Trump Harvard student visa ban blocked, Bernie Sanders rips Dems, Diddy trial, Dire economic warning

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
So that Friday, May twenty third, twenty twenty five, coming
up on Roland Martin Unfilter Street Me Live on the
Black Starting Network. Guess what, folks, Harbor got a Tipperary
win a federal judges block he is in the current
administration from revoking the university's ability to enroll international students.
Senator Bernie Sanders isn't holding back. On the Flavoring podcast,

(00:42):
he called out the Democratic Party in a big way.
Also again whined about identity politics and I told y'all
if he keeps doing that, I got some words for him.
Also this week, the rapper that they're known as kid
Quity testified about his relationship with Cassie legal analyst Candice Keller.
But was a breakdown the latest Indie Sean and did

(01:03):
he Comb's trial in Holly Springs, Mississippi. Folks are standing
their ground. A viral video captures what happened when a
white man brought racist energy to the wrong bar. They
stripped his ass butt naked and beat the hell out
of him. Also, we know Donald Trump is dumb, we
also know he is a grifter. Last night he had

(01:25):
a private dinner for investors in his coin and they
openly admit. Yeah, we're trying to sit here and curry
favor with him. Also, the White House live but calling
this his personal time. So why was the President of
Seal on the podium when he spoke. Also, we know
that boy ain't smart, so when he critic tried to
criticize Harvard and remedial students, he couldn't even talk, right, y'all.

(01:50):
It's a lot. We're gonna break down. It's time to
bring the phone on rolling markin unfiltered of a black
Sudden network. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Then he's got scoo, the fact the fine Winna blaks.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
He's right on top and is rolling.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Best believe he's going putting it down.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Trump's Loston news to politics with entertainment, just bookcakes. He's golen,
it's rolled in butted. Yeah, he's broke, he's breast, she's real.

(02:33):
Good question, No, he's rolling.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
In fonte Well. Federal judges continue to kick Donald Trump's
administration in their butts when it comes to the law,
and they keep kicking their butts in court. A federal

(02:56):
judge rule that the administration, uh, they stopped them from
trying to bar Harvard from enrolling international students. More than
six thousand students go to Harvard. They come from all
across the country. In her ruling, district Judge Allison Burroughs
put a timporary restraining order in place, stopping the government's
directive just days before graduation, bringing some relief to students

(03:16):
and the faculty caught the chaos. See, these idiots actually
said that they did not comply with a list of
demands in seventy two hours. Then not only could they
not enroll any international students, they also couldn't even they
will force those students they are now to transferred. Yeah,
that's how stupid these people literally are. They're dumb. They're

(03:38):
really really dumb. And not only that. Trump, in one
of his usual nonsensical musings in the Oval office, he
was asked about this, And if y'all want to see
how just incompetent this man is, listen to him complain

(04:01):
about the students. But then he don't even know how
to talk. So he's complaining about Harvard international students needing
remedial math. But hell he I think he needs some
remedial speech communications. Check this here out, y'all. The best

(04:21):
and greatest word, I do, I do but a lot
of the people need remedial math. Did you see that
where these students can't end to and two and.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
They go to Harvard they want remedial math and they're
going to teach remedial math at Harvard.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
No wait a minute, so why would they get in?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
How can somebody that can We know for a fact
this fool can't even read. I mean he loves to
he loves to rip everybody else, but he's that dumb.
He can't even read. Uh, and so he ain't the
bright his bulb in a dark room, and so uh,

(05:03):
he loves to call other people low IQ and and
things along those lines. But no, you're the idiot. You're
the one you can't read.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
He sits here and lies, makes stuff up, says all
sorts of crazy things. Uh that how are you gonna
question somebody else educational skills? Matt Madding civil wright's attorney
out of Corpus Christi Jones Us Raven Schwam Curtis content
creator and speaker out of Chicago. Uh. Raven's first time

(05:39):
on the show. So she gets hazed.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Dosto Santiago I leave former Senior Advisor for Environmental Justice
of the EPA out of DC as well. Glad to
glad to have all three of y'all here. Uh, Matt, listen,
for lawyers, there's got to be a whole lot to
constantly look at these idiots. Uh, and they keep getting
as woo. I mean Trump judges, Obama Biden judges. I mean,

(06:06):
thank goodness that even when you have conservative appointed judges,
they still understand there's a thing called the law.

Speaker 9 (06:14):
Yeah, and you can actually move for sanctions if somebody
has brought a case that is you know, baseless or
groundless or that they know is frivolous.

Speaker 10 (06:22):
And that's what we're really seeing DJ and.

Speaker 9 (06:24):
Mister Trump doing is I mean, they're using the courts
obviously to try to further their ideological goals. But a
lot of these are baseless cases, the same way they
were when there were the you know, election denial cases.
Regarding all of these, this alleged election fraud that if
I remember correctly, was never proven in a court of
now never and it was routinely just decried by the

(06:46):
courts is not having any value.

Speaker 10 (06:48):
So none of this is new.

Speaker 9 (06:49):
And you know, it's interesting that you talk about how
unintelligent he is because Donald Trump went to Wharton, right Now,
why did he get into Wharton?

Speaker 10 (06:56):
Likely because he had money and they were able to
buy their way.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Into ornetic cut a check.

Speaker 10 (07:01):
That's how he got in precisely right.

Speaker 9 (07:03):
But for most people out there and know this, but
you know, Wharton is like one of the top business
schools perennially in the country, So it's nothing to shrug at.
And to go to a school like that and then
to routinely be saying some of the things that he's
saying and displaying some of the lack of intelligence that
he's displaying, you know, is a problematic thing.

Speaker 10 (07:21):
And it's interesting.

Speaker 9 (07:22):
Because it's this juxtaposition between like, the elites are bad,
you know, these bad people are at the top of
the heap, are the people we need to get rid of,
we need to quote drain the swamp. But he's in
that same rarefied air as the kind of people who
go to Wharton and Harvard and you know, the kinds
of people who are able to exist in certain echelons.
So I say all of that to say that there's

(07:43):
a cognitive dissonance there as we see with everything coming
out of the Trump administration, the way that they're playing
their base and trying to put on this show as
though you know, they don't like Harvard or any of
these other elite places despite being products of them. But
you know, I don't know how he got into Wharton,
but I would like to know how big check was.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
We'll check this out. Raven Pete Davidson was on Sarah
Knite Live and he talked about the radio interview, how
the idiot really can't read Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 (08:13):
You were telling me, I have one story I'm allowed
to tell, and it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Do you have stories to tell?

Speaker 11 (08:20):
What happened with the trump stary guy? So he's like,
he doesn't really know how to read for real. Yeah,
and he loves to improv. So during like the table read,
he like before like we were gonna read each before
he had to.

Speaker 12 (08:36):
Read each line. And he's the host, so he's at everything. Yeah,
he would go, uh, I'm not going to say this.
I think to say it the way I want to say.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Is it okay? Is it okay? Lauren?

Speaker 10 (08:44):
Is everything?

Speaker 8 (08:45):
Literally?

Speaker 10 (08:46):
Everybody's like what?

Speaker 12 (08:48):
And then this is my favorite part is there was
a sketch that we wrote where he's at Disneyland with
his daughter and the line is, uh, all right, let's
get out of here, Turkey legs, Like let's like go
get turkey legs. And he doesn't know how to read,
so he went, all right, let's get out of here,
turkey legs. He called his daughter turkey legs. That was

(09:14):
his improv Oh no, And then he looked at like
he doesn't get it, Like he thinks if everybody's laughing
with him, but we're all laughing at him, and it
was like crazy for he would be like, I did
a good job, right.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
And we're like, didn't need reassurance a lot of reassurance
or was.

Speaker 12 (09:29):
He pretty constantly kept saying how amazing the ratings were
gonna be, and then he's.

Speaker 10 (09:34):
Like, this isna, that's what he is.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So him call somebody else incompetent low OQ needing needing
remedia math. Yeah, how about you, dude, mister six time bankruptster,
the bankruptcy man.

Speaker 13 (09:53):
I mean, I think what we see in Donald Trump,
to build on your point, is really just someone who
is emblematic of the rise of anti in intellectualism in
this country.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right.

Speaker 14 (10:02):
To me, the right is emblematic of emblematic of that.

Speaker 13 (10:04):
I don't know when it's stopp being cool to be
smart and nerdy and intellectual and thoughtful and capacious in
your thinking. But apparently that's where we're at as a country.
And that's a really sad day. And I think we see,
you know, that position and that politics really manifesting in
his isolationist position that he's taking up, particularly as it
pertains to international students. You have to be deeply, deeply

(10:27):
ahistorical as an individual to believe that international students and
workers and folks who immigrate to this country don't add
tremendous value to this nation, right, aren't building these institutions
this nation, our research, our infrastructure, brick by brick, side
by side with us. That is a fundamentally anti intellectual

(10:48):
position to take up. And so yeah, I mean, I
think it's rich that he's out here, Colin, you know,
Congressman Al Green low IQ and can barely barely bring
a sentence together himself, And also know that he's brazenly
weaponizing anti semitism to enact this anti intellectual politics, because
that's what we're seeing play out on these college campuses,

(11:10):
this taking up supposedly of we're combating anti semitism to
attack higher education, to take away funding from critical research
that has nothing to do with what it is they
say they care about, right, which is supposedly cracking down
on anti Semitism, But what they're actually doing is pushing
people who are already on the margins further further to
the margins, and doing it on behalf of people, myself

(11:32):
included as a black and Jewish woman, who did not
ask them to do it for us. So I mean,
all in all, I think it's really just a shanda.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
A shame.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Musdapa. You know we've ben talked about anti intellectualism. It's
because they like their supporters dumb.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
You know, there's a lot of truth in that.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Because you have low information voters, it's so much easier
to be able to pull the wool over their eyes,
to have folks who just operate off of bumper sticker
sort of language and not have to dive deep on
the critical issues that will have impacts in your life.
You know, and of course we know that Trump is
all about disinformation. When you talk about somebody who is

(12:14):
uneducated and someone who has a lack of skills, all you.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Got to do is go back and look at what
he tries to hide.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Now, folks may remember when Michael Cohen actually came to
Capitol Hill and shared during that hearing that he had
to draft letters both to Trump's high school, to Fordham
and to Wharton so that you could never take a
look at his transcripts.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
So we know that you got that dynamic going on.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
We also know, and it's been proven that he said
that he graduated first in his class.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
It was another untrue.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
So for him to degrade international students is really interesting
because the all of us who have went to college
or not even college, just in other situations witholks have
come from other countries. They often speak multiple languages, They often,
you know, maybe had already been a professional in their
country and they came here to get the additional education

(13:12):
to be able to practice whatever it is law or
medicine or dentistry or a number of other things.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
So once again, this is the disinformation.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
This is trying to rewrite both history that's happening in
this moment and in the past. And we just have
to make sure that we continue to place the spotlight
on both the misinformation and the disinformation that they continue
to push forward.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Absolutely, because he's a liar, they are liars. That's who
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Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, Santa Bernie Samers is doing his usual tacking the
Democratic Party. He's still upset because he lost the twenty
sixteen nomination because many of the party's officials got behind
Hillary Clinton and not him. So he went on The
Andrews Show's podcast and talked about a number of things,

(15:45):
and then he claims that the party is not for
the people. Okay, all right, listen to this. I have
to ask this. I sorry, I hate to interrupt you.
We have a question. We want to ask about what
happened to you in twenty sixteen with this Bernie Brose
movement where.

Speaker 9 (16:04):
You're your followers are seeing they have a racism problem,
massaging problem.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Do you think that's a superPAC thing behind that?

Speaker 19 (16:10):
No, that was the Democratic establishment. Oh wow, okay, yeah,
that was just they were sitting there. We had a
lot of young people, we have people of color, and
they create this kind of myth with the help of
the corporate media and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know.

Speaker 20 (16:23):
It's kind of interesting to that note is during this election,
the podcast space, which the Democrats largely avoided, they feel
had some influence in the election, and they started to
label us the podcast bros and said that we were
sexist and we were racists and bigoted. It's almost like

(16:43):
it's the exact same strategy to get you out of there.

Speaker 19 (16:46):
Yeah, that's what the liberally China does. They run away,
look getting again. I would hope that everybody who's watching
the program is that we as a nation of kind
to and we'll forms a biggotreat right. Yes, that I
thought off as a basic assumption unless I see your
close friends. Right, it's racism, but sexism, homophobia or xenophobia,

(17:10):
whatever it is. But and you know, liberal Democrats talk
about that all the time. And then you get to
what we call identity politics. That you're black, you're wonderful,
you're tremendous, you're gay, you're the greatest human being on earth.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yea, And rather than say what do you what do
you stand for? Exactly? Yah, that's fine. Who cares, But
what do you stand for?

Speaker 19 (17:32):
Yeah, you know it is every gay person brilliant and
wonderful and great.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Now of course that everybody's human being.

Speaker 19 (17:37):
Yeah, So the issue is what you stand for, which
huts you back to what we discuss ear the class
politics in the sense of which side are you on.
Are you going to stand with working families? Are you
going to raise the minimum wage to a living wage
or not? Are you going to guarantee fight to guarantee
healthcare to all people or not? Are you going to

(17:59):
demand that the wealthiest people stop paying their fair share
of taxes or what?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Those are the issues, and no one cares.

