June 10, 2025 • 28 mins
1. Trump vs. Newsom – National Guard Deployment Controversy:
- The first part of the podcast details a heated political and legal conflict between Donald Trump and Gavin Newsom over the deployment of the National Guard to Los Angeles during anti-ICE protests.
- Newsom accuses Trump of manufacturing chaos and violating constitutional norms by sending troops without proper coordination.
- Trump defends his actions as necessary to restore law and order, blaming Newsom for allowing unrest and protecting criminal illegal immigrants.
- The narrative includes strong partisan rhetoric, with both sides accusing each other of political opportunism and incompetence.
2. Biden Autopen Controversy – Legitimacy of Executive Orders:
- The second part shifts focus to a controversy surrounding the alleged use of an autopen to sign key executive orders during Joe Biden’s presidency.
- A conservative energy advocacy group, Power the Future, claims that Biden may not have been aware of or authorized several major climate-related executive actions.
- The group and several Republican lawmakers are calling for congressional investigations into whether unelected aides signed these orders without Biden’s knowledge.
- The controversy raises constitutional questions about presidential authority, transparency, and the legality of executive actions signed via autopen.
- Critics argue this could represent a significant breach of democratic norms, while legal scholars note that courts have historically upheld the use of autopen under certain conditions.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is an all out war now between Gavin Newsom,
law and order and Donald Trump. Is now Gavin Newsom
is calling Donald Trump a stone cold liar, and California
is now threatening.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
To sue Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Now, Donald Trump talked about what's happening in California, and
I'm gonna play that for you in a moment, but
I want to get into the California governor first, And
Gavin Newsom is quote furious about Trump sending in the
National Guard to deal with the anarchy. The California governor
said the state will sue Trump and the administration for
(00:37):
a quote deploying the National Guard to quell the anti
ice protests. Law enforcement officers and protesters are clashing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Now. It's what day three in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Locals have taken a visible stand against the president's anti
immigration agenda. Agenda, he claims, and in response, Donald Trump ordered,
this is their spin on it, hundreds of National Guards
troops to intervene and move that Newsom to pride as
a seed intended to quote manufacture chaos and violence, even
(01:08):
though clearly it was done to do the complete opposite
of that. Protect law and order, protect men and women
in uniform protect ICE agents and protect the looting and
anarchy that's happening right now. Quote, Donald Trump has created
the conditions you see on your TV tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So Gavin Newsom's telling MSNBC that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Trump's order is what caused all this, not illegal immigrants
who were angry that ICE agents were coming in to
get stone cold killers, murders, rapists, child molesters, sex traffickers,
fetanyl sellers, and actual people that are involved in terrorist
organizations off the street.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, no, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Newsom says Trump's order is unconstitutional and it's his fault
that LA is burning.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He said he's putting fuel on this fire.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now attention, he would refer to it that way because
it was just twenty four hours early that Newsom and
those in LA and quentn the mayor said that like
there was no issue, there was no riot, there was
no violence, that everything was fine.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So my question is what happened in the last twelve hours.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Trump's executive order was very clear. It directed the Department
of Defense to coordinate with effective governors to distribute National
Guard troops throughout their states. But as Newsom tells it,
they never did opening room as they describe it for
the lawsuit, saying, quote, there's protocol, there's a process. He
didn't care about that. So again, Trump's trying to stop anarchy.
Knew some saying it's your fault. There is anarchy, even
(02:36):
though we're the ones that led in millions of illegals
and we were allowing them to surround and attack ice
federal agents and locked them in essence in their buildings surrounded.
Newsomb also said he spoke with the President for nearly
twenty minutes over the phone late Friday after the protests
it started, but that the protests quote barely came up
(02:58):
despite his attempts as to the conversations towards LA if
anybody believes that you're an idiot, but we'll keep going.
He then wanted to say he wanted to talk about
all these other issues. Newsom continued he never once brought
the National Guard. He's a stone cold liar, he said
he did. I've always wanted to approach engagement with the
President of the United States in a respectful and responsible way.
(03:19):
But there's no working with this president. There's only working
for him, and I will never work for Donald Trump.
Gavin Newsom said now in a separate interview with podcaster
Brian Tyler Cohen, which is interesting that again he's got time.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
To go on a podcast right while while LA's burning.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Newsom warned that define the language of the executive order
will allow Trump to replicate the situation in LA in
cities across the country, saying, quote, this is a preview
for things to come. This isn't about La per se.
It's about us today and you everyone watching tomorrow. Donald
Trump is unhinged right now. News went on to say,
(04:00):
so Donald Trump was asked about this, and again Newsom
is now saying, we're going to sue Donald Trump, sending
Democrats love to do.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Sue Donald Trump. Take a listen to this from the president.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And right around the time that we were walking in here,
the governor and the state attorney general said that they're
going to sue you for sending the National Guard. And
they're saying, there's no invasion, there's no rebellion. The president
is trying to manufacture chaos and crisis on the ground
for his own political ends. Federalizing the California National Guard
is an abuse of the president's authority under law.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, you know it's interesting, you watched the same clips
as I did. Cars burning all over the place, people
riding and by the way we stopped it, we were
able to make it much better, but it still looked
pretty bad. And in watching clips last night, people were saying,
this is really a big problem, and until we went in,
if we didn't do the job, that place would be
burning down, just like.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
The houses burned down. They were in big.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Trouble last night, Peter, you know it, and the night before,
night before that, And I feel we had no choice.
I don't want to see I don't want to see
happen what happened so many times in this country. I
watched Minneapolis burn, I watched look at what happened in
so many different parts of California. You take a look
at what happened in San Diego. There's so many different
(05:20):
places where we let it burn. We want to be
politically correct, we wanted to be nice. We want to
be nice to the criminal, and what you're doing is
destroying the fabric of our life in this country. Now,
we did the right thing. We've been given credit for
by people that I would least suspect why I would
say that some of the people that came in and
said Thank goodness, they said, some of them, thank god
(05:44):
that Trump got involved. And I'm very happy I got involved,
and I think Gavin, in his own way, is probably
happy I got involved.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
You go ahead.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
What do you make of the fact that he says,
you want a civil war on the streets of America?
