olympic level sport.
From his relentless nodding in agreement to his uncanny ability

(01:16:49):
to complement even the most questionable decisions, Will Kine has
demonstrated an unwavering devotion to the craft of kissing ass.
His lips have graced the as of twice impeached, criminally
convicted felon in chief Don the Contrump with such finesse
that even history itself must pause and admiration. May this
golden trump Maga ask kissing a ward serve as a

(01:17:12):
symbol of Wolcine's lifelong achievement of puckering up and kissing
the ass of a wannabe dictator and ensuring his legacy
of loyalty remains forever unchecked.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Congratulations, Will you truly earned that award? Let me now
go to my panel your thoughts, Randy.

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
Congratulations to him.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Very well earned, very well earned. He has I think
worked hard for it. His lips should be chapped by
all the ass kissing he's done. And I hope that
all the ask cass and he's done gets him exactly
what he wants in life and what he deserves.

Speaker 35 (01:17:56):
Gustafa, you know, James Paulwad said, I can't believe what
you say because I see what you do. There just
needs to be some real parody and how we are
approaching national security issues, intelligence issues, it's significant, whether it's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Small or large.

Speaker 16 (01:18:14):
There can be huge impacts.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
So you know, I just want to see folks get serious.

Speaker 16 (01:18:19):
I want to see folks also fix whatever the gaps are.

Speaker 35 (01:18:22):
And you know, folks are going to live their lives
and both in front of the camera and behind the camera,
how they do.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Folks just need to be able to understand the.

Speaker 35 (01:18:32):
Biases that people often bring and how those biases often
don't health the everyday person to understand what's really playing out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
See, Joe, I can't take people like Will Kine seriously
or Sean Hannity or Jesse Waters or any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
All right, these are the people. I mean, they.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Went at nauseum about Hillary Clinton and her emails, and
now it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Like, oh, this is just a mistake. It's just a
simple mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
And no, I can't take a seriously and they should
be called out because see they love they love talking
about everybody else. They love trash everybody else. But no,
they need they have earned this. Will has earned this
because that asked us in yesterday and being well, I'm
not going to talk about that. I'm not going to
talk about whether they should have.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Been a signal. Well that's the whole damn point. So
I love it. How I'm not gonna talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
What the thing is, so I'm gonna focus on something
that ain't the thing.

Speaker 19 (01:19:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's the hypocrisy.

Speaker 23 (01:19:29):
It's crazy, but there is a Republican magia echo chamber
that they filter everything through, and we've gotten to the
place where people look at the result that they're looking
for and then just decide to just regard facts if
they're not consistent with the result. And I think that's

(01:19:50):
why we have to press on this and continue to
keep the foot on the cast related to these issues,
because underlying all of this, I think we're going to
be able to continue to connect the dots and keep
bringing it back home to the notion that hey, these
folks lie, they don't tell the truth, and these folks
help them to not tell the truth, and they help
to cover up the truth because when the truth does

(01:20:14):
not benefit them, And so we have to continue to
trudge along that road and help people.

Speaker 19 (01:20:20):
Understand why this is important.

Speaker 23 (01:20:23):
If we don't help folks understand why this is important,
then frankly, it's a loss because at the end of
the day, truth is important, facts are important, and hypocrisy
has to be pointed out and it has to be
emphasized because it's this same hypocrisy that's leading to things
that are happening from a policy standpoint that have the

(01:20:44):
potential to negatively affect millions and millions of Americans. And
we have to be able to simply and concisely connect
the dots.

Speaker 19 (01:20:53):
And this is part of that discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
It is, it really is. You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
I'm sorry that video was so delicious and so delightful
that I must see it again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
So here we go.

Speaker 43 (01:21:08):
The Golden Trump Maga Asked Kissing a War, honoring a
lifetime of the exceptional flattery and unwavering dedication to ask
Kissing Excellence awarded to Fox News's Will Cane for on
paralleled commitment to the fine art of sycophancy. This prestigious
honor recognizes those who have bent over backward, perfected the

(01:21:30):
art of empty praise, and elevated brown nosing to an
Olympic level sport. From his relentless nodding in agreement to
his uncanny ability to complement even the most questionable decisions,
Will Caine has demonstrated an unwavering devotion to the craft
of kissing asks. His lips have graced the ass of
twice in Peach criminally convicted felon in chief Don the

(01:21:53):
contrump with such finesse that even history itself must pause
and admiration. May this golden trump maga as kissing a
Ward served as a symbol of wil Kaine's lifelong achievement
of puckering up and kissing the ass of a wannabe
dictator and ensuring his legacy of loyalty remains forever unchecked.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
You know what, that might actually end up becoming an
Award of the Week because it's gonna be a whole
lot of that over the next four years. Going to
a break, we come back, turns you on Pam Bondi.
I'm confused. Is she a Fox News personality or is
she the Attorney General? Or is she the spokeswoman for
Elon Musk and Tesla Now she's warning Texas Congressman Jasmine

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Trava turnsenter Pam Bondi.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
She's really an idiot, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
She issued a warning to Texas congress Woman Jasmine Crockett
for her comments about Elon Musk, and now she is
demanding the Crockett apologized to the South African apartheid billionaire
and the Tesla shareholders listen to this fool.

Speaker 38 (01:26:31):
As authorities now work to stop the violence and while
the FBI is working to end the violence against Tesla. Well,
some Democrats and members of the state run legacy media
mob appear to be celebrating the company and Elon Musk's woes,
including the lefts new rising star Jasmine Crockett, who actually
said that she wished for Elon Musk to quote be

(01:26:52):
taken down. Take a look again at her vile comments
and am truly.

Speaker 47 (01:26:57):
Here for very selfish reasons, starting with on March twenty ninth,
It's my birthday and all I want to see happen
on my birthday is for Elon to be taken down.

Speaker 38 (01:27:08):
Yes, now, these comments did prompt a strong warning from
the Attorney General Pam Bondy and literally said carefully, has
Jasmine Crockett learned anything, Oh, you wouldn't know it based
on what you said about Texas Senator Ted Cruz over
the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Take a look.

Speaker 11 (01:27:25):
I like it all right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I don't need to hear enough of these these dumb assts.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
I mean, these are true idiots, Joe, They're true idiots.
And now you want to apologize the shareholders. Let's just
be real clear, Pam BONDI. Donald Trump is the time administration.
They all work for Elon Musk. They work for him,
they represent him, they do his bidding. They're trying to

(01:27:49):
sell his cars, they're trying to sell his stock. How
reluckily the Commerce Secretary was on by Tesla stock. They
are all about trying to help him. This is not
about him help being the country, contribute to the country. No,
this is about helping him make more billions.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Period.

Speaker 23 (01:28:07):
Yeah, it is about helping him make more billions. And
you need to look no further than his own words
that basically says that the greatest mistake of Western civilization
is empty and so you know, so you know they're
supposed to, you know, on the government dime as it were,

(01:28:28):
helped to blow him up, blow up his stock value
while people suffer, et cetera.

Speaker 19 (01:28:36):
So you know, Jasmine Crockett is not their problem.

Speaker 23 (01:28:42):
The problem is the truth that Jasmine Crockett actually tells.
So what they can do is just make sure that
it's not the truth, so that Jasmine Crockett doesn't have
that story to tell.

Speaker 19 (01:28:56):
Jasmine Crockett is not a problem.