Speaker 21 (18:05):
What color you all?

Speaker 19 (18:06):
You know, what your gender is, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Okay, allow me to unpack what you just heard. If
there's been a blind spot of Senator Bernie Sanders for
a very long time, it's on this issue of race.
Were there African Americans supporting Senator Bernie Sanders, Yes, being
jealous Cornell West and others. But the reality is Bernie

(18:32):
Sanders had a black problem. He did. Bernie Sanders could
not get the black vote. Bernie Sanders right now still
complains about what happened in twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty,
and he's convinced that he was going to get the nomination.
And then there are people who are far left progressives

(18:53):
who believe that I don't. I don't because the reality
is he year America is not a far left progressive nation.
It is not we can sit here and play games
that we want to. But the fact of the matter is,
it's not you're a Democrat. You're likely gonna have to

(19:13):
be a centrist or close to a centrist because part
of the problem the Democratic Party is a tent is
so big, and frankly, it's not as narrow as the
Republican Party. Okay, the other thing is this here, Bernie
Sanders really has a problem with what he keeps calling
identity politics. Bernie Sanders sounds like a right winger when

(19:38):
he does see he keeps saying the whole deal, Oh
you're black, and oh you're you're gay, You're great, you're amazing. Well,
first of all, Bernie, there was a reason that was
a song called say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud.
There's a reason ROBERTA. Flat and Donna Hathaway had their

(19:58):
song as well that there's a re read the Franklin
and remade his own respect after Oldest Redding did it,
and it actually came a women's anthem. Bernie Sanders doesn't
want to deal with the reality that, yes, in this country, women,
especially black women, have been grotesque, grotestically marginalized, and we
know what happened to afric Americans not not No, So

(20:20):
Bernie's supporters right now say we're rolling. Wait a minute,
he was riding hard with Reverend Jackson, he was working
on the campaign web. Yes, that's absolutely true. But it's
not like Vermont does not have issues with mass incarceration.
It does not like does not. It's not like Vermont does.
They have issues when it comes to race. See. I

(20:42):
just want people to understand really what what we're dealing
with here. And I remember when when this was a
couple of years ago, maybe three years ago, I can't remember,
Bernie had done an interview with GQ and was complaining
railing against rolling against, railing against all these ideas politics.
And I remember sending a text message to the guy

(21:06):
who ran his campaign, Jeff Weaver, who was with our Revolution.
I said, Jeff, I'm to tell you right now Bernie
Senters keeps doing this, I'm gonna light his ass up.
So Jeff's like, hey, hey, can I send up a
meeting between you and the Centator. Yes you can. So
I went to Capitol Hill and I met with him,
and I told Senator Bernie Senders to his face, I said,

(21:30):
you keep railing against identity politics, and what you don't
understand is you're speaking negatively about black people. See Bernie's
whole view is this thing is about class. Nah, bro,
now this is about class. You could be black in

(21:50):
upper class, middle class, lower class, your ass still black.
This is Bernie's problem. See, Bernie Sanders doesn't want to
admit that, yes, Bernie Rose were sexists. Some were sexist,
some are racist. There's a reason why a number of

(22:11):
former Bernie Rose supporting Trump because what Senator Bernie Sanders represents.
And I'm telling y'all I noticed see people don't understand
why they're so whether the symniotic relationship because Senator Bernie
Sanders and Donald Trump in many ways are the same
tear the system down. So the people that back them

(22:34):
are like, yo, tear this shit down. I don't give
a damn tear down. It's very similar language, so they
identify with one another. And so the Bernie people, the
Conressle Jim Clyburn, first of all, Conressle Jim Clyburn endorsed

(23:00):
then Vice President Biden. He couldn't cast every ballot. Const
Jim Clyburn represents one congressional district in South Carolina. He
don't control the whole state. Do people respect him, yes,
do they value his perspective, yes, But people made individual decisions.

(23:24):
And see, this is what Bernie Sanders and all of
these other white progressives don't understand. Black people are some
of the smartest political minds you will find. So let
me tell. Let me show y'all what happened in twenty
twenty black people. So remember Iowa, well, I think bulla

(23:49):
judge one. Then they went to Nevada, Bernie one at
the caucus. There they come to South Carolina. And if
y'all want to see the racism among these white Democrats,
especially Bernie's people, they ship it all over the black

(24:10):
These are black, they're black. They rule, we have no
chance of winning the state, so we don't care what
they think. Really, here's what black people did in twenty twenty.
Black people went who do I think can beat Trump?

(24:40):
Black people said, we got Vice President Kama Harris, we
got to send the court booker. We got Pete Boodha Judge.
We got Amy Klobashar, we got Tulci Gabbert, late En
Bloomberg jumped in Deval Patrick, jumped in Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders.

(25:06):
I know I'm leaving off by two or three people,
but that literally was a democratic field. And black people went,
who do we think can beat this white man Trump?

(25:29):
This white man right here, this old white man, we
think he can beat Trump? And they picked Biden. Was
Vice President Biden? The most charismatic candidate? Nope, was Vice

(25:50):
President Biden, the most energetic candidate. Nope. Black people are
pragmatic voters. Black people say, anybody forget Black people weren't
sitting here riding for Obama. August of two thousand and eight. Hell,

(26:13):
he was down two thousand August two thousand and seven,
he was down twenty points to Hillary Clinton. His black
numbers were real low because black people are like, man,
I don't know this brother got shot. Because black people said,
I don't know white folks gonna vote for him. See,
we gotta wake up to a reality. Seventy one percent

(26:35):
of the electorate in twenty twenty four were white voters.
If you put all the black voters in, Hispanic voters
and Asian voters and Native American voters all together, you
get twenty nine percent. So Bernie Sanders is still bothered,
so Bernie because he lost. So then Bernie Sanders talked

(26:59):
about the elaps, the elites, and you know, this is
what the elites shay, and this is what the elites think. Well, Bernie,
can you please name the elites? I see. This is
why I don't let people get away with that language.

(27:20):
It's the elites. Name them, name them. People. Go well, Bernie,
how many bills have you actually passed? It's a fair question.
So he is still bothered because he could not get

(27:44):
the votes, and Brianna and all these people get running around. Oh,
he didn't have a fair shot. No, Bernie Sayers would
have gotten dusted even more so because you know what
they would have did to him. What is what they
hell they did to Obama? They did to Biden? Socialists?

(28:09):
How well did the Republicans calling Biden a socialist work
in Florida? What the hell do you think they would
have called Senta Bernie Sanders. So Senator Bernie Sanders keeps
talking about class. Okay, let's see here Bernie Sanders and

(28:39):
AOC tour and they keep talking about, oh my god,
how popular they are among Democrats. Okay. So it was
the fighting olagarky tour. Okay. So they went to just

(29:06):
keep it right here, keep it on me. So they
went to Omaha, Nebraska as the first stop. Y'all know,
in Nebraska it's a sea of red and it's a
blue dot. That's Omaha. They went to Las Vegas. Then
they went to Denver, then they went to La. Okay,

(29:39):
they didn't go to West Virginia. Then they go to
North Carolina. They didn't go to Georgia. They go to Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas.
I can keep naming them. If Senter Senters wants to

(30:01):
have a conversation about class, won't you go where the
class discreptive discripancies really are. I'll be honest with y'all,
being a Democrat and doing a tour fighting oligarchy and

(30:24):
going to Omaha, Denver, Las Vegas, in LA. That shit
ain't fight. First of all, help me understand something. See y'all,
since we really want to go there, you say it's
about class. You keep talking about working class, working class,
working class, working class. How many working class people do.

Speaker 22 (30:49):
You know walk around going so Mustafa, what are your
thoughts that oligarchy? They don't say that, I mean use
those phrases. So you're talking about how we're not for
the people, we're not for the.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
No senators, senators and AOC are actually talking to the
leads him sitting down with those four dudes. I I

(31:28):
have never received an invite from Senator Bernie. Matter of fact,
I'm just gonna go ahead and gain before I go
to my pan. I'm about to mess all up. When
Bernie Sanders ran for president, Bernie says wasn't doing no
black menia, that that his folks are trying to get

(31:51):
him to do it. I called Marcus Pharrell, called Teslin Figureo,
call a sister. Who's his campaign y'all. I'm trying to
tell y'all they were trying to get him to do that.
We booked him on the time during the morning show.
Let me tell you what happened. I got the test message,
don't make me pull out of the seats. Bernie was

(32:11):
out West, he canceled, I lift that a ass up,
being jealous, called me yo, row hold up the boy,
you go awfu on social let me work on it,
being jealous, hit dog. You cannot cancel the Times on
the Morning show because he didn't think it was important. Now,

(32:35):
he eventually came on because like, well, you know, that's
just too early, mean to get up. You run off
a fucking president. Get your ass up. That video we
just showed, y'all is the Achilles Heel of Bernie Sanders

(32:58):
is that he acts like you can remove race and
only focus on class, and that is absolutely stupid. And
he keeps making the same mistake. And I'm just gonna
let you know, Senator, you were never going to get

(33:18):
the nomination because you could not win enough core voters
to get it, and the places that were not gonna
vote for you, you could not get black votes in
any of those southern states, including North Carolina and Georgia.

(33:40):
So can we please stop fooling ourselves with this ridiculous
game of you going on podcast with mostly white dudes
whining about the elites when it's actually the elites that
support you. We'll start for you first.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
You know what's interesting.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I've sat down with him in meetings, you know, done
different interviews with him, and there is a problem that exists.
And I don't know if it's a part of politics
or what it is, but we love to extract race
out of the conversation and try and replace it with class.
And we have huge sets of examples, all kinds of

(34:24):
studies that are out there that show where the real
disparities lie. That's not to say that if you're poor
or lower wealth and white that you're not impacted, but
we know there is a difference in that. And I
don't know why he has not yet evolved into understanding
that when you extract race, you are sending a message

(34:45):
to the folks who are dealing with and carrying that
burden that this country places upon them. I'll all, you know,
I've sat in this before and heard how conversations with
one set of folks went, and then I'm sitting outside
in the chair sort of digesting the meeting I just
came out of, and then heard how conversations went with

(35:06):
a different set of folks who look different than the
people who were in the room when I was in there,
And there was more time given. Now, I understand I
worked on Capitol Hill and sometimes you may have limited time,
but I would expect it to be equity in that
from an individual who says that they are for the people,
So you know, it's just a real interesting thing. The

(35:27):
other part of it is is that if you're really
about you know the folks are being impacted, then you
have to go and spend time with them. Not spend
time with them on the campaign trail, but you actually
got to spend time with everyday folks on their back porch,
in their kitchens, having conversations with them so that you've
ground truth what's going on, so there's real authenticity in

(35:49):
what you're sharing. I say that because when politicians come,
you know, whether it's Mississippi or West Virginia or a
whole bunch of other places. If you're a millionaire, it's
sometimes hard for people to actually believe that you understand
what they're dealing with on the daily basis, when you're
trying to keep the lights on, put food on the table,
trying to figure out, you know, how you're going to

(36:10):
pay for asthma medicine, or if you're going to actually
have to go and pay the rent. So you know,
you've got these individuals whom I think have some real caring,
but there's this huge disconnect between what they're sharing and
what they're doing. There's a quote that says, I can't
believe what you say because I see what you do. Folks,

(36:32):
you need to really take that to heart if they
want to be authentic in helping folks who have been
vulnerable or who have been unseen and unheard.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Dang raven Democrats haven't done enough for working class people.
The last administration was the most pro union administration since FDR.
What the hell is he talking about?

Speaker 13 (36:58):
You know, I'll start by saying that I really like
a lot of Bernie Sanders politics and positionalities.

Speaker 14 (37:04):
I think he gets a lot right.

Speaker 13 (37:06):
But to affirm what you all have been saying, I
think in this instance, he really missed the mark, and
I kind of want to scaffold out why the mark
was missed.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
First of all, when.

Speaker 13 (37:14):
We're talking about a class analysis, a class analysis that
does not also account for gender, for race, for sexuality,
for disability is an incomplete class analysis. So even this
idea of talking about class in a way that is
devoid of identity Also, socioeconomic status is an identitarian factor.
It is one that is porous and that changes and moves,

(37:36):
but it is still an identitarian factor. So to frame
it as if it's completely separate from these other lived
experiences is a faulty place to start. The two things
I want to talk about in this situation. First is
this idea that the liberal elites are levying these unfair
claims of bigotry. And secondly, this idea that identity politics
is devoid of utility or isn't working for us. That

(38:00):
first point, when we're talking about the liberal elites, whatever
that means in Bernie Sanders' imagination, there's an important distinction
to be made here. There is a difference between accountability
and moral absolutism. One thing I think we do very
very well on the left is.

Speaker 10 (38:18):
We hold people accountable.

Speaker 17 (38:20):
We do not.

Speaker 14 (38:21):
We do not worship our politicians.

Speaker 13 (38:24):
When politicians do right by us, we praise them, and
when they do wrong by us, we hold.

Speaker 14 (38:28):
Their feet by the fire.