Speaker 5 (06:00):
So it's just the opposite. I don't want a civil war.
Civil war would happen if you left it, if you
left it to people like him. And I liked him,
you know, I always got along with him, never had
a problem with him.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
But he's grossly incompetent.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So let me just make a prediction for you.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
When you hear Gavin Newsom saying what he just said,
what you need to understand is that this is not
organic what we're witnessing in California. Number one and number two,
and this is my prediction, is you are going to
witness this summer virtually a repeat of what we saw
(06:38):
with the summer of the Black Lives.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Matter rallies slash riots.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The Democratic Party and the dictators and tyrants, the communists,
the socialists, the Marxists that have the money, they're going
to fund this damn thing, and they're going to fund
it and they're going to make sure that they're people
that are shipped around the country, and they're gonna have
people that organize it, and they're gonna have people that
(07:05):
use social media and texting to get the anarchy started.
And they're going to do this is my prediction, the
same thing that we saw with Black Lives Matter. They
want unrest, they want civil unrest, and they want you
depend it on Trump so that when Trump sends in
the National Guards, like see, he's the one instigan is
He's the one that's setting the city on fire. It's
(07:26):
not us, It's Donald Trump that's doing it. Let's also
realize here who they're defending. They're defending illegal immigrants. I'm
gonna say that again. They're defending illegal immigrants over American
cities that are burning. They're advocating for people who are
in this country that are wanted for committing the most
heinous crimes you can commit, because that is who Ice
(07:49):
is going after. La They were not going after people
that were just in the country illegally. They were going
after hardened criminals. They weren't just picking up mom and
pop illegal immigrants. Now by the way I think they
should be. But they weren't, and that is who the
Democratic Party is protecting. So I'm gonna just tell you
right now, get ready for this. Okay, get ready for it.
(08:12):
This is coming to have a lot of other cities.
I have a gut feeling Donald Trump and Gavin Newsom.
Gavin Newsom not threatening to sue illegal immigrants that are
gang bangers and child molesters. Know he's threatening to sue
Donald Trump number one. Number two, Donald Trump is talking
about why he's sent in the National Guard. And there's
(08:34):
also been questions about if Gavin Newsom continues to defive
federal law and obstruct justice, should he be arrested.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I want you to hear more of the Q and
A with Donald Trump. Listen, when you were.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Talking about unrest in American cities, you said.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Quote, we have to go by the laws.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
We can't call in the National Guard unless we're requested
by a governor.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
What change now?
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Why is this situation different to not consult with Governor
Newsom about that?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
The biggest shame from that statement as we have an
incompetent governor. So I talked about governors, but I didn't
talk about he's an incompetent governor. Look at the job
he's doing in California. He's destroying one of our great states.
And if I didn't get involved, if we didn't bring
the guard in, and we would bring more in if
we needed it, because we have to make sure there's
going to be law and order. You had a disaster happening,
(09:23):
and they now admit it was a disaster. I watched
the chief yesterday, was a good man, by the way,
and he said, well, we're lucky we did this because
they were overwhelmed. You saw what was happening, so we
did the right thing. Everybody agrees to that. But you
have a governor who let the city burn down, and
we didn't want water to be sent down to him,
(09:44):
and I sent billions of gallons of water. Said I
wanted to do it in the first term. We wouldn't
do it over I don't know they have environmental reasons,
but there were no environmental reasons. It's I think it's
just a political philosophy. But it's lucky for the people
in Los Angeles and in California that we did what
(10:04):
we did.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
We got it just in time. It's still simmering a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Primary crime is running for governor because he's done such
a bad job. What he's done to that state is
like what Biden did to this country, and that's pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
It's wrong philosophy.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Thousands, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, many of them prisoners.
They are taking up your health care, they're taking up
your space and schools, they're taking up your hospital and
in many cases they're criminals, and we have to do
something about it, and we're doing something about it. I
want to thank the incredible patriots of Ice and Tom
Holman who's been incredible, and Christinome likewise incredible. The job
(10:49):
they're doing. It's like an unforced era. There was no
reason for this. Twenty one million people were allowed into
our country and many of those people were criminals, and
it's a shame. It's a shame, but we're getting them out.
And I will say it's I think it's a ninety
five to five issue, just like so many other issues,
(11:09):
ninety five to five and the Democrats lost an election
in a landslide because they're on the wrong side of
the issues. I mean, it's not even conceivable that somebody
would do.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
The kind of things that he did.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
And then you know, you talk about projects they want
to build a train going from San Francisco to la
and it's costing hundreds of billions of dollars more than
they thought it was going to cost. It's not even
believable to bread and to people sitting here.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Would you believe that a train it was.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Going to cost X dollars that it might be one
hundred times X would.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Have paid for this for about fifty million American children.
You're right, fifty million American children. Instead of a three
mile train track that never got built.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
We could have put Lincoln in George with no experience.
He would have done a good job. I guarantee you
that a right, please, Peter.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So it seems like Gavin Newsom likes the attention that
he's getting right now from it seems like he does.
If you look at recent history, somebody who was running
for president you who got arrested and had a mug shot,
you could make the argument that politically that wound up
helping you. Are you worried at all at this moment?
(12:27):
But talking about him getting arrested could be helpful to
his political prospects because a lot of people think he
wants to be sitting right where you are.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Well, in my case, it was a witch hunt and
everybody knew it, and I was able to explain that
during the process, otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here right now,
and it was a total witch hunt. Has proved to
be a witch hunt. And you see what's happened in
his case. It really is very obvious. You look at
what's happened between the fires between I could name ten
things right now. We talk about the trains, we talk
(12:57):
about all of the costs, and you talk about all
of the people that are flowing and destroying life for
everyone else. So no, I don't think it's going to
help him. I think it's I think it's actually very
bad for him.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, let me also just be clear about Gavin Newsom
and what he's trying to do here. He's trying to
give himself a platform to run against the Republican Party
and really Donald Trump and whoever becomes Trump two point
zero jd Vance is who he's obviously thinking here. So
this is a political move, all right, political move, straight
(13:33):
up political move by Gavin Newsom to say this is
a political war. You can watch this happen on TV
if you're watching MSNBC, for example, it was said earlier today.