Speaker 23 (01:28:58):
She's not the reason that criminals from January sixth ran
the street. Some who got twenty to thirty years and
ended up walking and hit the bricks like it was
a Jay Z record. Jasmine Crockett is not the reason
that there's so much inconsistency in that Russia and that
these other countries know that they can basically play It's
all they have to do is come helpment the president.

Speaker 19 (01:29:20):
She's not the problem there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
And here's the deal of Mustafa. This is a money game.
Go to my iPad one year ago. This was Tesla
stock one hundred and seventy two dollars and sixty three cents. Well,
here's what happened. He started kissing up the Trump and
so let's just go here. Okay, all of a sudden
it goes up to two fifty two sixty two and
July ninth, and all of a sudden, we're getting closer

(01:29:44):
to the election October eighteenth. Then guess what happens October
twenty fifth, Look right here, October thirty first, November fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Two forty two. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
But guess what had three hundred million that he paid
up gave to let Trump look out his pay it
off go from two forty two uh oh, up to
three point fifty uh oh, up to four thirty six
uh oh, goes even higher higher, higher, four sixty two.
But then of a sudden does comes in and this
starts dropping and it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Goes down to two hundred and thirty dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
So what if they start doing with staffa oh, Donald
Trump's whole showroom exercise on the White House lawn, all
these people coming out, and now the stock goes up.
But the reality is in the last five days, the
last month though the stock is down about five percent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
They are this is what is all about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
They are doing all they can to boost this company.
So you have never seen the White House do anything
like this to help one company, but they are all
in on Elon. So I'm with Jasmine Crockett. Tell Pam
Bona she can go to hell.

Speaker 35 (01:30:55):
Yeah, I mean, most White Houses would understand that there's
real ethical concerns violations in being able to prop up
you know, one business, one corporation over others, and many
of the others, of course, would speak out at that time.

Speaker 19 (01:31:08):
We know you're starting.

Speaker 35 (01:31:09):
You've heard a lot of silence in this particular moment.
You know, for the Attorney General, you know, I would
implore her to actually fight as diligently for civil rights,
which is a part of her responsibility as corporate rights
because you know, we understand who is actually the most
vulnerable and who actually needs a strong attorney. She is

(01:31:32):
the lead attorney for our country and has that responsibility
and making sure that she is protecting the citizens.

Speaker 16 (01:31:38):
But the focus seems.

Speaker 35 (01:31:40):
To have been more on the corporate side of the
equation instead of the people side of the equation.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Ranly that woman spends more time on Fox News than
she does at the Department of Justice.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Yes, I thought she was working there, that she had
just decided to become an anchor man because she is
always there giving interviews and throwing out threats, Like I
thought it was really inappropriate what she said about Jasmine Crockett.
But they don't like her because she speaks the truth
and this administration is not about the truth. And you know,
she calls him out on what they do wrong. And

(01:32:12):
you know, Musk has lost one hundred and twenty billion
dollars since December, right because of Tesla and his involvement
in this administration. And people are seeing at the company
as it has for a long time, lacks integrity and
the man lacks integrity. But the fact that we have
the most what is supposed to be the most powerful attorney,
worrying about justice issues for the United States, worrying about

(01:32:35):
protecting one man, one man, not just Tesla. It's one
man that she is throwing out these threats to say,
do not talk badly or poorly about him. You know,
Jasmin Crockett is not the only person, nor was she
the first person to say we want to take down Tesla.
People are selling Tesla's left and right because of what
it has come to represent, and that is this shady

(01:32:58):
government that we have on right now and a man
who has bought the government. So, I mean, she's not
alone in this, but she, but BONDI is deciding to
attack one person unfairly that she doesn't have anything better
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
No, because she ain't never had work. Hell no, she't
got nothing else to do. All she does is spend
all of her damn time on Fox News. That's what
That's what she's doing, as simple as that, all right, folks.
The Fourteenth Amendment, added to the United States Constitution in
eighteen sixty eight, granted citizenship and equal civil and legal

(01:33:36):
rights to African Americans and the emancipated slaves following the
American Civil War.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Includes all of the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Individuals born or naturalized in the United States. But guess
what the right really wants to limit that. They're doing
all they can to limit that, to limit citizenship, to
limit voting rights. Sheryl and I is Vernon Jordan Esquire,
Endowed Chair and Civil Rights at Howard University's Law School.
She's launching the school's Fourteenth Amendment Center for Law and Democracy,
which will open on Friday. She joins us right now, Cherylyn,

(01:34:05):
glad to have you here. Before we talk about that,
we got to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
This is this executive order that Trump dropped today that
some are confused by. At the end of the day,
it's attacking citizenship when it comes to votings voting rights
as well. For folks who just are unaware of this,
just explain just your thoughts about this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
It shows you the constant efforts by a maga in
the right wing to deny voting rights, and now they
also want to put voting under doge. What these people
this is really about, uh, not having another election for
them to have power forever.

Speaker 26 (01:34:47):
Thanks so much, Roland. You know, uh, it is not
just this executive order, which you know, purports to try
to control what information goes on voter registration forms, which
are fully within the pri ants of the states. Is
the states that conduct elections, not the federal government. You'll
remember that in Trump's first term he created an Election

(01:35:07):
Integrity Commission, and he got sued so much he had
to disband the commission. But Roland, this is all of
a piece with why I'm launching the Fourteenth Amendment Center
on Law and Democracy. There has been an effort, almost
immediately since the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in eighteen
sixty six, to weaken it, to overturn it, to you know,

(01:35:30):
take away its power. The point of the Fourteenth Amendment
was to create a new nation. We were going to
have a nation for the first time in which black
people would be recognized as full and equal citizenship. It's
full and equal citizens and that's where both rights citizenship
came from. Remember the Plus versus Ferguson case came in
eighteen ninety six, so that's just thirty years after the

(01:35:52):
ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, and so by then, you know,
it had pretty much been disempowered. You had the Civil
Rights Act of eighteen seventy five that was overturned by
a set of cases. In the eighteen eighties. You had
Us versus Crookshank, which essentially took away the power of
the Ku Klux Klan Ax. We had a Supreme Court

(01:36:13):
that was hostile to the fourteenth Amendment, and then of
course we had clan violence as well, and so all
of this conspired to take away what was this promise
of full and equal citizenship in the fourteenth Amendment. And
we're still fighting that battle. If you look at all
of Trump's eos, it is shocking and appalling, and I
don't think it's been remarked upon enough. How many of

(01:36:36):
them are focused on issues of equality, race, and citizenship.
It is an agenda that is targeted at the fourteenth Amendment,
and it's called all kinds of other things, you know,
these elaborate names of his eos, But that's the entire
point of it. And the right wing has been fighting
a rear guard, not just against Brown versus Board of Education,
not just against the civil rights movement, but against the

(01:36:57):
fourteenth Amendment. And the reason I'm creating the center at
Howard is because we have to understand that, and we
begin to talk about what's happening to us and what
they are attempting to do. In constitutional terms, we are
the only people in this country for whom three amendments
to the Supreme Court were and they were ratified for
our protection. And I think when we talk about race

(01:37:19):
and discrimination in this country, we tend to talk about
it in terms that are emotional and moral and not constitutional.
And I want us to feel the same power, with
the same boldness that the guy with the AR fifteen
on his back in McDonald's, you know, will tell you
that that's his second Amendment, right. I want us to
feel us bold and talking about our fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 11 (01:37:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Well, see, I think the problem that I had, the
problem that I have, I'm just thinking of me, Frank.
Whether it's Democrats, whether it's progressive, whether it's liberals, whatever
phrase you want to use it, that side is not
as ruthless. The reality is we in benefact. If y'all
have that clip of speaker Mike Johnson, I mean speaker

(01:38:01):
Mike Johnson was talking about the courts. Uh, and they
like right now, okay, maggots all pissed off, Dow mind you,
they loved it when you had federal judges. Uh, that
that that was putting in check President Joe Biden some
of his decisions. But now they're so upset that so
many federal judges are ruling against UH, ruling against Donald Trump.