Speaker 13 (38:29):
And I do think that is a huge distinguishing factor
between how we move on the left and how they
move on the right. The right feels way more cultish
to me. They fall in line, okay, And so I
value that on the left we have the ability to
hold people accountable when it matters. Now, where that gets dangerous,
and where I sort of see where Bernie Sanders is
coming from, is when that veers into moral absolutism. This

(38:50):
idea that my positionality is the absolute correct one, and
anyone who doesn't fall exactly where I do in this
spectrum of belief is somehow inherently wrong.

Speaker 14 (38:59):
That isus.

Speaker 13 (39:00):
And I think that's where our coalition falls apart sometimes
because we opt into these charcerl logics of discarding one
another when someone isn't perfect. And at the end of
the day, perfection is white supremacy culture. Expecting perfection as
white supremacy culture, and I think that is a very
very dangerous trap that we do fall into sometimes. But
that accountability piece is still there, and we do get
it right a lot. And so I think it's also

(39:20):
intellectually lazy to imply that when we hold these manosphere
podcasters on the Internet like Andrew Schultz accountable and call
them bigoted or call out moments of big a tree,
that that is not true or is always false, or
somehow just this liberal elite tactic. The last thing I
want to talk about is identity politics, because real talk

(39:41):
Bernie Sanders doesn't understand what identity politics is. And I'm
going to break it down for you. I have a
master's degree in African American studies. I'm deeply learned and
read in black feminisms. And I say feminisms with an
S intentionally if you know, you know, black feminists coined
the term identity politics.

Speaker 14 (39:59):
Okay, the term.

Speaker 13 (40:00):
Identity politics was coined in the Combaha River Collective Statement,
which is a statement that was made by a cohort
of black women in the late nineteen seventies. In this statement,
they break it down for us, and I have the
quote for you because I like to bring my receipts.

Speaker 14 (40:13):
Very briefly, they say in the.

Speaker 13 (40:15):
Statement quote, this focusing upon our own oppression is embodied
in the concept of identity politics.

Speaker 14 (40:21):
We believe that the most profound and.

Speaker 13 (40:22):
Potentially most radical politics come directly out of our own identity,
as opposed to working to end somebody else's oppression. So
what that means is, in this moment where the women's
liberation movement is not contending seriously with race and the
black liberation movement is not contending seriously enough with gender.
This cohort of black women are like, you know what,
We're going to focus on getting us free because we

(40:43):
fundamentally believe that if we can figure out how to
get us free, we'll figure out how to get everyone
else free, because our oppression is interlocking with everyone else.
So to focus on oneself, to turn in on oneself
as a particular sort of political taking upright that is
being offered through identity politics, that is not what Bernie
Sanders is saying. He demonstrates he doesn't understand what identity
politics is. His reading of identity politics is well, I'm

(41:05):
black and they're black, so they can do no wrong,
so I'm team them.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
No.

Speaker 13 (41:09):
If that were the case, then I'd be rocking with
Candice Owens and I'd be rocking McLaren's Thomas, And I'm
not for me.

Speaker 14 (41:15):
That's not the end all be all.

Speaker 13 (41:16):
And in that sense, I hear what he's saying, right,
it's not necessarily about how one identifies. It's like, what
are your politics? Do you want to get free the
way I want to get free? If you do, you're
my people. I don't care what your identity is beyond
that right, if you want to get free the way
I want to get free, dope, But to what are
down identity politics, to this weird identitarian solely based fidelity

(41:38):
is anti It's just untrue.

Speaker 14 (41:41):
It's not rooted in truth. And frankly erases the labor.

Speaker 13 (41:44):
Of black feminists who created identity politics as a particular
way of imagining freedom in the first place, and some
of that I definitely hold him culpable for. But also
I think a lot of that is just emblematic of
how people relate to language. This is not the first
time that as a community we've invented language to imagine
our own freedom, and it has been taken up and
distorted and turned into something that it was never intended

(42:06):
to be, and made to perform work that it was
never intended to perform. And I think we see that
really showing out in this conversation he's having with Andrew Schultz.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Sorry, Matt, you have to follow that.

Speaker 9 (42:17):
Yeah, I definitely don't want to follow that, but I
am I am going to steal that rhetoric of I
think she said talking ourselves into car sooral positions, which
is just chef's kiss.

Speaker 10 (42:27):
I mean, what a beautiful way to say that, because I.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
Think that's emblematic of a lot of what we hear
when we have these conversations about the silos and the
far ends of the spectrum when we're having conversations about politics.

Speaker 10 (42:39):
So I think that's a great way to frame it.
But all I'll add is this really in two parts.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
The first thing is I think there a nuanced analysis
allows us to look at what Bernie's saying and see
if there's any value there.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
I will say, I have a lawyer that I have
lunch with often. He's a dear friend of mine.

Speaker 9 (42:56):
I went out with him in a group of people
today and he has told me more times than I
can count that he feels the Democratic Party failed by
focusing on too many discrete identity issues. That doesn't necessarily
mean he's right, that doesn't mean he's got all of
the bona fides for electoral politics that some of the
people on this panel do.

Speaker 10 (43:14):
But I do think it's important that.

Speaker 9 (43:16):
There's at least some sentiment out there, that there's some
contingent of people in the Democratic Party who think there's
been too much focus on identity politics. I don't necessarily
agree with that, but I think Bernie is speaking to
that to some extent, and I think in order to
think critically and to analyze this truthfully, we have to
consider if there's any value in that statement. Now, the
full stop part of that is the reality is Raven's

(43:37):
exactly right. I think on the left we do hold
people accountable when we think they've done wrong. But what
we do not do is we don't parse out what
they're saying and what they actually mean, and what makes
sense and what doesn't make sense.

Speaker 10 (43:49):
And the irony of all of this is the United
States is definitely an oligarchy.

Speaker 9 (43:52):
We know that, but both Forbes and Yahoo Finance in
the last two years have published numbers that say the
number of households in the United States of America that
have a million dollars or more are between eight point
eight percent and like twelve percent. So let's call the
average ten percent. That means if Bernie is worth more
than a million dollars, which my understanding is he's worth
more than three million dollars.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
He's in that rarefied air.

Speaker 9 (44:15):
So I tell you that to say populism is leverageable,
you see it on both sides of the political aisle.

Speaker 10 (44:20):
You see it with Bernie, and you see it with
mister Trump. That's exactly what mister Trump has tried to
do in his base in.

Speaker 9 (44:26):
Riling up poor people in Southern States, primarily white people,
telling them that the government is you know, too involved
in their lives and taking away things that they're just
as reliant on as the people he decries that don't
look like them, you know, black and brown people and
people in urban population centers. I say all of that
to say, I think some of that is true with Bernie.
I think for a long time he has just been

(44:47):
seen as this you know, perceived populist icon. But if
you look at it, he's a part of the very
oligarchy that he speaks against. So I think what we
have to do on the left is be more critical
sometimes at what we put up as our icons and
whether those icons are living the truth that they espouse.

Speaker 10 (45:03):
Number one.

Speaker 9 (45:04):
But number two, I think we have to consider, you know, electorally,
is there any value in what he's saying, Because I'm
hearing that on the ground, I'm hearing that from died
in the world democrats where they think that, And of
course that's anecdote, that's not every single person's opinion.

Speaker 10 (45:16):
But I don't think that that's a conversation we shouldn't have.
I think that is a conversation with having.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
However, I think Bernie is also an eighty three year
old man, and old people tend to say what they
say without filters, and that may not be the marching
orders we need to have as the Democratic Party going
forward for electoral success. But I have heard it with
my own ears from a man I had lunch with
today that he has the same sentiment. So I think
there's a question about what value is there, if any

(45:43):
any statement.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
All right, So okay, so let me ask this. So
when he stated that, did you say name name the issues?
Did that happen?

Speaker 10 (46:07):
I honestly don't remember what we talked about, because here's
my whole point. He didn't mention it today.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
No no, no, no no, But here's my whole point.
Here's my whole point. And I guarantee you, I guarantee you,
matter of fact, I'm not just go down the panel raven.
When that happens to you, do you say name them?

Speaker 8 (46:30):
Name them?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
In terms of like naming when.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Somebody says, oh, you know, I really think Democrats are
focusing too much on identity issues. Do the people who
say that do they ever name it? No?

Speaker 13 (46:46):
I mean, oftentimes I feel like that's just a stand
in for I don't want to take seriously the experiences
of people.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
On the market, right right, But bym said they never
name it? Hold them on second, will Stafa, When you
ever hear that frek? Do you ever hear them name it?

Speaker 21 (47:00):
No?

Speaker 6 (47:00):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Now, so let me unpact it. When I forced people
to name it, do you know what they actually do?
You know what I hear the most? Trans When I
hear the most when I forced people to answer that question,
this is this is what I've heard Black people, white people.

(47:22):
They felt that Democratic Party elevated trans issues to the
same level as African Americans and women and others, and
that that became a dominant issue. What I've heard from
people people say out their miles that they felt that
the Biden administration in so many policy was trans trans trands.

(47:47):
How do I know that that's what happened? What do
Republicans do? What was Donald Trump's most effective commercials when
he pulled the clip of Vice President of Vice President
Harris talking about surgeries for trans prisoners that actually started

(48:10):
under Trump. But here's the point that I make it
we allow people to use that phrase and not force
them to say no, no, no, name it. You keep saying,
you keep saying, oh, well, you know these I hit
the Democratic Party went too far? Name them. See. I
want them to say Democratic Party went to went too

(48:33):
far for black for Black Lives matter. Say it. I
want them to say, yeah, yeah, Democratic Party, uh, you know,
went too hard for this breaking the glass ceiling stuff
with Hillary and Kamala's say it. See we have none
of those podcasts. Is talking to Bernie one of them
made them. See these people get to throw the phrase out.

(48:55):
I see this on mainstream media. I see it. They
never forced them to name it. My deal is naming
it claimant. And I just think that that's what we
have to do. We have to start forcing people to
actually put their name on it. No no, no, no,
name me the specific issues or groups where they went

(49:16):
too far. They don't want to do that because see,
it's real easy to stay broad. That's the most to
be specific.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah, well, people roll. People don't want uncomfortable conversations. And
that's the problem that we have because if we have
people to name it and you know me. I automatically
asked for you got to show me the proof.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, they can't name woke. They can't name it's always something.
My deal is, I'm not letting them off the hook.
And Senator Bernie Sanders, I've seen him do this way
too many times. No, Bernie, I need you to name it.
When Bernie Sanders says the Correct Party has her done
anything for the working class? Shit, pull whole damn think this, this, this, this, this,

(50:02):
and then Okay, Bernie, tell me what more, what more
you want done? Tell me the bill that you sponsored
to achieve that. I'm just I'm all about accountability. I'm
not letting people off the hook. I'm not letting off
the hook. I just can't.

Speaker 23 (50:24):
So.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Uh, that's what I think what we have to do,
and between now and the midterms next year, we cannot
let people at least lock in running her ass around
uh Democratic Party for now. Hell no, I need black
folks in Michigan to put our ass on the spot
and say, no, no, no, what the hell do you
mean when you say two woke? What do you mean

(50:47):
by that? We cannot allow I mean to say, it's
very clear, this is what Senator Bernie Sanders, Senator Slocking.
This is for Senator Chris Murphy, James Carvia, all of them.
We cannot allow white Democrats to use the same language

(51:11):
as Republicans when really what they're saying is I think
we are too black. I'm gonna leave it at that.
Candas Kelly Jones's right now. Candas has been course covering
the Shawn Dittycoms trial. Can this a lot been popping
and going on? This testimony brings up to date.

Speaker 24 (51:33):
Well, Listen, this week was really interesting, especially for the prosecution,
who I think made a lot of headway. This is
not to say that Diddy is going to jail directly,
even though I think there's a very good chance. But
you know, we heard from a lot of very interesting
witness that certainly not the least of was kit cutting.
But I do want to say before I get to
kid Cutty, that we did see the mother of Cassie

(51:56):
take the stand and Regina venture very interesting. This is
so one who took out twenty thousand dollars as a
loan on her house in order to give it to
Sean Cohne. That was his request, and we really got
to see if this is true the tentacles that he
had on Cassie, not just within her confines, but within
her world, in her family group, a place that you

(52:17):
would find safety in. He was getting his mother to
give him twenty thousand dollars to twenty thousand dollars. By
the way, it was something that he said he was
recouping because he heard that Cassie was dating someone else.
We also heard from a psychologist, a forensic psychologist to
really contextualize what Cassie was going through, and we learned
about the dynamics of domestic violence and things of that nature,

(52:41):
and bonding over this type of domestic violence with someone
and being economically unstable because of somebody's.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Hold that they have on you.

Speaker 24 (52:52):
So a lot of things that we learn, But what
everyone is talking about, certainly is kid cutting. This was
the first time that he has said anything about this
particular case, and we are talking specifically about the fact.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
That his car, his Porsche, was blown up right in
his driveway. Is the first time he's talked about it.

Speaker 24 (53:09):
He did file a police report about it, but to
hear him and see him on the stand, what was
this was was was different in that regard.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
What he said was that he was dating Cassie, and
Cassie called.

Speaker 24 (53:24):
Him and told him that Sean found out about it
and that she actually gave Sean Combs his address while
she felt feared for her safety and he took her
to a hotel. At that time, he got a call
from his assistant. Allegedly, he said his assistant said she
had been kidnapped, brought to kid Cutty's home with Sean

(53:45):
Combs and another party and they were all inside of
the house. Again, this is while kid Cutty is in
a safe place with Cassie Ventura at a hotel.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
It really all unfolds like.