Any Democrat fighting against Trump, it always accrues to their benefit,
is what one of.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The guys said on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
They're not thinking about human life, protecting property, They're only
thinking about the politics.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Take a wish.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
Newsom has been recently trying to move a bit towards
the middle. You know, he's gone on some writing podcasts,
He's made some statements about trans athletes that really royals
a lot of the Democratic base. Does this help him
get Democrats back on side as some have kind of
grown frustration with the way he's been moving and speaking
in recent months.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
Well as a political matter alone, I mean putting aside
the more im morality of the authoritat nature of stuff
that we're seeing as a political matter for sure. You know,
any Democrat showing a fight against Donald Trump, it always
accrues to the benefit of those, whether you know Jasmincrockett, AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Gavin Newsom, whoever it might be. If you
(14:42):
are demonstrating that you know, you have the courage, the
convictions of your and the confidence to assert that you
have a very different moral and values driven viewpoint of America,
one that is built around solidarity of all of us
and not picking on a up on the weakest and weakest.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Then yeah, I think that it's going to prove.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Him politically for sure, and we'll see how way that goes.
Whether you can become a president off of that, don't know,
but I think we're all looking for and wanting strong
leadership in this moment to take on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I mean you hear this.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Any Democrat fighting against Trump, it always occurs to a
cruise to their benefit. So this is politics. This is
not about safety. They don't care people die, right like
they don't care. Baker also said on Trump and Newsome
trading insults. He says Trump operates better when he has
a putug enemy. He looks for people to contend with,
so they don't understand that there are people suffering in
(15:39):
the streets.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
No, it's again all political.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Newsome and now it's on Pierre.
Speaker 9 (15:45):
To that point, Trump has been picking a fight with
Gavin Newsom for years, obviously probably because of his potential
presidential aspirations. But there's a bit of why are you
so obsessed with me?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Going on?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Here? You know, Trump is president, he's in the Oval office,
he is tom limited. Why does he care so much
about who potentially runs in twenty twenty eight, and should
that tell us something?
Speaker 11 (16:07):
Well, Trump always operates better when he has an enemy, right,
Politically speaking, he is most comfortable.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
When he has somebody to go after.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
And at the moment, he doesn't have a challenger, right,
he doesn't have a you know, another candidate to go after,
and so he's looking for people.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
To contend with. He likes to mix it up in
some ways.
Speaker 11 (16:25):
Gavin Newsom is an obvious, you know, antagonist. He's the
head of the largest state in the country.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
He's the head of a state that.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Is seen as an example of liberal America, which Trump
is targeting in so many ways through academia, through law firms,
through you know, the news organizations, and so on.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
You know, Trump believes that he, or.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
At least is given the idea that he is deconstructing
the liberal state as it were, as it's developed over
the last number of generations. And in some ways, Gavin
Newsom represents that he represents the state that represents that.
It's also you know, Newsom is a pugilist as well.
He has some of the Trumpian qualities. He's willing to
get out there and mix it up himself.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
He doesn't mind it goes scrap politically.
Speaker 11 (17:04):
I think he likes being the one who will take
on Donald Trump and being the one person that Trump
seems most eager to fight with.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
This is again how little they care about law enforcement
or human life power. The Future is now calling Congress
to investigate the validity of former President Joe Biden's signatures. Now,
a pro energy group is renewing their call now for
this investigation into over half a dozen Biden administration executive
(17:37):
actions specifically related to climate that it believes should be
deemed Nolan void due to them being signed by an
Auto Pin without any public comment at all from the
former President Joe Biden, confirming his knowledge of even what
was happening. They reviewed eight by an executive orders that
(17:58):
it says were signignificant shifts in domestic energy policy, and
they said it found no evidence of the present speaking
about any of these eight publicly, raising major concerns that
the orders were signed by auto Pen and that he
was not even aware that they were going to become
executive action, saying quote, these are not obscure bureaucratic memos,
(18:21):
these were fundamental shifts in American energy policy, yet not
once did Joe Biden speak about them publicly. That's what
Daniel Turner, the founder executive director of Power for the Future,
said in an interview. Now the executive order is reviewed
by Power of the Future. Included an Arctic drilling ban
in twenty twenty three, also a twenty twenty one executive
(18:44):
order committing the federal government to quote net zero admissions
by twenty fifty and an executive order mandating quote clean
energy AI centers and an offshore drilling ban executive order
that Joe Biden, in theory, signed before leaving office in
twenty twenty five, They said, finding no evidence of Biden
(19:07):
publicly speaking about the executive orders on climate, they then
sent a letter this week to the DOJ, the EPADI,
and DOE, along with the House and Senate oversight committees,
calling for an investigation to determine who made these decisions,
who drafted the executive orders, and ultimately who signed them,
(19:31):
since they believe it clearly wasn't Joe Biden. Quote in
light of the growing evidence that actions purportedly taken by
the former president may not have been approved or signed
by him, but instead by a small group of advisors
in his name, without his knowledge, or over his signature,
using an auto pen. The need for Congressional access to
(19:52):
information has grown in importance with these revelations. The letter
to the GOP House Oversight Committee Chair James co states saying, quote,
Congress deserves to know how or whether these executive actions
were authorized and whether the former president was aware of
such orders before they were implemented by the federal bureaucracy.
(20:15):
Were these actions taken on behalf of the president and
purporting to excuse authority undertaken with the president's knowledge an
approach question mark. It appears incumbent upon Congress to inquire
about all parties involved in these actions, who instructed them
to do what and when now. The president's auto pen
(20:37):
has been a topic of conversation in Republican circles in
recent weeks and months, as questions continue about Biden's mental
acuity during his presidency, particularly the last few days when
they've come under scrutiny after the release of Jake Tapper
and Alex Thompson's book Original Sin. One of the things
that is very clear is now those of the White
(20:59):
House are concerned that the President of the United States of
America may have been hijacked by a group of individuals
who had no authority or power to do what they
were doing. I want you to take a listen to this.