(01:38:24):
And so now they're like, oh no, now we must
put limits on this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
You got Josh Howley out there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
UH he's talking about, oh, how oh, no, we need
to change the law and so uh that there could
be no national injunctions, that we have to must limit
these things to. You know, a very you know one
geographical area UH speaker Mike Johnson that gave a news conference.
He was talking about, oh, how look, we controlled the

(01:38:51):
purse springs and listen, you know Ellie Misto has been
talking about for the longest, but he he was kept
saying Democrats, he said, you control the power of the purse.
I just believe that for Demics they keep thinking that, No,
this is about the institutions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
These people on the right, it is about raw power period.

Speaker 26 (01:39:10):
I don't disagree with you, Roland, but that's part of
why I think it's important for us to be talking
about this in constitutional terms. You just had a whole
conversation about Pam Bondi and what she's doing with the
Department of Justice, and you talked about it in the
terms of her being on Fox News and not working.
I want to talk about it in terms of the
fact that the Department of Justice itself was created in
eighteen seventy for the purpose of creating a federal enforcement

(01:39:34):
arm to protect black people. I want to talk about
why when we talk about the power of the Attorney General,
the role of the Justice Department, we want to talk
about antitrust, we want to talk about environment, we talk
about all these other things, but we don't talk about
the fact that the core center of the job is
supposed to be the reason that Department of Justice was created,

(01:39:55):
and so instead we talk about you know, obviously Pam
Bondi is not the most qualify five person to sit
in that seat, and we can say lots of things
about her and what she said today about Elon, but
what we haven't claimed for ourselves is that that's our Justice
Department and it was created for the purpose of protecting us.
I agree with you about power and this idea of
changing the jurisdiction of federal courts. You know who used

(01:40:17):
to champion that every year, Jesse Helms. Since Brown versus
Board of Education. Republicans have been talking about stripping in
the Supreme Court, restricting their ability to take certain kinds
of actions. That has always been their play, talk about
raw power. They don't have the votes, they don't have
the sixty votes to do it, so that's important. So

(01:40:37):
they're saying it, and it's nice for them to say it,
but they can't do it. The question is what are
we on the other side saying about what we are
going to do and what power we have. We have
the power to stop them, but when we actually have
the numbers, do we use the power? Constitutionally, Congress was
given black people, and I think that's the bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Problem, right, I mean, I just I mean that is
a problem because again, this is for me, it is
an exercise and power. Listen, I think frankly, like I
got sick and tired. I kept I got sick and
tired of hearing all these democrats. Oh no, oh no,
this is codified. No, no, no star decisives, no these things.

Speaker 11 (01:41:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
No, unless it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Is clear, Listen, it's it's it's it's it could be
jacked up. Look all of these years, all of these years,
what happened Democrats were in control.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Oh lbj's position on federal contracting. Well, you know what,
guess what that EO, We're not going to change that.
It's all good. Preditor twenty twenty five comes along, gone,
look at look.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
At the issue of when we talk about hell, the
Voting Rights Act. The Voting Rights Act used to be
like a basic thing, got passed by everybody. Oh no,
right wing core comes along now with sudden, we ain't
passing Jack if.

Speaker 26 (01:41:57):
You who are we blaming for this? Okay? So the
Voting Rightsack, you're right, was always bipartisan right through George W.
Bush Right, No, right, I mean that's how, that's how
recently you know, you had ninety nine Senators vote in
favor of the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Ack. What
changed that was the Supreme Court in the Shelby case, Yes,
which basically removed the velvet rope from voter suppression and

(01:42:19):
allowed it to metastasize around the country. So the problem
we have is that we don't just have a Congress problem.
We actually have three branches of government that are now
all aligned in opposition to civil rights. We have Congress,
we have President, and we have the Supreme Court.

Speaker 11 (01:42:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
But but but but the reason I brought that up
is because we not a winning hand. Right. But see
the reason I brought that up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
When Rami Manuel was Baro President Barack Obama's chief of staff,
he was basically cussing out progressives. Stop bringing up the
effing courts. That was his whole deal. He I remember, yeah,
you know, you know they didn't. They were kind of like, Okay,
y'all keep talking about the courts. Y'all were like, yo,
do y'all not see what's coming?

Speaker 26 (01:43:00):
That's you know, you gotta have a Washington crew that
understands what's happening. You know, people, you know, we talk
about Jimmy Carter and his passing. His most consequential contribution
domestically was that he was the first president he created
a whole task force to get black people on the bench.
And many of the black judges that you and I
grew up seeing were a result of Jimmy Carter, and

(01:43:21):
those people have now aged out. Now to his credit,
Biden did the same, and he has now appointed more
black judges than anyone on the bench. And he's appointed
more judges than anyone on the bench. And that's what
the Republicans are mad about.

Speaker 11 (01:43:31):
See.

Speaker 26 (01:43:32):
I always think it's important Roland to figure out when
they're flexing power and when they're responding to our power.
What they are responding to right now are the judges,
many of whom were put there during the Biden administration,
Right Dale, Ho, Judge Ali, all of these, all former
civil rights attorneys, are judges who were just confirmed last year,

(01:43:53):
and so that's what they're angry about. They are responding
to the fact that if there's one thing we got
right during the Biden years is that we pushed on
the judges and we got the judges on the bench.
So they're going to say a lot of stuff. They
don't have the power right now because they don't have
the sixty votes. But one of the reasons I'm creating
this center, Roland, is so that we have a space
and this is a nonpartisan center. Has nothing to do

(01:44:16):
with the Democrats, but it's about black people and the
fourteenth Amendment and thinking about how can we create a strategy,
a long term strategy to fulfill the promise of that
amendment that was derailed beginning in the nineteenth century and
through most of the twentieth century. It was only Thurgod
Marshall and the lawyers at the Legal Defense Fund and

(01:44:36):
civil rights activists who actually restored the Fourteenth Amendment in
the middle of the twentieth century. And now we see
this backlash coming from the right again. So we have
to have a strategy of how we get out ahead
of this. We have a moment right now that we
have to fight every day, and that's important. But it's
also important that the future comes, whether you like it
or not, and the question is what are we going

(01:44:57):
to do in that future and what do we want
to have in that future. My suggestion is that we
begin with what we do have, which is that we
have three constitutional amendments that are supposed to be powerful,
and if we walk in the power of them, when
we have political power and when we have narrative power,
then we will be able to advance ourselves in ways
that cannot be reversed. And that's you know, the effort

(01:45:19):
of the center, that's the that's what you know Thurgod
Marshall and that team did. That's why you and I
are here right now, Roland because of what they did.
Right And the question is what are our great grandchildren
going to be able to say, where are they going
to be because of what we did? So the purpose
of the center is to really create a place where
we can have the kind of conversation you and I
are having right now, right I also fry and it's

(01:45:40):
and it's designed to help us be strategic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
I also think we got to We've got to have
some really different conversations with black people. So what I
mean by that is, I can't tell you how many
times over the last four years I had black folos, folks,
And I'm not talking about these nutcase black maga imps.