Speaker 10 (53:55):
A movie Roland.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
I mean, some of the details of this case are
just just incredible.

Speaker 24 (54:00):
So the burglary happened because according to law, that is
a burglary when you go into someone's house and you
are not supposed to be there. By the time kid
Cutty got back to the home, Shawn Holmes wasn't there.
But by the way, he did call Shaan Colmmes. He
said on the stand to say, are you in my house?
And he said yeah, and I'm waiting for you to
see me got there.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
His dog was in the.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Bathroom door lock.

Speaker 24 (54:24):
Christmas gifts because it was during Christmas time, he had
gone or someone had gone through a number of them.
Cutty said he believes that it was Sean. Now we
fast forward to the explosion two or three weeks later,
Maltov cocktail inside of his Porsche burns it. You can
see all the pictures online. Everything is charred. This after

(54:45):
Cassie had mentioned in her testimony that when she found them,
he found out that Cassie was dating Kid Cutty, that
he said, you.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Know what, I'm going to burn his car because of this, and.

Speaker 24 (54:58):
I'm going to explode it that happens, I'm going to
be out of the country and you won't even be
able to blame me.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
So Kid Cutty.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Believes because of this, right, this is something that he
knew ahead of time.

Speaker 24 (55:10):
Then it actually happened Rolland I'm not saying that we
have video evidence of Sean Colmb's doing it, and I'm
not even saying that he physically do it.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
But if you connect those dots, this was pretty damning testimony.

Speaker 24 (55:21):
And when we look at the Rico charge charge, one
of the charges that it takes in order to kind
of get to RICO is arson and that's what this
would be considered this would be a predykick crime for Rico.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Very good week for the prosecution.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
All right, then, Cannons, we appreciate it. Thanks a bunch,
Grab one more day weekend, right you too, folk, It's
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You gotta start letting this bigger and stronger than ever.
I mean, I have question. Season two is reloading May
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Speaker 10 (59:43):
That's the new host.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Let me tell you what they am trying to be
and big celebrity surprises.

Speaker 21 (59:48):
Get my behind.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
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Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
I'll see you there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Well Joinally right now, two of the co hosts, Dot
the Shy and Bryant and tuay Let they have both
of you here. So Doctor Bryant, let's talk about season two.
First of all, for people who don't know what Truth
Talks is, this is to be the second season of explaining.

Speaker 16 (01:00:21):
Yeah, yeah, listen, we are season two fired up.

Speaker 18 (01:00:25):
I got to give shout outs to our executive producers though,
two powerful black women, Lori and Jody Gomes, who are
financing this entire season two and show all.

Speaker 16 (01:00:36):
On their own.

Speaker 18 (01:00:36):
So I just have to put that out there because
you know, it's not often that that happens, and we're
grateful for them. But Roland season two is just I mean,
we have so many different guests coming on, you never
know who's gonna pop up. We are the only platform
that is united the multi generation of representation and voices
of black people.

Speaker 16 (01:00:56):
Okay, as we know, black media is.

Speaker 18 (01:00:58):
Being silenced and we're not a allowing that on our show.
We are speaking black, very black, standing on it, doubling
down on it, and we have four hosts with revolving
guest hosts that are going to come in and give
a different representation of what black is right. We also
blend you know, politics to trendsing cultures and what I

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love a lot is that we embrace the liberal and
conservative perspective, and it's not for the for us to
argue about in debate. It's more about allowing our viewers
as long I mean as well as the co hosts
and the hosts, to have a better understanding of black politics,
black legislation, what works for us, what doesn't work for us,
and to bridge the gap between the different representations of

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a you know, diverse, a marginalized community that has so
many different marginalizations that people try to group us into
one that just isn't always representation of us as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
So, well, I don't mind having a black conservers on.
They just have a problem lying when they come on,
so it doesn't end well for them here today.

Speaker 26 (01:02:09):
Well no it I'd be like, I find the same
thing with black conservatives, but I do welcome them to
our show. And we actually have somebody who I'm actually
finding some intellectual congress with in doctor Sarah font No,
she's a conservative, but she's actually coming with really interesting ideas.

Speaker 10 (01:02:24):
She's a really interesting person.

Speaker 26 (01:02:25):
So we have at least four really interesting, real honest,
smart black people, multi generational, who want to just get
in there and have an argument about the big things
that we are talking about as a people. So we're
going to have that awesome conversation that you have with
your friends and you sit down to dinner with glass
of wine and start arguing about what's really going on

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in the news and in the culture.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
That's the show we are.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Obviously, it's a whole lot going on in terms of
pop culture. A lot of things happening from Hollywood to me.
You see doctor Brian and was killing me on social
if I got to listen to another damn fifty to
fifty conversation or these people are they getting on my

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It's just it, really. I had a sister on a
personal finance expert, Seaney Curry, who was just like, angry
is all get out. I love these people who whine
about fifty fifty right now they being one hundred zero.
Come on, like, I just think, like that's just the
stupid and shit in the world. So you paying a
hundred right now, but you saying I ain't going fifty

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to fifty, Okay, keep your asshet a hundred.

Speaker 18 (01:03:37):
Roland, don't get me started, because I already have a
thing where I say flag on the play.

Speaker 16 (01:03:40):
That's a red flag.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I just like it's crazy. I just I did it.
I just when I see all these so called relationship
I'm telling you if I see another to me relationship
discussions on podcasts, just like business people, and I first
go what business are you running? What business do you
have or have? Oh, I'm so, I'm sorry you will

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sell Ustulf at the back of your trunk. Okay, yeah,
let me go ahead, listen to your number one entrepreneur podcast.
I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 18 (01:04:11):
Well oh wait, well you got something to say about that?
Because Torrey, and I'm gonna tag you in because I
love what you said. Right, I'm single, I've been engaged
a couple times, called off to weddings, and I'm not
a mama bear yet can't wait to be married and
be a parent. However, folks asks me, similar to what
you just said, what makes you think you can give
relationsship advice? And I say, listen, I don't want to
hear you've been married fifteen years in miserable thirteen. I
don't want to hear you've been in two or three

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marriages that failed, and you want to give me your
failed advice.

Speaker 16 (01:04:34):
I'll pass. What I'm doing is not.

Speaker 18 (01:04:36):
Teaching people to be married. I'm teaching them to get
out of their own way. Two happy people made for
a happy marriage. Two unhealed, miserable people with a lot
of pain made for a trauma bond.

Speaker 16 (01:04:47):
So no one teaches you how to be married.

Speaker 18 (01:04:48):
We teach you how to be a wholesome, happy person,
so you can bring that to your relationship.

Speaker 26 (01:04:54):
Roland, I've tried to tell the brothers when you go
on a date, it's beyond the fifty to fifty.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
When the bill.

Speaker 26 (01:05:02):
Comes, don't look at it. Just hand your card. Don't
even look at the bill like I got this, I
got you like I don't want to. Don't be looking
an item, I don't Did the server get everything? Just
give her the card and keep it moving. But if
you really want to provide, it's not just financial. You
gotta tell them what you feel. And we don't talk

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about that with the other guys. So we got to
exercise different muscles when we're trying to create relationships with women.
Talk about your feelings.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
We're not used to that.

Speaker 26 (01:05:32):
We gotta get used to that, because that's that's what
they want to hear about what's going on in your heart.
Unless what's going on in your wallet and more what's
going on in your heart that's harder for us to
figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I ain't my shell called on Fielter, I ain't dealing
with none of that bullshit. Let's just I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna keep it real, keep it straight. If
your ass don't have a passport, don't bring your ass
to me about taking you out the country.

Speaker 16 (01:05:58):
Roland, listen.

Speaker 18 (01:05:58):
And if your ass can book flights and the whole trip,
don't come to me what a date wanting to be
with me and date me and be.

Speaker 16 (01:06:05):
Upset because listen, you're taking me on a trip.

Speaker 18 (01:06:08):
I do want to hear emotions like Terre say, and
I do want some vulnerability, but damn it, can you
front the bill? And it's not about the paying part.
It's the principle that you are providing for something that
you want us to enjoy. Doesn't mean that at some
point I won't spoil you as my man, but I
want to see that my man is vertical and who
he is, and he can afford to do the things
and contribute to a lifestyle that I have created and

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I am sustaining for myself, and there's nothing wrong with
women wanting that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
And I'm just I don't give a damn listen. I'm serious,
I don't give a damn all popping the balloons. I
don't care about already. I think what has happened is
and this is why I believe you have to have
honest shows that don't waste time with bullshit because the
reality is there is a significant amount of bullshit that

(01:06:54):
exists that is circulating in our community. I am highly
in this, and I'm highlyticle of so many of us
been so inundated with entertainment and sports and then when
something pops off, we go. Man, I ain't know because
yo as don't watch no news, That's why. But I
just think that there's a moment to call out a

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lot of the craziness that exists out here. And when
I look at things that y'all have been on truth talks,
I think that has to happen because and I think
we also got to put some names on it, because
it's a bunch of folk people shouldn't be listening to.
Just like I tell people, y'all should be listening to
these dumb ass talk about the news because they don't
know what they talk about.

Speaker 16 (01:07:35):
We talked about that, Torey, I want to tag you in.

Speaker 18 (01:07:37):
We talked about that in one of our episodes where
we were saying that our social media black news is
world star, it's shade room, right, and that is not
our news. Our news is much more bigger and global
and it expands past that. And so we don't get
to hear about politics or legislation. We don't get to
hear how these policies systemically are not fucking.

Speaker 16 (01:07:57):
Created for us, they're not authored for us.

Speaker 18 (01:07:59):
And because we don't have a seat of the table
doesn't mean we can't author legislation. Because we don't have
a title doesn't mean that we can't be in the
room at the fucking table, excuse my language, having a
strong opinion and moving legislation and moving seats and moving
the table. People and folks tend seem to think in
our community that if you're not a doctor, attorney, elected official,

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then your voice doesn't matter.

Speaker 16 (01:08:22):
Every single person that looks like us has a responsibility
and their voice holds weight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Absolutely. Questions off of our panel, I'll start with Gustafa.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Yeah, well, congratulations on season two. I'm looking forward to it.
You know, I'm curious.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
There are all these different attempts to pull our community apart.
You know, whether we talk about misinformation, disinformation, all these
different types of things. Can you talk about three or
four of the you know, sort of hot issues that
you hope to help people to garner additional information about,
but also, you know, how we begin to heal as
a people.

Speaker 16 (01:09:00):
I think that is a great, great question.

Speaker 18 (01:09:02):
I think that we need to realize that real estate
isn't the real wealth that family is, and that as
long as we continue to create broken homes and broken houses,
guess what, we don't have no wealth because it takes
a team, and that team to build generational wealth has
to be a generation that's called family. We don't family,
we don't commune, And guess what we are the brokest
socio economic of community and race of people that exists.

(01:09:26):
And it's to that point. Asian Americans are Asians in general.
They family, they commune, they hire their family, they create
these corporations, they operate in that space. So do Caucasians,
so do a lot of the Latin communities. We don't
do that, and until we do that, we can't have
generational wealth. Who are we leaving our life insurance too.

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If we have ten kids by six different women are
six different men, we have to create more husband and wives.
We have to create more families and less baby mamas
and baby daddies.

Speaker 16 (01:09:55):
And I stand on that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
I'm very, very.

Speaker 18 (01:09:57):
Triggered by that because of the fact that we we
are talking about a collective of people right which is
called community, But we don't even have community in our household,
which means, and I'll land on this, if our household
has no community, that means what our block doesn't, our
neighborhood doesn't, If our neighborhood.

Speaker 16 (01:10:11):
Doesn't, our community doesn't, and if our community doesn't, guess what.

Speaker 18 (01:10:14):
Our whole race of people does not have that it
starts at home, in the house with the person making
the better fucking choice roll.

Speaker 26 (01:10:21):
And the thing that I want folks to hear from
me and perhaps get from this show is that there
is nothing inherently wrong with black people, and there's nothing
inherently wrong with black culture. Black people's greatest problem is
white people, white supremacy and the legacy of slavery and segregation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, one more, not a white validation.

Speaker 26 (01:10:44):
Absolutely white victimhood. We could keep going on white fragility,
but those are our biggest problems. And I love black culture,
you know how I love Black culture. Spent so much
my career uplifting great black culture, and I want to
continue to do that and talk about how great we
are and identify our actual problems which fall under the

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umbrella of white supremacy.

Speaker 8 (01:11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:11:13):
I mean a big moswotop to both of you for
the show. It sounds super exciting. I can't wait to watch.

Speaker 13 (01:11:17):
I think my question is really around the utility of
having conversations.

Speaker 10 (01:11:23):
I follow you on TikTok oh.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
You follow me.

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
You're black and Jewish, right, I.

Speaker 14 (01:11:28):
Am black and Jewish.

Speaker 26 (01:11:29):
I am too, and it's a late in life finding
and I have been following you as part of trying
to understand what that even means that mixture.

Speaker 16 (01:11:37):
Well this, ain't they a fan of Reunion?