As Representative Jim Jordans shared his concerns about Biden's alleged
auto pen use and who was actually behind it.
Speaker 12 (21:20):
Chris preparing to blow the lid off the biggest political
cover up in American history as more troubling information emerges
about former President Joe Biden's mental decline. Now, according to
a brand new bombshell book, one insider made it clear
that there were account of five people running the country
and Biden was not one of them. So the question
(21:41):
is obvious who was running the show? Well, according to
one cabinet secretary, it was Biden's aide who held all
the power. Now that book's co author is actually calling
out the undemocratic Biden white house.
Speaker 13 (21:55):
These aides were not even Senate confirmed aids. These are
a white House aids. These were unelecked people. And one
of the things that really think comes out and are
reporting here is that if you believe, and I think
a lot of these people do sincerely believe that Donald
Trump was and is an essential threat to democracy. You
can nationalize anything, including sometimes doing undemocratic things, which I
think is what this person is talking about.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
Heard a lot of that in my conversations with Lindy
Lee Maytime. Congress is also investigating that cover up. The Senate,
in fact, wants to talk with twenty eight top level
Biden officials, while the House has had to be looking
into unauthorized us of the auto pen by Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
When you sign a document that has legal implications, it
has to be signed perfectly. It can't be signed by
an autopin. So I think that if we can understand
more about the autopen and whether or not Joe Biden
authorized it, I think this could lead to a lot
of those executive orders being kicked out in court.
Speaker 12 (22:53):
James Comer speaking there with Jesse Waters. Maintime House Republicans
are also demanding to hear from Biden, doctor, and four
other White House officials in an effort to uncover the truth.
So joining us now is the Judiciary Committee Chair and
Ohio Congressman, the Great Jim Jordan Congressman.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Listen, this is a simple question.
Speaker 12 (23:13):
For you, What, if anything, can we expect to happen
in the wake of these House investigations into the Biden
cover up and the autopen use.
Speaker 14 (23:22):
Well, I don't know if there's an easy answer. I mean,
we'll see. I think Chairman Comer will probably lead this investigation.
We can look at the folks who were supposedly making
the decision. One thing we know for sure it wasn't
Joe Biden, So we can talk to these folks. My
guess is they'll try to assert some privilege if in
fact we.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Ever bring them in.
Speaker 14 (23:39):
But you're I think it's right in your lead there.
You talk about it's supposed to be people who put
their name on the ballot, who are elected by we,
the people who make the decision. It's not supposed to
be other folks who aren't elected or in this case
aren't even confirmed by the United States Senate. So we'll
dig into this. But I think the real culprit, of course,
is the media. And you mentioned that, But I mean,
(24:00):
Jake Tapper made money tell us everything was fine. Now
he's making more money writing the book telling us no,
it wasn't fine. I think that's the real concern here,
is what the mainstream media got away with, or what
they thought they were getting away with the good news
is the American people figured it out on November fifth
and made sure President Trump was our next president.
Speaker 15 (24:18):
They sure did. Congressman, I want to stick on the
topic of Biden's autopen use. You know, specifically, we're hearing
that he used the autopend to sign executive orders right
issuing pardons. Senator Roger Marshall last night told us that
could be a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They didn't think.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
We understood, They didn't think we knew what was going on, but.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We did, and we're I'm especially especially concerned about the
people that he pardoned.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
And he was pardoning these folks even though they hadn't
been convicted of a crime. It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 15 (24:45):
Congressman, on that note, do you think those pardons are
executive orders? Are those void invalid?
Speaker 8 (24:52):
I think what you have.
Speaker 14 (24:53):
To demonstrate is that the folks who actually signed him,
or whoever did, or whether it was the autopin or
what's how Joe Biden didn't really give it the okay.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Now.
Speaker 14 (25:03):
I think if you get him in they'll probably say, well,
my boss told me it was fine, or we heard
that the President said it was fine.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
We got okay from whoever whoever we worked.
Speaker 14 (25:10):
For there in the way. I soon they'll do some
kind of some kind of rational, some kind of answer
like that. But again, you got to work through this
all we If we bring these folks in, you'll have
to ask them, you may have to even subpoena. And
then at some point when they come in, will they
assert some kind of privilege, executive privilege.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
That's all.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
That's all part of it. We'll just have to see.
Speaker 14 (25:28):
But as I said, I think I think the Oversight
Committee under Chairman Comer on the House side will probably
will probably lead this investigation.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
All right, So let's go back to the legal nature
of this and get down to the brass tax of
this subject of an auto pen number one, it's a
device that physically holds a pen in his programmed to
replicate a person's signature. The Justice Departments Office the Legal
Counsel determined in two thousand and five that the President's
permitted to use an autopen to sign bills into law,
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and the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit
issued a ruling in February that said the absence of
a writing does not equate to proof that a commutation
did not occur.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Quote unquote now.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
In March, President Trump claimed that Biden's pardons of lawmakers
who served on the House Select Committee to investigate the
January sixth Capitol riot and others are quote void, alleging
that they had been signed via an autopen and that
Biden did not even know about them. Now, despite Trump's
concern over the validia Biden's pardons due the alleged use
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of an autopen, conscidial scholars have said, well, this is
going to be a tough one in court and a
very high barred across to be able to get this undone.