(01:46:05):
I'm talking about other black voltes, some who may not
vote a some who did, who kept saying, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
I heard it under Obama and I also heard it Underbid.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
I mean, know what, you keep bringing these judges up,
and I keep sitting there going like literally, I kept saying,
do you not fucking understand that a president is there
a maximum of eight years, but a federal judge is
there for life. That you can have people who serve thirty, forty,

(01:46:39):
fifty sixty years as federal judges, That the sheer power
of one federal judge is immense. And I always use
the example it's lock into my brain being from Texas, Texas.
If you are from Texas and you are jen X
and you paid any attention to the news, if.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
You're a baby boomer as well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
You know Judge William Wayne Justice, he was forever in
the news. He oversaw the Texas prison system. He made
rulings when it came to education. This one federal judge
literally controlled significant parts of the entire city of Texas,

(01:47:22):
one federal judge. So it drives me crazy. Why I
hear black people act as if the judges that Biden
appointed and the judges that Obama appointed just sign that's
insignificant when the federal judges rule on everything.

Speaker 11 (01:47:40):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
If you can have a law passed by the city
council and somebody sues, it may be heard in federal court.

Speaker 26 (01:47:47):
You know, Roland, It's one of the reasons why at
the conference that we have on Friday, we're going to
have some federal judges and we're going to be in
conversation about how do federal judges learn about the Fourteenth
Amendment right, Because you know, I do a lot of
judicial education in an effort to expose judges to a
better understanding of reconstruction of the civil Rights Movement of

(01:48:09):
the Civil War amendments that were created for us, because
we also can't assume that judges all have that information.
But you're absolutely right that judges are essential, an absolutely
essential part of understanding how we advance in this country.
And we've got to do a better job of educating
our own community about that. We've got to do a

(01:48:29):
better job of educating political leaders about that. It's not sexy,
and judges are behind in their chambers and in rogues,
and people kind of forget that they're there and don't
understand the power. So we have to do a better
job of helping people block out the noise of the
latest sassy thing that somebody said and really help them

(01:48:50):
understand how important the judges are. As I said, I
always think it's important for us to pat ourselves on
the back when we do well, and we did well
during the Biden administration in people this on judges, and
we need to recognize that we did well. And you
were talking about power and using you know, eos. I
mean Biden did attempt to do that. That was what
the student loan thing was all about. But I say,
when you have three branches of government all aligned kind

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of in opposition to civil rights. It's hard right because
the Supreme Court told him, no, you can't do that, right.
You know, you know you don't have the power to
do that. So you know, we're playing a very tough
hand and we're playing an even tougher one now. But
my view is that in addition to fighting in the
in the day to day, which I have done for
thirty five years, we have to reserve some of our energy,

(01:49:35):
some of our intellect, some of our convening space, some
of our collaboration to strategizing for our future. It comes
and it comes fast, and if we're honest with ourselves,
the reason the right has been successful over the past
twenty they did so.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Is this conference over to the public?

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Is it being live streamed, how it will public accession will.

Speaker 26 (01:49:55):
Be recorded and we will try to have that recording available.
We don't have the space to have it as a
full public conference, but it is for those on our campus.
It is for those who have been invited to the conference.
We have a number of amazing speakers who are going
to be with us, and a lot of it. Roland
is going to be talking about how ordinary people become

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makers of constitutional meaning you shouldn't be leaving it all
to people like me, leaving it to lawyers and policy folks.
We have an arm of it that is going to
bring artists into the conversation. And we have some stunning
artists with us for the day, say he Jones, the poet,
and Carrie May Weems, the visual artist and photographer. As
I said, we have federal judges with us. We have
an incredible lineup of historians who are going to really

(01:50:38):
give some vital information. And we have some activists. We
have Latasha Brown, co founder of Black Voters Matter. We
have Revent William Lamar from Metropolitan Ame Church who has
done such an incredible job in that lawsuit against the
Proud Boys. And we'll be talking about the role of
democratic institutions, tech and journalism and so forth, and what

(01:50:59):
their role is in ensuring that the principles and values
of the fourteenth Amendment are advanced. So it's going to
be a popfull day, and our luncheon speaker will be
Ava du Verney. She and I will be in conversation
the filmmaker, and we'll be talking about how film can
help do this kind of education work that you and
I are talking about that we need in our own community.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
So you say recorded, but how will the public? I mean,
you have all of these these great conversations, but how
is the public be able to access it?

Speaker 26 (01:51:24):
Yeah, they won't be able to see it in real time.
But once we have the recording, we will post the recording.
It'll be available on the website so that people can
see the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Got it? I mean, but do y'all want it in
real time?

Speaker 26 (01:51:35):
Why are you coming?

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
No? I'm asking do y'all want it to be done
in real time?

Speaker 26 (01:51:39):
I think it's a little late for that. How well
call me, call me?

Speaker 11 (01:51:45):
Okay?

Speaker 31 (01:51:45):
That ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
We move in two three hours? You talking about Friday?
That's three days from now, Sharlon, That's easy.

Speaker 26 (01:51:54):
Let's talk about it all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Ain't no big thing. That's easy for us. We do
this every day, all right?

Speaker 26 (01:52:00):
All right? Groland?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
All right? Well, first of all, tell me is there
a website for the center? Where can people go?

Speaker 26 (01:52:04):
Well, you should now go to the Howard Law School website.
The Fourteenth Amendment website will be launching soon. We do
have social media. We are on Instagram. You can follow
me and follow my substack and I'll be providing information
about it until we get all fully stood up. But
this is an important time, as you know, the Supreme
Court is going to take up the birthright citizenship question shortly,

(01:52:28):
and so it'll be an important time to educate our
own community about why this case is important for us.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
All right, cherl lif We appreciate it.

Speaker 26 (01:52:36):
Thanks a lot, Thank you, Roland Hie.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Folks, we're just telling.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
You about again how the right wants to go after
these judges. Here Speaker Mike Johnson literally saying, Okay, that's
how we could target these judges.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Watch a natural tension between the branches of.

Speaker 9 (01:52:52):
The government, and we're working through that. The Judiciary Committee
is looking at alternatives. One of the bills that I
really liked that's already been through committee was author Representer
pareral Isa, and that would limit the scope of federal injunctions,
the ability of one individual judge to abuse the system
in this way, and it would be, in my feo,
dramatic improvement on that. So we'll be moving I think

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that l piece of legislation and some others to address it,
because we have an Article one authority under the Constitution
to do that. We do have authority over the federal courts.
As you know, we can eliminate an entire district court.
We have power funding over the courts and all these
other things. But desperate times called for destriint measures, and
Congress is going to act. So stay tuned for that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Desperate times call for desperate measures. So what are the
desperate measures?

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Are simply mad that judges are ruling against Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Here's that fool.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Josh Holly on Fox News talking about his bill, that
how he wants to challenge these judges.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
They're just they're mad that he's breaking the law and
the judges are holding them accountable.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Watch.

Speaker 34 (01:53:53):
The key thing to do here, Laura, is to end
the ability of these district courts to abuse their judicial
authority by issuing these so called nationwide injunctions. Laura, I
don't think they have that authority properly speaking under the
Constitution Article three.

Speaker 11 (01:54:06):
What they're doing is they're purporting.