Speaker 17 (01:11:41):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Let's connect after this?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
That's so sick?

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Oh my god?

Speaker 14 (01:11:44):
Wow, well shalone, No, I mean, it's so awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:11:49):
But really my question is about, you know, what is
the utility of having a conversation intracommunality with other black
folks across.

Speaker 14 (01:11:56):
A political spectrum of beliefs.

Speaker 13 (01:11:58):
Because I feel like a lot of the commonation I'm
seeing right now and the internet like ether is that
this is just like not generative, Like there's this really
isolationist thing that's happening where people are pulling away from
one another.

Speaker 14 (01:12:09):
Folks don't want to be in dialogue.

Speaker 13 (01:12:11):
So yeah, what is the utility of having that intercommunal
political spectrum conversation with what I mean?

Speaker 26 (01:12:17):
We are not monolithic as a people, right we are.
Some of us are conservative, some of us are LGBTQ,
some of us are what also a multi generational conversation,
It allows us to interact with all different sorts of ideas.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
Most of our most of the people we talk.

Speaker 26 (01:12:35):
To are our peers, right, And when you're suddenly dealing
with you know, a thirty five year old conservative, uh
talking to an eighty year old like me, it's like wow,
Like we're having like a conversation and a clash of
ideas that you didn't really expect to have. Or when
I'm talking to doctor B about like her relationships and

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her where she's come from politically and socially, we don't
always agree, but those are where you have to really
identify what you really believe. When she starts saying I
disagree with what you're saying. You have to really come
to groups with like what do you really think? So
that makes you really sharpen what you really believe.

Speaker 16 (01:13:13):
Toy, I love that. I want to add to the
great that was great. I want to add to that.

Speaker 18 (01:13:16):
I think there's two different groups of black people, and
our responsibility as leaders is to bridge that gap, which
is called cleaving. There's one group that knows politics, knows legislation,
loves to have that conversation. It's not a challenge for
them because they have been talking about it, They've been
in think tanks, they've been in rooms, maybe their family
talked about it as a young child, and so learned

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behavior is innately they understand the conversation. Then there's an
other group of black people who are afraid of the conversation.
They don't understand it.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
Now because they don't want to.

Speaker 18 (01:13:46):
It's not in their normal conversations, it's not in their
think tanks. That is not their daily text messages to
their friends, that's not what they're watching, that's not what
their social media allows them or their algorithm is is
having them see. And so I think it's important for
us to bridge the gap where instead of us looking
at the differences. Like Terrey said, the folks who do understand,
the folks who is not a challenge for should be

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attempting to meet these folks where they are so that
they can understand the logistics of it without judging them
or feeling like they're ignorant.

Speaker 16 (01:14:13):
Or that they don't vote, or that they don't have
a desire to understand.

Speaker 18 (01:14:17):
And the folks that are in this group should be
open minded to allowing the people to say, listen, let
me teach you, let me show you. Let this be
a learning space where we can bridge the gap so
that we don't become so divided. Because a house divided
can't stand, but a community, as we see that's been divided,
ain't standing.

Speaker 16 (01:14:35):
So we got to bridge that gap.

Speaker 17 (01:14:38):
Matt.

Speaker 9 (01:14:39):
So I'm going to add to the family reunion element
and just say, Tore, I read the Portal Promised Land
my first year at Howard, and I've loved your work
and so.

Speaker 8 (01:14:47):
It's a great.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Oh my god, can you ask a question?

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
Will you stop?

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:14:57):
This is this is every week.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:14:59):
He don't like it when he had the attention, but
that's any event, man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
I will turn your goddamn microphone off. I know you
did not you got my call me.

Speaker 10 (01:15:08):
His audio is peeking on my inrolling.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Well, I will cut some shit.

Speaker 8 (01:15:12):
Go ahead, mic Co question my question.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
So, I haven't had the pleasure of watching the show,
but my understanding is the format is kind of a
departure from a lot of the normal shows in terms
of music and other things on there. And I'm interested
in what went into how you formulated the show, like
how you you know, thought to present it with purely
conversations and not some of the other things you normally see.

Speaker 10 (01:15:36):
I'd be interested in seeing kind of how y'all approach that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Well.

Speaker 26 (01:15:38):
The producers talked about like let's get that vibe of
you just got together with your friends and you want
to keep it real about what's going on with your
life or with the news, what's going on in culture,
and that conversation you have. But I think it's critical,
as we were saying that it's four different people coming
from four different walks of life, all black but different.

Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
And I find I don't know about you, doctor b
I find I get.

Speaker 26 (01:16:05):
A lot of hope for the future talking to the
younger folks who are like they have great ideas. They
have great passion, they have great energy, and they have
group intellect. And I think they're looking at us, or
at least me, because Doctor B is also very young,
but they're looking at me like, oh wow, the older
folks aren't so bad, right, the unks aren't so bad?

Speaker 19 (01:16:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:16:25):
Well, Tory, I'm actually an auntie. I'm forty two. How
I'm embracing it now, But you know, I'm an auntie.
Your grandpa, I'm auntie.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
But I want to say, Grandpa, you made his ass
feel old as hell.

Speaker 18 (01:16:39):
But I want to say season one, we started off
pretty much what are set that had a bar. We
were the the unapologetic black voice that had conversations that
happened after happy hour, after that first drink you have,
and it was just raw and unapologetic. And we made
sure that that those voices were very loud in represent

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and something within the black community that made sense as
president as me being the president of NAACP and Los
Angeles for Sam Peach, Woman's in and Paalace Birties. I've
noticed that PALASBERTI is being predominantly white, right, and I
represent that your addiction that the black folks in that
community have a different representation. They have a different identity

(01:17:21):
as being black. And so what True Talks does is
it lends all of it, and it allows the viewers
to say, I identify with this person who's been in
the suburbs. I identify with the doctor B who's comes
from the inner city, he went from the hoods of
the hills. I identify, you know, with Torrey, who's this
East Coaster who has a different.

Speaker 16 (01:17:37):
Perspective on things. But or I don't identify with nobody,
and I can.

Speaker 18 (01:17:42):
Make my own identity, and I can also have some
type of pushback toward that without feeling demonized or weaponized.
But I can learn from different perspectives so that we
again can become a collective and unify, not having to
be in one box, but in understanding that we do
represent just like we look different, present different.

Speaker 16 (01:18:00):
And that's one thing that True Talks brings.

Speaker 18 (01:18:03):
Is, you know, folks on always a degree with half
of the shit that we say. Some people are like,
doctor B, you're always smoking, killing it, throwing gym. Some
people are like, this woman is bananas. Where does she
get this very chatteology from? But my black is different
than other people. But it doesn't make me are them
less black. It brings in a unified you.

Speaker 16 (01:18:21):
Know, thing that doesn't doesn't doesn't further the marginalization or
that that that deficit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
All right, folks, eight pm Eastern Monday through Friday. You
can check out truth Talks UH streaming right here following
my show on Black Start Network on our rollerd Mark
Unfiltered YouTube channel. And folks, if y'all not subscribing, do
so we're sitting at We're now, of course moving towards

(01:18:49):
two million follows on our YouTube channel. We had one
point eight million, so we can't wait to hit two million.
And so things have been going great. Doctor Bryant appreciated Toray.
Thanks about good luck with season two and look forward
to conversation on Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Thanks.

Speaker 16 (01:19:04):
Hey, really quick, Roland, really quick, Roland?

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
You and I did?

Speaker 16 (01:19:07):
You and I did? Oh my gosh? Why am I
having a brain fight? I work with them all the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Time, can't remember?

Speaker 10 (01:19:14):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:19:14):
Be quiet, okay, beg quiet. Attorney Crump, we did his
event last I think a year or two ago.

Speaker 18 (01:19:19):
We work a lot because our president in WAACP, and
obviously he works with my branch.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
On many You mean the you mean the awards if
it took place in.

Speaker 16 (01:19:25):
LA Awards, you got awarded. I hosted.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah, it was at the Lax Marriott and he does
it every year.

Speaker 18 (01:19:33):
So yeah, we worked that event together. You got recognized
and I was like, keep hosting or doing something there.
So good to go to you informally again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Likewise, all right, good luck, appreciate it. See y'alls got it.
Go on, talk me break. When we come back, we'll
talk Jesse Similette. We'll talk Target fifty Church is going
to be picketing at Bear's Targets on Sunday, so we'll
talk about the fifth anniversary of the murder of George Floyd.
Of course I'm going to hear from Terry Vaughn. We'll

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talked about her new show She The People on Netflix.
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Speaker 10 (01:21:01):
Did you watch it, Martin?

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I'm felzy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
So the ordeal between Jesse Smolett and the City of
Chicago is now over, completely over. This thing happened six
years ago. You remember he said that he was jumped
by a couple of folks, a couple of guys, and
he was attacked, and that led to the city of
Chicago said no, he made it up. And then that
was a trial, and then that was a second trial,

(01:21:33):
and it was just drama. They went after the black
you know, State's attorney in Chicago, and so it was
just crazy. This is a statement that just dropped today.
He'd said this to me. It says over six years ago,
after it was reported I had been jumped, city officials
in Chicago set out to convince the public that I
willfully set an assault against myself. This false narrative has

(01:21:55):
left the stain of my character that will not soon disappear.
These officials wanted my money and wanted my confession for
something I did not do. Today, it should be clear
they have received either. The decision to settle the civil
lawsuit was not the most difficult one to make. After
repeatedly refusing to pay the city, I was presented with
an opportunity to make a charitable donation in exchange for

(01:22:16):
the case being dismissed. Despite what happened there politically, Chicago
was my home for over five years and the people
became my family. Therefore, making a donation to benefit Chicago
communities that are too often neglected by those in power
will always be something I support. I've made a fifty
thousand dollars donation to building Brighter Futures Center for the Arts,
a local nonprofit doing incredible work nurturing self expression, creativity,

(01:22:39):
and exploration of the arts for Chicago youth. This organization
was of my choosing, and I'm comforted that there will
be at least one winner from this experience. Though I
was exonerated by the Illinois Supreme Court in a unanimous decision,
and the civil case is now dismissed. I'm aware that
it will not change everyone's mind about me or the
attack I experienced. However, despite arduous and expensive attempts to

(01:23:02):
punish me, I am innocent both in the eyes of
God and of our criminal justice system. What I have
to do now is move forward. I will continue creating
my art, fighting passionately for causes I hold dear, and
defending my integrity and family name with the truth. Lastly,
I am grateful to have had the resources to defend myself.
So many do not. They are backed into corners to

(01:23:24):
take deals or confess to crime they did not actually commit.
In their honor, I am donating an additional ten thousand
dollars to the Chicago Torture Justice Center, who provides resources
to communities healing from the violence of the Chicago Police Department.
To anyone who has had to prove they have in
fact been violated, you know how difficult this can be
to navigate. I stand with and for you. To everyone

(01:23:47):
who has supported me, thank you. Your prayers and belief
in me mean more than words can properly express. I
will never take it lightly and will never forget ond
with love and respect, Justice Bonnet, Matt, I want to
go to you. I mean, I mean, I mean back
and forth. It was national international, will just you name
it with just craziness, And he says he was he's

(01:24:07):
been clear exonerated by the North Supreme Court.

Speaker 24 (01:24:10):
Uh, And so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
What the hell happened here?

Speaker 27 (01:24:15):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:24:16):
First, that press release was not a press release.

Speaker 9 (01:24:18):
It was a manifesto that was I want to get
my narrative out and do what I can to try
to clear my name. But you know, it's interesting, people
probably don't realize how.

Speaker 10 (01:24:26):
Often this happened.

Speaker 9 (01:24:27):
And to be very clear and up front, I didn't
follow all of the different parts of this case and
the appellate stuff and.

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
All of that, but you know this happens often. This
happens often where prosecutors will and I know this is
not a criminal case, Okay, this is the civil.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Well, it was a criminal case became a civil so
it was really both.

Speaker 10 (01:24:44):
No, this settlement is a civil yes, not the criminal case.

Speaker 9 (01:24:47):
Yes, But it happens where in both really civil and
criminal cases, there is some kind of payment made in
exchange for a dismissal of a case, whether.

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
It be civil criminals. So that's that's old had nothing
is new about that.

Speaker 9 (01:25:00):
This kind of thing is you know, obviously a unique
situation because he's a celebrity and this was like in
the national zeitgeys for a while. A lot of people
know what happened in this situation and know what the
accusations were, know that there were you know, false accusations.
So I say all of that to say, none of
this is really remarkable to me. A donation to a
nonprofit is always a good thing, of course, but here

(01:25:21):
it's being leveraged to help his reputation. What I do
think is interesting is it just seems like, you know,
there are some elements of this because he's high profile,
where it seemed like prosecutors maybe got more involved than
they needed to, or the city of Chicago felt like
they wanted to make an example out of him and
dig their heels in and seek all the you know, investigators.

Speaker 10 (01:25:42):
Over time and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:25:43):
People make false reports all the time, People get prosecuted
for false reports.

Speaker 10 (01:25:46):
They usually never see the light of day.