Jonathan Turley put it this way on Fox, saying, quote
presidents are allowed to use the autopen and courts will
not presume a dead hand conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Now Power the Future's letter.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
References House Speaker Mike Johnson, who in January shared that
Biden and during a meeting, appeared to forget that he
signed an order to pause liquid national gas exports. A
report published by an arm of the Heritage Foundation also
claimed that the majority of official documents signed by Biden
were allegedly an auto pen signature, and there's a very
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good chance the president didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
At all now.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
During the Biden administration, hundreds of billions of dollars were
funneled towards pet green projects while the American fossil fuels
industry was punished, and there is no evidence that Biden
ordered it, directed it, or even was aware it was
happening in his name. That is another big question that's
now being asked.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So do we deserve to know, yes, who.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Was signing the executive orders behind closed doors. It's a
great question where people paying for access, and the autopin
scandal is evidence that many of these executive orders, many
of them green executive orders, could number one very well
be invalid and the American people deserve to know it
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should be thoroughly investigated by the Department of Justice. I
think it's clear that's a violation to trust the American
people and it could have been a great fraud done
on the American people in the name of the President
when he didn't even know it was actually happening. Make
sure you share this podcast with your family and friends,
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we appreciate you listening every day.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We'll see you back here tomorrow.
It is an all out war now between Gavin Newsom,
law and order and Donald Trump. Is now Gavin Newsom
is calling Donald Trump a stone cold liar, and California
is now threatening.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
To sue Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Now, Donald Trump talked about what's happening in California, and
I'm gonna play that for you in a moment, but
I want to get into the California governor first, And
Gavin Newsom is quote furious about Trump sending in the
National Guard to deal with the anarchy. The California governor
said the state will sue Trump and the administration for
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a quote deploying the National Guard to quell the anti
ice protests. Law enforcement officers and protesters are clashing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Now. It's what day three in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Locals have taken a visible stand against the president's anti
immigration agenda. Agenda, he claims, and in response, Donald Trump ordered,
this is their spin on it, hundreds of National Guards
troops to intervene and move that Newsom to pride as
a seed intended to quote manufacture chaos and violence, even
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though clearly it was done to do the complete opposite
of that. Protect law and order, protect men and women
in uniform protect ICE agents and protect the looting and
anarchy that's happening right now. Quote, Donald Trump has created
the conditions you see on your TV tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So Gavin Newsom's telling MSNBC that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Trump's order is what caused all this, not illegal immigrants
who were angry that ICE agents were coming in to
get stone cold killers, murders, rapists, child molesters, sex traffickers,
fetanyl sellers, and actual people that are involved in terrorist
organizations off the street.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, no, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Newsom says Trump's order is unconstitutional and it's his fault
that LA is burning.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He said he's putting fuel on this fire.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now attention, he would refer to it that way because
it was just twenty four hours early that Newsom and
those in LA and quentn the mayor said that like
there was no issue, there was no riot, there was
no violence, that everything was fine.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So my question is what happened in the last twelve hours.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Trump's executive order was very clear. It directed the Department
of Defense to coordinate with effective governors to distribute National
Guard troops throughout their states. But as Newsom tells it,
they never did opening room as they describe it for
the lawsuit, saying, quote, there's protocol, there's a process. He
didn't care about that. So again, Trump's trying to stop anarchy.
Knew some saying it's your fault. There is anarchy, even
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though we're the ones that led in millions of illegals
and we were allowing them to surround and attack ice
federal agents and locked them in essence in their buildings surrounded.
Newsomb also said he spoke with the President for nearly
twenty minutes over the phone late Friday after the protests
it started, but that the protests quote barely came up
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despite his attempts as to the conversations towards LA if
anybody believes that you're an idiot, but we'll keep going.
He then wanted to say he wanted to talk about
all these other issues. Newsom continued he never once brought
the National Guard. He's a stone cold liar, he said
he did. I've always wanted to approach engagement with the
President of the United States in a respectful and responsible way.
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But there's no working with this president. There's only working
for him, and I will never work for Donald Trump.
Gavin Newsom said now in a separate interview with podcaster
Brian Tyler Cohen, which is interesting that again he's got time.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
To go on a podcast right while while LA's burning.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Newsom warned that define the language of the executive order
will allow Trump to replicate the situation in LA in
cities across the country, saying, quote, this is a preview
for things to come. This isn't about La per se.
It's about us today and you everyone watching tomorrow. Donald
Trump is unhinged right now. News went on to say,
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so Donald Trump was asked about this, and again Newsom
is now saying, we're going to sue Donald Trump, sending
Democrats love to do.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Sue Donald Trump. Take a listen to this from the president.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And right around the time that we were walking in here,
the governor and the state attorney general said that they're
going to sue you for sending the National Guard. And
they're saying, there's no invasion, there's no rebellion. The president
is trying to manufacture chaos and crisis on the ground
for his own political ends. Federalizing the California National Guard
is an abuse of the president's authority under law.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, you know it's interesting, you watched the same clips
as I did. Cars burning all over the place, people
riding and by the way we stopped it, we were
able to make it much better, but it still looked
pretty bad. And in watching clips last night, people were saying,
this is really a big problem, and until we went in,
if we didn't do the job, that place would be
burning down, just like.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
The houses burned down. They were in big.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Trouble last night, Peter, you know it, and the night before,
night before that, And I feel we had no choice.
I don't want to see I don't want to see
happen what happened so many times in this country. I
watched Minneapolis burn, I watched look at what happened in
so many different parts of California. You take a look
at what happened in San Diego. There's so many different
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places where we let it burn. We want to be
politically correct, we wanted to be nice. We want to
be nice to the criminal, and what you're doing is
destroying the fabric of our life in this country. Now,
we did the right thing. We've been given credit for
by people that I would least suspect why I would
say that some of the people that came in and
said Thank goodness, they said, some of them, thank god
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that Trump got involved. And I'm very happy I got involved,
and I think Gavin, in his own way, is probably
happy I got involved.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
You go ahead.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
What do you make of the fact that he says,
you want a civil war on the streets of America?
Speaker 5 (06:00):
So it's just the opposite. I don't want a civil war.