Speaker 34 (01:54:08):
These judges, they're purporting to go out and to bind
parties and individuals who aren't before them. They're purporting to
bind people who aren't in their district. We only have
one Supreme court that can bind the whole nation. District
courts aren't supposed to be able to do it, and
yet President Trump has been subject already to fifteen separate,
so called nationwide injunctions in his first term. Laura, there

(01:54:31):
were sixty four. We have never seen anything like this
in American history. It's incredibly abusive, and Congress ought to
end it. And we can end it by just saying
no nationwide injunctions by these district courts.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Well, Joah's because they've been breaking the damn law.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
That's it. I mean, you met other presidents that follow the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Law, that actually care about the law. These fools have
been breaking the law in the federal judge's line, like
the Keimi Matamo no no, no, oh no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
They're just mad about that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
And these aren't all Biden Obama Clinton appointed judges. Republican
judges have been ruing against them.

Speaker 23 (01:55:12):
That's exactly right. And the fact of the matter is
at the times where he gets decisions that are favorable
if it's a judge in Virginia or it's a judge wherever.

Speaker 19 (01:55:21):
And they forum shop just as much as we do.

Speaker 23 (01:55:24):
They look to file things in jurisdictions that they think
would be friendly because they know that a federal judge
can bind nationally. They know that, and when it works
for them, it's fine. When it doesn't work for them,
we want to get rid of it. We want to
throw off the baby with the bathwater. That's the power
of the federal judge. And by the way, as attorneys,
I can be an attorney in any state and go

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practice in any federal court in America.

Speaker 19 (01:55:48):
Why because Federal is king.

Speaker 11 (01:55:50):
Federal is king.

Speaker 23 (01:55:51):
And at the end of the day, these judges are
actually doing their job where Congress isn't, and therefore he's
getting more else than he's getting. W's So now, once again,
just like anything else, you want to change the rules.
So the Feds, the federal judges actually are over exerting
their authority or whatever else.

Speaker 19 (01:56:09):
But now what you want to do is keep them
from doing that.

Speaker 23 (01:56:12):
So all that you have left is checked an unchecked
executive authority, right and overreach and law creating and all
of these other things. So you can't have it both ways.
The same things that will make you laugh and make
you cry. And as it pertains to the judges, the
things that are going on judicially, they're throwing a bunch

(01:56:33):
of stuff on the wall.

Speaker 19 (01:56:34):
They're being the Trump administration that.

Speaker 23 (01:56:35):
Are just clearly unconstitutional and that's why they're losing with
democratic and Republican judges alike.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
I mean, go to my idpad. Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Here's Fox News whining Trump's first administration to face sixty
four injunctions out of the total one hundred and twenty
seven nationwide injunctions issued since nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Yeah, because you kept breaking the damn.

Speaker 48 (01:56:58):
Law that and right, if you're serious, then put legislation forward,
Put legislation forward, let it go through the system, and
then you know, folks would have so much more confidence,
and it would go through a process where everybody has
the opportunity to.

Speaker 35 (01:57:18):
Participate and all the things that are critical. You know,
this is about a rasure for them, right. It is
a rature of access, it is a rature of rights.
And they're playing the game in a very strategic way.
So you heard him say, you know, the Speaker of
the House that you know, we'll look at how we
can take away resources from the courts. Right, So if

(01:57:40):
they don't have the necessary dollars, then it makes it
more difficult for.

Speaker 16 (01:57:43):
Them to be able to adjudicate the cases. That are there.

Speaker 35 (01:57:46):
Right, If you don't have the staff, you don't have
the resources to be able to do that. So folks
need to pay attention of the critical steps that folks
need to get engaged with to hold accountability for the
actions that people are trying to do. And if you
don't get engaged, if you don't educate yourself, folks will
will just run around you and they'll be asking the question,

(01:58:09):
how did we find ourselves here? We have three branches
of government for a reason, and they would love for
it to no longer even have three branches that just
the president gets to make all decisions and that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
Is the final, final edict, if you will.

Speaker 16 (01:58:24):
So we have to pay attention.

Speaker 35 (01:58:25):
We have to get engaged, and we have to make
sure that we are, you know, educating ourselves at least
on a basic level of what is going on and
how it's playing out and where are access points are randy.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
The fundamental problems is here. They control the White House,
they control the House, they control the Senate, and they're
pissed that they don't fully control the courts. That's all
this is about. They want to run and control it all.
They don't want any any ability to stop them from
implementing their agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
They want it all.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
Someone who wants the dictatorship wants. They don't want checks
and balances. They want to be able to make decisions
and not at all be questioned, checked or stopped. And
by the grace of God, we do have these federal
judges who are doing what their job is to do,
and they seem more aligned with serving the American people

(01:59:21):
and respecting the law even and not respecting just this
one person, this one man who some seem to see
as a deity. Thankfully, we're seeing people because they really
do believe in the Constitution. That's why we've seen some
Republican federal judges, you know, ruling against him. And so
of course they're upset because they did. I mean, we

(01:59:42):
have to give them credit because they did put you know,
they have it set up where they're not getting a
bunch of no's people are telling them that they could
do what they want to do, and they have been
doing outrageous things.

Speaker 5 (01:59:52):
But we have those federal judges.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Indeed, indeed, I am I'm gonna I'm gonna go to
this last story here, and you know what, it takes
a special kind of fool to be arrogant with some
of the stuff that they do. A Minnesota state senator
has resigned following his arrest for soliciting the prostitution from
a seventeen year old girl who turned out to be

(02:00:17):
a police detective engaged in a sting operation. Forty year
old Justin Eihorn is charged with attempted coercion and enforcement
enticement of a minor.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
The former lawmaker.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
Is alleged to have six messages to someone who appeared
to be a teenage girl in response to an online
ad posted this month. When he arrived at a spot
where he had arranged to pay the girl for.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Sex, well, he was medaged dead by cops.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
Through the news conference, the police provided some details about
Justin's arrest.

Speaker 49 (02:00:54):
Next Justin, I think everybody knows about Justin here, so
I'm not going to get into that too much other
than to say that, as everybody knows right now, he
is under federal prosecution. And I'm going to say one
thing that Justin said that you might not know. The

(02:01:16):
decoy had told him that they live with their aunt
and that their aunt was gone till next week. And
then Justin had asked if he could have sex in
his car.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
Well, because he asked that.

Speaker 49 (02:01:33):
He came here trying to have sex with a child.
You will notice a nice white Toyota outside with the
Bloomington Police logo on it because we're forfeiting his vehicle
administratively because he wanted to come here and commit a felony.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
Now, this is the same Justin who authored a bill
make it a legal to have Trump derangement syndrome, where
he said that you know what this is mental illness.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
Watch this.

Speaker 50 (02:02:00):
Every Sunday night during session, I say goodbye to my
wife and kids and make the three hour trek to
Saint Paul to fight for our way of life because
day after day it is under attack from metro liberals.

Speaker 41 (02:02:12):
Minnesota State senator just arrested.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
H under attack from those metroliberals. Okay, how about this here?

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
I love this particular ad that Justin deed with his family. Watch.

Speaker 51 (02:02:26):
Hi, I'm State Senator Justin iicorn and I'm here at
the Capitol of today with my family. Hi, Brittany ICORNI,
and we are super excited because coming up in just
a few days is the March for Life.

Speaker 5 (02:02:40):
As you can tell, our families very pro life.

Speaker 16 (02:02:42):
We have four awesome kids here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
He's even shaking his head.

Speaker 51 (02:02:45):
Yes, but we really invite families to come out and
be a part of this event.

Speaker 41 (02:02:49):
It's an important family friendly event that's just great for
your family and your kids to come and be a
part of and experience and support pro life things.

Speaker 51 (02:02:57):
And while you're down here, we would love the opportunity
to say hi to you. Please stop buy my office
and you know we can talk about pro life issues
or any other issues you may be having or things
you're thinking about the district. So we look forward to
seeing you on Tuesday of the twenty second for the
March for Life.