Speaker 9 (01:25:48):
Because he was a high profile actor and that's what
they were accusing him of. That's why we're sitting here
talking about it. But this the settlement of the civil lawsuit.
I'm sure everybody wants it to be done, and I'm
sure his recognized that this was going to be a
drop in the bucket for his resources and donated made
this donation and gets to leverage the goodwill from that.
I mean, really beyond that. This is something I see

(01:26:11):
every day normally in these situations, though, as your viewers
surely know, there are confidentiality clauses that go along with
the settlements of cases. I have every week, Right, I
settled a civil case, and what the defense Because I'm
a plane off lawyer, I'm not a defense lawyer, but
the defense almost always wants there to not be any
conversation about what happened, or the amount or anything like that.

Speaker 10 (01:26:31):
I would suspect here. Of course, I don't have a
release in front of me, but I would suspect that
part of the express terms here was that he got
to talk about what he did to settle the suit.

Speaker 9 (01:26:40):
You know, I paid X amount of money to this
organization for the express purpose of being able to boost
his reputation. And when you're a celebrity, and that's a
part of your you know, how you make your money
essentially your reputation in your name.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
It makes sense that they would do that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:53):
Beyond that, I don't really think there's anything remarkable with
this beyond how long it took in obviously the underlying allegations.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
The thing that people have to remember, Raven is that
that was a plea deal, but focused Chicago pissed off
as then the state's attorney Kim Fox, and they were
targeting to herb because she was a black woman. So
then they pushed to a point a special prosecutor who
then went after him a second time. That led to
the criminal trial, and that's the case. They went all

(01:27:21):
the way up to the Ildining Supreme Court. This case
had been adjudicated and they been taken care of, but
it was like, oh, hell no, to MAT's point, we
are going to make an example out of Jesse, how
dare you and so? And screw you, Kim Fox, We're
gonna come at target you as well. And that's what happened.
So this was a huge mess. I remember the superintendent,
he was showing his ass and pissed off. Later had

(01:27:44):
to resign because they found him drunk behind a car. Then,
of course Rommy, oh yeah, yep, yep, yep, he got bounced.
That's what happened. That they found him drunk behind of
the steering wheel. For part, Carlos kind of like a superintendent,
like what the hell? Rommy Manuel ran his ass out
of town as well, and so of course, and he's
the same one who's mad as hell. But he sat

(01:28:06):
on the Lakwi MacDonald videotape for a whole year showing
him being killed by cops and then was forced to
release it, and then those cops got convicted. So this
entire ordeal with justice Similette was it just was just insane.

Speaker 13 (01:28:21):
Absolutely, I mean co sign I think, and this is
not a typical, right, the amount of carcero logics that
get deployed onto black people and onto black bodies always
feels disproportionate to what has actually taken place. So that
doesn't surprise me in the slightest, you know, when I
think about this situation, I just want to say, first
and foremost, the intersections of anti blackness and homophobia are real. Right,

(01:28:44):
I wasn't there, and none of us were there, but
I just like want to hold the reality of that
and the pain of that and the lived experience of
that and in this situation, I think tashuva or this
idea of like being able to right or wrong is
always a powerful reprieve. Whether it's you know, to Matt's point,
because there's a desire to alleviate some issues with you know,
public appearance, or whether the intention is good heartened, or

(01:29:06):
it's a combination of both. I think the net effect
is that he's fouring fifty thousand dollars into community.

Speaker 14 (01:29:11):
I'm based here in Chicago. These are my people.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
I'll take it.

Speaker 13 (01:29:14):
You know, whatever the rationale, I think many things can
be true at the same time, you know, harm can
be caused to shoot as always possible, and simultaneously, this
doesn't negate the importance of thinking anti blackness and homophobia
and how we can eradicate these methodologies of hatred with
one another.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
With Stapa, you know, I'm country and it was interesting
in watching how they tried to sacrifice this brother.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
There's nothing new.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
We've been trying to sacrifice black men and others since
this country first came to be, and you saw it
play out in front of your eyes. Now, if he
made a mistake, if he said something that wasn't true,
that's one thing but all the energy and all the
money that went into trying to humanize him, to sacrifice him.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
Was quite real.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
You watch the vultures circle of above and come down
and try and feed on him. So my grandmother used
to talk about, you know, if someone makes a mistake,
give them the opportunity to be better. And I hope
that in this particular moment, we see him making, you know,
these donations, we see him evolving, that we give him

(01:30:26):
the opportunity to be better. And the reason that we
should do that is because we have always been a
people who would invite folks to come back home if
they're coming back home authentically, if they're coming back wanting
to do what they can to be a part of
community and to uplift.

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
And I hope that that is a part of the
journey that he plans on taking folks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
This Sunday will mark the fifth anniversary of the day
that George Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin in that city.
It set off massive protests all across the country but
also the world. Folks were shocked to literally watch nine
minutes go by and see the life of George Floyd
snuffed out by Chauvin. Chauvin was convicted. Several other cops

(01:31:09):
were convicted as well in state and federal court. That
led to what I called a third reconstruction. With that
was a huge blowback White America. White conservatives were angry
with what took place, and so so much has happened
over the last five years. And as part of the focus,
remember a lot of the DEI initiatives were born out

(01:31:31):
of the murder of George Floyd. Target based there in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
and they have been the target of a boycott by
various entities, Nina Turner's group Until Freedom with Tomika Mallory
and also Pastor Jamal Bryant. We see that Target has
announced massive changes, dismal earnings, and they say that could

(01:31:55):
be the case for the rest of the year. Foot
traffic is down, and so guess what, folk stay the
hell out of Target. Well, in conjunction with commemorating the
murder of George Floyd five years ago, as well as
the boycott against Target, Pastor Jamal Bryant said, fifty churches
across the country are going to be holding vigils and

(01:32:15):
pickets at various targets. Go to myped Anthony on Sunday
at twelve pm at the Target in Conyers, Georgia. And
then there's going to be other preachers at Target in Atlanta,
Conyers Highram, Georgia. Also it's going to be taking place
at North Carolina in Baltimore, Washington, d C. Virginia, Ohio

(01:32:37):
and others, and so this is taking place. The thing here, Mustafa.
The energy obviously is a lot different this year than
has been in the last four years. There's been a massive,
a clear and direct attack white folks who were angry
that young white people, Latinos and blacks and others were uniting.

(01:32:58):
After this, they again to target this entire movement because
they were scared. They targeted Black Lives Matter, tried to
destroy the folks involved with that, gut it every effort
that was in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, everything
was critical race theory leading to Moms for Liberty winning
races in the country against stoking white fear. Twenty twenty three,

(01:33:21):
it was attacking woke, twenty twenty four, it was attacking DEEI.
Everything that has happened in the wake of the death
of George Floyd. You had white folks of the country
saying we have to shut this down because they were
the book bands everything, because they were scared to death
of a generation of Americans learning the true history of

(01:33:43):
this country. And they said, no, we got to stop
this now.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
Yeah, not only learning the true history of this country,
but finding an opportunity to come together in solidarity and
to say that we want something different, that we want
this country to evolve, that we want this country to
actually live up to the words that it continues to
say and share around the planet, but you know, never
fully embrace.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
So it was that moment, and you know, we have
to make sure that we continue to bring you know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
The lessons that came out of after our dear brother
died or excuse me, was murdered, and we've got to
make sure that we continue to bring those forward and
continue to put a spotlight on exactly what's happening in
relationship to Project twenty twenty five and you know, this
current administration and everything they're doing to try and demonize.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
So we've got that opportunity.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
I hope that the seed that was planted out of
that tragedy finds ways to be watered and to continue
to grow.

Speaker 6 (01:34:44):
But that means that we have to be truthful in
our storytelling.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
We've got to continue to put it forward, and we've
got to continue to push for accountability. And when we
look at places like Target, when they are trying to
take steps backwards, then you know, we've got to make
sure they understand that there is some pain that is
associated with the decisions that they're making. And we've got
to highlight folks like Costco and others who are continuing

(01:35:10):
to at least on the surface, stand up and do
the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
And what you have going on here, I mean, you
got this administration right now that is attacking anything with
DEI Raven And what I have been saying is to
all those white folks and Latinos and Asian Americas and
others who are out there protesting where you're at.

Speaker 14 (01:35:31):
No, that's real.

Speaker 13 (01:35:32):
I mean we need intercommunal solidarity now more than ever.
And I think when we're talking about Target, you know
we're really seeing performative allyship the consequences of performative allyship
that a lot of these organizations and companies that were
giving us the hashtag black Lives Matter, and we really
care about diversity, equity, and inclusion in our organizations and
throwing up those web pages weren't about the praxice of

(01:35:54):
what they said that were about, right, we didn't see
the pedagogy. Where's that they're there because the second it
stops being convenient to care about communities on the margins there,
you are right. I mean, we see a similar thing
with Paramount Paramount, which is so deeply ironic. I think
a lot of people don't know this Paramount is the
parent company.

Speaker 14 (01:36:11):
For BEET, the Black Entertainment Television Network.

Speaker 13 (01:36:14):
What what do you mean You're foregoing preemptively foregoing your
DEI initiatives and policies.

Speaker 14 (01:36:20):
You literally, how's the Black Entertainment Network? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:36:24):
So I feel like, you know, when we're talking about this,
we're really seeing people's true colors. And also to Miscophu's point,
I think we're seeing people who are really standing on business.
You know, we're seeing Ben and Jerry's, for example, really
standing on business. I don't know if you all saw
just a few days ago, Ben Collen, the one of
the original co founders of Ben and Jerry's, who also
happens to be Jewish, was arrested for protesting the crisis

(01:36:45):
in Gaza and for protesting these horrendous cuts to medicate
that are being proposed right So, I think there's a
really major both and happening right now. And we're also
seeing that we're leaning into our culture as a people.
Our culture of resistance is people. When I think of
this exciting moment of resistance and protest that is coming
up as it pertains to Target, I think of the

(01:37:07):
Black Power era. I think in a civil rights movement.
This idea of consolidating our economic power is not a
new one, but it is a powerful one. It is
a very powerful one. That being said, I think I
want to encourage people not to abandon the black owned
businesses that still happen to be housed at Target. Right So,
maybe instead of going into Target and supporting those businesses

(01:37:27):
that looks like going directly to people's websites and on
their pages on Instagram and their their TikTok shops or
what have you, and supporting them that way, where about us?
We need to stay about us and to do so strategically.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
And to Raven's point, this is that video when they
drag the protesters out, including being a coin and so
they rough them up in a significant way that was
doing the hearing for that crazy fool Robert F. Kennedy Junior.

Speaker 10 (01:37:58):
Matt Well, you know, and like fashions.

Speaker 9 (01:38:03):
My earlier statement, please don't ever put me after Raven again,
because I just got to steal half of what she said,
particularly though the use of the word performative. Because look,
the reality is, in this country, we tend to ascribe
to corporations far more noble goals than.

Speaker 10 (01:38:17):
They actually have.

Speaker 9 (01:38:18):
So if you remember, right after this happened, as she
alluded to, all over social media, all you saw was,
you know, all black profile pictures and all of these
conversations about how all these corporations were going to do
all of these things. Now, I didn't know what the
future would hold, but I always had a suspicion that
it was about making money.

Speaker 10 (01:38:36):
It wasn't about anything else.

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
So when you get this orange man into office who's
attacking all things DEI, I mean, so asinine that they're
trying to not teach new Air Force cadets about the
Tuskegee Airmen, you know, you get to the point where
you're seeing that this was never about anything other than performance.

Speaker 10 (01:38:54):
That's all it was. It was about performance. Incidental to
making a dollar, So none of this is surprising.

Speaker 9 (01:38:59):
I'm glad that there's some backlash to Target, and I
think when I read a few days ago that Targets,
you know, revenues are down like two point eight percent,
I still don't know that that's really enough. I mean,
it's a good thing for us to do that, it's
a good thing to hold them to it. But I
think what we need to learn from this is that
performative allyship does not have a long runway. It's only

(01:39:19):
going to be there as long as it's necessary to
make the dollar or to leverage it, or as a
means to an end for whatever you want at that time.
And what they wanted at that time was to not
miss the national zeitgeist about a man being murdered on
basically national TV. Everybody could see it exactly what happened
to him for nine minutes. And that's why you have
companies that people don't normally even care about their DEI

(01:39:42):
stance coming out and saying that they're going to be,
you know, a supporter of DEI for whatever, dog food like,
this is not a company we really care about, and
it's all performative.

Speaker 10 (01:39:52):
So none of this is surprising. It's just rolling back
to where they were before.

Speaker 9 (01:39:56):
But if we don't hold them accountable and do something
to say no, there will be economic consequence for you
playing in our faces.

Speaker 10 (01:40:03):
Then there will be no consequence for doing that.

Speaker 9 (01:40:05):
So hopefully this cascades into a greater consequence for any
company that does that kind of performative allyship at a
point like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Oh, trust me, and there are some other companies that
are on the list. Folks in Charlotte City council woman
Tawanna Brown, the first formally incarcerated person elected to the council,
looked like she might be going back to prison. She's
been indicted. Federal prosecutor to say Brown misused COVID nineteen
relief funds to throw herself a lavish birthday party that

(01:40:35):
costs fifteen thousand dollars, complete with a throne and a
horse drawn carriage. She and one of her daughters are
also accused of using those funds to purchase luxury items
from Louis Vauton. At Thursday's news conference, Brown playing she
paid the money back, bay you back.