Civil war would happen if you left it, if you
left it to people like him. And I liked him,
you know, I always got along with him, never had
a problem with him.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
But he's grossly incompetent.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So let me just make a prediction for you.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
When you hear Gavin Newsom saying what he just said,
what you need to understand is that this is not
organic what we're witnessing in California. Number one and number two,
and this is my prediction, is you are going to
witness this summer virtually a repeat of what we saw
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with the summer of the Black Lives.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Matter rallies slash riots.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The Democratic Party and the dictators and tyrants, the communists,
the socialists, the Marxists that have the money, they're going
to fund this damn thing, and they're going to fund
it and they're going to make sure that they're people
that are shipped around the country, and they're gonna have
people that organize it, and they're gonna have people that
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use social media and texting to get the anarchy started.
And they're going to do this is my prediction, the
same thing that we saw with Black Lives Matter. They
want unrest, they want civil unrest, and they want you
depend it on Trump so that when Trump sends in
the National Guards, like see, he's the one instigan is
He's the one that's setting the city on fire. It's
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not us, It's Donald Trump that's doing it. Let's also
realize here who they're defending. They're defending illegal immigrants. I'm
gonna say that again. They're defending illegal immigrants over American
cities that are burning. They're advocating for people who are
in this country that are wanted for committing the most
heinous crimes you can commit, because that is who Ice
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is going after. La They were not going after people
that were just in the country illegally. They were going
after hardened criminals. They weren't just picking up mom and
pop illegal immigrants. Now by the way I think they
should be. But they weren't, and that is who the
Democratic Party is protecting. So I'm gonna just tell you
right now, get ready for this. Okay, get ready for it.
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This is coming to have a lot of other cities.
I have a gut feeling Donald Trump and Gavin Newsom.
Gavin Newsom not threatening to sue illegal immigrants that are
gang bangers and child molesters. Know he's threatening to sue
Donald Trump number one. Number two, Donald Trump is talking
about why he's sent in the National Guard. And there's
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also been questions about if Gavin Newsom continues to defive
federal law and obstruct justice, should he be arrested.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I want you to hear more of the Q and
A with Donald Trump. Listen, when you were.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Talking about unrest in American cities, you said.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Quote, we have to go by the laws.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
We can't call in the National Guard unless we're requested
by a governor.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
What change now?
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Why is this situation different to not consult with Governor
Newsom about that?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
The biggest shame from that statement as we have an
incompetent governor. So I talked about governors, but I didn't
talk about he's an incompetent governor. Look at the job
he's doing in California. He's destroying one of our great states.
And if I didn't get involved, if we didn't bring
the guard in, and we would bring more in if
we needed it, because we have to make sure there's
going to be law and order. You had a disaster happening,
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and they now admit it was a disaster. I watched
the chief yesterday, was a good man, by the way,
and he said, well, we're lucky we did this because
they were overwhelmed. You saw what was happening, so we
did the right thing. Everybody agrees to that. But you
have a governor who let the city burn down, and
we didn't want water to be sent down to him,
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and I sent billions of gallons of water. Said I
wanted to do it in the first term. We wouldn't
do it over I don't know they have environmental reasons,
but there were no environmental reasons. It's I think it's
just a political philosophy. But it's lucky for the people
in Los Angeles and in California that we did what
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we did.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
We got it just in time. It's still simmering a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Primary crime is running for governor because he's done such
a bad job. What he's done to that state is
like what Biden did to this country, and that's pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
It's wrong philosophy.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Thousands, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, many of them prisoners.
They are taking up your health care, they're taking up
your space and schools, they're taking up your hospital and
in many cases they're criminals, and we have to do
something about it, and we're doing something about it. I
want to thank the incredible patriots of Ice and Tom
Holman who's been incredible, and Christinome likewise incredible. The job
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they're doing. It's like an unforced era. There was no
reason for this. Twenty one million people were allowed into
our country and many of those people were criminals, and
it's a shame. It's a shame, but we're getting them out.
And I will say it's I think it's a ninety
five to five issue, just like so many other issues,
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ninety five to five and the Democrats lost an election
in a landslide because they're on the wrong side of
the issues. I mean, it's not even conceivable that somebody
would do.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
The kind of things that he did.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
And then you know, you talk about projects they want
to build a train going from San Francisco to la
and it's costing hundreds of billions of dollars more than
they thought it was going to cost. It's not even
believable to bread and to people sitting here.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Would you believe that a train it was.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Going to cost X dollars that it might be one
hundred times X would.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Have paid for this for about fifty million American children.
You're right, fifty million American children. Instead of a three
mile train track that never got built.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
We could have put Lincoln in George with no experience.
He would have done a good job. I guarantee you
that a right, please, Peter.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So it seems like Gavin Newsom likes the attention that
he's getting right now from it seems like he does.
If you look at recent history, somebody who was running
for president you who got arrested and had a mug shot,
you could make the argument that politically that wound up
helping you. Are you worried at all at this moment?
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But talking about him getting arrested could be helpful to
his political prospects because a lot of people think he
wants to be sitting right where you are.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Well, in my case, it was a witch hunt and
everybody knew it, and I was able to explain that
during the process, otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here right now,
and it was a total witch hunt. Has proved to
be a witch hunt. And you see what's happened in
his case. It really is very obvious. You look at
what's happened between the fires between I could name ten
things right now. We talk about the trains, we talk
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about all of the costs, and you talk about all
of the people that are flowing and destroying life for
everyone else. So no, I don't think it's going to
help him. I think it's I think it's actually very
bad for him.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Well, let me also just be clear about Gavin Newsom
and what he's trying to do here. He's trying to
give himself a platform to run against the Republican Party
and really Donald Trump and whoever becomes Trump two point
zero jd Vance is who he's obviously thinking here. So
this is a political move, all right, political move, straight
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up political move by Gavin Newsom to say this is
a political war. You can watch this happen on TV
if you're watching MSNBC, for example, it was said earlier today.