Speaker 7 (02:03:12):
See you as soon.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
Well, it's a whole lot he can be talking about
sitting his ass in jail, randon.

Speaker 5 (02:03:22):
The hypocrisy, the hypocrisy.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
You know, there's always the Republicans have this traditional family,
we're so conservative, we want things to be a certain way,
and then it always seems as if some story comes
up that behind our back, they're just but wild and
doing just they're just nasty doing these things. So when
he says, you know, he wants to protect his way
of life, I was like, the one you're portraying or

(02:03:44):
you know, trying to hook up with a seventeen year old.
Which way of life are you trying to protect? Because
the two are not aligned at all.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Now, this is why he resigned, because they were going
to drop this bill against him.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
Watch this.

Speaker 52 (02:04:04):
At the second order of business, which is Executive and
Official Communications, the Secretary will report the communication.

Speaker 53 (02:04:13):
Governor Waltz, I am resigning my seat in the Minnesota
Senate for District six, effective immediately. I must focus on
personal matters at this time. It has been an honor
to serve in the Minnesota Senate. Sincerely, justin Nycorn.

Speaker 52 (02:04:26):
Remember there is no action required as a result of
that executive and official community.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
Joe, he has some personal issues to deal with.

Speaker 23 (02:04:40):
And as the Great Teddy p Once said, and maybe
my favorite tone at the hook, he says, I think
you better.

Speaker 19 (02:04:48):
Let it go.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
Let it go.

Speaker 23 (02:04:51):
So he figured out that he was done, and unfortunately,
sexual assault, hug trafficking, use of children, sexual harassment, you know,
fill in the blank, they know, no party.

Speaker 11 (02:05:08):
You know.

Speaker 23 (02:05:09):
Today, In the last six months, I dealt with sexual
harassment employment cases against both Democrats and Republicans, and somebody
came to me and asked me about doing one against
a Democrat, And I'm like, why wouldn't he if he's
a sexual harasser that knows no party, And so at
the end of the day, that's what you have.

Speaker 19 (02:05:29):
And again we're living with that hypocrisy.

Speaker 23 (02:05:32):
And listen, you know, nobody's perfect Bible says that he
was without seeing cast a first stone. But you have
no business, or my mom would say, you ain't got
no business positioning yourself to harm children, particularly given that
it's so different than what you proclaim, and then blame
other folks for how they live, for having alternative lifestyles

(02:05:54):
or fill in the blank. So it's sick and it's disgusting.
But you know, you know, jail even it out for him,
and that's just where he is. And I don't have
an ounce of sympathy this cat at all.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
This is not somebody having a consensual relationship with an
adult Gustafa he was trying to have said with a
seventeen year old girl in the car.

Speaker 35 (02:06:21):
Well, Randy said it. He said, they just nasty. That's
exactly what it is. I mean, it's not a laughing matter.
We know pedophilia, we know these assaults on young women
and sometimes young boys takes place and that it needs.

Speaker 16 (02:06:35):
To be addressed. You know, my grandmother says, when you
know better, do better.

Speaker 35 (02:06:39):
I was looking into the eyes of his children and
how they are going to be impacted by the decisions
that he made. You know, he's supposed to come from
this family values that folks used to use as their
bumper sticker for that, you know, for that party.

Speaker 16 (02:06:56):
But these family values don't seem to be.

Speaker 35 (02:06:58):
In alignment with what most people believe it in the
twenty first century. You know, maybe back in the seventeen
hundreds or eighteen hundreds, maybe his behavior would have.

Speaker 16 (02:07:07):
Been seen as normal.

Speaker 35 (02:07:08):
Then it's hard for me to even conceptualize that you
literally were willing to damage a young person for your
own sexual gratification.

Speaker 16 (02:07:17):
You were willing to destroy your.

Speaker 35 (02:07:19):
Family and your legacy for these types of actions that
you were willing to do, and now because you made
a choice, you now get to spend time behind bars.

Speaker 16 (02:07:31):
So, you know, I hope.

Speaker 35 (02:07:33):
His family heals, you know, whether it's his wife and
his children. But at the same time, I hope we
will pay better attention to these gaps that still exist
inside of our society and these men, primarily, who are
the ones who continue to bring this harm into our communities.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
Indeed, indeed, all right, y'all real quick, I'll go to
my iPad. A Democratic House leader, King Jeffries is actually
calling on Donald Trump to fire Peter hex Sath.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
He said.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Pete, he says, is the most of them qualified Secretary
Defense in American history.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
His continued presence in.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
The top position of leadership the Pentagon threatens the nation
and security and puts up brave men and women in
the uniforms throughout the world in danger. The so called
Secretary of Defense recklessly and casually disclosed highly sensitive war plans,
including the timing of a pending attack, possible strike targets,
and the weapons to be used during an unclassified national
security group chat, and inxplicably included a reporter. His behavior

(02:08:29):
shocks the concents, risk American lives and likely violated the law.
Secretary of Defense Pete Heseth should be fired immediately. Sincerely,
Hakim Jefferys, Democratic Leader. Before we go, I got to
give I got to tell y'all this here. So while
we have been live. Of course, this fool Mike Waltz
went on Laura Ingram Show on Fox News, and you

(02:08:51):
know what, I just for the I gotta leave up
with this comedy now, just for all three of you,
mustafa urine signal.

Speaker 5 (02:09:01):
I have it, but I haven't utilized in a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
Okay, you're on it. Randy, you're on it. Uh and
then Joe, you on signal.

Speaker 19 (02:09:08):
Got on it this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
Okay, I want all of y'all to listen to this
fool like dude, stop digging.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
Listen.

Speaker 31 (02:09:17):
I built the group to My job is to make
sure everything's coordinated.

Speaker 19 (02:09:20):
But how did that come?

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
Cute?

Speaker 33 (02:09:21):
I mean, I don't mean to be pedantic here, but
how did the number?

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
Have you ever had?

Speaker 31 (02:09:24):
Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name
and then you have an and then you have somebody
else's number.

Speaker 7 (02:09:30):
Mistake, right, You've got.

Speaker 31 (02:09:31):
Somebody else's number on someone else's contact. So of course
I didn't see this loser in the group. It looked
like someone else. Now, whether he did it deliberately or
it happened in some other technical meanings something we're trying
to figure out.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
So Lord Ingram's kind of like, dude, what the fuck?
Like like you just spinning shit? You just like he did?
So what he deliberately hacked his way into the come on, hi, y'all,

(02:10:06):
all of us on signal, you can't. Oh yeah, I'm
gonna put my name is something else and I'm gonna
hack my way.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
Joe gone.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
Just this is one where take to al, just take
to al, take to al to keep it moving.

Speaker 23 (02:10:27):
And a whole lot of folks, frankly wouldn't care if
they should.

Speaker 19 (02:10:30):
And that's another problem that we have.

Speaker 23 (02:10:32):
But you know, on this app what I learned right
away is that you're not at a party that you
don't get invited to. Uh So there is no issue
with what the reporter actually did. He's not hacking. His
mama's not hacking his daddy's not hacking. Nobody's hacking their
way into that. He was invited into that discussion. And
that's the only reason that he was a part of it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:54):
Right. Just I mean, this is not hard.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
Randy, just say, you know what, Hey, we screwed up.
Shouldn't have been invited. Ain't gonna happen again. You know what,
we shouldn't have been on single all.