Speaker 28 (01:40:53):
When I found out that there may have been some
scrutiny in the application I paid it back. I have
one loan twenty thousand dollars common eight thirty three, twenty thousand,
coming eight thirty three. When the application was processed, I
paid it back. No one had to tell me to
pay it back. When I found out that there may

(01:41:14):
have been some stipulations and how the application was processed,
I paid it back.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Now, on the other hand, that's He'll.

Speaker 28 (01:41:22):
Billy Barbecue that has one point five million dollars that
never went into the courtroom.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
They were able to pay it back.

Speaker 10 (01:41:29):
Civilly through a civil matter.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
Okay, So there's some.

Speaker 28 (01:41:34):
PvP loans out there that just came up that never
touched the courtroom. So if it's about justice and I
paid it back, why are we here?

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Why are we here?

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
I paid it back on my own.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
No one had to tell me to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
I paid it back. Was a court treat federal indictment
filed in the US District Court. Brown and her daughter's
allegedly submitted faith IRS documents and lied on loan applications
to obtain the funds. They face up to twenty years
in prison for each of the two charges, conspiracy to
commit wirefraud and wirefraud related to fraudulely obtaining pandemic relief

(01:42:12):
loans in high It's Mississippi, folks, there aren't taking any
racist mess and non viral video is shown exactly what
went down when a drunk white man rolled up and
brought the wrong engine to the wrong spot. The video,
now making the rounds on social media, shows the white
man getting beaten, stripped, buttonneked, and robbed outside CJ's Lounge,

(01:42:33):
a well known black club in town. Here's how the
local affiliate Fox thirteen reported this story.

Speaker 21 (01:42:43):
Video surfaces of a man police say might have been
a victim of a hate crime. This happened after officers
say an intoxicated man walked into a Marshall County club
and used the N word when referring to the patrons.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Investigators say that the bar is also a problem spot.
They say that they were respond to it several times
every weekend.

Speaker 21 (01:43:02):
Box thirteen is Daniel Wilkerson is live outside CJ's Lounge
on Memphis Street in Holly Springs.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
So Daniel, how is this man?

Speaker 21 (01:43:09):
Police or calling a victim?

Speaker 27 (01:43:13):
Darryl Darcy get evening to you, good eving to you
at home? They say he didn't go to the hospital
until today. He believes he may have a broken jaw. Meanwhile,
Cjy's lounge is now closed. Police say they were operating
without a beer or a business license. Holly Springs police
say cell phone footage they provided to Fox thirteen News
shows a tip of County man who has been stripped neked.

(01:43:36):
They say the people who attacked him are seen pouring
on him what investigators.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Believed to be beer.

Speaker 27 (01:43:42):
Officers say seconds before they hit, kicked, and stumped nearly
every part of his body.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
The guy walked in and he was very aggressive.

Speaker 27 (01:43:49):
Miles Stone says he was at CJ's Lounge on Memphis
Street late Saturday night into Sunday morning.

Speaker 29 (01:43:56):
Other guys in the area was leased in trying to
remain calm. We asked them they gonna leave quietly, but.

Speaker 27 (01:44:03):
Police say the man continued to call the patrons the
N word. Holly Springs police provided another video of the
man outside the bar, speaking erratically, throwing what investigators believed
to be gang signs.

Speaker 29 (01:44:18):
When they was scuffling stuff outside, he was still trying
to fight. He's still was saying in word inWORD now, if.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
You if you in.

Speaker 27 (01:44:25):
Officers say the attackers use poles and sticks to beat him.
So you don't think this is a problem spot.

Speaker 10 (01:44:30):
I do not think.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
I think it's a positive spot.

Speaker 27 (01:44:32):
But Holly Springs police disagree. The police chief estimates they've
been to some thirty calls over the last three months
CJ's has been open. They say there have been fights,
guns found inside, and a man shot in the foot.
The chief tells me they're pushing the district attorney to
declare it a nuisance.

Speaker 29 (01:44:50):
I'm not standing for anything like that. However, we have
to live with our choices, and he made a choice
by going into their aggressively, and he has to live
with the choices he's.

Speaker 27 (01:44:57):
Made back out lined here in Marshall County. Again, you're
taking a look at that letter that was placed on
the door. We should mention that police tell us right
now they have a person of interest who they would
like to speak with. Meanwhile, if you were here, you
have information, you asked to call the Holly Springs Police Department. Well,
what does the victim remember about what happened. I'm working

(01:45:20):
on that part of the story for Fox thirteen News
at six.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
I'm just saying that.

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
Thanks for let me go first, Roland, thanks for letting
me go first, because I just went to see Jy's
Lounge while this was playing on Facebook, and they have.

Speaker 10 (01:45:47):
Some footage up of him coming in acting full. It's
a lot of black people there. I don't know if
that part of the surveillance footage cut out, it may
not be there. I don't know, but it sounds to
me like it might be a lot of not guilties.
You know, I'm not gonna advocate for violence ever, but
I will.

Speaker 9 (01:46:04):
Say that a lot of times, as even prosecutors will say,
you know, some people got what's coming to him, you know,
and this sounds like a situation where he went looking.

Speaker 10 (01:46:13):
For a problem, created a problem. They're going to try
to make it a hate crime because obviously the very
salient racial issue.

Speaker 9 (01:46:19):
But you know, jokes aside. I mean, you go into
this club, you know, is the primarily black club. You
go in there, you're throwing around, you know, the most
vitriolic racial epithet for black people generally speaking. I mean,
what do you expect is going to happen? And the
CJ's Lounge is already mounting its defense, saying the police
are not showing you what really happened in that twenty

(01:46:40):
second set I watched, he went in, started dancing, Nobody
was bothering him, didn't look like anybody was even surprised
he was there.

Speaker 10 (01:46:47):
So I think it's really important to see what fully.

Speaker 9 (01:46:49):
Transpired, because what I anticipate is that we're going to
learn that this person was either high or intoxicated, came
into this place, started a problem, and you know, I
don't know if they're going to prosecute it, but I
know that these kinds of situations are obviously pretty nuanced.
And the way the news is reporting it is they
want the clicks right, they want people to be commenting
on something that's in the national zeitgeist now because it's

(01:47:12):
gone viral.

Speaker 10 (01:47:13):
But it looks like it may not be what is
being reported on the media. And until we know more facts,
we can't really know what happened.

Speaker 9 (01:47:20):
But I don't know, especially if he didn't go seek
medical care the same day he went a few days later.
It could be because he was drunk or high or whatever,
and when he came to he wanted to try to
cover his bases, but he really went in there and
after a round to find out, found out that's what
it looks like to me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
So so just keep keeping my microphone up. Matt talked
about the CJ's lounge on video, So this is what
my iPad is. They posted on Facebook. You see the
guy he and that you know he's sitting there. He
hugged a brother at the door and he's sitting here.
I don't know if he thinks he's stepping or what

(01:47:59):
he thinks he's doing. But I'm just saying, keep y'all.
We're gonna talk over the video, but I'm just saying, Raven.
I mean, you know, Raven, you might be half Jewish,
half black, but if you walked into a Jewish spot
and you start throwing around the K word, they might
not whoop your ass. But I mean it, you ain't

(01:48:23):
gonna be welcome. You walk into the black spot as
a white man thrown around in word hashtag team whipped
that ass is about to show up with the quickness.

Speaker 13 (01:48:34):
Absolutely. I mean, just to reiterate what you're Sam Rowland.
But Matt said, if you don't want no issues, don't
start no issues, right. I mean, similarly to Matt, I
think I'm a fundamentally non violent person and I do
not think all violence is equal.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
And by that I mean you know, the violence of.

Speaker 13 (01:48:51):
Our ancestors who were enslaved rebelling during the not Turner's
rebellion against their enslavers is very different than the violence
of the white enslavers to nine their humanity in the
first place. Not all violences exist on the same moral
or a moral plane and spectrum. And so you know,
I'm not an anarchist. I'm a non violent person. I

(01:49:12):
don't relish this, but I'm also thinking that.

Speaker 14 (01:49:15):
People need to move the way they need to treat
others the way they want to be treated.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
How about that that will stop for I think about
that scene from the movie Double Tape, and my manor
Orlando Jones said, Eddie Griffin, you campaign it for an aspect,
but then you about to get elected.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
Without a doubt. I mean, so we talked about this before.

Speaker 5 (01:49:36):
You know, white privilege makes people sometimes think that they
got superpowers, right, that you could just go into spots
and that you're gonna be able to do things that
you saw on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Do we stop for fraze on us? I think mull stop.
I think mus stop for froze on Us. But his
point is, all right, that pull that ship on TV?
That's fiction.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Do that in real life. Your ass gonna get beat
in real life. Just letting y'all know. So I I'm
just saying, my man, he walk up to the wrong spot.
You see, they's sitting there talking to him. You see
he's talking to some mother brother right there, and you
can see all you can see. You can see them
hand movements and you see, oh you see you see that.

(01:50:30):
See we can't even here, but you see that neck
movement and the brother look at him like dog. Really
you see the one brother was left trying to put
his arm like say, dog, you don't want to do that.
You don't want to do that. Player, you don't want
to do that. I'm just telling you. See the brother
on the right the left going hey, man, get his
ass out of here.

Speaker 17 (01:50:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
And then you see how how many people are filing out.
They like some ship is about to go down. Let
me get my ass out of here because this white
boy is about to get his ass whooped. Y'all can
tell what's going on. They sitting here like, say, man,
you might want to calm down, brother, because it's going
into well for you. I mean, look, y'all said that
they throwing the trash shot. They know what's about to happen.

(01:51:07):
What's about to go all? He ain't put his finger up.
He ain't put his finger up. Oh, so then he
goes outside. Then he goes outside and to see here,
that's the end of the video. Oh he walked his
ass back in and right there is where and then
he pushed the brother and that's when hashtag team with

(01:51:28):
that ass made an appearance. So I can't wait to
see the full video. But I'm just saying my advice
to all white people, don't roll into black spots yelling
the N word. You not, You're not going to get

(01:51:50):
a welcoming committee. Oh matter of fact, you will get
a committee, but it won't be a welcoming committee. Let
me think, Raven, let me think, Matt, let me think.
We'll stop for being onto the show. I certainly appreciate it, Raven,
good job your first time. Thanks a bunch. Before having
you back, folks, I told you about Netflix's show She
The People Starting Terry Vaughan. I had a chance to

(01:52:10):
catch with her a week ago as I was coming
back from the Afro Peak golf tournament. We talked about
how this show even came about. And here's our conversation.

Speaker 8 (01:52:21):
All right, Jerry Vaughn, you're busy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
I'm busy.

Speaker 8 (01:52:27):
Netflix show. But you are directing stuff and you doing
all kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
And I'm making my way into Washington, DC, and that's
the setting for this new Netflix show from Tyler Perry.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Tell me about it, so she the people. This is
my passion project, Roland.

Speaker 15 (01:52:47):
This is a project that I've had for about seven
years now when my girlfriend London Breed became the first
black female mayor of the city of San Francisco, which
is where.

Speaker 8 (01:53:00):
I Yeah, I know London.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
I know London.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Yes, So London grew up in the hood, just like me.

Speaker 15 (01:53:06):
She grew up in a underserved, drug infested neighborhood in
San Francisco. And knowing her upbringing and watching her as
she just thrived with her brilliant mind and ended up
becoming the mayor of one of the richest cities in
our nation was really huge. The first black woman to

(01:53:30):
do that, and she got so much pushback and so
much drama, and you know, and we're just watching her
as her supporters, and she's smiling the whole time going
through this and figuring out how to maneuver through it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
So watching her do that was inspiring to me.

Speaker 15 (01:53:47):
It was so inspiring, and I was hit with the
thought like, this would be a great television series.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
I love Veep, which you know starred Julian.

Speaker 15 (01:54:00):
Was yeah, I love that, and I was like, it
would be great to do it from the perspective of
a black woman that comes from the kind of neighborhoods
that we come from, and her in this situation as
being a lead someone in charge in politics. And so

(01:54:21):
that's where the inspiration came from. And so I teamed
up with the writer. Her name is Nia Palmer, and
we started working on this show Idea about five years ago.
And when the strike hit our industry in twenty twenty three,
she was writing on Run the World, Run the World,

(01:54:45):
and I have been directing and acting and so we
hadn't really put in more time on our show. So
when the strike happened in all our jobs went away,
every directing job, every acting job, everything went away. I
found myself picking up that material again, calling Naya and
asking her, you know what you think about shooting a

(01:55:06):
proof of concept of this show idea while everybody's on strike,
and when the strike is over, we'll have something to
show as our pitch so people will get it and
see exactly what our vision is. So we set off
to do that, and in the interim, I was like, Okay,
I know I wanted to add more levity, more weight
to the project so it would be hard to get

(01:55:29):
a note because I've been trying to sell my own
television series for twenty years and I've gotten closed sometimes,
but it just had never happened. And so I was like,
this time, we're going full steam ahead. So I decided
to shoot the proof of concept to show so it
wouldn't just be a verbal pitch, but you can visually
see the vision.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
But I wanted to add weight to it.