Any Democrat fighting against Trump, it always accrues to their benefit,
is what one of.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The guys said on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
They're not thinking about human life, protecting property, They're only
thinking about the politics.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Take a wish.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
Newsom has been recently trying to move a bit towards
the middle. You know, he's gone on some writing podcasts,
He's made some statements about trans athletes that really royals
a lot of the Democratic base. Does this help him
get Democrats back on side as some have kind of
grown frustration with the way he's been moving and speaking
in recent months.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
Well as a political matter alone, I mean putting aside
the more im morality of the authoritat nature of stuff
that we're seeing as a political matter for sure. You know,
any Democrat showing a fight against Donald Trump, it always
accrues to the benefit of those, whether you know Jasmincrockett, AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Gavin Newsom, whoever it might be. If you
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are demonstrating that you know, you have the courage, the
convictions of your and the confidence to assert that you
have a very different moral and values driven viewpoint of America,
one that is built around solidarity of all of us
and not picking on a up on the weakest and weakest.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Then yeah, I think that it's going to prove.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Him politically for sure, and we'll see how way that goes.
Whether you can become a president off of that, don't know,
but I think we're all looking for and wanting strong
leadership in this moment to take on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I mean you hear this.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Any Democrat fighting against Trump, it always occurs to a
cruise to their benefit. So this is politics. This is
not about safety. They don't care people die, right like
they don't care. Baker also said on Trump and Newsome
trading insults. He says Trump operates better when he has
a putug enemy. He looks for people to contend with,
so they don't understand that there are people suffering in
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the streets.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
No, it's again all political.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Newsome and now it's on Pierre.
Speaker 9 (15:45):
To that point, Trump has been picking a fight with
Gavin Newsom for years, obviously probably because of his potential
presidential aspirations. But there's a bit of why are you
so obsessed with me?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Going on?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Here? You know, Trump is president, he's in the Oval office,
he is tom limited. Why does he care so much
about who potentially runs in twenty twenty eight, and should
that tell us something?
Speaker 11 (16:07):
Well, Trump always operates better when he has an enemy, right,
Politically speaking, he is most comfortable.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
When he has somebody to go after.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
And at the moment, he doesn't have a challenger, right,
he doesn't have a you know, another candidate to go after,
and so he's looking for people.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
To contend with. He likes to mix it up in
some ways.
Speaker 11 (16:25):
Gavin Newsom is an obvious, you know, antagonist. He's the
head of the largest state in the country.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
He's the head of a state that.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Is seen as an example of liberal America, which Trump
is targeting in so many ways through academia, through law firms,
through you know, the news organizations, and so on.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
You know, Trump believes that he, or.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
At least is given the idea that he is deconstructing
the liberal state as it were, as it's developed over
the last number of generations. And in some ways, Gavin
Newsom represents that he represents the state that represents that.
It's also you know, Newsom is a pugilist as well.
He has some of the Trumpian qualities. He's willing to
get out there and mix it up himself.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
He doesn't mind it goes scrap politically.
Speaker 11 (17:04):
I think he likes being the one who will take
on Donald Trump and being the one person that Trump
seems most eager to fight with.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
This is again how little they care about law enforcement
or human life power. The Future is now calling Congress
to investigate the validity of former President Joe Biden's signatures. Now,
a pro energy group is renewing their call now for
this investigation into over half a dozen Biden administration executive
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actions specifically related to climate that it believes should be
deemed Nolan void due to them being signed by an
Auto Pin without any public comment at all from the
former President Joe Biden, confirming his knowledge of even what
was happening. They reviewed eight by an executive orders that
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it says were signignificant shifts in domestic energy policy, and
they said it found no evidence of the present speaking
about any of these eight publicly, raising major concerns that
the orders were signed by auto Pen and that he
was not even aware that they were going to become
executive action, saying quote, these are not obscure bureaucratic memos,
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these were fundamental shifts in American energy policy, yet not
once did Joe Biden speak about them publicly. That's what
Daniel Turner, the founder executive director of Power for the Future,
said in an interview. Now the executive order is reviewed
by Power of the Future. Included an Arctic drilling ban
in twenty twenty three, also a twenty twenty one executive
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order committing the federal government to quote net zero admissions
by twenty fifty and an executive order mandating quote clean
energy AI centers and an offshore drilling ban executive order
that Joe Biden, in theory, signed before leaving office in
twenty twenty five, They said, finding no evidence of Biden
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publicly speaking about the executive orders on climate, they then
sent a letter this week to the DOJ, the EPADI,
and DOE, along with the House and Senate oversight committees,
calling for an investigation to determine who made these decisions,
who drafted the executive orders, and ultimately who signed them,
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since they believe it clearly wasn't Joe Biden. Quote in
light of the growing evidence that actions purportedly taken by
the former president may not have been approved or signed
by him, but instead by a small group of advisors
in his name, without his knowledge, or over his signature,
using an auto pen. The need for Congressional access to
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information has grown in importance with these revelations. The letter
to the GOP House Oversight Committee Chair James co states saying, quote,
Congress deserves to know how or whether these executive actions
were authorized and whether the former president was aware of
such orders before they were implemented by the federal bureaucracy.
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Were these actions taken on behalf of the president and
purporting to excuse authority undertaken with the president's knowledge an
approach question mark. It appears incumbent upon Congress to inquire
about all parties involved in these actions, who instructed them
to do what and when now. The president's auto pen
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has been a topic of conversation in Republican circles in
recent weeks and months, as questions continue about Biden's mental
acuity during his presidency, particularly the last few days when
they've come under scrutiny after the release of Jake Tapper
and Alex Thompson's book Original Sin. One of the things
that is very clear is now those of the White
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House are concerned that the President of the United States of
America may have been hijacked by a group of individuals
who had no authority or power to do what they
were doing. I want you to take a listen to this.
As Representative Jim Jordans shared his concerns about Biden's alleged
auto pen use and who was actually behind it.
Speaker 12 (21:20):
Chris preparing to blow the lid off the biggest political
cover up in American history as more troubling information emerges
about former President Joe Biden's mental decline. Now, according to
a brand new bombshell book, one insider made it clear
that there were account of five people running the country
and Biden was not one of them. So the question
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is obvious who was running the show? Well, according to
one cabinet secretary, it was Biden's aide who held all
the power. Now that book's co author is actually calling
out the undemocratic Biden white house.