Speaker 2 (02:11:04):
They just.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
Like day was six feet, let's just go let's just
go ahead and hit twenty feet, Let's just keep digging.

Speaker 54 (02:11:14):
Yeah, they refuse to take any responsibility, and clearly they're
not going to. They refuse to take any responsibility, and
they just need to accept the fact that they were sloppy.
I mean, you know, and they keep acting like it
was it could happen to anybody, and comparing it to
if I was texting I had a text.

Speaker 4 (02:11:31):
Group with the three of you, you know, you're gonna
be much more careful. We're talking about you're in charge
of our national security. We're talking about war plans right here,
So I would hope that you would be a little
bit more careful than a family text where you're talking
about what you're gonna have for dinner the next day.
But obviously they're not going to take accountability and they're
just gonna make up lies and want to blame everything

(02:11:53):
from the app to the actual reporter.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
Right, Masapha listened again, how he wants to denigrate Yourffrey
Goldberg listen to this.

Speaker 31 (02:12:01):
Yes, Uh, we're gonna get to the bottom of it.
We've have I just talked to Elon on the way here.
We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened.
But I can tell you, I can tell you for one,
I don't know this guy. I know him by his
horrible reputation and he really is the bottom scum of journalists.

Speaker 10 (02:12:20):
Uh.

Speaker 31 (02:12:20):
And I know him in the sense that he hates
the President.

Speaker 2 (02:12:24):
But I don't text.

Speaker 1 (02:12:25):
All right, I can't I listen, I can't wait. I
can't wait. Mustafa for that I don't know that woman,
miss Lewinsky. Moment when Jeffrey Goldberg goes, oh, we don't
know each other. We don't we don't know each other. Mike, Okay, Mike,

(02:12:46):
let's let's let me let let's let me start rolling
out our conversations over the last five ten years.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
But just keep dick. You know what.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55):
I don't mind these fools doing it because they look
absolutely stupid doing it, But just knock yourselves out.

Speaker 16 (02:13:02):
They're just not ready for prime time.

Speaker 11 (02:13:04):
You know.

Speaker 35 (02:13:04):
When you choose individuals who don't have the experience to
be in these positions, then you're going to have these lapses.

Speaker 16 (02:13:12):
You're going to have these gaps.

Speaker 35 (02:13:13):
You're going to actually, in some instances, you know, put
our country in very dangerous situations.

Speaker 11 (02:13:21):
You know.

Speaker 16 (02:13:21):
But this is all about deflection. I mean, I'm like,
dang man, you should.

Speaker 35 (02:13:24):
Be working for one of the teams in the hockey
league the way you keep deflecting these types of things.

Speaker 16 (02:13:29):
But when you.

Speaker 35 (02:13:30):
Do that, you actually bring attention back, and people begin
to pay more attention, and they're asking, you know, really
tough questions about you know, if you're making mistakes here,
where else are you making mistakes?

Speaker 5 (02:13:41):
So what he's really doing, really all of them.

Speaker 35 (02:13:43):
Is bringing greater attention to the decisions that they're making,
and not just the decisions, but the processes and the
actions that lead up to those sets of decisions. The
last thing I'll say is, you know, on my grandfather's farm,
you go to the barn and the animals leave a
whole lot of stuff left behind, So you start shoveling
and shoveling and shoveling. And that's what we continue to

(02:14:05):
see over the last few days in the relationship of
this people trying to move.

Speaker 16 (02:14:10):
That excrement out of the way. But they just got
to do better.

Speaker 35 (02:14:14):
I mean, the country needs people to actually do their
job at a very high level, because when you don't,
in relationship to national security and relationship to the intelligence issues,
there are serious repercussions that ripple not just in the
moment but throughout the time.

Speaker 16 (02:14:34):
So we'll see how it all plays out.

Speaker 11 (02:14:37):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
That was one thing that we had pulled and I
just got to play this here.

Speaker 2 (02:14:41):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
I really wish folk understand what the role and the
job of journalists are supposed to be. So they were
discussing this whole thing on the Breakfast Club, okay, and
the right wing understand, the right wing has been spread
this clip around left and right. They did signal, put

(02:15:03):
Daily Call or put this out there as well. So
here's DJ Envy talking about what Jeffrey Goldberg did.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
And I'm like, and be really broad.

Speaker 55 (02:15:13):
Come on, if you did get those texts right, and
you know those texts were supposed to be to you,
why would you put it out there?

Speaker 2 (02:15:20):
Like That's what I don't understand.

Speaker 55 (02:15:22):
Like, you are a journalist, but this is your country,
and you know released some of that stuff can probably
or might affect the things that happen.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
Why would you put that out there?

Speaker 45 (02:15:30):
Like I say, I'm gonna sit on that. You know
how big of a story that is. That's why you
put it out there?

Speaker 55 (02:15:34):
Yeah, but this is your country and if it could
affect military, it could affect people that's out there working here.

Speaker 45 (02:15:39):
It's about that because you want to get you have bylines,
you want to get the clicks, you want to sensationalize,
and twenty twenty five nobody cares about that.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
Don't care about people, honey.

Speaker 55 (02:15:49):
They care more about likes and TikTok numbers, not.

Speaker 45 (02:15:51):
Even dot com numbers, Google trends. Like, I'm just being real, like,
that's why you put it out there. But also too,
I think depending on where that journalist sics like, it's
kind of like exposing how careless. I think that's what
they were trying to do, exposing how careless an administration
could be, which is also dangerous. So maybe that's their
way of saying, yo, if I care about my people,
like y'all need to know y'are president in his administration

(02:16:13):
are accidentally sending something this serious.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
Okay, So that was Envy and Lauren having a conversation.
Both of them have no idea what the hell they're
talking about. Okay, that was just a ridiculous conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:16:27):
I've been in journalists since I was fourteen years old,
and the reality is there's a long history. First of all,
the First Amendment is the first four reason. Okay, I've
been a journalist a long time again with the communications
high school. All Right, just look I wore just understand,
I wore this today. This is my Okay Jack Jay's

(02:16:50):
high school, madged school communications what they called me in
high school. Miter TV been doing itself fourteen years old. Okay,
So this, this conversation was a joke. This isn't about Lauren.
It's not about clicks. It's not about that. It's actually
about the role of a journalist. It's what journalists do.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
They broke the law.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
There are things that we report on in journalism.

Speaker 2 (02:17:16):
These things actually happen. You know what. There's a thing
that uh.

Speaker 1 (02:17:21):
There's a thing that's called people ain't maybe remember it,
the My Life massacre.

Speaker 2 (02:17:26):
Go to my computer. Okay, this was broken by two journalists. Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Seymour Hirsch is one of those journalists. Okay, very well known.
Pull up Surprise Winning where they broke the story about
what happened during Vietnam How what what what American troops
were doing? Okay, do you understand this is Richard Seymour

(02:17:53):
Hirsch and Ronald written Hour actually broke that story. All Right,
many of us know about the other story. It's been documentaries,
it's been movies, the movie The Post Center arounds it.
The Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg got a hold of the
volumeless history of the Vietnam War. Come on, go to

(02:18:16):
my iPad. All right, this is for the National Archives. Okay,
this is it literally breaks it down. But Daniel Ellsberg,
who was working with the Rand Corporation, he was so
shocked by what he saw in Vietnam, but also the
lies that were being told by the American people. And
so he then past passed on the Pentagon Papers to

(02:18:37):
the New York Times and the New York Times. The
Knison administration went after them and then tried to get
them to stop it. They got an injunction and what
then happened was they then the Washington Post then began
to report on it as will Okay, the Supreme Court
ruled in favor of the New York Times and the
Washington Post. This is what journalists. Journalists do every single day, folks.