Speaker 15 (01:55:51):
So I called our friend, Miss Kisha Lance Bottoms, who
was the former mayor of Atlanta, because this is where
I live now, and I asked her if she would
be interested in joining me and producing this show, if
she would be interested, because I had no idea what
you know, if she had any interest in being in

(01:56:12):
entertainment business. And so I met with her, I pitched
her the show I told her was about and she
loved it and she said, absolutely, Terry, I loved this idea.
I would definitely join you. As an executive producer, and
so I was explored. So everything is going and so
now I got Keisha Lanza Bottom as the EP. I

(01:56:32):
got Naya working on our script, and teamed up with
a production company here a gentleman named Errol Sadler and
his company ty Core Films, and we all came together
and we shot a proof of concept, a fifteen minute
proof of concept of our show while everybody was on strike.

(01:56:54):
I had some amazing actors in it, including Joe Marie Payton,
Jay Nova, Christopher Duncan joined me, they Nab Johnson joined me.
So I had some really great talent attached in our
proof of concepts. So when the strike was over, my
agents they sent the materials out into the world and

(01:57:17):
I had a list of people that I really wanted
to work with, Tyler Perry of course being one of them.
So we sent it out to everyone and we immediately
got calls for meetings, and so our first meeting was
set with Tyler Perry Studios, and we're prepping ourselves, me, Naya, Keisha,
we're prepping ourselves for our big pitch meetings. And we

(01:57:40):
get on with Tyler's team and we get ready to
pitch the show, but they start pitching us why they
should be the network, be the production company to.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Do our show.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Hold on, I bet you were like, oh, hold up, yeah,
wait a minute, hold up, y'all pitching off.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
That's exactly what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
So, well, y'all a meeting going What is going on?

Speaker 21 (01:58:07):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (01:58:08):
Right, yep, that's exactly what my sentiment is exactly because
this is never happened to me before. And they make
us an offer right there in our first meeting, and
so we're like, okay, well, can you just hold on
a second because.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
We have some more meetings to get to, and so
they do, and we go on and we have about
five meetings and they're all the same. We get offers.
We had five offers, and.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
That's not normal.

Speaker 15 (01:58:38):
No, that's not normal. Like, oh, it's never happened to me.
I've been pitching TV shows for twenty years. That's never
happened to me. So again, God timing, it's just divine order.
From Keisha to even the strike, all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
I feel like all of it was divine timing.

Speaker 15 (01:58:58):
So in the end, we decided that Tyler Perry Studios
was the perfect partner for us with the collaboration, with
his deal already set with Netflix, like it had all
the things that I already wanted. That I am a
big journaler and believer and manifestation. So I had written
all these things out and everything was there laid out

(01:59:19):
for us. So we chose to go with Tyler Perry Studios.
And here we are one year later after doing all that,
the show's coming out May twenty second on Netflix, and
it's so, how did.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
You decide on tone?

Speaker 17 (01:59:38):
So?

Speaker 8 (01:59:39):
For instance, you know, Tyler has a show called Oval.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
It's a drama, but it's really not a political it's
really like the soap opera. Then you've had a course
political shows like Commander in Chief, you had the West Wing,
you had you Met you a Beat, which is a comedy.
And so when you were when y'all were sitting here
siding at how did you make this where you say,
you know what, I want to go this route because

(02:00:04):
of the tone more comedic as opposed to drama.

Speaker 8 (02:00:09):
You know what was your calculation in that?

Speaker 10 (02:00:12):
So?

Speaker 15 (02:00:13):
You know me, I love comedy and I have built
most of my career and doing comedy.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
I love and can tackle drama at any minute.

Speaker 15 (02:00:24):
But comedy speaks to me for many reasons. I believe
that laughter is healing. I believe that we should spread
more joy in the world than darkness, And though every
story matters for me, I want to focus on bringing
joy into people's lives.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
But I'm also an advocate.

Speaker 15 (02:00:43):
Of making sure our messages get heard and get out
there and we are really talking about something relevant. And
if I can champion and challenge people and really bring
to life all the issues and all the disparities that
we are living in, especially right now in this political climate,
if I can deliver those messages in a way where

(02:01:06):
you're laughing and you can take it in and it's
not just like punched in your face, I feel like
you can be more thought provoking, that we can have
more conversations, that people get more comfortable with talking about
the things that need to be talked about, That we
can laugh at ourselves, we can laugh at the.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
Silliness of all the isms that exist in this.

Speaker 15 (02:01:29):
World and especially in this country, like let's talk about it,
let's take down our guards, let's be more inviting, but
let's listen, learn challenge, And I think in a comedy space,
it just delivers better for me.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
We obviously had a black FEMO vice president for four years. Yes,
when you're putting together your content, what are you drawing from?
Where y'all looking at what she had to go through?
Were you looking at uh you mentioned London breed obviously
Keisha les Bottom. So were you looking at just different
subjects and figuring out how you want to tackle different things?

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
Absolutely?

Speaker 15 (02:02:10):
I mean we had the baseline of where the inspiration
came from, you know, London's journey of getting into the
office and all the stuff that she had to deal with.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
So we do start our story with.

Speaker 15 (02:02:25):
Me becoming the lieutenant governor, the first black lieutenant governor,
and I'm female in the state of Mississippi, and that
alone just sets me up for so many things, so
many struggles, so many challenges that we have to watch
the character Antoinette Dunkerson deal with.

Speaker 8 (02:02:43):
And she okay, So how did you pig Mississippi?

Speaker 15 (02:02:48):
So originally when we shot the proof of concept and
we pitched the idea out, we were based in Atlanta.
Once we went with Tyler Perry and Tyler started at
his creative juices, he knocked it up a notch by
suggesting we take this to Mississippi. Because I mean even

(02:03:08):
when I say that to people that everybody goes, WHOA.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
You know, so reactually is way bigger than what we
have presented.

Speaker 15 (02:03:16):
So he added, And that's the thing with this whole
partnership with Tyler Perry Studios is that it's been super collaborative,
super collaborative. It was like our tone we presented and
he added his sauce to it. And now we have
this beautiful, beautiful show that feels like Deep meets Ship's

(02:03:36):
Creek and it is funny and it's you know, it's
all the things that I love.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
And so that's why I know we made we made
the right decision for many many reason.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
Here's our own staff.

Speaker 8 (02:03:49):
Show.

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
When you're a writer, when you're a creator, when you're
a director, uh, that's a different thing. What it is
the camera and so how do how do do you
relinquish parts of that from when for the folks who
are directing or is everything collaborative? How did that work out?

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
So that's very funny that you bring that up, because
it was very difficult for.

Speaker 15 (02:04:19):
Me to because I had to let go of the
directing hat, even the producing hat while I was playing
this character because she the load was on me, like
the load of the scene, the dialogue, all of it.
It was heavy on my character obviously, and I had

(02:04:39):
to go in.

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
I had to go in with her.

Speaker 15 (02:04:42):
And you know, we not only worked with Tyler, he
of course directed the first AID, but then we have
a second eighth that will launch on Netflix August fourteenth,
and for that AID, Tina Gordon was the director on
those eight and you know, just me being a director

(02:05:03):
and a producer and wanting to control everything, I really
did have to relinquish and trust the both of them
that that they got it. And they did and they
and they brought new things that I hadn't imagined or
thought about. So it was super collaborative and in the
end it was the perfect combination. And I did have

(02:05:24):
to have quite a few come to Jesus moments with
myself to be like, you are acting right now, just
let it go.

Speaker 3 (02:05:32):
And it was the best thing I could have done.

Speaker 25 (02:05:34):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
It's interesting I was talking to Reggie Huttling about about
first on the call sheet.

Speaker 8 (02:05:46):
And didn't she also direct the women's side.

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think he was
that Gordon was okay, So here's so here's what happened.
It was it was a one who directed it. Yeah,
and so here's what was interesting. So when I was
watching it, when I was watching it, uh huh, the
women's interviews.

Speaker 8 (02:06:09):
Were shot totally different than the events.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
And so I hit Reggie, and Reggie said, yeah, I forgot.

Speaker 8 (02:06:18):
The woman who did it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Uh oh, the woman who did the Luther Vegers documentary.
Her name is escaping me.

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
My pology.

Speaker 8 (02:06:23):
But the Botto line is bomb line is.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
She had a different esthetic than he had. And that's
why I asked that question, because again, a different director
has a different vision, and uh, one has to trust
that they are going to you know, how they want
to move and flow to be different from yours.

Speaker 15 (02:06:47):
Yeah, well, I mean the woman just to remind you,
her name was Sola Lynch.

Speaker 8 (02:06:53):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, but you know you're right, and
that was.

Speaker 15 (02:06:58):
Where the trust has to come in. It's like we
had several meetings, we did all the prep stuff. We've
talked for weeks before we started, you know, shooting anything,
talking about all the things, and I just had to
when we did all that, and they know my vision,
they know what I have they shared with theirs is
and we've come to an agreement, and I have to

(02:07:22):
let it go once I got on that set as
the actor, because I had too much of a weight
to carry to still try to hold on to a
little bit of directing or hold on to a little
bit of eping.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
I literally had to just focus on her, and she
was the most important thing for me in that moment.

Speaker 15 (02:07:45):
All my energy, all my love, all my hearts had
to go to Antoinette Dunkerson. And she's so layered and
she's so blawed, and you know, she's a mother of
two teenage kids that she's coparanted with her ex husband.
She has a really boisterous, loud, bold family that she

(02:08:07):
has brought now into the spotlight with her and they
don't like the spotlight, and you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:12):
Know, just dealing with all of that.

Speaker 15 (02:08:14):
Her teenagers can't do this on social media now, so
everybody's hating it. And I'm balancing my family, I'm balancing
the politics and all.

Speaker 3 (02:08:24):
The things that that brings. And that's why I love
this character so much.

Speaker 6 (02:08:27):
That she's real.

Speaker 3 (02:08:28):
It's a real woman.

Speaker 15 (02:08:30):
It's a real mother, a real wife, a real you know,
a real black woman in America.

Speaker 3 (02:08:36):
So there's so many things, so many things.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
When you do a traditional linear network show, that show
airs just really and just domestically in the United States.
The difference with Netflix is mean.

Speaker 8 (02:08:53):
When you launch your instantly worldwide.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
So that also I think makes this a lot different
uh than traditional TV.

Speaker 15 (02:09:03):
Fair true, true, But you know, from the from my
viewpoint as the artists, as the actor, I don't that
I'm not thinking about that.

Speaker 3 (02:09:15):
My commitment is to telling a truthful story.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
Right right, right, as to say, but as the artist.
But but the business side of the business is that
is that when this show launches, it won't just be
folks here you also there'll be people all across the
globe who will also be watching and checking it out.
Uh uh and and and and getting an understanding of

(02:09:41):
this character in this show.

Speaker 3 (02:09:43):
That is so right and again again uh, God's divine
hand on this.

Speaker 15 (02:09:49):
This is a marriage, a message, a show of stories
that need to be told beyond just in domestically. Beyond that,
it needs to be told worldwide because our images that
go out into the world is how people view us.
And that's important, the images that we're putting out. So

(02:10:12):
that's always been very important to me too. And my
wish was to be on Netflix because I wanted a
bigger platform, because I thought this story was worth being
told worldwide.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
For so many reasons and we all know it.

Speaker 15 (02:10:29):
So to me, this is so much bigger And I
know people say that all the time, but it is
way bigger than me, way because if it was just
about me, I feel like if it would have been
sold many years ago, it would not have the impact
that it's having right now, at this divine time that
God has placed she the people out to the world.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
It needs to a couple of more questions. First, how
the heck did you get sixteen episodes? A lot of
shows these days just eight episodes, and explain why the
why why why the separation is supposed to run in
the continuously or watching.

Speaker 8 (02:11:07):
Having driving.

Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
Yeah, so that is something I don't know why they
separate them.

Speaker 8 (02:11:16):
But how we got the team.

Speaker 15 (02:11:19):
That's the Tyler Perry power. That's what his deal was.
So again, several reasons why he was the perfect pick
for us. We walked into a Netflix deal by teaming
up with him, and the deal was for sixteen episodes
for the first season.

Speaker 3 (02:11:35):
God, he's so good to.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
Me, all right, then, So the people, Okay, hold on
one second.

Speaker 8 (02:11:44):
Uh huh, Okay, there we go, there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
I'm back. I'm back.

Speaker 8 (02:11:50):
So She the People drops on Netflix win.

Speaker 15 (02:11:54):
May twenty second on Netflix. She the People May twenty
second on net Flix for the first eight. The second
eight will drop August fourteenth on Netflix.

Speaker 8 (02:12:06):
All right, Dary, well, looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
And of course you got your hands full of a
whole bunch of stuff, and so glad, glad you could
puease us little.

Speaker 8 (02:12:19):
People in roll.

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
You know what you mean your time, You know what you.

Speaker 3 (02:12:27):
Mean to me, sir, You know it, what you mean
to all of us, to our culture. So absolutely, thank
you for calling.

Speaker 15 (02:12:34):
Thank you so much for offering me the opportunity to
come on your platform to talk about our show.

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
And I just want to make y'all proud and make
y'all happy.

Speaker 8 (02:12:43):
All right, looking forward to the laughs.

Speaker 15 (02:12:45):
All right, yes, lap lap last, I appreciate you, brother,
Thanks lot, take.

Speaker 6 (02:12:49):
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