Speaker 13 (21:55):
These aides were not even Senate confirmed aids. These are
a white House aids. These were unelecked people. And one
of the things that really think comes out and are
reporting here is that if you believe, and I think
a lot of these people do sincerely believe that Donald
Trump was and is an essential threat to democracy. You
can nationalize anything, including sometimes doing undemocratic things, which I
think is what this person is talking about.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
Heard a lot of that in my conversations with Lindy
Lee Maytime. Congress is also investigating that cover up. The Senate,
in fact, wants to talk with twenty eight top level
Biden officials, while the House has had to be looking
into unauthorized us of the auto pen by Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
When you sign a document that has legal implications, it
has to be signed perfectly. It can't be signed by
an autopin. So I think that if we can understand
more about the autopen and whether or not Joe Biden
authorized it, I think this could lead to a lot
of those executive orders being kicked out in court.
Speaker 12 (22:53):
James Comer speaking there with Jesse Waters. Maintime House Republicans
are also demanding to hear from Biden, doctor, and four
other White House officials in an effort to uncover the truth.
So joining us now is the Judiciary Committee Chair and
Ohio Congressman, the Great Jim Jordan Congressman.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Listen, this is a simple question.
Speaker 12 (23:13):
For you, What, if anything, can we expect to happen
in the wake of these House investigations into the Biden
cover up and the autopen use.
Speaker 14 (23:22):
Well, I don't know if there's an easy answer. I mean,
we'll see. I think Chairman Comer will probably lead this investigation.
We can look at the folks who were supposedly making
the decision. One thing we know for sure it wasn't
Joe Biden, So we can talk to these folks. My
guess is they'll try to assert some privilege if in
fact we.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Ever bring them in.
Speaker 14 (23:39):
But you're I think it's right in your lead there.
You talk about it's supposed to be people who put
their name on the ballot, who are elected by we,
the people who make the decision. It's not supposed to
be other folks who aren't elected or in this case
aren't even confirmed by the United States Senate. So we'll
dig into this. But I think the real culprit, of course,
is the media. And you mentioned that, But I mean,
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Jake Tapper made money tell us everything was fine. Now
he's making more money writing the book telling us no,
it wasn't fine. I think that's the real concern here,
is what the mainstream media got away with, or what
they thought they were getting away with the good news
is the American people figured it out on November fifth
and made sure President Trump was our next president.
Speaker 15 (24:18):
They sure did. Congressman, I want to stick on the
topic of Biden's autopen use. You know, specifically, we're hearing
that he used the autopend to sign executive orders right
issuing pardons. Senator Roger Marshall last night told us that
could be a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They didn't think.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
We understood, They didn't think we knew what was going on, but.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We did, and we're I'm especially especially concerned about the
people that he pardoned.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
And he was pardoning these folks even though they hadn't
been convicted of a crime. It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 15 (24:45):
Congressman, on that note, do you think those pardons are
executive orders? Are those void invalid?
Speaker 8 (24:52):
I think what you have.
Speaker 14 (24:53):
To demonstrate is that the folks who actually signed him,
or whoever did, or whether it was the autopin or
what's how Joe Biden didn't really give it the okay.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Now.
Speaker 14 (25:03):
I think if you get him in they'll probably say, well,
my boss told me it was fine, or we heard
that the President said it was fine.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
We got okay from whoever whoever we worked.
Speaker 14 (25:10):
For there in the way. I soon they'll do some
kind of some kind of rational, some kind of answer
like that. But again, you got to work through this
all we If we bring these folks in, you'll have
to ask them, you may have to even subpoena. And
then at some point when they come in, will they
assert some kind of privilege, executive privilege.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
That's all.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
That's all part of it. We'll just have to see.
Speaker 14 (25:28):
But as I said, I think I think the Oversight
Committee under Chairman Comer on the House side will probably
will probably lead this investigation.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
All right, So let's go back to the legal nature
of this and get down to the brass tax of
this subject of an auto pen number one, it's a
device that physically holds a pen in his programmed to
replicate a person's signature. The Justice Departments Office the Legal
Counsel determined in two thousand and five that the President's
permitted to use an autopen to sign bills into law,
(25:58):
and the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit
issued a ruling in February that said the absence of
a writing does not equate to proof that a commutation
did not occur.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Quote unquote now.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
In March, President Trump claimed that Biden's pardons of lawmakers
who served on the House Select Committee to investigate the
January sixth Capitol riot and others are quote void, alleging
that they had been signed via an autopen and that
Biden did not even know about them. Now, despite Trump's
concern over the validia Biden's pardons due the alleged use
(26:34):
of an autopen, conscidial scholars have said, well, this is
going to be a tough one in court and a
very high barred across to be able to get this undone.
Jonathan Turley put it this way on Fox, saying, quote
presidents are allowed to use the autopen and courts will
not presume a dead hand conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Now Power the Future's letter.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
References House Speaker Mike Johnson, who in January shared that
Biden and during a meeting, appeared to forget that he
signed an order to pause liquid national gas exports. A
report published by an arm of the Heritage Foundation also
claimed that the majority of official documents signed by Biden
were allegedly an auto pen signature, and there's a very
(27:18):
good chance the president didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
At all now.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
During the Biden administration, hundreds of billions of dollars were
funneled towards pet green projects while the American fossil fuels
industry was punished, and there is no evidence that Biden
ordered it, directed it, or even was aware it was
happening in his name. That is another big question that's
now being asked.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So do we deserve to know, yes, who.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Was signing the executive orders behind closed doors. It's a
great question where people paying for access, and the autopin
scandal is evidence that many of these executive orders, many
of them green executive orders, could number one very well
be invalid and the American people deserve to know it
(28:05):
should be thoroughly investigated by the Department of Justice. I
think it's clear that's a violation to trust the American
people and it could have been a great fraud done
on the American people in the name of the President
when he didn't even know it was actually happening. Make
sure you share this podcast with your family and friends,
(28:26):
put it up on social media wherever you are, and
we appreciate you listening every day.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We'll see you back here tomorrow.
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