(02:19:01):
I have a copy of this book, which is an
amazing book by Ethan Michael mckayley.

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
It's called The Defender.

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
How the legendary Black Newspaper Changed Changed America. Okay, this
is what this book looks like if you read this book,
you know what you will discover.

Speaker 2 (02:19:17):
During World War.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Two, the United States actually threatened to sue and to
imprison black newspapers because the black newspapers were writing about
racism that black troops had faced in the United States military.
They wanted to charge them with treason, saying that their
reporting was not in the interests of the United States.

(02:19:40):
They wanted the black papers to only be writing about
the war.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
And they said, wait a minute, y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:19:45):
There was a campaign called the double V campaign, Victory
at home and victory abroad. That's what black papers were
doing to Lauren and Envy. What about clicks? It was
about the black papers writing about the racism that African
Americans were facing in the United States military.

Speaker 2 (02:20:03):
We can go on and on and on with.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
Countless television stores, radio stores, newspaper and magazine about how
journalists have been writing about the actions of media, writing
about stuff that.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
Has been leaked.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
I remember when I was in Fort Worth, been a
city hall reporter for the Star Telegram, when I was
being leaked information about the lousy housing department there. This
is what journalists do every day. And so in that
clip when Andy was talking about well you're an American, yes,
but it has nothing to do with the issue. Do

(02:20:40):
you understand Nixon wanted to put Catherine and Graham, the
publisher of the Washington Post, through the ringer the New
York Times as well. I just told you they wanted
to actually try black newspaper publishers for treason.

Speaker 2 (02:20:55):
So what are we talking about here.

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
If you're gonna be on radio, to be on urban radio,
my god, have some facts to back it up, please,
by all means. But when you put these things out
to the public, the public doesn't know about these things.
I dare say the young audience of the breakfast club
they don't know. I'm not assuming, but I'm more than

(02:21:19):
likely they ain't got no clue up to my life massacred.
They got no clue about the Pentagon papers. They got
no clue about these many instances where journalists have actually
done this reporting. It has nothing to do with being
an American. It's nothing to do with being a Texan
or being a Houstonian.

Speaker 2 (02:21:36):
When you are a reporter, you.

Speaker 1 (02:21:38):
May have to report some things that government officials don't like.
I've had countless run ins with mayors and city council
members and state legislators, members of Congress.

Speaker 2 (02:21:51):
My job is not to serve them.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
Has nothing to do with about all the flag and
all my god might hurt the military. No, it's called
the public interest, the public interest. And so when I
saw that clip, I was like and then yeah, yeah,
I said.

Speaker 2 (02:22:09):
Nvia text, I was like, bro, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
I need black targeted media because the breakfast club is
not black owned heart I Heart Radio owns.

Speaker 2 (02:22:21):
The Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (02:22:22):
But I need if we're going to be having conversations,
I need us giving factual conversations to black people. And
the role of journalist it's not about waving the flag.
Why was Phil Donna Hughes show on MSNBC canceled during
the Iraq War because oh no, no, no, we're gonna

(02:22:46):
be waving the flag. We now know because of some
journalists with Night Ritter.

Speaker 2 (02:22:56):
Who were doing the work.

Speaker 1 (02:22:59):
And when they exposed what was happening in this country.
They exposed the truth about the war in a rock,
They expose the truth about weapons of mass destructions, they
exposed that. So what do we say they should have
been doing their job when the numerous journalists were reporting.

Speaker 2 (02:23:25):
What happened.

Speaker 1 (02:23:26):
When journalists got pimped Judith Miller New York Times who
used ran these stories of an Iraqi national describing a
program of weapons of mass destruction and never existed. All
of that stuff could not be incorroborated. This is why

(02:23:49):
you need a strong fourth estate. This is why you
need journalist. There's a difference between somebody talking of the
radio and somebody reporting the news, and the difference between
somebody who's out there gathering the facts did somebody expounding
on what they read? And so I just need our

(02:24:12):
people to understand. I need our people to understand that
what Jeffrey Goldberg did here, Jeffrey Goldberg did nothing wrong.
Jeffrey Goldberg is an editor in chief of the Atlantic.
He was added to a signal group. Do y'all understand that, again,

(02:24:33):
what they were doing was against the law. They were
brazenly and openly having conversations in a single chat group
about the attacks in Gimen. Let me repeat again, pull
the graphic up. I need to show y'all who was
on there. National Security Advisor Waltz, Vice President JD. Vance

(02:24:58):
pete Heck said, Defense Kitarry Susan Wilder's chief of staff,
Marco Rubio, Secretary of State. You got Tosa Gabbert, the
Director of National Intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence, meaning
all of the intelligence agencies reporting her, Ratcliffe, head of

(02:25:18):
the CIA, Stephen Miller top eighth, the Trump the leading
negotiated Whitcaw who was in my skou at the time
when he was in the group. That envy is why
Goldberg reported the story, because the American people should know
at that the entire apparatus of the United States Foreign

(02:25:42):
Service Group, if you will, we're having a conversation where
somebody allowed a journalist, somebody without without security clearance, into
a conversation to listen to actual truth movements and actions

(02:26:04):
taken by natas military. You damn right, Jeffrey Goldberg should
have reported this. This is what our job is simple.
Was that final comment from our panel on this, Randy?

Speaker 4 (02:26:21):
You first, journalists are the people who provide the truth
for us. They allow us to make the decisions. I mean,
they are so vital to America. It's I mean, everything
you said it was just what was spot on. I
don't think that Goldberg, he's not an influencer. I don't
think he's worried about clicks. He likes that he is

(02:26:41):
worried about being true to his profession, and that really
makes him a true American.

Speaker 19 (02:26:51):
He did not believe.

Speaker 23 (02:26:54):
What he was seeing and he was very, very reserved
about it. Ultimately, he didn't post the operational details. So
everything that NV seems to be worried about, he did.

Speaker 19 (02:27:04):
Not post on.

Speaker 23 (02:27:06):
He did not reveal those things, even though he was
privy to them.

Speaker 19 (02:27:09):
And the other part is, at the end of the.

Speaker 23 (02:27:11):
Day, this is news something being done that's against national
security interests and possibly breaking the law.

Speaker 19 (02:27:21):
That is the definition, the quintessential definition of news.

Speaker 23 (02:27:24):
But it's not news that these guys are incompetent, that
the intelligence community people that are leading it is not
necessarily so intelligent. And so the idea that this is
one of the reasons in one of the ways in
which they're not so intelligent and don't have it together
is absolutely news. But the cats already out of the bag,
and that is not this particular person's fault.

Speaker 35 (02:27:46):
Well, Stava, the role of journalism is to place a
spotlight on the truth, even when truth is inconvenient, dangerous,
or denied.

Speaker 1 (02:27:58):
Indeed, indeed, and folks, this go to my iPad, this
night ridder, how a small team of US journalists got
it right on a Rock, twenty years after the US
invasion of a Rock. The reporting team at Night Ridder
shares how they debunk the Bush administration's relentless march to war.

Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
Y'all, their reporting took place in real time.

Speaker 1 (02:28:20):
If people had listened to these reporters at Night Ridder,
we would not have entered that war and you would
not have had thousands thousands of people die unnecessarily because
the war was not about WMD's. It was about oil,
simple as that. Joe Randy Mustafa. I appreciate y'all being
on today's show. Thank you so very much.

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